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We're failing. We're failing. Our education system is failing. You go watch the homeschooling kids and you'll have kids that are walking around with books.

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our son our oldest son used to he used to he would be in all kinds of weird positions he'd be

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sitting on the couch upside down reading a book or walking up and down the stairs with with with

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with a book not because we told him he had to read but because he had a story that he was interested

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in and we let him we just said go ahead and so the kids could read early and they could read fast

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They did it.

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I actually think that kids want to learn.

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And this whole idea that kids hate school is because the state-driven type of framework is unnatural for how kids learn.

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Hello, my friends.

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Thank you so much for coming by for another episode of the Ben Werman podcast.

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I appreciate you being here.

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Today we have Scott Lindbergh, who is part of a duo who is really doing awesome stuff in the schooling slash homeschooling slash world schooling, unschooling.

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There's lots of different names for me. We can talk about that.

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But just this general idea of decentralizing education and raising kiddos.

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So super excited to bring you here. Scott, thank you for joining me.

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Oh, it's my pleasure. Thanks, Ben. I'm looking forward to it.

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So why don't we start with a bit of your story and we could just, I don't know, we could start wherever you'd like, but just sort of your fatherhood journey perhaps.

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And were you always knowing that homeschooling was going to be the way for you or did you learn about that as you went?

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How was that progression?

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I had no idea what homeschooling was.

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So the progression was I started my career in the military and then after five years in the army, went to corporate America and quickly went to business school.

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And I was going to go be a management consultant.

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I met my wife in business school.

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She was going to be an investment banker.

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Neither of us really understood a lot of the things that we understand now.

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So as I tell you this story, I'm going to I'm going to use language, but it's not language that I understood at the time.

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We have four kids. When our first one was born, for a lot of different reasons, she said, hey, I want to have the relationship with our daughter. I want to stay home as long as possible. Essentially, she said, I want to homeschool.

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So this set off a couple of different things. On her side of the family, it was, hey, you went to Yale. What are you doing throwing away your career? Why are you giving all that up?

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But my side was resistant more because I had gone to public school and they took it personally that somehow this was an indictment against the decision of how they had raised me.

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So we had these internal family things, but we made a decision that if we could live on one income and give up some vacations or something else, that this was going to be worthwhile to do.

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That's where the journey started.

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You fast forward 20 years, all four of our kids have completed the K through 12 equivalent, and we decided to go full time into free market kids.

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We also have a it's on pause at the moment, but we're going to get back into it.

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We have a podcast called Bitcoin Homeschoolers, because what we've learned over the last few years is there's a tremendous amount that the values are so similar on the Bitcoin side and the homeschooling side.

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that it's just once you see it, you can't, it's one of those expressions that we overuse,

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but you can't unsee it. Bitcoiners are really easy to convince, hey, self-custody or education

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or separation of education and state. We'll go through that, I'm sure, today.

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Homeschooling to Bitcoin is a bit of an uphill battle, we have found. They don't know that they

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don't know. So you have an awareness thing you have to get through, and then you have to get

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through money. And then it's kind of this multi-tier set of challenges. But long way of

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saying it, no idea what homeschooling was when we first got married. We kind of backed into it.

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And now with the recent experience of being around Bitcoiners for a few years,

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it just makes complete sense. It just fits the idea of freedom, the idea of parents being in

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control of their kids and deciding what to do, just like you can decide what to do with your

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money with Bitcoin. The overlap is just amazing. And our goal now is to try to share as much

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information as we can for people in either camp to help them along with their journey.

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I find it so interesting. I keep seeing this pattern pop up where Bitcoin shoots us in all

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sorts of different directions and start thinking about all these things in different ways. For me,

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another example would be diet and health and like one of the big topics i talk about and you see

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bitcoin is talking about it's a big stereotype is that we're all carnivores we eat tons of steak

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you know this is yeah so i went in that direction but and then i find the carnivore community

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and it's it's much harder to get them to look at bitcoin is for bitcoiners to look at carnivore

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it sounds like the exact same for you and i i listened to your podcast um you did with daniel

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prints when i was getting ready and you talked about how you go to these homeschooling conferences

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and you have your you know your your bitcoin theme sort of presented there through your your game

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which we'll talk about hodl up and you have difficulty getting they kind of like scoff at

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like oh like what are what are bitcoin people doing here there's bitcoin is like a shoots off

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a lot of one-way streets it's difficult to bring people back to bitcoin and i think that's mainly

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because of just the amount of FUD and nonsense that's been pushed out in the media,

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just lumping that in with all the crypto scams, essentially, and making it look really bad.

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What do you think is the reason for that? Would you agree with me?

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Well, there is a lot of noise out there. There is a lot of noise.

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And I look back on my own journey.

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I read Atlas Shrugged before I went to business school, before Bitcoin ever existed.

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I had read early in our marriage, again, before Bitcoin existed, I read the book, The Creature from Jekyll Island.

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And now I look back and I say, oh, well, libertarians, here's how you connect with this.

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And objectivists, this is how you connect.

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And Austrian economists.

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So homeschoolers, it was the expression I was using, and I don't remember if I used it when we talked with Daniel or not,

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is that homeschoolers are Bitcoiners who just don't know it yet.

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And the same is kind of with the carnivores.

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And then you go to someone who's maybe very religious and you say, well, let's talk about honest weights and measures.

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And I think it comes down to these are first principle ideas and it just takes time for the Overton window to change.

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And actually, we're missing it this year.

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But the Overton window has changed.

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So within the homeschooling realm, the Tuttle Twins have, you've probably heard about it, they have with Angel Studios.

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They're so awesome.

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So they're huge in the homeschooling space.

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When you walk into a homeschooling conference, they're usually one or number two in terms of the big sponsors for the event.

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So you also have it in the national politics now.

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You have it with the bigger, the ETS and the whole financial system.

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So the Overton window has changed. And with all of these entities, whether it's parents, it's carnivores, it's you fill in your blank.

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It's it's changing over time. But these are first principle ideas and they're just going to keep coming up and keep coming up.

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And we're going to go through that adoption curve. So, yeah, maybe we're on the more innovative early adopter side.

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first movers but uh the early adopters there's in like the early adopter main slightly further

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on the bell curve basically yeah i'm just not using the right phrase there but you we're about

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to kind of jump in terms of the number of people and i and a lot of people like that expression

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gradually then suddenly i think we're on the cusp with schooling i think we're on the cusp with diet

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I apologize, by the way.

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Our dogs are going nuts.

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I hope that's not interfering.

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Oh, no worries.

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It adds atmosphere to the conversation.

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This is a family we're talking to.

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We've got kids.

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We've got madness all over the place.

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I'm sorry about that.

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They're on a different floor, and they're so loud.

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I was like, you've got to be kidding me.

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Yeah, that's super exciting that the Tuttle Twins are really penetrating that

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audience because that is the perfect uh on-ramp for them to see why bitcoin is a big deal and i i

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haven't actually watched a lot of the content myself i've just seen uh small glimpses of it

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but they i mean i know it's very libertarian focused they they push bitcoin in there right

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i know they've had safety on there so they have an episode or two i think there's at least two

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where they specifically talk about bitcoin they have their a little cartoon character that is

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Satoshi and his face is always blocked and he's, he's, he's the guide for the, the twins.

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So I, I honestly, our kids are older, so I haven't gone back to watch them myself. Just

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all I know is that you're, if you were going to go, if you're an entrepreneur, you're going to

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start in a new area. You, you want that Cinderella spot where if there's nobody there, you have an

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uphill battle because no one knows about it. And if there's, if it's oversaturated, well,

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that has a different set of consequences. But the Tuttle Twins being there is, I think, good.

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You're basically saying there is a market for this. And it's okay that you have a Burger King

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and a McDonald's or a Pepsi and a Coke and whatever your options are. It's okay to have

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multiple players in a space. It's actually better for competition. From an awareness standpoint,

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this should help us get the word out to other people. They should be more open-minded about it.

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And honestly, if you learn through them instead of us, okay, that's fine.

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But if collectively the society is moving up that curve we were just talking about, we're all better off.

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So it's okay.

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Yeah, the tide's rising and it's lifting all the boats.

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I think this is a perfect example where all of us are so early to it.

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And there's a very clear vibe of us all being on the same team.

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the cop like even like the the most clear competitors within bitcoin space are still

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friends like on twitter they're tagging each other and having fun like these companies are

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doing the exact same thing because they know that the more that they all succeed every it helps

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everyone yeah which is super cool yeah incentives are aligned yeah yeah and the fact that you aren't

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making it this year to the conference but you are next year i i think that you'll probably see huge

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jump because normally it's it's like a slow curve but it's it's exponential as you're seeing and so

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that'll be very interesting to see how how many more people have a different reaction to your

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your bitcoin booth after this so we'll let you know that very exciting we'll let you know how it

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goes yeah yeah so i want to talk about free market kids so this is your project so what exactly is

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free market kids and why should incoming or current parents know about it Our mission basically is to teach the things that we wish we the tools we had to teach our kids

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We wish we would have had these before.

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So Tali and I are looking at each other and we go through this Bitcoin journey.

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We're still on it, obviously.

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And for me, this led to Austrian economics and low time preference and the diet, all these other things there.

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But we're looking at this and we're looking at our kids and we're saying, okay, if two Yale MBAs can get rugged by deciding to go into debt, fill in the blank, the house, going to school, whatever it is, what are we going to teach our kids in this world?

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And then you realize that it really applies to anybody.

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It can apply to veterans.

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It can apply to adults.

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It can certainly apply to parents.

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So I would actually say it's free market kids is more for all parents.

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It's not just meant for homeschooling.

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We're talking about that because that's our background.

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The game piece of that, I happen to like games.

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I believe there's a lot of other things, too.

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I grew up with board games.

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So the fellowship side of this where you and I and people of different generations and physical abilities can sit down for an hour without a screen and actually engage with each other.

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That's something that I think most people would agree we need more of and less of the screen time, whole separate rabbit hole to go down.

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And that's where our mission is.

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We want to help the next generation with these things.

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And it's not just Bitcoin.

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Within the Bitcoin space, HODLUP became – that's how we broke into it because it's all based on Bitcoin and it resonated with Bitcoiners.

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and I have a lightning game. I have a seed phrase game in a, in a few months, I'll be launching a

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game called fed up where it's not about Bitcoin. It's about ending the fed and clown world.

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And so they're, I love it. Yeah. So my, my goal of the, the big vision of, of free market kids,

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if you want to take a low time preference perspective on this is I want to come out

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with a first principle game every year for 21 years. And then within, with those games,

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I want to have a book that goes with it.

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I want to have courses that go with it and eventually have a digital product that you can translate in other languages and do some other cool stuff.

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So I have a long-term view of what I want to do with this.

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So we started with the games.

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We have multiple games now.

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I am working on some of those other elements going kind of in the vertical for those.

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I'm working on a course right now on money.

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I have built six out of the ten modules for it so far.

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So those are the kind of things.

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And that's one of the reasons for pausing on the homeschooling conferences.

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When we went before, all we had was just the games.

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And we're a lot more than that.

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We're talking about, think about how valuable it is.

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The skills that you want to teach your kids to be successful are not what the traditional school system is going to say.

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So you should be learning about AI.

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You should be learning critical thinking skills.

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You should be learning about health.

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There's a lot of things that you should be doing, but we went in there with just primarily the game.

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And so now we want to have multiple games and we want to have courses to go with them.

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And then Tali is working on those.

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My games are really age 13 above.

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We've seen people younger than 10 play and they do just fine.

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But the target audience is really teenagers and above.

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She's addressing elementary school kids in terms of character, critical thinking, and other types of things.

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So next year, we want to go in there with a bigger portfolio of things, like a toolbox, if you will, for parents to use.

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And there'll be more things to resonate with.

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Free Market Kids itself, though, is it's all about that mission of these are tools to help parents teach first principle type things.

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And the problem I have, and I think anybody in the space would have, is when you label a game educational, it's automatically labeled as boring.

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So I specifically make these that if you just shut up and don't don't talk about the subject.

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yeah you as a bitcoiner sorry about that um you as a bitcoiner are gonna say hey this game

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huddle up is all based on the mechanics here's a difficulty adjustment hot and cold wallets

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and halvings you're gonna your head's gonna explode with all the connections but you could

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just be quiet not say a word spend 45 minutes or an hour with your friends or family or whatever it

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is that you're you're you're doing and just have fun with the game and that's that's the intent of

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how I'm building these. The geeky side of me that says, hey, I want to educate on this stuff. Okay.

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If you want to go down that side, parents, go at it or teachers. Here's all the concepts that are

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in the game and here's how you can integrate them and make this a more interactive way of doing it.

