1 00:00:00,666 --> 00:00:01,250 Happy that 2 00:00:01,250 --> 00:00:02,458 Bitcoin is at this point 3 00:00:02,458 --> 00:00:03,000 where like 4 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,041 this is an inevitable future. 5 00:00:05,041 --> 00:00:06,750 It is coming no matter what. 6 00:00:06,750 --> 00:00:07,375 No one can get 7 00:00:07,375 --> 00:00:08,125 in the way of it. 8 00:00:08,125 --> 00:00:08,750 And I think 9 00:00:08,750 --> 00:00:09,666 the next couple of years 10 00:00:09,666 --> 00:00:10,083 are going to be 11 00:00:10,083 --> 00:00:11,125 really exciting 12 00:00:11,125 --> 00:00:12,083 because we're going to see 13 00:00:12,083 --> 00:00:13,916 that really large actors 14 00:00:13,916 --> 00:00:15,666 start to use Bitcoin 15 00:00:15,666 --> 00:00:17,166 for the purposes 16 00:00:17,166 --> 00:00:18,500 it was designed for, 17 00:00:18,500 --> 00:00:19,500 and the same reason 18 00:00:19,500 --> 00:00:20,708 that all of us use 19 00:00:20,708 --> 00:00:22,041 it as individuals 20 00:00:22,041 --> 00:00:22,750 corruption will 21 00:00:22,750 --> 00:00:23,500 never get rid of. 22 00:00:23,500 --> 00:00:25,041 But at least we can level 23 00:00:25,041 --> 00:00:25,875 the playing field 24 00:00:25,875 --> 00:00:27,375 and make it a fair game. 25 00:00:27,375 --> 00:00:27,958 And you know, 26 00:00:27,958 --> 00:00:29,333 all the horrible things about 27 00:00:29,333 --> 00:00:30,958 mankind will always exist. 28 00:00:30,958 --> 00:00:32,333 But with Bitcoin 29 00:00:32,333 --> 00:00:33,083 at least 30 00:00:33,083 --> 00:00:35,125 the ledger is fair 31 00:00:35,125 --> 00:00:36,041 and trustworthy, 32 00:00:36,041 --> 00:00:37,041 so no one can 33 00:00:37,041 --> 00:00:38,000 cheat from that, 34 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:38,708 which is kind of 35 00:00:38,708 --> 00:00:40,375 the core of obviously 36 00:00:40,375 --> 00:00:41,458 everything we have. 37 00:00:41,458 --> 00:00:43,250 We fix things by making them 38 00:00:43,250 --> 00:00:44,875 less profitable, basically, 39 00:00:44,875 --> 00:00:47,000 which you make violence 40 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,250 and treating people 41 00:00:48,250 --> 00:00:49,500 less, less profitable 42 00:00:49,500 --> 00:00:50,250 because it's harder 43 00:00:50,250 --> 00:00:51,500 to take their stuff 44 00:00:51,500 --> 00:00:52,250 when it's in the 45 00:00:52,250 --> 00:00:53,125 head of the victim. 46 00:00:57,625 --> 00:00:58,666 Madex. 47 00:00:58,666 --> 00:00:59,625 Welcome to the 48 00:00:59,625 --> 00:01:01,000 Bitcoin Infinity Show. 49 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,958 Thank you for joining us. 50 00:01:02,958 --> 00:01:03,541 Thank you. 51 00:01:03,541 --> 00:01:05,666 Thank you for having me. 52 00:01:05,666 --> 00:01:06,041 It's great 53 00:01:06,041 --> 00:01:06,916 to have you here, man. 54 00:01:06,916 --> 00:01:09,250 It's not not very often 55 00:01:09,250 --> 00:01:11,208 we have artists, here. 56 00:01:11,208 --> 00:01:12,166 But you're 57 00:01:12,166 --> 00:01:13,250 not only an artist, 58 00:01:13,250 --> 00:01:14,208 you're also like, 59 00:01:14,208 --> 00:01:14,791 you were, 60 00:01:14,791 --> 00:01:17,083 a founder of Bull Bitcoin 61 00:01:17,083 --> 00:01:17,666 back in the day, 62 00:01:17,666 --> 00:01:18,708 if I'm not mistaken. 63 00:01:18,708 --> 00:01:20,125 Or at least in the very 64 00:01:20,125 --> 00:01:22,958 first wave of that company. 65 00:01:22,958 --> 00:01:25,250 Is that right? 66 00:01:25,250 --> 00:01:26,458 Yeah, yeah. 67 00:01:26,458 --> 00:01:28,583 Bull Bitcoin was Dave 68 00:01:28,583 --> 00:01:30,500 Bradley and, Francis Poole 69 00:01:30,500 --> 00:01:31,000 at bringing 70 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,333 together their resources 71 00:01:32,333 --> 00:01:32,791 and doing 72 00:01:32,791 --> 00:01:34,916 kind of a brand relaunch. 73 00:01:34,916 --> 00:01:36,041 And so I 74 00:01:36,041 --> 00:01:38,000 was responsible for, 75 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,416 helping 76 00:01:39,416 --> 00:01:41,291 launch the brand and create 77 00:01:41,291 --> 00:01:41,833 the bull 78 00:01:41,833 --> 00:01:42,583 created the bull 79 00:01:42,583 --> 00:01:45,583 Bitcoin brand over the last, 80 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:46,541 years. 81 00:01:46,541 --> 00:01:50,416 And, I say that like Francis 82 00:01:50,416 --> 00:01:50,958 and, 83 00:01:50,958 --> 00:01:52,375 the whole team at bull, 84 00:01:52,375 --> 00:01:53,250 they've built, like, 85 00:01:53,250 --> 00:01:55,250 a Ferrari engine. 86 00:01:55,250 --> 00:01:57,166 And, my role is that, 87 00:01:57,166 --> 00:01:58,500 I say 88 00:01:58,500 --> 00:01:59,416 the top of the engine 89 00:01:59,416 --> 00:02:00,458 has to be red, 90 00:02:00,458 --> 00:02:00,958 say, 91 00:02:00,958 --> 00:02:02,291 Ferrari across it, 92 00:02:02,291 --> 00:02:02,958 and there has to 93 00:02:02,958 --> 00:02:04,000 be glass over it 94 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:04,666 so you can look in 95 00:02:04,666 --> 00:02:05,541 and see the engine. 96 00:02:05,541 --> 00:02:08,583 So I just do do design work. 97 00:02:09,916 --> 00:02:11,541 And, fortunately, 98 00:02:11,541 --> 00:02:12,958 I'm very good at design. 99 00:02:12,958 --> 00:02:14,208 Unfortunately bull 100 00:02:14,208 --> 00:02:15,625 Bitcoin is extremely, 101 00:02:15,625 --> 00:02:16,958 that engineering 102 00:02:16,958 --> 00:02:18,250 and an extremely good 103 00:02:18,250 --> 00:02:19,291 bitcoin company. 104 00:02:19,291 --> 00:02:20,125 So, 105 00:02:20,125 --> 00:02:21,583 the two, 106 00:02:21,583 --> 00:02:22,958 skills just went together 107 00:02:22,958 --> 00:02:23,500 really well. 108 00:02:23,500 --> 00:02:25,000 And 109 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,791 yeah, I mean, it's it's 110 00:02:26,791 --> 00:02:28,625 one of the most based bitcoin 111 00:02:28,625 --> 00:02:29,708 companies on earth 112 00:02:29,708 --> 00:02:30,541 in my opinion. 113 00:02:30,541 --> 00:02:32,625 Like it has always been 114 00:02:32,625 --> 00:02:34,500 always say to them 115 00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:35,500 I mean yeah. 116 00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:37,250 Can you name a more based 117 00:02:37,250 --> 00:02:38,000 Bitcoin company. 118 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:38,750 Yeah that would be 119 00:02:38,750 --> 00:02:39,291 Lemon Escape 120 00:02:39,291 --> 00:02:40,083 Media wouldn't it. 121 00:02:40,083 --> 00:02:41,416 To look like that. Yeah. 122 00:02:41,416 --> 00:02:43,166 Other than that like 123 00:02:43,166 --> 00:02:44,958 but I know I shouldn't 124 00:02:44,958 --> 00:02:45,916 say even say that. 125 00:02:45,916 --> 00:02:48,541 I mean we're 126 00:02:48,541 --> 00:02:49,375 you're way ahead. 127 00:02:49,375 --> 00:02:52,375 The the logo is the, 128 00:02:52,375 --> 00:02:54,000 the coolest logo 129 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,000 in Bitcoin, too. 130 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,791 I think it's, 131 00:02:56,791 --> 00:02:57,416 so you had done 132 00:02:57,416 --> 00:02:58,875 fantastic work there. 133 00:02:58,875 --> 00:03:00,958 And, yeah, I think we 134 00:03:00,958 --> 00:03:03,666 we met back in 2019, in Riga 135 00:03:03,666 --> 00:03:04,875 for the first time, 136 00:03:04,875 --> 00:03:06,250 when the whole bitcoin bull 137 00:03:06,250 --> 00:03:06,916 bitcoin team 138 00:03:06,916 --> 00:03:08,208 was, was over in Riga. 139 00:03:08,208 --> 00:03:10,333 This is like the second 140 00:03:10,333 --> 00:03:11,000 both economy 141 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,291 bad year ever, right? 142 00:03:12,291 --> 00:03:13,833 I think so. 143 00:03:13,833 --> 00:03:15,250 And, yeah, 144 00:03:15,250 --> 00:03:16,541 I just had to go that year 145 00:03:16,541 --> 00:03:17,833 because I was so envious of, 146 00:03:17,833 --> 00:03:21,333 after the 2018 thing and I. 147 00:03:21,458 --> 00:03:22,708 Yeah, I saw people online, 148 00:03:22,708 --> 00:03:23,750 so it just had to be there. 149 00:03:23,750 --> 00:03:25,416 Turns out bull 150 00:03:25,416 --> 00:03:26,041 Bitcoin sent 151 00:03:26,041 --> 00:03:28,041 the whole team from Canada. 152 00:03:28,041 --> 00:03:28,666 Yeah. 153 00:03:28,666 --> 00:03:29,541 So how did you 154 00:03:29,541 --> 00:03:30,458 find that conference? 155 00:03:30,458 --> 00:03:31,166 What do you remember 156 00:03:31,166 --> 00:03:31,791 most from it? 157 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,125 That was 158 00:03:34,125 --> 00:03:35,666 I mean, it was awesome. 159 00:03:35,666 --> 00:03:36,708 What was really cool 160 00:03:36,708 --> 00:03:37,750 about that was, 161 00:03:37,750 --> 00:03:38,750 I guess 162 00:03:38,750 --> 00:03:39,916 around that time, like, 163 00:03:39,916 --> 00:03:41,708 maximalism was super early 164 00:03:41,708 --> 00:03:42,333 and, 165 00:03:42,333 --> 00:03:43,833 for Baltic Honey 166 00:03:43,833 --> 00:03:45,250 Badger to be Bitcoin 167 00:03:45,250 --> 00:03:46,750 only at that time. 168 00:03:46,750 --> 00:03:47,666 And, 169 00:03:47,666 --> 00:03:49,375 really pushing back 170 00:03:49,375 --> 00:03:50,708 against keeping 171 00:03:50,708 --> 00:03:51,791 all the kind of scammy 172 00:03:51,791 --> 00:03:53,875 crypto crap out, 173 00:03:53,875 --> 00:03:54,916 was pretty great. 174 00:03:54,916 --> 00:03:56,041 And, 175 00:03:56,041 --> 00:03:57,250 I mean, pretty much 176 00:03:57,250 --> 00:03:59,250 the entire attendance 177 00:03:59,250 --> 00:04:00,250 at in Riga, 178 00:04:00,250 --> 00:04:02,750 it's just really awesome 179 00:04:02,750 --> 00:04:04,166 to see everyone's journey 180 00:04:04,166 --> 00:04:06,208 since that point and how, 181 00:04:06,208 --> 00:04:09,166 everything has grown 182 00:04:09,166 --> 00:04:10,250 and, and expanded 183 00:04:10,250 --> 00:04:11,458 and the world 184 00:04:11,458 --> 00:04:12,416 that we're kind of 185 00:04:12,416 --> 00:04:13,875 in now and, 186 00:04:13,875 --> 00:04:14,833 I think that 187 00:04:14,833 --> 00:04:15,750 that's like that, 188 00:04:15,750 --> 00:04:16,625 that was the coolest 189 00:04:16,625 --> 00:04:18,166 part of it for me. 190 00:04:18,166 --> 00:04:19,833 Bull Bitcoin hosted, 191 00:04:19,833 --> 00:04:21,625 a dinner and a party, 192 00:04:21,625 --> 00:04:23,083 in the downtown. 193 00:04:23,083 --> 00:04:24,375 That was in this 194 00:04:24,375 --> 00:04:27,500 sort of medieval, basement. 195 00:04:28,125 --> 00:04:31,333 And it was, really 196 00:04:31,750 --> 00:04:33,166 pretty amazing dinner. 197 00:04:34,458 --> 00:04:35,500 Pretty much 198 00:04:35,500 --> 00:04:36,875 the, the top, 199 00:04:36,875 --> 00:04:38,500 top minds of Bitcoin. 200 00:04:38,500 --> 00:04:39,625 We're all there 201 00:04:39,625 --> 00:04:40,666 at that time. 202 00:04:40,666 --> 00:04:42,208 And, yeah, it was 203 00:04:42,208 --> 00:04:43,708 it was just 204 00:04:43,708 --> 00:04:44,083 it was 205 00:04:44,083 --> 00:04:45,500 I think the beginning 206 00:04:45,500 --> 00:04:46,750 of maximalism. 207 00:04:46,750 --> 00:04:47,958 Shortly after, 208 00:04:47,958 --> 00:04:51,208 Satan's book was out and, 209 00:04:51,208 --> 00:04:52,708 we were all kind 210 00:04:52,708 --> 00:04:54,500 of united and, 211 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:56,958 with, with the same idea as, 212 00:04:56,958 --> 00:04:57,916 you know, 213 00:04:57,916 --> 00:04:59,041 Bitcoin is money 214 00:04:59,041 --> 00:05:00,708 and everything else is crap. 215 00:05:00,708 --> 00:05:02,750 So now I remember in, 216 00:05:02,750 --> 00:05:03,541 first time 217 00:05:03,541 --> 00:05:04,291 I met Saifuddin 218 00:05:04,291 --> 00:05:05,125 there to, 219 00:05:05,125 --> 00:05:06,208 like so many is 220 00:05:06,208 --> 00:05:07,291 so many people that, 221 00:05:07,291 --> 00:05:09,250 I have exactly the same, 222 00:05:09,250 --> 00:05:10,125 same memory of it 223 00:05:10,125 --> 00:05:10,708 because, like, 224 00:05:10,708 --> 00:05:11,916 it's been so great to watch 225 00:05:11,916 --> 00:05:13,000 everyone's journey. 226 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:13,791 I mean, everyone 227 00:05:13,791 --> 00:05:14,958 in both bitcoin, 228 00:05:14,958 --> 00:05:18,458 Ben Sessions journey, Gigi, 229 00:05:19,458 --> 00:05:21,250 Giacomo, Max Hildebrand, 230 00:05:21,250 --> 00:05:23,000 there's a safety in himself. 231 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:23,958 Like, just seeing 232 00:05:23,958 --> 00:05:25,875 how how things have 233 00:05:25,875 --> 00:05:27,041 developed sense for 234 00:05:27,041 --> 00:05:28,250 for all of these characters 235 00:05:28,250 --> 00:05:30,833 that were mostly known 236 00:05:30,833 --> 00:05:32,291 only by the in-group 237 00:05:32,291 --> 00:05:33,666 on Twitter at the time 238 00:05:33,666 --> 00:05:34,791 and has 239 00:05:34,791 --> 00:05:36,583 since then, like, had 240 00:05:36,583 --> 00:05:38,291 these wonderful journeys 241 00:05:38,291 --> 00:05:39,458 in different directions. 242 00:05:39,458 --> 00:05:41,458 And it's, yeah, it brings 243 00:05:41,458 --> 00:05:42,000 brings back 244 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:42,750 a lot of memories, 245 00:05:42,750 --> 00:05:43,166 that thing. 246 00:05:43,166 --> 00:05:44,208 And I remember 247 00:05:44,208 --> 00:05:45,666 also, like you say, 248 00:05:45,666 --> 00:05:46,291 it was the birth 249 00:05:46,291 --> 00:05:47,208 of maximalism. 250 00:05:47,208 --> 00:05:48,500 And a specific thing 251 00:05:48,500 --> 00:05:50,833 I remember about that 252 00:05:50,833 --> 00:05:51,500 conference is 253 00:05:51,500 --> 00:05:52,791 that people were calling out 254 00:05:52,791 --> 00:05:53,500 chip corners, 255 00:05:53,500 --> 00:05:54,500 as you say, 256 00:05:54,500 --> 00:05:55,625 except for, 257 00:05:55,625 --> 00:05:57,250 Andreas Antonopoulos. 258 00:05:57,250 --> 00:05:58,750 Just written the 259 00:05:58,750 --> 00:05:59,833 that Ethereum book 260 00:05:59,833 --> 00:06:00,916 or was about to write 261 00:06:00,916 --> 00:06:02,000 that Ethereum book, 262 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,541 but every single attendee 263 00:06:03,541 --> 00:06:05,000 at the conference were orange 264 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,375 pilled by Andreas 265 00:06:06,375 --> 00:06:07,250 Antonopoulos, 266 00:06:07,250 --> 00:06:08,166 so no one dared 267 00:06:08,166 --> 00:06:09,083 to call him out for 268 00:06:09,083 --> 00:06:10,250 the Ethereum bullshit. 269 00:06:11,958 --> 00:06:12,708 That happened a 270 00:06:12,708 --> 00:06:13,750 little later, but. 271 00:06:13,750 --> 00:06:16,166 But I found that interesting. 272 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So. 273 00:06:18,458 --> 00:06:19,708 So 274 00:06:19,708 --> 00:06:20,875 what has your journey 275 00:06:20,875 --> 00:06:21,750 been since then? 276 00:06:21,750 --> 00:06:23,541 Like, can you give us a Tldr? 277 00:06:23,541 --> 00:06:24,708 Or maybe we should start 278 00:06:24,708 --> 00:06:26,041 from the beginning here, 279 00:06:26,041 --> 00:06:28,916 and give us the Tldr 280 00:06:28,916 --> 00:06:29,916 on Madex Like what? 281 00:06:29,916 --> 00:06:31,458 I know you and Luke 282 00:06:31,458 --> 00:06:32,166 are from 283 00:06:32,166 --> 00:06:34,125 similar, similar 284 00:06:34,125 --> 00:06:35,708 region of Camp Canada. 285 00:06:35,708 --> 00:06:37,125 I won't say 286 00:06:37,125 --> 00:06:39,041 too much more than that, but 287 00:06:39,041 --> 00:06:39,833 what's your journey? 288 00:06:39,833 --> 00:06:40,625 Just just 289 00:06:40,625 --> 00:06:42,958 a short version of it. 290 00:06:42,958 --> 00:06:45,791 Yeah, I guess short version. 291 00:06:45,791 --> 00:06:49,333 I was in school looking to, 292 00:06:49,333 --> 00:06:50,125 looking at building, 293 00:06:50,125 --> 00:06:51,000 like, banking 294 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,000 apps for automated 295 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,125 sort of savings platforms. 296 00:06:55,125 --> 00:06:56,250 And, 297 00:06:56,250 --> 00:06:57,291 that kind of brought me 298 00:06:57,291 --> 00:06:59,583 to looking at Bitcoin. 299 00:06:59,583 --> 00:07:03,041 And then over the years, 300 00:07:03,083 --> 00:07:04,166 found myself 301 00:07:04,166 --> 00:07:05,083 I like 302 00:07:05,083 --> 00:07:06,291 was focusing on 303 00:07:06,291 --> 00:07:07,875 what would be my best skill, 304 00:07:07,875 --> 00:07:09,166 which was art. 305 00:07:09,166 --> 00:07:10,250 And, 306 00:07:10,250 --> 00:07:11,833 I was eventually able 307 00:07:11,833 --> 00:07:13,333 to find sort of a merger 308 00:07:13,333 --> 00:07:14,708 between the two. 309 00:07:14,708 --> 00:07:19,000 And Bitcoin really gave 310 00:07:19,291 --> 00:07:20,916 a message to the art 311 00:07:20,916 --> 00:07:22,125 and the creative design work 312 00:07:22,125 --> 00:07:22,791 I was doing, 313 00:07:22,791 --> 00:07:23,833 and really sort 314 00:07:23,833 --> 00:07:25,291 of made it matter. 315 00:07:25,291 --> 00:07:27,750 I think before is just 316 00:07:27,750 --> 00:07:28,333 kind of like 317 00:07:29,291 --> 00:07:30,666 I was in pursuit of sort 318 00:07:30,666 --> 00:07:32,125 of design excellence, 319 00:07:32,125 --> 00:07:33,625 but it didn't have, 320 00:07:33,625 --> 00:07:35,666 a political backing 321 00:07:35,666 --> 00:07:37,041 or a philosophical 322 00:07:37,041 --> 00:07:38,333 backing, really. 323 00:07:38,333 --> 00:07:39,625 And so, 324 00:07:39,625 --> 00:07:41,083 along that journey, 325 00:07:41,083 --> 00:07:42,541 Bitcoin and art 326 00:07:42,541 --> 00:07:43,541 emerged, 327 00:07:43,541 --> 00:07:44,291 and then that kind of 328 00:07:44,291 --> 00:07:44,583 put me 329 00:07:44,583 --> 00:07:46,208 in the perfect position 330 00:07:46,208 --> 00:07:47,958 when Bitcoin 331 00:07:47,958 --> 00:07:49,166 was being created to 332 00:07:49,166 --> 00:07:53,750 come on and, really be able 333 00:07:53,750 --> 00:07:57,041 to exercise my skills 334 00:07:57,041 --> 00:07:58,458 and, and, and develop 335 00:07:58,458 --> 00:07:59,791 something new. 336 00:07:59,791 --> 00:08:01,166 And I kind of always knew 337 00:08:01,166 --> 00:08:03,458 I could create something, 338 00:08:03,458 --> 00:08:06,541 visually iconic and having 339 00:08:07,083 --> 00:08:08,958 meaningful philosophy 340 00:08:08,958 --> 00:08:10,666 to, to back that, 341 00:08:10,666 --> 00:08:11,458 just made it 342 00:08:11,458 --> 00:08:12,250 that much better. 343 00:08:12,250 --> 00:08:16,125 So, and since, 344 00:08:16,125 --> 00:08:17,541 since Riga, 345 00:08:17,541 --> 00:08:18,708 I've just been working on 346 00:08:18,708 --> 00:08:20,250 that same sort of goal, 347 00:08:20,250 --> 00:08:22,208 building out the art project, 348 00:08:22,208 --> 00:08:24,166 sending Bitcoin signal, 349 00:08:24,166 --> 00:08:26,083 doing installations, 350 00:08:26,083 --> 00:08:29,708 showing up and events and, 351 00:08:29,708 --> 00:08:31,458 also pushing bull bitcoin 352 00:08:31,458 --> 00:08:33,166 and ensuring that 353 00:08:33,166 --> 00:08:34,625 bull bitcoin is well known 354 00:08:34,625 --> 00:08:35,791 and well recognized 355 00:08:35,791 --> 00:08:36,958 and that the 356 00:08:36,958 --> 00:08:38,208 the talent 357 00:08:38,208 --> 00:08:39,041 that we have 358 00:08:39,041 --> 00:08:40,125 in the bitcoin space 359 00:08:40,125 --> 00:08:42,041 and the industry 360 00:08:42,041 --> 00:08:43,125 sort of standard 361 00:08:43,125 --> 00:08:44,666 setting technology 362 00:08:44,666 --> 00:08:45,541 that we're developing 363 00:08:45,541 --> 00:08:48,000 at bull gets, 364 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,250 shown and promoted 365 00:08:49,250 --> 00:08:50,583 and in a way 366 00:08:50,583 --> 00:08:51,375 that 367 00:08:51,375 --> 00:08:54,375 is as cool as the tech is. 368 00:08:54,708 --> 00:08:55,708 And yeah, 369 00:08:55,708 --> 00:08:57,291 I've been busy working away 370 00:08:57,291 --> 00:08:58,875 on that since, since, 371 00:08:58,875 --> 00:09:00,333 since Riga. 372 00:09:00,333 --> 00:09:01,250 And I think it's 373 00:09:01,250 --> 00:09:03,750 going, really well. 374 00:09:04,875 --> 00:09:05,916 Well, bulls 375 00:09:05,916 --> 00:09:07,416 expanding internationally. 376 00:09:07,416 --> 00:09:08,708 We're live in Europe now, 377 00:09:08,708 --> 00:09:10,625 so we can onboard Europeans 378 00:09:10,625 --> 00:09:11,125 to the bull 379 00:09:11,125 --> 00:09:12,208 bitcoin experience, 380 00:09:12,208 --> 00:09:14,083 which is extremely exciting. 381 00:09:14,083 --> 00:09:15,208 And we've been running 382 00:09:15,208 --> 00:09:16,125 in Costa Rica 383 00:09:16,125 --> 00:09:19,250 for quite a while now and, 384 00:09:19,250 --> 00:09:20,791 have a really good 385 00:09:20,791 --> 00:09:21,916 sort of grassroots 386 00:09:21,916 --> 00:09:22,875 Bitcoin economy 387 00:09:22,875 --> 00:09:24,458 growing up there. 388 00:09:24,458 --> 00:09:25,875 And I think all of that 389 00:09:25,875 --> 00:09:27,250 was just made possible 390 00:09:27,250 --> 00:09:28,166 by the, 391 00:09:28,166 --> 00:09:29,666 combination 392 00:09:29,666 --> 00:09:31,666 of just an excellent 393 00:09:31,666 --> 00:09:33,041 an excellent product, 394 00:09:33,041 --> 00:09:35,458 extremely good engineering, 395 00:09:35,458 --> 00:09:37,166 really understanding 396 00:09:37,166 --> 00:09:37,791 Bitcoin, 397 00:09:37,791 --> 00:09:39,791 the needs of bitcoiners, 398 00:09:39,791 --> 00:09:42,583 and, 399 00:09:42,583 --> 00:09:43,541 yeah, it's it's 400 00:09:43,541 --> 00:09:45,166 just going extremely well. 401 00:09:45,166 --> 00:09:46,166 And then at the same time, 402 00:09:46,166 --> 00:09:46,666 I'm pushing 403 00:09:46,666 --> 00:09:47,708 mate X in order 404 00:09:47,708 --> 00:09:49,500 to just bring more 405 00:09:49,500 --> 00:09:50,958 talent into the space 406 00:09:50,958 --> 00:09:51,875 and bring 407 00:09:51,875 --> 00:09:52,750 more creatives 408 00:09:52,750 --> 00:09:53,666 into the space. 409 00:09:53,666 --> 00:09:56,375 And I think that the, 410 00:09:56,375 --> 00:09:59,416 after the, technology being 411 00:10:00,041 --> 00:10:01,583 being as good 412 00:10:01,583 --> 00:10:01,791 as it 413 00:10:01,791 --> 00:10:02,750 possibly can be 414 00:10:02,750 --> 00:10:04,291 and the resources available 415 00:10:04,291 --> 00:10:06,291 to us, as good as it can be, 416 00:10:06,291 --> 00:10:07,250 the next thing we need 417 00:10:07,250 --> 00:10:10,375 is like very big signal 418 00:10:10,375 --> 00:10:11,291 into the world. 419 00:10:11,291 --> 00:10:12,500 And, 420 00:10:12,500 --> 00:10:13,750 to make Bitcoin 421 00:10:13,750 --> 00:10:15,291 as attractive as possible 422 00:10:15,291 --> 00:10:16,291 to all the 423 00:10:16,291 --> 00:10:17,500 talent that's out there. 424 00:10:18,833 --> 00:10:19,875 Yeah, it's super cool. 425 00:10:19,875 --> 00:10:21,916 And, 426 00:10:21,916 --> 00:10:22,958 you know, 427 00:10:22,958 --> 00:10:24,500 back to a conference 428 00:10:24,500 --> 00:10:25,750 that you, you designed, 429 00:10:25,750 --> 00:10:26,708 like, had 430 00:10:26,708 --> 00:10:28,125 at least half of, 431 00:10:28,125 --> 00:10:30,250 BTC Prague this year, right? 432 00:10:30,250 --> 00:10:32,958 Or the bar there and, like, 433 00:10:32,958 --> 00:10:34,000 you were some, 434 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,500 some type of lead designer. 435 00:10:35,500 --> 00:10:36,166 How did that 436 00:10:36,166 --> 00:10:37,750 whole thing happen? 437 00:10:37,750 --> 00:10:38,750 Yeah, that 438 00:10:38,750 --> 00:10:39,916 that was 439 00:10:39,916 --> 00:10:41,000 the coolest thing 440 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,166 I've ever done. 441 00:10:42,166 --> 00:10:44,875 I think in terms of 442 00:10:44,875 --> 00:10:47,000 being able to build a space. 443 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,708 And, 444 00:10:48,708 --> 00:10:51,291 I was just, approached by, 445 00:10:51,291 --> 00:10:52,875 the brothers running, 446 00:10:52,875 --> 00:10:55,125 running the event, and, 447 00:10:55,125 --> 00:10:56,375 they had this space 448 00:10:56,375 --> 00:10:58,250 and they didn't really quite 449 00:10:58,250 --> 00:10:59,291 know what to do with it. 450 00:10:59,291 --> 00:11:00,791 And, 451 00:11:00,791 --> 00:11:03,375 they wanted to have art 452 00:11:03,375 --> 00:11:04,875 play a role in the event. 453 00:11:04,875 --> 00:11:05,958 And so 454 00:11:05,958 --> 00:11:08,958 I got some pretty kind of 455 00:11:09,250 --> 00:11:11,875 free, free rein to just 456 00:11:11,875 --> 00:11:14,208 do some create creation. And, 457 00:11:15,541 --> 00:11:17,000 I was able to pull 458 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,166 together like a really, 459 00:11:18,166 --> 00:11:19,333 I think, an 460 00:11:19,333 --> 00:11:21,041 extremely awesome space. 461 00:11:21,041 --> 00:11:22,458 The only mistake I made was 462 00:11:22,458 --> 00:11:23,666 I didn't have my own film 463 00:11:23,666 --> 00:11:24,250 crew there 464 00:11:24,250 --> 00:11:25,125 to really be 465 00:11:25,125 --> 00:11:26,541 able to capture it. 466 00:11:26,541 --> 00:11:28,875 I knew that BTC 467 00:11:28,875 --> 00:11:30,375 Prague had like a huge film 468 00:11:30,375 --> 00:11:30,916 team there, 469 00:11:30,916 --> 00:11:32,875 so I didn't silly, 470 00:11:32,875 --> 00:11:33,625 I didn't think to 471 00:11:33,625 --> 00:11:35,125 bring kind of my own guy 472 00:11:35,125 --> 00:11:35,625 and then, 473 00:11:35,625 --> 00:11:36,791 obviously 474 00:11:36,791 --> 00:11:37,625 I didn't realize, 475 00:11:37,625 --> 00:11:39,625 like the scale of the event 476 00:11:39,625 --> 00:11:42,625 and how giant it was. 477 00:11:42,750 --> 00:11:44,333 So I'm planning 478 00:11:44,333 --> 00:11:45,500 to be 479 00:11:45,500 --> 00:11:47,958 doing it again, in June 480 00:11:47,958 --> 00:11:49,958 this year for 2025, 481 00:11:49,958 --> 00:11:51,291 and it should be 482 00:11:51,291 --> 00:11:52,375 on the same level. 