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Aleks, welcome back to the Bitcoin Infinity Show.

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Gentlemen, good to see you.

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Good to see you, Aleks!

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Again.

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Last time we saw each other was in Buenos Aires, where you wanted to kill everyone.

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Basically, what's what's new?

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The, you know what it is, at the end of every year, I think

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I'm ready to kill everyone.

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And I need to like then switch off, go away.

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And then I come back and I'm like more zenned out again.

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I think what what, maybe the solution is I need to go away twice a year.

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So that way before I get to the point of wanting to stab everybody.

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I kind of like have a chance to segue.

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Anyway.

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now, jokingly, you didn't want to kill everyone, you hardly wanted

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to kill anyone, but I can tell you, you were a bit fatigued from doing

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too many conferences and doing too many things for For a long time.

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And I think you've found your zen again here.

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It feels like that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I'm, I'm feeling better.

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Got to go, go away a little bit, so much better.

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And, and you have a lot of things, like there's a lot of news, like the big

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thing is, yeah, well, you're obviously working on Satlantis, and we talked

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about that last time quite a bit.

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So if you want to check out what Satlantis is and how awesome it is,

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you should check out Aleks's previous episode, uh, and we also talked a bit

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about the Bushido of Bitcoin, which is out now, which is your magnum opus,

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if you will, uh, could I call it that?

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It's a, it's a big ass book that you wrote.

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It's a, it's a giant.

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Yeah.

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530 pages.

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I think I have it here.

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Here it is,

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Oh, holy.

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the giant, it's, it's fucking, it's bigger than me, which is not that big.

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Yeah,

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Yeah.

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I mean,

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it's, um, yeah, 530 pages, 130, 000 words.

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It's a, it's a monster.

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And there, there is actually a.

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A part two in the making, because I had to pull a big chunk out of the book,

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which was, which was quite complete, but I couldn't figure out where to put

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it without, uh, kind of disorienting the order and the, and, and the, the

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structure that I have of the book.

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Plus, I was trying to find things to cut because the book was

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just getting excessively long.

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I think I was at 150, 000 words or whatever.

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So when I did that, I kind of sectioned it out and there will

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be a part two and part two of.

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It'll be basically I'm going to do the Bushido Bitcoin series.

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So the second book will be called The Metaphysics of War and Beauty.

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That's the second one that I'm working on.

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It's going to be quite a, another book to challenge people.

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Like this one definitely will challenge Bitcoiners and this next

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one will challenge a larger audience.

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so, uh, I mean, the Bushido Bitcoin is sort of, uh, Aleks

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channeling his, his inner nature.

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Right.

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If I

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A mixture.

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A mixture of that.

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So it's kind of like channeling some blend of Nietzsche, Hoppe, and Christianity

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and obviously Japanese history.

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So it's, you know, whatever that Venn diagram is there.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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With you in the middle.

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Correct.

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Yeah.

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Trying to hold it all together.

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You know, that meme with the, like the button trying to hold it all.

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Did you see the, the Venn diagram for, for John Lennon?

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Where, where they, the, the two circles, like being, being a good songwriter,

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being a good poet, and they're separate.

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big, big blob of being a decent person and it's also separated from the

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others , like, so it's almost there.

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Anyway, uh, , uh, yeah, I remember we had a like, um.

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we figured out some similarities between, or a lot of similarities between our,

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uh, Clown World book, The Inverse of Clown World, and Bushido Bitcoin.

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When, uh, back in BTC Prague, um, in, when was that, June or something?

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Um, May or June?

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It was June.

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Yes, so we had a long walk and we talked about, uh, your book and our book, and,

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uh, figured out that they, they're very similar, like, because we're, we came

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to similar conclusions, uh, About stuff.

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I, I remember you had a, uh, you asked me about the, the word virtue and using

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the word word virtue or if you, uh, if you should pick another word, in

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fact that we brainstorming about that.

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Do you remember that?

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Did we get onto that from discussing why I didn't pick morality as the word?

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I, I believe so.

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The interesting stuff is always in the nuance.

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The interesting stuff is always in the nuance.

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And that's, I think one of the problems of the modern world is

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that people have lost nuance.

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Like most people are fucking either black or white or stupid, right?

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And the, the, the challenge is finding someone to discuss, uh, the

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nuance with and basically the, you know, the dance between the things.

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So one example is I just listened to a good podcast.

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That was basically breaking down Jordan Peterson's, uh, position on the history

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of the West and really his emphasis on the Bible as the founding basis of the

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West and, you know, he focuses very much so in like the, the Judean world

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and he basically completely skips.

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Greece, Rome, Macedonia, the Norse, the Germanic tribes, like it fucking

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skips all of that and like, that's really where, that's European history.

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That's the history of the West there, like, you know, Christianity forms a

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part of it, but, um, and particularly the Judeo component, like real Christianity

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is actually a European concept.

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Had Europe not existed, had Aleksander not crossed into Asia, had Rome not

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been built, uh, Christianity would never have made it to the West, right?

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So, it's um, you know, anyway, that's a whole other tangent, but listening

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to this podcast, there was just a lot of nuance in the discussion because,

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you know, Nietzsche and I guess the traditional concept of Christianity

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were not actually that far apart.

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Um, what Christianity sort of devolved into was what

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Nietzsche had a problem with.

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And, um, most Modern people who would consider them Christian, they just sort of

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hear the word Nietzsche, and they're like, oh, you know, he wrote the Antichrist, so

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he must be evil, um, and they kind of like throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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And it's really shallow thinking.

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It's, it's a, it's a, it's an inability to play with nuance.

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And, you know, that's one of the things I like about our discussions is

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that we can dance around the nuance.

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We can tussle, we can wrestle, and that's, that's how you come up with shit.

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funny, funnily enough, I, this morning I watched the, uh, uh, the celebration

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of Hitchmas, if you know what that is, uh, so it's a bunch of people, uh,

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celebrating, uh, Christopher Hitchens.

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which was one of the four horsemen of the new atheist movement like 15 years ago.

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So it was a panel with Douglas Murray, uh, Richard Dawkins.

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dark web, quote unquote, 15 years ago.

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all kind of, they're all kind of, they're all kind of lefty, um, but they, but

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Christopher had, uh, like a very special, I mean, he was part of, I wouldn't have,

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probably wouldn't have found Bitcoin if it wasn't for that guy, because he was

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so good at, at just poking holes at empty arguments and, and calling people idiots.

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And I really love that aspect of it.

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And there was some really fun back, funny back and forth

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about Jordan Peterson and about.

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Um, uh, what Christopher would have, uh, thunk, uh, uh, about, like, the woke

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religion, like, he was bashing religion a lot, and, like, what he would have

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thought of the latest fads with, uh, transgender stuff and, and all of this.

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And, uh, yeah, how he compared back in the day, how he compared it, he traveled

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to North Korea and how he compared that to, uh, Catholicism and the similarities

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between, um, the deity in being Mr.

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Kim in North Korea and, and the Pope, like the, the similarities between them.

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Uh, so there's some interesting stuff there because this is like, This is

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coming from a completely different angle.

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Yeah, although I think that's a pretty shallow angle.

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I think there's, uh, there's a lot of tradition, um, in Catholicism

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that doesn't exist in North Korea.

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Like North Korea is a modern construct.

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But yeah, maybe some surface level similarities.

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where was I?

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I had a thread here.

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Luke, help me out here.

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Well, I, I think, I think that the thing we were talking about is the, the, a

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lot of the intersection that, that we've been, uh, dancing around between our,

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our various books and the projects that we've been working on is, is something

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about having these discussions about the important things in Bitcoin and in life.

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A common thread, I think, for all three of us has definitely been that Bitcoin

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is one extremely important aspect of life, but The philosophical side,

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the philosophical angle of Bitcoin has to fit in with this, this frame.

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It all has to make sense somehow.

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And, uh, I mean, I, I've, I've always looked at Bitcoin from

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this kind of philosophical lens.

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And I, I know the, the two of you also do as well.

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And basically, I think one of the things that started to come out of Prague,

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I hope this is where you were going with this Knut, but, but I think it's

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logical anyway, is, is that The three of us are pretty darn aligned in terms

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of the importance of facilitating these discussions and getting the word out

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about generally and what it means to us and it clear why this is important.

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And so we've been doing our own little thing for the last

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couple of years, Knut and I.

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We've had these, uh, this podcast, and Knut's obviously been doing, uh,

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books for, for a while before that.

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Um, but now we're getting pretty, pretty serious about really growing,

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uh, This thing that we're doing, and we've, we've got a whole bunch, a whole

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bunch of things coming up, honestly, that are, uh, really intensifying our

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ability to, to facilitate this, say, Bitcoin educational initiative or

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Bitcoin philosophical, uh, I don't know, think tank, mind meld, whatever it is.

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Um, and one of these things that we came up with.

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In, in Prague was the Bitcoin Times magazine.

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Basically the, from, from our side, uh, we'd known about Bitcoin Times from,

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from its, uh, You know, reputation in the community, uh, this collectible magazine

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that, uh, that had long form articles from the best, biggest voices in the, in

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the space, really, and, um, yeah, maybe there was something that we could do,

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uh, with you on this, and so, basically, I think, I think where we are is that,

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uh, we're working together on this.

