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If someone keeps getting betrayed, it's because their operating system needs that.

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You can see that it's, you know, like vast ways of humans are like screaming at each other and not realizing that the only way to change that is to see the wheels.

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So with Bitcoin, what that does is you are in the system and then you start going, oh shit, like this is a wheel.

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Like it's happened before many times and you start questioning the whole system and you go, I don't want to be in that system anymore.

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And so you step out of it and you create a new one.

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Rob, welcome.

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Thank you very much.

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I know you are freshly back from holiday and so appreciate you squeezing and making the time to join as you're recovering from a whirlwind trip.

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Um, so what I want to pursue today, Rob, and why I was so excited when I followed you on Noster and discovered your work and started to dig in, read your book, uh, bought it with Bitcoin, which is an added bonus is in the lens or through the lens of Trust Revolution Trust, this project, um, my takeaway, maybe I'm mapping, but my takeaway from studying your work and reading your new book glitch is this.

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we've been trusting the wrong things, not just banks or governments, but our own minds,

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our thoughts, instincts, you know, our gut feelings. And what I think you're telling us,

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Rob, is that we're running these glitchy programs installed in childhood, designed for a world

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in which most of us no longer find ourselves, a world that no longer exists specific to

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our lives and, you know, never step in the same stream twice. And so, you know, what I read and

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take is that these programs, as it were, don't just make us suffer. They make us trust the wrong

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people, the wrong systems at the wrong times. And I probably shouldn't say they make us, but they

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lead us to. And so with all of that, unless I've gotten that, you know, terribly wrong, my first

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question is really about repeated betrayal, maybe self-inflicted. And so someone repeats a pattern.

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They keep choosing romantic partners who abandon them or they stay loyal to leaders who exploit

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them. They recognize it, but they can't stop. So what's the actual mechanism? Why doesn't

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awareness break that cycle? That's a great question. I like what you said make,

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because they do it does it makes there's no um it's a a deep play it's an operating system that

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fires up when we wake up and so it's like um on my mac when when the operating fires up i'm not

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really aware of what's running in the background it it just gives me what i perceive as reality

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and yeah what i've um what i've come to understand is that um you know your question was about

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betrayal so what i've come to understand is that there are five very simple deep operating systems

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that that create our reality and and make us how we are unconsciously counterintuitively

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always giving us what we want when we don't seem to want that, if that makes sense.

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So with betrayal, if someone keeps getting betrayed, it's because their operating system

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needs that.

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So for example, if you're on the left side of, I don't want to jump in too much for someone

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who hasn't read the book yet, but the way the mind works is through very simple programs

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from childhood.

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So it's a child.

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So it's very binary.

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So let's say if you're on the left side of the hamster wheel, that's where you reside.

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What that would mean is that you support everyone in order to try and get your needs met.

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But your needs cannot be met from that centralized binary system that you've created.

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So let me describe the hamster wheel, which is the program.

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it's support and the opposite word that I came up with from listening to many clients was let down

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like you you support a child or you let them down so if you're on the left you go up the hamster

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wheel and you spend your time people pleasing and supporting others but you are never supported back

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and you feel let down you but I supported them why don't they support me back

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For a left-sided, they want to be up here, but they're safe on the left, in letdown, as a disappointment.

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So even though that is massively, observably harmful and negative, it's where we feel comfortable and therefore we return to that place.

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A hundred percent.

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So these are defense systems created by a child who's scared.

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And so what I say is like what we're all trying to do within the system, and I say we all, all humans, because maybe there is someone that doesn't work with a mind, but it seems that the operating systems comes with the unit of a human, right?

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And so when that left-sided person is up there supporting others, because they didn't get their needs met of love, connection, belonging in childhood, so they want the next best thing, which is being valuable to others.

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So valuable is like plastic love.

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It's an illusion.

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There's nothing, you know, you'll get a little high when people go, oh, wow, you're so kind, nice boy, you know, well done, or, oh, an Oscar, or you win a gold medal at the Olympics.

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Dopamine? Is that good old dopamine?

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But immediately, I've worked with athletes who've said, you know, they got the gold medal.

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And instantly after they got it, they spun back to the other side.

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I'm jumping forward a little bit.

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But let's say so that the left side, you can see that it's a hamster wheel.

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Because you run up and if you watch a hamster, they either flip themselves over,

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kind of they go too fast, but they always flip over and the wheel balances.

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The wheel never continues. You never see someone who can keep the wheel balanced. It's an impossibility. So you put all your energy to the right because you're desperately trying to be valuable in others' eyes, but the program is glitchy and you don't deserve to be there.

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So you either get completely exhausted or you flip over.

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And so then you experience letdown.

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So I get clients who come see me and say, you know, my partner, I, you know, I'm really kind.

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I'm trying to do everything with my kids or whatever.

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But then I feel let down by them or I feel like I'm letting myself down.

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So that would be a left-sided position on that particular wheel.

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If you're on the right, you can support yourself.

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so you you create it's a binary you're either left on the right okay this is and you don't don't trust

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don't trust me verify you know if you watch you'll see that it's a protocol that is it's

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runs on these five wheels so if you're on the right then you you support yourself you're confident

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and you usually marry someone who supports you and you love value you love being valuable

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and you know what valuable is so you usually get the type of yang dominant right-sided who

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very wealthy or elite athletes are on the right and they hate being a letdown being a disappointment

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They cannot deal with that.

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because you have to face that.

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putting energy in at all costs.

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the more you try and reach the zenith,

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the more you get the nadir.

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He flips hard. And you just need to see it in, I was watching Alex Pereira, the UFC fighter interview earlier. For some reason it popped up and he was saying he was working, you know, he was traveling too much. He was fighting too much because he loves to do it to distract himself.

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All the right-sided people distract themselves and they use substances to try and distract them from that wheel.

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And so he was saying that he burnt out and he broke his shin, which is how a right-sided person experiences the opposite side is it is forced upon them.

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So they get flipped hard.

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So when I work with a right-sided person, it's when they hit the disappointment hard and they have much more difficulty there because that is not safe.

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they are safe being supporting themselves and when they can't inevitably as a as the unit

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as i see it like you create your reality and if if you watch that don't trust me if you look

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you'll see that there everything is coordinated with your perception and your hamster wheels

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it speaks to me deeply i am definitely on the right side of that wheel okay okay and so yeah

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When I'm working with a right-sider, they – and every – you know, it's not right and left like in America.

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We should underscore that.

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We're referring to the wheel.

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There will be links in the show notes to the fact this is in fact a series of wheels that you refer to in your work.

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You can see it in politics and Twitter and everything.

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What I notice is that people on the right, to experience micro, let's say they're so able, they will balance out their wheel by experiencing the opposite, unable, unableness, by having a vice that they cannot control.

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So addictions are just trying to get out of the wheel.

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They call it chasing the dragon, heroin addicts.

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Or alcohol.

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And they go there, they come back and they experience what straight afterwards?

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Unableness.

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So it's inevitable.

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It's a system, a closed system loop that is like a protocol and a VR.

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It's kind of like VR.

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And people are trying harder and harder, putting their energy in.

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But the game's rigged.

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It's glitchy.

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And so the Taoist knew thousands of years ago, Lao Tzu knew, he said, you know, it's Wu Wei.

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The only way to do is through non-doing, observing your habitual operating system.

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Fascinating.

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And I'm, yeah, I could spend so much time here.

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I love this stuff.

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And as I say, you know, right-sider, fortunately, not as a disclaimer, you know, I don't have the curse of addiction, but I can observe in myself that it is when either something I perceive to be a failure, I get sick, I get worn down, you know, I'm better than I used to be.

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But that's when I can recognize that those are the moments that I'm quietly grateful for because they allow me to rest.

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They give me an excuse not to achieve, perform, whatever that looks like.

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And then I'll ask another follow-up question here, I suppose philosophical, but important to me, is what's really striking about what you said, Rob, is as someone who spent a fair bit of time studying Eastern philosophy, thinking about non-duality, but recognizing that what you said feels very true, that it is binary.

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It's one or the other.

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We're on the right or the left.

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We flip.

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There is no balance in effect.

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Is that, you know, unless maybe somebody at the top of a mountain in Nepal perhaps, but certainly not in my life.

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So most of us, we're operating in one of these two modes, not in between.

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There's no opening yourself up to the other side is the way.

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and if you um you learn about the self so meditation for me means understanding the self

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you know yes krish kristin amurthy's you know saying um it's understanding the self which is

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like a black box it's just uh this just churning out the same old hamster wheel oh you know it's

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just running and so um if you go in a monastery and you don't have kids you don't have a wife

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you can't know yourself yeah you can become extremely quiet but there's no there's no

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truth there you are artificially uh quieting things to and it's so you know you have a kid

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That is the greatest area of practice.

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But it is.

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So you cannot know yourself in a monastery.

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But Buddhism is wonderful.

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You just have to listen to what Buddha said.

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My butchered take on it is like he sat on a tree and he went, oh, I've got it.

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It's just the mind.

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And just watch it and don't, you know, there's anything in the idea.

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And then he said, that's all you have to do.

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Watch your mind and don't follow me.

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And then, but humans love to follow because they're desperately after certainty, hamster

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wheels, certainty programs.

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Well, and that's a great segue to my next question, which is so, and if not obvious,

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a big fan of the book and I do recommend and we'll provide a link to that. It has,

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as I mentioned before, we started recording, many things clicked for me and I'm sure we'll continue

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to. So you've mapped these, or in the book rather, you map these five hamster wheels and we've

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talked about a couple of them, these programs installed as it were in childhood in response to

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whatever environment, be it traumatic or some other disconnected. Thank you. Connected or

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disconnected, as you say in the book. So to address disconnects in our lives as children,

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we develop or these programs, as you say, are installed. Could we zoom in a bit? How do these

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programs, this operating system, how does it determine who we see as trustworthy? How does

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that map on to who we choose to trust? Well, there's no trust in them.

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if you think about it the the disconnect happens maybe you know even before birth I don't you know

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remember but most people especially if it's extremely traumatic they don't remember anything

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about childhood so if you imagine let's say you're born into two parents who are disconnected

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how many people are disconnecting everyone and so you experience disconnect and you blame yourself

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there's no there isn't it i was i would say it's like a light switch it's you can't have it

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like half on it dim right it's on or off and so people go yeah but my parents were not like

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how many people find it how many people how many parents are constantly with their kids and fully

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connected and completely unconditional. It's extremely difficult, especially in our modern

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world, right? And so it's a one or a zero. And everyone I've gone through says, yeah,

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there's a zero. There was a disconnect. So disconnect moves, you know, if there's a

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disconnect, it means you're not, you experience that as an abandonment, no trust. That point

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You don't abandon them.

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You don't throw your Bitcoin away.

