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I do think I have good meaning for life.

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It's just that I feel like things are way too easy.

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I had this thought in my mind, years ago, that would be like really awesome to work

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on Bitcoin things and not really have to have, a fiat job Well, I got that.

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Then I also realized when I got a little bit deeper into Bitcoin stuff

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that I really want to, focus on doing something really, really meaningful.

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And I, feel like working on Bitcoin and especially like

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working on Bitcoin privacy.

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is probably one of the most urgent things that we should be working on

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Welcome back to the Freedom Footprint show.

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Today's guest is our good friend Rafe from Wasabi.

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And this is the second time on the show.

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If you want an introduction to Rafe and everything that he's up

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to, check out the first episode.

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But today we want to talk about anything and everything.

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So, Rafe, welcome back to the Freedom Footprint show.

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Great to have you as always.

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Luke.

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Thank you, Knut.

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Like, it's also like, really awesome to be talking with you guys again.

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Yeah, great to have you back, uh, uh, Rafael, and, uh, you're already

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on Madeira, as we understand it.

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yeah, there's this sovereign engineering cohort, uh, that has been going on over

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here, like, already for like, 6 weeks.

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I mean, I just came in, uh, like, 2 weeks ago, but it's really, really awesome.

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Like, there's, you know, like, 25 Nostr and Bitcoin builders basically in here

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just creating havoc and, you know, trying to orange pill the whole island.

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And I mean, it's actually going pretty well.

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Uh, fantastic.

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It's Gigi and Pablo's project, right?

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Uh, yes, yes, they are mainly running it.

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Yeah, sounds, sounds absolutely fantastic.

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Yeah, I mean, this is a really nice paradise island, so like, if

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you can take a little bit of your time to come over here before the

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conference or to stay after it, I think it's going to be worth it.

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yeah.

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Uh, and you.

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You have a bunch of topics that you want to talk to us about today, and I looked

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through the notes there, and it sounds really, really interesting, so I think

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we can just start getting into stuff here, because, like, these are topics

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that just excite me by just reading them.

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So, the first point on that list is censorship, and I guess

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Uh, or no, the first point is it doesn't not matter who I am.

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Um, all right, I'll, I'll take it away, Rafa.

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I mean, this is the first thing of like, you know, it doesn't matter who I am.

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It's just the thing that I've always wanted to say.

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And I always wonder, like, you know, How, I mean, it's totally normal that in

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every podcast you're being asked, like, you know, who you are and what do you do?

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It's an important context for the viewer or the listener, but it's also

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something that a little bit bothers me that no one is actually saying it out

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loud, or at least I haven't heard it whenever they are asked that question,

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that it doesn't matter who I am.

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Like, whatever

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well, that's the thing.

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I'm still kind of figuring it out, but, the point is basically

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that, like, what I'm saying is the thing that should matter.

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It's not really about who I am or who is saying it.

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Like, if the things that I'm saying out there, like, if they make sense.

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That's the only thing to care about.

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Who said it or where or when or something like that.

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I mean, it might help you to get a little bit more of that similar

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type of content or something, but in general, people should not be looking

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into like, you know, some kind of titles or, or anything like that.

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No, no, no, I, I, I totally agree.

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It's an ego dropping thing.

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And this is one of the most refreshing things about the

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Bitcoin space in comparison to the fiat space that, that I know.

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Like when I started working in an office and fiat job.

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Like, before I, I had a title, or like, before I climbed the hierarchy

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ladders, uh, before I started climbing them, like, no one was listening to me.

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Because it's all about like, uh, titles and, and stuff.

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And I think a lot of institutions are that way too.

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So, so like, um, but Bitcoin is, it's so refreshing because like, everything that

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matters is ideas and merits and like, it's, it's a true meritocracy in that way.

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People don't really care about your back, background as long as

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you have something clever to say.

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And like, Satoshi is the prime example of that.

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Like, nobody even knows if he has a master's degree or If it's

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flipping burgers, or if it was flipping burgers, and nobody cares

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because the idea was good enough.

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Is that what you're thinking of when you say it doesn't matter who I am?

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Yes, exactly.

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And it's just like, you know, I'm really glad that Luke, now you basically just

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gave me exactly like, you know, the good introduction where I don't have to go

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ahead and try to even explain like, you know, who I am or what I do or anything,

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just like in Twitter, I just have in my bio, like, I'm just another pleb.

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Like, it doesn't really matter.

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But yeah, this was just like, you know, a small nuance that

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I wanted to throw out there.

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Like, if, you know, Luke would be asking me to introduce myself.

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Yeah, there's, there's been and forth, like people in Bitcoin have different

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opinions on The role of the ego.

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So some people want us to drop our egos completely.

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And there's a, there's a very good reason for doing that because most of

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the time your ego is what's actually hindering you from getting ahead in life.

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Like being shy is just as much of an ego thing as being.

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narcissistic in a way, because if you're shy, that's also a vanity thing.

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Like you're not giving the world the parts of you that you could give away.

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Like you could, you could be more open.

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You could be more.

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But for, for egotistical reasons, you're not.

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So, so I think like, uh, there's more to dropping your ego than

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just not being a narcissist.

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um, then, then you have people like Svetsky, for instance, arguing

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for that ego is a very good thing.

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And it's a, it's a powerful force in people and it should

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be embraced rather than dropped.

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So what, what are your views on ego in general?

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I mean, that's a very good question.

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And I mean, I kind of totally understand both points of view.

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Um, like it's, at least for me personally, I try to totally exactly like kill my ego

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every now and then, uh, because I feel like it makes me think a bit more clear.

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Like, I mean, maybe this is a good segue to, to kind of like the, the topic

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of, you know, human relationships and like, you know, how our brains work.

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Uh, but at least in my opinion, ego is kind of like a part of the automatic self.

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So there's this book, uh, that I might have mentioned to you guys

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before thinking fast and slow.

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Which is really, really, really, like, worth reading, but it basically gives

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out this, like, idea, or at least how I took it was that it's not really

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about, like, you know, humans being fully conscious or, like, 100 percent

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all the time there, it's that it's, We have just a glimpse of consciousness and

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majority of our time, majority of our actions and our day basically goes just

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like through automation, just through our habits, just like with animals.

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There's just these, let's say like 5 percent of the time we get this

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glimpse of consciousness where we actually think of like, you know,

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what, like we can think back or, uh, like look forward or, or whatever.

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Well, ego is a bit more of those, like, automation related things.

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It's kind of, you are building up this, like, small story of yourself and what

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you are and what you do over here.

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And, I mean, you can think of it consciously, too, but it's just

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something that, like, automation basically, like, activates the ego

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and pushes you to move into certain directions or make certain decisions.

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And I think it is important.

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but I myself personally, like I would, I would want to focus on just the like

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cognitive side and actually thinking things through without like, you

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know, just the personal lens of mine, which of course is important too, but

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Yeah, it's a hard, it's a hard thing to do though, to be as objective as possible.

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But I guess, like, we have minds, all three of us, that like doing

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that, I mean, we wouldn't be into mathematics and praxeology and stuff

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if we didn't, we wouldn't, we probably wouldn't be bitcoiners, I think

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that's sort of prerequisite, uh, for Mo for, for real Bitcoin curiosity.

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Uh, at least, Yeah.

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Dan Daniel Kahneman.

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Was that the guy, Daniel Kahneman?

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Was that the, the, uh, the guy who wrote the book?

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I, I think I read half that book, but it was a long, long time ago.

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So, uh, uh, I'll have to reread it sometime.

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yeah, and it's also kind of like hard to read or I mean, I, I tend to listen to it

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like in, you know, audio books, but that book was something where I actually had

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to take like a pen and paper and like, you know, write some things and numbers down.

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So I actually understand the.

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The examples and, you know, things that the book had over there, but it's to me,

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at least it's definitely like one of the most powerful books that I've read, like

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understanding human biases and what we're kind of like, you know, like programmed

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to do as just another life form.

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you just give us, tell us more about that?

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Like, more about what you learned there?

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So, um, I mean, the book is about basically, well, at least how I took it.

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I mean, many people seem to have a little bit different ideas about, like, what

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the book is trying to say over there.

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Uh, but at least to me, it's kind of like, you know, uh, acknowledging how there is

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basically like two selves in our heads.

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side, like, and it's kind of like the one that can actually think, you

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know, in the past, and it can look into the future, look into the, like,

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the current situation and everything.

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It's the one that kind of like, the most people seem to be thinking

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that that's their own, like, self.

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uh, but it's like the book is basically saying that, you know, for a majority

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of the things that you're doing, uh, throughout the day, it's not really that

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you have cognitively decided to do so.

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Like, for example, if I smoke a cigarette, majority of the time, it's just automated.

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Like, it's something that triggered me.

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like, why am I smoking this?

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in, in traffic or like, you know, with the car, that's usually something

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cognitive side to actually remember, like, you know, how do you drive a car?

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So, for example, with a car, we have probably all been in there,

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like, you know, seen or felt the situation where you're driving.

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that task and your cognitive side never had to even like wake up.

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but yeah, it also kind of like talks about how there is a lot of these like

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biases basically like built into us.

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Like, you know, of course we have all kinds of like confirmation biases.

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We don't want to, or like, it's easier for us to try to look for

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information that kind of like, you know.

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Confirms our expectations, our thoughts, our wants than to actually see it like,

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you know, very realistically, all the actual research and, you know, the

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things also pointing how we are wrong.

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yeah, I think you'd just love our episode with Volker Herminghaus

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from a couple of weeks back.

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It's about consciousness and free will, and if we have it or not, and like,

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where does it come from, and how we can't really It can't really be our

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conscious side of the brain that has the free will, because it has a delay of 0.

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So when you think you're making a decision, the decision has

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already been made for you by your brain, like, before you Before

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you consciously make the decision.

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So where is the decision?

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And how could the decision even be made?

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Like, wouldn't the synapses have to go back and forth in time in order for there

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to actually be such a thing as free will?

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Like, it's exactly saying how these two different parts of your brain, it's not

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exactly like parts, but let's just say like, you know, two different personas

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in your head or something like that, the automated and the cognitive one, they have

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totally different opinions about things.

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Like, I mean, I'm just kind of like putting it out in this way, but like,

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for example, you know, your cognitive side is probably the one who's

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actually thinking of like, okay, I should go ahead and start working out.

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And, you know, like, I should eat better or, or whatever, but it's like, you know,

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that's cognitive side is not that strong.

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It's not that active all the time.

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And majority of the time you go with the automation and the automation is lazy.

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Like, I mean, it's.

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Yeah.

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It also just goes, you know, doesn't want to go to a gym and doesn't

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just want to order some burgers.

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It's kind of two, two totally different personas that are fighting inside

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your head, like, you know, for like, and wanting totally different things.

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Yeah, this is so cool that you brought this up, because this is actually

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A part of a chapter for a new book I'm writing at the time, and the

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chapter is called Mind Over Matter.

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And the first thing that comes to mind, before diving into that, is the

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impression of a Donald Duck cartoon, where there's an angel Donald Duck and

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a devil Donald Duck above his head.

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And they're having an argument of what to do.

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And I guess the angel side is the more thinking side, and the

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devil side is just the impulse.

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Side that wants to do, wants to have that extra cigarette

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and not do the push ups, right?

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So, so, and I think that's why that works so well, because it's a perfect metaphor.

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It feels like a dichotomy, it feels like two different sides of

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yourself, but, but you're both Dr.

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Jekyll and Mr.

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Hyde, you aren't just one aspect of it, And the thing, the thing with the

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There's so much here, we've had some great conversations on the show about

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how, to which extent the mind creates reality and stuff, I don't know if you

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heard that, but like about you choose to focus on becomes your actual subjective

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reality, like the example Jeff Boothgay was, if you're in a crowded room and

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someone even whispers your name, your attention instantly focuses on that.

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Uh, voice that just whispered your name and all of the other parts

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of the conversation going on in the party is just white noise, but

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you hear this one signal perfectly clear because you're focused on it.

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So focus and attention creates reality to a much larger extent than we expect.

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And what is objective reality?

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It's just where our memes collide and where, where these consciousnesses Crash

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into one another, and if you take, like, theory of relativity into that, and,

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you know, time space, and time being relative to, uh, to what speed you

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have throughout, through the universe and stuff, Uh, and it's everything

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being points on a 4D plane, and, like, is linear time even a real thing?

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and then bake in some quantum mechanics and you know, these, um, particles that

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have entanglement through space and through time, uh, could particles, they at

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least suspect that they're, uh, um, from what I know that they're entangled through

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time and also, and not only through space.

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So could that have something to do with free will?

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That, that a thought can actually go back in time?

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I don't know, but I, I love the subject.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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I have an opinion.

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Like, yeah, I should definitely, uh, like read more about this

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kind of, you know, topics,

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I can recommend a couple of things after the show.

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yeah, I, uh, I mentioned that, um, you know, space time and the, one of the

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points on your list here is Einstein.

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So what did, what did you want to talk about about Einstein?

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Oh, okay.

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So, I mean, we have to go a little bit back, maybe like now a lot, like we'll

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get to Einstein maybe a bit, a bit later now, but I kind of wanted to challenge

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you guys because I heard that you, you guys are kind of like both, um, you know,

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like pro kids and pro family, right?

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Um, yeah, we both have

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Yeah, yeah,

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families.

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Yeah.

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yeah, like, and in our last episode, we basically, like, you know, very much

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agreed on the foolishness of, well, like, you know, a lot of the religious stuff

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and everything, and I thought that maybe, like, this is something that we can

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actually, like, debate a little bit about, and this is just, like, really, really

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difficult topic to talk about, because everyone who's going to say or would say

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the things that I'm going to be saying can be seen as, you know, like, very

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asshole, because My point is basically like, you know, that I, I'm not saying

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that people should not have families or girlfriends or like, you know, a very,

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like, you know, nice kids and everything.

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I just think that for a majority of the cases, it's just a stupid accident.

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And it's just that we have exactly that weird confirmation bias where it's so

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difficult for us to kind of, you know, like, admit when we've done something,

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let's say, not that smart, and we're kind of stuck with our, like, you

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know, stupid, like, maybe automation, uh, like, you know, based decisions.

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So, like, I'm not saying that, you know, all kids that are out there, all

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families are made by, like, you know, like, that is a result of foolishness.

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No, I'm just saying that just like, for example, you know, for beavers,

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it's like a hard coded thing for them to go ahead and build dams.

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For example, it's not something that their mom teaches them or something like that.

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No, you can take a baby beaver out of the, you know, like the mom beaver right away.

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When it gets born,

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out to the mom.

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like a house.

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out to the mom.

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Beaver's, beaver, you mean?

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Yeah.

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like, you know, the beaver will start actually like, you know, gathering up

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some like toys, uh, like kid toys and starting to put them in the hallways.

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And even the beaver itself seems to be confused of like,

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why the fuck am I doing this?

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But like, in the same way that the beaver has these, you know, like maybe hard

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coded things, uh, features in its genes.

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We, of course, as humans, just like with beavers too, we have basically the, like

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the hard coded feature of reproduction.

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So like, yeah.

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Any life form out there, like, either they will have to become immortal or be

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immortal, or they will have to learn to reproduce, or they will cease to exist.

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So, you know, like, for us, for example, wanting to have a family or wanting to

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have kids, it's not really a cognitively rational decision for most of the cases.

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It's, it's just like automation.

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And at least from my experience, going with your automation and your

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emotions into these kind of like big decisions, like, for example, like,

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you know, forming a relationship or having kids that has probably caused

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like more problems than actual benefits.

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Uh, like, so what I'm trying to say here is that people should, should

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kind of be aware of these hard coded.

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Like, you know, features, uh, in our genes, basically, to try to reproduce, but

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how it's just another emotion out there.

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Yeah, maybe I'll, I'll start with that one.

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Uh, we'll get into like, probably like deeper parts of this.

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Exactly.

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there's a word for that before, for the morality of not having kids.

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Like the, there's a, uh, a philosophical ethical case for, for not reproducing.

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And it's from this really kind of dark and depressing school of thought

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where, where, where you admit to yourself and everyone else that life

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is more suffering than it is happiness.

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Basically, and that everyone's, everyone's final days will probably suck more

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than, it'll probably not be worth it.

