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Hey, everyone. Thank you for joining another episode of the Plant-Free MD Podcast. I'm your

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host, Dr. Anthony Chafee. And today I have a very special guest, my friend, Mr. Ben Wehrman,

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who is joining me down from, I believe, Mexico. At least that's what it was last time. Ben,

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how are you doing? I am back in the beautiful state of Washington,

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just to hop skipping away from our old alma mater. Oh, nice.

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to mexico tomorrow though actually oh very good yeah nice and uh you're in seattle now or where

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you at yeah would be islands where the home base is yeah nice very good it's ben how you doing man

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it's good to see you i'm doing awesome dr chafee i really appreciate you bringing me on so we can

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have a round two together i had a blast last time was just listening to it a couple nights ago going

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for a walk through town and just thinking man it's so awesome that we get to do this just record these

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conversations put them out on the internet anyone can listen to them download them just have it out

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there for free i love what we do man it's awesome it's too much fun and just having a blast with it

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yeah awesome me too man so um for people who haven't come across you before can you tell us

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tell us a bit about you and what you do absolutely so i can give just a bit of backstory i suppose

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would be in order uh quickly to speed through my very young life pretty standard american diet i'd

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call it standard American diet. Plus we did our best. My family loved me very much. They always

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did what they thought was best for me. We had very little super obvious process crap. We had

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lots of fruits and vegetables and grains and cereal for breakfast because eggs are bad. And we

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had chicken for the meat because red meat is bad. I probably had red meat like once a month, but

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every time it was around, I was scarfing it down. The primal Ben inside of me knew that I needed

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this meat. So I was always hunting the meat down. It's always been in there. So that took me till

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about 2022. I would say this is when things started getting a little more interesting. And

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I have a unique entryway into the carnivore world that I'm excited to share because I don't believe

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I've heard anyone on your podcast have a similar story. In one word, it would be Bitcoin or Bitcoiners

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more specifically. I got very involved in the Bitcoin scene from 2020. And then in 2022,

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I was in Austin, Texas, where there's a huge Bitcoin mecca. There are lots of meetups.

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And I'm not sure if you know the Bitcoin or stereotype, but Bitcoin people love meat.

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There's a lot of carnivore Bitcoiners. And for that reason, there's a small bridge there,

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but I'm trying to build it bigger. And I'll go more into that later when I'm going to do that.

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But anyway, I went to a bunch of these Bitcoin meetups. There's just mountains of meat in all

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these meetups. And I'm just thinking at that point, it's still like, man, that can't really

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be good for you. Like I'm seeing all these Bitcoiners just eating, just scarfing down

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whole plates full of meat, no carbs anywhere to be found. And I still think it's kind of weird at

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that point. But the more time I spend around these people, the more I realize that they're just right

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about everything. Like these are really hardcore researchers. They're first principles thinkers.

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They really know their stuff. So soften me up on the meat thing. I was always scrolling on social

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media like every other NPC does on in the morning. I'm going through the social media reels,

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Instagram reels, and I start seeing about seed oils being bad. So I think, okay, this,

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this is making sense. Maybe engine lubricant isn't great to be in my body. So I cut that out.

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and the place I lived in Austin, Texas had a pool with beach chairs around it. So I could test

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this theory that I kept hearing that cutting seed oils makes it so you don't sunburn anymore.

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Cause growing up in the Pacific Northwest, I would burn in like 20 minutes and the very mild

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sunlight here, my whole life growing up, I always was caking on the sunscreen cause I thought it was

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the best thing to do and so i tried out uh just cutting seed oils out and just seeing what

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happened and lo and behold after a few months of no seed oils i wasn't even carnivore yet but just

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no seed oils i could lay out in that beach chair for hours and just get tanned so i thought that

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was pretty cool like the things you put in your mouth are actually affecting how you look and feel

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that's awesome so just continued digging down that rabbit hole i went into the whole animal based

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thing in 2023 do the the meat fruit and honey settled there for a little while and like a lot

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of people i thought that was oh this has to be it this has to be the best because you know honey is

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has these magical properties are somehow good for you and i mean of course fruit is good for you

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because it's it comes from nature right totally not just super hybridized over thousands of years

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or anything. So doing that. And then I find Mr. Anthony Chafee's podcast, the plant free MD

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that's around halfway through 2023. And your podcast is what totally took me to the final

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stage. I would call the bottom of the rabbit hole carnivore diet. I finally cut those fruit out,

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said, let's try this, see what happens. And, uh, went all in from there. And this actually

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coincided perfectly with a trip I was doing to Colombia. And I thought this works great.

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Going to a place where the meat's a lot cheaper. And I was also going with a friend who was also

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just like me. His name is Peruvian Bull on Twitter. Anyone in the finance world will know him. He's

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got over 100,000 followers over there. And he was coming into this with quite bad insomnia for most

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of his life. He almost called the trip off because he was getting like two or three hours of sleep

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for months on end, having a really bad time with that and just having mental issues because of it,

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going to the hospital. And so I had seen enough at this point to think, bro, this might actually

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help out with that. This diet may help your brain. It could just be a fat deficiency. So

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why don't you try this with me? Let's do it together. So we both flew on over to Columbia,

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moved into our hostel and just went on a shopping spree, just packed a mountain full of meat and

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butter and salt and just start going for it and as you can imagine the the hostile life as a

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carnivore is quite interesting the the people in that environment are pretty much exactly what you

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would expect the sort of lost souls trying to find themselves doing the best they can and kind of

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sounds like vegans because there's a lot of them there's a lot of overlap there so we would just be

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cooking these huge mountains of meat every day for dinner. And, you know, these girls and guys

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from all these different European countries are making their little salads and are kind of

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wondering what the heck is these people doing is super weird. However, I will say I've been

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traveling quite a while. I've been on and off digital nomads since 2018. And I have noticed

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people's ears are perking up a little bit quicker now than they used to. I wasn't carnivore back

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then, but I was definitely in some meat back then. And I just think that in general, these people

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are getting more open to the idea of learning about this mainly because most of the people in

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my generation of millennials are getting to the age now where they've been doing, they've been

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locked into their ideology for a while and they're starting to feel the effects one way or another.

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And so you'd meet a lot of people who are having some health issues. Once you have those, uh, you

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know, this stereotypical at the hostel with a bunch of, you know, cool people you're meeting

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and hanging out chatting.

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And of course they ask about the diet or, or maybe I forcibly talk about it.

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Cause I can't stop talking about meat.

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And we figure out that they actually have some issues that I know just to think for

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now, I have a podcast for you.

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And so this whole time I'm sort of putting these pieces together of meeting people and

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thinking, Oh, I can help this person with this podcast episode.

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Jay, if you did a podcast on this, I heard one from Sean Baker on this, and I'm starting

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realize i should make a huge compilation website where i can just have a directory

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of all these different common issues people have and just make a list of all the the good podcast

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episodes or websites or resources that can help those people get through you know get through the

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barrier of ideology and figure out that this could be just the key to fixing their issue and this

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isn't the first time i've had a website like this pop into my head i actually made one about bitcoin

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called whybitcoinonly.com, which is just a similar format of just a massive collection

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of Bitcoin resources. That was my first really big rabbit hole that I went down, just learning

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about Austrian economics. I know that you're liking those Thomas Sowell posts on Instagram.

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I see your little icon there. So he's the best. And that whole rabbit hole of just learning how

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human action works, Keynesian economics, Austrian economics, sound money, the importance of money

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in the economy, how it trickles down into absolutely everything. And that's something

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I'd love to talk about here today as well. How Bitcoin is the solution to the money problem,

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which is super relevant to carnivores. We'll get to that later. But yeah, I mean, basically,

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where am I at this point? 2023, Columbia trip, ate tons of meat, felt amazing.

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Shattered misconceptions everywhere, just thinking this is crazy. Go back home for the holidays,

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of course unload on my poor family just telling them that i'm only eating meat now i'm just like

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filling the kitchen with steak every day and they're so confused because they're still eating

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their salads and everything so i'm trying to you know friendly push this onto people but it's really

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hard when you just found something amazing and you want to help everybody i'm definitely like that i

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just want to save everyone all the time it's kind of crazy when you're in that mode you have to learn

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Learn how to reel back a little bit.

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But anyway, continue just grinding podcasts.

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And the more that I just kept hitting a brick wall with my friends and loved ones who weren't keen on this,

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I learned that it was just frustrating to keep going down that road and not make any progress.

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I really needed to just focus on building this website.

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And so I got the domain, got whycarnivore.com.

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And I just started absolutely grinding through podcasts and content.

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and your your podcast was the first one i went through all the way through i went through sean

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baker's entire podcast which is huge i'm sure if people know that there's like in the thousands of

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episodes that one took a while um i was i listened every single one and ken barry's youtube channel

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went through the whole thing dr killed dr weedeman there's so many great carnivores out there and

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just going through that rabbit hole was a really fun time just learning about all these different

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people's stories and just ossifying this confidence in myself like this is this is really something

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here this is something big we need to get this out there so um started bringing these people

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onto my podcast kind of at the same time i started a podcast last year around the same time i started

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carnivore funny enough it was almost exactly a year ago it was august 23 and at that point the

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plan was for it to be a strictly bitcoin podcast it was going to be all about bitcoin and the first

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several episodes are Bitcoin only.

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And if you just look at the episode list, it starts getting a little meaty

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in the, I think in the teens or the twenties, I just like, I need to talk more

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about this.

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I need to get more people on.

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That when I got you on was when I was only a few months in So just just continue grinding Went back to Columbia for a second round We really enjoyed it So we went back and it kind of funny The stereotype for Columbia is like the

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white dudes just all fly over there to get their wife. But I was the exact opposite. I was, I was

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completely buckled in that coworking room. I had the headphones on. I was grinding through carnivore

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content all day, every day, literally getting up at like 8am and go until like one or 2am at night.

