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We'll dive into discussion.

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So to get us to the third chapter, chapter one gave us the general idea of even what is a network state.

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So to quote Balaji, the network state in one sentence, a network state is a highly aligned online community with the capacity for collective action that crowd funds territory around the world and eventually gains diplomatic recognition.

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So this whole book is about that.

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That's the final iteration of the network state.

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Basically, the first chapter says if you want to form a new state, the most practical approach at this moment in time, cloud first, land second.

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Build in the Internet, build online, create a community, and then materialize that community in the real world and finally gain sovereign status.

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Chapter two notes the importance of history in doing this.

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So if you're creating a network state, you need to have a group of highly aligned individuals.

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So you're going to align people highly around a common purpose, one commandment that is then substantiated by some form of history, by historical narrative that explains why your society has the moral purpose that it does.

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So, I mean, history is necessary because a startup society really begins as a critique of some aspect of an existing society.

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And history is what you use to describe an existing society and then identify the flaws and formulate the critique that is your new startup society.

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society. It's also, history is also where you look as a sort of toolbox to find ways that you

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can build a better society. See what's been tried before, try different things. Chapter three then

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brings us to another framework for considering, a framework rather, for considering our present

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moment and where network states are going to fit in given the ideological winds that are blowing.

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Blowing in three directions, we'll see. This chapter is called the tripolar moment. But let's start a step back from that. What is the unipolar moment?

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Balaji cites a journalist, Charles Krauthammer, writing shortly after the fall of the Soviet Union, stating that the world is now unipolar. There's one dominant power, the United States.

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However, nowadays, it's becoming more and more obvious.

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We are no longer in a unipolar world.

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We're also not in a bipolar world.

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It's not U.S. versus China, not East versus West.

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No, biology thinks that we are in a tripolar world.

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There are three poles.

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Each of these poles are networks that are upstream of states.

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These three different poles in the tripolar framework are, to give the acronyms,

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NYT, CCP, BTC.

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NYT, New York Times, that's upstream of the U.S. establishment.

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CCP, that's the Chinese Communist Party upstream of China.

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And BTC, Bitcoin, upstream of the rest of crypto and of the internet generally.

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Each of these three poles in this tripolar framework has its own source of truth and its own source of power.

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So the New York Times, the source of truth is obviously the New York Times. The source of truth is paper, what the paper says, or maybe you might say even mainstream media writ large, which promotes, Bology says, a woke ideology.

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New York Times, its source of truth is the paper, the mainstream media. Its source of power is as moral power. Truth is in service of morality. For the New York Times, you can look at the headlines and see that there are moral premises and not factual reporting supporting the narrative that they've used to do their journalism.

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What does it mean to have moral power, to be a moral power like the New York Times? That means that you depend for your power on the moral lecture, on getting people to think things are good or evil, on censoring certain people, on canceling other people, on using perhaps a malleable idea of human rights to demonize other foreign powers in service of American empire.

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the commandment for the moral power that is the New York Times as the network upstream of U.S.

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establishment its commandment is you must sympathize what does that mean well to quote

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biology after all aren't you white or male or straight or cis or abled or wealthy or member of

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one of an ever multiplying number of privileged categories and therefore an oppressor on some

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dimension, because you're powerful, you must sympathize and bow your head to those you have

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ostensibly oppressed. So that's the first power, the New York Times upstream of the U.S. establishment,

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a moral power whose source of truth is the mainstream media. The second pole in this

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tripolar framework is CCP, Chinese Communist Party. It also has its own source of truth

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and also is an expression of a certain type of power.

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Its source of truth is the party.

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What the party says is true.

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The party is not the state, Bology emphasizes.

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There are 95 million CCP members, Chinese Communist Party members,

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and it's a rather actually arduous process to become a member,

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and you have to even kind of dedicate yourself to certain future tasks

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task of propagating the party message. Whenever the party emits a certain type of propaganda

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message, party members have to copy it down a certain number of times. They have to write essays

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in response to that. Why would anybody join the Chinese Communist Party? This is an LOL point for

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me, but Balaji says, quote, what people would choose to constantly post new essays regurgitating

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the latest in regime propaganda and indoctrinating their co-workers and family members. But it all

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fits if you think of them as China's New York Times subscribers. So the Chinese, the CCP is the

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party, is the source of truth. Well, the source of truth, the party is the source of truth for the

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CCP network as a pull of power in the tripolar framework. It also expresses a certain type of

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power. If the New York Times expressed a moral power, CCP expresses a martial power.

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Balaji notes under Xi Jinping, the CCP has turned towards militarist nationalism. It has real power

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to deploy in the real physical world, a huge manufacturing capacity, and it's making huge

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investments in things like drones and AI, which are obviously precursors, if not weapons themselves.

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the one commandment of the ccp the one commandment of this poll in the tripolar framework is you must

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submit you must submit to the party you must be loyal and you must do what the party says you must

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submit the third poll in this tripolar framework of nyc ccp is btc bitcoin its source of truth

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is the protocol and its expression of power is as a monetary power as money so a source of truth

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what is written to the protocol on the blockchain and protected by proof of work

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is true, or at least is verifiable in a certain sense. It's also, as in its source of truth,

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is inherently decentralized and accessible to anybody and permissionless. Its expression of

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power is as money. And so that's obviously Bitcoin is a type of money. Less obvious,

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decentralized media, Bitcoin and kind of the internet that is downstream of Bitcoin. So once

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you have something like Bitcoin, a stable money, you can have prosperity, you can have uncensorable

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financing for whatever enterprise you want to do. And that gives people options, including to

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become their own media establishment, decentralized media on Twitter, on podcasts,

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things like that. If you can't censor somebody's way of receiving financing, they can do much more

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daring things. And if people have personal prosperity due to a stable money, they don't

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have to become a shill for the establishment. The one commandment of this pole and the

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tripolar framework, the one commandment of Bitcoin is you must be sovereign. So broadly,

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each of these polls is kind of framed up till now as distinct. NYT, CCP, BTC, NYT as

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a moral power, CCP as martial power, Bitcoin as monetary power. But these are actually,

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The truth is that Balaji says it's good to have moderation even within these poles and that they are bad at the extremes. You really do need a moral power in society for some sort of unity between the people. You do need some sort of martial power to protect from chaos and disorder. And of course, you need money power to allow for self-sovereignty and for people to guide their futures.

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So this leads to biology's concluding concept for this chapter, the re-centralized center,

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where within a tripolar framework, which you can see as a triangle, you can move around

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within that triangle closer to two of the three poles further away from one pole.

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People need to find for themselves where they situate in relation to these three different

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poles, which are types of networks upstream of different things in society.

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Specifically, I apologize also, although he says you do have to situate yourself in relation to these three polls and each has something to commend of them.

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He does think the future is located closer to the Bitcoin poll in that people that feel some poll guiding their lives towards sovereignty are going to find some appeal in the Bitcoin network.

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And so even the people within the CCP or the NYT polls who feel some urge towards self-responsibility and self-reliance sovereignty are going to feel some pull towards Bitcoin.

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To quote Balaji, that is, one of our premises is that the Indians, Israelis, American dissidents, Chinese liberals, tech founders, investors, and people from other countries that want to maintain their own sovereignty will need to avail themselves of BTC slash Web3 for decentralized communication, transaction, and computation.

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so that gives us an idea of the three polar of the tripolar framework it also of course illustrates

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or we hope hopefully helps us show see how the network state as a phenomena is going to arise

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from some coordination people choosing where they want to fall between these three poles

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while being pulled towards bitcoin and decentralization as a necessary precondition

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towards asserting their own sovereignty within a network state. So that's the summary. Lucas and I

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both read this, and Lucas did a really good job of going three-dimensional here. The network state

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is a book app, as Balaji calls it, and it's full of hyperlinks that become rabbit holes. The

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hyperlinks help substantiate points that Balaji is making, obviously. They serve the point of

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endnotes. You can go directly to the source and see that what he is saying is true, or give some

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colorful anecdote that helps helps the person understand what he is saying so we lucas definitely

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went through this reading and came up with and found some good good metaphors and anecdotes from

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the notes uh what do you think lucas or anything that you think helps shed some light here what you

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Yeah. So first, great, great job on the summary here. So the tripolar moment, we, we have three competing ideologies. And those ideologies are not distinct from each other. They have overlap.

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The BTC, the crypto capital people, you know, they have, if you look at it from Jason Lowry's perspective, they have military power, even though they are the money power.

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They have media power because they have decentralized media.

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And so therefore we have, you know, the biggest media in the world is Joe Rogan's podcast.

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That's the biggest media in the world. Right.

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And that's very much, I would say, at least leaning in that direction.

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It's they're not all there. But but then also the New York Times, they have that as well.

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You know, they have their podcast. Clearly, they don't. Clearly, they don't resonate as much with the populace because the.

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Listening numbers, the participation numbers are not there.

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And also, I just know on that, so we listened to the Curtis Yarvin interview for the New York Times podcast. And it's even just interesting to see how the New York Times as an ideology manifests in the way that the podcaster asked their questions, the sort of sneering superiority and then the assumption that the person they are talking to because they're on the right is somehow evil.

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and that what, you know, they have to almost

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prophylactically distance themselves

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from the person who's saying,

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who's going to respond to the question

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to note that I'm asking this person questions,

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but I'm still one of the good guys, you know,

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because they have this whole idea of platforming

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and de-platforming.

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even they're quote unquote decentralized.

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they still are navigating it from their voice,

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their woke NYT, US establishment voice or whatever.

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the submission, sympathy, sovereignty portion of this,

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which is the second, I believe it's the second part of this chapter,

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the CCP is you must submit.

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You must submit, you silently imply powerlessness,

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and that's the secret handshake,

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which becomes the public handcuffs.

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It imprisons minds, and it lacks creativity.

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The New York Times is the sympathize.

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which is that you must apologize.

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You must publicly, so it's not silent now,

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you must loudly and publicly announce your privilege.