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That's the, as far as I understand it, this is the premise of that

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worldview, that the pain of death is definitely not worth it.

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Um.

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Especially not if you take this relativistic time into the equation

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and everything exists everywhere at once and stuff, so, yeah.

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Then again, uh, free will and stuff, and we can't stop it

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because it was an instinct.

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And, uh, we're, we're stuck with it so we better do the best we can with it.

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Uh, I don't know, uh I mean, I think these things are worth

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thinking about, definitely.

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And, uh, I think there's certainly, I think every parent thinks that

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there's a certain aspect of kids being the, just a sexual hangover.

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And maybe, like when you get, when you get the kid, first kid.

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You very quickly realize that, holy shit, I've made a move that I can't take back.

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I've done something that is very, very, much more irreversible than any

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other decision I've made in my life.

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Like, like everything else you can just apologize for and try to forget about.

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Like, but this one is hard to reverse.

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But that's also, also the beauty of it.

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You know, because, like, um, it, to me it makes Uh, well, it's, it

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doesn't make life more meaningful.

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That's bullshit.

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But it does, uh, it does give, uh, it, it does give you a, uh, person

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to give the existential baton too, so that you don't have to worry about

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it anymore, if you know what I mean.

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uh, and, and that feels good.

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Like, okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I haven't figured it out yet.

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You do it.

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Good luck, bye.

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That's sort of And I think that if people were more honest, they would admit that,

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that it's a lot about, you know, giving the existential baton to the next on this,

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well said.

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And just to also clarify, like, I don't have, you know, like this very,

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like what you mentioned, you know, the very grim view of, uh, like, you know,

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world that you should not create kids because the life is more of suffering.

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I mean, that part, I agree.

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Life is probably like, you know, in some way.

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uh, like the more you're cognitively awake, the more you probably will be

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suffering, you know, in the, in the world.

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Uh, but like, I don't think like even I, for myself, like currently, you

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know, like I am single and I don't have kids, but I have nothing against it.

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And I actually still am like, you know, hopeful, romantic, and that I hope that

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I actually can find someone like, you know, a good girl that I can, you know,

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like be with, and maybe even have kids and actually be happy and all of that.

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The likelihood of it is relatively, let's say like pretty low, like just being

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a bitcorner itself, kind of like, you know, let's say like makes the amount

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of possible girls who can actually like, you know, accept you as you are, uh,

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like it makes it like smaller, um, plus all the other stuff, of course, but,

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uh, like in general, also like exactly, you know, what you said about like

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passing the baton to the next person.

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That's the thing.

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Why?

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I'm kind of a little bit disappointed whenever I see, you know, people

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saying that the, the main point of life is to have kids, I mean,

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could be, but then we get into the questions of like, okay, how many, why?

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And, you know, like, there's, there's a lot of things that usually are not

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really explainable properly, but like, especially for Bitcoiners and for like,

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you know, if we want to be really like fully responsible of our own lives, you

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Like, creating kids just because you're kind of like hoping that maybe he will

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figure something out and do something great is just very, like, weirdly kind

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of like trying to pass the responsibility to others, like, if you really see the

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things, you know, how they are and how bad they are, like, Creating, like not working

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on them yourself, like kind of going with these like, you know, animal instinct

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urges to go ahead and like, you know, fuck whatever moves or, you know, like things

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like that and get trapped, basically, like, if you have been like that, you

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know, a bit kind of like lazy, you're, you're kind of stuck with that life.

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And it's going to be harder for you to actually, you know, do something,

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let's say exactly like Einstein.

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Like, why I put it out there in the notes is basically exactly that, like, if you

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think that you are one of the smartest people out there, or like, especially,

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um, like the smartest ones, but even if you think that you are more, like, smarter

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than the average, like, why would you ever go ahead and basically, like, waste

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your time in playing house Basically, like, you know, that's what we're doing.

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Like girls used to play with Barbies and, you know, like do their teapots,

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uh, things and everything like that.

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The guys used to actually, you know, play with like action figures and

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try to do something heroic, like, you know, go into a war or, or whatever.

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Like now, whenever we grow up, even men, like, you know, kind of tends to go ahead

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and either explain to themselves or just, they prefer to just, you know, play house.

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Be nicely chilling in the sofa and watching Netflix instead of doing

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something really difficult, something crazy hard, just like Einstein or

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like Nikolai Tesla or whatever.

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Like they, they went and kind of resisted the urge to just go ahead

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and be stuck with a girl to be able to actually, you know, produce something

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really meaningful to their life.

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Um, because everything that you do is just a trade off with your time.

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Like all the relationships, it's just a time sink.

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And if you do choose or end up by accident into these time sinks, you will never be

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able to, like, you know, really control your time and put out as much effort as

451
00:29:25,492 --> 00:29:29,972
maybe would have been possible if you would not taken these automated actions.

452
00:29:46,152 --> 00:29:51,392
Uh, that is very seldom talked about because it's such a taboo, uh, topic, uh,

453
00:29:51,412 --> 00:29:57,092
but a by product of women getting into the workforce, uh, because when, what

454
00:29:57,122 --> 00:30:01,682
we really did when, when, uh, you know, letting women into the workforce and

455
00:30:01,682 --> 00:30:07,632
letting them have, uh, voting rights and whatever, is that we, we, uh, Switched

456
00:30:07,642 --> 00:30:15,062
out the alleged patriarch, the, the, the family father, or the alleged, um,

457
00:30:16,162 --> 00:30:19,622
patriarch is not the right word because that has kind of a positive connotation

458
00:30:19,622 --> 00:30:27,778
in my ears, but like, uh, the alleged, um, Oppressor, the Patriarch Dad, with

459
00:30:27,788 --> 00:30:34,036
the real oppressor, the Patriarch State, which is oppressing everyone by stealing

460
00:30:34,036 --> 00:30:37,566
their stuff and making them stuck in these hamster's wheels and having to

461
00:30:37,696 --> 00:30:42,696
do their chores over and over again and everyone becomes, as you say, they're

462
00:30:42,696 --> 00:30:44,436
too tired to do anything after work day.

463
00:30:45,271 --> 00:30:49,191
They just sit on the sofa and watch Netflix and do, have no ambition with

464
00:30:49,191 --> 00:30:54,431
their lives and so I, I think it's somewhat connected to, just fiat in,

465
00:30:54,461 --> 00:31:01,371
in general that we've, um, we're, we're not incentivized to, to, to pursue

466
00:31:01,421 --> 00:31:06,641
higher goals and the more socialistic our societies become and the more you

467
00:31:06,641 --> 00:31:11,986
get punished for being, uh, bold, I mean, you get what you pay for if you

468
00:31:11,986 --> 00:31:17,696
pay social, if you have a big social security network, you're paying people

469
00:31:17,696 --> 00:31:19,466
to sit on the sofa and watch Netflix.

470
00:31:19,956 --> 00:31:24,716
So, so I think there's a lot to that, that we're, we're incentivizing

471
00:31:24,736 --> 00:31:29,206
people to, to not be ambitious, to not be brave, and to not be heroic.

472
00:31:29,226 --> 00:31:33,186
Uh, we're incentivizing people to sit home and watch Netflix, as

473
00:31:33,186 --> 00:31:35,056
you say, and eat cheese doodles.

474
00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:35,939
Yep.

475
00:31:36,379 --> 00:31:40,459
I mean, I think the thing is exactly like, you know, I mean, it's

476
00:31:40,489 --> 00:31:44,039
understandable why people went into a lot of these different relationships,

477
00:31:44,059 --> 00:31:45,629
especially like back, you know.

478
00:31:46,064 --> 00:31:50,734
Back, you know, like, uh, some years ago when we didn't have, like, you know, all

479
00:31:50,734 --> 00:31:54,584
of these weird services that government nowadays provides and everything.

480
00:31:54,974 --> 00:31:59,774
So I do understand that there's, there's certain reasons why people

481
00:31:59,784 --> 00:32:03,934
would have, like, you know, out of need or, or everything, like, you know, to.

482
00:32:04,589 --> 00:32:07,449
To kind of like, you know, marry or have kids, you know, to just have some

483
00:32:07,449 --> 00:32:12,219
people to take care of the land or the farm or, or whatever, but like, for,

484
00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:17,499
like, nowadays for majority of people, it seems like women don't need men and

485
00:32:17,499 --> 00:32:19,609
men don't need women, like, there is.

486
00:32:20,709 --> 00:32:25,009
Only like, you know, the, the weird animal urge that we still have for the

487
00:32:25,009 --> 00:32:28,239
opposite sex, maybe it's some weird hormones or whatever, but like, let's

488
00:32:28,239 --> 00:32:31,729
say, you know, like, previously, if it was for men, like, you know, that to have,

489
00:32:31,729 --> 00:32:35,969
like, you know, someone nice, uh, like, you know, walking around, maybe doing

490
00:32:35,969 --> 00:32:40,369
some food or like, you know, cleaning the house or something like that, no,

491
00:32:40,369 --> 00:32:42,069
you can just hire people now for that.

492
00:32:42,219 --> 00:32:45,159
Like, you don't need an actual girlfriend to get, you know,

493
00:32:45,169 --> 00:32:46,329
those kind of things done.

494
00:32:46,654 --> 00:32:49,634
And even for sex, like there's a lot of services, like you don't

495
00:32:49,634 --> 00:32:51,294
need girl for the sex part too.

496
00:32:51,514 --> 00:32:55,974
It's now just about this, like, you know, story that we have been told to

497
00:32:55,994 --> 00:32:58,054
that we should be in a relationship.

498
00:32:58,054 --> 00:33:02,084
And there is, you know, some perfect girl out there or like a guy or whatever.

499
00:33:02,394 --> 00:33:09,344
I just feel like, you know, it's more understandable nowadays if people

500
00:33:10,544 --> 00:33:14,834
don't go into relationships because there's no need for it anymore.

501
00:33:16,774 --> 00:33:18,264
Or like, other than the reproduction part,

502
00:33:18,707 --> 00:33:22,897
but I have a slightly different viewpoint here, and that is that we're, we're

503
00:33:24,082 --> 00:33:27,922
I'm tempted to think that we don't need a relationship and that we don't

504
00:33:27,922 --> 00:33:30,852
need spouses, but it's not really true.

505
00:33:30,852 --> 00:33:35,322
It's just very convenient for the people in charge to have us think

506
00:33:35,362 --> 00:33:38,135
that these things are not necessary.

507
00:33:38,465 --> 00:33:42,845
But like, to become a sovereign individual, truly sovereign individual,

508
00:33:42,845 --> 00:33:46,915
I really think you do need a wife to take care of the kids and do the

509
00:33:46,915 --> 00:33:51,125
dishes and all of this boring stuff so you can provide for the family.

510
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,450
And those are, like, these are very traditional values, but I think that

511
00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:59,870
there's, there's something to this that got lost along the way, I mean, I, I think

512
00:33:59,950 --> 00:34:03,240
people should be allowed to do whatever they want, and if women want to have a

513
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,130
career instead of having kids, like, go ahead, I have nothing against that, but

514
00:34:07,130 --> 00:34:12,485
I think with that whole package Now that every girl is, like, expected to have a

515
00:34:12,485 --> 00:34:18,870
career on top of being a mother, and guys are expected to do motherly chores, uh,

516
00:34:18,890 --> 00:34:23,360
like, that's something got lost along the way there, and we sort of live in

517
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,890
this Fake reality that we think we can live without one another, but you, if

518
00:34:27,890 --> 00:34:31,920
you want to be a sovereign, and if you want to be able to support yourself and

519
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:37,470
stuff, have a citadel and a farm and stuff, you probably couldn't do that

520
00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:42,180
without the proper wife, and vice versa.

521
00:34:43,185 --> 00:34:44,785
Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's the thing.

522
00:34:44,785 --> 00:34:49,665
Like, I, like I said, I would personally love to have exactly like, you know, a

523
00:34:49,665 --> 00:34:53,655
good girl and have, you know, like, a nice little ranch or something like that.

524
00:34:54,215 --> 00:35:00,235
But at least, like, I totally get why.

525
00:35:00,865 --> 00:35:05,135
It's kind of like difficult for even like, you know, women to go on with that

526
00:35:05,185 --> 00:35:10,515
deal nowadays, like, you know, this is something that it's like, it's maybe like

527
00:35:10,515 --> 00:35:16,571
a little bit weird, but I wonder how a lot of the women, especially before this

528
00:35:16,571 --> 00:35:23,241
modern medicine and, you know, science, how the hell, or like, it's definitely

529
00:35:23,241 --> 00:35:29,286
not like conscious decision to go ahead and like make kids Uh, other than for

530
00:35:29,286 --> 00:35:32,566
like, you know, benefiting from them basically, like in some way, but like,

531
00:35:32,566 --> 00:35:36,776
just imagine how weird it was and how risky it was back then for a woman to

532
00:35:36,786 --> 00:35:41,146
actually like put out like a watermelon sized thingy out of their pussy.

533
00:35:41,406 --> 00:35:45,296
Like it's a huge risk, like the baby might die.

534
00:35:45,446 --> 00:35:46,256
You might die.

535
00:35:46,496 --> 00:35:46,736
Like.

536
00:35:47,076 --> 00:35:50,276
There's a huge amount of like, you know, problems in there.

537
00:35:50,606 --> 00:35:54,836
And basically, like, I wonder why didn't women kind of like, see

538
00:35:54,846 --> 00:35:58,566
men as some kind of like virus injectors, basically, at that point,

539
00:35:58,916 --> 00:36:01,206
like, it was it was crazy, weird.

540
00:36:01,206 --> 00:36:04,886
And like, I don't think that it's like a conscious decision.

541
00:36:05,106 --> 00:36:07,176
It's like the automation, the urge.

542
00:36:07,581 --> 00:36:10,971
If you want to reproduce that is hard coded in us that kind of like

543
00:36:10,981 --> 00:36:14,731
overcomes even the conscious side of like, this does not make sense.

544
00:36:14,751 --> 00:36:15,661
It has huge risks.

545
00:36:16,051 --> 00:36:17,861
They still go ahead and do it.

546
00:36:18,061 --> 00:36:21,141
And they say they want to do it because I think that it's the automation

547
00:36:21,141 --> 00:36:25,041
side, because cognitively, like, if you think about it, it's just.

548
00:36:25,881 --> 00:36:26,751
Makes no sense.

549
00:36:26,751 --> 00:36:30,241
It overcomes even your self preservation, like, you know, urge.

550
00:36:30,501 --> 00:36:34,241
You don't want to go ahead and take such a big risk for yourself and, like,

551
00:36:34,271 --> 00:36:35,661
put out the watermelon out of there.

552
00:36:36,132 --> 00:36:40,782
It's not the shape of a watermelon, just so you know, it comes out.

553
00:36:40,952 --> 00:36:41,292
yeah.

554
00:36:42,052 --> 00:36:43,322
Okay, thanks for clarifying.

555
00:36:44,036 --> 00:36:48,966
Still, it's a good metaphor, like, and, that sort of depends on your point of

556
00:36:48,966 --> 00:36:51,986
view as well, it is, not having kids.

557
00:36:52,701 --> 00:36:55,691
Means that you're, you're the end of your bloodline.

558
00:36:55,971 --> 00:36:59,921
Like that's, so it is existentially finished when you go.

559
00:37:00,891 --> 00:37:04,601
And you can say, yeah, but I don't care because I'll be dead and I won't care

560
00:37:04,601 --> 00:37:10,901
about, I won't give a fuck about shit when I'm dead, like, uh, but still,

561
00:37:11,561 --> 00:37:16,651
there is an existential, like I said, the existential baton, uh, that's, that's

562
00:37:17,251 --> 00:37:19,546
one Way to rationalize it, I guess.

563
00:37:20,186 --> 00:37:25,166
Uh, I mean, because if you think that life is more suffering than enjoyment,

564
00:37:25,206 --> 00:37:29,546
why not just go jump off a bridge tomorrow, like, and some people do!

