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Now I'm trying to find these communities of digital nomads, frequent travelers,

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flat theorists.

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The more I talk to these people, they understand freedom, but not from the money

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point of view, but from the geographical point of view.

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I'm here more to discuss how to make our lives easier.

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And guess what?

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For just by coincidence, the underlying principles that we are using are these

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freedom technologies that happen to be called Bitcoin and Nostra.

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And we are live.

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Hello, everyone.

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Thank you for coming by for another episode of the Ben Wurman podcast.

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I am here with Jordi Yonk today.

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Very excited for this one.

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We have so much interesting things to talk about, a lot of things that we have in common

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and some new things that we were talking about.

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So, Jordi, thanks for coming by, man.

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I appreciate being here.

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It's a pleasure, Ben.

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Happy to be with you today here in your audience.

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so frequent listeners will remember back when i talked to alex svetsky our friend who's building

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satlantis he recommended i get in touch with you and right around that time i saw your episode pop

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up on daniel prince's podcast and your name has been sort of dispersing around through the bitcoin

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world talking about nostre talking about fiat airlines so uh very excited to get into this

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i would like to start with just a story i like to get people's backstory and yours came from

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being a pilot. So tell me this, this backstory of how you go from pilot falling into Bitcoin and

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then Noster. Yes. So my name is Jordi and I started my, my professional work life as a

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airline pilot. When I was 22, I graduated from school and guess what? That was 2008. Yay.

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financial crisis so I had to find a job somewhere so I luckily landed a job in Austria

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pun intended in this case and I had to get to learn English get to learn German and because of that

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I started like a personal discovery of myself like who I really was because when you're at home when

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you're studying and you're keeping or you are staying in your circle of of trust and

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you never leave your your your comfort zone life is different so there I was 22 year old

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in a new country new culture although it was still Europe it was a new culture there was

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a lot of cultural differences in this cultural shock shock so and just to fill in for listeners

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So you're originally from Spain, so kind of back around different European countries.

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So, yeah, it's Europe and maybe some foreigners that have never been here, they think that Europe is one thing.

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No, Europe is like a mixture of a lot of cultures.

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And we don't even have the same language.

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And even the countries that speak the same language, they have dialects.

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So it's such a new adventure for a 22-year-old kid like me at a time.

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So, well, I spent my life for flying for seven years for this company called Austrian Airlines.

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So if anybody is listening that flew somewhere from anywhere in Europe to Austria or from Austria to anywhere in Europe or Russia or North of Africa, maybe I was your pilot.

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and for seven years I started learning a lot about different cultures and

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through my different experiences in all these other places and this is how I got

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I got into the traveling discovery mode of my life and you know I heard the word

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Bitcoin a couple of times, but I was so caught on my job and trying to not lose my job at

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the time.

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You know, it was like this big crisis.

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So everybody was focused on the things we shouldn't focus because the narrative, the

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world narrative was now you have to be here, you know, the rat race and all those things.

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And of course I was working my ass off and I was being poorer and poorer, even though

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I had a good job.

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But, you know, for those listeners that never met a pilot before, we pilots are not multimillionaires.

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So it's just a high paid job.

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But I compare it normally to a surgeon.

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It's a job that pays well if you put the hours.

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But when you're putting the hours, you don't have time for anything else.

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So that's why I decided to just reduce my job.

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So which gave me time because, you know, the more you fly, you know, when you are a passenger and you're flying,

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that you get exhausted. Like, why? I did nothing. I was just sitting there. Well, you go up, you go

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down. It's like climbing a mountain faster than you would climb it with your feet. So the body

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expands and comes back to the same position. So when you are even taking the responsibility of

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piloting the plane, it gets even more exhausting. So I decided to lower my rhythm of work and also

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try to reduce the hours even though it's all regulated and but you know the closer you are

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to the sun the closer you are to the cosmic radiation this also affects your it can affect

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your life cycles it kind of it just affects the quality of your health so that's why i decided to

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try to reduce as much as possible and keep doing what i liked but not as a job but more as more of

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of a decision, a personal decision.

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So then I said, what shall I do?

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normally they get married and have kids,

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but I was not in the mood for that.

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and I studied something more creative

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where I wanted to compensate for my logical,

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analytical skillset as a pilot

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and to have something more creative.

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I launched a couple of startups.

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peer-to-peer educational platform, something new in Europe.

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peer tutoring is a thing, but not in Europe.

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as being a pilot as well. And then I decided to help other entrepreneurs, CEOs, and corporations

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to work on innovation based on all my learnings. And, you know, Bitcoin sounded when I was a pilot,

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then I was doing my thing. I heard crypto, I heard blockchain, but I was so stubborn working on my

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own thing that I didn't pay much attention until, and I have to be grateful to my beloved

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government, because I finally learned Bitcoin during the pandemic, during the lockdowns.

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Like so many people.

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I was right there too, man.

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Right 2020.

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I was in, were you also traveling at that time?

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Were you a nomad at this point?

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Yes. With my startup, I was going to every place I found customers. And for some years, I had to go to Switzerland for a while to launch some pilots. Then a couple of years ago, I went to South Korea for a couple of months as well. So I was just going to the places where my clients were interested to work with me.

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So, yeah, but then the lockdown comes and it's like, okay, now what?

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I was working from home, but you know, you avoid the commutes and you have more time

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and you have nothing else to do.

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I like to do, I like to practice a lot of sports.

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Actually, I'm wearing my clothes because after this call, this conference call, I am, I'm

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So the pandemic didn't allow me to do all these, all these things.

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So I was curious about money and I started studying about the origins of money.

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Not money as having a lot of zeros in your bank account, but what is money?

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I don't know why.

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I was curious, okay?

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Don't tell me why I wanted, but since I was a kid, I always played with Monopoly and I'll

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dealt with my parents.

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I'm curious about money, but never had the curiosity of understanding it.

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So I started reading books, looking at podcasts.

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my favorite one was the last one of course i do not recommend this for the the one the person that

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is listening as for the first time but maybe the season bitcoiner i recommend broken money from

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linalden because it tells you the whole story of what is money from a technological point of view

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and then i learned what bitcoin is and i was like okay so finally i understand how the world works

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I don't know if your audience knows, but here in Barcelona, we have, in Spain, I live in Barcelona,

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we have a big community, which is called the Barcelona Bitcoin Only Group.

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I don't want to compare it to what's going on in Uvita, in Costa Rica.

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that's the most dense

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because, you know, we in Spain

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we think we are good, Europe is good

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you know, we are all

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sitting in this, like this frog

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in this pan that is

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sitting comfortably

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with the warm water

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not hot, just warm

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that just keeps going up a little bit

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starting to get a little uncomfortable

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I'm going to start using this from now on

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I like it.

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And so the size of our community is more like we talk about the technology of it.

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So how to build a node, how to build a miner, or how to be sovereign.

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So this is the type of conversations that we have.

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And of course, some merchants accept Bitcoin, but it's just maybe a dozen or two dozens of merchants in Barcelona, which means nothing.

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But still, luckily after the pandemic, after the lockdowns, I was lucky to find them.

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They welcomed me and now I'm one of the administrators and co-organizers of the event.

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We do one event a month one meetup We are a thousand people in the Telegram group which is a lot We meet between 50 to 100 people every month just for the meetups to talk Today we going to talk The other day we

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invited one of the most recognized mathematics professors that is studying cryptography in Spain.

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So we invited him to say, are quantum computers going to break the Bitcoin cryptography?

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So it was such a technical conversation.

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What was his answer?

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Of course not.

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No, don't worry.

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We don't have to worry about that.

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He was talking about the qubits of the computers that we have today and the asymmetric algorithms that Bitcoin uses.

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And how Bitcoin would adapt and the Bitcoin miners would then adapt those things too.

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Of course, of course. But, you know, there are fear, uncertainty and doubt narratives in every wave. And now this is the current wave. So that's what people talk about on mainstream media. So we hear our audience and we ask them, what are you worried about? And then we come to confront these ideas with actual professionals, you know, not just.

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That's amazing. That's the best way to bring people through the steps is just to give them the best speakers on exactly what their concern is. And this is one of the things that I remember learning way back in the day when I was going through my fiat schooling.

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I had a sales class and they teach you, figure out what a person's specific needs are or what their biggest pain point is.

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And don't talk about anything else.

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Just focus on that and give them the correct information that helps them break through that wall.

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And then they're good to go.

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Yes, this is just listening to your audience.

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This is how you make business.

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And now maybe it's easier for you and for I to understand.

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But maybe the audience, if they have never been there building a business, then that might sound like new to them.

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So this is one of the groups that I am part of, that I am very proud of being able to be there and organize events there.

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You mentioned Alex, Alex Zbetsky, the CEO of Atlantis.

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He and I were there at the Barcelona Cyphers Conference just one week ago.

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And this was the first conference that we organized in Barcelona.

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And it was in English, so allowing everybody from all over the place to come.

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And it was such an explosion of topics, interest, friendships, and all about these parallel structures.

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And so one of the parallel structures that normally comes when you enter in Bitcoin is Nostre.

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And this is how I got to discover Noster.

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And I remember I was in Nostriga one or two years ago.

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And to me, it sounded all too complex.

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Like, oof, Noster.

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Everybody was asking me, do you have Noster?

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Can I follow your Noster?

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I was like, what are you talking guys about?

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And luckily for all the Bitcoiners that we have put already the hours

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and understand all these cryptography, public and private keys,

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then it's easier to get in.

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But still, I remember that getting into Noster, you really have to want to get inside.

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And this is a rabbit hole that you have to opt in voluntarily.

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So it's not easy.

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If anybody's listening to us and never heard of it, don't worry.

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Don't even bother.

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And Ben, this is something that I'm starting to say.

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I don't use the words Bitcoin or Noster anymore to normies.

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I don't want to scare them or to create a wall.

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Because every time I go to a place, my job is go places, go discover circular economies,

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discover Bitcoin conferences, Bitcoin communities, and local communities.

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Now I'm trying to find these communities of digital nomads, frequent travelers, flat theorists.

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the more I talk to these people

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that they understand freedom

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but not from the money

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point of view but from the geographical

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point of view. The moment I start

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using the words Bitcoin

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they just roll their

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eyes like this. It's like

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okay so you're just here

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you're a crypto bro. You're trying to sell me your

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course. You're trying to get rich

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quick. You're trying to pump your bags

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I know that all your audience already knows what we're talking about, but if anybody just

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tune in for the first time and is curious, don't worry.

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We're not going to talk about technicisms or difficult things.

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I'm here more to discuss how to make our lives easier.

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And guess what?

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But just by coincidence, the underlying principles that we are using are these freedom technologies that happen to be called Bitcoin and Noster.

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But we don't even have to know how this call is going, how Netflix works.

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I just want to tune in my TV and a movie pops in.

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So this is my new approach after I've been in touch with many communities.

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That's interesting. I've never really thought of that.

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that's quite interesting i never thought of that as a strategy because

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it is interesting because so many people out there and i'm sure you've seen this

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everywhere the majority of people well actually i'm curious of your thoughts on this because it

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kind of changes over time depending on your environment but yeah it's a good thing that

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people have heard of bitcoin before so it's in their brain that they have some comfortability

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with that word because they've heard it many times but there's also so much negative press

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being put out by the mainstream so they usually have a sort of neutral like oh yeah i've heard of

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this thing it's weird i missed out on i wish i would have got it earlier yes but sometimes they

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they've if they're plugged into the more fiat finance places like cnn they think oh that's one

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of the the bazillion cryptos like i don't really know about it but it sounds like it's you know oh

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i heard it crashed the other day so too late or whatever you know just one of these stupid things

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and just not even using those.

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So what words do you use?

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I'm curious.

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Give me the pitch as a newbie.

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How do you explain Bitcoin and Nostra

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to people without using those words?

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I'm curious to hear your strategy here.

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So first of all,

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I'm tackling into these frequent travelers

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and digital nomads audiences, right?

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So I have to bear in mind,

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it's like, well, who is these people?

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They are normally people in their late 30s, early 40s.

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they are normally married and have normally they have children like new baby borns like

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a couple of years old so first i need to understand this it's like why are you traveling

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and they normally travel for different reasons so depending on the subgroup of these frequent

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travelers i i talk to i use one words of the others the most popular is the one that travels

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looking for freedom, geographical freedom.

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Like I am, I don't know, I'm a German

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and I'm tired of this shitty weather

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and I just want to go live in Bali

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for a couple of months, maybe six months.

