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The Ben Pod!

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Yes dude.

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These are strong magnets.

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Hold on.

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The Ben Pod.

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The Ben Pod.

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Johnny, The Ben Pod.

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Welcome to The Ben Pod.

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Johnny, you need to have a comfortable spot.

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We'll just make it outside into the world.

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You good? Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, we got music in the background with amores.

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Guess what? There are girls in the house.

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There are girls in the house.

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Only boys are allowed on this episode.

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All right.

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Let's start this off.

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That was terrible.

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This is a fun change of pace.

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Paul had the wonderful idea earlier today, like an hour ago.

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We should bring the boys together for a conversation because we have boys in this house.

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We have conversations all the time and we never record them.

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So we should do that more often.

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So I'm here with Paul, Giles, and Johnny.

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Why don't we have you gentlemen give a quick introduction?

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I know we've had a couple episodes with Paul already, so people know him.

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If you haven't, look up Paul Keating on the episodes.

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But let's just pass it down.

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So glad we get to hang out with Ben instead of him being in his room podcasting all day.

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We're actually in the flash live doing it.

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Let's go.

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I'm primal.net slash Paul.

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I'm helping grow Primal, obsessed with Bitcoin,

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and then got these guys to come hang out with me in Costa Rica at the Primal House.

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name's giles uh also known as holistic hybrid on primal i've been living in the house for the past

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two months i'm an ultra marathon coach it was meant to be two weeks by the way and somehow i'm

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still still here do you have the record for most days at the house i think so yeah i'm pretty sure

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how long has it been do you think like two and two and a half months i think yeah yeah

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Amazing.

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Yeah, we might be doing 50 kilometers tomorrow as well with all of us.

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Stay tuned.

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That could be another podcast we could chat about.

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High five, that adventure.

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That'd be crazy live.

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My name is Johnny and I ended up being here.

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We'll do a little closer, I think.

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Yeah, I shouldn't even be here.

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All the coincidences led to me being here and having the best time of my life.

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I'm usually in Europe and traveling in a van.

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And yeah, now having the best time of my life in Costa Rica in the prime house.

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Johnny Canone.

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Let's go.

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Promo Nesos, Johnny Canone.

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Real quick, before we get deep, I want to try to show the people watching our video how beautiful our background is.

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Oh, yeah.

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Look at what we're looking at right now.

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Oh, that's only shot.

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We've got the pool down here.

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We've got the ocean over there.

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It's just like this is such a beautiful place.

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And oh, there's Sean, by the way.

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Sean is joining us.

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Okay.

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We're live on the bedtime.

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Sean, you're here to introduce yourself.

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Yeah, Sean, introduce yourself, dude.

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Here you go.

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Hey, my name is Sean.

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What do I say?

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Who are you?

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I am.

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I am.

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You're in the Primal House and tell us about how you ended up here and what we're doing here.

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I got to the Primal House because I saw Paul on Instagram and I saw him surfing outdoors in nature,

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but also working on a tech products and software.

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And that's what I do.

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So I'm also in software building a platform for health.

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But at the end of the day, health is not found in the screen.

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It is found outside of nature.

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So I was attracted to that.

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I was like, whoa, this looks cool.

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Happened to be going to Costa Rica anyway.

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And then we connected.

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And yeah, that's what brought me here.

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You know what harder, dude?

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Tell them about your app.

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About the app.

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The Upspace app is basically like kind of like Spotify,

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but Instagram-style content.

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but only health stuff. So Spotify model in the sense that health creators share healthy recipes,

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workouts, meditations, and education. And then the Spotify model in the sense that anybody

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goes in, they subscribe for access to everything. And then we pay the creators based on what the

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users actually complete. So creators are able to share this content and make money directly.

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And then the users or consumers are able to get all the health content in one place,

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distraction-free and without the temptations of Instagram or TikTok or anything.

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So that's the product.

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Beautiful.

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I want to hear about the origin story of the primal house itself,

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where we are all sitting today here in beautiful Uvita, Costa Rica.

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And for Paul and I's second episode together,

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you mentioned this during our conversation briefly.

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Yes.

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You said that you're scheming.

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So I want to know the origin story from where you first thought of this idea

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of just getting a sweet house in the middle of the jungle,

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inviting a bunch of creators and building people over here.

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How did you think that up, and how was the process from there?

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Well, like any good idea, it stems from boredom.

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And, well, it's always kind of been in the back of my mind.

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It was kind of like my dream to be the guy in Costa Rica

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and have a place for people to cruise down.

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And now I'm working for Primal, which is a social media company,

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and we're at the very early days of it.

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So, getting people in real life down here to Bitcoin Jungle, where you can actually spend Bitcoin, you can earn Bitcoin in the app Primal.

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It was like, all these things are so aligned, and I wanted it so bad for so long to be the guy down here.

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And I just kind of pitched the idea of the CEO, got a little bit of funding from Primal for it,

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and invited everybody I knew that would fit in to come down here and spend time with me.

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So, it's been really fun.

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How many total people have came through? Because it's been churning quite a bit since I got here.

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A couple dozen at least yeah mate maybe yeah probably under 30 but

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There's been some churn like a lot of good some people's coming for a night or two

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so if you count all those it's been a lot of seeds planted and

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Hopefully they'll bloom in the and I just think this is such a cool

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idea that more people should be doing just like bringing squads of

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Homeways together that are all doing similar things. Yeah, it's super primal like we're meant we're

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beams right like everything's just better in a group well yeah let's pass it to giles yeah what

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do you think what do you think yeah i mean i was here in uvita for a month like living in an airbnb

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by myself um and like the first two weeks was great like i got the most work done in my life

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but then the following two weeks was like what the fuck am i doing like i need to be around people

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like we're social animals um so this like living with people and getting to like yeah getting to

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know each other on like a deeper level i think is really really important and something that we're

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we've become so detached from in today's day and age which is yeah a bit of a shame in my mind

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yeah why why do you think people are not connecting like this as much as they used to

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i think the excuse of technology doing it like social media is a big reason um

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yeah there's the facade of like we can connect over a screen i can video call anybody but it's

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not the same as this as like being in the flesh um yeah and i think it takes a lot of time and

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like troubleshooting to actually get to that point of like deeply realizing it and some people still

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have no fucking idea which is like pretty wild to me as well yeah like they're just happy to live

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behind their screens and supposedly connect with other people through that medium yeah

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yeah so here's a question for johnny now so you you've got a sweet instagram brand you've been

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building for a long time how long you've been grinding on that instagram page well i started

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on the first of march in 2023 so wow that early years that's only two years you got 600 000

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followers on instagram in two years that's crazy so i want to hear like you're because you're

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obviously very much with this ethos of like bringing people together and

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connecting humans. We talk about how technology can either hurt that,

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like most people we see doom scrolling on their phone,

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but it can also bring people together.

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Like Paul and I would not know each other and I would not be here if I

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wouldn't have found him on Twitter and talking about, you know,

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Bitcoin all the time and then finding primal.

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And then all of us are here because of technology as well.

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So how do we balance using technology for good and not evil or boredom and

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losing our brain cells?

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As you mentioned, it's like a blessing and a curse and it depends how you use it.

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So, yeah, I think don't get too lost into the screens, into the scrolling and actually

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use social media as it's intended to be, right?

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It's a social media.

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So you get to know people, reach out to them, maybe meet them in real life.

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That's the end goal at the end of the day.

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It's not about wasting your time and distracting yourself because I think I don't necessarily

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I would say you have to be around people all the time.

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I think it's great to be alone sometimes too because if you are alone you are with your

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own thoughts, you get to know yourself better and I think that's very valuable.

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I would never use social media to distract yourself but just to get to know other people

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and maybe to gather some information to grow.

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There are many beautiful platforms like UpSpace for example where it's intended for you to

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grow and I think that's how you should use social media as an inspiration but then turn

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it off once it gets like too much, right?

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You don't want to sit in front of a screen all day long because it will just detach you

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from reality.

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So yeah, it's finding the right balance.

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So, and on social media it's crucial to not be like a consumer too much, rather be a creator

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and make the best out of the platform.

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Generate money, generate income.

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And not just doom scrolling.

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which is, how can you attune your radar

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to understand when you're using it badly

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and when you're using it well?

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And for me, I think everyone gets in this zone sometimes

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where you just catch yourself scrolling

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and you need to kind of stop and say,

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oh, I'm doing it again.

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I need to stop doing this.

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And certain, interestingly enough, I found when I, you know, eat off of my diet or have some crappy food, I find myself doing that more.

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I don't know if you guys have ever experimented with that.

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Like if you have some like bad meal or something or like eat some, you know, I don't know.

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It's been a while since I've done it.

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But I remember the next day after I eat something shitty, then I find myself doom scrolling more.

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And like nutrition is such a big part of it.

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And nutrition is big for all of us here.

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We have different perspectives on what perfect nutrition is.

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Sean and I were just talking last night about honey.

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We were discussing because I'm more on the carnivore side.

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Sean is very much a honey fan.

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But we're all being very intentional, which I think is where the majority of people should be.

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And that's how we can get there.

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But anyway, bringing it back, I wanted to ask you because Johnny was talking about UpSpace,

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how that's like a good creative way to use technology good.

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And so I'm curious for you, talk about like being creative and using technology

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because we've all heard about social media, like where people can, you know,

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post videos of themselves doing things and post pictures of their lives.

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But there also more ways that you can like build things on there that inspire people to like become stronger and like motivate people so how do you find that fits into this mix i think it it two things uh one from like the actual

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consumer side it's just putting more as johnny says the word so well consciousness into our

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being in our day-to-day lives so same thing with food like when you're conscious about the things

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you consume then you're going to eat pure and then that's going to great bring purity and clarity

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of mind versus a lack of consciousness eating trash food will then take away that purity and

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you'll have less clarity same thing when on social media it's being more conscious when we're

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consuming and that will lead to you noticing you're in the scroll be like why am i doing this

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i don't even want to be here anyway otherwise you kind of get hypnotized by the system so that's the

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one side from the consumer is being more conscious but then also as like builders in this world

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it's creating more conscious consuming places or creating better incentivized like platforms so

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for example like primal one thing that's really cool is they have the zaps where people literally

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pay in bitcoin if they like a post or whatnot and they will zap the other user and what that does is

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it puts more consciousness into somebody doing that.

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I want to pay this person.

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So that user is more consciousness,

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and then Primal rewards that interaction.

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So it makes the whole ecosystem of Primal

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more conscious than Instagram, for example,

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which is only incentive model is to get people hooked.

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So they're trying to get people hooked.

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They're trying to get the red dots, the likes, the comments, all these things.

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So it's a completely different infrastructure

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because their model is different.

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So as builders, we need to think of like,

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what are the models to properly incentivize ourselves

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and be more conscious in our building and then also more conscious in our creation.

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So I think it all comes down to just more awareness, more consciousness in that decision making.

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It's definitely about that, like trying to align incentives and also giving the user more control.

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I would like Instagram more if I could turn off the explore page,

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if I could have more control of the algorithm.

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Like, that's a huge thing.

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I mean, if Instagram did that, I'd lose a lot of talking points for Primal.

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But it's against their incentive, so I don't think they'll change that algorithm

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or give the users as much choice or have that be one of the things they market

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as part of their brand because it's not.

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It was interesting how you brought up the junk food thing.

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Have you noticed that?

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When you eat something shitty, your brain is just more NPC the next day?

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You become more of a zombie?

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It's because maybe you lose credibility within yourself.

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You lose trust in yourself.

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It could be a mental thing too.

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I know this is bad for me and now I slipped on this.

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I'm just going to go slip down this.

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It turned into a slippery slope.

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Yeah, that could be it too.

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Because just like processed food is designed to addict you,

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just social media is designed to addict you.

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It's very carefully manipulated or created to hit those points,

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those bliss points in your head to keep you on the screen

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or to keep you eating the BS.

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Sean brought up zaps too.

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I think zaps, for those listening that aren't on Nostra yet,

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That is literally just a little button you press to send little small bits of sats or Bitcoin to people.

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And so this is such a small little function.

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But I think you would agree that it's completely changing how social media works and how people are interacting in the world.

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Because we've been using it all over the place here in Costa Rica.

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Everywhere we go, these markets, seguras for the beef, you can pay for things with Bitcoin here.

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So you can literally pull out Primal and your wallet and zap them Bitcoin for these products and services in the real world.

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So this is like definitely bringing a real world change.

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So how do you view zaps as this truly, actually world changing and socially changing function?

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How many hours you got?