565
00:37:29,786 --> 00:37:35,365
Uh, But I think there's definitely something to, you know, this, the,

566
00:37:35,655 --> 00:37:40,295
the family unit became a family unit for a reason, because that was how

567
00:37:40,295 --> 00:37:44,865
you survived, especially when women started to get pregnant around 17 or

568
00:37:44,865 --> 00:37:50,205
18 years of age, and then they produced kids until they were 50, like, uh.

569
00:37:51,085 --> 00:37:55,695
It's not that way anymore, and I've heard a lot of ideas about how, you know, these

570
00:37:55,945 --> 00:38:01,285
second and third order effects of the pill and what it has done to us, because in

571
00:38:01,285 --> 00:38:06,125
a way, like, modern women are the first cyborgs that are really, that we've really

572
00:38:06,135 --> 00:38:10,945
changed biologically, uh, at their core of what they, what they used to be and what

573
00:38:10,945 --> 00:38:17,425
they are now, they're a different thing, and yeah, I think there's, those downsides

574
00:38:17,455 --> 00:38:20,405
to that are not talked about enough,

575
00:38:22,972 --> 00:38:29,362
something here, I think the other side to this here, uh, it's a little

576
00:38:29,362 --> 00:38:33,352
bit fun when something like this happens, when I get to say these words.

577
00:38:33,702 --> 00:38:35,282
I disagree with Knut here.

578
00:38:37,837 --> 00:38:41,437
And, and, uh, it's, it's, it's fun because I've, I've started to, uh,

579
00:38:41,447 --> 00:38:46,637
explore some ideas off campus, off the Freedom Footprint show campus, uh,

580
00:38:46,827 --> 00:38:50,377
especially these days I'm doing, I'm doing a series on Jordan Peterson's Maps

581
00:38:50,377 --> 00:38:56,807
of Meaning on, uh, Robert Breedlove's show, uh, and, and we, we, we actually

582
00:38:56,807 --> 00:39:00,207
did a rip last night, and so this stuff is kind of fresh in my mind.

583
00:39:00,697 --> 00:39:03,737
The, I, I think kids do give.

584
00:39:04,287 --> 00:39:06,957
Meaning inherently to people.

585
00:39:07,307 --> 00:39:12,957
It's just not in this, in this tangible sense, I suppose, but it

586
00:39:12,957 --> 00:39:15,797
really does hit the programming.

587
00:39:16,117 --> 00:39:19,887
And so I think we're maybe coming at this from different sides here and eventually

588
00:39:19,887 --> 00:39:27,057
saying the same thing, but the cognitive layers that we're talking about is sort

589
00:39:27,057 --> 00:39:30,917
of built up in this layered substrate.

590
00:39:31,277 --> 00:39:32,497
We as individuals.

591
00:39:33,297 --> 00:39:39,217
are the product of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of years of evolution.

592
00:39:39,547 --> 00:39:43,957
Let's just cap it at when we've been homo sapiens, maybe a couple hundred

593
00:39:43,957 --> 00:39:45,877
thousand years, something like that.

594
00:39:46,337 --> 00:39:52,067
And everything that has come up to that point in terms of behavior, in terms of

595
00:39:53,227 --> 00:39:59,807
the, the stories that we've told along the way to, to, to pass lessons down.

596
00:40:00,117 --> 00:40:01,217
Those are all.

597
00:40:01,607 --> 00:40:03,997
Substrates of our personalities.

598
00:40:04,277 --> 00:40:12,317
All three of us have, to a certain extent, the Judeo Christian philosophy

599
00:40:12,547 --> 00:40:17,197
underpinning us, again, to a certain extent, but we, all three of us also have

600
00:40:17,197 --> 00:40:22,187
different, different backgrounds before our ancestors became Christianized,

601
00:40:22,207 --> 00:40:26,757
for example, just to, just to make that point, but we've got the Judeo

602
00:40:26,757 --> 00:40:33,327
Christian, the Western humanist, and, perspective from being men from, from

603
00:40:33,337 --> 00:40:36,317
Europe or from Europe adjacent countries.

604
00:40:36,687 --> 00:40:41,057
And then there are more things that individuate us, right?

605
00:40:41,357 --> 00:40:45,277
But the lower level programming in terms of everything that goes on

606
00:40:45,437 --> 00:40:50,997
under the hood, that's pretty much shared, universal human shared.

607
00:40:51,577 --> 00:40:54,817
And I think that the reproduction is, is part of this.

608
00:40:54,817 --> 00:41:00,337
And it, in a lot of ways, it's, it's I think having kids is always difficult,

609
00:41:00,337 --> 00:41:03,737
right, because there's a lot of responsibility to it, at least if you're

610
00:41:03,737 --> 00:41:10,347
taking it seriously, which I think you should, but over time, the responsibility

611
00:41:10,587 --> 00:41:16,937
becomes too much to bear without something like that, where it's, where it's, it

612
00:41:16,937 --> 00:41:19,037
just becomes the, the right thing to do.

613
00:41:19,487 --> 00:41:22,987
Cross to bear, for lack of a better metaphor on top of my head.

614
00:41:23,387 --> 00:41:29,907
It's, you take yourself to a certain life status, right?

615
00:41:29,937 --> 00:41:33,837
And then having kids becomes the next natural outlet for that.

616
00:41:34,707 --> 00:41:39,877
Because I think there's another case where you have people who just, who just have

617
00:41:39,877 --> 00:41:43,577
kids, get in a relationship, have kids and, uh, oops, make a mistake and they

618
00:41:43,577 --> 00:41:46,847
don't go into it intentionally and that's a completely different story, right?

619
00:41:47,257 --> 00:41:52,447
That's, that's probably what The majority of, of humanity was

620
00:41:52,447 --> 00:41:54,087
like for a very long time, right?

621
00:41:54,967 --> 00:41:59,607
Intentionally going into it with the idea of having kids and, and, yeah,

622
00:41:59,607 --> 00:42:04,817
going on to the next generation, I think that is absolutely meaningful

623
00:42:04,847 --> 00:42:09,087
in and of itself in the, in the sense of that you're going to channel your

624
00:42:09,267 --> 00:42:13,107
energy directly into a new person.

625
00:42:13,542 --> 00:42:20,012
And maybe there's some, there's a, an aspect of trying to reduce some past

626
00:42:20,012 --> 00:42:25,291
mistakes, uh, trying to, help them have a better life than, than you

627
00:42:25,291 --> 00:42:29,171
had, a better start of it, and, and then we get into that there are these

628
00:42:29,181 --> 00:42:35,246
psychological fallacies of the, the, Great men create good times, which

629
00:42:35,256 --> 00:42:39,646
creates bad men, which creates bad times, kind of thing, the generational

630
00:42:39,656 --> 00:42:43,786
cycle where if you get too good of a start in life, maybe you're not going

631
00:42:43,786 --> 00:42:48,636
to necessarily achieve much of anything, which, yeah, is sort of difficult to

632
00:42:48,646 --> 00:42:53,466
grapple with as a new parent, but not like I'm giving my kid a good start.

633
00:42:53,546 --> 00:42:59,406
Um, Yeah, the, the, the most, uh, luxurious upbringing, so

634
00:42:59,406 --> 00:43:00,696
to say, but, you know, not bad.

635
00:43:01,516 --> 00:43:04,936
This is rambling a little bit, but I, I think the, the, the point is that

636
00:43:05,146 --> 00:43:12,336
we've got this deep programming and this deep cultural substrate that.

637
00:43:13,196 --> 00:43:19,066
Is there, it's just not something that is scientifically extractable, exactly.

638
00:43:19,246 --> 00:43:24,036
This isn't something empirical, it's just, it's just a substrate of things that, that

639
00:43:24,046 --> 00:43:27,636
have, have built upon us as, as humans.

640
00:43:27,656 --> 00:43:34,086
And I, I think having kids and, and, uh, going along with that, it's, we've been

641
00:43:34,086 --> 00:43:40,271
telling stories about it's, The importance of having kids and moving on into the next

642
00:43:40,271 --> 00:43:47,241
generation for probably as long as humans have existed, and that's built in, and we

643
00:43:47,241 --> 00:43:48,961
are programmed to get meaning from that.

644
00:43:49,441 --> 00:43:54,331
So I think this is sort of saying the same thing a little bit from a

645
00:43:54,331 --> 00:43:57,091
different perspective, but I think we get meaning from it because

646
00:43:57,091 --> 00:43:58,321
it's been with us for so long.

647
00:43:58,729 --> 00:44:02,759
Yeah, just a disclaimer here, Luke, uh, before we get into the rest of

648
00:44:02,759 --> 00:44:07,509
the conversation, and that is that, like, I don't claim opinions on

649
00:44:07,509 --> 00:44:12,209
this, so, so, like, I flesh out these different theories that people have,

650
00:44:12,259 --> 00:44:16,749
but, yeah, just to say, I definitely went into getting kids deliberately.

651
00:44:16,939 --> 00:44:17,409
I did.

652
00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:22,339
I don't think it was as deliberate on my wife's part, I think it was more

653
00:44:22,339 --> 00:44:26,409
of an oops moment for her, definitely more oopsie than it was for me.

654
00:44:27,019 --> 00:44:28,829
Because for me it was planned.

655
00:44:29,615 --> 00:44:30,965
So that's, that's the thing, guys.

656
00:44:30,975 --> 00:44:35,575
So, like, I really appreciate, you know, like, people being able to tell

657
00:44:35,575 --> 00:44:39,665
honestly about, or like, talk honestly about these things, because I do also

658
00:44:39,665 --> 00:44:43,825
understand, you know, the biases that we have, uh, to kind of like, you know,

659
00:44:43,835 --> 00:44:49,785
to defend the actions that we have made, um, and well, okay, this might sound a

660
00:44:49,785 --> 00:44:54,605
bit harsh and like, you know, this might be offensive for some people, but like,

661
00:44:54,605 --> 00:45:00,545
I'm not comparing dogs and kids, but I'm just saying that, Like, I had a dog, um,

662
00:45:00,565 --> 00:45:05,955
for like 10 years, and I mean, it came true because, like, the girlfriend that I

663
00:45:05,965 --> 00:45:07,695
had back then, she wanted to have a dog.

664
00:45:08,135 --> 00:45:13,755
We got it, but like, after a few years, we separated, and the dog was basically

665
00:45:13,755 --> 00:45:18,340
like, Well, I took care of the dog, uh, for the last six, seven years.

666
00:45:18,690 --> 00:45:24,580
And the thing is, it always prevented me from like traveling quite as much as

667
00:45:24,580 --> 00:45:28,970
I would want to, like it did basically restrict me from doing things, but when

668
00:45:28,970 --> 00:45:33,910
I had the dog, I kind of like very well explained to myself how this is worth it,

669
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:35,520
and this is okay, and this is what I want.

670
00:45:35,530 --> 00:45:37,920
I want to stay with the dog, like, you know, or like, you know,

671
00:45:37,950 --> 00:45:39,400
take care of it or, or whatever.

672
00:45:40,380 --> 00:45:43,110
That's what I feel like, you know, when we actually have.

673
00:45:43,505 --> 00:45:47,705
That thing to take care of, we have this bias where we need to go ahead and

674
00:45:47,705 --> 00:45:49,565
explain that that was still worth it.

675
00:45:49,865 --> 00:45:54,085
But now that my dog died, like, you know, six months ago, I honestly, like,

676
00:45:54,795 --> 00:45:57,885
I cannot say that I would do anything differently because I don't know any

677
00:45:57,885 --> 00:45:59,775
of the other options or, or anything.

678
00:45:59,915 --> 00:46:04,355
Uh, and it was really awesome time, um, to know, you know, grow, grow a

679
00:46:04,355 --> 00:46:07,075
dog as a single guy, uh, and all that.

680
00:46:08,795 --> 00:46:11,355
I've also exactly kind of like noticed that.

681
00:46:11,980 --> 00:46:17,480
Now I have more of the original freedom that I actually really, really wanted,

682
00:46:18,090 --> 00:46:24,460
and I kind of explained to myself, like, not doing a lot of things because of the

683
00:46:24,460 --> 00:46:30,310
dog, but I was like, able to kind of like, explain to myself why that is still okay.

684
00:46:30,930 --> 00:46:34,220
Now, I know that I would not take another dog.

685
00:46:34,690 --> 00:46:37,180
I would not take or make the same decision.

686
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,670
I cannot say that I would revert the old one.

687
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:44,950
But at least, cognitively, when I'm awake, when I don't, when I have an option to

688
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:49,480
get a dog, or not get a dog, when I have an option to get a girl, or get a kid,

689
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:54,090
or don't, like, I think that's when I can actually think most, like, you know,

690
00:46:54,090 --> 00:46:59,320
with unbiased, or like, with least of the biases, I can, I can think straight.

691
00:46:59,620 --> 00:47:03,350
Whenever I have already one of those things, it's really hard to go back.

692
00:47:03,940 --> 00:47:08,220
So what I'm trying to say also is that people should be careful and not

693
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:13,690
kind of like panic for the feeling of being lonely or you know, like

694
00:47:13,690 --> 00:47:17,680
try to try to just run after, you know, like all of these emotions,

695
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,390
like wanting to have sex or whatever.

696
00:47:19,690 --> 00:47:26,590
Like people should kind of accept that these are just emotions.

697
00:47:26,650 --> 00:47:31,510
You might want to go with them, but you might also be doing the biggest mistakes

698
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:34,360
of your life if you're not really thinking with your head, but just with your dick.

699
00:47:35,745 --> 00:47:36,225
Yeah.

700
00:47:38,215 --> 00:47:45,030
I think an aspect of this that we haven't talked about is, is, like, This is my

701
00:47:45,330 --> 00:47:50,130
subjective experience, but before I had kids, like, I didn't have kids until

702
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:55,694
quite late in life, like, I was 35 when I had my first kid, and before that,

703
00:47:55,704 --> 00:48:02,204
I was bored, and I had long periods of time where I wasn't doing stuff.

704
00:48:02,654 --> 00:48:03,964
That never happens anymore.

705
00:48:03,974 --> 00:48:10,764
So, like, even though I have less time on my hands, I literally have way fewer hours

706
00:48:10,784 --> 00:48:18,314
per day that I decide whatever I want to do and then do that, like, uninterrupted.

707
00:48:19,684 --> 00:48:25,264
Those Moments are much more precious to me now, so I value them more, and

708
00:48:25,264 --> 00:48:30,054
therefore I get more shit done, even though I have less time to do shit.

709
00:48:30,734 --> 00:48:35,154
Because I think there's a, there's a thing there, because, like, uh, having

710
00:48:35,154 --> 00:48:39,634
a kid and being in that situation, like, the dog is, you are comparing a dog

711
00:48:39,634 --> 00:48:41,014
to a kid, you understand that, right?

712
00:48:41,304 --> 00:48:46,449
But, but, like, it's not the same thing, but it, it alludes to what A life with

713
00:48:46,449 --> 00:48:49,929
a kid is, like, you have to take care of the kid a lot more than you have to

714
00:48:49,929 --> 00:48:52,459
take care of the dog, just, uh, heads up.

715
00:48:52,820 --> 00:49:00,470
Uh, well, yeah, maybe, maybe it's hard to realize how scarce a human time

716
00:49:00,470 --> 00:49:02,830
is, and how short a human lifetime is.

717
00:49:03,470 --> 00:49:07,190
Uh, before you have a kid, like, uh, it's, uh, it's a real reminder

718
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:10,920
that, uh, life is not a rehearsal go.

719
00:49:11,210 --> 00:49:12,990
Like, do you have one shot at this?

720
00:49:13,848 --> 00:49:16,598
And also, like, you know, whatever makes people happy.

721
00:49:16,628 --> 00:49:17,918
I think that's okay.

722
00:49:18,198 --> 00:49:22,768
But I also feel like there's a great, or like, at least to me,

723
00:49:22,838 --> 00:49:26,438
how I see exactly like Einstein and Tesla or people like that.

724
00:49:26,848 --> 00:49:30,098
And what I kind of would want to exactly put out right now, like, you know, for

725
00:49:30,098 --> 00:49:33,468
all the listeners is basically that, like, if you think that you are really

726
00:49:33,528 --> 00:49:37,748
like a smart or like, you know, as an As productive or like, you know, as

727
00:49:37,768 --> 00:49:42,228
meaningful of a person as someone like, you know, Einstein or Nikolai Tesla, I

728
00:49:42,228 --> 00:49:46,358
kind of like, you know, I kind of would hope that those persons would actually

729
00:49:46,358 --> 00:49:50,448
just focus on work and I feel bad for them because they might not get all of that

730
00:49:50,458 --> 00:49:52,528
happiness that family and kids bring them.