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Then I want to be a couple of months in Spain

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and then the other months I will go back to Germany

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to visit my family and to celebrate Christmas, right?

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So first I need to understand the subgroup.

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This is a big subgroup.

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50% of nomads are normally American.

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So just change the weather maybe for another reason.

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So first I need to understand why am I talking?

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Are you European?

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Are you American?

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If you're American, you already know about freedom or you think so.

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Because then when you travel from one country to another,

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and this is something that is very popular from the different subsets of nomads,

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you start realizing that, imagine you're an entrepreneur or you're a remote worker

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and you're charging your client your next invoice.

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Oh, wow, wait, my invoice didn't went through

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because now you are in Chiang Mai in Thailand

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and your IP, the bank flagged it as unusual

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and you thought you were free,

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but you cannot get your money,

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so you cannot pay your rent.

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So what I'm trying to say is,

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and I do workshops every time I go to these places,

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And I ask who has had the bank accounts freezed for a week, for a while, or even the payment bounced back to the originator.

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And then I get some hands raised.

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And then I start telling them, well, that's because you're using some tools, some technologies that are not prepared for that.

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So I'm here to tell you about some freedom technologies.

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And I'm not telling you which technology it is.

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I start asking questions.

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Are you using Venmo?

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Are you using a traditional bank wire?

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Are you using PayPal?

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And then they say, yo, no, I use PayPal, but after I moved such amount of money, they blocked

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me.

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Okay.

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What did you do?

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No, I opened a new bank like Wise or Revolut bank account.

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But after I moved from different countries or I open or I collect connected with a different

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IP because I use a VPN for, because I want to connect to my server in my home in the US,

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whatever, they block me again.

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So I say, well, this is because the money doesn't go from your client to you.

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It does a couple of jumps in before, in between.

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And because of that, one of the jumps thinks that you are a terrorist or somebody got into

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your bank account.

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So they just want to prevent you from being robbed.

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So then, yeah, but what can I do?

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How can I avoid all these jumps?

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So then I start asking, I offer different solutions.

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Like, well, you can ask your client to send you an envelope with the money.

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No, man, this is so dangerous.

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It can get robbed by the post office.

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Well, there are remittances.

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You can ask Western Union or RIA.

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No, it's too expensive.

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They charge 30%.

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I'm like, okay, yeah, but you're asking so much.

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And then some of them, they say, Bitcoin?

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So it's only when they say the word.

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I just try to bring up all the pain points for these people that they think they're free, but they are not.

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And once they say Bitcoin, I can say, I don't know if you're ready.

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So it's like, I don't want to bring that up.

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I want to say, OK, maybe.

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But do you know what Bitcoin is?

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And then it's them.

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because if you try to, no, I compare this to, you know, the Jehovah, I don't know how they're called.

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They knock at the door, hello, they have five minutes to talk.

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Jehovah's Witness, yeah.

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They, they.

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It's like, no, I don't have time.

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Maybe I care, our religion, everybody's like, go away.

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Who invited you to my home So when we start orange peeling people by we trying to share or to spread the good news then this is creating a blockage

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to our

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counterparty.

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People have a natural wall built up.

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They don't like being sold stuff.

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Yeah, because the things that they heard,

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as you said, they are either neutral

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or negative.

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If they would have heard good things, they would be

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open, but because traditional media is doing their job,

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very well, which of course, if I own media, I would do the same because it's my country,

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my rules, right? Or if it's, if I'm the, if I'm the ruler and I have the power, I would

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do the same to protect my status. That's why we have to separate people from money from

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people so they don't have this power. But I understand they're doing the job they are

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supposed to be doing. So we cannot force anyone to wake up. And maybe I'm saying obvious things

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here, but it's like in the matrix, nobody woke up Neo, he decided to wake up himself.

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So it's the same.

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We can give hints, put some hints like, yes, oh, follow the white rabbit and those things,

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you know, but only if you want to follow me, you'll see where it goes.

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So this is how I get people to talk about Bitcoin.

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And then to talk about Noster, I go again to another subgroup of these nomads and frequent travelers that they are normally their own bosses.

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They have micro enterprises or they are content creators, maybe developers, musicians, artists, bloggers, YouTubers.

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I don't know if I said that.

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So it's people that create content.

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So then I use the same thing. Where can I follow you? It's like you, Ben. I follow you in a couple of social networks.

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And then I ask, okay, why do you have so many social networks? Why not just one?

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No, because not everybody's here, so then I have to have different social networks.

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Or maybe I have different audience target groups, so I need to have maybe two or three accounts on YouTube.

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my first channel, the secondary, the bloopers.

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And, you know, because maybe sometimes I say some things

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that if I say my primary channel,

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YouTube doesn't like it and they will block me.

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Ah, blocking.

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Have you been blocked?

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It's the same.

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They block you the money.

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Then I said, they block you the speech.

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And then they're like, yeah, but it's exhausting

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to have my Twitter, my LinkedIn, my TikTok,

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my blah, blah, blah, blah.

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I'm like, yeah, it is.

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Wouldn't it be awesome if we would have only one place

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that never can be censored.

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Yeah, I wish, I wish.

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What if I tell you there is something

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and that you can get money directly from your audience

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without having to relay on a third party

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that maybe pays you by a paper

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or maybe you get paid in USD,

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but you are from a country that you are not using USD,

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so then you have to be dependent on the change

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or maybe you have to open a bank account in the US

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And for doing that, you have to then to do the counting.

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And if you are, and then taxes come in and I don't know.

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So it's like, I know, I know.

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And I know that you may be just, you're just happy creating content, but now you have to

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be an expert accountant, an expert, an expert in social network marketing.

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So like, I'm just a musician.

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I just want to share my, my lyrics and my songs.

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So then people is exhausted.

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it. So it's like, maybe are you ready for something different? Yes, please, please. And

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that is when I say, okay, post something here. Post if you're an artist, post one of your

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pictures. Imagine you're a photographer. Download this up and post a picture. And then I subbed

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them and I send them, I don't know, a couple of thousand sets. I said, that's for you.

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my tip no way really i just made money no intermediary peer-to-peer so i the first zap

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is very popular that that is when people's brains start to click is when they actually get that and

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i tell them hey you you've heard about bitcoin all these years you know that people that have

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bitcoin are making big gains and they're doing quite well and i was going to mention that as

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well because when we're talking about the different feelings people have toward bitcoin like you said

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it's often neutral or negative from the mainstream media. But even if they have a friend that's

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really positive about Bitcoin, because they've been preaching it for years, they still think,

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oh, there's like a little bit of jealousy in there that they didn't get in earlier from that

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when that person did. So they're like, even though I have heard it's good, I didn't get it early

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enough. So it's really, there's just walls on every level, no matter how positive or negative

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they are. But the second that they just get some, I find that a lot of those misconceptions

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instantly melt away and they it's easy to explain to them this thing's been around for a while right

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it keeps going up here's a chart of it going up forever now you have some and all you had to do

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is post a picture on social media like you already do so there's no friction there to your all your

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routine yeah so i that's when you see the beautiful moment of oh wow this is okay i get it now and it

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It needs to be a value for value, like you do on your socials.

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If I send you 5,000 sats for nothing, I think the value that you perceive is less.

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You have to do something to earn them.

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So this is how I normally onboard people when I send them some sats.

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Proof that you are worth it.

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Proof of work.

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Yeah, and one of my favorite things to do, I'm not sure if you've seen me do this,

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But when I am bringing someone through the steps and getting them on to Noster, I will always make sure they have an amazing introductions post.

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And for those listening that haven't heard of this, this is one of the storied traditions of Noster is that the hashtag introductions is when you introduce yourself to the community.

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And it's still small enough to where you can instantly, you can go pretty viral on there just by having a good first post where you explain who you are, what you're about, what you like to do, and a few pictures of you doing stuff.

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And just so people know that you're a real person and you're interesting and you have some unique traits.

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Just yesterday, I saw an introductions post of a woman who plays all sorts of instruments.

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She's a singer.

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She's an artist.

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She loves horses.

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and like, very cool.

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You're awesome.

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I'm going to zap you.

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And everyone comes in and repost this person

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and they're excited to have them.

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And that is cool too when people see that,

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oh, I'm actually appreciated here.

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I've never, my first post on Instagram, nobody saw it.

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And my, you know, everywhere else,

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you don't get anything, but here people actually care.

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And you can spin the small community size right now

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as a positive in that way,

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if you angle it correctly and say,

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look, it's much smaller than Instagram,

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obviously but these people really care about this they're very passionate they're very active in

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participating in this value for value thing so if you create good value for people you're going to

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see it back in zap yes 100 percent one thing i would love to go back to before we get deeper into

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the the nostrils atlanta stuff is i don't want to skip over the whole airline thing because

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this is something that i am always in contact with and especially when talking with fellow

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travelers and nomads as we're talking about how much the flying experience just sucks now

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it just feels like

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they don't care about their customers very much a lot of the time when you go through the different

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steps in the process you don't get great service uh flights are always getting delayed and people

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are losing their bags everywhere and they're being, you know, the classic is when you're

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going through the choices on the website, buying your tickets is, oh, would you like

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to pay extra money for insurance in case we lose your bags or we delay your flights?

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It's very fiat across the board.

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And I'm curious, how do you describe when you look at it now with Bitcoin or eyes, understanding

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the how fiat money ruins everything and how this airline industry is very uniquely ruined

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by fiat because it's become quite attached by the government. The government now has taken this

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thing with the kiss of death and says, oh, you're too important to go under. So anytime there's

452
00:31:35,438 --> 00:31:41,818
a problem in the world, like we saw during 2020 COVID stuff, all these airlines were in huge

453
00:31:41,818 --> 00:31:45,578
trouble. The government said, oh, just take all this money, just throws money out and bails them

454
00:31:45,578 --> 00:31:50,838
all out and keeps them safe. How do you describe fiat airlines to a person wondering what's going

455
00:31:50,838 --> 00:31:53,518
on with the airline industry and why it just seems like it sucks.

456
00:31:54,098 --> 00:31:54,338
Yes.

457
00:31:54,438 --> 00:32:01,018
And this is something that in the airline industry, it is seen more aggressively because

458
00:32:01,018 --> 00:32:02,078
it's a bigger industry.

459
00:32:02,938 --> 00:32:07,438
This happens, these fiat problems happen at all scales.

460
00:32:08,058 --> 00:32:13,737
The problem is that with airlines, you know, the airline industry, and I'm telling you

461
00:32:13,737 --> 00:32:22,018
this from the pilot point of view, meaning I was not an investor of airlines or I was

462
00:32:22,018 --> 00:32:28,737
not running an airline. But we pilots have a little bit of understanding on how these

463
00:32:28,737 --> 00:32:35,538
things work. And airlines, either they work very well or they go bankrupt very badly.

464
00:32:35,538 --> 00:32:41,858
There is no middle ground. An airline is not going to make, it's not going to become a

465
00:32:41,858 --> 00:32:44,598
profitable business.

466
00:32:44,618 --> 00:32:46,598
It's going to be a super profitable business.

467
00:32:46,778 --> 00:32:50,197
So either it works very well or it goes bad, very badly.

468
00:32:50,938 --> 00:32:58,378
So that's why, and I know that because I started, you know, my first job at the

469
00:32:58,378 --> 00:33:00,697
airport was just loading bags at the airport.

470
00:33:00,697 --> 00:33:08,178
So I tried to understand all the chain involved, all the steps involved in the

471
00:33:08,178 --> 00:33:14,578
operation of a flight from loading the bags, loading the passengers, selling the tickets,

472
00:33:15,038 --> 00:33:22,818
checking in. And those business, again, it's the market. So those things happen depending on market

473
00:33:22,818 --> 00:33:28,318
dynamics. And again, I'm using the airline industry as an example, but everybody that is listening

474
00:33:28,318 --> 00:33:34,878
can extrapolate it to any type of industry. The problem is that with the airline, the numbers that

475
00:33:34,878 --> 00:33:37,078
we're talking about that much, much bigger.

476
00:33:37,697 --> 00:33:43,398
So the problem happens when you do not let the market play alone.

477
00:33:43,578 --> 00:33:50,798
When you put somebody that wants to be a third player and change the rules

478
00:33:50,798 --> 00:33:53,598
whenever they want, whenever they feel like, and this is the government.