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A lot.

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As much as 57% on your phone can take us.

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it's it zaps well it looks it almost looks like a gimmick at first we always bring people on

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and we go hashtag introductions and people get zapped and it's like oh look at this cool thing

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then a lot of people might forget but really what it stands for is like this completely

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different model for social media of being able to directly support creators and they keep 100

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percent that doesn't exist anywhere else yet as well because Apple's taking a cut yeah all the

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centralized platforms like YouTube like they're incentivized to take a bigger and bigger cut and

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basically screw their creators as much as they can because they have shareholders to please and

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we know value for value works like only fans you wonder if just like a normal you know content if

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if it was easy to actually send people money.

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Because it's not right now,

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because there's a bunch of different bank accounts

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and they're all outdated.

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So I can't just send over money on Instagram

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to people in places that don't use the same...

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You know, banks as me.

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Whatever outdated stuff, whatever they use.

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Yeah, and I see a future where we could be streaming money

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while we're watching stuff like reels or YouTube videos,

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which would be incredibly interesting.

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because your attention is already like currency, so why not?

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And to keep yourself accountable while actually people that make the content

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are receiving the value of your attention.

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So it goes really deep.

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And it's the only fundamental thing that's different about Nostra

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compared to other social networks.

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So far.

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I feel like there's a lot of it.

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I mean, there's so many interesting things coming,

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but right now, zaps are definitely a huge separator.

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And do you have something else to add?

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I kind of want to know what these two because they're not as like deep in the Bitcoin space,

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like what they felt right away when they got zapped or like that was your brain has gone deep

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on that as well. Like, what do you think? That's gonna be my next question for Giles,

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because you've been here the longest other than Paul, you've had the most experience going to

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markets and paying for stuff with Bitcoin. How has that changed your routine rather than just

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paying in fiat currency? Yeah, I mean, it's kind of turned the whole game upside down for me. Like

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I've started earning in Bitcoin as well.

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Like my Primal wallet is stacked with sats

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because I can add value to other people

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in helping them run long distances

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and improve their health.

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And then, yeah, at the same time,

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I can do the same thing here,

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going to the markets,

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zapping other people freely.

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The proof of concept,

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like I earn like 3,000 sats

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on my first introductions post.

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and my mind was fucking blown when I went to the markets

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and I did my first ever Bitcoin purchase

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of paying for six free range eggs.

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Like that for me was like so damn exciting.

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Because it officially makes that connection

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between just creating something that people value

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and then you're getting value back

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through something you can buy.

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Yeah.

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Where you never had that before on social media.

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So it's like Instagram is disconnected.

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It can only be really a hobby.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Unless you're huge and can get sponsorships and stuff,

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which is where I was going to go with Johnny next, actually,

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because you have a big enough Instagram where you are able to go out

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and find these other unique ways to monetize with sponsorships and paid deals.

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But I have to imagine, when I scroll through your feed,

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your posts get thousands to tens of thousands of likes, tons of views.

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and now that you see Primal where people are just making money on things,

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how does that excite you?

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Because you have such a big audience there

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and there's so much money being left on the table,

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I think you would agree, even with those other strategies you're using.

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Right, so the thing with Instagram is if you just create on there,

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post videos and get millions of views,

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you don't get paid anything from Instagram.

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So as a creator on Instagram,

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you really have to also focus on the business side

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just to sell your own products

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or to reach out to brands regarding brand deals.

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And Primal is a way for creators to create on that

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and just focus on creating

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and you can get paid doing what you love

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and you don't have to learn all the business strategies

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and everything behind that.

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So I think, yeah, it's like a big change.

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It's a big shift.

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and yeah for me personally I mean I like creating more than doing the business stuff so

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yeah it's way easier to get money like that it's so interesting you say that because this this is

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kind of for Paul in Bitcoin we hear a lot how you know all the all these people like the artists

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and the people who are doing important things in society like architects builders doctors

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engineers, all these different jobs are now basically under the fiat standard.

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They're forced to become an investor on the side just to be able to keep their money because of inflation.

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And so I see an interesting connection here with Nostra because on the Bitcoin side,

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we talk about that, how all these people who have important real world jobs need to become investors on the side.

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And how Johnny just brought up how these creators and artists, people who are producing content,

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you're having to become like a business entrepreneur on the side in order to find

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ways to make money outside of the platform. Like you have to go outside of it to make money.

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And so Nostra is really just making it so it's all under one roof and it can be in one place and

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you can create anything that provides value for people. Anything that people are doing on any

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other social media platform, they can also provide services in the real world. Like they can offer,

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there's plenty of people like selling things on there now. There's marketplaces where you can

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hire people through Nostra and just get zaps for it it it opens everything up and it's super cool

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so what kind of stuff what's the cool stuff you're seeing on Nostra that is allowing people to just

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start making money immediately and seamlessly right through the protocol well I don't want to like

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overhype it because you know not many people are like actually making livings or anything out there

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now it still feels like a gimmick but if you 100x it from what it is now people would be legitimately

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making livings yeah like and this is such a small sample size right now that we have on nostr

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that it's insane but also i gotta tell this story i just posted our like gender reveal

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just smashed a coconut and it was a girl um and i posted it on every platform and on instagram i

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got a thousand likes on nostr on prime i got a thousand dollars yeah in bitcoin comparison so

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and it just

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Laura and I

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were just like

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I mean yeah

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it's a lot of

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dope for me

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but it's also

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just like

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man

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these likes

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are damn cheap

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so even in a

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world where

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Johnny would post

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like an awesome

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reel into

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the Nostraverse

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one day

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and then everybody

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just sends one

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set which today

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is like a fraction

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of a penny

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like that's gonna

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add up

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and it's gonna

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be really cool

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and it changes

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the way you

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create content

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because

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like you're not

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just creating content for an algorithm to serve your content, to serve everything out.

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It's like you're serving it to the people who get to decide if they want to put their

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hard earned stats to it.

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It's completely different.

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One interesting thing that I was talking to our developers about Bitcoin and Nasser today and one of them brought up a really interesting point that I really think about that Bitcoin enables and NOSA is a great example of it is like these little micro payments

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Because like if you're in fiat, you know, in currency, it might cost 25 cents per transaction.

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So it doesn't make sense to send cents.

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you know i mean like you're you're by sending a penny or 10 cents which adds up over time if a

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million views and everyone sends a cent you're making what is that 10k or something like that

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or like we're like a thousand bucks all that video so it adds up but in the usd world of dollars

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it wouldn't make any sense because you would have to send the transaction fees would be too high per

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transaction. So the combo between Bitcoin and blockchain and then Noster to be able to do that

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for those micro payments is really cool in social media because you might send a,

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like the default is like 42 sats, which equals how much? Four cents. Exactly. Like, and you're

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like, it doesn't feel a lot for you to send that. You're like, yeah, this is like a like,

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but they add up over time for sure. So there's a cool element there.

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And what Giles said earlier was for his introductions post, he got 3000 sats and,

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you know that's roughly like three dollars so for someone on the outside who hasn't used it yet may

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think like oh that's not a ton of money but when it actually happens to you and you see it it's

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suddenly real money and you're like oh crap like i'm actually earning bitcoin for this and i can

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you know huddle this in my wallet or i can go buy things in real life with it and it's you can see

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the the future is extremely bright because nostril is so small right now that you know that it's going

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going to grow. And when it does grow and it continues to scale, that's when, like you said,

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people are going to start making real livings off of this, like creating content for people.

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And I think that that's just a much more beautiful world where creators of all kinds can make a

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living just by posting their content for people. Because right now, you only see a very small few

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people able to do that on the centralized platforms because they're incentivized to scrape as much

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of the profits off those people as they can for themselves to please their shareholders,

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but Nostra doesn't have that problem.

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Mic drop?

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What's that? Mic drop?

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Yeah.

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Would you agree with that?

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I mean, so how big is Nostra right now?

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It's still just like 40K daily.

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40K active daily.

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And what is it on Instagram?

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It's like billions.

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Facebook has billions.

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It's crazy.

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It's minuscule.

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So we're just a tiny little fraction of the internet.

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And what's the trend that you're seeing right now on growth?

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It's flat.

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Like we haven't been able to spike anything lately.

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A lot of the world events are what brings growth.

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Like Telegram CEO getting arrested.

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Like TikTok being shut down.

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I don't know how many times we've got to remember that like social media is broken.

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But at the same time, it just gives us more time.

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Nostra's not ready for the billions yet as much as I want it to be but I think that it's like the

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people that are here the right ones and you know long-term oriented anyway and building things that

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are going to last and bring us into a more decentralized age which I think will be better

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for this time. So with that said that just knowing that we are early and there's definitely

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work to do to really grow this thing.

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What would you say is the reason for people to come and be early?

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What are the benefits to joining now when it is still relatively small

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and you're not going to be making a huge bucks yet,

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but you could still make some.

473
00:27:00,143 --> 00:27:01,323
Why should people still join?

474
00:27:02,203 --> 00:27:05,703
Right now it is still full of a bunch of ideological people.

475
00:27:06,703 --> 00:27:09,823
Just the idea of actually owning your own brand,

476
00:27:11,123 --> 00:27:12,603
owning your own identity online.

477
00:27:12,603 --> 00:27:17,703
I like to think of the analogy of the aliens looking down upon earth

478
00:27:17,703 --> 00:27:20,803
and they see how we transact with money

479
00:27:20,803 --> 00:27:24,483
and we work our whole lives for money

480
00:27:24,483 --> 00:27:27,783
and the money can be manipulated like this

481
00:27:27,783 --> 00:27:31,543
by a few people that can print the money

482
00:27:31,543 --> 00:27:33,203
aliens would laugh at that

483
00:27:33,203 --> 00:27:36,043
and then they'd also crack up at the fact that

484
00:27:36,043 --> 00:27:39,023
our primary communications and way of sharing knowledge

485
00:27:39,023 --> 00:27:41,703
is trapped in these corporations

486
00:27:41,703 --> 00:27:44,883
that can easily be shut off and manipulate the content.

487
00:27:45,203 --> 00:27:46,663
There's nothing stopping them from doing that.

488
00:27:47,043 --> 00:27:51,663
Even though a CEO might seem based or cool or I might trust a CEO,

489
00:27:51,823 --> 00:27:56,083
they're still human, and it's still a centralized risk, point of failure.

490
00:27:56,723 --> 00:27:59,523
So I think they'd laugh at the fact that the information and the money

491
00:27:59,523 --> 00:28:01,483
is not flowing around in a decentralized manner.

492
00:28:02,143 --> 00:28:03,963
Noster frees information.

493
00:28:04,143 --> 00:28:05,763
There's multiple ways to get the information out.

494
00:28:05,823 --> 00:28:07,463
It doesn't get stuck in one point.

495
00:28:07,623 --> 00:28:08,883
Not one person can shut you down.

496
00:28:08,883 --> 00:28:12,683
not one person can take your identity from you.

497
00:28:13,323 --> 00:28:16,123
So it's just such a better idea,

498
00:28:16,283 --> 00:28:17,703
like almost objectively in my opinion,

499
00:28:18,143 --> 00:28:20,983
the fact that you own your identity with this private key

500
00:28:20,983 --> 00:28:23,403
that nobody can take or speak for you.

501
00:28:24,103 --> 00:28:26,043
And I think, again, the aliens would laugh at us

502
00:28:26,043 --> 00:28:28,283
saying that they've seen us around Mars,

503
00:28:28,803 --> 00:28:32,803
but none of the humans on Earth wanted to take responsibility

504
00:28:32,803 --> 00:28:34,563
and take care of a private key

505
00:28:34,563 --> 00:28:38,163
in order to transmit information in a better way.

506
00:28:38,163 --> 00:28:43,063
but we're early so you know we got to build the tool i hope brent pella is out there he just gave

507
00:28:43,063 --> 00:28:49,803
you some content for a new alien video he likes making those alien comedy skits so question for

508
00:28:49,803 --> 00:28:56,223
johnny now so the type of content you make is algorithm friendly you've gotten really good at

509
00:28:56,223 --> 00:29:02,423
making this content that is eye-catching for people you're not like pushing any boundaries

510
00:29:02,423 --> 00:29:06,383
that would you know piss people off and get you banned and censored at least for now maybe we'll

511
00:29:06,383 --> 00:29:15,163
radicalize you. But, but so you're, what do you think it'll take to get those people that are

512
00:29:15,163 --> 00:29:21,123
doing that, who are just creating the, the content that isn't really pushing the edges,

513
00:29:21,123 --> 00:29:26,143
just risking getting kicked off of these platforms? Do you think it will just be

514
00:29:26,143 --> 00:29:30,903
showing them that they can get paid? Because we're always looking at different ways to

515
00:29:30,903 --> 00:29:35,423
connect with different people and why not should it be good for them? How would you pitch it to them?

