1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,380 You know, our wonderful producer here on the side, GoToHealth, she has been unbelievable. 2 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,300 You guys have both been grinding. 3 00:00:13,420 --> 00:00:14,060 I've seen you. 4 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:14,760 Thank you, man. 5 00:00:15,020 --> 00:00:19,060 You know, just funny, because that's how we ran into each other. 6 00:00:19,260 --> 00:00:22,240 We're walking down the promenade, is that what they call it here? 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,360 And you spotted this actual shirt. 8 00:00:24,500 --> 00:00:25,600 I think I was wearing it. 9 00:00:25,620 --> 00:00:26,580 You go, hey, first Bitcoin. 10 00:00:26,700 --> 00:00:27,500 No, it was another one. 11 00:00:27,540 --> 00:00:28,020 Doesn't matter. 12 00:00:28,020 --> 00:00:30,960 You go, anyway, I'm like, yeah, dude, you go into the conference. 13 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,080 The first Bitcoin shirt I saw since I got to Vegas. 14 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:33,980 I'm like, that's my guy. 15 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:35,780 And I go, okay, well, blah, blah, blah, blah. 16 00:00:35,900 --> 00:00:37,040 And then go to health. 17 00:00:37,460 --> 00:00:39,920 She says, hey, you're Ben Mormon? 18 00:00:40,300 --> 00:00:43,760 And my God, we were like in the presence of greatness. 19 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:44,640 Thank you. 20 00:00:44,940 --> 00:00:45,400 Thank you. 21 00:00:48,820 --> 00:00:51,260 There's a reason that we need freedom tech. 22 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,740 And we need to be able to freely express ourselves. 23 00:00:54,740 --> 00:01:01,440 and what Noster has been able to do for, shall we say, that voice. 24 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,400 Obviously, you took full advantage of that. 25 00:01:05,180 --> 00:01:10,380 Now, you're, you're, you go, you personally, and I'm not, I'm not blowing smoke. 26 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:16,580 There's a reason I am a huge fan of you because you touch on all my hot buttons in a good way. 27 00:01:16,580 --> 00:01:19,540 so Ben if you follow him 28 00:01:19,540 --> 00:01:21,500 you can expect to hear 29 00:01:21,500 --> 00:01:23,340 global political 30 00:01:23,340 --> 00:01:25,760 opinions that ruffle feathers 31 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:27,900 if you are 32 00:01:27,900 --> 00:01:28,500 a 33 00:01:28,500 --> 00:01:31,260 what do they call those 34 00:01:31,260 --> 00:01:33,500 if you believe that the earth is round 35 00:01:33,500 --> 00:01:35,160 flat earther or glober 36 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,340 if you're a glober you won't like it 37 00:01:37,340 --> 00:01:38,320 you're not going to like me 38 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:40,280 so that 39 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:41,200 and 40 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,180 carnivory health 41 00:01:45,180 --> 00:01:46,120 We touch everything. 42 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:47,140 We go everywhere. 43 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,680 There's no stone we will leave unturned because that's why Nostro is so awesome. 44 00:01:51,820 --> 00:01:53,000 You can talk about whatever you want. 45 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,080 You don't have to have a niche. 