483 00:11:52,375 --> 00:11:54,416 And, I'm, I'm 484 00:11:54,416 --> 00:11:55,000 definitely going to be 485 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,750 bringing a film crew in 486 00:11:56,750 --> 00:11:58,333 for anyone who can't make it, 487 00:11:58,333 --> 00:11:59,833 but I strongly advise 488 00:11:59,833 --> 00:12:00,500 getting a ticket 489 00:12:00,500 --> 00:12:02,333 to BTC Prague 490 00:12:02,333 --> 00:12:04,500 to see what I'm up to, 491 00:12:04,500 --> 00:12:05,125 because I think 492 00:12:05,125 --> 00:12:06,166 it'll be pretty cool. 493 00:12:06,166 --> 00:12:07,833 And already last year 494 00:12:07,833 --> 00:12:09,333 it was awesome. 495 00:12:09,333 --> 00:12:11,750 Specifically the neons. 496 00:12:11,750 --> 00:12:12,833 I was really happy with. 497 00:12:12,833 --> 00:12:15,000 I got, giant 498 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,750 eight eight by four foot 499 00:12:16,750 --> 00:12:17,750 neon sign 500 00:12:17,750 --> 00:12:18,708 that just had, 501 00:12:18,708 --> 00:12:22,416 the Ayn Rand, quote on it 502 00:12:22,416 --> 00:12:23,625 that I swear by my life 503 00:12:23,625 --> 00:12:25,458 and my love of it, quote. 504 00:12:25,458 --> 00:12:27,250 And, a couple other 505 00:12:27,250 --> 00:12:28,625 light installations 506 00:12:28,625 --> 00:12:29,750 that were really cool. 507 00:12:29,750 --> 00:12:30,875 And, yeah, 508 00:12:30,875 --> 00:12:31,541 it was really great 509 00:12:31,541 --> 00:12:32,291 to get that kind 510 00:12:32,291 --> 00:12:33,458 of support from BTC 511 00:12:33,458 --> 00:12:35,500 Prague because, 512 00:12:36,625 --> 00:12:38,791 many 513 00:12:38,791 --> 00:12:40,125 they are just 514 00:12:40,125 --> 00:12:41,291 the biggest bitcoin 515 00:12:41,291 --> 00:12:42,666 only kind 516 00:12:42,666 --> 00:12:44,500 of maximalist conference. 517 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:47,083 And they have the resources 518 00:12:47,083 --> 00:12:47,583 to be able 519 00:12:47,583 --> 00:12:48,208 to make like 520 00:12:48,208 --> 00:12:49,250 really cool ideas 521 00:12:49,250 --> 00:12:51,458 come into existence. 522 00:12:51,458 --> 00:12:53,000 Versus 523 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:53,833 I guess, 524 00:12:53,833 --> 00:12:54,875 the next closest thing 525 00:12:54,875 --> 00:12:56,500 to them is, 526 00:12:56,500 --> 00:12:57,583 Bitcoin magazine, 527 00:12:57,583 --> 00:13:00,125 which kind of cares about 528 00:13:00,125 --> 00:13:01,125 shilling crap 529 00:13:01,125 --> 00:13:01,833 and that 530 00:13:01,833 --> 00:13:02,625 they don't really have 531 00:13:02,625 --> 00:13:03,208 the same sort 532 00:13:03,208 --> 00:13:04,333 of ethical standards 533 00:13:04,333 --> 00:13:04,916 that that 534 00:13:04,916 --> 00:13:05,625 BTC Prague 535 00:13:05,625 --> 00:13:06,791 does for the event. 536 00:13:06,791 --> 00:13:08,083 And also just the quality 537 00:13:08,083 --> 00:13:09,583 standards like BTC 538 00:13:09,583 --> 00:13:10,458 Prague was 539 00:13:10,458 --> 00:13:12,166 the highest quality event 540 00:13:12,166 --> 00:13:14,041 that I've ever been to. 541 00:13:14,041 --> 00:13:15,375 Even 542 00:13:15,375 --> 00:13:16,625 just seeing as like for, 543 00:13:16,625 --> 00:13:17,833 for the VIP ticket 544 00:13:17,833 --> 00:13:19,125 holders, there was like 545 00:13:19,125 --> 00:13:20,958 Michelin star food. 546 00:13:20,958 --> 00:13:22,333 It was excellent. 547 00:13:22,333 --> 00:13:23,458 Like everything 548 00:13:23,458 --> 00:13:24,333 that was available 549 00:13:24,333 --> 00:13:25,208 was excellent. 550 00:13:25,208 --> 00:13:26,208 And I think like 551 00:13:26,208 --> 00:13:27,500 the quality of the content 552 00:13:27,500 --> 00:13:28,958 and the signal there was it 553 00:13:28,958 --> 00:13:30,000 extremely good. 554 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,458 So I was really happy 555 00:13:31,458 --> 00:13:32,291 to be a part of it 556 00:13:32,291 --> 00:13:33,666 and kind of get their vote 557 00:13:33,666 --> 00:13:35,208 of confidence to 558 00:13:35,208 --> 00:13:37,041 go in and design some stuff. 559 00:13:37,041 --> 00:13:37,458 And I think 560 00:13:37,458 --> 00:13:38,916 it turned out really, really 561 00:13:38,916 --> 00:13:40,208 beautifully, really awesome. 562 00:13:41,208 --> 00:13:42,791 Now I, I totally agree. 563 00:13:42,791 --> 00:13:43,958 I mean, the, 564 00:13:43,958 --> 00:13:45,500 the way we usually rate 565 00:13:45,500 --> 00:13:47,791 Bitcoin conferences is by the 566 00:13:47,791 --> 00:13:48,375 that the most 567 00:13:48,375 --> 00:13:49,250 important metric 568 00:13:49,250 --> 00:13:51,375 is the signal to noise ratio. 569 00:13:51,375 --> 00:13:53,333 And the BTC Prague 570 00:13:53,333 --> 00:13:55,208 is almost 100% signal. 571 00:13:55,208 --> 00:13:56,500 And that goes for, 572 00:13:56,500 --> 00:13:57,208 I would say that 573 00:13:57,208 --> 00:13:58,541 the European conferences 574 00:13:58,541 --> 00:13:59,000 are ahead 575 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,041 of the American ones 576 00:14:00,041 --> 00:14:00,958 and the Asian ones 577 00:14:00,958 --> 00:14:01,583 here for sure, 578 00:14:01,583 --> 00:14:03,041 like with Atlantis, 579 00:14:03,041 --> 00:14:03,958 was of course 580 00:14:03,958 --> 00:14:05,250 high signal to noise. 581 00:14:05,250 --> 00:14:07,666 The BTC held will be too. 582 00:14:07,666 --> 00:14:08,250 And you know, 583 00:14:08,250 --> 00:14:09,375 we use code infinity 584 00:14:09,375 --> 00:14:10,625 for whatever 585 00:14:10,625 --> 00:14:12,583 percent off on all of them. 586 00:14:12,583 --> 00:14:14,000 And come to BTC Prague 587 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:14,791 and see us three 588 00:14:14,791 --> 00:14:16,583 and the bunch of other dorks. 589 00:14:16,583 --> 00:14:18,625 Anyway. 590 00:14:18,625 --> 00:14:19,125 Yeah. 591 00:14:19,125 --> 00:14:19,666 Where are we? 592 00:14:19,666 --> 00:14:20,625 Luke, help me out here. 593 00:14:20,625 --> 00:14:21,916 I thought of the joke 594 00:14:21,916 --> 00:14:22,500 and not the 595 00:14:22,500 --> 00:14:23,750 anything else reading, 596 00:14:23,750 --> 00:14:24,958 that happens. 597 00:14:24,958 --> 00:14:26,125 You know, I mean, 598 00:14:26,125 --> 00:14:27,708 I think Prague actually was. 599 00:14:27,708 --> 00:14:28,125 It was our 600 00:14:28,125 --> 00:14:30,250 first time meeting, but but, 601 00:14:30,250 --> 00:14:31,750 the first time 602 00:14:31,750 --> 00:14:33,416 I consciously came across 603 00:14:33,416 --> 00:14:34,000 your work 604 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,416 was when we were on Madeira. 605 00:14:35,416 --> 00:14:36,250 I'd seen the 606 00:14:36,250 --> 00:14:38,000 the logo before 607 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,000 a bunch, and I and 608 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,166 I, I'd never 609 00:14:40,166 --> 00:14:41,291 actually heard the story of, 610 00:14:41,291 --> 00:14:42,208 like, the, the logo 611 00:14:42,208 --> 00:14:42,750 and the branding 612 00:14:42,750 --> 00:14:43,208 and everything. 613 00:14:43,208 --> 00:14:44,625 So, you know, 614 00:14:44,625 --> 00:14:45,500 getting into the space, 615 00:14:45,500 --> 00:14:45,875 you don't know 616 00:14:45,875 --> 00:14:46,666 everyone immediately 617 00:14:46,666 --> 00:14:47,625 kind of thing. 618 00:14:47,625 --> 00:14:49,708 But I saw the, 619 00:14:49,708 --> 00:14:51,375 the, the logo and, and, 620 00:14:51,375 --> 00:14:52,583 what struck me about 621 00:14:52,583 --> 00:14:54,166 that was that this is the 622 00:14:54,166 --> 00:14:56,083 this is the manas rune for, 623 00:14:56,083 --> 00:14:58,666 for those into Old Norse 624 00:14:58,666 --> 00:14:59,583 and runes 625 00:14:59,583 --> 00:15:01,083 and stuff like that. 626 00:15:01,083 --> 00:15:01,833 Surprisingly, 627 00:15:01,833 --> 00:15:02,833 out of the two of us, 628 00:15:02,833 --> 00:15:03,375 me and Canada, 629 00:15:03,375 --> 00:15:04,041 I'm more into that 630 00:15:04,041 --> 00:15:05,000 than he is. 631 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,000 And, and and it was Eric 632 00:15:08,375 --> 00:15:09,333 who was wearing the, 633 00:15:09,333 --> 00:15:11,083 wearing the, the hoodie 634 00:15:11,083 --> 00:15:11,791 and I said, 635 00:15:11,791 --> 00:15:13,250 hey, nice, nice settings. 636 00:15:13,250 --> 00:15:13,875 Like, yeah, man 637 00:15:13,875 --> 00:15:16,291 made X made x. Okay, cool. 638 00:15:16,291 --> 00:15:17,750 So so that was, 639 00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:18,375 that was the first thing. 640 00:15:18,375 --> 00:15:19,000 And you were supposed 641 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,291 to be on Madeira. Right? 642 00:15:20,291 --> 00:15:21,250 But it just didn't, 643 00:15:21,250 --> 00:15:23,458 it didn't work for reasons. 644 00:15:23,458 --> 00:15:24,458 Something like that. 645 00:15:24,458 --> 00:15:24,875 Yeah. 646 00:15:24,875 --> 00:15:25,666 I, I broke 647 00:15:25,666 --> 00:15:26,500 I broke my foot 648 00:15:26,500 --> 00:15:28,208 skiing like two days 649 00:15:28,208 --> 00:15:28,500 before 650 00:15:28,500 --> 00:15:29,750 I was supposed to leave 651 00:15:29,750 --> 00:15:30,541 and had to have, 652 00:15:30,541 --> 00:15:31,958 like, a major surgery on it, 653 00:15:31,958 --> 00:15:33,916 so I wasn't able to make it. 654 00:15:33,916 --> 00:15:34,250 Yeah, 655 00:15:34,250 --> 00:15:36,208 those Himalayas are really, 656 00:15:36,208 --> 00:15:37,291 really dangerous. 657 00:15:37,291 --> 00:15:38,458 You shouldn't do that. 658 00:15:38,458 --> 00:15:40,250 Devastating. Yeah. 659 00:15:41,500 --> 00:15:44,500 That's, That was a bad joke. 660 00:15:44,541 --> 00:15:45,916 No, no. 661 00:15:45,916 --> 00:15:47,208 So, so, like 662 00:15:47,208 --> 00:15:48,083 like then 663 00:15:48,083 --> 00:15:49,291 and then I got the story 664 00:15:49,291 --> 00:15:50,833 that, that you put this 665 00:15:50,833 --> 00:15:51,958 all together, but, 666 00:15:51,958 --> 00:15:52,916 I think one of the, 667 00:15:52,916 --> 00:15:53,625 one of the first things 668 00:15:53,625 --> 00:15:55,166 I was interested in is like, 669 00:15:55,166 --> 00:15:58,000 what, what what was this? 670 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,791 The inspiration for this 671 00:15:59,791 --> 00:16:00,708 being your logo. 672 00:16:00,708 --> 00:16:02,750 This, this rune 673 00:16:02,750 --> 00:16:03,500 kind of thing here. 674 00:16:03,500 --> 00:16:04,208 And how does that tie 675 00:16:04,208 --> 00:16:04,750 into kind 676 00:16:04,750 --> 00:16:06,375 of your identity 677 00:16:06,375 --> 00:16:08,750 as an artist? 678 00:16:08,750 --> 00:16:11,750 Well, I think it's the 679 00:16:12,666 --> 00:16:14,541 the main, 680 00:16:14,541 --> 00:16:15,416 the main thing 681 00:16:15,416 --> 00:16:17,208 that our whole civilization 682 00:16:17,208 --> 00:16:17,875 has gotten away 683 00:16:17,875 --> 00:16:18,708 from is like, 684 00:16:18,708 --> 00:16:19,333 the power 685 00:16:19,333 --> 00:16:20,166 and the importance 686 00:16:20,166 --> 00:16:21,875 of the individual, 687 00:16:21,875 --> 00:16:24,041 and the man, as is 688 00:16:24,041 --> 00:16:26,166 a symbol of the individual. 689 00:16:26,166 --> 00:16:27,500 The self. 690 00:16:27,500 --> 00:16:30,208 And so it was the 691 00:16:30,208 --> 00:16:31,666 perfect thing to use 692 00:16:31,666 --> 00:16:33,041 to kind of anchor 693 00:16:33,041 --> 00:16:33,708 all the sort 694 00:16:33,708 --> 00:16:35,875 of objectivist ideologies 695 00:16:35,875 --> 00:16:37,416 and the capitalist ideologies 696 00:16:37,416 --> 00:16:38,000 and everything 697 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,375 that I kind of stand for to, 698 00:16:40,375 --> 00:16:44,125 where in contrast to, 699 00:16:44,166 --> 00:16:45,041 you know, 700 00:16:45,041 --> 00:16:47,208 every everyone else who's, 701 00:16:47,208 --> 00:16:48,125 who's, 702 00:16:48,125 --> 00:16:49,291 parading around the 703 00:16:49,291 --> 00:16:51,208 hammer and sickle and, 704 00:16:52,333 --> 00:16:53,291 is focused 705 00:16:53,291 --> 00:16:54,166 on all that sort 706 00:16:54,166 --> 00:16:55,541 of collectivist crap, 707 00:16:55,541 --> 00:16:57,041 especially in the art world. 708 00:16:57,041 --> 00:16:58,750 So I wanted a symbol 709 00:16:58,750 --> 00:17:00,458 that just really 710 00:17:00,458 --> 00:17:01,041 that already 711 00:17:01,041 --> 00:17:02,333 had historic meeting 712 00:17:02,333 --> 00:17:02,666 and was 713 00:17:02,666 --> 00:17:04,500 instantly recognizable, 714 00:17:04,500 --> 00:17:07,375 and that already aligned 715 00:17:07,375 --> 00:17:08,333 with everything 716 00:17:08,333 --> 00:17:09,333 that I was 717 00:17:09,333 --> 00:17:11,541 in pursuit of broadcasting. 718 00:17:11,541 --> 00:17:13,875 And the man as symbol 719 00:17:13,875 --> 00:17:15,791 just eat organically 720 00:17:15,791 --> 00:17:16,708 from the universe. 721 00:17:16,708 --> 00:17:17,416 Just happened 722 00:17:17,416 --> 00:17:18,500 to kind of line up 723 00:17:18,500 --> 00:17:19,083 perfectly 724 00:17:19,083 --> 00:17:21,083 with the brand made X, 725 00:17:21,083 --> 00:17:22,666 which had existed 726 00:17:22,666 --> 00:17:23,625 kind of long before 727 00:17:23,625 --> 00:17:26,000 I decided to use the man as, 728 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,583 so I discovered 729 00:17:27,583 --> 00:17:28,375 it just even in 730 00:17:28,375 --> 00:17:29,166 playing around, 731 00:17:29,166 --> 00:17:29,750 because I was trying 732 00:17:29,750 --> 00:17:30,333 to figure out, 733 00:17:30,333 --> 00:17:31,750 like a seagull. 734 00:17:31,750 --> 00:17:32,666 And then right away 735 00:17:32,666 --> 00:17:34,000 I drew it out and knew 736 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,083 it was the Viking ruined. 737 00:17:36,083 --> 00:17:39,041 And then I had sort of 738 00:17:39,041 --> 00:17:39,750 this profound 739 00:17:39,750 --> 00:17:41,416 realization of the kind 740 00:17:41,416 --> 00:17:43,458 of overlaying ideas. 741 00:17:43,458 --> 00:17:45,666 So it was perfect. 742 00:17:45,666 --> 00:17:46,500 And, 743 00:17:46,500 --> 00:17:47,041 I think 744 00:17:47,041 --> 00:17:48,166 wherever the man is, 745 00:17:48,166 --> 00:17:49,541 is naturally, 746 00:17:49,541 --> 00:17:50,708 for the most part, 747 00:17:50,708 --> 00:17:51,625 you know, 748 00:17:51,625 --> 00:17:52,291 lots of people 749 00:17:52,291 --> 00:17:53,083 try and corrupt 750 00:17:53,083 --> 00:17:54,708 and co-opt symbols, 751 00:17:54,708 --> 00:17:56,250 but, there, there 752 00:17:56,250 --> 00:17:57,916 is that sort of 753 00:17:57,916 --> 00:17:59,750 it does still kind of carry 754 00:17:59,750 --> 00:18:01,083 its ancient meaning. 755 00:18:01,083 --> 00:18:02,333 And so my goal is, mate 756 00:18:02,333 --> 00:18:03,791 X is just to kind of add 757 00:18:03,791 --> 00:18:04,833 and contribute to that 758 00:18:04,833 --> 00:18:06,083 and then also 759 00:18:06,083 --> 00:18:08,125 apply a lot of the, 760 00:18:09,125 --> 00:18:09,750 make, make 761 00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:11,250 the symbol synonymous 762 00:18:11,250 --> 00:18:14,875 with all the ideas 763 00:18:14,875 --> 00:18:16,708 that we really push forward 764 00:18:16,708 --> 00:18:17,791 in Bitcoin, 765 00:18:17,791 --> 00:18:19,750 and that are 766 00:18:19,750 --> 00:18:21,083 well explained and, 767 00:18:21,083 --> 00:18:22,375 and well described 768 00:18:22,375 --> 00:18:23,458 and well thought through 769 00:18:23,458 --> 00:18:26,458 in a lot of, Rand's texts. 770 00:18:26,875 --> 00:18:28,000 Oh, I absolutely love it. 771 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,875 And, well, my, 772 00:18:29,875 --> 00:18:31,750 my exposure to kind of this, 773 00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:33,708 this cultural side of things, 774 00:18:33,708 --> 00:18:34,250 maybe this 775 00:18:34,250 --> 00:18:35,291 is more of a story 776 00:18:35,291 --> 00:18:38,166 for another time, but but, 777 00:18:38,166 --> 00:18:39,083 but let's like, 778 00:18:39,083 --> 00:18:40,125 let's just say that 779 00:18:40,125 --> 00:18:41,916 that I've also been kind of 780 00:18:41,916 --> 00:18:45,041 into this, this, exploring, 781 00:18:45,041 --> 00:18:46,250 these older symbols 782 00:18:46,250 --> 00:18:47,166 and older traditions 783 00:18:47,166 --> 00:18:48,708 and things like that. 784 00:18:48,708 --> 00:18:49,416 And. 785 00:18:49,416 --> 00:18:50,541 Yeah, I mean, 786 00:18:50,541 --> 00:18:52,333 I just loved seeing its usage 787 00:18:52,333 --> 00:18:53,458 and then hearing you explain 788 00:18:53,458 --> 00:18:55,458 it, it's just right on, man. 789 00:18:55,458 --> 00:18:59,083 Like like, it's exactly the, 790 00:19:00,125 --> 00:19:01,708 it's such a good symbol 791 00:19:01,708 --> 00:19:02,375 for what it is. 792 00:19:02,375 --> 00:19:03,708 And thankfully, it's it's 793 00:19:03,708 --> 00:19:07,333 not one of these, more badly 794 00:19:07,791 --> 00:19:08,958 co-opted symbols 795 00:19:08,958 --> 00:19:12,250 in the sort of Viking Norse 796 00:19:12,250 --> 00:19:14,750 sphere, like the S symbol 797 00:19:14,750 --> 00:19:15,791 is, is, 798 00:19:15,791 --> 00:19:18,166 much more associated 799 00:19:18,166 --> 00:19:20,083 with fascism, for example. 800 00:19:20,083 --> 00:19:21,958 But, no. 801 00:19:21,958 --> 00:19:23,041 So, so basically 802 00:19:23,041 --> 00:19:24,250 it's it's like this, this, 803 00:19:25,416 --> 00:19:27,000 synchronicity, this, this 804 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:27,958 free symbol. 805 00:19:27,958 --> 00:19:29,333 It doesn't have any usage yet 806 00:19:29,333 --> 00:19:30,250 in the community, 807 00:19:30,250 --> 00:19:31,583 but it means exactly 808 00:19:31,583 --> 00:19:32,416 what you're saying 809 00:19:32,416 --> 00:19:33,291 it means already. 810 00:19:33,291 --> 00:19:34,458 And, now 811 00:19:34,458 --> 00:19:35,291 I just love, 812 00:19:35,291 --> 00:19:38,291 seeing it out there and, 813 00:19:38,791 --> 00:19:41,000 the the 814 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:41,500 the way 815 00:19:41,500 --> 00:19:42,333 you you 816 00:19:42,333 --> 00:19:43,333 put your work together 817 00:19:43,333 --> 00:19:43,833 as well, 818 00:19:43,833 --> 00:19:44,833 these compositions, 819 00:19:44,833 --> 00:19:45,458 they, they, 820 00:19:45,458 --> 00:19:46,875 they draw a lot of 821 00:19:46,875 --> 00:19:48,541 different kinds of symbolism. 822 00:19:48,541 --> 00:19:50,750 And, and I can always tell 823 00:19:50,750 --> 00:19:53,750 when something is a made ex. 824 00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:55,250 But but it's not like, 825 00:19:55,250 --> 00:19:56,000 it's not like, 826 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,500 you only make the same 827 00:19:58,500 --> 00:19:59,291 kind of thing. 828 00:19:59,291 --> 00:19:59,833 Like, it's, it's 829 00:19:59,833 --> 00:20:00,958 not so much like fractal 830 00:20:00,958 --> 00:20:02,125 who makes these amazing 831 00:20:02,125 --> 00:20:03,791 pieces, obviously, 832 00:20:03,791 --> 00:20:04,458 that every single 833 00:20:04,458 --> 00:20:05,208 one of them is amazing. 834 00:20:05,208 --> 00:20:06,541 But he's he said himself 835 00:20:06,541 --> 00:20:07,000 that he makes 836 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,208 a lot of circles. 837 00:20:08,208 --> 00:20:09,500 And you can kind of tell 838 00:20:09,500 --> 00:20:10,625 that it's that it's, 839 00:20:10,625 --> 00:20:11,500 that it is. 840 00:20:11,500 --> 00:20:12,291 It's his work. 841 00:20:12,291 --> 00:20:13,000 So, like, 842 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,125 what's your creative process 843 00:20:15,125 --> 00:20:16,125 in, in, 844 00:20:16,125 --> 00:20:17,083 putting your art together? 845 00:20:19,541 --> 00:20:19,875 Yeah. 846 00:20:19,875 --> 00:20:20,625 Well, the, 847 00:20:20,625 --> 00:20:21,750 the whole 848 00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:23,416 concept that I have behind 849 00:20:23,416 --> 00:20:24,041 the project 850 00:20:24,041 --> 00:20:25,833 is that it's sort of, 851 00:20:25,833 --> 00:20:27,833 emergent art. 852 00:20:27,833 --> 00:20:29,958 It was originally inspired 853 00:20:29,958 --> 00:20:31,458 by seeing kind 854 00:20:31,458 --> 00:20:34,583 of all these, billboards 855 00:20:34,583 --> 00:20:35,416 as I was traveling 856 00:20:35,416 --> 00:20:38,166 when I was younger that had, 857 00:20:38,166 --> 00:20:41,125 how they operate 858 00:20:41,125 --> 00:20:41,958 is what we pay. 859 00:20:41,958 --> 00:20:43,833 So the different ad posters 860 00:20:43,833 --> 00:20:45,041 will go up on them 861 00:20:45,041 --> 00:20:46,583 with wheat paste. 862 00:20:46,583 --> 00:20:48,041 And so 863 00:20:48,041 --> 00:20:49,666 they're glued to the wall 864 00:20:49,666 --> 00:20:51,458 and then the billboard area 865 00:20:51,458 --> 00:20:53,000 and then they're ripped down, 866 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,583 and then a new ad goes up 867 00:20:54,583 --> 00:20:56,041 and kind of over time 868 00:20:56,041 --> 00:20:57,000 when these billboards 869 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,791 get like quite old, 870 00:20:58,791 --> 00:20:59,375 there's sort of 871 00:20:59,375 --> 00:21:00,583 like a history 872 00:21:00,583 --> 00:21:01,250 of everything 873 00:21:01,250 --> 00:21:03,375 that's ever been on them. 874 00:21:03,375 --> 00:21:04,125 That just kind of 875 00:21:04,125 --> 00:21:06,041 naturally emerges 876 00:21:06,041 --> 00:21:07,041 out of, out of, 877 00:21:07,041 --> 00:21:08,416 like the constant cycling 878 00:21:08,416 --> 00:21:09,750 of the wheat paste. 879 00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:13,125 Ad so I kind of that became 880 00:21:13,125 --> 00:21:14,375 sort of the basis 881 00:21:14,375 --> 00:21:16,583 and I'm, I was trying to 882 00:21:16,583 --> 00:21:17,416 sort of recreate 883 00:21:17,416 --> 00:21:18,208 that process, 884 00:21:18,208 --> 00:21:20,041 but kind of more controlled. 885 00:21:20,041 --> 00:21:24,375 And so everything has tons 886 00:21:24,375 --> 00:21:26,333 and it's all extremely 887 00:21:26,333 --> 00:21:27,750 layered work. 888 00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:30,208 And there's kind of 889 00:21:30,208 --> 00:21:32,000 I try to keep 890 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,208 everything kind of in line 891 00:21:34,208 --> 00:21:34,875 in some way, 892 00:21:34,875 --> 00:21:36,583 but then also have like, 893 00:21:36,583 --> 00:21:39,416 just random noise, 894 00:21:39,416 --> 00:21:41,125 in them as well. 895 00:21:43,208 --> 00:21:45,166 And I like 896 00:21:45,166 --> 00:21:46,166 for the background, 897 00:21:46,166 --> 00:21:46,875 a lot of the text 898 00:21:46,875 --> 00:21:47,416 and stuff 899 00:21:47,416 --> 00:21:49,333 is all like in texts 900 00:21:49,333 --> 00:21:51,083 that I think are important. 901 00:21:51,083 --> 00:21:53,291 And that should be read. 902 00:21:53,291 --> 00:21:55,375 And it's sort of kind of it's 903 00:21:55,375 --> 00:21:59,833 like, crumb trail of, bit 904 00:21:59,833 --> 00:22:01,583 bits and pieces 905 00:22:01,583 --> 00:22:02,875 that need to be assembled 906 00:22:02,875 --> 00:22:04,916 to kind of become, 907 00:22:04,916 --> 00:22:06,250 someone who 908 00:22:06,250 --> 00:22:07,750 can, can really start 909 00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:08,500 to understand 910 00:22:08,500 --> 00:22:10,500 why hard money is important 911 00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:11,666 and why an incorruptible 912 00:22:11,666 --> 00:22:14,375 money system is is important. 913 00:22:14,375 --> 00:22:16,458 And why, you know, trade 914 00:22:16,458 --> 00:22:17,583 and the effort, 915 00:22:17,583 --> 00:22:21,000 the effort and work is the, 916 00:22:21,208 --> 00:22:22,458 the most important thing 917 00:22:22,458 --> 00:22:23,625 that you can kind of focus 918 00:22:23,625 --> 00:22:25,833 on, to derive meaning. 919 00:22:25,833 --> 00:22:27,291 And so, 920 00:22:27,291 --> 00:22:30,291 all the elements are just. 921 00:22:33,250 --> 00:22:35,041 I want to make it so that, 922 00:22:35,041 --> 00:22:36,708 every single piece 923 00:22:36,708 --> 00:22:37,125 that's out 924 00:22:37,125 --> 00:22:37,833 there is kind of 925 00:22:37,833 --> 00:22:39,708 an investigation, 926 00:22:39,708 --> 00:22:42,791 and sort of a reflection on 927 00:22:44,666 --> 00:22:45,708 the past, 928 00:22:45,708 --> 00:22:47,708 the kind of what's available, 929 00:22:47,708 --> 00:22:48,708 what's going on. 930 00:22:48,708 --> 00:22:49,791 And then also kind of a 931 00:22:49,791 --> 00:22:51,916 look into the future and, 932 00:22:51,916 --> 00:22:53,375 I guess I 933 00:22:53,375 --> 00:22:55,333 hope and I hope for, 934 00:22:55,333 --> 00:22:56,833 for what's coming and, 935 00:22:56,833 --> 00:22:57,916 and what can be changed 936 00:22:57,916 --> 00:22:58,500 in this world 937 00:22:58,500 --> 00:23:01,666 to stop the sort of mass 938 00:23:01,666 --> 00:23:03,041 corruption and mass 939 00:23:03,041 --> 00:23:05,416 mass theft. 940 00:23:05,416 --> 00:23:06,166 I mean, corruption 941 00:23:06,166 --> 00:23:07,000 will never get rid of, 942 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,666 but at least we can 943 00:23:08,666 --> 00:23:09,958 level the playing field 944 00:23:09,958 --> 00:23:11,416 and make it a fair game. 945 00:23:11,416 --> 00:23:12,041 And, you know, 946 00:23:12,041 --> 00:23:13,416 all the horrible things about 947 00:23:13,416 --> 00:23:15,041 mankind will always exist. 948 00:23:15,041 --> 00:23:18,041 But, with Bitcoin, at least 949 00:23:18,333 --> 00:23:20,333 the ledger is fair 950 00:23:20,333 --> 00:23:21,958 and trustworthy. 