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It's valuable.

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So you don't throw – you chuck things away that you don't value.

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So when a child logically experiences kind of things, I'm abandoned, or experiences a disconnect, abandonment, then they perceive that they're worthless.

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This is, you know, it's possible that it happens in minutes from when they experience the disconnect.

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So there we have the worthlessness, that initial disconnect like the gold standard.

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Right, right.

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And so it becomes untrustworthy.

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And then you either, and I don't know why, but you either choose the right or the left to try and be valuable.

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Now, being valuable to others means you don't trust that you're enough.

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Extrinsic versus intrinsic.

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And so you get, I mentioned it in the book, Sylvester Stallone in his documentary, which was excellent, very, very open.

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He said at the end, I realized after 80 years that I spent my whole life trying to be valuable to my audience to get their love.

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to realize that it was an illusion.

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And there was no worth there.

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that were the most valuable thing.

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and so uh he didn't trust himself to be enough so he became legend you know celebrity is that

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the left they don't trust themselves and so they spend all their time trying to be nice to others

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and trying to be more able to be valuable to others the system's built on um uh uh

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a flaw that like there's that is the initial birth of the the mind it's untrustworthy and that

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there's fractals to that i mean you can go in and look at your life and your parents and then your

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family you know the family and society which reflects back at us right distrust well and

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perhaps the the and that's really interesting to me and it's an important point i would think to

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underscore that in those environments, in those settings of situations with these programs running

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on these wheels, these hamster wheels, we're not, we're simply not thinking consciously or making

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these decisions about trust. It is just, we are driven by, I don't know if urges are the right

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word, but, but these compulsions to, to be, to be valued, to, to, to seek out that which we,

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we desperately lack.

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And so maybe the better question is what sorts of,

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of well people are able to make sound decisions regarding trust there themselves others their community You know so that perhaps an overly vague question

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But so the inverse of what you've just discussed,

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what puts us in a position to make sound decisions about simply, you know,

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choosing to trust ourselves, our family, our guts, as it were,

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versus, I guess, being subject to the whims of media and messages and manipulation.

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What does good look like in that regard?

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Yeah.

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So, first of all, within the system, you have people who become extremely valuable by making

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trustworthy decisions.

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And define valuable in that context, please, Rob.

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Let's say Jeff Bezos.

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Like, he seems to be good at what he does.

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he's made a company that's extremely valuable because everyone trusts it.

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Yes.

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With that, I mean, my parents don't like it because they don't pay tax in the UK,

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you know, like they should pay rich, you know, he's a billionaire.

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But objectively as measured by revenue, his personal net worth, et cetera.

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That's correct.

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However, him, to trust yourself, you have to understand yourself.

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And that can only come from, in my first book, I called it decentralized mind, but it comes from observing your habitual drives that are not intelligent.

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They are survival programs.

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Right.

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So when, if you look at NOSTA, let's say, there's a lot of people posting, they're going down rabbit holes and getting angry.

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You know, what they're looking for is the truth.

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Bitcoin is a desperate for the truth.

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Yes.

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Because they don't want to be unable.

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Yes.

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And they want to be safe.

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So all Bitcoin, everyone who's in Bitcoin, they know how valuable it is.

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And they're either the right or the left.

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They know there's something extremely special about this.

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And so everyone's looking to be safe.

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So the left, they trust in it because it's this thing on its own.

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It's a protocol and TikTok next block.

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You can trust it.

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However, you see with the knots and the core, you're getting extreme language because there's a lack of trust.

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But it's all of their own hamster wheels getting triggered.

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And they're feeling unable, like core is doing this and there, and you can hear the fear behind

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the anger. Right. That's how I look at it. And so what I do is when I see that,

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how can I know who to trust? How can we know? What we do is we observe our fear. That's the

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only thing I can trust is, is my mind. The only thing I can trust about my mind is that it,

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it moves and works and I watch it and I get to know it.

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That is the only thing I can trust.

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And, you know, Bitcoin, like I know that Bitcoin sort of does its thing.

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It's remarkable.

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But I can't know, you know, someone recently was saying chemtrails,

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you know, they're doing this with chemtrails and chemtrails.

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And I thought when I think about that, I feel fear

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because it makes my, it triggers my hamster wheel of being unable, the wrong, it's wrong.

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They're damaging the environment, which will make me unable, my kids unable. So the only thing I know

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for certain about chemtrails is that it triggers my, and this is something individual that you have

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to go through yes but if i want to change that out there the only thing i can do is change my

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internal coding and and move into that admin mode right and so i could become and i've spoken to so

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many people about this one thing i could go out there and fight and force but if you watch you're

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in the mind and you're going to get the opposite you the more you force one side of the wheel

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yang you you'll get the yin the unableness and so what i do is if i want to change the game

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which is rigged and glitchy well i have to work on my on the code that is creating it yeah that's

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so powerful and it's i am struck by in this moment how despite reading a hundred books

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no exaggeration you know there is there is only the practice that matters right and so

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So, you know, above the neck, below the neck.

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And hearing you say that reminds me and frankly causes me to reflect on the naivety of asking the question I asked in a way, right?

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Which is that how do we know what to trust and who to trust?

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And what you're telling us very critically is that everything, you know, as I think Buddhist thought tends to go to many, many wonderful metaphors and one of them being the dirty mirror, you know, and the fact that we're seeing ourselves and we're seeing the world through a fog or a dirty mirror and the way to clean that.

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How can you trust that reflection?

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Right, right.

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And to only, you know, the only method to do that is to know the mind, to be present and to be aware.

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Yeah.

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And that is very profound.

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And let's dig in a bit more, and I'd love to draw more of this out for those who perhaps are not so familiar with the material and with the subject matter.

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So, you know, I have, I'm sure you have watched and you've referenced this and you do in your book and in your work and in your coaching, highly intelligent people, founders, executives, the technically sophisticated Bitcoiners, you know, as we'll use that as a bookmark for those who are generally quite technically sophisticated.

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make what I think are obvious mistakes.

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And it is they're staying in toxic relationships, romantic business, otherwise, ignoring screaming red flags,

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sirens in their lives that we maybe it's, you know, we've got that buddy who we want to flog

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because he just won't, you know, wake up and sort of see what we see.

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They have all the information, but they still get it wrong.

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And so this is another take at what I know we've discussed, but perhaps again to sort of further draw this out.

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What's happening in those situations?

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How does the programming override intelligence, intellect, and access to information?

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Yeah.

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Like if you look at the Fed.

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Great example.

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They're clever, right?

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They're much more clever.

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5,000 PhDs, was it?

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I think the latest stat I saw.

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Yeah, they're much more clever than me.

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5,000 PhDs.

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We could say, yeah, but dealing with second and third orders and the complexity of the economy.

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But what I'm talking about is, can that system be saved?

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Can you change anything within the fiat system?

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Well, you can pull some levers, but you're in a closed system and you have to create a new system.

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You can't change the system from within the system.

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Jeff Booth, right?

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Yes.

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And others.

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And so when you use your interlite, you're running hamster wheels.

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You're running four-year-old.

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You're four-year-old.

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And all of them, like his one, and it's almost like I shouldn't say it, like David Deutsch.

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Deutsche Bank.

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No, no, forget me.

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He's the branding guy.

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David Deutsch, the philosopher, the epist...

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Oh, epistological?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Epistological?

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I missed that by a mile.

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Okay, got it.

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Naval says he's the king.

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Okay, okay.

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One of the most intelligent people.

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And so I'm like, I keep an eye on him.

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I'm like, okay, what can I learn from him?

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And then I go on his Twitter and he's anyone who says anything about Israel.

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Okay.

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And I'm not, I don't want to get into that.

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I'm not.

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No, we don't need to disclaim.

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I think it's just objectively true that that is a hot button.

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He blocks them and says, you're completely brainwashed and you're in denial.

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What program is he running?

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Ah, well, he, you know, he is nicely on the right and doesn't like to be made unable.

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And I'm going to keep underscoring, we do not mean right political spectrum.

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We mean the right side of this particular hamster wheel.

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No, no, no.

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Here's another one, Nassim Taleb.

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Yes.

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He creates the book Anti-Fragile.

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Yes, and becomes incredibly fragile.

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It's inevitable.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And you go...

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Well, it helps, and why is it inevitable, Rob?

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Because he's running inside his mind.

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His ego identity, the mind is what is.

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So he's fully in his intellectualized system, but he doesn't realize that the underlying, like I can do amazing things with my Mac, but if the operating system's glitchy, it's going to go wonky, right?

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Right.

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So Nassim Taleb is like so far up on the right and he's so, the harder you put the energy in, you're going to flip and experience the opposite, which is people saying he's fragile and worthless.

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Would he accept it?

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No.

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That is denial.

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It's the inability to see your own unableness.

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So the harder you are on the right, the more you're going to experience the left.

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Very powerful.

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And I think, I mean, you know, again, I just keep reflecting on my own stuff, which I won't dump into this conversation, but it is just, yeah, I am experiencing the truth of what you're saying.

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Yeah, you know with Bitcoin, when people say, oh my God, it just changes you. When you see something that's truthful, you shine light into darkness.

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Yes.

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And so, like I said, what I did was I was on a farm in Germany writing my first book.

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And there was something that happened where I just said, I have to watch my mind now.

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I remember it clearly.

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There was no one around.

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It was deadly quiet.

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It was uncomfortably silent and dark and cold in the winter.

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My family was like 20 kilometers away and I was writing.

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and I was purely alone and I just started watching.

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And I mean, that's when I took full responsibility.

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I said, I have to stop.

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I have to stop this habitual that I'd seen.

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I'm 53.

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I've seen it so many times.

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And so I started to watch and through watching,

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and then as I explain in the book,

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which I think I find that fascinating myself is someone said to me,

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yeah, I've got this and then that.

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And I was writing on my board over here and I was like, and then I drew the circle.

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And so through observing, I saw this protocol, like an open source behavior and everyone said, oh my God, that's me.

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And it developed from there and put a hundred percent just from my own watching of myself.

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And so when you see the truth, I wrote an email about it.

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There comes a point where you can't improve the iPhone anymore, like the shape.

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It looks like an iPhone.

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Diminishing returns.

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Diminishing returns.

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And so it comes to a point where something's good.

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You can't make it much better.

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It's kind of like an airplane wing.

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you know you it's a sort of incremental changes have occurred to that over the last 50 100 years

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exactly but it's now it's you everyone goes as an airplane wing and so when you start to watch and

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you see the wheels and you start to you go oh my god yeah it's as clear as day but it it takes

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responsibility and i would add certainly my own life as as you know many many many wise people

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have said is that without awareness, we fall back into it moment by moment by moment by moment.

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And that is the challenge, I think.