516
00:29:36,383 --> 00:29:42,123
I mean, for me the biggest thing on Oster is probably that you can post whatever you want at the end of the day.

517
00:29:42,603 --> 00:29:48,143
Nobody is telling you what opinion you have to have and what you have to say.

518
00:29:48,983 --> 00:29:52,623
So I think that's a big thing.

519
00:29:52,763 --> 00:29:56,543
At the end of the day, each and every one of us has like a voice on the internet, right?

520
00:29:56,963 --> 00:30:05,963
And if there's like one person as a CEO who can just mute you basically, just eradicate you in a way, that's not a good thing.

521
00:30:06,383 --> 00:30:13,843
Not at all. And I think many people will come to realize this truth and come to a platform like Nostra.

522
00:30:13,843 --> 00:30:20,243
And I think the biggest thing is also that the amount of followers you have will always stay with you.

523
00:30:21,423 --> 00:30:29,463
So, for example, I started Instagram, right? And now I want to start YouTube, but I will start from zero, from zero followers.

524
00:30:29,463 --> 00:30:36,143
and on Nostra once you gain followers they will always stick to your name and I think that's a

525
00:30:36,143 --> 00:30:42,703
good thing so the the earlier you get started the better it is for you and he sees it right yeah

526
00:30:42,703 --> 00:30:49,443
that's that's a big thing and also yeah I think at the end of the day or in the future

527
00:30:49,443 --> 00:30:55,143
it will shift towards Nostra so the earlier you start the better yeah the better for you

528
00:30:55,143 --> 00:31:25,123
Simple as that.

529
00:31:25,143 --> 00:31:29,643
followers and you move you can move around different apps and they stick with you versus

530
00:31:29,643 --> 00:31:33,723
the centralized model where if you're on instagram and you want to make a youtube channel you have to

531
00:31:33,723 --> 00:31:37,643
go make a post that hey everyone go follow me over here and you start from zero and you have to work

532
00:31:37,643 --> 00:31:41,803
to build that following and oh i'm on pinterest now you gotta follow me over there you gotta follow

533
00:31:41,803 --> 00:31:47,363
me on facebook and it's just like people are so used to this as being the standard but it's really

534
00:31:47,363 --> 00:31:53,143
dumb when you think about it and nostril just shifting it to where you have your social graph

535
00:31:53,143 --> 00:31:58,943
just connected to your account and or your your npub if we're being technical right or your nsec

536
00:31:58,943 --> 00:32:05,163
whatever you the private key your your keys are connected so you have this entire ecosystem of apps

537
00:32:05,163 --> 00:32:09,823
which is continuing to grow all the time so all the people that are looking for an instagram like

538
00:32:09,823 --> 00:32:16,303
experience um i know pablo's building uh olas which is like the instagram nostril client and

539
00:32:16,303 --> 00:32:19,883
primal is like the twitter but you can also make it like the instagram client because it's

540
00:32:19,883 --> 00:32:27,563
You can customize it so much and there will eventually be like LinkedIn clone clients and Facebook clone and Pinterest type of clients.

541
00:32:27,783 --> 00:32:38,183
And so you'll basically have all the apps that you have right now, but you're going to have the followers across all of them and the value for value zapping ability on all of them.

542
00:32:38,283 --> 00:32:40,943
So you can always earn for your value.

543
00:32:41,703 --> 00:32:42,683
Have you zapped today?

544
00:32:43,923 --> 00:32:45,843
Absolutely. Have you? I'm going to check you on that.

545
00:32:46,403 --> 00:32:46,923
Check me.

546
00:32:46,923 --> 00:32:59,663
And so I want to transition that to this idea of lots of creativity is being unlocked here for these different clients in the Nostra ecosystem where you can, any developer can create a new type of client.

547
00:32:59,743 --> 00:33:02,583
So we're going to see things unlike we've ever seen before.

548
00:33:02,583 --> 00:33:09,243
We're like, I was just mentioning how, you know, you'll see the ones that you know and love in the Nostraverse, but there's also going to be brand new kinds.

549
00:33:09,343 --> 00:33:14,663
I'm curious, Sean, because you have an app right now that's like a exercise, like fitness app.

550
00:33:14,663 --> 00:33:17,763
and I'm sure there will be fitness type clients in the future.

551
00:33:18,263 --> 00:33:21,283
So how do you see that as you learn more about how Nostra works?

552
00:33:21,583 --> 00:33:24,923
And, you know, could you ever see Upspace becoming like a Nostra client

553
00:33:24,923 --> 00:33:26,843
if it was to plug into that ecosystem?

554
00:33:28,523 --> 00:33:31,783
I've been brainstorming ways in order to implement that,

555
00:33:31,883 --> 00:33:32,923
talking to Paul a lot.

556
00:33:33,583 --> 00:33:38,363
We are trying to solve a different problem of like just health.

557
00:33:38,843 --> 00:33:43,403
So just like, you know, Airbnb is not trying to solve the free speech problem.

558
00:33:43,403 --> 00:33:49,723
they're trying to solve like hey how do you get dope rentals so it's a different like problem set

559
00:33:49,723 --> 00:33:54,623
but it is related at the same time like health is important for the abuse free speech um and we saw

560
00:33:54,623 --> 00:33:59,383
that especially during covid so that's how i actually got into this arena so it's definitely

561
00:33:59,383 --> 00:34:06,563
piqued my interest from uh for us it's trying to see like how can we build a business where we can

562
00:34:06,563 --> 00:34:12,463
pour resources into it and sustain ourselves but also bring it into the nostril environment which

563
00:34:12,463 --> 00:34:17,223
is tricky one because right now we charge a subscription for access to everything so i got

564
00:34:17,223 --> 00:34:21,743
to figure out how to kind of have that business model that sustains us where we don't have to have

565
00:34:21,743 --> 00:34:27,503
ads which create the wrong incentive for us and bring it in i'm starting to have some ideas where

566
00:34:27,503 --> 00:34:32,963
it could actually be a net win for us and them like even having auth where nostril users can sign

567
00:34:32,963 --> 00:34:40,223
in through upspace those followers carry out and then as they interact in the upspace platform that

568
00:34:40,223 --> 00:34:42,463
that gets shared throughout the Noster ecosystem.

569
00:34:42,463 --> 00:34:45,503
And maybe there's some stuff that is still closed

570
00:34:45,503 --> 00:34:59,154
or behind that paywall which would be in a different either relay or just in our own servers But then there is the interactions with that stuff and the engagement with that that can also live on the Noster channel So it kind of bridges the two worlds together

571
00:34:59,354 --> 00:35:00,054
something like that.

572
00:35:00,574 --> 00:35:02,274
And these are just ways I've been brainstorming,

573
00:35:02,334 --> 00:35:02,794
but I don't know.

574
00:35:02,894 --> 00:35:04,214
It's definitely interesting

575
00:35:04,214 --> 00:35:05,794
because I'm passionate about both subjects

576
00:35:05,794 --> 00:35:06,334
and they're related.

577
00:35:07,334 --> 00:35:10,034
And you mentioned how like your monetization model

578
00:35:10,034 --> 00:35:11,594
is subscription-based right now.

579
00:35:11,594 --> 00:35:14,854
And there's all sorts of monetization models.

580
00:35:15,254 --> 00:35:16,394
Another one is just ads.

581
00:35:16,394 --> 00:35:20,014
A lot of platforms just have ads and it's ad based.

582
00:35:22,454 --> 00:35:25,894
People are like creators out there, like we were talking about Johnny earlier, and you

583
00:35:25,894 --> 00:35:29,854
have to go out yourself and find ways to monetize through sponsorships and partnerships.

584
00:35:30,694 --> 00:35:37,094
But I think that just having the value for value stream unlocked is a good way to just

585
00:35:37,094 --> 00:35:41,454
have a baseline of some income from people who care about you and can kind of float you.

586
00:35:42,014 --> 00:35:45,994
Eventually, I think we would agree that we see that being substantial to where it could

587
00:35:45,994 --> 00:35:52,394
be your entire monetization income as a creator. But in the, in the meantime, in the early days,

588
00:35:52,394 --> 00:35:58,894
like right now, it's, it's a good dot connector, you know, because like for my podcast, I'm,

589
00:35:59,054 --> 00:36:03,634
I've made like personal sacrifices on like, you know, opportunities to make partnerships and

590
00:36:03,634 --> 00:36:08,114
sponsorships I haven't done because I really want to focus on just creating tons and tons of episodes

591
00:36:08,114 --> 00:36:12,514
of content to really get the value for value flow moving. And I think I've had like, you know,

592
00:36:12,514 --> 00:36:19,254
probably nine out of 10 episodes get some zaps through fountain and on Nostra as well when I post

593
00:36:19,254 --> 00:36:24,914
it. So it's, it's exciting seeing it start to buzz. Yeah. I'm not, I mean, who knows what will happen

594
00:36:24,914 --> 00:36:28,014
in the future? I don't know if I'll be able to do this forever because I do need to make money,

595
00:36:28,014 --> 00:36:34,194
but it's, it's really cool to see that. And it is tempting to just completely go all in on this,

596
00:36:34,194 --> 00:36:38,954
even if you have to live on a poverty line for a while and just like see those, because that is

597
00:36:38,954 --> 00:36:44,334
the dream where you just have your network of people, your followers on Noster and your podcast

598
00:36:44,334 --> 00:36:51,194
subscribers or followers wherever and be able to completely monetize directly from those people.

599
00:36:52,194 --> 00:36:56,514
And I'm just super excited about all the different... And we haven't even talked about how

600
00:36:56,514 --> 00:37:00,014
the fact that there are all these different clients out there that are going to be competing

601
00:37:00,014 --> 00:37:05,174
for people's attention and offering interesting new ways for people to monetize as well that

602
00:37:05,174 --> 00:37:07,314
could completely change everything at some point.

603
00:37:07,634 --> 00:37:10,514
And having that free market competition is interesting.

604
00:37:10,614 --> 00:37:11,954
And this is a good question for you, Paul,

605
00:37:12,034 --> 00:37:14,214
which is, you know, you work with Primal.

606
00:37:14,354 --> 00:37:16,274
We're all huge Primal fans here,

607
00:37:16,274 --> 00:37:18,994
but you're also not like trying to hide people

608
00:37:18,994 --> 00:37:20,854
from seeing that there's a whole ecosystem

609
00:37:20,854 --> 00:37:21,994
of other clients out here.

610
00:37:22,474 --> 00:37:24,534
So how do you think having that free market

611
00:37:24,534 --> 00:37:28,594
of different options changes the social media game

612
00:37:28,594 --> 00:37:30,454
and how it works for people using it?

613
00:37:31,154 --> 00:37:33,174
You make Nostra better, Primal wins.

614
00:37:33,834 --> 00:37:34,134
Yep.

615
00:37:34,134 --> 00:37:40,454
you make bitcoin better bitcoin wins it's similar to bitcoin in that if somebody brings a lot of

616
00:37:40,454 --> 00:37:45,274
users well bitcoin's a little bit different because there's a monetary piece to it if you

617
00:37:45,274 --> 00:37:48,314
improve bitcoin and make it more accessible for more people the more people are going to hold it

618
00:37:48,314 --> 00:37:54,974
the price goes up there's no shit coin on nostr but the users like if you get more users to this

619
00:37:54,974 --> 00:38:01,794
ecosystem that's an automatic like potential user for your app so say like a crazy flappy bird app

620
00:38:01,794 --> 00:38:03,254
that's somehow built on Nostra.

621
00:38:03,354 --> 00:38:05,674
It goes super viral, and all these endpubs are created.

622
00:38:06,554 --> 00:38:09,714
And next thing you know, Primal could get some of those users.

623
00:38:10,314 --> 00:38:11,674
They find Primal, and they find it's like,

624
00:38:11,734 --> 00:38:14,654
oh, this is a great place where I could post and share,

625
00:38:14,754 --> 00:38:16,634
and I like to zap, blah, blah, blah, win.

626
00:38:17,374 --> 00:38:22,574
So it's pretty cool how anything can build it up.

627
00:38:22,914 --> 00:38:25,834
So we just want to scale Nostra because we think it's a great idea.

628
00:38:25,854 --> 00:38:27,514
It's all about just bringing people in right now, basically.

