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Hello, welcome to Basecamp for Men. I'm your host, Tony Rezac. This is a show that gives

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you insights and resources in how to live a more courageous life. We look to assist you

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on your hero's journey in any way that we can. Truth is our compass, humanity, our tribe.

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Welcome and let's get started.

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Hello, Basecampers. I hope you're all doing well. One of the things that we've been tasked

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with you and I is to consider and when appropriate to adopt new ways of seeing things. We've been

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given so many false notions in so many areas of life, government, education, media and health,

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for instance. The best we can do, in my humble opinion, is to keep an open mind and to continue

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to look for ideas and people that uplift and inspire you, for they are your fellow travelers

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in this great awakening that we're experiencing. Humanity seems to be emerging from the fog of

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deception. Our antennas are getting more sharply attuned to the truth. And the more truth that

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comes to light, the more confident we become in our path and in ourselves and one another.

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What are some of these new ideas that are emerging that can help elevate us? Well,

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we're going to cover much of this and more today with a man that I've had the great fortune to

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connect with recently. This could easily be two men sitting around the campfire talking far and

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wide about our shared future. And before we get to the episode, I wanted to share two memes with

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you that I think will help tee this one up. One is from my guest's website, a quote from the writer

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Timothy Ferris, who says, quote, the specialist spends decades making incremental improvements,

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while the curious generalist consistently measures improvement in quantum leaps, unquote. Oh,

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and finally, one from my own website, quote, truth is also seeking the seeker, unquote. Enjoy the

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episode. My guest today is Ben Wurman. Ben is a fellow seeker of truth, photographer,

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digital nomad, writer, and podcaster. Here is my interview with Ben Wurman.

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All right, I am here with Ben Wurman, photographer and truther, podcaster, Ben Wurman. Ben,

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welcome to Basecamp for Men. It's great to have you on the show.

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Tony, it is a wonderful pleasure to connect.

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I'm so glad that our friend Peruvian Bull got us together.

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A bunch of Seattle brothers are all finding each other on the interwebs, and it's happy to be here.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, I was really excited.

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I've been eyeing your stuff on Noster, just writing excellent content about all kinds of stuff that I'm into and just doing a great job.

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So I was really excited for him to connect us.

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And I guess just to start with, maybe just give us a little bit of a background, like where you're from, where you grew up, what you might do for work, where are you at now?

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You're kind of a nomad from what I understand.

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So just give us a little sketch of your background and what you're doing and where you're doing it from now.

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Yeah.

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I can't even remember where you were originally raised, but I know you're in Seattle now.

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But I was born and raised in the Northwest, born in Portland, Oregon, then raised in on

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Woodby Island, which is just about an hour and a half north of Seattle and amazing, beautiful

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place to grow up.

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And I was one of the people who I really did appreciate growing up.

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I know a lot of people there just like, oh, this boring farm town.

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There's nothing to do here.

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There's nobody here.

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It was really small, Coopville, where I was from.

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But I always loved it because there's so much nature everywhere.

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Just where my parents live right now, when I go back to visit, it's right downstream

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from the beach. I can literally walk down to the beach with my shoes off and I can take my mountain

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bike out into the hills and the mountains and just go riding all day. And it's just a really

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cool place to grow up. Went to school at the University of Washington, right near the neck

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of the woods there. And after that, I got a regular full-time job for a short period of time

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and quickly realized I hate this. I don't like doing this. So I just started traveling. And in

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2018, I have a little bit of a funny story for how I even got into traveling to begin with.

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I was living in Central District in Seattle in a townhouse with some frat buddies from college.

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And we were having this house party one night.

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And one of my roommate's friends had just gotten back from a six-month working holiday in Australia.

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And so I chatted with him about this.

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And we were both just, you know, drinking at the party and just I'm just absorbing this guy's story and just thinking, man, this sounds so cool.

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This sounds so cool.

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And so literally in the middle of the party, as I'm drunk, I go down to my room.

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I grab my laptop.

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I come up.

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I just clear the beer cans off the table.

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And I literally sign up for this visa on the table in the middle of this party.

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I'm like, I want to go to Australia.

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This sounds amazing.

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That's awesome.

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And so the next morning I'd wake up hungover and just thinking, I don't regret that at all.

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I think this is exactly what I need to do right now.

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Let's go to Australia.

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So a few months later, I'm on a plane over there.

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And man, ever since then, I was 2018.

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So it's been seven years of basically slow traveling, I would call.

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I was never the type to just go one night per place or even a few nights per place and just keep moving around.

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I like to settle down places.

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So that very first trip, I did four months in Melbourne, the city, the first day I went to Australia, and then eight months in Queensland, up in Cairns.

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I just like to have my home move around every once in a while.

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I give you a little bit of flexibility.

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And so I landed with usually two home visits per year back in Cooville, which is a great place to recharge.

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And like I said, just stand on a beach, walk on a beach, go bike riding, just all the nature around the Northwest is just so great for just healing any of those months I spent in the city.

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And yeah, so I'm still doing that to this day, to be honest.

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I just turned 30 in October, so I definitely do more and more think about, okay, when's the next step of actually settling down, getting married, starting a family, having that dream Bitcoin or homestead with all the meat I could ever ask for in my freezer.

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and really locking in good water quality and a good filter for that

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and really being able to lock in these health things

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because, as I'm sure we'll talk about, I'm super into the health rabbit holes.

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How do you optimize your health in the best way possible?

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And some of them are so impossible while traveling.

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has been water and just drinking water.

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and I know how terrible that is.

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So it's just been a constant struggle.

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and just cringe my way through these things,

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grounding, trying to undo the damage.

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But these are the trade-offs when you're sort of living a life

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of floating around in the abyss as you are exposed to the fiat world

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and all of its ridiculousness

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and people just aren't thinking about health and having these things dialed in anywhere.

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but still people just aren't thinking.

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with their money being stolen from them all the time.

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which was Australia, New Zealand, Mexico, Colombia, Argentina, Guatemala,

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everywhere people are struggling.

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And so this is why I'm a huge Bitcoiners. I'm super glad that you get into that on your show a lot. Bitcoin is the solution in my eyes, and that's what I'm up to right now.

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That's fantastic, Ben. You know, the health thing, which we're going to get into, it's interesting that it goes hand in hand in the Bitcoin community.

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It's not left out. If it was only Bitcoin as digital store of value and all these things, I don't think it would be quite as interesting for me.

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and we'll get into that.

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I want to start with the first question I had for you.

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But yeah, it's just, I love that Bitcoiners

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have a view of the whole thing, diet, health,

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like they're clued in as to where we want to go

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with the future.

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And it's just really, really great.

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about this spiritual war that's been happening

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and we're calling it, we still call it humanity on one side

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and the globalists or the cabal,

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or I've used the sociopaths.

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There's a lot of different ways to describe them.

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And a lot of us got banned for some of the things that we were saying on social media.

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Are you optimistic right now?

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I think there was a sea change and people may or may not like Donald Trump, but it seemed like when he won the presidency this November, things started to move in a direction really rapidly.

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Things were starting to happen.

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And then here in the United States, as you can probably guess, half the country or slightly more than half, let's say, since he won the popular vote, are very excited.

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I think they are willing to overlook certain things that they're not sure how they're going to come out going, look, I think he has the country's best interest at heart.

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I think he's doing a lot of good things.

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And then you have this other large group on the left and even in the center who who may be feeling like there's they're freaking out because the the the speed of what's happening is not what they're used to.

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I think you and I, I can handle things happening fast.

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Even that being said, I'm like, whoa, what else?

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What's going on?

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That was a fast week.

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But for people that have been really married to the status quo, this all looks like somebody is tearing the hell out of the status quo structures, which, to be fair, are immensely corrupt.

