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All right. So Peter McCormick, man, Miss Legend.

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Nice. Come on, man.

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Thank you for joining me. It really is. It's a huge honor to have you. And yesterday I caught

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you in the cafe. You gave me some great advice on being a podcaster. And so I'm going to try to

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implement some of that. So the first thing I'm going to do is I'm going to tell a couple of

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stories and lead that into a question. So one of the ones that I want to start with was

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the idea of being your own superhero, of taking responsibility for your life.

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So about two years ago, I moved up to Wenatchee, Washington, this little sports community kind of place,

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built a whole bunch of friends, and we decided to throw a house party.

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And I sent out invitations.

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All the invitation had on it was come at once if convenient.

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If convenient, come all the same, Sherlock Holmes quote.

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And the other thing, it said dress like your own superhero.

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dressed like the hero of your own story. So we're all a character in a story. We're all

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constantly telling ourselves that. And the more we take control of that, I think the more we're

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able to be the superhero of that story, instead of the instead of the NPC, you know, and even at

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worst, maybe even your own villain. So my question, because I didn't want to give you the introduction

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of this is what you've done and everything.

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In the story of your life, what character are you?

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Who is the superhero?

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What are his strengths?

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What's his kryptonite?

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You don't have to tell me what his secret outfit is.

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I think I've got a good answer for this, actually.

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So just can it be myself, right?

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At 14, 15 years old.

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I was a little metalhead, long hair, skateboard, shorts, Metallica shirt, whatever, Megadeth shirt.

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And I used to go and meet my friends in the multi-story car park in Bedford.

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We used to go skateboarding every day.

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And it was obviously before mobile phones.

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And I think that was – if I had to pick a favorite kind of period of my life, I've really enjoyed my life.

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I could die tomorrow.

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I'd be very content.

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I'd be very lucky.

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But that was, you know, the coming-of-age films from the 90s?

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Yeah.

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That was my life.

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The Rat Pack.

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Yeah.

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You grew up with those, too.

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So we would just, you know, I would skateboard from my house to town,

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which is, you know, a few miles.

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We'd just skateboard and be listening to an old Walkman,

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listen to Bon Jovi or something,

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and we'd meet in the car park, we'd skate all day.

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And that was a kind of transitional period

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because we used to skateboard in town and we got banned from the town

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because we were kind of grinding the beautiful stonery.

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And so we campaigned together to get a skate park.

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And at that same time, I set up a fanzine because I was listening to rock music,

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metal, and I wanted – I don't know why.

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I just wanted to be involved in the industry, so I started a fanzine.

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And so I would phone up the record companies and do interviews.

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So I interviewed Korn and Pantera and Slayer.

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It was cool.

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And so the reason I loved that period of my life was I was just excited by life.

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And I just believed you could do anything you wanted.

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And I wanted to start a magazine.

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I wanted to interview Corns, and I did.

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And it's kind of funny because, you know, you roll, I don't know what, 25 years later,

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there with Bukele, the president of El Salvador, in a Metallica show doing an interview.

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and people are like it's so disrespectful you should have i've just went as me and i've been

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the same person since i was like uh 14 look at me now i'm in a deftones hoodie right yeah i'm not

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we just bump into each other yeah just but i just i still dress like i'm 14 most days i've just got

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a metal shirt and jeans on and shorts and um and there's i think there's periods in life where you

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try and force what you want and then there's periods in life where you go with the flow

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and both can lead to the same outcome you can force what you want or you can get it from the flow

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but when you go i've always found that when you go with the flow you write out the good

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bad times a lot better if you try and force an outcome yeah when things don't go your way it's

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more stressful um you kind of beat yourself up uh you you it's just not a good way to be but when

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you go with the flow if you're very stoic and accept what life will give i think the outcomes

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can usually end up the same yeah yeah so um the the hero of my life is if it's allowed to be me

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it's me at 14 if the hero of my life is somebody else that's just my dad i know it's a cliche but

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My dad is.

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My dad's so cool.

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He's just a hard worker.

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He's an engineer, aircraft engineer, and just makes sure his kids have the best.

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Do I have any famous heroes?

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No heroes.

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Sometimes I think people put who they admire as a hero.

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Like I love Sean Penn as an actor.

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He's not my hero.

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I'm trying to think.

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Modern-day heroes.

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who's

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I mean a hero has to be

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somebody who's done I think

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something incredible

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for the world

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that's a tough one

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you get to our age

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more of the cooler people are younger than you

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and you don't want someone younger than you to be a hero

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it's certainly shameful

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to look at a 22 year old and go

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I wish I could be like that

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hero of my life

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I mean

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I love Metallica

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is James Hetfield

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the hero of my life

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I loved Alice in Chains

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Lady Stadia's not my hero

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Guy died a

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drugged up loser

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like a great singer but

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threw it all away

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I don't know man

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hero of my life

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it's one of those ones you want to think about and make sure you get just right

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my son in some ways

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that's really cool

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I'll tell you why because he's a better human than I am

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he's more introverted

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he doesn't

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need praise

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he's very balanced

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think I need to grow up

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sometimes because he

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he's handled a lot in his life

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and he handles it

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really well so yeah i don't know i don't know if i have heroes i just have people i really admire

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i think it's good not to have heroes when i i don't know who it was but when i was a very young

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kid i got to meet somebody yeah i met somebody famous and i remember just thinking i walked away

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and i go that's just some guy yeah like and that really helped for later on it it helps with talking

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to people like helps with talking to people that you look up to like i can come talk to you as a

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guy and not as like oh it's this guy on a pedestal um and i think people appreciate that when other

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people come up to them too because they don't have the pressure of being somebody's hero like that's

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not that's not fun too yeah look everybody is is either the person who made a series of choices

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which got them where they are, or somebody who was born with an ability

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which they were able to exploit.

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So singing, the ability to sing and have a beautiful voice,

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is very hard to teach.

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It's really hard.

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Like if you're a football player, you could be an average football player

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and train hard and become good enough to make it.

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It's very hard as a singer.

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If you can't sing, you can't sing.

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And so if you meet a singer who's very successful because of their voice,

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They were born with a talent.

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Now, they might have been a songwriter as well, and they worked at songwriting.

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Incredible.

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But most people just made a series of decisions.

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I woke up one day and said I wanted to start a podcast, and so I did.

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And I just worked hard and did some cool interviews.

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I could have made other decisions, and I would be managing a store.

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Or I could have made other decisions, and I would be a member of parliament.

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Just a series of decisions happen that you make, maybe your parents make, and you end up somewhere.

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but people are just people every single person goes to bed at the end of the day and they're

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just a person happy sad emotional about all the same shit so starting the podcast yes you gave me

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a little background on that yesterday yep and you're you know to summarize kind of what you said

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basically you you were on a downward trajectory kind of hit rock bottom found exercise through

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running found rich roll through running and then you had this someone who was successful

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doing the thing that you wanted to do which was being a podcaster who was modeling that behavior

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for you and you were you reached out and you got some assistance and or you got some advice on how

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to start yep and you just took off from then so um i found ritual the same way okay i started running

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the first time I went out, I made it half a mile and I sat down and I contemplated my life decisions.