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most of the time 16 hour days just busting my butt getting through that because i was just super

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motivated i had no job i had no money basically i was running into debt but people need this this

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needs to happen but there needs to be a resource like this because there isn't one anywhere

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um so just continue doing that for the next several months until 2024 this year july

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wrapped it up website done it came out to about 330 pages on google drive

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i hope people like it because if i even try to go in and edit it wordpress just crashes because

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it's so big so i can't even really change it unless i have like 30 minutes away from my computer to

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finish loading so i'm happy with it i think that it's a solid resource out there and i really

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appreciate your support getting the message out you boosted it dave mac talked about i went on

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his show to talk about it. And I'm really just hoping that this can help people just connect,

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connect the dots for people because it's, I organize it in such a way to where you scroll

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down through the table of contents. You can see everything sorted out as best as I could,

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just to all these different categories of things. There's a whole section for

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common misconceptions like, Oh, what do you need your vitamin C? Oh, there's no fiber. Oh,

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this, that, this, that. And also at the very end, there's a meat heel section. I called it where

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It's just a massive list. I think two or 300 different illnesses or conditions that people suffer from.

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I filled all of those with specific testimonials and stories of people who fixed that thing with carnivore.

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And I was very picky about all the things that the website's about one tenth of the total content I went through.

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And I'm I'm pretty hardcore about like staying very pure on carnivore.

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If people started talking about keto or animal based, I usually tossed it because there's just enough out there on carnivore now that I want to stick true to the message.

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The North Star needs to be carnivore and super happy with the final results and super thankful for people like you doing the work you do, putting that content out there.

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So idiots like me who can't really talk very deeply about the bodily systems and the science side, I can't remember dates or details in general to save my life.

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but I can consume a disgusting amount of content and just shove it into my

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brain all day, every day. And I just never get tired of learning about it.

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it's a pleasure to find a place where I can help make a difference as a lowly

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pleb over here, just going through YouTube videos and podcasts.

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Well, that's awesome, man. It's a huge amount of work.

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Over 300 pages is massive. What's the name of the website again?

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Is it why carnivore? Is that right?

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yep why carnivore.com and i also made a twitter account for it i made a nostra account for it i

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was just telling you about nostra earlier i'm trying to you know build a little sub brand on

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the social so i can try to get just post memes on there to get more eyeballs and more uh understanding

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of carnivore so it can sort of drive people into the website that way too if anyone wants to follow

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that it's just white carnivore cool so w hy carnivore just all spelled out yeah yeah do you

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want do you have it um up you wanted to possibly even share your screen sure yeah let's try it

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well i can pull it up right now easy peasy now can you see that yep yeah i can see that sweet so

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yeah just that table of contents i was talking about there you got that right here we go start

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at the very beginning from the ancestral background and you can click on these as a hyperlink too so

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if you want to go straight there, you just click it,

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brings you down here.

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but there's a hyperlink for every one of these sections.

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So if you want to send one of these sections to someone you know,

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you can just copy that.

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So let's scroll down into table contents here

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to the meat heals section I was talking about

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where there's just a ton of different conditions people can have.

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So let's say Lyme disease.

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You know someone with Lyme disease.

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You can click this, it'll shoot you straight down here.

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and up here in the url you just see why carnivore.com slash hashtag lime you send that over to them it

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will bring them straight down to that section with a bunch of videos about people that have

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helped their lyme disease with carnivore so pretty simple and this little arrow at the bottom left

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just takes you right back to the top that's all there is to it yeah very cool yeah no that's great

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so it's just just tons of different um you know content and videos and and things like that of um

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of all the different sorts of, you know, subjects and issues that people may have had.

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That's, that's pretty awesome.

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I appreciate it.

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And that's, it's meant to be a really simple site.

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I was just sort of clicking around on some of these things and yeah, there's just tons

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and tons and tons of uh of different videos and content and things like that as well which is

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great and i would certainly urge even the veteran carnivores to give it a look because there is uh

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something for everyone on there i really made sure that it goes real deep into each of the subjects

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so if there's any uh arguments that maybe you've gotten tripped up on in the past when you got in

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into a discussion about carnivore and people were challenging you on and you wanted to explain it

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well can sharpen your your game on that because it i i put each different misconception in there

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i let me just scroll down here misconceptions miscon okay yeah and there's just a huge list

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of them that you can just go through vitamin c deficiency you know give me cancer thyroid

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deficiency diabetes inflammation all these stupid things we hear that carnivore gives you

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you just click those and it'll take you straight down to white sbs yeah a lot a lot of chafee a lot

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of ken berry and a lot of bark k i really like bark k because he does not hold back and he goes

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especially the vitamin c when i'm pretty sure that's all bark k he just he just goes in on that

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you know i love the guy yeah very good and so some of these ones um so down the meat heels

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section i'm seeing here there's just a whole bunch of different uh issues like exactly and

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lyme disease they said any other autoimmunity um yeah very good so you have any sort of particular

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issue that people may have you know they they may go down there and obviously i'm sure as things come

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up um you know they'll be able to have add more and more to these sorts of things yeah exactly

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very cool i also learned a lot about the human body and how it works because it was a huge pain

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about for me to learn how to organize all those sections so that was educational yeah

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Yeah, yeah. Really happy to have it out there. And it was a labor of love. And I have gotten nothing but good feedback so far. So I really encourage people just take a look, check it out, see what they like. And yeah, there's a secret section there even about Bitcoin.

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Bitcoin and carnivore make a connection. It kind of talks about that a bit. I snuck that in there. Maybe that's something we could talk about here too at some point.

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yeah i'm looking at this too i'm just trying to think um just i see all these okay so you can go

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down there it shits it out a bit well i'm just looking at this this is a massive massive massive

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work man i'm like this is this scrolls down forever and uh so uh yeah there's a lot a lot

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of information here and uh great well you know people are um yeah people are interested you know

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check that out it's why carnivore.com um and i'll put a link in the description as well and people

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can can check that out i mean it's sort of fun just to just go through and to see you know just

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the monumental amount of like information there is here which is uh it's pretty pretty cool so

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yeah well thanks for putting that together man i'm sure it's very helpful for a lot of people

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and i mean people like you really inspire me man you you you've been putting your work out there

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you've been so just motivational on that end, just really working hard and getting stuff out to

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your ability and knowing how your brain works and how your skillset can come into this thing and

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really help progress people toward better health. And I, that's something I really talk about with

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people is it's easy to listen to someone like Dr. Chafee or Ken Berry, who really understand the

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human body super well in these systems. And so it can be easy to think, oh, I'm just going to,

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you know, leave it to those guys to do the content and, you know, kind of sit back on the sidelines.

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I think that everyone out there can play a part in this. This is such an important

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cause that we're behind right now. We have found a huge key to so many people getting better. And

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it's going to take everyone, even if that just means starting your own YouTube channel or an

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Instagram page where you just post pictures of steak, you know, that, that makes a difference.

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We're, we're pushing the messaging out there. Even just celebrating the fact that you're eating

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meat is crazy enough, a rebellious move these days. So don't discount it, keep doing it. Everyone

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can find a place where they can play a part and just understanding your own skill set, what you

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love to do and what you're good at and just jumping right in and, and talk to people like

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Dr. J.P. Tag him on Instagram. He's, he's really good about that and sharing people. And I know all

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the other carnivores are super helpful as well. So just get in the game, baby. That's all I got to

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say. Awesome. Yeah. And, and the more voices out there, the more people talking about it, you know,

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the more, uh, the more noise there is, the more people are aware of it. You know, you're going to

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be, uh, very influential to people that you don't even realize. Um, I thought that I sort of was a

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bit late getting into the game and people were saying the things that I, you know, I, I thought

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needed to be said. And so I was like, Ooh, is it really, you know, is it really worth my coming in?

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But, you know, there was a couple of things I thought, well, maybe I can sort of bring this,

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you know, um, in my own way, it might be a good, good addition, but I wasn't, I wasn't really sure.

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And then people started saying that they'd come across things, but the way I said it was really helpful and that it made sense to them.

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And somebody else is going to listen to what I'm saying.

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I'm like, oh, I don't know.

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That doesn't make sense.

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But they're going to hear somebody else say something very similar, but they're going to say it in a way from a direction and a context that makes sense to those people.

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I encourage everybody to get their story out there and start making content because you're going to influence people and say things in a way that is going to make sense to certain people.

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It's not going to make sense when other people say it.

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You just have a whole bunch of people out there talking about how great it is and about how much of a difference it made in your life.

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you know people are going to have to stop um you know stop trying to pretend it's not a thing

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you know because it is you know and it works and uh it works really well it really helping a lot of people so you know get your word out there get your message out there and let people know just how much this helps you And there are a couple of things you said there that are so critical that I want to highlight

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there's such a spectrum of different styles and deliveries.

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this is a very new concept for everyone.

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out there pretty much everyone and so you need to figure out if you're trying to help this person

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heal and become their healthiest self and you want to get them into carnivore the best way you can

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it's it's going to take a little bit of mix and match skills you got to kind of know their

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personality and know what they're looking for and for me personally i i like it hard and straight

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just give me the facts that's why i loved your podcast and why i like bart k ken barry is good

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um i actually don't love it when people are soft and sort of wishy-washy like oh like meat's good

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you know do what works best for you i'm kind of done with that to be honest i just want the hard

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facts man yeah and but some people do like it a little bit soft and a little more warm and cuddly

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amount of carnivore doctors and there is a a section on the site of just doctor testimonials

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because i know people like my family are really looking for that authority you know they're they

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grew up the older generations grew up really trusting authority figures and these the letters

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at the end of the name so there's a whole section for just doctors saying it and so you can go

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through that see which ones you think would fit best for the people you're targeting and uh yeah

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make it happen get more carnivores going help the world heal everyone definitely uh well cool man

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um well hopefully people go check that out and uh take a look it's it's really cool it's a massive

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massive platform, a lot of resources there. So it's a good place to send somebody and say,

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hey, there you go, get going. And so, yeah. So apart from that, you got into this from Bitcoin,

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which is something that I've seen a lot, actually. I've heard a lot of people come to this from

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Bitcoin or people from this go start thinking about Bitcoin. It's not something I've looked

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into much myself apart from understanding its core concept. And it's sort of decentralized,

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getting away from these different sort of governments and their control over the monetary

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system, which I think is probably a good thing. I don't know which Rothschild, but it was like

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100 plus years ago or something like that. He said, you give me control of the monetary system

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and I care not who runs the country, you know, it's just like, because he's running the country,

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you know, and he's just making money off everybody. So don't do that. Don't let people

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like that be in charge of the monetary system. And so having something decentralized made sense

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to me, but it's not something I've looked into or invested in, you know, really myself. But,

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you know, it's these sort of interesting concepts, I think, are very interrelated.