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But you don't need to do that. You can push all that stuff aside and say, we just want to have

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fun. I just want to have an hour of fun at my meetup or I just want to slowly introduce

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things to my kids and spend some time together. I want to make that, to me, that's a core principle,

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is that it has to be fun by itself. The moment you start to start saying this is just an education

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tool, it really, it just, you may as well label the game boring to people, even if it's not,

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I don't think it's boring, but the perception of what's inside is kind of negatively impacted by

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that. So I'm trying to highlight that it's fun. And yes, when someone like yourself is asking me

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questions about education, happy to talk about all this stuff, but they're great for gifts and

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for meetups and for other events, because you can just shut up and play and not say a word about any

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of that stuff. I love it. I am such a strong believer that the best connecting tool to bring

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people together especially families is just like you said physical games that don't require a screen

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where you sit around a table and you have fun with each other and you just play like everyone has

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those wonderful memories of playing board games as a kid i definitely do i remember just my family

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and my friends family's all getting together we'd have game nights and it's so fun you have such a

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great connecting experience and i think when you're in that mindset of just connecting with the people

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around you and also sometimes there's teamwork involved and camaraderie it just it gets your

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brain in that learning state it's more malleable to absorbing new information and so that's when

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you can really sneak stuff in easily and even something like monopoly i would say is sort of

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educational teaches you you know buy assets that generate income later and so a lot of games do

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have these little lessons sprinkled in but we're seeing more games like yours where there's really

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a focus on making sure that when that education does slip in, it's really valuable on a very

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important topic like Bitcoin. No, I couldn't agree with you more. I think as an educator,

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I could take Monopoly and I could teach you about inflation. I can teach you about

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financial abstraction. I could teach you a lot of other things with it. The thing as a parent,

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though, you also want to protect the kids from some of the super bad stuff. And okay, if I give

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my kid this thing with the screen, they kind of get addicted to the screen pretty quickly.

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But it's a good distraction. So if you're really stressed as a parent, and that's going to take

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some time, and they're occupied, it's very easy to give into that temptation and let them do that.

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A lot of those things, though, the slippery slope of that is some of them get pretty violent.

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and there's a lot of things in there that may not,

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maybe they're not violent, but they don't add any value.

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They're just kind of out there.

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So at least with a physical game, it's okay for kids to be bored.

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It's a rainy day.

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You can't go outside.

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What do you do?

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or a game or something.

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That's okay.

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You don't have to occupy someone all the time.

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And the physical movement of things, I mean, this is,

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We've probably commented this on the Daniel Prince podcast, and that was the way that Tali actually opened up to Bitcoin was because when we were physically moving around things, she's like, oh, okay, I get the concept now.

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And then she opened up to other things.

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So not everybody learns the same way.

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And so I completely agree with you on spending time together with people away from the screens like that.

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I think is, even if you didn't learn anything, is fantastic. I think for parents that want to

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protect their kids from some of the more violent or other types of materials that might be

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other graphic materials that might be in games, it's nice to know that you can go to someplace,

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you find your Tuttle Twins or your free market kids or whoever that you feel is relatively trusted.

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And now you know if your kids are playing it, you're not worried about these other things being

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interjected and i might take things even a step further than you there i mean obviously if the

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content that the kids are finding which the internet and social media unfortunately sort of

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designed to angle them into these things like sexual content violent content things they're

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just like really visually stimulating even if they're just watching something that appears to

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be innocent like the i'm sure you've heard of the show coco melon have you heard of this i have not

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Oh, interesting. So basically, it's just this TV show on YouTube for kids or whatever. And it's this show that is super popular, like billions of viewers, tons of parents are showing this to their kids.

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okay yeah it's like a if you type this on youtube you'll find it but basically it's become very

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controversial because it's the the show producers literally have a laboratory where they do are

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doing studies on kids that watch their show they put them in front of the tv and they have two

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screens in front of them where they have their coco melon show on one side and the other side

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is just you know more regular you know it's like pictures of butterflies and people reading a book

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and walking the park and an ocean like natural things that you know one thing was you know boring

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compared to their like super engaging tv show and they actually track when the kids will look away

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from the screen to look at the other one and they say oh we aren't addicting them enough we need to

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add more colors more loud noises more music more stimulating content and like hard cuts in the

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content like they're literally designing this to be a drug to to young brains to just like be

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completely stuck to the screen yeah well think about the incentives too ben yeah i mean if you

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were the one whose job depended on the success of that game then the more users and the longer they

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use it etc maybe there's more things they buy when they're in the game however it's set up

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the more job security you you have and so it's not necessarily someone's evil it it's just where

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do the incentives lead to? So if you're in the media and you lead with a story of something good

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and your competitor leads with a whole lot of controversy here people fighting here violence here something else something scary like COVID or something you going to get more views over there Well if you get more views you going to get more

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advertisement and therefore your network can grow. So the incentives are aligned with the games

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to make them that way. That's naturally where they go. So you as a parent, this is where I would say

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you as a parent have a responsibility to understand that thing. You can't change that.

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But if you explain that and give kids credit, they can pick up things really fast. That's a

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thing I don't like about the way our public school system is kind of set up where it's

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kind of assuming that the kids are not smart, they won't be able to get things too fast. And you,

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you know, you want to basically dumb them down. And kids are actually, they'll understand these

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concepts. If you explain it to them and you're there as you are the guide to help them through

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this growth that they're going through, then they can learn to identify it for themselves.

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So it's not just me saying, Ben, you cannot use the video. I can say, hey, Ben, here's what's going

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on with this. The people who make this game are doing this intentionally for that. We're going to

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go play this game over here, this board game. And the benefits are you're going to spend time with

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your grandparents and younger siblings, like you, you explain it in a different way.

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They're going to figure it out and they're going to be able to apply that to other places.

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So it's, there's, there's lessons of that. You can teach your kids on how to think critically,

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how to think big picture, how to get along with, with others. The social aspect is huge

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as a home, as homeschoolers, our kids, one of the biggest pieces of FUD out there is that kids

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are not social, our kids can talk to anybody, adults, kids, their peers, customers, I mean,

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anybody, they can, they can talk to, to anybody. And so that's another thing you can explain is,

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hey, if you're playing a video game with only your peers, you're, you're, you're learning a

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certain type of social skills. And then all of a sudden you're put in a real world environment,

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like a job and they don't have those skills. Whereas I can help develop skills that aren't

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even related to the board game. I can, I can help you develop skills on how to think. I can help you

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develop social skills. There's just a ton of other things you can do. It's really, really flexible.

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You as the parent are the one that can guide them with it. It's just a tool to help you

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be the guide for them. So it's, um, it's hard to do though. I'll tell you, I have a hard time just

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getting my own family to play games. Here I am trying to tell you all these great things.

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it's not easy. I'm not saying this is easy, but I'm saying the proof of work will be when your

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kids are older and they exhibit those types of skills and they have those kind of thoughts for

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themselves to think through things like the don't think, or I'm sorry, don't trust verify. They can

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think on their own. They're going to be better with critical thinking. They're going to be better

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with social skills if you're the one that who's able to control that narrative and explain it to

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them yeah and i think that's an important framework for parents to think about too is that

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the the spectrum of easy to difficult is is it play here like the easiest thing you can do

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is stuff an ipad in your kid's face and then they're pacified for hours and i see so many

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parents doing this all over the place places i travel i do a lot of traveling so when i was in

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Mexico, I'd see this everywhere. And, you know, just strollers just basically have an iPad in them

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by default, pretty much. And it's so unfortunate. And at the same time, I also see tons and tons of

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young kids with glasses on. And I think that's a whole different, you know, rabbit hole, the health

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side. But, you know, when your eyes are just being burnt out by these blue light screens all the

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time, that's definitely a factor as well. They're, you know, drinking these sugar drinks their parents

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were giving them Eden seed oils.

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There's so many of these mistakes that parents are making.

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They don't know that they're big mistakes.

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I think that they don't understand the damages being done.

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But I just pulled up that site I was telling you about,

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the Cocoa Melon TV show.

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Guess how many subscribers they have on YouTube?

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Take a whack.

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2 million.

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192 million.

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Oh, wow.

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192 million subscribers to this TV show,

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which is basically exactly what these parents are just like pulling up.

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It's got to be on the top of like the YouTube kids.

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And that's what they're showing their kids when they just put iPad in front of

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their face.

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So it's just the difference between that and what you're building,

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just these things that engage people.

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I think it's pretty safe to say there are very few cases where a screen will

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or a screen based activity is going to help teach you real social skills or

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connect you with people i i think that i might have found one of those exceptions when i was

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growing up because i was really big on like multiplayer video games so like me and my buddies

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were all playing them together and there was definitely teamwork involved and i made new

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friends that way yeah but that's like a very rare exception um most of the time it's going to be

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detracting from what is a much better option which is in-person connection i think that's always

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going to be better even if you are doing this screen thing as good as you possibly can yeah

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And I'm not saying go 100% and take all the screens away.

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For some people who, if that's the way they socialize,

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and that's the only way your kid is able to connect,

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then who am I to tell you not to let them do it?

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But at least go into it eyes wide open.

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If you know that you need to reduce blue light,

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maybe increase your red light, natural light,

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and you can get into the whole light science,

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you should talk to Tali about that

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because it's a huge focus for her.

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But I'm not going to tell you not to do it.

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I think the carnivore diet makes 100%.

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It makes sense to me, but we slip.

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We'll go on and we'll have our snacks,

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especially if it's a holiday or something.

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So is some hardcore Bitcoin carnivore only going to say,

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Oh, you know, Scott, Scott is willing to eat something that's not meat.

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Okay, fine.

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I think for parenting, it's, it's, it's up to you.

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And that's a key that that's actually the key part of it is if you self custody parenting,

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you're the one closest to the child.

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You're the one that's going to know and has the greatest incentive to try to do what's

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right for them.

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And you can make that, you can make that, that call.

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I'm just saying, it's not going to be easy.

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There's going to be a plot of this tension back and forth all the way through, but it's worth it.

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The long-term vision of what you get with that is worth it.

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But don't trust other people to take care of your kid.

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Don't trust other people to do what's right for you as a parent.

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You're the one that knows best, and you don't need any government certification to say you're qualified as an administrator or a teacher or anything else.

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Humans did just fine teaching the next generation how to survive before the governments came in to certify you or, you know, big education came in to certify you.

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You don't need that. You already have everything you need and you have the greatest incentive to help the kids.

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Your incentives as a parent are aligned with what's in the best interest of the kid.

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And so you take self-custody of that. You decide what you're going to do or not do.

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I think that's an amazing transition into just talking about what is homeschooling because so many people, when they hear this word, they think that homeschooling is this radical new experiment that some crazy parents are trying when in reality, it's the exact opposite.

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this has been the norm for forever. The government schooling system is a real experiment and it's

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failing. If you look at every single metric that matters in terms of, you know, what, what these

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kids are turning out to be just cogs in these machines that don't understand basic life skills.

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How do you approach that for someone who's starting to open up to this idea and like maybe

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looking at the historical component and how, what's your elevator pitch for what homeschooling

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as in why this is the true foundation of education for kids.

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I wish I had just one pitch.

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It depends on who I'm talking to.

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You hit on a few things there.

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So there's a lot of work that shows what's happened

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as governments and centralization has gotten greater.

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It's in the interest of those that have control,

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whether they're central planners,

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whatever you want to call them,

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the government, the whoever,

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to have control over how people think.

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So conformity is more important than critical thinking.

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And that's also more important than creativity.

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So their incentive is that.

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The parent wants their kid to have a long, healthy, happy life.

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They want to be the most successful that they can be.

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There's two different incentives in terms of what's in play there.

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trying to explain that to someone if they're new to this thought process is just overwhelming.

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I don't want to sound like I'm a nut saying, hey, here's this big picture thing. And let me tell you

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about the Prussian education system. And they just don't want to, it's like too much. I would

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say for most people, it's more of just realizing you may not think you're able to. So a lot of

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people I think are lacking some confidence to start. You have everything you need. Your kids

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are super resilient. You have very little to lose and you have amazing asymmetric upside

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to taking this on. And I 100% agree with you about long-term homeschooling was more the norm

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and it's more in the last hundred years as we kind of look at the central banks too.

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as we've kind of grown through the centralization and this idea that somehow

410
00:33:39,311 --> 00:33:47,151
a different entity should be in control of your kids and what they learn. And if you look at

411
00:33:47,151 --> 00:33:55,531
totalitarian types of governments as an extreme, they want to control the kids. They don't want

412
00:33:55,531 --> 00:34:01,051
religion. They don't want parents. They don't want anybody else to interfere with what the state

413
00:34:01,051 --> 00:34:08,871
wants them to conform to. So that's big picture stuff. If you're already a Bitcoiner and you

414
00:34:08,871 --> 00:34:15,351
understand a lot of these similar concepts with money, it's very easy to just give the elevator

415
00:34:15,351 --> 00:34:22,371
speech on that. If you're not, I find it, I don't have a really good way of explaining all that,

416
00:34:22,411 --> 00:34:28,131
other than saying it's your kid, you know, why are you going to trust these? And then you can

417
00:34:28,131 --> 00:34:34,931
to kind of give examples. COVID was a great example where parents didn't realize what was really going on with the schools.