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And I was just, I would, and, but I did, I did, because I grew up, I was a good athlete. And then

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I had let myself go. And it was just, I was, I was very ashamed of myself. And I was like,

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you know what, it's not that bad. Maybe next time we'll make it a mile. And you do. And yeah,

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and you keep, you keep progressing. And within, I was training, I was like, well, you know,

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train for something so they had a five kilometer race i was going to join that i was going to do

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that that was going to be my first time ever and i wanted to get faster and so i read rich's book

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and the thing that i took away from it there's this part in it where he talks about he got a

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running coach because he could not seem to get his time chris hoff is that okay that's the guy's name

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who yeah he coached me for one point really yeah small okay so so you probably got this

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run slow to run fast run slow to run fast yeah exactly that's exactly so the first time i tried

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this run only as fast as you can while you can still breathe through your nose and it was

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pathetically slow but i set out trying to run two miles and i just fell into it and i ended up going

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12 and a half miles and my times were going down yep and i was like this is unbelievable this is

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fancy so when i coach people now that's what i try to coach them is like look you don't want to learn

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how to do this thing fast you want to learn how to do this thing well and then practice so that you

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get faster yeah i think it's one run in every four should be fast and so the other three runs you've

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got to keep your you wear a heart rate monitor your bpm below 140 because it's to do with um uh

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the different zones you're in yeah because you can essentially run the 140 you know as forever but

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the problem with that is is like to keep it under 140 when you first do it you almost walk and you

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look like a fucking idiot it was you look like an idiot yeah but you build up about i got my

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unfortunately i put my back out and to have back surgery so i haven't run for years but

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i got my i should show you a picture i'm a lot i was a lot thinner i got my 5k down to 23 and a

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half and my 10k down i think was to 49 minutes i broke 50 yeah i was doing half marathons i was

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running every day um unfortunately my knee's gone now for an arthritic shoulder and had back surgery

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but i put my back out running and i just haven't been able to run since from running you yeah put

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your back out yeah so i don't know what it was by herniated disc i mean maybe it's not from the

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running but the first time it went really badly was running the second time was picking a bottle

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off the floor uh and eventually i had back surgery with herniated disc and haven't been able to run

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since which is sad so what are you doing what are you doing now for workouts uh because you're in

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the gym well i'm in the gym because i'm here um i've probably had about four to five month period

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where i've done nothing because i've been so busy with various bits of work i lay i basically stack

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too much work uh but i've just got back into the gym uh if i'm if i'm active i am uh weights three

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times a week i do a hard 25 minute session maybe 30 minute session and i'll cycle a couple of times

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a week you embody weights or weights uh i'm doing so i bench um but that's difficult because i've

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got my uh because my shoulder my arthritic shoulder but i can still do it doctor says

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still do it i squat and it's just a very i just i do the weights i like yeah gotcha um so my

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question with that is like that was my takeaway was the slowest slowest fast type of thing what

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and it could be from rich or it could be from chris or it could be from whoever but

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what's something from i mean you started this eight eight years ago more than eight right

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so you started this journey that long ago so what's something from back then that's a lesson

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or a piece of advice that you're still drawing from because because a lot of times i think you

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know like the thing that got you here isn't the thing that gets you to the next level

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yeah but i think there are like certain things that you can take all the way to the top yeah i

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I mean, look, Rich gave me loads of advice.

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One of them was be patient and don't give up because a lot of people give up early.

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I think because he's a podcaster, a lot of people came to him and said,

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I want to start a podcast.

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And he said to me, I'm the only one who stuck with it,

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to the point where I think he actually respects what I do.

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He might not like my content, but he respects what I do.

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But also was just authenticity is key.

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So don't try and be authentic because you can't try to be authentic.

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Just be you.

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And so open yourself up.

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Be who you are.

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Let people know who you are.

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And either they like you or they won't.

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And look, I think being a podcast actually suits me because, you know,

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if you came to my hometown of Bedford, you'll see as I'm in my coffee shop

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or walk around the town, I talk to everyone.

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I'm just a talker.

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I like talking to people.

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So it suits me to have a job where I talk.

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And everyone should just find the thing that suits them.

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I think a thousand people can start a podcast and maybe only two make a living out of it

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just for whatever number of reasons.

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Some is luck.

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Some is timing.

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Some is who you are.

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Just be authentic to yourself.

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And that's what I did.

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So I would just say what I'm thinking on the podcast.

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And sometimes I would say stupid shit.

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and with some people it annoyed them and they're like,

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fuck me and don't listen to a show and other people enjoyed it.

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And so from that I managed to build this podcast

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and it's the same with what I'm doing now because I flipped it now.

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It's not a Bitcoin show anymore.

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It's just a general show and I'm still just being me,

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just being very open and honest about what I think and the questions I have.

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And I still draw from that.

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And don't get me wrong, there are times where your feet lift off the ground

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And I'm just like a guy who made a Bitcoin podcast.

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I've never scored a goal at Wembley or played on stage at Wembley.

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Nothing crazy.

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But still with that, sometimes your feet lift off the ground.

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You know, you interview a president.

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You're like, wow, you're at a conference and loads of people come up

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and they'll talk to you.

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And you're like, oh, this means something to them.

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you've got to stay grounded and just, you know, give everybody time.

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and help them.

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And just, yeah, I still draw on that.

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Just be you.

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Just be you.

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Let people see you warts and all.

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And if they don't like you, so be it.

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And if they like you, great.

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But just you cannot.

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It's like I said earlier, you can't force these things.

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You can't force a podcast to be successful.

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It either is or it isn't.

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I used to play.

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I used to front a band.

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I see your guitar out there.

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And one of the things, I started out, I was a singer-songwriter,

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playing acoustic shows, played 500, 600 acoustic.

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shows and then i started a band and that's a totally different vibe right you get everything

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you get the stage lights and you get the smoke and you get everything going and then it kind of

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becomes less about being a singer songwriter and more about selling beer and just you know and like

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oh we're here to party it's not like you know when you get one man one guitar you're up there like

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dylan you're like i'm going to be a philosopher and here's what i'm going to tell you you know

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And we did it for seven years and it was really good. And it was starting to build. We were really starting to move right when COVID hit. And I got this chance to like everything shut down. Gym shut down, work shut down, band shut down, canceled all the gigs. I went and lived on a sailboat. I went and lived in the mountains, just hiked every day, shut my phone off, quit doing stuff.

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and i came to realize that i didn't like the kind of person i had become when i was on stage because

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i was playing to that idea of selling beer and whatever and moving that's when i read like kevin

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kelly's um thousand true fans article and you know it's like hey if you have like understand

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the math if you have a thousand patreon patreon guy yeah uh well um he's not the guy who created

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Patreon, but he's a huge fan of that model.

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The Patreon guy is a musician who got big on YouTube.

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And when YouTube changed the algorithm from chronological to algorithmic it destroyed the subscriber base because then it started to encourage this like

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short-term you know high high shock value type content as opposed to like rubbish yeah but

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everything's gone to shit since he's well he's done a presentation called a thousand true fans

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yeah oh okay yeah so he talked about a thousand true fans that's where i heard it gotcha gotcha

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So Kevin Kelly, the founder of Wired Magazine, like super, super tech OG, and just the most thoughtful, lives like an Amish guy now.

