1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,389 as a business, when you consider Bitcoin as part of your strategy, Thank you. 2 00:00:05,717 --> 00:00:08,445 it's so beneficial in so many ways. 3 00:00:09,216 --> 00:00:10,226 Just look at the proof. 4 00:00:10,277 --> 00:00:14,887 Over a four year time period, our purchasing power had more than 5x, 5 00:00:15,611 --> 00:00:19,850 you'll still get the same benefit that Michael Saylor gets as a small 6 00:00:19,869 --> 00:00:23,720 operator And you should be considering that as well, if you don't own your 7 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,284 own business, it has the same effect. 8 00:00:25,524 --> 00:00:29,843 truly consider, because you can't make it with just thinking about income. 9 00:00:30,199 --> 00:00:30,835 You really can't. 10 00:00:30,844 --> 00:00:35,150 You're going to run faster and faster on a hamster wheel, chasing 11 00:00:35,150 --> 00:00:38,843 a currency that's getting weaker and weaker, You'll never catch up. 12 00:00:39,122 --> 00:00:43,106 So you need to have a balance sheet strategy to match 13 00:00:43,315 --> 00:00:44,206 with that income strategy. 14 00:00:44,342 --> 00:00:47,615 Not saying don't go out, like trying to grow your income and 15 00:00:47,624 --> 00:00:48,924 get other sources of income. 16 00:00:49,096 --> 00:00:51,959 Do all that, but have a strategy for your balance sheet as well, 17 00:00:51,959 --> 00:00:54,414 because one strategy is not enough. 18 00:01:33,583 --> 00:01:35,733 Ali, welcome to the Freedom Footprint show. 19 00:01:35,763 --> 00:01:36,683 Thanks for joining us. 20 00:01:37,069 --> 00:01:38,179 Thank you for having me, Luke. 21 00:01:38,451 --> 00:01:43,056 Yes, a legend in the kebab business, or the shawarma business. 22 00:01:43,056 --> 00:01:45,451 What's the difference between a shawarma? 23 00:01:45,859 --> 00:01:50,349 So shawarmas is basically that big, like, meat on a spit thing, where 24 00:01:50,359 --> 00:01:54,369 the kebab is like the little skewers of meat that go on the barbecue. 25 00:01:54,914 --> 00:01:56,294 we specialize in shawarmas. 26 00:01:56,294 --> 00:02:00,834 Uh, so we specialize in that big, you know, big meat on a 27 00:02:00,834 --> 00:02:02,814 spit, on the rotisserie spit. 28 00:02:02,854 --> 00:02:07,454 And, um, yeah, and then we make like wraps out of those that we call shawarmas. 29 00:02:07,864 --> 00:02:13,664 Okay, because I think this is a, uh, yeah, I'm not following protocol here, Luke, 30 00:02:13,664 --> 00:02:16,184 I know, but I want to clear this first. 31 00:02:16,224 --> 00:02:21,404 Like, uh, because in Sweden, where I grew up, there was no such thing as a shawarma. 32 00:02:21,444 --> 00:02:22,574 Everything was a kebab. 33 00:02:23,294 --> 00:02:26,674 And when we drove down to Germany, there was no kebab. 34 00:02:26,704 --> 00:02:27,434 There was a döner. 35 00:02:27,434 --> 00:02:31,324 There was Which is a kebab, which is apparently a shawarma. 36 00:02:31,634 --> 00:02:36,084 So, so, is it different from different, in different cultures, 37 00:02:36,084 --> 00:02:37,834 or what, what's going on there? 38 00:02:37,954 --> 00:02:42,624 So I'll give you the backstory on, on, uh, the shawarma, uh, 39 00:02:42,654 --> 00:02:45,265 business, or the origins of shawarma. 40 00:02:45,864 --> 00:02:53,544 it basically originated in Turkey and in Turkey, uh, it's, it's the, the idea 41 00:02:53,544 --> 00:02:58,804 was the meat on us on a vertical, uh, rotisserie spit that keeps on spinning 42 00:02:59,414 --> 00:03:03,564 and it cooks that way and you just shave off as the outer layer cooks. 43 00:03:04,654 --> 00:03:06,904 And, uh, in Turkey. 44 00:03:07,134 --> 00:03:09,014 It was called Donair, right? 45 00:03:09,014 --> 00:03:13,104 And it was made a certain way with certain ingredients, and 46 00:03:13,114 --> 00:03:14,574 they're the ones that invented it. 47 00:03:15,074 --> 00:03:17,704 And then it went to the Arabs. 48 00:03:17,844 --> 00:03:23,994 The Arabs took that idea, made it into their own, put different toppings on 49 00:03:23,994 --> 00:03:26,734 the wraps, spiced the meat differently. 50 00:03:27,209 --> 00:03:28,409 And called it shawarma. 51 00:03:29,389 --> 00:03:35,289 And then the Greeks took it and, uh, they did their own thing with it. 52 00:03:35,289 --> 00:03:39,009 They put Zeki on it, you know, like they put like their own type of 53 00:03:39,009 --> 00:03:44,019 toppings and they called it Euro or Gaia, or however you wanna call it. 54 00:03:44,869 --> 00:03:50,509 And then the rest of the Europeans, um, just saw this as, oh, this 55 00:03:50,524 --> 00:03:52,939 is like, like foreign food. 56 00:03:52,939 --> 00:03:54,139 Let's just call it all kebab. 57 00:03:56,269 --> 00:03:58,099 And I think that's. 58 00:03:58,479 --> 00:04:04,479 That's where, and oh, also the Lebanese immigrants went to Mexico and started 59 00:04:04,479 --> 00:04:09,729 the same idea and they did it with, with the Mexican style and they call it pastor 60 00:04:09,879 --> 00:04:12,279 or el pastor or something like that. 61 00:04:13,149 --> 00:04:18,949 So, uh, that's basically like the backstory of the origins of, shawarma 62 00:04:18,949 --> 00:04:22,039 or doner or gyro or however, they're all the same thing basically, but 63 00:04:22,089 --> 00:04:26,249 each country does it in a certain way with different toppings and, 64 00:04:26,249 --> 00:04:28,069 um, they made it into their own. 65 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:29,349 Okay. 66 00:04:29,789 --> 00:04:30,089 Yeah. 67 00:04:30,359 --> 00:04:30,829 So 68 00:04:33,159 --> 00:04:35,129 that's good to have that straightened out before we 69 00:04:35,254 --> 00:04:35,764 I love it. 70 00:04:35,764 --> 00:04:38,134 I love, I love how people, like, want to know where, cause 71 00:04:38,134 --> 00:04:39,754 I, I'm fascinated by this. 72 00:04:39,754 --> 00:04:40,984 I think this is awesome. 73 00:04:41,714 --> 00:04:45,234 Uh, how food, like, can integrate into different cultures and stuff, so. 74 00:04:45,501 --> 00:04:45,711 Yeah. 75 00:04:45,741 --> 00:04:48,841 And no matter what you call them, I absolutely love them. 76 00:04:48,901 --> 00:04:52,431 I, I love shawarma's, doner's and, and kebabs. 77 00:04:52,836 --> 00:04:57,596 Uh, and all, well, most of it, not too shitty ones though, but, but still, 78 00:04:57,636 --> 00:05:01,746 I, I grew up on these things, I love them, especially after a hard night 79 00:05:01,766 --> 00:05:07,126 out, uh, like, there's nothing like a roll of kebab before you go to bed. 80 00:05:07,526 --> 00:05:10,891 Um Anyway, enough about that for now. 81 00:05:11,361 --> 00:05:13,331 Tell us a little bit about you, Ali. 82 00:05:13,361 --> 00:05:17,791 Um, who, who, I mean, we want you on here for several reasons. 83 00:05:17,791 --> 00:05:22,151 I mean, you're a legendary bitcoiner, legendary comedian, legendary shawarma 84 00:05:22,151 --> 00:05:24,661 man, and, uh, legendary YouTuber. 85 00:05:24,661 --> 00:05:28,701 You've, you've got like, uh, at least one gazillion subscribers now. 86 00:05:28,741 --> 00:05:29,801 So, who are you? 87 00:05:29,811 --> 00:05:31,741 Give us the TLDR on Ali. 88 00:05:32,367 --> 00:05:38,929 Yeah, so, TLDR, I'm a, Canadian born immigrant, which means, like, I was, 89 00:05:38,939 --> 00:05:42,309 like, born Canadian, like, my parents were the original immigrants, but 90 00:05:42,319 --> 00:05:46,709 my parents ended up moving back to the Middle East for, for work, and 91 00:05:46,709 --> 00:05:48,429 I was born there and grew up there. 92 00:05:48,984 --> 00:05:58,144 And then I moved to Canada in 2011, right after the Arab Spring, the Egyptian 93 00:05:58,144 --> 00:06:03,581 Revolution, I was part of that, and then I came to Canada after and with 94 00:06:03,581 --> 00:06:09,036 the intent of You know, starting my career here, we were looking, me and 95 00:06:09,036 --> 00:06:13,846 my brother, which is my partner, we were looking for a business to buy, 96 00:06:14,443 --> 00:06:16,183 to kind of, you know, give us a start. 97 00:06:16,803 --> 00:06:22,963 And we found the Shorma restaurant in London, Ontario, that was for 98 00:06:22,963 --> 00:06:25,133 sale, so we ended up buying it. 99 00:06:25,683 --> 00:06:28,513 We had no experience at all in the restaurant industry. 100 00:06:29,113 --> 00:06:33,503 And the first few years were a little bit chaotic while we were 101 00:06:33,503 --> 00:06:37,943 trying to find our footing and figure the restaurant business out. 102 00:06:38,599 --> 00:06:42,319 TLDR again, like we figured it out and then we opened a second 103 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:47,269 restaurant and then a third restaurant all in Ontario, London, Ontario. 104 00:06:48,604 --> 00:06:52,324 And then from there, a lot of people came up to us and wanted 105 00:06:52,324 --> 00:06:54,394 to open like their own tahini. 