731
00:49:52,928 --> 00:49:56,558
But I really like, you know, tip my hat for those guys who are, you know,

732
00:49:56,558 --> 00:50:01,428
also kind of resisting the urge and kind of like, you know, being able to.

733
00:50:01,873 --> 00:50:06,593
To stand the suffering, like, you know, the loneliness or whatever, and, you know,

734
00:50:06,593 --> 00:50:13,403
like, just doing these greater things, uh, you know, that actually produces

735
00:50:13,463 --> 00:50:15,033
or pushes, like, humanity forward.

736
00:50:15,143 --> 00:50:19,963
Of course, family people can definitely do a lot of those, but I'm just saying, like,

737
00:50:20,263 --> 00:50:26,383
it would have been a real shame if, you know, Einstein or these kind of guys would

738
00:50:26,383 --> 00:50:28,593
have been stuck, you know, playing house.

739
00:50:29,908 --> 00:50:33,368
We would have lost or like, you know, a lot of good ideas.

740
00:50:34,318 --> 00:50:37,188
do you think his lack of a sex drive has something to do with his name?

741
00:50:38,668 --> 00:50:40,928
Uh, yeah, it could be, it could be.

742
00:50:41,408 --> 00:50:41,758
Yeah.

743
00:50:41,758 --> 00:50:42,038
I

744
00:50:42,308 --> 00:50:48,008
Uh, uh, I don't, I don't know much about the sex life of Einstein, uh, but,

745
00:50:48,178 --> 00:50:51,328
I heard something like, you know, I mean, they did have apparently

746
00:50:51,328 --> 00:50:55,518
kids, but they kind of like abandoned the girl and the kid exactly to be

747
00:50:55,518 --> 00:50:56,898
able to just focus on their work.

748
00:50:56,908 --> 00:50:59,498
And of course they probably got a lot of shit from it.

749
00:51:00,198 --> 00:51:04,148
And also Nikolai Tesla, for example, like he was, he was apparently like.

750
00:51:04,708 --> 00:51:06,788
According to himself, married to a pigeon.

751
00:51:07,438 --> 00:51:11,958
So, I mean, these are not, let's say the most sane guys, but what

752
00:51:11,958 --> 00:51:16,428
I'm saying is that I appreciate them willing to go into a total craziness to

753
00:51:16,428 --> 00:51:18,298
produce something great for humanity,

754
00:51:19,099 --> 00:51:25,399
Yeah, but there, there are examples of, uh Like, uh, Luke Dasher for,

755
00:51:25,399 --> 00:51:27,289
for instance, in, in Bitcoin.

756
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:30,859
He has eight kids and he does great things all of the time.

757
00:51:30,889 --> 00:51:32,594
Like , like,

758
00:51:32,699 --> 00:51:36,219
just imagine how much time or like how much more productive Luke would

759
00:51:36,229 --> 00:51:38,999
be if he would not have to take care of any of those eight kids.

760
00:51:39,649 --> 00:51:40,759
you don't know that.

761
00:51:41,199 --> 00:51:44,559
You don't know that he might have been, you know, a method on the street if he

762
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:48,869
hadn't had those eight kids, you know, uh, like, yeah, apologies to Luke in

763
00:51:48,869 --> 00:51:53,279
advance here, but, uh, , it's just a name that came on top of my head because

764
00:51:53,279 --> 00:51:54,584
of the eight kids, but, uh, you know.

765
00:51:55,699 --> 00:51:58,389
Or, uh, or Jimmy Song.

766
00:51:58,459 --> 00:52:00,099
He has seven kids, right?

767
00:52:00,289 --> 00:52:02,259
Uh, um, or, or something.

768
00:52:02,799 --> 00:52:05,599
They have a ton of kids, and they seem to be very productive.

769
00:52:07,009 --> 00:52:09,789
Despite, or maybe because of the kids, who knows?

770
00:52:10,754 --> 00:52:11,074
Yep.

771
00:52:11,654 --> 00:52:15,304
By the way, what do you guys think of, like, you know, when people are saying

772
00:52:15,584 --> 00:52:20,304
that the point of life would be to exactly like, you know, like have kids,

773
00:52:20,944 --> 00:52:25,944
like, what is then the number of kids that you would want to have optimally?

774
00:52:26,334 --> 00:52:30,834
Like, because that's always something that has wondered to me, like, is it just one?

775
00:52:30,844 --> 00:52:35,094
If you want to, you know, like, store your gene, basically, like, the more the

776
00:52:35,134 --> 00:52:40,444
merrier, then again, like, previously, it wasn't possible to just go ahead

777
00:52:40,444 --> 00:52:42,024
and create, like, thousands of kids.

778
00:52:42,574 --> 00:52:45,474
Or maybe like Genghis Khan or someone else actually did that.

779
00:52:45,474 --> 00:52:46,984
I don't remember how many did he have.

780
00:52:48,034 --> 00:52:49,794
The point is now it is possible.

781
00:52:49,874 --> 00:52:53,644
You can actually create like, you know, in a weird like lab

782
00:52:53,654 --> 00:52:54,844
or like, you know, a test tube.

783
00:52:54,854 --> 00:52:57,694
You can clone yourself as many kids as you can afford to.

784
00:52:58,094 --> 00:53:02,494
So is now the actual, like, the goal basically to create as many kids as

785
00:53:02,554 --> 00:53:06,064
you can afford to raise reasonably?

786
00:53:06,404 --> 00:53:09,614
Or, or like, is it just passing the genes?

787
00:53:10,899 --> 00:53:12,509
You know, like, what's your thoughts on this?

788
00:53:12,519 --> 00:53:17,099
I, I think even if you're Elon Musk, you wouldn't afford to be Genghis Khan.

789
00:53:17,489 --> 00:53:23,289
Because that's like 25 percent of the Mongolian population has, you know,

790
00:53:23,289 --> 00:53:25,869
connections to the genes of Genghis Khan.

791
00:53:25,909 --> 00:53:26,399
So like.

792
00:53:26,834 --> 00:53:31,914
Being a total asshole and pillaging and raping for your entire life and

793
00:53:31,964 --> 00:53:37,671
raping as much as possible is a very effective method if you want your genes

794
00:53:37,671 --> 00:53:39,371
to pass on to the next generation.

795
00:53:39,431 --> 00:53:41,771
Like, of course it is.

796
00:53:41,981 --> 00:53:43,001
We're clipping that.

797
00:53:43,161 --> 00:53:44,121
And we're clipping that.

798
00:53:44,371 --> 00:53:44,611
Yes.

799
00:53:48,771 --> 00:53:49,521
Why not?

800
00:53:49,961 --> 00:53:51,441
Great advice from Knut.

801
00:53:51,441 --> 00:53:55,521
Well, it's not advice, it's an observation, uh, but I'm coming to the

802
00:53:55,521 --> 00:54:00,281
point that, uh, I don't think that's necessarily a good life choice, though,

803
00:54:00,311 --> 00:54:04,841
even though it does secure your, your gene, your bloodline for a long time.

804
00:54:05,331 --> 00:54:12,336
I think, like, why, why do people have to have, uh finding meaning in life,

805
00:54:12,596 --> 00:54:16,128
uh, what, what do you even answer?

806
00:54:16,228 --> 00:54:17,668
Like, is there a meaning?

807
00:54:17,678 --> 00:54:18,638
Is there not a meaning?

808
00:54:18,848 --> 00:54:21,938
Well, sometimes it feels like there's meaning, but some things

809
00:54:21,948 --> 00:54:24,118
feel meaningful and others less so.

810
00:54:24,168 --> 00:54:32,048
But, you know, I mean, just reproducing, it's not meaning in itself, is it?

811
00:54:32,648 --> 00:54:35,958
I think just going with the flow and doing whatever feels good is

812
00:54:36,128 --> 00:54:37,728
quite good advice for most people.

813
00:54:38,178 --> 00:54:39,578
Uh, I don't know.

814
00:54:39,848 --> 00:54:40,958
I don't know the meaning of life.

815
00:54:40,958 --> 00:54:41,968
What's the meaning of life, Luke?

816
00:54:43,098 --> 00:54:49,448
Voluntarily taking up the challenge to go into the unknown, tame the chaos, and

817
00:54:49,458 --> 00:54:51,558
bring back the treasure to the community.

818
00:54:52,193 --> 00:54:55,233
Yes, but this is the Freedom Footprint show, not the What is Money show.

819
00:54:56,282 --> 00:54:56,762
Yeah,

820
00:54:56,807 --> 00:54:57,127
Yes.

821
00:54:57,797 --> 00:55:01,697
I know you rehearsed for that and everything, but this is, this is our show.

822
00:55:02,077 --> 00:55:04,077
You'd have to do that with Rob, you know.

823
00:55:04,282 --> 00:55:09,062
I mean, there's a reason I've talked about that book now for like eight

824
00:55:09,062 --> 00:55:11,432
hours or something with Rob and, uh,

825
00:55:11,867 --> 00:55:12,797
But do you buy that?

826
00:55:13,727 --> 00:55:14,557
Do you buy that?

827
00:55:14,737 --> 00:55:16,207
That that's the meaning of your life?

828
00:55:16,407 --> 00:55:17,667
Or everyone's life?

829
00:55:18,842 --> 00:55:22,742
Well, okay, so the thing about that book, the thing about Maps of Meaning

830
00:55:22,742 --> 00:55:30,882
that, that really dug into this for me was, was that it explained how we think

831
00:55:30,892 --> 00:55:37,642
because the, the thing about it is it, the book is dense and, and ridiculously

832
00:55:37,652 --> 00:55:45,982
meandering repetitive, but the, it, it builds upon point upon point and shows.

833
00:55:46,517 --> 00:55:47,447
He shows his work.

834
00:55:47,477 --> 00:55:49,367
That's, that's really the key here.

835
00:55:49,867 --> 00:55:56,727
So what happens is that the, the book builds up from here are the

836
00:55:56,727 --> 00:55:58,617
building blocks of how people think.

837
00:55:58,622 --> 00:56:01,287
There's, there's an aspect of neurological psychology.

838
00:56:01,287 --> 00:56:03,777
There's an aspect of how this stuff works in day to day.

839
00:56:03,782 --> 00:56:06,327
And then the bulk of the book is explanation through stories.

840
00:56:07,047 --> 00:56:11,357
And the thesis of the book is basically that we transmit through stories,

841
00:56:11,447 --> 00:56:17,847
through mythology, mythology basically just being stories that are so deep in

842
00:56:17,867 --> 00:56:24,192
our history that we've lost where they actually came from, but Through these

843
00:56:24,582 --> 00:56:32,892
stories, we tell lessons that match what our psychology and physiology mean.

844
00:56:34,652 --> 00:56:38,992
If you want a fun, we talk for a good 20 30 minutes in one episode about the

845
00:56:38,992 --> 00:56:41,892
meaning of the word meaning, and it's a real circle, Jarek, and it's lots of

846
00:56:41,892 --> 00:56:50,060
fun, but, yeah, but the point is that psychologically, we're, we are conditioned

847
00:56:50,140 --> 00:56:57,600
to want to minimize the chaos of the world around us and put the world into

848
00:56:57,610 --> 00:57:00,490
order in, in the most simple terms.

849
00:57:01,390 --> 00:57:01,740
And so

850
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:02,900
We as in men?

851
00:57:03,662 --> 00:57:08,652
humanity, but it's, it's, there's biological differences, of course.

852
00:57:09,202 --> 00:57:14,642
Uh, men do end up being sort of the, the default in these, these stories.

853
00:57:15,832 --> 00:57:16,652
Sorry, ladies.

854
00:57:16,652 --> 00:57:24,242
The, the, there are different stories tailored specifically for women, at

855
00:57:24,242 --> 00:57:31,162
least in terms of the, the, the thing to do to, uh, um, well, for, for her to

856
00:57:31,162 --> 00:57:33,752
get her own, uh, form of, of meaning.

857
00:57:33,772 --> 00:57:37,482
The Beauty of the Beast story is the, is the archetypical, the

858
00:57:37,482 --> 00:57:41,862
archetypal story for, for women, at least according to Jordan Peterson.

859
00:57:43,322 --> 00:57:47,732
Yes, we as in men, we as in Humans, something like that.

860
00:57:48,062 --> 00:57:54,582
The bravest thing is to be able to go out into the unknown and bring something back.

861
00:57:54,672 --> 00:57:58,112
That's what millennia of stories are telling us.

862
00:57:58,282 --> 00:58:03,782
And then there are layers to it because it's not a simple,

863
00:58:04,692 --> 00:58:06,612
there's a simple hero story.

864
00:58:06,632 --> 00:58:11,312
Go kill the dragon, rescue the virgin in the castle.

865
00:58:11,632 --> 00:58:14,582
Bring her back and then suddenly everything is good in the kingdom

866
00:58:14,582 --> 00:58:17,282
again because you killed the dragon, something like that.

867
00:58:17,472 --> 00:58:21,412
Very simple, straightforward, but that's not how it maps to reality.

868
00:58:21,412 --> 00:58:26,867
And so there are Other stories, other forms of, of looking at this stuff and,

869
00:58:27,227 --> 00:58:35,557
and the thesis is to just take up the challenge and that's meaning to me is

870
00:58:35,557 --> 00:58:43,177
to find the challenge to take up and go at it wholeheartedly and go at it with

871
00:58:43,177 --> 00:58:50,747
some humility the wisdom of generations before me might have figured some things

872
00:58:50,747 --> 00:58:55,607
out but ultimately there comes the point where you as the individual will.

873
00:58:56,312 --> 00:59:01,872
The individual, I'll emphasize that, has to do something novel and innovative

874
00:59:02,322 --> 00:59:07,272
in that moment, as big or as small as that might be, and that's the impact.

875
00:59:07,572 --> 00:59:08,282
That's the meaning.

876
00:59:09,427 --> 00:59:14,267
And then bring that back, and you can make a good life, life is less psychologically

877
00:59:14,827 --> 00:59:22,137
difficult, putting life into more order, something like that, and the, the coolest

878
00:59:22,137 --> 00:59:27,317
part about it is the, the, the person, the thing you should put at the top of

879
00:59:27,317 --> 00:59:30,497
the hierarchy, the, the thing that you should put at the top of the hierarchy is

880
00:59:30,507 --> 00:59:39,762
the, the hero that pays attention That's what, what for millennia is the message.

881
00:59:40,182 --> 00:59:45,542
The hero that is able to pay attention, figure out the world, and figure out the

882
00:59:45,552 --> 00:59:48,902
things that are plaguing the society.

883
00:59:49,872 --> 00:59:52,022
That's the person that should be put at the top of the hierarchy

884
00:59:52,022 --> 00:59:53,232
because they know what they're doing.

885
00:59:53,442 --> 00:59:54,442
They're the most competent.

886
00:59:54,472 --> 00:59:55,152
Competence.

887
00:59:56,202 --> 01:00:00,802
The, the book maps on perfectly with praxeology, with everything that's

888
01:00:00,802 --> 01:00:02,242
going on in the Bitcoin community.

889
01:00:02,662 --> 01:00:03,212
I love it.

890
01:00:03,552 --> 01:00:09,072
And it's, it's why it's the most It's the most influential book for me, and

891
01:00:09,732 --> 01:00:15,872
why I am talking about it with Rob, why I'd encourage people to watch Jordan

892
01:00:15,872 --> 01:00:22,042
Peterson's lectures on the topic, if reading the book in its whole 500 page

893
01:00:22,042 --> 01:00:28,717
density isn't the most enjoyable thing, I got something out of it, and that's it.

894
01:00:29,237 --> 01:00:33,567
That's the meaning I got out of it was to take up the challenge and I went from a

895
01:00:33,567 --> 01:00:39,937
nihilistic early 20 something that had no idea what to do with myself to yeah, now,

896
01:00:39,967 --> 01:00:47,257
now I've got purpose and I'm well on my way to fulfilling the story of my life.