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You talked about this before.

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You have to profess your sins.

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I must let you know that I have sinned in this manner.

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I have sinned because I am white.

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I'm over six feet tall, right?

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the club.

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Getting into the club though.

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And that's like a price you pay for getting to get into any moral club.

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Like if you're an AA, you have to profess your sins, right?

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You profess that you have a problem.

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If you're in the church, you have to confess your sins literally. So it's kind of like the nature of a moral power is you have to, yeah, note the black spots of your soul so they can proceed to be cleaned by the new baptism you're undergoing.

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I think it's different from AA in that when you profess your sins in AA,

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then you, like one of the things that you do is you talk about how you're powerless over your addiction.

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Basically, you're admitting that you're no better and no worse than anybody else.

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the the nyt the sympathize the woke is it's saying that i am better than other people yeah but i am

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going to intentionally handicap myself so that you will recognize me as one of the good ones

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right like that's always the kind of like derogatory term that people most often i would

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say associate with um with blacks black americans oh one of the good ones right or um or even um

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you know now now you'll see a lot um i i experience i would say i experience um people in the lgbtq

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community that don't align with the um very strong rainbow flag waving etc so you know they

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distance themselves from that so that they can see that they're one of the good ones because you

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you you still implicitly recognize that there is something wrong with that um there is something

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wrong with ordering people in a hierarchy based on things that they do not control

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supposedly that they do not control right because what we're saying is that this is

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no different than your race than your height than your um the money that you were born into

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none of these things are choices right and you know so leave it at that um but yeah so nyt you

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have to sympathize that that's you're announcing professing your sins that's the shibboleth that

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is the cost of joining the victimhood it imprisons people's hearts um because it it

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forces them to lack empathy for others while professing that they have sympathy.

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And then BTC is the sovereignty.

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You renounce the victimhood, which is the shibboleth that affords you entry into the

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the based place.

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I tried to be fair here and say that, you know, the CCP that imprisons minds, the New

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BTC doesn't necessarily imprison, it sort of sends the souls wandering, where now you're untethered from that groupthink, but you do have to now find your own way.

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and it does, I would say, it lacks sympathy.

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So, you know, I will recognize whatever that you have,

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whatever shibboleth that you want to say,

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however, I will not grant you special affordance for that.

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to the extent that it's one commandment is sovereignty.

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extreme sovereignty means digging your own well, all that stuff.

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So no one wants to be a well digger.

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That's mad max.

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I want to put up on the screen just so people see this because I,

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I think he did such a fast,

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which is a chart.

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Can you zoom in there just a tad bit?

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That is a great chart.

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I can.

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it's going to be tough to get us.

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You don't cut off the margins,

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but it's right there.

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So over here we have the communist capital, woke capital, and crypto capital.

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And each of these, one of the things that I wanted to explain was the Hirschman value.

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So the Hirschman value refers to a book that was written by Albert Hirschman I believe is his name Exit Voice and Loyalty And I want to actually I would really like to play this clip from I found a dude who has like

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I think he literally has one subscriber on YouTube, but he does a fantastic job of explaining.

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Hi everybody.

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He does a fantastic job of explaining the game.

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So the game of exit voice and loyalty.

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And I'm going to go and start it right here at 34 seconds

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and cut it off at a minute 52.

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Can you see that?

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It was super loud the first time you started.

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Just make sure.

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I don't know how it's going to sound coming out.

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if it comes out super loud.

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Let's see how this goes.

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It did play the first time.

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What's that?

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Yeah, it's not playing right now, but it played...

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Oh, it's not playing?

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No, it began to play.

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Oh, there we go.

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Yeah, now I see it.

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Okay, share this tab instead.

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Okay, here we go.

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So, in this Exit Wars loyalty game,

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we have two players.

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We have the citizen marked by C,

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and we have the stick marked by S.

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You see that the citizen has the potential to be two chimes.

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There's two no's there.

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The state only moves once.

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There's only one no here.

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We know that we need to account for two possible strategies for the state.

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And we need to only account for one possible strategy for the state.

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So at the beginning of the game, a citizen has three options available today.

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You can either choose to use their voice.

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or two things.

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If the citizen chooses to use their voice,

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the state gets to use.

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The state has two options available.

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the citizen gives their voice,

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or they can choose to ignore.

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the citizen gets to move.

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the citizen gets to choose between loyalty and exit.

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Loyalty and exit.

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So I'll cut it off there.

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But so what he's explaining here is that this is a game and it goes in moves.

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The citizen has the first move when you're when you're oppressed by the state.

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You can do one of three things.

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If you voice your displeasure, then it's the state's turn to move.

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So once you say, hey, we don't like this, we want something different, then the state has the option.

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They can either respond to that and they can move in that direction, or they can ignore that and they can continue on the path of oppressing.

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I would say that right now, what we have seen in the United States is we've seen that voice become very loud.

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And now we're sitting at this node where the state is, it appears that they're starting to respond.

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and as they are responding, I'm referring to Doge and what they are uncovering.

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As they're responding, what they're uncovering is that the state has, up until this point, been ignoring the voice.

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It has been intentionally doing things that were not voiced as part of the plan, I guess.

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and should that continue to be the case should the state continue to ignore then at that point

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the citizens have two choices again so they can submit this is the ccp route loyalty or they can

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exit now what he what he notes here is that exit and these are arbitrary values but they do serve

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a purpose. If you're keeping score, then the greatest gain is gained by exiting. Because

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then that, if you don't exit and you voice, then that leaves you constantly at the mercy

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of the state as to whether they will respond or ignore. And then of course, if you just

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simply stay loyal and you allow the state to do what it will, then you can continuously

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become more and more oppressed. I just thought that was an interesting thing to share because,

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um, uh, I mean, a fascinating to find a guy with one YouTube subscriber that is, uh, um,

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doing something well. I like this. I like to highlight that by the way, I'm going to,

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I'm going to reshare this, um, because, um, I just saw something that's really important that

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I have to show this right here. It looks like a butt. Um, and I thought that we should talk about

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that um but the parentheses here anyways um i think it's i think it's fantastic um that was the

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one thing on the exit voice and loyalty um or sorry on the

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on the on the chart here that i didn't really understand yeah and it's it's interesting that

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But within, yeah, the woke capital emphasizes voice, but the kind of the purpose of woke capital is to ensure that we all speak with one voice.

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It's like woke capital is upstream of the voice.

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The New York Times, it kind of gives the marching orders to the mainstream media that then propagates them throughout the rest of the citizens.

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So you feel like you're exercising your voice, you feel like you're voting, but you've actually just been programmed with a historical narrative that has been pre-decided and diffused by the centralized media.

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So, I mean, that's kind of one of the interesting aspects of it. It's kind of deceptive to say that because like voice is often think of like democratic voice, make your differences known, whereas actually it's about monolithically uniting us under one voice that the state then continues to lurch along as it is and was and ever will be.

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Yeah, to that point yesterday, I was listening to Mike Bin's talk on Joe Rogan, and he was talking about one of the organizations that was funded by USAID that was a truth teller organization.

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And so they went to their website and they literally read off of their website.

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And it said like, basically, like since since 2020, since COVID, we have identified over 19,000 different rumors about the like origin of the COVID virus and things about it.

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And, you know, we've we've suppressed those 19,000, you know, so that, you know, like this is this is what they're proud of.

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Right. Yeah. Is that we have, you know, don't worry.

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You don't need to think because we've removed the options that would we've removed any options for you to think.

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Yeah. Here's here's your opinion.

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and we'll take care of all the, you know, all the sausage making of how you form an opinion using fact and using experience and stuff.

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So, yeah.

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The idea is you should not be making a hypothesis yourself and attempting to see if the data is to support it.

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We will tell you what the hypothesis is and retroactively have already discovered all the evidence you will ever need to support that.

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Yeah. One one thing that I thought was really fascinating here, I'm going to keep sharing, was one of the linked one of the linked articles under the moral power, martial power, money power section was this this internal document from.

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compiled for the Warren Commission

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United States Intelligence Services

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in the service of

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talking about

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did the United States

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or someone who killed

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Kennedy right so this was

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like a supplementary document that

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they added and this is basically

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laying the groundwork for the idea that perhaps Kennedy could possibly have been assassinated by

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a foreign actor. And I thought this was fascinating. One thing, first off, they misspelled

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kidnapping, so it's kidnapping, and that's awesome. So the Soviet State Security Service,

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the KGB, resorts to abduction and murder to combat what are considered to be actual or

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potential threats to the Soviet regime. Pretty standard practice for a somewhat oppressive

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government. These techniques frequently designated as executive action, they're known within the KGB

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as liquid affairs. I found that fascinating because these techniques in the United States,

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executive action is referred to as black ops. I think of an executive car. An executive car

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is always a black town car.

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And action is an operation.

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Those are synonyms as well.

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What we refer to it in the United States

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is it's called wet work.

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Liquid and wet, affairs and work.

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What's wet work specifically?

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So wet work would refer to assassinations.

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By U.S. special ops and stuff like that.

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Yeah, by U.S. Special Ops. So the terms, although they use slightly different words, they even have like the same type of derivation that you can walk them back to, that they come kind of full circle there. I thought that was really fascinating.

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Yeah, and I just watched Sicario, the second one, not as great as the first one, but it's a representation of this when the executive wants to get something done, but doesn't want their fingerprints on it. And so it's conducted by special ops and groups in cahoots with other special actors to operate outside the state, give plausible deniability, things like that.

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One of the things that Mike Binns is fond of saying, and he repeated this a number of times during that Rogan interview, was that there's a saying within the community that if it's too dirty for CIA, then you turn to USAID.

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Yeah, I saw that clip.

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Yeah, you said it four times, actually.

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And I think we're seeing more and more evidence of that.

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Yeah, so that took us down an interesting road.

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I had this question.

