the book that's a kind of a, an explanation teaser on how we move
from a centralized mind that hence the wheel that we've been talking
about into observing the centralized mind, which is decentralized mind.
So anyone, if they wanted to, they immediately start doing that.
You're starting to change yourself.
It's there for everyone.
It's their own.
It's like their own property.
Welcome back to the Freedom Footprint show with Knut Svanholm
and me, Luke the Pseudo Finn.
And we're here today with Rob Brinded, author of Mind Decentralized, and
actually one of our very first guests, great to see you again, Rob.
Welcome back to the Freedom Footprint Show.
Thanks for having me, guys.
Looking forward to this.
Yeah.
Hi, Rob.
Uh, good to see you again.
I've got your book right here.
Uh, Mine Decentralized.
We were thinking here before, before we started the show, though,
when are you going to write the follow up Penis Decentralized?
But, uh,
Penis decentralized?
. I did hear that right, right?
yes.
Yeah.
No, I was going to say something about the size of my book.
Um, it, it looks bigger in, um, in the dark.
So, but the book's
Is this talking about your book or something
about my book.
I'm talking about my book.
Uh, the book is, uh, is a taster.
So it's, um, like a first edition.
I'm, I'll be working on a much more expanded version of it.
So it's going to get
Yes, and you're still talking.
You're still talking about the book, I guess.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just to avoid any confusion here.
Uh, mind is centralized.
It's about how your, your own brain is your biggest enemy, basically.
And, uh, to, uh, yeah, how, how to, how to rid yourself of your brain is
maybe, maybe that's a bit far fetched, but how to, how to get to know your
brain and how to reprogram yourself.
Right.
The thing at the end that you just said, how to reprogram yourself is, is
central to my work is, it's always been central to my work about, uh, getting
people to be their own authority.
So, uh, as Bitcoiners, you know, it's all about, uh, self authority and also
with, um, we're all humans walking around with this software, software like
computers inside of us, and people don't know how, they don't have a manual.
And there are different versions of manuals, let's say religions and
different things to try and guide people, but, I spent getting on to three
decades now working with that internal operating system, and then I want to,
with my work is to show people how to be able to access their operating
system, you know, they wake up in the morning, they can instantly look.
Uh, and see, you know, how am I feeling is, similar to going onto your computer
and looking at the operating system and seeing what's spiking and then being
able to shut it down, you know, programs that are running that are not necessary.
So, coming back to what you said about the brain, the, the way I.
look at my internal environment is like, the mind is, this thing that I can observe
that's just throwing up words and chatter.
And when.
The, I think, uh, the way I see it, that affects our brain.
So there can be, you know, I just like to say that the, the minds this, when
you start to really observe your mind and not get caught in it and just watch it,
you'll see that, there are similar themes that are constantly being thrown up.
And then when you look at those themes, there's a certain pattern
to the words that are being used.
And so I've been, I've been observing my, that condition mind for many
years, and it's, it can be broken down to be working like a hamster wheel.
I'm, is it okay?
I just going into the hamster wheel or
Sure, sure.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
So, you, you said, it seems to be something wrong with it.
Yes.
The, the, the problem that humans have, Is that we create programs, software programs
that are developed very early in life before we're four years old, and they work
as well as they can do, if you imagine a four year old coding, exceptional
coder, but they're four years old.
So they create these programs that they're trying to get their needs met
that weren't met when they were children.
And I haven't met anyone.
Whose needs were met, like, I can talk more about that later.
But what happens is we create these pseudo programs that we think get us love, but
in fact, they're hamster wheels trying to get a status, make us look valuable.
So, through caring for others, through supporting, through
achieving, through getting gold stars.
And the, the, the nature of a hamster wheel is the moment the hamster steps
on, it starts to spin the opposite direction to the way it wants to go.
So, they work and then when you get to a certain age, you start going, shit,
I'm not happy or like, when I, worked for Chelsea football club, I sort of
arrived at the highest level and I got amazing salary and, you know, huge amount
of, Space in the new training ground.
I was like, my, department was huge.
I was in charge of it and I felt completely empty.
And so that's when, you know, that was a long time ago, but I started to realize
that the emptiness was coming from that hamster wheel that was not getting me
all the effort to be acknowledged and recognized and be valuable wasn't getting
me love, connection and belonging.
So, yeah, so just bring it back to your question is we have We all
have a mind that's been conditioned through generations of ancestors
and traumas and experiences, and we've lost a connection as humans.
And, and, you know, you could say, does that go back to when we lost
the connection with sound money?
But I'd say that the connection is, is.
As with the parents and the disconnection of the family units much further back and
that, maybe the only people that have a very strong connection is if you go to
a tribe in the jungle in South America that doesn't know anyone else, you know,
that's, I think that we've, um, Yeah, there's a, we have a huge disconnection
problem and, uh, yeah, we've created these programs that run this software and it's
glitchy, seriously glitchy, and so as my job and as an educator and in my book,
I'm there to explain it's not complex.
We have hamster wheels.
If you look, you can see them.
And the, the, the main thing is that they explain everything
about your behavior and the way to dissolve them or get rid of them.
is to observe them,
I have my, uh, my own experiences with this and starting way earlier than when I
started meditating, or learned about that.
And it goes back to when I was in the Merchant Marine Academy.
Uh, I have, uh, one insight from that.
Period of my life was like, I was always running to the bus and sometimes
I could see the bus driver in the rear view mirror of the bus, just.
Looking at me, seeing me running, and then when I was five meters from the
door, he would drive away and just , do a little smoky smile and like smug
smile and just drive away from me.
Yeah, he was an asshole.
He is a total asshole.
And I was so pissed and angry and all, you know, worked up
as you get about these things.
until one day I realized.
Hang on, uh, I'm never going to run to the bus again, so I
just, or to any transport again.
So I just promised myself, it doesn't matter if I'm in a hurry or not, I'm
not going to run to transportation.
I'm just going to stop doing that.
So I did, and what happened was that I was on time every morning, uh, I
was way better at making it to the bus because I promised myself not
to run and yeah, or on some days I just skipped school, that worked too.
But I think like knowing your limitations and, and controlling
them is, is absolutely crucial.
I mean, If I look back at a, at a working day, like, uh, I can, I can look back at
the day and like, be angry with myself for just, ah, I've just procrastinated
so many hours away and I got nothing done, but maybe I got something done.
And when a year has passed, that amounts to quite a lot because you don't really
need to work that many hours per day.
If.
If, like, by working, you mean just not being productive, it's much better to just
be hyper focused when you actually do it, and then relax the rest of the day, be
like a lion, you know, sleeping for 20 hours and then go and chase an antelope,
like, that's basically the life of a lion.