629
00:38:28,094 --> 00:38:29,074
And everybody wins.

630
00:38:29,634 --> 00:38:30,694
Same as Bitcoin, kind of.

631
00:38:30,694 --> 00:38:36,374
I feel like Bitcoin has a similar, or Bitcoiners are talking about how we just need to get people off zero,

632
00:38:36,994 --> 00:38:42,154
get people in the game, bridge them in, and Noster is sort of the same, like early days for both.

633
00:38:42,554 --> 00:38:47,194
Yeah, and I guess I think, I wasn't sold on this before, but I'm pretty damn sold on it now.

634
00:38:47,434 --> 00:38:51,734
So many friends watching this, like Giles said earlier, how he's now accepting Bitcoin for payment.

635
00:38:51,914 --> 00:38:59,814
I think Noster is the tool to get people off of zero and to get us to a real Bitcoin standard.

636
00:38:59,814 --> 00:39:04,894
this whole social layer that we're building is 100% necessary for the Bitcoin standard if we want to

637
00:39:04,894 --> 00:39:10,594
live that censorship resistant comms and social media like come on and throw a lightning address

638
00:39:10,594 --> 00:39:14,694
in there their wallets in there it's like all part of the infrastructure that if we really want to

639
00:39:14,694 --> 00:39:20,854
go to a hyper Bitcoinized world we actually need this and that's the other thing like Patreon and

640
00:39:20,854 --> 00:39:27,594
OnlyFans and all this stuff exists and they don't use Bitcoin because it wasn't easy at that time

641
00:39:27,594 --> 00:39:32,974
and not everybody's on the bitcoin standard obviously like very very small amount of people

642
00:39:32,974 --> 00:39:41,854
are but as fiat continues to die and bitcoin continues to rise the reasons to be bullish are

643
00:39:41,854 --> 00:39:50,234
just endless so as more people are going to be willing to actually spend and use the best money

644
00:39:50,234 --> 00:39:57,194
we'll probably see creators be able to thrive and grow and actually make livings off nostril

645
00:39:57,194 --> 00:39:58,954
and yeah, for value, for value.

646
00:39:59,954 --> 00:40:02,374
So one of the things that us in the Nosterverse

647
00:40:02,374 --> 00:40:04,994
always talk about is how the purple pill

648
00:40:04,994 --> 00:40:07,874
is a great chaser or a starter

649
00:40:07,874 --> 00:40:10,434
to get people into the orange pill of Bitcoin.

650
00:40:10,774 --> 00:40:12,074
Yeah, precursor, that's what I was going for.

651
00:40:13,354 --> 00:40:16,374
And I'm curious for Giles and Johnny

652
00:40:16,374 --> 00:40:18,974
because were you guys into Bitcoin before

653
00:40:18,974 --> 00:40:21,554
or is Noster sort of your intro to all of this?

654
00:40:22,114 --> 00:40:23,434
Because I'm curious like how,

655
00:40:23,854 --> 00:40:25,054
as you got more into Noster,

656
00:40:25,234 --> 00:40:26,754
like how your views of Bitcoin

657
00:40:26,754 --> 00:40:32,754
have emerged from that if that's how it started yeah i was somewhat into bitcoin but getting on

658
00:40:32,754 --> 00:40:41,514
primal and also living in the primal house is like full throttle like yeah i've gone down the rabbit

659
00:40:41,514 --> 00:40:49,614
hole um and like yeah i'm pretty converted at this point because of primal um yeah i don't know

660
00:40:49,614 --> 00:40:56,154
about you johnny yeah well i heard of bitcoin before and i looked into it a little bit but

661
00:40:56,154 --> 00:41:03,034
on not on a deeper level like we do now and in costa rica you can actually use bitcoin all

662
00:41:03,034 --> 00:41:10,154
everywhere basically so it's actually very usable in the daily life in germany that was i mean yeah

663
00:41:10,154 --> 00:41:19,354
some places maybe but not as much unfortunately yeah the primal house helped me to see things more

664
00:41:19,354 --> 00:41:27,014
more clearly and also I got to know more about the origin of money and how everything evolved

665
00:41:27,014 --> 00:41:32,534
to what we have now and I encourage everybody to look into this what is money and where does

666
00:41:32,534 --> 00:41:39,794
it come from because that's really crucial that's the question yeah and it's it's so crucial and

667
00:41:39,794 --> 00:41:44,054
Paul you you went on speaking of what is money you went on Robert Breedlove's podcast a couple

668
00:41:44,054 --> 00:41:49,194
weeks ago he has a what is money show you know this is such a big question that's coming out

669
00:41:49,194 --> 00:41:51,154
and people are starting to ask this.

670
00:41:51,994 --> 00:41:54,154
I'm curious of what is your answer to that, Paul?

671
00:41:54,234 --> 00:41:55,834
Because you've been in the Bitcoin world for a while.

672
00:41:55,914 --> 00:41:57,914
What is your answer to the what is money question?

673
00:42:03,074 --> 00:42:04,714
I know Robert must have asked you that.

674
00:42:05,054 --> 00:42:06,114
No, I don't think he asked me.

675
00:42:06,114 --> 00:42:06,834
Did he not ask you?

676
00:42:06,894 --> 00:42:07,954
I think I dropped the question.

677
00:42:07,954 --> 00:42:08,514
You dropped the ball.

678
00:42:08,694 --> 00:42:09,494
That's his whole thing.

679
00:42:09,794 --> 00:42:11,254
You know, I just love the quote.

680
00:42:11,354 --> 00:42:13,454
This one just like hit me super deep, you know,

681
00:42:13,894 --> 00:42:17,054
like why work for money that another man can print for free?

682
00:42:17,654 --> 00:42:19,074
And it's deeply internalized that.

683
00:42:19,074 --> 00:42:24,254
you realize that fiat's not money gold's pretty good money and bitcoin's way better than gold

684
00:42:24,254 --> 00:42:31,914
yeah i like that too because just the why would you work for a money that another man can print

685
00:42:31,914 --> 00:42:39,614
is a powerful view because i think that so many people out there don't understand how hard they're

686
00:42:39,614 --> 00:42:45,434
getting screwed and bitcoin is one way that they can start learning about that more yeah i just

687
00:42:45,434 --> 00:42:49,594
read a story did you read the story there's this lady that's just been a housekeeper in the in

688
00:42:49,594 --> 00:42:57,214
florida and she's been stacking sats and um for like seven or eight years now just working at a

689
00:42:57,214 --> 00:43:04,374
hotel washing you know the rooms she's almost at a whole coin now wow amazing that's all bitcoin

690
00:43:04,374 --> 00:43:09,934
is to me is just this way to save money over time like it actually kind of makes me angry

691
00:43:09,934 --> 00:43:15,114
i don't know like the fact that people don't just save in bitcoin especially like around here and

692
00:43:15,114 --> 00:43:20,994
you know, poor countries like the people just started saving little by little in Bitcoin. Yeah, we got to make tools that are trustworthy

693
00:43:21,834 --> 00:43:24,834
custodial of our self custodial debate. That's out the window. But just

694
00:43:25,254 --> 00:43:27,754
If you save in Bitcoin over time, you're gonna get more wealthy

695
00:43:28,254 --> 00:43:30,994
And that's it and that's the promise of Bitcoin. That's what makes good money

696
00:43:33,654 --> 00:43:37,454
Right the people complain that eggs and everything else is getting more expensive

697
00:43:38,094 --> 00:43:44,074
But if you buy it in Bitcoin everything is less expensive over time. That's the best thing about it, right?

698
00:43:45,114 --> 00:43:53,494
And I'm looking over here at Romar and Camila having their steak.

699
00:43:53,874 --> 00:43:55,014
Happy birthday.

700
00:43:55,234 --> 00:43:56,694
Happy birthday, Romar.

701
00:43:57,694 --> 00:43:59,894
We're talking about money right now.

702
00:43:59,974 --> 00:44:06,094
I'm curious if either of you want to talk about Argentina, the money in Argentina,

703
00:44:06,354 --> 00:44:12,274
because have you followed how the inflation situation was over there, the hyperinflation?

704
00:44:12,274 --> 00:44:19,274
and would you like to like share your thoughts on how bitcoin is changing that crazy situation

705
00:44:19,274 --> 00:44:24,634
all right we're coming over can you just move that we're gonna make this like a moving show

706
00:44:24,634 --> 00:44:31,954
yeah show the steak yeah it's burning right now look at this beautiful steak

707
00:44:31,954 --> 00:44:36,734
tomahawk action

708
00:44:36,734 --> 00:44:40,874
that's a birthday girl

709
00:44:40,874 --> 00:44:42,894
get the mic right next to the sizzle

710
00:44:42,894 --> 00:44:45,834
so

711
00:44:45,834 --> 00:44:47,974
so Romar you are

712
00:44:47,974 --> 00:44:50,754
the sister of Mikael I need to bring Mikael

713
00:44:50,754 --> 00:44:52,754
on the show he wrote an awesome book about all this stuff

714
00:44:52,754 --> 00:44:53,714
which we have here Mikael

715
00:44:53,714 --> 00:44:56,914
tell me about just your view

716
00:44:56,914 --> 00:44:58,634
of money growing up in Argentina

717
00:44:58,634 --> 00:45:01,014
because did you see the hyperinflation

718
00:45:01,014 --> 00:45:02,214
going on growing up there

719
00:45:02,214 --> 00:45:03,574
did this affect your life

720
00:45:03,574 --> 00:45:04,494
yes of course

721
00:45:04,494 --> 00:45:20,694
Okay, right now we are living in a moment that the dollar is stopped, it's not growing up the price, but the things, the life, every day is expensive.

722
00:45:20,694 --> 00:45:21,534
Sorry.

723
00:45:21,534 --> 00:45:22,354
Okay.

724
00:45:22,354 --> 00:45:23,194
Okay.

725
00:45:23,194 --> 00:45:34,774
Four years ago, approximately, the dollar was in 300 pesos four years ago.

726
00:45:34,774 --> 00:45:42,014
Right now, it's 1,100, yeah?

727
00:45:42,014 --> 00:45:47,314
And change every day a little bit, more, less.

728
00:45:47,314 --> 00:45:54,314
Right now, we accept exchange with the central bank.

729
00:45:54,314 --> 00:45:56,794
Right now, it's $1, because in the past,

730
00:45:56,794 --> 00:45:59,134
we have $1 for everything.

731
00:45:59,134 --> 00:46:04,994
$1 for import products, $1 for the meat, $1 for the Zoya,

732
00:46:04,994 --> 00:46:08,014
for the different things we sell.

733
00:46:08,014 --> 00:46:09,814
And other ones to import.

734
00:46:09,814 --> 00:46:12,994
So right now, we have $1.

735
00:46:12,994 --> 00:46:22,554
For one hand, it's beautiful because it's supposed to start to be one line.

736
00:46:22,554 --> 00:46:28,594
But the things will be more expensive because in the past we have a dollar for import things,

737
00:46:28,594 --> 00:46:30,734
very cheap, than the other one.

738
00:46:30,766 --> 00:46:37,566
want to buy dollars okay and another thing happens is we go out the sepo

739
00:46:38,606 --> 00:46:44,366
the sepo is that you can't buy dollars in argentina yeah it's like illegal right you have

740
00:46:44,366 --> 00:46:49,246
to go in this black market weird underground thing to get like stacks of dollars exactly so

741
00:46:49,246 --> 00:46:55,886
right now we have ability to buy dollars that helps of course but start something strange in

742
00:46:55,886 --> 00:47:01,886
the people too because the people used to have scared about what will happen all the time because

743
00:47:01,886 --> 00:47:10,526
we don't know in argentina it's like a montaña rusa all the time so right now the people is like

744
00:47:10,526 --> 00:47:20,446
okay waiting but for the last duda expecting i will increase my the price of my products right and so

745
00:47:20,446 --> 00:47:25,746
So this changed the rules all the time.

746
00:47:26,146 --> 00:47:28,446
The prices continue growing up.

747
00:47:29,166 --> 00:47:30,966
Argentina right now is very expensive.

748
00:47:31,766 --> 00:47:33,006
So it's like Costa Rica.

749
00:47:33,506 --> 00:47:36,546
Costa Rica for you Americans are expensive, right?

750
00:47:36,606 --> 00:47:39,986
When you want to buy food, clothes.

751
00:47:40,546 --> 00:47:43,486
But I can't see a big difference.

752
00:47:43,486 --> 00:47:47,966
Because in two years, our country changed a lot.