106 00:06:54,694 --> 00:07:01,524 So they wanted us to franchise and we opened our first, uh, franchise location 107 00:07:01,614 --> 00:07:06,874 in late 2019 or early 2020, I wanna say. 108 00:07:07,814 --> 00:07:12,514 And from there we just kept growing this business. 109 00:07:13,324 --> 00:07:18,664 Uh, until now we're at 41 locations all over Canada. 110 00:07:18,724 --> 00:07:21,044 41 tahinis all over Canada. 111 00:07:21,764 --> 00:07:25,805 And, um, yeah, throughout the way, we were trying to be 112 00:07:25,835 --> 00:07:27,545 innovative as much as possible. 113 00:07:28,065 --> 00:07:33,515 So within our marketing strategy, early on, we realized that, you know, 114 00:07:33,515 --> 00:07:39,625 we're competing with McDonald's, Burger King, and KFC, and all these 115 00:07:39,625 --> 00:07:46,104 guys have a thousand X more budget, if not more in marketing dollars. 116 00:07:46,674 --> 00:07:51,654 So we had to find like a creative way to sort of reach our, our 117 00:07:51,654 --> 00:07:53,924 guests and our potential guests. 118 00:07:54,644 --> 00:08:00,984 So we adopted, uh, social media in an, in its organic form, trying 119 00:08:00,984 --> 00:08:07,075 to create content that would reach the masses organically without any, 120 00:08:07,225 --> 00:08:11,005 um, paid ads or stuff like that. 121 00:08:11,895 --> 00:08:17,155 And, uh, I started, I think we were like the first restaurant to, to be on TikTok, 122 00:08:18,395 --> 00:08:20,835 or one of the first, at least that I know. 123 00:08:21,413 --> 00:08:25,443 every, every platform, YouTube, we were like the first restaurant 124 00:08:25,453 --> 00:08:29,393 to probably hit a million subscribers as a restaurant account. 125 00:08:29,463 --> 00:08:33,453 Like, I know there's like personal chefs that do it, that also have 126 00:08:33,453 --> 00:08:38,573 restaurants, but as, as a restaurant only account, uh, we were probably the first 127 00:08:38,573 --> 00:08:40,393 restaurant to hit a million subscribers. 128 00:08:41,198 --> 00:08:46,828 And we just kept getting better and better at that until now we have 129 00:08:47,018 --> 00:08:52,658 more subscribers than McDonald's, Burger King, KFC combined. 130 00:08:53,602 --> 00:08:55,212 Wow, that's so cool. 131 00:08:55,592 --> 00:08:59,402 And like, so you, when did you hit a million, and when did you 132 00:08:59,402 --> 00:09:02,722 hit two million, because that, two million is pretty recent, right? 133 00:09:03,292 --> 00:09:04,582 Yeah, uh, yeah. 134 00:09:04,602 --> 00:09:11,872 Last year we, we hit a million and then this year we hit two million, I believe. 135 00:09:11,962 --> 00:09:12,252 Yeah. 136 00:09:12,834 --> 00:09:13,804 that's super cool. 137 00:09:14,104 --> 00:09:15,044 Like, uh, 138 00:09:17,394 --> 00:09:21,534 people always say when they talk about millions that the first million is the 139 00:09:21,534 --> 00:09:23,624 hardest one and it gets easier after that. 140 00:09:24,194 --> 00:09:26,314 And I think that's true for YouTube views. 141 00:09:26,484 --> 00:09:28,474 However, I don't think it's true for Bitcoin. 142 00:09:29,904 --> 00:09:32,994 In Bitcoin, the first million is the easiest one. 143 00:09:33,304 --> 00:09:35,174 It gets increasingly harder after that. 144 00:09:35,454 --> 00:09:36,874 And that's a feature, not a bug. 145 00:09:37,674 --> 00:09:38,034 Yeah. 146 00:09:38,709 --> 00:09:40,929 So, so how does Bitcoin come into all of this? 147 00:09:40,979 --> 00:09:46,259 When did you find Bitcoin and when did you realize that this is the thing 148 00:09:46,279 --> 00:09:50,039 where we need to start accepting it at our restaurants and stuff like that? 149 00:09:50,544 --> 00:09:50,804 Yes. 150 00:09:51,164 --> 00:09:57,014 So Bitcoin kind of like stormed in, uh, stormed through the 151 00:09:57,014 --> 00:10:00,130 gates, during 2020 for us. 152 00:10:00,810 --> 00:10:07,793 So during 2020, uh, when the COVID pandemic hit, our restaurants got 153 00:10:07,793 --> 00:10:17,763 like, At that time we only had, four restaurants and sales dropped from like, 154 00:10:17,823 --> 00:10:19,863 you know, dropped 80 percent in a week. 155 00:10:20,586 --> 00:10:26,476 From there, we obviously like, you know, um, went all out seven days a week 156 00:10:26,706 --> 00:10:28,376 trying to keep the restaurants afloat. 157 00:10:29,474 --> 00:10:37,104 And at the same time, personally, I had, I was, uh, sitting in a lot of cash. 158 00:10:37,639 --> 00:10:43,799 And when everything crashed, I decided, you know what, this is like my, my 159 00:10:43,799 --> 00:10:47,509 Warren Buffett moment, my 2008 Warren Buffett moment, where I go in and 160 00:10:47,909 --> 00:10:50,609 buy all these, uh, stocks for cheap. 161 00:10:51,339 --> 00:10:56,166 So I go in and I buy everything, and I put in a lot of money, and then, you know. 162 00:10:57,116 --> 00:11:01,106 I also buy a little bit of Bitcoin because it, it had crashed, 163 00:11:01,476 --> 00:11:03,686 uh, like 50 percent that month. 164 00:11:04,206 --> 00:11:07,186 And I was like, I have no idea what this thing is. 165 00:11:07,206 --> 00:11:08,736 I'll just buy a little bit of it. 166 00:11:09,616 --> 00:11:10,476 So I buy it. 167 00:11:10,826 --> 00:11:17,316 And then, you know, there's, um, a lot of people say like, you truly start to 168 00:11:17,316 --> 00:11:19,366 learn about something after you buy it. 169 00:11:20,476 --> 00:11:22,146 And that's exactly what happened. 170 00:11:22,146 --> 00:11:26,246 So I started going down this Bitcoin rabbit hole where I was 171 00:11:26,246 --> 00:11:28,746 like, um, reading Bitcoin articles. 172 00:11:29,321 --> 00:11:31,741 Uh, listening to podcasts. 173 00:11:32,721 --> 00:11:39,041 Started getting books and reading books and the more I fell into this rabbit 174 00:11:39,071 --> 00:11:45,591 hole, the more my allocation grew and it grew from like 5 percent to 10 percent 175 00:11:45,601 --> 00:11:50,681 to 20 percent to 50 percent to 80 percent to, holy shit, you know what, this is 176 00:11:50,741 --> 00:11:56,866 probably the biggest opportunity, in my life, so I'm just going to go all in. 177 00:11:56,926 --> 00:12:00,166 So I sold everything else and I just went all in on Bitcoin. 178 00:12:00,959 --> 00:12:02,519 And this is like over a few months. 179 00:12:02,519 --> 00:12:02,809 Right. 180 00:12:04,459 --> 00:12:10,139 And, but then from there, it sort of like it, it kind of hit me that it's not 181 00:12:10,139 --> 00:12:13,139 just the biggest opportunity in my life. 182 00:12:13,899 --> 00:12:16,459 It's, it's almost like a way of life. 183 00:12:17,063 --> 00:12:22,753 And when I had that change, like that paradigm shift, I was like, 184 00:12:22,783 --> 00:12:27,953 okay, I need to implement, I need to implement this into my family. 185 00:12:27,953 --> 00:12:32,603 So my parents, my, my siblings, like everybody that I love. 186 00:12:33,388 --> 00:12:35,678 But I also need to incorporate that into my business. 187 00:12:37,278 --> 00:12:41,648 So, I orange pilled my partners along the way. 188 00:12:42,368 --> 00:12:47,088 They became Bitcoiners, not as hardcore as I am, but they became Bitcoiners. 189 00:12:47,508 --> 00:12:52,858 And then, in August, we decided, like, I personally ran out of money and 190 00:12:52,858 --> 00:12:54,468 I just wanted to buy more Bitcoin. 191 00:12:55,328 --> 00:13:00,308 And in August, we decided to put the company's money 192 00:13:00,988 --> 00:13:02,338 into buying Bitcoin as well. 193 00:13:03,029 --> 00:13:03,809 so we did that. 194 00:13:04,654 --> 00:13:08,284 And, uh, we, we tweeted about it. 195 00:13:08,464 --> 00:13:11,914 That's, that's when I created like the tahini tick, the Twitter account. 196 00:13:12,154 --> 00:13:12,484 Right. 197 00:13:13,104 --> 00:13:14,874 And we tweeted about it. 198 00:13:14,894 --> 00:13:15,594 We said, okay. 199 00:13:15,594 --> 00:13:18,014 Like we're a company out of London, Ontario. 200 00:13:19,004 --> 00:13:23,384 We, we have this, this, and we decided to adopt Bitcoin as a treasury reserve. 201 00:13:23,764 --> 00:13:27,874 And that was like a week after Michael Saylor, uh, did his move. 202 00:13:27,874 --> 00:13:27,964 That's. 203 00:13:28,824 --> 00:13:32,124 Michael really kind of like pushed us over the cliff, like we were 204 00:13:32,124 --> 00:13:36,414 debating about it, and then -Michael really like, you know, uh, gave us 205 00:13:36,414 --> 00:13:42,244 that last push, and it was probably one of the best business decisions 206 00:13:43,474 --> 00:13:46,474 ever made in, in, in our company. 207 00:13:46,854 --> 00:13:52,284 And, um, yeah, we just kept buying Bitcoin on a regular basis ever since. 208 00:13:52,934 --> 00:13:55,084 And, uh, we haven't looked back. 209 00:13:55,869 --> 00:13:56,979 That's such a cool story. 210 00:13:57,029 --> 00:14:01,609 And you know, Michael's company name implies that he might not 211 00:14:01,649 --> 00:14:05,179 keep up to restaurant standards when it comes to cooking, since 212 00:14:05,189 --> 00:14:07,309 micro implies microwave, right? 213 00:14:08,755 --> 00:14:12,555 should change his company to Macrostrategy instead. 