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You're either present and you can't force presence. I did that. You know, I read Power

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of Now and I forced myself for two years. I was like, you know, like looking around.

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Just through sheer will and effort.

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A hundred percent. And I was completely numb. It helped me at that time. But now I realize

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you're either in the mind or not, centralized or decentralized.

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And most people are fully centralized and they think they're safe.

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But the book is really showing that there's a rigged game

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and they're a hamster and they're not going anywhere.

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That's why I think it may have even been Max DeMarco

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who I was talking to and with the hamster.

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He goes, oh, it looks like a hamster.

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And then I drew a hamster and I put a tail.

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And it might have been him that said, no, it looks like a poo.

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And then we had a laugh.

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So I started drawing humans in the hamster wheel.

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But that is, the mind is a prison and it's suffering.

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So for me, I've read a lot of things that go into too complex.

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And I had to see the simplicity of it.

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It is, of course, there's complexity in the simplicity.

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but uh the simple but not easy exactly and you know listening to krishnamurti who

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fundamentally is saying the same thing you need to observe yourself um is he is he the i i should

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know this but he he also said be here now uh he he said um or was that no he said the highest form

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of intelligence is being able to observe your behavior with without comment is one of his

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class is to be able to observe your behavior and not go, oh, that's good or that bad.

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It's just to see.

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Sorry, please.

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Yeah, no, please.

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Yeah, it's just to see.

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And what's so profound about this, and again, why I was and am so delighted to have this

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conversation, is as is my tendency, and as, frankly, a lot of this show, is focused on,

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let's, speaking of operating systems, you know, let's switch to Linux.

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Let's switch to Graphene OS.

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Let's use Bitcoin.

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let's use privacy-preserving technologies.

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But underneath it all is the individual and the mind.

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And so make all of the changes you want at these higher levels.

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You know, in terms of making change, it matters effectively little.

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00:36:27,945 --> 00:36:30,545
And I think that's what I would love for people to take away from this.

437
00:36:30,685 --> 00:36:38,085
And so where I'd love to go now, Rob, is having established that we individually are all,

438
00:36:38,085 --> 00:37:05,225
As you said, prisoners of our own minds. And I think that is not a black pill. That is a phenomenally powerful awareness that we can bring. So how do millions of people, billions of people rather, running the same program since childhood lead to these systemic breakdowns we're seeing and appear to be accelerating? So what's the connection between these individual personal patterns and societal dysfunction?

439
00:37:05,225 --> 00:37:21,165
The disconnect and subsequent manipulation, our operating systems manipulate to be valuable.

440
00:37:22,445 --> 00:37:24,225
So people pleases manipulate.

441
00:37:24,985 --> 00:37:28,505
When I tell people pleases, you're trying to manipulate to be valuable.

442
00:37:29,305 --> 00:37:33,545
So you use, you make people happy, it's manipulation.

443
00:37:33,845 --> 00:37:35,165
Yes, which is a painful.

444
00:37:35,225 --> 00:37:36,905
It's a whole realization. I've been there.

445
00:37:36,905 --> 00:37:59,005
Yeah. And also being successful is you're trying to make people think you're hoping that it will make people love you. So that manipulation and disconnect is inevitably reflected in our society.

446
00:37:59,005 --> 00:38:06,705
so you know if i go really like sometimes i wonder you know this is my game

447
00:38:06,705 --> 00:38:15,825
i found bitcoin when i started to find myself and what is it possible you know that there's a

448
00:38:15,825 --> 00:38:22,626
connection there for me um i talk about in the book about i i do a chapter nine and three quarters

449
00:38:22,626 --> 00:38:28,305
where i talk about bitcoin i try and walk people through as logically as i can because i got some

450
00:38:28,305 --> 00:38:34,945
pushback from early readers like you know spiritual people and i'm like i need to make it

451
00:38:34,945 --> 00:38:44,285
more understandable and i said there's fractals to trauma so there's my own and then there's the

452
00:38:44,285 --> 00:38:49,646
family that are repeating everyone's triggering each other's hamster wheels and reinforcing the

453
00:38:49,646 --> 00:38:57,565
conditioning and then that uh the community and society and then so there are these huge

454
00:38:57,565 --> 00:39:08,626
wheels um and you can see that it's you know like vast ways of humans are like screaming at each

455
00:39:08,626 --> 00:39:16,805
other and not realizing that the only way to change that is to see the the the you know the

456
00:39:16,805 --> 00:39:24,985
wheels and so with with bitcoin what that does is you are in the system and then someone says

457
00:39:24,985 --> 00:39:29,965
You start reading, you know, the Bitcoin standard or like I did.

458
00:39:30,126 --> 00:39:34,845
And then you start going, oh, shit, like this is a wheel.

459
00:39:34,985 --> 00:39:36,965
Like it's happened before many times.

460
00:39:37,146 --> 00:39:43,205
And you start questioning the whole system and you go, I don't want to be in that system anymore.

461
00:39:43,765 --> 00:39:46,265
And so you step out of it and you create a new one.

462
00:39:46,265 --> 00:39:59,225
And the fractal is that there's the ultimate wheels are creating and you're experiencing life through those.

463
00:39:59,525 --> 00:40:07,765
So on an individual level, if I want to be, if I want to change anything, I have immediately look at myself.

464
00:40:08,585 --> 00:40:19,065
That's the only – and so if we all did this internal work and freed ourselves from our own deep conditioning, then that is the only way to change society.

465
00:40:19,305 --> 00:40:21,525
I hear you say that we ultimately have to bring it back.

466
00:40:21,525 --> 00:40:22,825
There's no other way.

467
00:40:23,186 --> 00:40:32,065
And the question I asked, I had some sense, but I was still genuinely deeply interested to know if there's this latticing that we can sort of look at.

468
00:40:32,065 --> 00:40:46,885
But what I think I hear you say is there are, as you put it, these fractal, these gears are turning in ways that build up to more, you know, from simple machines to complex machines in effect.

469
00:40:47,825 --> 00:40:49,925
And that may or may not be productive.

470
00:40:49,925 --> 00:40:57,845
But what we can know, what we do know, is that in order to fix it, in order to change, it has to start at the individual level.

471
00:40:57,845 --> 00:41:09,005
And I think what's so powerful about what you wrote about Bitcoin is I think if I got it right, you called it collective consciousness technology that removes vulnerabilities in our programming.

472
00:41:09,166 --> 00:41:12,365
And so I'd love to have you walk us through that.

473
00:41:13,085 --> 00:41:13,126
Yeah.

474
00:41:13,365 --> 00:41:13,965
Just come in.

475
00:41:14,865 --> 00:41:23,205
Some people might be going, yeah, but how like this is system screwed and there's anger and fear.

476
00:41:23,205 --> 00:41:31,146
If you watch Jeff Booth, when he talks about the system, he understands it.

477
00:41:31,325 --> 00:41:32,825
There's no need for emotions.

478
00:41:33,865 --> 00:41:55,231
He doesn go ah and get energy Yeah he remarkably calm and collected Yes Right because he understands the truth When you understand the truth you know when my daughter overtired if she just starts screaming and I don know like someone might walk past and go oh she so badly you know her trauma gets triggered

479
00:41:55,311 --> 00:41:55,951
That's wrong.

480
00:41:56,131 --> 00:41:58,011
But I know my daughter's tired.

481
00:41:58,371 --> 00:41:58,871
Right.

482
00:41:59,211 --> 00:42:00,331
And so I hold her.

483
00:42:00,771 --> 00:42:02,051
I understand.

484
00:42:02,051 --> 00:42:13,871
And so that's why when we start taking responsibility for what's out there, there's no separation.

485
00:42:14,671 --> 00:42:16,271
Like that needs to be seen.

486
00:42:16,391 --> 00:42:17,111
We're not separate.

487
00:42:18,111 --> 00:42:21,331
We're all, everything is a field or whatever.

488
00:42:21,471 --> 00:42:21,911
It's all interconnected.

489
00:42:22,331 --> 00:42:23,011
Yes, absolutely.

490
00:42:23,011 --> 00:42:31,411
And so when you start looking at your – when you go on Twitter and you see someone say something and you go, what?

491
00:42:31,751 --> 00:42:32,331
How can they –

492
00:42:32,331 --> 00:42:32,511
Right.

493
00:42:32,551 --> 00:42:33,651
The rage swells.

494
00:42:33,871 --> 00:42:34,031
Yeah.

495
00:42:34,131 --> 00:42:41,551
If I post or even think I'm – the frequency is conflict with reality.

496
00:42:42,271 --> 00:42:48,631
So I go, okay, there's something I don't – there's something not truthful about how I'm thinking.

497
00:42:48,791 --> 00:42:49,491
I go within.

498
00:42:49,931 --> 00:42:51,551
I dissolve the wheel.

499
00:42:51,551 --> 00:42:58,891
I look for which one it is, dissolve it, and then that is no longer, I'm not drawn to it anymore.

500
00:42:59,171 --> 00:43:01,071
And that changes that.

501
00:43:01,831 --> 00:43:08,651
And if everyone did it, it would change everything.

502
00:43:09,751 --> 00:43:12,051
Bitcoin is helping us do that.

503
00:43:12,051 --> 00:43:21,691
And I can imagine and I'll be eager to get feedback, to get comments on hippy-dippy, right?

504
00:43:21,731 --> 00:43:22,451
It's this hippy-dippy.

505
00:43:22,911 --> 00:43:26,391
And as I said before we started, I mean, it has been deeply profound.

506
00:43:26,531 --> 00:43:33,951
Eastern philosophy has been immeasurably meaningful to me in understanding myself and working through my own junk.

507
00:43:34,791 --> 00:43:38,531
And so I experience and feel the truth of what you're saying.

508
00:43:39,131 --> 00:43:40,651
It is tempting.

509
00:43:40,971 --> 00:43:47,931
And I think, you know, we'll keep referencing Jeff because he does such an exceptional job of saying don't invest energy into systems that, you know.

510
00:43:47,931 --> 00:43:49,811
You said Eastern philosophy.

511
00:43:50,931 --> 00:43:53,291
I would say it's not philosophy.

512
00:43:54,411 --> 00:43:55,831
It's truth.

513
00:43:56,931 --> 00:43:57,451
Better said.

514
00:43:58,391 --> 00:44:04,271
And so when they see the protocol and they talk about it in different languages.

515
00:44:04,591 --> 00:44:05,771
The laboratory of the mind.

516
00:44:06,391 --> 00:44:07,471
Yeah, and they see it.

517
00:44:07,471 --> 00:44:10,051
Then every, I've always done it.

518
00:44:10,131 --> 00:44:20,391
I've always, what is first principles with, you know, this, when I was working in elite sport, I'm always trying to go, okay, what gets results?