418
00:34:34,931 --> 00:34:39,731
They say, I trust the government, I trust whoever, they're probably doing the right thing.

419
00:34:39,731 --> 00:34:56,686
And then they realized that they weren And we just seeing more and more cases of this And I just think they help open their eyes So there a Supreme Court case that either just heard or in the process of being heard I think it either Maine or Maryland

420
00:34:56,867 --> 00:35:06,367
I'm trying to think of whether they're basically saying they wanted to force certain types of sexual books on four and five-year-olds, and they wouldn't let the parents opt out of it.

421
00:35:06,686 --> 00:35:07,987
They didn't even say take it off the shelf.

422
00:35:08,106 --> 00:35:10,166
The parents just wanted to say, I don't want my kid to learn that.

423
00:35:11,306 --> 00:35:13,546
And that's eye-opening for people to say, what?

424
00:35:13,646 --> 00:35:22,227
Like they're not only are they not teaching the things they do need to succeed, they're actually forcing some of these other things that I don't want them to hear about.

425
00:35:22,706 --> 00:35:26,326
Right. And then there was another one that was on my mind recently.

426
00:35:26,326 --> 00:35:38,007
Oh, the universities. So universities are have become incredibly biased to one side of the spectrum to the point where you're basically indoctrinating anybody who who goes through it.

427
00:35:38,007 --> 00:35:46,546
And if you're a parent and you say, well, hey, I trust that my, you know, that Ben's going to go to this university and they have a great prestigious name and whatnot.

428
00:35:46,666 --> 00:35:53,606
And then you find out as you hear this argument about who should get funding and not funding, depending on who's following what kind of policies.

429
00:35:54,666 --> 00:35:56,967
The institutions have different objectives.

430
00:35:57,566 --> 00:36:00,887
They have different, they have, and different people can put pressure on them.

431
00:36:01,806 --> 00:36:05,467
And I think it's just helping to open up people's eyes.

432
00:36:05,987 --> 00:36:09,686
So you could use some of those examples, depending on who you're talking to.

433
00:36:09,786 --> 00:36:16,786
You could cite an example of something that relates to somebody that if their kid's about to go to college, then maybe you talk about that.

434
00:36:16,846 --> 00:36:21,166
If their kid's already in elementary school, you can talk about that Supreme Court case.

435
00:36:21,846 --> 00:36:23,306
It could be the COVID thing.

436
00:36:23,306 --> 00:36:30,586
Most people understand what happened with that is people went to Zoom calls and they realized that what was really being taught or not taught to their kids.

437
00:36:30,586 --> 00:36:40,467
But you can use an example that they can relate to and then pose to them, hey, there's a lot of options on how you can take control of this too.

438
00:36:40,646 --> 00:36:46,447
And going back to your point earlier, homeschooling isn't just one prescribed thing.

439
00:36:47,206 --> 00:36:54,467
Maybe it's just additional things that you do with your kids at night and the weekends, but they're actually going to a regular school.

440
00:36:54,467 --> 00:37:03,546
maybe it's a combination of co-ops and micro schools or or something like that there are

441
00:37:03,546 --> 00:37:09,227
some that do unschooling and there's there's all these other different flavors out there but

442
00:37:09,227 --> 00:37:15,967
if you complement an exam a real life example with hey you know what you can take control over

443
00:37:15,967 --> 00:37:20,727
this thing you you actually have a lot of tools at your disposal because then you get into things

444
00:37:20,727 --> 00:37:29,467
So the whole idea of technology being deflationary, I can find almost any lesson on any subject in any language on the Internet.

445
00:37:30,686 --> 00:37:32,987
So the cost of education should be coming down.

446
00:37:33,106 --> 00:37:34,786
It shouldn't be the way it's going.

447
00:37:35,686 --> 00:37:41,706
You have so many tools to help teach your kids almost anything.

448
00:37:44,546 --> 00:37:45,786
It's just amazing.

449
00:37:46,007 --> 00:37:47,806
We can get Khan Academies out there.

450
00:37:47,806 --> 00:37:49,786
I know Sailor has his Sailor.org.

451
00:37:49,786 --> 00:37:51,606
And there's a whole bunch of others.

452
00:37:53,007 --> 00:37:55,186
And you can pay small amounts for a small course.

453
00:37:55,306 --> 00:37:56,186
You can do other things.

454
00:37:56,387 --> 00:37:59,626
I mean, it's just an amazing amount of technology.

455
00:38:00,907 --> 00:38:10,306
Or the technology enables so many different offerings for you that you're not asking anybody to do anything that's not within reason.

456
00:38:10,727 --> 00:38:16,186
And so you can gear your recommendation to what they have the time and resources to actually do.

457
00:38:16,186 --> 00:38:23,887
so many directions to go off of that lots of great content so i guess just on that last one

458
00:38:23,887 --> 00:38:28,867
you're talking about i want to stick on that for a second here so this idea of how much free

459
00:38:28,867 --> 00:38:36,146
educational content we have out there what would your recommendation be to new parents who are

460
00:38:36,146 --> 00:38:40,166
just getting into this and you mentioned a couple of their con academy sailor academy

461
00:38:40,166 --> 00:38:46,106
what where do you think people should start should they start by you know sort of researching

462
00:38:46,106 --> 00:38:51,066
these different options out there that have free education already? Or should they start by, you

463
00:38:51,066 --> 00:38:56,826
know, as a parent, just coming up with your own? It seems like that'd probably be more of a steep

464
00:38:56,826 --> 00:39:00,546
hill to climb, more intimidating to like create your own curriculum. Maybe you could start with

465
00:39:00,546 --> 00:39:04,646
one of those that's already been made and then work off in your own special way. What do you

466
00:39:04,646 --> 00:39:10,646
think? I would say you'd almost have to back up a step and it depends on how confident are you in

467
00:39:10,646 --> 00:39:15,287
what you're doing. So if you, if you say, I know I want to do this for my kid and I am determined

468
00:39:15,287 --> 00:39:20,227
to figure it out, you're going to do the research and you're going to find things.

469
00:39:21,546 --> 00:39:27,066
I think a lot of people don't know. If you're a first-time parent, you just don't know. And maybe

470
00:39:27,066 --> 00:39:32,006
your family doesn't support you or you don't have family that's close by. So I would recommend

471
00:39:32,006 --> 00:39:38,006
trying to find other like-minded people. So if you're on Facebook, maybe you go to a homeschooling

472
00:39:38,006 --> 00:39:45,566
convention just to meet other parents and just to talk to people and learn for yourself. Put your

473
00:39:45,566 --> 00:39:49,407
oxygen mask on first before you help others. Before you start going down this path of trying

474
00:39:49,407 --> 00:39:55,566
to figure out this perfect curriculum, just try to figure out your own support system of who you're

475
00:39:55,566 --> 00:39:59,747
going to talk to. It could be maybe there's a co-op in your area and you can meet people in person

476
00:39:59,747 --> 00:40:04,767
and that's fantastic. Maybe you can't get to a conference because it's too expensive or too far

477
00:40:04,767 --> 00:40:09,487
away, but it doesn't mean that there aren't groups out there, online type of groups that you can,

478
00:40:09,686 --> 00:40:17,106
you can get to. But I would, I would try to find someone else that you feel comfortable talking to

479
00:40:17,106 --> 00:40:23,247
about what you're experiencing so that then you can, then you can ask anything. You're saying,

480
00:40:23,346 --> 00:40:28,346
Hey, I want to teach my kids Latin, or I want to teach my kids AI, or I want to teach my kids,

481
00:40:28,346 --> 00:40:35,586
whatever it is, now you have somebody you can plug into. Churches, if you're in a church,

482
00:40:35,666 --> 00:40:41,387
you probably could just ask around to see if there's homeschoolers within that organization.

483
00:40:42,227 --> 00:40:48,427
But I would start there. You can also go online. I think it's the Homeschool Defense League.

484
00:40:48,846 --> 00:40:54,706
I forget the website address. We can find it, put it in your notes. You can go online and there

485
00:40:54,706 --> 00:41:01,186
are organizations that will help you think through what to do for homeschooling, if you're

486
00:41:01,186 --> 00:41:06,907
not sure. I think you need to have that confidence before you go out and start researching on your

487
00:41:06,907 --> 00:41:12,267
curriculum. Because I think if you just go on the path of saying education is all about this

488
00:41:12,267 --> 00:41:20,566
curriculum, it's going to feel overwhelming or it could feel overwhelming. Whereas if you just say,

489
00:41:20,566 --> 00:41:23,806
why am I doing this? Well, I'm doing this because I want a relationship with my child.

490
00:41:24,427 --> 00:41:28,806
I'm doing this because I want the best for with my, whatever it is, you just have to ground

491
00:41:28,806 --> 00:41:34,227
yourself. So I would, I would start with that and lay your foundation on. And then on top of that,

492
00:41:34,227 --> 00:41:39,006
you can build curriculum. You can build what programs to get. You can, you can do other

493
00:41:39,006 --> 00:41:42,846
research, but start with the foundation of what are you doing and have some kind of,

494
00:41:42,947 --> 00:41:47,686
if you can support group, not everybody is fortunate enough to have people around them,

495
00:41:47,686 --> 00:41:53,407
family or friends that think that it's a good thing to do. And if you don't have that,

496
00:41:53,927 --> 00:41:58,247
you go off and you research all these things that we'd like, we just talked about a few of them.

497
00:41:59,146 --> 00:42:01,947
If you're not confident in what you're doing, you're not going to use them anyway

498
00:42:01,947 --> 00:42:06,787
because of the pressure. So I would say, get your, get your foundation, right? Wherever,

499
00:42:06,787 --> 00:42:13,367
whatever you need for that. And now you can do anything you want from there. You'll find what

500
00:42:13,367 --> 00:42:19,686
you what you need i'd love to just confirm we have the right site you mentioned the homeschool

501
00:42:19,686 --> 00:42:25,346
defense league i just googled that i see hslda advocates for homeschooling is that what you're

502
00:42:25,346 --> 00:42:31,806
talking about i believe so yeah okay gotcha but yeah i think overall your point is excellent that

503
00:42:31,806 --> 00:42:36,287
it should start with finding a community of other people that are doing this around you because

504
00:42:36,287 --> 00:42:42,987
there's also going to be geographical benefits to that where you may want to cater your

505
00:42:42,987 --> 00:42:48,927
your schedule to it too like if you're somewhere where there's lots of great nature you want to

506
00:42:48,927 --> 00:42:52,447
spend lots of time in nature learning about the different trees around you and different mushrooms

507
00:42:52,447 --> 00:42:57,086
and all these cool things and if you're by the ocean maybe you could you know include surfing or

508
00:42:57,086 --> 00:43:00,706
something and swimming and just using your environment to your advantage and having a

509
00:43:00,706 --> 00:43:05,686
community around with like lots of ideas for how to learn about your your home turf i think that's

510
00:43:05,686 --> 00:43:10,907
definitely a good part of learning as well because as someone who grew up on an island full of nature

511
00:43:10,907 --> 00:43:15,927
That was a huge part of my upbringing, just going out and doing lots of hikes and swimming and all these fun things.

512
00:43:16,867 --> 00:43:17,546
So very cool.

513
00:43:17,747 --> 00:43:20,387
That's a good place to find that.

514
00:43:20,467 --> 00:43:22,326
If it hasn't started yet, go to a Bitcoin meetup.

515
00:43:22,887 --> 00:43:30,787
Find other people who are either current or aspiring homeschooling parents, and you can start your own homeschooling community outside of that as sort of branch off.

516
00:43:31,967 --> 00:43:34,046
And I mean, think about it.

517
00:43:34,206 --> 00:43:38,346
Daniel Prince, his podcast, he also wrote a book.

518
00:43:38,346 --> 00:43:42,086
There are books you can read, podcasts you can listen to.

519
00:43:42,767 --> 00:43:49,967
Even if you can't attend a homeschooling convention, you can still go to their website and you can look at their resources and find people to reach out to.

520
00:43:50,086 --> 00:43:52,306
There are – you're not alone.

521
00:43:52,967 --> 00:43:59,447
You're not alone on this and just have – just commit.

522
00:43:59,447 --> 00:44:06,686
I think instead of trying to have enough courage up front to say, I'm sorry, not courage, confidence.

523
00:44:07,467 --> 00:44:13,526
Instead of having enough confidence up front to think that you can do everything, just start with commitment.

524
00:44:13,867 --> 00:44:15,326
I am committed to do this.

525
00:44:15,546 --> 00:44:24,666
And then if you have that reasoning and then you can find others around you, then you can work through what it takes to do it in your area.

526
00:44:24,666 --> 00:44:30,506
But between books and podcasts and all these other events and things that we've talked about, there's a lot of information out there.