214 00:14:12,630 --> 00:14:12,980 yeah. 215 00:14:14,550 --> 00:14:18,100 He's becoming a micro strategist and not a micro strategist. 216 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,480 Oh, well, but that's, yeah, what a cool story. 217 00:14:22,090 --> 00:14:27,860 Uh, so, so, is Tahinis still only Canada only or is it, uh, 218 00:14:28,344 --> 00:14:28,734 Yes. 219 00:14:28,734 --> 00:14:34,044 So our, like, our game plan and our strategy is basically to conquer 220 00:14:34,049 --> 00:14:38,624 Canada first and then move to the US and then move internationally. 221 00:14:38,684 --> 00:14:42,924 So, um, we're in that conquering Canada phase. 222 00:14:43,629 --> 00:14:47,749 42 locations is a pretty, you know, good achievement for, for four years. 223 00:14:49,129 --> 00:14:51,529 Um, from, from our first franchise that opened. 224 00:14:52,819 --> 00:14:56,919 So, but next year we will be opening our first location in the US. 225 00:14:57,849 --> 00:15:02,129 I don't have a confirmation on which city exactly that's going to be. 226 00:15:02,229 --> 00:15:06,549 There's multiple options on the table right now, but next year, 227 00:15:06,559 --> 00:15:08,299 we're within the next 12 months. 228 00:15:09,061 --> 00:15:11,201 we're looking at, uh, our first U. 229 00:15:11,201 --> 00:15:11,371 S. 230 00:15:11,371 --> 00:15:11,811 location. 231 00:15:12,813 --> 00:15:14,753 and where does the name Tahinis come from? 232 00:15:14,783 --> 00:15:15,753 Is that your surname? 233 00:15:16,515 --> 00:15:20,745 Uh, no, it's just, it's just a name that we came up with. 234 00:15:20,955 --> 00:15:24,015 Tahini is, is like one of our main sauces that we use 235 00:15:24,325 --> 00:15:24,725 Okay. 236 00:15:24,785 --> 00:15:25,565 in the restaurant. 237 00:15:25,835 --> 00:15:27,895 The tahini sauce, it's like a sesame paste. 238 00:15:28,275 --> 00:15:32,565 And we, we kind of saw it as like, we want to be like the Chipotles 239 00:15:32,575 --> 00:15:34,205 of the Middle East sort of thing. 240 00:15:35,095 --> 00:15:38,385 So, so we got the inspiration from that idea. 241 00:15:39,865 --> 00:15:40,165 All right. 242 00:15:40,165 --> 00:15:40,675 Yeah, yeah. 243 00:15:41,075 --> 00:15:46,825 I mean, I've, I've seen your videos and first of all, they're hilarious, uh, and, 244 00:15:46,825 --> 00:15:50,475 uh, second, Uh, they look extremely tasty. 245 00:15:50,475 --> 00:15:53,445 I'm like, why isn't there a tahini's here over here? 246 00:15:53,605 --> 00:15:54,905 Like I would go every day. 247 00:15:56,325 --> 00:15:56,725 Maybe not. 248 00:15:56,805 --> 00:15:57,525 Maybe that's a lie. 249 00:15:57,605 --> 00:15:58,785 I would go once a week. 250 00:16:00,545 --> 00:16:01,865 Uh, yeah. 251 00:16:02,035 --> 00:16:07,005 So if, if you ever need to start a tahini's somewhere in Europe, maybe we 252 00:16:07,005 --> 00:16:09,225 can, maybe we can figure that out somehow. 253 00:16:09,566 --> 00:16:13,966 Yeah, so we're, we're, we're looking at the UK right now. 254 00:16:14,864 --> 00:16:19,704 the, the challenge with opening franchises is that you need a partner, right? 255 00:16:19,704 --> 00:16:24,604 You need a partner that is sold on, on the restaurant, sold on the business 256 00:16:24,864 --> 00:16:27,364 that wants to open their own tahinis. 257 00:16:27,624 --> 00:16:33,190 So, so that's, you know, having somebody in Canada is easy and the States a little 258 00:16:33,190 --> 00:16:36,730 bit easier, but international, it's, it's a little bit more of a challenge. 259 00:16:37,574 --> 00:16:40,324 So, but yeah, we're, we're going to get there eventually. 260 00:16:41,079 --> 00:16:42,539 It just needs more time. 261 00:16:43,474 --> 00:16:43,944 cool. 262 00:16:45,814 --> 00:16:48,044 UK is not really Europe anymore though. 263 00:16:48,044 --> 00:16:49,404 I'm sorry, but they left. 264 00:16:49,829 --> 00:16:52,139 Oh yeah, I don't know. 265 00:16:52,139 --> 00:16:52,829 It is to me. 266 00:16:53,504 --> 00:16:56,969 They, they're not in, they're not in this lovely, you know, 267 00:16:57,719 --> 00:16:59,789 flag with stars on the front. 268 00:16:59,789 --> 00:17:03,059 And, uh, red background, uh, I mean a blue brack background, uh, 269 00:17:05,439 --> 00:17:09,889 this wonderful free trade agreement thing that turned into, you know, 270 00:17:10,499 --> 00:17:12,179 strawberry measuring contest. 271 00:17:12,629 --> 00:17:15,189 Anyway, um, yeah. 272 00:17:15,999 --> 00:17:18,459 Luke, do you have any questions for Ali? 273 00:17:18,774 --> 00:17:26,184 Yeah, so, uh, so I'm, I'm from Canada, um, Calgary, uh, and, and, uh, yeah, I, 274 00:17:26,224 --> 00:17:30,164 I am a recent lever from, from Canada. 275 00:17:30,164 --> 00:17:33,158 I've, I've been in Finland almost three years now. 276 00:17:33,503 --> 00:17:37,563 and I didn't leave only because of, of what was going on politically, 277 00:17:38,023 --> 00:17:43,123 uh, but the, the, the thing was that life was getting pretty tough, uh, 278 00:17:43,373 --> 00:17:47,863 under Justin Trudeau, especially, especially, uh, in, in Alberta. 279 00:17:48,273 --> 00:17:54,683 and, and, yeah, just, uh, your, your take, uh, um, on, on kind of how, how 280 00:17:54,683 --> 00:17:59,458 things are going in Canada right now, because it, I mean, There's, there's, 281 00:17:59,788 --> 00:18:03,838 uh, there's a lot of optimistic people, uh, in Canada, a lot of Bitcoiners 282 00:18:03,838 --> 00:18:07,528 that are, that are doing great things and are, are super optimistic. 283 00:18:07,558 --> 00:18:14,248 Uh, what's, what's your take on Bitcoin in Canada, the Canadian situation in general? 284 00:18:14,628 --> 00:18:16,518 Uh, open-ended question sort of. 285 00:18:18,163 --> 00:18:18,503 Yeah. 286 00:18:18,503 --> 00:18:24,743 I mean, like when it comes to politics, like it's, you know, I 287 00:18:24,743 --> 00:18:29,403 used to care a lot and now I just realized that the best thing. 288 00:18:29,883 --> 00:18:36,273 The best political move or stance you could take is to just focus on 289 00:18:36,503 --> 00:18:44,943 Bitcoin because, you know, if most of the problems in, in the world today is 290 00:18:44,973 --> 00:18:52,443 because the money is broken and left, right, uh, you know, I stopped caring. 291 00:18:53,073 --> 00:18:59,673 And, uh, you know, if the only thing I would engage in with politics is to 292 00:18:59,693 --> 00:19:06,742 help Bitcoin move forward, uh, so I did have, Pierre Poliev, who's the guy 293 00:19:06,782 --> 00:19:13,197 running against Trudeau right now, I Had him come to Tahini and he bought a 294 00:19:13,197 --> 00:19:16,767 shawarma with Bitcoin and it was big news. 295 00:19:16,827 --> 00:19:22,307 It was like the first, you know, uh, can, you know, candidate that, 296 00:19:22,727 --> 00:19:24,677 uh, bought something with Bitcoin. 297 00:19:25,647 --> 00:19:31,947 And I also also, Pierre became, we became good friends, uh, from there. 298 00:19:32,547 --> 00:19:38,757 And he also invited me to speak to the finance committee and the finance minister 299 00:19:38,757 --> 00:19:41,257 and the, the members of parliament. 300 00:19:42,362 --> 00:19:44,712 Uh, for the, the yearly financial budget. 301 00:19:44,712 --> 00:19:49,112 So, like, it was like this meeting where they were going to decide, okay, what are 302 00:19:49,112 --> 00:19:53,787 we going to spend on, what are we going to spend all this printed money on, right? 303 00:19:53,787 --> 00:20:02,110 So, I went up there and I prepared a 5 minute, speech trying to convince them 304 00:20:02,140 --> 00:20:10,440 that they I should be open to adopting Bitcoin as, as like a new technology, 305 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:18,080 they should ride the technology wave of Bitcoin, like El Salvador, and they 306 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:23,310 should, I told, I recommended that they should adopt Bitcoin as legal tender. 307 00:20:24,580 --> 00:20:31,540 And then finally, I told them that they should borrow 10 billion from 308 00:20:31,550 --> 00:20:35,860 the Central Bank of Canada, and they should go buy Bitcoin with it. 309 00:20:38,190 --> 00:20:42,724 And of course, I got laughed at, you know, especially on the way down during 310 00:20:42,724 --> 00:20:48,074 the bear market, uh, everybody was dunking on us and they're like, huh, 311 00:20:48,114 --> 00:20:53,064 like, hey, how's that, you know, how's that Bitcoin thing going, you know, like. 312 00:20:53,844 --> 00:21:00,664 Uh, so, from there, if I look back, when, when I recommended the government should 313 00:21:00,664 --> 00:21:07,414 buy 10 billion worth of Bitcoin, Bitcoin I think was at 50, 000 Canadian, it's now 314 00:21:07,414 --> 00:21:10,694 at 90 something thousand dollars Canadian. 315 00:21:11,224 --> 00:21:16,637 So, they would have made a lot of money if they listened to me, but they didn't, 316 00:21:16,647 --> 00:21:21,637 so now I get to tell them I told you so, and, you know, maybe I can do a 317 00:21:21,637 --> 00:21:27,897 push, try to rally Canadians to try to convince the government to be more Bitcoin 318 00:21:28,147 --> 00:21:32,553 friendly, and I think that's honestly, like, that's the best thing to focus on. 319 00:21:33,235 --> 00:21:34,715 everything else is just noise. 