So, so I think modern society with all the technological advancements and, and,
you know, the internet in particular, putting a lot of pressures on us to
just, as you say, to achieve and to make these connections and to, and.
Uh, at the end of the day, it's like Jeff Booth says, uh, that all we need is,
uh, all we want is love and belonging.
And it takes a while to realize this, that that's what you can do without your own.
It's another, another example I have is, when I got a parking ticket, Uh, like at,
at one point, uh, in my life, I lived in Malmo and, uh, we, I got parking tickets,
uh, because there was one day of the month where they were cleaning the streets
and you couldn't park at the street.
And I always forgot.
So I was pissed at these parking tickets, uh, because it's a sense
of course, and I have to pay money to pay the damn pocket ticket.
But I realized that by, by being angry.
At the parking ticket, I doubled the cost for me.
Like, the cost was already there in losing the money, so why would I let the parking
ticket hurt me more than just financially.
So, so just pay and be happy.
It's the same with taxes.
I fucking hate them, but you should pay and be happy.
Why pay and be angry?
Like then you pay double.
Is this something you can relate to?
no, totally, you're, I mean, the last thing you said is, is self awareness.
You're aware that if you get angry, you're damaging yourself.
And there's absolute zero gain, but most people don't have the awareness or the
awareness to look at their own behavior.
The running behavior was a behavior that is crucial for people to
understand that when it sounds complex, observing your own behavior, it is.
It is the heart.
It's the highest form of intelligence to be able to observe your own
behavior and not comment on it.
Just observe it.
But to be able to, I watch people and they always rush.
And, but they don't realize they're rushing until someone points it out to
them and maybe even then they, don't care.
They're so caught in their behaviors.
But when you start to observe and say, why do I rush?
Why am I doing this?
You're going to start and you observe that all the, you might
be, I'm, I'm fearful of being late.
Why are you fearful?
Why am I fearful about being late?
Well, I'm worried how people will perceive me.
And then you start following the thread down.
And it starts to dissolve.
The program no longer runs.
It's just software on the computer.
Um, one of, a story that, that I think is quite cool that happened fairly
recently to me is, I observed my clients would, they'd rise and they'd fall.
So I always have pretty much the same every month.
Uh, some, it would go high and then low.
And so I, I started to observe that and my thinking because I wanted newer clients.
I wanted more clients, but new clients for to, because I, I enjoy the
challenge of finding out new things.
And I started to observe, why do I want more clients?
And when I, when I, when I really got down to it in my watching my thoughts about
it, it was, there was a safety thing.
There was safety in getting more clients.
It would make me feel safer because of the money at the end of the month.
So I saw that and I also saw another behavior and I, I observed it and I
looked at the thoughts coming up and observed them without commenting.
There was no action to do any marketing.
I observed it.
Then I talked to my Assistant about it.
And I did a session with her on my whiteboard because I wanted her to
also be part of this new client thing.
She was very scared about reaching out, and didn't want to seem selly,
you know, like a salesperson.
So we worked and she observed her own behavior and it took a day and
she was like, Oh, my God, I feel completely different about this.
That month we doubled, I doubled my revenue.
Doubled.
And it was just, without doing anything, without any marketing, I got three or
four new clients just by observing within a few days, I just got new clients.
And that's where in my.
opinion, there's no separation from the external reality
and our internal environment.
So we just project out our conditioning onto our reality and pull experiences in.
That's my experience.
and I see it and I, saw it in, when I was working in football, the players would
get injured when they had turmoil at home, or when there was a, there was a
stress around their position, they would pull in an experience to get injured.
And if you observe it and you, follow, you ask the right questions, you'll
see that always there's a stressor.
uh, just quickly, uh, there was a story, there was a footballer at a, uh, there was
a footballer who was the top footballer in my, in the football club I was working.
He was the number one.
They brought in a new number one.
They told the footballer, um, the goalkeeper, sorry, that this guy
won't change, take your place.
He came in and he took his place and that's the number one became number two,
and he was so angry for a long time.
He's really resentful the one game.
The goalkeeper got injured.
Number two came in.
It was his chance.
He got injured.
In that game, I believe it was that game, just from a very
simple save, it took him out.
The number three goalkeeper came in, got injured, because wasn't ready.
So we pull in injuries or illnesses if In my, in my opinion, if, if there's
a threat to the deep conditioning, if that, if that makes sense.
Yeah, this, this ties in so well to the episode we did with Jeff a couple of weeks
back, because like the, the takeaway from, the big takeaway that I got from that
was that your reality is, is a reflection of your consciousness back at you.
Like, yeah.
Jeff Booth is, um, you know, fortunate to know him.
He, I really do feel fortunate to have met him and know, know him to be
able to speak to him now and again.
Um, I listen to him, Michael Saylor the most out of, you.
You know, I listen to other, like maybe Krishnamurti and I read and watch
other documentaries, but most of the time I spend watching my own behavior.
But Jeff Booth, he, I gave him a call to ask him about investment for a
place to be, my wife's project here in Madeira, a self directed learning for,
um, for people who like the bee symbol.
and he, he was talking and then he said, Unmet needs.
He said something about unmet needs.
And my model of, of my work was missing that little thing, the unmet needs.
And, and when he said it, I went, Oh, and I went over in my brain for a few days.
And I said, Oh, my God, that's it.
It's the unmet needs is why the hamster wheel was created in the first place.
So, yeah.
You know, you, Jeff Booth is an exceptional character and, and, uh,
when, when I met him here in Madeira with you, Knut, I was sitting near you,
uh, in fact, we might've been sitting together, but Jeff turned to me, you
were turning to someone else at that cafe near Maya, and Jeff Booth said, yeah,
when people realize that the external and the internal, there's no separation,
that's when things, Get interesting.
That's when things will change.
And I was like, Oh, shit, this, this guy really gets it.
So yeah, he's the
Absolutely.
Yeah, yeah.
And we'll see him again.
And so will you, if you come to Madeira between the 1st and the 3rd of
March next year for Bitcoin Atlantis.
I'll have three weeks there to hang out.
Uh, looking forward to that a lot.
Yeah.
Cool.
And there's a lot of other Bitcoiners here now as well.
and, and the, uh, the speaker list just keeps on getting more and more amazing.
Like, I mean, like Andre keeps dropping names.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's going to be special.
I saw you in Riga, I believe.
Yeah.
And I thought Riga was wonderful as a social, uh, you know, just journalist.
I, I really, uh, this is my favorite Bitcoin event, so I haven't been
to too many, but this one's going to be special music festival and
everything that comes with it.