527
00:44:30,506 --> 00:44:42,686
And so if you're in Germany and homeschooling is illegal, you're probably going to have a very different approach than maybe somebody who's in Texas.

528
00:44:43,767 --> 00:44:49,326
So your geography, the jurisdiction can make an impact.

529
00:44:49,326 --> 00:44:54,907
And so my point is, it's worth it.

530
00:44:55,626 --> 00:44:58,566
It is absolutely 100% worth it.

531
00:44:58,826 --> 00:45:01,066
You have almost no downside risk.

532
00:45:01,506 --> 00:45:07,467
And you have this amazing upside potential for your child and for your relationship with your child.

533
00:45:08,967 --> 00:45:11,666
Just say, I'm committing to finding out.

534
00:45:12,046 --> 00:45:13,046
And then don't trust me.

535
00:45:13,206 --> 00:45:14,247
Go verify for yourself.

536
00:45:14,346 --> 00:45:18,126
Go out and hear the stories and the good and the bad.

537
00:45:18,126 --> 00:45:19,227
What are you trying to avoid?

538
00:45:19,326 --> 00:45:20,227
What are you trying to pursue?

539
00:45:21,646 --> 00:45:22,867
You'll figure the rest of it out.

540
00:45:22,927 --> 00:45:28,787
And then after you do it, then you'll realize, hey, I actually do have the capacity to do this.

541
00:45:28,867 --> 00:45:30,206
And that will build your confidence.

542
00:45:30,367 --> 00:45:31,626
But the confidence comes last.

543
00:45:32,626 --> 00:45:35,727
The whole journey starts with your commitment up front.

544
00:45:37,706 --> 00:45:45,227
I'd love to dig a little deeper on this idea that homeschooling is, like you said, basically no downside with unlimited upside.

545
00:45:45,447 --> 00:45:48,846
Could you dig a little deeper on each of those pieces?

546
00:45:48,846 --> 00:45:53,306
Like, why is there no downside? I'm sure people out there think, oh, but they won't get any social skills.

547
00:45:53,706 --> 00:45:57,887
And then the upside as well, like look at each of those individually.

548
00:45:57,887 --> 00:45:59,967
Like, why do you argue that on both sides?

549
00:46:00,447 --> 00:46:06,727
So the downside piece would be. Just just realize kids are amazingly resilient.

550
00:46:06,727 --> 00:46:14,987
So let's let's hypothetically say you have a child and you put them into preschool or or elementary school,

551
00:46:14,987 --> 00:46:18,967
you decide to pull them out for a year and you want to try this,

552
00:46:19,046 --> 00:46:19,727
or maybe it's,

553
00:46:19,967 --> 00:46:21,987
they haven't gone to school at all yet and you're going to try it out for,

554
00:46:22,106 --> 00:46:22,767
for a year,

555
00:46:22,967 --> 00:46:24,826
a year into it.

556
00:46:24,862 --> 00:46:28,222
you say, Scott's wrong. I don't think this is the right thing to do.

557
00:46:29,902 --> 00:46:38,182
Your kid's fine. They're really adaptable. They're going to be fine if you said,

558
00:46:38,182 --> 00:46:45,162
I'm going to transition back into whatever the default is. So you're not going to permanently

559
00:46:45,162 --> 00:46:49,302
damage your kid. If you're an abusive parent, you have other issues. I'm not talking about that.

560
00:46:49,302 --> 00:46:56,282
if you're a loving parent and you're just trying to figure out what kind of activities and what kind

561
00:46:56,282 --> 00:47:00,882
of social calendar or whatever, like whatever it is that you're trying to do. And you think that

562
00:47:00,882 --> 00:47:04,842
you're going to make a mistake and now your kid's going to be behind. They're not going to have

563
00:47:04,842 --> 00:47:11,182
socialization or some other FUD that's out there. The reality is that kids are really resilient

564
00:47:11,182 --> 00:47:20,682
and they will bounce back. The upside is a couple folds. So just talk academically. If you're in a

565
00:47:20,682 --> 00:47:27,882
school and you're a teacher, let's say you have 20 to 30 kids, you're going to have to focus on

566
00:47:27,882 --> 00:47:33,942
the median. You can't focus on the people on either side. The people who need extra time

567
00:47:33,942 --> 00:47:38,622
because they're slow, they have whatever, they have some kind of, they're struggling with something,

568
00:47:38,622 --> 00:47:44,502
they need special attention you don't have enough time to do one-on-one coaching with them you also

569
00:47:44,502 --> 00:47:50,662
don't have time for the people who want to excel so if you have an exceptional student you can't

570
00:47:50,662 --> 00:47:54,782
give them what they need so now they're bored they're more likely to get they're probably going

571
00:47:54,782 --> 00:47:58,482
to get more trouble because they're bored but you're also holding them back from what their

572
00:47:58,482 --> 00:48:04,462
true potential is right so that's just the pure academic side there's the time side of it where

573
00:48:04,462 --> 00:48:10,122
the traditional school system, for a lot of different reasons, it's really inefficient with

574
00:48:10,122 --> 00:48:17,002
time. And if you allow your kids just to do their own thing, you could probably get most of your

575
00:48:17,002 --> 00:48:21,522
classes done in an hour or two that would normally take an eight-hour school day,

576
00:48:21,722 --> 00:48:24,462
depending on how they're broken up. You allow your kid to get into flow.

577
00:48:25,922 --> 00:48:32,602
You can adapt because you've lowered the ratio of the teacher to student in there, right? So

578
00:48:32,602 --> 00:48:39,562
So that's one potential upside is the compound effect of a student who can accelerate.

579
00:48:39,722 --> 00:48:41,762
You can now let them accelerate to their full potential.

580
00:48:43,162 --> 00:48:49,322
The compound effect of working with a student who has whatever special needs, you can help them to where they need to be.

581
00:48:49,482 --> 00:48:52,542
You're not gearing towards the average student.

582
00:48:52,922 --> 00:48:54,382
You're laser focused.

583
00:48:54,882 --> 00:49:00,842
And then the big one, the really big one, and Seb Bunny gets into this in his book, Money Ruins Everything.

584
00:49:00,842 --> 00:49:08,222
one of the things that we're losing right now as a society is the the the relationships and

585
00:49:08,222 --> 00:49:16,422
our kids have a relationship with us even though they're all adults now and they have made the

586
00:49:16,422 --> 00:49:21,242
comment that when once they got out of the homeschooling realm and they were at it's in the

587
00:49:21,242 --> 00:49:27,062
the adult environment either at universities or work their peers did not have the relationship

588
00:49:27,062 --> 00:49:33,322
with their parents, and they did not understand why our kids would say that they would talk to us,

589
00:49:33,462 --> 00:49:38,342
let alone share details about relationships and other things. And the reason for that is,

590
00:49:39,122 --> 00:49:42,582
even though you go through hard times and not everything is smooth, it's going to have some

591
00:49:42,582 --> 00:49:48,622
volatility to it, some emotional volatility. The kids are going to realize that you love them and

592
00:49:48,622 --> 00:49:54,922
you're investing in them. And so the biggest asymmetric upside, besides time management,

593
00:49:54,922 --> 00:50:00,962
besides letting people pursue their natural gifts and all these other benefits that you could have,

594
00:50:01,862 --> 00:50:04,282
the really big upside is the relationship.

595
00:50:04,702 --> 00:50:11,442
If you hire a nanny or you outsource everything with the schooling and the coaching and everything else,

596
00:50:12,502 --> 00:50:16,942
and then kids are teenagers or adults and they don't have a relationship with you,

597
00:50:17,062 --> 00:50:18,742
it's how are you going to build that now?

598
00:50:19,302 --> 00:50:21,082
How are you going to build that relationship?

599
00:50:21,082 --> 00:50:31,682
So if you think about the future from a low time preference perspective, what is the relationship you want to have with your kids in 15 years and 20 years and you work backwards?

600
00:50:32,442 --> 00:50:35,722
The asymmetric upside is that amazing relationship.

601
00:50:36,222 --> 00:50:40,442
We can get into the academics and what you studied and all these other things.

602
00:50:40,902 --> 00:50:46,022
And by the way, the idea of critical thinking and socialization, that is just FUD.

603
00:50:46,022 --> 00:50:52,622
my my personal observation is that the homeschooling kids actually are better in general

604
00:50:52,622 --> 00:51:00,662
on those on those fronts but the relationship side that is unbelievably valuable and so i say

605
00:51:00,662 --> 00:51:07,062
okay let me let's put these two things back together if i try to homeschool and i it doesn't

606
00:51:07,062 --> 00:51:14,142
work for any reason my kid goes back into the other program and they're fine they'll catch up

607
00:51:14,142 --> 00:51:19,782
with the others, if you think they're behind in socialization or whatever it is that you think

608
00:51:19,782 --> 00:51:27,642
you're behind in, you're not going to ruin your kid, right? They're so resilient. On the other

609
00:51:27,642 --> 00:51:33,442
side, all these other things that you can really, really value in the long term, you have to do the

610
00:51:33,442 --> 00:51:38,222
work up front. And that's the time with the kids and working through the things with the kids.

611
00:51:38,222 --> 00:51:45,782
if you spend time with them, that's the value. And you can't go back and capture that. There's a,

612
00:51:45,942 --> 00:51:49,642
I don't know the exact percentage, but they talk about the percentage of time you're going to spend

613
00:51:49,642 --> 00:51:56,162
with your kid while they're young, like 80% of your time you'll ever spend with them was below

614
00:51:56,162 --> 00:52:01,582
a certain age. And then as they get older, they'll, I mean, like if I go and visit my parents and we

615
00:52:01,582 --> 00:52:07,382
go up there, we can see them once a month. We don't, but let's, let's say we did compared to

616
00:52:07,382 --> 00:52:11,142
when you're at home and you see your parents every day, right?

617
00:52:11,282 --> 00:52:16,242
So if you see your parents once a year and they're a certain age and they're only going to live so long,

618
00:52:16,282 --> 00:52:19,382
I don't want to be morbid about it, but just do the math.

619
00:52:20,082 --> 00:52:23,202
Most of your time with your kids is going to be below a certain age.

620
00:52:24,042 --> 00:52:27,662
Okay, so how do you want to spend your most precious asset, your time?

621
00:52:28,842 --> 00:52:32,362
And put all of that, put all of that into the potential upside.

622
00:52:33,502 --> 00:52:37,182
That's what you're going to say no to if you say, I don't want to test this out.

623
00:52:37,382 --> 00:52:41,842
I don't want to verify for myself whether this is worthwhile.

624
00:52:42,022 --> 00:52:42,862
That's what you give up.

625
00:52:43,042 --> 00:52:44,142
That's your opportunity cost.

626
00:52:45,282 --> 00:52:52,882
If you do decide to do it and it doesn't work out, the worst that happened is you spent a little time with your kid and now they got to catch up at school.

627
00:52:53,722 --> 00:52:59,282
So I don't know how more asymmetric this decision can be.

628
00:52:59,962 --> 00:53:02,482
And you asked before about an elevator speech.

629
00:53:02,902 --> 00:53:04,802
I don't know a way of condensing that.

630
00:53:04,802 --> 00:53:07,702
I need to work on that to find a way.

631
00:53:08,122 --> 00:53:10,902
But those are the two ends of the spectrum that I'm looking at.

632
00:53:12,742 --> 00:53:33,482
Yeah, and I think that that's a good way to sort of lay things out for the scariest possible scenario for parents of like, oh, they might be a little bit potentially behind it knowing how to do like long division or, you know, some science experiment or whatever it is that they're teaching in public school.

633
00:53:33,482 --> 00:53:40,682
but what have you actually seen happen have you actually seen kids falling behind in these areas

634
00:53:40,682 --> 00:53:45,222
or do you actually see that they are instead actually accelerating much more in how they're

635
00:53:45,222 --> 00:53:50,782
learning what have you seen i've seen i've seen both i think if you're as again as a parent if

636
00:53:50,782 --> 00:53:56,182
you decide that you're only going to teach your kids a certain set of things and you specifically

637
00:53:56,182 --> 00:54:02,822
don't teach them about math. Okay. Well, then they're going to fall behind that.