951 00:23:21,958 --> 00:23:24,333 So no one can cheat from 952 00:23:24,333 --> 00:23:25,000 from that, 953 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,166 which is kind of the core 954 00:23:26,166 --> 00:23:27,333 of obviously 955 00:23:27,333 --> 00:23:28,375 everything we have. 956 00:23:28,375 --> 00:23:31,458 So, yeah. 957 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,791 The answer is that 958 00:23:33,791 --> 00:23:34,500 no, the way 959 00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:35,875 we we fix things 960 00:23:35,875 --> 00:23:36,791 by making them 961 00:23:36,791 --> 00:23:37,916 less profitable, 962 00:23:37,916 --> 00:23:38,958 basically, 963 00:23:38,958 --> 00:23:41,625 which you make violence and 964 00:23:41,625 --> 00:23:43,166 and voting people 965 00:23:43,166 --> 00:23:44,416 less, less profitable 966 00:23:44,416 --> 00:23:45,166 because it's harder 967 00:23:45,166 --> 00:23:46,458 to take their stuff 968 00:23:46,458 --> 00:23:47,833 when it's in their heads. 969 00:23:47,833 --> 00:23:49,000 The in the victims, in 970 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,000 the head of the victim. 971 00:23:51,166 --> 00:23:52,125 Mr.. 972 00:23:52,125 --> 00:23:53,083 Hello there. 973 00:23:53,083 --> 00:23:54,416 And here's 974 00:23:54,416 --> 00:23:56,125 how to use code infinity 975 00:23:56,125 --> 00:23:56,833 like everywhere 976 00:23:56,833 --> 00:23:58,041 on the internet. 977 00:23:58,041 --> 00:23:58,958 For instance 978 00:23:58,958 --> 00:24:02,083 for the MicroStrategy Bitcoin 979 00:24:02,083 --> 00:24:04,916 for corporations, conference 980 00:24:04,916 --> 00:24:06,708 for BTC, frog for BTC. 981 00:24:06,708 --> 00:24:07,000 Hell, 982 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,916 we come to Helsinki in August 983 00:24:08,916 --> 00:24:10,791 and make sure T goes 984 00:24:10,791 --> 00:24:11,833 stamp seed 985 00:24:11,833 --> 00:24:13,250 with your three fantastic 986 00:24:13,250 --> 00:24:15,083 little C plates. 987 00:24:15,083 --> 00:24:16,583 You can get the infinite, 988 00:24:16,583 --> 00:24:18,750 the over 21 million, this, 989 00:24:18,750 --> 00:24:20,458 special plates. 990 00:24:20,458 --> 00:24:21,958 But we collaborated 991 00:24:21,958 --> 00:24:24,958 with them and, making, 992 00:24:25,250 --> 00:24:26,291 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--> 00:24:52,583 and get some stuff 1012 00:24:52,583 --> 00:24:53,208 and some books. 1013 00:24:54,416 --> 00:24:55,750 Great to have you here. 1014 00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:56,375 I love this 1015 00:24:56,375 --> 00:24:57,708 Objectivism angle. 1016 00:24:57,708 --> 00:24:59,291 And, 1017 00:24:59,291 --> 00:25:00,375 as you probably know, 1018 00:25:00,375 --> 00:25:01,125 I'm a deep 1019 00:25:01,125 --> 00:25:04,125 into Austrian economics and, 1020 00:25:04,333 --> 00:25:05,791 mazes. 1021 00:25:05,791 --> 00:25:07,416 Many people don't like mazes 1022 00:25:07,416 --> 00:25:08,333 because they think it's 1023 00:25:08,333 --> 00:25:08,958 too tedious 1024 00:25:08,958 --> 00:25:10,208 to read human action. 1025 00:25:10,208 --> 00:25:11,750 I read it three times, 1026 00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:13,750 and I love the writing in it. 1027 00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:14,958 I love these long, 1028 00:25:14,958 --> 00:25:16,750 complicated German 1029 00:25:16,750 --> 00:25:17,958 sounding sentences. 1030 00:25:17,958 --> 00:25:19,125 And, 1031 00:25:19,125 --> 00:25:20,208 one thing about him 1032 00:25:20,208 --> 00:25:21,750 and Objectivism and I 1033 00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:22,875 in Rand that I didn't know 1034 00:25:22,875 --> 00:25:23,416 before, 1035 00:25:23,416 --> 00:25:24,791 before deep diving into it, 1036 00:25:24,791 --> 00:25:26,833 is that they were friends. 1037 00:25:26,833 --> 00:25:27,208 They have 1038 00:25:27,208 --> 00:25:28,250 a similar background. 1039 00:25:28,250 --> 00:25:30,875 They both came from fled. 1040 00:25:30,875 --> 00:25:32,500 Fled the Russian invasion 1041 00:25:32,500 --> 00:25:34,125 or the Soviet invasion, 1042 00:25:34,125 --> 00:25:34,666 basically, 1043 00:25:34,666 --> 00:25:35,708 and fled to America 1044 00:25:35,708 --> 00:25:37,416 and got to know each other 1045 00:25:37,416 --> 00:25:38,083 over there. 1046 00:25:38,083 --> 00:25:41,541 And 1047 00:25:43,125 --> 00:25:44,750 of course, 1048 00:25:44,750 --> 00:25:46,625 Objectivism is 1049 00:25:46,625 --> 00:25:50,208 very much the philosophical, 1050 00:25:50,208 --> 00:25:51,666 branch of, of, 1051 00:25:51,666 --> 00:25:52,708 praxis, 1052 00:25:52,708 --> 00:25:53,750 logical thought and, 1053 00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:55,458 and Austrian economics, 1054 00:25:55,458 --> 00:25:56,500 basically every, 1055 00:25:56,500 --> 00:25:58,125 every man for himself 1056 00:25:58,125 --> 00:26:00,208 leads to more ethical results 1057 00:26:00,208 --> 00:26:01,208 in the end. 1058 00:26:01,208 --> 00:26:03,375 As long as you don't, like, 1059 00:26:03,375 --> 00:26:04,458 intrude on other people's, 1060 00:26:05,541 --> 00:26:07,125 property and, 1061 00:26:07,125 --> 00:26:10,125 it's, it's, 1062 00:26:12,708 --> 00:26:14,958 severely underappreciated, 1063 00:26:14,958 --> 00:26:15,458 I think. 1064 00:26:15,458 --> 00:26:16,458 And people should, 1065 00:26:16,458 --> 00:26:17,916 should look more into old, 1066 00:26:17,916 --> 00:26:20,625 Ayn Rand interviews and, 1067 00:26:20,625 --> 00:26:21,833 the into Objectivism 1068 00:26:21,833 --> 00:26:22,708 in general 1069 00:26:22,708 --> 00:26:23,625 because it's somewhat 1070 00:26:23,625 --> 00:26:24,416 forgotten 1071 00:26:24,416 --> 00:26:26,083 and it's such a great, 1072 00:26:26,083 --> 00:26:27,666 a great framework. 1073 00:26:27,666 --> 00:26:28,166 And so, 1074 00:26:28,166 --> 00:26:29,916 so what's, what's your 1075 00:26:29,916 --> 00:26:30,708 what's your take 1076 00:26:30,708 --> 00:26:32,166 on objectivism and like, 1077 00:26:32,166 --> 00:26:32,875 what's 1078 00:26:32,875 --> 00:26:33,916 how would you explain it 1079 00:26:33,916 --> 00:26:35,833 to people? 1080 00:26:35,833 --> 00:26:36,250 Yeah, 1081 00:26:36,250 --> 00:26:37,083 I think it's 1082 00:26:37,083 --> 00:26:38,500 just so important for people 1083 00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:40,625 to get into into the texts. 1084 00:26:40,625 --> 00:26:41,625 And like 1085 00:26:41,625 --> 00:26:42,791 I've had a lot of comments 1086 00:26:42,791 --> 00:26:43,916 because every 1087 00:26:43,916 --> 00:26:44,833 single piece of art 1088 00:26:44,833 --> 00:26:47,500 has like the John Galt quote 1089 00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:48,833 on the back of it, 1090 00:26:48,833 --> 00:26:50,125 and I broadcast 1091 00:26:50,125 --> 00:26:51,041 that quite heavily. 1092 00:26:51,041 --> 00:26:52,125 And so I've had some kind of 1093 00:26:52,125 --> 00:26:54,708 like, hardcore Rand people, 1094 00:26:54,708 --> 00:26:56,208 be upset with me 1095 00:26:56,208 --> 00:26:57,791 about, like, using it. 1096 00:26:57,791 --> 00:26:58,791 And I'm 1097 00:26:58,791 --> 00:26:59,708 what I've been trying to 1098 00:26:59,708 --> 00:27:00,958 communicate is like, 1099 00:27:00,958 --> 00:27:03,000 this is about broadcasting 1100 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,875 the signal and about making, 1101 00:27:06,875 --> 00:27:08,291 the work that she made 1102 00:27:08,291 --> 00:27:09,583 and the work of these other, 1103 00:27:09,583 --> 00:27:11,875 Austrian economics and, 1104 00:27:11,875 --> 00:27:13,083 all these people 1105 00:27:13,083 --> 00:27:14,041 who have 1106 00:27:14,041 --> 00:27:15,666 contributed literature 1107 00:27:15,666 --> 00:27:17,666 that is extremely useful 1108 00:27:17,666 --> 00:27:19,750 in sort of deriving, 1109 00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:21,708 happiness from, from, 1110 00:27:21,708 --> 00:27:23,083 the sort of 1111 00:27:23,083 --> 00:27:25,916 their pure essence of life, 1112 00:27:25,916 --> 00:27:27,166 and making all that stuff 1113 00:27:27,166 --> 00:27:28,500 really fucking cool 1114 00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:30,000 and really interesting 1115 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,291 and really 1116 00:27:31,291 --> 00:27:34,416 like bringing people into to 1117 00:27:34,583 --> 00:27:35,250 read it 1118 00:27:35,250 --> 00:27:36,166 and then sort of 1119 00:27:36,166 --> 00:27:38,000 make their own conclusions, 1120 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,666 which I think unless 1121 00:27:39,666 --> 00:27:41,583 you're like, completely, 1122 00:27:43,625 --> 00:27:46,125 totally washed by, 1123 00:27:46,125 --> 00:27:46,750 you know, 1124 00:27:46,750 --> 00:27:47,416 some of the 1125 00:27:47,416 --> 00:27:48,750 institutions out there 1126 00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:49,250 or some of the 1127 00:27:49,250 --> 00:27:52,333 totally radical, let's, 1128 00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:53,541 let's take everyone 1129 00:27:53,541 --> 00:27:54,416 else's stuff 1130 00:27:54,416 --> 00:27:56,833 sort of idea ideologies. 1131 00:27:56,833 --> 00:27:58,291 I think it all it's 1132 00:27:58,291 --> 00:27:59,625 just, like, very natural. 1133 00:27:59,625 --> 00:28:00,291 And in line 1134 00:28:00,291 --> 00:28:01,875 with human nature. 1135 00:28:01,875 --> 00:28:03,250 And if you don't 1136 00:28:03,250 --> 00:28:05,166 have that, like, 1137 00:28:05,166 --> 00:28:06,916 parasitic programing 1138 00:28:06,916 --> 00:28:08,250 slammed into you 1139 00:28:08,250 --> 00:28:10,000 from from some school 1140 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,458 somewhere, 1141 00:28:11,458 --> 00:28:12,041 that you'll, 1142 00:28:12,041 --> 00:28:13,541 you'll take to it 1143 00:28:13,541 --> 00:28:16,541 very, very easily. 1144 00:28:16,916 --> 00:28:19,333 So I, 1145 00:28:19,333 --> 00:28:22,666 I want to get as much of the, 1146 00:28:22,666 --> 00:28:24,250 the lines and the messages 1147 00:28:24,250 --> 00:28:25,000 and the pieces 1148 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:25,958 out as possible. 1149 00:28:25,958 --> 00:28:27,291 And I think that 1150 00:28:27,291 --> 00:28:28,666 what is an amazing way to do 1151 00:28:28,666 --> 00:28:30,583 that is to have it 1152 00:28:30,583 --> 00:28:31,958 like in the art 1153 00:28:31,958 --> 00:28:32,625 and then have 1154 00:28:32,625 --> 00:28:33,708 the art be cool, 1155 00:28:33,708 --> 00:28:35,333 and then kind of the whole 1156 00:28:35,333 --> 00:28:36,375 the companies and the 1157 00:28:36,375 --> 00:28:38,250 and and the works around it 1158 00:28:38,250 --> 00:28:38,791 be cool 1159 00:28:38,791 --> 00:28:39,958 and just make the whole thing 1160 00:28:39,958 --> 00:28:41,083 like very attractive 1161 00:28:41,083 --> 00:28:42,541 to get into. 1162 00:28:42,541 --> 00:28:45,000 And then, you know, my, I 1163 00:28:46,875 --> 00:28:48,125 shortest form 1164 00:28:48,125 --> 00:28:49,583 take on Objectivism 1165 00:28:49,583 --> 00:28:50,291 is that like, 1166 00:28:50,291 --> 00:28:50,708 I don't think 1167 00:28:50,708 --> 00:28:51,916 there's any argument 1168 00:28:51,916 --> 00:28:54,333 on like, 1169 00:28:54,333 --> 00:28:55,875 like what's beautiful or not. 1170 00:28:55,875 --> 00:28:57,916 I think that no matter 1171 00:28:57,916 --> 00:28:59,708 who or who you are 1172 00:28:59,708 --> 00:29:01,166 or where you come from, 1173 00:29:01,166 --> 00:29:02,166 you can 1174 00:29:02,166 --> 00:29:03,208 you'll admire 1175 00:29:03,208 --> 00:29:05,166 a cathedral over a 1176 00:29:05,166 --> 00:29:06,708 just solid, 1177 00:29:06,708 --> 00:29:07,541 soulless, 1178 00:29:07,541 --> 00:29:08,625 soul crushing 1179 00:29:08,625 --> 00:29:09,625 sort of concrete 1180 00:29:09,625 --> 00:29:11,500 monoliths building. 1181 00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:13,750 I think that that's just 1182 00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:14,750 it doesn't matter 1183 00:29:14,750 --> 00:29:15,708 what your background 1184 00:29:15,708 --> 00:29:17,541 is, you'll you'll appreciate, 1185 00:29:17,541 --> 00:29:21,250 you know, that that the 1186 00:29:21,250 --> 00:29:22,750 that the beauty is objective 1187 00:29:22,750 --> 00:29:23,541 and it's not, 1188 00:29:23,541 --> 00:29:25,666 I think that if, 1189 00:29:25,666 --> 00:29:26,750 if something requires 1190 00:29:26,750 --> 00:29:28,125 a long 1191 00:29:28,125 --> 00:29:30,041 write up explaining, like, 1192 00:29:30,041 --> 00:29:31,000 why it's good 1193 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,375 art, that it's 1194 00:29:32,375 --> 00:29:35,250 probably not good art, 1195 00:29:35,250 --> 00:29:37,541 or even worse, existing. 1196 00:29:37,541 --> 00:29:38,750 Really? 1197 00:29:38,750 --> 00:29:39,416 You mean so. 1198 00:29:39,416 --> 00:29:40,250 So that paper 1199 00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:41,291 telling you how to. 1200 00:29:41,291 --> 00:29:42,291 How you can. 1201 00:29:42,291 --> 00:29:43,125 How you are allowed 1202 00:29:43,125 --> 00:29:44,416 to replace the banana 1203 00:29:44,416 --> 00:29:45,833 with new duct tape when 1204 00:29:45,833 --> 00:29:47,208 when it goes moldy? 1205 00:29:48,541 --> 00:29:49,875 Doesn't explain why the 1206 00:29:49,875 --> 00:29:51,625 banana duct taped to a wall 1207 00:29:51,625 --> 00:29:53,625 is is beautiful. 1208 00:29:53,625 --> 00:29:55,333 Yeah. 1209 00:29:55,333 --> 00:29:57,166 That's not what 1210 00:29:57,166 --> 00:29:59,375 I mean. 1211 00:29:59,375 --> 00:30:00,208 No, it's. 1212 00:30:00,208 --> 00:30:02,500 You made a little video about 1213 00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:04,458 being uncompromising in 1214 00:30:04,458 --> 00:30:05,416 in doing your art 1215 00:30:05,416 --> 00:30:06,041 that I saw that 1216 00:30:06,041 --> 00:30:07,041 I really liked 1217 00:30:07,041 --> 00:30:08,000 about about 1218 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,208 these moral virtues. 1219 00:30:10,208 --> 00:30:11,791 Like, according to Ayn Rand, 1220 00:30:11,791 --> 00:30:12,375 like the 1221 00:30:12,375 --> 00:30:15,791 her Tldr on Objectivism is, 1222 00:30:15,791 --> 00:30:18,791 the concept of man as, heroic 1223 00:30:18,791 --> 00:30:19,875 being with his own 1224 00:30:19,875 --> 00:30:20,666 happiness, 1225 00:30:20,666 --> 00:30:21,875 as the moral purpose 1226 00:30:21,875 --> 00:30:22,750 of his life 1227 00:30:22,750 --> 00:30:24,083 with productive achievement 1228 00:30:24,083 --> 00:30:25,916 as his noblest activity 1229 00:30:25,916 --> 00:30:26,791 and reason 1230 00:30:26,791 --> 00:30:28,791 as his only absolute, 1231 00:30:28,791 --> 00:30:30,041 which which I like. 1232 00:30:30,041 --> 00:30:31,916 I, or I even love. 1233 00:30:31,916 --> 00:30:32,500 I think it's 1234 00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:35,916 it's a natural evolution of, 1235 00:30:36,416 --> 00:30:38,083 you know, 1236 00:30:38,083 --> 00:30:39,458 stoicism 1237 00:30:39,458 --> 00:30:40,375 and Marcus Aurelius. 1238 00:30:40,375 --> 00:30:41,625 It's very much, 1239 00:30:41,625 --> 00:30:43,500 very much in the same vein, 1240 00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:46,125 as so many of these, 1241 00:30:46,125 --> 00:30:47,166 philosophers have, 1242 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,041 thought before, 1243 00:30:51,041 --> 00:30:52,458 before, Rand. 1244 00:30:52,458 --> 00:30:54,166 But but that little video 1245 00:30:54,166 --> 00:30:55,375 is really, 1246 00:30:55,375 --> 00:30:57,250 like, encapsulate the whole 1247 00:30:57,250 --> 00:30:58,791 the whole ethics of the thing 1248 00:30:58,791 --> 00:31:00,416 and the whole, 1249 00:31:00,416 --> 00:31:01,833 like, never compromise 1250 00:31:01,833 --> 00:31:02,833 where they are. Integrity. 1251 00:31:02,833 --> 00:31:03,708 Never compromise 1252 00:31:03,708 --> 00:31:05,166 with your excellence. 1253 00:31:05,166 --> 00:31:06,291 If you can be excellent, 1254 00:31:06,291 --> 00:31:07,541 be excellent. Like. 1255 00:31:07,541 --> 00:31:09,041 Except if you can be Batman 1256 00:31:09,041 --> 00:31:09,708 and be Batman. 1257 00:31:09,708 --> 00:31:10,875 But, you know, 1258 00:31:10,875 --> 00:31:13,000 I liked it a lot. 1259 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,000 Yeah, I think that it's. 1260 00:31:17,625 --> 00:31:18,791 The whole fiat 1261 00:31:18,791 --> 00:31:20,666 system is set up in this way 1262 00:31:20,666 --> 00:31:21,500 that doesn't, 1263 00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:23,541 reward 1264 00:31:23,541 --> 00:31:26,000 the contributors properly. 1265 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,916 And so 1266 00:31:28,916 --> 00:31:31,250 it, like, even just something 1267 00:31:31,250 --> 00:31:34,250 simple like, 1268 00:31:34,750 --> 00:31:35,791 How money is supposed to 1269 00:31:35,791 --> 00:31:36,708 work is the people 1270 00:31:36,708 --> 00:31:38,125 who are the most productive 1271 00:31:38,125 --> 00:31:38,833 and contributing 1272 00:31:38,833 --> 00:31:40,458 the most to civilization 1273 00:31:40,458 --> 00:31:42,916 become the wealthiest. 1274 00:31:42,916 --> 00:31:43,916 And that's pretty like 1275 00:31:43,916 --> 00:31:45,291 that's pretty hardwired 1276 00:31:45,291 --> 00:31:47,333 into us. I think that's just 1277 00:31:48,416 --> 00:31:49,791 it's almost, 1278 00:31:49,791 --> 00:31:51,708 you know, in our instinct, 1279 00:31:51,708 --> 00:31:53,750 to understand that. 1280 00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:54,708 And right now 1281 00:31:54,708 --> 00:31:56,416 that system is broken. 1282 00:31:56,416 --> 00:31:57,833 And, 1283 00:31:57,833 --> 00:31:58,333 people 1284 00:31:58,333 --> 00:31:59,416 who are 1285 00:31:59,416 --> 00:32:01,333 the least productive, 1286 00:32:01,333 --> 00:32:04,333 have found a way to 1287 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,333 take the wealth from, 1288 00:32:07,333 --> 00:32:08,291 from producers 1289 00:32:08,291 --> 00:32:08,791 and from, 1290 00:32:08,791 --> 00:32:09,875 from the actual 1291 00:32:09,875 --> 00:32:10,916 kind of minds 1292 00:32:10,916 --> 00:32:12,250 that drive the world. 1293 00:32:12,250 --> 00:32:13,125 And so now we have 1294 00:32:13,125 --> 00:32:16,125 this sort of backwards, 1295 00:32:16,875 --> 00:32:18,666 that, this backwards thing 1296 00:32:18,666 --> 00:32:20,083 where we have, like, respect 1297 00:32:20,083 --> 00:32:21,541 for the investment banker, 1298 00:32:21,541 --> 00:32:22,500 but we don't have 1299 00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:23,958 respect for like, 1300 00:32:23,958 --> 00:32:24,791 the guy who runs 1301 00:32:24,791 --> 00:32:26,125 a plumbing company, 1302 00:32:26,125 --> 00:32:26,708 you know, 1303 00:32:26,708 --> 00:32:27,791 or a framing company 1304 00:32:27,791 --> 00:32:29,166 or something like that. 1305 00:32:29,166 --> 00:32:29,958 Even though, 1306 00:32:29,958 --> 00:32:30,666 like the, 1307 00:32:30,666 --> 00:32:32,291 the actual 1308 00:32:32,291 --> 00:32:33,875 contribution on one side 1309 00:32:33,875 --> 00:32:36,083 is much greater. 1310 00:32:36,083 --> 00:32:38,000 And 1311 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,333 like 1312 00:32:39,333 --> 00:32:42,041 all of that stuff being, 1313 00:32:42,041 --> 00:32:45,041 being reset and, and, 1314 00:32:45,041 --> 00:32:45,916 brought, 1315 00:32:45,916 --> 00:32:47,083 brought back 1316 00:32:47,083 --> 00:32:48,500 to where it should be will 1317 00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:50,041 then like put 1318 00:32:50,041 --> 00:32:51,583 all these extremely talented 1319 00:32:51,583 --> 00:32:53,083 people and talented creators 1320 00:32:53,083 --> 00:32:54,250 and talented designers 1321 00:32:54,250 --> 00:32:54,791 and builders 1322 00:32:54,791 --> 00:32:55,541 and engineers 1323 00:32:55,541 --> 00:32:56,125 kind of into 1324 00:32:56,125 --> 00:32:57,375 a much better place 1325 00:32:57,375 --> 00:32:59,208 for earnings. Right? 1326 00:32:59,208 --> 00:33:01,250 But currently, like it's 1327 00:33:01,250 --> 00:33:02,833 just not well respected. 1328 00:33:02,833 --> 00:33:04,875 And so really, 1329 00:33:04,875 --> 00:33:06,916 if you look at the world 1330 00:33:06,916 --> 00:33:09,916 right now, the fastest, 1331 00:33:10,333 --> 00:33:12,041 the fastest way to get ahead 1332 00:33:12,041 --> 00:33:13,833 and really like 1333 00:33:13,833 --> 00:33:15,500 in, in some in 1334 00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:16,333 some industries, 1335 00:33:16,333 --> 00:33:17,125 in some cases, 1336 00:33:17,125 --> 00:33:18,791 the only way to get ahead 1337 00:33:18,791 --> 00:33:22,416 is to, use treachery 1338 00:33:22,416 --> 00:33:24,916 and to be unethical 1339 00:33:24,916 --> 00:33:26,125 and to use deceit 1340 00:33:26,125 --> 00:33:27,458 and to 1341 00:33:27,458 --> 00:33:28,875 really kind of 1342 00:33:28,875 --> 00:33:30,916 do things in a wrong way. 1343 00:33:30,916 --> 00:33:33,166 And, that is 1344 00:33:33,166 --> 00:33:35,250 that is very tempting, 1345 00:33:35,250 --> 00:33:36,958 I think, to people who 1346 00:33:36,958 --> 00:33:38,208 especially when 1347 00:33:38,208 --> 00:33:40,458 on top of that, you have like 1348 00:33:40,458 --> 00:33:42,000 the currencies are failing 1349 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,750 and just the way of everyday 1350 00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:45,041 life and surviving 1351 00:33:45,041 --> 00:33:46,875 becoming heavier and heavier 1352 00:33:46,875 --> 00:33:47,750 and it being harder 1353 00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:48,791 and harder to 1354 00:33:48,791 --> 00:33:50,083 to get ahead by being 1355 00:33:50,083 --> 00:33:51,958 honest and being true. 1356 00:33:51,958 --> 00:33:54,041 So 1357 00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:57,958 many people are driven 1358 00:33:57,958 --> 00:33:58,750 into doing 1359 00:33:58,750 --> 00:34:00,250 like just stuff that I don't, 1360 00:34:00,250 --> 00:34:01,916 I don't think is right. 1361 00:34:01,916 --> 00:34:05,208 And, you know, thankfully 1362 00:34:06,791 --> 00:34:08,375 Bitcoin exists for, 1363 00:34:08,375 --> 00:34:08,791 you know, 1364 00:34:08,791 --> 00:34:09,791 some of us to kind of 1365 00:34:09,791 --> 00:34:10,708 help us along 1366 00:34:10,708 --> 00:34:12,250 and keep things strong. 1367 00:34:12,250 --> 00:34:13,458 Like, I mean, like if I, 1368 00:34:13,458 --> 00:34:13,875 if I, 1369 00:34:13,875 --> 00:34:15,708 if I wanted to be 1370 00:34:15,708 --> 00:34:17,291 a thousand times wealthier, 1371 00:34:17,291 --> 00:34:18,041 I could have easily 1372 00:34:18,041 --> 00:34:19,416 gone into, 1373 00:34:19,416 --> 00:34:21,500 you know, doing NFT crap 1374 00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:22,666 or doing 1375 00:34:22,666 --> 00:34:23,750 any kind of crypto 1376 00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:24,666 project crap 1377 00:34:24,666 --> 00:34:25,458 or working on this 1378 00:34:25,458 --> 00:34:26,458 or working on. 1379 00:34:26,458 --> 00:34:27,208 But like, 1380 00:34:27,208 --> 00:34:28,750 all of that stuff is just, 1381 00:34:28,750 --> 00:34:29,208 okay. 1382 00:34:29,208 --> 00:34:30,750 Yeah, you get the money, 1383 00:34:30,750 --> 00:34:32,125 but you lose something 1384 00:34:32,125 --> 00:34:32,750 that I think is 1385 00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:33,791 far more important, 1386 00:34:33,791 --> 00:34:36,083 which is your kind of ability 1387 00:34:36,083 --> 00:34:37,833 to really 1388 00:34:37,833 --> 00:34:40,416 look at yourself and, 1389 00:34:40,416 --> 00:34:41,208 you know, you, 1390 00:34:41,208 --> 00:34:42,375 you lose, like, 1391 00:34:42,375 --> 00:34:43,458 I guess we would say, 1392 00:34:43,458 --> 00:34:45,041 like your soul. 1393 00:34:45,041 --> 00:34:46,416 You definitely. I think 1394 00:34:47,916 --> 00:34:49,750 you can have a, a front 1395 00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:51,458 on to everyone in the world. 1396 00:34:51,458 --> 00:34:52,125 And you can lie 1397 00:34:52,125 --> 00:34:53,125 to everyone in the world, 1398 00:34:53,125 --> 00:34:53,791 but you can't 1399 00:34:53,791 --> 00:34:55,208 lie to yourself. 1400 00:34:55,208 --> 00:34:55,708 And I think 1401 00:34:55,708 --> 00:34:56,625 as soon as you cross 1402 00:34:56,625 --> 00:34:57,416 some of those kind 1403 00:34:57,416 --> 00:34:58,458 of ethical 1404 00:34:58,458 --> 00:35:00,916 lines that your entire life 1405 00:35:00,916 --> 00:35:03,250 just becomes, a lie. 1406 00:35:03,250 --> 00:35:04,125 And I don't really think 1407 00:35:04,125 --> 00:35:05,208 that there's 1408 00:35:05,208 --> 00:35:06,541 a way to turn back 1409 00:35:06,541 --> 00:35:08,458 after that because, 1410 00:35:08,458 --> 00:35:11,458 you know, you'll kind of 1411 00:35:11,625 --> 00:35:12,041 you'll have 1412 00:35:12,041 --> 00:35:12,875 always kind 1413 00:35:12,875 --> 00:35:15,791 of broken in that moment. 1414 00:35:15,791 --> 00:35:17,416 But on the other side, 1415 00:35:17,416 --> 00:35:19,041 being being just patient 1416 00:35:19,041 --> 00:35:19,541 and really 1417 00:35:19,541 --> 00:35:20,625 respecting the skills 1418 00:35:20,625 --> 00:35:21,291 that you have. 1419 00:35:21,291 --> 00:35:22,208 And like, 1420 00:35:22,208 --> 00:35:22,458 you know, 1421 00:35:22,458 --> 00:35:23,875 we have to be more creative 1422 00:35:23,875 --> 00:35:25,000 and more cunning 1423 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,208 as people with talent 1424 00:35:26,208 --> 00:35:27,500 to be able to find a way 1425 00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:28,750 to earn a living 1426 00:35:28,750 --> 00:35:30,125 and find a way to like, 1427 00:35:30,125 --> 00:35:31,083 you know, 1428 00:35:31,083 --> 00:35:32,750 to find people 1429 00:35:32,750 --> 00:35:35,333 who appreciate our work. 1430 00:35:35,333 --> 00:35:37,000 It's much more difficult. 