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I think it's really important to understand that cryptography in and of

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itself provides a new form of sovereignty and that this new form of sovereignty, in

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my opinion, is the only way that we return to having a true law that is actually

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a common wealth where we all have the equality of the law Or, better yet, we

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have the equanimity of the law, but the respect of the individuality through it.

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So for me, what cryptosovereignty is, it's about the artistry of

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utilizing cryptography in this way to create new systems that we

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can utilize for self empowerment.

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Welcome back to the Freedom Footprint show, the Bitcoin

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philosophy show with Knut Svanholm and me, Luke the Pseudo Finn.

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Today we have a very special guest returning to our podcast, Erik Cason,

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Bitcoin philosopher, crypto anarchist, cypherpunk, and good friend of the show.

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Erik is with us in person this time, recorded at Baltic Honey Badger

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2023, to take a walk through history, philosophy, politics, bitcoin, and more.

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In this episode we talk about Erik's views on crypto sovereignty, the

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topic of his book of the same name.

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We also draw parallels between the atomic bomb and the risks that AI poses . We

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discuss progressivism and conservatism in the bitcoin community and investigate the

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conjunction of cryptography and bitcoin.

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It's always great to talk to Erik, this time was no exception.

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And now, without further ado, here is Erik Cason on the Freedom Footprint Show.

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how are we doing this, Luke, and are we?

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Oh, we're already

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rolling, guys.

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So, I mean, uh, let's just, let's just, let's just keep it going.

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I mean, as, as Knut said, like, you're, you're our first proper returning guest.

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And, and I mean, we didn't plan this exactly, but this is awesome.

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Like, uh, awesome to run into you and, uh, meet you in person for the first time.

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And, uh, for me.

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Yeah, it's funny,

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because like, like, it felt more casual with you.

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Like, I realized it was our first time, but at the same

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time, because we know each other.

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I know, it's awesome.

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it's funny cause this hap, there's like a number of people this

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happens with like with John.

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Every time I start talking to John, he's like, God dammit, I wish

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y'all were recording it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And there's so many, like, especially here in Riga, I've had so many.

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Similar experiences with that, that's bumping into someone and

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you instantly connect on like this level that is just beyond, because

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there, you meet people that actually think about things and it's, yeah.

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Well, I mean, like, isn't that the truth of, of, we're not all here

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because of Bitcoin, but because of the form of thought that Bitcoin allows.

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instills within us, like.

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And that's the, yeah, I mean, my shtick nowadays is that you are your bitcoins

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and we all are the network, like we're not only Satoshi, but we are the

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actual bitcoins because they're just information and that makes them us.

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And I think that's, to some extent, why they, why they change us so

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much, because like, you don't change Bitcoin, Bitcoin changes you.

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That's, that's profound.

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Like, that's so true.

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Like, you are the killer app of this thing.

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It's not, this is not a killer app of, it is you, like, and it changes you.

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think it's that, that spark of realizing that there is a truth that we can follow,

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that like, it, it jumpstarts thinking in like the truest sense of what it is.

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And I think because, like, part of the nihilism of contemporarism is that it's

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so deeply authoritarian that it feels like thought itself is almost seditious

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and misleading because how could this thing be of value to you when, you

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know, you can see out in the world if you just obey what's being told, you'll

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live a relatively comfortable life.

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But then having this experience and encounter of, like, Wait, there's this

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other radical truth that's happening that maybe can resolve all of the problems of

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fiat and of the nihilism of politics and the inescapability of the fiat economy.

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It truly awakens us and starts to transform us.

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You know, and I was sharing earlier, like.

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I literally don't know who I would be, or even if I'd be alive without

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Bitcoin, because of that hope and the way that it rescued me from the nihilism.

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Yeah, and I mean, a caged animal at the zoo can live a relatively comfortable

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life as well, but it's still caged.

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Yeah, and I mean, a lot of sort of my presentation in Crypto

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Sovereignty is this understanding...

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Crypto Sovereignty is your new book, we should...

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Oh, yeah.

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Let's

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show it.

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I'm not good at showing stuff.

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So I have a new book.

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Buy

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his book and my books.

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Yeah.

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And Luke's whenever he writes one.

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Yeah.

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We're all going to have books soon.

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Um, but it's available through, through Bitcoin magazine, the publisher.

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Um,

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if you, if you buy it within two weeks, you get a set of steak knives, right?

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Uh, yeah, maybe you, you might be one of the ones you pick.

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All of a sudden,

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if you want, I'll sign and I'll put a steak knife.

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It can be hard to ship to Riga though.

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I thought I was supposed to get my books.

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I'm not sure if they actually arrived, but anyways.

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The reason for the book isn't to show a book, but because I just want my

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thoughts out there and I think it's really important to understand that

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cryptography in and of itself provides a new form of sovereignty and that this

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new form of sovereignty, in my opinion, is the only way that we return to having

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a true law that is actually a common wealth where we all have the equality

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of the law Or, or, uh, better yet, we have the equanimity of the law, but the

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respect of the individuality through it.

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Equanimity?

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Maybe not.

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I'm kind of Explain the word, the word equ equanimity is one of

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those words that I find difficult.

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Knut speaks Swedish.

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It's more of the, uh, the access to the equality of opportunity as opposed

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to actually saying that we are equal.

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So, so it's like providing the level playing field so that

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we can have the fair game.

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Uh, and I think a lot of people will mistake that to like essentially

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trying to homogenize everyone and say, no, we're all equal no matter what.

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Even if you happen to have brain damage and I happen to be Albert Einstein.

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Did you see Giacomo's?

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We had a great fantastic.

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Cause I was pointing out like, uh, there seems to be a real quality of midwittery

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where there's an esteem and ego that asserts itself that both the midwits

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and the geniuses seem to actually lack.

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And, and, and them just questioning themselves to be like, well, I'm kind of a

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dumbass.

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I think we're, uh, it's, this show is going to be quite hard to follow

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if we just keep on talking about.

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Stuff that recently happened as it's kind of hard to follow thoughts

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about a talk that didn't happen.

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No, but this is okay.

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like, uh, this is, this is super relevant because this A D I Q thing is,

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is, is part of a current issue within the Bitcoin community, and the, the

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finding is like sometimes we get to a point where we're talking about like

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a so-called current thing and then.

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It goes away in like a month or something like that sort of happened

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with ordinals, but, but I think I think what we're talking about here is

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like a fundamental difference between actually, I'll give I'll give some

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credit to Peter McCormack on this one.

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He had a tweet that observed that the ordinals crowd and the drive chain

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crowd seem to be liking the same things.

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And it sort of exposed a bit of a liberal Bitcoin community and a conservative

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Bitcoin community, as in conserving...

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Liberal might have also been the wrong word.

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It's just more like, uh, progressive maybe actually is a better word here,

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but like, what do you, what do you think about that division that there's

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sort of an opening up of, of, uh, the people who want to conserve the protocol

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and keep it, safe and running and then the people who want to do stuff to

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I think that this is this really healthy dynamic of essentially like the

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toxic Bitcoin crowd are these internal agitators that are always going to

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remind us of the truth of the mission, the need to have a true alignment of

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incentives in a thoughtful way, and the understanding of that introducing

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anything else is going to change those incentives in some way or form.

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Uh, and also the people on the outside that are pushing ongoing

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developments that truly are needed.

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And a great example of this is like, much of what's being built

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today was only possible because of getting SegWit integrated.

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And that was a long and difficult and arduous debate.

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And particularly once people stopped pushing as hard and there could be a real

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open dialogue about how this was going to help Bitcoin, did the possibilities that

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it introduced actually start to come in.

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To me, like, this is the truly political process of Bitcoin that's very sloppy,

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messy, difficult, and important because this is the only way that,

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like, we're actually going to figure out what we need as the developments.

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like, I personally don't think that we're at a place of ossification yet because I

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still think that there are some updates that need to be done in addition to, you

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know, like You think it will ever hard

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fork again, successfully?

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I mean, it hard forks all the time, but

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I I think Yes, because of the, what is it, like the, the 2093 bug?

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That thing that needs to be fixed.

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So there, there's an issue in Bitcoin that needs to be fixed, otherwise we're fucked

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basically.

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And I think that this is important because it gives us the responsibility

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of knowing and understanding that this will happen at some point in time.

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And the question is, is how much do we want to get in front of that?

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Or do we want to get right up to the boundary for it to be a real crisis point?

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And, uh, ultimately at the end of the day, I really appreciate that there is this

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responsibility coming from both sides.

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Um, and like, I've gotten some shit for, uh, like, I, I think inscriptions are

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like a pretty important new technology that, that Bitcoin can access in a

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meaningful way and utilize, like, the fact that Tankman is now on the time

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chain, I think is a really important.

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And I think future, yeah, this, the, during the, the

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Chinese democracy protests and,

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oh, yeah, yeah, the Tiananmen Square guy,

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yeah, so, so, so Tank Man and Tiananmen Square, that's an illegal image in

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China and you can now see it directly on Bitcoin's blockchain because

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of what inscriptions have offered.

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Now with that being said, like, Ordinals itself is just a randomized catalog, you

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know, anybody could do it or present it.

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It seems to mostly be for people to present kitsch NFT bullshit that's

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going to be trend towards zero.

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And at the end of the day, like, if people want to waste their

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money on that, that's fine.

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If, like, if you think that a stat is going to be worth more than

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a stat, you're welcome to that.

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I think it's dumb, but.

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Feel free.

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And this is one of the places that I think people can get too extremist, is that, uh,

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in the purity ness of being like, nothing on the blockchain except for financial

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transactions, I don't necessarily accept that on its face because there

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could be more valuable applications that I simply don't know about.

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Well, well,

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to begin with...

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What constitutes a financial transaction is entirely subjective,

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like homogeneity is subjective.

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Like there's no such thing as fungibility, really.

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Yeah.

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Everything is different to different people.

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Like, so there are no clear boundaries here.

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And that's, that's why it's so hard to box in and like explain in

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simple ways, because it requires this understanding of the subjective

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nature of everything in economics.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And like that.

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It's a real double edged sword because on one hand that provides, like the

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total field of possibilities that we can actually access through economics.

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Yeah.

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However, also like that means we have to do the real work to

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understand all of that stuff.

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And that's one of the reasons that we have such endemic fiat brain

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is that people don't know how to actually think for themselves.

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No.

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Because they've been told what to think for so long.

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Yeah.

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That the foreignness of thinking for themselves feels wrong in and of itself.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You know, and for me, that's been one of the greatest struggles in me

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trying to orange pill people is people being like, why does it have value?

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And I get really frustrated because I'm like, well, think about it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Um, I'm going to give an outline, which I think.

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Uh, has tangent saw this, like the, the way, first the way I see like

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Bitcoin conservatism and bitcoin progressivism, whatever you may call it.

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Like, I got a question two days ago about like, what do you think

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would've happened if it would've been 42 million instead of 21 million and

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like the a hundred sets or uh, uh, a hundred coins the first four years

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instead of 50 and so on and so forth.

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And the thing is, we know that Bitcoin works now.

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And we know that history played out the way it did.

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What we do not know is if you change any of the parameters, if

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that would have ever happened.

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So, so we're here to study this thing and observe it behave in

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certain ways, but we, like, we cannot know what would have happened

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if any of the things were changed.

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And it's very close to, like, You know, the parameters of the universe, the

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universal constants, like pi, or stuff like that, the speed of light, and what

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not, the weak force and the strong force, we don't know, we're here to observe it.

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The thing is, this is the thing that religious people often tell me,

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that it seems designed because it couldn't have worked if the universe

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wasn't as fine tuned as it is.

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But the thing is, if it wasn't as fine tuned as it is, you wouldn't have been

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here to observe it in the first place.

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So, like, that's a loop argument to me.

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And it also, in history, when you say that, like, We figured out

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free market economics in Western democracies, or, or that Judeo Christian

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tradition led up to this point, and we wouldn't have this without that.

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I mean, it's impossible to, to know, and like wars created great inventions

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like the GPS and the radar and whatnot, and it's impossible to know

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if those things happened because of, or despite of, The course of history.

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So I think we ought to be a bit more humble when seeing the correlations

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between things because like, it's very likely that the scientific process

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would have been smoother and faster if we hadn't had, you know, religious

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institutions trampling down on scientists.

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During the Enlightenment, for instance.

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But also, the other point of view that we had this robust Judaeo

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Christian tradition, maybe that's what led up to these people

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thinking about these things at all.

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But my point is that we don't know, like.

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There's no way to tell how history would have played out if any of the,

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it's the butterfly effect thing.

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Like if you changed something here, you change everything else.

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It's like, it's like the back to the future loop.

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If you could go back in time and change a little, little

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thing, you change everything.

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So, so, uh, and that plays into this Bitcoin conservatism thing, because, uh, I

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mean, Many of the people don't understand the BIPs and understand the issues, myself

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included, a lot of the time, uh, but there's a case to be made for conservatism

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in Bitcoin just because, it's delicate, like changing any of the parameters

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might ruin the entire fucking thing because for some reason we don't know.

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Uh, so, so that's, and I think there are parallels here to the history with

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organized religions, the history with, like, how we view the universe, the

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history with science and everything.

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Like, there's, there's a lot of parallels.

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Well, it's interesting because you actually touch on, like, a much

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deeper philosophical point of that.

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This idea that we know something is actually like the path towards hell.

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And like, and like very real genocidal, horrific amounts of killing have happened

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under this rubric of that we thought we actually knew what the right answer was.

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And we insisted upon that answer so intensely that, you know, here in Europe

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it had, you know, World War II was about.

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that becoming so loud and escalated that there was literally a class of

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people that were like the only way to deal with this jewish problem is the

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final solution you know and like like and like to be clear when you look at

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the Nuremberg trials like these dudes literally thought they were doing the

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right thing yeah and like It's insane, and this is what Hannah Ardent pointed out.

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She was like, look, Eichmann sincerely believed that he thought he was doing

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the right thing by obeying his duty to the state, and he made the whole

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argument that if people weren't going to do their duty to the state, that it

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would just be chaos and anarchy, and she was like, look at this midwit And

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how when you ask him to think about an ethical prerogative on his own

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accords, he has no self referencability except for pointing back to the state.

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She was like, this is literally what evil is because it's incapable of thinking.

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It reminds me of one of the last chapters of The White Pill by Michael Malice about

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the Soviet Union and the East Bloc and how people were wrongly accused of different

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crimes and they willingly admitted to having wrongly committed these crimes and

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willingly put themselves in the gulags, in the actual gulags, because they thought,

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you know, defending the system that put them there was more important than

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defending their own civil rights, you know, and that that's what a bad enough

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system can do to to people's brains.

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You know, you're like, you, you refuse to let go of this appeal to authority.

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And all hell happens.

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Like that's, that's the most dangerous thing, like the atomic bomb.

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And yeah, my talk tomorrow is about Oppenheimer and Satoshi Nakamoto

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and the similarities, like how they harness the power of physics to

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change human incentive structures.

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And I think the, the crucial thing that Oppenheimer left out of his He

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saw this thing, he rationalized it, at least according to the movie, he

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rationalized it to himself by thinking that if we construct this extremely

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destructive thing, then we end all wars, because game theory says so,

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because no one will bomb one another anymore, especially not, especially

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not attack the US, because doing so is in all probability a suicidal move.

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So that's how you stop wars.

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But he missed.

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His own incentives, like, he did all the things, all the funding for the Los Alamos

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and the test bomb and everything, and for him to do his science was this big bag

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of dangling shitcoin, American shitcoins in front of him, and he grabbed it and

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thereby put this destructive force in the hands of the Absolutely the wrong people.

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I mean, this is the thing.

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Science is beautiful.

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Science is fantastic, but it always ends up in the hands

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of the absolute wrong people.

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That is governments, because they're a force for evil, like, and this thing is so

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left out of the equation all at all times.

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I think like the, uh, the lessons from world war two and everything,

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The thing that's missing from the conversation is just that, I mean, if

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you don't want to be a Nazi, don't be a nationalist, and don't be a socialist.