320 00:21:36,126 --> 00:21:43,196 Yeah, so, and definitely that's a great perspective and interesting that you 321 00:21:43,196 --> 00:21:49,996 got so involved, I guess, in the little bit that Canada has dipped its toes, 322 00:21:49,996 --> 00:21:52,646 I suppose, politically into Bitcoin. 323 00:21:53,706 --> 00:21:59,101 Just leaving the politics aside though, I mean, uh, Uh, how is the Bitcoin 324 00:21:59,151 --> 00:22:02,471 scene in Canada going right now? 325 00:22:03,751 --> 00:22:06,851 Again, lots of great Bitcoiners in Canada. 326 00:22:07,201 --> 00:22:12,883 I saw that there was recently a setback in BullBitcoin's Canada Post thing, 327 00:22:12,883 --> 00:22:16,543 but it seems like the Bitcoin community in Canada is doing really well. 328 00:22:16,563 --> 00:22:17,683 What's your take on that? 329 00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:25,730 The Bitcoin community is probably like the, and that's like worldwide, the 330 00:22:25,740 --> 00:22:27,920 best community I've ever been a part of. 331 00:22:28,820 --> 00:22:35,040 And, um, the Canadian Bitcoin community, especially like you put sound money with, 332 00:22:35,100 --> 00:22:41,320 with just cool and nice people, like the, that combination is killer, right? 333 00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:45,895 That's why you get like, Incredible Bitcoiners here in Canada like, 334 00:22:46,285 --> 00:22:52,483 you know, um, Francis, Jeff Booth, from, you know, and Greg Foss and, 335 00:22:52,493 --> 00:22:59,283 and, uh, Brad Mills and, and like so many amazing Bitcoiners here. 336 00:22:59,663 --> 00:23:05,723 And the, the best thing about The, the, well, for Canadian Bitcoiners, 337 00:23:05,793 --> 00:23:07,513 it's there, it's exploding. 338 00:23:07,583 --> 00:23:11,793 We have the Canadian Bitcoin conference happening in May. 339 00:23:12,353 --> 00:23:19,813 We have like a Bitcoin halving party organized in Ontario where hundreds 340 00:23:19,813 --> 00:23:21,583 of people are going to show up. 341 00:23:22,183 --> 00:23:27,793 Uh, so it's a very tight niche, crazy community. 342 00:23:28,354 --> 00:23:32,559 but we're very loud and we make a splash and, you know, Uh, we're, we're 343 00:23:32,589 --> 00:23:37,469 causing waves and we're causing ripple effects and overall it's just, we're 344 00:23:37,469 --> 00:23:44,029 just another part of the Bitcoin network and we're doing our own thing and we 345 00:23:44,029 --> 00:23:48,369 love everybody else and like, this is, this is the best thing about Bitcoin. 346 00:23:48,639 --> 00:23:53,949 Like Bitcoin as a network is borderless. 347 00:23:54,674 --> 00:24:01,514 It's open, permissionless, and there's nothing more open and secure 348 00:24:02,284 --> 00:24:04,454 than, you know, other than Bitcoin. 349 00:24:05,464 --> 00:24:07,914 And it sort of translates to the community. 350 00:24:09,054 --> 00:24:12,404 So the community ends up being borderless. 351 00:24:12,849 --> 00:24:13,179 Right? 352 00:24:13,809 --> 00:24:19,689 I, you know, you know, love you guys more than a lot of people 353 00:24:19,699 --> 00:24:21,549 that I know very well here. 354 00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:28,859 And the reason is because I know, you know, you guys have the same 355 00:24:29,189 --> 00:24:33,789 ideas and the same level of thinking and we have the same mission. 356 00:24:34,699 --> 00:24:37,389 And we're all about truth. 357 00:24:37,514 --> 00:24:41,314 So, 358 00:24:43,754 --> 00:24:48,994 I already connect with you guys more than I connect with a lot of people here 359 00:24:49,054 --> 00:24:52,944 that I know and I, like, you know, some people I work with even, like, every day. 360 00:24:53,984 --> 00:24:57,574 So, this is the best thing, in my opinion, about the Bitcoin community. 361 00:24:58,629 --> 00:25:03,689 The other thing too is just, they're so nice, they like, when we announced, uh, 362 00:25:03,729 --> 00:25:07,779 our Bitcoin strategy for the company, that was like our, our coming out moment. 363 00:25:08,059 --> 00:25:12,079 And we were just met with nothing but love from the community. 364 00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:18,209 Everybody was like, retweeting about it and, and talking about tahinis and like 365 00:25:18,209 --> 00:25:20,449 seeing like amazing things about us. 366 00:25:20,489 --> 00:25:23,169 And it was like, man, these guys are awesome. 367 00:25:24,254 --> 00:25:29,474 So, uh, it just keeps getting better here in Canada for, for Bitcoiners and, and 368 00:25:29,474 --> 00:25:33,804 it's going to grow, especially in the coming couple years when more and more 369 00:25:33,804 --> 00:25:35,354 people start to come into the space. 370 00:25:35,684 --> 00:25:39,114 And, um, yeah, we're happy to be a beacon of hope. 371 00:25:40,006 --> 00:25:41,006 Right back at you, man. 372 00:25:41,056 --> 00:25:48,576 And, uh, I saw a fantastic map, uh, the other day of, um, searches, 373 00:25:48,616 --> 00:25:52,776 Google searches for the word Bitcoin per capita in each country. 374 00:25:53,316 --> 00:25:56,866 And Canada is like, uh, has the biggest number. 375 00:25:57,131 --> 00:26:01,281 search number for the word Bitcoin per capita and on the entire American, both 376 00:26:01,311 --> 00:26:04,051 American continents, which is pretty cool. 377 00:26:05,141 --> 00:26:10,211 But I think it's due to some of the great Bitcoiners that are Canucks, 378 00:26:10,761 --> 00:26:16,851 like yourself, Luke, I mean, and everyone else we mentioned, 379 00:26:17,831 --> 00:26:19,491 and we're forgetting a lot too. 380 00:26:19,911 --> 00:26:21,066 Um, but. 381 00:26:21,646 --> 00:26:25,486 The thing you said about the network, let me try to give you a perspective here, 382 00:26:25,526 --> 00:26:29,056 if you can bear with me for a minute or two, like, and, and, uh, because I'd 383 00:26:29,056 --> 00:26:30,616 like to see what you think of this idea. 384 00:26:31,116 --> 00:26:35,796 So, so I've had this idea for, uh, quite some time, um, that if you think 385 00:26:35,796 --> 00:26:41,036 about, What, what owning a Bitcoin is like, what does it mean to own a 386 00:26:41,036 --> 00:26:45,086 Bitcoin or even to possess a Bitcoin is even a better term for it because 387 00:26:45,146 --> 00:26:47,556 ownership is something more legal. 388 00:26:47,596 --> 00:26:53,636 Possession is when you really, when something is really possessed by you and 389 00:26:53,976 --> 00:26:57,996 with Bitcoin, you might be possessed by it as well, but that's another topic. 390 00:26:58,426 --> 00:26:59,416 So the thing is. 391 00:26:59,976 --> 00:27:03,946 Uh, when I think about that, like if you memorize your, the first thought 392 00:27:03,946 --> 00:27:08,736 I had was like, if you memorize your 12 magic words, your seed phrase, uh, 393 00:27:08,836 --> 00:27:13,706 and you destroy every other location that seed phrase exists in, then those 394 00:27:13,756 --> 00:27:15,916 bitcoins exist solely in your head. 395 00:27:16,556 --> 00:27:17,456 That's where they are. 396 00:27:17,476 --> 00:27:18,356 They're nowhere else. 397 00:27:19,711 --> 00:27:23,521 But when you think a little deeper about that, you realize that that is true 398 00:27:23,521 --> 00:27:28,921 for all bitcoins, because all owning them means is you're keeping a secret. 399 00:27:28,961 --> 00:27:30,031 You don't really own them. 400 00:27:30,051 --> 00:27:34,121 You have the ability to unlock them and move them, right? 401 00:27:34,511 --> 00:27:35,651 So it's not really ownership. 402 00:27:35,651 --> 00:27:37,031 It's not really possession either. 403 00:27:37,031 --> 00:27:37,891 It's something else. 404 00:27:39,531 --> 00:27:42,851 And if you take this thought even further, if you think about what 405 00:27:42,851 --> 00:27:49,396 a computer is, Um, then all that is it's ones and zeros in a row. 406 00:27:49,396 --> 00:27:54,106 Like, so it's calculating stuff for human beings, but it's basically 407 00:27:54,106 --> 00:27:55,496 just an extension of our brains. 408 00:27:55,706 --> 00:27:58,416 It's like an abacus, but a very, very advanced abacus. 409 00:27:59,306 --> 00:28:05,386 Uh, so all the computers used in Bitcoin are just extensions 410 00:28:05,406 --> 00:28:07,006 of the Bitcoiners minds. 411 00:28:07,996 --> 00:28:12,546 And the, the miner is not the hangar full of ASICs. 412 00:28:12,696 --> 00:28:16,696 It's the guy deciding to buy all those ASICs and run the software. 413 00:28:17,106 --> 00:28:18,046 That's the miner. 414 00:28:20,091 --> 00:28:25,631 Especially we can get into the debate of miners versus hash salesmen and that you 415 00:28:25,631 --> 00:28:30,271 need to connect to a transparent pool if you actually want to be a Bitcoin miner. 