753
00:47:48,286 --> 00:47:49,586
In the past, the tourists came.

754
00:47:49,586 --> 00:47:53,366
I want to travel everywhere right now.

755
00:47:53,366 --> 00:47:57,286
And now, for example, oil is the same as the United States.

756
00:47:57,606 --> 00:47:59,426
And before it was like the half.

757
00:48:00,066 --> 00:48:01,926
So like it was really cheap.

758
00:48:02,026 --> 00:48:07,106
It was like fake money, you know, like they retain all the things.

759
00:48:07,226 --> 00:48:09,026
So now it's like they exploded.

760
00:48:09,286 --> 00:48:13,666
That's why like now inflation is in the middle, like staying by.

761
00:48:14,186 --> 00:48:15,986
But we live in expectations.

762
00:48:16,126 --> 00:48:16,886
It's stabilized.

763
00:48:17,646 --> 00:48:18,826
Stabilized, yes, we think.

764
00:48:18,826 --> 00:48:21,186
in Bitcoin knows that like stabilizing

765
00:48:21,186 --> 00:48:23,326
fiat is usually just suppressing

766
00:48:23,326 --> 00:48:25,446
something else. It's inherently

767
00:48:25,446 --> 00:48:27,446
unstable. They're just like papering

768
00:48:27,446 --> 00:48:28,626
over it with politics.

769
00:48:29,186 --> 00:48:29,466
True.

770
00:48:29,666 --> 00:48:32,826
I think that is done, but we don't know.

771
00:48:32,826 --> 00:48:34,486
It's expensive than Argentina, of course.

772
00:48:34,906 --> 00:48:35,986
Before it wasn't.

773
00:48:36,546 --> 00:48:38,346
Oh, okay. Tell me you. Before what?

774
00:48:38,426 --> 00:48:39,506
No, I don't know. I never was there.

775
00:48:39,986 --> 00:48:40,826
The mid, wait.

776
00:48:41,826 --> 00:48:43,006
Yes, for example.

777
00:48:43,466 --> 00:48:45,546
You know like construction people?

778
00:48:45,966 --> 00:48:47,206
They always, there's a

779
00:48:47,206 --> 00:48:52,966
tradition on Fridays they do barbecue and for example now that things are more

780
00:48:52,966 --> 00:48:57,706
expensive they have like to buy other things and they could reach that part so

781
00:48:57,706 --> 00:49:05,126
because meat has elevated a lot yeah yes but like everything it's not only the

782
00:49:05,126 --> 00:49:11,326
meat like this one thing more it's mostly meat oil Argentina is mostly meat

783
00:49:11,326 --> 00:49:13,886
For example, yeah, I love a warm mint.

784
00:49:13,886 --> 00:49:16,166
We care about meat, right?

785
00:49:16,166 --> 00:49:17,326
No, it's true.

786
00:49:17,326 --> 00:49:19,726
And so what do you think is in store for the future?

787
00:49:19,726 --> 00:49:22,846
Like, do you, because you've been following Bitcoin for a while.

788
00:49:23,506 --> 00:49:25,006
How long have you been following Bitcoin? Years?

789
00:49:26,206 --> 00:49:27,566
2020.

790
00:49:27,566 --> 00:49:30,006
So like five years of Bitcoin following.

791
00:49:30,006 --> 00:49:30,586
Yeah.

792
00:49:30,586 --> 00:49:32,686
What do you think is in store for the future of Argentina?

793
00:49:32,686 --> 00:49:37,746
Because the people there have this history of seeing what hyperinflation does

794
00:49:38,046 --> 00:49:40,326
and all that uncertainty around it.

795
00:49:40,326 --> 00:49:43,846
you mentioned that people are like scared because they don't know what's going to happen

796
00:49:43,846 --> 00:49:49,286
they're unable to plan for the future and the bitcoin world knows that that this is a solution

797
00:49:49,286 --> 00:49:53,686
bitcoin will fix this so do you think they will bring bitcoin in or is the government going to

798
00:49:53,686 --> 00:49:58,006
fight it like how do you or will the people just start using and say the government what are they

799
00:49:58,006 --> 00:50:03,126
going to do so i'm seeing something that is not only for argentina it's for a lot of countries

800
00:50:03,126 --> 00:50:09,526
that the president starts abounding like oh this cryptocurrency you see buy this and the people

801
00:50:09,526 --> 00:50:18,166
maybe buy and then in every paper in every news you see that oh the president um i love this crypto

802
00:50:18,166 --> 00:50:23,766
and go down so no crypto bitcoin is the same they don't understand that bitcoin is different

803
00:50:23,766 --> 00:50:33,846
another thing in their in their health is the same so we need to start making big movement to

804
00:50:33,846 --> 00:50:44,246
to open the eyes of the people because I feel that day a day is more confused.

805
00:50:44,246 --> 00:50:47,286
You have more disinformation than real information.

806
00:50:47,286 --> 00:50:48,886
It's not only in Argentina, it's everywhere.

807
00:50:48,886 --> 00:50:56,086
You see the president, say the same, Trump, Millet, with Libra, right?

808
00:50:56,086 --> 00:50:57,086
If you know.

809
00:50:57,086 --> 00:51:01,346
I was living in Buenos Aires when he did his whole shitcoin thing.

810
00:51:01,346 --> 00:51:03,086
And it was so disappointing because.

811
00:51:03,086 --> 00:51:04,206
We thought there was hope.

812
00:51:04,206 --> 00:51:06,566
We, a lot of Bitcoiners thought there was hope there,

813
00:51:06,566 --> 00:51:08,266
but he totally went shitcoin route.

814
00:51:08,266 --> 00:51:10,946
So I don't know what he's still doing now, but I mean,

815
00:51:10,946 --> 00:51:14,386
I still consider it a net positive that, you know,

816
00:51:14,386 --> 00:51:16,646
there's just crazy people that are saying things outside

817
00:51:16,646 --> 00:51:18,186
of the Overton window that we talk about.

818
00:51:18,186 --> 00:51:20,186
Like they're bringing crazy new ideas,

819
00:51:20,186 --> 00:51:23,166
more libertarian concepts, and it's getting more people

820
00:51:23,166 --> 00:51:24,266
to look at things like Bitcoin.

821
00:51:24,266 --> 00:51:26,526
Did you, did you find that more people were starting

822
00:51:26,526 --> 00:51:29,246
to talk about Bitcoin and learn about it?

823
00:51:29,246 --> 00:51:35,466
the Uber rider, for example, the people who are Uber

824
00:51:35,466 --> 00:51:39,686
are more from Venezuela and other countries.

825
00:51:39,686 --> 00:51:44,366
And I can talk with them like equals.

826
00:51:44,366 --> 00:51:46,026
OK, they understand.

827
00:51:46,026 --> 00:51:49,226
But it's the same that the persons who

828
00:51:49,226 --> 00:51:54,626
need something outside their own country

829
00:51:54,626 --> 00:51:59,066
and learn about it and start investing in that,

830
00:51:59,066 --> 00:52:11,946
not more like um savings right like um yeah savings so i'm hope of course that this will

831
00:52:12,586 --> 00:52:21,706
um start to the thing is this one in argentina the more normal things to buy dollar cash

832
00:52:21,706 --> 00:52:28,706
Argentina, I think it's the second country in the world that have more dollars in cash.

833
00:52:28,706 --> 00:52:30,706
Because the people save that.

834
00:52:30,706 --> 00:52:33,706
More dollars than the local currency of pesos, you mean?

835
00:52:33,706 --> 00:52:34,706
Exactly.

836
00:52:34,706 --> 00:52:36,706
Oh, like total.

837
00:52:36,706 --> 00:52:38,706
Oh, mostly save in paper.

838
00:52:38,706 --> 00:52:39,706
In cash, exactly.

839
00:52:39,706 --> 00:52:40,706
Oh, like in paper, okay.

840
00:52:40,706 --> 00:52:41,706
In paper.

841
00:52:41,706 --> 00:52:42,706
Yeah.

842
00:52:42,706 --> 00:52:43,706
Exactly, that.

843
00:52:43,706 --> 00:52:45,706
Like the classic under the mattress savings.

844
00:52:45,706 --> 00:52:46,706
Of course.

845
00:52:46,706 --> 00:52:47,706
Wow.

846
00:52:47,706 --> 00:52:54,346
So imagine now that they can buy dollars is something that people is doing right now, buying dollars.

847
00:52:58,346 --> 00:53:07,866
When they start seeing that the dollar is losing value, when they understand, really understand that,

848
00:53:08,386 --> 00:53:11,966
maybe they start seeing Bitcoin.

849
00:53:11,966 --> 00:53:18,966
But right now they have a cloud here with dollars and dollars because it's the only thing they really know.

850
00:53:18,966 --> 00:53:21,966
I think that new generations are going to do that.

851
00:53:21,966 --> 00:53:22,966
Yeah, of course.

852
00:53:22,966 --> 00:53:25,966
That new generations are going to do that.

853
00:53:25,966 --> 00:53:30,966
Our parents are like, no, that is impossible to be saved. It's fake money.

854
00:53:30,966 --> 00:53:37,966
You will lose it. So it's like you don't have education in Argentina in general.

855
00:53:37,966 --> 00:53:38,966
In general.

856
00:53:38,966 --> 00:53:41,966
Their child is open to the eyes of them.

857
00:53:41,966 --> 00:53:43,966
The young generation is more open.

858
00:53:43,966 --> 00:53:44,966
It's more open.

859
00:53:44,966 --> 00:53:47,966
We can see that in all types of things.

860
00:53:47,966 --> 00:53:50,966
Money, education, the mind, I don't know.

861
00:53:50,966 --> 00:53:52,966
But it's in general, right?

862
00:53:52,966 --> 00:54:07,301
It everywhere Like technological solutions are not scary to young people like they are to the adults And I feel like they kind of just still shell from going through those negative experiences with money So they just trying to like latch on to something that has some ability to stay stable

863
00:54:07,441 --> 00:54:10,561
which to them, the dollar is more stable than the peso.

864
00:54:11,241 --> 00:54:13,081
So they're like, this is it.

865
00:54:13,201 --> 00:54:14,341
We have to stick to this.

866
00:54:14,401 --> 00:54:19,301
But those of us in Bitcoin know that the dollar is just the slowest sinking fiat ship.

867
00:54:19,301 --> 00:54:20,581
Of course, they are always cool.

868
00:54:20,721 --> 00:54:21,661
Like, I need to see it.

869
00:54:21,681 --> 00:54:22,601
I need to touch it.

870
00:54:23,041 --> 00:54:27,601
And I also thought about the dollar, it's also connected by the United States.

871
00:54:27,801 --> 00:54:32,841
Like, we see it like, oh, United States is the best, so that's why.

872
00:54:32,841 --> 00:54:33,241
It's Hollywood.

873
00:54:33,601 --> 00:54:34,741
We're the best.

874
00:54:35,161 --> 00:54:35,321
Yeah.

875
00:54:35,481 --> 00:54:36,761
I had to make sure I got this.

876
00:54:37,021 --> 00:54:41,521
No, yeah, but that's why, like, Argentina all think that,

877
00:54:41,661 --> 00:54:45,921
so that's why they say we have to save in dollars and not in other things.

878
00:54:46,281 --> 00:54:47,541
Like, pesos is a disaster.

879
00:54:47,801 --> 00:54:51,441
It's a paper that doesn't get nothing, but we have to save in dollars.

880
00:54:51,601 --> 00:54:52,381
It's better than pesos.

881
00:54:53,041 --> 00:54:54,661
I think that is also just for that.

882
00:54:54,681 --> 00:54:57,881
Do you think that this trust in the U.S. is going to stay there?

883
00:54:57,981 --> 00:54:59,141
Because we're kind of insane.

884
00:55:00,281 --> 00:55:03,081
I think that now with Millay, yes.

885
00:55:04,381 --> 00:55:05,121
For now, yes.

886
00:55:05,121 --> 00:55:05,541
For a while.

887
00:55:05,621 --> 00:55:06,561
Yes, for now, yes.

888
00:55:06,601 --> 00:55:08,241
Because him and Trump are homies.

889
00:55:08,481 --> 00:55:09,561
Yeah, they are like friends.

890
00:55:09,821 --> 00:55:10,221
Friendship.

891
00:55:12,121 --> 00:55:15,041
Hopefully, like, do you think that the people feel the same way, though?

892
00:55:15,081 --> 00:55:16,481
Or is that just like a political thing?