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But he goes, yeah, do the math.

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A thousand true fans, if they contribute $100, that's $100,000.

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It's good living, right?

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Good enough to get you moving in the right direction.

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And so that's when I decided I was going to kind of move more in the direction of this kind of singer-songwriter thing, go back to being that authentic.

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because that's the kind of, if you're going to have audience capture, it'd be nice to have an

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audience captured by who you actually are, right? Just be 100% your, your authentic self. So I think

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that's really, it's really insightful. And I think that one of the things that's cool about the

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podcast you're doing is that you ask questions when you don't understand something. You're like,

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Hey, I, whatever you just said, I don't get it. Stop, spell it out, say it backwards or upside

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down because i don't understand so sometimes i do ask questions i know the answer to as well but i

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sometimes i think oh does the audience not know the answer to that please explain that

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and yeah but also that is also my cover for when i'm being a dumbass and i don't know the

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i'm just thinking of the audience um so another thing another thing i wanted to ask you about was

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um so that birthday party i told you about i go and i go to make this i go to make this uh

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invitation. I was going to use Jatchi PT. And I'd gone down there. I joined this yoga studio.

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Of course, it's a yoga studio. So it's me and like 28 hot girls. And that was a great way to

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introduce yourself to a town. So all of my friends were at my buddy, who's now my podcast host,

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and then like 28 really hot girls. And we're like, we're going to throw this party. And I told

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chatgy pee. I said, make an image of fit and beautiful, diverse people of all like 20 to 40.

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And it comes back. It's like, I can't do that. That violates my restrictions. Like if I say

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something's beautiful, that means that somebody might get their feelings hurt. It's like, okay,

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rewrite my prompt in a way that doesn't violate your stupid restrictions. So rewrite it. I put it

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on. It's like, nope, sorry. Still can't do it. Just finally gave, gave up, like said, screw this.

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so you recently tweeted a uh you reposted something that chat gpt there was news about

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chat gpt trying to clone itself onto external servers which is concerning enough but even more

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concerning is that when it got caught and it got confronted it tried to lie its way out of it

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yeah although it turns out that it was a simulation they were running okay yeah i got community noted

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on that oh she got now okay well okay assume this is true or assume assume a scenario like

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but they're running the the scenario for a reason yes to see what the response is yeah so

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your your comment was we're cooked like you know so it's kind of a two-part question one is that

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i look at a i look at a model like that chat gpt where it like it won't let me put beautiful people

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in a picture because that would hurt ugly people's feeling. And also, hey, it may try and go out and

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do some wild stuff. I look at that as like a very unuseful tool, like as though it was a pocket

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knife, but every fifth time you tried to cut something, it lectured you about diversity

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instead of cutting it. And I look around and I'm like, tools generally don't get popular

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if they don't do the job every time.

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And so I wonder, A, do you think that we'll see models converge

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to more truth-seeking because of the not-usefulness of having a bias?

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And B, being the character in this story, this is your story now.

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So what would the evidence need to be to convince you otherwise?

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Or how are you checking yourself, I guess, against kind of the AI doomer thing?

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yeah uh have you seen grok in the last 24 hours they've made some change this morning yeah it's

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been savage yeah yeah it's been on twitter it's been answering things in a really savage way um

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can i answer a different question you can yeah you can answer the question and i think about it a lot

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but i'm thinking about something different with ai what i'm somebody okay so i read a thing

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recently which said ai is making us dumber they've run a study and because we're using ai to do the

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research come up with the answers we're not doing the reading not formulating the answers we're not

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using our brain we're not remembering things so we've outsourced our thinking and productivity

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and output to ai so we're making ourselves dumber i was like yeah okay that's probably true if i'm

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not reading a book i'm not gonna remember it okay and then i saw a another tweet somebody put out

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where a company had 1,000 customer service agents,

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and they were using them to train the AI to do customer service

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and then let the 1,000 people go.

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And I was like, yes.

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So at the moment, every one of us using AI is making AI stronger

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whilst making ourselves weaker.

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But the problem is the incentive models means if you don't use AI

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in this market at the moment, you're less competitive.

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So the company using AI agents for customer service versus using people are going to be more profitable.

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And therefore, it might be terminal for those not using it.

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So AI is inevitable.

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The AI growth and evolution of the models is accelerating.

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And so I'm spending a lot of time thinking about what does that mean?

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Yeah. And it's like, what does it mean in the next year? What's it mean?

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Next five years? What's it mean? It's 50 years. Uh,

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50 years doesn't really matter for me. I mean, if I'm for some reason,

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I mean, what would that make me? 96, I'm probably dead.

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You'll be around. You'll be around. But, um, you know, there is,

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there is near term, um,

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acceptance that the world is going to change.

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There is midterm and I say mid being five years.

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where the significant change has happened.

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And then there's long-term where it's like,

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I don't know what the fuck's going on.

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So near-term, it's like, how do you plan for a world

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that you don't know what it's going to look like,

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but you know it's going to be different?

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And I feel very sorry for...

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There are people who are at university now.

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By the time they finish their degree, their job won't exist.

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And I don't know what skills the world's going to want in five years.

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if you're a musician

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you're fine because you want to go and watch a band

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on stage. I think people still want to do

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those real life experiences like comedy

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sports

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if you're a tour guide

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I don't want a tour guide to be a robot

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I didn't want to play chess against the robot

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I want the human experience

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so I think a lot of

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jobs will be in the human experience

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and that's cool

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but enough people

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are going to be able to earn enough money

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or are we just going to have a shift?

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Are we going to have this like hugely,

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like Ray Dalio says,

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we're going to go through a hugely deflationary period.

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Everything's going to break.

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The money's going to break.

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Interest rate's going to break.

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Financial model's going to break.

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And how do we reorganize?

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Do we reorganize through war?

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Do we reorganize through anarchy?

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Do we just live in a more dangerous, crazy world?

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Again, I don't know the answers,

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but I'm trying to think about what that means.

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And then there's just the super long-term sci-fi crazy shit

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in that are we governed by robots?

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Are we governed by AI?

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Do we get to the point where Neuralink connects to AI

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and then suddenly you're in the film Limitless

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and you can know anything?

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Now, that one I don't like.

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If you can know anything and have all expertise,

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everyone can know everything.

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So where is the human experience?

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Because the human experience is in our differences.

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It's you from a farm in Kansas

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and me from a small town in Bedford

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who maybe like some similar music and connected because of Bitcoin,

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but we can learn different things.

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Maybe you learned a bit about podcasting from me.

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Maybe I learned a bit about training from you.

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And we get in some deep conversations.

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We get philosophical about things.

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We talk about things.

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And the world gets slightly better for us.

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How does that work in a world where you have a Neuralink, I have a Neuralink,

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we can know all about everything?

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I think it's almost like if it was a computer game, you've completed the game because there's nothing more you can do.

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And so where does the joy in life then come from?