416 00:28:30,271 --> 00:28:31,841 But let's not go there for now. 417 00:28:31,851 --> 00:28:37,241 Like, also, if you're running a node to see that the transactions you make 418 00:28:37,241 --> 00:28:41,141 and the transactions you receive are valid and follow the rules that you 419 00:28:43,171 --> 00:28:50,016 define as Bitcoin, that node is not Actually, the Raspberry Pi running 420 00:28:50,226 --> 00:28:56,036 Umbral, it's you deciding to run the software, regardless of if you're 421 00:28:56,036 --> 00:29:01,756 running Bitcoin Core on an old laptop or, you know, something else on a 422 00:29:01,866 --> 00:29:04,626 Start 9 or a Raspberry Pi or whatever. 423 00:29:05,696 --> 00:29:08,636 The point is, there's a person behind all of it. 424 00:29:09,761 --> 00:29:13,411 And the computers involved are just extensions of our minds. 425 00:29:14,241 --> 00:29:19,891 So we, we aren't, maybe not all Satoshi, but we are the Satoshis. 426 00:29:20,451 --> 00:29:24,631 And that's what makes a Satoshi something else than just mere data. 427 00:29:25,411 --> 00:29:29,981 Uh, it's all the other data can be copied, but we are the bitcoins. 428 00:29:31,091 --> 00:29:36,286 So you and I, and Luke, We're not only parts of the same network, 429 00:29:36,336 --> 00:29:38,246 we're parts of the same entity. 430 00:29:38,606 --> 00:29:40,946 We are more than mere humans. 431 00:29:41,656 --> 00:29:42,726 We are Bitcoin. 432 00:29:43,286 --> 00:29:44,186 We are Legion. 433 00:29:45,301 --> 00:29:47,131 We cannot be stopped. 434 00:29:47,821 --> 00:29:47,901 I 435 00:29:48,121 --> 00:29:48,841 Deal with it. 436 00:29:50,271 --> 00:29:51,131 G E F Y. 437 00:29:51,281 --> 00:29:53,701 Like, it's wonderful. 438 00:29:54,201 --> 00:29:54,511 Yeah. 439 00:29:56,366 --> 00:29:56,756 Yeah. 440 00:29:56,786 --> 00:29:58,116 I love, I love that idea. 441 00:29:58,136 --> 00:30:03,166 And that's, that's the, that's the reason why the bond between Bitcoiners 442 00:30:03,166 --> 00:30:08,596 is so strong and it's so strong without, without us having to meet each other. 443 00:30:09,166 --> 00:30:11,836 So, yeah, absolutely. 444 00:30:11,836 --> 00:30:21,856 Like, uh, I, I like to, you know, if you go back in history, you, you know, 445 00:30:21,866 --> 00:30:29,296 you can see that one of the main, um, reasons for civilizations to, to grow 446 00:30:29,296 --> 00:30:40,406 and expand Bitcoin is by trade and throughout history, almost, well, I 447 00:30:40,406 --> 00:30:46,336 don't want to say all wars, but most wars have been fought for those trade routes. 448 00:30:49,916 --> 00:30:55,446 And what Bitcoin basically came and did is that, 449 00:30:57,606 --> 00:31:02,166 and it's the first thing that ever conceived of that idea, is that it 450 00:31:02,316 --> 00:31:06,466 secured our trade routes forever. 451 00:31:07,656 --> 00:31:11,636 So we can, you know, we can have true relationships. 452 00:31:11,912 --> 00:31:17,041 So we were able to connect with each other without having the need for militaries 453 00:31:17,811 --> 00:31:25,871 and governments to protect our trade and our communication and all of that. 454 00:31:26,711 --> 00:31:33,001 So it opened the front to, for like people to deal with one another 455 00:31:33,851 --> 00:31:35,491 in a completely different way. 456 00:31:35,551 --> 00:31:38,111 Like we've never seen anything like this. 457 00:31:38,461 --> 00:31:46,291 In history, there's, there was always wars for trades and, and, um, wars 458 00:31:46,311 --> 00:31:50,961 between nations and Bitcoin came and just flipped out over its head and said, 459 00:31:50,981 --> 00:31:58,176 okay, you can securely trade with one another now, um, let's see who you are. 460 00:31:58,656 --> 00:31:58,916 Right. 461 00:31:58,916 --> 00:32:01,086 And we're seeing that in real life right now. 462 00:32:01,876 --> 00:32:03,776 So it's, it's pretty amazing. 463 00:32:03,776 --> 00:32:07,756 And that's just the only thing like I can add that was an amazing rant, by the way. 464 00:32:07,756 --> 00:32:09,346 And we are Bitcoin. 465 00:32:09,506 --> 00:32:10,656 I love that. 466 00:32:11,641 --> 00:32:13,431 Yeah, it's hard to debunk, right? 467 00:32:13,551 --> 00:32:18,701 You can't really say, uh, I mean, I'm made up of kebab and bitcoin. 468 00:32:18,701 --> 00:32:20,421 That's, that's basically my body. 469 00:32:20,731 --> 00:32:21,081 Yes. 470 00:32:24,406 --> 00:32:24,936 Me too. 471 00:32:25,151 --> 00:32:25,791 There you go! 472 00:32:26,301 --> 00:32:27,211 Shawarma, sorry. 473 00:32:30,181 --> 00:32:34,441 Yeah, I mean, the non violent interactions. 474 00:32:34,821 --> 00:32:38,531 These are all trades, like we're trading right now, we're trading 475 00:32:38,531 --> 00:32:39,951 information, we're trading words. 476 00:32:40,211 --> 00:32:43,754 Like everything's a trade, until you introduce violence. 477 00:32:44,454 --> 00:32:50,374 And for, for anyone to engage in anything consensually, uh, they need to think 478 00:32:50,384 --> 00:32:51,804 that there's something in it for them. 479 00:32:52,725 --> 00:32:55,335 otherwise the, the interaction doesn't happen. 480 00:32:55,975 --> 00:32:59,865 And this is true for all trades, but I would say it's true for every human 481 00:32:59,865 --> 00:33:02,505 interaction that is not violent. 482 00:33:03,100 --> 00:33:09,620 And as soon as you introduce violence, one party loses, uh, one party 483 00:33:09,620 --> 00:33:11,400 wins at the expense of the other. 484 00:33:11,660 --> 00:33:13,400 Like, that's just what happens. 485 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:19,370 And we've been living in a, all of human history is, is colored by this 486 00:33:19,980 --> 00:33:25,270 mix between consensual interactions and non consensual interactions, 487 00:33:25,630 --> 00:33:26,880 which are all over the place. 488 00:33:27,620 --> 00:33:34,370 And so we're taught in schools that democracy is the shit, da shit. 489 00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:40,650 But Civilization happened despite democracy, not because of it. 490 00:33:41,170 --> 00:33:47,280 Like democracy might have been better than other hindering hindrance 491 00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:49,350 systems that were in place before it. 492 00:33:49,450 --> 00:33:56,920 We can debate that too, but still it's not the thing that makes Societies work. 493 00:33:57,530 --> 00:34:03,010 Trade is like free trade is the thing that makes makes things work in the l Farron. 494 00:34:03,847 --> 00:34:07,607 so, so that's just what, what I think now, now we've got a system 495 00:34:07,957 --> 00:34:12,042 that they cannot do anything about, and that is very, very important. 496 00:34:12,402 --> 00:34:16,992 Expensive to try to attack, regardless of if you try to attack the Bitcoiner, 497 00:34:17,102 --> 00:34:20,022 because the Bitcoiner can just die with all the Bitcoin in his head. 498 00:34:20,402 --> 00:34:23,742 The Bitcoiner doesn't have to give you all his Bitcoins because you cannot know 499 00:34:23,742 --> 00:34:25,902 how many Bitcoins another person has. 500 00:34:26,717 --> 00:34:31,347 I don't know if you have 10 or a hundred or a million, like, and I can never know. 501 00:34:31,997 --> 00:34:34,767 So, and that's true for everyone on earth, by the way. 502 00:34:35,387 --> 00:34:40,077 So we just, as you said, we've, uh, flipped everything. 503 00:34:40,457 --> 00:34:43,097 So yeah, that's what I find so insanely fascinating about it. 504 00:34:43,117 --> 00:34:48,077 But I truly believe that this notion that we are our bitcoins is why you feel 505 00:34:48,077 --> 00:34:53,507 that way, that you love us more than some other poor soul that is working for you. 506 00:34:53,547 --> 00:34:56,337 But, uh, but yeah, I feel it too. 507 00:34:57,557 --> 00:34:58,147 We all do. 508 00:34:58,762 --> 00:34:59,292 Yeah, I agree. 509 00:34:59,332 --> 00:35:03,192 And the other thing to, to add to your point is like, you know, if they even 510 00:35:03,192 --> 00:35:08,382 like kill a Bitcoiner, you just, by killing that Bitcoiner and that Bitcoiner 511 00:35:08,392 --> 00:35:10,432 dies a little Bitcoin, like in his head. 512 00:35:10,867 --> 00:35:17,457 You've just, you've also made every other Bitcoin, Bitcoiner stronger because you, 513 00:35:17,497 --> 00:35:24,037 you, you know, you remove those coins from the network or from the circulating supply 514 00:35:24,597 --> 00:35:27,037 and just made everybody else stronger. 515 00:35:27,057 --> 00:35:28,627 So you can't kill us. 516 00:35:28,627 --> 00:35:30,107 We're just going to come back stronger. 517 00:35:30,127 --> 00:35:33,557 It's like the Hydra that you cut it off and comes back with two heads, 518 00:35:33,707 --> 00:35:37,307 you know, so it's, it's so resilient. 519 00:35:37,742 --> 00:35:42,292 And yeah, it's just amazing to, to be a part of. 520 00:35:42,532 --> 00:35:46,452 I'm so bullish on, on so many aspects about Bitcoin. 