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Like, this is like,

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we're missing the point,

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like, stop, stop appealing to authority.

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That's, that is the problem.

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Well,

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and...

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It's interesting because Oppenheimer had the particular danger of who

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and how he was in the world that it gave him a particular egoism to

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have him believe that that was okay.

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Yeah, it was put on a

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pedestal.

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Well, and it, it, it makes me think of the parable of the frog and the

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scorpion where the scorpion, you know, it's like, Hey, like, give

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me a ride across the river frog.

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And the frog was like, well, you're a scorpion.

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You're going to sting me.

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Like I shouldn't do that.

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And he's like, no, why would I sting you?

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If I sting you, we both die.

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You know, that.

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Why would I do that?

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And frog's like, okay, frog gives him a ride halfway through scorpion stings.

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And the frog goes, what the fuck, man, we're both going to die now.

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And he's like, yeah, I'm a scorpion.

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Like, what did you think I was going to do?

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You know?

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And it's really important to understand that like.

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This is just the nature of what the individuals who wind up in

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politics wants because it's a power game and a power dynamic.

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So they're going to say whatever they need to say in order to be successful.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So it's like, I empathize towards Oppenheimer because it's important to

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understand that there was a whole class of powerful men who came to Oppenheimer

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and like, if you don't do this, we're all going to die because the Nazis

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get the bomb first and it's going to be a catastrophic and horrific thing.

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And what's really interesting is that...

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Which, in

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the end, it became anyway.

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Yeah!

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And like it, it almost became this sad unavoidability that, you know,

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because of the way that the conflict was escalating and how technology

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had offered its service in this way.

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Did you see the movie, by the way?

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No, I did not.

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Okay.

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Uh, I...

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I probably will at some point, but I just wasn't necessarily inspired.

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No,

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uh, I mean, it's what you'd expect from Nolan.

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I mean, it's, so it's well acted.

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The cinematography is great.

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I mean, a lot of the things about the movie is great, but it's somewhat,

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uh, unnecessarily convoluted because I think he sometimes does that for its own

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sake, you know, makes, makes the movies more complicated than they need to be.

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Okay, but yeah, overall, it's a very good movie, I would say.

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I also just kind of take issue with some general historic revisionisms that

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happens through Hollywood, and like it, I think it's a general inevitability,

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but I just find it, it dramatizes all of this in a way that I think it's...

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It's really important to understand that like when Oppenheimer was

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doing this, like he had no idea if he was going to be successful.

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He didn't understand the consequences of it, which I think for Oppenheimer

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particularly is important of that.

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Uh, I think it's really interesting because in the actual literature, he

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says that the quote about, you know, I am becoming Shiva, the destroyer of

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worlds, he said that that specifically came to him, not that he thought it, but

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that like, that's what came into him.

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So that's a quote

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from, uh, who, who wrote that?

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The Bhattagravita.

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Yeah, the Bhattagravita, yeah, yeah.

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You

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know, and, and, and I think that that's of particular importance just

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because when he witnessed the horrific destruction it could entail, he realized

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the, the fundamental truth of that.

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Like he was engaging.

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And some very serious metaphysical stuff that could destroy humanity on

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a whole.

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There's a quote from the movie, there's a near zero chance that we might

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destroy the entire planet because we might set off a chain reaction.

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Well, like, to me, this is one of the places we're at today that I think

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is so important with where panoptic technology is at and with where the

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developments of AI is at, is that right?

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Yeah, yeah.

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These are very, very powerful and very, very dangerous tools that,

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uh, we have put them in the hands of morons that have politicized it.

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And furthermore, like we're already seeing what the structures

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look like when implemented.

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And like, I always like to point out that the Uyghur genocide going on

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in China, like this is the perfect genocide because they realize that it's

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different from what happened in the Holocaust because they're not trying to

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actually just destroy an entire people.

478
00:24:44,164 --> 00:24:48,174
And the reason why is that they found, utilizing both propaganda and

479
00:24:48,174 --> 00:24:51,854
technology, why should you destroy these perfectly useful bodies?

480
00:24:52,264 --> 00:24:54,534
What you need to do is hollow them out first.

481
00:24:54,974 --> 00:24:58,954
And so once you can thoroughly destroy people's culture, when you can totally

482
00:24:58,954 --> 00:25:03,374
surveil them at all points in time without them knowing when or where, you can

483
00:25:03,374 --> 00:25:05,024
actually just liquidate their culture.

484
00:25:05,604 --> 00:25:08,474
Propagandize them to make them into good little Chinese citizens,

485
00:25:08,764 --> 00:25:11,264
and you release them back out into the world to be your slaves.

486
00:25:11,684 --> 00:25:15,804
And now, now you have the perfect genocide, because you've liquidated the

487
00:25:15,804 --> 00:25:20,634
actual identity of a people's, and you've replaced it with a national identity.

488
00:25:20,984 --> 00:25:24,204
Yeah, yeah, you turned, you turned people into dogs, basically.

489
00:25:24,214 --> 00:25:25,134
Yeah, yeah,

490
00:25:25,284 --> 00:25:25,334
yeah.

491
00:25:25,334 --> 00:25:28,974
You know, and as we were joking earlier, Ben's version of dog is God.

492
00:25:29,304 --> 00:25:30,234
And this is, you know...

493
00:25:30,539 --> 00:25:35,339
This is how you get a subservient population that acts like dogs to a god

494
00:25:35,339 --> 00:25:38,419
of the state is by doing this process

495
00:25:38,419 --> 00:25:38,769
to them.

496
00:25:39,459 --> 00:25:44,609
And this appeal to some type of authority seems to be inherited in people.

497
00:25:44,609 --> 00:25:48,159
And I know, like the, I buy the argument for.

498
00:25:48,879 --> 00:25:53,559
Uh, religious belief that it's better to believe in a, you know, guy in the sky

499
00:25:53,809 --> 00:25:59,019
than a guy on earth, because a guy on earth is way more dangerous than, but, but

500
00:25:59,019 --> 00:26:03,169
I think the, the, the core issue is like this appeal to authority to exist at all.

501
00:26:03,429 --> 00:26:04,179
And it seems like.

502
00:26:04,744 --> 00:26:08,104
A majority of people, it's inherent in them.

503
00:26:08,104 --> 00:26:12,814
They need this, you know, they need someone to tell them what to do.

504
00:26:12,824 --> 00:26:17,374
It's like, uh, they're lost without a, uh, not without the compass,

505
00:26:17,374 --> 00:26:19,124
but without the compass salesman.

506
00:26:19,814 --> 00:26:20,464
You know what I mean?

507
00:26:20,554 --> 00:26:20,804
Sure.

508
00:26:20,854 --> 00:26:24,314
And, and compass salesmen are, are dangerous.

509
00:26:24,934 --> 00:26:26,224
One, I, I think that the...

510
00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:29,879
This, again, is a product of our general world, because I think, as we

511
00:26:29,929 --> 00:26:34,039
see with Bitcoiners, when you're part of a culture where it encourages self

512
00:26:34,049 --> 00:26:38,779
thought and the ability to rely on yourself and to think for yourself,

513
00:26:39,429 --> 00:26:43,209
that's like a muscle that people can work and cultivate for themselves, and when

514
00:26:43,209 --> 00:26:46,829
you're in a bigger community that does that, you've now elevated this behavior

515
00:26:46,829 --> 00:26:49,039
to be an honorable and virtuous thing.

516
00:26:49,059 --> 00:26:49,319
Yeah.

517
00:26:49,829 --> 00:26:52,999
And so this is one of the things that gives me great hope is that, uh,

518
00:26:53,389 --> 00:26:57,679
like as many NPCs are out there and as dangerous and destructive as it

519
00:26:57,689 --> 00:27:01,929
is without being able to have people think for themselves, this is all a

520
00:27:01,929 --> 00:27:09,174
product of pliable people that have been manipulated on under, under terms of

521
00:27:09,174 --> 00:27:11,524
both duress and promises of good stuff.

522
00:27:11,614 --> 00:27:14,234
And this is one of the things I always find the most intriguing about talking

523
00:27:14,234 --> 00:27:19,897
with NPCs about their perspectives is that they, they always have a very optimistic

524
00:27:19,907 --> 00:27:23,017
and hopeful viewpoint that trusts.

525
00:27:23,677 --> 00:27:26,457
The goodness in the other, which is like that.

526
00:27:26,467 --> 00:27:30,757
That's a really great thing that we need to have, but we absolutely need

527
00:27:30,767 --> 00:27:34,479
to make sure that that isn't polluted with just a general appeal to authority.

528
00:27:34,564 --> 00:27:37,064
That's, I have a point on, on, on this one.

529
00:27:37,184 --> 00:27:39,794
This is, this is like a thing in, in.

530
00:27:40,484 --> 00:27:43,864
The vision of where Bitcoin is going to take us that I still

531
00:27:43,924 --> 00:27:46,184
somewhat can't get my head around.

532
00:27:46,484 --> 00:27:51,984
And it is that if we, if we do fix the monetary system and get that all

533
00:27:51,994 --> 00:27:55,904
working fine, and its incentives are good and everything and reduce the size

534
00:27:55,904 --> 00:27:59,094
of government and all this, what do we still do about people who are just going

535
00:27:59,104 --> 00:28:01,704
to still ignore that and be aggressive?

536
00:28:01,704 --> 00:28:06,844
And even though the incentives might be reduced towards aggression, there

537
00:28:06,844 --> 00:28:08,019
are still people who ignore them.

538
00:28:08,329 --> 00:28:12,799
Just naturally wants to take, and I mean, I'll be specific as

539
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:14,189
well, like, it's a male thing.

540
00:28:14,849 --> 00:28:19,519
The way I see it is that what you remove is the smart criminals.

541
00:28:19,779 --> 00:28:23,449
You don't remove the stupid criminals, like, that are gonna just, you

542
00:28:23,449 --> 00:28:26,219
know, go to a football game and kick the shit out of one another.

543
00:28:26,459 --> 00:28:28,579
Because they supported the wrong team or whatever.

544
00:28:28,939 --> 00:28:32,529
So that will probably still be around, just this, ooh, brute aggressivity.

545
00:28:35,034 --> 00:28:41,134
But still, a clever person will realize that if you don't know how much another

546
00:28:41,134 --> 00:28:44,584
person owns, and you can't really take it by force, because it's in

547
00:28:44,584 --> 00:28:49,724
their heads, so you can't kill them, then no one gets anything, what game

548
00:28:49,724 --> 00:28:51,624
theory tells us about that is like, uh.

549
00:28:52,539 --> 00:28:57,279
At best, you get away with 50 percent of that person's Bitcoin, so it's probably

550
00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:58,989
better to, to interact peacefully.

551
00:28:58,989 --> 00:29:02,249
So, so you, like, remove the, the real dangerous people, the

552
00:29:02,249 --> 00:29:06,719
psychopaths, the, the people in charge that conduct world wars and so on.

553
00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:09,939
So that's what you take away, but petty crime, like...

554
00:29:10,534 --> 00:29:16,674
Uh, there will, of course, still be teenagers, and there will be grunts,

555
00:29:16,844 --> 00:29:19,874
people in British pubs saying oi, you

556
00:29:19,874 --> 00:29:20,244
know.

557
00:29:20,474 --> 00:29:21,374
What was the example

558
00:29:21,384 --> 00:29:22,154
you were going to use?

559
00:29:22,924 --> 00:29:27,454
What I was thinking of is that, uh, our friend Joni was telling me a

560
00:29:27,514 --> 00:29:30,214
little bit about this, that there have been some gang attacks in

561
00:29:30,214 --> 00:29:32,074
Sweden, where people have like...

562
00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:35,359
Chopped off fingers or something if they don't give them

563
00:29:35,369 --> 00:29:36,599
whatever they're looking for.

564
00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:38,799
And like, it's just dark stuff, right?

565
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:43,449
And, and, and I think, what was I latching onto from, from what you said?

566
00:29:43,459 --> 00:29:48,309
It, it's, it's just, it's something, it's something like, where are we headed?

567
00:29:49,579 --> 00:29:56,149
I still don't see the solution where, uh, It's not exactly about solving the, the

568
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:58,789
issue of human nature towards violence.

569
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:03,419
It's more like, what structures are we going to still need to have that

570
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:06,379
look a lot like today's governments?

571
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:09,859
Like, that's, that's the, the, the thing that still gets me.

572
00:30:09,889 --> 00:30:15,049
And, and I'm not even thinking in the, in the vein of, of that we're going to need

573
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:16,799
some kind of actual daddy government.

574
00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:17,819
That's not what I'm thinking.

575
00:30:17,819 --> 00:30:18,339
We're gonna need

576
00:30:18,349 --> 00:30:18,809
law.

577
00:30:18,899 --> 00:30:21,059
Well, yeah, and I think that the...

578
00:30:22,189 --> 00:30:25,169
This is where stuff gets really interesting, because where we're at

579
00:30:25,169 --> 00:30:29,929
right now is so extremely rudimentary in terms of the form of law that

580
00:30:29,939 --> 00:30:33,399
Bitcoin provides, because it's essentially all transactional right now.

581
00:30:33,959 --> 00:30:36,889
But one of the things that I imagine is using something like,

582
00:30:36,959 --> 00:30:40,589
like, mini scripts or mven or whatever multisig scheme you want.

583
00:30:41,099 --> 00:30:44,989
That there's essentially an ability to put your money into that multisig scheme.

584
00:30:44,999 --> 00:30:49,739
Guy shows up to cut off my fingers and I go, look, you can look at the address,

585
00:30:49,769 --> 00:30:51,159
you can see how much money is there.

586
00:30:51,399 --> 00:30:53,869
This isn't a multisig that I don't control.

587
00:30:54,099 --> 00:30:57,659
And because you asked me to put my password first, I put in actually,

588
00:30:57,739 --> 00:31:02,459
uh, like a panic password, that that has now messaged all of the

589
00:31:02,459 --> 00:31:04,639
other owners of these private keys.

590
00:31:04,729 --> 00:31:04,979
Yeah.

591
00:31:05,019 --> 00:31:09,959
And they know if they show up within the next block with a shotgun to kill you,

592
00:31:10,379 --> 00:31:12,789
Uh, they're gonna get the amount of money.

593
00:31:13,624 --> 00:31:15,764
You know, they're going to get 10 percent of the wallet or

594
00:31:15,774 --> 00:31:17,794
however much we've agreed upon.

595
00:31:18,094 --> 00:31:20,554
And also that's fluid based upon how quick they respond,

596
00:31:20,564 --> 00:31:21,744
who they are, where they're at.

597
00:31:22,374 --> 00:31:27,134
And essentially, like, I think what we're going to do vis a vis cryptography and

598
00:31:27,134 --> 00:31:31,964
essentially with the time chain as this backbone to sort of keep truth within.

599
00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:36,309
The sort of law that we're going to implement, we're going to create a

600
00:31:36,309 --> 00:31:40,769
new form of law that utilizes the cryptographic protocol in such a way that

601
00:31:40,769 --> 00:31:44,609
we're going to start playing with it and doing these really interesting things.

602
00:31:44,629 --> 00:31:48,629
And it's funny, this reminds me of a quote from my favorite philosopher, who

603
00:31:48,629 --> 00:31:54,129
I based most of my work off of, Giorgio Ambighen, and he says that And this is

604
00:31:54,129 --> 00:31:57,829
kind of paraphrasing, but essentially it's like, when humanity starts to play

605
00:31:57,829 --> 00:32:03,229
with law as like a disused object, similar to how children play with a disused

606
00:32:03,579 --> 00:32:10,109
object, we can return law, not in order to restore it to its canonical use, but

607
00:32:10,109 --> 00:32:12,209
in order to free us from it for good.

608
00:32:12,959 --> 00:32:17,789
And so to me, like, the great problem with law today is it represents a raw and

609
00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:22,659
thoughtless form of authoritarianism that has nothing to do with the law at all.