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So it should be, you know, sayonara, goodbye. We don't want that anymore. But there's a group that still, like, Trump's a dictator, Trump's evil, and everything he's doing is bad.

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And so we're kind of in this weird spot in this war where I feel super optimistic because of all the things we're going to talk about.

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But I guess I want to just ask you, like, are you are you feeling like things are going in a good direction?

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What has you optimistic? And yeah, where are we at and how are things occurring down there in Argentina as well with all this stuff?

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Are they also kind of split between two groups?

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I mean short answer is I'm definitely optimistic and I think that like you I know that you always

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talk about this on your show how you know we have to be optimistic you can't really be down in the

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dumps and expect to win this thing you know we have to really dig deep sometimes to stay optimistic

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because there's a lot of dark things out there and when you learn more and more about the dark

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forces that play that are we are you know up against it's daunting sometimes yeah and uh it

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there are some tough moments. I know that another one that you are digging into is a whole

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geoengineering chemtrails thing, that 5 millionth conspiracy theory thing that the conspiracy

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theorists were right about. It's happening. I can see it outside right now. It's literally

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happening here in Argentina It everywhere It much better here than it was back home In late January I was actually stayed at this was fun I stayed in Seattle at UW for a week I got an Airbnb just a block away from the old frat house

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I was in at the University of Washington

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just so I could like record some podcast episodes

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around campus, the place I used to study.

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everywhere like looking up and just seeing like on my walk down to the the suzlo library there's

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just freaking trails all over the place in the sky and all the kids are just looking down at their

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feet as they're walking to class i have no idea what's what's going on and another example there's

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one really nice sunny day i just immediately went to the the quad and just took my shirt off and just

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laid down like a starfish to get my sunlight because i know that's really good and people

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are looking at y'all weird because it was like winter time it's cold out why are you shirtless

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in the sun that's crazy like this i this is really good for you actually i know that whatever

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medical school teaching you're getting is it is terrible and you have a sunscreen deficiency or

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whatever but um that was just wild and regarding that the political points you brought up i it's so

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funny that my politics are just been all over the place over the last several years

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growing up in the northwest i was very very much hard left blue everything me too for the majority

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of my life, just like you. And I would say that finally started changing when I went down the

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Bitcoin rabbit hole. Like you said, that's the really good core rabbit hole that branches off

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into everything else. Once you understand the money and the power and how the government operates,

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now fiat and the money printer of the central banking operates. So I went from completely blue

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to like, huh, this is all kind of crazy, sort of libertarian. And then for this last election cycle,

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I continued putting out the libertarian style context.

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That will always be my thing.

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Just forget about all these people.

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I don't want to be led by anybody.

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I want to lead myself.

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Internally, I was definitely thinking, oh, man, things would be worse if Kamala won.

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So I hope Trump wins just because I know that there are more awake people on that side that need a win.

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And I will say it's now March, and he's done way worse than I thought he would.

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That may be a hot take for – I don't know what your audience feels about that.

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But just the way that the money is being spent and the Epstein files continuing to be kicked down the road into JFK files and they're like making new laws about, you know, anti-Semitism.

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You get deported out of the country if you question anything about Israel and then you scratch your head and do a little more digging on that.

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Like, oh, like all of the dough shavings times a bazillion, they're just sending this over to Israel.

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So the whole Israel thing has been a new rabbit hole, which we can go there or not if you want to.

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I know that's a whole different can of worms, but I think I think we'll save that for a part two, because I think that could be a really good one.

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But, yeah, I've all I've often scratched my head.

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It's like, why? Why is Israel always get the preferential treatment with the money laundering?

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You know, and yeah, yeah.

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And I and I feel you, you know, there's there's times when I think it's dangerous to just say, oh, the White Hats have it.

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there's nothing we need to do because like for instance to your point about the chemtrails and

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the geoengineering the aerosol spraying what are we going to do about that i know there's people

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things to get them to stop and rfk jr has been on record saying we're going to put an end we're

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going to put an end to this this spraying of the skies he has said that we're going to stop this

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crime is what he said on like a tweet i know and so and i don't want to be so high time preference

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that i expect everything to happen at once like bitcoin has taught me look zoom out keep the faith

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keep your vibration high because my family freaks out over the spring it'll be a beautiful day

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in seattle and all of a sudden you're like damn it look at that again and then white hay is just

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white sound just turned into grow light yeah and gross man you can point some people you can point

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to it and they will literally not see it and i'm like this has got to be the weirdest matrix moment

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where i'm pointing and going do you see that do you see all that spraying up there and they'll

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look up and go what are you talking about i don't see anything i'm like i heard it's water vapor

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it's just it's ice crystals yeah and you're like no it's not that at all look i go stand here for

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15 minutes and watch what this does to the sky or like three hours yeah it doesn't go away no it

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doesn't covers the entire sky i saw this last night yeah i was doing one of my podcast walks

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i do everywhere i go no matter where i'm traveling i i try to end every single day that i can with

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um not looking at the screen i i get on my phone and i put on my most reddit out filter

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just so i can you know see what i'm typing i just listen to podcasts airplane mode always

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and go walk around and just get some blood flowing before I go to bed.

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That's great.

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Because I definitely have like a lot of grinding sessions on my laptop.

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I'm sure many listeners do that are in this information war.

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So, yeah, last night, literally the sunset was stolen.

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It was just completely sprayed over, just hazed out.

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And all the people just taking pictures for Instagram.

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It was so pretty.

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Look at the purple colors and this giant cloud that just appeared.

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Oh, my God.

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And that night, literally, I continued walking through the night.

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The moon came out.

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And then that same cloud is like still going, covering up the whole moon.

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It's like, this is just, it's so, and I didn't really fully answer your question earlier.

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How do you stay optimistic?

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It's impossible to not have those really tough moments.

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And I viscerally remember when I was really going down to geoengineering rabbit hole,

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which I want to throw a shout out to Daniel Prince before I go any further.

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He's the guy that really pulled me into it.

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He's another Bitcoin podcaster, awesome dude, fearless.

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But anyway, this was, when was this?

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Time's kind of blurring together.

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I think this was probably summertime, summer of 24, if I'm not mistaken.

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I was back home visiting family and just watching all these documentaries and going through the research and the data and really putting the pieces together and realizing this is really a thing.

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And going out to my favorite little nature walks in the forest out there.

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There's so many cool nature spots in the Northwest, as you know.

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and seeing it with very different eyes as it rains a little bit through the leaves and you feel the

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rain on your skin i used to absolutely love that but now i'm thinking oh there's fucking aluminum

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in this rain yeah there is toxic rain and you're looking around at the trees and they're all

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fucking dry and dying and oh you realize there used to be birds singing everywhere and butterflies

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everywhere and bees everywhere in my mom's garden and now there's nothing there's a few squirrels

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scurrying around and a couple of dead bees on the ground, they're all dead.

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They're dying.

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They're being killed by all this.

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And they've actually tested the bumblebees and they are packed full of aluminum.

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And this is why you see bugs sometimes just walking around in circles, acting wigged out

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and just dying everywhere.

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It's because they're really sensitive to that aluminum.

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And it's going inside of us too.

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This is the ultimate test of your resilience.

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Can you make that realization that you are breathing in aluminum nanoparticles and still be optimistic and happy?

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That's a real test.

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And it will turn a lot of people away and make a lot of people go crazy.

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But I'm sure you're in the same boat as me.

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I feel like I'm a pretty mentally tough, resilient guy.

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So if I don't just keep digging into this, who will?

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We need the people out there who have the fortitude to do this, to do it, and use every single tool we can to get the word out and spread awareness.

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And there are definitely some days where I get really excited and see really big pages start to figure it out.

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When you see different social media accounts start to figure it out and they're posting about this, you're seeing the awareness growing and the tide is shifting.

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And I think that is a crucial part of this.