46 00:01:54,260 --> 00:01:54,520 Yes. 47 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,100 Like my niche is just being a crazy person in every single area. 48 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:58,680 It's not crazy. 49 00:01:58,760 --> 00:01:59,300 Which is great. 50 00:01:59,620 --> 00:02:00,260 It's not crazy. 51 00:02:00,820 --> 00:02:03,680 And, Ben, it shows that you have an open mind. 52 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:09,040 And I have an anecdote where I'll sometimes ask people, do you think the earth is flat? 53 00:02:09,540 --> 00:02:12,120 And I get a weird contorted face. 54 00:02:12,900 --> 00:02:16,120 And what that tells me is that they're unwilling to accept concepts. 55 00:02:16,340 --> 00:02:17,820 I don't care if it's flat or round. 56 00:02:18,060 --> 00:02:22,120 What difference is it really going to matter other than they've been fucking lying to us? 57 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:22,380 Yeah. 58 00:02:22,540 --> 00:02:25,880 But it means that your mind is open. 59 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:26,340 Yeah. 60 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:41,816 And dude you are one of the most open individuals on NOSTA right now So it was a very fast rise for you What it done just in general for your podcast And what is the name of the podcast so we can follow Yeah so I the host of the Ben 61 00:02:41,816 --> 00:02:47,136 Worman podcast. And I go in all sorts of different rabbit holes with really smart people because I 62 00:02:47,136 --> 00:02:52,436 feel like that is the only thing I am really very good at and I can confidently say I'm good at is 63 00:02:52,436 --> 00:02:58,036 finding the right smart people to explain things much better than me. So it's perfect for podcasting 64 00:02:58,036 --> 00:02:59,976 because I know how to lob questions. 65 00:03:00,336 --> 00:03:03,356 I know just enough about all these different interesting rabbit holes 66 00:03:03,356 --> 00:03:06,356 where I can ask them the right questions and set them up 67 00:03:06,356 --> 00:03:09,436 to take the listeners through the same journey I went through 68 00:03:09,436 --> 00:03:11,736 that brought me to why I believe what I do, 69 00:03:11,836 --> 00:03:14,016 which people usually think is crazy. 70 00:03:14,376 --> 00:03:17,376 So it's my job as a podcaster to take them through the steps, 71 00:03:17,876 --> 00:03:20,216 and it's super cool to see that happening in real time 72 00:03:20,216 --> 00:03:21,676 when I meet people like you guys. 73 00:03:21,676 --> 00:03:24,396 So many people have pulled me aside here 74 00:03:24,396 --> 00:03:26,776 who are like anon accounts that I've never heard of, 75 00:03:26,776 --> 00:03:28,636 But they're like, I love your podcast. 76 00:03:28,736 --> 00:03:30,316 It's so cool to hear your takes. 77 00:03:30,396 --> 00:03:31,796 I love how you explain things on Noster. 78 00:03:31,796 --> 00:03:37,976 And just having Noster as a place where you can just throw stuff, anything out there. 79 00:03:38,196 --> 00:03:38,376 Yes. 80 00:03:38,496 --> 00:03:39,296 And I mean anything. 81 00:03:39,436 --> 00:03:46,336 Because when you're on any centralized platform like Twitter or Instagram, you really have to think, am I going to post this on there? 82 00:03:46,576 --> 00:03:49,896 Because at worst I could get banned or censored. 83 00:03:50,396 --> 00:03:55,656 You could also just, you know, the algorithm doesn't like it when you don't get engagement. 84 00:03:55,656 --> 00:03:58,936 Like on Twitter, if I post a song, not even controversial, 85 00:03:59,036 --> 00:04:01,856 if I post a SoundCloud song I'm listening to on Twitter, 86 00:04:02,276 --> 00:04:03,376 it's not going to get that many likes. 