897
01:00:47,647 --> 01:00:48,977
Got a kid, it's pretty cool.

898
01:00:49,627 --> 01:00:51,987
I don't think any of that would have happened if I hadn't found

899
01:00:51,987 --> 01:00:56,287
this book and figured out how to do something with myself without

900
01:00:56,287 --> 01:00:57,527
finding religion, by the way.

901
01:00:58,047 --> 01:00:59,127
So that's also cool.

902
01:00:59,647 --> 01:01:01,077
That is a beautiful rant, Luke.

903
01:01:01,507 --> 01:01:02,547
You put a tear to my eye.

904
01:01:02,777 --> 01:01:06,407
And, uh, the story is very similar to mine.

905
01:01:06,447 --> 01:01:11,897
It's just that I've never, like, uh, well, never is a strong word.

906
01:01:12,787 --> 01:01:17,687
I guess I, you know, every person sees themselves as the protagonist

907
01:01:17,687 --> 01:01:19,697
of their, the movie of their story.

908
01:01:19,737 --> 01:01:24,667
So you try to, if you try to emulate the hero's journey thing, I think

909
01:01:24,667 --> 01:01:26,227
we all do that to some extent.

910
01:01:27,067 --> 01:01:30,987
And to me, the, the like, uh, there's the call to adventure when you

911
01:01:30,987 --> 01:01:36,057
find Bitcoin and there's the, the real adventure when you, uh, you're

912
01:01:36,197 --> 01:01:38,017
supposed to run into trouble also.

913
01:01:38,057 --> 01:01:42,987
And I guess, you know, getting fed up with my old job was getting into trouble

914
01:01:42,987 --> 01:01:49,757
and seeing inflation, you know, outpacing an eventual raise in salary and then

915
01:01:49,767 --> 01:01:53,457
just jumping off the cliff and, uh, fuck this, I'm doing something else instead.

916
01:01:53,927 --> 01:01:58,217
I guess that's like the, the hero's journey part of at least the latter.

917
01:01:58,542 --> 01:01:59,612
Stages of my life.

918
01:01:59,612 --> 01:02:02,102
I don't think people have one hero's journey.

919
01:02:02,102 --> 01:02:05,362
I think they have many during a lifetime, or at least can.

920
01:02:06,522 --> 01:02:08,782
So what's your story, Rafa, there?

921
01:02:08,782 --> 01:02:11,122
Like, have you found the meaning of your life?

922
01:02:11,122 --> 01:02:14,732
Are you living in a hero's journey type thing, you think?

923
01:02:15,822 --> 01:02:23,492
mean, kind of, yeah, I do think I have like a good meaning for life.

924
01:02:23,962 --> 01:02:29,952
It's just that I kind of question it and I feel like things are way too easy.

925
01:02:30,332 --> 01:02:35,512
Uh, like, you know, like, let's say like this, I had this thought in my

926
01:02:35,512 --> 01:02:39,102
mind, like, let's say 10 years ago, that would be like really awesome to just,

927
01:02:39,102 --> 01:02:42,182
you know, like work on Bitcoin things and not really have to have, you know,

928
01:02:42,182 --> 01:02:43,912
a fiat job or, or things like that.

929
01:02:44,472 --> 01:02:45,932
Well, I, I got that.

930
01:02:46,452 --> 01:02:49,642
Then I also realized when I like, you know, got a little bit deeper

931
01:02:49,642 --> 01:02:53,892
into Bitcoin stuff that I really want to, you know, focus on doing

932
01:02:53,902 --> 01:02:55,492
something really, really meaningful.

933
01:02:55,502 --> 01:02:59,742
Or I mean, that's what I had like always since the child, like as a,

934
01:02:59,802 --> 01:03:03,582
like when I was a kid, like I wanted to do something actually meaningful, not

935
01:03:03,582 --> 01:03:08,372
something just a random, you know, like a basic fiat job or something like that.

936
01:03:08,912 --> 01:03:12,442
And I, I feel like working on Bitcoin and especially like

937
01:03:12,462 --> 01:03:14,142
working on Bitcoin privacy.

938
01:03:14,752 --> 01:03:20,382
is probably one of the most urgent things that we should be working on

939
01:03:20,872 --> 01:03:24,502
because, I mean, even though there's a lot of very cool technology, a lot

940
01:03:24,502 --> 01:03:29,452
of like, you know, biohacking or like AI or like, you know, a lot of these

941
01:03:29,452 --> 01:03:34,172
cool things are out there, but I feel like if we don't fix the money first.

942
01:03:34,857 --> 01:03:40,027
All of these other cool, you know, things or technologies will just be like

943
01:03:40,027 --> 01:03:43,867
corrupted through government or like, you know, like we have a shitty money,

944
01:03:44,377 --> 01:03:47,797
uh, like at least, you know, the fiat, and we're trying to make a better one.

945
01:03:48,247 --> 01:03:50,837
Bitcoin is the best option, but it also has this like

946
01:03:50,837 --> 01:03:52,897
huge problem with its privacy.

947
01:03:52,897 --> 01:03:57,037
Like, if we would not improve Bitcoin privacy, or if these privacy

948
01:03:57,037 --> 01:03:58,337
tools would not get adoption.

949
01:03:58,782 --> 01:04:03,262
I feel like, you know, even Bitcoin would just become basically the biggest global

950
01:04:03,272 --> 01:04:05,412
financial surveillance system ever.

951
01:04:05,822 --> 01:04:10,562
Like, it is, it is much, much worse than any CBDC out there

952
01:04:10,562 --> 01:04:11,772
that people are talking about.

953
01:04:12,122 --> 01:04:15,482
Like, this is not just, you know, like governments being able to see exactly

954
01:04:15,482 --> 01:04:17,132
how much you own and how do you transact.

955
01:04:17,402 --> 01:04:20,582
They might not be able to stop it, but they will penalize you if they

956
01:04:20,582 --> 01:04:22,152
can see exactly what's going on.

957
01:04:22,567 --> 01:04:26,977
Now, with CBDCs, at least your neighbor is not able to watch you or, you know,

958
01:04:26,977 --> 01:04:28,457
like know exactly what you're doing.

959
01:04:29,217 --> 01:04:34,317
With Bitcoin, if we don't improve its privacy, we are really, really screwed.

960
01:04:34,617 --> 01:04:38,307
So, in that sense, I do find a lot of meaning working on, on

961
01:04:38,307 --> 01:04:40,197
this space and these things.

962
01:04:40,912 --> 01:04:46,368
Uh, but I feel like it's also, it's too easy, like, in the sense that,

963
01:04:47,378 --> 01:04:50,898
uh, maybe I just have these like, you know, weird old stories and movies

964
01:04:50,898 --> 01:04:52,578
kind of like imprinted into my mind.

965
01:04:52,608 --> 01:04:56,068
Like, for example, you know, the movie Troy, uh, and like

966
01:04:56,068 --> 01:04:58,138
the story about, about Achilles.

967
01:04:58,943 --> 01:05:02,663
Um, like that was a very interesting story where basically like in the

968
01:05:02,663 --> 01:05:07,393
movie itself, like it's, you know, that this character, this Machilis, he had

969
01:05:07,483 --> 01:05:11,193
a total, like, you know, a choice in life to go ahead and, you know, like

970
01:05:11,193 --> 01:05:16,553
have kids, have like, you know, that he would basically be guaranteed to

971
01:05:16,553 --> 01:05:19,933
have, you know, a good wife and a lot of kids who will love them and he will

972
01:05:19,943 --> 01:05:22,413
have a very happy and fulfilling life.

973
01:05:22,963 --> 01:05:24,713
But there was also the other option.

974
01:05:25,123 --> 01:05:31,133
Where he would not go ahead and have any of that like family stuff, but actually

975
01:05:31,143 --> 01:05:36,793
go into like, you know, the Troy war and try to write his name into the history

976
01:05:36,793 --> 01:05:38,583
books for like thousands of years.

977
01:05:39,083 --> 01:05:43,223
I think those kind of goals of like people actually wanting to, you know,

978
01:05:43,223 --> 01:05:48,203
like basically be remembered or do something useful that will be then

979
01:05:48,213 --> 01:05:49,743
remembered for thousands of years.

980
01:05:50,403 --> 01:05:51,673
That's like, you know.

981
01:05:52,263 --> 01:05:55,853
Proper goals, like that's what we should be all looking for, you know, like,

982
01:05:56,806 --> 01:06:01,476
Yeah, but if it's too easy and you're already accomplished, like, building

983
01:06:01,486 --> 01:06:06,956
better Bitcoin privacy tools, uh There's nothing stopping you from

984
01:06:06,956 --> 01:06:10,586
getting the family after you're done with all the heroic stuff, right?

985
01:06:11,251 --> 01:06:12,381
yeah, yeah, sure.

986
01:06:12,391 --> 01:06:15,791
And I mean, I'm not saying that, like, fixing Bitcoin privacy is too easy,

987
01:06:15,791 --> 01:06:19,891
but it's kind of like, it was too easy to find a very meaningful thing to do.

988
01:06:20,181 --> 01:06:26,721
And now I'm kind of like, in a, in a search of like, even bigger meaning.

989
01:06:27,056 --> 01:06:29,416
Even yeah, something more.

990
01:06:30,006 --> 01:06:31,406
So do you think that ever ends?

991
01:06:31,446 --> 01:06:34,646
Even if you find something bigger and more important to work on, whatever

992
01:06:34,646 --> 01:06:36,546
that is, world peace or whatever.

993
01:06:36,976 --> 01:06:41,386
Uh, I guess you could say Bitcoin privacy is world peace, but it takes a while.

994
01:06:41,726 --> 01:06:46,696
But, uh, like, don't you think there's always a bigger fist to catch?

995
01:06:46,716 --> 01:06:51,036
And like, you never get satisfied from just fulfilling I know that,

996
01:06:51,066 --> 01:06:55,041
that's From, from experience, whenever I set up a goal and I achieve

997
01:06:55,041 --> 01:06:58,191
something, I, I want the next thing.

998
01:06:58,191 --> 01:06:59,211
I want to up my game.

999
01:06:59,628 --> 01:07:01,938
Yeah, I mean, I totally agree with you.

1000
01:07:01,938 --> 01:07:06,048
Like, want seems to be also like something that is just hard coded in us, because

1001
01:07:06,068 --> 01:07:10,828
if we would kind of like, end up not wanting things, it's kind of like,

1002
01:07:10,828 --> 01:07:13,018
you know, there is no need for action.

1003
01:07:13,513 --> 01:07:20,543
And I think we would kind of like lose the passion or like, you know, to live.

1004
01:07:21,103 --> 01:07:25,053
Uh, so I think wants are one of the things that kind of like keeps us going and I

1005
01:07:25,083 --> 01:07:26,643
think they will grow up all the time.

1006
01:07:27,003 --> 01:07:32,243
But I also have noticed exactly like that setting yourself too low of goals

1007
01:07:32,263 --> 01:07:34,633
or goals that you can actually achieve.

1008
01:07:35,113 --> 01:07:40,083
It's very, very dangerous, at least, at least for a while, because like,

1009
01:07:40,303 --> 01:07:45,493
if you set yourself too easy of goals, and you actually achieve them, you will

1010
01:07:45,493 --> 01:07:51,093
be totally like, you know, unhappy, or you will at least be left with no

1011
01:07:51,093 --> 01:07:53,173
other plans or no other things to do.

1012
01:07:53,173 --> 01:07:56,003
And you kind of have to find new meaning again.

1013
01:07:56,468 --> 01:07:59,708
So that's why I feel like, you know, shooting for the stars, like, you

1014
01:07:59,708 --> 01:08:03,328
know, what Elon Musk is wanting to do, like, okay, let's go and put people

1015
01:08:03,328 --> 01:08:07,908
into Mars, like something this crazy will actually keep him, you know,

1016
01:08:07,908 --> 01:08:10,078
like driven for a long, long time.

1017
01:08:10,598 --> 01:08:13,448
Like, don't set too easy goals for yourself, basically.

1018
01:08:14,063 --> 01:08:17,723
Don't you think that's a problem, though, with, like, the whole internet

1019
01:08:17,723 --> 01:08:22,633
generation that has grown up with, you know, it's like the, uh, IDN Fight Club,

1020
01:08:22,643 --> 01:08:28,491
that everyone grew up, raised by their mothers and, uh, uh, wanting to be, were

1021
01:08:28,491 --> 01:08:32,301
told by the media that they would be rock stars and movie stars and whatnot.

1022
01:08:32,796 --> 01:08:38,658
And none of that comes true later in life, so like, what I'm trying to say is that,

1023
01:08:38,738 --> 01:08:44,788
uh, isn't it a problem that people can't be, if everyone had the goal of, you know,

1024
01:08:44,788 --> 01:08:50,118
building a rocket that takes us to Mars or something, like, no one would be satisfied

1025
01:08:50,118 --> 01:08:52,548
with just being a baker, or a garbage man.

1026
01:08:52,788 --> 01:08:55,218
Like, don't we need, like, people for everything?

1027
01:08:55,713 --> 01:08:59,823
And people taking pride in the, in easy small jobs like,

1028
01:09:00,194 --> 01:09:05,104
I mean, I think that all of the jobs are in some sense really important,

1029
01:09:05,124 --> 01:09:08,994
and it's good that there is people who are kind of like satisfied.

1030
01:09:09,464 --> 01:09:13,454
With that, but it's like, it's just good, basically, from my perspective,

1031
01:09:14,484 --> 01:09:17,874
like, I mean, it's, it's might be good for them to like, you know, they might

1032
01:09:17,874 --> 01:09:20,064
be happy and then it's totally okay.

1033
01:09:20,674 --> 01:09:26,144
But at least, like, to me, it feels a little bit bad to say that I'm

1034
01:09:26,144 --> 01:09:30,134
happy that other people are okay with, like, less because it just

1035
01:09:30,134 --> 01:09:31,964
seems to be a thing that benefits me.

1036
01:09:32,364 --> 01:09:37,014
I kind of feel like, you know, from totally, uh, from totally unbiased

1037
01:09:37,064 --> 01:09:40,224
point of view, I kind of feel like we should be endorsing everyone to

1038
01:09:40,224 --> 01:09:44,704
be as great as they can and shoot for the stars, like, you know, to try

1039
01:09:44,704 --> 01:09:46,204
to do something really meaningful.

1040
01:09:46,204 --> 01:09:49,684
I know that that's not something that could actually happen and that

1041
01:09:49,684 --> 01:09:53,904
would, you know, result into a lot of chaos in the world, but at least for,

1042
01:09:53,984 --> 01:09:58,294
you know, the sovereign individuals, the people who really want to try to

1043
01:09:58,294 --> 01:10:00,084
make a big difference in the world.

1044
01:10:00,999 --> 01:10:05,429
I think that's just a beautiful thing that they are not like, you know, happy with.

1045
01:10:06,154 --> 01:10:09,564
With normal stuff that they are actually pushing for something

1046
01:10:09,564 --> 01:10:11,264
like even better and greater.

1047
01:10:12,429 --> 01:10:12,729
Yeah.

1048
01:10:12,729 --> 01:10:17,939
Which is why it's, why it's so reinvigorating or to go to a Bitcoin

1049
01:10:17,939 --> 01:10:20,699
conference and meet all these people that are actually trying to do that.

1050
01:10:20,759 --> 01:10:22,439
That's like fantastic.

1051
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:23,789
Like, look at these people.

1052
01:10:23,794 --> 01:10:29,619
They, they're not caring what other people tell them they can and cannot do.

1053
01:10:29,619 --> 01:10:33,409
They're just, they just do stuff and build a better world.

1054
01:10:33,589 --> 01:10:34,864
Uh, yeah, I think it's beautiful.

1055
01:10:35,427 --> 01:10:40,137
Yeah, I mean, ambition itself, like, you know, it's always so nice to be able

1056
01:10:40,137 --> 01:10:44,117
to like, you know, see in Bitcoin and like, you know, these kind of sovereign

1057
01:10:44,117 --> 01:10:48,567
engineering space, for example, they see so much like passionate people who

1058
01:10:48,567 --> 01:10:51,997
are not just, you know, looking into like, okay, I want to go ahead and like

1059
01:10:51,997 --> 01:10:55,027
build a software that will generate me like a few thousand dollars per month.