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The Bitcoin Times going forward, and maybe I can hand it off

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to you now, Aleks, to uh,

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Let me, yeah, let me, let me take over because I think there's,

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2025 is going to be special.

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So for everyone listening, Luke, Knut and I are going to be doing

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something together with Bitcoin Times.

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But before I get onto that, I just want to say part of Part of the thing that's

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happened to me over the last 12 months, and Knut you'd probably know this more

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than anyone because, you know, I've become a little bit of a, not a Bitcoin bear,

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but a Bitcoin I don't care kind of guy.

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Like I've sort of started to slowly by slowly like extract

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myself from the community.

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Um, you know, the new business I'm running, Atlantis, as much as it's got

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like some element of Bitcoin stuff about it, it's really not a Bitcoin product.

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Uh, it's not You know, it's not really built for Bitcoiners either, like,

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there's, there's, Bitcoiners will find utility there, um, but, you know,

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I'm going for a different market.

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Likewise, my next book, The Metaphysics of War and Beauty, while it's a part,

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it's an extension to, to this, um, you know, it's not really a book about

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Bitcoin, and, and neither is this one for that matter, like, I'm just sort

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of, I've, I've reached the point.

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Uh, in my personal and professional journey where, uh,

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Bitcoin is less important to me.

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It's, it's something that I want to see, uh, recede in the background.

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Now, that doesn't mean that I don't still hold, uh, all of

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the things that I came across.

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Uh, as true and as important and as necessary to help other people know, I

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think that is definitely still important.

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The thing is, my interest is just taking me somewhere else.

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And for those who know about the Bitcoin Times and who know that I, uh,

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started it back in 2018 or whatever it is, and who are watching the different

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editions come out, et cetera, know that it was a high quality publication,

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but it's just something that I don't have the time nor the level of

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desire interest to keep, uh, leading.

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And, and I think, you know, the older you get, the more, I mean, I don't know

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if this is just me or if it's everyone as they get older, but I want to do less

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things and I want to do them better.

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I think in my 20s I wanted to do everything and I wanted to do it as

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good as possible and I think I just burnt a lot of gas in the process.

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we were just, we were just discussing before we got on the call about how

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I went off to Patagonia for about a week and I completely switched off,

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turned off my phone, turned off, like basically left the screens away and had

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to drive around without a fucking GPS.

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Right.

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Like, so just trying to figure it out and going and paying for food and at

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the restaurant and everything in cash.

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So like just disconnected from the world and it, and it felt so good.

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And I guess a big, a big initiative for me in 2025 is to, to do less and to do

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it of higher quality because I've reached the point in my life where I don't

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want to be spinning too many plates.

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Um, so this.

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I think the, the, the match here is very nice because you guys, as far

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as I understand, are really doubling down as a brand in the Bitcoin space.

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And that's no longer my intention.

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I don't want to be a brand in the Bitcoin space anymore.

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Um, in fact, I've even honestly thought about just completely nuking

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all of my socials, just wiping everything and just, you know, Forget

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about being a brand of any sort.

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Um, the challenge there is obviously would like to see the

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book, uh, continue to do its thing.

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And, you know, a, a bit of a personal brand does help with business.

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So I guess I need to decide how to use it and what to do about it.

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But yeah, I, I, to kind of finish up what you were saying as a, as

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a first step, and then we can go dig into the history a little bit.

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Um, I could not think of.

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better sort of like face or a better sort of fit for the Bitcoin times, like to, to

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take it on and to move it forward because it's got potential and it definitely

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needs to be in the world because there's another, what, 7 billion people who don't

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have Bitcoin properly or whatever it is.

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Like, that's a lot of people.

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Um, and as we all know, and this is not going to change, Bitcoin

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is going to end up, uh, yeah.

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Being used by everyone.

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That's not a, it's not an if, it's just a when.

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And along that way, people need to learn and understand about it.

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And I think this publication has the potential to really reach and impact

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a lot of people in that capacity.

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So I'll shut up there.

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But that's a bit of why for me, this is an interesting, Time in life.

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Well, thank you for your kind words and for leaving Bitcoin Times with us.

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We consider it a great honor.

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Yeah, a couple of things to unpack there.

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First, What guarantee do we have that you're not going to come back in a couple

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of weeks and say that everyone that goes offline for five days is completely

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stupid and you want to kill them?

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No guarantees.

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Sorry, Knut, there's no guarantees in

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No, no, but I think, I think, uh, like one of the things where we

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found, like, uh, how aligned we are is, is this notion of, uh, quality

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being the opposite of equality.

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I think that's like perfect.

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That's the perfect, that's the, in the middle of the Venn diagram

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between us three, I think.

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So, so we're, we're going to take over the Bitcoin times and, um,

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yeah, this is where, um, 2018, you said, you started the thing?

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2018.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So 2018, I wrote the first one and we released it in,

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um, January, I think of 2019.

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Let's go into, uh, how Bitcoin times started and where it's going.

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So let's start where, where, where it started, like in the beginning, the,

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the first issue is, uh, mostly you,

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do you actually know the story or no?

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well, we, I think we, we know, but, but maybe our listeners

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don't.

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I'll pretend I don't, yeah.

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yes, so the story so here's how it happened I'm gonna go back

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to the very very beginning.

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Um, it was 2017 and I was no, sorry wait No, it was 2018.

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2018.

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I got invited to this, uh, conference for capital raising.

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And, uh, it was, uh, it was a company called Wholesale Investor.

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They were in, uh, in, in Australia.

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They'd been around for years.

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They used to do like this magazine where people would like pitch their,

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uh, idea, for example, and the magazine would only go out to people who are

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qualified accredited investors in which in Australia is called a Wholesale Investor.

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Um, and that's how, uh, People would raise capital, right?

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Like it was one of the mechanisms and as things evolve, they ended up, you

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know, building out a website and they used to run these sort of, uh, biannual

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summits, uh, where they'd invite a bunch of companies and you'd exhibit, right?

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So I, I went, and this was in the early days of Amber when I was, uh,

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still raising money early, early stage.

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And it was right when the, um, it was right in the ICO boom.

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Every Tom, Dick and Harry was like pulling out a token for whatever.

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And, and I go to this event, this is mid 2018 and I am the only quote

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unquote crypto company there, like I'm the only Bitcoin company there.

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And there's a bunch of other companies like data science

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and B2B this and whatever.

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And every single one of those had a token.

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And I'm the only actual Bitcoin crypto related company without a token.

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And.

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It was like this wild experience.

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I was like, what fucking planet have I walked into?

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And everyone's on stage talking about their stupid token.

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So I get up on stage to give my talk.

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And, uh, my talk was about how, uh, it was something to do with like, uh,

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Crypto being the AOL of the internet, something like that, and I just basically

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took a shit all over crypto, and I blew up the notion of ICOs, and I could see

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the organizer in the back of the room, like, his face just got increasingly pale

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throughout the talk, and Basically, at the end of the talk, half the audience,

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like, claps like crazy, and the other half of the audience, like, you could

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feel like they wanted to kill me.

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And you know, I get off the stage and, you know, there's, there's, I basically

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get this alternate of, do you know how much money you just fucking cost me?

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Versus, oh my God, thank you.

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I've been sitting here all day listening to people talk and I have no idea

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what the fuck they were talking about.

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And you're the first person who made sense.

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Like that, that was like the two general responses and reactions that I got.

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And I ended up raising quite a bit of money out of that because, like,

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people came to me that were like.

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Thank you for actually, like, raising money in a, in a legitimate way.

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And anyway, the organizer comes up to me and he says, uh, You are officially

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banned from our, uh, conference.

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Um, please, uh, never come back again.

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Um, you cost all of our sponsors an incredible amount

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of money, blah, blah, blah.

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So yeah, I'm like, okay, no worries, get fucked.

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Um, six months later The same organizer messages me, and if you remember six

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months later, end of 2018, ICO bubble had burst, everything had collapsed, everyone

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lost all their money, all this sort of stuff, and he kind of sheepishly reaches

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out, he's like, oh, you know, we had some harsh words, uh, at the end of the last,

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uh, conference, blah, blah, blah, but you know what, in the end, You were right.

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And I've had so many people reach out to us, uh, requesting you to come

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back and give another talk because you saved all the money, this and that.

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And he goes, look, don't worry.

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This year there is no ICOs.

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Uh, this year it's about blockchain technology.

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I was like sitting there, I was like,

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and you want me to come and talk about blockchain technology?

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He's like, yeah, I think you're the right person for this.

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You know, you gave one of the most knowledgeable talks and everything.

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And I was like, okay.

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It's like, but this time you have to run the, the, the talk by me.

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And I was like, okay, no worries.

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So I went away and I put together this talk about how, uh, blockchain is dead.

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The future is on, uh, Lightning.

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That was the, that was the emphasis of the talk, but that's obviously

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not what I called the talk.

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I called the talk, um, the, uh, the future of blockchain is on

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lightning or something like that.

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I kind of like kept it relatively vague because these guys were

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like classic NPC midwits.

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Like, they just, they don't understand anything.

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So anyway, I go to this next conference.