So, and you too.
yeah, it's going to be beautiful.
Yeah.
uh, it's just beautiful that this thing is playing out.
And, and I see also, uh, uh, that's more and more, uh, shops and, and, uh,
bars and cafes and stuff in Madeira are starting to accept bitcoin.
Yeah.
I think, um, Knut, we always said that bit by bit, it was going to
grow from the bottom up here and.
I'm not really, to be honest.
I'm not trying to orange pill anyone at the moment.
Now, and again, I did the Thai massage, um, chain that they have here.
Uh, JJs the owner, and so I pay for my deep tissue massage in Bitcoin, in SATs.
Um, and I tip the, the lady in sat, so she's getting a little of, um,
like, don't touch this, and she, she understands the importance.
Um, but Charlie here.
talking about sats now and not happy endings, I hope.
No, no happy endings.
It's a professional.
Okay.
Just to, just to keep it straight here.
Yeah.
I was having a massage the other day and this Indian, an Indian guy came
in and, um, I didn't, I couldn't see him, but I heard his accent.
And he was like, uh, he was asking for a massage.
And then he kept saying, is it just a massage?
And what he wanted was the woman to say, well, we can accommodate it.
And he, you know, that type of conversation and he kept, and she
was saying, yes, it's a massage.
It's a massage.
And he was, but, um, and I knew he's trying to say, is there any,
uh, you know, extras and he, he realized and said, I'll cancel.
So no, it's a professional place.
Really good.
Alright,
Yeah, so I was just saying Charlie, there's Charlie here that's doing the
orange pilling and I can see that, as you know, everything starts off,
it's, uh, it's difficult to see a change, but then it compounds and
he's, people are going to be talking, more people are talking about it.
It's going to do the old, um, compounding.
And so more and more people are here, know Bitcoin, or will be accepting it.
yeah, I went to the barbershop there close to you like last time I
was in Funchal that accepted sats.
Unfortunately, like with so many other places that accept sats, like the owner
had to come by to be able to do it because it's usually, like that, that happens
every now and then that the owner is orange pill, but no one else in the staff.
So they
Yeah.
Um, Charlie's getting everyone on BT, BT pay, uh, BTC pay or Swiss pay.
Um, so, um, it's, you know, the pharmacies here, which are very professional.
They take, um, he's, he's orange pilled four or five, um, pharmacies now.
And so they have everything set up with, uh, You know, with a,
with a Swiss pay, I think it is.
But so there, um, it's getting more, Charlie's doing a great job, who the, the
Portuguese guy who's orange pulling here.
So it's a good place.
nice, good to hear.
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Uh, back to the decentralized mind.
Uh, uh, how, how does Bitcoin fix this?
Or does Bitcoin fix minds and how in your opinion?
I know I have an answer
I know, I know you do.
So for me, Uh, Bitcoin, uh, you are the, you, you are very good at seeing
ahead, and we've talked before and you, what, what I've seen is that I
work with Bitcoiners who, who are not so aware of their, their conditioning.
So Bitcoin, um, if you are, if you are very, um.
And so when, when I work with someone like that, that limitation, fear of
limitation or being unable or being helpless drives that momentum towards
Bitcoin to finding freedom technology.
But that fear of.
Limitation and helplessness will never, I don't, that needs
to be observed and addressed.
Bitcoin, yes, is, it's almost using human, human psychology to drive its
adoption because it's going to bring on all the freedom people, and then
the, the more they try and control, you know, the, powers that be, try and
control this disintegrating system, The more that control is put on, the
more people that don't like being controlled will escape to Bitcoin.
So it's just inevitable it plays out.
I'm not so, uh, I just know that Bitcoin will do a lot to change
society and bring back connection.
If we have.
Uh, if the incentives are broken and you can no longer buy a house and
you have to work harder and harder, the family unit is disintegrating.
You can't be with your kids if you have to work.
So, if that's the case, then that system is driving disconnect.
So it's driving the, trauma and the glitches in the software.
So you bring Bitcoin in, it fixes that.
So it fixes the disconnection.
So I do see that.
I can't imagine it, uh, Knut.
I mean, it's possible.
It's totally possible.
But you're, you're good at playing it forward.
I just see that if people can no longer, if they no longer have to work
two jobs, and the mother can stay at home, which is Absolutely important.
And the father's there as well.
Again, relationships, that comes, that's also, uh, software and
conditioning, you know, the father leaving is conditioned from his parents.
If you look at, you know, the, the parents usually divorced and, and it's
conditioned down into the, the kids, If the parents can be together, that's
going to improve society, it's going to completely transform society, and
therefore will have an effect on our software, but the software, you see, this
is where I'm like thinking, of Jeff Booth and what he's saying, and what I believe
is, if the external reality is the same as the internal, if the external reality
has a transformation, that will change, have a transformation on the inside.
Yeah, well, well, uh, I'd like to add my perspective to yours, if I may,
like, uh, I think, I think Bitcoin itself is, it's not the signal.
It's just the greatest noise remover ever, like removes all the noise.
Uh, and that's why it's so good for, for humans to free up their time and
start seeing things for what they really are, including themselves.
Yes, I love that.
So, so I think that's, that's, that's the way to see it.
It's a noise removal tool.
Uh, and also like everything that comes with lowering your time preference, which
is talked about a lot in the space, you know, because you start prioritizing
quality over quantity when you have, perfectly scarce money, you, you choose
to, the chances that you will choose to save rather than spend are quite high.
Because you know, they're going up in value over time.
And that makes you, uh, in the end, that makes you crave fewer things.
And so you, so you get into this more minimalistic, like that in itself,
I think is a, uh, On, on the same trajectory as, as, uh, same psychological
trajectory as as trying to, uh, learn more about how your own brain works
I totally agree.
The noise reduction thing is when you observe your conditioning,
you're actually reducing the noise.
Because it's just noise and you get caught in the hamster wheel and you
use your, you try and control your reality, but based on your conditioning.
So you just keep repeating.
So anything that removes, like we, I talk about de engineering.
So you have engineering in the world.
But inside it's de engineering.
And so Bitcoin, as you said, is, it produces noise, which, uh, and time
preference, slow time preference comes when we know the truth, like you see
the truth and everything calms down.
So I totally agree.
Yeah.
Nicely put.
HH, h how familiar are you with Pology and Austrian economics and like,
have you read any of those books?
Oh, that's a beautiful one.
That's the best one.
I did, it was just sitting there.
Yeah, um, uh, I got that off Nico.
I haven't, I just read that one and Starship Troopers, I
don't know if you know that one.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,
It's a great book.