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Once you get the wool pulled off your eyes about something and you spot the bullshit with how we've been lied to about food and this sort of stuff and how cholesterol and heart disease and all these other sorts of things.

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And this has killed hundreds of millions of people early as a result, probably billions at this point, and caused untold amounts of disease and harm.

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and you start seeing that and how readily people are willing to lie about something that can kill

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and hurt so many people in such horrific ways. You just start looking, okay, well,

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what else are they lying about? Because they couldn't have just started with that.

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That's such a big one. It's gone on for so many decades and it's harmed so many people and they

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know it's harming these people and they clearly don't care what else do they care about? And so I

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see a lot of people from all these different sorts of avenues that have sort of seen like,

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you know, spot the bullshit in whatever field and then start looking around and,

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you know, find each other. So, you know, tell me a bit about Bitcoin and why you think that's

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the way to go. Oh, I'd love to. I know people out here are ready for this. They've been warmed up

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for a long time to look for more lies that are being fed to them. And that's why I'm so excited

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to bring these worlds together.

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I would start with just saying,

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anyone out there who's read

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The Big Fat Surprise by Nina Teichold,

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I know you and I both had her on our podcasts.

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This book is basically walking through

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how every single step of the way

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that the government has put this huge,

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nonsensical, big pharma-ruled system in place

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and really ossified it through their power.

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that have all been corrupted,

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This is key. Every single one of these governmental arms have infinite power and money because of the Federal Reserve money printer just showering money whenever they want it.

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They can print money at will. And this is the big key is the money printer is the death star of this evil empire here.

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because when you rewind way back before the Federal Reserve was enacted in 1913,

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when we were on the gold standard for 5,000 plus years,

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it actually gained value over time.

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How crazy is that?

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It was really hard to make more of it.

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Federal Reserve created in 1913.

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In 1971, we completely detached from the gold standard.

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to be holding gold. They came to your house and would take it away from you because

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that gave you a way out of their fiat

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games. This word fiat is the word you hear in the Bitcoin circle just talking about this money

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printer system. So essentially, Bitcoin is the digital version of gold. It's replicating all the

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things that were great about gold that worked really well. It's scarce. There's a fixed supply

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on it. It's really hard to increase the amount of Bitcoin in supply. But once it gets to 21 million,

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it's done. That's going to happen around 2140. There's going to be a hard stop there. So it's

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very little inflation temporarily. And then it turns deflationary once we hit that ceiling.

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When you look at it on a long enough timeframe in the last, you know, 15 years or however long

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it's been out exactly, it's just been going up. You know, and people get caught up in the headlines

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of, oh, it's, it went up this week. It went down this week. It went up this week. It went down this

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week. I just don't even care about that anymore. And most of the real Bitcoiners don't care about

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that anymore. It's just noise. We're thinking about this on a long timeframe of this is a new

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form of money. This is a new global reserve currency. This is going to take, you know,

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this is like a hundreds of year project, thousands of years. This is made to be money for

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the digital future, which is like gold lasted for 5,000 years. This one could last for 10,000 years,

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And it's fixing that problem of the government having complete power over the money.

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And I've had a lot of people on my podcast to talk about this, including some farmers and ranchers,

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talking about how Bitcoin has helped these meat producers save their wealth somewhere where it can't be confiscated,

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can't be taken away from, you know, if the bureaucracy comes down and raids their farm,

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like we've been seeing happening more often, they can't take your Bitcoin.

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You can have a secret wallet and not tell anyone.

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You can just have your own.

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When people are escaping these awful authoritarian regimes in these third world countries, they're learning about Bitcoin.

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And for so many years, when these people would try to escape these terrible situations, they would get shaken down at the border.

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They'd get robbed of all their money.

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They'd get everything stolen from them.

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But with Bitcoin, if you can remember 12 words in your head, that's all you need to get access to that Bitcoin from anywhere.

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So it really opens up these fascinating possibilities of sovereignty and self-sovereignty.

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And it's a really fascinating rabbit hole to go down.

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That's why I created the whybitcoinonly.com because that's I tell every carnivore that's the next rabbit hole to check out if you haven't.

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It effectively the long term vision, just like carnivores vision, is to heal people with a proper human diet.

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The Bitcoin vision is to separate money from state.

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The government should not have the ability to print infinite money for itself and steal

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from all of you from inflation.

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It's getting crazy out there.

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It's getting more and more expensive.

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And it's not getting more expensive because ribeye is getting more valuable.

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00:32:52,734 --> 00:32:56,314
It's getting more expensive because your dollar is losing its purchasing power.

399
00:32:56,634 --> 00:32:59,534
They're deflating it away by printing the money.

400
00:32:59,654 --> 00:33:00,434
It's quite simple.

401
00:33:00,434 --> 00:33:07,494
when the money supply goes up, it dilutes everyone else's fiat currency. So you're getting poorer

402
00:33:07,494 --> 00:33:12,334
every time you see these politicians on TV say, oh, we're printing a trillion for that. We're

403
00:33:12,334 --> 00:33:17,214
printing a trillion for that. That's you getting poorer. They just don't say it that way. It's a

404
00:33:17,214 --> 00:33:23,474
stealth tax. It's a way that they tax you without any legislation needed. It's a great way for them

405
00:33:23,474 --> 00:33:28,854
to get infinite money to just print tanks and aircraft carriers for all the wars they want to do,

406
00:33:28,854 --> 00:33:34,954
pay all the lobbyists off, continue these corrupt three-letter agencies that are keeping us sick

407
00:33:34,954 --> 00:33:40,654
and in bed with big food and big pharma. This whole game all comes back to the money. And when

408
00:33:40,654 --> 00:33:47,194
you fix that money, you fix the whole problem of all these cascading effects of power and corruption

409
00:33:47,194 --> 00:33:52,234
creating this clown world we find ourselves in today, including the diet guidelines that has

410
00:33:52,234 --> 00:33:59,194
been made possible by fiat money. Yeah. So, yeah, I've always, you know,

411
00:33:59,894 --> 00:34:06,014
having read Soul and Milton Friedman and Friedrich Hayek and these sorts of people,

412
00:34:06,094 --> 00:34:10,594
Walter Williams, these sorts of people. And also, you know, having a brain in my head and thinking,

413
00:34:11,254 --> 00:34:18,414
I've long thought you just need to get rid of the Fed. And, you know, the ability to print money

414
00:34:18,414 --> 00:34:20,814
endlessly is insane.

415
00:34:20,814 --> 00:34:24,714
And that sort of, there was a contract when the Fed was created with the government, they

416
00:34:24,714 --> 00:34:28,174
said, okay, well, we can just print this money out and it's guaranteed and backed.

417
00:34:28,174 --> 00:34:50,331
Basically it the federal government getting a loan from the Fed and they print all this money out as always permanently backed by the taxpayer And it just like you writing you know basically you getting loans out in someone else name and taking the money you know and it just a complete con game

418
00:34:51,691 --> 00:34:56,271
And I mean, this was done by, was it Woodrow, I believe it was Woodrow Wilson who did this.

419
00:34:56,331 --> 00:35:02,491
And he was, he openly was saying that he had to dismantle the Constitution.

420
00:35:02,491 --> 00:35:20,311
This was old and outdated. It was 150 years old. We just got to get rid of this old relic. And we need to have brilliant people running things the way we think, because obviously it's just certain specific people that should be able to have the know-how to run everybody else's life.

421
00:35:21,031 --> 00:35:25,151
When you think about it, you look at the original Greek democracies.

422
00:35:25,551 --> 00:35:27,211
Obviously, this isn't a democracy's republic.

423
00:35:27,351 --> 00:35:29,011
That's why we wanted to sort of keep it that way.

424
00:35:29,071 --> 00:35:30,051
It was going to last longer.

425
00:35:30,531 --> 00:35:34,791
They typically lasted around 100, 150 years.

426
00:35:34,791 --> 00:35:46,611
That's about how long we lasted before Woodrow Wilson screwed things up with the Fed and then put in the 16th Amendment, which was the federal income tax.

427
00:35:47,251 --> 00:35:49,111
And that needs to be repealed tomorrow.

428
00:35:49,111 --> 00:35:51,311
I mean, that needed to be repealed 100 years ago.

429
00:35:51,411 --> 00:35:52,391
That should never have gone through.

430
00:35:53,011 --> 00:35:55,711
You know, they were trying to make that argument.

431
00:35:55,831 --> 00:35:58,671
It was just like, we have this big World War I sort of experience.

432
00:35:59,391 --> 00:36:01,471
You know, we need to raise money really fast.

433
00:36:01,551 --> 00:36:03,531
This is national defense and all this.

434
00:36:03,751 --> 00:36:05,291
150 years, we had none of this.

435
00:36:05,731 --> 00:36:07,231
You know, we did just fine.

436
00:36:07,291 --> 00:36:12,131
We fought in a lot of wars and had invasions and all this sort of stuff.

437
00:36:12,191 --> 00:36:13,731
And yet, you know, we were still there.

438
00:36:14,271 --> 00:36:18,371
But they say, okay, well, we want to do this so we can raise an army really quickly.

439
00:36:18,371 --> 00:36:26,951
That was what it was purpose for, is raising an army for national defense and then be able to do that quickly.

440
00:36:27,511 --> 00:36:35,871
And it would only be like 2-3% of the income tax, only during war times, only to raise an army, only when we absolutely had to.

441
00:36:36,551 --> 00:36:42,691
But the people at the time were either knew what they were doing, like Woodrow Wilson,

442
00:36:42,691 --> 00:36:48,091
that wanted to sort of subvert the Constitution, or they were just not as intelligent as they

443
00:36:48,091 --> 00:36:48,851
needed to be.