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But also it's a good illustration of how the moral power is connected to the martial power within the U.S. establishment, USAID being a way to launder U.S. ideas abroad and kind of foment dissension and things like that through ideological constructs, you know, purporting to spread liberty, but really trying to, from within the inside of a country, work to cause instability.

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often, I'm not all USAID thinks, but it is like morality and the martial aspect of a

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state often move hand in hand, right?

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Another thing.

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So this is the little triangle chart that Balji has in the book.

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And it shows the, you know, at the top, the CCP is the authoritarian.

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The bottom is more libertarian.

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To the left and to the right, you've got the economic left.

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economic right. And then you've got the polls here. And he demonstrates how they, like what

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sectors they fall into. And this is a question for you, but we, I don't know that there's a great

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answer, but we see that the New York Times and the Woke Capitol is listed down here. And it's shown

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to be somewhat more libertarian leading than authoritarian.

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And I question if there's much veracity to that.

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The only thing I can think of is that the kind of the libertarian side of woke capital is,

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you know, when I think about libertarian, what I think is,

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I want to do what I want, and I want you to do what you want.

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And I would say that the woke capital is, the NYT side is just the first part of that,

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which is I want to do what I want.

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I also want you to do what I want.

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Yeah.

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And so I could see how maybe you could,

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maybe you could whitewash that.

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Pardon.

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No, I also, go ahead.

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Do you have any thoughts on that?

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No, when I saw this,

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I spent some time trying to move myself around

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within this framework to see

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what would it mean to be situated here

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close to the NYT,

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libertarian according to this model and economically left but i i also didn't see i think that that's

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not this isn't a helpful way to put it to have authoritarian at the top and libertarian at the

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bottom because in the last chapter regarding history biology really helpfully split like

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there's a bipolar aspect within the u.s left there's left libertarians and left authoritarians

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and i tend to think of nyt as more left authoritarian with dissidents like glenn

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greenwald who are kind of left libertarians tending toward the btc crypto capital or maybe

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just like yeah i just don't think left and right it's hard to graph those on here and you know

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objectively the ccp maybe is like more authoritarian in its explicit controls over speech and movement

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association the nyt its authoritarianism is more soft authoritarianism based on censorship

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cancel culture and de-platforming things like that but i still i don't know that that's it's

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not helpful for me to understand Balaji's idea, although maybe, I mean, I'm sure if he were here

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to describe it, it would make perfect sense. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, that's, yeah, that's the one,

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the one thing reading through this that I thought I could use some clarification on,

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because I didn't quite understand. A quote, a quote from, from the reading is you don't want

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the New York times run society where everyone has no recourse, but to sympathize with the current

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thing because that results in what matt iglesias has called the great awokening the emotive and

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irrational breakdowns that set america on fire and continue to royal u.s society and i was unfamiliar

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with this with this meme oh yeah support the current thing yeah so i wanted to put that up

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just to give you a lot of people um so this is from from knowyourmeme.com yeah support the current

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thing um you know to mock people who change their profile you know and you think about this these

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are the people that oh they've got a french flag oh they've got a you know an grayly flag they've

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got uh black lives matter me too um occupy um you know that a constant a constant revolution

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of what is the current thing that i need to virtue signal yeah and so this is what the uh

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this is what the meme looks like i support the current thing so if you see that um then obviously

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you can uh you can now know what we're talking but it also like it's very comfortable to say

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the new york times establishment and those that are downstream of its reporting have a support

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the current thing mentality but as of two weeks ago no like there was an infinitesimal percentage

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of people on the right or left that had an opinion about usa id and now the like the dominant paradigm

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is, oh, irredeemable agency, oh, this is all evil and corrupt.

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You know, part of it is there's just reporting and new things come to light.

428
00:38:04,899 --> 00:38:10,119
But I think people need to be careful that, you know, there are narratives that appear

429
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:15,959
from both sides and to go fully on board with anyone at any time does put you in the

430
00:38:15,959 --> 00:38:20,659
I support the current thing, non-player character NBC meme.

431
00:38:20,839 --> 00:38:22,939
And so it's always like, be careful with that.

432
00:38:23,059 --> 00:38:27,619
If everybody's saying now USAID is total filth, maybe the truth.

433
00:38:27,619 --> 00:38:38,639
but really try to find the good faith commentators on both left and right and try to filter out what is a perspective that's valuable to have that makes you a PC, a player character rather than an NPC.

434
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:47,739
Yeah, I always think about things like that in terms of, I think about two cups, one cup filled with dirt and the other cup filled with milk.

435
00:38:48,579 --> 00:38:56,579
If you've got the cup filled with dirt, that's the dirty, awful, it doesn't really matter how much milk you put into it, you're still not going to drink it.

436
00:38:56,579 --> 00:39:03,519
yeah and then um you've got but the flip side is that you do have this you know beautiful

437
00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:12,799
glass of of of milk that's pure and white and un unsoiled and then you put a little bit of dirt

438
00:39:12,799 --> 00:39:18,599
in it and if you know that there's dirt in it you don't want to drink that yeah you know to you it's

439
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:24,959
dirty it doesn't really matter how much and so um you can really put a stain on something i'm not

440
00:39:24,959 --> 00:39:34,519
defending USAID at all. It does appear to me that USAID is very much a front and a cover for

441
00:39:35,179 --> 00:39:46,859
overt and covert foreign and domestic direct action and propaganda and money laundering.

442
00:39:46,859 --> 00:40:07,239
That is what it appears the objective function is, and I believe that there may have been some accidental benefit to a few people that could be considered generous or wise.

443
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:12,239
But yeah, it does appear to be pretty wholly soiled.

444
00:40:13,619 --> 00:40:13,759
Yeah.

445
00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:17,239
So anyways, yeah, moving past that.

446
00:40:17,919 --> 00:40:27,439
So one of the last thing of that quote, or sorry, the last part of that quote from Balaji from the book was that you don't want the society.

447
00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:30,739
Also, you don't want the society where no one sympathizes.

448
00:40:30,939 --> 00:40:31,199
Yeah.

449
00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:42,139
Because that looks like the grand theft auto environment of 1990s Russia, which is a low-trust post-communist society where any cooperative endeavor is regarded as a scam.

450
00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:54,119
And this link, 1990s Russia, it takes you to an article written in The Guardian from 2018 by Mark Gagliotti.

451
00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:56,999
the title is Gangster's Paradise

452
00:40:56,999 --> 00:40:59,259
How Organized Crime Took Over Russia

453
00:40:59,259 --> 00:41:01,579
Under Vladimir Putin

454
00:41:01,579 --> 00:41:03,039
gangsterism on the streets

455
00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:04,979
has given way to kleptocracy

456
00:41:04,979 --> 00:41:05,799
in the state

457
00:41:05,799 --> 00:41:07,479
so this is

458
00:41:07,479 --> 00:41:09,319
looking

459
00:41:09,319 --> 00:41:12,919
post fall of the Soviet Union

460
00:41:12,919 --> 00:41:15,059
and then the wild west

461
00:41:15,059 --> 00:41:15,939
of the 90s

462
00:41:15,939 --> 00:41:18,099
in Russia

463
00:41:18,099 --> 00:41:20,859
and then Putin comes to power

464
00:41:20,859 --> 00:41:22,439
and restores order

465
00:41:22,439 --> 00:41:25,559
I just want to

466
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:27,959
I just want to read this

467
00:41:27,959 --> 00:41:29,359
and then I've got a question for you

468
00:41:29,359 --> 00:41:31,679
so this is an excerpt from that article

469
00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:33,959
he is

470
00:41:33,959 --> 00:41:35,779
this guy was interviewing

471
00:41:35,779 --> 00:41:37,999
people during the 90s

472
00:41:37,999 --> 00:41:40,059
interviewing a lot

473
00:41:40,059 --> 00:41:40,419
of

474
00:41:40,419 --> 00:41:42,799
I think he was a

475
00:41:42,799 --> 00:41:44,519
psychologist I'm not sure

476
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:47,679
he was interviewing a lot of the people

477
00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:49,019
that were in the mafia

478
00:41:49,019 --> 00:41:52,079
he says one of the men I got to know during this time

479
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:57,859
was Volodya, wiry, intense, and morose. He had a brittle and dangerous quality that, on the whole,

480
00:41:57,959 --> 00:42:02,219
I would have crossed the road to avoid. I love that line, I would have crossed the road to avoid.

481
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:08,299
He had been a marksman in the war. The other Afghansti I knew tolerated Volodya, but never

482
00:42:08,299 --> 00:42:13,859
seemed comfortable with him, nor with talking about him. He always had money to burn, at a time

483
00:42:13,859 --> 00:42:18,499
when most were eking out the most marginal of lives, living with their parents, juggling multiple

484
00:42:18,499 --> 00:42:22,699
jobs. It all made sense when I later learned that he had become what was known in Russian

485
00:42:22,699 --> 00:42:31,319
crime circles as a torpedo, a hitman. So this draws us back to Sicario, you know, a hitman

486
00:42:31,319 --> 00:42:39,259
in the cartel, a torpedo in the mafia. Some of these guys are bodyguards, some runners,

487
00:42:39,259 --> 00:42:45,559
some leg breakers, and some were killers. That decade saw the emergence of a tradition

488
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:52,119
of monumental memorialization as fallen gangsters were buried with full godfather style pomp

489
00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:57,339
with black limousines threading through paths lined with white carnations and tubes

490
00:42:57,339 --> 00:43:13,498
tombs marked with huge headstones and um i there actually there a link uh there another link to um all of of the they refer to them as tacky burials like headstones and stuff

491
00:43:13,498 --> 00:43:21,538
To be honest, I think scratching pictures into granite is just a difficult thing to do.

492
00:43:21,638 --> 00:43:24,858
I don't think it's that tacky. It's just, it's very overdone.

493
00:43:24,858 --> 00:43:50,858
But the question I have for you are, you know, are there are there similarities that we can draw between this over the top state funeral style of memorializing fallen soldiers turned hitmen that we saw in Russia with what we now see in Mexican, South American, Central American cartels?