The praxeology I need to get into.
Yeah, great praxeology books for starship troopers, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Heinlein is Sailor's favorite author, by the way.
Ah, I didn't know that.
Yeah, he told us, uh, uh, um, back in Prague.
Anyway, uh, where was I going with this?
Yeah, yeah, the, the, the basic thesis of Mises is that you, uh, Uh, the, the
reason you act is because you feel uneasy in some way, and then you imagine a
state in the future where you have done something, and you choose to do that
thing to get into that less uneasy state.
So, a way to look at this is that all we're doing is replacing Replacing our
problems with better problems to have, that's, that's what we aim for, like, uh,
that is true for, I mean, money solves a lot of problems, of course, it can give
us a sense of security and it can give us more stuff or whatever, whatever it is,
but what we're really trying to do is to get into a state of less uneasiness Well,
regardless of what we do, that's, that's the, that's the goal of every action.
So we're trying to replace problems with better problems to have.
And some people have only figured out half of that.
They haven't figured out like, uh, that's a state of calmness
and a state of, you know, knowing yourself and, and being closer to.
Your close ones is better than just running in the hamster's wheel.
They think that they're getting a better problem by buying a
new car and a new yacht and whatever, but they're really not.
And they're trying to get their needs met.
Yeah, exactly.
But all we're doing is searching for better problems to have, but
the thing to remember here is that we can we can never rid ourselves
of every problem, except once.
And that is when we die.
When we're dead, we don't have any problems anymore.
So in that sense, death is wrong.
Heaven.
Like, because you remove all the problems, all the uneasiness.
This may sound morbid, but, but really, there's If you think about it, the
state of no problems to have is, you know, before birth, after death, that's
when we have no problems whatsoever.
And life is just a series of getting better problems to have.
Yeah, life is, we're here to resolve.
Resolve things.
Yeah.
Untie knots.
Yeah.
And the mind, the way we see life, like with the mind through
frames is that it's in duality.
So as, as you know, you know, you, you see something or it's sunny here, but
compared to another country, it's dull.
Everything's hot, cold.
There's always an opposite.
That's how we are.
We understand life.
If we didn't have opposites, we wouldn't, you know, be able to understand our lives.
So and that the, the, the stuff with the hamster wheels that
I find fascinating is those.
Those frames were built very early, and so that causes us to suffer because
they're not truthful, they're jammed up one side or the other of this sort
of the yin yang shape, and so when you observe that it's a child's program,
and the child was only trying to do the best that it could, and you understand
that with compassion, which is needed to dissolve the program, then you, Are
perfectly balanced between, let's say gain or loss or being able or unable when
they're balanced, then there's calmness.
And so we're here to balance out our wheels.
I think we're kind of saying the same thing, but that causes
people to kill themselves.
most people are suffering terribly from their minds, from the conditioning
that they don't realize is, is, can be seen and dissolved, or you go and see
a therapist, but I, I'm kind of, um, you, you can really only understand
yourself when you observe yourself.
And Michael Saylor once said in an interview, he was
saying, first hand observation.
He's always talking about it if you observe something and look at the
problem, so first hand observation is how we look at nature and the world.
You have to look at it yourself, not through other people's beliefs.
But when it comes to understanding yourself, it has to be done by yourself.
With firsthand observation and change.
That's the only thing that'll change the world.
However, we have Bitcoin, as you said, that's gonna be a noise reducer because
at the moment, most people are so spinning and stressed and, they can't,
they have no time or energy to, and they're too noisy to be able to do this.
So it's a perfect, you know, it's, there's something coming
that's very, very exciting.
But most people in spirit, in the spiritual realm don't get Bitcoin.
So that's why I'm writing my book that is going to be more based in
the healing space and that, that, you know, health, spirituality, let's
say, if you want to use that word, the mind, self development, I'm writing my
book for them and I'm going to drop.
Um, I say, you know, by the way, Bitcoin's coming and that will
help, uh, with human transformation.
People are going to be like, doesn't it boil the oceans?
And, you know, it's funny, there's a lot of spiritual people who are
like, oh, technology's bad, but,
got that.
I think that's, uh, in the thought tradition of Rousseau, maybe,
uh, that technology is bad, uh, which is, it's a very, like,
technology is just problem solving.
Like it's, uh, it's Tools, all tools, all tools have the same purpose.
They're there to save us time or save someone time somewhere.
that's the purpose of all tools.
And as they get better, we save more time.
The problem is the money is broken.
So the time saving of the tools, uh, are funneled into the so
called elite, which is just the best term for the best thieves,
uh, or the most efficient thieves.
But at the expense of everyone else, but we could have that, time
saving distributed and that would not lead to less spirituality.
The opposite is true.
It would free up time for everyone and just make everything more awesomer.
And
awesome.
I totally agree.
What the, what I've noticed, and I don't mean this in a
I don't want to be negative.
I love Michael Saylor, how constructive he is.
I like listening and Jeff Booth as well.
They don't spend their time, you know, with like negating stuff.
I just see when, we have Bitcoin meetups, the most spiritual, Guys, the guys who
look spiritual are usually into Ethereum and because spirituality is not really,
yeah, I think there's a real pattern there and what it comes down to is the idealism
of, um, you know, the Ethereum and the Web3 is that we can change the world,
and it's very up, like in the heavens, it's very, this spiritual vibe with, but
without the feet firmly on the floor and what, what I see is that Bitcoin is it
sort of got the feet firmly in the floor in maths and engineering, but it's going
to transform you know, the, earth and the heaven, it connects the two because it's
going to transform humanity quicker than any spiritual, you know, going to, you.
Um, what's that thing, a burning man and, you know, all the tech bros
dancing and wearing wolf t-shirts Uh, there's this Bitcoin thing that it
looks so unspiritual, if that's a word.
It looks so, I don't know, it burns, but it counterintuitively,
it's like a Trojan horse.
yeah, in many senses of the word, I.
This is one of my more controversial ideas, but I view Bitcoin as financial
atheism, and by that I don't mean like bashing people who are religious or
spiritual, but in the sense that it's the only Monetary system that does not really
require belief in an authority on a or any higher power because you can verify
everything, every single step of it.
So I'm, I, I see it as, I see fiat as the cult, uh, because the, uh, the
number written on a dollar bill or a Euro bill, you have to take that at you.
You need belief to, to, uh, to think that that has value.
Uh, you're only.
You, you, you, you need belief in the central banking system and the banking
system and what whatnot in the government in order for that to, to function.
So that is the cult and we're the ones leaving the cult.
Like, and, uh, to me that is even more, that is real spirituality because
spirituality is, is is nothing without a, a firm grounding in something real.