444
00:36:49,171 --> 00:36:54,491
Because the original founding fathers, when you read the Constitution, it is so tight

445
00:36:54,491 --> 00:36:55,311
in its language.

446
00:36:55,871 --> 00:36:57,811
You know, the government, you are not allowed to do this.

447
00:36:57,871 --> 00:36:59,811
You can do this and nothing else.

448
00:36:59,811 --> 00:37:14,971
It is very clear the powers of the federal government are few and enumerated, specifically enumerated. And the rights of an individual are basically unlimited.

449
00:37:14,971 --> 00:37:24,371
And so the problem with that is that at first they were talking about limiting it and say, okay, well, we'll put a cap on it and say, oh, 10%.

450
00:37:24,371 --> 00:37:26,331
And that can't go higher than that.

451
00:37:26,431 --> 00:37:34,031
If it's going to be something we only want to go at like 2%, 3%, only for wartime, only for national defense, you need to write that in.

452
00:37:34,311 --> 00:37:36,031
This will only be used for national defense.

453
00:37:36,111 --> 00:37:37,571
This will only be a temporary measure.

454
00:37:37,671 --> 00:37:39,291
This will never go past this amount.

455
00:37:39,291 --> 00:37:45,951
and that's what you know all these other you know legal you know sort of uh you know documents were

456
00:37:45,951 --> 00:37:50,891
how they were written and they didn't do that they just said yeah federal government gets to

457
00:37:50,891 --> 00:37:55,571
to tax people's income and people say like whoa hold on we should put in a limit we should say

458
00:37:55,571 --> 00:37:59,691
hey you can't go above like 10 percent that whoa what are you talking about 10 percent we don't

459
00:37:59,691 --> 00:38:04,251
want this going above three percent if you say 10 it's going to go up to 10 well if you don't say

460
00:38:04,251 --> 00:38:12,411
10%, you don't say any other percent, you are tacitly saying 100% because there's the limit is,

461
00:38:12,931 --> 00:38:16,291
there is no limit, right? You can even go above that. You know, I mean, there's some,

462
00:38:16,371 --> 00:38:22,511
some places where they, like, if you have a lot of savings, they'll tax you more than your income

463
00:38:22,511 --> 00:38:29,631
because to tap into your savings as well. It's insane. And so don't get any ideas, anybody

464
00:38:29,631 --> 00:38:39,151
in the government. And so immediately the federal income tax rate went up over 90% for the top

465
00:38:39,151 --> 00:38:46,671
bracket, over 90%. The first income tax breaks in the early 20s, there's only a few years after

466
00:38:46,671 --> 00:38:54,031
there was a federal income tax, it was with Calvin Coolidge. And he dropped the top tax bracket down

467
00:38:54,031 --> 00:39:01,331
to like 70 something percent, 72 percent, something like that. Massive growth in the economy because

468
00:39:01,331 --> 00:39:07,091
it was just so stifled and just like, oh, thank God, you had some air to breathe. And you had the

469
00:39:07,091 --> 00:39:13,151
roaring 20s as a result of that. So that needs to go. The Fed obviously needs to go. Shouldn't

470
00:39:13,151 --> 00:39:19,211
be able just to have a blank check to do whatever the hell you want. I mean, that was at least

471
00:39:19,211 --> 00:39:24,011
contained to a partial extent because you still had the constitution at that point that was

472
00:39:24,011 --> 00:39:37,551
It was somewhat unbroken where the federal government was not allowed to spend money for anything except the general welfare.

473
00:39:37,811 --> 00:39:39,651
And everyone knew what the hell that meant.

474
00:39:40,011 --> 00:39:42,471
That meant national defense, something that would affect everybody.

475
00:39:42,611 --> 00:39:48,731
And then FDR came in, threatened to pack the courts, scared one of the Supreme Court judges to flip sides.

476
00:39:48,731 --> 00:40:00,811
And instead of FDR losing four to five decisions in the Supreme Court with all the illegal, unconstitutional things he was doing, now he started winning five to four because he flipped one of them.

477
00:40:01,411 --> 00:40:12,211
And because he scared them, even though the Congress, which was a Democratic Congress at the time, FDR was a Democrat, was not about it.

478
00:40:12,211 --> 00:40:17,551
Back then, the three branches of government actually worked as they were supposed to, saying like keeping each other in check.

479
00:40:17,551 --> 00:40:20,991
and congress said hey you're overstepping your bounds you're not going to do that

480
00:40:20,991 --> 00:40:24,991
we're not going to let you and so he said hey i want some senate hearings for

481
00:40:24,991 --> 00:40:28,951
new justices and they're like we're not going to hear them we're not going to talk to them

482
00:40:28,951 --> 00:40:34,711
piss off and and that was his own party doing that now parties run things as opposed to

483
00:40:35,451 --> 00:40:40,371
um you know the constitution and things like that which is a bit unfortunate but um

484
00:40:40,371 --> 00:40:46,531
but all of them love to print money every single one every politician out there running right now

485
00:40:46,531 --> 00:40:49,831
They don't want to talk about the spending that they're going to do.

486
00:40:50,011 --> 00:40:50,991
They make these promises.

487
00:40:51,231 --> 00:40:52,611
Oh, we're going to give you all these goodies.

488
00:40:52,691 --> 00:40:55,871
We're going to give you these presents and gifts and all these things are going to be

489
00:40:55,871 --> 00:40:56,351
so great.

490
00:40:56,431 --> 00:41:00,291
They don't tell you that every single thing they hand down, the classic one is the stimulus

491
00:41:00,291 --> 00:41:00,731
checks.

492
00:41:00,811 --> 00:41:01,891
Those are the ones that everyone sees.

493
00:41:02,031 --> 00:41:04,951
Like, oh, they're so nice to me giving me $2,000.

494
00:41:05,271 --> 00:41:05,831
That's so nice.

495
00:41:06,131 --> 00:41:09,191
They don't tell you that they permanently devalued your dollar for that.

496
00:41:09,491 --> 00:41:11,711
It's going to make the rest of your life harder and your kids harder.

497
00:41:12,011 --> 00:41:15,091
And your grandkids' lives will be harder because of that decision.

498
00:41:15,091 --> 00:41:19,931
they're just kicking the tab down the road to future generations the more they do this and

499
00:41:19,931 --> 00:41:25,891
we see situations like venezuela which is way down the line i when i was traveling in south

500
00:41:25,891 --> 00:41:30,391
america i got to meet venezuelan people that experienced that and they told me about this and

501
00:41:30,391 --> 00:41:36,731
it's it's absolutely horrible conditions down there the their currency is just trash it's all

502
00:41:36,731 --> 00:41:43,651
over the roads it's you need a wheelbarrow of this to just get a towel at the store it's completely

503
00:41:43,651 --> 00:41:49,511
useless that their currency has gone to zero and us americans think that we're we're so good and

504
00:41:49,511 --> 00:41:54,851
powerful because i mean in a way we are we have the global reserve currency we have a lot more

505
00:41:54,851 --> 00:42:00,211
ability to kick the can but that doesn't mean that the intrinsic value of these pieces of paper is

506
00:42:00,211 --> 00:42:05,611
still zero it's it's only backed by trust at this point nothing else and when people stop trusting

507
00:42:05,611 --> 00:42:11,491
it that's when we actually will see a change and things will get really interesting very soon as

508
00:42:11,491 --> 00:42:16,731
all these other countries who used to use the dollar for trade, like Russia, there's BRICS,

509
00:42:17,211 --> 00:42:20,731
there's all sorts of interesting things going on. It's a little bit out of scope here, but

510
00:42:20,731 --> 00:42:25,091
long and short of it is countries are realizing we don't really want to use the dollar anymore.

511
00:42:25,431 --> 00:42:29,171
You guys are just printing it infinitely. We're paying the price for that. El Salvador is an

512
00:42:29,171 --> 00:42:34,371
example of one who just a few years ago said, you know what, they were dollarized and they just said,

513
00:42:34,431 --> 00:42:39,971
we're out. We're going to go on a Bitcoin standard. So El Salvador is completely Bitcoin legal tender.

514
00:42:39,971 --> 00:42:42,151
If you go there, you can buy everything with Bitcoin.

515
00:42:42,511 --> 00:42:46,871
They skipped all the extra steps and they just went to the next global reserve currency.

516
00:42:47,431 --> 00:42:49,291
And things are getting super good down there.

517
00:42:50,011 --> 00:42:52,211
I'm actually planning on going there at some point soon.

518
00:42:52,311 --> 00:42:52,991
I'd love to visit.

519
00:42:53,211 --> 00:42:58,491
But from the people who are actually trustworthy, who've been down there and experienced the

520
00:42:58,491 --> 00:43:00,871
whole situation, things have gotten so much better.

521
00:43:01,571 --> 00:43:02,871
And it's no coincidence why.

522
00:43:02,931 --> 00:43:04,711
It's because they have a sounder form of money.

523
00:43:05,491 --> 00:43:07,931
And Naib Bukele came in and made a lot of changes.

524
00:43:07,931 --> 00:43:09,631
That's a whole different topic.

525
00:43:09,631 --> 00:43:12,791
but the crime rate went from one of the worst in the world to one of the best.

526
00:43:13,411 --> 00:43:14,991
And Bitcoin played a part in that.

527
00:43:15,731 --> 00:43:16,571
Yeah, that's pretty crazy.

528
00:43:17,251 --> 00:43:20,871
And yeah, so that's the thing.

529
00:43:21,651 --> 00:43:26,371
There's already countries, like you're saying, that are already talking about not replacing

530
00:43:26,371 --> 00:43:32,031
the US dollar as the world reserve currency.

531
00:43:32,171 --> 00:43:33,711
And when that happens, it's big trouble.

532
00:43:33,991 --> 00:43:38,151
And some people are arguing that maybe that's probably what people are trying to do on purpose

533
00:43:38,151 --> 00:43:43,891
to destabilize the country and screw up the economy and screw up the US to tear it down

534
00:43:43,891 --> 00:43:49,511
and to break it down, break the constitution entirely, and then bring about some sort of

535
00:43:49,511 --> 00:43:53,691
communist hellscape that reminiscent of the 20th century.