1431 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,666 But I think in the end, 1432 00:35:38,666 --> 00:35:40,333 it has longevity. 1433 00:35:40,333 --> 00:35:41,000 It'll last, 1434 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,166 like, your whole lifetime, 1435 00:35:43,166 --> 00:35:46,125 to do to do the hard work. 1436 00:35:46,125 --> 00:35:47,541 And you'll kind of 1437 00:35:47,541 --> 00:35:48,333 you'll always 1438 00:35:48,333 --> 00:35:50,083 be able to know that, 1439 00:35:50,083 --> 00:35:51,041 you know, 1440 00:35:51,041 --> 00:35:52,500 you acted, 1441 00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:54,125 in, in the 1442 00:35:54,125 --> 00:35:55,458 spirit of goodness, 1443 00:35:55,458 --> 00:35:57,166 first verse, 1444 00:35:57,166 --> 00:35:58,000 I think 1445 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:58,958 the overwhelming 1446 00:35:58,958 --> 00:36:00,708 evil out there, 1447 00:36:00,708 --> 00:36:02,000 you know, I love that 1448 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:02,833 it resonates so 1449 00:36:02,833 --> 00:36:04,541 hard, like, with, the way 1450 00:36:04,541 --> 00:36:05,958 we do things as well. 1451 00:36:05,958 --> 00:36:07,458 But it also leads me into 1452 00:36:07,458 --> 00:36:08,583 as sort of a devil's 1453 00:36:08,583 --> 00:36:09,916 advocate thing here that, 1454 00:36:09,916 --> 00:36:10,666 something I'd love 1455 00:36:10,666 --> 00:36:11,625 to pick your brain on. 1456 00:36:11,625 --> 00:36:12,708 And this is, 1457 00:36:12,708 --> 00:36:13,500 we wrote 1458 00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:15,125 a couple of paragraphs, 1459 00:36:15,125 --> 00:36:15,583 at least, 1460 00:36:15,583 --> 00:36:16,541 if not a whole chapter 1461 00:36:16,541 --> 00:36:17,833 about this in the 1462 00:36:17,833 --> 00:36:19,375 in the book about, 1463 00:36:19,375 --> 00:36:21,208 proof of work 1464 00:36:21,208 --> 00:36:22,333 being a little bit 1465 00:36:22,333 --> 00:36:23,625 being a bit too close, 1466 00:36:23,625 --> 00:36:25,250 like labor theory or value. 1467 00:36:25,250 --> 00:36:25,916 Like if, 1468 00:36:25,916 --> 00:36:27,250 if you're just doing work 1469 00:36:27,250 --> 00:36:29,291 for work's sake 1470 00:36:29,291 --> 00:36:30,166 and the market 1471 00:36:30,166 --> 00:36:31,541 didn't ask you to do that 1472 00:36:31,541 --> 00:36:32,791 work, then you're 1473 00:36:32,791 --> 00:36:34,125 basically just 1474 00:36:35,375 --> 00:36:36,500 just doing whatever the 1475 00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:37,791 Soviet Union were doing. 1476 00:36:37,791 --> 00:36:41,416 I mean, I think, 1477 00:36:41,416 --> 00:36:42,166 proof of work 1478 00:36:42,166 --> 00:36:43,166 should be rebranded 1479 00:36:43,166 --> 00:36:43,625 into proof 1480 00:36:43,625 --> 00:36:45,250 of results because, 1481 00:36:45,250 --> 00:36:46,666 because that's really 1482 00:36:46,666 --> 00:36:47,416 what counts. 1483 00:36:47,416 --> 00:36:47,833 I mean, 1484 00:36:47,833 --> 00:36:49,250 not even in Bitcoin 1485 00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:50,791 mining is proof of work. 1486 00:36:50,791 --> 00:36:52,208 Actual proof of work. 1487 00:36:52,208 --> 00:36:53,000 It's just proof 1488 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:53,333 that you 1489 00:36:53,333 --> 00:36:54,375 found the correct touch. 1490 00:36:54,375 --> 00:36:55,958 So it's it's the result 1491 00:36:55,958 --> 00:36:56,958 that matters. 1492 00:36:56,958 --> 00:36:58,250 The work is implied 1493 00:36:58,250 --> 00:36:59,750 by the result. 1494 00:36:59,750 --> 00:37:01,708 But like, proof. 1495 00:37:01,708 --> 00:37:02,541 I don't 1496 00:37:02,541 --> 00:37:03,958 I don't think it is proof. 1497 00:37:03,958 --> 00:37:05,958 I think it is a hint of work. 1498 00:37:05,958 --> 00:37:06,708 Maybe, 1499 00:37:06,708 --> 00:37:08,083 but it's proof of results. 1500 00:37:08,083 --> 00:37:09,041 And I think that's 1501 00:37:09,041 --> 00:37:10,208 the way to approach, 1502 00:37:10,208 --> 00:37:11,541 approach, 1503 00:37:11,541 --> 00:37:13,208 creative projects as well. 1504 00:37:13,208 --> 00:37:15,000 Like, 1505 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,875 I respect a lot of artists 1506 00:37:16,875 --> 00:37:18,583 that, 1507 00:37:18,583 --> 00:37:21,000 both musicians and actors 1508 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,125 and, and the other author, 1509 00:37:23,125 --> 00:37:24,625 artists as well, 1510 00:37:24,625 --> 00:37:27,041 that don't necessarily seem 1511 00:37:27,041 --> 00:37:28,458 to do a lot of, 1512 00:37:28,458 --> 00:37:30,750 to put in a lot of effort, 1513 00:37:30,750 --> 00:37:31,666 but their output 1514 00:37:31,666 --> 00:37:32,416 is excellent. 1515 00:37:32,416 --> 00:37:33,041 Like, I, 1516 00:37:33,041 --> 00:37:34,916 I can love an actor 1517 00:37:34,916 --> 00:37:35,708 like Bill Murray, 1518 00:37:35,708 --> 00:37:36,333 for instance, 1519 00:37:36,333 --> 00:37:37,416 who made a career out of 1520 00:37:37,416 --> 00:37:38,125 just looking like 1521 00:37:38,125 --> 00:37:38,750 he doesn't give a 1522 00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:41,416 fuck all the time. And, or 1523 00:37:42,583 --> 00:37:43,625 some bands 1524 00:37:43,625 --> 00:37:46,958 and, songwriters 1525 00:37:46,958 --> 00:37:48,041 that seem to be the same. 1526 00:37:48,041 --> 00:37:51,041 Let's just have this, like, 1527 00:37:51,708 --> 00:37:52,541 talent for 1528 00:37:52,541 --> 00:37:54,041 for finding interesting 1529 00:37:54,041 --> 00:37:55,041 melodies and stuff. 1530 00:37:55,041 --> 00:37:56,000 And they don't seem 1531 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,583 to really do that much work. 1532 00:37:57,583 --> 00:37:58,541 It's just comes to them 1533 00:37:58,541 --> 00:37:59,416 naturally. 1534 00:37:59,416 --> 00:38:00,333 I think it's it's 1535 00:38:00,333 --> 00:38:01,500 hard to know, though, 1536 00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:02,125 how much work 1537 00:38:02,125 --> 00:38:03,333 that actually went into it. 1538 00:38:03,333 --> 00:38:04,000 You could 1539 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,000 you could argue that a whole 1540 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,708 that your whole life is work. 1541 00:38:07,708 --> 00:38:08,250 If you 1542 00:38:08,250 --> 00:38:08,833 if you have the 1543 00:38:08,833 --> 00:38:09,791 correct mindset 1544 00:38:09,791 --> 00:38:10,750 and if you learn from 1545 00:38:10,750 --> 00:38:12,083 all of your experiences 1546 00:38:12,083 --> 00:38:12,708 to really take 1547 00:38:12,708 --> 00:38:13,708 things to heart. 1548 00:38:13,708 --> 00:38:15,166 But there's there is, 1549 00:38:15,166 --> 00:38:16,958 there's something there 1550 00:38:16,958 --> 00:38:18,375 between proof of work 1551 00:38:18,375 --> 00:38:19,458 and proof for results. 1552 00:38:19,458 --> 00:38:21,166 Would you agree? 1553 00:38:21,166 --> 00:38:21,375 Yeah. 1554 00:38:21,375 --> 00:38:23,833 I mean, it's 1555 00:38:23,833 --> 00:38:25,958 it 1556 00:38:25,958 --> 00:38:28,750 the market is is the truth 1557 00:38:28,750 --> 00:38:30,000 and the price is the truth. 1558 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,250 So and we just 1559 00:38:31,250 --> 00:38:32,125 unfortunately have 1560 00:38:32,125 --> 00:38:34,041 like a very distorted, 1561 00:38:34,041 --> 00:38:36,916 market signal right now. 1562 00:38:38,916 --> 00:38:42,000 So you can't be it 1563 00:38:42,833 --> 00:38:44,416 the pursuit of excellence 1564 00:38:44,416 --> 00:38:46,125 still has to be in line 1565 00:38:46,125 --> 00:38:48,458 with, with, 1566 00:38:48,458 --> 00:38:49,291 with what you said, 1567 00:38:49,291 --> 00:38:52,291 like a result, of some kind. 1568 00:38:52,333 --> 00:38:55,833 And but I think that, 1569 00:38:55,875 --> 00:38:56,500 you know, there's 1570 00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:57,583 probably a place 1571 00:38:57,583 --> 00:39:00,583 for a lot of things that, 1572 00:39:01,875 --> 00:39:03,541 it it's. 1573 00:39:03,541 --> 00:39:06,583 Yeah, it's, interesting site. 1574 00:39:06,583 --> 00:39:09,583 I mean. 1575 00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:11,791 Yeah. 1576 00:39:11,791 --> 00:39:12,375 Just because 1577 00:39:12,375 --> 00:39:13,791 you put a lot of time 1578 00:39:13,791 --> 00:39:15,083 and energy into something 1579 00:39:15,083 --> 00:39:16,083 and just because something. 1580 00:39:16,083 --> 00:39:17,416 It's one of the questions 1581 00:39:17,416 --> 00:39:18,250 that frustrates me 1582 00:39:18,250 --> 00:39:19,875 a lot is with my, 1583 00:39:19,875 --> 00:39:21,375 being doing 1584 00:39:21,375 --> 00:39:22,208 art stuff, 1585 00:39:22,208 --> 00:39:22,916 is that I'll 1586 00:39:22,916 --> 00:39:25,125 present something 1587 00:39:25,125 --> 00:39:26,083 and then someone 1588 00:39:26,083 --> 00:39:26,750 will ask like, 1589 00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:27,583 oh my gosh, like, 1590 00:39:27,583 --> 00:39:28,666 how long did this 1591 00:39:28,666 --> 00:39:30,708 take to make? 1592 00:39:30,708 --> 00:39:32,500 As if that's relevant to 1593 00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:34,625 to what it is? 1594 00:39:34,625 --> 00:39:35,125 You know, or 1595 00:39:35,125 --> 00:39:36,125 like what was the 1596 00:39:36,125 --> 00:39:38,125 technical step by step 1597 00:39:38,125 --> 00:39:40,000 process to create this? 1598 00:39:41,125 --> 00:39:42,625 And it's kind of, 1599 00:39:42,625 --> 00:39:43,625 like I 1600 00:39:43,625 --> 00:39:44,541 get the questions, 1601 00:39:44,541 --> 00:39:45,583 but to me it's 1602 00:39:45,583 --> 00:39:46,083 just like 1603 00:39:46,083 --> 00:39:47,375 completely irrelevant. 1604 00:39:47,375 --> 00:39:48,000 And like, 1605 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,000 what really matters is like 1606 00:39:51,041 --> 00:39:52,500 how good the work is. 1607 00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:54,708 And I'm willing to use 1608 00:39:54,708 --> 00:39:56,541 any means necessary 1609 00:39:56,541 --> 00:39:58,166 to make the work as good 1610 00:39:58,166 --> 00:39:59,750 a, as good as possible. 1611 00:39:59,750 --> 00:40:02,083 Any, any technique, 1612 00:40:02,083 --> 00:40:03,541 you know, any, 1613 00:40:03,541 --> 00:40:06,583 artisans, any, you know, 1614 00:40:06,958 --> 00:40:08,208 experts, any, 1615 00:40:08,208 --> 00:40:09,333 any bits of text, 1616 00:40:09,333 --> 00:40:10,291 like any bit of, 1617 00:40:10,291 --> 00:40:13,416 information, any. 1618 00:40:13,666 --> 00:40:14,500 I'm, I'm well, 1619 00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:16,000 like Maddox 1620 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,541 in the unfortunately 1621 00:40:17,541 --> 00:40:17,958 in the way 1622 00:40:17,958 --> 00:40:19,000 that it's come together, 1623 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:19,750 it's like 1624 00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:20,458 kind of all 1625 00:40:20,458 --> 00:40:21,875 very around me right now 1626 00:40:21,875 --> 00:40:22,458 because that's 1627 00:40:22,458 --> 00:40:24,041 how it's like bootstrapped. 1628 00:40:24,041 --> 00:40:24,750 But really 1629 00:40:24,750 --> 00:40:26,666 what I'm trying to create 1630 00:40:26,666 --> 00:40:27,375 is just a, 1631 00:40:27,375 --> 00:40:29,041 like, art production house 1632 00:40:29,041 --> 00:40:29,958 that just creates 1633 00:40:29,958 --> 00:40:32,250 like insanely high quality, 1634 00:40:32,250 --> 00:40:34,083 really amazing stuff, 1635 00:40:34,083 --> 00:40:36,083 with the basis being art 1636 00:40:36,083 --> 00:40:36,791 and then also 1637 00:40:36,791 --> 00:40:38,416 kind of getting into, 1638 00:40:38,416 --> 00:40:39,916 other like products 1639 00:40:39,916 --> 00:40:40,291 and things, 1640 00:40:40,291 --> 00:40:41,958 things I care about and, 1641 00:40:41,958 --> 00:40:44,041 you know, doing that takes 1642 00:40:44,041 --> 00:40:45,583 insane amounts of time 1643 00:40:45,583 --> 00:40:47,583 and insane amounts of people 1644 00:40:47,583 --> 00:40:49,541 and sometimes no time 1645 00:40:49,541 --> 00:40:50,791 and no people. 1646 00:40:50,791 --> 00:40:51,833 And, 1647 00:40:51,833 --> 00:40:52,125 you know, 1648 00:40:52,125 --> 00:40:53,500 the results on either end 1649 00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:55,125 can sometimes be really good. 1650 00:40:55,125 --> 00:40:56,625 And, you know, 1651 00:40:56,625 --> 00:40:57,166 I can spend 1652 00:40:57,166 --> 00:40:58,375 no time on something, 1653 00:40:58,375 --> 00:40:59,708 and it only be me, 1654 00:40:59,708 --> 00:41:01,541 and it can come out shit, 1655 00:41:01,541 --> 00:41:03,291 or it can come out amazing. 1656 00:41:03,291 --> 00:41:05,041 Or I can spend, you know, 1657 00:41:05,041 --> 00:41:05,666 three months 1658 00:41:05,666 --> 00:41:06,458 doing something 1659 00:41:06,458 --> 00:41:07,125 with a team of, 1660 00:41:07,125 --> 00:41:07,791 like, six 1661 00:41:07,791 --> 00:41:09,041 other people, 1662 00:41:09,041 --> 00:41:10,791 and it can come out amazing 1663 00:41:10,791 --> 00:41:12,125 or it can come out shit. 1664 00:41:12,125 --> 00:41:14,833 So you I, I, 1665 00:41:14,833 --> 00:41:16,375 I think it's just 1666 00:41:16,375 --> 00:41:19,916 having taste and having, 1667 00:41:20,875 --> 00:41:23,458 I yeah, I guess, I guess 1668 00:41:23,458 --> 00:41:24,125 that's just like, 1669 00:41:24,125 --> 00:41:24,833 who will 1670 00:41:24,833 --> 00:41:25,750 who will succeed 1671 00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:28,125 and kind of who will, 1672 00:41:28,125 --> 00:41:28,458 you know, 1673 00:41:28,458 --> 00:41:29,416 not like the market 1674 00:41:29,416 --> 00:41:29,958 will really 1675 00:41:29,958 --> 00:41:31,750 ultimately decide. 1676 00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:32,458 But I guess 1677 00:41:32,458 --> 00:41:33,166 what I, I guess 1678 00:41:33,166 --> 00:41:34,375 the point is not 1679 00:41:34,375 --> 00:41:36,291 to take shortcuts, 1680 00:41:36,291 --> 00:41:37,500 more than to, 1681 00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:38,500 like, work on something 1682 00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:40,041 that doesn't matter 1683 00:41:40,041 --> 00:41:41,291 or is crap. 1684 00:41:41,291 --> 00:41:42,916 It's just like. 1685 00:41:42,916 --> 00:41:44,625 It's like I've had success 1686 00:41:44,625 --> 00:41:45,833 from kind of the beginning 1687 00:41:45,833 --> 00:41:46,625 of what I'm doing 1688 00:41:46,625 --> 00:41:47,500 because I think I'm 1689 00:41:47,500 --> 00:41:48,541 a great designer 1690 00:41:48,541 --> 00:41:50,791 and it resonates quite well. 1691 00:41:50,791 --> 00:41:52,833 And then as a result 1692 00:41:52,833 --> 00:41:54,125 of that success and doing 1693 00:41:54,125 --> 00:41:55,208 well in the first place, 1694 00:41:55,208 --> 00:41:56,291 a lot of like 1695 00:41:56,291 --> 00:41:57,791 extreme shortcut 1696 00:41:57,791 --> 00:41:58,833 opportunities 1697 00:41:58,833 --> 00:42:00,375 were offered to me, 1698 00:42:00,375 --> 00:42:01,125 you know, 1699 00:42:01,125 --> 00:42:02,041 to be a part of 1700 00:42:02,041 --> 00:42:03,333 like scam projects 1701 00:42:03,333 --> 00:42:04,791 or crypto this or crypto 1702 00:42:04,791 --> 00:42:05,500 that or whatever 1703 00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:06,875 other bullshit. 1704 00:42:06,875 --> 00:42:08,000 And, you know, 1705 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:08,958 those would have been 1706 00:42:08,958 --> 00:42:10,125 like shortcuts 1707 00:42:10,125 --> 00:42:12,291 in, in financial realm, 1708 00:42:12,291 --> 00:42:14,125 but it would have 1709 00:42:14,125 --> 00:42:15,250 totally fucked up 1710 00:42:15,250 --> 00:42:16,458 the work because 1711 00:42:17,458 --> 00:42:17,833 it would have 1712 00:42:17,833 --> 00:42:19,833 just gutted that kind of soul 1713 00:42:19,833 --> 00:42:20,958 and meaning. 1714 00:42:20,958 --> 00:42:23,500 And really what I think 1715 00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:25,375 is the value, it's like the 1716 00:42:25,375 --> 00:42:26,416 the real value, 1717 00:42:26,416 --> 00:42:28,125 like the reason matrix art 1718 00:42:28,125 --> 00:42:28,500 is going 1719 00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:29,750 to really fucking matter 1720 00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:31,541 in 50 years versus 1721 00:42:31,541 --> 00:42:32,583 all the other artists 1722 00:42:32,583 --> 00:42:34,458 that are out there. 1723 00:42:34,458 --> 00:42:36,958 Is that it's 1724 00:42:36,958 --> 00:42:38,208 it's tied to 1725 00:42:38,208 --> 00:42:39,208 one of the most 1726 00:42:39,208 --> 00:42:40,916 important times 1727 00:42:40,916 --> 00:42:42,125 in all of history 1728 00:42:42,125 --> 00:42:43,541 where we're going 1729 00:42:43,541 --> 00:42:44,833 through this transition 1730 00:42:44,833 --> 00:42:46,000 and this shift, 1731 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:46,541 and where 1732 00:42:46,541 --> 00:42:48,166 the wealth is moving 1733 00:42:48,166 --> 00:42:50,500 for, for the first time ever. 1734 00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:53,416 And 1735 00:42:53,416 --> 00:42:54,125 I'm sort of 1736 00:42:54,125 --> 00:42:55,958 coloring over that, 1737 00:42:55,958 --> 00:42:58,041 that change in history. 1738 00:42:58,041 --> 00:43:00,125 And that's what gives it 1739 00:43:00,125 --> 00:43:01,875 I think really, it's 1740 00:43:01,875 --> 00:43:03,833 ultimate like 1741 00:43:03,833 --> 00:43:04,416 meaning 1742 00:43:04,416 --> 00:43:06,958 and make makes it really, 1743 00:43:06,958 --> 00:43:08,750 that much better versus 1744 00:43:08,750 --> 00:43:09,750 kind of, 1745 00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:11,083 stuff that maybe 1746 00:43:11,083 --> 00:43:12,125 like technically 1747 00:43:12,125 --> 00:43:13,000 extremely good, 1748 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,500 but just kind of exists 1749 00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:16,083 and doesn't really have like 1750 00:43:16,083 --> 00:43:18,458 an anchor behind it. 1751 00:43:18,458 --> 00:43:18,750 You know, 1752 00:43:18,750 --> 00:43:20,375 there's like a huge element 1753 00:43:20,375 --> 00:43:22,833 in, of humanity and, 1754 00:43:22,833 --> 00:43:23,625 and what I'm trying 1755 00:43:23,625 --> 00:43:24,916 to push into the world 1756 00:43:24,916 --> 00:43:26,208 with made X, 1757 00:43:26,208 --> 00:43:27,625 that I think 1758 00:43:27,625 --> 00:43:28,750 is timeless and 1759 00:43:28,750 --> 00:43:30,125 will continue to resonate. 1760 00:43:32,625 --> 00:43:33,166 Yeah. 1761 00:43:33,166 --> 00:43:34,250 And but 1762 00:43:34,250 --> 00:43:37,250 you're absolutely right. 1763 00:43:37,416 --> 00:43:40,000 No, I just find creativity 1764 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,291 a very interesting concept. 1765 00:43:42,291 --> 00:43:43,916 And, 1766 00:43:43,916 --> 00:43:45,583 for me and for others, 1767 00:43:45,583 --> 00:43:46,125 I know it's a 1768 00:43:46,125 --> 00:43:47,791 it's a very strange beast 1769 00:43:47,791 --> 00:43:49,250 to try to tame 1770 00:43:49,250 --> 00:43:50,541 because it's it's, 1771 00:43:50,541 --> 00:43:51,458 you never know 1772 00:43:51,458 --> 00:43:52,041 when stuff 1773 00:43:52,041 --> 00:43:52,833 is going to hit you. 1774 00:43:52,833 --> 00:43:53,833 And, 1775 00:43:53,833 --> 00:43:54,500 I know 1776 00:43:54,500 --> 00:43:55,833 Lucas in this first time 1777 00:43:55,833 --> 00:43:57,250 I went around, 1778 00:43:57,250 --> 00:43:58,291 like, talking about. 1779 00:43:58,291 --> 00:43:59,000 I wanted to 1780 00:43:59,000 --> 00:43:59,750 write the book for, 1781 00:43:59,750 --> 00:44:01,416 like, two years before. 1782 00:44:01,416 --> 00:44:03,000 Before I started writing one. 1783 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:03,833 And then I write one. 1784 00:44:03,833 --> 00:44:05,125 It takes a month, like, 1785 00:44:05,125 --> 00:44:05,958 or two. 1786 00:44:05,958 --> 00:44:07,125 I have the basis of it. 1787 00:44:07,125 --> 00:44:08,416 Just pours out of me 1788 00:44:08,416 --> 00:44:09,083 when it comes. 1789 00:44:09,083 --> 00:44:09,875 But before that, it's 1790 00:44:09,875 --> 00:44:10,625 totally fucking 1791 00:44:10,625 --> 00:44:11,791 writer's block. 1792 00:44:11,791 --> 00:44:13,375 And I spend time, like, 1793 00:44:13,375 --> 00:44:14,250 daydreaming 1794 00:44:14,250 --> 00:44:15,083 and walking around 1795 00:44:15,083 --> 00:44:15,791 and trying to come 1796 00:44:15,791 --> 00:44:16,791 up with stuff. 1797 00:44:16,791 --> 00:44:17,958 And I used to think of 1798 00:44:17,958 --> 00:44:19,416 that as me being lazy, 1799 00:44:19,416 --> 00:44:20,458 but but now. 1800 00:44:20,458 --> 00:44:21,583 But I've realized 1801 00:44:21,583 --> 00:44:23,208 that it's not being lazy. 1802 00:44:23,208 --> 00:44:23,791 It's it's 1803 00:44:23,791 --> 00:44:25,458 like part of the process. 1804 00:44:25,458 --> 00:44:27,041 It has to be part of 1805 00:44:27,041 --> 00:44:27,625 the process. 1806 00:44:27,625 --> 00:44:31,000 And sometimes 1807 00:44:32,125 --> 00:44:32,958 it just hits you. 1808 00:44:32,958 --> 00:44:33,750 And that's 1809 00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:34,708 the strange thing 1810 00:44:34,708 --> 00:44:35,833 about creativity. 1811 00:44:35,833 --> 00:44:37,333 And, 1812 00:44:37,333 --> 00:44:38,125 a lot of things 1813 00:44:38,125 --> 00:44:38,791 have been said 1814 00:44:38,791 --> 00:44:39,916 and written about it 1815 00:44:39,916 --> 00:44:40,250 like, 1816 00:44:40,250 --> 00:44:41,958 the best, 1817 00:44:41,958 --> 00:44:43,375 the best way to be creative 1818 00:44:43,375 --> 00:44:44,125 is to, 1819 00:44:44,125 --> 00:44:45,458 I think this 1820 00:44:45,458 --> 00:44:46,333 the John Cleese's 1821 00:44:46,333 --> 00:44:48,166 take on it, that you 1822 00:44:48,166 --> 00:44:50,208 you cannot be interrupted. 1823 00:44:50,208 --> 00:44:51,750 But you also need to know 1824 00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:52,583 that you are not 1825 00:44:52,583 --> 00:44:54,166 going to be interrupted. 1826 00:44:54,166 --> 00:44:55,250 And I like that a lot. 1827 00:44:55,250 --> 00:44:56,000 And I guess that's why 1828 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:56,791 I mostly work 1829 00:44:56,791 --> 00:44:57,541 in the mornings, 1830 00:44:57,541 --> 00:44:58,208 because I know 1831 00:44:58,208 --> 00:44:59,375 my family won't be up, 1832 00:44:59,375 --> 00:45:01,000 so I won't be interrupted. 1833 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:01,750 Like the risk of 1834 00:45:01,750 --> 00:45:02,500 being interrupted 1835 00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:03,791 is just not there. 1836 00:45:03,791 --> 00:45:04,666 Because if you know 1837 00:45:04,666 --> 00:45:05,791 that you have, 1838 00:45:05,791 --> 00:45:06,833 you're going to 1839 00:45:06,833 --> 00:45:08,416 get a notification soon 1840 00:45:08,416 --> 00:45:09,750 or you're going to someone's 1841 00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:10,250 going to 1842 00:45:10,250 --> 00:45:11,916 try to grab your attention, 1843 00:45:11,916 --> 00:45:12,208 then it's 1844 00:45:12,208 --> 00:45:13,458 much harder to focus. 1845 00:45:13,458 --> 00:45:15,291 Like you need that much space 1846 00:45:15,291 --> 00:45:16,166 to to actually 1847 00:45:16,166 --> 00:45:17,250 do something creative 1848 00:45:17,250 --> 00:45:18,166 if you're working 1849 00:45:18,166 --> 00:45:20,458 alone, especially and I mean 1850 00:45:21,708 --> 00:45:23,083 other, other thoughts 1851 00:45:23,083 --> 00:45:23,833 around it like, 1852 00:45:23,833 --> 00:45:26,208 like you said, 1853 00:45:26,208 --> 00:45:27,208 some of the works 1854 00:45:27,208 --> 00:45:28,750 take a short amount of time 1855 00:45:28,750 --> 00:45:29,625 and some take a long 1856 00:45:29,625 --> 00:45:30,250 amount of time, 1857 00:45:30,250 --> 00:45:30,875 and that doesn't 1858 00:45:30,875 --> 00:45:31,458 really matter 1859 00:45:31,458 --> 00:45:32,416 for the end product. 1860 00:45:32,416 --> 00:45:34,583 It's, a way to look at that. 1861 00:45:34,583 --> 00:45:35,833 It's like 1862 00:45:35,833 --> 00:45:36,750 it's the fish 1863 00:45:36,750 --> 00:45:37,916 that's beautiful, 1864 00:45:37,916 --> 00:45:38,916 not the fisherman. 1865 00:45:38,916 --> 00:45:40,125 So you, 1866 00:45:40,125 --> 00:45:41,166 But what you're doing 1867 00:45:41,166 --> 00:45:43,875 is by by being productive 1868 00:45:43,875 --> 00:45:44,875 as a creative. 1869 00:45:44,875 --> 00:45:46,833 Is that you're going fishing, 1870 00:45:46,833 --> 00:45:47,958 and occasionally 1871 00:45:47,958 --> 00:45:48,583 you'll stumble 1872 00:45:48,583 --> 00:45:49,541 on a beautiful fish, 1873 00:45:49,541 --> 00:45:51,500 and you never know when, 1874 00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:52,291 you could 1875 00:45:52,291 --> 00:45:53,583 you can increase your odds, 1876 00:45:53,583 --> 00:45:55,875 but you can't really control 1877 00:45:55,875 --> 00:45:57,375 what kind of fish you're 1878 00:45:57,375 --> 00:45:59,083 you're going to get. 1879 00:45:59,083 --> 00:46:00,083 Does that make any sense 1880 00:46:00,083 --> 00:46:00,791 to you? 1881 00:46:00,791 --> 00:46:01,125 Yeah. 1882 00:46:01,125 --> 00:46:02,041 No, it definitely does. 1883 00:46:02,041 --> 00:46:03,375 Like, I think that by 1884 00:46:03,375 --> 00:46:04,541 I mean, 1885 00:46:07,125 --> 00:46:08,416 I think that 1886 00:46:08,416 --> 00:46:09,958 all the best work 1887 00:46:09,958 --> 00:46:10,708 that I've done 1888 00:46:10,708 --> 00:46:13,708 has been some sort of, 1889 00:46:13,875 --> 00:46:16,458 like, divine alignment. 