1060
01:10:55,027 --> 01:10:55,537
And that's it.

1061
01:10:55,537 --> 01:10:57,077
Like, That's what I'm looking for.

1062
01:10:57,077 --> 01:10:59,707
But there's a lot of people who actually want to go ahead and

1063
01:10:59,777 --> 01:11:01,017
like change the whole world.

1064
01:11:01,347 --> 01:11:02,667
Like, you know, just like Bitcoiners.

1065
01:11:02,697 --> 01:11:05,517
But, you know, it's, it's also talk is cheap.

1066
01:11:05,617 --> 01:11:08,097
A lot of people would want to go ahead and say that they want to

1067
01:11:08,097 --> 01:11:09,057
go ahead and change the world.

1068
01:11:09,057 --> 01:11:11,167
But it exactly requires a lot of commitment.

1069
01:11:11,507 --> 01:11:16,257
And it requires a lot of, um, like refraining yourself from doing these

1070
01:11:16,257 --> 01:11:21,517
like weird, uh, automated actions that will just basically be time sink traps.

1071
01:11:59,505 --> 01:12:03,755
so how do you, how do you focus, like, how do you force yourself to focus

1072
01:12:03,755 --> 01:12:09,789
and how do you, like, make the work ethic become a reality, like, some

1073
01:12:09,789 --> 01:12:12,769
trips, text, trip, trick, some tips?

1074
01:12:13,684 --> 01:12:17,164
Well, at least for me, like one of the best things that, like, it's very

1075
01:12:17,164 --> 01:12:21,944
unintuitive, but I really love this idea of like responsibility maximalism.

1076
01:12:23,004 --> 01:12:27,954
So, like, basically, for example, how I see things in my life is that everything

1077
01:12:27,954 --> 01:12:31,004
that happens is totally my fault.

1078
01:12:31,774 --> 01:12:36,084
Like, I mean, not completely always, and I don't blame myself for some of

1079
01:12:36,084 --> 01:12:39,514
the things that are happening, like, I just practically kind of control

1080
01:12:39,514 --> 01:12:43,634
things, but the point is that I don't blame anything that happens,

1081
01:12:43,654 --> 01:12:45,054
especially like negative things.

1082
01:12:45,364 --> 01:12:47,194
I do not blame them on others.

1083
01:12:47,884 --> 01:12:52,514
If there is, you know, like after something bad happens, I always

1084
01:12:52,954 --> 01:12:57,094
kind of think about it myself, like, could I have done something better?

1085
01:12:57,134 --> 01:13:00,274
Could I have, like, let's say, if it's like another person not

1086
01:13:00,274 --> 01:13:03,534
showing up at the right time, like, could I have informed him better?

1087
01:13:03,564 --> 01:13:06,934
Could I have, like, you know, sent another message, reminder,

1088
01:13:06,934 --> 01:13:08,344
like, could I have done better?

1089
01:13:08,634 --> 01:13:10,044
And usually their answer is yes.

1090
01:13:10,619 --> 01:13:15,339
So blaming the other person is kind of just a way to push the responsibility out

1091
01:13:15,339 --> 01:13:20,029
of yourself and that's, that's kind of like, you know, if you start blaming other

1092
01:13:20,039 --> 01:13:25,329
things for, or like other people, or, you know, for all of the negative things that

1093
01:13:25,339 --> 01:13:29,619
happen in your life, you will never really want to go ahead and like, think about

1094
01:13:29,639 --> 01:13:31,959
how to fix them, how to improve yourself.

1095
01:13:32,354 --> 01:13:36,144
So taking full responsibility of all of your actions, I feel like that's

1096
01:13:36,764 --> 01:13:41,394
one of the most important things that at least I have learned, and like,

1097
01:13:41,414 --> 01:13:46,304
that's how that has made me to really carefully consider in what kind of

1098
01:13:46,304 --> 01:13:48,074
a game do I want to put myself into.

1099
01:13:48,799 --> 01:13:52,259
Like, what kind of, like, do I even want to start, for example, like, this

1100
01:13:52,569 --> 01:13:58,469
possible relationship, like, you know, chess match, uh, you know, like, and

1101
01:13:58,509 --> 01:14:03,619
I, I try to exactly like, you know, think of my actions before I do them

1102
01:14:03,879 --> 01:14:08,109
because of this responsibility idea.

1103
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:10,999
I think that's a, that's a good one.

1104
01:14:11,939 --> 01:14:14,519
And in general, like, of course, prioritization.

1105
01:14:15,039 --> 01:14:19,109
So, like I said, there's a lot of very cool things.

1106
01:14:19,694 --> 01:14:23,624
But like, you have to kind of go through really brutally, you know, like, write

1107
01:14:23,624 --> 01:14:27,874
them down, like, what are the really the biggest or the most important things?

1108
01:14:27,874 --> 01:14:30,164
Like, you know, there's, there's what is important.

1109
01:14:30,794 --> 01:14:33,004
And then there's the thing of like, what is urgent?

1110
01:14:34,424 --> 01:14:37,904
And like the, you know, there's a lot and a lot of important things.

1111
01:14:38,994 --> 01:14:45,704
But there's, like, the urgency is kind of like the higher priority, like, we should

1112
01:14:45,704 --> 01:14:50,614
look into, like, you know, what is the immediate action that we first have to fix

1113
01:14:50,684 --> 01:14:52,544
in order to be able to fix the rest of it.

1114
01:14:53,024 --> 01:14:57,304
And like I said, I feel like it's, you know, money, but this same

1115
01:14:57,374 --> 01:15:01,054
idea of like how to prioritize, I think, can be used in like companies

1116
01:15:01,054 --> 01:15:02,894
and in any other projects too.

1117
01:15:03,235 --> 01:15:06,415
It's beautiful, because it's sort of the opposite of victimhood culture,

1118
01:15:06,615 --> 01:15:11,435
like, you're doing the exact opposite of these virtue signaling victims.

1119
01:15:13,075 --> 01:15:17,705
where the game becomes who we should pity the most, and

1120
01:15:18,850 --> 01:15:19,270
Yeah.

1121
01:15:19,355 --> 01:15:20,405
one who gets the reward.

1122
01:15:20,485 --> 01:15:21,135
Well, yeah.

1123
01:15:21,650 --> 01:15:24,620
Uh, way, way sounder way to live life, I think.

1124
01:15:26,860 --> 01:15:27,190
Yep.

1125
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:33,160
And maybe, maybe also like one thing that I would also say that kind of helps

1126
01:15:33,220 --> 01:15:35,510
a lot is to like, you know, meditate.

1127
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:40,910
And this is also like a very unpopular opinion, but like, you know, there's a

1128
01:15:40,910 --> 01:15:46,160
lot of very, very weird and interesting substances, you know, like out there

1129
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:50,330
in the world that we already know that are actually like enhancing our

1130
01:15:50,330 --> 01:15:52,350
cognitive capabilities, for example.

1131
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:55,840
So, It's just that we're afraid of the trade offs or, you know, like

1132
01:15:55,840 --> 01:16:00,810
the, the possible problems that those might cause, but I mean, I don't want

1133
01:16:00,810 --> 01:16:04,770
to endorse it, but I'm just saying like, people should not be afraid

1134
01:16:04,780 --> 01:16:06,320
of these kind of things either.

1135
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:09,460
Like, just like, for example, you know, like, uh, back in the, like

1136
01:16:09,460 --> 01:16:12,060
hundreds of years ago or thousands of years ago, like sailors.

1137
01:16:12,750 --> 01:16:17,700
Like, they had to really have, like, huge fucking cojones to really go

1138
01:16:17,700 --> 01:16:21,690
ahead and, like, you know, go with that weird kind of, like, you know,

1139
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:26,710
wooden boat all the way till, you know, towards the infinite sea.

1140
01:16:27,190 --> 01:16:32,090
Like, you really had to be a little bit crazy, but also, that's the thing

1141
01:16:32,090 --> 01:16:35,910
that was required to actually find something so different, something

1142
01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:40,673
new to bring, like, a whole new continent, basically, for humanity.

1143
01:16:40,973 --> 01:16:45,483
Like, that required some people to actually take the risk of losing their

1144
01:16:45,483 --> 01:16:52,173
mind or their life in order to, you know, be able to explore these areas

1145
01:16:52,193 --> 01:16:54,683
that we are not yet daring to explore.

1146
01:16:55,673 --> 01:17:00,473
So, yeah, that's also something that I would put on the list.

1147
01:17:01,353 --> 01:17:05,903
Yeah, speaking of the list, I saw the, the, the, the last point there is, is

1148
01:17:06,053 --> 01:17:10,313
human rights are a joke, which is, uh, yeah, I'd like to pick your brain on

1149
01:17:10,313 --> 01:17:12,023
that because I have some ideas myself.

1150
01:17:12,823 --> 01:17:18,463
Yeah, I mean, in my opinion, like, we already live in an anarchy.

1151
01:17:18,873 --> 01:17:23,523
It's just that most of people are really, really bad at defending themselves.

1152
01:17:24,620 --> 01:17:27,980
you know, there is no human rights, like whatever there is, you know, like a

1153
01:17:27,980 --> 01:17:32,255
lot of People saying every now and then like, oh, right to privacy or whatever,

1154
01:17:32,505 --> 01:17:36,881
like, that's a very fiat concept to do or to even say, you know, there

1155
01:17:36,881 --> 01:17:39,451
is no right for basically anything.

1156
01:17:39,511 --> 01:17:45,453
It's just especially like right for a privacy, for example, like, to me, these

1157
01:17:45,453 --> 01:17:49,533
are just like weird concepts that are kind of like, you know, relying on some

1158
01:17:49,773 --> 01:17:53,663
authority actually enforcing these, but it's kind of like impossible if you

1159
01:17:53,683 --> 01:17:57,273
don't really like, you know, steal the money out of a lot of people to be able

1160
01:17:57,273 --> 01:17:59,893
to fund that kind of a conglomerate.

1161
01:18:00,703 --> 01:18:06,613
So, to me, well, yeah, human rights is just something that at least

1162
01:18:06,673 --> 01:18:12,673
Bitcoiners should not be, you know, kind of appealing to in arguments.

1163
01:18:13,428 --> 01:18:18,198
Well, this is a great topic because, like, um, you can differentiate between

1164
01:18:18,228 --> 01:18:22,378
positive rights and negative rights, and positive rights are the ones that,

1165
01:18:22,658 --> 01:18:27,268
you know, free housing, free food, whatever, um, healthcare, uh, all

1166
01:18:27,268 --> 01:18:32,388
of them require a violation of some other person's negative right, which

1167
01:18:32,388 --> 01:18:37,528
is basically the, the only thing you could argue for being a universal human

1168
01:18:37,528 --> 01:18:43,188
right that is true for all people at all times is the right to be left alone.

1169
01:18:44,078 --> 01:18:48,347
Like, uh, basically the non aggression principle, uh, because

1170
01:18:48,347 --> 01:18:51,297
it's the only one that can be true for all people at all times.

1171
01:18:51,927 --> 01:18:58,670
And also, arguing against it is arguing against the very act of argumentation.

1172
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:03,180
Because if I argue against you owning your own body, and by

1173
01:19:03,180 --> 01:19:10,625
extension your stuff, uh, if, if you try to, uh, Refute that argument.

1174
01:19:10,725 --> 01:19:12,775
You have to use your body to do that.

1175
01:19:12,785 --> 01:19:17,755
So you show, with your action of arguing, you show me that you

1176
01:19:17,755 --> 01:19:20,735
accept that I own my body too.

1177
01:19:20,815 --> 01:19:26,485
And that through argumentation, we can't really argue with one another without

1178
01:19:26,505 --> 01:19:30,335
accepting the non aggression principle to be the cornerstone of everything.

1179
01:19:31,065 --> 01:19:36,686
Because it's implicit in the Implicit in the very act of arguing, and therefore

1180
01:19:36,686 --> 01:19:41,646
we can sort of deduct that the only right that can actually be a universal

1181
01:19:41,666 --> 01:19:43,666
right is the right to be left alone.

1182
01:19:44,239 --> 01:19:46,119
Yeah, I kind of understand that.

1183
01:19:46,119 --> 01:19:49,869
But I also, like, I wonder exactly, like, to what extent are we

1184
01:19:49,869 --> 01:19:51,419
considering now, like, left alone?

1185
01:19:51,429 --> 01:19:53,539
Like what you said, like, you know, for a physical space.

1186
01:19:54,029 --> 01:19:56,559
I mean, I kind of totally agree, and I would want that.

1187
01:19:56,559 --> 01:20:01,299
But I also feel like, you know, it really depends on, like, what

1188
01:20:01,329 --> 01:20:03,099
we classify as being left alone.

1189
01:20:03,109 --> 01:20:08,269
Like, you know, like, if it's me looking at another person, like, you know, is that

1190
01:20:08,469 --> 01:20:10,549
kind of like me not leaving them alone?

1191
01:20:11,099 --> 01:20:15,129
And then it, then it all, like, if it is, you know, like, I cannot really

1192
01:20:15,179 --> 01:20:19,039
watch them or look at them or like that they would have the right to,

1193
01:20:19,079 --> 01:20:24,039
to build some kind of a wall around themselves, um, would basically just

1194
01:20:24,039 --> 01:20:26,349
mean that we need a lot of resources.

1195
01:20:26,419 --> 01:20:30,719
And the more people there are, the smaller, the The area basically gets

1196
01:20:30,759 --> 01:20:35,199
unless we somehow create more of earth or, you know, find other planets

1197
01:20:35,199 --> 01:20:36,709
to populate or something like that.

1198
01:20:36,709 --> 01:20:38,709
But I, I agree with you.

1199
01:20:38,709 --> 01:20:42,629
Like, I agree with the non aggression principle as not as like a right,

1200
01:20:43,029 --> 01:20:47,749
but as something that's, you know, as a agreed code for, let's

1201
01:20:47,749 --> 01:20:51,489
say, morally like sane people.

1202
01:20:52,185 --> 01:20:57,825
Yeah, I don't think, like, right might be the word, but the word is It's

1203
01:20:57,835 --> 01:21:01,815
flawed, but it's still one of the best words we have for it because,

1204
01:21:01,825 --> 01:21:05,725
like, I don't think there's a world where everyone lives by this, right?

1205
01:21:05,745 --> 01:21:10,745
It's just impossible, because we're always going to have conflict about property,

1206
01:21:10,775 --> 01:21:14,895
like, and about land, and everything.

1207
01:21:16,425 --> 01:21:19,975
It's just that if you want to be civilized, and if you want to do

1208
01:21:20,015 --> 01:21:24,205
things in a civilized way, then that should be the core principle.

1209
01:21:24,575 --> 01:21:27,535
And it should, should be more important than everything else.

1210
01:21:27,805 --> 01:21:31,545
Free speech, for instance, and freedom of expression, and, like, the things

1211
01:21:31,545 --> 01:21:37,265
you said to privacy, they're all, uh, downstream to property rights.

1212
01:21:37,485 --> 01:21:42,825
Because if, if there's no such thing as a public space, then Whoever owns

1213
01:21:42,825 --> 01:21:44,365
the property gets to set the rules.

1214
01:21:44,395 --> 01:21:54,275
If I own, uh, Riverside, or X, or Twitter, I set the rules of who gets to say what on

1215
01:21:54,275 --> 01:21:56,255
that platform, because it's my platform.

1216
01:21:56,865 --> 01:22:01,945
So, and, and, so therefore, freedom of speech laws are, they're a mirage.

1217
01:22:01,985 --> 01:22:06,225
They're, they're Redundant, because like, in order for there to have to

1218
01:22:06,225 --> 01:22:10,445
be free speech laws, that implies that there is public space, or something

1219
01:22:10,445 --> 01:22:14,215
public, is publicly owned, which has to be preceded by a violation

1220
01:22:14,235 --> 01:22:15,465
of the right to be left alone.

1221
01:22:15,495 --> 01:22:17,365
You have to take stuff from others.