610
00:32:23,179 --> 00:32:28,249
The law is actually about the consensus of what we agree upon to be the law, and

611
00:32:28,249 --> 00:32:34,539
it's very, very important to understand what the law is in its traditional form,

612
00:32:34,539 --> 00:32:38,839
as it is the traditional idea of what...

613
00:32:39,409 --> 00:32:40,509
Laws supposed to be.

614
00:32:40,529 --> 00:32:43,689
So, first of all, common wealth, that's literally what Bitcoin is.

615
00:32:43,689 --> 00:32:46,499
It is a wealth that we hold in common because it provides a

616
00:32:46,529 --> 00:32:48,599
unitary form of law for both of us.

617
00:32:49,339 --> 00:32:51,729
But even more interesting is the Latin translation of

618
00:32:51,729 --> 00:32:53,489
common wealth is res publica.

619
00:32:54,009 --> 00:32:55,999
This means the public thing.

620
00:32:56,929 --> 00:32:59,579
And what's interesting is that the law is the most public

621
00:32:59,579 --> 00:33:01,179
of all things to all people.

622
00:33:01,764 --> 00:33:05,064
And we live in a world today where we don't have a law anymore.

623
00:33:05,244 --> 00:33:09,054
There is a two tiered society where there are some people that can get away

624
00:33:09,054 --> 00:33:11,474
with the most heinous of all crimes.

625
00:33:12,014 --> 00:33:18,234
And most particularly, the 20th century was a story of multiple genocides where

626
00:33:18,234 --> 00:33:23,784
hundreds of millions of people were killed and not a single individual was murdered.

627
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:29,559
That's extremely important to understand that a hu hundreds of millions of people

628
00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:34,729
were destroyed and deprived of their life, but not a single human was murdered.

629
00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:38,359
Because murder is a legal crime.

630
00:33:38,879 --> 00:33:43,589
And not a single Jew was killed in the holocaust was illegal.

631
00:33:43,719 --> 00:33:46,709
Because they were all stripped of citizen citizenship.

632
00:33:47,549 --> 00:33:51,759
And that made sure that they had no access to the law in and of itself.

633
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:56,519
This is where we are at today, and I also believe that the crimes that

634
00:33:56,529 --> 00:34:00,189
happened in World War II were so extreme and significant that it, it

635
00:34:00,299 --> 00:34:06,359
obliterated the law totally, because it showed that once you had psychopaths

636
00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:11,409
in charge of a nation state, they could utilize the, the policies of the

637
00:34:11,409 --> 00:34:14,679
state to destroy other populations of people, and we've witnessed so, uh...

638
00:34:21,889 --> 00:34:23,919
What about the case for optimism, though?

639
00:34:23,989 --> 00:34:25,159
So, like, we, uh...

640
00:34:25,429 --> 00:34:25,899
I'm always

641
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:27,189
so dark that people really

642
00:34:27,809 --> 00:34:28,409
need to press that.

643
00:34:28,509 --> 00:34:29,099
Yeah, yeah.

644
00:34:29,099 --> 00:34:33,169
So, so, because the way, a way to look at this is like, we have

645
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:35,399
Bitcoin, we have social media.

646
00:34:35,469 --> 00:34:39,419
Sure, you can be shadow banned and you can have a harder time reaching the

647
00:34:39,419 --> 00:34:40,969
person you want to reach and whatever.

648
00:34:41,009 --> 00:34:41,669
But still...

649
00:34:42,569 --> 00:34:45,829
Even the flawed social media platforms we have today, and then

650
00:34:47,059 --> 00:34:52,009
Nostr and other alternatives are blossoming slowly but surely as well.

651
00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:55,749
But we have those tools and like post.

652
00:34:56,104 --> 00:35:01,304
COVID or post the lockdowns, uh, zoom calls and, and, uh, stuff have

653
00:35:01,304 --> 00:35:06,064
become insane, insanely, but much better than they were pre COVID.

654
00:35:06,134 --> 00:35:10,224
Like no one was really doing zoom calls on a daily basis

655
00:35:10,224 --> 00:35:12,074
before, before the lockdowns.

656
00:35:12,584 --> 00:35:15,264
So that sort of forced us to develop this technology.

657
00:35:15,294 --> 00:35:16,944
And now you can reach any person.

658
00:35:18,469 --> 00:35:21,929
Regardless of where they are on the globe, I mean, we can record a podcast

659
00:35:22,009 --> 00:35:27,859
with Rob, for instance, when he's in Hawaii, with no lag, and the program we

660
00:35:27,859 --> 00:35:33,419
use, the AIs are so good now, and there's a race to become the dominant software

661
00:35:33,439 --> 00:35:38,339
for stuff like this, so the program can edit this stuff for us, cut out the

662
00:35:38,339 --> 00:35:43,804
noise, you know, and, you know, Uh, if we have two cameras, it, it, it, uh,

663
00:35:43,864 --> 00:35:48,224
switches to the other, the person that's about to talk before he starts talking.

664
00:35:48,224 --> 00:35:50,024
All of this stuff is happening in real time.

665
00:35:50,024 --> 00:35:55,894
It's the, the, the speed of the technology improvements is just insane.

666
00:35:55,914 --> 00:35:57,394
How, how good that is.

667
00:35:57,824 --> 00:35:59,714
And so all those tools are there.

668
00:35:59,734 --> 00:36:01,874
And yeah, and you add Bitcoin to that.

669
00:36:01,904 --> 00:36:04,804
It's just all the tools are there.

670
00:36:04,844 --> 00:36:10,419
I, I talked to the, um, So my friend Christian, the founder of BTCX, the

671
00:36:10,419 --> 00:36:14,149
oldest Swedish exchange about, and he gave me some numbers of how many

672
00:36:14,149 --> 00:36:15,979
customers they have had over the years.

673
00:36:16,359 --> 00:36:19,259
And he said around 300, 000.

674
00:36:19,309 --> 00:36:21,259
And there's another big Swedish exchange.

675
00:36:21,659 --> 00:36:26,049
And so if you take into account that there might be some customers that use

676
00:36:26,209 --> 00:36:29,139
both services, but they're about as big.

677
00:36:29,229 --> 00:36:31,679
So add another hundred thousand, that's 400, 000.

678
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:33,759
And let's say there's a hundred thousand people that bought

679
00:36:33,759 --> 00:36:35,419
off of other exchanges or...

680
00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:36,459
Freedom's

681
00:36:36,459 --> 00:36:37,059
population.

682
00:36:37,434 --> 00:36:38,004
10 million.

683
00:36:38,214 --> 00:36:38,454
Okay.

684
00:36:38,604 --> 00:36:44,364
So it's 5% of the population that has the power to pay people in Bitcoin

685
00:36:44,544 --> 00:36:49,314
because they all own Bitcoin and a hundred percent of the population has the

686
00:36:49,314 --> 00:36:52,134
ability to, to uh, uh, receive Bitcoin.

687
00:36:52,834 --> 00:36:56,184
So the, the, the economy's already there.

688
00:36:56,694 --> 00:36:56,784
? Mm-hmm.

689
00:36:57,084 --> 00:36:58,224
. We just have to tap into it.

690
00:36:58,224 --> 00:37:01,164
And people just have to start accepting Bitcoin for the goods and services.

691
00:37:01,164 --> 00:37:03,104
And you are out.

692
00:37:03,224 --> 00:37:05,084
You don't have to worry about the government anymore.

693
00:37:05,384 --> 00:37:07,784
like, it's, it's really that simple.

694
00:37:07,784 --> 00:37:09,014
And if you add all the.

695
00:37:09,594 --> 00:37:12,654
You know, as you were alluding to the multisigs and the coinjoins

696
00:37:12,654 --> 00:37:16,624
and whatnot, and like all these technologies, they are already there.

697
00:37:16,634 --> 00:37:21,584
And the, the educational platforms and the, the content that is out

698
00:37:21,584 --> 00:37:24,414
there, you, you can learn how to be a sovereign individual.

699
00:37:24,474 --> 00:37:31,354
I mean, I'm working on a, um, a course, um, based on my praxeology book on

700
00:37:31,394 --> 00:37:33,964
a platform called, uh, Emeralize.

701
00:37:34,779 --> 00:37:40,259
Uh, which is like Udemy and, um, uh, powered by, uh, Lightning.

702
00:37:40,839 --> 00:37:44,529
So it's a cross between Udemy and maybe Substack.

703
00:37:44,659 --> 00:37:44,999
Yeah.

704
00:37:45,479 --> 00:37:51,409
Uh, and this course is going to be a part of a master's program in self sovereignty.

705
00:37:51,479 --> 00:37:53,739
Like, and this is not the only thing.

706
00:37:53,739 --> 00:37:58,349
I'm just a tiny part of, and Emerlize is also just a tiny part of this.

707
00:37:59,479 --> 00:38:01,689
Ecosystem that is building around this thing.

708
00:38:01,989 --> 00:38:06,349
So I think there's a great case to be made for, you know, we've got this.

709
00:38:06,549 --> 00:38:09,549
Everyone in this community knows that CBDCs are shit.

710
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:12,709
And we know that like, there are ways around all these things.

711
00:38:12,729 --> 00:38:16,259
And once, I mean, people are going to look at us like.

712
00:38:16,629 --> 00:38:18,659
Uh, . Look at those guys.

713
00:38:18,659 --> 00:38:21,629
They seem to be happy and like not worried about stuff.

714
00:38:21,629 --> 00:38:28,319
And, and that's gonna, it smittens people, like, uh, so, so I think,

715
00:38:28,589 --> 00:38:32,219
and I think there's, that's smittens, is that even a word?

716
00:38:32,489 --> 00:38:34,149
Uh, To be ssm, yeah.

717
00:38:34,339 --> 00:38:34,629
Yeah.

718
00:38:34,629 --> 00:38:34,909
To Besm.

719
00:38:35,309 --> 00:38:39,659
That's the word now, , that is important because, uh, that's how

720
00:38:39,659 --> 00:38:41,309
we grow the community and like the.

721
00:38:41,929 --> 00:38:47,919
Spreading this optimism about the future, like, because being angry at stuff,

722
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:53,339
and, and, you know, just focusing on, oh, this was so fucking bad, and this

723
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:57,299
is so fucking bad, and we, we need to, to, uh, fight this, and we need

724
00:38:57,299 --> 00:39:01,269
to, well, just don't worry about it, it's okay, don't retweet shit corners,

725
00:39:01,569 --> 00:39:05,759
don't, don't promote governments, don't even talk about it, just show people

726
00:39:06,304 --> 00:39:12,064
There's a way to live life without worries, because you've got a tiny stack

727
00:39:12,064 --> 00:39:13,494
and you know it's gonna last forever,

728
00:39:13,504 --> 00:39:13,974
like.

729
00:39:14,034 --> 00:39:17,554
No, I mean, there's a great point, particularly for like the angry rant guy.

730
00:39:17,564 --> 00:39:20,394
It's probably pretty important for me to emphasize that like.

731
00:39:21,514 --> 00:39:25,014
Uh, I, I feel a greater amount of hope than I've ever felt

732
00:39:25,054 --> 00:39:26,904
and every day it grows more.

733
00:39:26,914 --> 00:39:27,594
Good to hear it.

734
00:39:27,594 --> 00:39:32,914
And you said at the beginning, uh, you, you'd use the word bloom and that hooked

735
00:39:32,914 --> 00:39:36,814
me because I think right now we're going through a renaissance that is a

736
00:39:36,814 --> 00:39:41,564
bloom of ideas that are exploding and, and there are so many things going on

737
00:39:41,644 --> 00:39:45,424
and it's growing and like you said, we have all the technology, the ability,

738
00:39:45,464 --> 00:39:48,004
so much is just an educational aspect.

739
00:39:49,044 --> 00:39:52,994
And so maybe I'm mistaken, but.

740
00:39:55,134 --> 00:39:58,194
Maybe that gap is going to be much shorter than we think.

741
00:39:58,214 --> 00:40:03,684
And I think there's a pretty strong argument to say that it will be shorter

742
00:40:03,684 --> 00:40:09,404
just because we have such a pliable herd population that once where they

743
00:40:09,404 --> 00:40:12,874
actually see that like fiat has been defeated and that Bitcoin is here.

744
00:40:13,244 --> 00:40:13,494
Yeah.

745
00:40:13,494 --> 00:40:16,424
And I love pointing out that like the word evangelical in Latin

746
00:40:16,424 --> 00:40:18,594
means the bringer of good news.

747
00:40:18,654 --> 00:40:19,984
And that's what we're doing as Bitcoiners.

748
00:40:20,004 --> 00:40:22,214
We're bringing the good news of what Bitcoin is.

749
00:40:22,924 --> 00:40:25,524
And it could be very possible that all of these evil forces

750
00:40:25,544 --> 00:40:26,914
see this and they go, Oh shit.

751
00:40:26,914 --> 00:40:29,374
Like, Oh, like our, our, the game's up.

752
00:40:29,394 --> 00:40:31,214
I guess we got to play nice now.

753
00:40:31,934 --> 00:40:36,084
Um, but in addition to that, This is all initiated through a totally

754
00:40:36,084 --> 00:40:39,844
new form of thought that is the self responsibility to think for yourself.

755
00:40:40,344 --> 00:40:44,624
And like that, that's causing for this extraordinary bloom that, you

756
00:40:44,624 --> 00:40:48,424
know, like I think Fiat Jaffe even said part of his inspiration for how

757
00:40:48,424 --> 00:40:53,004
he built Nostar was seeing how the Bitcoin network operated and getting

758
00:40:53,004 --> 00:40:57,104
that, having that core cryptographic protocol at its core was what allowed it.

759
00:40:57,789 --> 00:41:01,119
You know, and so for me, what cryptosovereignty is, it's about the

760
00:41:01,149 --> 00:41:07,329
artistry of utilizing cryptography in this way to create new systems that

761
00:41:07,329 --> 00:41:09,259
we can utilize for self empowerment.

762
00:41:09,749 --> 00:41:12,819
And Nostar is an excellent example of that, you know, Tor

763
00:41:12,819 --> 00:41:14,089
is a great example of that.

764
00:41:14,409 --> 00:41:18,499
But what I want to see is pretty much the entire internet get rebuilt on

765
00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:20,269
top of cryptographic protocols like

766
00:41:20,429 --> 00:41:20,679
this.

767
00:41:21,134 --> 00:41:22,524
It should have been there all along.

768
00:41:22,534 --> 00:41:25,514
That's, that's something we have to, we sort of have to rebuild it.

769
00:43:33,254 --> 00:43:37,144
Okay, so this actually gets into like a, like a question that we've been

770
00:43:37,154 --> 00:43:39,314
going at with, with a few people.

771
00:43:39,314 --> 00:43:40,064
The Noster stuff?

772
00:43:40,184 --> 00:43:41,074
The Noster stuff.

773
00:43:41,142 --> 00:43:44,232
I think to, to your point, I think there's, there is a, like a kind of a

774
00:43:44,232 --> 00:43:49,882
general, uh, idea here about kind of these protocols that are built on cryptography,

775
00:43:49,882 --> 00:43:51,822
but they're not built on Bitcoin, right?

776
00:43:52,242 --> 00:43:58,002
So, so it's Bitcoin adjacent Nostra in that it heavily endorses the use of.

777
00:43:58,322 --> 00:44:03,702
Bitcoin zaps and using your Bitcoin private key to generate your, your

778
00:44:04,622 --> 00:44:08,982
Noster profile and all this, but, but it's not built on Bitcoin.

779
00:44:08,992 --> 00:44:10,582
It's, it is a separate protocol.

780
00:44:11,622 --> 00:44:18,922
Like, what is the role of the cryptography part in this?

781
00:44:18,932 --> 00:44:22,392
Like, how important is that part where Bitcoin fixes the money, but

782
00:44:22,392 --> 00:44:27,152
the cryptography kind of can do other things that are not Bitcoin?

783
00:44:27,577 --> 00:44:31,047
Uh, and I, I would guess you don't have like a shitcoin y perspective

784
00:44:31,047 --> 00:44:32,607
on this in the, in the sense of that.