87 00:04:03,476 --> 00:04:04,256 I mean, it's just a song. 88 00:04:04,416 --> 00:04:06,956 But on Nostra, you might not get that many likes either, 89 00:04:07,056 --> 00:04:08,936 but it doesn't hurt your algorithm standing. 90 00:04:09,076 --> 00:04:12,356 So you're not punished for it by this mystery, shadowy algorithm. 91 00:04:12,716 --> 00:04:13,776 So Nostra is amazing. 92 00:04:13,876 --> 00:04:14,376 I love it. 93 00:04:14,656 --> 00:04:16,356 It's great to be here back in the Nostra booth. 94 00:04:17,556 --> 00:04:19,676 This has been the home base for all the cool kids. 95 00:04:20,256 --> 00:04:21,836 I couldn't agree more. 96 00:04:21,896 --> 00:04:23,716 And we've had so many of them come through here, 97 00:04:23,716 --> 00:04:27,836 and it's been fun to talk with them and throw to the main stage once in a while. 98 00:04:28,016 --> 00:04:30,716 But I don't want to keep you too long because there's lots going on. 99 00:04:30,716 --> 00:04:32,516 I could stay and talk all day, my friend. 100 00:04:32,696 --> 00:04:33,296 No rush. 101 00:04:33,996 --> 00:04:35,076 Believe me, we could. 102 00:04:35,256 --> 00:04:39,176 The audience online, we'd probably take them into some places where they're going, 103 00:04:39,236 --> 00:04:39,596 you guys are nuts. 104 00:04:39,596 --> 00:04:43,696 We could just switch this into my podcast right now and just start going for two hours. 105 00:04:43,696 --> 00:04:44,716 We probably should. 106 00:04:45,076 --> 00:04:45,476 Transition. 107 00:04:45,736 --> 00:04:47,256 I'd be happy to be a guest one time. 108 00:04:47,276 --> 00:04:47,736 Yeah, we should. 109 00:04:47,796 --> 00:04:48,656 I want both of you guys on. 110 00:04:48,716 --> 00:04:49,096 That'd be great. 111 00:04:49,416 --> 00:04:53,696 Well, GoToHealth, we'll talk about carnivory and holistic nutrition. 112 00:04:53,716 --> 00:05:01,816 and I'll talk about what Eric Dubé first brought to an idea and a concept. 113 00:05:01,816 --> 00:05:15,492 You can talk about Israel and That interesting trip you guys went on If you want to go there No no we better not And for obvious reasons we still negotiating that thing 114 00:05:15,492 --> 00:05:19,772 We all have to figure out how aggressive we get about the things we know. 115 00:05:20,112 --> 00:05:23,332 Because even with the ultimate freedom protocol of Doster, 116 00:05:23,752 --> 00:05:28,172 you're still taking risks when you challenge certain ideas and certain people. 117 00:05:28,732 --> 00:05:29,992 So it's always a game. 118 00:05:30,292 --> 00:05:32,192 I play it more aggressively than most. 119 00:05:32,192 --> 00:05:34,492 but I still hold certain things. 120 00:05:34,612 --> 00:05:38,692 I'm still brainstorming how I'm going to bring up certain concepts to the podcast, 121 00:05:39,012 --> 00:05:40,912 but eventually everything's going to be on there. 122 00:05:40,992 --> 00:05:42,472 So just subscribe and you'll find it eventually. 123 00:05:42,672 --> 00:05:43,892 It's just a matter of when. 124 00:05:44,632 --> 00:05:49,152 And spicy, but not in a shit post kind of a way. 125 00:05:49,412 --> 00:05:49,812 It is. 126 00:05:49,972 --> 00:05:56,352 It's, hey, you challenge the viewer, the listener, the person reading your stuff. 127 00:05:56,652 --> 00:05:58,892 And, of course, hey, if you don't like it, turn it off, right? 128 00:05:58,892 --> 00:06:01,552 I mean, nobody says you have to watch this. 129 00:06:02,192 --> 00:06:06,512 But, yes, you definitely introduced some very challenging subjects. 130 00:06:06,512 --> 00:06:14,972 And I think maybe because we haven't gone there in this particular stream, we'll kind of save it for your podcast later. 131 00:06:15,072 --> 00:06:16,292 Because I'd love to get into it. 132 00:06:16,332 --> 00:06:16,672 Trust me. 133 00:06:18,112 --> 00:06:18,952 What's the plans? 