479
00:33:53,638 --> 00:33:56,818
And this is something that I explained in detail at Prince's Podcast.

480
00:33:57,438 --> 00:34:01,798
And I know that because I started working at this little airport,

481
00:34:01,798 --> 00:34:07,477
south of Barcelona, loading bags to the Ryanair flights.

482
00:34:07,918 --> 00:34:10,078
And it was a small airport that nobody cared.

483
00:34:10,418 --> 00:34:13,278
I mean, it's just like a private field.

484
00:34:13,838 --> 00:34:19,838
So anybody could run their own small airplane and fly on the weekends.

485
00:34:19,977 --> 00:34:37,576
You know this is the typical thing that people do when they are wealthy enough and they have time So there is this smart company called Ryanair that they realize that this airport is underutilized It has some features for big planes to land

486
00:34:38,617 --> 00:34:48,776
and but he doesn't want to do all the innovation or capital investment required to bring passengers.

487
00:34:48,776 --> 00:34:54,296
So then he goes to the region that operates that airport and says, if you would help me

488
00:34:54,936 --> 00:35:03,096
to throw some marketing or if you gave me some benefits, I could bring you people to your region.

489
00:35:03,657 --> 00:35:09,576
And then these people probably will spend in your region and will make like, will increase the

490
00:35:09,576 --> 00:35:15,336
economy. And it was very smart. And this is what, that was the Reiner, one of the Reiner's

491
00:35:15,336 --> 00:35:25,216
business models that was convincing local governments that had an urge to increase their

492
00:35:25,216 --> 00:35:33,216
money backs because their governments and the only thing they know what to do is spend.

493
00:35:33,216 --> 00:35:40,276
They don't know how to generate. So then comes somebody says, I will give you more tourists.

494
00:35:40,276 --> 00:35:47,236
so they will buy more beers and you can tax alcohol higher so then you make more revenue

495
00:35:47,236 --> 00:35:58,036
and this is the business model the typical Ryanair business model to boost a zombie

496
00:35:58,036 --> 00:36:04,376
a zombie ritual which for governments that was perfect so they just had to

497
00:36:04,376 --> 00:36:11,396
for some money, promote that airport, make maybe tax breaks for these airlines,

498
00:36:12,036 --> 00:36:13,336
and they could bring more passengers.

499
00:36:13,776 --> 00:36:18,956
The problem of that is that it only works until it stops working,

500
00:36:19,356 --> 00:36:23,137
until the government decides, I'm not going to give you this tax break anymore.

501
00:36:23,677 --> 00:36:30,496
I'm not going to subsidize you the fares, so now the passengers have to pay it.

502
00:36:30,496 --> 00:36:33,516
And that's why you've seen, and in the U.S. you have Southwest.

503
00:36:33,516 --> 00:36:43,356
So they were the pioneers that copied the playbook.

504
00:36:43,996 --> 00:36:47,196
So yeah, this works temporarily.

505
00:36:47,716 --> 00:36:51,536
And now you're telling me that you have like these bad experiences flying.

506
00:36:52,056 --> 00:36:58,376
Yeah, because once the subsidies are out, then somebody has to pay for the whole operation.

507
00:36:58,376 --> 00:37:07,876
Either the passengers pays for the operation or the airline has to come up with creative ways of keeping the price low.

508
00:37:08,896 --> 00:37:19,036
And the people that fly with these low fares airlines are people that were not supposed to fly, that didn't have enough money to pay for the whole operations.

509
00:37:19,436 --> 00:37:25,876
So that's why a third party has to step in to help you to do something that you're not supposed to do.

510
00:37:25,876 --> 00:37:41,016
So the government, instead of helping people to become maybe more educated, to get better infrastructure so they can prosper and get better jobs and get a better income, instead of doing that, it's like a patch.

511
00:37:41,276 --> 00:37:43,617
They put a patch and they say, no, it's fine.

512
00:37:44,316 --> 00:37:45,256
You don't need to be smart.

513
00:37:45,576 --> 00:37:47,216
You don't need to be productive in the economy.

514
00:37:47,316 --> 00:37:47,756
It doesn't matter.

515
00:37:48,556 --> 00:37:49,816
Just travel and buy more beers.

516
00:37:50,676 --> 00:37:54,256
And this is the type of operation that you have.

517
00:37:54,256 --> 00:38:04,016
And this is just one of the business models that I believe that it's not sustainable at the long place.

518
00:38:04,096 --> 00:38:11,336
And we Bitcoiners, you know, with this low time preference that we have, that's why we feel that this is not the type of...

519
00:38:11,336 --> 00:38:14,916
And then, again, and we're choosing to fly with these airlines.

520
00:38:15,536 --> 00:38:19,516
If we don't want that, we are free to book our own private jet.

521
00:38:19,676 --> 00:38:20,876
We can do that, right?

522
00:38:20,876 --> 00:38:23,936
Nobody's forcing you to fly low cost.

523
00:38:24,256 --> 00:38:28,776
But this is what the market is offering.

524
00:38:28,776 --> 00:38:35,076
So nobody's going to fly with his private jet or first class because it's too expensive.

525
00:38:35,076 --> 00:38:41,516
So maybe we're not supposed to fly if we cannot afford it.

526
00:38:41,516 --> 00:38:46,756
So once every time I enter to one of those low cost flights as a passenger, I say to

527
00:38:46,756 --> 00:38:48,696
myself, it's your choice.

528
00:38:48,696 --> 00:38:50,016
Nobody forced you.

529
00:38:50,016 --> 00:38:56,637
The government created these incentives to offer this, but if we, the passengers stopped

530
00:38:56,637 --> 00:39:01,556
flying, then those flights would stop existing.

531
00:39:01,556 --> 00:39:03,896
So it's not all the government's fault.

532
00:39:03,896 --> 00:39:10,036
The government just kickstart the snowball effect and then it's on our hands.

533
00:39:10,036 --> 00:39:13,696
And that's why I say that Bitcoin is like a pacifist revolution.

534
00:39:13,696 --> 00:39:20,816
We can help define the state without even touching them, which to me, it's powerful.

535
00:39:21,036 --> 00:39:21,696
It's very powerful.

536
00:39:23,756 --> 00:39:24,657
Yeah, absolutely.

537
00:39:24,896 --> 00:39:31,196
And when you hold that sound money that gains value over time, and of course, it takes a

538
00:39:31,196 --> 00:39:34,657
little bit of handholding to show people, yes, I know it went down a few percent today and

539
00:39:34,657 --> 00:39:35,696
a few percent up the next.

540
00:39:35,816 --> 00:39:41,117
It's volatile in fiat terms, but if you can get them to look at a long enough timeframe,

541
00:39:41,117 --> 00:39:46,776
it does always gain value over time because it's programmed to unlike fiat, which is the opposite.

542
00:39:47,236 --> 00:39:53,596
And it starts to rewire your brain to think longer term and think about these things. For example,

543
00:39:54,176 --> 00:39:57,016
as you're talking about the private jets, I'm thinking about, man, I can't wait till I have so

544
00:39:57,016 --> 00:40:03,036
much Bitcoin. I can just fly private everywhere and I can solve this problem in a better way.

545
00:40:03,696 --> 00:40:10,916
And it's powerful stuff. It's crazy how much people's brains change when they

546
00:40:10,916 --> 00:40:14,756
they hold Bitcoin and how they look at these topics differently because possible.

547
00:40:14,756 --> 00:40:17,236
Now, now you start to understand that this is possible.

548
00:40:17,416 --> 00:40:21,256
Something that a normal listening to me might think, this guy is crazy.

549
00:40:21,316 --> 00:40:21,936
What's he saying?

550
00:40:21,996 --> 00:40:22,556
It's impossible.

551
00:40:24,536 --> 00:40:26,276
Wait, wait, wait a bit.

552
00:40:28,516 --> 00:40:28,876
Yeah.

553
00:40:29,137 --> 00:40:31,536
Our generation will, will be able to see that.

554
00:40:32,716 --> 00:40:33,196
Yeah.

555
00:40:33,556 --> 00:40:34,096
Very cool.

556
00:40:34,216 --> 00:40:34,836
I love that.

557
00:40:34,936 --> 00:40:40,736
And another thing that you, you mentioned earlier in, in, during your

558
00:40:40,736 --> 00:40:46,617
introduction story that I just took a note here and I want to touch on is bringing it back to the

559
00:40:46,617 --> 00:40:52,676
people level within that industry, the pilots themselves, and other high stress, important

560
00:40:52,676 --> 00:40:57,216
jobs you mentioned, like surgeons, you know, these people who have a lot of responsibility on their

561
00:40:57,216 --> 00:41:01,436
shoulders, we need to think about them too, because they have a very important job there,

562
00:41:01,436 --> 00:41:09,436
their many lives are in their hands when they are flying. And as you mentioned, as well,

563
00:41:09,436 --> 00:41:15,176
these people don't make a lot of money right now they're not making much money and they're being

564
00:41:15,176 --> 00:41:22,916
because of this government sort of latching itself onto this industry you get all the the dei stuff

565
00:41:22,916 --> 00:41:29,376
of hire like forcing them to hire people with different skin colors for diversity and oh oh

566
00:41:29,376 --> 00:41:33,536
shoot a bunch of more planes are falling out of the sky now what do you know because they're not

567
00:41:33,536 --> 00:41:40,996
being hired on merit anymore. So you get all these government issues that come with everything

568
00:41:40,996 --> 00:41:46,376
the government touches. And it freaks me out as someone that does a lot of flying and knows a lot

569
00:41:46,376 --> 00:41:50,976
of people that do a lot of flying that it's becoming less safe for those people who are flying.

570
00:41:51,216 --> 00:41:56,456
And it's just getting harder for the pilots. So have you ever tried to orange pill other pilots

571
00:41:56,456 --> 00:42:01,617
and talk to them about this? Like, hey, this is the problem here. This is why it's getting harder

572
00:42:01,617 --> 00:42:04,036
and how you can actually protect yourself.

573
00:42:04,576 --> 00:42:09,236
Well, luckily, during my experience as a pilot,

574
00:42:09,896 --> 00:42:13,976
maybe it was a time where there was less wokeness.

575
00:42:14,476 --> 00:42:15,836
I've never seen any of that.

576
00:42:15,996 --> 00:42:18,216
So I can tell that the selection process

577
00:42:18,216 --> 00:42:20,916
to become a pilot is extremely difficult, extremely.

578
00:42:21,117 --> 00:42:23,316
You go to school, you get your license,

579
00:42:23,476 --> 00:42:24,716
you get your university degree.

580
00:42:25,556 --> 00:42:27,596
Once you got it, they don't care.

581
00:42:27,596 --> 00:42:30,796
They do you more tests, they do more exams, psychological.

582
00:42:30,796 --> 00:42:34,536
Of course, there are people that will get in.

583
00:42:34,936 --> 00:42:37,216
I'm talking about maybe 10 or 15 years ago.

584
00:42:37,496 --> 00:42:43,117
So maybe I don't know how things are now, but I believe, I want to believe that.

585
00:42:43,236 --> 00:42:43,856
Not better.

586
00:42:44,617 --> 00:42:45,296
It can't be better.

587
00:42:45,876 --> 00:42:51,996
So unfortunately, at the time I was a pilot, I didn't care about Bitcoin.

588
00:42:52,657 --> 00:43:00,617
So the only conversations I remember having about Bitcoin is talking with a couple of pilot friends.

589
00:43:00,796 --> 00:43:03,676
And we saw it from the fear perspective.

590
00:43:03,676 --> 00:43:09,117
We did not, because you know, we pilots, we think we know, you know, it's like, Hey,

591
00:43:09,117 --> 00:43:09,617
I'm a pilot.

592
00:43:10,796 --> 00:43:11,656
Treat me with respect.

593
00:43:11,656 --> 00:43:14,256
You know, my ego, my ego is that there, over there.

594
00:43:14,516 --> 00:43:16,336
So it's like, I know everything.

595
00:43:16,637 --> 00:43:17,556
So that's a problem.

596
00:43:17,556 --> 00:43:21,936
Like we believe we know, and we only focus in one of the things that we know.

597
00:43:22,236 --> 00:43:25,637
So I don't think it's a, it's a good target group to orange build.

598
00:43:25,696 --> 00:43:27,496
So, so, so, so difficult.

599
00:43:27,496 --> 00:43:28,256
So difficult.

600
00:43:28,836 --> 00:43:29,137
No.