785
00:44:32,727 --> 00:44:33,527
No, and

786
00:44:33,527 --> 00:44:37,007
like, one of the things I, I think is really important about understanding

787
00:44:37,007 --> 00:44:41,547
shitcoin ery is, is I reject shitcoin ery because it does not elevate

788
00:44:41,547 --> 00:44:44,797
itself to the position that Satoshi Nakamoto presented Bitcoin on.

789
00:44:45,267 --> 00:44:46,517
Look, like, if...

790
00:44:46,767 --> 00:44:51,377
If Ben Armstrong wants to issue Bencoin, and he wants it to get to a market

791
00:44:51,377 --> 00:44:54,967
cap of 10 billion dollars, and he doesn't spend a single cent of that,

792
00:44:55,267 --> 00:44:59,337
and the state doesn't destroy him, and he distributes it, and he does this

793
00:44:59,367 --> 00:45:03,792
bootstrap from the very beginning, like, Maybe there actually is merit to

794
00:45:03,792 --> 00:45:07,272
that and maybe it should be successful, but he absolutely didn't do that.

795
00:45:07,312 --> 00:45:11,682
Every single shit coin project has been a cash grab for the founders.

796
00:45:12,122 --> 00:45:15,832
No one has tried to actually emulate what Satoshi Nakamoto did.

797
00:45:16,112 --> 00:45:20,182
And even if they did, like the best example I can think of is, uh,

798
00:45:20,222 --> 00:45:23,702
GrinCoin tried to do a fair launch, had an anonymous founder, all that.

799
00:45:23,952 --> 00:45:27,932
And even with that, all the VCs fucking piled in and they all spun up AWS

800
00:45:27,932 --> 00:45:29,912
servers and it was a total shit show.

801
00:45:30,482 --> 00:45:30,972
So I think.

802
00:45:31,182 --> 00:45:34,832
What Satoshi Nakamoto accomplished at this point in time is fundamentally

803
00:45:34,862 --> 00:45:38,992
unachievable by shitcoins because of how he presented it and what he did

804
00:45:39,002 --> 00:45:42,472
to it, but furthermore, to get back to your question about cryptography

805
00:45:42,472 --> 00:45:46,832
itself, to me, this is the absolute key of all things, because He was.

806
00:45:48,462 --> 00:45:52,642
What allows for us to understand the supply of Bitcoin is the

807
00:45:52,672 --> 00:45:54,642
cryptographic proofs that are provided.

808
00:45:55,062 --> 00:45:58,932
If we didn't have those cryptographic proofs, there would be no way

809
00:45:58,932 --> 00:46:00,562
to actually tell otherwise.

810
00:46:00,602 --> 00:46:04,072
And so to me, it's about a technique of presenting information

811
00:46:04,432 --> 00:46:07,612
and then proofing it in such a way to say, look at the truth.

812
00:46:07,952 --> 00:46:11,712
That I've actually implemented here, and so Nostra does the same thing

813
00:46:11,712 --> 00:46:13,822
with having a chain of information.

814
00:46:14,202 --> 00:46:18,762
And so I'm extremely excited about seeing this generalized technique

815
00:46:18,782 --> 00:46:20,232
get applied to other places.

816
00:46:20,262 --> 00:46:23,302
Because what, what happens when we get a protocol for.

817
00:46:24,057 --> 00:46:28,977
Say, self encrypted VoIP, where you get to own your own servers, you know that

818
00:46:28,987 --> 00:46:34,152
the connection is going to be end to end encrypted, and like, again, this

819
00:46:34,152 --> 00:46:37,112
is one of the extraordinary things that happened in the concourse of

820
00:46:37,112 --> 00:46:43,382
human history, is up until the Diffel Hyman paper in, I think 1976, A New

821
00:46:43,382 --> 00:46:47,622
Direction in Cryptography, there was a single direction in cryptography that

822
00:46:47,622 --> 00:46:49,882
none of this shit was even possible.

823
00:46:49,902 --> 00:46:51,462
It didn't even seem possible.

824
00:46:51,502 --> 00:46:55,202
It was, You And this is one of those funny things is that like, I think if you were

825
00:46:55,202 --> 00:46:59,252
to go back, you know, a century ago and to talk with philosophers and to say,

826
00:46:59,252 --> 00:47:02,682
hey, there's this like magical space that you can ride into and talk to anybody on

827
00:47:02,682 --> 00:47:07,012
the planet, and they would just be like, like, what the fuck are you talking about?

828
00:47:07,042 --> 00:47:08,342
Like, this couldn't happen.

829
00:47:08,342 --> 00:47:09,342
It doesn't make any sense.

830
00:47:09,372 --> 00:47:10,962
There's no even point of thinking about it.

831
00:47:11,112 --> 00:47:11,652
Okay.

832
00:47:11,822 --> 00:47:14,242
Uh, the problem I have with all of this.

833
00:47:15,272 --> 00:47:20,272
Cryptography talk is this, uh, yeah, which was the title of Gigi's talk.

834
00:47:20,332 --> 00:47:21,692
Cryptography is not enough.

835
00:47:21,872 --> 00:47:22,482
Yeah, exactly.

836
00:47:22,854 --> 00:47:27,094
the thing I, like, it's all just numbers.

837
00:47:27,554 --> 00:47:29,904
It's all just information at its core.

838
00:47:29,914 --> 00:47:33,094
Bitcoin is just a bunch of on and off switches in a, in

839
00:47:33,094 --> 00:47:37,789
a specific 1 0 0 0 1 1 1 1.

840
00:47:37,999 --> 00:47:38,539
That's all it is.

841
00:47:39,129 --> 00:47:41,509
Communication through numbers.

842
00:47:42,766 --> 00:47:47,486
So Satoshi found a way to, to do numbers and communication in such a way that we

843
00:47:47,486 --> 00:47:53,716
figured out how to bootstrap a system that was, uh, that created a number

844
00:47:53,726 --> 00:47:56,726
that was resistant to replicability.

845
00:47:57,566 --> 00:48:04,136
So any attempt at replicating that discovery to me is redundant at best

846
00:48:04,916 --> 00:48:07,346
and a cheap cash grab for the most.

847
00:48:07,826 --> 00:48:10,466
Part because people are stupid and they don't realize that

848
00:48:10,466 --> 00:48:12,746
you can't copy un copyableness.

849
00:48:14,056 --> 00:48:17,496
So, so that's why I don't really get how the, all the other stuff

850
00:48:17,516 --> 00:48:23,106
comes in because this system already exists and this number, the Satoshi

851
00:48:23,746 --> 00:48:27,676
represents that it represents something that can't be replicated.

852
00:48:27,916 --> 00:48:32,186
So any attempt that, I mean, end to end encryption is fine, but it's

853
00:48:32,206 --> 00:48:37,598
not more valuable than, you know, the value lies in you being able

854
00:48:37,598 --> 00:48:42,538
to send a message and making sure that no third party can see it.

855
00:48:43,218 --> 00:48:46,278
But that's sort of end of story.

856
00:48:47,007 --> 00:48:50,990
um, economic incentives for a social media platform, for

857
00:48:50,990 --> 00:48:53,460
instance, like the users may all.

858
00:48:53,860 --> 00:48:59,140
Own their data, quote unquote, but, but they're still subject to whoever

859
00:48:59,180 --> 00:49:04,439
runs the relay that knows the relay or whatever, or like, I somewhat suspect

860
00:49:04,479 --> 00:49:09,499
that the same thing that happened to, uh, you know, the email protocol at SMT.

861
00:49:11,094 --> 00:49:17,224
And, and whatnot, all the other internet protocols that had no, you know, Bitcoin

862
00:49:17,234 --> 00:49:21,514
in the base layer that the same type of centralization may play out on all these

863
00:49:21,514 --> 00:49:24,514
other attempts at making it decentralized.

864
00:49:24,814 --> 00:49:30,104
Because the word decentralized, it gets thrown around like it's a trivial thing,

865
00:49:30,714 --> 00:49:32,744
but you know, decentralization is.

866
00:49:33,669 --> 00:49:39,129
First of all, subjective, like, I view decentralization differently

867
00:49:39,129 --> 00:49:42,959
than any other person and like everything else, it's subjective.

868
00:49:43,659 --> 00:49:48,809
And to me, Bitcoin is sufficiently decentralized because I saw

869
00:49:48,809 --> 00:49:51,039
the Segwit2x hard fork fail.

870
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:57,029
That's the point in time for me that made me believe in this thing robustly.

871
00:49:57,029 --> 00:49:59,309
Like, holy shit, the users really are in charge.

872
00:49:59,309 --> 00:50:00,399
It is unchangeable.

873
00:50:02,234 --> 00:50:06,434
None of the other things that are, you know, throwing this cryptography

874
00:50:06,434 --> 00:50:10,334
buzzwords around and the word decentralization around have ever shown

875
00:50:10,334 --> 00:50:14,134
me something even remotely akin to that.

876
00:50:14,134 --> 00:50:15,674
Or like, like the mm-hmm.

877
00:50:15,814 --> 00:50:17,944
, the rejection of the Seg two X artwork.

878
00:50:17,944 --> 00:50:21,794
We, we haven't seen that anywhere else, so I don't really see how,

879
00:50:22,874 --> 00:50:27,484
how North Noster, for instance, can, uh, achieve something like that.

880
00:50:27,554 --> 00:50:30,874
It, it might, but at this point we, we.

881
00:50:31,074 --> 00:50:34,054
We have no clue if it will do that or if it will just turn

882
00:50:34,054 --> 00:50:35,754
into this centralized nightmare.

883
00:50:36,104 --> 00:50:39,394
Like, well, and I, I think one for Nostra that's really important to

884
00:50:39,394 --> 00:50:43,634
keep that question sort of open ended because I think up until we feel certain

885
00:50:43,634 --> 00:50:46,054
about it actually being decentralized.

886
00:50:46,714 --> 00:50:48,904
That, uh, that is a true

887
00:50:48,904 --> 00:50:49,354
open ended question.

888
00:50:49,364 --> 00:50:53,494
And right now it's sort of a taboo subject in the Bitcoin community because like,

889
00:50:53,514 --> 00:50:58,054
Oh, we got this new decentralized thing and Jack Dorsey's on board and we need

890
00:50:58,054 --> 00:51:02,514
to promote this thing and, you know, leave all the other networks without even

891
00:51:02,524 --> 00:51:06,204
having, without knowing where it's going.

892
00:51:07,214 --> 00:51:07,654
Or if it

893
00:51:07,654 --> 00:51:08,254
even works.

894
00:51:08,464 --> 00:51:12,244
It's interesting they sort of tap onto this idea of taboo subjects.

895
00:51:12,854 --> 00:51:15,224
Because like another great one that I think is taboo is, uh...

896
00:51:15,729 --> 00:51:16,559
Like El Salvador.

897
00:51:16,569 --> 00:51:19,319
Like I'm very suspicious of El Salvador and what they're doing.

898
00:51:19,329 --> 00:51:21,019
And of course it's a government.

899
00:51:21,379 --> 00:51:21,729
Yeah.

900
00:51:21,729 --> 00:51:25,219
Well, and like the, the idea of what Chivo Wallet is, is like, I think that this is

901
00:51:25,219 --> 00:51:29,369
a really great way to backdoor Bitcoiners and be able to create surveillance on

902
00:51:29,369 --> 00:51:33,819
a generalized chain, which, you know, essentially you use Chivo Wallet to

903
00:51:33,819 --> 00:51:38,159
then pollute all of the outside users that then gives you, uh, you know, a

904
00:51:38,159 --> 00:51:40,389
tainted perspective that you can utilize.

905
00:51:41,356 --> 00:51:47,588
Okay, another thought about I think what most people misinterpret about

906
00:51:47,638 --> 00:51:52,408
AI, and this comes a lot from deep diving into praxeology, that what,

907
00:51:52,528 --> 00:51:56,098
the thing AI lacks is agency.

908
00:51:57,073 --> 00:52:01,103
So, we don't even know if we have free will or not, like, I love the Hitchens

909
00:52:01,133 --> 00:52:05,983
quote, like, of course I have free will, I have no choice but to have it,

910
00:52:06,273 --> 00:52:12,893
but it certainly seems like if you take praxeology for a true science, which I

911
00:52:12,903 --> 00:52:17,313
happen to do, like, I think it's a very good framework for understanding the

912
00:52:17,313 --> 00:52:19,723
world, then you see that deliberate...

913
00:52:20,293 --> 00:52:23,103
In order for an action to be deliberate, there needs to be a,

914
00:52:23,163 --> 00:52:30,263
uh, it needs to be preceded by a felt uneasiness on the thing acting.

915
00:52:30,773 --> 00:52:34,763
Like so, in order for you to act, you need to feel somewhat uneasy.

916
00:52:35,093 --> 00:52:38,833
You imagine a future where you do a thing and you get into a better state.

917
00:52:38,893 --> 00:52:40,753
Like that's It's the pursuit of my desire.

918
00:52:40,753 --> 00:52:40,823
Yeah.

919
00:52:41,593 --> 00:52:43,153
There was a pursuit of your means and ends.

920
00:52:43,203 --> 00:52:46,303
Like that's the basis of all action, deliberate action.

921
00:52:46,873 --> 00:52:48,543
And an AI.

922
00:52:48,983 --> 00:52:50,333
It's absolutely not that.

923
00:52:50,363 --> 00:52:51,533
It can never be the master.

924
00:52:51,533 --> 00:52:52,593
It can only be the slave.

925
00:52:52,603 --> 00:52:54,633
It can never make decisions on its own.

926
00:52:55,093 --> 00:52:57,603
And people fear this general AI.

927
00:52:57,633 --> 00:53:02,533
What they really mean when they say general purpose AI is an AI with agency.

928
00:53:02,593 --> 00:53:04,683
Basically Skynet, Terminators, or whatever.

929
00:53:04,703 --> 00:53:05,073
Yeah.

930
00:53:05,413 --> 00:53:06,433
Or the Matrix.

931
00:53:06,683 --> 00:53:07,358
Like that it...

932
00:53:07,498 --> 00:53:12,048
All of a sudden it's, uh, consciousness pops up in it, in this string of

933
00:53:12,228 --> 00:53:16,248
ones and zeros, and all of a sudden it can make decisions by itself.

934
00:53:16,708 --> 00:53:18,218
Like right now it's not doing that.

935
00:53:18,238 --> 00:53:23,148
It's making micro decisions about whatever you're prompted to do, but

936
00:53:23,148 --> 00:53:28,003
it's never acting out of Uh, because of a felt uneasiness, because it doesn't

937
00:53:28,003 --> 00:53:30,093
feel anything as far as we know anyway.

938
00:53:30,223 --> 00:53:30,573
Sure.

939
00:53:30,593 --> 00:53:35,393
And so, so I think that's what the fears about it are exaggerated

940
00:53:35,403 --> 00:53:36,953
because of exactly that.

941
00:53:37,053 --> 00:53:38,423
It doesn't have agency.

942
00:53:38,453 --> 00:53:40,113
It doesn't know what it wants.

943
00:53:40,423 --> 00:53:41,953
Like, it doesn't want anything.

944
00:53:42,033 --> 00:53:42,453
Well, to,

945
00:53:42,623 --> 00:53:47,338
to be fair, first of all, The, the people that are really worried

946
00:53:47,338 --> 00:53:50,508
about it, um, they're retarded.

947
00:53:52,248 --> 00:53:53,208
They're midwits.

948
00:53:53,258 --> 00:53:56,968
And, well, like, this is the same people who utilize the term hacker,

949
00:53:57,008 --> 00:54:01,158
who like, hacking is a magical way that you just get access to information,

950
00:54:01,168 --> 00:54:04,048
and they don't realize, no, it's like flawed security protocols.

951
00:54:04,098 --> 00:54:04,418
Yeah.

952
00:54:04,773 --> 00:54:08,223
And so to me, AI is like a meta tenche, you know, like it's a

953
00:54:08,223 --> 00:54:10,393
technique that we can apply stuff to.