521 00:35:46,452 --> 00:35:50,662 The other, the other aspect, like another aspect that I'm really 522 00:35:50,662 --> 00:35:56,182 bullish on is that, you know, the, the decentralized, the decentralized. 523 00:35:57,287 --> 00:35:59,207 Characteristic of the community. 524 00:35:59,957 --> 00:36:00,477 So 525 00:36:02,937 --> 00:36:06,487 Bitcoin being a decentralized network, you know, benefits that 526 00:36:06,487 --> 00:36:09,377 the actual network in a massive way. 527 00:36:10,277 --> 00:36:14,757 But when you put a decentralized community on top of that as well, 528 00:36:15,357 --> 00:36:25,047 everybody all over the world is doing their own thing to help advance Bitcoin, 529 00:36:25,057 --> 00:36:31,157 you know, uh, you guys, you're writing books, you're doing a podcast, you're, 530 00:36:31,167 --> 00:36:32,667 you're doing so many other things. 531 00:36:33,602 --> 00:36:39,482 I'm, uh, you know, trying to talk about Bitcoin for businesses, for people in 532 00:36:39,482 --> 00:36:41,672 Canada, you know, somebody in the U. 533 00:36:41,672 --> 00:36:41,932 S. 534 00:36:41,972 --> 00:36:46,792 is doing their own thing, and we're all doing this in a way where we're 535 00:36:46,792 --> 00:36:53,742 not like coordinated, you know, where we're organized in a decentralized 536 00:36:53,822 --> 00:36:56,022 manner, but we're not coordinated. 537 00:36:57,092 --> 00:37:02,122 And it's almost like we're like a decentralized intelligence agency. 538 00:37:02,122 --> 00:37:02,142 Yeah. 539 00:37:02,142 --> 00:37:02,337 Yeah. 540 00:37:02,767 --> 00:37:03,557 That is secret. 541 00:37:03,587 --> 00:37:10,827 That is like pushing, um, the success of its own empire or its own country. 542 00:37:10,847 --> 00:37:13,747 Like, if you consider like, you know, you know, there's like a Bitcoin 543 00:37:14,517 --> 00:37:16,677 empire or Bitcoin country, right? 544 00:37:17,557 --> 00:37:20,827 Every single one of us is like a member of this like intelligence 545 00:37:20,827 --> 00:37:26,547 agency that is like pushing to advance education, the adoption, the, 546 00:37:26,617 --> 00:37:29,387 the, uh, purchasing of, of Bitcoin. 547 00:37:30,047 --> 00:37:34,907 And we're all doing it in a completely decentralized way. 548 00:37:35,317 --> 00:37:36,877 And we don't even know that we're doing it. 549 00:37:36,937 --> 00:37:38,017 That's the crazy part. 550 00:37:38,257 --> 00:37:40,357 We don't even know that we're doing this. 551 00:37:40,772 --> 00:37:41,582 We're just doing it. 552 00:37:42,417 --> 00:37:47,287 I would say we're, uh, emerging, we're, we're, we're an emergent phenomenon 553 00:37:47,927 --> 00:37:54,907 arising from a very simple set of rules that we agree to, and that are fixed. 554 00:37:55,903 --> 00:38:00,753 so Bitcoin is nothing more than, uh, an agreement on a fixed set of rules. 555 00:38:00,863 --> 00:38:02,183 And we are this. 556 00:38:02,958 --> 00:38:06,948 Emerging phenomenon on top of that, that is like blooming like a great 557 00:38:06,978 --> 00:38:10,758 big flower and just becoming more and more beautiful and more and more 558 00:38:11,338 --> 00:38:15,048 multifaceted as, as time goes by. 559 00:38:15,638 --> 00:38:18,298 And it's a fascinating time to be alive for sure. 560 00:38:18,318 --> 00:38:20,958 And especially if you're in this community, because it truly 561 00:38:20,958 --> 00:38:24,468 feels like you have a front row seat to the future of humanity. 562 00:38:25,768 --> 00:38:26,638 Simply amazing. 563 00:38:27,506 --> 00:38:28,566 Absolutely, absolutely. 564 00:38:28,586 --> 00:38:33,066 And I just want to tell like, uh, I hope, like I'm trying to be as beneficial to 565 00:38:33,066 --> 00:38:41,236 your audience as, as possible, but, um, as a business, when you consider Bitcoin 566 00:38:41,726 --> 00:38:43,756 as part of your strategy, Thank you. 567 00:38:45,431 --> 00:38:48,881 it's it's so beneficial in so many ways. 568 00:38:50,341 --> 00:38:52,821 Um, you can't go wrong by doing it. 569 00:38:52,951 --> 00:38:56,621 So the biggest way it's beneficial and is that it's it 570 00:38:56,681 --> 00:38:58,431 increases your purchasing power. 571 00:38:59,172 --> 00:39:00,282 just look at the proof. 572 00:39:00,812 --> 00:39:07,993 We got in this August 2024, over a four year time period, our 573 00:39:08,013 --> 00:39:11,899 purchasing power had more than 5x, 574 00:39:13,405 --> 00:39:20,830 so, like, it's so beneficial in that way, and nothing else By the way, nothing else 575 00:39:20,970 --> 00:39:25,240 does that for you, you know, like, you try to buy real estate, you try to leave 576 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:30,670 it in bonds, you try to overborrow debt, like, it just, it hurts your business, 577 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,180 you know, you need, as a business, you need to be, like, well capitalized 578 00:39:34,180 --> 00:39:38,965 and, you know, Michael Saylor talks about that a lot and, you know, Uh, you 579 00:39:38,965 --> 00:39:44,755 should really like, you know, whether Michael Saylor, I know he's buying 580 00:39:45,225 --> 00:39:52,135 billions of Bitcoin, but you can buy as a business, you can buy thousands, you 581 00:39:52,135 --> 00:39:53,795 know, it'll still have the same effect. 582 00:39:54,015 --> 00:39:56,735 You'll still get the same benefit that Michael Saylor 583 00:39:56,755 --> 00:40:00,395 gets as a small operator, right? 584 00:40:01,105 --> 00:40:05,595 And personally, you should be considering that as well, like 585 00:40:05,595 --> 00:40:08,819 you're, if you don't own your own business, it has the same effect. 586 00:40:09,814 --> 00:40:15,984 So, truly consider, because you can't make it with just thinking about income. 587 00:40:17,414 --> 00:40:18,114 You really can't. 588 00:40:18,124 --> 00:40:24,054 You're going to run faster and faster on a hamster wheel, chasing a currency 589 00:40:24,054 --> 00:40:28,144 that's getting weaker and weaker, exponentially more weaker, meeker. 590 00:40:29,174 --> 00:40:30,254 You'll never catch up. 591 00:40:30,804 --> 00:40:35,594 So you need to have a balance sheet strategy to match 592 00:40:35,824 --> 00:40:36,804 with that income strategy. 593 00:40:36,954 --> 00:40:40,554 Not saying don't go out, like trying to grow your income and 594 00:40:40,564 --> 00:40:41,994 get other sources of income. 595 00:40:42,184 --> 00:40:46,164 Do all that, but have a strategy for your balance sheet as well, 596 00:40:46,164 --> 00:40:49,114 because one strategy is not enough. 597 00:40:50,212 --> 00:40:51,172 No, absolutely. 598 00:40:51,912 --> 00:40:56,142 Uh, yeah, that's a good, I I would say that, um, a Bitcoin strategy 599 00:40:56,172 --> 00:41:01,172 probably benefits a smaller company even more than it benefits a, a, 600 00:41:01,177 --> 00:41:03,512 a, a big actor like MicroStrategy. 601 00:41:04,185 --> 00:41:09,055 because like a small actor, uh, a big actor can afford to lose and 602 00:41:09,055 --> 00:41:12,015 can afford a lot, uh, a small actor. 603 00:41:12,660 --> 00:41:19,490 You know, even more important, the smaller you are, I'd say, it's because it's your 604 00:41:19,540 --> 00:41:25,236 only option, basically, uh, the everything bubble is real, the currency, the dollar 605 00:41:25,236 --> 00:41:30,161 isn't working, the euro isn't working, it's, it's, Well, it's working for some, 606 00:41:30,311 --> 00:41:32,681 but it's at the expense of everyone else. 607 00:41:33,231 --> 00:41:36,361 And it's sort of like the, uh, the last days of the Soviet Union. 608 00:41:36,361 --> 00:41:41,801 If they only knew we could all, even them, even they could have a better life. 609 00:41:41,891 --> 00:41:45,901 Like if they stopped the money printing, it would benefit even them. 610 00:41:46,431 --> 00:41:47,321 I truly believe so. 611 00:41:47,321 --> 00:41:49,581 Like it would benefit everyone. 612 00:41:49,741 --> 00:41:52,011 Uh, Bitcoin adoption absolutely does that. 613 00:41:52,321 --> 00:41:53,131 I just like to. 614 00:41:53,591 --> 00:41:54,461 Devil's advocate. 615 00:41:54,641 --> 00:41:58,271 One thing you said before, because I don't like people to have an incentive 616 00:41:58,271 --> 00:42:02,071 to kill Bitcoiners, and that is, yeah. 617 00:42:02,101 --> 00:42:05,161 While it's true that you increase the scarcity of all the coins in 618 00:42:05,161 --> 00:42:09,031 circulations, uh, in circulation, if you kill a Bitcoin or with the Bitcoins in 619 00:42:09,031 --> 00:42:13,971 its head, you also remove a potential trading partner from the market. 620 00:42:15,646 --> 00:42:19,731 that might even out, at least in the short run, so don't go around killing 621 00:42:19,731 --> 00:42:21,301 Bitcoiners, trade with them instead. 622 00:42:21,311 --> 00:42:28,851 It's way, way, way more, uh, pleasurable, less costly, and, uh, better. 623 00:42:29,999 --> 00:42:32,979 We also have no idea if anyone actually owns any Bitcoin too. 624 00:42:32,989 --> 00:42:33,799 That's the thing. 