601
00:43:30,796 --> 00:43:44,216
Interesting. Yeah, that makes sense. It's the same thing with anyone who's in a really high level position, it seems like, especially in the financial world, which is the classic thing is, oh, I know everything about money.

602
00:43:44,376 --> 00:43:55,356
I know. It's like I know. And then to be able to go back to the origin of what you learned and that everything that you learned wasn't 100% true, there were some cracks.

603
00:43:55,356 --> 00:44:02,816
it's accepting that you've been wrong you know and this hurts so this humbleness normally occurs

604
00:44:02,816 --> 00:44:09,596
that there needs to be a trigger to me it was the pandemic to to other people might be

605
00:44:09,596 --> 00:44:17,536
some personal issue losing their job something you need to suffer to to to come to terms with

606
00:44:17,536 --> 00:44:24,336
yourself and and to start understanding we're just temporarily in this universe and we come we go

607
00:44:24,336 --> 00:44:31,916
it's fine just come to terms with you it's kind of funny that you mentioned that that you have to

608
00:44:31,916 --> 00:44:36,736
suffer to really figure bitcoin out because i would agree with you for the majority of people

609
00:44:36,736 --> 00:44:43,196
but i was an outlier personally that that didn't really happen and just like you for me 2020 was

610
00:44:43,196 --> 00:44:48,316
the time where i really went down to bitcoin only rabbit hole i was into crypto for a few years

611
00:44:48,316 --> 00:44:55,196
before that but i feel like 2020 was a time so many people figured out a lot of things but it was

612
00:44:55,196 --> 00:45:01,396
in different ways there were the the smart people who had enough of their brain cells working that

613
00:45:01,396 --> 00:45:08,096
they saw what was going on and were like this is crazy this is total tyrannical madness and we need

614
00:45:08,096 --> 00:45:14,456
to stop this and then there's the the lucky idiots like me who just found a bunch of youtube videos

615
00:45:14,456 --> 00:45:15,596
and had some extra free time.

616
00:45:15,676 --> 00:45:16,336
So I was just chilling.

617
00:45:17,376 --> 00:45:20,336
I ended up finding the Mike Maloney's

618
00:45:20,336 --> 00:45:22,216
Hidden Secrets of Money series on YouTube.

619
00:45:22,496 --> 00:45:23,296
Have you seen that?

620
00:45:23,476 --> 00:45:24,096
I was there.

621
00:45:24,476 --> 00:45:26,076
Episode one, two, three, four, five.

622
00:45:26,156 --> 00:45:27,436
Then one of the last ones,

623
00:45:27,496 --> 00:45:29,256
he's like with these other crypto

624
00:45:29,256 --> 00:45:31,536
and then he got locked in there and he stopped.

625
00:45:31,736 --> 00:45:32,176
But yes.

626
00:45:32,456 --> 00:45:33,396
The first four.

627
00:45:33,676 --> 00:45:34,936
People just need the first four.

628
00:45:35,076 --> 00:45:36,696
He tries Bitcoin later on,

629
00:45:36,756 --> 00:45:37,617
kind of whiffs on it.

630
00:45:37,617 --> 00:45:40,596
But the first four episodes of that

631
00:45:40,596 --> 00:45:42,396
really drilled into my brain.

632
00:45:42,536 --> 00:45:44,236
Okay, fiat currency is a problem.

633
00:45:44,456 --> 00:45:48,076
And I knew enough about Bitcoin to realize, okay, this is a real focus.

634
00:45:48,076 --> 00:45:54,056
And I was, as you were traveling at the time too, I was living in this fun little beach

635
00:45:54,056 --> 00:45:56,036
town in New Zealand at the time, just living in an area.

636
00:45:56,075 --> 00:46:00,055
Airbnb, just cranking through content and just learning, learning, learning.

637
00:46:00,215 --> 00:46:01,415
And so for me, that's what I needed.

638
00:46:01,495 --> 00:46:04,695
And some people just need to find the right educational content.

639
00:46:05,175 --> 00:46:07,115
They don't necessarily need to go through pain.

640
00:46:07,615 --> 00:46:08,635
I'm an example of that.

641
00:46:08,895 --> 00:46:14,735
And do you see that as well when you're talking to people that sometimes people just need

642
00:46:14,735 --> 00:46:17,335
a certain piece of content?

643
00:46:17,335 --> 00:46:21,775
And if so, what type of content have you seen is the most resonating with people?

644
00:46:22,055 --> 00:46:23,195
You need a trigger.

645
00:46:23,635 --> 00:46:24,775
You need the hook, something.

646
00:46:24,775 --> 00:46:30,895
and to me that that's suffering and you need to suffer some for some reason why why do you even

647
00:46:30,895 --> 00:46:38,935
even care about money either you have like this interior interest that for whichever reason you

648
00:46:38,935 --> 00:46:42,655
know sometimes we like things and we don't understand why because there is no reason i

649
00:46:42,655 --> 00:46:48,335
just like this all right so either you have that or you need to have a reason and maybe the reason

650
00:46:48,335 --> 00:46:54,335
your pain maybe you're suffering is that you have so many hours in a day that you don't know how to

651
00:46:54,335 --> 00:46:56,495
feeling and you start browsing YouTube.

652
00:46:56,495 --> 00:46:59,855
And then for some reason, those videos are the ones that you like.

653
00:47:00,275 --> 00:47:01,835
So there is this trigger.

654
00:47:02,495 --> 00:47:07,335
And for the people answering to your question, so I don't think this is how

655
00:47:07,335 --> 00:47:08,735
normies are on boarded.

656
00:47:09,215 --> 00:47:13,835
Like this is just, this is once you already understand it and then you

657
00:47:13,835 --> 00:47:17,375
wanna, you wanna learn more and maybe you don't, you don't know what books to

658
00:47:17,375 --> 00:47:21,975
read and then maybe, or what documentaries to watch or what movies to watch.

659
00:47:21,975 --> 00:47:31,235
So then is when the obvious thing, you know, it's content and content might be like short TikToks, longer reels on Instagram, or maybe YouTube videos.

660
00:47:31,435 --> 00:47:33,995
So again, to me, it's so simple.

661
00:47:34,215 --> 00:47:36,315
I need to go to the source of the pain.

662
00:47:36,495 --> 00:47:40,395
I need to understand who is the target group I'm talking to.

663
00:47:40,455 --> 00:47:45,335
And based on that, I can build a narrative around their personal story.

664
00:47:45,595 --> 00:47:47,695
Because nobody cares about your story.

665
00:47:47,955 --> 00:47:48,255
Nobody.

666
00:47:49,315 --> 00:47:50,715
Maybe your parents.

667
00:47:51,075 --> 00:47:51,175
Yeah.

668
00:47:51,175 --> 00:47:58,695
nobody cares so but but they care about their story so it's our job to understand their story

669
00:47:58,695 --> 00:48:04,975
understand their pain points and then build a narrative around their story so they can have

670
00:48:04,975 --> 00:48:09,455
a better life because as i said we're here temporarily we're gonna die we're all gonna die

671
00:48:09,455 --> 00:48:15,755
so nobody cares about your life they care about their life so we better make their lives better

672
00:48:15,755 --> 00:48:44,135
And this is after a couple of years trying to orange people, this is what I realized or what I discovered that works better with these groups of normies, flag theories, passport bros, geo-arbitragers, digital nomads, frequent travelers, free cities, lookers, free cities, advocates, nation, network states,

673
00:48:44,135 --> 00:48:46,975
all these type of people they care about.

674
00:48:47,255 --> 00:48:48,095
They have their own problems.

675
00:48:48,555 --> 00:48:49,555
I don't want to pay taxes.

676
00:48:50,235 --> 00:48:52,995
Or my government is making me pay more taxes

677
00:48:52,995 --> 00:48:54,615
than the resources I'm getting.

678
00:48:54,915 --> 00:48:56,675
Okay, then go to this other country.

679
00:48:56,775 --> 00:48:57,615
Maybe they treat you better.

680
00:48:58,235 --> 00:49:01,475
Maybe you want to start avoiding

681
00:49:01,475 --> 00:49:04,435
to pay things that you don't think

682
00:49:04,435 --> 00:49:08,635
are giving you back what you are expecting.

683
00:49:09,055 --> 00:49:11,455
So you have to understand what are their problems.

684
00:49:12,155 --> 00:49:13,895
I want to raise my kids at home.

685
00:49:14,135 --> 00:49:19,055
in my country they don't allow me right so do you go from there and you say do you know that

686
00:49:19,055 --> 00:49:23,235
there are other countries that allow you that and they are freedom seekers and then there is like

687
00:49:23,235 --> 00:49:30,475
this circular economy and if based on that so you need to tackle the the i mean this is what i've

688
00:49:30,475 --> 00:49:38,715
seen so far yeah and that's a i think that's a great tee up for me to bring up one of the times

689
00:49:38,715 --> 00:49:43,515
that i successfully did this as you were talking about earlier figure out what people's real problem

690
00:49:43,515 --> 00:49:45,895
are also in the digital nomad world.

691
00:49:46,015 --> 00:49:47,675
This is, these tie in really well.

692
00:49:48,015 --> 00:49:52,755
I'm not sure if you've heard me tell the story a couple of times, but when I was in Mexico,

693
00:49:53,195 --> 00:50:01,435
in Chiapas, Mexico last year, yeah, late last year, I was in a long-term hostel with a bunch

694
00:50:01,435 --> 00:50:06,435
of people, probably a dozen or so, 12, 15 people who we all got to know each other quite

695
00:50:06,435 --> 00:50:06,715
well.

696
00:50:06,715 --> 00:50:08,775
And we all got to know each other's problems quite well.

697
00:50:08,815 --> 00:50:10,435
So I got to hear what people's problems were.

698
00:50:10,495 --> 00:50:12,055
I really got to figure that out.

699
00:50:12,055 --> 00:50:20,295
And one of the things that we all did was we'd go on a lot of these different tours and go out for dinner and things where we're all paying money together.

700
00:50:20,595 --> 00:50:26,115
And we decided it was just much easier if one person would be paying at each place and just covered everybody.

701
00:50:26,195 --> 00:50:27,375
And we just took turns doing that.

702
00:50:27,955 --> 00:50:33,895
Now, the thing was, myself and a couple other people had problems with our debit cards.

703
00:50:33,995 --> 00:50:35,735
We couldn't get any of the local currency.

704
00:50:36,175 --> 00:50:38,115
It was having problems at the ATM.

705
00:50:38,235 --> 00:50:39,155
We couldn't figure it out.

706
00:50:39,155 --> 00:50:44,415
So we could either do Western Union or something else where they just scrape you dry with crazy fees.

707
00:50:44,855 --> 00:50:50,815
And I just told them, hey, guys, I know this way that we can just get a little circular economy going.

708
00:50:51,295 --> 00:50:53,835
Here's this thing called Nostra.

709
00:50:53,895 --> 00:50:55,255
I think I did use the word Nostra.

710
00:50:55,395 --> 00:50:56,735
I wasn't as smart as you yet.

711
00:50:56,775 --> 00:50:59,575
I'm just like not giving them the weird technical words.

712
00:50:59,675 --> 00:51:04,235
But I basically explained to them, hey, we can just use Bitcoin to trade with each other.

713
00:51:04,295 --> 00:51:06,095
We don't need to use this local currency at all.

714
00:51:06,295 --> 00:51:07,095
There's no reason to.

715
00:51:07,095 --> 00:51:26,855
And so I got them all spun up with a couple of Nostra clients and we just use that to trade. And since I had plenty of stats in there from just my few years of posting before that I had the advantage of I could just I had plenty of money to throw people so I just had them cover me and I would send them Bitcoin everyone wins because they got to earn more Bitcoin.

716
00:51:26,855 --> 00:51:29,995
And this whole time, of course, I'm telling them about Bitcoin as well.

717
00:51:30,075 --> 00:51:31,215
This is why this is important.

718
00:51:31,295 --> 00:51:33,215
And it's a good thing to have a savings account in Bitcoin.

719
00:51:33,995 --> 00:51:38,195
And so that is a great one I recommend to all fellow travelers and nomads out there.

720
00:51:38,195 --> 00:51:43,615
It's a huge pain in the ass to deal with these currency changes everywhere where you're traveling.

721
00:51:44,295 --> 00:51:45,575
So just make friends.

722
00:51:46,095 --> 00:51:46,995
Get them on a Noster.