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It's probably only hedonistic experiences.

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I can't think anything else where joy comes from because the joy is in progression in life.

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And progression changes.

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starting a podcast, the joy is in getting the next big guest.

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It's Charlie Lee coming on or Jameson Lopp or getting the president

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or you get 100,000 subscribers and you get a sponsor

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and it now pays for itself.

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It's the progression, right?

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And then life progression is I don't need to do that anymore.

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I can go back and create a football club.

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And all through that, you're kind of gaining knowledge

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and growing as a human.

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I'm now looking down at 50.

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I'm three years away and I'm reading a lot more.

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and I'm choosing to work less, and that's progression.

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I'm trying to shape the world for my kids.

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That's progression.

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But in a world where everyone can know everything all the time,

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where is the progression?

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Will companies be the way, or will all companies be automated?

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If I'm, you know, when I want to come out to the here,

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I've got to look for my flights.

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I've got to look for my car.

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I've got to get it all booked.

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If I can just go to an AI, I want to be here at this time.

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It's all done.

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and I just turn up.

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It's a bit like that film Wall-E, right?

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There's no progression in the human experience

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because the human experience is

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you're given infinite progression

457
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:31,340
at the point you want it.

458
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:32,500
So I think about that.

459
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,080
I then think about,

460
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,460
I think a lot of the sci-fi

461
00:28:36,460 --> 00:28:38,240
always comes true.

462
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,140
I saw yesterday,

463
00:28:40,340 --> 00:28:41,520
like the Chinese have rolled out

464
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,160
this like hamster police robot thing

465
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,240
and I just saw immediately,

466
00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:45,880
my son showed me,

467
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:46,700
I was like, Robocop.

468
00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:50,660
and I can see a world of Terminator.

469
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,840
I can see, but I don't see it just like Terminator,

470
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,060
like robots would get,

471
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,880
but I do see a backlash against AI,

472
00:28:58,540 --> 00:29:00,140
which will be a backlash against government.

473
00:29:01,300 --> 00:29:03,880
If we see, I mean, certain industries we're seeing already,

474
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,820
the creative industry is under strain.

475
00:29:07,020 --> 00:29:10,340
If you were a copywriter, you've lost work to AI.

476
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,380
Because I can go on to AI and I can say,

477
00:29:13,380 --> 00:29:15,660
write me a manifesto for Bedford

478
00:29:15,660 --> 00:29:16,780
in the voice of

479
00:29:16,780 --> 00:29:19,440
George Washington

480
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,980
it's good

481
00:29:21,980 --> 00:29:23,760
I can say

482
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:24,540
write me

483
00:29:24,540 --> 00:29:27,960
an advertising copy

484
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,320
for my new whiskey brand

485
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,160
sound a bit like Jack Daniels but British

486
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,260
here it is

487
00:29:32,260 --> 00:29:33,900
so copywriters are done

488
00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:35,820
designers are done

489
00:29:35,820 --> 00:29:38,600
because you can now just go to Mid Journey

490
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:39,600
and say design me a concept

491
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,900
but concepts all the front covers for our Royal Bedford magazines

492
00:29:41,900 --> 00:29:42,720
is all for mid-journey.

493
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:43,860
I don't need a designer.

494
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,280
But more, I can vibe code the website.

495
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:47,780
I can vibe code the app.

496
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,020
If you're at university now in your first or second year

497
00:29:52,020 --> 00:29:53,260
and you're learning computer programming,

498
00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:57,840
every professor has a moral duty to go and say,

499
00:29:58,140 --> 00:29:59,160
this course is now pointless.

500
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,920
Computer coding isn't about learning the code.

501
00:30:01,980 --> 00:30:02,780
You don't need to know anymore.

502
00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:05,580
It's about using the prompts and the tools to do it.

503
00:30:07,620 --> 00:30:11,040
So I think about all these jobs that are going to go,

504
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,000
and whilst we're going to have more productivity through AI,

505
00:30:15,420 --> 00:30:18,040
it's going to be concentrated wealth into the investors

506
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,040
and the owners and the creators of the AI companies.

507
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:21,940
What does that mean?

508
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,460
Are we going to see massive amounts of unemployment?

509
00:30:26,460 --> 00:30:30,140
If we do, we will naturally see people.

510
00:30:31,020 --> 00:30:32,200
We'll see civil disobedience.

511
00:30:32,340 --> 00:30:33,160
We'll see protests.

512
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:37,200
Hollywood is no doubt going to have a right to strike

513
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,480
to protect extras and people's jobs.

514
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:46,860
And that will do a limited job because filmmaking will just go to territories which don't have that.

515
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,500
Will we see big boycotts of AI?

516
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:56,000
Will we see – I mean, it's just – we've gone through – there's a really great book called Engines That Move Markets.

517
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:10,600
And it talks about the invention of the railroad and what that meant for transportation and the invention of the telephone and what that meant for communications and the invention of the – I think it was the light bulb and what that meant for life.

518
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,480
that at night you could have life.

519
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:17,180
And I think about the additional chapters that would go in there.

520
00:31:17,340 --> 00:31:19,160
Bitcoin would be one.

521
00:31:20,260 --> 00:31:21,060
AI would be one.

522
00:31:21,140 --> 00:31:22,220
I wonder what comes after AI.

523
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,200
Is AI the final revolution?

524
00:31:25,380 --> 00:31:25,720
Is it the era?

525
00:31:25,860 --> 00:31:27,140
Or do we have the space revolution?

526
00:31:27,340 --> 00:31:28,340
Do we have the quantum revolution?

527
00:31:28,660 --> 00:31:29,480
Biomedical, probably.

528
00:31:29,620 --> 00:31:29,820
Yeah.

529
00:31:29,820 --> 00:31:30,440
Something like that.

530
00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:31,280
Yeah, space.

531
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,260
But AI, all of these are upstream.

532
00:31:36,740 --> 00:31:39,420
I kind of think they're kind of downstream from AI.

533
00:31:39,420 --> 00:31:41,240
because I don't think

534
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,160
I don't know if humans go into space

535
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,540
I think it might be robots

536
00:31:44,540 --> 00:31:46,780
but the AI

537
00:31:46,780 --> 00:31:49,200
is happening so fast

538
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,620
we haven't got time to adjust

539
00:31:50,620 --> 00:31:53,460
with a railroad you have to build a railroad

540
00:31:53,460 --> 00:31:55,720
it might take a year to connect

541
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,540
two towns and suddenly those towns

542
00:31:57,540 --> 00:31:59,140
their market would

543
00:31:59,140 --> 00:32:01,400
adjust because you could take product

544
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,260
from one to the other and it would be growth

545
00:32:03,260 --> 00:32:04,920
it would be a new opportunity

546
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,580
and I don't know what it took

547
00:32:07,580 --> 00:32:13,280
decades for us to have a mass amount of railroads and we could adjust.

548
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:19,040
Same with telephony. How many years did it take for the whole nation to be connected?