1890 00:46:18,250 --> 00:46:21,250 And it's like the whole 1891 00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:23,083 there's all there's 1892 00:46:23,083 --> 00:46:24,041 so much information 1893 00:46:24,041 --> 00:46:24,583 out there. 1894 00:46:24,583 --> 00:46:26,541 And then to kind of find 1895 00:46:26,541 --> 00:46:27,791 the things that go together 1896 00:46:27,791 --> 00:46:29,083 in the way, 1897 00:46:29,083 --> 00:46:29,625 in a way 1898 00:46:29,625 --> 00:46:30,875 that is really powerful 1899 00:46:30,875 --> 00:46:31,541 and really works. 1900 00:46:31,541 --> 00:46:34,541 Well, it it's 1901 00:46:36,125 --> 00:46:36,708 it comes, 1902 00:46:36,708 --> 00:46:38,000 it comes to you 1903 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,333 in waves and in moments. 1904 00:46:40,333 --> 00:46:43,333 And it it's 1905 00:46:43,375 --> 00:46:45,583 you can't just, something 1906 00:46:45,583 --> 00:46:46,833 that has been difficult 1907 00:46:46,833 --> 00:46:49,666 to explain to 1908 00:46:49,666 --> 00:46:50,541 people around me 1909 00:46:50,541 --> 00:46:51,250 is that you can't 1910 00:46:51,250 --> 00:46:52,000 just, like, 1911 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,708 sit down and then just, like, 1912 00:46:53,708 --> 00:46:55,500 make the stuff. 1913 00:46:55,500 --> 00:46:58,125 It's pretty, like you said, 1914 00:46:58,125 --> 00:46:59,208 like walking around 1915 00:46:59,208 --> 00:47:00,208 and thinking about this, 1916 00:47:00,208 --> 00:47:01,041 thinking about that, 1917 00:47:01,041 --> 00:47:01,750 looking at this, 1918 00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:02,458 looking at that. 1919 00:47:02,458 --> 00:47:03,750 It's like, 1920 00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:04,208 can feel 1921 00:47:04,208 --> 00:47:05,500 like you're wasting time. 1922 00:47:05,500 --> 00:47:07,333 But really it's important. 1923 00:47:07,333 --> 00:47:08,500 And sort of 1924 00:47:08,500 --> 00:47:09,791 figuring out where 1925 00:47:09,791 --> 00:47:10,541 all those kind of 1926 00:47:10,541 --> 00:47:15,083 puzzle pieces go and it all 1927 00:47:16,833 --> 00:47:18,000 what to do will 1928 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,000 kind of hit you at the most 1929 00:47:21,125 --> 00:47:22,791 bizarre times. 1930 00:47:22,791 --> 00:47:24,541 And then I think, what 1931 00:47:24,541 --> 00:47:25,458 what really is 1932 00:47:25,458 --> 00:47:26,000 the secret 1933 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,375 is just having 1934 00:47:27,375 --> 00:47:28,625 the having 1935 00:47:28,625 --> 00:47:30,458 structured your environment 1936 00:47:30,458 --> 00:47:31,750 and set up your life 1937 00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:34,291 so that when that inspiration 1938 00:47:34,291 --> 00:47:35,208 hits you, 1939 00:47:35,208 --> 00:47:38,000 you're able to capture it 1940 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,250 and, with, 1941 00:47:39,250 --> 00:47:40,791 with, with very little, 1942 00:47:40,791 --> 00:47:41,791 friction. 1943 00:47:41,791 --> 00:47:42,500 And also, 1944 00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:43,875 like you said, without, 1945 00:47:43,875 --> 00:47:46,458 distraction 1946 00:47:46,458 --> 00:47:48,750 and. 1947 00:47:48,750 --> 00:47:49,916 Yeah, every I mean, we're 1948 00:47:49,916 --> 00:47:51,500 just kind of reflecting out 1949 00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:52,666 everything that come 1950 00:47:52,666 --> 00:47:55,875 that comes in and you can 1951 00:47:57,250 --> 00:47:58,416 I'm always looking for like, 1952 00:47:58,416 --> 00:47:59,083 little signs. 1953 00:47:59,083 --> 00:47:59,833 I think what I meant 1954 00:47:59,833 --> 00:48:02,041 with that kind of divine side 1955 00:48:02,041 --> 00:48:03,666 is that I, I, 1956 00:48:03,666 --> 00:48:06,000 I am coming at life 1957 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,458 with this sort of attitude 1958 00:48:07,458 --> 00:48:10,208 that, like the whole universe 1959 00:48:10,208 --> 00:48:11,750 wants me to succeed 1960 00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:14,291 and is constantly offering up 1961 00:48:14,291 --> 00:48:15,708 gifts and is offering 1962 00:48:15,708 --> 00:48:17,916 up, kind of little 1963 00:48:17,916 --> 00:48:19,333 tokens of knowledge 1964 00:48:19,333 --> 00:48:20,000 and little 1965 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,000 like little puzzle 1966 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,416 pieces everywhere. 1967 00:48:22,416 --> 00:48:22,791 And I'm 1968 00:48:22,791 --> 00:48:24,083 just looking for them. 1969 00:48:24,083 --> 00:48:25,916 And I think every failure 1970 00:48:25,916 --> 00:48:27,375 I've ever had in my life, 1971 00:48:27,375 --> 00:48:28,333 or kind of everything 1972 00:48:28,333 --> 00:48:29,416 that I look back on 1973 00:48:29,416 --> 00:48:30,916 and feel bad about myself 1974 00:48:30,916 --> 00:48:32,208 for, is just 1975 00:48:32,208 --> 00:48:35,000 a sort of ignoring the nudges 1976 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:35,833 or not taking 1977 00:48:35,833 --> 00:48:36,833 kind of seriously 1978 00:48:36,833 --> 00:48:38,791 the nudges from the universe. 1979 00:48:38,791 --> 00:48:39,791 There's a really great, 1980 00:48:39,791 --> 00:48:42,791 story from, Rick Rubin 1981 00:48:42,791 --> 00:48:44,000 about one of the system 1982 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,833 of a down songs that 1983 00:48:45,833 --> 00:48:46,541 he was, 1984 00:48:46,541 --> 00:48:48,333 helping the band work on, 1985 00:48:48,333 --> 00:48:49,541 and they were looking 1986 00:48:49,541 --> 00:48:51,166 for the lyrics to, like, 1987 00:48:51,166 --> 00:48:52,125 fit in a certain 1988 00:48:52,125 --> 00:48:54,208 segment of the song. 1989 00:48:54,208 --> 00:48:57,083 And, 1990 00:48:57,083 --> 00:48:58,875 Rick was just in his office 1991 00:48:58,875 --> 00:49:01,000 with, the lead singer, 1992 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,291 I think is named Serge 1993 00:49:02,291 --> 00:49:03,208 and just told him, 1994 00:49:03,208 --> 00:49:04,208 just go 1995 00:49:04,208 --> 00:49:05,000 pick a random 1996 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,291 book off the bookshelf 1997 00:49:06,291 --> 00:49:07,750 and open it. 1998 00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:08,625 And, 1999 00:49:08,625 --> 00:49:09,250 so he went 2000 00:49:09,250 --> 00:49:09,833 and pulled 2001 00:49:09,833 --> 00:49:10,875 this book off the shelf 2002 00:49:10,875 --> 00:49:11,541 and opened it 2003 00:49:11,541 --> 00:49:12,333 and read sort 2004 00:49:12,333 --> 00:49:13,291 of the first line 2005 00:49:13,291 --> 00:49:13,875 out of the book. 2006 00:49:13,875 --> 00:49:14,833 And then that ended up 2007 00:49:14,833 --> 00:49:15,916 being like the perfect 2008 00:49:15,916 --> 00:49:17,958 lyric to fit into the song. 2009 00:49:20,083 --> 00:49:20,958 So with, 2010 00:49:20,958 --> 00:49:23,958 with finding like, 2011 00:49:24,166 --> 00:49:25,666 I think really the, the, 2012 00:49:25,666 --> 00:49:28,416 the major skill is like 2013 00:49:28,416 --> 00:49:30,791 identifying those gifts 2014 00:49:30,791 --> 00:49:32,333 and really recognizing them 2015 00:49:32,333 --> 00:49:33,875 and taking them seriously 2016 00:49:33,875 --> 00:49:34,625 and like 2017 00:49:34,625 --> 00:49:35,833 when the opportunities 2018 00:49:35,833 --> 00:49:37,541 come, like just 2019 00:49:37,541 --> 00:49:38,791 really rolling with it 2020 00:49:38,791 --> 00:49:41,375 and really, you know, getting 2021 00:49:41,375 --> 00:49:43,166 getting it converted into, 2022 00:49:43,166 --> 00:49:44,458 into like 2023 00:49:44,458 --> 00:49:45,625 physical reality 2024 00:49:45,625 --> 00:49:47,083 from that sort of idea 2025 00:49:47,083 --> 00:49:50,083 that's in your mind. 2026 00:49:50,833 --> 00:49:51,250 Yeah, 2027 00:49:51,250 --> 00:49:51,708 that would be 2028 00:49:51,708 --> 00:49:53,208 my take on that. 2029 00:49:53,208 --> 00:49:55,458 I know the lyric gets the 2030 00:49:55,458 --> 00:49:57,708 the father to into your hands 2031 00:49:57,708 --> 00:49:59,125 I commend my spirit. 2032 00:49:59,125 --> 00:50:01,458 Section of Chop Suey. 2033 00:50:01,458 --> 00:50:03,041 I heard that interview, too. 2034 00:50:03,041 --> 00:50:05,125 I think it's fascinating. 2035 00:50:05,125 --> 00:50:07,000 I mean, I'm 2036 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,791 I'm not religious at all, but 2037 00:50:08,791 --> 00:50:11,041 but I do identify with, like, 2038 00:50:11,041 --> 00:50:12,375 I do recognize 2039 00:50:12,375 --> 00:50:14,125 that, creativity 2040 00:50:14,125 --> 00:50:15,000 feels like you're 2041 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:15,916 channeling something. 2042 00:50:15,916 --> 00:50:17,208 It doesn't feel like you. 2043 00:50:17,208 --> 00:50:18,291 Like you feel like you're 2044 00:50:18,291 --> 00:50:19,750 you're the 2045 00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:20,291 the thing 2046 00:50:20,291 --> 00:50:20,833 is, coming 2047 00:50:20,833 --> 00:50:21,791 from somewhere else. 2048 00:50:21,791 --> 00:50:23,208 And I don't know, like, 2049 00:50:23,208 --> 00:50:24,708 I, I think we 2050 00:50:24,708 --> 00:50:25,750 what I do think 2051 00:50:25,750 --> 00:50:26,750 is that we all, 2052 00:50:26,750 --> 00:50:28,875 underestimate 2053 00:50:28,875 --> 00:50:30,750 to which extent our mind 2054 00:50:30,750 --> 00:50:32,083 creates our own realities. 2055 00:50:32,083 --> 00:50:33,041 Like, 2056 00:50:33,041 --> 00:50:34,250 how much of the universe 2057 00:50:34,250 --> 00:50:35,375 is actually, like, 2058 00:50:35,375 --> 00:50:37,041 how you are the universe 2059 00:50:37,041 --> 00:50:39,041 to, to a certain degree. 2060 00:50:39,041 --> 00:50:39,916 I mean, you're 2061 00:50:39,916 --> 00:50:40,916 you're not only in it, 2062 00:50:40,916 --> 00:50:41,750 you are it, 2063 00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:44,750 and it's it's, 2064 00:50:44,750 --> 00:50:47,000 it's sort of like letting, 2065 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,291 letting not not 2066 00:50:48,291 --> 00:50:50,375 letting the egos stand 2067 00:50:50,375 --> 00:50:51,583 in the way of the self 2068 00:50:51,583 --> 00:50:52,541 for a while or 2069 00:50:52,541 --> 00:50:53,541 something like that. 2070 00:50:53,541 --> 00:50:54,208 There's there's 2071 00:50:54,208 --> 00:50:55,000 something to it. 2072 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:55,583 Yeah. 2073 00:50:55,583 --> 00:50:56,875 I, I just find it 2074 00:50:56,875 --> 00:50:58,458 fascinating to 2075 00:50:58,458 --> 00:50:59,291 to talk to, 2076 00:50:59,291 --> 00:51:00,375 to creative people 2077 00:51:00,375 --> 00:51:01,458 about their processes 2078 00:51:01,458 --> 00:51:02,708 because everyone 2079 00:51:02,708 --> 00:51:03,625 is different, 2080 00:51:03,625 --> 00:51:04,541 but everyone seems 2081 00:51:04,541 --> 00:51:05,750 to have this, 2082 00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:07,833 recurring theme 2083 00:51:07,833 --> 00:51:08,791 of of feeling 2084 00:51:08,791 --> 00:51:10,458 like they're they're doing 2085 00:51:10,458 --> 00:51:12,458 something else's work 2086 00:51:12,458 --> 00:51:13,541 and like, it's it's 2087 00:51:13,541 --> 00:51:15,125 not an ego thing. 2088 00:51:15,125 --> 00:51:15,583 When you 2089 00:51:15,583 --> 00:51:16,958 when you let go of that, 2090 00:51:16,958 --> 00:51:18,041 I think 2091 00:51:18,041 --> 00:51:19,041 what's Benny Andersson 2092 00:51:19,041 --> 00:51:20,000 from about that said, 2093 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,208 you just have to be 2094 00:51:21,208 --> 00:51:22,083 at the piano 2095 00:51:22,083 --> 00:51:23,791 when the song is in the room. 2096 00:51:23,791 --> 00:51:24,791 Which which I think 2097 00:51:24,791 --> 00:51:25,833 is a very, 2098 00:51:25,833 --> 00:51:27,166 very good way of putting it. 2099 00:51:28,583 --> 00:51:29,416 Anyway, let's 2100 00:51:29,416 --> 00:51:30,000 let's get back 2101 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,750 to reality and all your, 2102 00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:33,166 your encounters with, 2103 00:51:33,166 --> 00:51:34,333 you know, 2104 00:51:34,333 --> 00:51:36,791 skiing accident and, 2105 00:51:36,791 --> 00:51:39,791 running scooters into moose. 2106 00:51:39,958 --> 00:51:40,375 What's the 2107 00:51:40,375 --> 00:51:41,916 what's the plural of a moose 2108 00:51:41,916 --> 00:51:42,875 into Alex? 2109 00:51:42,875 --> 00:51:44,500 Is it Alex in Canada? 2110 00:51:44,500 --> 00:51:46,166 I mean, me, yeah, yeah. 2111 00:51:46,166 --> 00:51:48,875 Let's get back to Canada 2112 00:51:48,875 --> 00:51:49,375 for a while. 2113 00:51:49,375 --> 00:51:50,541 Skip the accident part. 2114 00:51:50,541 --> 00:51:51,583 Let's get back to Canada 2115 00:51:51,583 --> 00:51:53,125 for a while. Luke. 2116 00:51:53,125 --> 00:51:54,125 Yeah. Yeah, sure. 2117 00:51:54,125 --> 00:51:56,125 So, Yeah. 2118 00:51:56,125 --> 00:51:58,250 Canada. 2119 00:51:58,250 --> 00:51:59,750 It's it's it's 2120 00:51:59,750 --> 00:52:00,958 no secret, really. 2121 00:52:00,958 --> 00:52:02,291 The two of us are from 2122 00:52:02,291 --> 00:52:03,000 the same region. 2123 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:03,500 You been 2124 00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:04,333 you've been open about that. 2125 00:52:04,333 --> 00:52:06,166 You're from Alberta as well. 2126 00:52:06,166 --> 00:52:08,291 And, I spent. 2127 00:52:08,291 --> 00:52:10,625 Yeah, 20 years there. 2128 00:52:10,625 --> 00:52:12,958 I, I still consider myself 2129 00:52:12,958 --> 00:52:13,916 more Albert 2130 00:52:13,916 --> 00:52:15,625 and then Canadian. 2131 00:52:15,625 --> 00:52:16,500 I don't really 2132 00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:17,208 consider myself 2133 00:52:17,208 --> 00:52:18,166 Canadian at all, 2134 00:52:18,166 --> 00:52:19,125 to be honest. 2135 00:52:19,125 --> 00:52:20,208 It's it's 2136 00:52:20,208 --> 00:52:22,666 a really hard identity to 2137 00:52:22,666 --> 00:52:23,708 to feel 2138 00:52:23,708 --> 00:52:26,708 when much of the country 2139 00:52:26,791 --> 00:52:28,791 really doesn't like 2140 00:52:28,791 --> 00:52:29,791 the place that I'm 2141 00:52:29,791 --> 00:52:31,291 from in that country. 2142 00:52:33,041 --> 00:52:33,666 And, and. 2143 00:52:33,666 --> 00:52:34,250 Yeah, it's it's 2144 00:52:34,250 --> 00:52:35,833 been a tough decade 2145 00:52:35,833 --> 00:52:37,875 because of a certain 2146 00:52:37,875 --> 00:52:39,333 Justin Trudeau 2147 00:52:39,333 --> 00:52:41,625 and lots of things 2148 00:52:41,625 --> 00:52:43,125 that have been implemented 2149 00:52:43,125 --> 00:52:44,041 around that. 2150 00:52:44,041 --> 00:52:46,458 And yeah, 2151 00:52:46,458 --> 00:52:47,375 it's just been hard 2152 00:52:47,375 --> 00:52:49,333 and, and what's it, 2153 00:52:49,333 --> 00:52:50,083 what's it been like 2154 00:52:50,083 --> 00:52:51,333 being on the ground 2155 00:52:51,333 --> 00:52:54,250 in Alberta in the midst of 2156 00:52:54,250 --> 00:52:55,666 just this crazy 2157 00:52:55,666 --> 00:52:56,625 political climate 2158 00:52:56,625 --> 00:52:58,416 where it seems like the 2159 00:52:58,416 --> 00:52:59,166 the entire 2160 00:52:59,166 --> 00:52:59,833 rest of the country 2161 00:52:59,833 --> 00:53:02,041 is out to get us. 2162 00:53:02,041 --> 00:53:02,416 Yeah. 2163 00:53:02,416 --> 00:53:05,416 Well, it, I mean. 2164 00:53:08,416 --> 00:53:11,041 When you grow up in Canada, 2165 00:53:11,041 --> 00:53:12,166 you're bombarded 2166 00:53:12,166 --> 00:53:14,583 with bombarded by propaganda, 2167 00:53:14,583 --> 00:53:15,875 about 2168 00:53:15,875 --> 00:53:17,083 how much better 2169 00:53:17,083 --> 00:53:17,583 it is 2170 00:53:17,583 --> 00:53:20,291 to be Canadian than American 2171 00:53:20,291 --> 00:53:21,166 and how much 2172 00:53:21,166 --> 00:53:22,916 how fortunate we all are 2173 00:53:22,916 --> 00:53:24,000 to be Canadian 2174 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,625 instead of American, 2175 00:53:25,625 --> 00:53:28,250 and how Canada is exactly 2176 00:53:28,250 --> 00:53:30,541 the same place as America, 2177 00:53:30,541 --> 00:53:33,000 except with all the horrible, 2178 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,250 you know, 2179 00:53:34,250 --> 00:53:36,041 all the horrible stuff. 2180 00:53:36,041 --> 00:53:37,333 And I mean, like, 2181 00:53:38,416 --> 00:53:39,708 some things are certainly 2182 00:53:39,708 --> 00:53:40,791 true in that regard. 2183 00:53:40,791 --> 00:53:41,708 Like, 2184 00:53:41,708 --> 00:53:43,875 but probably 30 years ago, 2185 00:53:43,875 --> 00:53:45,041 I don't think they're true 2186 00:53:45,041 --> 00:53:46,583 any anymore. 2187 00:53:46,583 --> 00:53:49,583 In, in terms of, like, 2188 00:53:50,333 --> 00:53:51,166 just the levels, 2189 00:53:51,166 --> 00:53:53,291 they're a big, like, 2190 00:53:53,291 --> 00:53:54,250 propaganda talking 2191 00:53:54,250 --> 00:53:55,041 point in Canada. 2192 00:53:55,041 --> 00:53:56,083 It's like all the crime 2193 00:53:56,083 --> 00:53:57,625 in the United States 2194 00:53:57,625 --> 00:53:59,166 and, 30 years ago, 2195 00:53:59,166 --> 00:53:59,375 like, 2196 00:53:59,375 --> 00:54:00,666 that was definitely accurate. 2197 00:54:00,666 --> 00:54:02,000 There's extreme 2198 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,125 like way, way, way 2199 00:54:03,125 --> 00:54:05,041 more and more horrific crime 2200 00:54:05,041 --> 00:54:05,875 in the United States 2201 00:54:05,875 --> 00:54:07,291 and in Canada. 2202 00:54:07,291 --> 00:54:09,250 But due to certain policies 2203 00:54:09,250 --> 00:54:10,000 which are illegal 2204 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,458 to talk about, 2205 00:54:11,458 --> 00:54:14,041 that crime is just here now 2206 00:54:14,041 --> 00:54:15,916 and it's just equally as bad 2207 00:54:15,916 --> 00:54:17,083 as in the United States 2208 00:54:17,083 --> 00:54:18,291 and in some places, 2209 00:54:18,291 --> 00:54:18,708 you know, 2210 00:54:18,708 --> 00:54:20,500 you could call it worse. 2211 00:54:20,500 --> 00:54:21,708 And that's, 2212 00:54:21,708 --> 00:54:22,666 that's horrible. 2213 00:54:22,666 --> 00:54:23,291 I think, like, 2214 00:54:23,291 --> 00:54:25,250 the most devastating 2215 00:54:25,250 --> 00:54:26,416 if I was to restart 2216 00:54:26,416 --> 00:54:28,625 my entire life over again, 2217 00:54:28,625 --> 00:54:30,791 the, the 2218 00:54:30,791 --> 00:54:32,083 within 30 minutes 2219 00:54:32,083 --> 00:54:33,583 of turning 18, 2220 00:54:33,583 --> 00:54:34,416 I would have been across 2221 00:54:34,416 --> 00:54:35,208 the border 2222 00:54:35,208 --> 00:54:36,708 in pursuit of becoming a U.S. 2223 00:54:36,708 --> 00:54:37,250 citizen. 2224 00:54:38,333 --> 00:54:40,125 And at that time, it, 2225 00:54:40,125 --> 00:54:40,833 you know, 2226 00:54:40,833 --> 00:54:41,875 some an entity 2227 00:54:41,875 --> 00:54:42,833 like the IRS 2228 00:54:42,833 --> 00:54:43,416 would just not 2229 00:54:43,416 --> 00:54:44,708 really be concerning 2230 00:54:44,708 --> 00:54:45,791 or scary. 2231 00:54:45,791 --> 00:54:46,666 And, 2232 00:54:46,666 --> 00:54:47,791 you would just kind of fall. 2233 00:54:47,791 --> 00:54:48,750 And I say to you, 2234 00:54:48,750 --> 00:54:49,666 a lot of my American 2235 00:54:49,666 --> 00:54:50,666 friends are born there. 2236 00:54:50,666 --> 00:54:50,833 Like, 2237 00:54:50,833 --> 00:54:52,125 you guys are just so lucky 2238 00:54:52,125 --> 00:54:53,291 that you're 2239 00:54:53,291 --> 00:54:54,666 you're already hooked on 2240 00:54:54,666 --> 00:54:57,500 onto the IRS because, like, 2241 00:54:57,500 --> 00:54:59,208 you can just rock and roll 2242 00:54:59,208 --> 00:54:59,916 and crush it 2243 00:54:59,916 --> 00:55:01,000 in the United States, 2244 00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,458 where it's like anybody else 2245 00:55:02,458 --> 00:55:03,166 in the world. 2246 00:55:03,166 --> 00:55:03,375 Like, 2247 00:55:03,375 --> 00:55:06,000 I think that the main deter 2248 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,041 from moving 2249 00:55:07,041 --> 00:55:07,958 to the United States 2250 00:55:07,958 --> 00:55:09,041 and becoming a citizen 2251 00:55:09,041 --> 00:55:10,291 is just like taking on 2252 00:55:10,291 --> 00:55:12,833 that kind of obligation. 2253 00:55:12,833 --> 00:55:15,833 That and 2254 00:55:16,291 --> 00:55:17,750 but I can tell you 2255 00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:18,666 that, like, Canada 2256 00:55:18,666 --> 00:55:19,541 is full blown, 2257 00:55:19,541 --> 00:55:21,000 a second world country. 2258 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,125 It is 2259 00:55:22,125 --> 00:55:24,250 you you notice the transition 2260 00:55:24,250 --> 00:55:25,541 into a first world country. 2261 00:55:25,541 --> 00:55:26,083 The second 2262 00:55:26,083 --> 00:55:27,166 you cross the border 2263 00:55:27,166 --> 00:55:28,375 into the United States. 2264 00:55:30,291 --> 00:55:31,833 It's just 2265 00:55:31,833 --> 00:55:33,333 we're really 2266 00:55:33,333 --> 00:55:34,666 in big trouble up here. 2267 00:55:34,666 --> 00:55:36,333 And that sucks 2268 00:55:36,333 --> 00:55:37,416 because we don't. 2269 00:55:37,416 --> 00:55:38,666 We shouldn't be, 2270 00:55:38,666 --> 00:55:39,791 it seems like 2271 00:55:39,791 --> 00:55:40,583 the whole country 2272 00:55:40,583 --> 00:55:41,583 has just been kind of 2273 00:55:41,583 --> 00:55:43,333 sold out down the river, 2274 00:55:43,333 --> 00:55:44,500 and that 2275 00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:45,916 the greatness that we, 2276 00:55:45,916 --> 00:55:47,041 the great potential 2277 00:55:47,041 --> 00:55:48,333 that we have here 2278 00:55:48,333 --> 00:55:50,416 is just being a crushed 2279 00:55:50,416 --> 00:55:51,791 and stamped out 2280 00:55:51,791 --> 00:55:54,375 because, 2281 00:55:54,375 --> 00:55:55,666 where we're being seized 2282 00:55:55,666 --> 00:55:57,208 from and it's kind of 2283 00:55:57,208 --> 00:55:58,000 if we develop 2284 00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,208 our own power here, 2285 00:55:59,208 --> 00:56:00,041 then we can't be 2286 00:56:00,041 --> 00:56:00,750 kind of looted 2287 00:56:00,750 --> 00:56:01,375 and pillaged 2288 00:56:01,375 --> 00:56:04,000 by other forces in the world. 2289 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,416 And, yeah, 2290 00:56:05,416 --> 00:56:06,416 I think the biggest thing 2291 00:56:06,416 --> 00:56:08,833 over the last, like 2292 00:56:08,833 --> 00:56:10,583 five, ten years 2293 00:56:10,583 --> 00:56:13,000 has just been, 2294 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,916 fighting, 2295 00:56:15,916 --> 00:56:17,833 not leaving, 2296 00:56:17,833 --> 00:56:19,333 like, for a long time. 2297 00:56:19,333 --> 00:56:21,750 Family kind of kept me here. 2298 00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:23,041 But, recently 2299 00:56:23,041 --> 00:56:24,166 that sort of changed. 2300 00:56:25,791 --> 00:56:28,791 And I like, 2301 00:56:28,791 --> 00:56:30,583 think about leaving 2302 00:56:30,583 --> 00:56:32,041 ever, every day. 2303 00:56:32,041 --> 00:56:34,166 But what gives me hope 2304 00:56:34,166 --> 00:56:36,375 is that in Alberta, 2305 00:56:36,375 --> 00:56:37,166 a lot of people 2306 00:56:37,166 --> 00:56:37,958 are really kind of 2307 00:56:37,958 --> 00:56:39,625 feeling the same way. 2308 00:56:39,625 --> 00:56:40,541 And this 2309 00:56:40,541 --> 00:56:42,458 sort of separation, 2310 00:56:42,458 --> 00:56:44,291 from Canada 2311 00:56:44,291 --> 00:56:45,333 is really starting 2312 00:56:45,333 --> 00:56:46,791 to gain a lot of legs 2313 00:56:46,791 --> 00:56:48,083 and a lot of speed. 2314 00:56:48,083 --> 00:56:49,208 And, 2315 00:56:49,208 --> 00:56:49,875 you know, 2316 00:56:49,875 --> 00:56:51,041 25 years ago, 2317 00:56:51,041 --> 00:56:51,666 if you talked 2318 00:56:51,666 --> 00:56:53,541 about separation 2319 00:56:53,541 --> 00:56:54,375 from Canada, 2320 00:56:54,375 --> 00:56:56,291 like very even at that time, 2321 00:56:56,291 --> 00:56:57,333 because 25 years ago 2322 00:56:57,333 --> 00:56:58,125 we still had like 2323 00:56:58,125 --> 00:56:59,541 the National Energy Program 2324 00:56:59,541 --> 00:57:00,666 and all kinds of 2325 00:57:00,666 --> 00:57:02,166 really communist crap 2326 00:57:02,166 --> 00:57:03,458 that totally abuses 2327 00:57:03,458 --> 00:57:03,875 the wealth 2328 00:57:03,875 --> 00:57:05,083 generated in Alberta 2329 00:57:05,083 --> 00:57:06,375 and then takes the money 2330 00:57:06,375 --> 00:57:07,333 generated in Alberta 2331 00:57:07,333 --> 00:57:08,416 and redistributed 2332 00:57:08,416 --> 00:57:10,791 to the rest of Canada. 2333 00:57:10,791 --> 00:57:12,500 But then so, so 2334 00:57:12,500 --> 00:57:13,791 lots of people wouldn't 2335 00:57:13,791 --> 00:57:15,541 really before the separatism. 2336 00:57:15,541 --> 00:57:18,166 But today it's it's 2337 00:57:18,166 --> 00:57:19,041 the conversation 2338 00:57:19,041 --> 00:57:20,291 has totally changed. 2339 00:57:20,291 --> 00:57:21,166 It's gone from 2340 00:57:21,166 --> 00:57:22,541 why would we do that 2341 00:57:22,541 --> 00:57:24,166 to we'd never be able 2342 00:57:24,166 --> 00:57:25,125 to do that 2343 00:57:25,125 --> 00:57:25,583 to that 2344 00:57:25,583 --> 00:57:26,583 would be really awesome 2345 00:57:26,583 --> 00:57:28,333 if we could do that to now 2346 00:57:28,333 --> 00:57:29,083 finally, like, 2347 00:57:29,083 --> 00:57:30,875 how do we do this? 2348 00:57:30,875 --> 00:57:32,791 And that gives me, 2349 00:57:32,791 --> 00:57:34,916 that makes me really excited 2350 00:57:34,916 --> 00:57:36,041 to be in Alberta 2351 00:57:36,041 --> 00:57:36,916 and kind of 2352 00:57:36,916 --> 00:57:39,125 be early on this shift, 2353 00:57:39,125 --> 00:57:41,125 because if you strip away 2354 00:57:41,125 --> 00:57:42,041 the federal government 2355 00:57:42,041 --> 00:57:44,208 of Canada, Alberta is 2356 00:57:44,208 --> 00:57:46,250 one of the greatest places, 2357 00:57:46,250 --> 00:57:47,416 in the world. 