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how much do we trust the politicians i don't trust them at all anymore i've gone completely

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back to like fuck all of them yep even even rfk is doing a bunch of shit now that just doesn't

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make any sense compared to what he was saying before so i'm back to just hating them all which

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is honestly my happy place i like hating all the politicians that's great as far as solutions for

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the chemtrails type of thing i i'm sure we'll talk about this maybe this could be a transition

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whenever you want to but the four emojis i have on my podcast i think that all three of those the

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Bitcoin, Nostra, Steak, and Sunshine, I can lay out an argument for every single one of those,

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how those do lead us to a solution. We can do that however you want to do it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll get into that. I just wanted to finish the geoengineering thing. I

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don't know if you noticed. One thing I notice about it, because I go and run GreenLake,

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that's one of the things I do. It makes my skin kind of itchy if they've been spraying. Even if

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I don't see it, I can tell there's something in the air. There's aluminum. There's some sort of

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chemicals because my skin will start to itch quite a bit. And that wasn't happening prior.

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And that here in Seattle, as you know, we've got a homegrown psychopath, Bill Gates, and he's

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one of the big proponents of we got to dim the sun because of global warming. And it's like,

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come again? You know, I mean, he's on record. People say that's a conspiracy. I'm like,

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he talks about it quite a bit for it being a quote unquote conspiracy theory. And he's got a

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lot of money. And when I look at the, I'm surprised to hear that it's down there in Argentina so much,

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actually, because I saw a graph once and it looked like it was heavy west of the Rockies,

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but maybe that was just that month. Maybe they rotate around and it can be really difficult to

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see who the hell is doing this and where did they get the okay to do this? That's what I'm not

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seeing is where's the debate? Where's the, how are they just flying and dumping shit in the air?

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And there's no accountability at all. It's just kind of like, no, we're doing this. Air is our jurisdiction and we can we can do whatever we want. It's a little it's a little weird to me. Right. It's a little it's surreal, you know.

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um but to your point earlier that's the to me that's the litmus test because it definitely puts

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me in victim a slight victim mentality fuck these guys these psychopaths you know uh and i don't feel

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empowered i don't feel like we yet have a solution so it makes it does not make me feel uplifted i'm

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still looking for a solution and trying to count on others that i may or may not be able to count

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on to help me with it, like RFK Jr., right?

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So let's tie that up.

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But I had earmarked that you had written that the four things that will save humanity, here

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we go, are Bitcoin, Noster, Steak, and Sunshine.

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Man, oh man, I could put that up on my wall.

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And before we get into the carnivore thing, which I want to talk to you about, because

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I want to learn something about it, because I'm not completely into that world, and I've

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seen your before and after pictures, but let's just touch on why you love Bitcoin and why you

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love Noster, because I feel like people are hearing about Bitcoin and some are like, maybe

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they got to hear it a few times. I think they're starting to see the value because it's on the

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news. It's on ad money. I mean, people are talking about it. There's memes and it's all over the

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internet. But Noster, I think people are still like, what is that? People still don't know what

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it is So I guess I wanted to give you a chance to talk about both of them and why that helping you to feel optimistic And then we get into the stake conversation Yeah I mean part of the excitement of all four of these things Bitcoin Nostra stake and sunshine that I sort of chosen as my four pillars

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We're very new to all of them in the sense of people really understanding them or knowing about them.

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And so, yeah, I think we're very early to Bitcoin.

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We're really, really, really early to Nostra.

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Like if you talk to 100 people on the street, none of them are – zero out of 100 are going to know about Noster.

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Maybe one if you're in a very sovereign place that values freedom.

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But yeah, I mean these are the solutions that we need.

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And what was your original question once more?

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Oh, just like how do you see that – how do you see the Bitcoin Noster thing playing out for humanity?

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Perfect.

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I think I've maintained this over time that part of humanities, we're kind of charged with building.

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If we don't like the centralized, corrupt, globalist systems, we need to build stuff that's decentralized to counter that, right?

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And that includes in medicine.

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That includes in all the things.

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And Nostra is really the first thing I've seen that isn't centrally controlled.

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Certainly X is Twitter, Facebook, and all that.

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So this gives us a chance to build something where I can put something out and all my followers actually see it.

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You know what I mean?

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So, yeah.

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Yeah, and I think that a really great way to frame this for people, you mentioned my blog post I wrote about how these are the four things that will save humanity.

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Yeah.

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I think a good way to frame this is we can just stick with geoengineering.

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Let's use that as an example of this thing that it's really hard to not feel hopeless when you look outside and you see you're being sprayed.

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Like you said, it's hard to not feel like a victim.

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What do you do?

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There's nothing you can physically do.

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So let's use that as a perfect example of something and apply these four things I've chosen.

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And so Bitcoin, what does it do? It sucks out the value of the fiat system, which fiat is what fuels all these insane spending projects where everyone's seen the USAID stuff or just this absurd list of crazy things that they're just blowing money out of their ass.

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There's absolutely no rhyme or reason. They're spending money like they feel like they have to just throw it somewhere.

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So they're throwing it all over the place, billions and billions of dollars. Bitcoin ends that because it puts a cap on the money and it forces responsibility.

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because there's no more money printer.

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It gets rid of the money printer.

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So I think that people, I'm sure have seen in the news

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how there are these occasional phases of governments

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or BlackRock or whatever buying Bitcoin.

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And then all the newbies come out and say,

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oh, they're buying Bitcoin, so it's bad now.

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These are the bad guys are getting Bitcoin.

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I don't want them to succeed.

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But here's the thing,

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is that it's the ultimate example of a Trojan horse

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because you have to get Bitcoin

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if you want to be part of the future.

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And they are being forced into it.

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They have to bend the knee to it eventually.

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And once they're in, everyone is in,

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then the money itself is capped.

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So they're trapped into that system.

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So it's a little bit difficult to explain.

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I hope that's a decent explanation.

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But will the bad guys get some Bitcoin?

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Of course they will.

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They will have to at some point.

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It's an open protocol so everyone can get it.

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That's part of an open protocol so everyone can do it.

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But the difference is that once we are in that system and by them joining the system, it just speeds up their own death.

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Because once you're in that system, you can't play the fiat games anymore, being able to print on infinite money or when in BlackRock's case, just tapping on the shoulder of the Fed or the Congress people and just getting unlimited money for everything from the taxpayers.

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They can't do that anymore, Bitcoin, because they don't have a money printer anymore.

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So that's sort of a long-winded way of saying that Bitcoin will organically eliminate the stupid spending.

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It forces responsibility.

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So you have to actually act smartly with your money.

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You're giving up real money.

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Like right now, I'm sure you've seen that infographic, the four quadrants of how much someone will care about spending money.

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It's your money spending it for yourself or your money spending for someone else, someone spending money for you.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Have you ever seen that before?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Guy Swan did a really good video basically breaking that down of essentially saying that the government is spending other people's money that's not theirs, and they pay no consequence for doing badly with it because they have a money printer they can just ask for.

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So that is the absolute worst combination of incentives.

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They're never going to spend it well.

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It's always going to be nonsense.

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It's going to attract people that spend money on crap.

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And so Bitcoin just blows that up, and it forces responsibility.

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I've sort of gone in circles a couple times.

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Oh, that's great.

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I hope that sort of hits the point at home.

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I went Bitcoin first because I think that's the biggest one because it costs money to run all these programs, to fill up these planes with all those chemicals and fly them all over the fucking world.

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It's everywhere.

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It's everywhere.

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So that has to be a huge expense.

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No one knows how much exactly it is.

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we see some occasional headlines about like, you know, Bill Gates invests a couple hundred

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million and, you know, blocking out the sun and, you know, the UK government, you know,

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signed some deal.

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They're going to use this many millions of taxpayers and they're just getting absolutely

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hammered.