536
00:43:55,231 --> 00:43:55,831
No, thank you.

537
00:43:56,551 --> 00:44:02,791
But yeah, Thomas Sowell talks about that, how printing money is just a hidden tax.

538
00:44:02,791 --> 00:44:09,251
because if you print 20% money, it doesn't just put more money in the system. It's just your bank

539
00:44:09,251 --> 00:44:15,851
account is now worth 20% less. And so it's very simple math. It's very simple math. Whatever

540
00:44:15,851 --> 00:44:21,311
percentage money that they print and put out in the circulation, that takes away from the value

541
00:44:21,311 --> 00:44:29,151
of your savings. And so it's a tax on your savings. And so it's very, very devious. Before

542
00:44:29,151 --> 00:44:38,411
they did that, they had to only spend money on the general welfare. But then they said, well,

543
00:44:38,831 --> 00:44:44,271
if I give money to Ben, Ben's a good guy. He's going to spend that. He's going to give that to

544
00:44:44,271 --> 00:44:49,131
Jennifer and they're going to buy something and that's going to go to somebody else. And he has

545
00:44:49,131 --> 00:44:53,851
a family. He's going to buy food for his family. And that goes to a farmer. That farmer does this.

546
00:44:53,851 --> 00:45:01,951
well, it just trickles out and that helps everybody. And so me giving, you know, $5 billion,

547
00:45:02,451 --> 00:45:08,531
you know, stimulus bill to my buddy Ben actually does help the general welfare because it just

548
00:45:08,531 --> 00:45:15,211
helps everybody. Right. And, you know, and it's a con, you know, I mean, that was something that

549
00:45:15,211 --> 00:45:21,491
we knew for 150 years never flew. And now they just they just do it. And that's when lobbyists

550
00:45:21,491 --> 00:45:26,571
came in, that's when money entered politics, because now you have these massively expensive

551
00:45:26,571 --> 00:45:36,171
campaigns. You had all these people paying to get the ear of a politician or a president.

552
00:45:37,171 --> 00:45:42,991
And now they're getting all these special interests that are in Washington and paying

553
00:45:42,991 --> 00:45:50,491
to get federal money. And that only happens when you can give money to special interests. And that's

554
00:45:50,491 --> 00:45:53,171
actually strictly prohibited in the Constitution.

555
00:45:53,171 --> 00:45:54,831
So why the hell don't we repeal that?

556
00:45:54,831 --> 00:45:57,491
Why don't we take that to the Supreme Court and say,

557
00:45:57,491 --> 00:45:58,771
yeah, I can't do that anymore.

558
00:45:58,771 --> 00:46:02,391
I mean, that would just sort out a lot of problems right away.

559
00:46:02,391 --> 00:46:04,151
But would also sort out a lot of problems

560
00:46:04,151 --> 00:46:06,571
as you repeal the 16th Amendment.

561
00:46:06,571 --> 00:46:10,431
And if they are not able to tax people,

562
00:46:10,469 --> 00:46:16,069
their piggy bank goes away, you know, and, you know, same with the Federal Reserve.

563
00:46:16,169 --> 00:46:17,509
So I totally think they should go away.

564
00:46:17,909 --> 00:46:20,749
You know, even the idea of like, well, we need to raise money for a war.

565
00:46:21,509 --> 00:46:30,069
I don't actually know that that's a great idea either, because previously they had you had to vote on a war because you had war bonds.

566
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:36,429
They couldn't raise money to put an army together and build munitions and things like that.

567
00:46:36,429 --> 00:46:43,489
Like we went into World War I with our, the American army was less well armed than the American citizenry.

568
00:46:43,629 --> 00:46:47,069
There was like basically the original AR-15 platform.

569
00:46:47,209 --> 00:46:48,969
That was, that's, that's pre-World War I.

570
00:46:49,129 --> 00:46:58,069
There were more people in America as private citizens that had those like semi-automatic rifles than the U.S. Army.

571
00:46:58,549 --> 00:47:02,029
You know, they're still using largely like bolt action rifles and things like that.

572
00:47:02,069 --> 00:47:04,309
So people were like saying like, can I just bring my own gun?

573
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:05,949
Like it's better than this.

574
00:47:06,429 --> 00:47:09,789
You know, and so that's how it's supposed to be.

575
00:47:09,789 --> 00:47:12,389
It's like, oh, you don't want people having better guns in the military.

576
00:47:12,589 --> 00:47:13,689
No, you do.

577
00:47:14,169 --> 00:47:19,149
You do, because you don't want the military being able to oppress the citizenry.

578
00:47:19,709 --> 00:47:29,489
But in any case, the wars happened because people said, I'll give money, I'll buy war bonds.

579
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:36,329
And if that's something I believe in, I'm going to put my money where my mouth is.

580
00:47:36,429 --> 00:47:40,009
and I'm going to put money towards that war effort.

581
00:47:40,529 --> 00:47:44,589
And if enough people didn't buy into it, it wasn't going to happen.

582
00:47:45,069 --> 00:47:47,589
And so if people have a problem with some sort of invasion,

583
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:51,449
they don't have to yell about it and talk about it on CNN and bang the table.

584
00:47:51,709 --> 00:47:53,569
They can just say, yeah, well, I'm not putting money towards that.

585
00:47:54,189 --> 00:47:56,869
And then it just fizzles out and it goes away.

586
00:47:57,809 --> 00:48:03,649
So it actually gives the people a lot more power and control

587
00:48:03,649 --> 00:48:06,569
over how our government runs.

588
00:48:06,629 --> 00:48:07,509
And that's the whole point.

589
00:48:07,889 --> 00:48:08,989
It's the government of the people,

590
00:48:09,129 --> 00:48:10,669
for the people, by the people.

591
00:48:11,089 --> 00:48:12,669
It's supposed to be we just live our lives

592
00:48:12,669 --> 00:48:14,029
and we get to self-govern,

593
00:48:14,489 --> 00:48:15,549
we get to self-rule,

594
00:48:15,729 --> 00:48:16,989
and we get to decide

595
00:48:16,989 --> 00:48:18,769
whether our nation goes into war,

596
00:48:19,209 --> 00:48:23,129
whether things are being spent on stupid shit or not.

597
00:48:23,209 --> 00:48:25,009
And now we've lost that.

598
00:48:25,009 --> 00:48:28,409
Now it's back to the old school oligarchs

599
00:48:28,409 --> 00:48:33,149
and monarchs and rulers, right?

600
00:48:33,149 --> 00:48:35,949
where they get to make the decisions for us,

601
00:48:36,229 --> 00:48:39,249
as opposed to us getting to make the decisions for ourselves.

602
00:48:39,969 --> 00:48:44,209
And I think that any way that you can get the hell away from that

603
00:48:44,209 --> 00:48:46,129
is a good option.

604
00:48:46,229 --> 00:48:50,089
That's really interesting that El Salvador has gone to the Bitcoin standard.

605
00:48:50,209 --> 00:48:53,649
I mean, even just going to the gold standard is a leg up.

606
00:48:53,809 --> 00:48:58,389
There's a statistic I saw, who knows, maybe someone can fact check this.

607
00:48:59,249 --> 00:49:02,749
But it's something I heard that like 100 years ago,

608
00:49:03,149 --> 00:49:06,729
the average cost of a house in America was three bars of gold.

609
00:49:07,509 --> 00:49:11,489
And right now the average cost of a house in America is three bars of gold.

610
00:49:12,269 --> 00:49:16,609
And so it's a save against inflation, that sort of thing.

611
00:49:16,949 --> 00:49:20,009
But I heard Salvador doing a lot of good things.

612
00:49:20,109 --> 00:49:23,329
I know that Dr. Jack Cruz was down there as well.

613
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:26,029
He's still there. He's posted up. That's his home now.

614
00:49:26,769 --> 00:49:31,289
Yeah. And he comes back. He's a neurosurgeon in New Orleans.

615
00:49:31,289 --> 00:49:35,729
He just comes back for a week each month and just does like a trauma call or something like that.

616
00:49:36,529 --> 00:49:38,829
And he's down there.

617
00:49:38,929 --> 00:49:54,129
But apparently they had him, like the government had him help draft a letter where they're saying that we will not accept the WHO dictating medical directives to our country.

618
00:49:54,269 --> 00:49:55,509
Like we will not do that.

619
00:49:55,689 --> 00:49:57,489
So piss off.

620
00:49:57,489 --> 00:49:59,389
So I think that's pretty good.

621
00:49:59,389 --> 00:50:06,609
And they're offering like visas to, you know, professionals, doctors, lawyers, philosophers.

622
00:50:06,869 --> 00:50:07,469
Pretty interesting.

623
00:50:07,609 --> 00:50:12,649
That one, you know, people that can, you know, are trained how to think as opposed to what

624
00:50:12,649 --> 00:50:13,149
to think.

625
00:50:13,529 --> 00:50:15,229
You know, that's probably an interesting one, too.

626
00:50:16,189 --> 00:50:18,749
But yeah, do you know a bit more about the El Salvador things?

627
00:50:18,829 --> 00:50:21,249
That's actually sounds like they're making some some power moves there.

628
00:50:22,049 --> 00:50:22,829
They definitely are.

629
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:25,309
And yeah, Jack Cruz is a great example.

630
00:50:25,429 --> 00:50:26,869
He's down there and he's a huge bitcoiner.

631
00:50:26,869 --> 00:50:31,989
And I don't remember his exact origin story for going there, but I'm quite sure how to do with Bitcoin.

632
00:50:32,889 --> 00:50:43,749
They're really just at the same time as so many countries are having a brain drain, they are having an influx of these Bitcoin brains coming in to help rebuild this country.

633
00:50:43,889 --> 00:50:48,589
Another duo that's very well known to Bitcoin sphere is Max Kaiser and Stacey Herbert.