519
00:44:20,511 --> 00:44:22,451
And truth gets, like when you find the truth.

520
00:44:22,711 --> 00:44:23,771
Capital T truth.

521
00:44:23,771 --> 00:44:24,311
Yeah.

522
00:44:24,311 --> 00:44:29,791
And so when you see Eastern philosophies, you're drawn to the truth there.

523
00:44:30,031 --> 00:44:38,651
And people create stuff on top that is normally ego.

524
00:44:38,731 --> 00:44:39,331
Ornamental.

525
00:44:39,651 --> 00:44:40,071
Yes.

526
00:44:43,331 --> 00:44:46,391
There's this mind centralized.

527
00:44:47,391 --> 00:44:48,991
It's not intelligent.

528
00:44:48,991 --> 00:44:54,111
David Bohm, who criticized Krishnamurti's work as being too complex.

529
00:44:54,111 --> 00:44:55,491
And I found it that way.

530
00:44:55,491 --> 00:45:06,031
So for me, the hamster wheels is a framework to help you see this, the mirage and the sleight of hand of the mind.

531
00:45:06,751 --> 00:45:11,891
And David Baum said, yes, the mind is just like a computer, computer programs and their scripts.

532
00:45:12,191 --> 00:45:13,031
They're not intelligent.

533
00:45:13,891 --> 00:45:15,411
They're just, if you watch.

534
00:45:16,151 --> 00:45:20,111
Yeah, they just, and people react to them.

535
00:45:20,111 --> 00:45:33,631
So it comes down to something so simple as when a Bitcoiner watches that centralized system, there's the flames coming up and they're drinking the coffee.

536
00:45:34,111 --> 00:45:34,831
Yeah, yeah.

537
00:45:34,831 --> 00:45:44,231
The same goes for when you start to realize that the mind is the, and you just go, and you watch it.

538
00:45:44,411 --> 00:45:46,051
It's the guy on the roller coaster.

539
00:45:46,671 --> 00:45:46,991
Right.

540
00:45:47,311 --> 00:45:48,291
And you're completely free.

541
00:45:49,071 --> 00:45:49,211
Yes.

542
00:45:49,211 --> 00:45:58,491
It doesn't mean you don't have a cold wallet and you don't leave your kids walking along.

543
00:45:58,771 --> 00:46:01,831
I leave them as much as I can, but I don't take them to your-

544
00:46:01,831 --> 00:46:04,571
You're not excused from inaction or bad choices.

545
00:46:04,571 --> 00:46:09,691
The effortlessness, the way is found.

546
00:46:10,831 --> 00:46:11,991
This is why I want to explain.

547
00:46:12,211 --> 00:46:18,091
When you do step out of that system, everything becomes effortless.

548
00:46:18,091 --> 00:46:22,491
and Lao Tzu said it, Buddha said it.

549
00:46:23,011 --> 00:46:24,111
It's a non-doing.

550
00:46:24,251 --> 00:46:26,491
When everything balances, the energy is there.

551
00:46:27,071 --> 00:46:28,911
You find the right way.

552
00:46:29,011 --> 00:46:30,151
It just comes to you.

553
00:46:30,951 --> 00:46:33,831
So there's not like, you don't sit there and do nothing.

554
00:46:34,491 --> 00:46:36,611
You just, when you watch your hamster wheels

555
00:46:36,611 --> 00:46:38,211
and they start to dissolve,

556
00:46:38,571 --> 00:46:40,271
then your intelligence comes through.

557
00:46:40,491 --> 00:46:41,311
That's intelligence.

558
00:46:41,311 --> 00:46:44,171
This, you know, Nassim Taleb,

559
00:46:44,351 --> 00:46:47,071
he can't even see how ridiculous.

560
00:46:47,071 --> 00:46:55,031
he was because the mind is a closed loop and it's not intelligent deeply profound and again i'm i

561
00:46:55,031 --> 00:47:00,271
feel myself sort of re i so integrating and reintegrating what you said and i'm using our

562
00:47:00,271 --> 00:47:07,791
minds aren't we yes right we do use our mind yes and so we're just you know we're when you asked me

563
00:47:07,791 --> 00:47:16,311
that um one of your questions sorry and i maybe no this went off and i like i'm like well we trust

564
00:47:16,311 --> 00:47:20,871
what is true. And, you know, and again, I don't want to sort of force the topic here, but what I

565
00:47:20,871 --> 00:47:26,471
take away is, as you said, and I appreciate the clarification that, and I do confess, I perhaps

566
00:47:26,471 --> 00:47:33,351
will say Eastern philosophy to soften it for some. I shouldn't, you know, I do see it as objective

567
00:47:33,351 --> 00:47:38,851
truth and I appreciate that clarification. Yeah, right. And therefore, I mean, I would say that,

568
00:47:38,931 --> 00:47:45,231
you know, what I again take from this particular part of the conversation is we know what is true

569
00:47:45,231 --> 00:47:54,711
If we are quiet and we listen and we observe and we know in our guts, for lack of a better way to put it, what to trust, who to trust.

570
00:47:55,091 --> 00:47:59,851
But only, only if we can quiet the mind.

571
00:48:00,371 --> 00:48:02,951
And as you said, I love this idea of dissolving the wheels.

572
00:48:03,591 --> 00:48:04,171
Right, right.

573
00:48:04,431 --> 00:48:06,771
You could – Conor McGregor.

574
00:48:06,851 --> 00:48:11,331
I don't know why I use MMA people so much, but they're kind of exaggeration.

575
00:48:11,751 --> 00:48:12,371
Yeah, right.

576
00:48:12,371 --> 00:48:16,631
Conor McGregor, people were putting him like a seer.

577
00:48:17,211 --> 00:48:20,491
He was like, whatever I imagine in my mind, I create.

578
00:48:20,611 --> 00:48:22,351
And he had that fight with Aldo.

579
00:48:22,451 --> 00:48:26,391
And before the fight, he knew the exact move that was going to knock him out.

580
00:48:26,431 --> 00:48:28,171
And he knocked him out in four seconds.

581
00:48:28,271 --> 00:48:29,071
It was incredible.

582
00:48:30,351 --> 00:48:37,951
And then I'm like, okay, but he can use that energy of the right side.

583
00:48:37,951 --> 00:48:40,951
But it comes with...

584
00:48:40,951 --> 00:48:41,871
At what cost?

585
00:48:41,871 --> 00:49:04,651
At what cost? And then you see that he experiences huge swings to the other side. So you can use your mind, but you have to be very, come at it from a, be very aware. Is it habitual hamster wheels? Or are you looking at this very, without emotions, calmly?

586
00:49:04,651 --> 00:49:20,291
Well, and again, I think I'm sort of reeling here thinking about so much of what I've read and studied, the almost canonical primary texts within Buddhism, the canon.

587
00:49:20,291 --> 00:49:35,811
So many references to an action one can take when the mind is clouded can be a completely different outcome as the same action when the mind is clear.

588
00:49:36,111 --> 00:49:36,611
100%.

589
00:49:36,611 --> 00:49:38,731
And I take you to say that.

590
00:49:38,811 --> 00:49:40,491
And I think that's so powerful.

591
00:49:42,151 --> 00:49:47,211
Well, so with that, I just keep – yeah, I'm going to have to edit out my –

592
00:49:47,211 --> 00:49:47,731
You can only know that.

593
00:49:47,731 --> 00:49:48,951
I'm going to edit out my pondering.

594
00:49:48,951 --> 00:49:51,171
Sean, you can only know that.

595
00:49:51,851 --> 00:49:53,811
But shifts are happening, right?

596
00:49:54,191 --> 00:49:59,951
But you can only know that what they said is true by experiencing it in yourself.

597
00:50:00,531 --> 00:50:01,311
Yes, yes.

598
00:50:01,311 --> 00:50:04,511
So you can read the Buddhist scripture for-

599
00:50:04,511 --> 00:50:05,711
You have to sit on the cushion.

600
00:50:06,191 --> 00:50:06,331
Yeah.

601
00:50:06,491 --> 00:50:07,671
You have to wash the dishes.

602
00:50:07,931 --> 00:50:08,091
Yeah.

603
00:50:08,191 --> 00:50:12,331
Or go watch yourself when you get triggered by your daughter or my daughter.

604
00:50:12,931 --> 00:50:13,411
Absolutely.

605
00:50:13,411 --> 00:50:17,191
That is where I, and I'm observing and I see the programs.

606
00:50:17,851 --> 00:50:19,151
They are just programs.

607
00:50:19,151 --> 00:50:32,611
And so I'm simple and I'm just constantly looking what is the simple, oh, it's just a program, it's a script, I have it, I need to observe that.

608
00:50:32,911 --> 00:50:33,771
What's it doing?

609
00:50:33,891 --> 00:50:38,191
I do that and I get pleasure and then I get that and I get the disappointment.

610
00:50:38,771 --> 00:50:43,031
And I look at it enough times, I know it, and then I don't need anyone.

611
00:50:43,031 --> 00:50:49,891
you we are our own sovereign individuals yes so bitcoin has got to understand i'm not

612
00:50:49,891 --> 00:50:58,011
this isn't about me or my book it's about we're talking about if you look it is the same for

613
00:50:58,011 --> 00:51:05,531
everyone and it's the key you have to see the bars the bars are the programs absolutely and

614
00:51:05,531 --> 00:51:09,911
when you observe them enough they dissolve and then you're free and you can only walk that

615
00:51:09,911 --> 00:51:15,371
yourself. And I'm sure there are many wise books that say the same thing.

616
00:51:16,011 --> 00:51:18,091
10,000 gates. Yeah.

617
00:51:18,171 --> 00:51:26,991
As the Tibetans would say to awareness or to nirvana. But well, and I think what's so powerful

618
00:51:26,991 --> 00:51:35,531
about that is, well, maybe the question I have floating in my mind right now, to what degree

619
00:51:35,531 --> 00:51:47,111
does Bitcoin to stay on that topic? Does it become a path, a gateway into becoming aware

620
00:51:47,111 --> 00:51:53,691
of the things we've discussed? Or is it with a certain level of awareness that one can,

621
00:51:54,191 --> 00:51:59,291
you know, I don't want to sort of hold Bitcoin up as nirvana, but right. So which comes first?

622
00:51:59,571 --> 00:52:05,511
Is it a certain level of clarity? I'll just use that word that allows us to recognize the truth

623
00:52:05,511 --> 00:52:12,891
of Bitcoin? Or is Bitcoin the thing that changes us, in your view?

624
00:52:13,411 --> 00:52:17,531
Yeah, I think for me, it's being the finger.

625
00:52:18,691 --> 00:52:19,531
Pointing to the moon.