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I don't think anywhere on earth is getting hammered harder than the UK right now when

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you look at the pictures.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think I'm just attracted to the culture around Bitcoin because I don't need, it's not like

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I need nothing but optimists around me.

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But I also I don't want a whole bunch of doomers telling me we can't win this or humanity's fucked or good luck trying to create a new money or whatever.

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I like what I'm seeing out of the Bitcoin developers and what's going on in the Nostra stuff.

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I think we're only seeing like to your point earlier, we're really in the first or second inning.

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and I could see I think if you and I had this conversation 10 years from now we would be like

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holy shit we did not see all the development that was going to happen in these areas like we always

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we were talking about stakes and sunshine and Noster and this stuff wasn't even thought of yet

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and here we are and I think it sets the foundation for a pro-humanity you know pro-earth you know

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there's a lot of like great principles that can be anchored in it.

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And it is starting.

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And one of the things that's happening is they're just shining the shining

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light of truth into the dark corners of what is going on.

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And there is some dark, dark corners.

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I want to talk about that in a sec, but before we get to all that, you know,

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you, I saw carnivore. I've been circling around carnivore.

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I absolutely love grass fed steak, especially high grade.

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I'm like, oh, hell yeah.

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I, my body just loves meat.

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And I remember when I was younger, I had a vegetarian girlfriend.

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So of course I was vegetarian for like a year to try to impress her, but I look like shit.

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We all had one of those.

417
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Yeah.

418
00:30:12,773 --> 00:30:12,973
Yeah.

419
00:30:13,353 --> 00:30:15,873
Yoga girl who was like, you're not going to eat meat.

420
00:30:15,913 --> 00:30:16,093
Are you?

421
00:30:16,113 --> 00:30:16,933
I'm not going to sleep with you.

422
00:30:16,993 --> 00:30:18,493
If you're going to eat meat, I'm like done.

423
00:30:18,593 --> 00:30:19,573
I don't need meat, man.

424
00:30:19,953 --> 00:30:23,973
So, but I look like shit according to all my friends and I didn't feel good.

425
00:30:23,993 --> 00:30:24,933
I was kind of green.

426
00:30:24,933 --> 00:30:29,873
And then when we broke up, as soon as I started eating steak again, everything got better.

427
00:30:29,973 --> 00:30:34,113
Like I could just feel like my testosterone, like, oh, God, this is so good.

428
00:30:34,873 --> 00:30:38,913
And I saw your before and after pictures.

429
00:30:39,073 --> 00:30:41,393
You have a before carnivore diet and after.

430
00:30:41,533 --> 00:30:43,493
And I'm like, holy shit.

431
00:30:43,553 --> 00:30:46,713
I mean, you looked fine in the before picture, but come on.

432
00:30:46,853 --> 00:30:51,533
You look transformed in the after picture, like so much better.

433
00:30:51,533 --> 00:30:55,953
and I'm kind of a foot in both worlds.

434
00:30:56,113 --> 00:30:57,493
So I wanted to get your take on it

435
00:30:57,493 --> 00:30:59,353
because it's a little scary

436
00:30:59,353 --> 00:31:01,433
to think of me eating nothing but carnivore.

437
00:31:01,553 --> 00:31:03,173
That seems too extreme.

438
00:31:03,733 --> 00:31:06,813
We've kind of been taught like vegetables are good for you

439
00:31:06,813 --> 00:31:07,733
and all this stuff,

440
00:31:07,833 --> 00:31:12,173
but I think we've been kind of duped a little bit.

441
00:31:12,293 --> 00:31:15,013
I think they've said red meat's really bad for you

442
00:31:15,013 --> 00:31:16,753
and people have internalized that belief.

443
00:31:16,893 --> 00:31:18,573
So even if we set that aside and go,

444
00:31:18,653 --> 00:31:20,253
hey, I love red meat, I love meat,

445
00:31:20,253 --> 00:31:27,593
it's another step to say vegetables are they are they still good for you or are those not good for

446
00:31:27,593 --> 00:31:32,013
you because i know a lot of nutritionists are saying no don't throw out vegetables right and so

447
00:31:32,013 --> 00:31:38,413
i think carnivore diet may be kind of one of those extreme uh i don't want to say only extreme people

448
00:31:38,413 --> 00:31:44,133
do it but it's an experiment and what did you find and as you were down the rabbit hole what

449
00:31:44,133 --> 00:31:48,853
did you discover specifically about vegetables because i eat a lot of vegetables along with my

450
00:31:48,853 --> 00:31:54,593
stake. So I just wanted to get your take on that and how you navigated that. Did you go down the

451
00:31:54,593 --> 00:31:58,453
rabbit hole and then go, I'm just doing carnivore as an experiment? How did that all unfold for you,

452
00:31:58,533 --> 00:32:04,473
Ben? Yeah. So that was my second rabbit hole, I would say after Bitcoin. And I would say for

453
00:32:04,473 --> 00:32:09,513
anyone who wants to go along that ride with me, this is why it's so cool to have a podcast,

454
00:32:09,513 --> 00:32:14,673
because I can go back and actually listen to the episodes. I started my podcast episode one with

455
00:32:14,673 --> 00:32:21,593
Peruvian bull our mutual friend in August of 2023 and literally in September I decided to start the

456
00:32:21,593 --> 00:32:25,873
carnivore diet as an experiment to see what happens so like right as I start the podcast it was going

457
00:32:25,873 --> 00:32:30,433
to be only about Bitcoin and all of a sudden I'm like going down this other new rabbit hole so

458
00:32:30,433 --> 00:32:36,053
like the the first 10-15 episodes of the podcast are all about Bitcoin and then it takes a turn

459
00:32:36,053 --> 00:32:40,953
into a bunch of carnivore stuff and I have a bunch of people on so anyone who wants to really go down

460
00:32:40,953 --> 00:32:45,033
a full rabbit hole um i would just go listen to my podcast which is just my name the ben worman

461
00:32:45,033 --> 00:32:51,713
podcast and just find the as soon as that you start seeing meat in the title yeah um but yeah

462
00:32:51,713 --> 00:32:59,473
so i want to give credit to the guy who completely pulled me down this one pretty single-handedly

463
00:32:59,473 --> 00:33:03,453
well first of all the one who got on my radar in the first place was safe adina moose

464
00:33:03,453 --> 00:33:10,393
the big point standard author he is just consistently is he is he yeah 100 oh yeah

465
00:33:10,393 --> 00:33:17,553
I saw him clashing with people on Twitter with the fruit and honey people.

466
00:33:17,773 --> 00:33:19,473
Oh, you need fruit too? Honey is good for you.

467
00:33:19,553 --> 00:33:21,513
And he's like, no, that's bullshit. Just eat steak.

468
00:33:22,473 --> 00:33:23,693
No sugar is good for you.

469
00:33:24,153 --> 00:33:25,573
And so I was like, that's weird.

470
00:33:25,573 --> 00:33:31,973
Because at that point, like in 2023, I was sort of on the meat, fruit and honey vibe personally.

471
00:33:32,313 --> 00:33:36,973
Because there's a huge wave of health influencers that are really gathering on that right now.

472
00:33:37,613 --> 00:33:39,133
And so that was where I was.

473
00:33:39,133 --> 00:33:41,553
and I started hearing safedines talk about it.

474
00:33:41,653 --> 00:33:42,433
That's kind of interesting.

475
00:33:42,893 --> 00:33:44,613
But the guy I was going to mention earlier,

476
00:33:44,773 --> 00:33:48,153
the one who really was my rabbit hole guy down this one,

477
00:33:48,353 --> 00:33:50,853
who is like, to me, the safedine of the carnivore world,

478
00:33:50,953 --> 00:33:52,173
the same sort of character.

479
00:33:52,653 --> 00:33:54,433
His name is Dr. Anthony Chafee.