638
00:54:03,822 --> 00:54:09,842
What I, what I, I think is more likely the case is you can accelerate it because you don't have

639
00:54:09,842 --> 00:54:14,882
it broken up. So if you're going back to the time management type of thing, I, uh, the amount of

640
00:54:14,882 --> 00:54:18,922
wasted time for someone to go to school, you got to go in the school bus maybe, or there's travel

641
00:54:18,922 --> 00:54:24,702
time there. There's time between classes. There's a lot of wasted time and you never really get into

642
00:54:24,702 --> 00:54:30,542
flow because your time's now broken up by a bell, right? So you're going to go into a classroom and

643
00:54:30,542 --> 00:54:35,202
you've got to, you know, you're going to go in there to study math. And then your teacher is

644
00:54:35,202 --> 00:54:39,022
going to be in a public school is going to be geared towards that middle because they don't

645
00:54:39,022 --> 00:54:44,982
have time to work on the special needs at the high end or the low end. So now you may or may

646
00:54:44,982 --> 00:54:50,182
not be getting the right level of instruction that you need. Then even if you happen to get

647
00:54:50,182 --> 00:54:55,862
into flow, the bell rings and you got to move on to the next thing. Anyway, the calendar year is

648
00:54:55,862 --> 00:54:59,742
broken up. So you're off in the summer. So you, at least in the U S you're going to spend the first

649
00:54:59,742 --> 00:55:05,622
part of the year next semester or next year, trying to relearn the stuff you learned from the

650
00:55:05,622 --> 00:55:14,062
before contrast that with homeschooling, homeschooling, you do year round, your kid can

651
00:55:14,062 --> 00:55:19,922
focus on something for as long or short as they want and get into flow. So let's say you actually

652
00:55:19,922 --> 00:55:26,482
like math and I let you study it for longer and you take on extra things and you're allowed to

653
00:55:26,482 --> 00:55:31,362
work on it a couple hours a day and you don't have this this interruption and wasted time and

654
00:55:31,362 --> 00:55:38,302
because you're doing it around the clock or around the calendar you're not constantly trying to fall

655
00:55:38,302 --> 00:55:44,782
back and relearn stuff every year so the the compound effect of what you can structure as a

656
00:55:44,782 --> 00:55:51,982
homeschooling parent is you can fast track any subject you want because it doesn't have to be

657
00:55:51,982 --> 00:55:57,702
math. This could be language. This could be science. This could be music. This could be

658
00:55:57,702 --> 00:56:02,722
a physical sport. It could be anything that you want to allow your kid to focus in a way that

659
00:56:02,722 --> 00:56:11,122
maximizes their potential there. And so just the frameworks of how you use your time are

660
00:56:11,122 --> 00:56:16,422
completely different. So does it mean everybody will use it that way? No. No, you're going to have,

661
00:56:16,562 --> 00:56:21,382
you'll have people who, whose kids might fall behind on, on something. On the other hand,

662
00:56:21,382 --> 00:56:27,242
if the parent is the one that is, it has the incentive of the kid's future in mind, they're,

663
00:56:27,322 --> 00:56:30,642
they're, they're thinking, I want to prepare my kid and they fall behind in reading. Guess what?

664
00:56:31,422 --> 00:56:36,402
If anything, those parents go to a greater extreme to help make sure their kids get the

665
00:56:36,402 --> 00:56:43,322
right focus to get to where they're going. So the incentives, it's almost like a self-correcting

666
00:56:43,322 --> 00:56:48,502
type of thing. If you fall too far behind and you as a parent have the incentives align with the kid,

667
00:56:49,022 --> 00:56:52,242
you're actually then going to probably spend more time to address that need

668
00:56:52,242 --> 00:56:58,542
than what otherwise happened. But there's no way that anybody can guarantee you that if you do this,

669
00:56:59,682 --> 00:57:05,162
yes, you're going to accelerate. I think you'll find examples of one way or another,

670
00:57:05,162 --> 00:57:13,862
but just the have a level playing field it's you have a lot more advantages when you can control

671
00:57:13,862 --> 00:57:19,862
all those factors um because you can change you can change your time you can change your resources

672
00:57:19,862 --> 00:57:25,982
you can change whatever on the state-driven type of school you you don't have as much flexibility

673
00:57:25,982 --> 00:57:31,382
with that and there's actually a greater risk of falling behind and i think i don't believe in the

674
00:57:31,382 --> 00:57:34,182
It's sort of like looking at CPI versus monetary inflation.

675
00:57:34,322 --> 00:57:38,302
I don't agree with all the fiat education metrics.

676
00:57:38,302 --> 00:57:43,222
But even if you go by test scores, we're not proficient in reading.

677
00:57:43,542 --> 00:57:45,162
Like I forget the percentage off the top of my head.

678
00:57:45,222 --> 00:57:46,502
I should have done it before the show.

679
00:57:46,662 --> 00:57:48,722
But we're failing.

680
00:57:49,842 --> 00:57:50,582
We're failing.

681
00:57:50,662 --> 00:57:51,882
Our education system is failing.

682
00:57:52,982 --> 00:58:07,998
You go watch the homeschooling kids and you have kids that are walking around with books our son our oldest son used to he would be in all kinds of weird positions He be sitting on the couch upside down reading a book or walking

683
00:58:07,998 --> 00:58:12,838
up and down the stairs with, with, with, with a book. Not because we told him he had to read,

684
00:58:12,858 --> 00:58:20,018
but because he had a story that he was interested in and we let him, we just said, go ahead. And so

685
00:58:20,018 --> 00:58:26,678
the kids could read early and they could read fast. They, like, they just, they did it. You

686
00:58:26,678 --> 00:58:32,538
know, I actually think that kids want to learn. And this whole idea that kids hate school is because

687
00:58:32,538 --> 00:58:40,738
the state-driven type of framework is unnatural for how kids learn. And so, all right, I went too

688
00:58:40,738 --> 00:58:47,198
long on that, but that I think you're, you have, you're more likely to accelerate than you are to,

689
00:58:47,198 --> 00:58:54,638
to to dampen uh someone's someone's abilities no i love it i think that that's great and i think

690
00:58:54,638 --> 00:59:02,778
that the way that i would summarize is just that you're you're giving more trust and power to the

691
00:59:02,778 --> 00:59:08,878
child to figure out naturally what they resonate with which of these excuse me

692
00:59:08,878 --> 00:59:16,018
which of these paths really works with their brain type because i remember we all remember

693
00:59:16,018 --> 00:59:17,398
who went through public school growing up,

694
00:59:18,018 --> 00:59:21,518
there are certain kids who really struggle with a certain subject.

695
00:59:21,838 --> 00:59:23,298
The classic one is usually math,

696
00:59:23,538 --> 00:59:26,478
where you can tell that they have a really bright mind.

697
00:59:26,578 --> 00:59:29,878
They have a really great future ahead of them,

698
00:59:29,918 --> 00:59:32,458
but they just struggle at the numbers being put together

699
00:59:32,458 --> 00:59:33,938
or whatever the subject may be.

700
00:59:34,598 --> 00:59:38,738
And the current fiat schooling system really punishes you,

701
00:59:39,178 --> 00:59:40,878
even if you're really good at all the other ones.

702
00:59:41,178 --> 00:59:43,718
If you're bad at one, you get this bad grade letter,

703
00:59:43,718 --> 00:59:49,158
and it brings down your GPA and you're told that you need to focus more on this thing

704
00:59:49,158 --> 00:59:52,898
that you don't really enjoy doing or are good at.

705
00:59:52,898 --> 00:59:58,378
And it just steals your time and energy from being able to focus on the things that you do like and are good at.

706
00:59:58,678 --> 01:00:05,938
So essentially it just gives you and your kids that ability to just be more flexible with things

707
01:00:05,938 --> 01:00:10,238
because there's nothing less flexible than the fiat schooling system.

708
01:00:10,398 --> 01:00:13,158
It's so rigid like you've talked about.

709
01:00:13,158 --> 01:00:18,458
how yeah like you an hour here an hour there are the bell rings you have to go here uh you have to

710
01:00:18,458 --> 01:00:24,198
you raise your hand if you you need to go to the bathroom like it's literally like a jail basically

711
01:00:24,198 --> 01:00:29,998
with some some teachers teaching you things that aren't even relevant to you yeah and i also wanted

712
01:00:29,998 --> 01:00:37,278
to add on how you talked about the this idea that kids really want to learn but oftentimes they

713
01:00:37,278 --> 01:00:43,198
being forced into a certain path is what the real thing that stops you from going down that

714
01:00:43,198 --> 01:00:46,858
learning journey and i can use myself as an example here you talked about books and just

715
01:00:46,858 --> 01:00:51,598
reading i never liked reading when i was in school i always hated it because we're forced to read

716
01:00:51,598 --> 01:00:57,338
but later on many years later after i graduated what do you know all of a sudden i you know i

717
01:00:57,338 --> 01:01:01,138
want to read some books i want to read some books yeah that's just how it goes it's like as soon as

718
01:01:01,138 --> 01:01:07,238
your things open up and you have the ability to choose your own yeah it just feels so much

719
01:01:07,238 --> 01:01:12,378
more organic and the homeschooling model really lets like the parents are really just a guardrail

720
01:01:12,378 --> 01:01:18,838
and sort of just you're you're there to assist them in their own organic path is that how you'd

721
01:01:18,838 --> 01:01:24,078
basically summarize it yeah well i'd not only would i i'd agree with that but i'd say you're

722
01:01:24,078 --> 01:01:30,258
actually hitting on a couple of other things so one the way that you learn is by failing you watch

723
01:01:30,258 --> 01:01:34,738
a kid stand up and fall and stand up and fall whether it's to walk or ride a bike or whatever

724
01:01:34,738 --> 01:01:42,278
it is. When you get that bad grade, you're basically sending the message that it's not

725
01:01:42,278 --> 01:01:48,658
okay to fail, right? That's fundamentally not good. Yes, I get it. You didn't get the,

726
01:01:48,898 --> 01:01:53,698
whatever it was on the concept and you want to, it's a way of measuring where you are. I'm not

727
01:01:53,698 --> 01:01:57,478
arguing against that. I'm just saying there's a certain message that goes with that saying, Ben,

728
01:01:58,478 --> 01:02:04,318
you failed, you got a red, you got something wrong, bad, right? And now you're like,

729
01:02:04,318 --> 01:02:10,538
oh, my grades are in danger and whatever else you're thinking. So that was one thing. And then

730
01:02:10,538 --> 01:02:13,078
the other thing that you said, there's another thing you said in there that I wanted to comment

731
01:02:13,078 --> 01:02:20,998
on. Oh, I know what it is. Thank you. You're also sending the message that when you grade that way,

732
01:02:21,718 --> 01:02:28,078
that you need somebody else to justify whether or not you're progressing and you're doing okay.

733
01:02:28,998 --> 01:02:33,718
Right? So if you write an essay and I have a political agenda and I mark you down,

734
01:02:34,318 --> 01:02:42,058
Like there's there's a you're almost trying to get you're trying to say, I need an authority figure to justify whether or not I'm OK.

735
01:02:42,898 --> 01:02:46,038
Right. And you're ingraining that in that in that system.

736
01:02:46,038 --> 01:02:51,778
The teacher is going to say whether or not I'm OK, the test, the whatever that's in there.

737
01:02:52,458 --> 01:02:57,638
And so there's a couple of second and third kind of impacts that you're having.

738
01:02:57,758 --> 01:03:00,958
One, failure is bad. That's not true. That's not how we learn.

739
01:03:01,438 --> 01:03:03,938
If you're an entrepreneur, you need to try and try and try and try again.

740
01:03:03,938 --> 01:03:08,678
Right. If you're I mean, it just that's the way humans, that's the way we do things.

741
01:03:09,078 --> 01:03:17,158
That's how I develop the games. I don't they're not perfect the first time I do like as many as many game tests as I can do to try to work it out.

742
01:03:17,218 --> 01:03:20,938
And the second thing is who gets to say what is OK and not OK.

743
01:03:21,118 --> 01:03:25,598
And you're basically saying, I want the state. I want the teacher. I want the administrator.

744
01:03:25,758 --> 01:03:28,678
I want somebody else gets to tell me whether or not I'm OK.

745
01:03:28,678 --> 01:03:41,598
And you, you, you, you kind of, you, that's a, that's a way that you're breeding in conformity into their minds that I need this, this extra layer to tell me when it's okay.

746
01:03:42,178 --> 01:03:50,518
And you don't need, whereas, whereas if you're, if you, if you're teaching your kids at home, something happens.

747
01:03:51,058 --> 01:03:57,078
And like, I don't know, the dog makes a mess or there's a glass breaks or something happens.