954
00:54:10,423 --> 00:54:13,193
And it's really valuable because, you know, like if you need to build

955
00:54:13,193 --> 00:54:15,763
out a database from your coding, instead of doing that, you just go,

956
00:54:15,763 --> 00:54:17,993
yo, ChadGBT, like build my database.

957
00:54:18,003 --> 00:54:18,253
Yeah.

958
00:54:18,273 --> 00:54:18,953
Super valuable.

959
00:54:18,973 --> 00:54:19,393
Great.

960
00:54:20,353 --> 00:54:24,223
The big problem I think is that, again, with people are retarded,

961
00:54:24,273 --> 00:54:26,963
that there are people out there specifically in government who are

962
00:54:26,963 --> 00:54:31,793
like, Hey, like, let's plug this AI thing, like, into our surveillance

963
00:54:31,803 --> 00:54:36,133
system and, like, have it locate all the people that we think are bad.

964
00:54:36,543 --> 00:54:38,543
You know, I'm like, what's a, what's a bad person?

965
00:54:38,573 --> 00:54:40,503
Uh, like, somebody carrying a gun.

966
00:54:40,543 --> 00:54:42,653
Like, that's a bad per you know, I'm like Yeah, yeah, yeah.

967
00:54:42,703 --> 00:54:47,573
And so, like, I'm afraid that the general idiocy of people who don't understand

968
00:54:47,573 --> 00:54:51,473
technology, which, again, is the vast majority of government, are going to

969
00:54:51,483 --> 00:54:54,423
essentially implement these things with no idea about what they're doing.

970
00:54:54,793 --> 00:54:58,253
And, to be clear, We've already seen that happen in the United States, like,

971
00:54:59,333 --> 00:55:03,383
the, I, I forget, and I'm very sorry for this because this person needs to

972
00:55:03,393 --> 00:55:06,863
be honored and respected, the individual that recently leaked the data from the

973
00:55:06,863 --> 00:55:12,693
United States showing that 90 percent of the people that were fucking murdering

974
00:55:12,723 --> 00:55:15,853
with goddamn drone bombs, that AI.

975
00:55:19,383 --> 00:55:24,973
Like, literally people are being destroyed by a fucking machine saying, Yeah, I'm

976
00:55:24,973 --> 00:55:30,223
pretty sure that those brown people need to die because I'm 8 miles away, You

977
00:55:30,223 --> 00:55:33,243
know, 3, 000 or 30, 000 feet in the air.

978
00:55:34,013 --> 00:55:37,643
Like, that's a very special kind of insanity that's deeply worrying.

979
00:55:37,653 --> 00:55:42,243
And so, it's not AI at all, it's the fucking retards behind

980
00:55:42,243 --> 00:55:42,613
the AI.

981
00:55:42,753 --> 00:55:46,323
This, this reminds me so much of a particular scene from the

982
00:55:46,333 --> 00:55:50,513
Oppenheimer movie and it's where they pick the targets for the bombs.

983
00:55:50,833 --> 00:55:55,483
Like, so they're in this room and they're like, uh, how do we demonstrate how

984
00:55:55,533 --> 00:55:58,223
fantastic our wonderful new bomb is?

985
00:55:58,643 --> 00:56:01,223
And they're like, oh, we should choose a military target.

986
00:56:01,593 --> 00:56:03,723
Nah, but it needs to make bigger headlines.

987
00:56:03,743 --> 00:56:05,653
Let's use, oh, Hiroshima.

988
00:56:05,703 --> 00:56:06,503
That sounds nice.

989
00:56:06,503 --> 00:56:08,583
Like, and okay, Nagasaki as well.

990
00:56:08,603 --> 00:56:13,493
So like, and then boom, boom, 210, 000 people die from a

991
00:56:13,553 --> 00:56:15,603
split second decision like that.

992
00:56:15,683 --> 00:56:21,053
And I don't know how historically accurate that actually is, but still the.

993
00:56:21,168 --> 00:56:25,488
This is the problem of human incentives that needs to be solved.

994
00:56:25,488 --> 00:56:30,878
There needs to be a way to prevent some guy in a room from making a split second

995
00:56:30,878 --> 00:56:33,198
decision that kills 210, 000 people.

996
00:56:33,208 --> 00:56:33,448
Like,

997
00:56:33,468 --> 00:56:33,688
that's...

998
00:56:34,128 --> 00:56:38,008
I would like to point out before you go any further, the truth is actually much

999
00:56:38,018 --> 00:56:42,718
more horrific, because what happened was after the first bomb was dropped...

1000
00:56:42,788 --> 00:56:43,038
Yeah.

1001
00:56:43,703 --> 00:56:48,433
They were given a 48 hour window to give an absolute and unconditional surrender,

1002
00:56:48,643 --> 00:56:53,263
which the Japanese were more than happy to provide, and they tried to provide it.

1003
00:56:53,623 --> 00:56:56,483
We prevented them from providing it, and we dropped the second time.

1004
00:56:56,493 --> 00:56:57,003
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1005
00:56:57,203 --> 00:56:57,413
Oh.

1006
00:56:57,473 --> 00:57:00,423
You know, and to me, like, this represents the same horror and

1007
00:57:00,423 --> 00:57:01,963
catastrophe that We, as in?

1008
00:57:02,528 --> 00:57:05,908
Oh, yes, we, I should not identify, the government.

1009
00:57:05,978 --> 00:57:06,648
Those assholes.

1010
00:57:07,238 --> 00:57:10,888
And yeah, and this represents the same fucking insanity that was the armistice

1011
00:57:10,888 --> 00:57:14,308
at the end of World War I, where, and this is an extraordinary fact to

1012
00:57:14,308 --> 00:57:22,388
me, is that the final day of World War I, more men died on that day II.

1013
00:57:23,538 --> 00:57:25,008
And it was because these, these...

1014
00:57:25,553 --> 00:57:31,263
Absolute, despicable, disgusting parasites that call themselves humans in

1015
00:57:31,263 --> 00:57:35,413
government said, well, now that we have the armistice established at 11pm on 11.

1016
00:57:35,563 --> 00:57:40,493
11, let's do a full press assault and see how many of the other people

1017
00:57:40,493 --> 00:57:43,243
we can kill before the game is done.

1018
00:57:47,203 --> 00:57:49,933
This is a sort of madness that happens when we relegate the

1019
00:57:49,933 --> 00:57:53,293
responsibility to other individuals to make choices about life and death.

1020
00:57:53,323 --> 00:57:53,863
But to me,

1021
00:57:53,863 --> 00:57:59,533
this is the most important aspect of, of Bitcoin, uh, . Because what it

1022
00:57:59,743 --> 00:58:07,003
does, it, it re, the core invention is that it removes the, the hands

1023
00:58:07,008 --> 00:58:11,473
of these parasitic institutions to, to leech off the value of.

1024
00:58:11,788 --> 00:58:14,288
Other people transacting voluntarily with one another.

1025
00:58:14,298 --> 00:58:19,288
There's no way to, you know, shadowy tax people through inflation

1026
00:58:19,308 --> 00:58:22,388
when, when there's a, when people are transacting in Bitcoin.

1027
00:58:22,428 --> 00:58:25,678
There's no way for a third party to get any of that transaction.

1028
00:58:25,708 --> 00:58:30,448
Sure, you pay some fee to the miners, but that's, there's a free market for that.

1029
00:58:30,498 --> 00:58:37,698
Like there's no way to, to, for these assholes to, to extract value from others.

1030
00:58:37,923 --> 00:58:38,353
anymore.

1031
00:58:38,363 --> 00:58:42,343
And that's, that's the key thing because that's what kills the

1032
00:58:42,343 --> 00:58:45,413
ability for these people to sit in rooms and just pick targets at

1033
00:58:45,473 --> 00:58:45,933
random.

1034
00:58:46,173 --> 00:58:46,933
Absolutely.

1035
00:58:46,933 --> 00:58:48,983
And a lot of people don't understand that, like.

1036
00:58:49,788 --> 00:58:55,068
That function by itself collapses all world governments today.

1037
00:58:55,418 --> 00:59:00,248
The simple inability to be able to steal from people, that collapses

1038
00:59:00,318 --> 00:59:01,938
every single government today.

1039
00:59:02,548 --> 00:59:06,208
And to be clear, like, that doesn't just mean now we live in willy nilly

1040
00:59:06,208 --> 00:59:08,038
chaos and everybody murders everybody.

1041
00:59:08,518 --> 00:59:09,148
No.

1042
00:59:09,393 --> 00:59:14,653
Like, this is a process that we must go through to clear out the space to allow

1043
00:59:14,663 --> 00:59:19,023
for the potentiality of the next form of the political to present itself, which

1044
00:59:19,023 --> 00:59:23,743
I'm convinced the internet is going to play a major and pivotal role in

1045
00:59:23,743 --> 00:59:28,433
the next form of And I'm very pedantic about this idea of the political versus

1046
00:59:28,433 --> 00:59:34,313
politics, because to me, the political is about the radical potentiality that

1047
00:59:34,313 --> 00:59:39,378
people will always have to choose their forms of life versus their identities.

1048
00:59:39,768 --> 00:59:44,878
The contemporary parliamentary democratic forms that we're told

1049
00:59:44,878 --> 00:59:47,778
creates law and is politics.

1050
00:59:48,148 --> 00:59:51,968
And so to me, that's a very important distinction because today, there

1051
00:59:51,968 --> 00:59:56,068
is no people anywhere that have access to any form of the political.

1052
00:59:56,433 --> 00:59:59,653
Because we've all been forced to be subservient to politics.

1053
00:59:59,693 --> 00:59:59,943
Yeah.

1054
01:00:00,123 --> 01:00:04,303
And Bitcoin, to me, opens us up to the possibility of the political.

1055
01:00:05,233 --> 01:00:05,573
That's a

1056
01:00:05,623 --> 01:00:06,953
great way of framing it.

1057
01:00:07,053 --> 01:00:07,473
And, uh,

1058
01:00:07,503 --> 01:00:11,893
like, That's a concept from Carl Schmitt, the, uh, famous Nazi

1059
01:00:11,913 --> 01:00:13,883
jurist who I do a lot of work.

1060
01:00:14,233 --> 01:00:15,658
I, it, It's fucked up.

1061
01:00:15,668 --> 01:00:19,758
I do a lot of work with Nazi philosophers, not because I'm a Nazi, but because

1062
01:00:19,778 --> 01:00:23,878
I have a very, very strong critique of these philosophers, who are very

1063
01:00:23,878 --> 01:00:28,068
important, but because the way that liberal wokeism won't deal with them,

1064
01:00:28,398 --> 01:00:33,943
they avoid what they present entirely, and it's extremely destructive to philosophy.

1065
01:00:34,153 --> 01:00:38,673
Yeah, I think you just hit on something important, like, uh, the

1066
01:00:38,673 --> 01:00:42,203
idea of, I don't have this thought fully formed, it just came to me from

1067
01:00:42,203 --> 01:00:47,293
what you just said, but the idea that you can just, just memory hole ideas

1068
01:00:47,293 --> 01:00:51,463
because they're somehow associated with the wrong thing, like It's 1984.

1069
01:00:51,623 --> 01:00:55,343
Well, sure, like, say, like, uh, not a real example exactly, but if

1070
01:00:55,343 --> 01:00:57,413
someone, if someone says something, J.

1071
01:00:57,413 --> 01:00:57,563
K.

1072
01:00:57,563 --> 01:00:57,963
Rowling.

1073
01:00:58,103 --> 01:01:00,043
Okay, this, this I'll use as the example.

1074
01:01:00,053 --> 01:01:04,063
Like, there are, there is a serious group of people who, who will not

1075
01:01:04,073 --> 01:01:05,943
touch Harry Potter anything because J.

1076
01:01:05,943 --> 01:01:06,113
K.

1077
01:01:06,113 --> 01:01:08,013
Rowling has wrong think.

1078
01:01:08,693 --> 01:01:11,953
And, and like, this is one of the, the most popular, uh, book

1079
01:01:12,023 --> 01:01:14,283
franchises ever, basically.

1080
01:01:14,283 --> 01:01:16,743
And people liked it for certain reasons, right?

1081
01:01:16,923 --> 01:01:20,083
But because someone has a wrong opinion, they get completely memory holed.

1082
01:01:20,083 --> 01:01:24,188
And, and, uh, Uh, y yeah, pro . I won't mention these.

1083
01:01:24,218 --> 01:01:25,658
Well, I'm mentioning it explicitly.

1084
01:01:25,658 --> 01:01:30,328
Uh, JK Rowling is not a Nazi philosopher, so just to, just to throw that out there.

1085
01:01:30,538 --> 01:01:34,048
But, but the example is the, the memory holding of ideas

1086
01:01:34,048 --> 01:01:35,188
and then not dealing with it.

1087
01:01:35,188 --> 01:01:39,658
So, uh, I guess to come to an actual point here is like, how do

1088
01:01:39,658 --> 01:01:47,088
we deal with the type of culture that wants to erase ideas instead of

1089
01:01:47,088 --> 01:01:47,509
dealing with them?

1090
01:01:48,313 --> 01:01:50,603
Yes, just to emphasize on the J.

1091
01:01:50,603 --> 01:01:50,783
K.

1092
01:01:50,783 --> 01:01:57,303
Rowling thing before, before, because, like, before the answer, because these

1093
01:01:57,463 --> 01:02:02,703
young actors and actresses that shun her because she claimed that trans

1094
01:02:02,703 --> 01:02:07,543
men aren't, trans women aren't women or something, whatever she said, uh,

1095
01:02:08,683 --> 01:02:13,453
the only reason that they have a life at all is because of her works, like,

1096
01:02:13,843 --> 01:02:17,623
so imagine in the, what's the word?

1097
01:02:18,568 --> 01:02:23,768
It's so gross that people, people who are, talk about biting the hand that

1098
01:02:23,768 --> 01:02:28,228
feeds you for the wrong reason, like, they would be nothing without her.

1099
01:02:28,338 --> 01:02:31,648
Yeah, but like, so, so, that whole idea though, like, like, you look at these

1100
01:02:32,108 --> 01:02:36,483
philosophers, you, you, you, like, What, what even compelled you to do that?

1101
01:02:36,483 --> 01:02:41,013
And how do you think we, we combat the, the memory holing of

1102
01:02:41,013 --> 01:02:44,533
these, of, uh, of ideas that are associated with controversial

1103
01:02:44,533 --> 01:02:46,923
people or non controversial people?

1104
01:02:47,183 --> 01:02:49,253
I mean, one of the things that inspired it, first of all, like,

1105
01:02:49,303 --> 01:02:52,613
my whole philosophical pursuit is like my own leisure and pleasure.

1106
01:02:52,623 --> 01:02:57,283
So, like, I wasn't contained within an academic framework, framework that,

1107
01:02:57,773 --> 01:02:59,683
that, that usually deprives people of it.

1108
01:02:59,703 --> 01:03:03,168
So, like, uh, A philosopher that I deeply respect, Michael Millerman,

1109
01:03:03,178 --> 01:03:06,878
he, he was a doctor at the University of Montreal, I believe.

1110
01:03:07,318 --> 01:03:11,028
Like, he, he was blackballed and kicked out because he was studying

1111
01:03:11,058 --> 01:03:12,348
individuals like Heidegger.

1112
01:03:12,368 --> 01:03:14,988
And to be clear, like, Heidegger was a Nazi.

1113
01:03:15,248 --> 01:03:19,558
And I think his philosophy does fundamentally deal with ideas

1114
01:03:19,568 --> 01:03:23,868
in Nazism, because of how it presents an ethnos of peoples.

1115
01:03:24,468 --> 01:03:27,288
And I also think it's extremely important.

1116
01:03:27,758 --> 01:03:31,488
To be able to deeply read Heidegger and critique him, and I critique him

1117
01:03:31,488 --> 01:03:34,848
through one of his students, Levinas, and I think it's extremely important

1118
01:03:34,848 --> 01:03:38,348
because Levinas deals with all of the problems that Heidegger tries

1119
01:03:38,348 --> 01:03:42,798
to present, and then overcomes them through his presentation of the other.