626
00:52:20,051 --> 00:52:27,971
Yeah, I think so. Like, yeah, I like using it. And in using lightning, I go,

627
00:52:27,971 --> 00:52:37,931
wow i can't do that in this system so it's kind of i then go okay i'm going to use that

628
00:52:37,931 --> 00:52:46,651
the path of least resistance or right i um you know there's i know a lot of very much more clever

629
00:52:46,651 --> 00:52:55,011
you know bitcoiners coders that see in you know i've i talk whenever i talk with knut

630
00:52:55,011 --> 00:53:03,311
like my brain's going yeah so i know well and yeah yeah awesome so funny yes yes he's he's funny

631
00:53:03,311 --> 00:53:12,311
because he has the he's he's got that logicalness and he's quite blunt which i respect yeah and he

632
00:53:12,311 --> 00:53:17,171
he can hold lots of thoughts and come up with funny things and also a damn fine guitar player

633
00:53:17,171 --> 00:53:18,351
I've jammed with him a couple of times.

634
00:53:18,691 --> 00:53:18,811
Yeah.

635
00:53:18,971 --> 00:53:19,451
Amazing.

636
00:53:19,611 --> 00:53:19,811
Right.

637
00:53:20,111 --> 00:53:20,271
Yeah.

638
00:53:20,731 --> 00:53:32,071
So for me, all I can say is when I think about losing my Bitcoin, I get fearful.

639
00:53:33,151 --> 00:53:33,711
Absolutely.

640
00:53:34,111 --> 00:53:35,051
And then I go in.

641
00:53:35,611 --> 00:53:44,091
When I see the price go up and I feel safer, I look, what does that mean?

642
00:53:44,491 --> 00:53:45,091
Right.

643
00:53:45,091 --> 00:53:53,091
Because ironically, the more Bitcoin goes up, it is possible the less safe Bitcoin is getting.

644
00:53:54,231 --> 00:54:00,311
So out there is, and Bitcoin is, you know, the world is Nirvana.

645
00:54:00,571 --> 00:54:01,291
This is heaven.

646
00:54:01,991 --> 00:54:02,771
It's incredible.

647
00:54:03,011 --> 00:54:03,951
The Citadel theory.

648
00:54:04,671 --> 00:54:04,891
Yeah.

649
00:54:04,991 --> 00:54:09,311
When I see something that bothers me, when I get bothered, I just go within.

650
00:54:09,311 --> 00:54:19,611
so bitcoin for me is a part of my reality and and it helps me to see my own issues i'm so glad i

651
00:54:19,611 --> 00:54:26,951
bought when i did and it's opened up and it's changed me by showing me um with the finger

652
00:54:26,951 --> 00:54:35,631
analogy the system and it's incredible how that system is hooking everyone's hamster wheels and

653
00:54:35,631 --> 00:54:44,011
spinning them harder. And social media as part of that is, if you want to sell, hook people's

654
00:54:44,011 --> 00:54:54,191
hamster wheels. The psychology is, all those self-help books are hooking the lefties to be

655
00:54:54,191 --> 00:55:03,471
more successful and the righties to stay up there. So it just reinforces that system. So I understand

656
00:55:03,471 --> 00:55:05,351
that Bitcoin is creating a new system.

657
00:55:05,631 --> 00:55:08,111
So for me, it's just like that.

658
00:55:08,171 --> 00:55:09,711
I don't go too much into it.

659
00:55:09,951 --> 00:55:14,011
I love Jeff Booth's stuff and Preston Pierce

660
00:55:14,011 --> 00:55:17,731
and these people who can understand the economy

661
00:55:17,731 --> 00:55:18,691
and how it changes.

662
00:55:18,691 --> 00:55:19,631
The macro, yeah.

663
00:55:19,791 --> 00:55:21,271
Yeah, I find that fascinating,

664
00:55:21,391 --> 00:55:22,651
but I just come back and I go,

665
00:55:22,731 --> 00:55:24,851
the only thing that's invaluable to me

666
00:55:24,851 --> 00:55:27,651
is to see my programs that disconnect me

667
00:55:27,651 --> 00:55:31,031
from my children, from humanity.

668
00:55:31,031 --> 00:55:34,291
and that's where I prioritize.

669
00:55:35,731 --> 00:55:38,911
Our locus of control is right here.

670
00:55:39,171 --> 00:55:42,031
Yeah, and the only thing is truthful when it comes,

671
00:55:42,431 --> 00:55:44,691
the only thing I can know is true is that I'm fearful.

672
00:55:44,891 --> 00:55:45,211
Wow.

673
00:55:46,011 --> 00:55:47,231
Or I'm angry.

674
00:55:47,651 --> 00:55:48,531
The truth of suffering.

675
00:55:49,531 --> 00:55:50,691
And the end to suffering.

676
00:55:50,691 --> 00:55:50,871
Yeah.

677
00:55:52,251 --> 00:55:53,491
And you know that.

678
00:55:53,991 --> 00:55:57,211
So I can't know how you're thinking, feeling,

679
00:55:57,811 --> 00:56:00,071
but I can know that if I start to think,

680
00:56:00,071 --> 00:56:05,271
Am I disappointing in this talk?

681
00:56:05,611 --> 00:56:07,111
Am I speaking too much?

682
00:56:07,671 --> 00:56:10,791
Or am I letting myself down?

683
00:56:11,311 --> 00:56:13,331
I know that that's my program.

684
00:56:13,751 --> 00:56:16,751
And I pick up little Rob, say, hey, it's okay.

685
00:56:17,211 --> 00:56:18,751
And then I'm back with you.

686
00:56:19,011 --> 00:56:29,951
And what a tremendous and I think courageous thing for each of us to do, right, is rather than as I am very guilty of thinking I can intellectualize, I can think my way.

687
00:56:29,951 --> 00:56:34,471
out of most anything, or that we should be tougher.

688
00:56:34,931 --> 00:56:37,411
You know, we should soldier through stiff upper lip,

689
00:56:37,491 --> 00:56:38,471
all this discipline.

690
00:56:39,791 --> 00:56:42,211
And here again, you know, as I've said so many times

691
00:56:42,211 --> 00:56:45,431
during this conversation, what I feel and know to be true

692
00:56:45,431 --> 00:56:47,931
is that it is only in those moments

693
00:56:47,931 --> 00:56:51,991
when I'm incredibly humble and recognize the limits

694
00:56:51,991 --> 00:56:55,531
of my intellect, my mind, that I am at my best

695
00:56:55,531 --> 00:56:56,751
in those moments.

696
00:56:56,931 --> 00:56:58,351
It may not last for more than a moment,

697
00:56:58,351 --> 00:57:00,251
but those moments are glorious.

698
00:57:00,591 --> 00:57:00,771
Yeah.

699
00:57:00,931 --> 00:57:02,711
If I can just string enough of them together,

700
00:57:03,151 --> 00:57:03,591
it's a good day.

701
00:57:03,711 --> 00:57:05,231
The hamster wheel is exhausting.

702
00:57:05,971 --> 00:57:06,311
Yes.

703
00:57:07,151 --> 00:57:09,291
And so what you said to me is

704
00:57:09,291 --> 00:57:11,891
when I can realize that I'm unable,

705
00:57:12,211 --> 00:57:13,931
then I can be me.

706
00:57:14,891 --> 00:57:15,371
Right.

707
00:57:15,891 --> 00:57:18,071
And then you are your best.

708
00:57:18,251 --> 00:57:18,411
Yeah.

709
00:57:18,571 --> 00:57:20,511
Multiply that by a few million to a few billion

710
00:57:20,511 --> 00:57:21,771
and we're in a good spot.

711
00:57:22,471 --> 00:57:23,431
Well, on that note,

712
00:57:23,531 --> 00:57:26,351
what I'd love to do now, Rob,

713
00:57:26,351 --> 00:57:30,951
is to sort of end on a bit of practical advice,

714
00:57:30,951 --> 00:57:32,151
if we can ask you for that.

715
00:57:33,291 --> 00:57:37,391
So we have talked about the world as it is.

716
00:57:37,471 --> 00:57:40,091
We've talked about Bitcoin as a tremendous mechanism

717
00:57:40,091 --> 00:57:44,311
to change ourselves and thus society and the world.

718
00:57:44,851 --> 00:57:47,951
But as we, as individuals, sort of continue to operate

719
00:57:47,951 --> 00:57:50,591
with this compromise, rather, judgment

720
00:57:50,591 --> 00:57:54,491
that our childhood programming drives within us,

721
00:57:54,491 --> 00:58:01,311
we're sort of stuck, most of us. And so you point to practices like admin mode,

722
00:58:01,791 --> 00:58:07,391
mineral restoration, stepping outside the system designed to trigger us, which we've talked a bit

723
00:58:07,391 --> 00:58:16,231
about. What does the path forward actually look like for individuals trying to cultivate reliable

724
00:58:16,231 --> 00:58:24,791
judgment and, as if I may say, you and your family are doing in Madeira, to do work, to

725
00:58:24,791 --> 00:58:27,631
build systems that lift us up.

726
00:58:27,631 --> 00:58:34,571
So sort of at the individual level, what do you recommend and what do you think, what

727
00:58:34,571 --> 00:58:40,591
are you hopeful about perhaps in a community like Madeira or, you know, as more people

728
00:58:40,591 --> 00:58:43,531
sort of wake up to what's wrong and what's possible?

729
00:58:43,811 --> 00:58:45,191
You might not remember all of that.

730
00:58:45,191 --> 00:58:46,471
Yeah, that was a bad one.

731
00:58:46,671 --> 00:58:50,411
So let's start with things like admin mode and mineral restoration.

732
00:58:50,431 --> 00:58:55,031
So right now, there's going to be two types of reaction to what we're talking about.

733
00:58:55,491 --> 00:59:00,051
If you're on the left, you're going to feel hopeful.

734
00:59:00,831 --> 00:59:01,451
Left side of the wheel.

735
00:59:01,711 --> 00:59:02,171
I'll keep it right.

736
00:59:02,171 --> 00:59:02,371
Left side.

737
00:59:02,591 --> 00:59:03,991
You're going to feel excited.

738
00:59:04,551 --> 00:59:07,151
Like, watch that.

739
00:59:08,011 --> 00:59:09,311
That is the mind.

740
00:59:09,851 --> 00:59:11,151
So start to watch.

741
00:59:11,311 --> 00:59:14,431
Oh, I'm going to, you know, maybe I can get better.

742
00:59:14,431 --> 00:59:15,591
I can feel more able.

743
00:59:17,191 --> 00:59:17,391
Okay.

744
00:59:17,591 --> 00:59:21,311
If you're on the right, you might be going, oh, this is bullshit.

745
00:59:21,311 --> 00:59:25,491
Or he doesn't know about this or that.

746
00:59:26,231 --> 00:59:30,171
And might feel a little uncomfortable with what we're talking about.