494
00:43:50,858 --> 00:44:01,838
cartels um you know are are we is that just the modern version of that and if so so if that is

495
00:44:01,838 --> 00:44:10,558
true that that's the modern version of it then who are the other players so who's the crumbling

496
00:44:10,558 --> 00:44:20,618
bureaucracy um and who is the great man so um is is the crumbling bureaucracy bureaucracy

497
00:44:20,618 --> 00:44:26,038
the failed state apparatus that fell in upon its own weight, it was collapsed by corruption?

498
00:44:26,958 --> 00:44:33,378
Is that liberal democracy? Is that the United States?

499
00:44:34,098 --> 00:44:37,938
And then who is the great man rising to occasion?

500
00:44:38,518 --> 00:44:42,998
Previously it was Putin, and he restored authority through centralization.

501
00:44:43,818 --> 00:44:48,978
So now is it Trump who's restoring authority through decentralization?

502
00:44:48,978 --> 00:44:55,058
if it's not Trump then who is it? Is it Bukele in El Salvador? Is it Malay in Argentina?

503
00:44:55,858 --> 00:45:03,618
Is it Elon in technology? Is it Satoshi in encryption? Is it Balaji in society? Is it

504
00:45:03,618 --> 00:45:12,998
Joe Rogan in culture? Kind of frame us, take us from what we know about the fall of the Soviet

505
00:45:12,998 --> 00:45:21,238
union and what arose out of that and then kind of compare and contrast if you would the modern world

506
00:45:21,238 --> 00:45:29,438
um and kind of lay the groundwork for are we going in the same direction are we going in a different

507
00:45:29,438 --> 00:45:35,578
direction is this a remake where we just change the script a little bit or um is this something

508
00:45:35,578 --> 00:45:45,038
completely new is there is there any there there um or or is it just is it just that i'm drawing

509
00:45:45,038 --> 00:45:50,638
comparisons where there where there are none to be made so there's a lot of interesting questions

510
00:45:50,638 --> 00:45:57,718
embedded in that um i want to go back to the first part of the question um so this idea of

511
00:45:57,718 --> 00:46:06,438
gaudy state funerals or tacky state funerals, really showy maybe, within, as I understand it,

512
00:46:06,538 --> 00:46:10,438
a society that has disintegrated. Is that the point that now they begin to have these really

513
00:46:10,438 --> 00:46:19,938
gaudy state funerals? So I would just say, I would frame it as, I think, I think that the reason for

514
00:46:19,938 --> 00:46:26,758
this memorialization for this state funeral type of thing is that you have an illegitimate apparatus

515
00:46:26,758 --> 00:46:31,518
that's rising out of the crumbling, the falling legitimate apparatus.

516
00:46:32,398 --> 00:46:42,718
And one of the ways that it can help legitimize itself is to adopt some of the practices of the previous state enterprise,

517
00:46:42,878 --> 00:46:47,818
which is, oh, you know, we are going to make these people look as though they are fallen soldiers,

518
00:46:48,038 --> 00:46:54,278
fallen heroes, in order to sort of sell you on our legitimacy, I guess.

519
00:46:54,278 --> 00:47:19,018
Yeah. I mean, I think it is the state funeral. The funerals that we give are for people who were soldiers for a cause, even retroactively defining them as soldiers for a cause rather than mercenaries or criminals or bandit groups, I think is done to encourage future loyalty for people around a new cause.

520
00:47:19,018 --> 00:47:25,638
so loyalty i've often heard this said or read that loyalty is the first political virtue and

521
00:47:25,638 --> 00:47:30,898
if you want to have people to advance your cause you need to have a sort of unquestioning to a

522
00:47:30,898 --> 00:47:37,158
degree loyalty first and foremost and so one of the ways you can do that is pick the people who

523
00:47:37,158 --> 00:47:42,818
did egregious things for the cause and define them as good these are the revolutionaries that

524
00:47:42,818 --> 00:47:49,498
shed blood and if you then define what they did as very good for the cause you've redefined a new

525
00:47:49,498 --> 00:47:54,858
morality people can advance the cause even through violence or here are people who were on the vanguard

526
00:47:54,858 --> 00:48:01,178
of a new moral sentiment i'm watching a documentary now it's called africa adio i think that's italian

527
00:48:01,178 --> 00:48:09,338
for goodbye um and it's about how africa changed after the british left essentially and part of

528
00:48:09,338 --> 00:48:14,918
that in Kenya, after the British left, they freed this kind of bandit or revolutionary,

529
00:48:15,258 --> 00:48:18,658
depending on how you want to define them, group called the Mau Mau's, who were responsible for

530
00:48:18,658 --> 00:48:25,178
incredible violence against the British and against other blacks in Africa. But as soon

531
00:48:25,178 --> 00:48:30,418
as the British left, they then began to be valorized as kind of foot soldiers in the new

532
00:48:30,418 --> 00:48:38,018
movement. And I think that it's part of that idea of you tell, you look into history,

533
00:48:38,018 --> 00:48:44,018
and you begin to tell a story that justifies the moral idea that you have. Certain, you know,

534
00:48:44,158 --> 00:48:50,558
violent people become revolutionaries because they led to the creation of a new state. And so I think

535
00:48:50,558 --> 00:48:58,058
that state funerals, if they are gaudy in an attempt to really show that what could be perceived

536
00:48:58,058 --> 00:49:05,138
as a violent or bandit or mercenary group actually were, you know, revolutionaries, ideologues,

537
00:49:05,138 --> 00:49:08,338
actually were people advancing society in some way.

538
00:49:09,498 --> 00:49:12,018
I mean, I don't know how, I love this article,

539
00:49:12,258 --> 00:49:15,838
Volodya, wiry and tense and morose.

540
00:49:15,977 --> 00:49:17,477
I mean, what a beautiful characterization.

541
00:49:17,977 --> 00:49:19,958
It sounds like some Dostoevsky character

542
00:49:19,958 --> 00:49:22,038
where he's kind of brooding

543
00:49:22,038 --> 00:49:24,458
and he has this complexity to him.

544
00:49:25,538 --> 00:49:28,438
And I think that that in itself is kind of,

545
00:49:28,438 --> 00:49:32,018
you know, a characterization of, you know,

546
00:49:32,018 --> 00:49:37,977
people are not just one dimensional constructs within any of these frameworks, loyalty, voice,

547
00:49:38,158 --> 00:49:46,958
exit, morality, money, or power. We're all agents within them that, you know, maybe we're intense

548
00:49:46,958 --> 00:49:51,218
and morose in equal measure, because we believe in what we're doing, and yet are afflicted by

549
00:49:51,218 --> 00:49:57,778
a sadness or something because of what we have to do. I don't know, it's really interesting. It's

550
00:49:57,778 --> 00:50:03,378
tough to give a neat answer to all the interesting questions you pose because history is not neat

551
00:50:03,378 --> 00:50:09,918
but i mean that's the best that's the best i can do is that it's all an attempt to rewrite history

552
00:50:09,918 --> 00:50:17,058
to justify the new state or society that people want to create one of the points that you hit on

553
00:50:17,058 --> 00:50:25,598
one that i found really fascinating was that the moral power so the soviet union was the moral

554
00:50:25,598 --> 00:50:34,718
power today the moral power is the new york times um and being the moral power gives you license to

555
00:50:34,718 --> 00:50:42,238
be immoral because if you are i i you know this is kind of i think related to you know the fall

556
00:50:42,238 --> 00:50:49,738
of religion the rise of secularism and individualism where um you know god is dead and now

557
00:50:49,738 --> 00:50:57,758
the individual is God. The individual is, uh, is wholly self-determined supposedly. So, um,

558
00:50:58,018 --> 00:51:04,477
if you are God and you have God-like qualities, then God, you know, God does not sin, right? God,

559
00:51:04,477 --> 00:51:09,977
you know, whatever God does is God-like. And therefore, if you do hold that moral power,

560
00:51:09,977 --> 00:51:15,318
then that justifies any means to whatever end.

561
00:51:15,578 --> 00:51:23,678
And so all of the things that morally you will profess against

562
00:51:23,678 --> 00:51:29,038
are things that you will do in order to maintain your position of power.

563
00:51:29,258 --> 00:51:33,678
I think that's just kind of interesting how being the moral authority

564
00:51:33,678 --> 00:51:38,358
leads you down a path of immorality.

565
00:51:38,358 --> 00:52:00,457
If morality is superior to truth, then the ends will justify the means. And yeah, if you're not bound by any sort of platonic moral idea or ideal or real fact about the world, then you can't advance any sort of abstract ideology to its bloody end very quickly, for sure.

566
00:52:01,398 --> 00:52:09,518
So one of the other questions that I threw at you that I want to restate, because I do want to get your thoughts on this or just to hear you spitball on it.

567
00:52:09,518 --> 00:52:19,778
But so The Fourth Turning, which is a book that I think quite a few people in this space now have become aware of.

568
00:52:20,178 --> 00:52:27,778
If not, they have probably heard some of the tropes and some of the recited lessons from The Fourth Turning.

569
00:52:27,778 --> 00:52:39,358
And Balaji specifically mentions it in the previous chapter and ends with the discussion of it as one potential thesis for the way history is, along with the frontier and some other ideas about the directions of history.

570
00:52:39,358 --> 00:53:01,538
Yeah. And in the fourth turning, it talked about during the, you know, one of the things that is a one of the things that you may expect to see during the fourth turning, which the fourth turning is the the chaos before before you basically rise back up.

571
00:53:01,598 --> 00:53:05,618
It's the winter before the spring. It's the death before the growth.

572
00:53:05,618 --> 00:53:14,618
one of the things that is mentioned as a strong possibility is that there will be a great man

573
00:53:14,618 --> 00:53:22,378
or great woman rising to the occasion during the crisis to restore authority and so the example

574
00:53:22,378 --> 00:53:33,938
previously was that it was Putin rising out of the out of the crumbling apparatus and the chaos

575
00:53:33,938 --> 00:53:40,398
of the mafia rising to restore authority through centralizing power.