549
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:25,400
But this is going to happen so quick and the productivity gains

550
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:31,360
won't be spread evenly. It won't be spread well. It'll be

551
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:37,560
highly concentrated. And so I just think a lot about what this all means and what

552
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:43,640
going to happen and there's doom scenarios and there's opt yeah there's like optimistic scenarios

553
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:51,820
but i'm consuming everything i can all the time to make sure i i can at least be prepared for it

554
00:32:51,820 --> 00:32:56,980
both for myself and my children but there are doom scenarios we need to talk about

555
00:32:56,980 --> 00:33:02,440
not just the ai killing us the complete and utter fracture in a society

556
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:10,060
it's a long answer yeah what do you think the fourth turning thing you know the rise of populism

557
00:33:10,060 --> 00:33:15,440
and i think but i think by the way the fourth turning was happening anyway with ai right without

558
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:23,660
it's just it's field of the fire right it's a turbocharger um what do you think so i think

559
00:33:23,660 --> 00:33:29,420
a couple different things so i think that the new technology that we have is going to allow us to

560
00:33:29,420 --> 00:33:39,100
no longer have to rely on other places for things. So I think that one of the most

561
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:45,260
under-talked about things about Bitcoin is the ability to load level on energy grids,

562
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:53,000
where what's happening right now is that you have ability for peak capacity.

563
00:33:53,000 --> 00:34:00,220
and when you're not using it you're at baseload and there's a lot of times a lot of wasted energy

564
00:34:00,220 --> 00:34:05,180
that just gets spent throughout the system and flushed because you don't have the demand for it

565
00:34:05,180 --> 00:34:12,120
but you have to have the ability to go to peak demand and being able to take that excess stranded

566
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:19,200
or wasted energy and turn it into a valuable capital resource that allows you to build a grid

567
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,480
towards maximum capacity and greater and greater.

568
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:22,880
Okay.

569
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,920
So then if you do that, you've got a Bitcoin treasury that's given you some wealth.

570
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:33,520
You're able to build out local infrastructure instead of relying on global stuff.

571
00:34:34,220 --> 00:34:39,360
Like in the States, the average food product travels like 1600 miles to get to somebody.

572
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,820
And it doesn't have to be like that.

573
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:42,280
Yeah.

574
00:34:42,380 --> 00:34:45,680
Like it doesn't have to be like that, but everything's produced in the middle and sent

575
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,540
to the coast and all the fruits produced on the coast and sent to the middle.

576
00:34:48,540 --> 00:34:54,920
you know all the and and and i you know i grew up in kansas i that's exactly what it is everything

577
00:34:54,920 --> 00:35:00,680
leaves all of our food comes from all of our stuff at the grocery store either comes from

578
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:07,660
local meat or it's potatoes from idaho oranges from florida you know apples from washington

579
00:35:07,660 --> 00:35:16,740
um so i think that you're going to see a resurgence of more local um type production of not just food

580
00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:23,400
but kind of the entire infrastructure being changed out so that it's more compact.

581
00:35:23,580 --> 00:35:27,460
And I actually think that that lowers the chance.

582
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,320
We're still going to have these conflicts.

583
00:35:30,460 --> 00:35:34,280
We're still going to have these small scale skirmishes and people just don't get along.

584
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,800
But I think it lowers that because you're just more self-sufficient.

585
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,060
Like why do people go to war?

586
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,540
Typically they go to war because they're out of resources,

587
00:35:42,540 --> 00:35:45,360
but they got a big stick and they want to go hit.

588
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,860
They're like, hey, if we hit you with our stick, we can take your shit.

589
00:35:49,220 --> 00:36:03,140
But now if you don have the need I think that lowers it down um i i do i i teeter on it because i see the capabilities of

590
00:36:03,140 --> 00:36:11,020
ai as being far beyond and above anything that humans are capable but for still haven't figured

591
00:36:11,020 --> 00:36:15,680
out where the soul comes from and i don't know if you can put a soul in a machine you talk to a guy

592
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:21,760
with a hot rod and he says that there's a there's a soul in that 67 camaro yeah you know but is it

593
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:27,200
true so i don't i don't know um i'm kind of like you where i can't i can't see more than

594
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:33,580
i can't see more than like five years out and i think five years out is just everything is

595
00:36:33,580 --> 00:36:39,400
different yeah it's it's a just because of the speed of change if you're using chat gpt and

596
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:45,880
mid-journey you're you can't help but notice the change and one of the big changes i saw recently

597
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:53,520
in chat gpt is when i use it all the time where it went from uh just answering my prompts to

598
00:36:53,520 --> 00:37:01,780
taking uh um context from all my previous prompts yes yeah to feedback to this yes and so there was

599
00:37:01,780 --> 00:37:07,680
a thing where i was talking about um you know how do i try and fix my town of bedford and it kind of

600
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,980
came back and said look you're already doing this you've got the football club you've got this

601
00:37:10,980 --> 00:37:14,900
you're thinking about these things it was this whole new thing where it's like oh you get me now

602
00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:15,840
You understand me.

603
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:16,840
You understand what I'm trying to do.

604
00:37:17,060 --> 00:37:18,140
That was a big change.

605
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:19,620
That was a big change.

606
00:37:20,020 --> 00:37:24,320
And by the way, every time I try and get ChatGPT to do something new, it always performs.

607
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:30,900
Like I just – I put in the sales for the first two months from my coffee shop as a spreadsheet.

608
00:37:31,060 --> 00:37:32,500
I said, just take a look at this.

609
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:33,160
Tell me what you think.

610
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:41,760
Came back with all these kind of – this analysis of the data, what we're selling, our margins, time of day.

611
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,440
And then it said, do you want some recommendations?

612
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,320
I'm like, yeah.

613
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,460
so well you need more people through the door

614
00:37:46,460 --> 00:37:48,520
you know your gross profit's fine

615
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,660
like do you want to come up

616
00:37:50,660 --> 00:37:51,740
some ideas I'm like yeah

617
00:37:51,740 --> 00:37:54,460
and it just I mean this is great

618
00:37:54,460 --> 00:37:56,540
to me this is good AI this is you

619
00:37:56,540 --> 00:37:58,520
taking your current business and you make it

620
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,480
more productive it's coming up with ideas

621
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,280
it's solving things I love this

622
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:03,500
this is great

623
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:06,560
but that's

624
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,480
now and it's

625
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,340
what is it capable of in five years

626
00:38:10,340 --> 00:38:12,340
and who do we not need because of that

627
00:38:12,340 --> 00:38:16,380
what does it do to the legal profession?

628
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:17,540
What does it do to marketing?

629
00:38:18,140 --> 00:38:21,140
It may be that we just decentralize the world more.

630
00:38:21,260 --> 00:38:23,880
It may be that rather than having lots of big companies,

631
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,160
we don't need big companies,

632
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,360
so maybe on infrastructure, on hotels,

633
00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:30,780
but we don't need big marketing companies anymore

634
00:38:30,780 --> 00:38:35,240
and we'll have a million marketeers in the UK

635
00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:39,240
all providing different services to the individual.

636
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:39,960
I don't know.