Even, even if consciousness is, uh, reality is consciousness reflected
back at you, it needs to be real.
Otherwise, I mean, keep it real, as the hip hoppers say.
When, when, when I, uh, my red flag clients, the ones that I'm wary of, I
call them red flags with my sister, when they're very spiritual, they're the ones
that are the trickiest because they're so caught up in beliefs and ideologies
that when you like I had this woman who's super spiritual, like an influencer on
Instagram, she booked a session with me.
And I'm like, all my work is facts.
So they have to, if there's no beliefs, no one needs to believe what I say.
I get it.
It's either changes or it doesn't.
And the whiteboards, when I'm working on the whiteboard, I say
anything on here that's not fact that you don't 100 percent see.
inside, we don't put it on the board.
And this girl, she was like, yeah, my partner, he's just left me.
But I was told that he was my incarnation, because I have an old soul.
And he's my, and it was all of this, this
Nonsense
not it was nonsense, but it was suffering.
And then I said, what if he doesn't?
What if he doesn't like you?
Or I think I said, what if you're, because what I'm trying
to do is elicit an emotion.
That's my hook.
And I said something like, what if, um, he just finds you boring?
And the reason why I said boring is because this, all this stuff that she
was giving me was making her special.
And that's a hamster wheel.
Like people want to feel special and they don't want to be
ignored and a nobody or average.
Average for some is, is kryptonite.
So I said, what if he just doesn't find you boring?
And she would, the, the conversation went deadly quiet.
I said, look, we have to be truthful here.
Like, would that bother you if he thought you're average?
And she said, well, he wouldn't do like she got very defensive.
So the, uh, the defenses came up.
So your, what you were saying is absolutely true.
I only, I don't, there's no beliefs in my work.
There's no, and that's why I don't like the term spiritual.
Because I, I don't really, I don't know really what it means.
It, it means understanding self for this truth.
You got to be truthful on the inside.
And so, uh, Hamster Wheels for me, uh, and I've been looking at it and
validating that concept and it works because every client I've worked with
said, Oh, my God, that's my life.
And that explains.
That's why I behave and that is why I have this thing.
So there's no belief and I, so yeah, I love that, um, financial atheism.
You don't need beliefs.
You need facts.
You need to know your shit.
Like, uh, that, that, that story reminds me so much about, uh, my
brother who's works as, as a, uh, the head chef of a restaurant up,
uh, close to where we grew up.
Uh, and, uh, that he, he, he, uh, I mean, we talk to one another
every day and, uh, he always has stories about, uh, the, the year.
The people who eat at the restaurant, and especially stories about
people who are picky with things.
So some are, you know, intolerant to gluten, intolerant to lactose,
some are vegans, some are lacto vegans, some are vegetarian, and
one even complained about the water being too cold and stuff like that.
It's hilarious.
The hilarious story is all of it.
And what he has observed is that most of that, if not all of
it, is A craving for attention.
That's all it is.
People want to be special.
And this is, this is another interesting fact about that.
It's always women.
100 percent of them, it's women who, who, and I think this is
very close to the hamster's wheel thing that you're talking about.
This is a way to feel special so that you get a special treatment.
You want, you crave the special treatment because that, that
makes you feel appreciated.
And I think it's, it's the exact same thing as your Deepak Chopra woman there,
uh, with the dream catchers and whatnot.
That's exactly what they're doing.
They want to feel special.
you can, you can say that with an ever increasing velocity of this,
uh, what am I going to call it?
Like.
Fucked upness of the, the economy.
Clown world, clown
yeah, this spinning wider.
You're seeing things getting worse as symptoms of a deeper,
um, lack of enable, unable.
So, uh, autoimmune disorders where the system attacks itself.
you're unable to function correctly is a symptom of, internally humans are
getting more and more scared and more, feel more and more helpless and unable
men, testosterone levels are plummeting.
Why?
Well, you could say, well, maybe it's estrogens in the
water and everything possibly.
And remember, everything is a reflection of, the internal.
if men no longer.
And it's been programmed in for 50 years or whatever, where that toxic
masculinity and men need to be more feminine and the women have become
more sort of controlling, let's say more masculine, then men feel less and
less potent, less and less able, the hamster wheel is conditioned in from
childhood, more and more children with single parent family, like my family.
So the child's brought up with a feminine as the masculine, the mother in charge.
And so the program creates the environment of the body.
So there's plummeting testosterone levels if you're in TRT stocks.
Uh, you know, you, you're doing well.
So again, you, you coming back to, uh, I, I thought you were going to say
like Bitcoin will also have an effect.
I don't want to get into, you know, there are these people say, Oh,
Bitcoin is gonna do this and that.
But if you really think about it, if it calms down the threat level.
That's going on in the world.
It will reflect back in the body.
So the body will calm down.
The hormonal systems will calm down, but everyone's on red alert internally.
Inflammation.
Everyone's talking about inflammation.
What's that?
It's just everyone's running on their hamster wheels and
they're exhausted and, and.
Um, then they're not in the yin, which is the non-doing so Bitcoin is yin.
Well, it does everything with, by doing nothing.
So it's, going to enable us to, it'll calm everything down,
all the noise, as you said.
Um, super interesting.
Yeah, it's like an anchor.
Something to anchor, anchor something into.
I don't know what that something is exactly, but it's, it's,
it's sort of an anchor.
It's something that doesn't change, over time.
And that's, uh, that is.
You know, the promise it makes is to be, uh, to be that way forever.
And, uh, that is, that is a tricky thing.
And we need to fight for that to, to, like, it's, it's what I think Reagan
has said that every generation needs to fight for freedom over and over again.
Like it's, it's not, freedom isn't free, uh, what the South Park creators said.
Uh, they, you, you have to, you have to fight for it every generation.
I, I don't think there's ever going to be, uh.
an end to that like because it's it's the the flip side of freedom is always
responsibility you have you can't have one without the other and you have to
start with yourself and you have to see that in order to be truly free it it
starts from within not from the outside
Right.
And that's why any time that Any time that a human tries to shape someone, like puts
their hand in the hamster wheel, let's say, for instance, I saw on the news this
morning, something going on in Ireland, where an immigrant murders a girl.
I'm not quite, I just picked it up as being, that was the thing.
And
yeah and there were riots and
right, her boyfriend, in his witness statement, as, as a, I'm not As a victim
witness statement, he wrote something saying, like, our communities, like,
you're, you're sending all these people in and, and it's breaking down communities.
We don't feel safe any longer.
So this guy's freedom of speech and the BBC and the newspapers.
Uh, cut it out.