625 00:42:34,369 --> 00:42:38,069 As far as any of us know, none of us own any Bitcoin, and that's probably good. 626 00:42:38,364 --> 00:42:42,534 No, no, no, we, we, I, I, I just, my, my boating accident, uh, 627 00:42:42,604 --> 00:42:45,224 company, uh, just, uh, went bankrupt. 628 00:42:45,234 --> 00:42:50,534 So, so, uh, I mean, we, we've lost all the Bitcoin in, in all of those accidents. 629 00:42:50,544 --> 00:42:52,734 So, like, there's no, no Bitcoins left. 630 00:42:53,974 --> 00:42:54,334 Yeah. 631 00:42:54,694 --> 00:42:54,904 Yeah. 632 00:42:54,904 --> 00:42:57,794 I go on a boating trip every time I buy Bitcoin. 633 00:42:57,914 --> 00:43:00,524 Like it's, it's, it's a really nice habit. 634 00:43:00,524 --> 00:43:01,814 Bitcoiners have, you know, 635 00:43:02,284 --> 00:43:09,574 Yeah, professional boating accident, like, uh, yeah, there's something there. 636 00:44:59,085 --> 00:45:02,135 Yeah, this has been a fun conversation. 637 00:45:02,795 --> 00:45:07,075 We're right around the corner from one of the big events in 638 00:45:07,075 --> 00:45:10,825 the Bitcoin calendar, so to say. 639 00:45:11,195 --> 00:45:16,825 Uh, the having this episode might be out after that, but, but anyway, uh, uh, 640 00:45:16,845 --> 00:45:24,145 what are your thoughts on the upcoming few years, uh, this having cycle? 641 00:45:24,365 --> 00:45:25,805 Uh, any thoughts there? 642 00:45:25,835 --> 00:45:28,955 Uh, are you as bullish as the rest of us? 643 00:45:29,382 --> 00:45:30,282 Absolutely. 644 00:45:30,332 --> 00:45:30,912 Absolutely. 645 00:45:30,912 --> 00:45:34,352 I mean, the layout that we have is just incredible. 646 00:45:34,462 --> 00:45:39,342 Um, everything that, you know, happened over the last four years. 647 00:45:40,422 --> 00:45:47,732 with Bitcoin's run right now and the ETFs coming in and then the halving 648 00:45:48,302 --> 00:45:52,771 right around the corner, the layout is just, it's impossible to miss. 649 00:45:52,821 --> 00:45:56,011 Like, you can't with a 650 00:45:58,081 --> 00:46:05,061 sane mind say that dismiss Bitcoin or say, oh, it's probably a fad or it's 651 00:46:05,111 --> 00:46:06,981 tulips or it's this or it's that. 652 00:46:06,991 --> 00:46:12,086 Like, uh, You can't have, like, you'll just sound like an idiot if you say that, 653 00:46:12,486 --> 00:46:16,626 and people do sound like they still, some people do still say that, like Peter 654 00:46:16,626 --> 00:46:21,956 Schiff, and, you know, he's considered to be an idiot by almost everyone now, right? 655 00:46:22,486 --> 00:46:25,406 It's, it's, it's undeniable at this point. 656 00:46:26,086 --> 00:46:30,216 And it's becoming more and more of a reality. 657 00:46:31,206 --> 00:46:38,296 And one thing that I find really bullish that I don't think a lot of other 658 00:46:38,296 --> 00:46:45,368 people are sort of, thinking about or talking about is the idea of Bitcoin 659 00:46:47,513 --> 00:46:50,791 Non haram money, there 660 00:46:50,876 --> 00:46:51,146 please. 661 00:46:51,246 --> 00:46:51,836 Please explain. 662 00:46:51,836 --> 00:46:52,506 This is awesome. 663 00:46:52,516 --> 00:46:53,036 Thank you. 664 00:46:53,106 --> 00:46:54,136 Great, great angle. 665 00:46:54,176 --> 00:46:55,046 Yeah, go ahead. 666 00:46:55,821 --> 00:46:59,961 yeah, nobody's thinking about this, but there's, there's like 1. 667 00:47:00,051 --> 00:47:02,711 8 billion Muslims in the world. 668 00:47:03,221 --> 00:47:03,621 Okay. 669 00:47:04,581 --> 00:47:10,982 And in our religion, the last, like, sermon that the Prophet 670 00:47:11,052 --> 00:47:12,792 Muhammad, peace be upon him, gave us. 671 00:47:14,792 --> 00:47:17,922 Do not do usury. 672 00:47:19,082 --> 00:47:19,372 Okay. 673 00:47:19,742 --> 00:47:20,412 Do not. 674 00:47:20,522 --> 00:47:22,042 Interest is forbidden. 675 00:47:22,192 --> 00:47:23,782 Usury is forbidden. 676 00:47:24,302 --> 00:47:25,112 Do not do it. 677 00:47:25,732 --> 00:47:27,842 And for centuries, we didn't do it. 678 00:47:28,412 --> 00:47:28,722 Okay. 679 00:47:29,192 --> 00:47:36,653 We avoided usury until the global debt economy took over 680 00:47:36,653 --> 00:47:38,963 the world with the last century. 681 00:47:40,513 --> 00:47:46,613 And we had almost, almost as if, you know, Muslims all over the world 682 00:47:46,613 --> 00:47:48,433 just kind of got dragged into this. 683 00:47:49,033 --> 00:47:53,183 Economy with, uh, no other option. 684 00:47:54,072 --> 00:47:56,152 And we were like, okay. 685 00:47:56,152 --> 00:47:59,242 I guess that's just, you know, the way things work. 686 00:48:00,322 --> 00:48:08,142 But what they don't realize is that everything they own and touch in their 687 00:48:08,147 --> 00:48:12,482 fiat world is a USY based system. 688 00:48:13,592 --> 00:48:15,897 Now, for the first time we have. 689 00:48:17,367 --> 00:48:25,027 A non usury based system, which, because of just, just because of 690 00:48:25,077 --> 00:48:33,857 it being there, it becomes haram to leave any money in the fiat, in the, 691 00:48:33,887 --> 00:48:37,437 in the normal fiat system, right? 692 00:48:37,807 --> 00:48:42,397 So another example of this is like, one thing that is haram for 693 00:48:42,397 --> 00:48:44,627 Muslims is, is eating pork, right? 694 00:48:45,447 --> 00:48:52,377 But if you're stuck in an island and that island has nothing but pigs on the island, 695 00:48:53,657 --> 00:48:55,337 You're, you're allowed to eat the pigs. 696 00:48:55,817 --> 00:48:58,607 You're not allowed to starve to death, right? 697 00:48:59,347 --> 00:49:04,632 So, the fiat system was almost, is almost like the pigs on 698 00:49:04,632 --> 00:49:06,572 the island analogy for us. 699 00:49:07,192 --> 00:49:11,812 Now that, that we have, once a cow comes in, those cows start coming into the 700 00:49:11,812 --> 00:49:17,088 island and we start breeding them and we have a sustainable, like cow ecosystem. 701 00:49:18,158 --> 00:49:24,318 Okay, then we can just not eat the pork and eat the cow, right? 702 00:49:25,228 --> 00:49:29,548 And Bitcoin is like the cow for us, right? 703 00:49:29,648 --> 00:49:38,998 So, it's a, it's a halal way for Muslims to save, conduct trade, adopt 704 00:49:39,038 --> 00:49:46,949 as, as a means of, of savings that, you know, Non negotiable at this point. 705 00:49:46,959 --> 00:49:49,709 Again, going back to like, you can't deny it at this point. 706 00:49:49,759 --> 00:49:52,949 You have to start looking into it and start seeing it. 707 00:49:53,779 --> 00:49:57,189 And I think once 1. 708 00:49:57,249 --> 00:50:02,859 8 billion people start looking into this, they're not just gonna like 709 00:50:02,859 --> 00:50:05,999 convert, you know, 5 percent or 10%. 710 00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:10,459 They're gonna move everything over, right? 711 00:50:10,529 --> 00:50:12,859 And it's gonna start with, start with the big money. 712 00:50:13,419 --> 00:50:17,229 It's going to start with all the royal families in the Middle East, it's 713 00:50:17,229 --> 00:50:21,169 going to start with all of these, and then once they get it, they become 714 00:50:21,179 --> 00:50:27,109 Bitcoiners, they become intelligence officers within the Bitcoin network, 715 00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:33,049 they start seeing the idea that, you know, Bitcoin is non haram money. 716 00:50:33,419 --> 00:50:38,179 And they start telling everybody about it and start preaching about 717 00:50:38,179 --> 00:50:42,549 it, then you're just going to convert everybody at this point. 718 00:50:43,889 --> 00:50:49,909 And that's, that's what one of the things that might not happen like this cycle, 719 00:50:49,909 --> 00:50:54,019 but it's, I think it's happening with, like, it's going to happen more and more 720 00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:58,089 at an exponentially increasing rate. 721 00:50:58,814 --> 00:50:59,924 over the next decade. 722 00:51:00,724 --> 00:51:03,724 And I'm very bullish about that. 723 00:51:04,978 --> 00:51:07,578 there's this, uh, is it a sheik or an emir, I can't 724 00:51:07,588 --> 00:51:09,428 remember, but from Oman, right? 725 00:51:09,798 --> 00:51:13,158 That's, uh, traveling around in a private jet and talking to 726 00:51:13,168 --> 00:51:14,718 Bukele and all of these people. 727 00:51:15,283 --> 00:51:17,463 Yeah, they're getting more and more exposed to it. 728 00:51:18,575 --> 00:51:23,855 and, uh, and yeah, uh, I think most, it's more common for Muslims 729 00:51:23,865 --> 00:51:27,275 to take these things seriously than, than for Christians, I guess. 730 00:51:27,795 --> 00:51:28,765 Uh, yeah. 731 00:51:29,225 --> 00:51:34,015 So hopefully we'll, I, yeah, I think this is totally underrated because as soon 732 00:51:34,015 --> 00:51:35,635 as they, you see it, you can't unsee it. 733 00:51:36,905 --> 00:51:37,505 It's, it's sort 734 00:51:37,570 --> 00:51:41,250 Once you see it, it's like you switch, like, like, you don't, you 735 00:51:41,250 --> 00:51:45,620 don't see Muslims like, you know, um, eating pork as an exception anymore. 