748
01:03:57,078 --> 01:04:03,978
you can now, you can now say, okay, let's, you can now help teach that child. Well, what'd you do

749
01:04:03,978 --> 01:04:09,378
about it? And you start to say, well, oh wait, I got to take action. Yeah. You don't, you don't

750
01:04:09,378 --> 01:04:17,238
need me there. Go clean it up. Right. Go, you know, or if, if like you can, you can teach different

751
01:04:17,238 --> 01:04:23,818
things that are not even part of the curriculum. You can teach in that case that you can think for

752
01:04:23,818 --> 01:04:28,898
yourself. You don't need someone else's authority to do with it. Or the kid doesn't get something

753
01:04:28,898 --> 01:04:33,598
done. You gave them an assignment. They couldn't read the book, whatever it is. And you can flip

754
01:04:33,598 --> 01:04:39,238
it around and help them learn how to learn. How do I learn from my mistakes? Is this, should I feel

755
01:04:39,238 --> 01:04:45,858
bad about myself? Should I worry about it? Or do I look at that as this is an opportunity. Now,

756
01:04:45,998 --> 01:04:50,718
now I know the wrong way of doing it. Now I can try it another way. Think about what that,

757
01:04:50,718 --> 01:04:55,418
that framework does for their, for their lifetime. If they, and kids are like sponges, they will,

758
01:04:55,618 --> 01:05:01,018
they will apply it to other areas. If you teach someone that, Hey, it didn't work with the

759
01:05:01,018 --> 01:05:05,178
relationship, with the academics, with the job, with the, whatever, what are you going to do about

760
01:05:05,178 --> 01:05:09,058
it? Are you going to feel bad about yourself? You're going to look for somebody else to justify

761
01:05:09,058 --> 01:05:15,558
how you feel or whatever. I don't know. It doesn't matter versus, huh? You know, I touched the stove

762
01:05:15,558 --> 01:05:22,038
and it hurt. So I think I'm not going to touch the stove again. Let me try again and encourage them

763
01:05:22,038 --> 01:05:30,958
to use that. It's like the resistance is a way of making you stronger, right? If you teach kids

764
01:05:30,958 --> 01:05:38,458
that principle versus the conformity of a public state school, that's not even a curriculum item.

765
01:05:38,697 --> 01:05:42,378
You're teaching them a framework on things. And those are the things that are more subliminal

766
01:05:42,378 --> 01:05:50,058
that where the damage in one system is harder to see and the benefits of the other are also hard to

767
01:05:50,058 --> 01:05:55,038
see in the short term but in the long term you can see the compound effects of of how the kids

768
01:05:55,038 --> 01:05:59,358
turn out in terms of are they able to problem solve do they need other people to tell them

769
01:05:59,358 --> 01:06:07,098
whether they're okay or not it's just there's so many second and third layer types of things that

770
01:06:07,098 --> 01:06:14,078
you can do when you take control over the parenting, when you have self-custody of your

771
01:06:14,078 --> 01:06:19,278
parenting versus trusting somebody else to do it. Is it possible a teacher is going to teach them

772
01:06:19,278 --> 01:06:24,618
that stuff? Yeah, technically it's possible. But I would say it's more likely that you're going to

773
01:06:24,618 --> 01:06:28,338
do the right thing for what you think you need to do because you're the one that loves your child.

774
01:06:28,618 --> 01:06:33,458
You're the one that brought them into this world. You're the one who's staying up at night when they

775
01:06:33,458 --> 01:06:39,058
have the fever, you're like, you're the one that wants them to be successful. That's going to spend

776
01:06:39,058 --> 01:06:44,858
the time to help them learn. How do you deal with failure? How do you deal with whatever it is?

777
01:06:45,697 --> 01:06:52,258
And you just can't get that if it's just this one, like, you know, top down, here's a curriculum,

778
01:06:52,437 --> 01:06:56,718
here's what you must do. And by the way, we're going to teach you how to take a test, not because

779
01:06:56,718 --> 01:07:01,858
it helps you in life, but because it helps the school with their whatever. So like, they're just

780
01:07:01,858 --> 01:07:08,118
not even in the same camps in terms of incentives. So I know that we kind of went sideways on that

781
01:07:08,118 --> 01:07:12,458
one, but there's a lot of layers to that. We explore all the layers. I love it. I think that's

782
01:07:12,458 --> 01:07:17,238
great. And one of the pieces that you mentioned there that I think is important to touch on is

783
01:07:17,238 --> 01:07:23,638
how like not all teachers are bad. Like a lot of the teachers within this fiat schooling system are

784
01:07:23,638 --> 01:07:28,818
wonderful, excellent people who want the best for these kids. And I can definitely look back on my

785
01:07:28,818 --> 01:07:32,458
own time going through public school like some of them were really awesome i still keep in touch

786
01:07:32,458 --> 01:07:37,437
with them they really joined that job because they care about teaching yeah but the problem is

787
01:07:37,437 --> 01:07:42,778
the system itself and this is you know another common theme in bitcoin is like same as you know

788
01:07:42,778 --> 01:07:46,958
the political system you know there are people that go through that i'm sure they have the really

789
01:07:46,958 --> 01:07:52,098
best intentions of mine to help their constituents and you know pass good laws or whatever but the

790
01:07:52,098 --> 01:07:57,118
system is so rotten it's impossible for them to overpower it no matter how good they are and the

791
01:07:57,118 --> 01:08:03,898
The best ones end up leaving and starting a podcast or something more independent because they realize they can't change the system.

792
01:08:04,018 --> 01:08:06,697
And this is the same for the teaching system.

793
01:08:06,697 --> 01:08:12,858
I'm really glad you brought that up because I don't want anybody to think that I'm saying teachers are bad, administrators are bad.

794
01:08:13,618 --> 01:08:16,298
I do think there's some people out there with bad intentions.

795
01:08:16,298 --> 01:08:22,798
I do not think that all people though, especially those that choose that profession

796
01:08:22,798 --> 01:08:28,898
go into that with the idea that they're there to harm people. That is not my message at all.

797
01:08:29,498 --> 01:08:34,258
I'm speaking in generalities with that. Just like if you go to universities, yes,

798
01:08:34,258 --> 01:08:41,258
most universities are so far on one side of the political spectrum that it's like indoctrination.

799
01:08:41,258 --> 01:09:01,338
It does not mean you don't have libertarian or Austrian economic types of professors out there. So I'm not saying that the individuals are there. I'm really glad you brought that up. I do think that the majority of people go into that profession and they have good intentions of what they're trying to do.

800
01:09:01,338 --> 01:09:17,318
I would say you're really handcuffed. The pay is going to be kind of limited and you're probably going to be worried. If I don't follow what the administrators say to do, I lose my job and now my family is at risk.

801
01:09:17,318 --> 01:09:22,718
So, and then you say, even if you get past that, you say, I'm willing to take that risk.

802
01:09:22,718 --> 01:09:24,818
You only have so much time in the day.

803
01:09:24,818 --> 01:09:31,238
So if you have 25 kids and five need extra special help because they're slow and five

804
01:09:31,238 --> 01:09:42,293
need have the potential to do really really well you ignore them and you focus on the 15 in the middle because you only have so many hours and resources in the day So even with the greatest intentions

805
01:09:43,173 --> 01:09:50,833
they're in a very difficult, very difficult role. So I appreciate you standing up for that. I didn't

806
01:09:50,833 --> 01:09:58,333
mean to imply that all teachers were somehow bad. And I know that there's this pattern,

807
01:09:58,333 --> 01:10:02,113
which we're seeing in all sorts of different industries and i don't know the details of it

808
01:10:02,113 --> 01:10:09,113
exactly but there's more and more survey type things coming out where students will like you

809
01:10:09,113 --> 01:10:12,993
know grade their teachers at the end of the year how did how did they do did they make you feel good

810
01:10:12,993 --> 01:10:20,533
and a lot of the the weight of those is being put on like did you like them did they make you feel

811
01:10:20,533 --> 01:10:25,393
good rather than they teach you something important and powerful did they go against the grain and

812
01:10:25,393 --> 01:10:30,633
make you think differently and challenge your views and so many people and so many kids going

813
01:10:30,633 --> 01:10:35,853
through these these systems are sort of weakened by it for the reasons we've talked about they're

814
01:10:35,853 --> 01:10:41,113
sort of just put into this you know simple track of like just you know answer these questions

815
01:10:41,113 --> 01:10:47,393
correctly if you have if you think outside the box you're you're bad basically and so then when

816
01:10:47,393 --> 01:10:53,273
these teachers do come in who challenge them and you know maybe do things that we would consider

817
01:10:53,273 --> 01:10:57,733
good, which is make them think differently outside the box, the kids have a negative

818
01:10:57,733 --> 01:11:01,093
impression of that because it's different than what they were told earlier on.

819
01:11:01,473 --> 01:11:04,733
And those teachers will then be sort of pushed out of that system.

820
01:11:04,953 --> 01:11:07,513
Is that basically, do you, do you know the details of that?

821
01:11:07,553 --> 01:11:11,693
I've heard people talking about this, how I can't remember who it is, but some teacher

822
01:11:11,693 --> 01:11:15,653
that I've listened to on a podcast talked about how he was basically pushed out of a

823
01:11:15,653 --> 01:11:18,553
school he worked at because he was challenging the status quo.

824
01:11:18,853 --> 01:11:20,173
You can get pushed out for a lot of things.

825
01:11:20,173 --> 01:11:30,493
There's a part of the similarities, I think, between the education side and Bitcoin is there's also the then they fight you stage.

826
01:11:31,573 --> 01:11:33,673
Right. So you get big enough and now they fight you.

827
01:11:33,673 --> 01:11:45,013
So as the political agendas have risen, if you try to stand up for critical thinking and having a different point of view, if you didn't, for example, there's a case.

828
01:11:45,133 --> 01:11:47,233
I remember what it was. There was multiple cases.

829
01:11:47,233 --> 01:11:52,353
but there was a professor, a professor teacher called a student by the wrong pronoun.

830
01:11:53,213 --> 01:11:56,253
And I forget what it was. It was like a fire drill or something. Somebody had said something

831
01:11:56,253 --> 01:12:00,613
and it was, it was, there was no intention. There was no intent behind what he had said that was

832
01:12:00,613 --> 01:12:06,673
meant to be derogatory. He disagreed with it and he had been calling the student by their first name,

833
01:12:06,773 --> 01:12:11,813
but somehow an incident happened and he accidentally said the wrong pronoun. He got fired

834
01:12:11,813 --> 01:12:16,673
and he had to go through years of lawsuits and a lot of turmoil.

835
01:12:16,873 --> 01:12:19,273
So he was personally put through a grinder.

836
01:12:20,553 --> 01:12:21,753
And for what?

837
01:12:22,193 --> 01:12:26,153
Because someone had an agenda and said, you have to talk this way.

838
01:12:26,193 --> 01:12:27,013
You have to believe this way.

839
01:12:27,073 --> 01:12:28,073
You have to do whatever it was.

840
01:12:28,113 --> 01:12:28,913
You have to fit this mold.

841
01:12:30,113 --> 01:12:34,593
So not everybody's going to go through that,

842
01:12:35,273 --> 01:12:40,453
but there's a lot of pressures that they're probably under.

843
01:12:40,613 --> 01:12:41,713
I haven't gone deep on it.

844
01:12:41,813 --> 01:12:46,873
My guess is they also have huge pressures to make sure that their kids do well on standardized tests.

845
01:12:47,813 --> 01:12:57,853
Therefore, instead of me teaching you about critical thinking or AI or something other that might be more, maybe money, monetary literacy, that'd be great, energy literacy.

846
01:12:57,853 --> 01:13:02,613
Instead of teaching about those, I'm going to teach you how to do well on your standardized test.

847
01:13:02,613 --> 01:13:11,873
I don't really care that it doesn't help you in real life because I'm being evaluated on how well my kids do on that.

848
01:13:11,993 --> 01:13:15,993
So now there's just a whole lot of things in there.

849
01:13:16,213 --> 01:13:19,293
I kind of look at it's almost similar to the medical system.

850
01:13:20,113 --> 01:13:26,093
If you have a teacher and a student and you had the same as a doctor and a patient and there was nobody else between them.

851
01:13:26,973 --> 01:13:28,193
That makes sense to me.

852
01:13:28,193 --> 01:13:48,853
When you layer in unions, administrators, political factors, whatever they might be, insurance, funds, insurance, managers, when you layer in all these other things in between, then the people who suffer are the people that you say you're supposed to be there for.

853
01:13:48,853 --> 01:13:55,013
right and it's the same like the medical you have when you have insurance and the pharmaceuticals

854
01:13:55,013 --> 01:13:58,393
and the medical devices and then you have the politicians that are supported by all those

855
01:13:58,393 --> 01:14:05,033
all those big industries you you have you don't you don't get the best care for the patient

856
01:14:05,033 --> 01:14:10,453
right instead of instead of again technology should be deflationary we should have the best

857
01:14:10,453 --> 01:14:17,753
medical care ever and at a lower cost right now theoretically why are our medical costs so high

858
01:14:17,753 --> 01:14:25,033
Well, look at all those other layers of things that are in between and that the people who suffer are the people who actually need the treatment.

859
01:14:25,693 --> 01:14:35,793
If you if you take all that away and you separate medicine and state and let the doctors actually talk to their patients again, I think that's that's kind of the same thing with education.

860
01:14:36,573 --> 01:14:45,153
The intent may have been good, but over time, there's a lot of players in here who have other intentions and the people who suffer are going to be the students.

861
01:14:45,973 --> 01:14:50,293
And so get them out of the way and let the teachers do that.

862
01:14:50,353 --> 01:14:59,493
And I would say, if you just take it a step further, the fully decentralized education is homeschooling because now you're all the way down to the parent.