134 00:06:19,012 --> 00:06:22,852 What are you going to do while you're spending your last little bit in Las Vegas? 135 00:06:23,132 --> 00:06:24,332 Are you going to go to Donny Osmond? 136 00:06:25,092 --> 00:06:25,752 I don't. 137 00:06:25,832 --> 00:06:26,532 I haven't heard of that one. 138 00:06:26,572 --> 00:06:27,652 Is that like a show or something? 139 00:06:29,152 --> 00:06:31,872 Can you tell that we've got a bit of an age difference here? 140 00:06:32,192 --> 00:06:33,252 Puppy love? 141 00:06:34,412 --> 00:06:35,012 Sorry. 142 00:06:35,432 --> 00:06:35,812 No idea. 143 00:06:36,312 --> 00:06:36,972 No, I know. 144 00:06:37,392 --> 00:06:38,472 This is great. 145 00:06:38,472 --> 00:06:42,752 If you're anywhere over 50 years of age, you might know what I'm talking about. 146 00:06:42,852 --> 00:06:44,252 Ben, what's in your playlist? 147 00:06:44,552 --> 00:06:45,252 Let's put it this way. 148 00:06:45,752 --> 00:06:49,632 If you were going to post a song that was your vibe for today, 149 00:06:49,732 --> 00:06:52,132 what would be the tune that you throw to? 150 00:06:52,172 --> 00:06:55,072 Well, I throw all my weird music I listen to on Noster. 151 00:06:55,332 --> 00:06:58,432 Like I was saying earlier, you're not docked for low engagement, 152 00:06:58,592 --> 00:07:01,092 so I just throw every weird thing I'm listening to on there, 153 00:07:01,092 --> 00:07:05,632 which is usually like really bassy, weird, electronic and trap stuff. 154 00:07:05,832 --> 00:07:08,852 So Primal has a cool advanced search feature. 155 00:07:08,992 --> 00:07:12,852 If you just go and just search, posted by me and Toonster, 156 00:07:13,292 --> 00:07:14,992 which we know is a good hashtag around here, 157 00:07:15,252 --> 00:07:17,172 you can see all the weird music I post. 158 00:07:17,212 --> 00:07:19,012 I always throw Toonster on the tracks and I'm dropping, 159 00:07:19,132 --> 00:07:21,252 so just go scroll through and listen to those. 160 00:07:21,432 --> 00:07:25,432 Let me just talk about Toonster because I hope we can get them on the stream 161 00:07:25,432 --> 00:07:27,572 before we close out today because we did try that. 162 00:07:27,572 --> 00:07:35,232 Open mic, we've done two outside events with Toonster, one at a launch party in the golf 163 00:07:35,232 --> 00:07:49,248 course Last night we were at a downtown the old school Fremont area of thing Original artists this is again a very cool thing that happening That brand Toonster is kind of neat 164 00:07:50,148 --> 00:07:54,848 It is specifically Toonster.io with respect to those guys. 165 00:07:55,368 --> 00:07:56,968 So there's Mike right now. 166 00:07:57,128 --> 00:07:58,128 We're just paying attention. 167 00:07:58,288 --> 00:07:58,988 We won't let him go. 168 00:07:59,388 --> 00:08:00,348 We'll make sure he gets in here next. 169 00:08:00,348 --> 00:08:00,888 Yeah, we will. 170 00:08:03,048 --> 00:08:05,008 So Trip Hop? 171 00:08:05,168 --> 00:08:05,388 Trap? 172 00:08:05,748 --> 00:08:06,348 What's it? 173 00:08:06,348 --> 00:08:06,648 What did you call it? 174 00:08:06,648 --> 00:08:09,528 Oh, it's just trap and bass and trap music. 175 00:08:09,728 --> 00:08:13,108 And it's not like the shitty rap music that people call trap. 176 00:08:13,268 --> 00:08:13,448 Right. 177 00:08:13,608 --> 00:08:15,928 Just go listen to the songs I posted on my Noster. 178 00:08:16,188 --> 00:08:16,408 Yeah. 179 00:08:16,768 --> 00:08:18,888 I got a bunch of good SoundCloud playlists. 