480
00:33:55,453 --> 00:33:59,633
And if you go to my podcast and listen to my episode with him

481
00:33:59,633 --> 00:34:00,573
and just listen to that,

482
00:34:01,113 --> 00:34:03,013
that's probably my favorite episode I've ever done.

483
00:34:03,393 --> 00:34:04,853
I still go back and listen to it

484
00:34:04,853 --> 00:34:08,933
because this guy has just the most insane brain.

485
00:34:08,933 --> 00:34:10,373
and I've ever listened to.

486
00:34:10,373 --> 00:34:12,273
He just like, when he opens his mouth,

487
00:34:12,273 --> 00:34:16,273
he just unloads a straight 30 minutes of constant signal.

488
00:34:16,273 --> 00:34:18,513
It's like, how can I disagree with this guy?

489
00:34:18,513 --> 00:34:23,453
And he, he has this presentation he made on his YouTube channel

490
00:34:23,613 --> 00:34:25,153
called plants are trying to kill you.

491
00:34:25,493 --> 00:34:39,889
And essentially this presentation that he makes and all of his videos and his his his podcast called the plant free MD which I highly recommend um essentially go through that logical journey of understanding

492
00:34:40,769 --> 00:34:42,389
Vegetables were never good for us.

493
00:34:43,309 --> 00:34:44,769
Fruit was never good for us.

494
00:34:45,169 --> 00:34:46,949
No plants were ever good for human beings.

495
00:34:47,009 --> 00:34:47,749
We are carnivores.

496
00:34:47,889 --> 00:34:48,869
We actually are carnivores.

497
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:50,849
And that's his main thing he preaches.

498
00:34:51,269 --> 00:34:56,029
And I can give you the gist of why for on the vegetable side and the fruit

499
00:34:56,029 --> 00:34:57,149
side, just sort of an overview.

500
00:34:57,209 --> 00:35:02,169
yeah for me vegetables it was easier to understand that those were not good the fruit and honey

501
00:35:02,169 --> 00:35:05,589
people pretty much agree with that and that's where i was at that point where you're kind of

502
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:11,069
realizing okay um these are this is the body of the plant like the leaves for example they don't

503
00:35:11,069 --> 00:35:16,949
want to be eaten in nature so they fill those leaves with poison to not get eaten they're

504
00:35:16,949 --> 00:35:22,489
stationary things so their only way to survive since they can't run around or fight back is to

505
00:35:22,489 --> 00:35:27,469
fill themselves with poison. And so that's why in nature, when you see these crazy plants

506
00:35:27,469 --> 00:35:30,849
everywhere, even the vegans know you're not supposed to go in the forest and just eat

507
00:35:30,849 --> 00:35:37,409
trees and leaves, or you're going to end up very sick or sometimes die. But then they'll go to the

508
00:35:37,409 --> 00:35:42,349
grocery store and they'll see like a little plastic bag full of spinach that's 99% the same

509
00:35:42,349 --> 00:35:47,989
thing and think, oh, this is healthy. And so the question is, why do we think it's healthy in the

510
00:35:47,989 --> 00:35:54,549
first place. And it really just goes back to farming. The agricultural revolution was where,

511
00:35:54,609 --> 00:35:58,889
you know, we had these farmers start to sell this stuff and it started to really shift the paradigm,

512
00:35:58,889 --> 00:36:05,629
like as soon as food became more like a commodity of being sold. But yeah, just, I love keeping sort

513
00:36:05,629 --> 00:36:11,709
of the nature base though. So vegetables, it's the part of the plant that, you know, wants to stay

514
00:36:11,709 --> 00:36:15,389
alive to be able to reproduce. It doesn't want you to eat it. It's going to poison you. So there's

515
00:36:15,389 --> 00:36:19,709
no reason to eat it, period. It's full of plant toxins. Moving on to fruit. That one was harder

516
00:36:19,709 --> 00:36:24,929
for me to understand because- Nature wants you to eat fruit, it seems like, right?

517
00:36:24,929 --> 00:36:28,049
Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this is what the fruit and honey people still say,

518
00:36:28,309 --> 00:36:31,609
is that, oh, it's super bright colored and beautiful. It tastes good. Don't you trust

519
00:36:31,609 --> 00:36:37,989
your taste buds? Here's the problem. Start with the nature perspective like I did for the other.

520
00:36:38,289 --> 00:36:44,769
Plants want to survive and reproduce, okay? Same premise we started with before. They create these

521
00:36:44,769 --> 00:36:51,049
fruit to get other animals to eat them and spread their seeds around. The tree does not exist to

522
00:36:51,049 --> 00:36:55,969
create healthy humans. They don't care about you. They want to reproduce. So they fill these things

523
00:36:55,969 --> 00:37:00,369
with some sugar to make it taste good so they can get things, other things to eat them and spread

524
00:37:00,369 --> 00:37:05,669
the seeds around. They're kind of tricking you into doing it, you know? And so certain animals

525
00:37:05,669 --> 00:37:11,109
are very specially designed to have that stuff, like birds and berries, for example. Their digestive

526
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:15,889
systems are very basic, which it makes it really good for those types of plants.

527
00:37:17,209 --> 00:37:23,589
Now, when you look at, here's another aspect of it to understand is, and let me know if

528
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:25,069
you wanted to stop and ask any questions.

529
00:37:25,149 --> 00:37:26,649
I'm just throwing all kinds of stuff at you here.

530
00:37:26,649 --> 00:37:33,829
I'll throw one more point out is that when you look up any fruit or vegetable on Google

531
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:40,069
and type in like 500 years ago and see what it looks like, every single thing that you

532
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:45,609
get at the grocery store today or even the most organic farmer's market ever a watermelon for

533
00:37:45,609 --> 00:37:52,929
example like you look at now it's this giant foot long juicy beast of a thing 500 years ago let alone

534
00:37:52,929 --> 00:38:01,989
5 000 years ago it was this tiny little mostly green like root and you can repeat that for any

535
00:38:01,989 --> 00:38:09,269
of these things like tomatoes used to be like the super toxic little berry um name any fruit any

536
00:38:09,269 --> 00:38:14,429
vegetable out there, it's been heavily bioengineered by farmers, like I mentioned earlier, who are

537
00:38:14,429 --> 00:38:19,169
trying to sell more of them. So when they have their farm and they make a bunch of these fruits

538
00:38:19,169 --> 00:38:24,909
or vegetables, they will only keep the biggest, juiciest, sugariest one to reproduce the next

539
00:38:24,909 --> 00:38:31,729
season. So over thousands of years, you have a massive changing of these plants. And they are

540
00:38:31,729 --> 00:38:36,109
now completely man-made. And like I said, even if you're getting the most organic kind, we're not

541
00:38:36,109 --> 00:38:41,129
even talking about the glyphosate and herbicides that's a whole nother you know ball game yeah it

542
00:38:41,129 --> 00:38:45,329
makes everything way worse which is 90 of what people are eating or more from the grocery store

543
00:38:45,329 --> 00:38:50,969
probably like 99 honestly um but even considering that if you get the absolute best kind these are

544
00:38:50,969 --> 00:38:56,649
still bioengineered seeds that men have made to be super sugary and sweet so every single fruit

545
00:38:56,649 --> 00:39:02,669
you see now just a sugar bomb and uh so that that's a bit of a rant did i answer your question

546
00:39:02,669 --> 00:39:03,669
You did.

547
00:39:03,849 --> 00:39:08,649
I didn't even get into why meat is good, but that's why plants are, in fact, not healthy.

548
00:39:08,749 --> 00:39:09,389
They never were.

549
00:39:09,789 --> 00:39:11,329
They are just fiber and sugar.

550
00:39:11,509 --> 00:39:12,769
Fiber is literally bad for you.

551
00:39:12,869 --> 00:39:13,709
It's not good for you.