1120
01:03:43,328 --> 01:03:46,888
But what's really important in regards to your term is, is that as much as

1121
01:03:46,888 --> 01:03:51,623
they want to memory hole stuff, You, frankly, you can always bring it back up.

1122
01:03:51,693 --> 01:03:56,543
And to me, the great example is, is that, uh, like, I, I have contentious

1123
01:03:56,543 --> 01:03:59,553
issues with my own family for a number of reasons, but one of the main ones

1124
01:03:59,553 --> 01:04:03,723
is, look, what happened in COVID was really, really destructive, and it

1125
01:04:03,723 --> 01:04:08,423
raised certain truths of that in the United States, vaccines are given a

1126
01:04:08,423 --> 01:04:12,603
very special treatment so that they don't have to go through the same

1127
01:04:12,683 --> 01:04:15,533
rigorous process of all other medicines.

1128
01:04:16,613 --> 01:04:21,833
And as much as these people yell and scream and freak out saying, no, it's

1129
01:04:21,913 --> 01:04:27,263
safe and effective, you can turn back and go, but, but we have the documentation

1130
01:04:27,263 --> 01:04:33,013
from 1985 when the vaccine acts passed that specifically say vaccines are

1131
01:04:33,103 --> 01:04:35,953
unavoidably dangerous or unavoidably

1132
01:04:35,983 --> 01:04:36,783
unsafe.

1133
01:04:37,003 --> 01:04:41,613
This is basically the RFK's, RFK's point that people, people listen to, like,

1134
01:04:41,613 --> 01:04:44,903
the, the things that he says and it's just, it's, oh, it's anti vax, but that

1135
01:04:44,903 --> 01:04:46,643
is specifically the key point, right?

1136
01:04:46,653 --> 01:04:48,843
That, that, that act enabled

1137
01:04:48,993 --> 01:04:49,763
all this.

1138
01:04:49,973 --> 01:04:50,443
Yeah.

1139
01:04:50,683 --> 01:04:57,223
And like, this is very, very, very important because as much as we engage in

1140
01:04:57,303 --> 01:05:03,958
the denial and the propaganda of saying safe and effective, Very real people

1141
01:05:03,958 --> 01:05:08,748
are getting hurt and dying because we're not actually looking at what's going on.

1142
01:05:09,418 --> 01:05:12,768
So, to answer your question, as much as stuff gets memory

1143
01:05:12,768 --> 01:05:13,838
hold, and like with the J.

1144
01:05:13,838 --> 01:05:14,028
K.

1145
01:05:14,028 --> 01:05:17,928
Rowling thing, like, Look, like, trans people with their individuality, how they

1146
01:05:17,928 --> 01:05:20,748
identify, how they present themselves in the world, I absolutely want to

1147
01:05:20,758 --> 01:05:22,908
honor and respect that for who they are.

1148
01:05:23,278 --> 01:05:27,488
But when you come to me and you insist that, you know, a man is a woman or

1149
01:05:27,488 --> 01:05:32,598
a woman is a man, that A is B or B is A, I have to stop and go, look, there

1150
01:05:32,908 --> 01:05:34,428
are some other things going on here.

1151
01:05:34,428 --> 01:05:37,858
That's part of a long and convoluted debate that I don't think you're available

1152
01:05:37,858 --> 01:05:41,588
for because you just want to shout me down in the same way that like, and this

1153
01:05:41,588 --> 01:05:45,088
is really important to me specifically around free speech and propaganda

1154
01:05:45,658 --> 01:05:47,588
is I want other people to be wrong.

1155
01:05:47,628 --> 01:05:50,768
It's really important for other people to be wrong or, or for them to

1156
01:05:50,768 --> 01:05:53,288
be right and for me to be wrong and them to present their perspectives.

1157
01:05:53,288 --> 01:05:57,008
Cause we need to have dialogue in the same way that look like.

1158
01:05:57,738 --> 01:06:01,568
I, I think Mein Kampf should be published, that National Socialists should be

1159
01:06:01,618 --> 01:06:05,498
public about what they believe in their stances, because I want people to

1160
01:06:05,498 --> 01:06:07,148
know, these people are fucking morons.

1161
01:06:07,948 --> 01:06:11,968
They're absolutely smooth brained idiots, and I want them

1162
01:06:11,968 --> 01:06:14,248
to present their philosophy...

1163
01:06:14,883 --> 01:06:17,863
So that you can go, oh wow, these guys are just actually racist

1164
01:06:17,923 --> 01:06:21,263
assholes who don't believe in the agency of other individuals.

1165
01:06:21,303 --> 01:06:23,373
Wow, what fucking shitty people, huh?

1166
01:06:25,023 --> 01:06:29,583
Well, whereas you censor them, they go, this Hitler guy, they won't, like, they

1167
01:06:29,583 --> 01:06:31,083
won't let anything about him be out.

1168
01:06:31,083 --> 01:06:34,423
Like, maybe he had something really important and powerful to say.

1169
01:06:34,783 --> 01:06:38,503
Maybe he was actually like a really smart and great guy, and they don't

1170
01:06:38,503 --> 01:06:42,343
even was backfires well, and they don't even see that they, they contribute and

1171
01:06:42,343 --> 01:06:45,643
feedback into that in a very powerful way.

1172
01:06:45,703 --> 01:06:45,943
Yeah.

1173
01:06:45,973 --> 01:06:49,003
That contributes much more so than I think, just letting him speak freely.

1174
01:06:49,123 --> 01:06:49,333
Did,

1175
01:06:49,513 --> 01:06:52,573
did you read a book by Rothbard called The Ethics of Liberty?

1176
01:06:53,453 --> 01:06:54,673
Yeah, it was a while ago.

1177
01:06:54,763 --> 01:06:59,933
Yeah, to me it was profound because it changed my views on freedom of speech.

1178
01:07:00,313 --> 01:07:06,183
Because he makes the case for, like, the question everyone, uh, forgets to ask

1179
01:07:06,183 --> 01:07:08,273
themselves is freedom of speech where?

1180
01:07:09,013 --> 01:07:14,643
And if in a libertarian society where everyone, where there's absolute property

1181
01:07:14,643 --> 01:07:17,493
rights, you as the property owner get...

1182
01:07:17,778 --> 01:07:22,148
to set the rules of whatever anyone gets to say or not say on your property.

1183
01:07:22,438 --> 01:07:27,408
So there's no public space and therefore, I mean, each individual

1184
01:07:27,438 --> 01:07:33,088
owning whatever platform, like, gets, gets to set the rules on that platform.

1185
01:07:33,568 --> 01:07:38,513
And I, I think this, this Misinterpretation of freedom of

1186
01:07:38,513 --> 01:07:42,073
speech and what it is like, because freedom of speech laws are only

1187
01:07:42,073 --> 01:07:45,133
necessary when there's public property.

1188
01:07:46,193 --> 01:07:53,198
So, so they need to be preceded by theft and, uh, um, It reminds me

1189
01:07:53,198 --> 01:07:57,058
of the, I don't know if you heard about the Koran burnings in Sweden.

1190
01:07:57,468 --> 01:07:58,948
Yeah, I have big awareness.

1191
01:07:58,958 --> 01:08:03,338
So, so the whole Arab world is, or I shouldn't say the whole Arab world,

1192
01:08:03,418 --> 01:08:08,658
but the Muslim world, or the Islamist world, or whatever, they're pissed

1193
01:08:08,698 --> 01:08:12,288
at the Swedes now because there have been some public Koran burnings.

1194
01:08:13,448 --> 01:08:17,688
And there's a lot of bad things happening because of this, but, but the thing

1195
01:08:17,688 --> 01:08:23,153
is, and the thing is, That, in order to protect free speech, the Swedish

1196
01:08:23,153 --> 01:08:28,223
government need to employ a lot of police officers to, to guard these people who

1197
01:08:28,223 --> 01:08:30,913
want to, to burn the Quran publicly.

1198
01:08:31,803 --> 01:08:34,013
And the media reports about it all the time.

1199
01:08:34,063 --> 01:08:38,123
And there's debate about whether to change the free speech laws and blah, blah, blah.

1200
01:08:38,153 --> 01:08:42,123
And the government always apologizes to the Arab nations afterwards and like,

1201
01:08:42,123 --> 01:08:44,343
oh, sorry, but we need to do this here.

1202
01:08:46,078 --> 01:08:51,118
The thing is, if there was no police protecting them, if a guy was just, I

1203
01:08:51,178 --> 01:08:55,258
mean, I could go out and burn a Koran on the street here and no one would care.

1204
01:08:56,228 --> 01:09:02,718
Like, so the attention this thing gets, that is the problem, not the actual act.

1205
01:09:02,728 --> 01:09:06,608
It's just that all of these arbitrary things.

1206
01:09:07,343 --> 01:09:12,383
Become important because the, the, the media machine and the, the, the government

1207
01:09:12,403 --> 01:09:14,903
machine around it fuels the fire.

1208
01:09:15,443 --> 01:09:16,973
And that's the real problem.

1209
01:09:16,973 --> 01:09:20,163
It's not the, it's not the act and it's not even the people

1210
01:09:20,163 --> 01:09:21,483
getting pissed at the act.

1211
01:09:21,903 --> 01:09:26,153
It's, uh, well, then again, the real violence is from the people

1212
01:09:26,153 --> 01:09:27,833
wanting to actually kill people.

1213
01:09:27,833 --> 01:09:32,603
If you buy a Quran and burn it, it's your property, your perfectly natural

1214
01:09:32,603 --> 01:09:34,153
law tells you, you can't do that.

1215
01:09:34,763 --> 01:09:37,373
This is the whole point of the media, in my opinion, is that.

1216
01:09:37,638 --> 01:09:43,028
When you make these things into extreme things, you pump the emotions to make

1217
01:09:43,028 --> 01:09:46,668
people get upset and dramatic, you've now prevented all dialogue, you know?

1218
01:09:46,668 --> 01:09:49,768
And so like, I actually think from crown burning, if people weren't

1219
01:09:49,768 --> 01:09:51,958
showing up all pissed off wanting to hurt each other and be like, why the

1220
01:09:51,958 --> 01:09:53,528
fuck are you burning my holy book?

1221
01:09:53,938 --> 01:09:57,508
Maybe there could actually be a really deep and constructive conversation.

1222
01:09:57,938 --> 01:10:00,958
And I can't help but think like, this is the same debate that's going on in

1223
01:10:00,958 --> 01:10:02,618
the United States around trans stuff.

1224
01:10:02,658 --> 01:10:05,398
Like I said before, honor and respect these people for their...

1225
01:10:05,608 --> 01:10:08,928
There's a very complicated dialogue here that I think is really important to talk

1226
01:10:08,938 --> 01:10:12,988
about family values in the United States, what we want to represent, and what does

1227
01:10:12,988 --> 01:10:18,438
it mean that we want to have, present a culture like this, and more importantly,

1228
01:10:18,498 --> 01:10:22,368
and I think this is one that doesn't get touched on a lot, is that one of the

1229
01:10:22,368 --> 01:10:26,218
most important things to me about women is their child rearing ability and the

1230
01:10:26,218 --> 01:10:27,858
ability for us to make a family together.

1231
01:10:27,908 --> 01:10:28,158
Yeah.

1232
01:10:28,248 --> 01:10:32,388
Like, a trans woman fundamentally doesn't have that capacity.

1233
01:10:33,038 --> 01:10:34,618
And there's probably a lot of people that would want to say

1234
01:10:34,618 --> 01:10:35,678
really hateful things to me.

1235
01:10:35,688 --> 01:10:38,938
And again, like, I don't want to take away from their ability to identify

1236
01:10:38,938 --> 01:10:43,308
how they want, but no, it, it seems a little disingenuous to me to have this

1237
01:10:43,308 --> 01:10:47,048
whole dialogue about, you know, trans women are women, but we don't have to

1238
01:10:47,048 --> 01:10:48,918
worry about child rearing in any way.

1239
01:10:48,968 --> 01:10:53,983
And that also like, it sets up like a pretty dystopian worldview of like, Let's

1240
01:10:53,983 --> 01:10:57,073
accept what you're saying is totally true that, you know, like I can be

1241
01:10:57,073 --> 01:10:59,533
Erika and, you know, you can be Kanuta.

1242
01:10:59,593 --> 01:11:01,313
Why do you want to be Loretta, Stan?

1243
01:11:01,323 --> 01:11:01,893
Well, and

1244
01:11:03,253 --> 01:11:03,323
look like I...

1245
01:11:03,993 --> 01:11:06,233
However you want to live and choose to live, that's great.

1246
01:11:06,253 --> 01:11:09,523
But like, there's this whole other problem that gets presented

1247
01:11:09,693 --> 01:11:13,543
because we're trying to act like what the media has given us is the

1248
01:11:13,553 --> 01:11:13,623
truth.

1249
01:11:13,623 --> 01:11:17,353
And it's sort of like a pendulum thing because like all of

1250
01:11:17,353 --> 01:11:19,263
these fights for, for, for...

1251
01:11:20,523 --> 01:11:25,813
Certain group rights, they come from these groups being very mistreated in the past.

1252
01:11:26,133 --> 01:11:30,933
So they come from a, so they're trying to replace one system of

1253
01:11:32,913 --> 01:11:33,783
authoritarianism with another.

1254
01:11:33,783 --> 01:11:38,253
So if you, if you think deeply about all of these issues, it all boils down

1255
01:11:38,253 --> 01:11:40,043
to individualism and property rights.

1256
01:11:40,083 --> 01:11:42,363
That's, that's the only solution to all of it.

1257
01:12:43,596 --> 01:12:47,516
yeah, I want to take this back, like, uh, just to the general

1258
01:12:47,526 --> 01:12:50,516
level a little bit, the, the, the.

1259
01:12:51,651 --> 01:12:56,861
I've been playing around with an idea that this, this, the entire denial of

1260
01:12:56,891 --> 01:13:05,551
a biological reality comes from that society has abandoned individuals from

1261
01:13:05,551 --> 01:13:11,886
being able to be comfortable and safe in their identity, and the reason that this

1262
01:13:12,796 --> 01:13:18,846
That I dig into this area is that I, I think we've understood this as a society.

1263
01:13:18,846 --> 01:13:20,616
This is important to avoid.

1264
01:13:21,086 --> 01:13:25,906
So there's a, there's a Finnish poem, Valla, it's, it's,

1265
01:13:25,911 --> 01:13:27,676
it's the Finnish epic poem.

1266
01:13:28,086 --> 01:13:30,576
And it, it's, it's an oral tradition thing.

1267
01:13:30,581 --> 01:13:33,486
It was largely untouched by Christianity.

1268
01:13:33,486 --> 01:13:37,236
Other things like this compiled in the, uh, the 18 hundreds.

1269
01:13:37,686 --> 01:13:41,556
So, so this is, this is something that came from a long, long time ago.

1270
01:13:41,711 --> 01:13:45,351
And there's, there's a whole cycle of how the, the symbol of

1271
01:13:45,451 --> 01:13:50,271
society, uh, a guy named Väinämöinen and it is this magical wizard,

1272
01:13:50,271 --> 01:13:52,371
Väinämöinen, Väinämöinen,

1273
01:13:52,371 --> 01:13:52,511
Väinämöinen.

1274
01:13:52,511 --> 01:13:52,691
Yes.

1275
01:13:53,791 --> 01:13:56,761
But he's the, he's the embodiment of, of society essentially.

1276
01:13:56,791 --> 01:14:01,811
And, and he is supposed to take, uh, for, for, uh, a wife,

1277
01:14:02,241 --> 01:14:05,121
the, the, the maiden Einel.

1278
01:14:05,131 --> 01:14:05,911
Her name is Einel.

1279
01:14:06,701 --> 01:14:09,001
The poem is called the fate of Einel in English.

1280
01:14:09,591 --> 01:14:11,571
But the idea is that, that.