747
00:59:30,211 --> 00:59:30,711
It's possible.

748
00:59:30,891 --> 00:59:34,311
I mean, the right side might be like, wow, this is awesome.

749
00:59:34,611 --> 00:59:37,531
I'm going to blow through the glass ceiling.

750
00:59:37,771 --> 00:59:38,951
I'm going to be unstoppable.

751
00:59:39,851 --> 00:59:39,991
Right.

752
00:59:39,991 --> 00:59:51,091
That is the, when you can start to become aware of your own reaction to information, that is a program and it's not you.

753
00:59:51,651 --> 00:59:53,471
That's where rubber hits the road.

754
00:59:53,711 --> 00:59:55,151
This is the difficult part.

755
00:59:55,671 --> 01:00:00,551
Your reaction, yeah, your thoughts and your reactions need to be observed.

756
01:00:01,211 --> 01:00:04,531
And when you start to observe them, you might go, what?

757
01:00:05,371 --> 01:00:06,551
That's how I am.

758
01:00:07,511 --> 01:00:09,931
So, right people will feel unable.

759
01:00:09,991 --> 01:00:15,671
and they might go, I'm not doing this, which would be you're going to do it at some point.

760
01:00:16,291 --> 01:00:16,791
At some point.

761
01:00:17,451 --> 01:00:23,431
It's how much suffering do you need? There's no way out of the system. Just like with Bitcoin,

762
01:00:23,651 --> 01:00:25,571
people get it at the price they deserve.

763
01:00:26,071 --> 01:00:31,131
I read my mind. You will step out of the system at the price that it costs.

764
01:00:31,671 --> 01:00:37,571
Yeah. And so you might have to wait until you have cancer. And people might go, you can't say

765
01:00:37,571 --> 01:00:45,131
that, I work with people. You've observed it. You're right about it. Yeah. And so an unableness

766
01:00:45,131 --> 01:00:51,751
experience will come. And so I don't want to, I'm not, you know, I'm just telling you the truth.

767
01:00:52,151 --> 01:00:58,691
That's. Yeah. Jump, jump, don't be pushed is what I take from that. With the book, what I try to do

768
01:00:58,691 --> 01:01:04,991
is just explain, like when you look at it, there are these five simple programs where it comes down

769
01:01:04,991 --> 01:01:14,511
to it's like the root of your thought so you might be going oh um uh you know israel that oh they're

770
01:01:14,511 --> 01:01:25,791
so hateful and oh okay which because that's taken me away from my present moment yes which hamster

771
01:01:25,791 --> 01:01:31,971
wheel in me was triggered by that thing out there and then i go well it's wrong it's wrong what

772
01:01:31,971 --> 01:01:40,351
they're doing and then you feel anger and so you start to see the whole program running and then you

773
01:01:40,351 --> 01:01:47,611
say okay it's okay because that does nothing getting angry we know that in you know in a fight

774
01:01:47,611 --> 01:01:54,811
it's that angry fighter who loses it's the right it's no emotions is where you hit flow state

775
01:01:54,811 --> 01:02:01,851
so it's not useful to be emotional it doesn't mean you suppress your emotions you just say

776
01:02:01,851 --> 01:02:08,251
why am I emotional and look for the corresponding hamster wheel. It's just a framework, but it's

777
01:02:08,251 --> 01:02:15,091
there to be seen. Once you see that, what you do is you start to dissolve the habit.

778
01:02:16,611 --> 01:02:22,571
Okay. So as simple as that, these are just habit thoughts. You've got to see that they're habits

779
01:02:22,571 --> 01:02:26,411
and they're four-year-old level programs.

780
01:02:26,411 --> 01:02:41,776
Yes yes How do we So how do we best get to admin mode Yes You know what is in the body or what do we perhaps need to do to better enable Alphonse

781
01:02:41,776 --> 01:02:42,156
Whenever we're triggered.

782
01:02:42,856 --> 01:02:43,376
Yeah.

783
01:02:43,776 --> 01:02:46,276
Or we feel we can't...

784
01:02:46,276 --> 01:02:50,316
So the right-siders will go, they can't do nothing.

785
01:02:50,676 --> 01:02:51,876
That is going to be...

786
01:02:51,876 --> 01:02:55,616
when a righty starts to go, yeah, but I'm bored.

787
01:02:56,456 --> 01:02:57,876
I can't not do anything.

788
01:02:58,436 --> 01:02:59,756
That needs to, what's happening?

789
01:03:00,516 --> 01:03:01,256
Be aware of that.

790
01:03:01,516 --> 01:03:04,476
Yeah, and the left is like, I should be doing more,

791
01:03:04,576 --> 01:03:05,236
should be doing better.

792
01:03:05,296 --> 01:03:06,316
I didn't do that enough.

793
01:03:06,716 --> 01:03:09,636
So you're either on the right, up at the top,

794
01:03:09,716 --> 01:03:11,976
like grinding, compulsive doing,

795
01:03:12,516 --> 01:03:14,336
or you're on the left and you're not doing.

796
01:03:14,816 --> 01:03:16,876
You're making excuses or you're self-sabotaging

797
01:03:16,876 --> 01:03:20,056
and you're hoping, you go, I wish I was there.

798
01:03:20,056 --> 01:03:27,656
you just have to see that that's um and however if you're listening you do it how you do it

799
01:03:27,656 --> 01:03:36,796
just do it like the only way you can do it is yourself i've just i've got this weird

800
01:03:36,796 --> 01:03:44,036
long-term thing of looking for patterns like i can't like it was a it's a trauma-based thing

801
01:03:44,036 --> 01:03:48,256
but it helped me to see danger in advance.

802
01:03:48,816 --> 01:03:50,856
And so I can see patterns.

803
01:03:51,356 --> 01:03:53,436
And so I did that for myself and I was like,

804
01:03:53,496 --> 01:03:56,436
oh my God, this is completely changing my reality.

805
01:03:56,676 --> 01:03:58,676
And then I did it for clients and they're like,

806
01:03:59,116 --> 01:04:01,116
oh my God, this is completely changing my reality.

807
01:04:01,316 --> 01:04:02,296
So it's that.

808
01:04:03,216 --> 01:04:04,656
So there are the hamster wheels.

809
01:04:04,796 --> 01:04:06,176
With the remineralization,

810
01:04:06,696 --> 01:04:10,876
what we need to understand is that our perception programs,

811
01:04:10,876 --> 01:04:12,276
our hamster wheels,

812
01:04:12,276 --> 01:04:19,916
our body responds so if you're on the right side you're usually going to have high testosterone

813
01:04:19,916 --> 01:04:26,076
because you support yourself and you think you're a winner right when you flip you're

814
01:04:26,076 --> 01:04:32,896
going to get massive depression okay in your testosterone unableness so a team that wins

815
01:04:32,896 --> 01:04:37,476
at football uh the team that wins they have a spike in testosterone the team that loses

816
01:04:37,476 --> 01:04:44,336
it decreases so we we have um the lowest levels of testosterone ever recorded throughout the world

817
01:04:44,336 --> 01:04:51,636
i think we can clearly say why well look at our system everyone feels completely unable right and

818
01:04:51,636 --> 01:04:59,856
unless maybe you're a bitcoin right so um what happens is uh testosterone is built the hormones

819
01:04:59,856 --> 01:05:06,316
the precursors the hormones are the minerals so we have batteries and and again you don't i don't

820
01:05:06,316 --> 01:05:08,876
I'm not a biochemist or a biologist or anything.

821
01:05:09,236 --> 01:05:12,756
What I do know is that we're batteries and we need minerals.

822
01:05:14,176 --> 01:05:19,356
And so I talk about in the book that one of the key minerals is copper, a metal.

823
01:05:19,996 --> 01:05:22,676
And it is so reduced in our diet.

824
01:05:22,676 --> 01:05:33,616
And in the Chinese medicine, it is a general to iron, which is the most pro-oxidant aging element in the world.

825
01:05:33,616 --> 01:05:36,716
and they add it to our food supply.

826
01:05:37,876 --> 01:05:45,216
Because the Fiat medical system saw that when you have iron dysregulation,

827
01:05:45,376 --> 01:05:47,276
which means you have low iron in the blood,

828
01:05:47,276 --> 01:05:53,796
they didn't realize that it was being shunted into the tissues as a way to get,

829
01:05:54,196 --> 01:05:58,236
I don't know if I use this in the book, but if you imagine there's a bunch of,

830
01:05:58,336 --> 01:06:01,136
I've got to be careful here, not use a race,

831
01:06:01,136 --> 01:06:09,256
like a bunch of bikers come to a bar and the bouncers go shit quick hide the alcohol right

832
01:06:09,256 --> 01:06:16,896
right yeah you can because the bounce is hepcidin and so it moves when you have stress or viruses

833
01:06:16,896 --> 01:06:26,736
stress yes the hepcidin starts to shunt iron into the tissues because iron to viruses is like crack

834
01:06:26,736 --> 01:06:31,376
cocaine, like bikers to alcohol. So, yeah. So clear it out of the bar.

835
01:06:31,756 --> 01:06:39,696
So then the blood level drops. So the medical science said, oh, you have low iron. You should

836
01:06:39,696 --> 01:06:47,176
shovel in iron. Wow. Of course. I mean, that's, yes, I'm sure I could find a hundred doctors in

837
01:06:47,176 --> 01:06:52,856
my city that would tell me that. Yeah, yeah. And they add it to the food supply,

838
01:06:52,856 --> 01:06:55,736
raw iron filings, right?

839
01:06:55,816 --> 01:06:57,456
So again, it's that fear,

840
01:06:58,056 --> 01:06:59,596
you know, you could say fear clown word.

841
01:07:00,036 --> 01:07:00,856
Yes, it is.

842
01:07:00,936 --> 01:07:01,196
It is.

843
01:07:01,276 --> 01:07:02,116
Let's call it what it is.

844
01:07:02,356 --> 01:07:04,996
I understand that they don't know

845
01:07:04,996 --> 01:07:05,816
what they don't know.

846
01:07:06,636 --> 01:07:07,976
And yet the outcome.

847
01:07:09,256 --> 01:07:11,316
I actually think that that might be

848
01:07:12,136 --> 01:07:14,676
killing millions,

849
01:07:15,676 --> 01:07:17,076
that one decision.

850
01:07:17,076 --> 01:07:19,496
But, you know, fear mind,

851
01:07:19,656 --> 01:07:21,996
the mind cannot see

852
01:07:21,996 --> 01:07:26,736
first, you know, second. Right. Order effects.

853
01:07:27,116 --> 01:07:32,276
Order effects. Third order effects. So, you know, I talk about Morty Robbins in the book. I like him

854
01:07:32,276 --> 01:07:39,136
because he's a researcher and looks old, very old before pharmaceutical took over research.