723
00:51:47,495 --> 00:51:52,055
Teach them about Bitcoin by listening to their pain points, as we've talked about here.

724
00:51:52,535 --> 00:51:55,295
And you can just start paying people in Bitcoin directly like that.

725
00:51:55,295 --> 00:52:01,075
And it's a bonus that a lot of travelers love posting pictures of their travels on social media.

726
00:52:01,455 --> 00:52:05,615
So why would you not post your pictures on Nostra and share your story?

727
00:52:05,695 --> 00:52:07,075
Because a lot of people love to hear that.

728
00:52:07,255 --> 00:52:12,415
And a bunch of people, as I mentioned earlier, I help them write a really good introductions post.

729
00:52:12,935 --> 00:52:22,395
And they get great results right out of the gate because people love hearing these stories of these wandering folks who are seeing the world and sharing their experiences.

730
00:52:22,395 --> 00:52:24,595
So many things coming together here.

731
00:52:24,595 --> 00:52:32,375
and it's logic yeah it all makes sense and sense i think this is also a great time to talk about

732
00:52:32,375 --> 00:52:38,075
satlantis of course this is the nostril client that's all about travel and i want to hear your

733
00:52:38,075 --> 00:52:43,895
pitch so when you're talking specifically about satlantis to people like myself and the people i

734
00:52:43,895 --> 00:52:49,255
just mentioned who are travelers like to move around and go to different places and get in

735
00:52:49,255 --> 00:52:53,675
integrated with the cultures in these places how does satlantis do this give me the pitch

736
00:52:53,675 --> 00:53:01,015
Right. Look, Atlantis, it's simple. Atlantis is a social network for frequent travelers.

737
00:53:02,555 --> 00:53:12,215
Seems easy, no, to explain? Social network for frequent travelers. But what is a social network?

738
00:53:12,575 --> 00:53:16,655
Because we think that we know what a social network is, and we actually don't.

739
00:53:16,655 --> 00:53:27,515
The tools that we use today, Instagram, WhatsApp, TikTok, Facebook, LinkedIn, we call them social networks, but they are not.

740
00:53:28,455 --> 00:53:29,995
They are social media platforms.

741
00:53:30,795 --> 00:53:33,695
They are big corporations that know a lot of us.

742
00:53:33,695 --> 00:53:42,995
And then based on that, they can throw a lot of content that they think that will engage or will resonate with our interests.

743
00:53:42,995 --> 00:53:52,455
and will keep scrolling immediately and be hooked like in this spiral of content.

744
00:53:53,015 --> 00:53:54,015
This is not a social network.

745
00:53:54,755 --> 00:53:56,735
Maybe they started as social networks.

746
00:53:56,975 --> 00:54:00,915
You know, the antithesis of the social networks is TikTok.

747
00:54:01,495 --> 00:54:05,895
You don't even have to have friends on TikTok, but it learns

748
00:54:05,895 --> 00:54:08,935
and it gives you the content that you really need.

749
00:54:09,255 --> 00:54:12,855
So in Atlantis, we've built a real social network.

750
00:54:12,995 --> 00:54:15,455
So in Atlantis, you need to have friends.

751
00:54:16,055 --> 00:54:20,255
And those friends, they can be people that you know, people that you follow,

752
00:54:20,735 --> 00:54:24,815
or people that you don't know but are following the same interests as you.

753
00:54:25,715 --> 00:54:28,455
And what are the interests that you can see in Atlantis?

754
00:54:29,075 --> 00:54:32,835
Well, if Atlantis is a social network for frequent travelers,

755
00:54:33,575 --> 00:54:38,775
the interest, the main interest is the destinations that you are going to.

756
00:54:38,775 --> 00:54:47,535
So maybe your interest is, I don't know, for me, I'm going to Prague in a couple of days.

757
00:54:47,995 --> 00:54:50,015
So that interests me.

758
00:54:50,695 --> 00:54:57,095
So when I download Atlantis, I will start seeing and I pick, follow the city of Prague.

759
00:54:57,355 --> 00:54:59,215
I will start seeing things that happen on Prague.

760
00:54:59,715 --> 00:55:00,835
But what happens on Prague?

761
00:55:01,015 --> 00:55:01,735
Not companies.

762
00:55:02,375 --> 00:55:03,095
It's accounts.

763
00:55:03,475 --> 00:55:07,455
And I'm using the word account very broadly here so that people understand.

764
00:55:07,455 --> 00:55:13,395
So anybody can create an account, a person, a company, an organization, anywhere, anything.

765
00:55:14,475 --> 00:55:19,915
So South Atlantic is a social network to meet like-minded people wherever you're going.

766
00:55:20,495 --> 00:55:25,055
And this is, it's simple, but we didn't invent anything here.

767
00:55:25,355 --> 00:55:28,015
So Facebook groups exist.

768
00:55:28,775 --> 00:55:30,235
It existed forever.

769
00:55:30,235 --> 00:55:37,795
And there are groups that say Spanish citizens in Prague, for example, if I'm going to Prague,

770
00:55:37,795 --> 00:55:42,615
maybe I want to meet other Spanish people or activities in Prague, if I want to do, or

771
00:55:42,615 --> 00:55:45,075
sports in Prague, if I want to practice sports.

772
00:55:45,075 --> 00:55:46,735
So we didn't invent anything here.

773
00:55:46,735 --> 00:56:03,296
Or maybe there are WhatsApp groups the local group for your favorite restaurants in Prague that already exists We didn invent anything The problem is that the tools that we have today they are fragmented and you have Google

774
00:56:03,296 --> 00:56:08,496
maps, then you have meetups, then you have Facebook groups, maybe WhatsApp groups, Telegram

775
00:56:08,496 --> 00:56:16,496
groups, and everything that happens in every of these tools, they are closed.

776
00:56:16,536 --> 00:56:17,376
They are silos.

777
00:56:17,376 --> 00:56:21,336
So you cannot relate everything that's going on.

778
00:56:21,336 --> 00:56:26,336
So when I'm going to discover my next favorite gym in Prague,

779
00:56:27,416 --> 00:56:28,376
what shall I do?

780
00:56:28,376 --> 00:56:32,376
Enter Instagram or no, enter Google Maps, gyms,

781
00:56:32,376 --> 00:56:33,376
zoom in in Prague.

782
00:56:33,376 --> 00:56:37,376
Then when I see a couple of gyms, I can see the comments,

783
00:56:37,376 --> 00:56:39,376
but I don't know who wrote those comments.

784
00:56:39,376 --> 00:56:42,376
Are they real people? Are they bots?

785
00:56:42,376 --> 00:56:44,376
Are they people like-minded to me?

786
00:56:44,376 --> 00:56:46,376
Because maybe the people said, oh, this gym is perfect,

787
00:56:46,376 --> 00:56:50,276
perfect because it has a swimming pool, but maybe I don't care about the swimming pool.

788
00:56:50,276 --> 00:56:55,056
So why shall I care about his comment?

789
00:56:55,056 --> 00:57:00,276
So then after that, I have to go to the profile of the gym in the Google Maps and find, if

790
00:57:00,276 --> 00:57:03,736
I'm lucky, cross my fingers, if they have an Instagram account.

791
00:57:03,736 --> 00:57:07,636
So then I can go to the Instagram account and see what pictures they have and what comments

792
00:57:07,636 --> 00:57:08,636
people are saying.

793
00:57:08,636 --> 00:57:12,276
But it's not, I don't know if it's the same people from Google Maps that are giving the

794
00:57:12,276 --> 00:57:13,536
same comments.

795
00:57:13,536 --> 00:57:17,976
Maybe they have the same account number, account name, maybe they have the same picture, maybe

796
00:57:17,976 --> 00:57:19,916
it's an impersonator, I don't know.

797
00:57:19,916 --> 00:57:23,996
So I have to start doing again all this research on Instagram.

798
00:57:23,996 --> 00:57:29,956
Maybe on this Instagram account there is a link to the link tree.

799
00:57:29,956 --> 00:57:33,996
And then on the link tree, there is a list of events that this gym is doing.

800
00:57:33,996 --> 00:57:36,396
So next week's events.

801
00:57:36,396 --> 00:57:40,296
That links me to a website on meetup.com.

802
00:57:40,296 --> 00:57:43,516
All right, so I have to start again.

803
00:57:43,536 --> 00:57:45,336
What are the events going on there?

804
00:57:45,336 --> 00:57:46,536
Who posted them?

805
00:57:46,536 --> 00:57:48,076
What reputation they have?

806
00:57:48,076 --> 00:57:51,076
The reputation is, again, inside of the silo of meetup.com.

807
00:57:51,536 --> 00:57:54,336
And I'm not saying that any of these apps is not good.

808
00:57:54,336 --> 00:57:57,876
No, they all serve their purpose, but they are generalistic apps.

809
00:57:58,296 --> 00:58:03,796
So when you're a traveler, you end up with 10 or 20 tabs on your

810
00:58:03,996 --> 00:58:07,076
on your computer or 10 or 20 apps on your phone

811
00:58:07,576 --> 00:58:09,496
just to make a decision on where to go next.

812
00:58:09,496 --> 00:58:13,696
And I'm always just using this example of finding my next year.

813
00:58:14,576 --> 00:58:20,256
And then what we've done is we mixed all these tools together

814
00:58:20,256 --> 00:58:27,736
so every person can share their reputation on all the tools at the same time.

815
00:58:28,196 --> 00:58:31,956
So then if you and I share the same interests,

816
00:58:31,956 --> 00:58:34,356
I will see your comments first.

817
00:58:34,576 --> 00:58:36,236
I will see your recommendations first.

818
00:58:36,236 --> 00:58:39,816
and I will see if you discover this gym,

819
00:58:40,376 --> 00:58:43,516
I will be able to see that you've been there before.

820
00:58:44,736 --> 00:58:49,056
If we never met then, but we shared some interests,

821
00:58:49,376 --> 00:58:54,656
then your name will be around my app experience.

822
00:58:55,396 --> 00:58:56,856
So then because this is a social network

823
00:58:56,856 --> 00:58:58,496
and the goal of the social network

824
00:58:58,496 --> 00:59:00,696
is to connect with like-minded people,

825
00:59:01,256 --> 00:59:02,536
I will end up following you.

826
00:59:02,536 --> 00:59:03,916
So if you're a content creator,

827
00:59:04,196 --> 00:59:06,096
if you're a, let's say, a tour guide,

828
00:59:06,236 --> 00:59:12,136
you're discovering places, you're a YouTuber, you're a podcaster, then it is a way for you

829
00:59:12,136 --> 00:59:16,636
to discover people that has the same interest in that same city.

830
00:59:16,976 --> 00:59:19,916
If you're a Bitcoiner, if you like, we have a map, for example.

831
00:59:20,836 --> 00:59:25,396
If you like to eat healthy, there is a filter that says, for example, sea toil free.

832
00:59:26,176 --> 00:59:33,456
So if you and I are interested in that, I might end up getting to even know you in person

833
00:59:33,456 --> 00:59:37,256
in that restaurant because you say that you go there often.

834
00:59:37,696 --> 00:59:40,076
But maybe you don't say that, but because it's a social network

835
00:59:40,076 --> 00:59:43,316
and I start following you, I engage with you because we can post it.

836
00:59:43,576 --> 00:59:44,596
It's like an Instagram, right?

837
00:59:44,656 --> 00:59:47,336
It's like you post pictures, you can get comments, you can get likes.

838
00:59:47,936 --> 00:59:51,116
So maybe we end up getting to know each other.

839
00:59:51,116 --> 00:59:57,536
The goal is to be able to make these connections before you arrive to a place

840
00:59:57,536 --> 01:00:03,356
and to bring these connections in real life once you are in the place.

841
01:00:03,456 --> 01:00:08,696
It's not compulsory. You're not obliged to meet people in real life.

842
01:00:09,416 --> 01:00:22,056
But maybe you want, because most of the frequent travelers, when they travel, they either travel alone, or as I said before, they travel with the family, and they want to gather with like-minded people.

843
01:00:22,056 --> 01:00:38,496
So they want to know where is their crowd, what schools to send their kids, what restaurants to hang out, what co-workings to go to work, what local attractions to go, and what activities to do.

844
01:00:38,596 --> 01:00:42,756
So that's why we have events and events like a copy of Meetup.

845
01:00:42,996 --> 01:00:44,316
It's like we cloned everything.

846
01:00:44,496 --> 01:00:45,276
We cloned Google Maps.