1281
01:14:11,851 --> 01:14:17,011
The society put an overbearingness on the, the ability of the, the young

1282
01:14:17,021 --> 01:14:21,891
woman to come into her identity and so she drowns herself in a lake.

1283
01:14:22,811 --> 01:14:27,331
Drowning in a, in a woman drowning herself in a lake is, well, literally quite bad,

1284
01:14:27,341 --> 01:14:32,241
but symbolically it's, it's the, the feminine drowning itself in nothingness,

1285
01:14:32,261 --> 01:14:33,741
putting itself into emptiness.

1286
01:14:33,801 --> 01:14:39,841
Like, uh, a girl chopping off her, her tits, complete denial

1287
01:14:39,871 --> 01:14:42,531
of, of biological reality.

1288
01:14:42,531 --> 01:14:42,641
It's.

1289
01:14:43,481 --> 01:14:47,931
The, the, the thing that these stories I see is actually kind of pointing to

1290
01:14:47,931 --> 01:14:54,471
is that society is rotten and society is, is making these things happen, uh,

1291
01:14:54,681 --> 01:14:57,761
because, because everything is wrong.

1292
01:14:57,851 --> 01:15:01,321
Everything is, uh, bad incentives.

1293
01:15:01,321 --> 01:15:04,151
Individuals can't live within themselves.

1294
01:15:04,771 --> 01:15:07,371
So that's, yeah, it's, it's like another one of my...

1295
01:15:07,631 --> 01:15:08,031
Back to

1296
01:15:08,061 --> 01:15:08,781
optimism.

1297
01:15:09,951 --> 01:15:10,161
Well,

1298
01:15:10,181 --> 01:15:12,081
well, Eric, what do you think of that?

1299
01:15:12,494 --> 01:15:16,914
This is such a complicated topic, and I think that the media has made it

1300
01:15:17,014 --> 01:15:21,484
so reductivist that it becomes very difficult to have real dialogue about.

1301
01:15:21,614 --> 01:15:27,624
And so, like, one of my main struggles is that, and I read this from Ambigan,

1302
01:15:27,634 --> 01:15:34,489
is that, uh, I'm so deeply suspicious of that part of what these ideas

1303
01:15:34,489 --> 01:15:40,979
are is about trying to create, uh, this, like, false idea of individual

1304
01:15:40,979 --> 01:15:46,789
empowerment to actually strip them of any other form of empowerment that

1305
01:15:46,799 --> 01:15:49,029
exists in a deeper societal level.

1306
01:15:49,539 --> 01:15:54,029
And so, like, I think, uh, because, like, one of the phenomenon,

1307
01:15:54,089 --> 01:15:56,714
like, specifically around this biological and trans thing is...

1308
01:15:56,924 --> 01:16:00,294
Why does it seem that there's so many more male to female trans

1309
01:16:00,314 --> 01:16:02,774
people than, than male to female?

1310
01:16:02,804 --> 01:16:08,414
In addition to the male to female, or, I'm, I'm sorry, the, the female to male,

1311
01:16:08,444 --> 01:16:13,474
sorry, the, that, that identity, it, it's not as hypervigilant or heard about.

1312
01:16:13,514 --> 01:16:16,994
And what I think is so interesting is cause like, like the frank truth

1313
01:16:16,994 --> 01:16:20,704
is, is like, look, if, if a male to female trans person wants to come

1314
01:16:20,704 --> 01:16:24,434
and compete with me in almost any competition, like, I'm probably gonna

1315
01:16:24,434 --> 01:16:26,214
win, and it's gonna be kinda funny.

1316
01:16:26,629 --> 01:16:31,249
Uh, and like, not to be an asshole, but because like, if I am, like if

1317
01:16:31,249 --> 01:16:34,889
you're matching me up with somebody who is my same weight category but can't

1318
01:16:34,899 --> 01:16:38,749
hold the same muscle mass, like, yeah, I'm, I'm probably gonna dominate them.

1319
01:16:39,659 --> 01:16:44,239
But then there's this other weird part with, uh, the male to female trans

1320
01:16:44,239 --> 01:16:47,699
population that presenting themselves as a woman, and this is what Ambigan was

1321
01:16:47,699 --> 01:16:54,189
pointing out, is that It seems to align with consumer capitalist culture almost

1322
01:16:54,189 --> 01:17:01,229
perfectly, and I'm very, very suspicious of that because why is it that you, as

1323
01:17:01,229 --> 01:17:07,639
a woman, have the full presentation of a very feminine, sexualized woman, um,

1324
01:17:08,244 --> 01:17:13,514
But you don't have the child rearing capacities, or the presentation around

1325
01:17:13,514 --> 01:17:18,424
that, or around, uh, like, aged womanhood, or, like, it all seems to be a deeply

1326
01:17:18,474 --> 01:17:24,774
sexualized thing, and it, and it just leaves me questioning, in a lot of ways,

1327
01:17:24,774 --> 01:17:28,754
like, I actually find, like, it, it's the most sexist thing that can be presented,

1328
01:17:28,984 --> 01:17:33,684
because, like, the identity that you have as a woman is as a sexual object,

1329
01:17:33,684 --> 01:17:37,214
and not as a child rearer, and I, like, look, I want to respect, too, that, like,

1330
01:17:37,549 --> 01:17:41,609
Saying a woman is only a child rearer is also extremely sexist and that there's

1331
01:17:41,619 --> 01:17:43,899
a balance in between the two, but you

1332
01:17:43,969 --> 01:17:45,379
can't really have one without the other.

1333
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:45,639
Well,

1334
01:17:45,639 --> 01:17:50,079
yeah, but, but what's so interesting is that the extreme viewpoints are

1335
01:17:50,089 --> 01:17:53,019
both very sexist in that, like a woman is a child rearer needs to

1336
01:17:53,029 --> 01:17:54,419
stay in the home, sexist as hell.

1337
01:17:54,659 --> 01:17:57,509
A woman is like a sexual fuck object that should only be used

1338
01:17:57,679 --> 01:17:59,809
for sex, totally sexist as well.

1339
01:18:00,419 --> 01:18:03,899
And I think that it's all of the in between, it's the nuance

1340
01:18:03,939 --> 01:18:07,139
and the complications of having dialogues like this that.

1341
01:18:07,509 --> 01:18:11,059
In my opinion, traditional media absolutely does not want to

1342
01:18:11,069 --> 01:18:12,269
have more than anything else.

1343
01:18:12,279 --> 01:18:14,559
It's very important to make these very contentious...

1344
01:18:15,304 --> 01:18:20,964
Angry, emotional debates that can't reach thoughtful conclusions where we can say,

1345
01:18:20,964 --> 01:18:24,764
Hey, maybe we don't see eye to eye on this, but maybe we can have dialogue.

1346
01:18:25,024 --> 01:18:29,304
And to me, like, that's the most important and critical thing that we

1347
01:18:29,304 --> 01:18:33,714
need to return to that I think returning all the way back to Bitcoin we're doing

1348
01:18:33,734 --> 01:18:37,714
is that we're having open dialogue because there aren't guardrails for us.

1349
01:18:37,754 --> 01:18:41,944
We need to include everything and have all of the debates possible because.

1350
01:18:42,424 --> 01:18:46,374
We just don't know what the real answers are, but, and this is a very

1351
01:18:46,374 --> 01:18:52,584
important but, I know through the true process of dialogue, of us working

1352
01:18:52,584 --> 01:18:56,904
together through dialogue to try to figure out what that truth is in

1353
01:18:56,904 --> 01:18:59,134
between us, that's how we can find it.

1354
01:18:59,264 --> 01:18:59,464
Yeah,

1355
01:18:59,684 --> 01:19:03,784
and there's no other way, because if we remove violence from the equation

1356
01:19:03,784 --> 01:19:07,504
entirely, which is sort of what Bitcoin does, there's only dialogue left.

1357
01:19:07,649 --> 01:19:12,679
Like, uh, humans have two ways of resolving conflict, speech and violence.

1358
01:19:13,429 --> 01:19:14,399
That's what it boils down

1359
01:19:14,399 --> 01:19:14,619
to.

1360
01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:19,449
And it's so important to know and understand that the very act of trying to

1361
01:19:19,449 --> 01:19:24,709
engage in speech helps negate the violence that is there otherwise, because we're

1362
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:26,909
saying, I don't want to engage in that.

1363
01:19:27,609 --> 01:19:30,859
I sincerely want to know and understand and talk to you.

1364
01:19:31,454 --> 01:19:33,844
And I think that's so important, particularly with where we're at in

1365
01:19:33,844 --> 01:19:38,104
our media, because our media is deeply uninterested in having conversation.

1366
01:19:38,114 --> 01:19:40,504
It's very interested in offering vitriol.

1367
01:19:40,794 --> 01:19:41,174
Yeah,

1368
01:19:41,334 --> 01:19:44,664
it wants clicks and likes and retweets and stuff.

1369
01:19:44,714 --> 01:19:44,934
Yeah,

1370
01:19:44,934 --> 01:19:51,094
and it turns out when you say hateful, radicalizing, and absolute dialogue,

1371
01:19:51,094 --> 01:19:52,824
that that drives a lot of clicks.

1372
01:19:53,204 --> 01:19:58,159
And this is in a large part One of the greater problems that are going on is

1373
01:19:58,159 --> 01:20:04,309
because it's reduced our time preference to such a short window that literal

1374
01:20:04,319 --> 01:20:09,909
journalists are now just media mouthpieces that, that fundamentally don't even

1375
01:20:09,929 --> 01:20:14,309
understand what journalism is, you know, and this is part of the destruction

1376
01:20:14,429 --> 01:20:15,979
of society on a whole right now.

1377
01:20:15,979 --> 01:20:16,849
That's really sad.

1378
01:20:16,969 --> 01:20:17,239
Yeah.

1379
01:20:17,319 --> 01:20:17,539
Did

1380
01:20:17,539 --> 01:20:19,269
you hear about the Chess Association?

1381
01:20:19,309 --> 01:20:22,099
I don't know what the name of the organization, but there's

1382
01:20:22,229 --> 01:20:23,754
some international chess club.

1383
01:20:25,494 --> 01:20:33,124
Association or organization that have, uh, uh, they're now preventing trans,

1384
01:20:33,564 --> 01:20:34,994
uh, females from competing the chess

1385
01:20:39,364 --> 01:20:40,114
championships.

1386
01:20:40,364 --> 01:20:40,944
Oh, yeah.

1387
01:20:40,974 --> 01:20:45,254
So it's okay for Leah Thomas to win a swimming competition and her shoulders

1388
01:20:45,294 --> 01:20:49,934
are like twice as wide as the, the girl, the poor girl who got the

1389
01:20:49,944 --> 01:20:52,534
silver medal, but in chess it's okay.

1390
01:20:52,834 --> 01:20:53,374
But in chess.

1391
01:20:53,524 --> 01:20:53,554
Yes.

1392
01:20:53,674 --> 01:20:54,674
They can't compete.

1393
01:20:54,734 --> 01:21:00,154
Like, that is so ironic and so awful and so funny at the

1394
01:21:00,164 --> 01:21:01,664
same time on so many levels.

1395
01:21:01,674 --> 01:21:03,394
So like, I, I don't really know how to.

1396
01:21:04,004 --> 01:21:04,314
Yeah.

1397
01:21:04,344 --> 01:21:04,734
Well, I,

1398
01:21:04,734 --> 01:21:08,974
I think the concept of, of a separate women's division in chess is super sexist.

1399
01:21:09,114 --> 01:21:09,434
Yeah.

1400
01:21:09,564 --> 01:21:09,754
Yeah.

1401
01:21:10,344 --> 01:21:14,164
And then, well, the only reason it exists, basically, is, is that there,

1402
01:21:14,244 --> 01:21:20,254
that there aren't any women who have climbed the ranks, uh, to, to compete

1403
01:21:20,314 --> 01:21:25,094
with the, the guys, basically, because there's, there's been a couple of female

1404
01:21:25,104 --> 01:21:29,764
chess super grandmasters that have come into basically the top 10 of the world,

1405
01:21:29,784 --> 01:21:34,389
and, and, and one of them was raised as a chess prodigy from, um, Her very

1406
01:21:34,389 --> 01:21:39,809
beginning, Judith Polgar, and, and, and she, she was in the running for

1407
01:21:39,809 --> 01:21:42,669
one of the world championships like 10, 15 years ago, something like that.

1408
01:21:43,409 --> 01:21:46,039
But there aren't, there are hardly any other women who do that.

1409
01:21:46,039 --> 01:21:47,009
So it's like, and you can

1410
01:21:47,009 --> 01:21:50,229
have whatever theory you want on why that is the case.

1411
01:21:50,869 --> 01:21:55,199
But, but it's still, it's a game where nerdiness

1412
01:21:59,159 --> 01:22:01,669
and time in the game plays a big part.

1413
01:22:01,669 --> 01:22:01,929
Yeah, yeah.

1414
01:22:01,979 --> 01:22:03,259
But regardless, if you.

1415
01:22:04,839 --> 01:22:09,299
Uh, if you think that there are differences, inherent differences

1416
01:22:09,299 --> 01:22:16,049
between male and female brains or not, uh, why are there different categories?

1417
01:22:16,049 --> 01:22:19,379
Like why is that , why is that a thing at all?

1418
01:22:19,899 --> 01:22:20,379
You know,

1419
01:22:20,379 --> 01:22:24,759
like I, and like this is one of the, the great problems that I think have

1420
01:22:24,759 --> 01:22:28,869
been presented is that through this homogenizing of all people and saying that

1421
01:22:29,019 --> 01:22:31,389
a man is a woman like Blackbody, yeah.

1422
01:22:31,389 --> 01:22:33,999
Everybody's equal no matter what at any point in time.

1423
01:22:34,654 --> 01:22:39,274
Uh, like, it, it, and like, this is the same thing that's going on in the United

1424
01:22:39,304 --> 01:22:44,504
States, you know, with ideas like, uh, reparations payments towards people

1425
01:22:44,504 --> 01:22:45,864
that are former slaves or whatever.

1426
01:22:45,964 --> 01:22:48,064
First of all, like, there is no one in the United States

1427
01:22:48,064 --> 01:22:49,374
today that is a former slave.

1428
01:22:49,374 --> 01:22:50,184
That's really important.

1429
01:22:50,194 --> 01:22:51,294
No, they're a current slave.

1430
01:22:51,544 --> 01:22:53,614
Well, we're all current tax slaves.

1431
01:22:54,134 --> 01:22:58,244
But, uh, It ends up going to these places that, despite the fact that it

1432
01:22:58,254 --> 01:23:01,894
doesn't want to be racist or sexist, it becomes, like, the most racist

1433
01:23:01,894 --> 01:23:03,814
and the most sexist possible thing.

1434
01:23:03,874 --> 01:23:04,214
Yeah.

1435
01:23:04,274 --> 01:23:08,104
And it's really funny because, uh, this is something that my ex actually pointed

1436
01:23:08,104 --> 01:23:13,174
out to, was that, like, in her opinion, and I hope I don't get flamed too much for

1437
01:23:13,174 --> 01:23:19,634
this, in her opinion, like, Trans women are like the most sexist presentation of

1438
01:23:19,634 --> 01:23:25,174
women, cause like, you have a biological man telling women, insisting to women

1439
01:23:25,184 --> 01:23:30,084
that they are a woman, and if you deny that they are a woman, that person

1440
01:23:30,104 --> 01:23:36,309
actually is sexist, and then furthermore You're having men come into women's

1441
01:23:36,309 --> 01:23:40,239
competitions, beating the shit out of them in it, and saying you need to respect

1442
01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:42,469
and honor that because I'm also a woman?

1443
01:23:42,849 --> 01:23:45,279
And again, like, to me, this is a leg too far.