2358 00:57:47,416 --> 00:57:49,166 And every, everywhere 2359 00:57:49,166 --> 00:57:49,875 I've ever been 2360 00:57:49,875 --> 00:57:51,041 and ever visited, I'm 2361 00:57:51,041 --> 00:57:52,416 always really, really happy 2362 00:57:52,416 --> 00:57:54,208 to come home to Alberta. 2363 00:57:54,208 --> 00:57:55,333 Like, 2364 00:57:55,333 --> 00:57:56,041 one of the main 2365 00:57:56,041 --> 00:57:56,958 things I talk about 2366 00:57:56,958 --> 00:57:58,291 is that there, there's 2367 00:57:58,291 --> 00:57:59,625 just nobody here. 2368 00:57:59,625 --> 00:58:00,375 We have, like, 2369 00:58:00,375 --> 00:58:01,750 a very low population. 2370 00:58:01,750 --> 00:58:03,083 And that's also changed 2371 00:58:03,083 --> 00:58:04,125 aggressively 2372 00:58:04,125 --> 00:58:04,666 over the last 2373 00:58:04,666 --> 00:58:05,208 couple of years. 2374 00:58:05,208 --> 00:58:06,208 But as soon as you're out of, 2375 00:58:06,208 --> 00:58:08,250 like, the sludge core cities, 2376 00:58:08,250 --> 00:58:09,166 there really 2377 00:58:09,166 --> 00:58:10,291 isn't a lot of people. 2378 00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:12,500 So it feels 2379 00:58:12,500 --> 00:58:13,541 like, very spacious 2380 00:58:13,541 --> 00:58:14,416 and very comfortable 2381 00:58:14,416 --> 00:58:15,625 in that way. 2382 00:58:15,625 --> 00:58:17,791 And so it's my hope, 2383 00:58:17,791 --> 00:58:18,958 looking into the future, 2384 00:58:18,958 --> 00:58:20,333 that Alberta can separate 2385 00:58:20,333 --> 00:58:21,041 from Canada 2386 00:58:21,041 --> 00:58:22,458 and we can develop our 2387 00:58:22,458 --> 00:58:23,916 oil and gas industries, 2388 00:58:23,916 --> 00:58:24,541 and we can take 2389 00:58:24,541 --> 00:58:25,208 other parts 2390 00:58:25,208 --> 00:58:26,416 of, Saskatchewan, 2391 00:58:26,416 --> 00:58:27,083 British Columbia 2392 00:58:27,083 --> 00:58:28,125 on either side 2393 00:58:28,125 --> 00:58:29,041 with us, 2394 00:58:29,041 --> 00:58:30,041 and build 2395 00:58:30,041 --> 00:58:33,041 like a super power country. 2396 00:58:33,083 --> 00:58:34,166 And having it 2397 00:58:34,166 --> 00:58:35,375 having it's small enough 2398 00:58:35,375 --> 00:58:36,416 that, you know, 2399 00:58:36,416 --> 00:58:37,250 we don't have 2400 00:58:37,250 --> 00:58:38,166 the sort of negative 2401 00:58:38,166 --> 00:58:40,125 effects of a nation state, 2402 00:58:40,125 --> 00:58:41,416 but big enough 2403 00:58:41,416 --> 00:58:43,125 that we have the ability 2404 00:58:43,125 --> 00:58:44,500 to kind of really develop 2405 00:58:44,500 --> 00:58:45,583 out our resources 2406 00:58:45,583 --> 00:58:46,250 and really 2407 00:58:46,250 --> 00:58:47,958 become a prosperous society. 2408 00:58:47,958 --> 00:58:49,541 So 2409 00:58:49,541 --> 00:58:50,125 for that, 2410 00:58:50,125 --> 00:58:51,166 I really hope 2411 00:58:51,166 --> 00:58:52,208 to always be here. 2412 00:58:52,208 --> 00:58:53,375 But at the same time, like, 2413 00:58:53,375 --> 00:58:53,958 I'm kind of 2414 00:58:53,958 --> 00:58:54,916 keeping an eye out 2415 00:58:54,916 --> 00:58:56,000 because it just 2416 00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,166 can keep getting worse 2417 00:58:57,166 --> 00:58:58,125 and worse and worse. 2418 00:58:58,125 --> 00:58:59,041 And like the taxes 2419 00:58:59,041 --> 00:58:59,708 just keep getting 2420 00:58:59,708 --> 00:59:00,500 higher and higher 2421 00:59:00,500 --> 00:59:01,666 and like a huge motivator 2422 00:59:01,666 --> 00:59:02,500 right now for me, 2423 00:59:02,500 --> 00:59:03,250 that's been poking 2424 00:59:03,250 --> 00:59:03,916 at me lately 2425 00:59:03,916 --> 00:59:05,166 for leaving Canada. 2426 00:59:05,166 --> 00:59:05,625 It's just that 2427 00:59:05,625 --> 00:59:07,125 the health care system 2428 00:59:07,125 --> 00:59:08,541 is so fucking bad 2429 00:59:08,541 --> 00:59:09,708 it's fucking impossible 2430 00:59:09,708 --> 00:59:11,125 to get a doctor. 2431 00:59:11,125 --> 00:59:13,875 You'll wait like four years 2432 00:59:13,875 --> 00:59:15,750 for a fucking surgery, 2433 00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:17,416 and then you'll come in 2434 00:59:17,416 --> 00:59:18,250 to do your surgery 2435 00:59:18,250 --> 00:59:19,250 and they'll just decide 2436 00:59:19,250 --> 00:59:20,083 that, actually, 2437 00:59:20,083 --> 00:59:20,958 we're not going to do it. 2438 00:59:22,208 --> 00:59:23,958 There's all kinds of, like, 2439 00:59:23,958 --> 00:59:25,250 horrible horror 2440 00:59:25,250 --> 00:59:25,875 stories 2441 00:59:25,875 --> 00:59:26,750 around the health care 2442 00:59:26,750 --> 00:59:27,333 system here 2443 00:59:27,333 --> 00:59:28,541 that are just drowned out 2444 00:59:28,541 --> 00:59:30,500 by our entirely state 2445 00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:32,000 controlled media. 2446 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,250 And that, 2447 00:59:33,250 --> 00:59:34,750 like, was not a problem 2448 00:59:34,750 --> 00:59:36,000 for me when I was younger. 2449 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,333 But now that I'm starting 2450 00:59:37,333 --> 00:59:38,833 to get old and break myself 2451 00:59:38,833 --> 00:59:41,833 a whole lot, I'm really, 2452 00:59:42,041 --> 00:59:43,541 I, I really care 2453 00:59:43,541 --> 00:59:45,375 about being able to access 2454 00:59:45,375 --> 00:59:46,625 good health care 2455 00:59:46,625 --> 00:59:48,000 and, like, something 2456 00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:48,958 a lot of people don't know 2457 00:59:48,958 --> 00:59:49,416 is that, like, 2458 00:59:49,416 --> 00:59:50,375 private health care in 2459 00:59:50,375 --> 00:59:52,000 Canada is illegal. 2460 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,083 So it's very difficult, 2461 00:59:54,083 --> 00:59:57,500 to get to get taken care of. 2462 00:59:57,500 --> 00:59:58,708 And there are tons of clinics 2463 00:59:58,708 --> 00:59:59,083 that, like, 2464 00:59:59,083 --> 01:00:00,708 find loopholes and ways 2465 01:00:00,708 --> 01:00:02,083 that they can provide 2466 01:00:02,083 --> 01:00:03,333 some level of private 2467 01:00:03,333 --> 01:00:04,583 care service. 2468 01:00:04,583 --> 01:00:05,833 But they're 2469 01:00:05,833 --> 01:00:07,291 all very limited, 2470 01:00:07,291 --> 01:00:08,166 very closed, 2471 01:00:08,166 --> 01:00:10,375 very difficult to get into. 2472 01:00:10,375 --> 01:00:11,250 And even 2473 01:00:11,250 --> 01:00:12,041 when you're involved 2474 01:00:12,041 --> 01:00:13,125 with them, mostly 2475 01:00:13,125 --> 01:00:13,708 what they are 2476 01:00:13,708 --> 01:00:14,958 is kind of onboarding you 2477 01:00:14,958 --> 01:00:15,625 to clinics 2478 01:00:15,625 --> 01:00:17,500 or doctors or hospitals 2479 01:00:17,500 --> 01:00:18,625 in the United States. 2480 01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:20,208 And then 2481 01:00:20,208 --> 01:00:20,833 you're having to 2482 01:00:20,833 --> 01:00:21,833 leave the country 2483 01:00:21,833 --> 01:00:22,666 to get sort of 2484 01:00:22,666 --> 01:00:23,625 procedures done 2485 01:00:23,625 --> 01:00:24,583 and pay for that 2486 01:00:24,583 --> 01:00:26,000 on top of being tax, 2487 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,958 you know, 50% of your income, 2488 01:00:27,958 --> 01:00:29,416 and then all the other 2489 01:00:29,416 --> 01:00:30,458 layers of taxes 2490 01:00:30,458 --> 01:00:32,500 that add up to roughly 2491 01:00:32,500 --> 01:00:35,750 75 to 80% of of the dollars 2492 01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:36,333 that you earn in 2493 01:00:36,333 --> 01:00:36,958 Canada are 2494 01:00:36,958 --> 01:00:38,958 taken by the state. 2495 01:00:38,958 --> 01:00:40,666 So, yeah, it's difficult, 2496 01:00:40,666 --> 01:00:41,416 but I'm hopeful 2497 01:00:41,416 --> 01:00:42,500 it will change. 2498 01:00:42,500 --> 01:00:42,916 And like, 2499 01:00:42,916 --> 01:00:46,125 Alberta is a ranching place. 2500 01:00:46,125 --> 01:00:47,750 It's an oil and gas place. 2501 01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:49,375 It's an innovative place. 2502 01:00:49,375 --> 01:00:50,500 It really does 2503 01:00:50,500 --> 01:00:51,541 have a lot of potential. 2504 01:00:51,541 --> 01:00:52,333 And if we can kind of 2505 01:00:52,333 --> 01:00:53,625 stop the brain drain 2506 01:00:53,625 --> 01:00:54,333 that's happening, 2507 01:00:54,333 --> 01:00:56,208 which, is happening 2508 01:00:56,208 --> 01:00:57,041 across Canada, 2509 01:00:57,041 --> 01:00:58,041 but very specifically 2510 01:00:58,041 --> 01:00:59,416 in Alberta, that, like, 2511 01:00:59,416 --> 01:01:00,916 all the super intelligent 2512 01:01:00,916 --> 01:01:02,750 and highly capable people, 2513 01:01:02,750 --> 01:01:04,333 just fucking leave. 2514 01:01:05,333 --> 01:01:06,416 Because I 2515 01:01:06,416 --> 01:01:07,250 can even just, 2516 01:01:07,250 --> 01:01:08,000 like, right now 2517 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:08,500 by, like, 2518 01:01:08,500 --> 01:01:09,166 moving into 2519 01:01:09,166 --> 01:01:10,250 the United States, 2520 01:01:10,250 --> 01:01:13,166 I can just five my wealth 2521 01:01:13,166 --> 01:01:14,208 and my net worth, 2522 01:01:14,208 --> 01:01:16,250 even with paying the even 2523 01:01:16,250 --> 01:01:17,125 with paying, 2524 01:01:17,125 --> 01:01:18,250 like the cost of living 2525 01:01:18,250 --> 01:01:19,125 in the United States 2526 01:01:19,125 --> 01:01:20,333 and all that, 2527 01:01:20,333 --> 01:01:21,416 it's not everywhere, 2528 01:01:21,416 --> 01:01:22,750 depending on where you choose 2529 01:01:22,750 --> 01:01:24,250 and just having access 2530 01:01:24,250 --> 01:01:26,166 to like a proper real market 2531 01:01:26,166 --> 01:01:27,583 and being able to 2532 01:01:27,583 --> 01:01:28,916 be surrounded by people 2533 01:01:28,916 --> 01:01:30,291 who are able to produce 2534 01:01:30,291 --> 01:01:31,958 like wealth at scale, 2535 01:01:31,958 --> 01:01:34,541 and that have like less 2536 01:01:34,541 --> 01:01:35,500 of the limitations 2537 01:01:35,500 --> 01:01:36,541 that exists in Canada 2538 01:01:36,541 --> 01:01:38,500 is so powerful. 2539 01:01:38,500 --> 01:01:39,708 So it's very tempting 2540 01:01:39,708 --> 01:01:42,208 to like to, to, to leave. 2541 01:01:42,208 --> 01:01:44,916 And I think that anyone 2542 01:01:44,916 --> 01:01:46,750 who really, 2543 01:01:46,750 --> 01:01:47,083 you know, 2544 01:01:47,083 --> 01:01:47,916 has it together, 2545 01:01:47,916 --> 01:01:48,750 that's exactly 2546 01:01:48,750 --> 01:01:49,583 what they do, is like, 2547 01:01:49,583 --> 01:01:51,250 get the hell out of here. 2548 01:01:51,250 --> 01:01:52,666 Which is really sad 2549 01:01:52,666 --> 01:01:53,291 because we just 2550 01:01:53,291 --> 01:01:54,375 lose a lot of the. 2551 01:01:54,375 --> 01:01:55,083 And then we're just. 2552 01:01:55,083 --> 01:01:55,958 I think that's why 2553 01:01:55,958 --> 01:01:56,666 we've become, like, 2554 01:01:56,666 --> 01:01:57,791 such a fucking 2555 01:01:57,791 --> 01:01:59,250 commie shithole place 2556 01:01:59,250 --> 01:02:00,083 is because 2557 01:02:00,083 --> 01:02:01,625 so many brilliant minds 2558 01:02:01,625 --> 01:02:02,833 have fucking left, 2559 01:02:02,833 --> 01:02:04,000 and we're kind of just left 2560 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:04,708 with all the 2561 01:02:04,708 --> 01:02:06,291 incompetent noobs 2562 01:02:06,291 --> 01:02:07,125 that, you know, 2563 01:02:07,125 --> 01:02:08,250 are more concerned 2564 01:02:08,250 --> 01:02:09,500 about taking 2565 01:02:09,500 --> 01:02:10,750 and stealing the wealth 2566 01:02:10,750 --> 01:02:11,541 that has been produced 2567 01:02:11,541 --> 01:02:12,375 by others 2568 01:02:12,375 --> 01:02:13,250 than finding a way 2569 01:02:13,250 --> 01:02:14,291 to generate their, 2570 01:02:14,291 --> 01:02:15,666 their own prosperity. 2571 01:02:16,833 --> 01:02:18,541 And it yeah, it sucks. 2572 01:02:18,541 --> 01:02:20,166 So 2573 01:02:20,166 --> 01:02:21,791 long rant, but 2574 01:02:21,791 --> 01:02:23,375 and you know, I agree 2575 01:02:23,375 --> 01:02:24,250 with so much of it. 2576 01:02:24,250 --> 01:02:25,208 I mean, I'm going to pretend 2577 01:02:25,208 --> 01:02:25,666 you haven't 2578 01:02:25,666 --> 01:02:26,708 been talking about me 2579 01:02:26,708 --> 01:02:27,541 giving me compliments 2580 01:02:27,541 --> 01:02:28,583 this whole time. 2581 01:02:28,583 --> 01:02:30,500 Because because I did, 2582 01:02:30,500 --> 01:02:33,750 I did leave, and, and, 2583 01:02:33,791 --> 01:02:35,041 you know, the circumstances 2584 01:02:35,041 --> 01:02:36,250 for that weren't like, 2585 01:02:36,250 --> 01:02:37,750 I wasn't desperate to leave. 2586 01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:38,750 But the thing was, 2587 01:02:38,750 --> 01:02:39,500 as soon as I got 2588 01:02:39,500 --> 01:02:42,333 the opportunity, I took it. 2589 01:02:42,333 --> 01:02:43,916 And one of the reasons for 2590 01:02:43,916 --> 01:02:45,125 that was just because there 2591 01:02:45,125 --> 01:02:46,000 there was no job 2592 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:47,083 security here. 2593 01:02:47,083 --> 01:02:49,875 None like any of the oil 2594 01:02:49,875 --> 01:02:51,250 and gas companies here 2595 01:02:51,250 --> 01:02:52,791 could go on a layoff spree 2596 01:02:52,791 --> 01:02:53,666 at any time, 2597 01:02:53,666 --> 01:02:55,041 and everyone would understand 2598 01:02:55,041 --> 01:02:56,750 and know why, right? 2599 01:02:56,750 --> 01:02:57,833 Because because just 2600 01:02:57,833 --> 01:02:58,666 the economic 2601 01:02:58,666 --> 01:03:00,666 conditions sucked. 2602 01:03:00,666 --> 01:03:02,625 And and so taking 2603 01:03:02,625 --> 01:03:03,541 that way out 2604 01:03:03,541 --> 01:03:04,541 that that lifeline 2605 01:03:04,541 --> 01:03:05,708 I mean 2606 01:03:05,708 --> 01:03:07,500 I've got a lot of FOMO for, 2607 01:03:07,500 --> 01:03:08,250 for not 2608 01:03:08,250 --> 01:03:08,916 being in the 2609 01:03:08,916 --> 01:03:09,791 Alberta community 2610 01:03:09,791 --> 01:03:10,750 because it seems like there's 2611 01:03:10,750 --> 01:03:11,625 a lot of awesome stuff 2612 01:03:11,625 --> 01:03:12,208 going on there. 2613 01:03:12,208 --> 01:03:13,166 At the same time, 2614 01:03:13,166 --> 01:03:14,083 I really think 2615 01:03:14,083 --> 01:03:15,791 it would be hard 2616 01:03:15,791 --> 01:03:17,541 to to live in the conditions 2617 01:03:17,541 --> 01:03:18,916 you're you're talking about. 2618 01:03:18,916 --> 01:03:19,666 I mean, 2619 01:03:19,666 --> 01:03:20,666 I mean, 2620 01:03:20,666 --> 01:03:21,541 where, where I've, 2621 01:03:21,541 --> 01:03:22,583 where I've gone to is, 2622 01:03:22,583 --> 01:03:24,041 is definitely not this, 2623 01:03:24,041 --> 01:03:25,083 this like, 2624 01:03:25,083 --> 01:03:26,750 libertarian Paradise 2625 01:03:26,750 --> 01:03:27,458 by any means. 2626 01:03:27,458 --> 01:03:28,708 But but Finland 2627 01:03:28,708 --> 01:03:29,750 is culturally 2628 01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:31,541 a lot like Alberta, 2629 01:03:31,541 --> 01:03:32,375 and certainly 2630 01:03:32,375 --> 01:03:32,750 I would say 2631 01:03:32,750 --> 01:03:33,500 Alberta compared 2632 01:03:33,500 --> 01:03:36,250 to other parts of, of Canada 2633 01:03:36,250 --> 01:03:36,833 in that 2634 01:03:36,833 --> 01:03:38,291 it is very individualistic, 2635 01:03:38,291 --> 01:03:39,500 despite having 2636 01:03:39,500 --> 01:03:41,500 a pretty big state there. 2637 01:03:41,500 --> 01:03:43,458 But but the thing is, 2638 01:03:44,416 --> 01:03:45,375 there isn't this, 2639 01:03:45,375 --> 01:03:46,541 this constant stress 2640 01:03:46,541 --> 01:03:47,000 that everything 2641 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:47,958 is going to 2642 01:03:47,958 --> 01:03:49,166 going to just crumble. 2643 01:03:49,166 --> 01:03:50,125 And I mean, that was 2644 01:03:50,125 --> 01:03:51,250 that was the biggest thing. 2645 01:03:51,250 --> 01:03:51,916 And I, 2646 01:03:51,916 --> 01:03:53,250 I think if Alberta were able 2647 01:03:53,250 --> 01:03:54,791 to actually achieve 2648 01:03:54,791 --> 01:03:55,625 some measure 2649 01:03:55,625 --> 01:03:56,958 of independence and, 2650 01:03:56,958 --> 01:03:58,000 and not constantly 2651 01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:58,583 having the rest 2652 01:03:58,583 --> 01:03:59,750 of the country 2653 01:03:59,750 --> 01:04:00,625 take, take, 2654 01:04:00,625 --> 01:04:01,541 take this, 2655 01:04:01,541 --> 01:04:02,000 this is 2656 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:02,500 this is just 2657 01:04:02,500 --> 01:04:04,000 the ridiculous thing. 2658 01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:04,541 Every year 2659 01:04:04,541 --> 01:04:04,916 when, 2660 01:04:04,916 --> 01:04:06,000 when the new 2661 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,750 equalization payments 2662 01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:09,416 come out, the, the, 2663 01:04:09,416 --> 01:04:10,750 the for for those 2664 01:04:10,750 --> 01:04:11,791 who don't know, like the, 2665 01:04:11,791 --> 01:04:13,958 the the system of payments 2666 01:04:13,958 --> 01:04:15,041 from the so-called 2667 01:04:15,041 --> 01:04:16,500 have provinces in Canada 2668 01:04:16,500 --> 01:04:18,166 to the so-called have nots 2669 01:04:18,166 --> 01:04:21,208 and it's really, Quebec, 2670 01:04:21,208 --> 01:04:22,541 the French speaking region is 2671 01:04:22,541 --> 01:04:23,750 is mostly the is 2672 01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:24,333 most of the, 2673 01:04:24,333 --> 01:04:25,041 the have nots 2674 01:04:25,041 --> 01:04:26,333 and Alberta and Saskatchewan 2675 01:04:26,333 --> 01:04:27,875 and the producing provinces 2676 01:04:27,875 --> 01:04:29,625 are the big haves. 2677 01:04:29,625 --> 01:04:30,250 It's just it's 2678 01:04:30,250 --> 01:04:31,250 just ridiculous to me. 2679 01:04:31,250 --> 01:04:32,416 Like that's it's 2680 01:04:32,416 --> 01:04:33,583 such a blunt instrument. 2681 01:04:33,583 --> 01:04:34,333 That's not the way 2682 01:04:34,333 --> 01:04:35,291 to, to do it. 2683 01:04:35,291 --> 01:04:35,916 And 2684 01:04:35,916 --> 01:04:37,250 and it just creates 2685 01:04:37,250 --> 01:04:39,000 this, this resentment 2686 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:39,750 and it creates 2687 01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:41,083 a dependance as well. 2688 01:04:41,083 --> 01:04:41,583 Of course. 2689 01:04:41,583 --> 01:04:42,750 I mean, 2690 01:04:42,750 --> 01:04:43,333 we can cycle 2691 01:04:43,333 --> 01:04:44,083 back to something else 2692 01:04:44,083 --> 01:04:45,208 you said about, 2693 01:04:45,208 --> 01:04:47,708 really just the the 2694 01:04:49,041 --> 01:04:50,333 culture of 2695 01:04:50,333 --> 01:04:51,166 being 2696 01:04:51,166 --> 01:04:53,083 dependent and of, of 2697 01:04:53,083 --> 01:04:54,458 thinking it's normal 2698 01:04:54,458 --> 01:04:56,958 to, to have society 2699 01:04:56,958 --> 01:04:58,416 be based on 2700 01:04:58,416 --> 01:04:59,958 taking from other people. 2701 01:04:59,958 --> 01:05:01,541 Like, 2702 01:05:01,541 --> 01:05:03,375 the thing about Rand's 2703 01:05:03,375 --> 01:05:05,750 work, Atlas Shrugged, 2704 01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:06,416 and I think the thing 2705 01:05:06,416 --> 01:05:07,250 that really gets me 2706 01:05:07,250 --> 01:05:08,791 there is it's just that 2707 01:05:08,791 --> 01:05:09,833 when people have had enough, 2708 01:05:09,833 --> 01:05:10,333 they're just going to 2709 01:05:10,333 --> 01:05:11,750 opt out. 2710 01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:13,000 Like, 2711 01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,916 I, I care about my family. 2712 01:05:15,916 --> 01:05:17,250 I care about my 2713 01:05:17,250 --> 01:05:19,333 my friends, my community. 2714 01:05:19,333 --> 01:05:22,250 I'm I'm going to help them, 2715 01:05:22,250 --> 01:05:25,541 but not if I'm forced to 2716 01:05:25,583 --> 01:05:27,375 write like, I'm not going. 2717 01:05:27,375 --> 01:05:29,875 If I'm forced to help 2718 01:05:29,875 --> 01:05:31,333 the entire rest 2719 01:05:31,333 --> 01:05:32,875 of my country, whatever. 2720 01:05:32,875 --> 01:05:33,916 Like. 2721 01:05:33,916 --> 01:05:35,625 And I have no control over 2722 01:05:35,625 --> 01:05:36,250 what's going on. 2723 01:05:36,250 --> 01:05:36,708 It's just 2724 01:05:36,708 --> 01:05:37,458 there's a breaking 2725 01:05:37,458 --> 01:05:38,083 point, right? 2726 01:05:38,083 --> 01:05:39,875 No matter how good 2727 01:05:39,875 --> 01:05:41,083 conditions are. 2728 01:05:41,083 --> 01:05:42,583 And I think that's the thing 2729 01:05:42,583 --> 01:05:43,541 that that, 2730 01:05:43,541 --> 01:05:47,500 none of the people who are 2731 01:05:48,041 --> 01:05:51,041 left leaning or even even 2732 01:05:51,291 --> 01:05:51,791 all the way 2733 01:05:51,791 --> 01:05:53,250 call me basically in Canada, 2734 01:05:53,250 --> 01:05:55,000 really get across the world. 2735 01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,875 But I'm familiar with Canada. 2736 01:05:56,875 --> 01:05:58,333 Like I see people online 2737 01:05:58,333 --> 01:06:00,250 talking about how Trudeau 2738 01:06:00,250 --> 01:06:02,541 is actually awesome 2739 01:06:02,541 --> 01:06:04,791 and the Conservative Party 2740 01:06:04,791 --> 01:06:07,125 is only just going to, 2741 01:06:07,125 --> 01:06:07,875 you know, 2742 01:06:07,875 --> 01:06:08,958 cut all these services 2743 01:06:08,958 --> 01:06:09,791 and make everything worse. 2744 01:06:09,791 --> 01:06:10,583 And, I mean, maybe they are 2745 01:06:10,583 --> 01:06:11,125 maybe they are going 2746 01:06:11,125 --> 01:06:11,916 to make everything worse. 2747 01:06:11,916 --> 01:06:13,333 I, I'm not pretending that, 2748 01:06:13,333 --> 01:06:14,750 the politics is the 2749 01:06:14,750 --> 01:06:15,375 is the cure 2750 01:06:15,375 --> 01:06:16,375 all here, 2751 01:06:16,375 --> 01:06:19,375 but it's it's just crazy how, 2752 01:06:19,375 --> 01:06:21,166 there's always talk 2753 01:06:21,166 --> 01:06:22,875 about about 2754 01:06:22,875 --> 01:06:24,041 putting in your fair 2755 01:06:24,041 --> 01:06:27,041 share into society and, 2756 01:06:27,416 --> 01:06:28,708 and that 2757 01:06:28,708 --> 01:06:30,041 millionaires and billionaires 2758 01:06:30,041 --> 01:06:30,916 and the most successful 2759 01:06:30,916 --> 01:06:32,083 have to pay more, pay more, 2760 01:06:32,083 --> 01:06:33,708 pay more like 2761 01:06:33,708 --> 01:06:34,166 like it's 2762 01:06:34,166 --> 01:06:34,666 all about the 2763 01:06:34,666 --> 01:06:35,750 percentage of tax 2764 01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:37,125 that you pay. 2765 01:06:37,125 --> 01:06:39,500 And it's really just, 2766 01:06:39,500 --> 01:06:41,208 it's it's so infuriating 2767 01:06:41,208 --> 01:06:42,750 because because that money 2768 01:06:42,750 --> 01:06:44,125 can be so much better spent. 2769 01:06:44,125 --> 01:06:44,541 Just 2770 01:06:45,833 --> 01:06:47,208 if I could just funnel money 2771 01:06:47,208 --> 01:06:48,958 into into my business, 2772 01:06:48,958 --> 01:06:51,041 if I could just help out 2773 01:06:51,041 --> 01:06:52,208 where I want to help out. 2774 01:06:52,208 --> 01:06:52,875 You know, 2775 01:06:52,875 --> 01:06:54,916 my buddy needs a boost, 2776 01:06:54,916 --> 01:06:56,500 because 2777 01:06:56,500 --> 01:06:58,208 he's in trouble temporarily. 2778 01:06:58,208 --> 01:06:58,625 Whatever. 2779 01:06:58,625 --> 01:06:59,833 Or there's some charity 2780 01:06:59,833 --> 01:07:00,750 that I. 2781 01:07:00,750 --> 01:07:02,916 I actually like. Right. 2782 01:07:02,916 --> 01:07:04,250 I'm going to do that. 2783 01:07:04,250 --> 01:07:05,833 But if it's all taken away, 2784 01:07:05,833 --> 01:07:06,500 that incentive 2785 01:07:06,500 --> 01:07:07,333 just goes away. 2786 01:07:07,333 --> 01:07:08,791 And so, 2787 01:07:08,791 --> 01:07:09,583 yeah, I'm, I'm 2788 01:07:09,583 --> 01:07:12,583 just I'm just honestly, 2789 01:07:12,666 --> 01:07:14,000 I really hope that 2790 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,291 that Alberta can actually 2791 01:07:16,291 --> 01:07:17,625 achieve independence. 2792 01:07:17,625 --> 01:07:18,708 I really want that. 2793 01:07:18,708 --> 01:07:20,000 I, I think that's, 2794 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,208 that's going to be good for, 2795 01:07:21,208 --> 01:07:22,541 for Canada. 2796 01:07:22,541 --> 01:07:24,375 To, to get its lifeline 2797 01:07:24,375 --> 01:07:25,000 taken away. 2798 01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:25,666 And that's going to be good 2799 01:07:25,666 --> 01:07:29,500 for Alberta and, well, 2800 01:07:29,500 --> 01:07:31,125 I think a trend 2801 01:07:31,125 --> 01:07:32,333 anyway, worldwide 2802 01:07:32,333 --> 01:07:33,041 is going to be 2803 01:07:33,041 --> 01:07:35,083 some of this fragmenting, 2804 01:07:35,083 --> 01:07:35,583 you know, 2805 01:07:35,583 --> 01:07:37,416 that some of these bigger 2806 01:07:37,416 --> 01:07:39,208 countries and bigger, 2807 01:07:39,208 --> 01:07:40,583 associations 2808 01:07:40,583 --> 01:07:41,333 are going to start 2809 01:07:41,333 --> 01:07:42,291 to decentralize more. 2810 01:07:42,291 --> 01:07:43,250 There's even talk about that 2811 01:07:43,250 --> 01:07:44,041 in the States, right. 2812 01:07:44,041 --> 01:07:46,750 So, yeah, what do you 2813 01:07:46,750 --> 01:07:47,750 what do you think about that? 2814 01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:48,375 Like the, 2815 01:07:48,375 --> 01:07:50,375 the way things are going. 