847
01:00:45,456 --> 01:00:46,336
We cloned Instagram.

848
01:00:46,656 --> 01:00:49,896
We cloned Meetup, Luma, TripAdvisor.

849
01:00:49,896 --> 01:00:52,736
and we are pulling in all this information from there,

850
01:00:53,116 --> 01:00:58,696
but allowing the users to transfer their identity

851
01:00:58,696 --> 01:01:01,356
from one mini app to the other mini app.

852
01:01:01,436 --> 01:01:03,196
And they don't realize, but it's a home.

853
01:01:03,416 --> 01:01:04,896
And that's why we call it a super app.

854
01:01:09,476 --> 01:01:11,976
Yeah, there's so many things to dig into there.

855
01:01:12,156 --> 01:01:14,036
It's so exciting when you think about it

856
01:01:14,036 --> 01:01:18,416
because we've all used these services before,

857
01:01:18,416 --> 01:01:25,736
Google Maps or the Meetup or Yelp or just ways to figure out, okay, I'm in this place I'm not

858
01:01:25,736 --> 01:01:28,956
super familiar with, or it could be your own hometown and you're just wanting to go to a new

859
01:01:28,956 --> 01:01:34,456
restaurant or find a new gym or something. And it sends you on this path of needing to

860
01:01:34,456 --> 01:01:41,176
trust other people. You don't even know if the Yelp reviews could be undercover people at that

861
01:01:41,176 --> 01:01:46,776
business, just trying to pump the numbers. And so this injects this new trust element where you have

862
01:01:46,776 --> 01:01:51,016
Your social graph that you built, which, again, could have been on any other Nostra client.

863
01:01:51,116 --> 01:01:54,196
This is the beauty of Nostra is it sticks with you everywhere.

864
01:01:54,556 --> 01:01:59,316
So you have these connections that you built on Nostra and you trust.

865
01:02:00,056 --> 01:02:06,476
And then you will see those people automatically pop up on these places that you're going to.

866
01:02:07,096 --> 01:02:13,076
And it's especially awesome right now because everyone on Nostra this early is going to be super dialed in,

867
01:02:13,076 --> 01:02:17,256
crazy carnivore bitcoiners who are going to really know those seed oil free restaurants

868
01:02:17,256 --> 01:02:23,876
so this will change in the future where there's more and more people joining but still you choose

869
01:02:23,876 --> 01:02:29,336
who you follow on there and who your web of trust will be and what information you see on these

870
01:02:29,336 --> 01:02:37,436
places so as it scales it's super exciting if you see the way i explain what's atlantis is i try to

871
01:02:37,436 --> 01:02:45,036
use the familiar keywords that normies are used to, and I try to avoid those taboo words.

872
01:02:45,036 --> 01:02:46,676
So I never used Bitcoin.

873
01:02:46,976 --> 01:02:47,956
I never used Noster.

874
01:02:48,776 --> 01:02:51,976
So this is, we are using a technology.

875
01:02:52,116 --> 01:02:53,176
It's like how email works.

876
01:02:53,296 --> 01:02:53,776
Who cares?

877
01:02:54,096 --> 01:02:58,116
They can send you an email from ProtonMail to Gmail, and you can resend it to Outlook.

878
01:02:58,196 --> 01:02:58,596
Who cares?

879
01:02:58,676 --> 01:02:59,056
It works.

880
01:02:59,756 --> 01:03:05,656
So yeah, for the more hardcore audience, yes, we're using Noster, Underline, and we use

881
01:03:05,656 --> 01:03:06,036
all these.

882
01:03:06,036 --> 01:03:07,876
we have this Bitcoin.

883
01:03:08,576 --> 01:03:10,076
It's this bubble at the moment,

884
01:03:10,356 --> 01:03:11,456
but this is just temporarily.

885
01:03:12,256 --> 01:03:13,856
And that's why we're tackling

886
01:03:13,856 --> 01:03:15,576
to all these other types of communities.

887
01:03:15,976 --> 01:03:16,676
So if you're a Bitcoiner,

888
01:03:16,756 --> 01:03:17,576
you'll see Bitcoin things.

889
01:03:17,896 --> 01:03:18,756
If you are a Nomad,

890
01:03:18,796 --> 01:03:19,716
you'll see Nomad things.

891
01:03:20,136 --> 01:03:21,276
It's just the web of trust,

892
01:03:21,456 --> 01:03:22,116
the social graph,

893
01:03:22,256 --> 01:03:26,476
those technicalities that Noster boosts.

894
01:03:27,076 --> 01:03:30,396
And that's the real value of this app.

895
01:03:30,956 --> 01:03:31,776
People, Normies,

896
01:03:32,036 --> 01:03:33,796
they will never understand how this works

897
01:03:33,796 --> 01:03:34,316
and they will say,

898
01:03:34,716 --> 01:03:35,816
wow, it works.

899
01:03:36,036 --> 01:03:38,116
It works so seamlessly well.

900
01:03:39,256 --> 01:03:44,596
And then the curious will start looking, oh, okay, there is a protocol,

901
01:03:45,596 --> 01:03:49,936
okay, web of trust, social network, Nostar.

902
01:03:50,636 --> 01:03:51,536
It doesn't matter.

903
01:03:51,936 --> 01:03:52,576
It just works.

904
01:03:55,156 --> 01:03:56,416
Yeah, absolutely.

905
01:03:56,416 --> 01:04:02,136
And another point I want to bring up here, which I'll maybe push back on you a little bit,

906
01:04:02,176 --> 01:04:04,496
where you say this is primarily for frequent travelers.

907
01:04:04,496 --> 01:04:22,996
I'm thinking this is also great for people who are total homebodies and just want to lock down in one location because what they can do is they can either establish if it doesn't exist yet or join the ambassador team for a specific city, which I did myself for Seattle.

908
01:04:22,996 --> 01:04:26,996
I created the Seattle page and I need to go back and check on it.

909
01:04:27,056 --> 01:04:29,316
It's been a little while since I looked at the updates there.

910
01:04:29,436 --> 01:04:32,316
But essentially you can, you can,

911
01:04:32,436 --> 01:04:37,456
you can establish your city on this protocol and you can put in a bunch of

912
01:04:37,456 --> 01:04:38,336
information about it.

913
01:04:38,376 --> 01:04:42,296
You can just start things off with recommended gyms and restaurants and places

914
01:04:42,296 --> 01:04:43,236
to go have fun.

915
01:04:43,936 --> 01:04:47,136
And since you're someone that knows your city very well,

916
01:04:47,136 --> 01:04:49,916
you can help provide value to other people who want to travel there.

917
01:04:49,916 --> 01:04:56,096
And then you can earn sats and zaps for the content you're creating and the recommendations you're making.

918
01:04:56,956 --> 01:05:03,576
And so it doesn't matter if you're the one that's traveling to a place or if you're the person that lives in that place and knows it very well.

919
01:05:04,116 --> 01:05:07,236
Value transaction is seamless for both sides, which is amazing.

920
01:05:08,156 --> 01:05:15,736
So when we approach to the frequent travelers, to the nomads, it's because, you know, like the Pareto law, right?

921
01:05:15,736 --> 01:05:21,976
like 20% of the network will be producers and 80% will be consumers.

922
01:05:22,616 --> 01:05:27,176
So travelers are normally the consumers, it's this 80%. But of course, we need the 20

923
01:05:27,736 --> 01:05:33,016
ambassadors that are, 20% of ambassadors that are the ones creating the content. And if not ambassadors,

924
01:05:33,016 --> 01:05:39,816
just people that live locally there. And this is the beginning on how we get these people to use it.

925
01:05:39,816 --> 01:05:54,778
And there is one thing that I normally say when I go to nomadic conferences is that nomads are nomads temporarily until they settle down And they are nomads because we humans used to be nomads

926
01:05:55,198 --> 01:05:59,898
And we settled down when we either found a nice place to settle

927
01:05:59,898 --> 01:06:03,398
or if we didn't find it, we created our own.

928
01:06:03,598 --> 01:06:10,038
So that's why the civilizations and cities, the networks, the states.

929
01:06:10,038 --> 01:06:18,138
So these nomads or frequent travelers one day will retire of being nomads.

930
01:06:18,618 --> 01:06:23,598
And they will become, if they decide to retire in their hometown, they will be locals.

931
01:06:23,898 --> 01:06:28,998
If they retire temporarily in a place that is on their hometown, they might become expats.

932
01:06:29,618 --> 01:06:38,218
And if they decide to merge, to connect with the locals, they can end up becoming locals.

933
01:06:38,218 --> 01:06:48,958
So everything is temporary and we are trying to help these people that is going from one stage in their life to another to offer them all the information they need.

934
01:06:48,958 --> 01:06:50,998
And then in Sanlantis, there is another thing I didn't explain.

935
01:06:51,658 --> 01:06:52,998
We are a database as well.

936
01:06:53,538 --> 01:06:56,838
Database of information about the city.

937
01:06:57,218 --> 01:06:58,618
Can I drink the water from the tap?

938
01:06:59,238 --> 01:07:00,698
Well, you better know that in advance.

939
01:07:00,698 --> 01:07:07,538
If not, you're going to have to visit your bathroom a couple of times until you discover that, ah, that's the reason why you're visiting the bathroom.

940
01:07:07,538 --> 01:07:11,318
or what type of electric plug do I have to have?

941
01:07:11,398 --> 01:07:12,718
Do I need to have like an adapter?

942
01:07:13,038 --> 01:07:14,478
Do I have to need to have a converter?

943
01:07:15,238 --> 01:07:16,078
It just happened to me.

944
01:07:16,158 --> 01:07:18,338
I was in Dublin a couple of weeks ago

945
01:07:18,338 --> 01:07:19,998
and I felt so smart like, oh, I'm European.

946
01:07:20,078 --> 01:07:20,738
I know about Europe.

947
01:07:21,378 --> 01:07:22,838
And I didn't bring the electric adapter.

948
01:07:23,418 --> 01:07:23,658
Fuck.

949
01:07:24,178 --> 01:07:25,318
So I had to buy a new one there.

950
01:07:25,738 --> 01:07:26,878
This information is in Atlantis.

951
01:07:26,978 --> 01:07:28,918
I'm not even, I felt, you know,

952
01:07:28,938 --> 01:07:31,738
it's like this ego thing that I'm telling you.

953
01:07:32,018 --> 01:07:34,138
Sometimes we need to understand that we need these tools.

954
01:07:34,138 --> 01:07:35,558
They make our lives easier.

955
01:07:35,618 --> 01:07:37,038
And this information is freely available

956
01:07:37,038 --> 01:07:40,058
on YouTube, on ChatGPT, on databases, on Google.

957
01:07:40,838 --> 01:07:43,058
What we're doing is we're trying to put it all together.

958
01:07:43,318 --> 01:07:45,258
And when you're trying to discover your next destination,

959
01:07:45,578 --> 01:07:48,758
if somebody has done all this effort to put it in a centralized way

960
01:07:48,758 --> 01:07:51,838
so you don't have to think, what currency?

961
01:07:51,918 --> 01:07:53,578
Do I have to use another currency there?

962
01:07:54,158 --> 01:07:57,458
Or what type of internet connection is there?

963
01:07:57,958 --> 01:08:00,838
Like all this information, we put it all together for you.

964
01:08:00,838 --> 01:08:05,218
So it's not only, it's like a database that through that database

965
01:08:05,218 --> 01:08:08,378
you can discover new people, which is the social network.

966
01:08:08,758 --> 01:08:13,078
And then, as you say, Ben, it's like you just grasp the idea very easily.

967
01:08:13,978 --> 01:08:14,998
It's a database.

968
01:08:15,598 --> 01:08:17,878
From the database, you can create connections.

969
01:08:18,578 --> 01:08:22,018
And one way of connecting to people, we have language,

970
01:08:22,158 --> 01:08:24,058
and another communication tool is money.

971
01:08:24,358 --> 01:08:26,758
So it's commerce.

972
01:08:27,378 --> 01:08:28,418
So we have this map.

973
01:08:28,498 --> 01:08:29,358
You can post content.

974
01:08:29,478 --> 01:08:30,398
You can post things.

975
01:08:31,118 --> 01:08:33,678
Maybe you have a practice, dental practice.

976
01:08:33,678 --> 01:08:38,958
You want to share it there with, and you can share the pictures of your clients that with

977
01:08:38,958 --> 01:08:41,278
a better smile, the before and the after smile.