893
00:55:16,481 --> 00:55:20,641
Because all around the world, people are becoming less trusting of politicians in general.

894
00:55:20,641 --> 00:55:24,521
So do you think that people are not really just trusting because Malay is?

895
00:55:24,941 --> 00:55:26,021
Are they breaking free?

896
00:55:26,161 --> 00:55:27,501
No, I don't think so.

897
00:55:27,501 --> 00:55:27,801
Are they still trusting of authority?

898
00:55:27,901 --> 00:55:30,661
Because I think that it was hard to get Malay there.

899
00:55:31,321 --> 00:55:33,901
We have like Peronismo in Argentina.

900
00:55:34,621 --> 00:55:37,741
And a lot of people like tend to that way.

901
00:55:37,981 --> 00:55:39,901
So that people hate United States.

902
00:55:40,021 --> 00:55:41,661
So I don't think that will happen.

903
00:55:41,941 --> 00:55:42,261
Interesting.

904
00:55:42,681 --> 00:55:42,861
Yeah.

905
00:55:43,441 --> 00:55:46,061
Like we have a lot of Peronismos in Argentina.

906
00:55:46,221 --> 00:55:46,841
What's Peronismo?

907
00:55:46,841 --> 00:55:49,861
It's like a rama.

908
00:55:50,021 --> 00:55:50,861
How do you say a rama?

909
00:55:52,361 --> 00:55:53,741
Como la rama del peronismo.

910
00:55:54,601 --> 00:55:55,741
Tipo, I don't know.

911
00:55:55,981 --> 00:56:01,261
There was a president that continued like an idea.

912
00:56:01,661 --> 00:56:06,561
And there was like a long history about that idea.

913
00:56:07,121 --> 00:56:10,321
And people like get fanatic about that.

914
00:56:10,461 --> 00:56:12,401
It's not like logical thinking.

915
00:56:12,401 --> 00:56:14,541
It's not like, I love Perón.

916
00:56:14,541 --> 00:56:18,621
and they have images of that president in their fridge

917
00:56:18,621 --> 00:56:21,421
and it's like, it's not rational, I think.

918
00:56:22,141 --> 00:56:25,401
So that's why I don't think about the United States.

919
00:56:25,901 --> 00:56:26,281
I got you.

920
00:56:27,061 --> 00:56:28,301
Thank you for all that insight.

921
00:56:28,561 --> 00:56:29,541
That's what I was thinking, dude.

922
00:56:29,601 --> 00:56:33,001
We got Germany, Australia, America, Argentina.

923
00:56:33,101 --> 00:56:34,041
Let's get Italy in here.

924
00:56:34,161 --> 00:56:36,701
Let's bombard this cooking here.

925
00:56:37,781 --> 00:56:39,001
Go, go, go, go, go.

926
00:56:39,521 --> 00:56:40,661
Amore, you're famous.

927
00:56:42,621 --> 00:56:44,421
We're bringing everyone into this.

928
00:56:44,541 --> 00:56:45,361
So you are next.

929
00:56:45,721 --> 00:56:47,021
I don't care if you're making carrots.

930
00:56:49,261 --> 00:56:50,701
We're talking about Bitcoin today.

931
00:56:51,101 --> 00:56:55,441
And we've talked about, well, we could go like Nostra or Bitcoin, but I think Bitcoin is interesting.

932
00:56:56,181 --> 00:56:58,821
How do you see Bitcoin being ingrained in Italy?

933
00:56:59,001 --> 00:57:00,361
Do you see it being adopted there?

934
00:57:00,361 --> 00:57:03,221
I assume you still keep in touch with the people back home.

935
00:57:03,441 --> 00:57:04,701
Like, what are people thinking about it?

936
00:57:07,281 --> 00:57:12,441
In Italy, I think it's going to be very slow, Bitcoin adoption.

937
00:57:12,441 --> 00:57:15,121
but at the same time

938
00:57:15,121 --> 00:57:17,141
if we bring more awareness

939
00:57:17,141 --> 00:57:19,021
you know like to our places

940
00:57:19,021 --> 00:57:20,141
like Bitcoin Jungle

941
00:57:20,141 --> 00:57:22,141
we can spread the voice

942
00:57:22,141 --> 00:57:25,101
like for example my friends and my brother

943
00:57:25,101 --> 00:57:27,701
that they came here

944
00:57:27,701 --> 00:57:29,021
and they actually like experience

945
00:57:29,021 --> 00:57:30,781
you know like how is

946
00:57:30,781 --> 00:57:33,101
the life here and you can actually spend

947
00:57:33,101 --> 00:57:34,081
and use your Bitcoin

948
00:57:34,081 --> 00:57:36,741
they kind of want to bring

949
00:57:36,741 --> 00:57:38,741
the same in Italy

950
00:57:38,741 --> 00:57:40,641
at the same time

951
00:57:40,641 --> 00:57:43,261
yeah there are like a lot of regulations

952
00:57:43,261 --> 00:57:44,701
you know so

953
00:57:44,701 --> 00:57:45,901
you never know

954
00:57:45,901 --> 00:57:48,081
um

955
00:57:48,081 --> 00:57:50,261
but at the same time

956
00:57:50,261 --> 00:57:52,221
yeah

957
00:57:52,221 --> 00:57:55,461
maybe it will happen at some point

958
00:57:55,461 --> 00:57:56,541
maybe

959
00:57:56,541 --> 00:57:58,021
stop

960
00:57:58,021 --> 00:58:01,661
wait put it on yourself

961
00:58:01,661 --> 00:58:03,621
Paul's getting a snack here

962
00:58:03,621 --> 00:58:06,961
there's a real reason why we came in here

963
00:58:08,241 --> 00:58:09,601
alright we gotta leave the kitchen

964
00:58:09,601 --> 00:58:12,221
All right, we're getting kicked out of the kitchen.

965
00:58:12,661 --> 00:58:13,301
Let's bring it back.

966
00:58:13,381 --> 00:58:13,941
Let's bring it back.

967
00:58:17,381 --> 00:58:19,961
Well, how long have we been going, dude?

968
00:58:20,161 --> 00:58:20,881
We've been going an hour.

969
00:58:21,141 --> 00:58:21,681
That's an hour?

970
00:58:22,541 --> 00:58:23,521
Giles has something to say.

971
00:58:23,781 --> 00:58:24,461
I'm coming, Giles.

972
00:58:24,681 --> 00:58:25,441
Thank you, Satoshi.

973
00:58:26,241 --> 00:58:26,661
Thank you.

974
00:58:27,401 --> 00:58:28,321
Thank you, Satoshi.

975
00:58:29,781 --> 00:58:34,501
No, just one of the beautiful things about Primal and Nostra

976
00:58:34,501 --> 00:58:37,721
is the vibe is completely different to, like,

977
00:58:37,721 --> 00:58:45,201
centralized like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. That's something that I was really, yeah, that

978
00:58:45,201 --> 00:58:50,241
really interested me in the beginning of like, this is so different, like this vibe, like the

979
00:58:50,241 --> 00:58:55,501
algorithm isn't there to just like eat your soul away. There was like something really pure and

980
00:58:55,501 --> 00:59:00,941
down to earth about the community and the people on there. And I think that's what, yeah, like

981
00:59:00,941 --> 00:59:06,121
really resonated with me in the beginning. And like, aside from like seeing those sats and being

982
00:59:06,121 --> 00:59:11,181
able to pay for the eggs in the beginning it was like these are cool humans like these are cool

983
00:59:11,181 --> 00:59:17,661
people like posting about interesting things on my feed and I really really like that um yeah and

984
00:59:17,661 --> 00:59:24,421
I think a lot a lot more people should like try and see social media through that different lens

985
00:59:24,421 --> 00:59:28,801
and yeah and one of the things we talked about earlier was like what are the benefits to being

986
00:59:28,801 --> 00:59:32,521
early to Noster and we could call that a benefit because right now the only people on there are

987
00:59:32,521 --> 00:59:38,881
just like the real forward thinking go-getters who are you know extremists in their field in a good

988
00:59:38,881 --> 00:59:44,481
way and you're just seeing all these people that are just doing crazy things and really just fearless

989
00:59:44,481 --> 00:59:50,441
and looking for the the future and not afraid to come out and a lot of people who are getting

990
00:59:50,441 --> 00:59:56,381
canceled everywhere else too for for things that they say yeah so like free speech is finally free

991
00:59:56,381 --> 01:00:02,101
as well uh question for both of you guys we got since we got johnny and giles here again we were

992
01:00:02,101 --> 01:00:08,721
talking a little bit over with Argentinians and the Italian over in the kitchen, how different

993
01:00:08,721 --> 01:00:16,401
countries, the Italian, we have a, I had to admit, like we have so many in here right now. So that's

994
01:00:16,401 --> 01:00:22,861
pretty cool. But just, I'm curious of your thoughts about Bitcoin entering your country. Like, how do

995
01:00:22,861 --> 01:00:28,101
you see, like, how will Bitcoin be received on Australia? I know that they have like the Bitcoin

996
01:00:28,101 --> 01:00:32,261
Bush Bash. I'm not sure if you've heard of that. Have you heard of that? It's apparently this really

997
01:00:32,261 --> 01:00:36,441
cool, like, like out in the bush, they have this like get together of Bitcoiners and there's the

998
01:00:36,441 --> 01:00:40,741
Bitcoin Alive, which is in Sydney, which is like a big conference. Yeah. So there's definitely

999
01:00:40,741 --> 01:00:45,481
some Bitcoin people there that are starting to generate some buzz. But what do you think,

1000
01:00:45,881 --> 01:00:49,921
like, what is the state of the country right now in terms of like self-sovereignty and

1001
01:00:49,921 --> 01:00:53,921
trust for authority based on the last few years? And how do you think Bitcoin will fit into that?

1002
01:00:53,921 --> 01:00:57,381
I think it'll be very well received in Australia, generally speaking.

1003
01:00:57,501 --> 01:00:58,501
Like, we're pretty progressive.

1004
01:01:00,061 --> 01:01:09,221
COVID brought a lot of shit to the surface in terms of people starting to go, hang on, like, start to question the system and, yeah, what's going on.

1005
01:01:09,221 --> 01:01:14,721
So, yeah, I think most people are going to welcome it with open arms.

1006
01:01:14,881 --> 01:01:15,741
Yeah, for sure.

1007
01:01:16,461 --> 01:01:16,601
Yeah.

1008
01:01:16,721 --> 01:01:17,421
How about you, Johnny?

1009
01:01:17,561 --> 01:01:19,041
How does Germany look for you?

1010
01:01:19,121 --> 01:01:32,036
Because Europe as a whole is in kind of a weird situation right now A lot of shit going down over there And we have a lot of Bitcoiners in there too though And I talked to I had German people reach out to me on Noster DMs and say like

1011
01:01:32,056 --> 01:01:33,616
I love what you're posting, like, keep it up.

1012
01:01:33,716 --> 01:01:37,336
And like, let me know if you ever come here because we got meetups.

1013
01:01:37,396 --> 01:01:38,956
So they're definitely starting to pop up.

1014
01:01:39,016 --> 01:01:40,716
Like, what are your thoughts on Bitcoin in Germany?

1015
01:01:42,076 --> 01:01:43,076
I'm not really sure.

1016
01:01:43,076 --> 01:01:46,936
I think, so in Germany, there's like two, to both extremes.

1017
01:01:46,936 --> 01:01:53,536
So I think, yeah, some people will welcome it and will see the benefits of it.

1018
01:01:53,596 --> 01:02:00,636
And some people will reject it because they are, quite frankly, a little bit mind controlled.

1019
01:02:01,656 --> 01:02:06,876
So, yeah, it's, I don't, I don't really know.

1020
01:02:07,056 --> 01:02:07,676
I don't really know.

1021
01:02:08,296 --> 01:02:13,856
And Noster is interesting for that too, because we don't need to get into crazy details,

1022
01:02:13,856 --> 01:02:17,756
but Germany, like it's literally illegal to homeschool.

1023
01:02:18,376 --> 01:02:20,576
So like they're, they're making it really.

1024
01:02:20,736 --> 01:02:25,736
So you have to go down a certain track of education where the government decides what

1025
01:02:25,736 --> 01:02:30,176
the kids learn and it's, you go to jail if you say certain things wrong.

1026
01:02:31,056 --> 01:02:35,476
And to me, Noster is very interesting because that opens up, you know, people can start

1027
01:02:35,476 --> 01:02:40,336
making anonymous accounts and actually participating and they can come on there and no one can

1028
01:02:40,336 --> 01:02:41,396
shut them down anymore.