1222
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:23,306
In order to build a public space, so, so, uh, and I think that's, that's

1223
01:22:23,306 --> 01:22:24,506
true for the privacy thing too.

1224
01:22:24,546 --> 01:22:28,086
There's a great book about this that Max recommended to me, um, The

1225
01:22:28,086 --> 01:22:30,466
Ethics of Liberty by Mario Rothbard.

1226
01:22:31,296 --> 01:22:34,336
Uh, highly recommended, yeah, he lays it out very well

1227
01:22:34,336 --> 01:22:36,306
where, where to draw the lines.

1228
01:22:36,694 --> 01:22:39,764
Yeah, and also there's, uh, I don't know if you guys have heard

1229
01:22:39,764 --> 01:22:44,134
about the book, um, Defending the Undefendable by Walter Block.

1230
01:22:44,780 --> 01:22:46,350
Oh yeah, yeah, that's on my reading list.

1231
01:22:46,390 --> 01:22:49,670
I haven't read it yet, but yep, I need to read that.

1232
01:22:50,155 --> 01:22:53,365
There's two versions of it, and you can also, uh, like, listen

1233
01:22:53,365 --> 01:22:55,285
to it as an audiobook in YouTube.

1234
01:22:55,285 --> 01:22:58,855
Uh, there's all the chapters in there, but they also have, like, a very,

1235
01:22:58,855 --> 01:23:01,475
very good, like, arguments over there.

1236
01:23:01,475 --> 01:23:04,635
It's basically like, you know, like, Austrian economics based book.

1237
01:23:04,745 --> 01:23:09,250
Uh, it's just like It's just basically looking into a lot of these like, you

1238
01:23:09,250 --> 01:23:13,410
know, people or groups of people or like, let's say jobs of some people

1239
01:23:13,710 --> 01:23:17,480
that are generally considered either by the government or by generally like

1240
01:23:17,510 --> 01:23:19,600
people as a negative or a bad thing.

1241
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:23,930
And one of the things is like, you know, over there is like about the peeping Tom.

1242
01:23:24,575 --> 01:23:27,465
So like a guy who kind of like, you know, pokes his head around, like, you

1243
01:23:27,465 --> 01:23:30,845
know, just lurking and, you know, like trying to, to look for like, you know,

1244
01:23:30,955 --> 01:23:36,265
cigarettes or whatever, like, there's a very good defense speech, how the peeping

1245
01:23:36,295 --> 01:23:38,155
Tom is not really doing anything wrong.

1246
01:23:38,505 --> 01:23:40,625
Like, people have no right to privacy.

1247
01:23:40,865 --> 01:23:44,775
Like, if you have your own private property, yeah, do ahead, whatever

1248
01:23:44,775 --> 01:23:47,395
you want, but like, there is no right to privacy, you just have

1249
01:23:47,405 --> 01:23:50,305
to make sure that you are not heard if you really want privacy.

1250
01:23:50,645 --> 01:23:53,925
It's all up to you, full responsibility, no blaming others.

1251
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,120
But yeah, there's a lot of very interesting chapters

1252
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,790
in there, so definitely that one is also very recommended.

1253
01:24:00,473 --> 01:24:01,683
What is it Mille says?

1254
01:24:02,153 --> 01:24:03,703
Viva libertad, carajo.

1255
01:24:04,493 --> 01:24:05,213
Exactly.

1256
01:24:05,253 --> 01:24:05,913
Exactly.

1257
01:24:06,583 --> 01:24:09,803
By the way, one more thing that I kind of wanted to mention, maybe over here,

1258
01:24:09,803 --> 01:24:13,353
like, you know, the censorship topic and it kind of like related to exactly

1259
01:24:13,353 --> 01:24:18,233
like, you know, these rights that people consider that they have or not don't have.

1260
01:24:18,753 --> 01:24:23,303
So, like, you know, what, what was really interesting to see now, like,

1261
01:24:23,813 --> 01:24:29,113
already now, a few months ago was, you know, the ocean mining, um, and it's

1262
01:24:29,233 --> 01:24:32,093
so called, you know, censorship of.

1263
01:24:32,638 --> 01:24:36,748
You know, whatever, inscriptions, or even samurai will pull transactions.

1264
01:24:37,148 --> 01:24:38,308
That was also pretty hilarious.

1265
01:24:39,518 --> 01:24:43,028
You know, what I'm really disappointed is exactly like people not using the

1266
01:24:43,028 --> 01:24:47,598
word censorship in any coherent way, or at least according to my knowledge.

1267
01:24:47,908 --> 01:24:55,938
So, like, to me, like, at least according to Austrian economics, you can do

1268
01:24:55,948 --> 01:24:58,018
with your property, whatever you want.

1269
01:24:58,563 --> 01:25:02,303
And if you don't want to go ahead and like, for example, let everyone use

1270
01:25:02,303 --> 01:25:07,593
your server to, to communicate, or you don't want, you know, to include all of

1271
01:25:07,653 --> 01:25:13,703
the weird shitcoin stuff into your own nodes, like, you know, uh, SSD, you don't

1272
01:25:13,713 --> 01:25:19,143
need to, it's your private property, and calling that censorship is just, um.

1273
01:25:19,928 --> 01:25:23,238
Immensely like weird to me or like very naive.

1274
01:25:23,733 --> 01:25:24,483
It's vulgar.

1275
01:25:24,718 --> 01:25:29,288
I mean, if there is these, you know, like rights, the right for you to

1276
01:25:29,368 --> 01:25:33,808
choose who do you do business with or whose data are you storing?

1277
01:25:33,818 --> 01:25:36,208
Or like, who do you want to even communicate with?

1278
01:25:36,518 --> 01:25:38,518
It is much, much higher.

1279
01:25:38,738 --> 01:25:41,978
Then some weird like social, you know, virtue signaling of like,

1280
01:25:41,978 --> 01:25:43,438
Oh, we have to accept everyone.

1281
01:25:43,438 --> 01:25:46,778
And, you know, like all data is like equal, like bullshit.

1282
01:25:47,038 --> 01:25:51,048
This is so stupid and like naive from Bitcoiners to even say that, like,

1283
01:25:51,048 --> 01:25:56,398
at least in my understanding, only like governments can censor things.

1284
01:25:56,723 --> 01:26:00,923
Like, only governments have basically promised, like, other people some

1285
01:26:00,923 --> 01:26:04,093
services, and they have taken the money and kind of, like, said that, okay,

1286
01:26:04,133 --> 01:26:08,343
these will be available for you, but then the government might go ahead and, you

1287
01:26:08,343 --> 01:26:09,873
know, like, start restricting things.

1288
01:26:09,913 --> 01:26:11,563
That's what I call, like, censorship.

1289
01:26:11,938 --> 01:26:14,678
Everything else is just private individuals choosing

1290
01:26:14,728 --> 01:26:15,828
who they do business with.

1291
01:26:16,793 --> 01:26:19,643
I wouldn't say only governments, I would say all criminals,

1292
01:26:19,643 --> 01:26:20,853
and not only governments.

1293
01:26:21,213 --> 01:26:23,393
But every criminal institution, consensor.

1294
01:26:23,683 --> 01:26:25,603
Like, because it requires force.

1295
01:26:25,873 --> 01:26:26,893
That's, that's key.

1296
01:26:27,918 --> 01:26:32,758
Well, but I think like, for example, like Twitter, like it's a private company and

1297
01:26:32,908 --> 01:26:36,758
for example, if they want to go ahead and kick someone out of their platform, even

1298
01:26:36,758 --> 01:26:41,648
though I might not like it, I think the right of them to be able to choose who

1299
01:26:41,658 --> 01:26:45,888
they serve or who they do business with, whose data are they storing, I think it's

1300
01:26:45,888 --> 01:26:50,118
even higher than kind of like, you know, just my opinion for that specific person.

1301
01:26:50,418 --> 01:26:50,928
Like I cannot.

1302
01:26:51,893 --> 01:26:55,313
I cannot explain it to myself, like, why would, let's say, Twitter

1303
01:26:55,323 --> 01:26:58,583
have to go ahead and, like, serve people who they don't want to.

1304
01:26:59,883 --> 01:27:04,323
So, my point was basically just that, you know, that ocean mining, in my opinion,

1305
01:27:04,353 --> 01:27:06,343
is not really, like, censoring anything.

1306
01:27:06,913 --> 01:27:07,943
Absolutely not.

1307
01:27:08,153 --> 01:27:08,253
The

1308
01:27:08,783 --> 01:27:12,083
yeah, like, they are, like, we can call it, let's say, filtering or

1309
01:27:12,083 --> 01:27:14,173
whatever, and that's totally okay.

1310
01:27:14,253 --> 01:27:16,673
They are not forced by the government to do it.

1311
01:27:17,413 --> 01:27:19,563
So I would not call it censorship.

1312
01:27:20,287 --> 01:27:24,026
tricky thing, though, with Twitter, for instance, is when, whatever

1313
01:27:24,036 --> 01:27:29,456
decisions the, the government makes about Twitter, like how much taxes

1314
01:27:29,486 --> 01:27:34,946
Elon needs to pay or something, and then by proxy force, force him to, uh,

1315
01:27:35,016 --> 01:27:39,396
to throw someone off of Twitter, then it is censorship, like, because these

1316
01:27:39,416 --> 01:27:45,506
things do get kept, uh, captivated by government institutions, uh, very often,

1317
01:27:45,506 --> 01:27:47,286
and especially if they get too big.

1318
01:27:47,331 --> 01:27:52,011
So that's the thing, I think that's the core of the problem, that there

1319
01:27:52,241 --> 01:27:56,221
will always be criminals who will use force to force people to do stuff.

1320
01:27:58,001 --> 01:27:59,321
That's why we have the problems.

1321
01:28:00,084 --> 01:28:00,264
Yep.

1322
01:28:00,404 --> 01:28:00,694
Yep.

1323
01:28:01,024 --> 01:28:01,784
And that's the thing.

1324
01:28:01,784 --> 01:28:05,214
I also would like to kind of, you know, like be careful of like with the,

1325
01:28:05,574 --> 01:28:08,894
uh, with the exact wording of like, let's say that if the government is

1326
01:28:08,894 --> 01:28:13,514
pressuring Twitter to kick someone out, I think the government is censoring.

1327
01:28:14,064 --> 01:28:20,264
Twitter has basically the, the option of like, you know, just shutting their whole

1328
01:28:20,264 --> 01:28:23,614
business down because they don't want to kick one guy out of it, or, you know, like

1329
01:28:23,614 --> 01:28:27,184
they don't want to obey the government or something like that, but it's totally

1330
01:28:27,184 --> 01:28:30,244
understandable that they probably will just go ahead and then kick out this

1331
01:28:30,244 --> 01:28:35,564
one guy because they are pressured to do so, but I think it would still, I would

1332
01:28:35,564 --> 01:28:41,649
call it that it's Twitter's personal decision, uh, to do so, even, but they

1333
01:28:41,649 --> 01:28:44,279
are heavily, like, pressured to censor.

1334
01:28:44,509 --> 01:28:47,389
But they are not, like, they are not censoring, they are just choosing

1335
01:28:47,419 --> 01:28:49,079
who they serve or what they do.

1336
01:28:49,559 --> 01:28:51,099
Uh, it's the government that censors.

1337
01:28:52,008 --> 01:28:56,848
And this is so bad because everything is intertwined with government action,

1338
01:28:56,858 --> 01:29:01,748
like every person's every decision is colored by the fact that we have

1339
01:29:01,748 --> 01:29:04,478
governments meddling with people's lives.

1340
01:29:05,758 --> 01:29:09,348
Alright, so, yeah, I had a random thought this morning about this.

1341
01:29:09,768 --> 01:29:15,598
Is, is, um, is God the ultimate central planner and interventionist?

1342
01:29:16,678 --> 01:29:18,108
I think that's a good question for you.

1343
01:29:19,819 --> 01:29:24,749
I mean, I think it just depends on, like, what do we think as God, because,

1344
01:29:24,749 --> 01:29:30,724
like, Like to me, the idea of like having one creator is just something

1345
01:29:30,734 --> 01:29:34,614
that doesn't compute in my head because like, even like, you know, especially all

1346
01:29:34,634 --> 01:29:38,664
Bitcoiners, like we have heard of the, like the concept of division of labor

1347
01:29:39,304 --> 01:29:43,554
and the whole idea that, you know, it's just one thing or one creature that has

1348
01:29:43,644 --> 01:29:49,474
created everything instead of like, you know, a group or, you know, multiple of

1349
01:29:49,514 --> 01:29:51,404
gods or whatever we want to call them.

1350
01:29:52,204 --> 01:29:52,724
I think.

1351
01:29:52,724 --> 01:29:52,794
Yeah.

1352
01:29:53,299 --> 01:29:59,469
Yeah, the having multiple things involved in the whole creation is more likely,

1353
01:29:59,699 --> 01:30:02,409
but like, is it like, centrally planned?

1354
01:30:03,499 --> 01:30:03,969
Yeah.

1355
01:30:04,989 --> 01:30:06,569
I mean, that's a very good question.

1356
01:30:07,095 --> 01:30:09,028
I

1357
01:30:09,598 --> 01:30:12,948
there's, as far as I understand, there are two religious camps

1358
01:30:12,968 --> 01:30:14,188
when it comes to creators.

1359
01:30:14,218 --> 01:30:19,028
And there's one that says that, uh, oh, God just did stuff before the

1360
01:30:19,028 --> 01:30:20,913
Big Bang and set all the parameters.

1361
01:30:21,493 --> 01:30:26,333
And then there's the other group that thinks that they can pray

1362
01:30:26,333 --> 01:30:28,133
and stuff, and God can intervene.

1363
01:30:28,573 --> 01:30:32,333
So either he's a great central planner, or an interventionist.

1364
01:30:33,763 --> 01:30:39,623
And why any of those two would be a good thing, I have a hard time understanding.

1365
01:30:41,889 --> 01:30:48,065
mean, I really love the, you know, was it Epicurean, Dilemma, but

1366
01:30:48,065 --> 01:30:50,765
something like that, you know, like, have you heard of the Epicurean,

1367
01:30:50,885 --> 01:30:52,595
um, like thing regarding God?

1368
01:30:52,935 --> 01:30:56,145
So it's basically like asking, like, is God all powerful?

1369
01:30:56,685 --> 01:31:01,245
And if it's the world is like, if the word is yes, uh, then there is, you

1370
01:31:01,245 --> 01:31:04,485
know, like something like the question of like, okay, well, then why there is

1371
01:31:04,515 --> 01:31:09,875
evil and like, why can't God basically like, you know, just destroy the evil

1372
01:31:09,885 --> 01:31:13,025
or was he aware that there's like, you know, did he create the Satan?

1373
01:31:13,415 --> 01:31:16,235
And if, if yes, why, like.

1374
01:31:16,740 --> 01:31:21,560
And, like, if, like, is Sata more powerful than God, and if not, couldn't

1375
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:23,060
God just go ahead and get rid of it?

1376
01:31:23,480 --> 01:31:26,660
And, you know, like, if you, like, there's, there's a very good kind of,

1377
01:31:26,660 --> 01:31:30,130
like, you know, train of thought, I can just try to find it quickly over here.

1378
01:31:31,256 --> 01:31:32,576
I think I heard that one.

1379
01:31:32,686 --> 01:31:35,281
It's like, uh A flowchart or something, right?

1380
01:31:36,046 --> 01:31:40,176
Yeah, it's, yeah, exactly, flowchart, and it's, uh, Epicurean paradox.

1381
01:31:41,216 --> 01:31:47,146
So how the idea of an all knowing creature just does not make sense

1382
01:31:47,216 --> 01:31:49,686
at all, like, it defies all logic.

1383
01:31:50,558 --> 01:31:51,088
Oh, okay.

1384
01:31:51,118 --> 01:31:51,338
Yeah.

1385
01:31:51,338 --> 01:31:53,998
So evil exists.

1386
01:31:54,278 --> 01:31:54,778
Yes.

1387
01:31:55,108 --> 01:31:57,578
So can God prevent evil?

1388
01:31:57,858 --> 01:32:00,308
If no, then God is not all powerful.

1389
01:32:00,618 --> 01:32:03,948
If yes, does God know about all the evil?