552
00:39:13,789 --> 00:39:14,529
It's just bulk.

553
00:39:14,849 --> 00:39:18,069
It makes you shit more, and it gives you digestive problems.

554
00:39:18,249 --> 00:39:23,389
I don't know if you dug into my blog that much, but I just wrote a post about digestive problems.

555
00:39:23,489 --> 00:39:29,549
If you're having digestive problems, stop eating plants because they are literally pure fiber that can't be digested.

556
00:39:29,549 --> 00:39:40,849
There are people out there on YouTube now in the carnivore community now who there's this one guy named Kent Carnivore who had Crohn's disease for many years, a really bad gut problem.

557
00:39:41,149 --> 00:39:41,449
Yeah.

558
00:39:41,749 --> 00:39:46,049
To the point where he had to get his colon removed and have a colostomy bag put in.

559
00:39:46,629 --> 00:39:48,749
And so he thought, okay, this is interesting.

560
00:39:48,989 --> 00:39:53,569
Well, I mean, first of all, this sucks, but we can now do some interesting experiments here and see what happened.

561
00:39:53,849 --> 00:39:57,149
So he would eat different things and see what came out in the bag.

562
00:39:57,149 --> 00:40:01,269
and he would eat a bunch of meat,

563
00:40:01,429 --> 00:40:04,729
like just a bunch of steak or ground beef or chicken or eggs or whatever,

564
00:40:05,129 --> 00:40:07,949
and nothing would come out in the bag or a tiny bit of liquid,

565
00:40:08,049 --> 00:40:08,769
basically nothing.

566
00:40:08,769 --> 00:40:14,669
And then he would eat like pineapple or broccoli or salad

567
00:40:14,669 --> 00:40:16,569
or any of these plants that people eat.

568
00:40:16,829 --> 00:40:20,489
They would come out untouched in the bag, Tony.

569
00:40:20,849 --> 00:40:21,849
Oh, my God.

570
00:40:21,849 --> 00:40:22,949
Like he literally said,

571
00:40:22,989 --> 00:40:25,669
they would sometimes still have bite marks in them, literally.

572
00:40:25,669 --> 00:40:33,589
So human gut pH is extremely critical for understanding what an animal is supposed to eat.

573
00:40:34,169 --> 00:40:38,289
So sheep and cows have extremely high pH.

574
00:40:38,289 --> 00:40:41,109
It's like six or seven on the one to seven scale.

575
00:40:41,389 --> 00:40:43,029
I think it was seven, pretty sure.

576
00:40:43,409 --> 00:40:47,329
It's very high, very basic, which is basically made for fermenting plants.

577
00:40:48,169 --> 00:40:53,609
A lion, which is like the most stereotypical carnivore you could think of, super low.

578
00:40:53,609 --> 00:40:54,629
It's like two.

579
00:40:54,789 --> 00:40:55,549
It's really acidic.

580
00:40:55,669 --> 00:40:57,789
is made for only eating meat.

581
00:40:58,429 --> 00:40:59,329
You want to guess what a human is?

582
00:40:59,829 --> 00:41:00,289
Whoa.

583
00:41:00,489 --> 00:41:01,269
1.5.

584
00:41:01,569 --> 00:41:02,429
Oh my God.

585
00:41:02,649 --> 00:41:05,029
We are more carnivorous than lions are.

586
00:41:05,389 --> 00:41:07,729
We have the same gut makeup almost as a vulture,

587
00:41:08,049 --> 00:41:10,609
which literally just roamed around eating rotting meat all the time.

588
00:41:11,389 --> 00:41:12,909
That's what we're supposed to eat.

589
00:41:13,029 --> 00:41:16,409
And this is why people like him who do this test

590
00:41:16,409 --> 00:41:18,689
and actually see what's happening in their gut,

591
00:41:19,469 --> 00:41:23,369
when they eat these plants, it's not digesting any of it.

592
00:41:23,369 --> 00:41:25,729
We don't have the ability to digest this stuff.

593
00:41:25,849 --> 00:41:31,909
And this is why so many people have constipation, gut problems, indigestion, bloating.

594
00:41:32,149 --> 00:41:34,469
Oh my gosh, everyone in the world is bloated right now.

595
00:41:34,589 --> 00:41:38,989
Everywhere I go and travel, you can just see everyone just has this big bloated belly.

596
00:41:39,549 --> 00:41:41,529
And it's just become so normalized.

597
00:41:42,189 --> 00:41:44,749
And what I want to tell them is, bro, just stop eating plants.

598
00:41:45,489 --> 00:41:48,829
If you just go carnivore, carnivore will fix that.

599
00:41:48,849 --> 00:41:51,749
That's literally fermentation in your belly what's happening.

600
00:41:52,649 --> 00:41:55,349
You're making me want to do an experiment like you did.

601
00:41:55,609 --> 00:41:59,609
But do you – so you don't eat any plants or fruit.

602
00:41:59,689 --> 00:42:02,269
Are you all carnivore at this point, all meat products?

603
00:42:02,749 --> 00:42:07,769
Because that's like – I'm like, holy cow, that is a drastic change in what I do.

604
00:42:08,489 --> 00:42:12,129
I'm thinking like, oh, maybe I could get more meat and less veg.

605
00:42:12,129 --> 00:42:15,329
But you're saying, no, just go cold turkey, right?

606
00:42:16,209 --> 00:42:20,009
I haven't had any vegetables or fruit now for almost two years.

607
00:42:20,449 --> 00:42:20,849
Holy cow.

608
00:42:20,849 --> 00:42:22,149
Um, but you look great.

609
00:42:22,229 --> 00:42:23,949
Barring a few very rare exceptions.

610
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:25,869
I do love experiments all the time.

611
00:42:25,869 --> 00:42:28,909
So every once in a while, there are some people that are like, oh, you have to be a hundred

612
00:42:28,909 --> 00:42:30,129
percent all the time for me.

613
00:42:30,249 --> 00:42:33,269
Every once in a while, I'll just throw something in just to see what happens.

614
00:42:33,269 --> 00:42:33,669
Yeah.

615
00:42:33,929 --> 00:42:37,129
Um, and it's, it, I keep a journal, keep track of things.

616
00:42:37,129 --> 00:42:42,469
And it's always very interesting because after you've done strict carnivore for one to three

617
00:42:42,469 --> 00:42:47,589
months, and then you eat something that seems so benign that you used to just have all the

618
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:47,849
time.

619
00:42:47,849 --> 00:42:53,809
When I was in Mexico, the hostel I was staying at over there, this was last year sometime, I did just that.

620
00:42:53,929 --> 00:42:55,569
I had three months of perfection.

621
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:58,669
I was having steak, salt, and water, nothing else.

622
00:42:58,709 --> 00:43:00,229
Not even butter or eggs.

623
00:43:00,369 --> 00:43:05,949
That's the lion diet, which is the most peak version where you don't even have any dairy or eggs.

624
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:09,289
Literally just ruminant red meat, salt, and water.

625
00:43:09,429 --> 00:43:09,749
That's it.

626
00:43:10,229 --> 00:43:12,749
I did that for three months, and it was amazing, by the way.

627
00:43:12,749 --> 00:43:17,969
We can talk about how your taste buds change and you no longer crave those things after a while.

628
00:43:17,989 --> 00:43:19,549
And you actually do love it every day.

629
00:43:19,629 --> 00:43:22,829
I know it sounds crazy to people like, how do you not get bored of this?

630
00:43:23,489 --> 00:43:31,449
Your craving shift to the point where as I'm sitting here right now at 6.50 p.m., I haven't eaten since yesterday.

631
00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:34,909
I only eat one big meal of just a bowl of ground beef per day right now.

632
00:43:34,969 --> 00:43:35,829
I've been doing that for weeks.