180 00:08:18,928 --> 00:08:22,948 I don't know if there's like a Noster or V4V version of SoundCloud yet. 181 00:08:23,028 --> 00:08:23,988 I know if Wave Lake is kind of it. 182 00:08:23,988 --> 00:08:24,608 Wave Lake, yeah. 183 00:08:25,368 --> 00:08:31,108 This is actually one of my major goals for the future, next five, ten years or so, 184 00:08:31,108 --> 00:08:35,268 is to start reaching back into all the music producers 185 00:08:35,268 --> 00:08:39,328 and just general artists that have really colored my life up to this point. 186 00:08:39,428 --> 00:08:40,828 Music is a lot of it for a lot of us. 187 00:08:40,948 --> 00:08:41,188 Nice. 188 00:08:41,288 --> 00:08:43,468 And try to get them into the value for value ecosystem 189 00:08:43,468 --> 00:08:45,368 so I can start zapping them like crazy 190 00:08:45,368 --> 00:08:48,688 for providing this cool soundtrack to my whole life. 191 00:08:49,128 --> 00:08:50,128 So that would be cool. 192 00:08:50,208 --> 00:08:51,968 Because I'd love to have them all on wavelength 193 00:08:51,968 --> 00:08:53,508 so I can start posting wavelength links. 194 00:08:53,648 --> 00:08:54,488 That's better than SoundCloud. 195 00:08:54,568 --> 00:08:55,028 We know that. 196 00:08:55,208 --> 00:08:55,428 Yes. 197 00:08:56,208 --> 00:08:57,488 You've hit my hot buttons. 198 00:08:57,488 --> 00:09:01,308 That's how I got into live streaming 30 years ago, folks. 199 00:09:01,608 --> 00:09:01,768 Wow. 200 00:09:01,828 --> 00:09:04,188 Audio only wanted to disrupt radio. 201 00:09:04,808 --> 00:09:05,848 I'm a disruptor. 202 00:09:06,408 --> 00:09:09,648 And obviously, that's why it led me to Noster and Bitcoin. 203 00:09:10,168 --> 00:09:12,248 Disrupt the financial system. 204 00:09:12,468 --> 00:09:14,188 Disrupt the social networks. 205 00:09:15,768 --> 00:09:18,048 But yeah, I'm a former musician. 206 00:09:18,328 --> 00:09:19,948 And that's what got me going. 207 00:09:20,068 --> 00:09:21,428 So I love where you're going. 208 00:09:21,548 --> 00:09:22,468 Love to help with that. 209 00:09:22,848 --> 00:09:23,148 Yes. 210 00:09:23,148 --> 00:09:24,848 what we should do is get 211 00:09:24,848 --> 00:09:27,208 Chain Duel on just because we don't 212 00:09:27,208 --> 00:09:28,608 want the stream to go too long 213 00:09:28,608 --> 00:09:31,088 Ben once again the podcast for 214 00:09:31,088 --> 00:09:33,088 everybody at home follow Ben Worman on 215 00:09:33,088 --> 00:09:35,028 Noster and the podcast 216 00:09:35,028 --> 00:09:37,008 where is the Ben 217 00:09:37,008 --> 00:09:39,108 yeah so my Noster 218 00:09:39,108 --> 00:09:41,188 you can just go to primal.net slash Ben 219 00:09:41,188 --> 00:09:43,128 and I have a website with 220 00:09:43,128 --> 00:09:44,888 like everything else on it Ben 221 00:09:44,888 --> 00:09:47,208 W-E-H-R-M-A-N 222 00:09:47,208 --> 00:09:48,988 dot com has a podcast 223 00:09:48,988 --> 00:09:51,048 I got a blog that I throw stuff on there 224 00:09:51,048 --> 00:09:53,128 sometimes I'm just throwing stuff 225 00:09:53,128 --> 00:09:55,208 all over the place, but it'll all be on Nostra. 226 00:09:55,268 --> 00:09:56,428 That's the future, for sure. 227 00:09:56,608 --> 00:09:57,228 It is indeed. 228 00:09:57,908 --> 00:09:59,208 Thanks for taking the time, man. 229 00:09:59,528 --> 00:10:00,028 The reverend. 230 00:10:00,028 --> 00:10:03,848 I cannot be more grateful that we ran into each other on the street. 231 00:10:03,868 --> 00:10:04,728 Yes, it was a blessing. 232 00:10:04,888 --> 00:10:08,828 And we're going to spend more time in the near future, I'm sure. 233 00:10:09,068 --> 00:10:09,468 Absolutely. 234 00:10:09,628 --> 00:10:10,768 Okay, folks, we'll be back. 235 00:10:11,568 --> 00:10:14,268 Just break away for a second, get the next interview lined up. 236 00:10:15,068 --> 00:10:15,788 Good stuff. 237 00:10:15,928 --> 00:10:16,288 Love it.