576
00:53:42,058 --> 00:53:46,778
And so if we are going through a fourth turning in the United States right now,

577
00:53:47,518 --> 00:53:52,118
and if there is power that needs to be restored,

578
00:53:52,118 --> 00:53:56,878
if there's authority that needs to be restored, who is that great man?

579
00:53:57,238 --> 00:54:01,198
Is it Trump? If it's not Trump, is it...

580
00:54:01,198 --> 00:54:04,418
I'm just giving some examples and maybe it could be someone else.

581
00:54:04,418 --> 00:54:07,338
So it could be, could be Bukele in El Salvador,

582
00:54:07,578 --> 00:54:11,678
really kind of leading the way in, in, in a lot of different, you know,

583
00:54:11,718 --> 00:54:15,238
very much centralizing power through authority,

584
00:54:15,238 --> 00:54:17,498
but also doing some decentralizing things.

585
00:54:18,298 --> 00:54:20,198
Malay as well in Argentina.

586
00:54:20,518 --> 00:54:23,278
Is it Elon Musk in technology?

587
00:54:23,758 --> 00:54:28,658
Is it Satoshi with the encryption, which is a power projection,

588
00:54:28,658 --> 00:54:34,858
which is we would be like being the unassailable military power.

589
00:54:35,618 --> 00:54:37,678
Is it biology in society?

590
00:54:37,938 --> 00:54:39,118
Is it Joe Rogan and culture?

591
00:54:39,278 --> 00:54:40,938
Is it a combination of all of these things?

592
00:54:41,158 --> 00:54:47,498
You know, is this great man theory hold water in the current time that we're in?

593
00:54:48,158 --> 00:54:51,758
And kind of what do you think about that idea?

594
00:54:52,578 --> 00:54:53,018
I mean, I wouldn't.

595
00:54:53,018 --> 00:55:06,658
So as a way to think about history, the great man theory, as I understand that, is just that individuals can interject themselves into history and change the course of events.

596
00:55:06,858 --> 00:55:20,718
And that it's not all this, you know, inevitable dialectic moving forward, bending toward justice in a very specific way in which humans are kind of atoms and one is the same as the next.

597
00:55:20,718 --> 00:55:31,618
I'm going to cut you off just to reference what you just said, which is the, what is it, the arc of history inevitably bends toward justice, which is a quote from Martin Luther King.

598
00:55:31,638 --> 00:55:33,258
I think he left out inevitably, but yeah.

599
00:55:33,258 --> 00:55:54,138
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So the arc of history bends toward justice, which is something that Martin Luther King, an idea that he promoted, which is that, you know, look, the longer we're here, the closer we get towards justice. I don't know that that's necessarily true, but it's a beautiful sentiment, right?

600
00:55:54,138 --> 00:56:00,278
yeah the arc of history constantly redefines justice to the current thing i think is a more

601
00:56:00,278 --> 00:56:07,118
maybe cynical but more correct way to do it to state that but i think you know just understanding

602
00:56:07,118 --> 00:56:12,918
the great man framework as that idea that a single person can stand in front of the wave of history

603
00:56:12,918 --> 00:56:20,457
and divert its path i think you saw that in the centimeters head tilt that trump engaged in that

604
00:56:20,457 --> 00:56:24,398
prevented the bullet from smashing through his skull. I think history would have been very

605
00:56:24,398 --> 00:56:28,477
different if that had happened. A great man is great, not just in the sense that their

606
00:56:28,477 --> 00:56:32,538
actions are great, but that history has, in some sense,

607
00:56:32,998 --> 00:56:36,678
forked, you know, because of one person.

608
00:56:36,778 --> 00:56:40,578
It's not to say that Trump's going to be good or bad, great in that sense, but he's

609
00:56:40,578 --> 00:56:44,698
great, certainly, in that history is, I think, going to be very

610
00:56:44,698 --> 00:56:48,078
different for the fact of his having been and acted

611
00:56:48,078 --> 00:56:50,498
than it will if he had not done so.

612
00:56:50,638 --> 00:56:52,038
Again, whether that's good or bad,

613
00:56:52,138 --> 00:56:56,378
it's probably just to be TBD by which party wins

614
00:56:56,378 --> 00:56:58,418
and retroactively writes the history of Trump.

615
00:56:59,218 --> 00:56:59,338
Yeah.

616
00:56:59,698 --> 00:57:02,678
I think if I was going to Vegas

617
00:57:02,678 --> 00:57:04,298
and I was laying down $1,000

618
00:57:04,298 --> 00:57:08,977
on who the great man of this era will be,

619
00:57:10,518 --> 00:57:12,558
I think I'd want to split my money.

620
00:57:13,538 --> 00:57:15,498
I don't know that I could make a bet.

621
00:57:15,898 --> 00:57:17,038
I think that I'd want to put,

622
00:57:17,038 --> 00:57:20,118
I think I'd want to put 500 bucks on

623
00:57:20,118 --> 00:57:25,218
500 bucks on Trump and 300 bucks on Elon

624
00:57:25,218 --> 00:57:27,957
and 200 bucks on Satoshi.

625
00:57:28,518 --> 00:57:31,298
Or maybe it's a thousand bucks on Satoshi.

626
00:57:31,438 --> 00:57:31,798
I don't know.

627
00:57:31,918 --> 00:57:34,858
One of the things about Satoshi is that

628
00:57:34,858 --> 00:57:40,738
he is changing the world without being here.

629
00:57:42,598 --> 00:57:45,178
So that I think that my...

630
00:57:45,178 --> 00:57:46,798
He or she, they or them.

631
00:57:46,798 --> 00:57:51,178
This is one of the few instances where pronouns are very apt.

632
00:57:52,178 --> 00:57:59,318
But, you know, like, I think you're right to say that, you know, the head turn of Trump was a fork in history.

633
00:57:59,998 --> 00:58:02,658
You know, if he doesn't move his head, he's dead.

634
00:58:02,998 --> 00:58:05,438
We are in an entirely different world.

635
00:58:08,718 --> 00:58:11,818
Biden, I think, was still running at that time.

636
00:58:12,818 --> 00:58:13,638
I think.

637
00:58:14,078 --> 00:58:15,398
Yes, he was.

638
00:58:15,398 --> 00:58:23,938
Yeah. So we're, you know, we are very likely in a second Biden, in a second Biden administration.

639
00:58:24,598 --> 00:58:30,578
You know, I think, you know, I still think Vance could have pulled it off with Trump as a martyr, right?

640
00:58:30,818 --> 00:58:36,977
But I still, even if that happens, the administration looks vastly different under Vance than it does under Trump.

641
00:58:36,977 --> 00:58:39,998
Like Vance is undergoing a sort of apprenticeship right now.

642
00:58:39,998 --> 00:58:55,218
And there's just certain things that you will never get a president who's demanding the things of Panama and Greenland changing the names of things. This is all sui generis Trump. This is not something that even if you voted for Trump, you weren't ready for those things.

643
00:58:55,218 --> 00:59:09,998
I saw somebody break down. They listed like 10 or 15 things that Trump had said that were just, you know, off the wall, bombastic, over the top. And then they listed what the result of that.

644
00:59:09,998 --> 00:59:11,457
Right. No, for sure.

645
00:59:11,738 --> 00:59:27,998
No, like, look, you know, like you, you need to understand that this is a, he's very consistent in what he does. And this is a well-proven, historically supported, not created by Trump. This is a negotiation strategy.

646
00:59:27,998 --> 00:59:34,758
strategy the art of the deal yeah and and what it what it allows it's it's actually gracious um

647
00:59:34,758 --> 00:59:41,798
to the to the other side because you say something insane like oh we're going to take over gaza

648
00:59:41,798 --> 00:59:49,957
and the other side is like hold on like wait a second like we didn't know that was on the table

649
00:59:49,957 --> 00:59:56,818
right yeah cut the baby in two yeah and and it gives them it gives them cover yeah to settle

650
00:59:56,818 --> 01:00:01,878
for something that is still a concession,

651
01:00:02,158 --> 01:00:04,977
but much more palatable than the crazy thing.

652
01:00:04,977 --> 01:00:10,538
And so it really gives them space to negotiate.

653
01:00:11,338 --> 01:00:11,538
Yeah.

654
01:00:13,038 --> 01:00:19,778
Shane Gillis talks about this clear back to when Trump was campaigning

655
01:00:19,778 --> 01:00:25,538
in the first election in 2015, 16, 15, yeah,

656
01:00:25,538 --> 01:00:28,438
where you know he's like you get up

657
01:00:28,438 --> 01:00:30,038
and you've got this

658
01:00:30,038 --> 01:00:32,118
debate between

659
01:00:32,118 --> 01:00:34,238
12, 15 different candidates

660
01:00:34,238 --> 01:00:36,298
or whatever and they're all standing up there

661
01:00:36,298 --> 01:00:38,398
like they're you know in the model you in

662
01:00:38,398 --> 01:00:40,358
and they're saying this and he's just up there

663
01:00:40,358 --> 01:00:42,258
going yeah your wife's ugly yeah you're fat

664
01:00:42,258 --> 01:00:43,058
yeah you're stupid

665
01:00:43,058 --> 01:00:46,278
we didn't know that you could do that shit

666
01:00:46,278 --> 01:00:48,238
he's like this is unfair

667
01:00:48,238 --> 01:00:50,398
like it was just unfair to see

668
01:00:50,398 --> 01:00:52,158
this dude who was like yeah

669
01:00:52,158 --> 01:00:53,878
I'm just going to play by my own rules

670
01:00:53,878 --> 01:00:57,977
and just mollywomp people with ridiculous statements.

671
01:00:58,678 --> 01:00:59,198
Yeah.

672
01:00:59,858 --> 01:01:00,118
Yeah.