And so what they were doing was they were trying to shape society to be safer.
What did they do?
Well, everyone's like, Hey, and they, everyone's now looking
at exactly what they didn't.
It's always the same.
And so they create more energy in the thing that they
didn't want to have energy.
It's so the hamster wheel's in play.
You try, the more you try and control, the more you will get.
Uncontrolled.
The more they try and fight Bitcoin, the more it will give Bitcoin life,
totalitarianism isn't sustainable.
Like, I mean, the more you try to control people,
the more it disintegrates.
closer you get to civil war.
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and so coming back to the, the, the point of,
like, the, our external.
Reality is, it's a projection of our internal, like a matrix.
We can't, that's a, I see that, I kind of know that, but that's my, I
can't get anyone else to believe that.
But if that's the case, then the only way, and this is my experience, the only way I
can change what I don't like in the world.
is to work on how I feel about that.
So, if I look at the Israeli conflict, I get super angry.
The more I fight and go into the hamster wheel and shout at it, it's disgusting
and I am reinforcing that system.
But I take responsibility for the greed or the violence I see is within me too.
And then I observe it.
Because I'm getting angry and violent and I want to, you know, whenever I, um, you
know, that's why projection is such a, uh, a visible thing, especially on Twitter.
know, you, you, as Jeff says, you either energize the new system,
decentralize minds, which is.
Observing that centralized mind spinning, you can only change system
from, you can't change system from within the system, as Jeff says.
So he's there energizing what he wants to see, and that's something I spend,
uh, it's not easy, but I'm trying to, when I say stay constructive is, I take
responsibility every day for everything that I see outside of me is within me.
So when I point the finger, there's always three bags.
but you're not alone in this battle, Rob.
Like me and Luke, we have tactics calls like almost every day about, about the
show and like what to do with it and like how to, how to reach more people and how
to, how to do this and how to do that.
But every now and then we need to remind ourselves that
we're not really doing this.
for the main reason we're doing this is because we want to talk to people.
We want to, we want to listen to what they have to say and we
want to learn something from it.
We want to, uh, it's, it's not about
yeah, that,
or money or anything like that.
I mean, yeah, we're, we're still playing that game.
We can't not play that game because we're in it.
But, but we can be aware of it, but we don't necessarily have to, uh, you know,
play it the way other people play it.
Because first and foremost, this is about the conversations we have.
Uh, and we need to keep that.
That's the orange glowing light.
Like that's, uh, that's what we need to.
And don't forget to like, subscribe and brush your teeth, people.
But, um, Knut, that brings up, that's a real subtle thing
you just said, it's beautiful.
In, if you're, when, when you think I need to reach more people.
Yeah, I understand it's a business and you want the podcast to be, but then
if you look, if you're watching your behavior and then you see, I want this
to be more and you just observe that you'll see more to it and then that will
dissolve and then your reality changes.
So it, as I, as I wrote on Twitter, marketing is an internal game.
That was one, that was one of them.
I was trying to be like you, Knut.
I was trying to write, I was like, ah, shit, that sounds really, I
learned, you know, I did a, uh, I was going to say something stupid.
I was on, Jeff Booth posted a photo of, um, a loaf of bread he's been
cooking and I saw that on Nostra.
And so I thought, I'm going to be clever here and write a joke
and I wrote a, I wrote a pun.
Um, your life, your loaf will continue to rise.
And I just sat there and I went, oh fuck, that's perfection.
And then someone wrote underneath.
Oh my god, the best comment ever written on Nostra, and I'm like waiting there
for the validation, and then it's gone, it's like lost in the ether, so,
you know, that's my, you know, I was trying to get, um, trying to be funny,
trying to get validation and stuff.
Funny.
I thought it was a good joke.
It was like, I would have, I would have probably made the meatloaf joke
somehow, but, uh, it's not fully
I didn't know about the, your star will continue to rise, and I shouldn't bring
it up because it's a bit critical, but Nico showed me the He said,
you don't know about the Star Wars
out of the clip,
and then the guy who wrote the song, but that's also, um, that's
human creativity, isn't it?
It's so, so good.
this craving for.
Uh, you know, uh, acknowledgment or whatever you, you call it, you know,
you want the engagement, you want people to notice you on the internet.
Like, it's not all negative.
Is it like there's, there's a positive force there too.
I mean, at, at the end of the day, it's about love and belonging and
blah, blah, blah, but also like.
Being witty is, it's just a brain exercise.
That's all it is like, uh, putting words together in a funny way.
And if people appreciate that, why, why you should be proud that they
Sure, and it's a very good point.
There's a positive and negative.
The negative is If you need be witty, so
yeah, if you do it for the wrong reasons, basically.
there's the thing is subtle is, um, wittiness, we, we all learn
to be funny to, to be, to kind of fit in and, and different ways.
You know, they will say about the comedians, they used it
because you like Joe Rogan was probably very, he was quite short.
So he was the funny guy.
Like the funny guy at school is usually, you know, he was funny because
that's the way he fitted in and I used humor as well to make people like me.
Um, humor is the greatest thing on the planet.
Like, making people laugh and laughing and enjoying yourself is why we're here.
All the, it's just enjoying humans and I love funny people and I love
witty and telling stories and, um, you know, you, you two are funny and,
and tell funny stories and stuff.
So I love that.
It's, and so there's nothing wrong with that.
It's if we are concerned with doing it because we want to fit in when?
When.
So you won't lose your wittiness, but you need to see
the reason why you're doing it.
So, uh, I work with like elite fighters.
Let's say I work with Elite Fighter.
One of the things that they'll say, usually the side, you won't take away my.
My liking of fighting because a lot of fighters were, have a hamster
wheel to achieve and they use fighting and there's a lot of trauma in their
childhood and they, you know, they get into fighting and violence.
And so what I've found is in all walks, when you dissolve the
compulsive hamster wheel underneath, the skill set's still there.
They just enjoy it.
They're not, it's not a compulsion.
Does that make sense?
yeah, absolutely.
think with humor in particular, with comedy and humor in
particular, you can't really do it without being true to yourself.
Like, it's not funny if you're not truthful.
That, that's why left heart Can't meme and everything.
Like, it's, it's, it's not funny because of the, because it's
not truthful to, to themselves.
Like, uh, um, maybe I shouldn't say left heart, but, you know,
With love.
We say it
said it.
Yeah.
Left heart well.
Left heart should they're, the, the, the left isn't right and
there's no right left, so, uh, yeah.
Uh, by leftards, I mean, oh, well, everyone who isn't a
Bitcoiner at this point, I guess.
The funny, the Dave Chappelle, the, it seems like,
I watched him today.
oh, and I love, I love him.