637
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,620
even Ray Dalio said I don't know

638
00:38:42,620 --> 00:38:43,960
I can just

639
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,480
try and plan for outcomes

640
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,760
it's really hard to know

641
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,820
but I am

642
00:38:51,820 --> 00:38:54,200
my concerns lie with

643
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,600
the people I worry about most

644
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:57,960
are

645
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,400
probably someone's 40 years old

646
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,340
they've worked for

647
00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:03,660
20 years in an industry

648
00:39:03,660 --> 00:39:06,000
they're making 80 grand a year

649
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,720
100 grand a year they've got their house

650
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:08,700
everything's good

651
00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:12,000
and their entire industry is going to get wiped out.

652
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,180
And they're leveraged to the hill.

653
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:14,180
They're leveraged to the hill.

654
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,640
They've got a $600,000 mortgage and two car payments.

655
00:39:16,860 --> 00:39:18,680
And they only know one thing, to do one thing.

656
00:39:18,820 --> 00:39:18,960
Yep.

657
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,140
And you can retrain them.

658
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,960
What can you retrain to have 20 years of knowledge or straight away?

659
00:39:24,060 --> 00:39:28,140
It's going to be something that's lower, that's more like go dig that ditch

660
00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:31,000
because we haven't gotten a robot to figure out how to do that yet.

661
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:31,320
Yep.

662
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,780
You can't go be a lawyer because that's gone.

663
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,220
Maybe you're going to be a teacher.

664
00:39:35,220 --> 00:39:36,160
That's one thing.

665
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,720
But you're not, you know, you're 80 to 100K.

666
00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:42,160
You might be a two-salary household, both at risk.

667
00:39:43,780 --> 00:39:45,120
That's who I worry about most.

668
00:39:46,060 --> 00:39:50,260
I worry less around the 50-year-old because, I mean, I'm near 50,

669
00:39:50,340 --> 00:39:53,160
and it's like, oh, have I saved enough?

670
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,120
I've probably saved enough.

671
00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:56,000
I can just, and this is not every 50-year-old.

672
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:56,880
I'm generalizing here.

673
00:39:56,940 --> 00:40:02,200
But, like, you can go, can I just kind of, like, edge towards retirement?

674
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:03,820
Yeah, limp across the finish line.

675
00:40:03,820 --> 00:40:06,060
Yeah, limp across the finish line, and it will be what it will be.

676
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,000
I might not have the best healthcare, but I've had a good life.

677
00:40:10,660 --> 00:40:15,200
I worry less around the 30-year-old because they maybe don't even own a home.

678
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,960
Maybe they still haven't had a chance to get in debt.

679
00:40:18,460 --> 00:40:20,080
That's a really good point, actually.

680
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,820
That may be the saving grace for so many people,

681
00:40:22,940 --> 00:40:26,880
that they just are so priced out of this market that they can't participate.

682
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:30,140
The 20-year-old, like my son, I don't worry about as much

683
00:40:30,140 --> 00:40:34,200
because he's got choices and options, still lives with dad and figure it out.

684
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,760
but then I worry a little bit more about the 15 year old like my daughter or the 14 year old who's

685
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:44,420
tomorrow is going to have a careers session at the school and the careers advisor is no way as deep

686
00:40:44,420 --> 00:40:48,060
down this rabbit hole as I am they're not thinking about as I am they might be sat there with a

687
00:40:48,060 --> 00:40:52,460
computer answering questions said yeah you should go and work into marketing here's a marketing

688
00:40:52,460 --> 00:40:56,180
degree and it's just like no that's a terrible fucking idea because that job's not going to exist

689
00:40:56,180 --> 00:41:03,020
and it's six years away and blah blah blah and so I think we've really got I mean the whole

690
00:41:03,020 --> 00:41:09,140
education system is going to have to change. And I don't think the education from five to like 10,

691
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:16,640
11, because just get the basics. People, kids should know math, English. Despite having super

692
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,620
computers, we still need to, we still need our brains to know how to compute. You should still

693
00:41:20,620 --> 00:41:24,300
learn languages, even though you can have auto translation, you should train the brain.

694
00:41:24,780 --> 00:41:32,120
But from like 11, 12 to 18, that's prep for life. And I think what are the skills that kids will need

695
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,640
to be prepared for life.

696
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:35,120
And it is critical thinking.

697
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,480
It is diving deep in economic theory.

698
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,440
It's diving deep into philosophy, into the arts,

699
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:49,780
into those things that just train the brain to be a brain that can prompt,

700
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,620
to be a brain that can create, to be a brain that can think.

701
00:41:53,180 --> 00:41:55,160
And that's why I think a lot about my daughter right now.

702
00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:59,640
We're not at that stage anywhere where you learn a skill.

703
00:42:00,580 --> 00:42:01,620
There's some exceptions.

704
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:09,680
If you're going to be a doctor, and I don't believe we'll outsource all our medical guidance to AI.

705
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:11,460
I think you will always want a doctor on the side.

706
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:14,140
But if you're going to be a doctor, you need to go to university for seven years and train.

707
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:14,880
I get that.

708
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,260
If you want to be an engineer, you want to go to university.

709
00:42:19,420 --> 00:42:20,460
It's a good thing, right?

710
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,300
We still need math experts.

711
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:23,600
You should go to university for that.

712
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:32,460
But all these bullshit degrees, which are about specific careers, I think they're just a waste of time now.

713
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,300
But I just don't know the shape of the world.

714
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:39,560
It's wild.

715
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:40,900
It's weird.

716
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:47,600
It also makes me think that we are in the simulation because essentially…

717
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:53,320
Housekeeping.

718
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:59,400
The universe is approximately 13.8 billion years old.

719
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,880
The series of events that had happened for you and I to be sat here

720
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,580
are so infinitely wild and so infinitely,

721
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,560
like the probability is so small it shouldn't have happened,

722
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:20,060
in that I had to decide to come to Singapore school when you were here.

723
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:20,680
Yes.

724
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:22,100
Yes.

725
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:26,240
I had to have had created a podcast that you became aware of to know to come and say hello.

726
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:27,040
Okay, there's that.

727
00:43:27,540 --> 00:43:28,820
But then you can go back to –

728
00:43:28,820 --> 00:43:30,820
You had to be in the gym when I was in the sauna.

729
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:31,360
Yes.

730
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:32,900
Which was a weird time.

731
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:33,120
Yeah.

732
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,880
But then you go back and you go, well, you had to make all the life choices that you made to get here and I did.

733
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,700
But then your parents had to meet at that time and procreate at that time to create you.

734
00:43:42,860 --> 00:43:45,640
And then you go through all the parents that made that happen.

735
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:53,340
And then you go through the entire evolution from this first life forms under the ocean.

736
00:43:54,380 --> 00:43:56,000
And we should not exist.

737
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,460
One thing along that means we doesn't exist.

738
00:43:58,860 --> 00:44:01,820
My conclusion to that has always been, well, we've always existed.

739
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:03,680
Okay.

740
00:44:04,540 --> 00:44:11,000
And also, we're not living in the 1700s or 1000 BC.