863
01:15:00,253 --> 01:15:10,213
But the more you bring on these other incentives and then the nature of the fiat money, again, I go back to Seb Bunny's book because he talks about this in a lot of different areas.

864
01:15:10,213 --> 01:15:18,253
the unintended consequences of the inflation of fiat money corrupts everything.

865
01:15:19,493 --> 01:15:22,213
It defends medical education.

866
01:15:22,393 --> 01:15:24,833
It all eventually will be corrupted.

867
01:15:26,293 --> 01:15:29,373
There are just so many Bitcoin analogies that fit in perfectly.

868
01:15:29,673 --> 01:15:32,393
I mean, you just talked about the peer-to-peer of it,

869
01:15:32,393 --> 01:15:37,593
or just removing the bloat in between the teacher and student,

870
01:15:37,933 --> 01:15:38,833
which should be nothing.

871
01:15:38,833 --> 01:15:51,713
There should be nothing in the way of that. It should be just the simple teacher and student and the freedom to be able to ebb and flow with where that student's head is at and what they're good at.

872
01:15:52,033 --> 01:16:00,733
And we keep coming back to that because I think that's the most important thing, just giving them the ability to flow with what works well for them and what they want to do.

873
01:16:00,733 --> 01:16:12,533
And another note I had here that I want to touch on is this idea that's sort of been fabricating my brain as you're talking about this, this idea of good boredom and bad boredom.

874
01:16:12,633 --> 01:16:14,233
There's different types of boredom.

875
01:16:14,233 --> 01:16:27,933
And when I think of the fiat schooling system, when you're just there and just like filling out these bubbles on a sheet and, you know, answering these questions, scared of getting one wrong.

876
01:16:28,233 --> 01:16:35,073
And, you know, just staring at the clock, waiting for it to go to lunchtime so you can go eat some rectangle plastic pizza.

877
01:16:36,173 --> 01:16:42,093
This is that's another whole other subject to the whole the fiat food stuff.

878
01:16:42,093 --> 01:16:51,473
And what's being forced on kids in the schools is it's really disturbing.

879
01:16:52,253 --> 01:16:56,033
It makes everything worse because their brain is being poisoned at the same time.

880
01:16:56,113 --> 01:16:56,933
Brain is being poisoned.

881
01:16:57,873 --> 01:17:02,353
And then you wonder why kids can't sit still and they're sleeping.

882
01:17:02,513 --> 01:17:07,813
I mean, now you're into the big farm thing where they say, well, we recommend that you take these drugs.

883
01:17:07,913 --> 01:17:11,173
We're going to identify you with some kind of attention disorder.

884
01:17:11,173 --> 01:17:37,873
And then it just feeds on itself. And it's, uh, I, I, that in itself is a whole hour long, you know, discussion. So, and I, I'm sorry, my little, my little guy here is upset with me. So no worries. Yeah. Yeah. That's like a huge piece that, you know, that sort of outside of our scope today. But I mean, we, we talk a lot about food on the show and that's always important. You know, what you're fueling yourself with is important.

885
01:17:37,873 --> 01:17:44,273
and there's so many steps that you can take there even the parents that are you know listening to

886
01:17:44,273 --> 01:17:48,373
this who are still saying their kids are public school and you know they're trying to just take

887
01:17:48,373 --> 01:17:53,413
a positive step right direction maybe not go extreme to all the way home school you can start

888
01:17:53,413 --> 01:17:59,653
just helping your kid by just changing their breakfast like switching from cereal and soy

889
01:17:59,653 --> 01:18:05,573
milk which is unfortunately what i had pretty much my entire young life i ate horribly growing up and

890
01:18:05,573 --> 01:18:08,833
And now that we studied Fiat food, this is actually you and Tal,

891
01:18:08,853 --> 01:18:09,733
we can go deep on this.

892
01:18:10,873 --> 01:18:11,633
I'm with you.

893
01:18:12,153 --> 01:18:16,113
I ate poorly, but then my parents thought they were doing what was recommended.

894
01:18:17,533 --> 01:18:20,973
And the result is these things compound on each other.

895
01:18:21,073 --> 01:18:24,513
So now you're less healthy and you have all these other things that we talked about.

896
01:18:24,513 --> 01:18:26,573
They do it with love.

897
01:18:27,393 --> 01:18:29,753
They're doing their very best with what they know.

898
01:18:29,753 --> 01:18:42,693
And unfortunately, the message is being pushed into the brains of so many parents is that meat is bad, fat is bad, more carbs, more seed oils, all that crap.

899
01:18:43,393 --> 01:18:47,973
So the parents that want to just make a quick step, just switch your breakfast out for bacon and eggs.

900
01:18:48,193 --> 01:18:48,513
Yes.

901
01:18:48,693 --> 01:18:50,753
And watch them immediately start doing better.

902
01:18:51,593 --> 01:18:51,853
Yes.

903
01:18:51,853 --> 01:19:03,673
And that's an important first step and, you know, have pack their lunch for them and put some steak or some ground beef and some eggs in there or something healthy, you know, and they will immediately start doing better.

904
01:19:03,793 --> 01:19:05,493
And then everything can improve from there.

905
01:19:05,533 --> 01:19:07,753
Whenever you're improving your health, anything can improve.

906
01:19:08,473 --> 01:19:11,733
I was like, oh, yeah, I was originally talking about the boredom thing, though.

907
01:19:11,853 --> 01:19:19,553
So bad boredom is when you're stuck in class, filling out these answers on a bubble sheet, you know, staring at the clock.

908
01:19:19,553 --> 01:19:32,313
I would say a good boredom that we talked about earlier as well is when you are in sort of a more open environment where it kind of forces you to figure out something to entertain yourself.

909
01:19:33,333 --> 01:19:37,453
And I'm sure you've seen lots of examples of this where, you know, boredom can be a good thing.

910
01:19:37,493 --> 01:19:42,273
You're seeing them, those gears in the brain start to turn like, how do I entertain myself?

911
01:19:42,333 --> 01:19:44,853
And they start building blocks, like you said, or they start reading a book.

912
01:19:44,853 --> 01:19:55,553
Like, how would you talk about that contrast between bad and good boredom and why people should think about that and like how boredom isn't always bad, but, you know, it can be helpful?

913
01:19:55,553 --> 01:20:00,253
I actually think you did a really good job explaining it right there.

914
01:20:01,293 --> 01:20:02,613
It's okay to be bored.

915
01:20:03,313 --> 01:20:04,733
Go out and figure out something to do.

916
01:20:04,733 --> 01:20:15,973
Think about what the high time preference society that we're in where I have immediate gratification with social media or emails or news or anything else.

917
01:20:16,013 --> 01:20:17,473
And it's just constant, constant, constant.

918
01:20:17,953 --> 01:20:22,773
And it's okay to stop and to think.

919
01:20:24,673 --> 01:20:28,813
And when you struggle with boredom, I think you described it pretty well.

920
01:20:28,813 --> 01:20:35,113
That's something that it's kind of a lost, I don't say lost skills.

921
01:20:35,353 --> 01:20:36,113
I mean, you can get it back.

922
01:20:36,473 --> 01:20:41,433
But I just completely agree with you.

923
01:20:41,673 --> 01:20:44,593
You don't have to entertain kids 100% of the time.

924
01:20:44,653 --> 01:20:45,793
That is not your responsibility.

925
01:20:46,873 --> 01:20:52,873
And if they go outside and they have to create their own Cowboys and Indian games using sticks

926
01:20:52,873 --> 01:20:57,873
because you didn't buy them any squirt guns or laser tag guns or something else,

927
01:20:57,873 --> 01:20:59,793
they're using their imagination.

928
01:21:01,073 --> 01:21:01,553
Okay.

929
01:21:01,773 --> 01:21:02,413
Like that's,

930
01:21:02,513 --> 01:21:03,913
that's okay to be creative.

931
01:21:03,913 --> 01:21:07,313
If you're inside because it's a rainy day and you have to figure out

932
01:21:07,313 --> 01:21:23,309
something else with your your toys maybe you spend more time with your the the pets Maybe you spend more time in nature Maybe you spend more time The I think it it it good to have good boredom There is I agree with you There good and bad

933
01:21:23,569 --> 01:21:27,509
there are good and bad types of boredom. And today it's way too easy with the phone and the

934
01:21:27,509 --> 01:21:34,549
internet and all the other devices to just expect instant gratification and get that dopamine hit

935
01:21:34,549 --> 01:21:36,888
from whatever it is that you're doing.

936
01:21:37,629 --> 01:21:41,129
And you never really learn to struggle through ideas on your own.

937
01:21:41,668 --> 01:21:43,569
You're not practicing creativity.

938
01:21:43,789 --> 01:21:45,549
You're not practicing problem solving.

939
01:21:46,448 --> 01:21:47,569
That's how you get better.

940
01:21:47,729 --> 01:21:50,829
You get better by, you don't go to the gym and then don't push yourself.

941
01:21:50,989 --> 01:21:52,529
Well, your mind needs to be pushed.

942
01:21:52,708 --> 01:21:56,849
And sometimes that boredom is part of that thinking problem solving process.

943
01:21:58,168 --> 01:21:59,069
Couldn't agree more.

944
01:21:59,069 --> 01:22:01,249
I think that's so important for people to understand

945
01:22:01,249 --> 01:22:08,749
you're not doing your kids a favor by you know saving them from being bored with like you know

946
01:22:08,749 --> 01:22:12,829
throwing an ipad in front of them like we talked about or something to just like take away that

947
01:22:12,829 --> 01:22:18,089
boredom you want to let them go through that process so they can themselves figure out how

948
01:22:18,089 --> 01:22:24,049
to entertain themselves with their imagination and it's such a powerful tool it is it really is

949
01:22:24,049 --> 01:22:30,869
i could not agree with you more on that so i think we could start slowly bringing this thing

950
01:22:30,869 --> 01:22:35,129
home by just looking at the big picture here. And we talked about this a couple of times, but

951
01:22:35,129 --> 01:22:40,569
how would you describe the landscape right now? I know there's so many more people in the Bitcoin

952
01:22:40,569 --> 01:22:47,208
world talking about homeschooling and exploring this idea, but how is it looking around the world?

953
01:22:47,349 --> 01:22:51,729
Like, is this like international? Is this movement growing or more and more parents figuring this out?

954
01:22:51,769 --> 01:22:56,148
Is it gaining momentum? And how is that sort of brushing up against, like we talked about,

955
01:22:56,148 --> 01:22:59,489
how some governments are just making it illegal to do this.

956
01:22:59,688 --> 01:23:02,009
How do you see this playing out in the coming years?

957
01:23:03,129 --> 01:23:08,648
I will just preface it by saying I don't consider myself a subject matter expert globally.

958
01:23:09,148 --> 01:23:16,069
I do think it's a pretty global world, though, and it's going to be a battle.

959
01:23:16,069 --> 01:23:22,869
So if you have made your living and you have your power and your money based on a certain way,

960
01:23:23,009 --> 01:23:25,029
you're not going to give it up easily.

961
01:23:26,148 --> 01:23:33,729
And so as more and more people are seeing how like the frog is now being boiled and people realize what's going on.

962
01:23:33,729 --> 01:23:38,269
And sorry, my dog is just just really losing his mind over here.

963
01:23:39,349 --> 01:23:41,009
He's getting through his boredom.

964
01:23:41,168 --> 01:23:46,109
No, I think he has a different issue to go with.

965
01:23:47,249 --> 01:23:51,329
The the more and more people are going to resist.

966
01:23:51,329 --> 01:23:58,989
And just like with the fourth turning idea, when you get through this, we're approaching the crisis phase.

967
01:23:59,549 --> 01:24:02,229
So I think what's going to happen is this is going to be volatile.

968
01:24:02,609 --> 01:24:07,049
I don't think you transition from one money system to another without volatility.

969
01:24:07,349 --> 01:24:13,349
I don't think we transition from the system we have today without a lot of volatility.

970
01:24:13,349 --> 01:24:20,789
And I think globally what you're going to have is you're going to just have different versions of this playing out.

971
01:24:21,329 --> 01:24:29,269
It seems to me that Europe is digging its heels in on going to centralization and socialism.

972
01:24:30,888 --> 01:24:40,888
The U.S. seems to be more in the populist stage where people are pretty pissed off about the system and they're going to put in people they think are going to disrupt the system.

973
01:24:40,888 --> 01:24:50,908
if you are the unions, for example, are really upset with some of the things that Trump's doing.

974
01:24:51,129 --> 01:24:56,188
Here Trump comes in and he says he's going to eliminate the Department of Education and do other things.

975
01:24:56,809 --> 01:24:59,789
You're seeing a lot of legal action.

976
01:25:00,269 --> 01:25:04,388
You're seeing a lot of different, like the social media side.

977
01:25:05,329 --> 01:25:07,908
It's polarizing depending on where you're at.

978
01:25:07,989 --> 01:25:10,589
So I think we're in for more of that.