855
01:07:39,836 --> 01:07:46,116
And it shows, I think they say that if you want to give rats or mice heart disease,

856
01:07:46,116 --> 01:07:47,816
make them copper deficient.

857
01:07:48,276 --> 01:07:49,656
Like that's how they do it.

858
01:07:50,596 --> 01:07:52,696
So in the book, I just say like,

859
01:07:53,776 --> 01:07:57,236
you just eat as much as you can,

860
01:07:57,316 --> 01:07:58,296
organic whole food.

861
01:07:59,276 --> 01:08:02,736
However, the soil is so damaged, right?

862
01:08:02,856 --> 01:08:05,976
Which is part of our feed system.

863
01:08:06,356 --> 01:08:08,536
Yeah, so sometimes you're going to need supplement

864
01:08:08,536 --> 01:08:11,456
because the battery gets,

865
01:08:12,456 --> 01:08:15,396
Morley calls it magnesium burn rate,

866
01:08:15,396 --> 01:08:18,796
which is a critical mineral, is magnesium.

867
01:08:19,216 --> 01:08:21,496
So when we're stressed, hamster wheel,

868
01:08:21,956 --> 01:08:23,416
it burns through magnesium.

869
01:08:24,456 --> 01:08:25,916
And so that creates...

870
01:08:25,916 --> 01:08:29,396
I mean, I personally am on a pretty high dosage

871
01:08:29,396 --> 01:08:31,756
of magnesium and vitamin C, a particular C,

872
01:08:31,836 --> 01:08:33,636
I forget which, I did the research.

873
01:08:33,936 --> 01:08:36,356
Yeah, not ascorbic, ascorbic.

874
01:08:36,356 --> 01:08:36,756
Thank you.

875
01:08:37,156 --> 01:08:37,436
Right.

876
01:08:37,676 --> 01:08:37,936
Yes.

877
01:08:38,196 --> 01:08:39,016
Yeah, non-ascorbic.

878
01:08:39,096 --> 01:08:40,496
Whole food vitamin C.

879
01:08:41,096 --> 01:08:41,356
Yes.

880
01:08:41,476 --> 01:08:43,116
And so I have just observed, you know,

881
01:08:43,116 --> 01:08:50,436
in myself, my mood, my energy level. Which is decentralized medicine, so to speak. You see

882
01:08:50,436 --> 01:08:56,256
what works by observing. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, and so I think, and again, I would encourage

883
01:08:56,256 --> 01:09:03,036
people to read the book and to study your material. But I think the TLDR is, as you say,

884
01:09:03,236 --> 01:09:10,616
our bodies are batteries for the mind. The mind is where all of what we experience, you know,

885
01:09:10,616 --> 01:09:19,976
initiates or has passed through. And in order to change anything, any large system, it begins with

886
01:09:19,976 --> 01:09:27,296
us. Is there anything else that you would draw out, Rob, as calls to action? You know, what do

887
01:09:27,296 --> 01:09:33,096
you think are the things that are most pressing for people watching to do to, you know, again,

888
01:09:33,116 --> 01:09:38,516
I'll bring it back to sort of reclaim agency to trust themselves so that they are not so

889
01:09:38,516 --> 01:09:47,496
subjected to trusting. Yes. Yes. I mean, if you trust yourself, you take responsibility for things.

890
01:09:49,096 --> 01:09:56,016
If you don't trust yourself, then you rely on others. And it doesn't mean you're stupid to,

891
01:09:56,456 --> 01:10:02,716
there's, you know, I have a special forces friend and I go, I'm not going to speak to him. I'll do

892
01:10:02,716 --> 01:10:08,176
my own security. We do outsource some things in life, rightly so. Yeah, yeah, of course,

893
01:10:08,176 --> 01:10:13,396
which is logical, but if I don't go to him, that's my hamster wheel.

894
01:10:14,256 --> 01:10:15,576
I think I can do it better.

895
01:10:16,196 --> 01:10:17,976
Or if I over-rely on someone.

896
01:10:18,796 --> 01:10:21,476
Coming back to the mineral thing, hereditary,

897
01:10:21,936 --> 01:10:26,096
if you look at hereditary, well, you're not,

898
01:10:26,616 --> 01:10:31,196
yeah, the genes are the same, but it's the hamster wheels

899
01:10:31,196 --> 01:10:33,156
that pass down through the generations.

900
01:10:33,836 --> 01:10:36,876
So the hamster wheels create the mineral deficiencies

901
01:10:36,876 --> 01:10:45,656
that create schizophrenia. And addictions are the programs passed down. It's encoded. And

902
01:10:45,656 --> 01:10:52,956
I think it's encoded even before we're born, but I can't know that.

903
01:10:53,776 --> 01:11:00,236
I have a parent who, as I've shared with you, suffered from addiction and ultimately ended

904
01:11:00,236 --> 01:11:06,756
my father's life. I'll go so far as to say openly. And so that is particularly powerful for me not

905
01:11:06,756 --> 01:11:12,236
to make it about me, but again, a truth that I have experienced. My brother and I both,

906
01:11:12,236 --> 01:11:16,196
my brother and I both, brother and I both, excuse me, it gets a little emotional,

907
01:11:16,756 --> 01:11:21,476
fought hard and continued to fight hard to not let those things take hold.

908
01:11:22,476 --> 01:11:24,416
Yeah, and that, if we, sorry.

909
01:11:25,156 --> 01:11:25,416
Please.

910
01:11:25,576 --> 01:11:27,816
I'm going, I'm jumping in.

911
01:11:27,816 --> 01:11:28,876
I gave it to you, run with it.

912
01:11:28,896 --> 01:11:35,476
But it's important, this, everything that you don't want to be like him is within you.

913
01:11:36,216 --> 01:11:36,496
Yes.

914
01:11:36,756 --> 01:11:44,836
So everything you're fearful of becoming is you're energizing it by trying to do the opposite.

915
01:11:45,756 --> 01:11:49,776
And I wrote about it just the other day about being a father and being fearful of being a bad father.

916
01:11:50,076 --> 01:11:50,456
Yes.

917
01:11:51,236 --> 01:11:53,216
I did a video once.

918
01:11:53,396 --> 01:11:56,116
It's not very good, like how not to become your parents.

919
01:11:56,636 --> 01:11:58,176
It blew up.

920
01:11:58,176 --> 01:12:04,456
So I would say that that's so valuable.

921
01:12:04,896 --> 01:12:05,716
That's gold.

922
01:12:05,716 --> 01:12:09,156
It's like, oh, okay, I'm playing that level of the game.

923
01:12:10,076 --> 01:12:15,916
And so, you know, you'll see, when you see your hamster wheels, you'll see his hamster

924
01:12:15,916 --> 01:12:16,196
wheels.

925
01:12:16,476 --> 01:12:16,816
Yes.

926
01:12:17,136 --> 01:12:19,196
And then you'll know.

927
01:12:19,196 --> 01:12:21,776
Which are some of the most painful realizations I've had in life, personally.

928
01:12:21,776 --> 01:12:22,096
I bet.

929
01:12:22,396 --> 01:12:23,176
Yeah, mine too.

930
01:12:23,476 --> 01:12:26,876
And then through knowing, you don't forgive.

931
01:12:27,236 --> 01:12:31,796
It's through knowing that you obviously forgive.

932
01:12:32,616 --> 01:12:35,036
So some people say, oh, you should forgive him.

933
01:12:35,716 --> 01:12:38,856
No, know the truth and there's no forgiving.

934
01:12:40,116 --> 01:12:40,596
Wow.

935
01:12:40,896 --> 01:12:42,256
Know the truth and there's no forgiving.

936
01:12:42,436 --> 01:12:43,736
That is incredibly powerful.

937
01:12:44,956 --> 01:12:48,496
Yeah, you just need, if you know, it's instant.

938
01:12:48,616 --> 01:12:53,576
If you know why and what he went through and why he did what he did, there's nothing to forgive.

939
01:12:53,876 --> 01:12:57,556
It's just his programs that are in you and they're in me.

940
01:12:58,476 --> 01:13:00,736
I don't want to be a bad father.

941
01:13:00,736 --> 01:13:08,096
And I wrote about it also the other day where I shouted, I immediately went into admin mode.

942
01:13:08,376 --> 01:13:10,036
And then afterwards, I'm so sorry.

943
01:13:10,456 --> 01:13:19,716
I have no right to, through verbal force or coercion or force, make you do anything.

944
01:13:20,676 --> 01:13:28,816
She is my daughter, but that gives me no right to, unless there's a car coming and I pull her out of the way.

945
01:13:28,816 --> 01:13:29,536
Of course, of course.

946
01:13:29,536 --> 01:13:33,796
Yeah. And so we're dealing with parents who didn't know that.

947
01:13:34,376 --> 01:13:49,936
Yes. Yes. Well, and I think, you know, as we wrap up, and I'm very grateful, Rob, it's been meaningful and profound. And I mean that sincerely. And I just will have a great deal to think about for the next days and weeks.

948
01:13:49,936 --> 01:14:09,196
I'll reiterate to those who maybe expected more, you know, Bitcoin talk or more discussion of VPNs or whatever it is, that the reason I wanted to and have been delighted to have this conversation is because it feels those are important things.

949
01:14:09,196 --> 01:14:18,436
And I think it goes back to what you said. Being aware and mindful and at peace does not mean we don't take action.

950
01:14:18,436 --> 01:14:37,496
So do take action. The episode I published this week was very specifically about taking action with regard to systems and technologies and choices that we make. And because technology is how we express so much of our lives or intermediate so much of our lives, that those things are important. But underneath it all is this, is what we have discussed.

951
01:14:37,496 --> 01:14:52,736
And so, you know, my message, I suppose, is do not, I hope for us all, do not give way to thinking that the other software that we might talk about fixes things.

952
01:14:52,916 --> 01:14:54,996
It's this software that is most crucial.

953
01:14:56,036 --> 01:15:01,716
Bitcoiners want to be free and you cannot be free if you run your mind software.

954
01:15:02,556 --> 01:15:03,096
You cannot.

955
01:15:03,356 --> 01:15:04,416
It's not trustworthy.

956
01:15:04,596 --> 01:15:05,296
It's not intelligent.

957
01:15:05,296 --> 01:15:09,216
David Bohm, Einstein student, said it.

958
01:15:09,696 --> 01:15:14,456
And his theory is still possibly a really good one for the universe.

959
01:15:14,656 --> 01:15:15,836
So he's a clever guy.

960
01:15:15,956 --> 01:15:17,796
He says, yeah, they're just scripts.

961
01:15:17,936 --> 01:15:19,776
They're not intelligent, but we all listen to them.