736 00:51:45,805 --> 00:51:50,545 no, it's, it's, it's like, I was just gonna say, it's, it's just 737 00:51:50,545 --> 00:51:52,165 like the first time you taste bacon. 738 00:51:52,235 --> 00:51:53,515 You never go back afterwards. 739 00:51:54,180 --> 00:51:54,490 yeah, 740 00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:58,300 sort of, 741 00:52:00,801 --> 00:52:01,731 sorry about that. 742 00:52:02,201 --> 00:52:02,441 Yeah. 743 00:52:03,056 --> 00:52:06,306 Yeah, but like, once they see it, they're just gonna switch. 744 00:52:06,326 --> 00:52:11,456 Okay, I'm just gonna switch and not just see it, but see, see it and 745 00:52:11,466 --> 00:52:15,986 see it working for 20 years, right? 746 00:52:16,366 --> 00:52:21,946 It's not just seeing, it's seeing a proven track record as well, and a better 747 00:52:21,946 --> 00:52:26,496 system, you know, that is not haram, because everything they're doing is haram. 748 00:52:26,516 --> 00:52:27,516 Their car is haram. 749 00:52:27,876 --> 00:52:31,446 Their house is haram, their savings account is haram, their checking 750 00:52:31,446 --> 00:52:35,246 account is like a haram as well, because that's like a sort of 751 00:52:35,246 --> 00:52:37,956 like short term bond, right? 752 00:52:38,236 --> 00:52:42,696 It's all debt, it's all usury, everything, right? 753 00:52:43,546 --> 00:52:49,136 So yeah, it's a, it's a big catalyst in my opinion, that's eventually 754 00:52:49,136 --> 00:52:53,416 going to hit and eventually just going to go exponential. 755 00:52:54,441 --> 00:52:54,831 Yeah. 756 00:52:55,301 --> 00:53:00,381 I know Seyfriedin has had a couple of people talk about this on his pod. 757 00:53:00,942 --> 00:53:03,632 I've listened to some of them, but not all of them. 758 00:53:04,112 --> 00:53:10,522 And it's a very interesting, uh, Angle, because I think most people underestimate 759 00:53:10,522 --> 00:53:12,562 how important that is in the Arab world. 760 00:53:12,782 --> 00:53:14,312 It's, it's a really big thing. 761 00:53:14,762 --> 00:53:21,882 And like Arab banks, as far as I know, they, they get around that Haram Haral 762 00:53:21,932 --> 00:53:28,332 thing by, uh, and not doing, they, they, they figure out other ways to actually 763 00:53:28,332 --> 00:53:30,132 do interest, but they don't call it that. 764 00:53:30,442 --> 00:53:35,222 Like you have to deposit this amount in order to get this amount and whatever. 765 00:53:35,417 --> 00:53:36,617 the word interest for fee. 766 00:53:37,372 --> 00:53:37,872 Yeah, yeah, 767 00:53:38,047 --> 00:53:38,837 That's all they do. 768 00:53:40,026 --> 00:53:46,146 so, uh, yeah, hard to not be uber bullish, absolutely, and, um, 769 00:53:46,741 --> 00:53:47,571 Let's go, baby. 770 00:53:48,096 --> 00:53:49,706 yeah, Bitcoin and, Bitcoin and 771 00:53:50,051 --> 00:53:50,801 I'm ready. 772 00:53:51,091 --> 00:53:52,521 You better buy some more Bitcoin. 773 00:53:54,472 --> 00:53:55,282 absolutely. 774 00:53:56,657 --> 00:53:59,207 Alright, uh, what else do we have, Luke? 775 00:53:59,614 --> 00:54:01,154 Yeah, anything else on your mind? 776 00:54:01,154 --> 00:54:06,584 Uh, like, uh, anything you haven't told us about tahinis, uh, anything you're, 777 00:54:06,594 --> 00:54:08,624 you're doing right now in the space? 778 00:54:08,974 --> 00:54:10,304 Uh, the floor is yours. 779 00:54:10,484 --> 00:54:11,614 Anything else you want to talk about? 780 00:54:12,335 --> 00:54:13,135 no, not really. 781 00:54:13,135 --> 00:54:17,765 I mean, just, you know, if you're in town or around the Tahinis, 782 00:54:17,885 --> 00:54:19,395 come give it, give us a try. 783 00:54:19,885 --> 00:54:20,885 We have some good food. 784 00:54:21,380 --> 00:54:22,030 Good shawarmas. 785 00:54:22,820 --> 00:54:25,400 and follow us on, on Twitter. 786 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,540 We're, we're, we're going to try to, Twitter is basically the, the avenue 787 00:54:29,540 --> 00:54:34,264 we used to, talk about Bitcoin and talk about our Bitcoin story and, 788 00:54:34,304 --> 00:54:37,104 and any Bitcoin related topics. 789 00:54:37,864 --> 00:54:39,584 Uh, but follow us everywhere else. 790 00:54:39,604 --> 00:54:44,054 You know, we'd love for you guys to be our guests, to come be our friends, be 791 00:54:44,054 --> 00:54:49,334 our, um, you know, loyal Tahini fans. 792 00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:54,719 And, uh, we'd love to feed you and, uh, yeah, that's, that's about it. 793 00:54:54,719 --> 00:55:00,592 We're about to, we have like Bitcoin ATMs at all, not all, 794 00:55:00,592 --> 00:55:03,432 sorry, at a lot of Tahini locations. 795 00:55:04,112 --> 00:55:08,872 So if you want to buy some Bitcoin with cash, come to the 796 00:55:08,872 --> 00:55:11,962 restaurants, get some cash, and you can buy some Bitcoin at Tahini. 797 00:55:12,882 --> 00:55:18,192 Uh, we're still not accepting Bitcoin for payments for all 798 00:55:18,642 --> 00:55:24,532 guests because, our POS and the technology, we, it's still not there. 799 00:55:24,537 --> 00:55:28,792 We haven't figured out a way to do it Also in like a franchising model. 800 00:55:29,527 --> 00:55:33,300 Type of way where, it can just all integrate easily. 801 00:55:33,300 --> 00:55:34,710 So we're still working on that. 802 00:55:34,860 --> 00:55:38,520 Bitcoiners get really mad at me for, for not accepting Bitcoin at Tahini. 803 00:55:39,283 --> 00:55:41,743 but we're, we're slowly working on that. 804 00:55:41,748 --> 00:55:44,983 We just need, you know, the integrations and the APIs and 805 00:55:44,983 --> 00:55:46,843 technologies to kind of catch up. 806 00:55:48,063 --> 00:55:49,443 Uh, we're early guys. 807 00:55:49,743 --> 00:55:50,823 super early, right? 808 00:55:50,823 --> 00:55:54,843 So, But yeah, we're, we're, we're doing the best we can to, to push 809 00:55:55,133 --> 00:55:57,283 the, the Bitcoin movement forward. 810 00:55:57,333 --> 00:55:57,613 So, 811 00:55:58,275 --> 00:56:02,175 Yeah, this is something I don't get, like, uh, a lot of Bitcoiners get 812 00:56:02,385 --> 00:56:05,805 flack for accepting fiat, and you should be Bitcoin only and stuff. 813 00:56:05,805 --> 00:56:10,545 I, uh, I get messages like that, like, uh, why do you charge euros for your t shirts? 814 00:56:11,105 --> 00:56:17,095 And I'm like, dude, uh, I, the reason I can do this Bitcoin thing for, 815 00:56:17,165 --> 00:56:23,005 uh, full time, I need something to show for it for the authorities. 816 00:56:23,055 --> 00:56:25,245 You know, I need some sort of fiat income. 817 00:56:25,665 --> 00:56:28,585 Otherwise I get a big spotlight aimed at me. 818 00:56:28,585 --> 00:56:36,115 I'm probably getting that anyway, but you know, uh, there are reasons. 819 00:56:36,235 --> 00:56:40,475 And if you want to buy something for Bitcoin from me or from you, I guess, 820 00:56:40,915 --> 00:56:43,555 just send us a DM if I can solve it. 821 00:56:43,665 --> 00:56:44,425 It's easy. 822 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,510 What? 823 00:56:46,510 --> 00:56:48,890 Will we, will we be seeing you in person at some point? 824 00:56:48,890 --> 00:56:53,040 Uh, uh, we're going to all the European conferences mostly. 825 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,590 Uh, did you have any plans to get over this side of the world? 826 00:56:55,861 --> 00:56:58,831 Uh, unfortunately not this year. 827 00:56:58,871 --> 00:57:03,851 Um, my, my And I won't be able to come to like the main 828 00:57:04,201 --> 00:57:05,371 Bitcoin conference this year. 829 00:57:05,371 --> 00:57:10,431 My wife's having her, we're having our fourth kid, um, in 830 00:57:10,441 --> 00:57:12,131 the month of the conference. 831 00:57:12,691 --> 00:57:14,731 So, uh, it's, thank you. 832 00:57:15,021 --> 00:57:18,991 So it's going to be hard for, for me to go to any conferences this year, probably. 833 00:57:19,161 --> 00:57:21,791 I'm just going to the Canadian Bitcoins, Bitcoiners conference. 834 00:57:22,961 --> 00:57:26,741 And that's in May and that's about it this year. 835 00:57:26,741 --> 00:57:30,771 I'm just going to bunker down until the little newborn is, is 836 00:57:30,891 --> 00:57:31,911 kind of grown up a little bit. 837 00:57:32,804 --> 00:57:34,174 well, family first. 838 00:57:34,584 --> 00:57:37,824 Anyway, I hope to see you, uh, in real life too. 839 00:57:37,864 --> 00:57:41,979 Um, As soon as possible, even if it's not this year, I'm sure 840 00:57:41,979 --> 00:57:43,919 it'll be one of these years. 841 00:57:44,229 --> 00:57:46,739 So Ali, thank you very much for coming on. 842 00:57:46,839 --> 00:57:50,729 Uh, it's been a wonderful conversation and we hope to see lots of you 843 00:57:50,739 --> 00:57:52,839 on the internets in the future. 844 00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:54,849 So yeah, take care. 845 00:57:55,014 --> 00:57:56,286 Thanks for having me, guys. 846 00:57:56,597 --> 00:57:57,167 Thanks a lot. 847 00:57:57,537 --> 00:57:58,997 This has been the Freedom Footprint Show. 848 00:57:59,417 --> 00:58:00,257 Thanks for listening.