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And the same thing, I tell the AV guy, I switch out the USB at the last minute,

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and I'm like, I just had some updates on my talk, puts this new talk in, get up on

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stage, and I go, so this talk was supposed to be about this, but then I swapped to

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the next thing and I go, this talk is really about the death of blockchain.

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And I see the guy in the background at the back of the room

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again, and his face goes white.

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He's like, this motherfucker did it to me again.

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And I give this whole talk about how.

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Blockchain is a total scam.

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It's a stupidity.

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It's just a bunch of buzzwords and all this stuff, all the stuff that we know.

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Right.

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But I had too much to say on the talk.

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Like there was just way too much information there.

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So I put it all into this like flyer, this pamphlet that I

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wanted to give away on the day.

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And we just called that the Bitcoin times.

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So that basically edition one is the extension of the talk that I

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gave, uh, at that conference, it was, it was the extended notes.

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And.

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That was the genesis of the Bitcoin Times.

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So that's the first issue.

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that was the first issue.

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Yeah, that was, no, no, that was, that was, that was the

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genesis of the Bitcoin times.

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So then basically that got a bunch of, that, that kind of.

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Somewhat put me on the map because I had only started using Twitter in 2018 and

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I was relatively unknown that there was, there was a prior essay that I did where

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it was a Bitcoin versus Bitcoin cash.

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That was the one that got me on the map.

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Uh, Tua Mazzucco picked it up and I had no idea who the fuck these two people

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were cause I was just the total noob on Twitter and I was like, Oh, okay, cool.

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And then all of a sudden, like I went from three followers to like And

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that's where my, my Twitter journey effectively began.

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And, um, The, the second edition was, I had basically at that point,

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um, yeah, entered the, uh, the Bitcoin community, quote unquote.

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I went to my first conference, which was in, uh, San

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Francisco, it was Bitcoin 2019.

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And that's where I, like, I met Odell there.

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I met, uh, Marty Ben.

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We did a, we did a podcast discussing the first edition, all this sort of stuff.

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And towards the end of the year, I was like, man, I should totally do

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something else with the Bitcoin times.

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I like.

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It's a cool name.

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Um, the first edition was really nicely designed.

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Everyone liked it.

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So I reached out to a couple of people who at the time were pretty much

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unknown, unless you were like really interconnected in the Bitcoin space.

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And those people were, uh, Breedlove, uh, Gigi, um, Rory Whiteside.

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If I've, I don't know if too many people know him still.

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He was like, he was one of the toxic Bitcoin maxes in, um, in, in Australia.

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Uh, Hasma Cook.

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Um, who's kind of disappeared now,

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yeah, I, I, I miss Hasma Cook.

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yeah, he was a legend, um, there was, uh, Nick Carter as well, um, before he

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kind of went a little crazy, uh, who else was there, Conor Brown, Conor was also

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disappeared as well, um, there was one more, oh, and Dan Held, yeah, fucking Dan.

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Um, so anyway, that was, uh, that was the, the first round, right?

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Uh, that was like a collective edition and it was great, man.

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Like that one, that one really did the rounds.

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And then it was the third edition.

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So the year after, which was 2020, that kind of put Bitcoin

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times properly on the map.

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So the first edition put me on the map.

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Uh, second edition was me getting integrated into the community.

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And the third edition was like the one that, uh, went really well

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because that had some massive names.

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So that was Jimmy Song.

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It was Giacomo, it was, uh, Erik Cason.

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It was Jeff Booth.

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Um, it was Parker Lewis and myself.

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So that was, uh, it was six solid, solid essays.

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So some of the best I think that have ever been in there.

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And then, yeah, the year after we did the, um, the, what was the third edition was

462
00:26:34,012 --> 00:26:38,082
called the Promethean and then the fourth edition, it's escaping me at the moment.

463
00:26:38,192 --> 00:26:40,862
Um, God damn it.

464
00:26:41,547 --> 00:26:42,297
What was the name of it?

465
00:26:42,487 --> 00:26:43,227
A New Hope.

466
00:26:43,377 --> 00:26:43,847
That's right.

467
00:26:43,957 --> 00:26:44,427
A New Hope.

468
00:26:44,437 --> 00:26:45,167
That's what it was called.

469
00:26:45,627 --> 00:26:49,397
Uh, and it was, it was the year after, obviously, like we were still right in

470
00:26:49,397 --> 00:26:53,517
the middle of all the, um, the stupidity, but I think by the end of 2021, things had

471
00:26:53,517 --> 00:26:55,277
started to kind of die down a little bit.

472
00:26:55,697 --> 00:26:59,237
And I think Brandon Quidham's best essay that he's ever written was in there.

473
00:26:59,717 --> 00:27:01,777
Um, one of, I think, sorry.

474
00:27:02,052 --> 00:27:02,332
thing?

475
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,290
Bitcoin is a pioneer species.

476
00:27:04,650 --> 00:27:04,920
So

477
00:27:05,270 --> 00:27:06,100
yeah, I

478
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,270
Uh, it's the one, isn't it?

479
00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:08,270
Yeah.

480
00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:10,520
That, that is, that is the article, right?

481
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:11,030
Like it's,

482
00:27:11,030 --> 00:27:11,840
uh, that's his, yeah.

483
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:12,050
Yeah.

484
00:27:12,050 --> 00:27:12,590
That's awesome.

485
00:27:12,705 --> 00:27:12,955
of it.

486
00:27:12,955 --> 00:27:13,155
Yeah.

487
00:27:13,155 --> 00:27:14,185
Bitcoin is a pioneer species.

488
00:27:14,185 --> 00:27:14,265
Yeah.

489
00:27:14,405 --> 00:27:15,525
Fantastic essay.

490
00:27:16,195 --> 00:27:17,535
Um, so there was that.

491
00:27:17,535 --> 00:27:19,155
I think one of my better ones as well.

492
00:27:19,175 --> 00:27:21,335
The fire Bitcoin teleportation is in there.

493
00:27:21,815 --> 00:27:25,365
Then there's a couple of pieces from who else?

494
00:27:25,485 --> 00:27:26,535
Peter Sinanji.

495
00:27:26,882 --> 00:27:27,272
Oh yeah,

496
00:27:27,442 --> 00:27:28,252
Tomer was in there.

497
00:27:29,032 --> 00:27:31,752
Peter Santongi wasn't that big back then, was

498
00:27:31,842 --> 00:27:32,442
He was not.

499
00:27:32,462 --> 00:27:32,962
He was not.

500
00:27:32,972 --> 00:27:33,442
Exactly.

501
00:27:33,442 --> 00:27:33,672
Yeah.

502
00:27:33,672 --> 00:27:38,842
So like Bitcoin times, like it had people before they took off basically.

503
00:27:39,062 --> 00:27:42,462
Um, and it was, uh, yeah, it was, it was, it was really good.

504
00:27:42,462 --> 00:27:46,497
And then obviously number five was the, was the Austrian edition.

505
00:27:46,497 --> 00:27:50,557
It was the first one that had a really good, like, cohesive theme, right?

506
00:27:50,897 --> 00:27:55,537
And that was Seyfriedin, Pierre, it was Bittstein's first essay

507
00:27:55,547 --> 00:27:59,117
back after being off for like, three years or whatever it was.

508
00:28:00,397 --> 00:28:03,977
Um, Conrad Graf, who wrote an excellent piece, and,

509
00:28:04,685 --> 00:28:07,785
both those are so underrated, like Biststein and Conrad

510
00:28:07,785 --> 00:28:08,735
Graf, they're, they're

511
00:28:09,290 --> 00:28:09,980
very much so,

512
00:28:10,035 --> 00:28:11,125
criminally underrated.

513
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:12,010
very much so.

514
00:28:12,180 --> 00:28:14,430
Um, and Rahim as well, um,

515
00:28:14,475 --> 00:28:16,355
Another criminally underrated guy.

516
00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:17,850
Absolute genius.

517
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,120
And yeah, me and Rahim actually, his, his piece was great because he's like,

518
00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:29,200
goddammit, like, if there's a guy who is, like, truly a, an encyclopedia on Austrian

519
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,960
economics and Austrian history and all that sort of stuff, he's the guy, like,

520
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,520
holy shit, like, he's so knowledgeable.

521
00:28:35,005 --> 00:28:40,625
I, like, here's someone I sit down with and just like talk about just any, asking

522
00:28:40,645 --> 00:28:45,535
any random question to do with like these kind of topics and he like, he's

523
00:28:45,535 --> 00:28:46,665
read a book on it, he knows about it.

524
00:28:46,665 --> 00:28:47,005
I'm like, what the

525
00:28:47,195 --> 00:28:50,825
No, the, the, I, I view him as the heir to the throne, like it's, uh,

526
00:28:50,865 --> 00:28:55,935
Mises, Rothbard, even if you go further back, it's, like, Menger, Mises,

527
00:28:56,505 --> 00:29:01,515
Rothbard, or Böhmerberg, Menger, Mises, Rothbard, Hoppe, and then Rahim.

528
00:29:02,015 --> 00:29:02,435
Like,

529
00:29:02,515 --> 00:29:03,125
well, yeah.

530
00:29:03,345 --> 00:29:06,195
He's, uh, yeah, he's um, super knowledgeable.