633
00:43:36,169 --> 00:43:38,089
I can't wait to go eat my ground beef.

634
00:43:38,229 --> 00:43:39,429
I'm craving it right now.

635
00:43:39,469 --> 00:43:40,789
After we're done, I'm probably going to go eat it.

636
00:43:40,789 --> 00:43:42,269
I don't crave anything else anymore.

637
00:43:42,269 --> 00:43:51,749
like I used to. What's interesting, Ben, is I am a, I've been sober from alcohol, uh, for 12 years.

638
00:43:51,749 --> 00:43:58,129
And so I haven't drank in 12 years, but what replaced it, and this runs in my family is a

639
00:43:58,129 --> 00:44:06,249
massive sweet tooth. So I, I have cravings of sugar, uh, desserts, certainly fruits and honey

640
00:44:06,249 --> 00:44:15,349
and all that. I gobble that stuff up and it's kind of driven me in a certain way. So just talking to

641
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:21,909
you, I'm like, how amazing would that be to really take that on and say, that's just an extension of

642
00:44:21,909 --> 00:44:26,349
your addiction. You were getting lots of sugar with alcohol. That was terrible for you, but the

643
00:44:26,349 --> 00:44:30,129
sugar is not real good for you either. And you're finding sneaky ways to get it and pretending that

644
00:44:30,129 --> 00:44:35,109
they're healthy. It's blueberries. It's honey. It's blah, blah, blah. But I always carry this sneaky

645
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:40,729
suspicion that I'm dancing around maybe the core addiction and there's maybe a better way to eat

646
00:44:40,729 --> 00:44:45,769
and I've just not put my finger quite on it. Does that make sense? You just absolutely nailed it.

647
00:44:45,869 --> 00:44:50,389
That's exactly what's happening. And that's extremely common too, is that when people give

648
00:44:50,389 --> 00:44:56,389
up one addiction, they kind of fall back onto a new one and carbs and sugar are so commonly that

649
00:44:56,389 --> 00:45:02,489
thing. And here's one of the mind blowing things that I learned while going down that rabbit hole

650
00:45:02,489 --> 00:45:06,009
as well is the fructose molecule.

651
00:45:07,049 --> 00:45:10,309
So when you drink alcohol, it's just straight sugar in your body.

652
00:45:10,649 --> 00:45:11,289
It's straight sugar.

653
00:45:11,909 --> 00:45:15,349
And fruit just breaks down to sugar as well.

654
00:45:15,669 --> 00:45:18,049
Like when you look at the actual molecules they break down to,

655
00:45:18,109 --> 00:45:19,249
it's all the same fructose.

656
00:45:19,969 --> 00:45:23,689
And so you really start thinking about these things in molecules

657
00:45:23,689 --> 00:45:25,509
because all your body sees as molecules.

658
00:45:25,509 --> 00:45:31,189
With our eyeballs, we see a watermelon and a celery stick

659
00:45:31,189 --> 00:45:34,729
and a shot of vodka, and we see very different things.

660
00:45:35,249 --> 00:45:36,689
But every single carbohydrate,

661
00:45:37,509 --> 00:45:39,189
and all those things are plant-based, by the way.

662
00:45:39,289 --> 00:45:40,169
They all come from plants.

663
00:45:40,289 --> 00:45:43,289
Every single plant-based carbohydrate, which is all of them,

664
00:45:43,689 --> 00:45:44,969
they all turn into sugar in your body.

665
00:45:45,089 --> 00:45:46,729
It's a mixture of glucose and fructose.

666
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:48,589
So that's why your body,

667
00:45:48,749 --> 00:45:51,429
since you stopped drinking the fructose from alcohol,

668
00:45:51,429 --> 00:45:52,849
it still wants that fructose.

669
00:45:53,029 --> 00:45:54,309
So you're just getting it from fruit now.

670
00:45:54,609 --> 00:45:56,409
And it's still going straight to your liver.

671
00:45:56,909 --> 00:45:58,189
This is the thing that people don't get,

672
00:45:58,189 --> 00:46:01,289
is that this is why so many vegans and frugivores

673
00:46:01,289 --> 00:46:02,329
eating tons of fruit.

674
00:46:02,329 --> 00:46:02,909
They not only eat fruit,

675
00:46:02,945 --> 00:46:07,185
only do their teeth rot out of their skull, but they get really bad liver problems because all

676
00:46:07,185 --> 00:46:11,845
this fruit is just going straight to detoxing through the liver. So you're still beating up

677
00:46:11,845 --> 00:46:17,625
your liver by eating fruit. People don't know this. And yeah, I highly recommend trying this

678
00:46:17,625 --> 00:46:21,965
now that, you know, you're talking about this because I think this will be a very enlightening

679
00:46:21,965 --> 00:46:26,025
thing for you. And just like any addiction is tough to get over it. You know, those,

680
00:46:26,025 --> 00:46:31,445
those first two weeks. So I'm not going to lie. There's some fear that's coming up,

681
00:46:31,445 --> 00:46:33,985
even having this conversation with you.

682
00:46:34,285 --> 00:46:34,425
Yeah.

683
00:46:35,225 --> 00:46:39,185
So I'm looking at you on the other side of the river going,

684
00:46:39,305 --> 00:46:41,605
how do I get over there without crossing this river?

685
00:46:42,885 --> 00:46:44,205
It's challenging, but I mean,

686
00:46:44,205 --> 00:46:46,345
this is a base camp for men mentality.

687
00:46:46,465 --> 00:46:46,785
Am I right?

688
00:46:47,065 --> 00:46:48,205
We challenge ourselves.

689
00:46:48,365 --> 00:46:48,925
We do these things.

690
00:46:49,445 --> 00:46:49,465
Exactly.

691
00:46:49,825 --> 00:46:50,825
It's on recording now.

692
00:46:50,925 --> 00:46:52,465
You can't get, you can't walk back it now.

693
00:46:52,565 --> 00:46:53,045
I know.

694
00:46:53,165 --> 00:46:55,205
Well, and the proof is how you look.

695
00:46:55,285 --> 00:46:58,165
I mean, you look like you're an epitome of hell, dude.

696
00:46:58,205 --> 00:46:59,205
You look fantastic.

697
00:46:59,205 --> 00:47:04,945
especially when I see the pictures of before your your transformation so I want some of that and I'm

698
00:47:04,945 --> 00:47:09,765
I could be so much better though like I my weakness now is like I I don't exercise nearly

699
00:47:09,765 --> 00:47:15,125
enough like oh yeah I'm so busy like I'm just constantly grinding out podcasts and blog posts

700
00:47:15,125 --> 00:47:21,985
and working and I know that's a total excuse um but you know the the times where I really settle in

701
00:47:21,985 --> 00:47:27,725
and get to go to the gym for a while I feel great and you know the the here's a crazy fact something

702
00:47:27,725 --> 00:47:31,485
I noticed that you might notice this too. How old are you? If you don't mind me asking, I'm 58.

703
00:47:32,165 --> 00:47:38,325
58. I've heard so many people that were like 50, 60, 70s do this and have a similar experience to

704
00:47:38,325 --> 00:47:43,785
what I'm about to tell you. Um, when I was just a few months into this thing and in the carnivore

705
00:47:43,785 --> 00:47:54,911
dad I remember the exact day I was sitting and working on my laptop Like I usually do in this hostel And I could just feel my arms were like more muscular

706
00:47:55,611 --> 00:47:57,291
And I hadn't been exercising.

707
00:47:57,471 --> 00:47:58,571
I hadn't been lifting weights.

708
00:47:58,991 --> 00:48:04,011
Literally just when you eat a ton of protein, it just starts to fill out your body.

709
00:48:04,151 --> 00:48:10,811
And there are people out there seeing abs and having muscles for the first time just by going on a carnivore diet and not even exercising.