962
01:15:20,796 --> 01:15:25,296
And I also say, I'm looking at graphene.

963
01:15:25,596 --> 01:15:25,956
Graphene.

964
01:15:25,956 --> 01:15:26,536
Yeah.

965
01:15:26,896 --> 01:15:32,676
Not because there's also, you don't suddenly become vulnerable.

966
01:15:32,676 --> 01:15:35,916
and like, oh, I'm a spiritual person.

967
01:15:36,376 --> 01:15:38,776
Spirituality to me just means taking responsibility.

968
01:15:39,576 --> 01:15:43,076
There's no like, if I do ayahuasca and have a big hat

969
01:15:43,076 --> 01:15:47,716
and a crystal, then I'm somehow protected.

970
01:15:48,436 --> 01:15:49,956
This is all the mind.

971
01:15:50,796 --> 01:15:51,396
Practice is everything.

972
01:15:51,776 --> 01:15:53,356
Yeah, my kids don't.

973
01:15:53,436 --> 01:15:56,316
We're very careful with social media.

974
01:15:56,616 --> 01:15:57,696
There's no social media.

975
01:15:58,956 --> 01:16:01,616
We might get rid of Netflix,

976
01:16:01,616 --> 01:16:06,456
not as a knee-jerk reaction to what's happening.

977
01:16:06,456 --> 01:16:07,616
What recently happened, yeah.

978
01:16:07,616 --> 01:16:13,556
Because when our kids watch it to not watching it,

979
01:16:14,096 --> 01:16:16,796
it is, I just observe, it's like two different kids.

980
01:16:18,276 --> 01:16:18,796
Incredible.

981
01:16:19,136 --> 01:16:21,116
And I know your children are a bit older.

982
01:16:22,716 --> 01:16:25,456
The panel that I was on at Imagine F here in Nashville

983
01:16:25,456 --> 01:16:28,216
with Matt O'Dell and Derek Ross, we talked about this.

984
01:16:28,276 --> 01:16:31,136
And what I shared then, I will reiterate,

985
01:16:31,136 --> 01:16:37,496
is that in, again, our own lives with our young son, initially there was an hour to two of screen

986
01:16:37,496 --> 01:16:44,516
time per morning, highly curated, curated, excuse me, so that my wife had time to do the things that

987
01:16:44,516 --> 01:16:52,956
she needed to do. We homeschool, she's home, which is wonderful. However, we observed behavior that was

988
01:16:52,956 --> 01:17:02,476
discomforting, disquieting, and we ended it. And it is one of the most poignant firsthand

989
01:17:02,476 --> 01:17:09,636
experiences I have had in what screens will do to a young mind. So that's a bit of a digression,

990
01:17:09,636 --> 01:17:16,496
but I think, you know, it is so powerful. Yeah. It's like sugar. It's like. Yes.

991
01:17:16,496 --> 01:17:40,776
So I think we were saying that if you want to be free and you want your kids to be free and you want to like we – my wife has created a place to be for children, a place to be themselves and not be coerced and controlled and propagandized in a schooling system.

992
01:17:40,776 --> 01:17:42,216
Tell us a bit more about that, please.

993
01:17:42,216 --> 01:17:42,616
Yeah.

994
01:17:42,616 --> 01:17:48,236
Yeah, so we moved around as nomads for quite a while.

995
01:17:48,696 --> 01:17:52,676
And then what we found was that Sylvia would go up to parents in the playground and say,

996
01:17:52,936 --> 01:17:54,596
does your kid go to school?

997
01:17:54,916 --> 01:17:57,196
Because she's looking for kids to play with ours.

998
01:17:57,716 --> 01:18:02,896
And when we finally decided to come to Madeira and we met Andre and, you know, we'd love

999
01:18:02,896 --> 01:18:06,196
it here, we started to build a community.

1000
01:18:06,196 --> 01:18:12,416
And then Sylvia said, wow, wouldn't it be cool if we created a place?

1001
01:18:12,616 --> 01:18:21,296
a place for kids just to be and left alone and very much sort of inspired by Summerhill School,

1002
01:18:22,036 --> 01:18:29,076
A.S. Neal School that was created in the 1940s, which there was no compulsion to study anything.

1003
01:18:29,076 --> 01:18:33,336
And they created amazing kids, hyper intelligent.

1004
01:18:36,096 --> 01:18:41,556
And so we, you know, bit by bit, she pushed that forward.

1005
01:18:41,556 --> 01:18:48,196
I was writing and I find it's not easy to work with your partner.

1006
01:18:50,076 --> 01:18:53,436
So I said, I'm not helping you with this.

1007
01:18:53,656 --> 01:18:54,676
I'll help you.

1008
01:18:55,276 --> 01:18:58,896
And a guy, we talk all the time about it.

1009
01:18:58,936 --> 01:19:01,796
And obviously, I work to enable her to be able to do this.

1010
01:19:02,276 --> 01:19:05,936
And so we started looking at land and it got bigger and bigger.

1011
01:19:05,936 --> 01:19:21,636
And then we were at Bitcoin Atlantis and we were moving forward with some founding members who were amazing, who saw the importance and how valuable this thing could be as a beacon for other kids.

1012
01:19:21,636 --> 01:19:41,156
Yeah. And we were there and Rahim from Scolarium and he created Citadel Gardens and they saw our project and they were like, oh, my God, we want to invest.

1013
01:19:41,156 --> 01:19:53,036
And so what's happened is we've become a part of Citadel Gardens, which is a decentralized living community.

1014
01:19:53,356 --> 01:19:59,256
And Madeira is, Sylvia likes to say, to fear-proof your kids.

1015
01:20:00,336 --> 01:20:00,996
I love it.

1016
01:20:01,236 --> 01:20:06,836
I saw the piece that she published on Noster, and as I reposted it, I said, this is how you write a hook.

1017
01:20:06,936 --> 01:20:10,096
That first sentence got me, and I just devoured the whole thing.

1018
01:20:10,096 --> 01:20:18,556
You know, the funny story was, I spoke with Jeff Booth about how to sell this that we were doing.

1019
01:20:18,996 --> 01:20:20,236
It was a place to be.

1020
01:20:20,756 --> 01:20:24,636
And the B, obviously, Sylvia was like, kept meeting people.

1021
01:20:25,156 --> 01:20:28,236
And I said, just maybe just go for Bitcoiners.

1022
01:20:28,296 --> 01:20:29,096
And she was like, no.

1023
01:20:29,336 --> 01:20:37,456
And then after a few months, she knew Bitcoiners and, you know, alternative coins.

1024
01:20:37,456 --> 01:20:44,996
she could tell the difference in the way they were and so she went be the the bitcoin be yeah

1025
01:20:44,996 --> 01:20:52,536
and i spoke with jeff booth and we were on a call and very nice of him very valuable and he said rob

1026
01:20:52,536 --> 01:21:00,056
intelligent people will understand if you explain what the problem is and then just say a place to

1027
01:21:00,056 --> 01:21:08,836
be. Yep. It's outcome-based. It's problem-based. The response for this is, like, Sylvia doesn't

1028
01:21:08,836 --> 01:21:10,856
want to sell anything. Love it.

1029
01:21:11,196 --> 01:21:12,856
Yeah. It's awesome. Love it.

1030
01:21:12,856 --> 01:21:15,336
So we have- Can't wait to visit.

1031
01:21:15,636 --> 01:21:23,056
500,000-meter-square piece of stunning land with the view that is one of the most incredible views,

1032
01:21:23,056 --> 01:21:30,916
I'd say in the world. And we're going to have horses and animals. We'll have at least 25 houses.

1033
01:21:32,256 --> 01:21:39,996
We will have spa, gym, tree houses. I don't want to forget anything, but, you know.

1034
01:21:40,476 --> 01:21:42,956
You had me about halfway through.

1035
01:21:42,956 --> 01:21:56,756
We have an AI robotics lab that Muhammad, who was head of Texas University Robotics Lab, he's going to be doing that six months of the year.

1036
01:21:57,236 --> 01:22:02,556
And again, it's not, oh, come in kids, come and study this.

1037
01:22:02,956 --> 01:22:03,456
It will be.

1038
01:22:04,116 --> 01:22:06,316
Immerse yourself, pursue your passion.

1039
01:22:06,316 --> 01:22:07,936
Do what you want.

1040
01:22:08,336 --> 01:22:11,976
And you'll find the kids who like that, you don't need to force them.

1041
01:22:12,196 --> 01:22:12,716
Absolutely.

1042
01:22:12,956 --> 01:22:14,076
Seen that with our son.

1043
01:22:15,796 --> 01:22:16,196
Fantastic.

1044
01:22:16,556 --> 01:22:17,856
Well, Rob, I mean, I could just keep going.

1045
01:22:18,136 --> 01:22:21,116
And I'll hope to do part two.

1046
01:22:21,956 --> 01:22:22,276
If you'll allow us.

1047
01:22:22,276 --> 01:22:23,536
Can you give me a shout when you're over?

1048
01:22:23,696 --> 01:22:24,916
We'll go for a nice meal.

1049
01:22:25,396 --> 01:22:25,796
Absolutely.

1050
01:22:27,016 --> 01:22:27,636
Without doubt.

1051
01:22:27,656 --> 01:22:30,916
I'll show you the land, give you a tour in the Jeep.

1052
01:22:31,296 --> 01:22:33,336
That may be dangerous because we'll end up moving.

1053
01:22:33,436 --> 01:22:38,216
But I mean, it has rocketed to the top of our list of places that we really want to see.

1054
01:22:38,596 --> 01:22:39,616
Thank you so much, Rob.

1055
01:22:39,656 --> 01:22:40,216
I appreciate it.

1056
01:22:40,256 --> 01:22:40,596
I'm grateful.

1057
01:22:40,596 --> 01:22:42,756
I think everyone watching will be.

1058
01:22:43,356 --> 01:22:47,096
It has been, as I mentioned, it's a cliche word, but it has been an unlock for me.

1059
01:22:47,336 --> 01:22:49,636
And I think it will for viewers.

1060
01:22:50,536 --> 01:22:54,756
And I'll be sure, as I noted, to get the relevant links out to a lot of great resources,

1061
01:22:55,016 --> 01:23:00,136
particularly your books, your website, and ways people can get in touch with you if they

1062
01:23:00,136 --> 01:23:01,116
want to go deeper.

1063
01:23:02,056 --> 01:23:02,556
Thank you so much.

1064
01:23:02,596 --> 01:23:03,056
Real pleasure.

1065
01:23:03,216 --> 01:23:03,736
Thank you, Rob.

1066
01:23:03,796 --> 01:23:04,256
Talk soon.

1067
01:23:04,896 --> 01:23:05,216
You too.

1068
01:23:10,596 --> 01:23:17,596
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