531
00:29:06,195 --> 00:29:09,865
So that was number five and he, his piece was great and they actually did more

532
00:29:09,865 --> 00:29:14,450
of a historic look at, uh, The Austrian tradition and how it came to be, and

533
00:29:14,450 --> 00:29:15,970
that was, that was really educational.

534
00:29:15,970 --> 00:29:19,680
Like I love reading the pieces that genuinely teach me something new and

535
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,060
that was a standout for me, for sure.

536
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:25,000
And then, yeah, the energy edition was, um, Wait, was that

537
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,130
last year or the year before?

538
00:29:27,780 --> 00:29:28,250
God help me.

539
00:29:28,250 --> 00:29:31,610
I'm, I've lost my, lost count of the years now.

540
00:29:31,610 --> 00:29:35,800
I, I think it was, I think it was the year before that it was supposed to

541
00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:37,560
come out, but there was delays with it.

542
00:29:38,110 --> 00:29:40,790
Uh, and I think it came out 2024 actually.

543
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,880
So the Energy Edition, Marty Bent, Brian Gitt.

544
00:29:45,540 --> 00:29:47,310
Andrew from Satoshi Energy.

545
00:29:48,057 --> 00:29:51,647
Uh, there was a excellent piece in there from, um, the guy who

546
00:29:51,647 --> 00:29:53,507
runs Toya, uh, what's his name?

547
00:29:53,597 --> 00:29:56,977
Um, he's in the, he's in the Bitcoin mining space.

548
00:29:56,977 --> 00:30:00,487
He's, he, he comes from like a family of wildcatters and like, he wrote this

549
00:30:00,487 --> 00:30:05,007
piece about like, uh, basically energy, abundance and the limiting factor of.

550
00:30:05,582 --> 00:30:10,172
Uh, human civilization economics just being ingenuity more than anything else.

551
00:30:10,172 --> 00:30:15,442
Like the, he pulled it from Julian Simon, who's like this economics

552
00:30:15,442 --> 00:30:17,212
slash physicist, very interesting guy.

553
00:30:17,212 --> 00:30:18,142
I'd never heard of him before.

554
00:30:18,142 --> 00:30:21,362
And his whole argument is that we don't run out of atoms.

555
00:30:21,492 --> 00:30:22,772
Like the atoms are there.

556
00:30:22,782 --> 00:30:27,392
What we are short on at any particular point in time is the ingenuity.

557
00:30:27,872 --> 00:30:33,412
And the capacity to extract or harvest the energy from those atoms or

558
00:30:33,412 --> 00:30:34,842
those materials or those substances.

559
00:30:34,842 --> 00:30:36,372
That's the only real limiting factor.

560
00:30:36,862 --> 00:30:39,942
Um, so, so that was a very, very, very interesting piece.

561
00:30:40,002 --> 00:30:42,442
Um, and yeah, that brings us to now.

562
00:30:42,482 --> 00:30:45,702
So that was, uh, the, the 7, sorry, the 6.

563
00:30:46,107 --> 00:30:49,167
Original editions and a bit of an overview of the history of the

564
00:30:49,167 --> 00:30:55,297
Bitcoin time started as a troll and ended in, uh, in a, in a worthy

565
00:30:55,297 --> 00:30:57,077
application, uh, sorry, publication.

566
00:30:57,595 --> 00:30:58,645
no, it's fantastic.

567
00:30:58,645 --> 00:31:04,095
And I remember like, I, I think we've met in, I mean, first time we met in real

568
00:31:04,105 --> 00:31:07,235
life was in Mexico, I believe, uh, in 21

569
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,040
Yeah, yeah, I think so.

570
00:31:09,205 --> 00:31:12,165
and, and after that in Miami in 22.

571
00:31:12,445 --> 00:31:17,225
Um, and that's where you, that's where you brought the, where you showed me the

572
00:31:17,225 --> 00:31:18,725
Bitcoin times for the first time, I think.

573
00:31:18,770 --> 00:31:20,010
Mm hmm, mm hmm, mm

574
00:31:20,250 --> 00:31:20,830
and you have, and

575
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,930
we had talks back and forth, uh, a couple of times after that of, uh,

576
00:31:25,930 --> 00:31:29,350
if I'm going to contribute something to the magazine and here we are, like

577
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:34,240
taking over the whole thing, , it's just, uh, it's just, just surreal.

578
00:31:34,330 --> 00:31:40,840
Um, but yeah, we're, we intend to take it in to keep, keep the tradition up and,

579
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:46,690
uh, to, to keep, keep them themed and, and, uh, this high quality we really want.

580
00:31:46,750 --> 00:31:52,913
The, top-notch brand Bitcoin essays in, in Bitcoin is, and it's, which

581
00:31:52,913 --> 00:31:56,933
sounds like the, a tough thing to do, but there's, there's one a year

582
00:31:57,863 --> 00:31:58,113
Yeah.

583
00:31:58,523 --> 00:32:01,943
So, so, so you really get, you, you really have time to, to talk

584
00:32:01,943 --> 00:32:05,423
people into doing it and picking the right ones for the right issue.

585
00:32:05,843 --> 00:32:07,583
So yeah, looking forward to the.

586
00:32:08,063 --> 00:32:10,333
Taking, taking the helm of the ship.

587
00:32:10,353 --> 00:32:13,863
It's really Luke taking the helm of the ship though, uh, isn't it Luke?

588
00:32:14,340 --> 00:32:19,470
Uh, yeah, I mean in, in, in terms of, uh, our organization for this, maybe

589
00:32:19,470 --> 00:32:23,510
a little bit behind the curtain of our, of our enterprise generally, is

590
00:32:23,510 --> 00:32:26,480
that everything that we're doing kind of on the, the publishing side is,

591
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,310
is, uh, I'm, I'm kind of taking the.

592
00:32:29,915 --> 00:32:36,005
But I also, I really like this project, and yeah, I think since we discussed

593
00:32:36,585 --> 00:32:42,255
taking this on, I've always had a lot of interest in being involved with it, and

594
00:32:42,315 --> 00:32:49,595
that, yeah, it would be great to be able to take this thing forward and really,

595
00:32:49,605 --> 00:32:56,295
really help to build out and amplify the voices that we work with in the space.

596
00:32:56,295 --> 00:33:01,190
I mean, this is, in a lot of ways, this is sort of Tying together

597
00:33:01,190 --> 00:33:04,130
everything that we're doing with, with podcasting, which in a lot of

598
00:33:04,130 --> 00:33:08,670
ways for, for anyone listening, it, it, the, the biggest benefit I think

599
00:33:08,670 --> 00:33:12,130
of, of doing this generally and, and listening to all the voices in the

600
00:33:12,130 --> 00:33:15,950
space is just getting to know everyone and, and who's doing what and who's,

601
00:33:15,970 --> 00:33:20,180
who's saying something important and really figuring that out, you know,

602
00:33:20,180 --> 00:33:24,350
and, uh, I, I feel really privileged to get to, to do this all the time.

603
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:30,680
And then when moving into the book publishing side and I think this

604
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,270
was actually even the first thing we even talked about with this was that

605
00:33:35,030 --> 00:33:38,890
paperback editions of the Bitcoin Times was ready and let's bookmark this as

606
00:33:38,890 --> 00:33:45,065
far as like all the different formats of Bitcoin Times, but, but, um, To

607
00:33:45,065 --> 00:33:51,505
get paperbacks out, basically, was one of the goals of the thing, and we've

608
00:33:51,505 --> 00:33:58,505
been figuring out how to get all of Knut's books out in a good, proper

609
00:33:58,665 --> 00:34:01,725
fashion, better than self publishing.

610
00:34:02,735 --> 00:34:06,435
That's at least what we try to be, is better than self publish.

611
00:34:06,855 --> 00:34:09,645
But, um, I'm coming to a point, I promise.

612
00:34:09,935 --> 00:34:15,830
Um, the, the, the main thing is that, that through, through this Through Bitcoin

613
00:34:15,850 --> 00:34:21,540
Times now, what my hope is, is that, uh, we can, we can also bring together

614
00:34:21,540 --> 00:34:27,130
all the people that we're, we're talking to and, and hey, these are the, the

615
00:34:27,170 --> 00:34:33,170
issues of the day, uh, and, and get them into, uh, a format that is timeless.

616
00:34:33,410 --> 00:34:38,400
The, the first edition really does feel like a snapshot of that point in time.

617
00:34:38,780 --> 00:34:39,420
And, and.

618
00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:40,280
it really was.

619
00:34:40,930 --> 00:34:44,530
Yeah, and reading those articles, it's like, like, this is, this is, this is

620
00:34:44,530 --> 00:34:48,290
important, this is part of history, and this is, this is, this is something that,

621
00:34:48,340 --> 00:34:55,250
that, uh, anyone can, can look at into the future at what this, this era was, and,

622
00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:58,580
and even going, going further into the, into the further issues, it's, it's like,

623
00:34:59,010 --> 00:35:02,630
what's important at the time, and, and, and bringing this forward in the future,

624
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:06,220
so yeah, I'm, I'm, I guess this is all just to say I'm really excited about this,

625
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,570
You said a key word there, history, and this is something I wanted for the Bitcoin

626
00:35:10,570 --> 00:35:16,660
Times from the beginning, is that I chose to do one edition a year, and the original

627
00:35:16,660 --> 00:35:22,060
vision, and I mean, this might change, and we can discuss this as we go, but the idea

628
00:35:22,060 --> 00:35:27,155
was to do 21 editions over 21 years, and to sort of make it, A piece of history.