1444
01:23:45,529 --> 01:23:48,229
We can say, hey, if you want to have your own category, however you want to

1445
01:23:48,229 --> 01:23:53,319
identify, but you trying to take away the actual differences between us as

1446
01:23:53,319 --> 01:23:58,194
people, and furthermore You just not actually respecting enough in a way to

1447
01:23:58,204 --> 01:24:04,264
say, Hey, maybe, well, and the thing that I find the most interesting is that, I

1448
01:24:04,264 --> 01:24:07,414
don't want to go into this cause it's a slippery slope, like dangerous territory.

1449
01:24:07,434 --> 01:24:07,824
Okay.

1450
01:24:07,824 --> 01:24:10,034
So to me, it's, it's easy.

1451
01:24:10,104 --> 01:24:13,974
Like anything with the word anti in front of it is that thing.

1452
01:24:14,174 --> 01:24:16,264
So an anti racist is a racist.

1453
01:24:16,684 --> 01:24:18,864
An anti fascist is a fascist.

1454
01:24:19,074 --> 01:24:23,134
If you're just a non racist or non fascist, that solves the problem.

1455
01:24:23,144 --> 01:24:24,034
Like don't.

1456
01:24:24,524 --> 01:24:28,434
Don't put people into group categories and you're, you're fine.

1457
01:24:29,294 --> 01:24:33,454
You're not, you don't fall into any of these categories.

1458
01:24:34,204 --> 01:24:39,044
An anti sexist is also a sexist, like a non sexist is a non sexist.

1459
01:24:39,084 --> 01:24:40,654
So an anti trans is trans?

1460
01:24:42,819 --> 01:24:46,529
Maybe, I mean, like, maybe that's why they're so inflamed about it is because

1461
01:24:46,539 --> 01:24:48,849
maybe they really identify that way.

1462
01:24:49,309 --> 01:24:53,829
But back to individualism again, like the, the, the smallest

1463
01:24:53,859 --> 01:24:55,909
minority group is always the person.

1464
01:24:56,229 --> 01:25:00,839
So respect people like for what they are, individuals for what they are,

1465
01:25:01,149 --> 01:25:02,839
they are not their group belonging.

1466
01:25:03,209 --> 01:25:06,109
They are not their, they're not their passport, they're not

1467
01:25:06,109 --> 01:25:08,879
their skin color, they're not their sex, they're not their...

1468
01:25:09,074 --> 01:25:09,654
Gender.

1469
01:25:10,724 --> 01:25:11,004
Absolutely.

1470
01:25:11,024 --> 01:25:13,484
Like, they're not their fucking football team, they're a

1471
01:25:13,484 --> 01:25:14,054
person.

1472
01:25:14,384 --> 01:25:17,294
And like, one of the interesting places to extend this to is like, there's

1473
01:25:17,294 --> 01:25:21,804
totally intersexed and intergendered people that have two Xs and a Y, or

1474
01:25:21,804 --> 01:25:25,974
two Ys and, you know, however, and it's important, again, we want to have space

1475
01:25:25,974 --> 01:25:30,694
for them, but I think one of the main problems that we've gotten to is that...

1476
01:25:31,489 --> 01:25:34,909
Like you were saying, you know, by being anti racist we start to become racist, by

1477
01:25:34,909 --> 01:25:42,329
being, you know, pro trans or anti bis, that it escalates to the forefront of the

1478
01:25:42,339 --> 01:25:47,569
dialogue, that feature, which then almost becomes a sort of inescapability, instead

1479
01:25:47,569 --> 01:25:52,009
of just saying, hey, you're Jenny, like, okay, you used to be Jeff, whatever, like,

1480
01:25:52,239 --> 01:25:56,729
that's cool, like, you know, we can still have a great debate and dialogue, uh,

1481
01:25:56,769 --> 01:25:59,909
and, and like, I think the biggest one is, is why do we have to lead with that?

1482
01:25:59,989 --> 01:26:01,949
You know, like, why, why do, why do we have to Why do I have to,

1483
01:26:01,949 --> 01:26:03,849
you know, like, you don't see me coming in the conversation being

1484
01:26:03,849 --> 01:26:05,409
like, hello, I'm Eric, a white male.

1485
01:26:05,419 --> 01:26:06,229
How are you today?

1486
01:26:06,239 --> 01:26:08,179
You know, and like, people would be like, well, that's because

1487
01:26:08,179 --> 01:26:12,099
you've always maintained the patriarchal position of white power.

1488
01:26:12,119 --> 01:26:12,849
You know, I'm like...

1489
01:26:13,579 --> 01:26:17,569
Some of these leftist catchphrases though, I really like them because they...

1490
01:26:17,784 --> 01:26:18,724
They're actually true.

1491
01:26:18,944 --> 01:26:20,684
Like my body, my choice.

1492
01:26:21,754 --> 01:26:22,174
Yes.

1493
01:26:22,244 --> 01:26:23,704
Apply that to everything, please.

1494
01:26:24,114 --> 01:26:26,164
Like not to

1495
01:26:26,204 --> 01:26:27,264
absolutely everything.

1496
01:26:27,304 --> 01:26:28,114
Well, I'm like, same thing.

1497
01:26:28,694 --> 01:26:33,124
Guns are horrific tools of violence and we absolutely need to make sure that that

1498
01:26:33,134 --> 01:26:34,634
dangerous people are stripped of them.

1499
01:26:34,644 --> 01:26:36,724
Let's start with the military and police.

1500
01:26:36,764 --> 01:26:37,354
Cause they kill

1501
01:26:37,354 --> 01:26:38,294
the most people.

1502
01:26:38,324 --> 01:26:39,754
And there's also defund the police.

1503
01:26:39,834 --> 01:26:40,144
Yes.

1504
01:26:40,414 --> 01:26:42,134
And every other fucking institution.

1505
01:26:42,314 --> 01:26:44,244
Please start wherever you want.

1506
01:26:44,254 --> 01:26:45,524
Just defund everything.

1507
01:26:45,744 --> 01:26:45,974
Yeah.

1508
01:26:47,094 --> 01:26:50,364
Leftists get really, like, they kind of glitch out when I do that.

1509
01:26:50,414 --> 01:26:51,834
I'm like, yeah, absolutely.

1510
01:26:51,834 --> 01:26:53,654
Women need to have a right to abortion.

1511
01:26:53,654 --> 01:26:56,924
And, and just like in the same way, I need to have a right that nobody should inject

1512
01:26:56,924 --> 01:26:58,324
me with anything that I don't know about.

1513
01:26:58,564 --> 01:26:59,974
And they're like, well, hang on.

1514
01:27:00,224 --> 01:27:02,854
Or to inject yourself with whatever you want for that matter.

1515
01:27:02,854 --> 01:27:03,054
Sure.

1516
01:27:03,264 --> 01:27:03,674
Yeah.

1517
01:27:03,964 --> 01:27:06,094
And like a hundred percent, I want to respect your body.

1518
01:27:06,104 --> 01:27:06,964
You should respect that.

1519
01:27:06,974 --> 01:27:10,214
I want to put all kinds of different drugs and stuff into my body, you know?

1520
01:27:10,254 --> 01:27:10,724
And like.

1521
01:27:11,209 --> 01:27:12,939
Yeah, I don't know, at the end of the day, like, I'd

1522
01:27:12,939 --> 01:27:15,349
even try baklava if it came to that, you know,

1523
01:27:15,909 --> 01:27:16,889
yeah, absolutely.

1524
01:27:16,949 --> 01:27:20,559
And like, going back to earlier, what we were talking about, about

1525
01:27:20,559 --> 01:27:24,269
the positivity, like, we're in the middle of this extraordinary bloom

1526
01:27:24,269 --> 01:27:25,499
that the internet's providing.

1527
01:27:25,499 --> 01:27:28,589
And we're like, these dialogues wouldn't happen anywhere else.

1528
01:27:28,749 --> 01:27:31,039
There would never be a space for it, and people wouldn't even be

1529
01:27:31,039 --> 01:27:34,019
aware of these forms of thought if it wasn't for the internet.

1530
01:27:34,579 --> 01:27:37,139
And so it's so extraordinary that we get to have a space

1531
01:27:37,139 --> 01:27:38,069
where we get to talk about it.

1532
01:27:38,419 --> 01:27:40,919
Maybe I'm totally wrong, maybe there's some point here that I'm

1533
01:27:40,919 --> 01:27:44,139
absolutely missing, and that, you know, leftists are 100 percent right.

1534
01:27:44,189 --> 01:27:47,489
I'm pretty sure they're not, but I'm open to having a dialogue

1535
01:27:47,499 --> 01:27:49,709
about it, because I probably am

1536
01:27:49,719 --> 01:27:50,369
missing something.

1537
01:27:50,409 --> 01:27:51,819
Yeah, and what is the internet?

1538
01:27:52,889 --> 01:27:54,219
It's just us communicating.

1539
01:27:54,369 --> 01:27:57,219
It's just an easier way for us to connect and communicate.

1540
01:27:57,229 --> 01:28:01,469
That's all it is, and it's all through mathematics, which is also language.

1541
01:28:01,529 --> 01:28:03,579
Like, it's all about communication.

1542
01:28:04,219 --> 01:28:05,579
As a substitute for violence.

1543
01:28:05,939 --> 01:28:06,189
That's

1544
01:28:06,189 --> 01:28:06,599
what it is.

1545
01:28:06,679 --> 01:28:10,219
And like, one of the key differences though is that now getting to sort of

1546
01:28:10,229 --> 01:28:13,019
zoom in and use this language of math.

1547
01:28:13,714 --> 01:28:18,074
Uh, like if I'm providing a cryptographic proof that is one number off, you can

1548
01:28:18,074 --> 01:28:20,014
be like, that's, that's fucking wrong.

1549
01:28:20,164 --> 01:28:21,164
And I'm like, well, hang on.

1550
01:28:21,164 --> 01:28:21,724
No, no, no.

1551
01:28:21,724 --> 01:28:22,574
We're like really close.

1552
01:28:22,594 --> 01:28:24,694
And you're like, yeah, it doesn't fucking matter.

1553
01:28:24,694 --> 01:28:25,494
You're wrong.

1554
01:28:25,504 --> 01:28:27,364
Yeah, it doesn't kill the rabbit.

1555
01:28:27,694 --> 01:28:27,804
Like,

1556
01:28:27,894 --> 01:28:30,904
where, like, if I say this beer bottle here is amber, you could go, well,

1557
01:28:30,904 --> 01:28:32,874
no, that, that's more of a brown.

1558
01:28:32,904 --> 01:28:34,794
And I could go, well, maybe it's an ant.

1559
01:28:35,594 --> 01:28:38,884
Well, and there's this metaphorical difference that always happens in language

1560
01:28:38,884 --> 01:28:43,354
where we're always one degree removed from being able to have some, like, like

1561
01:28:43,354 --> 01:28:46,664
we can never actually conclude whether this is brown or amber or something in

1562
01:28:46,664 --> 01:28:52,024
between, whereas with a cryptographic proof, it's absolutely certain whether

1563
01:28:52,024 --> 01:28:53,839
or not this is the same proof or not.

1564
01:28:54,389 --> 01:28:58,599
And to me, like, that's sort of this more hyper resolutioned language that

1565
01:28:58,599 --> 01:29:02,959
we have access through cryptography that we're at a very, very rudimentary stage.

1566
01:29:03,079 --> 01:29:03,329
Yeah.

1567
01:29:03,429 --> 01:29:09,029
You know, like, we're using it, we're using it almost as monkeys, just with

1568
01:29:09,029 --> 01:29:12,889
the most rudimentary communication, which, you know, again, in the tradition

1569
01:29:12,889 --> 01:29:16,679
of all of humanity, returning to the very beginning, is like, This

1570
01:29:16,679 --> 01:29:18,159
is the fucking origin of language.

1571
01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:22,049
Like I encounter another savage in the world and I go, Oh, he's the shit.

1572
01:29:22,069 --> 01:29:24,739
Me Tarzan, you Jane, go away.

1573
01:29:25,029 --> 01:29:26,189
He goes like, Oh, wow.

1574
01:29:26,279 --> 01:29:27,009
This is a great hat.

1575
01:29:27,039 --> 01:29:28,409
I can't just like steal his hat.

1576
01:29:28,599 --> 01:29:29,589
His gods will kill me.

1577
01:29:29,769 --> 01:29:35,579
So like, I'll like take this hat and then you're like, Oh shit.

1578
01:29:35,669 --> 01:29:38,679
Like if I, if I like leave these stupid hats, this guy will like,

1579
01:29:38,679 --> 01:29:40,719
give me these super valuable bottles.

1580
01:29:41,654 --> 01:29:45,164
And like, lo and behold, the global economy begins.

1581
01:29:45,224 --> 01:29:45,744
Yeah,

1582
01:29:46,504 --> 01:29:48,474
all trade is, is communication.

1583
01:29:48,834 --> 01:29:52,394
And amber is a good word because Bitcoin is cryptographic amber, right?

1584
01:29:52,474 --> 01:29:56,924
And the more blocks that get added to the time chain, the more amber, layers

1585
01:29:56,924 --> 01:29:59,034
of amber is around that transaction.

1586
01:29:59,034 --> 01:30:01,984
And it's more and more irreversible, the more time flows.

1587
01:30:02,314 --> 01:30:04,304
This episode is sponsored by Amber App.

1588
01:30:05,214 --> 01:30:06,994
Oh, is there a plug for amber?

1589
01:30:07,354 --> 01:30:07,924
Yeah, no, just,

1590
01:30:08,264 --> 01:30:08,824
just kidding.

1591
01:30:08,854 --> 01:30:09,844
Give us money, Izzy.

1592
01:30:10,144 --> 01:30:13,594
So, uh, I wanted to do this one.

1593
01:30:13,654 --> 01:30:18,294
Uh, one of my favorites comic strips is from Gary Larson, where he explains

1594
01:30:18,324 --> 01:30:20,064
the four different personality types.

1595
01:30:20,624 --> 01:30:23,884
So would you say that this glass is half full or half empty?

1596
01:30:24,064 --> 01:30:25,014
We'll say half full.

1597
01:30:25,504 --> 01:30:25,944
Okay.

1598
01:30:26,324 --> 01:30:28,494
So you fall into one of these four categories.

1599
01:30:28,504 --> 01:30:31,034
And the first category, it's the people who say it's half full.

1600
01:30:31,344 --> 01:30:34,014
The second category is the people who say it's half empty.

1601
01:30:34,919 --> 01:30:39,569
The third category is the Indis indecisive people who say it's half full, half empty.

1602
01:30:39,569 --> 01:30:42,179
I don't really know the agnostics of the world, you know?

1603
01:30:43,249 --> 01:30:45,289
And the fourth cate, uh, category, which.

1604
01:30:46,029 --> 01:30:49,519
I have observed through life, it's by far the largest category of

1605
01:30:49,549 --> 01:30:53,379
people, and it's the people who say, Hey, I ordered a cheeseburger.

1606
01:30:56,679 --> 01:30:56,979
Yes.

1607
01:30:57,619 --> 01:31:00,479
That's a good metaphor for all of life and the way people approach it.

1608
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:01,029
Yeah, yeah.

1609
01:31:02,089 --> 01:31:04,209
Erik, thank you so much for coming on again.

1610
01:31:04,649 --> 01:31:08,309
We fucking treasure your friendship and, you know, give us a hug.

1611
01:31:10,044 --> 01:31:14,634
let's get it on video there we go there we go and we need to get back to the

1612
01:31:14,634 --> 01:31:16,204
conference and do stupid shit it's

1613
01:31:16,214 --> 01:31:21,804
true we're we're below on gears so yeah but i'll get to you next thanks again eric

1614
01:31:21,904 --> 01:31:23,944
thank you thank you guys thank you guys

1615
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:27,349
So what did you think of that episode with Erik?

1616
01:31:27,979 --> 01:31:30,562
His views on crypto sovereignty are definitely thought provoking.

1617
01:31:30,582 --> 01:31:33,122
I'm really looking forward to reading his book on the topic.

1618
01:31:33,459 --> 01:31:34,759
What was your favorite moment?

1619
01:31:34,869 --> 01:31:35,539
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1620
01:31:35,759 --> 01:31:38,829
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