673
01:01:00,658 --> 01:01:02,218
He's a great man in that sense too,

674
01:01:02,338 --> 01:01:04,578
just does things with a dynamic that's,

675
01:01:05,038 --> 01:01:08,338
it's not of the institution that he is now part of.

676
01:01:08,438 --> 01:01:09,318
So he changes things.

677
01:01:09,438 --> 01:01:09,538
Yeah.

678
01:01:10,058 --> 01:01:12,258
I have a question too.

679
01:01:12,457 --> 01:01:12,638
Like,

680
01:01:13,278 --> 01:01:17,418
I'm glad we're double cooking and following these rabbit holes.

681
01:01:17,938 --> 01:01:21,138
There is one overarching question I wanted to ask.

682
01:01:21,658 --> 01:01:22,658
Maybe not overarching,

683
01:01:22,658 --> 01:01:27,977
but it kind of generally deals with the substance of the chapter that I found it very interesting.

684
01:01:28,258 --> 01:01:29,838
NYT, CCP, and BTC.

685
01:01:31,138 --> 01:01:38,298
Balaji, in that diagram you put up, notes that NYT, state, CCP, state, BTC, network.

686
01:01:38,538 --> 01:01:43,158
But in the chapter, he does say these are actually all forms of networks that are in NYT,

687
01:01:43,318 --> 01:01:47,738
upstream of the U.S. establishment, U.S. state, CCP, upstream of the Chinese state.

688
01:01:47,738 --> 01:02:02,378
And this is because, he says, as in the last chapter, we learned that the Leviathan, that force that is the ultimate source of power, the ultimate arbiter for a society, that Leviathan is changing.

689
01:02:02,378 --> 01:02:24,038
It was God. There was a point when everybody looked to God as the ultimate arbiter. Then it was state. There was a point when everybody looked to the nation state as the ultimate source of power. Now it is the network. Whether you believe in the U.S. state, you look to the network for power, the NYT mainstream establishment that has power over the state. Same thing with China.

690
01:02:24,038 --> 01:02:36,038
If you believe that China is powerful, you look at the CCP and not just China, the nation state. It is the network. This era is the era of networks as Leviathan.

691
01:02:36,038 --> 01:02:45,498
Leviathan. I mean, it goes back, we read Matthew Pine's Global Power Competitions. It talks about,

692
01:02:45,718 --> 01:02:50,477
you know, the nature of that competition is the competition for what network we're going to be a

693
01:02:50,477 --> 01:02:56,158
part of. Authoritarian techno stack, techno authoritarian stack, or kind of liberty based

694
01:02:56,158 --> 01:03:03,457
one. And at the end of the day, you have to choose the network, choose what network you want to be a

695
01:03:03,457 --> 01:03:09,698
heart of based on who what you want to give dominion over your life morality kind of the

696
01:03:09,698 --> 01:03:17,118
martial spirit or the monetary network and so we are entering the age of network as leviathan and

697
01:03:17,118 --> 01:03:24,038
the question is just which network do you want to belong to i think i think what you just talked

698
01:03:24,038 --> 01:03:32,998
about really encompasses bology's thesis which is that networks are above the state that yeah

699
01:03:32,998 --> 01:03:36,938
They are inherently stronger than the state.

700
01:03:37,158 --> 01:03:40,518
They cannot be broken up like a state can be broken up.

701
01:03:40,957 --> 01:03:43,278
You can take down the borders.

702
01:03:43,938 --> 01:03:45,198
You can move the borders.

703
01:03:45,438 --> 01:03:48,658
You can bomb the capital, et cetera, et cetera.

704
01:03:49,358 --> 01:03:52,977
The state may die, but the network will live on.

705
01:03:52,977 --> 01:04:01,718
And so in one way, I think this really supports the tripolar thesis of NYT, CCP, and BTC.

706
01:04:02,998 --> 01:04:11,418
In another way, where you mentioned, so NYT is network over state, CCP is network over state,

707
01:04:11,938 --> 01:04:19,938
Bitcoin is network over network. And so network over network trumps network over state.

708
01:04:19,938 --> 01:04:26,318
I would say, so when I look at this, I think of it less as a tripolar moment,

709
01:04:26,318 --> 01:04:47,657
And I think of it more as the two bases the CCP and the NYT and arising out of that comes the third which is replacing the both It the child So this goes back to the you know the one the one moral commandment or the you know the one commandment of the society which is yeah

710
01:04:47,657 --> 01:04:54,296
that you have to have something there has to be something wrong with what is currently existing

711
01:04:54,296 --> 01:05:00,076
for you want to create something new and you have to be able to um elucidate that you have to be able

712
01:05:00,076 --> 01:05:07,316
to say what that is. And that's what I think BTC is doing, is it's saying, you know, the thing that

713
01:05:07,316 --> 01:05:14,896
is wrong with both of these models is that they don't allow for sovereignty, they don't allow for

714
01:05:14,896 --> 01:05:22,076
freedom, they don't allow for liberal democracy. In order to survive, those things have to,

715
01:05:22,076 --> 01:05:27,716
they have to quench and quell. Yeah, but the NYT and CCP also say to the BTC,

716
01:05:27,716 --> 01:05:34,256
maxis are not correct you do have to have a certain amount of um loyalty and you have to

717
01:05:34,256 --> 01:05:40,676
have a certain amount of morality i guess to unify people yeah yeah extremes are undesirable

718
01:05:40,676 --> 01:05:47,137
yeah i think yeah i think he said that very well i want to move to another quote here continuing on

719
01:05:47,137 --> 01:05:56,157
in the in this um in this reading um this linked article about the fall of um the fall of russia

720
01:05:56,157 --> 01:05:58,016
and the chaos in the 1990s.

721
01:05:58,676 --> 01:05:59,617
So the, quote,

722
01:05:59,716 --> 01:06:03,936
During that time, murder was a depressingly common way

723
01:06:03,936 --> 01:06:05,556
of resolving business disputes.

724
01:06:06,096 --> 01:06:09,196
The notorious aluminum wars of the early 90s

725
01:06:09,196 --> 01:06:11,696
saw thugs occupying factories,

726
01:06:12,316 --> 01:06:14,416
a string of murders and lurid accounts

727
01:06:14,416 --> 01:06:17,456
of organized crime activity across the metals industry.

728
01:06:18,276 --> 01:06:21,117
Recent research suggests that the contract killings

729
01:06:21,117 --> 01:06:25,137
related to those wars likely numbered in the thousands.

730
01:06:25,137 --> 01:06:41,157
So, one, and then to go further, the racket has disappeared in its hard form, although there are kickbacks and raids, but now he's talking about Putin's Russia.

731
01:06:41,916 --> 01:06:47,436
Now, business does not solve conflicts with the help of bandits and red-hot irons, but in the courts.

732
01:06:48,356 --> 01:06:54,156
Raiding the seizure of assets and companies through physical or legal coercion remains a serious problem,

733
01:06:54,536 --> 01:06:57,516
but it depends less on violence than it did in the past.

734
01:06:57,956 --> 01:07:05,576
One British businessman told me that he had had two separate occasions where he had to go back to Moscow

735
01:07:05,576 --> 01:07:08,676
because of attempts to steal his properties.

736
01:07:08,676 --> 01:07:14,556
On the first occasion, thugs appeared at the door and marched their way past the security guard.

737
01:07:15,016 --> 01:07:19,436
He had to call in favors, pay off local police in order to get them thrown out.

738
01:07:19,576 --> 01:07:27,776
The second time, the raiders came in through the front door in the form of lawyers and bailiffs with documents

739
01:07:27,776 --> 01:07:34,316
alleging that the property had been signed into their possession in order to discharge a non-existent debt.

740
01:07:34,316 --> 01:07:46,637
And so using lawfare in order to accomplish the means of the state where previously violence had been used to accomplish the means of the mafia.

741
01:07:48,316 --> 01:08:01,396
So they are well aware that they appreciate a degree of predictability within the system.

742
01:08:01,396 --> 01:08:08,576
And also, now that they are rich, they appreciate a state apparatus dedicated to preserving property rights.

743
01:08:08,996 --> 01:08:10,256
Who is they in that?

744
01:08:10,396 --> 01:08:18,196
This would be those benefiting the state apparatus and the oligarchs that are associated with that,

745
01:08:18,856 --> 01:08:25,236
benefiting from the property rights that allow them to keep what they have stolen.

746
01:08:25,236 --> 01:08:31,236
but they are they are also well aware that an honest well-functioning police force and a

747
01:08:31,236 --> 01:08:35,656
dedicated incorruptible judiciary would be a serious threat to them so they're kind of in this

748
01:08:35,656 --> 01:08:41,676
in this weird space where as a result they have a strong interest in preserving the current

749
01:08:41,676 --> 01:08:49,716
compromised status quo um so one of the things that i i wanted to i was trying to think about was

750
01:08:49,716 --> 01:09:01,656
if the aluminum wars were kind of the kickoff for some big, big violence. And I looked up,

751
01:09:01,656 --> 01:09:07,096
I kind of queried chat GPT. I was like, why, why was it aluminum? Like, what was the point?

752
01:09:07,836 --> 01:09:19,216
And aluminum at that time was a highly valued, scarce resource for defense and for, you know,

753
01:09:19,216 --> 01:09:25,497
for building weaponry, for building airplanes, for building, and so to control that really

754
01:09:25,497 --> 01:09:28,616
allowed you to control the defense of your assets.

755
01:09:29,336 --> 01:09:35,056
And so I wanted to know, what would the modern day equivalent of that be?

756
01:09:35,917 --> 01:09:43,836
Instead of aluminum wars, do we think of it now, will it be the like Bitcoin hashing wars,

757
01:09:43,836 --> 01:09:45,957
energy domination wars?

758
01:09:46,636 --> 01:09:48,196
Will it be chip wars?

759
01:09:48,196 --> 01:09:49,716
for AI?