629
00:35:27,155 --> 00:35:31,455
And I like the idea of starting something with like a set end goal.

630
00:35:31,625 --> 00:35:34,885
Um, you know, maybe Satoshi seemed to like the same thing, you know, wanting

631
00:35:34,885 --> 00:35:38,985
to just end the money in 2140, but I think it's, it's a, there's something

632
00:35:38,985 --> 00:35:42,505
to be said about that and not this sort of like perpetual have to, you

633
00:35:42,505 --> 00:35:44,345
know, work and build something forever.

634
00:35:44,385 --> 00:35:44,635
Right?

635
00:35:44,635 --> 00:35:48,165
Like, sure, it could be something that has ends up, you know, with

636
00:35:48,165 --> 00:35:51,055
a hundred additions and, you know, we pass it to our kids or whatever.

637
00:35:51,055 --> 00:35:55,440
But, but I think this sort of idea of, you know, 21 additions over 21 years

638
00:35:55,450 --> 00:36:01,140
during a period of the most formative time for Bitcoin, I think is very powerful.

639
00:36:01,470 --> 00:36:07,930
And the fact that there's a paperback, which is accessible to anybody, uh, and a

640
00:36:07,950 --> 00:36:10,190
collectible, which is limited in nature.

641
00:36:10,743 --> 00:36:13,813
gives it a, gives it a special feel, right?

642
00:36:13,823 --> 00:36:18,358
It's people who discover the Bitcoin times for the first time in edition 14

643
00:36:18,358 --> 00:36:23,663
or 15, for example, will be like, damn, I want this collectible, and now I want

644
00:36:23,663 --> 00:36:27,783
the prior collectibles, and I'm going to go and grab all those prior collectibles

645
00:36:27,783 --> 00:36:29,503
so that I have the whole set, right?

646
00:36:29,833 --> 00:36:32,773
And they'll know that that set is one of 2100.

647
00:36:33,293 --> 00:36:35,583
They'll never be, Uh, more than that many.

648
00:36:35,653 --> 00:36:39,643
And I can't give you the same guarantee as Bitcoin can.

649
00:36:40,513 --> 00:36:45,913
Um, but it's, yeah, there's a high, like, these are collectibles.

650
00:36:45,913 --> 00:36:49,833
And I guess you'll have to trust us, uh, in the, in the process of producing that.

651
00:36:49,843 --> 00:36:52,403
So yeah, I don't, I don't think people do.

652
00:36:53,043 --> 00:36:54,723
Stuff like that.

653
00:36:55,743 --> 00:36:59,513
I shouldn't say anymore, but it's, uh, it's far more rare.

654
00:36:59,633 --> 00:37:03,623
There's the, the, we spoke about quality and equality earlier.

655
00:37:04,063 --> 00:37:06,443
Um, there's also quality and quantity, right?

656
00:37:06,473 --> 00:37:08,883
And they're usually inversely related.

657
00:37:09,113 --> 00:37:15,683
Um, you know, you, if you increase the quantity of the money, infinitely, you

658
00:37:15,803 --> 00:37:17,763
infinitely decrease the quality of it.

659
00:37:17,863 --> 00:37:20,503
And so these things are somewhat related.

660
00:37:20,503 --> 00:37:21,903
So anyway, that's.

661
00:37:22,888 --> 00:37:26,928
When you said history, that just reminded me of that is like, I hope this is

662
00:37:26,928 --> 00:37:31,188
something that people 50, 100 years from now look back on and be like, oh, these

663
00:37:31,188 --> 00:37:37,648
crazy bastards, you know, put together these 21 editions and each one, the older

664
00:37:37,648 --> 00:37:43,288
it was, the more fantastic it sounded at the time, but each year proved them right,

665
00:37:43,328 --> 00:37:48,188
not only again and again, but decades from now, they were proven right looking

666
00:37:48,188 --> 00:37:50,508
back at these, uh, essays and issues.

667
00:37:50,903 --> 00:37:51,733
So I think it's really cool.

668
00:37:52,067 --> 00:37:56,177
The thing that comes to mind for me here is, uh, uh, similar but

669
00:37:56,187 --> 00:38:00,197
yet different magazine and that is Citadel 21, which is Hodlonaut's

670
00:38:00,257 --> 00:38:02,067
project, uh, uh, remember that?

671
00:38:02,067 --> 00:38:08,017
He, uh, he also, you have to trust his word, but, uh, there's a thousand

672
00:38:08,047 --> 00:38:12,787
copies of each edition of that, but that came out like, uh, every two months,

673
00:38:12,787 --> 00:38:15,477
I believe, for, or maybe once a month?

674
00:38:15,557 --> 00:38:15,897
I don't remember.

675
00:38:16,107 --> 00:38:16,367
Yeah.

676
00:38:16,367 --> 00:38:16,627
I think

677
00:38:16,637 --> 00:38:16,827
think

678
00:38:16,867 --> 00:38:17,577
it was monthly,

679
00:38:17,857 --> 00:38:18,087
yeah,

680
00:38:18,727 --> 00:38:21,437
either monthly or every two months, I think it might have been every two

681
00:38:21,437 --> 00:38:25,837
months in the beginning and then monthly later on, but he only made 21 editions

682
00:38:25,847 --> 00:38:31,177
of it, and that was really cool, some of my, uh, best performing articles

683
00:38:31,177 --> 00:38:35,087
ever were in that magazine, and I had a lot of them in there, so like

684
00:38:35,097 --> 00:38:42,127
that's my experience with working with a magazine, uh, and in Bitcoin, uh,

685
00:38:42,237 --> 00:38:44,617
before, and there are similarities, yeah.

686
00:38:44,657 --> 00:38:47,257
he, he nailed it with that.

687
00:38:47,257 --> 00:38:49,797
And, and I mean, when I saw that he was doing one a month, I was

688
00:38:49,797 --> 00:38:51,017
like, this guy's fucking crazy.

689
00:38:51,057 --> 00:38:52,397
I was like, there's no chance.

690
00:38:52,447 --> 00:38:52,727
Like

691
00:38:53,107 --> 00:38:55,987
the amount of effort that went into doing one a year for me was too much.

692
00:38:56,027 --> 00:38:57,967
And I was like, one a month, that's nuts.

693
00:38:57,967 --> 00:39:00,707
But yeah, it's a mammoth of an effort.

694
00:40:28,638 --> 00:40:32,088
So, so let me ask you guys then considering, uh, you'll be taking this

695
00:40:32,088 --> 00:40:34,278
over and, uh, and, and driving it.

696
00:40:34,718 --> 00:40:35,398
What's.

697
00:40:36,263 --> 00:40:39,253
What's the plans for 2025 and what's the plans for beyond that?

698
00:40:39,263 --> 00:40:42,123
Maybe I should throw this to Luke actually, since

699
00:40:42,123 --> 00:40:43,673
he's going to be driving the

700
00:40:44,210 --> 00:40:44,460
train.

701
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:44,950
clever,

702
00:40:45,076 --> 00:40:45,846
Yeah, totally.

703
00:40:45,846 --> 00:40:51,486
So, so, yeah, the, the plan here is, first of all, we want to get collectible

704
00:40:51,506 --> 00:40:53,796
editions out for issues one and two.

705
00:40:54,226 --> 00:40:58,356
They never had a print release, so, or at least a print release

706
00:40:58,356 --> 00:40:59,976
in the collectible format.

707
00:41:00,026 --> 00:41:04,186
And so we want to fix that and get those out into the world.

708
00:41:04,706 --> 00:41:09,386
It's content here and it's, it's, Completing everyone's collections.

709
00:41:09,406 --> 00:41:12,106
So basically that's, that's the first priority.

710
00:41:12,366 --> 00:41:17,116
We're going to have pre orders for these out on Geyser fairly soon here.

711
00:41:17,486 --> 00:41:21,626
And, uh, yeah, that's, that's our first action is to complete those.

712
00:41:21,896 --> 00:41:24,856
The, the second thing that we're doing somewhat in parallel is releasing

713
00:41:24,856 --> 00:41:29,596
paperback editions for all of the first six issues of the Bitcoin Times.

714
00:41:29,926 --> 00:41:33,216
So this was what I was getting at in terms of, of, of format.

715
00:41:33,636 --> 00:41:37,626
was that there's these collectible editions, 2, 100 of them, period.

716
00:41:38,216 --> 00:41:43,116
And those have a higher price, um, obviously because they're scarce.

717
00:41:43,606 --> 00:41:49,246
But accessibility has been an important theme, and this is in all of the

718
00:41:49,276 --> 00:41:51,976
issues, or at least it's in all of the paperback issues as they were

719
00:41:51,976 --> 00:41:55,516
drafted, is what are all of the formats.

720
00:41:55,516 --> 00:42:00,066
And first of all, the essays are freely available on bitcointimes.

721
00:42:00,067 --> 00:42:02,566
io, so it's not like the information isn't free.