979
01:25:10,888 --> 01:25:14,829
And I don't know around the world where different countries are.

980
01:25:14,829 --> 01:25:19,629
If some countries already have more control, they're going to be able to cap that.

981
01:25:20,208 --> 01:25:32,569
So if you're already in a totalitarian type of environment that controls and has a lockdown on what's said and not said, I don't think you're going to see much change because they're already in control.

982
01:25:32,569 --> 01:25:41,428
I think in other places where there's some degree of freedom to speak out and to take alternative actions, then you're going to see more of that.

983
01:25:41,549 --> 01:25:46,149
So I think homeschooling as a percentage is going to continue to increase in the United States.

984
01:25:46,388 --> 01:25:59,229
I think as Bitcoin grows and more people go through that process of learning about load-based Austrian economics, load-time preference, and all these other principles that we talk about, these first principle ideas,

985
01:25:59,229 --> 01:26:04,629
it's going to be harder and harder to hold the ideas of freedom back.

986
01:26:05,448 --> 01:26:10,749
So, for example, I don't want to get too technical because I don't know the exact, you know, who the listeners level.

987
01:26:10,868 --> 01:26:15,688
But if you look at what Nasser is doing on communication, where you're going to take control of your identity,

988
01:26:16,408 --> 01:26:21,309
and you hear about the ideas that we're talking about today,

989
01:26:22,509 --> 01:26:27,529
it might take you a long time, but maybe you leave your jurisdiction and you go to another country.

990
01:26:27,529 --> 01:26:40,609
And you can't do it today and you can't do it tomorrow. But what's going to happen is I think people will start to vote with their feet, depending on these jurisdictions. And people are going to fight. And I don't think you can just hold these ideas in.

991
01:26:40,609 --> 01:26:53,529
I don't think now that the idea of a scarce digital asset like Bitcoin is out there, even if someone found a way, I don't think they will, but hypothetically someone found a way of destroying Bitcoin.

992
01:26:53,968 --> 01:26:58,448
That concept is already out there.

993
01:26:59,168 --> 01:27:01,809
And the same thing is going on with communications.

994
01:27:02,168 --> 01:27:04,609
And now it's going to impact everything.

995
01:27:05,349 --> 01:27:08,549
It's going to impact food, medicine, education.

996
01:27:09,049 --> 01:27:09,688
Take your pick.

997
01:27:10,609 --> 01:27:12,549
These ideas are going to be out there.

998
01:27:13,928 --> 01:27:26,589
And I don't think what we've heard in the last few decades about where the trends had been going, I think that was a minority.

999
01:27:26,589 --> 01:27:29,509
I think that was a very vocal minority.

1000
01:27:29,688 --> 01:27:34,509
And what's happened now is more people are speaking up and more people are taking action.

1001
01:27:34,629 --> 01:27:39,188
And as more people take action, they're going to be encouraged that they can take action too.

1002
01:27:39,188 --> 01:28:02,749
So I think it's a powder keg, and I think it's more aligned with the fourth turning type of idea where, let's say it takes, if you follow that philosophy, we're in the fourth phase, and we're probably five to 10 years away from getting to the next phase, which would be abundance phase and peace.

1003
01:28:02,749 --> 01:28:06,589
So I think it's going to get more volatile

1004
01:28:06,589 --> 01:28:09,329
Both ways

1005
01:28:09,329 --> 01:28:10,809
There are going to be more people homeschooling

1006
01:28:10,809 --> 01:28:13,349
There are going to be more people using other tools

1007
01:28:13,349 --> 01:28:15,089
That are available to educate the kids

1008
01:28:15,089 --> 01:28:16,888
The way they think that they should be educated

1009
01:28:16,888 --> 01:28:20,009
The people who have certain types of power

1010
01:28:20,009 --> 01:28:23,089
Are going to try to do more extreme things

1011
01:28:23,089 --> 01:28:24,049
To keep their power

1012
01:28:24,049 --> 01:28:27,229
To hold people down through legislation

1013
01:28:27,229 --> 01:28:29,428
Through other means

1014
01:28:29,428 --> 01:28:32,069
I think that's the battle

1015
01:28:32,069 --> 01:28:36,168
I think it's going to get it's going to be more volatile for five to 10 years.

1016
01:28:36,829 --> 01:28:39,468
And then and I don't know.

1017
01:28:39,509 --> 01:28:43,309
And again, I just caveat the whole thing is and it's fun to talk about.

1018
01:28:43,649 --> 01:28:51,289
I don't consider myself a global expert on all these different trends, but it just seems to be consistent with the other things that we're seeing.

1019
01:28:52,129 --> 01:28:55,569
That's logically where I think education is going to follow.

1020
01:28:56,349 --> 01:28:59,229
And that's a really bright future in five or 10 years.

1021
01:28:59,229 --> 01:29:02,188
But for the moment, it's an uphill battle.

1022
01:29:02,749 --> 01:29:08,208
And depending on what stage you're in personally, you have options.

1023
01:29:08,609 --> 01:29:11,849
But just realize that you have options with your money too, right?

1024
01:29:11,948 --> 01:29:14,868
So you just have to make decisions.

1025
01:29:15,029 --> 01:29:15,989
How are you going to use your time?

1026
01:29:16,069 --> 01:29:17,089
How are you going to use your resources?

1027
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:22,029
And in the case of your family, what are you going to do with education?

1028
01:29:22,928 --> 01:29:24,829
They're all going to go together, in my opinion.

1029
01:29:26,829 --> 01:29:27,948
I love that.

1030
01:29:27,948 --> 01:29:29,749
everything about that I agree with.

1031
01:29:30,089 --> 01:29:34,009
And the one little piece I would add

1032
01:29:34,009 --> 01:29:35,489
as the perfect topper to that

1033
01:29:35,489 --> 01:29:39,329
is that going into this battle that you mentioned

1034
01:29:39,329 --> 01:29:41,309
that I think we can all see is brewing.

1035
01:29:41,989 --> 01:29:44,989
The biggest power structure of the state

1036
01:29:44,989 --> 01:29:46,509
that's trying to crack down all this

1037
01:29:46,509 --> 01:29:47,408
is the money printer.

1038
01:29:47,908 --> 01:29:48,948
So when you buy Bitcoin,

1039
01:29:49,229 --> 01:29:52,729
you are helping defund this giant apparatus

1040
01:29:52,729 --> 01:29:53,948
that has all this power

1041
01:29:53,948 --> 01:29:55,849
and is trying to crack down everybody.

1042
01:29:55,849 --> 01:30:01,129
So buying Bitcoin itself is being part of the solution, which is powerful.

1043
01:30:01,289 --> 01:30:02,349
You cannot discount that.

1044
01:30:02,868 --> 01:30:09,888
Joining Nostra, like you talked about, opening up communication to make free speech truly free again is huge.

1045
01:30:10,249 --> 01:30:22,708
We talked about the food component, how eating more healthy food helps everyone's brains just work better and their hormones work better so we can have a more powerful, ground-up, grassroots force.

1046
01:30:22,708 --> 01:30:27,849
all of these pieces come into it and that's why all all three of those things that the money the

1047
01:30:27,849 --> 01:30:33,649
nostril and the carnivore are all pieces of this that will help people and it's so important i i

1048
01:30:33,649 --> 01:30:40,109
love that and i agree with your outlook that it's going to get weirder before it gets better first

1049
01:30:40,109 --> 01:30:45,888
but freedom is going to win in the end and i'm very optimistic about that and i think more parents

1050
01:30:45,888 --> 01:30:51,229
should be you know just diving into these rabbit holes with us because they they give you a very

1051
01:30:51,229 --> 01:30:55,928
long-term outlook, even longer than they already have. As we talk about how having kids just

1052
01:30:55,928 --> 01:31:00,188
lowers your time preference already and makes you think more long-term, which is why it's so

1053
01:31:00,188 --> 01:31:05,888
powerful. But then the more you learn about these solutions, even those parents that may be a little

1054
01:31:05,888 --> 01:31:11,668
bit nervous about the future will become more optimistic, more motivated to help build these

1055
01:31:11,668 --> 01:31:16,749
solutions that's going to make their kids and their grandkids' lives better. Scott, where can...

1056
01:31:16,749 --> 01:31:17,149
Oh, go ahead.

1057
01:31:17,149 --> 01:31:22,349
Well, I just kind of add, I mean, just I want to leave on a high note because it's worth it.

1058
01:31:23,448 --> 01:31:27,529
Homeschoolers are known for having bigger families than non homeschoolers in general.

1059
01:31:28,329 --> 01:31:30,168
I think Bitcoiners are there as well.

1060
01:31:30,408 --> 01:31:41,428
And in terms of globally, one thing I did hear recently was that the birth rates in a lot of countries that are having problems have fallen to a level that is not enough to sustain the population.

1061
01:31:41,428 --> 01:31:50,749
those are all symptoms of what we just described and i think they will i'm i want to leave on the

1062
01:31:50,749 --> 01:31:58,968
optimistic note it's 100 worth it to have a family 100 worth it to homeschool and you don't have to

1063
01:31:58,968 --> 01:32:04,649
try to solve these big picture things take care of yourself take care of your family and then if

1064
01:32:04,649 --> 01:32:10,629
you can have a podcast if you can do books if you can do if you can do other things and help that's

1065
01:32:10,629 --> 01:32:15,908
that's great. But it's okay. There's nothing wrong with being, it's not selfish. If you take

1066
01:32:15,908 --> 01:32:21,368
care of yourself and your family and you do the right thing, and we all do that, then you are

1067
01:32:21,368 --> 01:32:26,649
helping to become part of the better future. So I don't, I just, I don't want to leave on the high

1068
01:32:26,649 --> 01:32:32,289
note. I'm really, really bullish about the future. Really amazing things are going to be out there.

1069
01:32:32,908 --> 01:32:39,769
We do have some weirdness to get through, but it's okay. It's not the first time in history that,

1070
01:32:39,769 --> 01:32:44,468
that that humans have gone through, you know, these these different periods.

1071
01:32:44,468 --> 01:32:49,668
And if you zoom out and you say, oh, OK, and just this is the time

1072
01:32:49,724 --> 01:32:50,644
This is our time.

1073
01:32:51,344 --> 01:32:52,644
What are you going to do with your time?

1074
01:32:52,844 --> 01:32:53,624
That's your question.

1075
01:32:54,284 --> 01:32:56,704
And so anyway, sorry, go ahead.

1076
01:32:57,524 --> 01:32:58,504
No, I love it.

1077
01:32:58,904 --> 01:32:59,304
Totally.

1078
01:32:59,484 --> 01:33:05,624
I think that's the exact mindset to have and to be optimistic, but really lock in and understand what your purpose is here.

1079
01:33:06,104 --> 01:33:10,784
Stay motivated, stay angry at the right places, stay loving at the right places.

1080
01:33:10,784 --> 01:33:12,764
Just keep your head on a swivel at all times.

1081
01:33:14,044 --> 01:33:19,464
Where can people follow you, Scott, and learn more about this project you're building, the hoddle up game, the free market kids,

1082
01:33:19,464 --> 01:33:21,624
all this good stuff that you're putting out there for the world.

1083
01:33:22,104 --> 01:33:23,044
Oh, thanks for that.

1084
01:33:23,264 --> 01:33:27,244
So freemarketkids.com is the best way to look at the products

1085
01:33:27,244 --> 01:33:28,864
that we already have with the games.

1086
01:33:29,044 --> 01:33:31,604
You can also, there's a place there if you want to send me an email.

1087
01:33:31,824 --> 01:33:33,544
It's just scott at freemarketkids.

1088
01:33:34,484 --> 01:33:39,044
On Twitter, it's scottlinberg93 or freemarketkids.

1089
01:33:39,144 --> 01:33:40,964
Either one of those will come to me.

1090
01:33:40,964 --> 01:33:44,484
I can give you a Nostra link if you like that as well.

1091
01:33:45,324 --> 01:33:47,324
We always show the Nostra in here every time.

1092
01:33:47,324 --> 01:33:57,424
All right. I think it's, I got to look at what the, I got to get used to what the short version is. I don't have it handy. I'm just thinking of the QR code I send off.

1093
01:33:57,704 --> 01:34:14,044
The NPUB works. I usually throw that in there so people just copy and paste it. But yeah, excellent. Well, I'm so excited to see what you continue to build and just learning more about the space in general, because this is something that I want to learn more about and be prepared for in my own life.

1094
01:34:14,044 --> 01:34:18,524
so really appreciate all the work you're doing the education you're putting out there and the

1095
01:34:18,524 --> 01:34:24,924
the content you're giving to people who need it the games you know games are such a good way for

1096
01:34:24,924 --> 01:34:29,584
people to learn so uh looking forward to more people finding that and i appreciate you so much

1097
01:34:29,584 --> 01:34:32,344
for your time scott and look forward to keeping in touch thanks ben