760
01:09:50,816 --> 01:09:52,676
Will it be maybe rare earth

761
01:09:52,676 --> 01:09:54,196
minerals?

762
01:09:55,356 --> 01:09:56,957
Where would you

763
01:09:56,957 --> 01:09:58,896
see that? Or when you look

764
01:09:58,896 --> 01:10:00,856
at the global landscape now and you see

765
01:10:00,856 --> 01:10:02,656
conflict arising

766
01:10:02,656 --> 01:10:04,596
over resources

767
01:10:04,596 --> 01:10:06,756
and assets that could

768
01:10:06,756 --> 01:10:08,696
lend

769
01:10:08,696 --> 01:10:10,156
themselves towards

770
01:10:10,156 --> 01:10:12,877
protecting, to be

771
01:10:12,877 --> 01:10:14,676
a defensive or an offensive

772
01:10:14,676 --> 01:10:16,816
capability, what

773
01:10:16,816 --> 01:10:25,696
do you feel is the modern aluminum war? Is it Bitcoin? Is it chips? Is it rare earth? Is it

774
01:10:25,696 --> 01:10:32,977
something else? Is it all of those? I think it's membership in a monetary network. So I think that

775
01:10:32,977 --> 01:10:39,856
what we're fighting over in all of these trade wars is the United States trying to slip out of

776
01:10:39,856 --> 01:10:44,336
the Triffin dilemma being the issue of the global reserve currency that we seem to be losing our

777
01:10:44,336 --> 01:10:51,156
industrial base, all of these things, trying to change the nature of the monetary network that

778
01:10:51,156 --> 01:10:58,196
the world is a part of, so that we're not subject to that dilemma, while China also tries to change

779
01:10:58,196 --> 01:11:04,216
the nature of the monetary network to control it with a CBDC, central bank digital currency. I think

780
01:11:04,216 --> 01:11:09,936
all this conflict we see is downstream of the money. And what people what we're what we're all

781
01:11:09,936 --> 01:11:17,877
fighting over is the perversities that arise from a fiat-based economic system, that it's not about

782
01:11:17,877 --> 01:11:25,096
a scarce resource anymore. It's about the lack of scarcity and the fact that it gives certain

783
01:11:25,096 --> 01:11:28,816
attributes to the monetary system when it's guided by a fiat currency. You need a global reserve

784
01:11:28,816 --> 01:11:36,236
currency issuer, and that issuer then is harmed in very specific ways, even as other aspects of

785
01:11:36,236 --> 01:11:43,856
that same society benefit the financial class, real estate, insurance, fire, abbreviated as fire,

786
01:11:44,256 --> 01:11:51,176
those tend to benefit as the manufacturing base is lost. And so conflict arises due to, again,

787
01:11:51,276 --> 01:11:56,856
I think just the nature of our changing monetary network and what the future monetary network is

788
01:11:56,856 --> 01:12:03,936
going to look like. So we're back to fix the money, fix the world. But for anyone who missed

789
01:12:03,936 --> 01:12:10,196
our previous conversation, explain the Triffin dilemma. The Triffin dilemma, in its relevant

790
01:12:10,196 --> 01:12:14,696
sense, so I think it's George Triffin, an economist in the 60s comes up with this idea,

791
01:12:14,917 --> 01:12:21,017
it is that if you are the global reserve currency issuer, you're going to have an exorbitant

792
01:12:21,017 --> 01:12:27,556
privilege of being able to print value, essentially, and people around the world are going to want what

793
01:12:27,556 --> 01:12:31,576
you printed, they're going to want those dollars that you can just print like monopoly money.

794
01:12:31,576 --> 01:12:56,056
And so you can send them that and they will send you back real world goods in exchange for the pieces of paper that you're sending them. That's the exorbitant privilege. It also, there's an exorbitant burden, though. The country that has that privilege of printing value and sending it throughout the world to get back real world products now has no internal, has less internal incentive.

795
01:12:56,056 --> 01:13:03,196
It's more difficult internally to foster that manufacturing base that would allow you to make products yourself.

796
01:13:03,457 --> 01:13:09,776
So manufacturing then goes abroad where people will work for less.

797
01:13:10,296 --> 01:13:15,936
It makes less economic sense to make those things in the United States or whoever issues a global reserve currency.

798
01:13:16,696 --> 01:13:18,136
So that's the tripping dilemma.

799
01:13:18,136 --> 01:13:27,396
You have the ability to print value and get goods from around the world, but then that leads to the manufacturers of goods domestically to go to other countries.

800
01:13:27,396 --> 01:13:39,816
So you lose your industrial base, even as the financial sectors of the society that are making use, that are benefiting from the printing of money closest to it, tend to grow very, very rapidly.

801
01:13:40,136 --> 01:13:42,176
That's one explanation of the Triffin Dilemma.

802
01:13:42,176 --> 01:13:58,096
Yeah. So Triffon dilemma, if you have the ability to be the world's reserve currency, you will abuse that ability. And in abusing that ability, you will lose the world's reserve currency after losing your industrial capability.

803
01:13:58,096 --> 01:14:13,796
And I don't even think that it's abuse, though. The dilemma is that the world needs dollars, like liquidity is required to enable global trade. And so you have to, the world needs dollars. And so the reserve currency provider has to supply it with dollars.

804
01:14:13,796 --> 01:14:27,997
But that goes against, you know, so the concept that is somewhat hard to grasp is that any amount of money, so long as it is consistent, will serve a society, so long as it meets the characteristics of money.

805
01:14:28,716 --> 01:14:39,776
So it needs dollars. It does not need a ever increasing amount of dollars. Right. It just needs dollars. So I see what you're saying.

806
01:14:39,776 --> 01:14:43,536
I think but increasing volumes of trade

807
01:14:43,536 --> 01:14:44,836
require increasing dollars

808
01:14:44,836 --> 01:14:46,576
because it's not like you can split up the cent

809
01:14:46,576 --> 01:14:49,656
into an infinity of other cents

810
01:14:49,656 --> 01:14:52,796
because it is not infinitely divisible

811
01:14:52,796 --> 01:14:55,196
it's nearly infinitely divisible

812
01:14:55,196 --> 01:14:56,276
like Bitcoin

813
01:14:56,276 --> 01:15:00,096
that you have to go the other way

814
01:15:00,096 --> 01:15:01,076
you have to go up

815
01:15:01,076 --> 01:15:06,977
which is why we see the printing

816
01:15:06,977 --> 01:15:08,497
of trillion dollar notes

817
01:15:08,497 --> 01:15:12,176
in societies that have hyperinflated their currency

818
01:15:12,176 --> 01:15:17,156
because they are continually trying to go up the stack

819
01:15:17,156 --> 01:15:24,936
in order to make money, I guess, more usable.

820
01:15:25,576 --> 01:15:29,417
Yeah, but even then, the Triven Dilemma is not implicated for those countries

821
01:15:29,417 --> 01:15:31,636
because they don't have the global reserve currency,

822
01:15:31,896 --> 01:15:35,736
so it's not a dynamic in other countries needing their currency.

823
01:15:35,736 --> 01:15:40,616
It's just internally they want to inflate and tax away and steal value from their own citizens.

824
01:15:41,917 --> 01:15:43,236
Well, that's what we're doing too.

825
01:15:43,576 --> 01:15:45,616
And we just get rid of the penny.

826
01:15:46,477 --> 01:15:46,977
Yeah, yeah.

827
01:15:47,977 --> 01:15:50,716
Get rid of the penny, print a thousand dollar bill.

828
01:15:50,856 --> 01:15:52,096
That's probably the next thing, right?

829
01:15:52,596 --> 01:15:52,856
Yeah.

830
01:15:53,156 --> 01:15:59,497
No, but the only thing is I just want to, I'm not saying that the U.S. financial system is not rife with abuse in every sort of way.

831
01:15:59,497 --> 01:16:14,636
But I think the Triffin dilemma is more agnostic in that even if you're trying not to abuse it, you're just stuck at the bad end of a certain dynamic that has to play out because the global reserve currency issuer stands in a special place in relation to the rest of the world.

832
01:16:14,636 --> 01:16:30,997
Yeah, I think, I mean, hearing the Triffin dilemma explained, to me, makes it very obvious why you would, if you were the world's reserve currency, you would want to be making plans to not be the world's reserve currency.

833
01:16:30,997 --> 01:16:34,917
because if you were able to learn from the lessons of history

834
01:16:34,917 --> 01:16:43,396
and see how that has hollowed out the British Empire,

835
01:16:43,776 --> 01:16:50,477
how it will eventually hollow out the Chinese Empire, I would assume,

836
01:16:51,256 --> 01:16:54,576
as they continue the Belt and Road Initiative.

837
01:16:56,076 --> 01:16:59,836
But yeah, I think that if you can learn from the lessons of history,

838
01:16:59,836 --> 01:17:04,816
then you would say that, oh, we are in this place of exorbitant privilege now,

839
01:17:04,816 --> 01:17:12,316
but we need to make plans because we don't want to be the ones left holding the bag after everyone else has left

840
01:17:12,316 --> 01:17:19,736
and moved on to the new monetary network, which is obviously happening right now.

841
01:17:21,576 --> 01:17:29,396
So, yeah, I think that was about all I had on my little rabbit hole down.

842
01:17:29,836 --> 01:17:34,816
down the Russian mafia hole.

843
01:17:36,076 --> 01:17:37,877
One of the things that I wanted to bring up was,

844
01:17:38,836 --> 01:17:40,836
so how are things different this time?

845
01:17:41,136 --> 01:17:44,256
Well, one of the things that's different is that...

846
01:17:44,256 --> 01:17:44,936
Different from what?