1029
01:02:41,396 --> 01:02:46,136
So how do you think that will awaken people and empower people to speak up and change things?

1030
01:02:47,196 --> 01:02:49,456
I mean, yeah, that's a big part.

1031
01:02:49,576 --> 01:02:53,436
You don't need anybody to tell you what's the truth and what's not.

1032
01:02:53,516 --> 01:02:56,476
Because at the end of the day, the truth will always prevail.

1033
01:02:56,876 --> 01:03:00,416
So you don't have to fight the truth or fight lies.

1034
01:03:00,576 --> 01:03:01,276
You can always, yeah.

1035
01:03:01,716 --> 01:03:02,496
So I think, yeah.

1036
01:03:04,656 --> 01:03:07,436
Yeah, I mean, that's what we mentioned earlier, right?

1037
01:03:07,436 --> 01:03:13,876
And that's why NASA is such a big improvement in comparison to the other social medias.

1038
01:03:13,876 --> 01:03:21,896
And I think it opens up a big opportunity to reveal all the lies that have been fed to the people.

1039
01:03:22,916 --> 01:03:24,656
And to fight lies with truth.

1040
01:03:25,276 --> 01:03:32,956
Without having a middleman that is saying what is the truth and what's not.

1041
01:03:33,276 --> 01:03:35,016
So people will find out themselves.

1042
01:03:35,016 --> 01:03:48,396
And for me, it's given me a lot of hope and humanity just using Nostra because you really see real people interacting with each other without these big tech algorithms in the middle, like you said, like you're taking the middleman out.

1043
01:03:49,016 --> 01:03:50,916
And it's been a big experiment.

1044
01:03:51,116 --> 01:03:58,416
And one of the parts of the experiment was, are people actually going to participate in this value for value thing where they send their Bitcoin to people?

1045
01:03:58,416 --> 01:04:01,156
Like, why would anyone send their Bitcoin to someone?

1046
01:04:01,316 --> 01:04:02,736
You know, they want to hold their Bitcoin, right?

1047
01:04:02,736 --> 01:04:07,196
But what we see is tons of people are happily sending their Bitcoin all over the place.

1048
01:04:07,236 --> 01:04:07,656
It's fun.

1049
01:04:08,096 --> 01:04:12,856
It feels good to reward people for their content and reward them for stepping outside the box.

1050
01:04:13,096 --> 01:04:19,416
So I think that's a beautiful white pill here is that when people are just given the right technological tools,

1051
01:04:19,916 --> 01:04:26,796
they will naturally do beautiful things and they'll share with each other and lift each other up and create these great outcomes.

1052
01:04:26,796 --> 01:04:34,896
What everybody should know is that it's not only great to take things and to receive, but it's also amazing to give.

1053
01:04:35,456 --> 01:04:39,276
And that's a real pleasure, to give to others.

1054
01:04:39,796 --> 01:04:42,716
And I think NASA is a prime example of that.

1055
01:04:42,856 --> 01:04:46,956
I have a theory that every Zap sent out comes back 10x, and I think I proved that yesterday.

1056
01:04:47,376 --> 01:04:47,536
Yeah.

1057
01:04:48,016 --> 01:04:49,436
Wait, wait, elaborate on that.

1058
01:04:50,736 --> 01:04:51,596
Nothing to elaborate.

1059
01:04:51,996 --> 01:04:54,616
No, about the gender of the deal that we already mentioned.

1060
01:04:54,616 --> 01:04:55,156
Yeah, yeah.

1061
01:04:55,156 --> 01:04:59,916
So that just like proves my theory further every zap you send comes back 10x

1062
01:04:59,916 --> 01:05:03,156
Because people on there will see when you're zapping them

1063
01:05:03,156 --> 01:05:06,276
So they're building an appreciation for you like look at this Paul guy

1064
01:05:06,276 --> 01:05:10,576
He's sending me all these every time it's one two three. I see Paul's beautiful face there

1065
01:05:10,576 --> 01:05:14,856
Three two one dude. I'm a fat one somehow is that more than my CEO is that more than Odell?

1066
01:05:15,156 --> 01:05:20,736
It's absolutely retarded. I zap so many sets that my grandchildren think I'm retarded which is a very big claim

1067
01:05:20,736 --> 01:05:26,476
And the way that Primal is set up, which is beautiful, is it shows the top zappers under every post.

1068
01:05:26,856 --> 01:05:32,196
So the people who are friendly and generous with their zaps are actually rewarded with...

1069
01:05:32,196 --> 01:05:32,876
Free advertising.

1070
01:05:32,996 --> 01:05:33,596
Yeah, free advertising.

1071
01:05:33,596 --> 01:05:34,056
It's called zappetizing.

1072
01:05:34,076 --> 01:05:37,096
And I have my podcast link in mind.

1073
01:05:37,316 --> 01:05:39,896
So I'm incentivized to give people big zaps.

1074
01:05:39,976 --> 01:05:41,536
So then it's advertising my podcast.

1075
01:05:42,256 --> 01:05:44,476
But it's also those people are receiving that money and saying,

1076
01:05:44,796 --> 01:05:46,496
Paul's such a cool guy for giving me all these stats.

1077
01:05:46,596 --> 01:05:47,116
Appreciate it.

1078
01:05:47,116 --> 01:05:51,596
And then when you post your big video, they're going to throw it back at you, like you said.

1079
01:05:51,916 --> 01:05:52,576
It was pretty cool.

1080
01:05:52,876 --> 01:05:56,236
And I definitely think there's more than just like the Zappertizing and all that.

1081
01:05:56,296 --> 01:05:59,296
I think there's like some general life principle going on there.

1082
01:05:59,336 --> 01:06:00,496
The more you give, the more you get back.

1083
01:06:01,016 --> 01:06:02,416
I think it's the same with Zapping.

1084
01:06:03,176 --> 01:06:03,416
Yeah.

1085
01:06:03,996 --> 01:06:08,016
Nostra unlocks like the true human togetherness and love for each other.

1086
01:06:08,296 --> 01:06:14,616
Well, that's the cool thing is that Nostra is some nerd speak notes and other stuff transmitted by relays.

1087
01:06:14,616 --> 01:06:16,496
Nostra, Nostra

1088
01:06:16,496 --> 01:06:18,516
In Italian, what does that mean, Giaus?

1089
01:06:18,756 --> 01:06:19,276
Nostra?

1090
01:06:19,576 --> 01:06:20,056
Ours

1091
01:06:20,056 --> 01:06:20,696
Ours

1092
01:06:20,696 --> 01:06:22,156
This is our social network

1093
01:06:22,156 --> 01:06:22,656
It's our

1094
01:06:22,656 --> 01:06:23,616
We own it

1095
01:06:23,616 --> 01:06:25,476
And we're building it

1096
01:06:25,476 --> 01:06:27,036
It's ours

1097
01:06:27,036 --> 01:06:28,916
I don't think Fiat Jav intended for that

1098
01:06:28,916 --> 01:06:29,756
I don't think so either

1099
01:06:29,756 --> 01:06:31,196
In Nuestro, in Espanol

1100
01:06:31,196 --> 01:06:32,276
It means ours as well

1101
01:06:32,276 --> 01:06:32,536
Yeah

1102
01:06:32,536 --> 01:06:33,556
So Nostra is ours

1103
01:06:33,556 --> 01:06:36,116
And it's like our chance to build these systems

1104
01:06:36,116 --> 01:06:37,596
That have been great

1105
01:06:37,596 --> 01:06:38,156
You know

1106
01:06:38,156 --> 01:06:39,936
Just with intent

1107
01:06:39,936 --> 01:06:40,856
You know

1108
01:06:40,856 --> 01:06:43,416
Fiat in Italian means theirs

1109
01:06:43,416 --> 01:06:44,416
No way.

1110
01:06:44,416 --> 01:06:45,416
It actually does?

1111
01:06:45,416 --> 01:06:46,416
No.

1112
01:06:46,416 --> 01:06:47,416
Are you f***ing with us?

1113
01:06:47,416 --> 01:06:48,416
Okay.

1114
01:06:48,416 --> 01:06:56,416
It doesn't mean like it's going to be fiat looks like it's going to be light.

1115
01:06:56,416 --> 01:06:57,416
Fiat means by decree.

1116
01:06:57,416 --> 01:06:58,416
By decree.

1117
01:06:58,416 --> 01:06:59,416
By decree.

1118
01:06:59,416 --> 01:07:01,416
So fiat means you're forced to it.

1119
01:07:01,416 --> 01:07:03,416
You're forced into it.

1120
01:07:03,416 --> 01:07:08,516
And so there's so many interesting analogies between Bitcoin and Oster that are just super

1121
01:07:08,516 --> 01:07:09,516
cool.

1122
01:07:09,516 --> 01:07:11,616
Gentlemen, is there anything else we want to cover here?

1123
01:07:11,616 --> 01:07:13,016
We've kind of gotten into a lot of stuff.

1124
01:07:13,176 --> 01:07:14,156
I'm zooming in on your nipples.

1125
01:07:14,836 --> 01:07:15,656
Zoom in further.

1126
01:07:15,956 --> 01:07:16,696
More detail.

1127
01:07:17,036 --> 01:07:17,776
More hair.

1128
01:07:19,336 --> 01:07:22,416
I think that, what is it, like hour 15, hour 30?

1129
01:07:22,916 --> 01:07:23,536
Hour 10.

1130
01:07:23,836 --> 01:07:24,196
Beautiful.

1131
01:07:24,696 --> 01:07:28,076
I mean, anything else you guys want to throw in here while we're still live?

1132
01:07:28,336 --> 01:07:29,256
Before we wrap it up.

1133
01:07:29,456 --> 01:07:30,276
Do you have a message?

1134
01:07:30,636 --> 01:07:33,436
Let's end it with a message to the people of the world.

1135
01:07:33,436 --> 01:07:35,256
If you had a microphone.

1136
01:07:35,756 --> 01:07:36,876
Actually, we'll give this to everybody.

1137
01:07:36,996 --> 01:07:37,436
This is a good one.

1138
01:07:37,436 --> 01:07:44,776
If you had a microphone for a minute to tell the whole world one specific message, what would you tell them?

1139
01:07:45,156 --> 01:07:46,256
Or it can be more than a minute.

1140
01:07:46,876 --> 01:07:49,396
Just give out your message to the world.

1141
01:07:49,596 --> 01:07:50,896
This is generally speaking.

1142
01:07:51,276 --> 01:07:52,036
Generally speaking.

1143
01:07:52,116 --> 01:07:53,716
What do you think people need to hear right now?

1144
01:07:54,156 --> 01:07:56,916
There's literally a giant TV screen pops up in the sky.

1145
01:07:57,056 --> 01:07:58,556
Billions of people are going to hear your voice.

1146
01:07:59,036 --> 01:08:00,496
What do you think is going to help the most people?

1147
01:08:01,396 --> 01:08:05,976
I would say something like if you want to live a fulfilled life, then you have to have a vision.

1148
01:08:05,976 --> 01:08:10,736
and that doesn't mean to be unsatisfied with what you have now.

1149
01:08:10,836 --> 01:08:13,436
That just means you have something to look forward to.

1150
01:08:13,936 --> 01:08:18,976
And I think the universe will always make ways and room for your dream to come true.

1151
01:08:19,476 --> 01:08:23,476
So no matter what, follow your dreams and enjoy life.

1152
01:08:23,476 --> 01:08:26,676
And in my opinion, that's a way to live a fulfilled life.

1153
01:08:26,976 --> 01:08:27,936
So, yeah.

1154
01:08:28,576 --> 01:08:29,236
Giles, you're up.

1155
01:08:29,416 --> 01:08:30,716
What's your message to the universe?

1156
01:08:32,456 --> 01:08:35,476
I'm still kind of thinking about it, but...

1157
01:08:35,476 --> 01:09:01,331
I think at this point in time with the amount of stimulation that out there try and yeah de yourself almost to the point where you get bored and you have so much time that you forced to just increase your self to a point that like you got to figure out what you doing here what your purpose is

1158
01:09:04,291 --> 01:09:04,771
Yeah.

1159
01:09:05,491 --> 01:09:06,711
Yeah, I'm going to keep it short.

1160
01:09:07,391 --> 01:09:07,791
Beautiful.

1161
01:09:08,311 --> 01:09:08,851
Let's hear it, Paul.

1162
01:09:08,991 --> 01:09:10,271
That was pretty beautiful.