722
00:42:02,596 --> 00:42:02,936
It's.

723
00:42:03,316 --> 00:42:06,206
That's the, that's the purpose is to get the information out there.

724
00:42:06,726 --> 00:42:10,426
Then also, the paperback editions are meant to be for those who

725
00:42:10,426 --> 00:42:11,966
want to have a physical copy.

726
00:42:12,236 --> 00:42:14,916
But, you know, the collectible edition, maybe, maybe you're not quite

727
00:42:14,916 --> 00:42:18,316
there in terms of buying something a little more expensive, right?

728
00:42:18,686 --> 00:42:22,336
So, so the paperback is there to be more accessible for that.

729
00:42:22,706 --> 00:42:26,891
And, and I mean, the thing about this is that it's, it's anthologies

730
00:42:26,941 --> 00:42:29,881
of articles on related topics.

731
00:42:29,891 --> 00:42:34,711
So, really, they are, they're books that, that are just collections of essays as

732
00:42:34,711 --> 00:42:39,351
opposed to one author, um, um, writing an entire book on, on the topic, but

733
00:42:39,351 --> 00:42:43,691
it's, it's a, a really good way to, to dig into one of these specific topics,

734
00:42:43,691 --> 00:42:47,501
and that's, that's something we certainly plan to continue is keep this Theme,

735
00:42:47,861 --> 00:42:52,331
um, going, maybe we'll revisit some, some past themes in, in, in some way.

736
00:42:52,331 --> 00:42:55,981
But ev every one of the editions will have have its own take or

737
00:42:55,981 --> 00:42:58,021
spin or, or central concept.

738
00:42:58,431 --> 00:43:00,801
So the, the paperback editions are all just about ready.

739
00:43:00,801 --> 00:43:03,651
These will all definitely be released within 2025, even

740
00:43:03,711 --> 00:43:05,241
maybe first half of 2025.

741
00:43:05,241 --> 00:43:06,021
I don't wanna promise.

742
00:43:06,021 --> 00:43:08,651
But yeah, these are all basically ready to go here.

743
00:43:09,256 --> 00:43:11,076
And so those are happening in parallel.

744
00:43:11,076 --> 00:43:17,166
The reissue, so to say, of issues one and two, or at least the launch of

745
00:43:17,166 --> 00:43:24,066
the collectible edition, and then the paperback launch editions one to six.

746
00:43:24,656 --> 00:43:28,706
And then finally, we've been working on edition number seven.

747
00:43:28,726 --> 00:43:34,216
So after basically the energy issue coming out last year, now we want

748
00:43:34,216 --> 00:43:37,526
to get another edition out in 2025.

749
00:43:37,761 --> 00:43:40,281
So that's, uh, that's 100 percent the goal.

750
00:43:40,631 --> 00:43:44,641
The macro edition is the, is the, uh, working title for that.

751
00:43:44,641 --> 00:43:46,351
I think that's probably going to stick.

752
00:43:46,721 --> 00:43:50,951
Uh, so yeah, basically we're, uh, we're, uh, coming at this from,

753
00:43:50,951 --> 00:43:52,291
from three different fronts here.

754
00:43:52,291 --> 00:43:56,471
I think, uh, second half of, of 2025 is, is what we're looking at for,

755
00:43:56,472 --> 00:43:58,926
uh, Uh, for edition number seven,

756
00:43:59,551 --> 00:44:05,131
Yeah, let's talk a little bit about the macro edition, because I think

757
00:44:05,141 --> 00:44:06,371
people need to get excited about that.

758
00:44:06,381 --> 00:44:10,121
So, I originally had a lineup.

759
00:44:10,423 --> 00:44:12,923
So we had Lynn Alden, uh, on the lineup.

760
00:44:13,476 --> 00:44:13,986
Jeff Booth.

761
00:44:14,541 --> 00:44:18,491
Uh, making, he's, I think he will be the first person making a second appearance.

762
00:44:18,961 --> 00:44:21,731
Um, now, not confirmed whether Jeff is going to write a piece or if

763
00:44:21,731 --> 00:44:22,991
he's going to write the foreword.

764
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,590
we had a maybe from Preston Pysh.

765
00:44:27,110 --> 00:44:30,288
Um, we had, uh, What's his name?

766
00:44:30,288 --> 00:44:36,110
Dylan Leclerc, James Lavish said yes as well, and uh, Larry

767
00:44:36,110 --> 00:44:38,020
Lepard, that's who I remember.

768
00:44:38,030 --> 00:44:39,830
So that's the, that's the lineup.

769
00:44:39,830 --> 00:44:43,195
So it's a, it's a stellar lineup, there's a couple in there, a couple

770
00:44:43,195 --> 00:44:44,635
of names in there yet to be confirmed.

771
00:44:44,635 --> 00:44:50,115
So if anyone has, if anyone's listening to this and has, uh, some suggestions, if

772
00:44:50,115 --> 00:44:51,415
we're missing anyone, please let us know.

773
00:44:51,416 --> 00:44:52,885
But that's, that's who I've got.

774
00:44:53,594 --> 00:44:54,994
fantastic line up.

775
00:44:55,204 --> 00:44:55,494
Yeah.

776
00:44:56,255 --> 00:44:57,045
Yeah, exactly.

777
00:44:57,045 --> 00:44:59,685
And so I mean, I think, I think the thing is everything we can

778
00:44:59,685 --> 00:45:01,325
expect from from those names.

779
00:45:01,325 --> 00:45:06,965
And I mean, the the idea of macro, I think is, is, it's important

780
00:45:06,965 --> 00:45:10,505
from the perspective of that, that what's going on in the world

781
00:45:10,505 --> 00:45:11,745
affects everything with Bitcoin.

782
00:45:11,745 --> 00:45:15,425
And we all kind of are driving towards this number go up thing.

783
00:45:15,515 --> 00:45:20,545
And there are factors outside of Bitcoin that That are, are affecting

784
00:45:20,545 --> 00:45:22,665
how this journey is going to play out.

785
00:45:22,665 --> 00:45:27,425
And so there, there are great people in the space who, who know this stuff, who

786
00:45:27,425 --> 00:45:32,545
know about markets, traditional markets and, and things that, that maybe people

787
00:45:32,545 --> 00:45:36,845
who are deep into the Bitcoin space don't understand or don't really pay

788
00:45:36,845 --> 00:45:38,955
attention to, to these external things.

789
00:45:38,955 --> 00:45:43,280
And so, uh, yeah, I, I think of the, the macro angle as the

790
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,180
closest thing to a crystal ball on.

791
00:45:46,660 --> 00:45:49,050
Looking into a crystal ball on how Bitcoin is going to play

792
00:45:49,050 --> 00:45:50,260
out over the next few years.

793
00:45:50,580 --> 00:45:53,580
And then you can sort of understand that you might need

794
00:45:53,580 --> 00:45:55,120
to throw away 90 percent of it.

795
00:45:55,590 --> 00:45:58,570
But, because it's just going to do whatever it does.

796
00:45:58,580 --> 00:46:02,250
But having some, having some understanding, and all of these, all of

797
00:46:02,250 --> 00:46:05,100
these names are incredibly bullish people.

798
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:10,590
Having spoken to them, I think actually all of them on this topic.

799
00:46:11,865 --> 00:46:15,375
So, anyway, everyone, everyone on that, that list is incredibly bullish,

800
00:46:15,385 --> 00:46:19,895
right, and hearing explanations of why from people who understand this stuff,

801
00:46:19,895 --> 00:46:25,365
I think is one of the, the best ways of convincing people who are, who are

802
00:46:25,525 --> 00:46:27,935
more tied into the traditional system.

803
00:46:27,935 --> 00:46:28,015
for listening.

804
00:46:28,515 --> 00:46:29,515
And this is important, right?

805
00:46:29,515 --> 00:46:32,045
Because we need adoption from every angle.

806
00:46:32,415 --> 00:46:36,115
And, I mean, I don't really care what your opinion is of people

807
00:46:36,115 --> 00:46:39,205
who are, who have wealth in the traditional financial system.

808
00:46:39,445 --> 00:46:41,125
Speaking to hypothetical listener X.

809
00:46:41,435 --> 00:46:42,785
Uh, probably, well, whatever.

810
00:46:42,975 --> 00:46:48,605
But, but, um, the, uh, the, the main thing is, is people with capital

811
00:46:48,705 --> 00:46:50,045
are important to have in Bitcoin.

812
00:46:50,655 --> 00:46:55,865
No matter what, and these voices are some of the best who know how to talk

813
00:46:55,885 --> 00:47:00,655
to people with capital who may be interested in Bitcoin as a whole, so

814
00:47:00,815 --> 00:47:05,565
I think the macro edition is perfectly timed right now with the rise of EFs,

815
00:47:05,585 --> 00:47:10,935
with the rise of, um, what was the word that Corey used for, he's starting to

816
00:47:10,935 --> 00:47:12,395
use it on Twitter all the time for these

817
00:47:12,395 --> 00:47:14,495
micro strategy clones, uh,

818
00:47:14,785 --> 00:47:16,285
Yeah, that was a good word.

819
00:47:16,535 --> 00:47:17,495
It was a good word.

820
00:47:17,495 --> 00:47:18,865
He's used it on Twitter a bunch.