634
00:50:49,069 --> 00:50:56,769
I'm not sure if Max Kaiser rings a bell for you, but he was on CNBC in like 2010 telling people to buy Bitcoin when it was like pennies.

635
00:50:56,869 --> 00:50:59,929
So he's been in the game for a long time, just telling people that.

636
00:51:00,029 --> 00:51:02,649
And they've posted up over there to help rebuild his country.

637
00:51:02,649 --> 00:51:04,189
And it's working really well.

638
00:51:04,669 --> 00:51:06,609
And I can't wait to go check it out myself.

639
00:51:06,709 --> 00:51:08,249
And they're not the only one that's on track.

640
00:51:08,329 --> 00:51:09,929
There's a bunch of other ones that are coming out.

641
00:51:10,049 --> 00:51:15,129
But as you'd expect, it's the smaller countries with less to lose.

642
00:51:15,709 --> 00:51:19,029
And the big question right now is what the heck is the U.S. going to do?

643
00:51:19,089 --> 00:51:22,649
Because we are in the biggest position of power right now.

644
00:51:22,649 --> 00:51:29,109
We have the most to lose from that because we are the current global reserve currency lord.

645
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:31,509
We own the money of the world, basically.

646
00:51:31,869 --> 00:51:34,969
And everyone has a target on our back because they're tired of playing our games.

647
00:51:35,289 --> 00:51:38,169
And so it'll be very interesting to see what happens.

648
00:51:38,969 --> 00:51:41,889
So I was at the Bitcoin conference this year in July.

649
00:51:42,029 --> 00:51:53,994
That where I got to meet Sean Baker and Ken Berry and some other carnivores Slowly carnivores are trickling into Bitcoin We reeling them in They coming in And Donald Trump was there He did a speech

650
00:51:54,514 --> 00:51:55,414
I went to it.

651
00:51:55,554 --> 00:51:57,174
It was boring as fuck, but it was interesting

652
00:51:57,174 --> 00:52:00,534
because the candidates are starting to talk about this.

653
00:52:00,814 --> 00:52:02,594
And it's part of the conversation.

654
00:52:02,734 --> 00:52:05,094
The Overton window is shifting.

655
00:52:05,494 --> 00:52:07,454
And Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was also there.

656
00:52:07,534 --> 00:52:08,894
He actually knows what he's talking about,

657
00:52:09,154 --> 00:52:11,234
which is one of the only people

658
00:52:11,234 --> 00:52:12,674
that actually has done his research on it.

659
00:52:12,674 --> 00:52:14,134
So that's quite interesting.

660
00:52:14,134 --> 00:52:16,134
now that him and Trump are connected

661
00:52:16,134 --> 00:52:18,694
and don't even want to get into politics there.

662
00:52:18,814 --> 00:52:20,294
But all I'm going to say is, I mean,

663
00:52:21,114 --> 00:52:22,934
Bitcoin doesn't care who you are,

664
00:52:23,014 --> 00:52:23,954
what your politics are.

665
00:52:23,994 --> 00:52:26,574
It's going to keep churning along and keep going up.

666
00:52:26,814 --> 00:52:27,454
That's what it does.

667
00:52:27,494 --> 00:52:29,574
It's programmed to increase in value over time

668
00:52:29,574 --> 00:52:32,154
because it's a simple supply and demand equation.

669
00:52:32,154 --> 00:52:35,274
The demand is going to continue going up

670
00:52:35,274 --> 00:52:36,894
as people do their research

671
00:52:36,894 --> 00:52:40,374
and learn that every single fiat currency

672
00:52:40,374 --> 00:52:41,594
by every government on earth

673
00:52:41,594 --> 00:52:43,634
is programmed to go down in value.

674
00:52:44,134 --> 00:52:47,914
Unless you think that the government is all of a sudden going to be responsible and stop spending.

675
00:52:48,514 --> 00:52:50,914
We're at about $36 trillion of debt right now.

676
00:52:51,054 --> 00:52:52,754
I'm not feeling too confident about that.

677
00:52:53,414 --> 00:52:54,874
And so I'm going to get on the lifeboat.

678
00:52:54,994 --> 00:52:59,734
Bitcoin is the lifeboat to this situation where you can have a form of money that's programmed differently.

679
00:52:59,734 --> 00:53:03,534
It's completely outside of the system, and it doesn't need anyone's permission.

680
00:53:04,154 --> 00:53:07,394
It's built to withstand all of these attacks.

681
00:53:07,394 --> 00:53:23,254
And we are already well into the phase where if governments try to attack it and take it down or ban it, as China, for example, I believe at least 12 different times they've tried to ban Bitcoin mining in China.

682
00:53:23,694 --> 00:53:29,994
But every single time it just doesn't work because it's a giant whack-a-mole game of trying to stop the people in their country.

683
00:53:30,114 --> 00:53:34,374
They just leave the country and go do it somewhere else and they lose all that money and inflow.

684
00:53:34,374 --> 00:53:36,914
So they go, OK, let's turn the ban off and they all come back.

685
00:53:37,394 --> 00:53:39,674
The baby's out of the cradle at this point.

686
00:53:40,914 --> 00:53:45,074
It's too far gone for any of these governments to stop, even if they wanted to.

687
00:53:45,274 --> 00:53:48,634
So it's smarter for them to play along and jump on board.

688
00:53:49,354 --> 00:53:55,514
And it'll be very interesting to see what the U.S. does, again, because we have the infinite money printer.

689
00:53:55,954 --> 00:54:00,254
We could literally print money to buy Bitcoin, and that would just cause all kinds of chaos.

690
00:54:01,134 --> 00:54:04,054
I mean, just don't have zero Bitcoin, guys.

691
00:54:04,474 --> 00:54:05,374
That's all I'm going to say.

692
00:54:05,374 --> 00:54:11,734
You don't want to have zero when things start hitting the fan because we're getting to a point where things are getting real hairy.

693
00:54:11,834 --> 00:54:14,354
We just had a halving recently.

694
00:54:14,514 --> 00:54:25,074
I'm not sure if you understand how the halving works, but it's basically a programmed part of Bitcoin where every four years, the rate at which new Bitcoin is mined gets cut in half.

695
00:54:25,394 --> 00:54:29,414
So it's like an asymptote going up to that 21 million level.

696
00:54:30,234 --> 00:54:32,874
And once it gets there, no more Bitcoin is mined.

697
00:54:32,874 --> 00:54:37,314
But until then, like slowly increasing supply, very slowly.

698
00:54:39,014 --> 00:54:41,014
But it's essentially getting squeezed.

699
00:54:41,414 --> 00:54:43,274
So it's just a huge spring right now.

700
00:54:43,474 --> 00:54:48,754
And this is why I personally am interested in far more things than just the price.

701
00:54:48,874 --> 00:54:50,654
I literally never look at the price.

702
00:54:50,734 --> 00:54:51,254
I don't care.

703
00:54:51,714 --> 00:54:55,414
I'm buying a little bit every single month, just stacking sats, as we say, just dollar

704
00:54:55,414 --> 00:55:00,374
cost averaging, just making sure that I'm getting that accumulation as big as possible

705
00:55:00,374 --> 00:55:03,254
for when these things start happening and when the dominoes start falling.

706
00:55:04,794 --> 00:55:06,874
And things are just going to naturally happen.

707
00:55:06,874 --> 00:55:14,054
And it's a very safe bet to be holding the future and not the present.

708
00:55:14,314 --> 00:55:18,054
Because the present is fiat monopoly money that is going to continue going down.

709
00:55:18,234 --> 00:55:19,194
You're going to keep getting poorer.

710
00:55:19,694 --> 00:55:22,234
The work you're doing is going to buy less and less.

711
00:55:23,134 --> 00:55:24,554
Everyone's starting to realize this.

712
00:55:24,754 --> 00:55:27,954
And this is where that demand part of the supply and demand comes in,

713
00:55:27,954 --> 00:55:32,714
is that more and more people are realizing this doesn't make any sense that what why is my rent

714
00:55:32,714 --> 00:55:36,894
getting more expensive why is it getting more expensive to buy food i thought this was the

715
00:55:36,894 --> 00:55:41,614
richest country in the history of the world i thought that you know as these as our efficiency

716
00:55:41,614 --> 00:55:46,914
gets better as a race as we have all these fancy technology is getting better and our communication

717
00:55:46,914 --> 00:55:51,794
is getting better and the supply chains are more efficient how come things aren't getting cheaper

718
00:55:52,354 --> 00:55:53,174
Wouldn't they get cheaper?

719
00:55:53,274 --> 00:55:55,734
They're supposed to back when we used gold

720
00:55:55,734 --> 00:56:00,294
because the money was not getting debased

721
00:56:00,294 --> 00:56:02,514
even faster than human productivity gains.

722
00:56:02,814 --> 00:56:05,434
Pretty much the only thing that's getting cheaper right now

723
00:56:05,434 --> 00:56:08,174
that's able to outpace inflation is technology,

724
00:56:08,454 --> 00:56:10,374
which is why we go to the store

725
00:56:10,374 --> 00:56:12,214
and you see the TVs are getting cheaper and cheaper.

726
00:56:12,314 --> 00:56:15,054
That's because technology is getting better so fast.

727
00:56:15,094 --> 00:56:16,274
It's actually beating inflation,

728
00:56:16,274 --> 00:56:18,514
but very few things are able to do that.

729
00:56:19,034 --> 00:56:21,774
So it's just going to be more and more things

730
00:56:21,774 --> 00:56:27,174
getting more and more expensive. And this all comes down to, well, it brings us back to just

731
00:56:27,174 --> 00:56:31,354
mental health, which is something we talk about a lot in the carnivore world when people are

732
00:56:31,354 --> 00:56:35,894
feeling helpless because the work that they're doing in their lives isn't enough to feed

733
00:56:35,894 --> 00:56:41,914
themselves or their families, then they're just put in a state of despair. And this is what fiat

734
00:56:41,914 --> 00:56:48,014
money does to a population is when the government is able to steal from people at will, it's going

735
00:56:48,014 --> 00:56:52,954
to continue doing that. It's going to be a magnet for the sociopaths who just want more and more

736
00:56:52,954 --> 00:57:00,034
power and will play into that corrupt game. And it's not going to stop. And you talked about wars

737
00:57:00,034 --> 00:57:04,194
a little bit there. Unfortunately, this is looking like it's going to be an increasingly relevant

738
00:57:04,194 --> 00:57:08,594
topic as, you know, turning on the news and looking what's going on all over the world right

739
00:57:08,594 --> 00:57:13,874
now. We got Ukraine and Russia, we got Taiwan and China and who else knows what could be on the

740
00:57:13,874 --> 00:57:21,074
horizon, a really simple analogy to look at how war works on different money standards.