1163
01:09:10,271 --> 01:09:15,891
I think I guess just the word that keeps popping in my brain is just fun.

1164
01:09:17,591 --> 01:09:22,371
I wonder, yeah, like actually prioritizing play.

1165
01:09:22,811 --> 01:09:27,791
If you prioritize that in your life, I think things will align.

1166
01:09:28,031 --> 01:09:30,791
Go surfing every morning and every evening.

1167
01:09:31,031 --> 01:09:32,431
I mean, it's hard to play out.

1168
01:09:32,671 --> 01:09:33,811
Like, is that really true?

1169
01:09:33,991 --> 01:09:36,791
But, you know, places where there's poverty and whatever.

1170
01:09:36,971 --> 01:09:40,891
But I think if you prioritize it, see what happens.

1171
01:09:41,911 --> 01:09:42,691
Play first.

1172
01:09:42,691 --> 01:09:49,111
That is a good one because so many people have forgotten that that is what humans are supposed to be doing all the time.

1173
01:09:49,231 --> 01:09:50,651
We're supposed to be having fun doing things.

1174
01:09:50,811 --> 01:09:51,811
It's the highest form of being.

1175
01:09:52,031 --> 01:09:52,231
Yeah.

1176
01:09:52,751 --> 01:09:57,731
Like kids are supposed to be out in a playground, like, you know, out in nature doing things, having fun.

1177
01:09:57,771 --> 01:10:01,511
And now they're just like stuffed into a classroom and told to memorize stuff.

1178
01:10:01,691 --> 01:10:10,351
And I think that's where the problem starts for a lot of people is just being trained to not be your free, weird, crazy self.

1179
01:10:10,351 --> 01:10:13,571
And that's why this house has been so fun to live in because everyone's weird and crazy.

1180
01:10:14,631 --> 01:10:19,851
And it's just been awesome to see more people that are living that life and feeling that way.

1181
01:10:20,011 --> 01:10:23,371
And when you expand that out even further, Nostra is full of them.

1182
01:10:23,591 --> 01:10:24,331
It's full of weirdos.

1183
01:10:24,331 --> 01:10:24,911
Keep asking weird, baby.

1184
01:10:25,071 --> 01:10:26,371
So many weirdos on Nostra.

1185
01:10:26,431 --> 01:10:26,871
We love it.

1186
01:10:27,111 --> 01:10:31,311
And they get more zaps for it because we zap the weirdos extra.

1187
01:10:31,631 --> 01:10:33,011
Zap the change you want to see in the world.

1188
01:10:33,251 --> 01:10:33,571
Yes.

1189
01:10:33,851 --> 01:10:34,111
Yes.

1190
01:10:34,751 --> 01:10:34,971
All right.

1191
01:10:34,991 --> 01:10:36,431
Should we go down and get some more messages from people?

1192
01:10:36,551 --> 01:10:37,071
Let's continue.

1193
01:10:37,811 --> 01:10:39,331
Laura, can we bug you one more time?

1194
01:10:40,351 --> 01:10:42,351
We are...

1195
01:10:42,351 --> 01:10:44,651
That's a deep question

1196
01:10:44,651 --> 01:10:45,811
that Ben's about to ask you.

1197
01:10:45,951 --> 01:10:48,351
If you had your chance...

1198
01:10:49,831 --> 01:10:52,451
I'm going to keep the camera on Paul

1199
01:10:52,451 --> 01:10:53,371
to make sure he doesn't eat anything.

1200
01:10:54,091 --> 01:10:55,091
Okay, yeah, stay here.

1201
01:10:55,211 --> 01:10:56,551
So I'll keep track of you.

1202
01:10:56,791 --> 01:10:58,471
The question for you, Laura, is

1203
01:10:58,471 --> 01:11:00,711
what do you think is the message

1204
01:11:00,711 --> 01:11:02,471
that needs to be heard by the world right now?

1205
01:11:02,471 --> 01:11:03,571
If you had the opportunity

1206
01:11:03,571 --> 01:11:06,611
to talk to everybody out there,

1207
01:11:06,731 --> 01:11:08,191
what do people need to know

1208
01:11:08,191 --> 01:11:09,571
that they're missing right now?

1209
01:11:09,571 --> 01:11:11,691
Other than make more babies, the most important thing.

1210
01:11:12,451 --> 01:11:13,311
In general?

1211
01:11:13,751 --> 01:11:14,031
Yes.

1212
01:11:15,651 --> 01:11:18,791
That you have freedom of choice, always.

1213
01:11:19,891 --> 01:11:26,451
So if you feel that you don't fit in the box where you are, like in your city,

1214
01:11:26,451 --> 01:11:30,171
you always have the option to go somewhere else and find your community.

1215
01:11:30,811 --> 01:11:32,031
That's what happened to me.

1216
01:11:32,671 --> 01:11:36,351
So I felt that I wasn't, like, fitting in the box where I was.

1217
01:11:36,351 --> 01:11:42,891
and I went out and I just like discovered a new world and I discovered Bitcoin I discovered

1218
01:11:42,891 --> 01:11:50,871
Noster I discovered like a beautiful community I reconnect with nature so yeah just like know that

1219
01:11:50,871 --> 01:11:56,671
it doesn't matter like there is always an option you can always like reclaim your freedom back

1220
01:11:56,671 --> 01:12:05,271
there are like many beautiful places in the world where you can be happy and if you are not there

1221
01:12:05,271 --> 01:12:09,151
stop complaining and start doing something, you know.

1222
01:12:10,591 --> 01:12:12,491
Embrace the self-sovereign lifestyle

1223
01:12:12,491 --> 01:12:14,631
with the tools that we have at our disposal,

1224
01:12:14,791 --> 01:12:15,711
Bitcoin and Nostra doing that.

1225
01:12:15,791 --> 01:12:16,631
Thank you very much, Laura.

1226
01:12:16,671 --> 01:12:17,311
That was wonderful.

1227
01:12:17,391 --> 01:12:18,211
That was an amazing award.

1228
01:12:18,391 --> 01:12:18,671
Yes.

1229
01:12:25,671 --> 01:12:26,071
Argentinians.

1230
01:12:26,891 --> 01:12:27,811
We're back in Argentina.

1231
01:12:27,811 --> 01:12:28,291
We're coming back.

1232
01:12:28,371 --> 01:12:29,771
We're coming back to Argentina.

1233
01:12:30,351 --> 01:12:30,931
All right.

1234
01:12:31,631 --> 01:12:33,091
New question for both of you.

1235
01:12:33,531 --> 01:12:34,271
Last question.

1236
01:12:34,271 --> 01:12:34,611
Don't worry.

1237
01:12:34,611 --> 01:12:35,331
Last question.

1238
01:12:35,711 --> 01:12:39,271
As your brain is being nourished by those wonderful steaky nutrients,

1239
01:12:40,271 --> 01:12:43,791
your question is, well, it's not a question so much,

1240
01:12:43,891 --> 01:12:47,511
but if you had the opportunity, which I'm giving you right now,

1241
01:12:47,511 --> 01:12:49,151
to just give your message to the world,

1242
01:12:49,251 --> 01:12:52,691
what do you think the people of the world need to hear right now

1243
01:12:52,691 --> 01:12:56,231
to upgrade their life and become a higher version of themselves?

1244
01:12:56,411 --> 01:12:56,931
Where are they missing?

1245
01:12:57,191 --> 01:12:58,011
English or Espanol?

1246
01:12:59,191 --> 01:12:59,991
English preferred.

1247
01:12:59,991 --> 01:13:04,951
that's a heavy question to drop on someone

1248
01:13:04,951 --> 01:13:15,711
you can take some time i can i can prop it out you need to chill out okay okay so look at that

1249
01:13:15,711 --> 01:13:23,651
and i have something to say oh she's got something to say on her birthday

1250
01:13:23,651 --> 01:13:31,571
So today morning I was thinking we have a beautiful morning at 5 a.m.

1251
01:13:32,071 --> 01:13:35,751
We went to the gym at 6.30.

1252
01:13:36,271 --> 01:13:38,911
We was having a very good breath work.

1253
01:13:39,771 --> 01:13:42,151
And then we jumped in a waterfall.

1254
01:13:43,191 --> 01:13:49,291
And in that moment I think, oh, that is because I'm with the right people, you know.

1255
01:13:49,291 --> 01:14:07,631
So my recommendation is to be with the people that share the same values and make you to be your best version of yourself.

1256
01:14:08,191 --> 01:14:09,271
That was beautiful.

1257
01:14:09,411 --> 01:14:09,671
Excellent.

1258
01:14:10,391 --> 01:14:10,711
Beautiful.

1259
01:14:11,291 --> 01:14:13,231
How are you going to back that one up?

1260
01:14:13,811 --> 01:14:16,051
I have a lot of pressure.

1261
01:14:16,051 --> 01:14:18,331
I'm going to do it right on my face.

1262
01:14:18,331 --> 01:14:25,211
I have a lot of pressure and well, of course, that I don't know what to say right now.

1263
01:14:26,051 --> 01:14:34,811
But to adding something to that is to do things that encourage encourage you day by day,

1264
01:14:35,731 --> 01:14:39,211
because then like I think that you will regret it.

1265
01:14:39,511 --> 01:14:43,031
Like it happens to me in all the things that we did today.

1266
01:14:43,031 --> 01:14:45,891
Like I pass my limit all the time.

1267
01:14:48,331 --> 01:14:50,911
I enjoy it a lot.

1268
01:14:50,911 --> 01:14:56,691
I want to include a link to the video of you jumping off of this cliff this morning, which both of you did.

1269
01:14:56,931 --> 01:14:58,431
I'm so proud of you guys.

1270
01:14:59,111 --> 01:15:02,851
This is a big jump at this waterfall we go to every morning.

1271
01:15:03,491 --> 01:15:05,751
And you guys both did it, and it was freaking awesome to watch.

1272
01:15:06,071 --> 01:15:07,191
So, that is...

1273
01:15:07,191 --> 01:15:09,831
So, wait a minute. Let's chill everybody. That's primal.net slash romar.

1274
01:15:10,671 --> 01:15:11,971
primal.net slash cami.

1275
01:15:12,771 --> 01:15:15,051
We'll include links to everybody in here for sure.

1276
01:15:15,051 --> 01:15:18,751
We've had so many wonderful people with so many different countries involved here.

1277
01:15:19,711 --> 01:15:21,811
And here, can we just put this thing over here?

1278
01:15:22,251 --> 01:15:23,091
Finish it up here?

1279
01:15:23,691 --> 01:15:25,131
As they're just like eating their steak.

1280
01:15:25,431 --> 01:15:25,831
Perfect.

1281
01:15:27,991 --> 01:15:30,071
It's been wonderful, boys and girls.

1282
01:15:30,271 --> 01:15:31,871
I think that this is a good time to wrap it up.

1283
01:15:31,931 --> 01:15:33,911
We've had a lot of wonderful conversations today.

1284
01:15:34,211 --> 01:15:35,031
Is this going to be the thumbnail?

1285
01:15:35,131 --> 01:15:35,651
Should we all jump?

1286
01:15:36,411 --> 01:15:37,171
Should we jump?

1287
01:15:37,231 --> 01:15:38,211
We should all get together.

1288
01:15:38,291 --> 01:15:41,031
Let's get everyone together for a big hug.

1289
01:15:42,891 --> 01:15:44,491
Oh, she's gone.

1290
01:15:45,051 --> 01:15:55,451
she might be upstairs and busy all right paul get up there friends appreciate you coming by for the

1291
01:15:55,451 --> 01:16:00,791
episode today to meeting all my wonderful friends here in a primal house in costa rica i've had a

1292
01:16:00,791 --> 01:16:05,151
wonderful time here thank you paul for making this happen for all of us and lara wherever she is

1293
01:16:05,151 --> 01:16:10,131
and uh hope everyone enjoyed hearing all these conversations from these different people

1294
01:16:10,131 --> 01:16:11,891
and have a good one.

1295
01:16:11,951 --> 01:16:12,691
Have a wonderful day.

1296
01:16:13,051 --> 01:16:13,351
Bye-bye.

1297
01:16:13,351 --> 01:16:13,851
Pura Vida.

1298
01:16:14,091 --> 01:16:14,791
Pura Vida.

1299
01:16:14,951 --> 01:16:15,231
Zap.

1300
01:16:16,091 --> 01:16:16,411
Zap.

1301
01:16:16,591 --> 01:16:17,091
Zap, zap.

1302
01:16:17,211 --> 01:16:17,791
Zap, zap, zap.