1390
01:32:04,328 --> 01:32:07,808
If no, then God is not all knowing.

1391
01:32:08,178 --> 01:32:11,728
If yes, does the God want to prevent evil?

1392
01:32:12,278 --> 01:32:15,618
If no, then God is not good, and he is not loving.

1393
01:32:15,788 --> 01:32:19,978
But if he wants to prevent evil, then why is there some evil?

1394
01:32:20,470 --> 01:32:23,430
yeah, so the answers could be like, you know, to test us, but if God

1395
01:32:23,430 --> 01:32:26,570
is all knowing, he should know what we would do if we were tested.

1396
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:28,670
Therefore, there is no need to test us.

1397
01:32:29,526 --> 01:32:33,286
yeah, you know, there's this, like, very interesting flowchart exactly about, like,

1398
01:32:33,286 --> 01:32:39,092
how a single all knowing thing Probably, like, you know, not the likeliest,

1399
01:32:39,677 --> 01:32:43,477
No, it's, it's basically, it's basically about cognitive dissonance.

1400
01:32:43,757 --> 01:32:47,857
And, uh, you know, back to thinking fast and slow again

1401
01:32:47,857 --> 01:32:50,997
and why our brains are flawed.

1402
01:32:52,192 --> 01:32:52,562
yep.

1403
01:32:52,692 --> 01:32:55,982
And we want to have that weird piece, just like with relationships, like,

1404
01:32:55,982 --> 01:33:00,312
you know, it's, it's just that we feel so bad when there's a void.

1405
01:33:00,942 --> 01:33:06,022
When there's, when you don't know, and you know, like, when you, when you're alone.

1406
01:33:06,342 --> 01:33:11,582
That's, that is really kind of depressing, and like, it's a big pressure.

1407
01:33:12,482 --> 01:33:16,582
But trying to come up with like crazy stories just to, you know, come up

1408
01:33:16,582 --> 01:33:22,482
with a patch to make yourself like a little bit happier, I mean, sure, if

1409
01:33:22,482 --> 01:33:28,662
it helps you go ahead, but just like I think I said it in a previous episode

1410
01:33:28,662 --> 01:33:33,352
of ours, like, you know, Bitcoiners seem to know that People don't need

1411
01:33:33,352 --> 01:33:36,962
laws, uh, to make them act properly.

1412
01:33:37,052 --> 01:33:40,282
Like, you know, the responsible people will know how to act properly.

1413
01:33:40,512 --> 01:33:43,662
The same thing goes with, like, all of these weird God stories.

1414
01:33:43,962 --> 01:33:49,242
Like, if you are moral, like, you will be moral anyway.

1415
01:33:49,242 --> 01:33:52,342
You don't need to hear, like, weird stories about, like, you

1416
01:33:52,382 --> 01:33:55,482
know, random bearded guys splitting oceans and multiplying fish

1417
01:33:55,482 --> 01:33:56,352
and bread and shit like that.

1418
01:33:56,963 --> 01:34:02,333
There's a great Kurzgesagt video called Optimistic Nihilism about this, that there

1419
01:34:02,333 --> 01:34:09,123
is a, like, making a case for a, um, a worldview which accepts that, you know, in

1420
01:34:09,123 --> 01:34:12,913
four billion years the sun will eat us all and we're probably never getting out of

1421
01:34:12,913 --> 01:34:17,153
here and that everything is pointless, but that might not necessarily be a bad thing.

1422
01:34:19,563 --> 01:34:23,803
It, in fact, it might be what gives a lifetime its value,

1423
01:34:23,873 --> 01:34:25,703
that there is no meaning.

1424
01:34:25,713 --> 01:34:27,323
You can make it yourself and you can.

1425
01:34:28,068 --> 01:34:32,258
Since it's scarce, you have a scarce amount of, a finite amount of time,

1426
01:34:32,578 --> 01:34:33,838
that's what makes it valuable.

1427
01:34:34,672 --> 01:34:35,452
And I like that.

1428
01:34:36,119 --> 01:34:41,399
Uh, hey, so, so, um, yeah, we've dug into a whole bunch of topics, uh, I think I

1429
01:34:41,399 --> 01:34:47,019
could either just toss it back to you, any last thoughts, or maybe, maybe just to get

1430
01:34:47,019 --> 01:34:50,184
in a little bit of practical conversation.

1431
01:34:50,194 --> 01:34:53,694
What's, what's going on at Wasabi ZK Snacks these days?

1432
01:34:55,234 --> 01:34:58,094
So, uh, there's a lot of things going on.

1433
01:34:58,144 --> 01:35:02,434
So you guys have, might probably heard already that, uh, well, like two of

1434
01:35:02,434 --> 01:35:07,674
our original founders, so Nopara and Balint, uh, they both now left the

1435
01:35:07,674 --> 01:35:09,984
project, uh, to work on other things.

1436
01:35:10,564 --> 01:35:14,944
Uh, well, they're also getting, you know, like increasing the family

1437
01:35:14,954 --> 01:35:16,744
size and, you know, things like that.

1438
01:35:16,784 --> 01:35:17,034
So.

1439
01:35:17,524 --> 01:35:21,344
Uh, they're taking their time off and well, basically now the

1440
01:35:21,344 --> 01:35:25,374
project seems to be moving into a bit of different directions.

1441
01:35:25,394 --> 01:35:30,474
So instead of just trying to make a very newbie friendly wallet, uh, that is

1442
01:35:30,494 --> 01:35:35,814
very easy by default, uh, like now we're kind of like moving into more of this.

1443
01:35:36,284 --> 01:35:41,474
Like, let's have an easy default, but we also have to have the optional insight

1444
01:35:41,594 --> 01:35:43,654
and the control options for the users.

1445
01:35:44,229 --> 01:35:49,889
So we want to be able to kind of actually show what does, what was, like, wabi

1446
01:35:49,929 --> 01:35:54,249
sabi, allow users to do, what is going on in their coin joints and everything, and

1447
01:35:54,249 --> 01:35:56,129
for even them to be able to tweak things.

1448
01:35:56,689 --> 01:35:59,269
This is, of course, like, you know, uh, there's a risk to it.

1449
01:35:59,289 --> 01:36:02,189
So one of the biggest feedbacks that we got with 1.

1450
01:36:02,189 --> 01:36:06,029
0 was exactly that, even though we warned people for not doing the bad actions or

1451
01:36:06,029 --> 01:36:10,634
stupid actions, They did them anyway, and people then blamed Wasabi for, you know,

1452
01:36:10,634 --> 01:36:15,604
like, not, like, restricting the user from not doing, you know, stupid things.

1453
01:36:16,174 --> 01:36:21,274
Well, we now restricted it, but I don't think that's the best way to go.

1454
01:36:21,424 --> 01:36:25,494
I think, well, Bitcoiners should be responsible.

1455
01:36:25,704 --> 01:36:30,584
They should, and they Like, they should know how things are working, more or less.

1456
01:36:30,584 --> 01:36:32,004
They should do their research.

1457
01:36:32,004 --> 01:36:36,514
They should be able to, like, you know, learn how UTXO model works and how do you

1458
01:36:36,514 --> 01:36:38,474
actually get some privacy in mainchain.

1459
01:36:38,944 --> 01:36:43,924
It's, it should not be just like a black box and you just trust it.

1460
01:36:44,329 --> 01:36:48,749
So yeah, we're taking that risk again, and I'm kind of pretty

1461
01:36:48,749 --> 01:36:50,349
happy with the direction.

1462
01:36:50,349 --> 01:36:53,529
So there's going to be, you know, like, we're going to be working on,

1463
01:36:53,579 --> 01:36:58,399
like, making payments in CoinJoin now in the probably near future.

1464
01:36:58,539 --> 01:37:02,759
So it's not really like a big privacy improvement, but it's definitely

1465
01:37:02,759 --> 01:37:04,089
like an efficiency improvement.

1466
01:37:05,964 --> 01:37:09,924
Well, I mean, we also actually do have like a re a release coming up probably

1467
01:37:09,924 --> 01:37:15,234
now inside a week or something, which is basically like a, a half a year

1468
01:37:15,324 --> 01:37:17,424
of work that we have put out there.

1469
01:37:17,844 --> 01:37:22,164
Uh, we have not made, you know, like a, a proper release now for half a

1470
01:37:22,169 --> 01:37:26,594
year other than the buy anything button that was kind of like a, just a totally

1471
01:37:26,594 --> 01:37:30,914
separate, uh, you know, thing that we added in and put out this version, this.

1472
01:37:32,709 --> 01:37:33,249
Upcoming 2.

1473
01:37:33,249 --> 01:37:33,249
0.

1474
01:37:33,249 --> 01:37:38,059
6, it will have a huge amount of performance improvements,

1475
01:37:38,349 --> 01:37:43,359
new RPC calls, yeah, all kind of really good, good things.

1476
01:37:44,619 --> 01:37:49,139
But yeah, and especially like, you know, well, I would say that, you know,

1477
01:37:49,149 --> 01:37:51,109
keep an eye on the next few releases.

1478
01:37:51,299 --> 01:37:52,999
There's going to be a lot of very cool stuff.

1479
01:37:54,454 --> 01:37:55,614
Cool, great to hear.

1480
01:37:56,254 --> 01:38:00,094
Yeah, the buy anything, that's the collaboration with Shopinbit, right?

1481
01:38:00,959 --> 01:38:01,729
Yes, yes.

1482
01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:03,539
So we basically.

1483
01:38:04,194 --> 01:38:08,574
I wanted to allow, uh, users who are worried that they don't want to go

1484
01:38:08,574 --> 01:38:11,854
ahead and coinjoin because they don't know if their exchanges will give them

1485
01:38:11,854 --> 01:38:16,164
problems, like troubles for having some private or coinjoined coin.

1486
01:38:16,684 --> 01:38:21,079
So, what we wanted to do instead is So basically, you know, cut

1487
01:38:21,079 --> 01:38:24,669
off that fiat exchange, like, you know, off ramp, we don't need that.

1488
01:38:24,979 --> 01:38:27,909
Like, let's actually endorse, you know, circular Bitcoin economy.

1489
01:38:28,189 --> 01:38:33,249
Let's allow people to buy basically anything legal, um,

1490
01:38:33,279 --> 01:38:35,089
like with their private Bitcoin.

1491
01:38:35,989 --> 01:38:37,929
In the most private possible way.

1492
01:38:38,529 --> 01:38:43,759
So, like, you know, like, we do still have, like, all of the communication that

1493
01:38:43,759 --> 01:38:47,909
you, uh, like, you know, have with the concierge through the buy anything button

1494
01:38:48,219 --> 01:38:53,319
that will all go through TOR and it's only between, like, uh, the client and

1495
01:38:53,369 --> 01:38:57,874
the shopping bit, like, for example, TK Snacks, Doesn't know anything about it,

1496
01:38:58,694 --> 01:39:00,474
but it's none of their business anyway.

1497
01:39:01,514 --> 01:39:06,894
This will basically allow you to talk with a concierge with Tor on by default.

1498
01:39:07,234 --> 01:39:09,964
So you don't have to worry about like your IP addresses also

1499
01:39:09,964 --> 01:39:11,164
leaking into the wrong place.

1500
01:39:11,564 --> 01:39:14,154
And I mean, we cannot teleport you stuff.

1501
01:39:14,639 --> 01:39:18,259
Like, that's something that we haven't yet figured out, so we, like, you know,

1502
01:39:18,259 --> 01:39:21,749
of course, the concierge service will need some kind of an address where to

1503
01:39:21,779 --> 01:39:26,629
send and shift the stuff, but the good parts of it is also that, like, let's say

1504
01:39:26,629 --> 01:39:29,889
you have, you know, like, 10 different items all over the world from different

1505
01:39:29,889 --> 01:39:33,629
countries, different vendors that you are interested in buying, instead of you

1506
01:39:33,649 --> 01:39:36,979
having to go ahead and, like, actually negotiate them with them yourself to

1507
01:39:36,979 --> 01:39:38,119
be able to buy in Bitcoin, Bitcoin.

1508
01:39:38,504 --> 01:39:42,534
And then you have to send all of the 10 different people all of your, like,

1509
01:39:42,624 --> 01:39:44,524
you know, uh, mailing information.

1510
01:39:45,344 --> 01:39:50,004
Now, you can just go ahead and basically send it to, uh, through

1511
01:39:50,004 --> 01:39:51,954
this concierge service in Wasabi.

1512
01:39:52,669 --> 01:39:57,369
And you send it to one person who will then go ahead and order everything

1513
01:39:57,369 --> 01:40:01,339
you need from all of these different places all over the world, and they

1514
01:40:01,339 --> 01:40:03,049
will not use your shipping address.

1515
01:40:03,429 --> 01:40:07,399
They will, like, the shopping bit will be basically ordering all of the stuff

1516
01:40:07,399 --> 01:40:11,349
that you want to their warehouse, where they can also go ahead and

1517
01:40:11,449 --> 01:40:15,429
repackage it, uh, to make sure that the packages are actually private.

1518
01:40:16,014 --> 01:40:19,764
And then they will only ship it to you, so there is no need to share your

1519
01:40:19,804 --> 01:40:23,724
address or, you know, like any of that stuff with a lot of different merchants.

1520
01:40:24,464 --> 01:40:27,924
So it's a, it's a very cool kind of like, you know, a virtual assistant

1521
01:40:27,924 --> 01:40:29,674
that can get you a lot of stuff.

1522
01:40:30,214 --> 01:40:34,314
Of course, like there's a huge demand for it, so now it's like restricted that I

1523
01:40:34,314 --> 01:40:38,904
think the order should be like in total above 1, 000 or something like that.

1524
01:40:39,454 --> 01:40:43,154
But there seems to be definitely like a lot of demand for, for these

1525
01:40:43,154 --> 01:40:44,324
kind of like Bitcoin services.

1526
01:40:45,554 --> 01:40:46,034
Cool.

1527
01:40:46,234 --> 01:40:51,334
So, yeah, we'll keep an eye out for the updates for sure, and you'll have to DM

1528
01:40:51,334 --> 01:40:53,694
me whenever you figure out teleportation.

1529
01:40:54,369 --> 01:40:55,499
Uh, and how to do that.

1530
01:40:55,929 --> 01:40:56,269
Yeah.

1531
01:40:56,954 --> 01:40:57,764
We'll do, we'll do.

1532
01:40:58,704 --> 01:40:59,254
Two weeks.

1533
01:40:59,729 --> 01:41:00,139
All right.

1534
01:41:00,139 --> 01:41:02,379
Hey, Rafe, this has been fantastic.

1535
01:41:02,389 --> 01:41:04,319
Always great to have you on.

1536
01:41:04,369 --> 01:41:07,939
And, uh, now I, I, I think, I think we're, we're wrapping up.

1537
01:41:08,029 --> 01:41:12,879
So, uh, can you just, uh, tell our listeners where they can find you

1538
01:41:12,919 --> 01:41:17,789
and, uh, Wasabi and, uh, anything else you'd like to mention here at the end?

1539
01:41:19,549 --> 01:41:21,749
Well, like I said, it doesn't really matter who I am.

1540
01:41:21,749 --> 01:41:22,899
So forget about that.

1541
01:41:23,009 --> 01:41:26,539
Just go ahead and check out Wasabi, buy Bitcoin and eat some shrooms.

1542
01:41:26,969 --> 01:41:28,649
That's basically all that I want to say.

1543
01:41:29,513 --> 01:41:30,173
All right.

1544
01:41:30,663 --> 01:41:35,313
Well, uh, we'll Get working on all all three as soon as possible, Luke, won't we?

1545
01:41:36,548 --> 01:41:37,218
Absolutely.

1546
01:41:37,268 --> 01:41:39,678
And, uh, I think the only add ons are like, subscribe and

1547
01:41:39,678 --> 01:41:40,748
brush your teeth, right Knut?

1548
01:41:41,183 --> 01:41:41,923
Absolutely.

1549
01:41:42,293 --> 01:41:43,253
And ring the damn bell.

1550
01:41:44,463 --> 01:41:45,243
Take care folks

1551
01:41:45,713 --> 01:41:48,923
All right, this has been the Freedom Footprint Show, thanks for listening.