847
01:17:45,517 --> 01:17:47,716
So in the previous tripolar moment,

848
01:17:48,076 --> 01:17:51,896
which was Soviet Russia,

849
01:17:53,676 --> 01:17:55,316
Nazi Germany, and the USA,

850
01:17:55,856 --> 01:17:58,536
where the Soviets were the moral power,

851
01:17:58,536 --> 01:18:05,836
the nazis were the martial power usa was the monetary power what happened was that the

852
01:18:05,836 --> 01:18:12,477
moral power and the monetary power joined together to defeat the military power

853
01:18:12,477 --> 01:18:21,036
there was an advantage during that time and the advantage was that the combination of the moral

854
01:18:21,036 --> 01:18:26,997
and the monetary power outnumbered the martial power five to one.

855
01:18:27,256 --> 01:18:31,196
350 million people against 70 million.

856
01:18:31,877 --> 01:18:36,096
What's different this time around is that the martial power,

857
01:18:36,096 --> 01:18:46,436
which is China, outnumbers the combined moral and money power

858
01:18:46,436 --> 01:18:47,856
by about four to one.

859
01:18:47,856 --> 01:18:52,196
So instead of a one-to-five ratio, it's now four-to-one.

860
01:18:53,957 --> 01:19:05,917
1.3 billion Chinese against, say, 400 million combined on the other side.

861
01:19:06,096 --> 01:19:09,576
And so quantity is a quality all its own.

862
01:19:10,656 --> 01:19:14,276
I believe that was Stalin. I'm not sure.

863
01:19:14,276 --> 01:19:17,256
But quantity is a quality all of its own.

864
01:19:17,256 --> 01:19:32,636
And so there is a cause for concern here, right, in that just because it played out in a certain direction the last time does not necessarily mean that it will play out in the same direction this time.

865
01:19:32,636 --> 01:19:43,096
and the this time I would say the authoritarian like yeah you are seeing the split within the left

866
01:19:43,096 --> 01:19:53,636
where you are seeing liberals distance themselves from woke capital NYT that kind of thing and you

867
01:19:53,636 --> 01:20:01,276
know the woke NYT that will align more with the authoritarian Chinese CCP and the the liberal side

868
01:20:01,276 --> 01:20:07,856
that's the Greenwald side will align a bit more probably with the sovereign BTC.

869
01:20:09,276 --> 01:20:15,736
But do you have any thoughts on that as far as the global landscape now?

870
01:20:15,877 --> 01:20:24,156
Now that the teams are different and there are a lot more players on the military power team

871
01:20:24,156 --> 01:20:33,296
and they appear to have a substantial lead in terms of both numbers and military power.

872
01:20:33,997 --> 01:20:39,236
Yeah, I think some hope, just given the way that working within Balaji's framework is,

873
01:20:39,356 --> 01:20:41,377
the new Leviathan is the network.

874
01:20:41,636 --> 01:20:44,997
So these are all three expressions of a network.

875
01:20:45,196 --> 01:20:48,256
It's no longer nation-state versus nation-state.

876
01:20:48,256 --> 01:20:53,497
It's now different iterations, possibilities for a network versus other possibilities.

877
01:20:53,497 --> 01:21:03,316
And networks have less neat boundaries. They kind of, I think, sometimes connect to each other through certain nodes and so bleed into each other in a certain way.

878
01:21:03,316 --> 01:21:23,417
I just think that there's hope there because BTC decentralization can begin to clave off, draw off members of the other two poles in a way that maybe interconnects everybody.

879
01:21:23,417 --> 01:21:26,936
It becomes like a Kevin Bacon level of association.

880
01:21:27,156 --> 01:21:35,936
The networks begin to intertwine where I have somebody who's less extreme than me as a friend who has somebody who's less extreme even than that person.

881
01:21:35,936 --> 01:22:03,276
And so like BTC begins through network connections to connect to NYT and CCP. And there's a way in which maybe then that draws out a sort of aggressive militarism and people are more interested in winning within the network, which is just a software idea that being part of the same network broadly writ makes us all want to compete within the network.

882
01:22:03,276 --> 01:22:05,616
and if there is a way to do that

883
01:22:05,616 --> 01:22:07,597
like Bitcoin that is non-kinetic

884
01:22:07,597 --> 01:22:09,436
then maybe we don't need

885
01:22:09,436 --> 01:22:11,616
violent war to

886
01:22:11,616 --> 01:22:12,856
be the decider

887
01:22:12,856 --> 01:22:15,296
if network is Leviathan

888
01:22:15,296 --> 01:22:17,336
then maybe non-kinetic warfare

889
01:22:17,336 --> 01:22:19,636
is like the arbiter of truth

890
01:22:19,636 --> 01:22:21,996
under it in the form of like proof of work

891
01:22:21,996 --> 01:22:23,597
or encryption or something I don't know

892
01:22:23,597 --> 01:22:25,856
yeah what Balaji says

893
01:22:25,856 --> 01:22:27,536
at the very end of this chapter

894
01:22:27,536 --> 01:22:29,877
speaks directly to

895
01:22:29,877 --> 01:22:31,856
what you're talking about here which is

896
01:22:31,856 --> 01:22:52,917
One of our premises is that Indians, Israelis, American dissidents, Chinese liberals, tech founders and investors, and people from other countries that want to maintain their sovereignty will need to avail themselves of Bitcoin Web3 for decentralized communication, transaction, and computation.

897
01:22:53,597 --> 01:22:53,736
Yeah.

898
01:22:53,736 --> 01:23:02,477
So in the next chapter, he'll go on to explain why and how to frame that scenario and kind of what that looks like.

899
01:23:03,517 --> 01:23:05,877
And is that next chapter, is that called the re-centralized center?

900
01:23:06,336 --> 01:23:08,896
The road to re-centralization, I think.

901
01:23:08,917 --> 01:23:16,276
Right, cool. So it must be like he ends with this idea of the re-centralized center, trying to find the place within that triangle of poles, the three-polar system.

902
01:23:17,097 --> 01:23:21,536
You have to find a re-centralized center. And so I guess, yeah, cool. The next chapter will bring us to that.

903
01:23:21,536 --> 01:23:40,216
Yeah, yeah. So moves us down this path. I think a great job of laying the groundwork for understanding, as he states in the beginning of the chapter, you know, it may not be that this model is correct.

904
01:23:40,216 --> 01:23:51,196
However, it is almost certainly usefully wrong, even if it is incorrect, in that it gives us a place to start from.

905
01:23:53,116 --> 01:23:55,176
Nothing is clearly defined.

906
01:23:55,417 --> 01:23:58,957
The monetary power does have martial power.

907
01:23:59,097 --> 01:24:00,176
It does have media power.

908
01:24:00,356 --> 01:24:01,477
It does have moral power.

909
01:24:01,656 --> 01:24:01,776
Yeah.

910
01:24:01,776 --> 01:24:12,136
The moral power has, you know, each of them has components of the other, yet there is one thing that is expressed greatly over the rest.

911
01:24:12,477 --> 01:24:13,036
Yeah.

912
01:24:13,396 --> 01:24:13,736
Yeah.

913
01:24:14,296 --> 01:24:18,057
Pulls us into a new discussion, I guess.

914
01:24:19,957 --> 01:24:23,977
So if this is the premise, then what are the next steps that play?

915
01:24:23,977 --> 01:24:24,196
Right.

916
01:24:24,517 --> 01:24:26,576
And that's what we're talking about next time.

917
01:24:27,336 --> 01:24:27,696
Cool.

918
01:24:28,236 --> 01:24:29,196
What else you got?

919
01:24:29,877 --> 01:24:31,057
That's all I had.

920
01:24:31,057 --> 01:24:33,496
I'm eager to see the recentralized center

921
01:24:33,496 --> 01:24:35,756
it's an interesting trajectory to start with

922
01:24:35,756 --> 01:24:37,936
this book we're going to talk about the network

923
01:24:37,936 --> 01:24:40,136
state how to create

924
01:24:40,136 --> 01:24:41,136
a startup society

925
01:24:41,136 --> 01:24:44,097
begin in the cloud and then create a network

926
01:24:44,097 --> 01:24:46,236
state in real life

927
01:24:46,236 --> 01:24:48,057
and then he's taken this foray

928
01:24:48,057 --> 01:24:49,716
through history and through ideology

929
01:24:49,716 --> 01:24:51,996
and now we're getting to

930
01:24:51,996 --> 01:24:53,877
next chapter and you know

931
01:24:53,877 --> 01:24:56,156
the recentralized center to

932
01:24:56,156 --> 01:24:57,377
see even more

933
01:24:57,377 --> 01:24:59,156
what a startup

934
01:24:59,156 --> 01:25:04,196
startup society founder needs to be conscious of as they triangulate the position of their

935
01:25:04,196 --> 01:25:11,676
network society um and find yeah and to be able to find people who want to join it yeah uh again

936
01:25:11,676 --> 01:25:18,776
it's a good it's a good read it's fun um the hyperlinks are just uh utter joy i think in terms

937
01:25:18,776 --> 01:25:24,917
of someone who wants to dig deep into this and find some rabbit holes i pulled out like two

938
01:25:24,917 --> 01:25:26,877
hyperlinks of, you know, say

939
01:25:26,877 --> 01:25:28,316
100 or 150.

940
01:25:28,996 --> 01:25:30,977
And if you're

941
01:25:30,977 --> 01:25:32,536
reading along with this, then

942
01:25:32,536 --> 01:25:34,816
definitely delve into it and

943
01:25:34,816 --> 01:25:36,996
start tracing your own path

944
01:25:36,996 --> 01:25:38,116
and finding your own

945
01:25:38,116 --> 01:25:40,957
commonalities and similarities that either

946
01:25:40,957 --> 01:25:42,936
prove or disprove what you believe

947
01:25:42,936 --> 01:25:44,977
and adjust your thoughts.

948
01:25:45,296 --> 01:25:46,977
So, yeah, moving

949
01:25:46,977 --> 01:25:48,856
on, we will cover

950
01:25:48,856 --> 01:25:50,496
chapter four next time.

951
01:25:51,256 --> 01:25:51,536
Right on.

952
01:25:54,917 --> 01:26:01,977
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953
01:26:02,356 --> 01:26:11,676
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