710
00:48:10,811 --> 00:48:16,351
which is a crazy crazy thing for people because you think about how could that be i thought you

711
00:48:16,351 --> 00:48:21,171
needed to lift everything as a build muscle but think about uh that example i used earlier lions

712
00:48:21,171 --> 00:48:27,571
at the zoo they're not exercising no other muscular animals like lifting weights in the gym but they

713
00:48:27,571 --> 00:48:31,551
just have muscle yeah and it's because they eat their correct diet they're eating shit loads of

714
00:48:31,551 --> 00:48:36,791
meat and that protein is just going into your muscles and filling it out and so for me i was

715
00:48:36,791 --> 00:48:40,831
noticing that this is crazy. I look better. My muscles are bigger without even exercising.

716
00:48:41,011 --> 00:48:46,031
And once you actually start exercising, you keep it much more and it becomes much quicker to

717
00:48:46,031 --> 00:48:49,491
actually build that muscle for all the men out there. That should be all of them who care about

718
00:48:49,491 --> 00:48:55,891
muscle. This is like a multiplier on your gains. And Dr. Anthony Chafee, the guy I mentioned earlier

719
00:48:55,891 --> 00:49:02,051
is great for that. He's really into athletics. He used to play pro level rugby in Seattle and

720
00:49:02,051 --> 00:49:05,751
he's from Seattle too, by the way, another Seattle guy. We've got a bunch of legends in the house,

721
00:49:05,751 --> 00:49:16,471
But he has a bunch of people on his podcast who are bodybuilders, pro athletes, and they're just saying this isn't fair that I'm on this diet because I'm literally just crushing everybody all the time.

722
00:49:16,611 --> 00:49:25,231
They're constantly having to, you know, suck down these like sugar gel packs and they're running or exercising and, you know, carb loading before their meals and crashing out.

723
00:49:25,591 --> 00:49:27,531
When you're on a carb war diet, you're just in superhuman mode.

724
00:49:28,011 --> 00:49:28,711
That's awesome, dude.

725
00:49:28,811 --> 00:49:29,811
Zero carbs, zero sugar.

726
00:49:29,891 --> 00:49:40,657
You just on a whole different level And I didn understand that until I did it myself and I excited for you to do it and to hear back Yeah absolutely I in I going to go listen to your podcast

727
00:49:40,757 --> 00:49:43,217
I'm going to give you a chance to just tell people where they can find you.

728
00:49:43,537 --> 00:49:44,917
But I just wanted to thank you.

729
00:49:45,177 --> 00:49:46,537
We're running out of time a bit.

730
00:49:46,717 --> 00:49:47,917
We didn't quite touch on everything.

731
00:49:47,997 --> 00:49:50,877
I wanted to talk about rabbit holes when they get dark.

732
00:49:51,357 --> 00:49:52,697
But I want to save that for part two.

733
00:49:52,697 --> 00:49:54,317
You'll come back again and talk to us, right?

734
00:49:54,897 --> 00:49:55,297
Absolutely.

735
00:49:56,437 --> 00:49:57,937
There's no way we're not doing more.

736
00:49:58,077 --> 00:49:59,057
We barely scratched the surface.

737
00:49:59,057 --> 00:50:13,357
Yeah, yeah. And there's also you gave me a documentary. I want to I want to read. I want to go check out that documentary. That's going to open up a whole bunch of other things for us. But where can people find you and your work and your podcast? Yeah. How can people connect and what you got going on right now?

738
00:50:13,357 --> 00:50:41,117
Yeah, people can go to my website, benworman.com. My last name is W-E-H-R-M-A-N. I have the Ben Wormin podcast. I have my blog there where I write about all this stuff. And yeah, just in Nostra, like I know you talk about Nostra. We didn't really get to go into that a lot yet. I'm sure we'll do that in the future, but super bullish on Nostra. It's freeing speech for everyone. There's no one in charge of it. You can zap each other Bitcoin. It's a huge, powerful tool.

739
00:50:41,117 --> 00:50:45,477
I put it basically on the same level as Bitcoin in importance, which I never thought I'd say.

740
00:50:46,657 --> 00:50:47,837
Huge, powerful tool.

741
00:50:48,217 --> 00:50:49,297
I'm on there as well.

742
00:50:49,457 --> 00:50:50,717
Just same name, Ben Worman.

743
00:50:51,457 --> 00:50:57,097
And still struggling on Twitter, but mostly using it as a place to send people over to Nostra.

744
00:50:57,457 --> 00:50:58,397
Yeah, that's good.

745
00:50:58,497 --> 00:50:59,677
That's a good use for it.

746
00:51:00,257 --> 00:51:00,497
Yeah.

747
00:51:00,737 --> 00:51:00,997
Yeah.

748
00:51:01,057 --> 00:51:02,037
And that's pretty much it.

749
00:51:02,057 --> 00:51:04,657
Just website, blog, podcast, socials.

750
00:51:04,837 --> 00:51:06,057
I'll be all over the place.

751
00:51:06,237 --> 00:51:08,697
Did you see Jack Dorsey got suspended?

752
00:51:08,697 --> 00:51:08,937
Yes.

753
00:51:09,217 --> 00:51:10,097
I thought that.

754
00:51:10,097 --> 00:51:13,397
I reached out to him on Noster.

755
00:51:13,477 --> 00:51:26,742
I said hey Jack I said sorry to hear that Join the club or something like that I thought it was hilarious man For listeners who may not know the literal creator of Twitter just he being suspended on Twitter now

756
00:51:26,742 --> 00:51:28,202
for posting the bad things.

757
00:51:28,422 --> 00:51:30,302
And so he posted this on Nostra,

758
00:51:30,402 --> 00:51:31,862
a screenshot of his suspension.

759
00:51:32,122 --> 00:51:33,662
And it just, I mean, everyone just loved it.

760
00:51:33,682 --> 00:51:35,622
Like this is such a great example

761
00:51:35,622 --> 00:51:37,002
of like why Nostra exists.

762
00:51:37,082 --> 00:51:38,162
Even he knows this, you know,

763
00:51:38,162 --> 00:51:40,482
the creator of the centralized platform

764
00:51:40,482 --> 00:51:42,242
is like completely all in Nostra

765
00:51:42,242 --> 00:51:43,502
and you can't be more bullsh on it.

766
00:51:43,902 --> 00:51:44,582
Yeah, beautiful.

767
00:51:44,582 --> 00:51:47,082
Well, thanks, Ben, for coming on and sharing your insight and your wisdom.

768
00:51:47,302 --> 00:51:48,082
Love chatting with you.

769
00:51:48,142 --> 00:51:53,242
Feel like we could sit around the campfire and talk all night and really look forward to further chats with you, buddy.

770
00:51:54,042 --> 00:51:54,942
Looking forward to it.

771
00:51:54,942 --> 00:51:56,242
We absolutely will do more in the future.

772
00:51:56,402 --> 00:51:56,822
Keep in touch.

773
00:51:57,122 --> 00:51:57,322
Okay.

774
00:52:00,942 --> 00:52:03,482
Well, I hope you enjoyed that conversation as much as I did.

775
00:52:03,622 --> 00:52:08,682
I absolutely love it when I'm learning new things and new perspectives from a guest in real time.

776
00:52:08,842 --> 00:52:11,642
And I will be experimenting with this carnivore diet, Ben.

777
00:52:11,702 --> 00:52:13,022
It's super confronting for me.

778
00:52:13,022 --> 00:52:15,682
I just need to figure out when and what that looks like.

779
00:52:15,782 --> 00:52:19,622
I might need to get some buy-in from my wife to really make this a doable experiment,

780
00:52:19,862 --> 00:52:21,822
and I will keep you posted on all of it.

781
00:52:21,982 --> 00:52:24,502
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782
00:52:26,242 --> 00:52:29,502
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794
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795
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796
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797
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