2816 01:07:50,375 --> 01:07:51,041 Well, I mean, 2817 01:07:51,041 --> 01:07:53,708 I think often about 2818 01:07:53,708 --> 01:07:55,875 how in a free society, 2819 01:07:55,875 --> 01:07:58,875 if you want to help the poor 2820 01:07:58,875 --> 01:08:00,000 or the less fortunate 2821 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,458 or you want to make 2822 01:08:01,458 --> 01:08:03,500 a, a contribution, 2823 01:08:03,500 --> 01:08:05,125 nobody will stop 2824 01:08:05,125 --> 01:08:07,083 you from doing that. 2825 01:08:07,083 --> 01:08:09,708 And the the state 2826 01:08:09,708 --> 01:08:10,416 of the world, 2827 01:08:10,416 --> 01:08:11,333 like the governments of the 2828 01:08:11,333 --> 01:08:13,041 world, have really 2829 01:08:14,291 --> 01:08:15,791 put a lot of money and a 2830 01:08:15,791 --> 01:08:16,458 lot of time 2831 01:08:16,458 --> 01:08:17,416 and a lot of effort 2832 01:08:17,416 --> 01:08:19,416 into convincing us that 2833 01:08:19,416 --> 01:08:20,250 if it wasn't 2834 01:08:20,250 --> 01:08:23,250 for their benevolent grace, 2835 01:08:23,291 --> 01:08:25,833 that all the less fortunate 2836 01:08:25,833 --> 01:08:26,833 would just die 2837 01:08:26,833 --> 01:08:28,625 in the streets. 2838 01:08:28,625 --> 01:08:29,750 And it's just not 2839 01:08:29,750 --> 01:08:32,458 a true reality at all. 2840 01:08:32,458 --> 01:08:34,666 I think that for the, 2841 01:08:34,666 --> 01:08:36,041 for the most part 2842 01:08:36,041 --> 01:08:38,208 in, in Canada 2843 01:08:38,208 --> 01:08:39,083 and in America, 2844 01:08:39,083 --> 01:08:39,791 that people are 2845 01:08:39,791 --> 01:08:41,375 inherently good. 2846 01:08:41,375 --> 01:08:43,541 And I think that they are 2847 01:08:43,541 --> 01:08:47,625 pushed by the theft, to act 2848 01:08:47,625 --> 01:08:48,708 in, in ways 2849 01:08:48,708 --> 01:08:49,666 that they wouldn't normally 2850 01:08:49,666 --> 01:08:50,250 if they were, 2851 01:08:50,250 --> 01:08:52,666 if they were more free. 2852 01:08:52,666 --> 01:08:53,666 For example, 2853 01:08:53,666 --> 01:08:55,666 like if you're earning 2854 01:08:55,666 --> 01:08:56,833 crazy amounts of money 2855 01:08:56,833 --> 01:08:58,416 in the taxes, low you, 2856 01:08:58,416 --> 01:09:01,166 you, you have, 2857 01:09:01,166 --> 01:09:01,958 you're more likely 2858 01:09:01,958 --> 01:09:02,875 to have an attitude 2859 01:09:02,875 --> 01:09:04,000 to want to give back 2860 01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:04,625 and want to do 2861 01:09:04,625 --> 01:09:05,541 something meaningful 2862 01:09:05,541 --> 01:09:06,166 and want to make 2863 01:09:06,166 --> 01:09:07,541 a contribution 2864 01:09:07,541 --> 01:09:08,416 like a donation 2865 01:09:08,416 --> 01:09:10,333 or do something charitable 2866 01:09:10,333 --> 01:09:10,750 with the 2867 01:09:10,750 --> 01:09:11,291 with the money 2868 01:09:11,291 --> 01:09:12,541 that you're earning. 2869 01:09:12,541 --> 01:09:13,250 Then 2870 01:09:13,250 --> 01:09:14,541 if you're working 2871 01:09:14,541 --> 01:09:15,833 equally as hard 2872 01:09:15,833 --> 01:09:17,000 and having 2873 01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:18,750 half of what you earn 2874 01:09:18,750 --> 01:09:20,166 stole in from you, 2875 01:09:20,166 --> 01:09:21,541 and you're being berated 2876 01:09:21,541 --> 01:09:22,458 and told that you're 2877 01:09:22,458 --> 01:09:23,333 a terrible person 2878 01:09:23,333 --> 01:09:24,250 for being able 2879 01:09:24,250 --> 01:09:25,000 to produce 2880 01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:25,875 that kind of wealth, 2881 01:09:25,875 --> 01:09:26,875 and that you don't deserve 2882 01:09:26,875 --> 01:09:27,333 to have it 2883 01:09:27,333 --> 01:09:28,208 in the first place, 2884 01:09:28,208 --> 01:09:28,625 and that there 2885 01:09:28,625 --> 01:09:29,625 are other people 2886 01:09:29,625 --> 01:09:30,833 who need it more than you. 2887 01:09:30,833 --> 01:09:32,541 And it's being taken. 2888 01:09:32,541 --> 01:09:34,458 I think that just turns you 2889 01:09:34,458 --> 01:09:36,916 into the type of person who 2890 01:09:36,916 --> 01:09:37,708 does want to 2891 01:09:37,708 --> 01:09:38,833 just let people die 2892 01:09:38,833 --> 01:09:39,958 in the streets, 2893 01:09:39,958 --> 01:09:43,625 and, and makes you angry, 2894 01:09:43,625 --> 01:09:44,875 and it makes you resent 2895 01:09:44,875 --> 01:09:45,416 the people 2896 01:09:45,416 --> 01:09:46,458 who are less fortunate 2897 01:09:46,458 --> 01:09:48,625 because you are being robbed. 2898 01:09:48,625 --> 01:09:52,125 In, in, in their name, 2899 01:09:52,125 --> 01:09:53,208 which really creates 2900 01:09:53,208 --> 01:09:54,416 sort of a negative, 2901 01:09:54,416 --> 01:09:55,666 a really 2902 01:09:55,666 --> 01:09:57,166 negative sphere to be in. 2903 01:09:58,166 --> 01:09:59,416 Versus like I said, if you're 2904 01:09:59,416 --> 01:10:01,291 just crushing it, 2905 01:10:01,291 --> 01:10:02,750 making extremely good money, 2906 01:10:02,750 --> 01:10:03,625 you're left alone. 2907 01:10:03,625 --> 01:10:04,458 You're celebrated 2908 01:10:04,458 --> 01:10:05,291 for your production 2909 01:10:05,291 --> 01:10:07,166 and your contribution. 2910 01:10:07,166 --> 01:10:10,166 And, you know, you're you're 2911 01:10:10,625 --> 01:10:11,750 at that point, 2912 01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:13,333 I, I, you know, yeah. 2913 01:10:13,333 --> 01:10:15,375 Some there will be some like 2914 01:10:15,375 --> 01:10:16,458 bad apples here 2915 01:10:16,458 --> 01:10:17,416 and there that are like, 2916 01:10:17,416 --> 01:10:18,583 no, fuck everybody. 2917 01:10:18,583 --> 01:10:21,125 I'm just taking all of it. 2918 01:10:21,125 --> 01:10:22,291 But I don't believe it. 2919 01:10:22,291 --> 01:10:23,750 It's true at all 2920 01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:24,375 that that would be 2921 01:10:24,375 --> 01:10:25,166 the only case 2922 01:10:25,166 --> 01:10:26,750 I think we would find. 2923 01:10:26,750 --> 01:10:27,916 I think we would find 2924 01:10:27,916 --> 01:10:30,250 the state of all the things 2925 01:10:30,250 --> 01:10:31,333 that the fucking commies 2926 01:10:31,333 --> 01:10:32,083 cry about, 2927 01:10:32,083 --> 01:10:33,375 which is just shields 2928 01:10:33,375 --> 01:10:35,000 their own lust for power 2929 01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,750 would be solved, very, 2930 01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:40,166 very quickly by private, 2931 01:10:40,166 --> 01:10:41,458 participants. 2932 01:10:41,458 --> 01:10:44,458 Every, every sort of, 2933 01:10:45,541 --> 01:10:47,000 every program 2934 01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,125 that the government 2935 01:10:48,125 --> 01:10:49,291 has come up with, 2936 01:10:49,291 --> 01:10:51,166 the private 2937 01:10:51,166 --> 01:10:52,333 sector could do it 2938 01:10:52,333 --> 01:10:53,541 way, way better. 2939 01:10:53,541 --> 01:10:55,083 And I think certainly would, 2940 01:10:55,083 --> 01:10:56,041 especially 2941 01:10:56,041 --> 01:10:56,708 if they were not 2942 01:10:56,708 --> 01:10:58,625 being stolen from 2943 01:10:58,625 --> 01:11:00,916 so I hope to see that 2944 01:11:00,916 --> 01:11:02,250 kind of change. 2945 01:11:02,250 --> 01:11:04,416 In, in Alberta, 2946 01:11:04,416 --> 01:11:05,750 I think people in Alberta 2947 01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:07,458 feel that way a lot. 2948 01:11:07,458 --> 01:11:08,083 And like, 2949 01:11:08,083 --> 01:11:09,041 the cities are bad 2950 01:11:09,041 --> 01:11:10,208 samples in Canada 2951 01:11:10,208 --> 01:11:12,416 because they're just totally. 2952 01:11:12,416 --> 01:11:13,750 That's where 2953 01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:14,333 like when you're 2954 01:11:14,333 --> 01:11:15,791 living in a city, you are 2955 01:11:15,791 --> 01:11:17,125 you are fully dependent, 2956 01:11:17,125 --> 01:11:19,000 on the city. 2957 01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:20,208 So you're much more prone 2958 01:11:20,208 --> 01:11:21,250 to, like, the collectivist 2959 01:11:21,250 --> 01:11:23,416 thinking, versus 2960 01:11:23,416 --> 01:11:24,625 when you're rural, 2961 01:11:24,625 --> 01:11:25,041 you know, 2962 01:11:25,041 --> 01:11:26,416 you have to 2963 01:11:26,416 --> 01:11:27,791 plow your own driveway. 2964 01:11:27,791 --> 01:11:30,166 You have to, you know, shit, 2965 01:11:30,166 --> 01:11:31,458 go and seek out your own. 2966 01:11:31,458 --> 01:11:32,000 So you got to 2967 01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:32,750 figure things out 2968 01:11:32,750 --> 01:11:34,083 for yourself. 2969 01:11:34,083 --> 01:11:36,916 And so, you know, 2970 01:11:36,916 --> 01:11:37,250 I hope 2971 01:11:37,250 --> 01:11:38,250 that more people 2972 01:11:38,250 --> 01:11:39,583 can kind of understand that, 2973 01:11:39,583 --> 01:11:41,166 because right now, 2974 01:11:41,166 --> 01:11:42,125 how how it is, 2975 01:11:42,125 --> 01:11:43,333 is that all the wealth 2976 01:11:43,333 --> 01:11:44,500 just leaves. 2977 01:11:44,500 --> 01:11:45,958 So, like, 2978 01:11:45,958 --> 01:11:47,416 everyone kind of 2979 01:11:47,416 --> 01:11:48,916 cries and screams about it. 2980 01:11:48,916 --> 01:11:49,541 And then they put 2981 01:11:49,541 --> 01:11:50,041 in these, like, 2982 01:11:50,041 --> 01:11:51,583 completely insane rules, 2983 01:11:51,583 --> 01:11:52,583 which I think we saw 2984 01:11:52,583 --> 01:11:54,000 in one of those, 2985 01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:55,291 like northern European 2986 01:11:55,291 --> 01:11:56,291 countries recently. 2987 01:11:56,291 --> 01:11:57,750 Where they up the wealth 2988 01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:59,166 tax and crazy amount 2989 01:11:59,166 --> 01:12:00,541 and all the fucking 2990 01:12:00,541 --> 01:12:00,958 idiot 2991 01:12:00,958 --> 01:12:02,416 bureaucrats were excited 2992 01:12:02,416 --> 01:12:03,458 about how much more money 2993 01:12:03,458 --> 01:12:04,666 they'd be able to invest, 2994 01:12:04,666 --> 01:12:05,708 and they were all designing 2995 01:12:05,708 --> 01:12:07,041 their new lake houses. 2996 01:12:07,041 --> 01:12:08,333 And then all of a sudden, 2997 01:12:08,333 --> 01:12:10,541 they had far less than they 2998 01:12:10,541 --> 01:12:12,291 did the year before 2999 01:12:12,291 --> 01:12:15,291 because so much capital fled. 3000 01:12:15,333 --> 01:12:18,958 And I think that the harder 3001 01:12:18,958 --> 01:12:20,041 that the state pushes 3002 01:12:20,041 --> 01:12:22,166 to increase their theft, 3003 01:12:22,166 --> 01:12:23,250 the more we're going to 3004 01:12:23,250 --> 01:12:24,833 see that sort of escape. 3005 01:12:26,208 --> 01:12:28,375 And, I think that 3006 01:12:28,375 --> 01:12:29,625 there are jurisdictions 3007 01:12:29,625 --> 01:12:30,458 and there are places 3008 01:12:30,458 --> 01:12:31,000 in the world 3009 01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:32,041 that will realize 3010 01:12:32,041 --> 01:12:33,166 the opportunity 3011 01:12:33,166 --> 01:12:36,166 of saying like, hey, all, 3012 01:12:36,458 --> 01:12:37,875 all we have to do 3013 01:12:37,875 --> 01:12:39,916 is make this country 3014 01:12:39,916 --> 01:12:42,916 tax fucking free. 3015 01:12:43,791 --> 01:12:45,500 Or like just the lowest 3016 01:12:45,500 --> 01:12:47,083 possible tax 3017 01:12:47,083 --> 01:12:47,666 and you'll will 3018 01:12:47,666 --> 01:12:49,000 just brain drain like 3019 01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:50,958 look at fucking Dubai 3020 01:12:50,958 --> 01:12:52,083 and like 3021 01:12:52,083 --> 01:12:52,958 and you know all the 3022 01:12:52,958 --> 01:12:54,166 all those little islands 3023 01:12:54,166 --> 01:12:55,041 in the Caribbean 3024 01:12:55,041 --> 01:12:56,250 and these places 3025 01:12:56,250 --> 01:12:56,916 around the world, 3026 01:12:56,916 --> 01:12:57,625 it's like 3027 01:12:57,625 --> 01:12:59,166 one somewhere 3028 01:12:59,166 --> 01:12:59,875 along the line, 3029 01:12:59,875 --> 01:13:00,416 one of these 3030 01:13:00,416 --> 01:13:01,583 first world countries 3031 01:13:01,583 --> 01:13:02,375 that is really, 3032 01:13:02,375 --> 01:13:03,708 really amazing 3033 01:13:03,708 --> 01:13:04,708 that people want to live 3034 01:13:04,708 --> 01:13:05,500 in is going to be like, 3035 01:13:05,500 --> 01:13:06,500 you know what? 3036 01:13:06,500 --> 01:13:07,500 Let's just fucking do 3037 01:13:07,500 --> 01:13:07,916 the whole 3038 01:13:07,916 --> 01:13:09,375 no tax thing and create 3039 01:13:09,375 --> 01:13:11,083 a haven for for businesses 3040 01:13:11,083 --> 01:13:11,958 and then 3041 01:13:11,958 --> 01:13:13,208 the entire world, 3042 01:13:13,208 --> 01:13:14,041 especially if it's a 3043 01:13:14,041 --> 01:13:15,625 really fucking good place. 3044 01:13:15,625 --> 01:13:17,375 We'll flood there 3045 01:13:17,375 --> 01:13:18,375 and we'll set up 3046 01:13:18,375 --> 01:13:19,458 their operations there 3047 01:13:19,458 --> 01:13:20,625 and we'll begin to, 3048 01:13:20,625 --> 01:13:22,500 you know, build lives there. 3049 01:13:22,500 --> 01:13:23,750 And that's what I see 3050 01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:24,791 forward in Alberta. 3051 01:13:24,791 --> 01:13:25,250 That would be 3052 01:13:25,250 --> 01:13:26,166 the most amazing 3053 01:13:26,166 --> 01:13:27,208 thing, is that, okay, 3054 01:13:27,208 --> 01:13:27,666 we have this 3055 01:13:27,666 --> 01:13:28,666 section of Alberta 3056 01:13:28,666 --> 01:13:30,041 where our own country 3057 01:13:30,041 --> 01:13:31,000 and we're going 3058 01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:32,583 to structure ourselves 3059 01:13:32,583 --> 01:13:33,375 in the same way 3060 01:13:33,375 --> 01:13:35,625 as Monaco is structured, 3061 01:13:35,625 --> 01:13:37,958 or Luxembourg or Andorra 3062 01:13:37,958 --> 01:13:39,000 or any of these like 3063 01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:40,166 European countries 3064 01:13:40,166 --> 01:13:41,208 where we're just like, okay, 3065 01:13:41,208 --> 01:13:43,416 like this is the 3066 01:13:44,958 --> 01:13:46,250 the sovereign republic 3067 01:13:46,250 --> 01:13:47,666 of the Crow's Nest Pass. 3068 01:13:47,666 --> 01:13:49,458 And here 3069 01:13:49,458 --> 01:13:51,583 the tax rate is zero, 3070 01:13:51,583 --> 01:13:52,083 and here 3071 01:13:52,083 --> 01:13:52,916 the corporate tax 3072 01:13:52,916 --> 01:13:54,250 rate is zero. 3073 01:13:54,250 --> 01:13:55,000 And here 3074 01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:55,416 and you know, 3075 01:13:55,416 --> 01:13:57,708 and just like provide provide 3076 01:13:57,708 --> 01:13:59,083 and like obviously, you know, 3077 01:13:59,083 --> 01:14:00,333 there is some level, 3078 01:14:00,333 --> 01:14:02,000 of contribution 3079 01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:02,791 that has to be made 3080 01:14:02,791 --> 01:14:03,583 to make a place 3081 01:14:03,583 --> 01:14:04,750 awesome and livable. 3082 01:14:04,750 --> 01:14:05,416 And I think that'll 3083 01:14:05,416 --> 01:14:06,625 just be naturally done 3084 01:14:06,625 --> 01:14:08,333 by the individuals 3085 01:14:08,333 --> 01:14:10,625 who join that society. 3086 01:14:10,625 --> 01:14:11,416 It does not. 3087 01:14:11,416 --> 01:14:12,791 It'll just be emergent. 3088 01:14:12,791 --> 01:14:14,833 It will not be from decree. 3089 01:14:14,833 --> 01:14:15,791 So that's what 3090 01:14:15,791 --> 01:14:17,416 I would really love to see 3091 01:14:17,416 --> 01:14:18,208 in Alberta. 3092 01:14:18,208 --> 01:14:19,666 We just have a, 3093 01:14:19,666 --> 01:14:20,541 a section of it. 3094 01:14:20,541 --> 01:14:21,375 I don't know how big 3095 01:14:21,375 --> 01:14:22,458 or how or whatever it'll be. 3096 01:14:22,458 --> 01:14:23,458 And we just say like, 3097 01:14:23,458 --> 01:14:25,125 okay, like let, 3098 01:14:25,125 --> 01:14:26,000 let let's look 3099 01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,416 at the success of Panama. 3100 01:14:27,416 --> 01:14:27,833 Let's like 3101 01:14:27,833 --> 01:14:29,291 the success of Monaco. 3102 01:14:29,291 --> 01:14:30,583 Let's look at the 3103 01:14:30,583 --> 01:14:32,416 the success of these places 3104 01:14:32,416 --> 01:14:34,125 that have really 3105 01:14:34,125 --> 01:14:36,125 put good deals on the table 3106 01:14:36,125 --> 01:14:37,750 to, to business and banking 3107 01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:39,791 on all the industries. 3108 01:14:39,791 --> 01:14:41,375 And, you know, 3109 01:14:41,375 --> 01:14:43,666 you are welcome to 3110 01:14:43,666 --> 01:14:45,125 participate in 3111 01:14:45,125 --> 01:14:46,958 free markets here. 3112 01:14:46,958 --> 01:14:48,916 And we will not steal from 3113 01:14:48,916 --> 01:14:50,166 you would be a great 3114 01:14:50,166 --> 01:14:51,083 that would just be a great 3115 01:14:51,083 --> 01:14:52,333 like country motto. 3116 01:14:52,333 --> 01:14:53,583 Like we will 3117 01:14:53,583 --> 01:14:54,750 not steal your shit. 3118 01:14:55,791 --> 01:14:56,583 Will not 3119 01:14:56,583 --> 01:14:57,791 we will not take 3120 01:14:57,791 --> 01:14:58,250 what you've 3121 01:14:58,250 --> 01:14:59,250 built with your effort 3122 01:14:59,250 --> 01:15:00,166 and labor and claim 3123 01:15:00,166 --> 01:15:02,083 it as our own. 3124 01:15:02,083 --> 01:15:03,791 No, I absolutely agree 3125 01:15:03,791 --> 01:15:04,791 that like 3126 01:15:04,791 --> 01:15:05,375 the reason 3127 01:15:05,375 --> 01:15:06,583 people don't understand 3128 01:15:06,583 --> 01:15:07,500 that zero is 3129 01:15:07,500 --> 01:15:09,166 the ultimate tax rate 3130 01:15:09,166 --> 01:15:09,875 is that they 3131 01:15:09,875 --> 01:15:11,291 got the whole thing. 3132 01:15:11,291 --> 01:15:11,833 There's so 3133 01:15:11,833 --> 01:15:12,916 many misconceptions. 3134 01:15:12,916 --> 01:15:13,916 First of all, 3135 01:15:13,916 --> 01:15:14,958 like you have the left for 3136 01:15:14,958 --> 01:15:15,583 curve, right? 3137 01:15:15,583 --> 01:15:16,666 So if if, 3138 01:15:16,666 --> 01:15:19,291 a country has a 100% tax 3139 01:15:19,291 --> 01:15:20,291 as nobody works 3140 01:15:20,291 --> 01:15:21,000 because there's no 3141 01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:21,875 point in working 3142 01:15:21,875 --> 01:15:23,375 because they take everything, 3143 01:15:23,375 --> 01:15:24,041 so then 3144 01:15:24,041 --> 01:15:24,791 you can't take 3145 01:15:24,791 --> 01:15:25,458 their stuff anymore 3146 01:15:25,458 --> 01:15:27,250 because no one does anything. 3147 01:15:27,250 --> 01:15:29,208 And if you have a 0% tax, 3148 01:15:29,208 --> 01:15:30,166 then everyone works 3149 01:15:30,166 --> 01:15:31,125 because they have to 3150 01:15:31,125 --> 01:15:32,000 to survive. 3151 01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:32,875 And the theory 3152 01:15:32,875 --> 01:15:33,750 is that somewhere 3153 01:15:33,750 --> 01:15:34,458 in between that 3154 01:15:34,458 --> 01:15:35,458 that this is a curve. 3155 01:15:35,458 --> 01:15:37,583 So there's an optimal point 3156 01:15:37,583 --> 01:15:38,458 for Texas 3157 01:15:38,458 --> 01:15:39,708 where you can extract 3158 01:15:39,708 --> 01:15:41,166 as much as possible. 3159 01:15:41,166 --> 01:15:41,958 But what they don't 3160 01:15:41,958 --> 01:15:42,458 understand 3161 01:15:42,458 --> 01:15:43,208 is that that point 3162 01:15:43,208 --> 01:15:44,458 is actually zero. 3163 01:15:44,458 --> 01:15:45,041 Because what 3164 01:15:45,041 --> 01:15:45,708 what Texas 3165 01:15:45,708 --> 01:15:47,166 do always 3166 01:15:47,166 --> 01:15:49,041 is, miss allocate 3167 01:15:49,041 --> 01:15:50,250 resource and says 3168 01:15:50,250 --> 01:15:51,291 and hinder 3169 01:15:51,291 --> 01:15:52,541 hinder companies 3170 01:15:52,541 --> 01:15:53,083 from having 3171 01:15:53,083 --> 01:15:54,500 exponential growth. 3172 01:15:54,500 --> 01:15:57,416 And my, my go to example 3173 01:15:57,416 --> 01:15:58,666 is the apple tree farmer 3174 01:15:58,666 --> 01:15:59,625 who has one tree 3175 01:15:59,625 --> 01:16:00,750 the first year. 3176 01:16:00,750 --> 01:16:01,958 And he makes so much profit 3177 01:16:01,958 --> 01:16:02,833 that he can have two 3178 01:16:02,833 --> 01:16:04,250 the next year, for the year 3179 01:16:04,250 --> 01:16:05,083 after that eighth, 3180 01:16:05,083 --> 01:16:06,250 the year after that. 3181 01:16:06,250 --> 01:16:07,250 And thereby 3182 01:16:07,250 --> 01:16:07,875 his company 3183 01:16:07,875 --> 01:16:08,291 can have an 3184 01:16:08,291 --> 01:16:09,208 exponential growth 3185 01:16:09,208 --> 01:16:10,333 and he can feed 3186 01:16:10,333 --> 01:16:11,208 an exponential 3187 01:16:11,208 --> 01:16:12,583 amount of mouths 3188 01:16:12,583 --> 01:16:13,750 over the years. 3189 01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:15,708 And if it's just taxed 50%, 3190 01:16:15,708 --> 01:16:16,333 he never gets to 3191 01:16:16,333 --> 01:16:17,291 the second tree. 3192 01:16:17,291 --> 01:16:18,166 So all of these 3193 01:16:18,166 --> 01:16:19,250 exponential effects 3194 01:16:19,250 --> 01:16:19,666 that could have 3195 01:16:19,666 --> 01:16:20,416 been going on, 3196 01:16:20,416 --> 01:16:21,750 you don't see any of them 3197 01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:22,666 because and it's 3198 01:16:22,666 --> 01:16:23,875 all because of the taxes. 3199 01:16:23,875 --> 01:16:25,208 It's not because people, 3200 01:16:25,208 --> 01:16:25,958 the brain drain 3201 01:16:25,958 --> 01:16:28,250 or anything that the 3202 01:16:28,250 --> 01:16:30,000 the taxes themselves 3203 01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:31,458 fuck everything up 3204 01:16:31,458 --> 01:16:33,375 and people don't work 3205 01:16:33,375 --> 01:16:34,916 and and we 3206 01:16:34,916 --> 01:16:36,166 I come from Sweden. 3207 01:16:36,166 --> 01:16:37,875 You live in, in Canada 3208 01:16:37,875 --> 01:16:39,750 you would live in Finland. 3209 01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:41,250 These are all taxes 3210 01:16:41,250 --> 01:16:42,083 that are way 3211 01:16:42,083 --> 01:16:43,541 beyond the Laffer curve. 3212 01:16:43,541 --> 01:16:46,458 We're way above 50% taxes, 3213 01:16:46,458 --> 01:16:47,625 especially if you 3214 01:16:47,625 --> 01:16:48,875 include everything which is, 3215 01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:50,625 you end up with 3216 01:16:50,625 --> 01:16:52,125 a number like 80% 3217 01:16:52,125 --> 01:16:54,750 if all VAT or import tariffs 3218 01:16:54,750 --> 01:16:57,375 or all the all the bullshit. 3219 01:16:57,375 --> 01:16:58,791 And still we haven't 3220 01:16:58,791 --> 01:16:59,750 even begun 3221 01:16:59,750 --> 01:17:00,875 talking about inflation, 3222 01:17:00,875 --> 01:17:01,541 which is like 3223 01:17:01,541 --> 01:17:03,125 the worst Sneakiest 3224 01:17:03,125 --> 01:17:04,125 meanest fucking 3225 01:17:04,125 --> 01:17:05,291 tax of them all 3226 01:17:05,291 --> 01:17:07,625 that punishes the the, 3227 01:17:07,625 --> 01:17:09,000 the poorest and, 3228 01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:10,375 and richest, 3229 01:17:10,375 --> 01:17:10,916 the richest, 3230 01:17:10,916 --> 01:17:12,000 those with assets 3231 01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:12,791 gain from it 3232 01:17:12,791 --> 01:17:13,875 and those without, 3233 01:17:13,875 --> 01:17:16,000 pay for pay 3234 01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,791 for everything else. So 3235 01:17:18,791 --> 01:17:20,000 but the beauty of this 3236 01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:21,000 is that this country 3237 01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:21,750 we're talking about 3238 01:17:21,750 --> 01:17:22,666 already exists. 3239 01:17:22,666 --> 01:17:24,583 It's bitcoin like, 3240 01:17:24,583 --> 01:17:25,833 you can a company 3241 01:17:25,833 --> 01:17:26,583 just it's 3242 01:17:26,583 --> 01:17:27,916 nothing but a telegram group 3243 01:17:27,916 --> 01:17:29,333 or something. 3244 01:17:29,333 --> 01:17:31,125 You can do everything 3245 01:17:31,125 --> 01:17:32,625 without permission 3246 01:17:32,625 --> 01:17:33,833 and just do the shit, 3247 01:17:33,833 --> 01:17:34,541 and nobody 3248 01:17:34,541 --> 01:17:35,958 can do anything about it. 3249 01:17:35,958 --> 01:17:37,000 As long as you don't 3250 01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:38,500 touch the fucking banks, 3251 01:17:38,500 --> 01:17:39,583 because they suck 3252 01:17:39,583 --> 01:17:40,541 and they're in cahoots 3253 01:17:40,541 --> 01:17:41,416 with the government. 3254 01:17:41,416 --> 01:17:43,625 So be in Bitcoin, 3255 01:17:43,625 --> 01:17:45,166 you know, 3256 01:17:45,166 --> 01:17:46,166 get paid for your goods 3257 01:17:46,166 --> 01:17:47,416 and services in Bitcoin. 3258 01:17:47,416 --> 01:17:48,916 Don't tell anyone about it. 3259 01:17:48,916 --> 01:17:50,458 Just fucking do the things. 3260 01:17:50,458 --> 01:17:51,833 And we can give the 3261 01:17:51,833 --> 01:17:53,083 middle finger to the state 3262 01:17:53,083 --> 01:17:53,958 and enjoy the ride 3263 01:17:53,958 --> 01:17:55,125 at the same time. 3264 01:17:55,125 --> 01:17:56,625 And the purchasing 3265 01:17:56,625 --> 01:17:57,458 power of Bitcoin 3266 01:17:57,458 --> 01:17:58,916 the number go up thing 3267 01:17:58,916 --> 01:18:01,000 that is Bitcoin telling you 3268 01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:02,208 how much better 3269 01:18:02,208 --> 01:18:03,833 a libertarian, anarcho 3270 01:18:03,833 --> 01:18:05,291 capitalist, centralist, 3271 01:18:05,291 --> 01:18:06,708 objectivist society 3272 01:18:06,708 --> 01:18:07,958 is than all of this 3273 01:18:07,958 --> 01:18:09,000 fucking comic book 3274 01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:09,791 bullshit that 3275 01:18:09,791 --> 01:18:12,000 that all other politics are. 3276 01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,000 So fuck you and do bitcoin 3277 01:18:15,375 --> 01:18:17,291 opt out and a rant. 3278 01:18:19,041 --> 01:18:19,458 Yeah. 3279 01:18:19,458 --> 01:18:22,083 No, definitely. I 3280 01:18:22,083 --> 01:18:25,083 zero is the perfect tax rate 3281 01:18:25,125 --> 01:18:28,583 and allows every everything 3282 01:18:28,583 --> 01:18:29,958 everybody to thrive 3283 01:18:29,958 --> 01:18:32,416 and at all levels. 