978
01:08:41,278 --> 01:08:42,738
Do it.

979
01:08:42,738 --> 01:08:46,578
We just want people to connect with different reasons.

980
01:08:46,578 --> 01:08:49,998
Maybe you want to connect because you're a dancer and you want to learn to dance.

981
01:08:49,998 --> 01:08:50,998
Okay.

982
01:08:50,998 --> 01:08:51,998
Go to your dancing classes.

983
01:08:51,998 --> 01:08:57,238
Or maybe you're a tax advisor and you want, I don't know, financial advisor or whatever.

984
01:08:57,238 --> 01:08:58,978
So it's a social network.

985
01:08:58,978 --> 01:09:01,798
So we have these three steps.

986
01:09:01,798 --> 01:09:07,238
that's a database, social network to meet people, and commerce to promote all these people,

987
01:09:07,238 --> 01:09:12,758
merge or talk to each other. And that's why I believe by doing that, it's like we are trying to

988
01:09:14,598 --> 01:09:21,078
kickstart or we want to help kickstart circular economies in these places. Because normally in

989
01:09:21,078 --> 01:09:29,398
these places, the foreigner comes with money, the white man comes with money to this poor place,

990
01:09:29,398 --> 01:09:31,198
and then they think, oh, I'm the king here.

991
01:09:31,398 --> 01:09:34,518
And then the locals hate them, but they're taking their money,

992
01:09:34,798 --> 01:09:35,438
but they hate them.

993
01:09:35,438 --> 01:09:38,038
But, you know, it's like we're trying to bridge the gap

994
01:09:38,038 --> 01:09:40,918
between locals, tourists, frequent travelers,

995
01:09:40,918 --> 01:09:45,598
so they all feel part of the same community,

996
01:09:45,818 --> 01:09:46,518
which is difficult.

997
01:09:46,738 --> 01:09:48,598
It's a big endeavor.

998
01:09:48,838 --> 01:09:50,818
I don't know if we will be able to make it.

999
01:09:50,918 --> 01:09:51,658
I come from Barcelona.

1000
01:09:51,778 --> 01:09:53,918
In Barcelona, you go to the States and you see graffiti saying,

1001
01:09:54,318 --> 01:09:56,818
tourists go home, nomads go home.

1002
01:09:56,818 --> 01:10:02,618
And it's because we do not understand the value that foreigners can bring.

1003
01:10:03,258 --> 01:10:08,038
And because they don't speak the local language, because they think that money is a language,

1004
01:10:08,218 --> 01:10:13,198
they think that money will be a language enough to understand each other.

1005
01:10:14,018 --> 01:10:20,658
And then there are like these frictions between what type of resident and the other.

1006
01:10:20,658 --> 01:10:30,438
So what we're trying to do is to create this tool so locals can promote their businesses and get engaged with the travelers.

1007
01:10:30,698 --> 01:10:31,278
Who knows?

1008
01:10:31,318 --> 01:10:37,098
Maybe they fall in love with the city and decide to buy land and create some businesses there.

1009
01:10:37,858 --> 01:10:42,398
Or, I don't know, just stay there and then help to grow the economy.

1010
01:10:42,398 --> 01:10:52,338
and there's infinite potential for new features and information that can be built into these

1011
01:10:52,338 --> 01:10:56,778
city profiles on satlantis and you're talking about how there's lots of questions people have

1012
01:10:56,778 --> 01:11:02,498
going to a place your example was what kind of plug do they need one example for me personally

1013
01:11:02,498 --> 01:11:07,158
is i'm coming to prog as well soon is just researching figuring out what paperwork do i

1014
01:11:07,158 --> 01:11:12,378
need as american do i need some stupid proof that i have some money do i need proof of this

1015
01:11:12,378 --> 01:11:17,458
proof of that whatever because like all this red tape that is now part of the flying process as we

1016
01:11:17,458 --> 01:11:22,038
talked about getting more and more complicated and so that's one of the things that i have to go out

1017
01:11:22,038 --> 01:11:27,578
of my way and just do my own research and read reddit posts from strangers on the internet who

1018
01:11:27,578 --> 01:11:31,918
have gone through his experience and i see oh this was posted three years ago has it changed since

1019
01:11:31,918 --> 01:11:37,418
then i have to go research some more and a lot of the times you still go to the airport things are

1020
01:11:37,418 --> 01:11:42,658
is completely different than what the what the internet told you so things like this where you

1021
01:11:42,658 --> 01:11:49,958
need to get good information from people you trust that's recent we need a better place for that to

1022
01:11:49,958 --> 01:11:55,818
be all conglomerated where we can learn these things and be better prepared and just take away

1023
01:11:55,818 --> 01:12:02,178
the stress and uncertainty and i'm not saying that satlantis has all the right answers but we have

1024
01:12:02,178 --> 01:12:04,738
a centralized place to gather all these answers.

1025
01:12:05,158 --> 01:12:07,738
So at the beginning, we paid all these databases.

1026
01:12:08,378 --> 01:12:12,938
We found data sources.

1027
01:12:13,298 --> 01:12:16,458
We connected with people like you to become our ambassadors.

1028
01:12:16,878 --> 01:12:22,058
And we are crowdsourcing all these efforts to have as spot on information as we can.

1029
01:12:22,498 --> 01:12:24,898
And in the future, we want to open it to anybody.

1030
01:12:24,898 --> 01:12:27,258
So if you go to, now you're going to Brad as well.

1031
01:12:27,738 --> 01:12:31,398
If you find out that the paperwork is difficult, I want you to be able to change it.

1032
01:12:31,398 --> 01:12:38,678
legal, paperwork, difficult. So then, maybe to me it doesn't matter because I'm already European and to me,

1033
01:12:38,678 --> 01:12:45,478
paperwork for me will be easier. But if you, if other people has the same similarities, then they will see

1034
01:12:45,478 --> 01:12:53,318
your paperwork is difficult message before than mine, because you are like-minded. And this is the power of

1035
01:12:53,318 --> 01:12:58,998
the web of trust and the social graph that Noster provides you. So I just want to encourage everyone

1036
01:12:58,998 --> 01:13:01,338
to create an account on Satlantis

1037
01:13:01,338 --> 01:13:04,598
and not stay on Satlantis if you don't want to,

1038
01:13:04,898 --> 01:13:05,638
but use it.

1039
01:13:06,378 --> 01:13:08,378
Use it on Primal, use it on Damus,

1040
01:13:08,518 --> 01:13:09,878
use it on Fountain,

1041
01:13:10,178 --> 01:13:12,878
use it on all the ecosystem of Nostar apps

1042
01:13:12,878 --> 01:13:14,718
so then you start building your profile.

1043
01:13:15,078 --> 01:13:16,238
And if you care about your privacy,

1044
01:13:16,678 --> 01:13:17,918
doesn't matter, don't give me your name,

1045
01:13:18,058 --> 01:13:19,138
just create a pseudonym,

1046
01:13:19,498 --> 01:13:21,858
but teach the algorithm

1047
01:13:21,858 --> 01:13:24,798
or teach the social graph

1048
01:13:24,798 --> 01:13:26,178
to understand who you are

1049
01:13:26,178 --> 01:13:28,978
so then you will have a more personalized experience.

1050
01:13:29,398 --> 01:13:32,058
And again, if you care about your privacy, never say your real name.

1051
01:13:32,158 --> 01:13:32,498
It doesn't matter.

1052
01:13:32,598 --> 01:13:33,258
I don't need to know it.

1053
01:13:33,298 --> 01:13:34,098
Nobody needs to know it.

1054
01:13:37,418 --> 01:13:38,158
Absolutely agree.

1055
01:13:38,578 --> 01:13:40,338
So we mentioned Prague here.

1056
01:13:40,438 --> 01:13:44,418
I know that Prague is going to be a big moment for Atlantis.

1057
01:13:44,538 --> 01:13:48,678
There's a lot of stuff rolling out that is going to be tested out in real time.

1058
01:13:48,678 --> 01:13:54,158
I believe Alex told me this is going to be, is it like the official app of the conference

1059
01:13:54,158 --> 01:13:56,158
that people are going to be used for the meetups and everything?

1060
01:13:56,158 --> 01:14:01,598
So tell me about the plans for Prague and how this is going to be a big launching point for

1061
01:14:01,598 --> 01:14:03,118
SatLantis and what comes next.

1062
01:14:03,418 --> 01:14:05,498
Well, we've been building SatLantis for one year now.

1063
01:14:06,358 --> 01:14:10,478
And building an app on Nostra, it's exhausting.

1064
01:14:10,798 --> 01:14:13,158
And he can tell you more, but it's exhausting.

1065
01:14:13,318 --> 01:14:15,798
Everything costs 10 times more.

1066
01:14:16,398 --> 01:14:18,558
Cost, and I'm not only talking money, I'm talking energy.

1067
01:14:18,818 --> 01:14:20,658
I'm talking about headaches.

1068
01:14:20,658 --> 01:14:28,658
So what we're trying to do is we partnered with BTC Prague to be the site events, official partner.

1069
01:14:28,658 --> 01:14:32,658
So every site event that you see in Prague will be hosted on Satlantis.

1070
01:14:32,658 --> 01:14:41,658
Meaning if you want to go to any site event, and I recommend you guys to go to the one on Sunday, because it's the one that Satlantis is sponsoring.

1071
01:14:41,658 --> 01:14:47,658
It will have like this site event during the morning will be last day and we will have like good steak and good food.

1072
01:14:47,658 --> 01:14:55,998
good food. I invite you guys to use it, to reserve your spot there, because with the

1073
01:14:55,998 --> 01:15:02,518
excuse of an event, with the excuse of any side event of BTC Prague, we are onboarding

1074
01:15:02,518 --> 01:15:08,418
you on Nostrad, and that's our goal. And because Nostrad doesn't matter, today you can sign

1075
01:15:08,418 --> 01:15:13,638
in on Satlantis, but then tomorrow you can jump to another app. That's the value. So

1076
01:15:13,638 --> 01:15:17,477
So what we're trying to do is with the excuse of those events to onboard most people on

1077
01:15:17,477 --> 01:15:21,038
Nostar and see the value, the benefits of being on this network.

1078
01:15:21,038 --> 01:15:22,638
And if you like it, then you stay there.

1079
01:15:22,638 --> 01:15:27,358
So you come for the tool because if you want to enter to this event, you have to register.

1080
01:15:27,358 --> 01:15:30,738
You have to show me registration on your phone at the door.

1081
01:15:30,738 --> 01:15:34,438
But then maybe you end up like browsing around.

1082
01:15:34,438 --> 01:15:35,438
What's going on in Prague?

1083
01:15:35,438 --> 01:15:40,458
Oh, I joined for this event, but oh, look, Ben is also going.

1084
01:15:40,458 --> 01:15:51,339
What is Ben posting about Prague you post a sunrise I don know some landmark Oh I like Ben pictures I will follow him And maybe you post your next podcast on Fountain

1085
01:15:51,339 --> 01:15:51,859
I will see it.

1086
01:15:52,299 --> 01:15:55,119
I will see it there on South Atlantic as well, because it's Nostor.

1087
01:15:55,159 --> 01:15:55,899
It's the same.

1088
01:15:55,899 --> 01:16:00,139
So maybe with that excuse, people will start onboarding to Nostor.

1089
01:16:00,499 --> 01:16:02,439
I know other apps, they do different things.

1090
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:06,319
Like maybe they give you some initial cash on Bitcoin.

1091
01:16:06,319 --> 01:16:08,419
So then you can start playing around.

1092
01:16:08,839 --> 01:16:10,159
We are not a wallet.

1093
01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:13,059
we are a tool for travelers.

1094
01:16:13,059 --> 01:16:19,339
So we want to help you discover your next activity to do wherever you go.

1095
01:16:19,659 --> 01:16:20,899
And we are very excited.

1096
01:16:21,099 --> 01:16:25,059
And there will be some announcements in Prague.

1097
01:16:25,119 --> 01:16:26,339
I don't know if I can say this.

1098
01:16:26,679 --> 01:16:31,939
Maybe when this episode is released, this already happened.

1099
01:16:32,599 --> 01:16:38,059
Because we are building a tool with the help of our users,

1100
01:16:38,059 --> 01:16:44,939
I think that it's enough that we asked enough from our users to help us give all the feedback

1101
01:16:44,939 --> 01:16:52,319
for free. So we are opening a crowdfunding campaign. So users will be able to not only

1102
01:16:52,319 --> 01:16:58,419
participate just because now every person that has an idea how to improve the app,

1103
01:16:58,759 --> 01:17:03,379
they're contacting Alex, me or anybody on the team. They're working for us for free.