821
00:47:18,865 --> 00:47:23,765
But anyway, with the rise of all of these, these, um, sort of Bitcoin derivative

822
00:47:23,765 --> 00:47:28,245
instruments, it's, it's a really great time to be talking about this stuff.

823
00:47:28,245 --> 00:47:31,275
So I'm, I'm excited for the macro edition for, for what it can

824
00:47:31,585 --> 00:47:33,595
bring to the discourse in 2025.

825
00:47:34,546 --> 00:47:36,696
LBEs, right?

826
00:47:37,024 --> 00:47:39,314
Well, what is, what is it, what does that stand for though?

827
00:47:40,654 --> 00:47:47,134
Bitcoin, uh, equity, something, L something, Bitcoin equity.

828
00:47:47,674 --> 00:47:49,364
Ah, I wish I remembered this.

829
00:47:49,389 --> 00:47:52,229
right, right, right, like leveraged Bitcoin equities, Leveraged,

830
00:47:52,514 --> 00:47:53,944
leveraged Bitcoin equities,

831
00:47:53,999 --> 00:47:58,449
as in, as in, like, the stocks leverage themselves to buy more, and then, and

832
00:47:58,449 --> 00:48:02,089
then if you buy the stock, then you're buying basically leveraged Bitcoin long.

833
00:48:02,819 --> 00:48:03,879
Interesting, right?

834
00:48:03,959 --> 00:48:04,289
So,

835
00:48:04,669 --> 00:48:08,489
uh, we have a, we have a pod coming out with Corey Clipston, uh, on this topic.

836
00:48:08,539 --> 00:48:12,619
Uh, I'm going to guess, actually, it's going to be out after this, this episode.

837
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,589
Um, but we've talked to him before.

838
00:48:15,649 --> 00:48:16,649
We've already talked to him.

839
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:22,479
Let's see, anyway, so, looking at, looking to the future, yeah, like, the, the

840
00:48:22,479 --> 00:48:28,159
main thing, the main thing here is, is collecting Having a finger on the pulse of

841
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:30,119
what's important in the Bitcoin ecosystem.

842
00:48:30,339 --> 00:48:35,299
And, and, um, so we're going to be looking at that through 2025.

843
00:48:35,309 --> 00:48:38,989
What are the, what are the themes that are coming up the most?

844
00:48:38,989 --> 00:48:43,299
I mean, think about creating something timeless and a historical snapshot.

845
00:48:43,669 --> 00:48:50,169
From my perspective, the main thing here is to not Um, not be too behind, right,

846
00:48:50,169 --> 00:48:53,529
we don't want to date ourselves, we don't want to lock ourselves into, this is

847
00:48:53,529 --> 00:48:58,659
definitely from exactly this, this moment in history, and it's not necessarily

848
00:48:58,659 --> 00:49:03,959
relevant, um, five years down the road, something like that, but, but at the

849
00:49:03,959 --> 00:49:10,919
same time, having, Something that is actually relevant to the current moment

850
00:49:10,969 --> 00:49:13,329
and to not let that slip by, basically.

851
00:49:13,649 --> 00:49:17,819
So, thinking about the themes that are important at the moment, and

852
00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:22,759
maybe it does look like the political angle might be getting a little bit

853
00:49:22,759 --> 00:49:27,489
more prominent these days, nation state adoption and the implications

854
00:49:27,489 --> 00:49:29,669
there, government involvement.

855
00:49:30,404 --> 00:49:33,884
And, and then there's all sorts of technical things, like maybe there's

856
00:49:33,884 --> 00:49:38,884
a, maybe there's a, uh, a layer two follow up, um, to, to be done here now

857
00:49:38,884 --> 00:49:42,804
that there is more than just lightning going on here in the space, right?

858
00:49:43,554 --> 00:49:49,829
So, so we, we can basically Cycle through these, these larger categories, right?

859
00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:55,709
Um, I've always liked Gigi's framing of, of, um, Bitcoin

860
00:49:55,729 --> 00:49:57,569
has these three sides to it.

861
00:49:57,579 --> 00:50:01,739
The technological side, the financial side, and the philosophical side.

862
00:50:02,019 --> 00:50:05,479
Uh, that, that, that framing from 21 Lessons has always,

863
00:50:05,479 --> 00:50:06,549
has always stuck with me.

864
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:12,319
Um, so, so I kind of would like to, to cycle through those, those three to a

865
00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:16,749
certain extent and, and hit on something that is, is big from each of those

866
00:50:16,749 --> 00:50:19,229
three areas as, as we go through time.

867
00:50:19,409 --> 00:50:23,719
Not necessarily sticking to that rigidly, but, but, uh, I, I think there's always

868
00:50:23,729 --> 00:50:25,374
something to draw inspiration from.

869
00:50:27,414 --> 00:50:31,054
So I see that being a trend as we move this forward.

870
00:50:31,334 --> 00:50:32,154
What do you think of that, Ale

871
00:50:32,724 --> 00:50:33,474
Yeah, I think that's great.

872
00:50:33,474 --> 00:50:38,114
I think I'd also like to see, uh, Knut's favorite topic, like a theology edition.

873
00:50:39,054 --> 00:50:39,774
Absolutely.

874
00:50:39,814 --> 00:50:40,414
Why not?

875
00:50:41,314 --> 00:50:41,384
I

876
00:50:41,444 --> 00:50:41,774
be great.

877
00:50:42,484 --> 00:50:47,349
that's one of the areas where I've, uh, You know, it changed my mind most,

878
00:50:47,699 --> 00:50:54,679
mostly, uh, over, over the years, uh, like I, I, I still have no belief in

879
00:50:54,679 --> 00:51:00,059
invisible friends, but I have a belief in people who believe in, uh, uh, invisible

880
00:51:00,059 --> 00:51:05,675
friends that has increased, uh, let's just say that, uh, and I, I think like

881
00:51:05,675 --> 00:51:09,224
if, um, if I have a vision for this, it's, it's to find the invisible friend.

882
00:51:09,734 --> 00:51:14,854
Topics that are relevant for that year, but content that is completely timeless.

883
00:51:14,884 --> 00:51:18,374
Like, that's the thing, we don't want to be a news outlet.

884
00:51:18,454 --> 00:51:21,644
Like, we want this to be a standard test of time.

885
00:51:21,684 --> 00:51:23,074
And that's really hard.

886
00:51:23,124 --> 00:51:26,794
Like, it's hard to not be dated.

887
00:51:26,954 --> 00:51:28,804
Um, but yeah.

888
00:51:28,854 --> 00:51:32,764
And I want, I want, like, with all my writings, I want this thing as well

889
00:51:32,784 --> 00:51:34,614
to provoke thought in the reader.

890
00:51:34,664 --> 00:51:35,744
Like, that's what you want.

891
00:51:35,754 --> 00:51:37,524
You want the reader to start thinking.

892
00:51:39,289 --> 00:51:41,629
Stop, baa, baa, baa, and just

893
00:51:43,769 --> 00:51:44,989
come to their own conclusions.

894
00:51:45,934 --> 00:51:50,334
So, yeah, I think this, um, should give a picture here.

895
00:51:50,334 --> 00:51:57,579
This, uh, uh, this new project, Of ours, us taking this on, um, you

896
00:51:57,579 --> 00:52:02,599
know, I'm thrilled for it, excited to be taking this in the future.

897
00:52:02,829 --> 00:52:08,929
You're obviously going to still be involved a fair bit, but we're taking

898
00:52:08,929 --> 00:52:10,819
over the day to day, so to say.

899
00:52:11,089 --> 00:52:16,159
The actually getting it done of the new editions and the publication itself, so.

900
00:52:17,434 --> 00:52:24,214
Yeah, but I do want anyone kind of involved to rest assured that you're

901
00:52:24,684 --> 00:52:27,934
still going to have a role in this thing,

902
00:52:30,944 --> 00:52:34,224
kind of shepherding this thing along in some identity.

903
00:52:35,764 --> 00:52:38,634
But I have a feeling you'll be contributing articles and

904
00:52:38,634 --> 00:52:40,434
a whole bunch of other things.

905
00:52:42,064 --> 00:52:42,804
100%.

906
00:52:42,854 --> 00:52:43,184
Yeah.

907
00:52:43,564 --> 00:52:43,944
Yeah.

908
00:52:43,944 --> 00:52:44,394
100%.

909
00:52:45,574 --> 00:52:45,964
right, gents.

910
00:52:46,899 --> 00:52:48,659
you know what I'd like to do an edition on?

911
00:52:49,234 --> 00:52:49,544
Tell me.

912
00:52:49,544 --> 00:52:49,924
Yeah.

913
00:52:49,999 --> 00:52:50,849
Epistemology.

914
00:52:51,499 --> 00:52:52,379
Methodology.

915
00:52:52,804 --> 00:52:53,254
Yeah.

916
00:52:53,424 --> 00:52:53,964
That'd be great.

917
00:52:54,859 --> 00:52:56,789
Like, uh, bro science.

918
00:52:57,579 --> 00:52:58,839
Does it have any merit?

919
00:52:59,569 --> 00:52:59,839
That,

920
00:52:59,924 --> 00:53:00,384
Absolutely.