741
00:57:22,274 --> 00:57:38,159
Back when we were on the gold standard just think about like the feudal days when you have two kingdoms with a big pot of gold on each side they have an army and they want to fight each other one of them wants to take over the other one so they the king has this big pot of gold to pay their soldiers with to go fight

742
00:57:38,159 --> 00:57:43,479
and the two sides basically just keep going as long as they have money left because they need

743
00:57:43,479 --> 00:57:48,859
to pay their soldiers as soon as they ran out of gold the soldiers wouldn't get paid anymore they

744
00:57:48,859 --> 00:57:56,559
said fuck i'm going home the war is over and it's finished it stops and what we have now is infinite

745
00:57:56,559 --> 00:58:03,819
money printing war where they never stop the the goal is to continue perpetuating these wars as

746
00:58:03,819 --> 00:58:08,099
long as possible because that's that's sweet dollar bills for the military industrial complex

747
00:58:08,099 --> 00:58:13,399
that's what they want they want they continue showering money on both sides of the war so they

748
00:58:13,399 --> 00:58:18,799
can profit off of all the death on both sides and these are just truly sick people you know it's

749
00:58:18,799 --> 00:58:44,219
It's a really crazy situation. It's all enabled by fiat money, the ability to print infinite money. And this is why Bitcoin plays a huge part in this conversation. And it's understandable why outsiders think that when we talk about Bitcoin stops war, that's too hyperbolic. That's crazy. It doesn't make sense. It's just a goofy internet coin. It's just like this goofy toy.

750
00:58:44,219 --> 00:58:51,699
but no this is a huge huge deal this is a new form of money being introduced on the market which is

751
00:58:51,699 --> 00:58:58,419
truly free it cannot be confiscated it has a hard supply cap and it's fully transparent in every

752
00:58:58,419 --> 00:59:03,619
single 10 minutes there's a new block so everyone can go audit it the federal reserve has never been

753
00:59:03,619 --> 00:59:08,299
audited there's no transparency whatsoever but on bitcoin anyone can go look at the entire ledger

754
00:59:08,299 --> 00:59:13,239
so it's just a total game changer in so many ways well that's awesome yeah well and then even just

755
00:59:13,239 --> 00:59:17,839
just just war bonds you know stop wars you know because it's just like all right well that's not

756
00:59:17,839 --> 00:59:22,119
happening and um then obviously when things are like important like you're getting invaded people

757
00:59:22,119 --> 00:59:27,679
are gonna people are gonna pony up you know and um and so yeah that's really important and and

758
00:59:27,679 --> 00:59:34,039
you even if we don't repeal the 16th amendment put the cap in there you know put that 10 percent

759
00:59:34,039 --> 00:59:40,259
that's it cap on there and say like nothing more than this like why do we not have you know uh

760
00:59:40,259 --> 00:59:48,419
you know, an amendment on that amendment and get like, you know, get enough votes together,

761
00:59:48,499 --> 00:59:53,299
enough states together to say like, no, this is, you've been reckless with this. You've got to be

762
00:59:53,299 --> 01:00:03,239
put in timeout and just, you know, do that the whole 10% maximum sort of tax rate. I was going

763
01:00:03,239 --> 01:00:07,299
to say, because we are unfortunately running out a bit, a bit out of time, but I just wanted to,

764
01:00:07,299 --> 01:00:20,339
I don't know if we're going to be able to get to everything else, but just one real quick question, hopefully, is a concern that some people have that I've had, which is like when you buy Bitcoin, you say you can't track it.

765
01:00:20,339 --> 01:00:31,519
But some things like, you know, I think Coinbase is now having to report to Australia or they're not allowed to take their money out or those sort of things are getting it reported to the tax office and things like that.

766
01:00:31,519 --> 01:00:38,459
But, you know, that sort of raises the question, you have your Bitcoin on these different platforms and apps.

767
01:00:39,299 --> 01:00:40,299
How do you get it out?

768
01:00:40,539 --> 01:00:41,939
How do you then turn that into money?

769
01:00:41,979 --> 01:00:44,799
If you're in El Salvador, you can go to McDonald's.

770
01:00:44,879 --> 01:00:45,819
But what about if you're not?

771
01:00:46,439 --> 01:00:49,939
How do you get your cash out when you need it and to spend money?

772
01:00:51,179 --> 01:00:51,919
Great question.

773
01:00:52,019 --> 01:00:54,379
So those are the exchanges that you're talking about.

774
01:00:54,439 --> 01:00:57,719
The Coinbase, there's Coinbase, there's Cracking, there's Cash App.

775
01:00:58,099 --> 01:01:00,239
There's lots of different options where you can go.

776
01:01:00,239 --> 01:01:02,499
and it's like a marketplace for buying Bitcoin.

777
01:01:03,219 --> 01:01:05,479
And oh, by the way, don't even touch crypto.

778
01:01:05,619 --> 01:01:06,599
Crypto is a waste of time.

779
01:01:06,819 --> 01:01:08,779
Go to whybitcoinonly.com to learn more on that.

780
01:01:09,659 --> 01:01:11,599
But essentially, that's just a place

781
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:12,479
where you get the Bitcoin,

782
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:14,119
but you want to move it off of there quickly

783
01:01:14,119 --> 01:01:16,779
because that is a choke point

784
01:01:16,779 --> 01:01:19,059
that the government can screw with.

785
01:01:19,419 --> 01:01:21,599
That's a central point of failure, that exchange.

786
01:01:21,799 --> 01:01:24,099
So every one of these exchanges has a functionality

787
01:01:24,099 --> 01:01:25,619
where you can send that Bitcoin

788
01:01:25,619 --> 01:01:27,879
that you bought in the exchange to an external wallet.

789
01:01:27,879 --> 01:01:30,759
and you can get blue wallet on your phone.

790
01:01:30,859 --> 01:01:32,779
You can get moon wallet, Zeus wallet.

791
01:01:32,999 --> 01:01:34,159
There's lots of options

792
01:01:34,159 --> 01:01:35,779
and it's really easy Google search.

793
01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:36,879
There's plenty of them out there.

794
01:01:38,039 --> 01:01:39,479
Most Bitcoiners that are veterans

795
01:01:39,479 --> 01:01:41,219
really recommend a cold storage wallet

796
01:01:41,219 --> 01:01:42,819
that's completely offline.

797
01:01:43,079 --> 01:01:44,639
Like cold card is one, for example,

798
01:01:44,699 --> 01:01:45,779
just to throw it out there.

799
01:01:46,459 --> 01:01:48,939
And that way it's completely off the exchange

800
01:01:48,939 --> 01:01:51,459
and you're good to go.

801
01:01:51,579 --> 01:01:52,859
It's off the internet.

802
01:01:52,919 --> 01:01:54,699
You want to be off the internet as soon as possible

803
01:01:54,699 --> 01:01:55,739
so it can't be taken away.

804
01:01:56,019 --> 01:01:56,959
Does that answer your question?

805
01:01:57,739 --> 01:01:57,879
Yeah.

806
01:01:57,979 --> 01:02:03,359
And then when you have that there, let's say like, oh, something happened, shit hit the

807
01:02:03,359 --> 01:02:03,699
fan.

808
01:02:04,159 --> 01:02:05,759
I need to buy something.

809
01:02:05,899 --> 01:02:10,519
How do you get that money out again and turn it into a fiat currency and then use it to

810
01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:10,999
exchange?

811
01:02:12,259 --> 01:02:16,539
So if you did need to switch it to fiat, this is something I've never done because I'm holding

812
01:02:16,539 --> 01:02:17,739
my Bitcoin until the grave.

813
01:02:17,739 --> 01:02:20,539
But you would just go back to the exchange or any exchange.

814
01:02:20,659 --> 01:02:22,139
It wouldn't even have to be the same one.

815
01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:24,319
It would just be something you'd set up your account with.

816
01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:28,539
You would send that Bitcoin back there and do the exchange for fiat.

817
01:02:30,099 --> 01:02:32,579
Like I said, I'm not expecting to ever do that.

818
01:02:32,799 --> 01:02:34,499
I'm using that as my savings account.

819
01:02:34,619 --> 01:02:41,519
I'm keeping some fiat on the side for situations where I do need it still in fiat world to pay rent and taxes and all that stuff.

820
01:02:41,639 --> 01:02:43,579
But Bitcoin is my savings account.

821
01:02:43,659 --> 01:02:44,579
That's not being touched.

822
01:02:44,799 --> 01:02:46,559
I'm locking that up for the long term.

823
01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:53,439
Okay. And so the idea is that you think that long-term you're going to be able to use Bitcoin as

824
01:02:53,439 --> 01:03:00,879
currently, like you'll be able to have a card and buy and sell things with Bitcoin and have

825
01:03:00,879 --> 01:03:14,624
that directly go to your wallet Is that right Yeah So the long vision is I mean if things go to shit today and everything blows up I just going to fly down to El Salvador and that going to be the spot because you can do everything with Bitcoin there All you need is your phone and just any of the wallet apps

826
01:03:14,624 --> 01:03:20,124
and you can just scan a QR code to buy things and it takes seconds. And that's, there's a

827
01:03:20,124 --> 01:03:23,144
lightning network, which is a whole different can where I probably don't have time for that,

828
01:03:23,225 --> 01:03:27,825
but this is for like the quick payments that you're going to be using to buy your steak and

829
01:03:27,825 --> 01:03:34,865
buy your burger. But on-chain Bitcoin is the kind that you want to hold for the long term.