1104
01:17:03,779 --> 01:17:07,319
So what we thought is like, we will open a crowdfunding campaign. So these users that

1105
01:17:07,319 --> 01:17:11,439
are helping us can also be co-owners of the company.

1106
01:17:11,539 --> 01:17:14,659
This is something that will be announced in one or two weeks.

1107
01:17:15,559 --> 01:17:20,519
Maybe if this episode is released later, I don't know, just have a look.

1108
01:17:20,539 --> 01:17:22,119
I can hold off until it's out, yeah.

1109
01:17:22,519 --> 01:17:22,899
Thank you.

1110
01:17:22,959 --> 01:17:27,539
No, the thing is that I don't know for how long the crowdfunding campaign will be open.

1111
01:17:27,619 --> 01:17:31,039
So maybe you're listening to this and you cannot participate in the crowdfunding campaign

1112
01:17:31,039 --> 01:17:32,639
anymore.

1113
01:17:32,639 --> 01:17:38,959
but this is something big that we are you know we want to give back and to build something

1114
01:17:38,959 --> 01:17:44,739
together with our users and this will be for non-accredited investors big disclaimer this

1115
01:17:44,739 --> 01:17:49,259
is investing in startups if you don't know what it means don't even look into it it's the same as

1116
01:17:49,259 --> 01:17:54,099
going to bitcoin if you don't know what it is just investment in startups is very risky

1117
01:17:54,099 --> 01:18:01,039
very cool i'm excited for all this man it just seems like things are humming so fast for you

1118
01:18:01,039 --> 01:18:04,999
guys i can't wait to see all the stuff that you've been working on behind the scenes because

1119
01:18:04,999 --> 01:18:12,619
it's the need is clearly there for everyone i mean really everyone can benefit from this

1120
01:18:12,619 --> 01:18:17,299
because like i said earlier everyone uses google maps everyone is figuring out what restaurant they

1121
01:18:17,299 --> 01:18:25,319
want to go to and it's this is a great way to integrate that nostr flair to it the trust and

1122
01:18:25,319 --> 01:18:30,659
the freedom and the instant value for value transaction. I'm already thinking because I,

1123
01:18:30,859 --> 01:18:35,279
as I mentioned earlier, I made a page for Seattle, but I want, I might want to make a page for my

1124
01:18:35,279 --> 01:18:39,119
little hometown of Coopville here on Woodby Island, which is a couple hours north of Seattle.

1125
01:18:39,119 --> 01:18:44,099
Just it's a small town. I want more Bitcoiners to come there and enjoy it like I have all these

1126
01:18:44,099 --> 01:18:49,899
years. So definitely encourage people listening to go make it, make a city profile for where you

1127
01:18:49,899 --> 01:18:54,739
live. That's a great place to start, no matter how big or small it is. And that will put you on

1128
01:18:54,739 --> 01:18:58,999
a map quite literally and put you on a nostril map where we're so early that if you're from a

1129
01:18:58,999 --> 01:19:03,219
small town it probably won't be on there so you can you can be a trailblazer for your homeland

1130
01:19:03,219 --> 01:19:08,879
which is awesome and and you can meet other like-minded people so because maybe there are

1131
01:19:08,879 --> 01:19:13,219
others like you and you think that you are alone because this is what normally happens to us

1132
01:19:13,219 --> 01:19:19,099
bitcoiners freedom seekers and and frequent travelers and as you were saying ben it doesn't

1133
01:19:19,099 --> 01:19:23,459
even matter you don't even have to be a traveler if you can just go use use the map to find to

1134
01:19:23,459 --> 01:19:28,299
discover places or the most important, you know, it's to discover people through the events.

1135
01:19:28,419 --> 01:19:33,579
Because when you go to an event, you can see who's the host. You can see what he posted. If

1136
01:19:33,579 --> 01:19:37,199
there are co-hosts, you can see it. You can see where this event takes place. So you can see the

1137
01:19:37,199 --> 01:19:42,199
venue. Maybe it's a local restaurant or a co-working. You can see the attendees. So maybe you can start

1138
01:19:42,199 --> 01:19:47,259
following people. If you are not sure on, shall I go to this event? Would it be for me? You can be

1139
01:19:47,259 --> 01:19:49,179
on the shadows, you know,

1140
01:19:50,339 --> 01:19:51,979
discovering if this is for you.

1141
01:19:52,499 --> 01:19:54,159
And then if you feel like

1142
01:19:54,159 --> 01:19:55,499
you can even connect with people

1143
01:19:55,499 --> 01:19:57,659
and message the host,

1144
01:19:58,379 --> 01:19:59,159
Ben, is this for me?

1145
01:19:59,239 --> 01:20:00,939
Is this meta?

1146
01:20:01,659 --> 01:20:02,099
I don't know.

1147
01:20:02,399 --> 01:20:04,739
So we're trying to help people

1148
01:20:04,739 --> 01:20:07,519
to get people with the same mindset

1149
01:20:07,519 --> 01:20:10,119
to connect to each other.

1150
01:20:10,619 --> 01:20:11,459
And this is not what

1151
01:20:11,459 --> 01:20:14,299
traditional social media platforms are doing.

1152
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:16,319
That's why I was so clear at the beginning

1153
01:20:16,319 --> 01:20:26,479
that we have social network network no social media platform so exciting i i love talking about

1154
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:30,879
it anytime i'm talking about nostr in general i get excited but this specifically because this

1155
01:20:30,879 --> 01:20:34,959
really fits with my own life and a lot of people that i know so i know that people listening

1156
01:20:34,959 --> 01:20:41,519
are going to get a lot out of it so last question for you sir i want to hear your cosmic super

1157
01:20:41,519 --> 01:20:47,339
bullish case for the future here. What do you envision this turning into long term? Because

1158
01:20:47,339 --> 01:20:54,039
it's pulling so many things together, obviously. It's a lot of, and I talked with Alex about this

1159
01:20:54,039 --> 01:20:58,599
on our episode together. It's hard to really explain to people what this is simply because

1160
01:20:58,599 --> 01:21:03,499
it's kind of like meetup. It's kind of like Facebook groups. It's got Yelp. It's got all

1161
01:21:03,499 --> 01:21:09,199
these things together, but something huge is there. So what do you envision for the long-term

1162
01:21:09,199 --> 01:21:13,879
future for this, given that adoption increases on Nostra, which I think we all predict will

1163
01:21:13,879 --> 01:21:14,539
happen eventually.

1164
01:21:14,979 --> 01:21:17,419
So to me, there is one word that defines this.

1165
01:21:18,699 --> 01:21:25,619
And for the folks that have lived in Asia, maybe it resonates with them.

1166
01:21:26,859 --> 01:21:28,259
Atlantis will become a super app.

1167
01:21:30,359 --> 01:21:32,219
It's a tool where you can do anything.

1168
01:21:32,219 --> 01:21:47,039
The problem with Asian super apps like WeChat and China or others in Korea, they have like cacao in Korea, is that they are centralized.

1169
01:21:47,939 --> 01:21:54,359
So once you are big enough, you know the incentives of opening back doors.

1170
01:21:54,359 --> 01:22:02,759
And even if you have a good heart, somebody will force you to open a backdoor and all this data will be leaked and all the money will be traced and blah, blah, blah, blah.

1171
01:22:03,119 --> 01:22:11,319
So I think that we have the chance because many app builders have tried to build super apps and nobody has succeeded.

1172
01:22:12,139 --> 01:22:12,759
Uber is trying.

1173
01:22:13,039 --> 01:22:20,319
Uber started like ride sharing app and because they have so much money from investors, they started playing around with different experiments.

1174
01:22:20,319 --> 01:22:26,679
You know, it's not only transporting people now, but driving self-driving cars or food.

1175
01:22:27,679 --> 01:22:33,799
And so we think that, I think that Atlantis has the power of becoming this super app.

1176
01:22:34,079 --> 01:22:35,359
And then you can do anything.

1177
01:22:35,519 --> 01:22:39,959
And if you don't like it, you jump to another app because you can bring your, you can pack

1178
01:22:39,959 --> 01:22:42,819
your bags and bring your identity from one app to another.

1179
01:22:42,819 --> 01:22:53,459
And I think that's, and I don't have a crystal ball, but I believe that other apps didn't succeed on becoming super apps because of some reason.

1180
01:22:53,999 --> 01:23:02,679
And I believe, I want to believe that it was because nobody wants to be that big, that powerful in the Western world.

1181
01:23:02,799 --> 01:23:07,079
In Asia, it happened because they have a different mindset.

1182
01:23:07,079 --> 01:23:14,819
So I believe that this portability of your identity can help us to build a real super app.

1183
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:20,759
That's very interesting that you mention that because that makes total sense to me.

1184
01:23:20,879 --> 01:23:33,199
If I were an app developer, entrepreneur who had a huge dream for a giant app that would have all these things in the U.S., I would be thinking long term, like, oh, man, the government's so big, it's going to try to capture this thing at some point.

1185
01:23:33,239 --> 01:23:33,999
It's going to be a honeypot.

1186
01:23:33,999 --> 01:23:41,719
and so this is thinking with that in mind it comes with all these this freedom ethos

1187
01:23:41,719 --> 01:23:49,159
into it since it's on nostre which really protects you for the future and that's super exciting

1188
01:23:49,159 --> 01:23:53,639
because this is also going to inspire lots of other people who may have ideas for apps that

1189
01:23:53,639 --> 01:23:58,039
they want to build on nostre as well and you mentioned uber there and i know that i don't

1190
01:23:58,039 --> 01:24:02,379
even remember what's called but i know that there's an uber like nostre client already made

1191
01:24:02,379 --> 01:24:04,799
that someone talked about on a Twitter space recently.

1192
01:24:04,919 --> 01:24:05,679
I don't remember what it's called,

1193
01:24:05,779 --> 01:24:08,899
but all these apps that people know and love

1194
01:24:08,899 --> 01:24:11,479
are going to have Nostra versions eventually.

1195
01:24:11,819 --> 01:24:14,499
And don't feel bad if you're just making a straight clone of it

1196
01:24:14,499 --> 01:24:16,119
because you're providing great value.

1197
01:24:16,679 --> 01:24:18,519
Something that's already proven to be valuable

1198
01:24:18,519 --> 01:24:22,039
and have a use case is now just on the Freedom Protocol

1199
01:24:22,039 --> 01:24:24,719
and can bring in people's entire social graph

1200
01:24:24,719 --> 01:24:27,699
and the instant peer-to-peer transactions of Bitcoin.

1201
01:24:28,019 --> 01:24:30,919
So just so many exciting possibilities

1202
01:24:30,919 --> 01:24:35,979
head for sat lantus nostril and beyond i can't wait i know you can't wait and i hope listeners

1203
01:24:35,979 --> 01:24:39,779
are very excited to hear about all this getting some more nostril hype in here it's been a few

1204
01:24:39,779 --> 01:24:45,179
episodes as we did that so excellent jordy it's been an absolute pleasure talking to you sir i

1205
01:24:45,179 --> 01:24:51,139
cannot wait to meet you over in europe as we all converge into prog to to play with all this stuff

1206
01:24:51,139 --> 01:24:56,079
meet some more cool traveling bitcoiners and ostriches and uh just nothing but excitement

1207
01:24:56,079 --> 01:25:00,879
for the future sir so where can people go follow you and plug in further to this project

1208
01:25:00,879 --> 01:25:24,579
So, yeah, thank you very much again for inviting me. I'll see you very, very soon. If somebody wants to reach out, just follow me here, satlantis.io slash Jordi or search for Jordi Young on Twitter or on LinkedIn. I'm around on Bitcoin conferences. Come say hi in person. Drop me a DM and happy to connect in person.

1209
01:25:24,579 --> 01:25:30,819
amazing can't wait for it sir it's going to be a great time lots of exciting times ahead and

1210
01:25:30,819 --> 01:25:35,139
we'll be in touch my friend looking forward to doing another episode in the future when more

1211
01:25:35,139 --> 01:25:38,519
things are coming out there's more to talk about because we'll always have things to talk about so

1212
01:25:38,519 --> 01:25:40,699
i can't wait definitely let's do it