3284 01:18:32,416 --> 01:18:33,791 You know it 3285 01:18:33,791 --> 01:18:35,000 even incentivizes 3286 01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:35,666 like the low 3287 01:18:35,666 --> 01:18:39,458 the lowest because well your 3288 01:18:39,458 --> 01:18:41,000 you own your time 3289 01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:42,083 so you can convert 3290 01:18:42,083 --> 01:18:44,000 your time into capital, 3291 01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:45,583 then you can use that capital 3292 01:18:45,583 --> 01:18:46,958 however you like. 3293 01:18:46,958 --> 01:18:49,000 And it isn't complicated. 3294 01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:49,875 It isn't hard. 3295 01:18:49,875 --> 01:18:50,125 I mean, 3296 01:18:50,125 --> 01:18:51,291 like a lot of a lot 3297 01:18:51,291 --> 01:18:52,958 of the things in business 3298 01:18:52,958 --> 01:18:56,208 that, are make 3299 01:18:57,708 --> 01:18:59,291 production so difficult 3300 01:18:59,291 --> 01:19:01,541 is just entirely bureaucracy 3301 01:19:01,541 --> 01:19:02,416 and entirely 3302 01:19:02,416 --> 01:19:03,125 the government 3303 01:19:03,125 --> 01:19:05,583 getting in the way. 3304 01:19:05,583 --> 01:19:09,416 Of productive operation. 3305 01:19:09,416 --> 01:19:12,375 And if we can just have 3306 01:19:12,375 --> 01:19:12,875 a place 3307 01:19:12,875 --> 01:19:15,041 where that doesn't happen 3308 01:19:15,041 --> 01:19:16,375 and, like, 3309 01:19:16,375 --> 01:19:17,000 you know, 3310 01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,000 if, as the state body, 3311 01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:19,916 if there is one, just 3312 01:19:19,916 --> 01:19:21,041 leaves you alone, 3313 01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:24,166 that that's the ideal, 3314 01:19:24,166 --> 01:19:24,708 you know, that 3315 01:19:24,708 --> 01:19:26,208 that's the real utopia, 3316 01:19:26,208 --> 01:19:26,708 that all these 3317 01:19:26,708 --> 01:19:27,583 fucking collectivist 3318 01:19:27,583 --> 01:19:28,791 retards are in pursuit 3319 01:19:28,791 --> 01:19:30,958 of is just like a place 3320 01:19:30,958 --> 01:19:32,583 where the market signal 3321 01:19:32,583 --> 01:19:34,833 is clear and perfect 3322 01:19:34,833 --> 01:19:36,125 so that resources 3323 01:19:36,125 --> 01:19:37,333 are not mis allocated 3324 01:19:37,333 --> 01:19:39,375 and are not wasted, 3325 01:19:39,375 --> 01:19:40,583 and a place 3326 01:19:40,583 --> 01:19:42,750 where you own your time 3327 01:19:42,750 --> 01:19:45,541 and the effort and the value 3328 01:19:45,541 --> 01:19:47,791 you produce with your time, 3329 01:19:47,791 --> 01:19:48,791 is able 3330 01:19:48,791 --> 01:19:50,083 to be transported 3331 01:19:50,083 --> 01:19:50,833 into the future 3332 01:19:50,833 --> 01:19:51,916 and able to be saved 3333 01:19:51,916 --> 01:19:53,666 for when you need it. 3334 01:19:53,666 --> 01:19:55,166 And that's why 3335 01:19:55,166 --> 01:19:56,875 in a lot of my work, 3336 01:19:56,875 --> 01:19:58,583 I have the message that, 3337 01:19:58,583 --> 01:20:01,416 death to times thieves. 3338 01:20:01,416 --> 01:20:02,458 And what I say 3339 01:20:02,458 --> 01:20:03,791 to a lot of my friends 3340 01:20:03,791 --> 01:20:04,458 who are kind of 3341 01:20:04,458 --> 01:20:05,416 have been on the edge 3342 01:20:05,416 --> 01:20:06,708 of Bitcoin for so long, 3343 01:20:06,708 --> 01:20:07,583 it's like, 3344 01:20:07,583 --> 01:20:08,166 what you don't 3345 01:20:08,166 --> 01:20:09,125 understand is like, 3346 01:20:09,125 --> 01:20:09,750 these people 3347 01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:10,416 have been fucking 3348 01:20:10,416 --> 01:20:11,291 stealing from us 3349 01:20:11,291 --> 01:20:12,041 all this time. 3350 01:20:12,041 --> 01:20:12,250 Like, 3351 01:20:12,250 --> 01:20:13,333 they're out of the game. 3352 01:20:13,333 --> 01:20:14,208 It's over. 3353 01:20:14,208 --> 01:20:15,500 It's done for them. 3354 01:20:15,500 --> 01:20:16,125 And like we're going 3355 01:20:16,125 --> 01:20:16,750 to go through this 3356 01:20:16,750 --> 01:20:18,166 rough transition period. 3357 01:20:18,166 --> 01:20:19,125 But at the end of it, 3358 01:20:19,125 --> 01:20:20,541 like their ability 3359 01:20:20,541 --> 01:20:22,125 to steal from us 3360 01:20:22,125 --> 01:20:24,750 is completely destroyed. 3361 01:20:24,750 --> 01:20:26,500 And I'm happy 3362 01:20:26,500 --> 01:20:27,833 that Bitcoin is at this point 3363 01:20:27,833 --> 01:20:28,375 where like 3364 01:20:28,375 --> 01:20:30,458 this is an inevitable future. 3365 01:20:30,458 --> 01:20:32,166 It is coming no matter what. 3366 01:20:32,166 --> 01:20:32,791 No one can get 3367 01:20:32,791 --> 01:20:33,583 in the way of it. 3368 01:20:33,583 --> 01:20:34,166 And I think 3369 01:20:34,166 --> 01:20:35,083 the next couple of years 3370 01:20:35,083 --> 01:20:35,500 are going to be 3371 01:20:35,500 --> 01:20:36,875 really exciting 3372 01:20:36,875 --> 01:20:37,875 because we're going to see 3373 01:20:37,875 --> 01:20:40,916 that as, really large 3374 01:20:40,916 --> 01:20:42,375 actors start to use 3375 01:20:42,375 --> 01:20:44,000 Bitcoin for, 3376 01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:46,000 the fucking same, 3377 01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:47,083 like the purposes 3378 01:20:47,083 --> 01:20:48,375 it was designed for. 3379 01:20:48,375 --> 01:20:49,791 And the same reason that all 3380 01:20:49,791 --> 01:20:51,916 of us use it as individuals. 3381 01:20:53,041 --> 01:20:54,708 You know, giant companies are 3382 01:20:54,708 --> 01:20:56,375 going to be 3383 01:20:56,375 --> 01:20:58,000 playing, playing out exactly 3384 01:20:58,000 --> 01:20:59,583 as us individuals act. 3385 01:20:59,583 --> 01:21:01,958 And that just creates 3386 01:21:01,958 --> 01:21:02,625 exactly what you're 3387 01:21:02,625 --> 01:21:03,708 talking about with this, 3388 01:21:03,708 --> 01:21:04,875 this world 3389 01:21:04,875 --> 01:21:06,500 that that is a free, 3390 01:21:06,500 --> 01:21:07,666 free marketplace. 3391 01:21:07,666 --> 01:21:09,416 And so I just 3392 01:21:09,416 --> 01:21:10,666 I'm so excited for it 3393 01:21:10,666 --> 01:21:11,500 to be to 3394 01:21:11,500 --> 01:21:13,166 for it to accelerate. 3395 01:21:13,166 --> 01:21:14,833 And I'm so excited 3396 01:21:14,833 --> 01:21:17,083 for the fucking people 3397 01:21:17,083 --> 01:21:18,125 who have profited 3398 01:21:18,125 --> 01:21:20,000 off of the theft 3399 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,708 to just come to, to 3400 01:21:22,708 --> 01:21:24,208 have to fucking 3401 01:21:24,208 --> 01:21:25,708 go and work for. 3402 01:21:25,708 --> 01:21:27,000 Yeah, this time 3403 01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:28,125 they'll have to get a haircut 3404 01:21:28,125 --> 01:21:29,875 and a job like this. 3405 01:21:29,875 --> 01:21:30,666 That's just it. 3406 01:21:30,666 --> 01:21:31,708 Maybe not a haircut, 3407 01:21:31,708 --> 01:21:33,708 but I mean, 3408 01:21:33,708 --> 01:21:34,875 now I couldn't agree more. 3409 01:21:34,875 --> 01:21:36,958 I think the transition 3410 01:21:36,958 --> 01:21:38,416 will be more peaceful 3411 01:21:38,416 --> 01:21:39,750 than we than we think. 3412 01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:41,875 Like, I like having that 3413 01:21:41,875 --> 01:21:42,708 thought in my head 3414 01:21:42,708 --> 01:21:43,708 because I think that's 3415 01:21:43,708 --> 01:21:44,750 how we make that happen. 3416 01:21:44,750 --> 01:21:45,375 It will be 3417 01:21:45,375 --> 01:21:46,666 because the brutes 3418 01:21:46,666 --> 01:21:47,625 and enforces 3419 01:21:47,625 --> 01:21:48,625 are being onboarded 3420 01:21:48,625 --> 01:21:49,375 to the coin. 3421 01:21:49,375 --> 01:21:50,875 So like Bitcoin 3422 01:21:50,875 --> 01:21:53,166 and it's just like, 3423 01:21:53,166 --> 01:21:54,166 no, when you look 3424 01:21:54,166 --> 01:21:55,041 at every example 3425 01:21:55,041 --> 01:21:55,583 of everything 3426 01:21:55,583 --> 01:21:56,666 that's ever played out, 3427 01:21:56,666 --> 01:21:57,625 it's like, okay. 3428 01:21:57,625 --> 01:21:59,083 Like the wars ended 3429 01:21:59,083 --> 01:22:00,666 when the money ran out. 3430 01:22:00,666 --> 01:22:03,708 And you know what? 3431 01:22:03,875 --> 01:22:04,916 The individual 3432 01:22:04,916 --> 01:22:06,916 is going to make a decision, 3433 01:22:06,916 --> 01:22:07,833 which is, 3434 01:22:07,833 --> 01:22:10,833 you know, pay me with what? 3435 01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:11,833 Yeah, exactly. 3436 01:22:11,833 --> 01:22:13,250 You want me to go and enforce 3437 01:22:13,250 --> 01:22:14,750 all this fucking bitcoin shit 3438 01:22:14,750 --> 01:22:15,500 and, like, squash 3439 01:22:15,500 --> 01:22:17,208 bitcoin, man? Fuck you. 3440 01:22:17,208 --> 01:22:18,583 I have bitcoin, 3441 01:22:18,583 --> 01:22:19,708 I have a lot of bitcoin. 3442 01:22:19,708 --> 01:22:20,625 I've been saving it 3443 01:22:20,625 --> 01:22:21,541 since I listened to 3444 01:22:21,541 --> 01:22:23,250 that podcast way back. 3445 01:22:23,250 --> 01:22:23,500 Yeah. 3446 01:22:23,500 --> 01:22:24,375 Like I'm like made it 3447 01:22:24,375 --> 01:22:25,250 and enforce that. 3448 01:22:26,250 --> 01:22:27,666 So like 3449 01:22:27,666 --> 01:22:29,541 that that that's it's really 3450 01:22:29,541 --> 01:22:32,000 there's a really good 3451 01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:33,583 kind of visualization of it 3452 01:22:33,583 --> 01:22:35,458 which is in Fight Club. 3453 01:22:35,458 --> 01:22:35,625 Yeah. 3454 01:22:35,625 --> 01:22:37,958 And how you know that 3455 01:22:37,958 --> 01:22:38,916 the Fight Club 3456 01:22:38,916 --> 01:22:39,708 members 3457 01:22:39,708 --> 01:22:41,291 are just fucking everywhere, 3458 01:22:41,291 --> 01:22:41,958 and they're, 3459 01:22:41,958 --> 01:22:42,791 they're like 3460 01:22:42,791 --> 01:22:43,833 the brick and mortar 3461 01:22:43,833 --> 01:22:44,750 of the whole world. 3462 01:22:44,750 --> 01:22:47,416 And we we have that 3463 01:22:47,416 --> 01:22:49,750 now, and, it's really great. 3464 01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:50,416 I have a story 3465 01:22:50,416 --> 01:22:51,041 that I was going 3466 01:22:51,041 --> 01:22:52,083 through, 3467 01:22:52,083 --> 01:22:53,666 like a security check 3468 01:22:53,666 --> 01:22:54,541 in the world, 3469 01:22:54,541 --> 01:22:56,875 and I got, 3470 01:22:56,875 --> 01:22:57,958 sent to, like, the, 3471 01:22:57,958 --> 01:22:58,250 like, 3472 01:22:58,250 --> 01:22:59,125 secondary check 3473 01:22:59,125 --> 01:23:00,000 where they rip your whole 3474 01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:00,666 bags apart 3475 01:23:00,666 --> 01:23:01,125 and they really 3476 01:23:01,125 --> 01:23:02,750 give you a hard time. 3477 01:23:02,750 --> 01:23:03,416 And, 3478 01:23:03,416 --> 01:23:04,083 I went through 3479 01:23:04,083 --> 01:23:05,250 the whole process 3480 01:23:05,250 --> 01:23:06,375 and just kind of, like, 3481 01:23:06,375 --> 01:23:08,208 answered everything honestly. 3482 01:23:08,208 --> 01:23:10,666 And it was fine. 3483 01:23:10,666 --> 01:23:11,750 But then at the very end, 3484 01:23:11,750 --> 01:23:12,708 like the, 3485 01:23:12,708 --> 01:23:14,833 the guy who was the officer 3486 01:23:14,833 --> 01:23:15,875 inspecting my stuff 3487 01:23:15,875 --> 01:23:16,916 just kind of leaned in and 3488 01:23:16,916 --> 01:23:19,250 was like, do you own Bitcoin? 3489 01:23:19,250 --> 01:23:19,875 And it's like one 3490 01:23:19,875 --> 01:23:20,708 of those questions 3491 01:23:20,708 --> 01:23:21,708 that's like kind of awkward 3492 01:23:21,708 --> 01:23:23,000 when you're crossing borders. 3493 01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:23,958 But like, 3494 01:23:23,958 --> 01:23:25,250 everything in my bag 3495 01:23:25,250 --> 01:23:26,333 was bitcoin related 3496 01:23:26,333 --> 01:23:27,083 and I was going to a 3497 01:23:27,083 --> 01:23:28,166 bitcoin conference. 3498 01:23:28,166 --> 01:23:29,208 I was like, yeah. 3499 01:23:29,208 --> 01:23:31,208 So I just like yes. 3500 01:23:32,250 --> 01:23:33,250 And then he just leaned 3501 01:23:33,250 --> 01:23:36,250 in a little closer so do I. 3502 01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:37,875 Oh fucking amazing. 3503 01:23:37,875 --> 01:23:39,250 And then like pulled back 3504 01:23:39,250 --> 01:23:39,916 and then like 3505 01:23:39,916 --> 01:23:41,291 I packed all my shit together 3506 01:23:41,291 --> 01:23:42,541 like stamped my papers 3507 01:23:42,541 --> 01:23:43,875 and sent me off on my way. 3508 01:23:43,875 --> 01:23:45,708 And it was like only 3509 01:23:45,708 --> 01:23:46,791 one of those sort of fight 3510 01:23:46,791 --> 01:23:47,541 club moments. 3511 01:23:47,541 --> 01:23:48,416 Oh, I think 3512 01:23:48,416 --> 01:23:49,250 we're going to see that, 3513 01:23:49,250 --> 01:23:50,458 because the people 3514 01:23:50,458 --> 01:23:51,000 who are 3515 01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:51,916 most comfortable 3516 01:23:51,916 --> 01:23:53,333 with the fed and, 3517 01:23:53,333 --> 01:23:53,750 you know, 3518 01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:55,333 and the fiat currency 3519 01:23:55,333 --> 01:23:56,708 are going to be the last ones 3520 01:23:56,708 --> 01:23:58,125 to onboard 3521 01:23:58,125 --> 01:23:58,875 the coin, 3522 01:23:58,875 --> 01:23:59,291 and that's 3523 01:23:59,291 --> 01:24:00,666 just going to work perfectly. 3524 01:24:00,666 --> 01:24:01,666 The people who are 3525 01:24:01,666 --> 01:24:02,500 going to be buying. 3526 01:24:02,500 --> 01:24:03,791 And I've been pushing this 3527 01:24:03,791 --> 01:24:04,750 a lot lately, 3528 01:24:04,750 --> 01:24:05,916 which is that like, 3529 01:24:05,916 --> 01:24:07,083 I don't give a fuck about 3530 01:24:07,083 --> 01:24:08,833 any of these fucking suits. 3531 01:24:08,833 --> 01:24:09,250 I don't give 3532 01:24:09,250 --> 01:24:10,000 a fuck about this 3533 01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:10,875 economic stuff. 3534 01:24:10,875 --> 01:24:12,166 I don't give a fuck about, 3535 01:24:12,166 --> 01:24:14,416 you know, MicroStrategy 3536 01:24:14,416 --> 01:24:15,333 and all that crap. 3537 01:24:15,333 --> 01:24:15,791 Like, 3538 01:24:15,791 --> 01:24:17,041 what I care about is, 3539 01:24:17,041 --> 01:24:18,791 like, do the people 3540 01:24:18,791 --> 01:24:20,666 whose efforts 3541 01:24:20,666 --> 01:24:22,750 enable my quality of life, 3542 01:24:22,750 --> 01:24:24,250 do they have Bitcoin 3543 01:24:24,250 --> 01:24:25,000 and how do I get 3544 01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:26,541 those people bitcoin. 3545 01:24:26,541 --> 01:24:27,583 So all the 3546 01:24:27,583 --> 01:24:28,750 maintenance requirements 3547 01:24:28,750 --> 01:24:29,500 for property 3548 01:24:29,500 --> 01:24:31,000 all like my farm 3549 01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:32,500 and food supply, 3550 01:24:32,500 --> 01:24:34,375 every like component 3551 01:24:34,375 --> 01:24:35,625 of my quality of life, 3552 01:24:35,625 --> 01:24:36,500 I want to make sure 3553 01:24:36,500 --> 01:24:37,166 that the people 3554 01:24:37,166 --> 01:24:38,291 who directly support 3555 01:24:38,291 --> 01:24:41,291 that, have bitcoin 3556 01:24:41,500 --> 01:24:42,583 and that bitcoin is 3557 01:24:42,583 --> 01:24:43,666 sort of an investment 3558 01:24:43,666 --> 01:24:44,500 in their business. 3559 01:24:44,500 --> 01:24:45,250 It's like, yeah, 3560 01:24:45,250 --> 01:24:45,708 when you 3561 01:24:45,708 --> 01:24:46,125 when you're 3562 01:24:46,125 --> 01:24:47,041 when you start paying 3563 01:24:47,041 --> 01:24:47,875 people around you 3564 01:24:47,875 --> 01:24:49,000 in Bitcoin, it's 3565 01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:49,791 almost like you're going 3566 01:24:49,791 --> 01:24:50,291 to making 3567 01:24:50,291 --> 01:24:51,500 little like venture 3568 01:24:51,500 --> 01:24:52,750 capital investments 3569 01:24:52,750 --> 01:24:54,125 and like all these businesses 3570 01:24:54,125 --> 01:24:55,125 because 3571 01:24:55,125 --> 01:24:57,083 the bitcoin that you 3572 01:24:57,083 --> 01:24:58,041 pay them with 3573 01:24:58,041 --> 01:24:58,875 and you know 3574 01:24:58,875 --> 01:24:59,875 if they keep it right. 3575 01:24:59,875 --> 01:25:01,375 So you have to do a good job 3576 01:25:01,375 --> 01:25:02,291 of them. 3577 01:25:02,291 --> 01:25:02,958 Understanding 3578 01:25:02,958 --> 01:25:04,375 and respecting the coins 3579 01:25:04,375 --> 01:25:05,500 just guarantees 3580 01:25:05,500 --> 01:25:06,208 that that business 3581 01:25:06,208 --> 01:25:07,250 is still going to be here 3582 01:25:07,250 --> 01:25:08,708 in ten years. 3583 01:25:08,708 --> 01:25:08,958 Yeah. 3584 01:25:08,958 --> 01:25:10,958 And those are the people 3585 01:25:10,958 --> 01:25:11,916 that fucking matter 3586 01:25:11,916 --> 01:25:13,083 to to get the coins, 3587 01:25:13,083 --> 01:25:13,875 not the suits, 3588 01:25:13,875 --> 01:25:14,541 not anybody 3589 01:25:14,541 --> 01:25:15,333 that's in the banks 3590 01:25:15,333 --> 01:25:16,041 end of that crap. 3591 01:25:16,041 --> 01:25:17,875 Because, you know, the guy, 3592 01:25:17,875 --> 01:25:19,666 the like the cop that pulls 3593 01:25:19,666 --> 01:25:20,833 you over, 3594 01:25:20,833 --> 01:25:21,250 you know, for 3595 01:25:21,250 --> 01:25:22,750 speaking aggressively. 3596 01:25:22,750 --> 01:25:24,791 Just pitch that guy 3597 01:25:24,791 --> 01:25:25,875 some fucking bitcoin 3598 01:25:25,875 --> 01:25:26,958 because he, 3599 01:25:26,958 --> 01:25:28,125 he's got to get on it 3600 01:25:28,125 --> 01:25:29,208 because he's not making 3601 01:25:29,208 --> 01:25:30,125 fucking shit. 3602 01:25:30,125 --> 01:25:31,083 And he's dealing 3603 01:25:31,083 --> 01:25:32,125 with the exact same. 3604 01:25:32,125 --> 01:25:33,958 All the enforcers are dealing 3605 01:25:33,958 --> 01:25:35,500 with the exact same fucked up 3606 01:25:35,500 --> 01:25:36,666 stresses of inflation 3607 01:25:36,666 --> 01:25:37,500 that we are. 3608 01:25:37,500 --> 01:25:38,500 And onboarding them 3609 01:25:38,500 --> 01:25:39,708 to Bitcoin just makes it 3610 01:25:39,708 --> 01:25:40,666 one step easier 3611 01:25:40,666 --> 01:25:42,041 that when you know, 3612 01:25:42,041 --> 01:25:43,458 true Dao or these other 3613 01:25:43,458 --> 01:25:44,125 sort of leaders 3614 01:25:44,125 --> 01:25:44,833 that are out there 3615 01:25:44,833 --> 01:25:46,166 cast their orders to go 3616 01:25:46,166 --> 01:25:47,000 and stamp out 3617 01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:48,041 the fucking Bitcoin, 3618 01:25:48,041 --> 01:25:49,125 it's just not possible 3619 01:25:49,125 --> 01:25:50,583 to do because, 3620 01:25:50,583 --> 01:25:51,041 you know, 3621 01:25:51,041 --> 01:25:51,791 and I think this is 3622 01:25:51,791 --> 01:25:52,541 already happening. 3623 01:25:52,541 --> 01:25:53,291 Like guaranteed 3624 01:25:53,291 --> 01:25:53,750 there's like 3625 01:25:53,750 --> 01:25:54,916 CIA analysts 3626 01:25:54,916 --> 01:25:55,833 that have been stacking 3627 01:25:55,833 --> 01:25:58,000 for fucking eight years. 3628 01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,166 And our heavily incentivized 3629 01:26:01,375 --> 01:26:02,000 to like 3630 01:26:02,958 --> 01:26:04,291 fuck up some 3631 01:26:04,291 --> 01:26:05,958 weird orders to go and attack 3632 01:26:05,958 --> 01:26:07,541 something with bitcoin 3633 01:26:07,541 --> 01:26:08,291 and you know, 3634 01:26:08,291 --> 01:26:09,041 and it's not 3635 01:26:09,041 --> 01:26:09,791 going to be all of them. 3636 01:26:09,791 --> 01:26:10,500 But definitely 3637 01:26:10,500 --> 01:26:12,125 it's a large percentage 3638 01:26:12,125 --> 01:26:12,791 more and more 3639 01:26:12,791 --> 01:26:14,750 every day onboarding. 3640 01:26:14,750 --> 01:26:16,208 Now and we're 3641 01:26:16,208 --> 01:26:16,916 heading towards 3642 01:26:16,916 --> 01:26:17,791 the final scene 3643 01:26:17,791 --> 01:26:19,250 in Fight Club. 3644 01:26:19,250 --> 01:26:20,583 Not only this interview 3645 01:26:20,583 --> 01:26:22,333 but that that is like 3646 01:26:22,333 --> 01:26:22,916 where hyper 3647 01:26:22,916 --> 01:26:24,166 mechanization starts, 3648 01:26:24,166 --> 01:26:25,458 where all the skyscrapers 3649 01:26:25,458 --> 01:26:26,958 with a credit card companies 3650 01:26:26,958 --> 01:26:28,333 just fall apart. 3651 01:26:28,333 --> 01:26:29,083 And I'm going to play 3652 01:26:29,083 --> 01:26:29,666 that Pixies 3653 01:26:29,666 --> 01:26:31,625 song on the loudest volume 3654 01:26:31,625 --> 01:26:32,750 and enjoy this show 3655 01:26:32,750 --> 01:26:34,500 when it happens. Yeah. 3656 01:26:34,500 --> 01:26:35,041 My next. 3657 01:26:35,041 --> 01:26:36,000 It's been fantastic 3658 01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:37,000 having you on the show. 3659 01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:38,750 Yeah. 3660 01:26:38,750 --> 01:26:40,750 Super conversation. 3661 01:26:40,750 --> 01:26:41,625 Great to have you here. 3662 01:26:41,625 --> 01:26:42,666 Good luck with everything 3663 01:26:42,666 --> 01:26:43,333 in the future, 3664 01:26:43,333 --> 01:26:44,750 and I hope to see you soon. 3665 01:26:44,750 --> 01:26:45,416 In real life. 3666 01:26:45,416 --> 01:26:47,208 If not in Prague, 3667 01:26:47,208 --> 01:26:49,000 then somewhere else. 3668 01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:50,625 Yeah. 3669 01:26:50,625 --> 01:26:51,041 Good luck 3670 01:26:51,041 --> 01:26:51,916 with everything, guys. 3671 01:26:51,916 --> 01:26:52,875 Thank you so much. 3672 01:26:52,875 --> 01:26:54,000 Thanks for having me on. 3673 01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:55,458 And, you know, 3674 01:26:56,833 --> 01:26:57,958 just keep stay, 3675 01:26:57,958 --> 01:26:59,333 stay sovereign, I guess. 3676 01:26:59,333 --> 01:26:59,958 Just keep, 3677 01:26:59,958 --> 01:27:00,833 keep making up 3678 01:27:00,833 --> 01:27:02,708 your own minds. 3679 01:27:02,708 --> 01:27:03,541 Thanks, actually. 3680 01:27:03,541 --> 01:27:04,125 Awesome. 3681 01:27:04,125 --> 01:27:06,250 Well, with that, 3682 01:27:06,250 --> 01:27:06,875 is there any way 3683 01:27:06,875 --> 01:27:07,208 you'd like 3684 01:27:07,208 --> 01:27:08,791 to direct our listeners? 3685 01:27:08,791 --> 01:27:09,541 Where can they find out 3686 01:27:09,541 --> 01:27:11,750 more about 3687 01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:13,416 your project? 3688 01:27:13,416 --> 01:27:15,666 Oh, Bitcoin. All that. 3689 01:27:15,666 --> 01:27:16,666 Yeah. 3690 01:27:16,666 --> 01:27:17,250 It's just 3691 01:27:17,250 --> 01:27:18,166 if you're in Europe, 3692 01:27:18,166 --> 01:27:19,125 you can sign up to Bull 3693 01:27:19,125 --> 01:27:19,875 Bitcoin now 3694 01:27:19,875 --> 01:27:20,291 and start 3695 01:27:20,291 --> 01:27:22,166 using our services there. 3696 01:27:22,166 --> 01:27:24,000 You know where 3697 01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:25,541 we're just recently launched. 3698 01:27:25,541 --> 01:27:26,750 So still figuring things out. 3699 01:27:26,750 --> 01:27:28,125 But it's seems to be working 3700 01:27:28,125 --> 01:27:29,541 very smoothly. 3701 01:27:29,541 --> 01:27:32,291 And if you're Costa Rica 3702 01:27:32,291 --> 01:27:35,291 you can figure out how to pay 3703 01:27:35,375 --> 01:27:36,166 with Bitcoin 3704 01:27:36,166 --> 01:27:38,000 for absolutely everything 3705 01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:38,833 because we're integrated 3706 01:27:38,833 --> 01:27:40,291 with SymPy. There. 3707 01:27:40,291 --> 01:27:41,541 And then obviously 3708 01:27:41,541 --> 01:27:42,208 in Canada, 3709 01:27:42,208 --> 01:27:43,750 long running, 3710 01:27:43,750 --> 01:27:45,708 extremely good 3711 01:27:45,708 --> 01:27:47,083 Bitcoin services 3712 01:27:47,083 --> 01:27:48,458 for any of your needs 3713 01:27:48,458 --> 01:27:49,250 to kind of interact 3714 01:27:49,250 --> 01:27:51,291 with the fiat system. 3715 01:27:51,291 --> 01:27:53,166 And then I have artwork 3716 01:27:53,166 --> 01:27:54,708 listed at Madex Art, 3717 01:27:54,708 --> 01:27:55,750 and it's kind of always 3718 01:27:55,750 --> 01:27:57,000 changing and cycling 3719 01:27:58,458 --> 01:28:01,458 and, yeah, I would say just, 3720 01:28:01,708 --> 01:28:03,333 whoever is most important 3721 01:28:03,333 --> 01:28:04,666 to the actual function 3722 01:28:04,666 --> 01:28:05,416 of your life, like, 3723 01:28:05,416 --> 01:28:06,916 get those people on Bitcoin 3724 01:28:06,916 --> 01:28:08,000 and don't worry about any 3725 01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:09,166 anybody else. 3726 01:28:09,166 --> 01:28:12,166 And yeah. 3727 01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:14,416 Absolutely fantastic. 3728 01:28:14,416 --> 01:28:15,416 I think 3729 01:28:15,416 --> 01:28:16,250 that's the perfect way 3730 01:28:16,250 --> 01:28:17,625 to end the show. 3731 01:28:17,625 --> 01:28:18,666 So mate X 3732 01:28:18,666 --> 01:28:19,458 thank you again 3733 01:28:19,458 --> 01:28:20,208 for coming on. 3734 01:28:20,208 --> 01:28:22,250 And this is being the Bitcoin 3735 01:28:22,250 --> 01:28:23,291 Infinity Show. 3736 01:28:23,291 --> 01:28:24,416 Thank you for listening.