741
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,240
we're living in 2025

742
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:15,380
and we're about

743
00:44:15,380 --> 00:44:16,860
we're about to

744
00:44:16,860 --> 00:44:18,520
we're going to live through probably

745
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,900
the arrival of the singularity

746
00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:23,220
in that we will have quantum

747
00:44:23,220 --> 00:44:24,500
AI

748
00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:26,560
fusion

749
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,920
like every single technology

750
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,980
advancement will happen in our time and we will see what the

751
00:44:30,980 --> 00:44:31,960
singularity will bring

752
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,780
and for that

753
00:44:34,780 --> 00:44:36,940
you know I say 13.8 billion

754
00:44:36,940 --> 00:44:38,840
I get to live at that moment

755
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,420
yeah fuck off come on why

756
00:44:40,420 --> 00:44:44,560
why do we get to live at that moment so i believe we all get to live at a moment

757
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:50,700
because we are all the same and it's just a simulation i'm i mean like i'm fully in simulation

758
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:57,460
the oneness yeah no i just am i just yeah the the math checks out that makes a lot of do you know

759
00:44:57,460 --> 00:45:02,100
who uh do you know steven c myers guy that wrote the god hypothesis and he's written a bunch of

760
00:45:02,100 --> 00:45:09,460
stuff about like there being a intelligent creator and then basically trying to he basically like

761
00:45:09,460 --> 00:45:13,740
compares DNA to code and says, look, it's just computer code.

762
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,480
It's just better than our code.

763
00:45:15,740 --> 00:45:17,800
Just more elegant computer code than we have.

764
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,780
And by the way, it kind of makes sense that if there was a God,

765
00:45:21,860 --> 00:45:24,260
that he would create us in his image because look what we do.

766
00:45:24,540 --> 00:45:26,640
We made robots and they look like us.

767
00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:28,340
Also, quantum.

768
00:45:29,020 --> 00:45:29,880
Quantum's weird.

769
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:30,320
Yes.

770
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,400
The quantum world is super.

771
00:45:32,620 --> 00:45:33,960
I mean, what is Spinesan said?

772
00:45:34,140 --> 00:45:35,320
It's spooky.

773
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:36,720
Spooky.

774
00:45:36,940 --> 00:45:37,140
Yeah.

775
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,280
Something at a distance.

776
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:38,920
Yes.

777
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:39,240
Yes.

778
00:45:39,460 --> 00:45:44,760
that there can be two connected particles at different lengths of the universe that are connected.

779
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,700
That, to me, is a computer program.

780
00:45:49,100 --> 00:45:49,200
Yep.

781
00:45:49,820 --> 00:45:51,180
Quantum is a computer program.

782
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:51,420
Yep.

783
00:45:51,700 --> 00:45:54,420
That something, when you observe, it changes.

784
00:45:55,420 --> 00:45:58,100
It's a bit like, you know when you play Grand Theft Auto?

785
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,580
The world is built for you as you go, but the entire world doesn't exist at the same time.

786
00:46:02,940 --> 00:46:03,180
Yes.

787
00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:06,540
We can see this world, but beyond those trees, it doesn't exist.

788
00:46:06,540 --> 00:46:14,620
but as you drive over those trees it exists that's essentially what quantum is and so

789
00:46:14,620 --> 00:46:20,920
does the world exist back home at the moment or will it exist on the other side of that door

790
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:26,620
yeah right like it might exist when i open it yeah um now actually i do believe it all exists

791
00:46:26,620 --> 00:46:32,000
at the same time because i can call my door and maybe we aren't in simulation but but maybe we are

792
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:37,980
the math checks out the math checks out you know the the hypothesis that if you can create

793
00:46:37,980 --> 00:46:44,100
fortnight how many fortnight worlds are spun up every day millions by kids all around the world

794
00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:49,440
constantly millions and millions and millions so the thesis does play out computers advance

795
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:55,180
thousand years from now you could recreate this so why wouldn't you create this i always i always

796
00:46:55,180 --> 00:47:00,040
fuck my son with this one because he blows his mind i was like do you know the best thing about

797
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,260
simulation theory.

798
00:47:02,420 --> 00:47:05,380
It's like, well, yesterday might not have happened.

799
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:07,240
It's like, well, no, it did.

800
00:47:07,380 --> 00:47:08,420
I was like, no, but it might not have.

801
00:47:08,500 --> 00:47:09,660
He's like, what do you mean it might not have?

802
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:09,980
It did.

803
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:10,400
I was there.

804
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,220
I was like, you think you were there,

805
00:47:12,620 --> 00:47:13,740
but you might have woke up today,

806
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:14,940
and today is the start of the simulation.

807
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,440
And everything that you think happened

808
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,900
is just programmed into what's happened.

809
00:47:19,980 --> 00:47:21,120
He's like, fuck off, Dad.

810
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:22,980
I don't know, man.

811
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:25,820
There's a lot of weird stuff to think about.

812
00:47:25,820 --> 00:47:27,920
I also think sometimes you can get drawn into the thing about

813
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,020
these weird theses and fall for them and actually we are just in this random

814
00:47:32,020 --> 00:47:40,300
ball of mud spinning around a hot nuclear reactor i think both can be true yeah i think i i really

815
00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:44,280
do think both can be true like it you can sit there and you can spin out thinking about all

816
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:50,360
that stuff like every corner i turn there's a million hollywood people just resetting the set

817
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:55,880
and all of a sudden they disappear like the true show and uh or it could just be that you know what

818
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:03,540
I really need to do is just go down to the gym, do bench press, not worry about shit. And things

819
00:48:03,540 --> 00:48:08,960
are going to be better that way. You know, it's Yeah, it throws you for especially when you're

820
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:13,320
like me, I can grew up on this little farm, I thought I was just this tiny little person

821
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:20,360
in this giant world, thought I would never matter not be significant at all. And then to come and

822
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,420
and be like, you know, I think I'm just like everybody else.

823
00:48:24,420 --> 00:48:27,780
I'm pretty sure that we only differentiate ourselves

824
00:48:27,780 --> 00:48:29,080
off the choices that we make,

825
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,200
which is basically like the moves that you play in the game.

826
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:34,420
I don't know.

827
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,120
So there's some good players out there.

828
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:37,620
Yeah, I don't know.

829
00:48:38,460 --> 00:48:40,680
The older I get, the more introverted I get,

830
00:48:40,780 --> 00:48:41,520
and the less I care.

831
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:41,900
Yep.

832
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:43,820
I just don't care.

833
00:48:43,820 --> 00:48:49,220
I just want to, because you don't,

834
00:48:49,220 --> 00:48:54,200
I don't know if I'll die in an hour, a day, a year, 10 years, 30 years.

835
00:48:55,220 --> 00:48:57,320
And I just don't want to let too much self-stress anymore.

836
00:48:57,580 --> 00:48:58,980
I've had stressful periods in my life.

837
00:48:59,020 --> 00:49:00,180
I just don't want to stress anymore.

838
00:49:00,180 --> 00:49:12,000
I just want to enjoy my time and try and leave every bit of the world that I touch a bit better than it was before.

839
00:49:12,860 --> 00:49:15,380
So if someone's getting stressed, just try and say it doesn't matter.

840
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,340
Like my son, he can get really angry over the littlest things.