And you'll see the best, I hadn't really seen it like that, but the, the best
comedians, well, they tell the truth.
The jokes are the most truthful, are the most like, you know, when
they say something that no one wants to say, but it has to be truthful.
And everyone has to see this, truthfully, otherwise no one laughs.
So, and self deprecation is a nice way as well.
English people, I think they self deprecate.
I don't know about the Finns and the Swedes.
Yeah, there's a lot of that there too.
Make jokes about
The thing is, like, nowadays, Swedish comedy is just tragic.
Because all I see when I see Swedish comedians is people who are
stuck in the mindset of a Swede.
Like, they're so, they're so formed by the system they grew up in.
And there's this layer of political correctness on top of that.
So they're trying to do a balancing act.
Uh, and it's, it's just very telling.
It's, it's just depressing because most of it, most of them, those who
call themselves comedians, they're on, uh, in public service media.
So they're paid by the state.
So they can't really make fun of the state.
So they make fun of people who make fun of the state.
And it doesn't
And there's control there.
There's control in their humor, which kills that, um, oxygen.
the spark.
It's just, and, uh, to me, it's just dead at this point.
And it's even like mockery, because they're forcing people to pay for
the public service media and they're forcing people to pay for everything.
And they're making fun of Swedish society, but not in the
way that I would appreciate.
Like just pointing out how bullshitty it is, but, but in, in ways which
are still like boxed in, in these, uh, it's like the blindfolds are
still on and it's not funny at all.
The self deprecation, I mean, there's a lot of that in, in more, if you
go back a couple of decades when Swedish comedians were funny, or
maybe I was just, I was younger, but.
The Brits have always had that, and I, yeah, I love John Cleese, for instance,
like, always done, I think he's a, as a philosopher as well, a very, very clever
man, and, uh, Ricky Gervais would be a modern example of really good at that,
and really good at, I think there's, speaking of him, I think there's a
financial aspect to this, because when, when comedy is your livelihood, uh,
you can't really afford to, to make, to be, you know, shadow banned, or,
Unless you've, you're, you've got so much money that you don't give a shit.
Yeah, so Ricky Gervais doesn't have to give a shit.
He can, he can tell it like it is because of the financial security.
The same with the police, like who's in trouble every day now, it seems in
he's, he's far right, Knut.
He's far right,
Yeah, yeah.
You saw, um, Elon, I mean, on this, um, whatever you think about
Elon and what, what his motive, but his, um, go fuck yourself.
I thought that was,
Oh, it's so, so funny.
it was so good.
And so the, the audience going, hey, hey, hey, hey, it's like, Hey.
It was fresh air.
It was a breath of fresh air.
You're going to blackmail me with money?
And then he people saying and trying to shape, people shaping,
doing evil, doing force for good, the Disney, we're going to do good.
And then they use blackmail, and it's, which is evil.
And the way they're doing it is they're making it look like it's good.
Um, the, there was a debate.
It's a great debate.
Hitchens, Hitchens, Hitchens.
Christopher Hitchens, I believe the, the, the, not the brother
who's still alive, Hitchens and a fantastic debate, uh, incredible, uh,
I listen to him quite often and he did a debate where one side was step.
The church is a force for good, and his was, it's a force for evil.
Right?
You've seen that one.
And
Yeah, those with Stephen Fry, right?
that's right.
Yeah.
Um, incredible debate.
And what, what struck me again, is this idea that whenever you try and use your
mind or your beliefs to construct good, You create the opposite in this reality
and so he was saying how, like, the church is a force for evil and he won the debate.
I mean, it was, it was a very strong position.
And so I didn't really care for the religious or, you know, but his, his
mind was absolutely like a laser beam.
And then it was like, oh, again, people using their beliefs to try and shape it.
They always create the opposite.
Hamster wheel.
Yeah.
If you want a good dose, if you want a good dose of Hitchens, people, you should
go listen to his, uh, rants about Henry Kissinger, who recently passed away.
Very Uh, well, entertaining is the wrong word, but insightful.
so, so yeah.
And I think there's so much truth to that, Rob, like that, the, the
road to hell is paved with good intentions, and that's everything.
If you try to control other people's behavior, you're inherently evil.
Like that's, that's not a good act, uh, regardless of the intentions of it.
Individual freedom, everything has to start and end there, because
it's the only way to be fair.
Like, who gets to decide what a good society looks like?
I mean, it's individual, it's subjective, everything
that's why Sylvia set up and plugging her project.
When we look at our
Oh yeah, how's that going?
so a place to be, um, Is
It'll be a place for children it's just a space for children
to direct their own learning.
So, yeah.
There's no coercion.
They can come or not.
There will be lots of different learning environments and different people.
Pablo will be doing, there'll be a coding tent, hopefully bringing over a robotics
guy, even at some point, um, you know, learning how to start fires and not, not
good fires, not bad fires, like, uh, Uh, you know, and so it's just going to be a
place where kids are allowed to thrive.
And the fascinating thing for me, having two kids that are raised this
way is the less input you put into them, the more they expand and flourish.
The more I try and say, Hey, you should do it like that.
They, they definitely resist any, and they shut down and then you're
limiting their creative possibility.
And.
It's so counterintuitive, as always, and all my family are teachers, by the way,
so, you know, my dad comes over, love him to bits with his wife, and this, they
bought them a science kit, and they're playing with it, and he comes in and
says, no, no, no, you have, look, if you take it like this, and my wife's like,
Don't, please don't tell them what to do.
They will.
And if they ask for help, then you give it, but you see what they do.
And they, maybe they do the wrong thing with it, but
they're learning how to do it.
If you tell them what to do, you're taking away an opportunity for them to learn.
It blows my mind.
I'm set up in the conditioned hamster wheel of, you need teachers to teach
you, and you, you have to, um, memorize and all of that, and it's, now I see it
as a, it's not a scam, I don't want to be negative, it's just the way it was
before, it served a purpose, but now, um, Kids are not able to problem solve.
So the, the, the, the core values of the place to be are, um, self directed
and, uh, children, their, their self, their right to self determination.
And those core values are like imprinted in the soil and then you can do different
things on top and they can, you know, we put Bitcoin miners in the domes
there, let's say, to heat them and we can do what the fundamentals are, you
know, you know, if the kid's punching another kid, you separate them and
explain if the kid continues to be violent, like, you know, there has to be
rules and responsibilities, not chaos.
but children are treated seriously.
So that, that kind of ties in with the, um, you know, where
does the shaping start of society?
Well, it's in, it starts real early in school and it, and it's
just getting worse at the moment.