921
00:53:00,384 --> 00:53:04,324
I'll do the bro science piece and Rahim can do the Austrian economics piece.

922
00:53:04,389 --> 00:53:04,819
Yeah.

923
00:53:05,174 --> 00:53:08,644
who's doing the traditional academic reasoning piece.

924
00:53:09,049 --> 00:53:10,509
Yeah, that's a good question.

925
00:53:10,779 --> 00:53:13,499
Who wants to, uh, stand up, uh, for that?

926
00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:19,969
Um, no, hey, like, uh, I think before we, uh, I think before we wrap up, uh,

927
00:53:19,969 --> 00:53:22,929
Aleks, give us an update on everything else that's, uh, been going on.

928
00:53:22,929 --> 00:53:25,269
Obviously, you talked about that Bushido is released.

929
00:53:25,269 --> 00:53:26,329
How is the launch going?

930
00:53:27,017 --> 00:53:27,557
It's going well.

931
00:53:27,557 --> 00:53:32,797
Um, I've, uh, we've sold in total, I think, including the

932
00:53:32,797 --> 00:53:36,147
pre sales on the crowdfund, about 2000 copies, maybe a little more.

933
00:53:36,697 --> 00:53:38,737
So it's, um, it's off to a good start.

934
00:53:39,617 --> 00:53:48,047
Um, next year I'm going to hit a bit of a podcast roadshow and talk more about some

935
00:53:48,047 --> 00:53:49,427
of the more controversial things in there.

936
00:53:49,937 --> 00:53:53,677
And I'm going to actually focus more of my time actually going

937
00:53:53,677 --> 00:53:56,767
on to non Bitcoin podcasts.

938
00:53:57,017 --> 00:53:58,827
I want to kind of like enter the zeitgeist.

939
00:53:59,122 --> 00:54:03,562
Um, or enter the, the discussion into, in, in other areas.

940
00:54:04,222 --> 00:54:04,842
So that's that.

941
00:54:06,072 --> 00:54:12,262
And then beyond that, um, the focus is really going to be on SITLANTIS.

942
00:54:12,262 --> 00:54:14,692
I just, just released an essay the other day, kind of

943
00:54:14,692 --> 00:54:16,682
grappling with what SITLANTIS is.

944
00:54:16,682 --> 00:54:20,892
And it's been, it's been tough because when people ask me like,

945
00:54:20,892 --> 00:54:22,312
Oh, what problem are you solving?

946
00:54:22,452 --> 00:54:27,482
Um, It's very hard because we're not, when we're, in, in building Selantis,

947
00:54:27,502 --> 00:54:29,172
we're not solving a specific problem.

948
00:54:29,172 --> 00:54:31,522
We're, we're creating a new category of product.

949
00:54:31,772 --> 00:54:34,632
We're trying to build something that doesn't yet really exist.

950
00:54:34,632 --> 00:54:41,102
And it's got, it's got elements from multiple different products as a,

951
00:54:41,122 --> 00:54:47,062
like a, uh, a super app for sovereign individuals, you know, for lack of

952
00:54:47,062 --> 00:54:50,922
a better term here, something like it doesn't actually exist today.

953
00:54:51,392 --> 00:54:56,062
Um, and that's, that's You know, what we've got to do in some senses, we've

954
00:54:56,062 --> 00:55:00,852
got to understand who this archetype is, who this growing audience is, and

955
00:55:00,852 --> 00:55:04,882
understand, uh, what they're looking for.

956
00:55:04,882 --> 00:55:07,252
And we've got to carve out a new category for these people.

957
00:55:07,252 --> 00:55:12,557
So, uh, most of, I think, The majority of my time next year is going to go

958
00:55:12,557 --> 00:55:19,287
into really working through that and building something that becomes a hub

959
00:55:19,297 --> 00:55:25,707
for events, for locations, merchants, venues, discovery, people, that sort

960
00:55:25,707 --> 00:55:28,252
of stuff that are within the community.

961
00:55:28,622 --> 00:55:33,832
The, the frame of interest, uh, for who I'd consider sovereign individuals

962
00:55:33,842 --> 00:55:36,902
and that's, you know, that includes Bitcoiners, but also includes

963
00:55:37,512 --> 00:55:40,702
people that essentially want more autonomy of the, over their lives.

964
00:55:40,702 --> 00:55:44,432
And, you know, that, that goes beyond just Bitcoin.

965
00:55:45,202 --> 00:55:48,442
So, autonomous entities, rather than sovereign individuals?

966
00:55:48,972 --> 00:55:50,652
But yeah, maybe that's a better way to put it, you know,

967
00:55:51,422 --> 00:55:51,712
Yeah.

968
00:55:51,712 --> 00:55:52,532
Non

969
00:55:52,562 --> 00:55:55,492
autonomous, humans, um, non NPCs.

970
00:55:55,492 --> 00:55:55,892
I don't know.

971
00:55:55,932 --> 00:55:57,952
I've got, I've got to find a, I've got to find a

972
00:55:59,032 --> 00:56:01,952
NPCs, that would just be PCs.

973
00:56:01,952 --> 00:56:02,017
Non NPCs.

974
00:56:02,282 --> 00:56:03,452
Yeah, PCs, exactly.

975
00:56:06,182 --> 00:56:07,152
Or just Cs.

976
00:56:08,307 --> 00:56:08,575
there we

977
00:56:11,957 --> 00:56:14,877
is there anything else you'd like us to bring up here?

978
00:56:14,877 --> 00:56:15,847
Or, um,

979
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:16,640
I think so.

980
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,580
I think the important thing is that people know that Bitcoin

981
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:25,100
Times is in, uh, is going to be making a strong comeback next year.

982
00:56:25,230 --> 00:56:27,600
Well, I guess depends when this podcast actually goes out.

983
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:32,170
So it'll probably be this year and you lads are going to be at the

984
00:56:32,170 --> 00:56:35,120
helm with my continued support.

985
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:40,850
And, uh, now they know the origin story and, uh, you know, they've

986
00:56:40,850 --> 00:56:43,330
got a sense of where it came from and where it's going to go.

987
00:56:43,330 --> 00:56:45,390
So it's, uh, it's interesting times.

988
00:56:46,096 --> 00:56:47,356
Interesting times indeed.

989
00:56:47,971 --> 00:56:49,131
always awesome to talk to you, man.

990
00:56:49,131 --> 00:56:52,501
And, uh, hey, uh, looking forward to seeing you in person next time.

991
00:56:52,531 --> 00:56:53,331
And, uh.

992
00:56:53,921 --> 00:56:57,791
Uh, yeah, continuing to do awesome stuff.

993
00:56:57,791 --> 00:57:02,251
We're definitely following along with the Satlantis stuff, and I'm looking

994
00:57:02,251 --> 00:57:03,911
forward to reading Bushido as well.

995
00:57:03,912 --> 00:57:07,371
I know it's a time commitment, but I definitely want to make it.

996
00:57:07,371 --> 00:57:11,261
I know it's right up my alley, so yeah, man, keep doing what you're

997
00:57:11,261 --> 00:57:16,851
doing and all of these efforts to get a little bit outside the Bitcoin space.

998
00:57:16,851 --> 00:57:20,731
There's a lot of value in that, and I think there's for sure a lot of value

999
00:57:20,731 --> 00:57:26,181
in us doing the same in different ways, though, like we're We're leaning into

1000
00:57:26,181 --> 00:57:30,531
the, the things that, that are important to us in the Bitcoin world as well.

1001
00:57:30,531 --> 00:57:35,181
But we've also definitely thought about ways of, of getting the, the word out

1002
00:57:35,181 --> 00:57:37,371
there in the, in the broader community.

1003
00:57:37,371 --> 00:57:40,611
So, I mean, I think keep us posted on, on how that's going.

1004
00:57:40,611 --> 00:57:43,761
Maybe there's, uh, maybe there's some people we need to talk to there as well.

1005
00:57:44,211 --> 00:57:47,571
Both, both having on our show and, and, and, you know, doing

1006
00:57:47,571 --> 00:57:48,711
the pod tour thing as well.

1007
00:57:48,711 --> 00:57:49,341
So, yeah.

1008
00:57:50,047 --> 00:57:50,877
I think so for sure.

1009
00:57:51,617 --> 00:57:52,157
All right, boys.

1010
00:57:53,181 --> 00:57:57,191
Hey, it's always been great talking to you, so, uh, take care, and until

1011
00:57:57,191 --> 00:57:58,871
next time, Knut, any final words?

1012
00:57:59,477 --> 00:58:00,767
Spinoinkel, as usual.

1013
00:58:02,139 --> 00:58:02,509
want to leave

1014
00:58:02,509 --> 00:58:04,649
anyone with socials or anything, Ale

1015
00:58:05,975 --> 00:58:06,615
Nah, it's all good.

1016
00:58:07,065 --> 00:58:08,095
I'm an uncle as well, okay?

1017
00:58:08,395 --> 00:58:08,695
Yeah, Spinoinkel.

1018
00:58:08,909 --> 00:58:09,449
Badoinkle.

1019
00:58:09,845 --> 00:58:12,885
Take care, Ale Always, always great chatting to you.

1020
00:58:13,385 --> 00:58:13,625
Always.