830
01:03:35,384 --> 01:03:41,024
I don't mean to throw any extra confusion in there, but one extra thing to add is that there's

831
01:03:41,024 --> 01:03:44,644
going to be more and more countries going on to the Bitcoin standard. We are still early to this,

832
01:03:44,705 --> 01:03:49,904
so right now it's pretty slim pickings, but you can even find people in your communities in any

833
01:03:49,904 --> 01:03:54,744
country. And when I was in Austin, Texas, for example, tons of places accepting Bitcoin. They

834
01:03:54,744 --> 01:03:58,544
can just have it on the side. There's people at farmer's market, they're starting to have Bitcoin

835
01:03:58,544 --> 01:04:04,144
accepted here signs. And it's in a decentralized grassroots way, more and more small business

836
01:04:04,144 --> 01:04:07,845
owners and entrepreneurs are starting to accept it. So you don't have to wait for the government

837
01:04:07,845 --> 01:04:11,644
to give it the okay. That's, I mean, the point of Bitcoin is that you don't give a fuck what they

838
01:04:11,644 --> 01:04:16,664
say. You can just pay peer to peer with people that have a Bitcoin wallet. That's all I got to

839
01:04:16,664 --> 01:04:22,024
do. There's zero third parties involved. Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah. And I guess that's, that is

840
01:04:22,024 --> 01:04:26,565
the point you were making was that this is, at the moment anyway, this is sort of an investment

841
01:04:26,565 --> 01:04:31,804
sort of thing against hedging against inflation and this sort of nonsense that's going on. It is

842
01:04:31,804 --> 01:04:37,244
happening. I mean, think about it. 20 years ago, the national debt in America was the largest it's

843
01:04:37,244 --> 01:04:44,065
ever been. It was $4 trillion. And now it's $36 trillion. I mean, it is just-

844
01:04:44,065 --> 01:04:48,264
By the time we get this podcast out, it'll be another few trillion. I guarantee it. It's just,

845
01:04:48,264 --> 01:04:49,105
It's off the rails.

846
01:04:49,524 --> 01:04:49,744
Yeah.

847
01:04:49,924 --> 01:04:52,605
And so, yeah, it's uncontrolled.

848
01:04:52,985 --> 01:04:54,544
And I think that's on purpose.

849
01:04:54,544 --> 01:05:08,065
I mean, people have made that point that there are people trying to – you have to destroy the currency and devalue it and just blow out the debt of the country to the point that it's not salvageable.

850
01:05:08,144 --> 01:05:09,524
You can't come back from it.

851
01:05:09,965 --> 01:05:14,625
And that will tank the country and then they'll be able to remake it in their own ghoulish image.

852
01:05:16,244 --> 01:05:17,404
But who knows?

853
01:05:17,404 --> 01:05:46,424
But either way, it's bad. It doesn't matter why they're doing it. They're doing it. And it's absolutely ravaging the economy and people's lives. And it's going to have huge repercussions as a result. So it's not a bad idea to hedge your bets or even just buy gold. Like you said, that's a similar sort of idea. And gold can be taken from you. Certainly saw that in Nazi Germany. They're doing that en masse. Bitcoin is a bit more hidden.

854
01:05:46,424 --> 01:05:52,585
same sort of concept. But if you're not comfortable with Bitcoin, maybe be comfortable

855
01:05:52,585 --> 01:05:59,365
with gold or something like that. Watch your feelings. Get your teeth pulled. I've seen

856
01:05:59,365 --> 01:06:04,865
that happen. But great. Well, Ben, thank you so much for coming on. It's been a pleasure.

857
01:06:05,085 --> 01:06:09,504
Very interesting. It is a topic that I am interested in. I haven't sort of pulled the

858
01:06:09,504 --> 01:06:14,424
trigger on it myself, but it's something that I think I probably will. I have a bit,

859
01:06:14,424 --> 01:06:18,484
but nothing to speak of anyway.

860
01:06:18,585 --> 01:06:19,404
And I don't know all the tricks

861
01:06:19,404 --> 01:06:21,264
on hiding it off of Coinbase

862
01:06:21,264 --> 01:06:22,325
and all that sort of stuff.

863
01:06:22,384 --> 01:06:24,024
So that's something I'll need to look into as well.

864
01:06:24,185 --> 01:06:25,784
The man to talk to, Dr. Chafee,

865
01:06:25,865 --> 01:06:27,264
I'm not letting you turn this off

866
01:06:27,264 --> 01:06:28,565
without me giving you the shill.

867
01:06:28,945 --> 01:06:29,904
Saif Adina Moose,

868
01:06:30,185 --> 01:06:31,544
author of The Bitcoin Standard.

869
01:06:32,205 --> 01:06:33,804
I've been lobbying for a while on Twitter.

870
01:06:33,884 --> 01:06:35,164
I know you're not super active over there,

871
01:06:35,164 --> 01:06:37,365
but I've been tagging you two for like a year now.

872
01:06:37,585 --> 01:06:39,904
This would be an incredible podcast.

873
01:06:40,185 --> 01:06:42,205
You two would compliment each other so well.

874
01:06:42,664 --> 01:06:44,024
He's extremely smart dude,

875
01:06:44,024 --> 01:06:48,845
really into Austrian economics. And that book he wrote, The Bitcoin Standard, is like the big fat

876
01:06:48,845 --> 01:06:54,004
surprise of the Bitcoin world. This is like the ultimate book to read. So anyone out there looking

877
01:06:54,004 --> 01:06:58,205
to learn more about this, go straight to The Bitcoin Standard, read that. It will change your

878
01:06:58,205 --> 01:07:03,685
life. I promise you. I'd be super interested. Have you ever seen Thomas Sowell talk about Bitcoin at

879
01:07:03,685 --> 01:07:08,725
all? I've never heard him say anything. I haven't. You know, that's a good question. I haven't

880
01:07:08,725 --> 01:07:13,105
actually looked that up. I usually look into him when I'm just researching the history. So

881
01:07:13,105 --> 01:07:16,085
So I think he would love it if he's out there talking about it.

882
01:07:16,085 --> 01:07:16,424
I don't know.

883
01:07:16,685 --> 01:07:17,484
I'd have to look into it.

884
01:07:17,845 --> 01:07:18,325
That'd be interesting.

885
01:07:18,825 --> 01:07:23,065
Well, send me that guy's info, maybe some of the videos he has, and I'll check him out

886
01:07:23,065 --> 01:07:24,685
and maybe we can do something.

887
01:07:25,384 --> 01:07:25,664
I will.

888
01:07:25,764 --> 01:07:26,384
He's a carnivore.

889
01:07:27,024 --> 01:07:28,164
You guys will get along very well.

890
01:07:28,484 --> 01:07:28,784
Awesome.

891
01:07:29,144 --> 01:07:29,345
Yeah.

892
01:07:29,585 --> 01:07:30,705
Already speaking my language.

893
01:07:31,144 --> 01:07:32,504
So cool.

894
01:07:32,625 --> 01:07:34,004
Ben, thank you so much for coming on.

895
01:07:34,004 --> 01:07:34,984
It's been an absolute pleasure.

896
01:07:35,984 --> 01:07:38,924
So the website is whycarnivore.com.

897
01:07:38,924 --> 01:07:40,904
and can you tell us

898
01:07:40,904 --> 01:07:43,044
your other social media, podcasts

899
01:07:43,044 --> 01:07:43,945
other sorts of places

900
01:07:43,945 --> 01:07:44,825
if people can find you

901
01:07:44,825 --> 01:07:47,484
yeah so my name

902
01:07:47,484 --> 01:07:48,725
benworman.com

903
01:07:48,725 --> 01:07:49,845
I have everything there

904
01:07:49,845 --> 01:07:51,244
I have my podcast there

905
01:07:51,244 --> 01:07:52,825
it's just the Ben Werman podcast

906
01:07:52,825 --> 01:07:54,105
whycarnivore.com

907
01:07:54,105 --> 01:07:55,664
is my big carnivore website

908
01:07:55,664 --> 01:07:57,164
whybitcoinonly.com

909
01:07:57,164 --> 01:07:58,225
is the bitcoin version

910
01:07:58,225 --> 01:07:59,404
I have a couple more

911
01:07:59,404 --> 01:08:01,004
I'll just shock it out here

912
01:08:01,004 --> 01:08:03,125
we didn't get to talk about Nostra today

913
01:08:03,125 --> 01:08:04,524
we're going to save that for next time

914
01:08:04,524 --> 01:08:05,945
studynostra.com

915
01:08:05,945 --> 01:08:06,544
that's study

916
01:08:06,544 --> 01:08:08,804
n-o-s-t-r.com

917
01:08:09,365 --> 01:08:10,185
People check that out.

918
01:08:10,264 --> 01:08:11,404
It's decentralized social media.

919
01:08:11,504 --> 01:08:12,044
Super cool.

920
01:08:12,884 --> 01:08:15,424
And yeah, we've got so much to talk about next time.

921
01:08:15,544 --> 01:08:17,424
We'll reconnect when Bitcoin hits 100K.

922
01:08:17,504 --> 01:08:17,924
How about that?

923
01:08:18,524 --> 01:08:18,804
Awesome.

924
01:08:19,004 --> 01:08:19,685
Sounds good, man.

925
01:08:20,965 --> 01:08:22,044
Great chat with you, sir.

926
01:08:22,144 --> 01:08:22,845
Have a good one.

927
01:08:23,044 --> 01:08:23,524
Too, man.

928
01:08:23,845 --> 01:08:24,984
Thank you, everyone, for watching.

929
01:08:25,105 --> 01:08:26,004
Really appreciate it.

930
01:08:26,125 --> 01:08:30,904
Let me know your thoughts on Bitcoin and Carnivore and how these worlds are colliding

931
01:08:30,904 --> 01:08:34,404
and what your thoughts are as well about everything we talked about.

932
01:08:34,404 --> 01:08:40,504
sort of branch out into economics and a bit of politics as well, which is not par for the course.

933
01:08:40,685 --> 01:08:45,644
But hopefully people found that interesting. Let me know what you thought. And we'll see you next time.