Yeah, the only real school subject is obedience.
That's, that's what they're awarded for.
And the, some of my clients who are very successful businessmen now, one
of them went to prison for a very long time because he started a foot
school and they told him what to do.
He goes, fuck you.
I'm not.
You don't tell me what to do.
So he became a problem kid because he didn't like being told what to do forced.
And then he got kicked out of school.
And he goes, fuck you to society.
And they, yeah.
And he kept on trying to control him until he went, okay, I'm going to do
really big crime, you know, which is, you know, he realizes it was a mistake.
And he went to prison for a very long time.
And now we were talking about it.
He goes, I just didn't like being told what to do.
And I didn't like.
I'm not that type of person, you know, so it makes me wonder how many kids,
there are certain kids that get crushed.
I would say I was one of them.
I just melted into and just went along with it going, what the fuck's
going on and enjoy playing sport.
But there are kids who just go, no, and they resist and they, they.
Get, you know, they either somehow find a path into, uh, self determination
or they get into the wrong side of the society and they're branded as bad.
You know,
I know, I was one of them, and I would say a bit of both is true in my case.
yeah,
Luke, do you have anything on your mind, like any questions for Rob
that you've been thinking about here throughout the conversations?
Well, I've really enjoyed the walkthrough of your take on on all of this, uh,
this, well, the background of your, your, your book, everything you're working
on there, this hamster wheel concept.
Maybe I'd actually just ask you to, because we sort of flowed.
into this.
Can, can you give a, like a really brief couple of minutes of, of what is
the core lesson that your, your book and, and everything you're working
on is, is trying to tell people?
Just, just as some, as summation is, is what I, what I'm, what I'm getting.
what, what I see is that we create our reality.
There's no separation from the external world in front of you to the internal.
The internal is, is, uh, software like the mind, let's say it's
all of human conditioning.
But we are, we have these cogs, these hamster wheels that, because of our
particular, my particular childhood or yours or other people's, set up
the hamster wheels in a certain order and jam them over to one side that
creates your behavior in this reality.
So that might be, you are a world champion fighter.
And you render everyone helpless and unable.
And so you're so incredibly able and that's how you get love.
But you are completely unable in other areas.
The wheels always have to be balanced.
That's just the nature.
It always balances out.
So if you think you can control and always be able, because you're using
your mind, the centralized mind, you're going to get the opposite.
So.
What I see is we have this baseline, uh, operating system,
base layer that creates our reality.
Up from that, the emotions filter into our body and get, uh, stuffed into our body,
shut down, suppression, and those We can or block the natural electrical energy
flows in our body, which the Chinese understood as meridians thousands of years
ago, which, um, the, the top researcher in mitochondrial research in America, Douglas
Wallace, I listened to his, um, lecture.
A few months ago on Mitt Mitochondrial system and, and a disease.
And at the end he said 85.
And some people, um, disagree with him and think it's higher.
85% of all diseases are caused by dysfunction in the mitochondrial
system, not the gen gene system.
not genetics, but in the mitochondrial system.
And then his last side was, oh, and by the way, I'm setting up a clinic
in China because I think mitochondrial system are the meridian systems.
And I was like, this is what I've always thought.
So the science is starting to go, Oh, shit, these are electrical systems.
Isn't that what the Chinese been talking about for a couple of thousands of years?
So, if you come back to that base layer, it filters up.
So that's the soil and it filters up into the body.
The emotions from those create disease via the mitochondrial system
dysfunction, or you can call it meridians.
And that's.
Traditional Chinese medicine, although they're more based on functioning on the,
not so much the mental side, they'll, they will pass that over to Taoist principles,
which is non doing observation.
So it filters up, it creates disease.
So my point being disease and mental health problems and terrible
life, you know, suffering in life.
So my, my book and my work is here to show.
How to work on the physical by connecting to your own operating system of 1s and
0s, so electrical 1 and 0 electrical systems, switching them back on.
So that's my work that I've spent 20 years working and I work with people with
cancer, you know, all types of illnesses.
It comes back to that, but I'm always trying to go to the base layer.
And look at what is, what are the programs and the software that are
projecting your life out there.
And so, to, to summarize, that is all within your control.
And I say control, I mean, you, you're not a slave to the pharmaceutical
industry, the medical industry, that's all broken incentives.
You can go within, you can control.
Understand your conditioning and dissolve it and change yourself,
which will change your body.
If you have problems in your body, you need to go into the non physical, uh,
into the mind and find out why you do.
So that position is, uh, the complete opposite to the medical profession
that says, um, you know, sometimes you need to, surgery, but, um, diseases
starts in, in the non physical.
For me
All right.
Yeah, that's, uh, yeah, that's a fascinating stuff.
And I assume we can, we can see, read more about this in your current book
and the one you have upcoming, right?
yeah.
So the, the book that, uh, Knut has got, that's a kind of a, an explanation
teaser on how we move from a centralized mind that hence the wheel that we've
been talking about into observing that central, observing the centralized
mind, which is decentralized mind.
So anyone, you, Luke, or anyone, if they wanted to, they
immediately start doing that.
You're starting to change yourself.
It's there for everyone.
It's their own.
It's like their own property.
That's your own property and you're in charge.
Okay.
So there's your own authority.
And the book that I'm writing, I'll make that into a second edition.
I'm going to expand that book.
The other book is more for a healing book for the more
spiritual or health and fitness.
Um, market.
And so I'll, it's really my work where I am, but I'll be bringing
probably a mention of Bitcoin into it.
Uh, or whenever I do a podcast, I'll, I bring up Bitcoin because
I think, uh, one helps the other.
They're synergistic, or maybe Knut, it's something even more, um, special.
I don't know.
It's like an anchor.
Yeah, Mind Decentralized Becoming Masterless is available from bitcoinbook.
shop.
Which is where you'll also find all my books.
And Rob, thank you very much for coming on to the show with us.
Looking forward to co writing Liver Decentralized with
you in Madeira in March.
And, uh, uh, see you there.
And, uh, yeah, have a great rest of your life, as we say on this show, because we
think the rest of the day is too short.
So, until we meet again.
Thanks, Knut.
Thanks, Luke.
uh, Knut, uh, jumped the gun just slightly.
Anywhere else you'd like to, to redirect our listeners to, to, to check out
your stuff or find out more about
Yeah, I have a website, RobRindead.
com.
I'm on Twitter quite a lot and Instagram, YouTube, again, under RobRindead.
RobRindead.
Very good.
We'll include all that information.
Yep.
And now I will say, Rob, have a great rest of your life.
And this has been the Freedom Footprint Show.
Thanks for listening.