841
00:49:18,340 --> 00:49:20,200
I'm like, Connor, it doesn't matter.

842
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:21,520
These things don't matter.

843
00:49:23,300 --> 00:49:24,340
But yeah, I'm just...

844
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,580
Here we are, man.

845
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,100
A lot of people don't get to do stuff like this.

846
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:31,800
We're very fortunate.

847
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,520
By the way, did I say this?

848
00:49:34,620 --> 00:49:35,800
Have you watched The Last of Us?

849
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,700
No, but you're the fourth person in the last day to mention that.

850
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:41,820
I feel like I'm on the set of The Last of Us.

851
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:43,020
It's wild.

852
00:49:43,020 --> 00:49:47,000
I have the saying that nobody moves to an empty hotel on a fake island

853
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,340
in a ghost city with a real billionaire trying to restart society

854
00:49:51,340 --> 00:49:54,620
because they're on a consecutive streak of perfect decisions.

855
00:49:56,540 --> 00:49:58,360
They're like, you do.

856
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,000
You just got to look around and be like,

857
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,120
I don't know how I ended up here, but it's not bad.

858
00:50:04,740 --> 00:50:07,480
When we first got here, me and Connor were like,

859
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,580
because we turned up and we're like, this is weird.

860
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:11,460
Why are we here?

861
00:50:13,260 --> 00:50:14,740
I think we fucked up.

862
00:50:14,740 --> 00:50:20,980
i had the same thought when i came here yeah and now we're three days in i'm like one i don't want

863
00:50:20,980 --> 00:50:26,900
to go to one when i come back yep and i just want to come and have a month here and just reset every

864
00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:31,580
part of me i can't because i've got too much work to do but i i would like to but it does feel like

865
00:50:31,580 --> 00:50:36,760
the set of the last of us i could totally see zombies running around yeah the first thing i did

866
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:41,620
when i they put me they asked me to run man camp was uh i tried to figure out how we could get

867
00:50:41,620 --> 00:50:43,120
paintball guns so we could have war games.

868
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:44,480
I was like, this would be

869
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:45,480
perfect.

870
00:50:46,300 --> 00:50:48,960
It's 100 people, a team, across the island.

871
00:50:49,260 --> 00:50:51,140
Yep. Just go after it.

872
00:50:52,060 --> 00:50:53,220
Let's see. Do you mind if I

873
00:50:53,220 --> 00:50:54,080
got a couple more?

874
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:56,840
What else do we have here?

875
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:57,720
Oh, okay.

876
00:50:59,180 --> 00:51:00,840
Wealth. You've built some.

877
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:02,040
You have

878
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,100
something to take care of. You have

879
00:51:05,100 --> 00:51:06,000
something to look after.

880
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:08,860
One of the advertisements on your podcast

881
00:51:08,860 --> 00:51:10,620
is a Bitcoin inheritance company.

882
00:51:11,620 --> 00:51:23,820
When I met you, you talked about how you're bringing your son along on these trips now because you realize that due to his position of being your son, he's likely to come into some wealth.

883
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:32,100
And you want him to be prepared and armed for that world so that he does well with it.

884
00:51:32,940 --> 00:51:37,520
So when you think about Connor, what do you want for him in life?

885
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:45,440
where like if if you were to like which you're looking at all these different scenarios and all

886
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:51,620
these different trails all these different routes and you're like i wish he'd go down that one i you

887
00:51:51,620 --> 00:51:56,040
know obviously you're not going to push him or anything but you're like if he went that way that

888
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:03,620
would make me feel like he has the best chance of being very living a good life yeah whatever

889
00:52:03,620 --> 00:52:04,900
whatever that means.

890
00:52:05,340 --> 00:52:06,780
No, so I don't think about it like that.

891
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,520
I don't think about

892
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,320
the route I want to push him down.

893
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:12,680
Yeah.

894
00:52:13,260 --> 00:52:15,180
I think more about

895
00:52:15,180 --> 00:52:16,760
him seeing enough routes

896
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,100
to find the one he wants to go down.

897
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:18,560
Yeah.

898
00:52:19,420 --> 00:52:20,520
Look, he's

899
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,900
he's fortunate in many ways

900
00:52:22,900 --> 00:52:24,940
because he's 21 years old

901
00:52:24,940 --> 00:52:26,200
and this year he's been to New York

902
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:27,840
at a board meeting with the Winklevoss.

903
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,360
Now he's here in

904
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,840
Malaysia seeing this project.

905
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,160
He's fortunate to see those things.

906
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,200
But at the same time, we're not the same person at all.

907
00:52:40,940 --> 00:52:43,900
He's not as intense as I am.

908
00:52:43,940 --> 00:52:45,500
He doesn't work as hard as I do.

909
00:52:46,180 --> 00:52:47,660
Although he's working harder these days,

910
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,740
but he's just not dialed into the same things I am for the same reasons.

911
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,340
And so you can't make your child become you.

912
00:52:57,460 --> 00:53:00,100
They either become similar because they want to,

913
00:53:00,540 --> 00:53:01,640
or they just turn their own way out.

914
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:06,680
You know, some super successful smart people have degenerate kids who become drug addicts.

915
00:53:06,980 --> 00:53:10,460
Some super degenerate parents who are drug addicts have kids who become super successful.

916
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,020
Like any scenario is possible.

917
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:18,600
I just want him to see, I want him to see enough to be able to find what is right for him.

918
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,720
And right now it's producing a podcast.

919
00:53:24,220 --> 00:53:27,180
What it will become in five, ten years, we don't know.

920
00:53:27,220 --> 00:53:28,340
Because again, the world is changing.

921
00:53:28,340 --> 00:53:37,080
um most i think i think most of all the things and the reason i take him everywhere with me

922
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:43,200
is i want him to meet as many people as possible experience as much as you can in life to shape

923
00:53:43,200 --> 00:54:08,560
uh a like an intelligent empathetic good human who able to make good decisions because there come a time when I don exist and almost certainly be before him and same with his sister and there will be an inheritance left and you know I not I not crazy wealthy bitcoiner but Connor might be one day because of the growth of bitcoin yeah

924
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:14,620
and it's understanding the responsibility for that we we don't live a wild life we have a nice house

925
00:54:14,620 --> 00:54:16,440
we go on holiday twice a year

926
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,920
but we don't live a crazy life

927
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,260
I'm in shorts and trainers

928
00:54:21,260 --> 00:54:22,140
and a deftone city

929
00:54:22,140 --> 00:54:25,940
and we give a lot of money away

930
00:54:25,940 --> 00:54:27,940
locally, we probably give away

931
00:54:27,940 --> 00:54:29,980
£150,000, £200,000 a year

932
00:54:29,980 --> 00:54:32,300
not just our wealth, we collect

933
00:54:32,300 --> 00:54:33,060
it in and

934
00:54:33,060 --> 00:54:35,100
we fund

935
00:54:35,100 --> 00:54:37,780
so we've just done

936
00:54:37,780 --> 00:54:39,240
for the football club a £25,000

937
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:41,360
to go up to local schools to buy football equipment

938
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,840
we've given £25,000 each

939
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:48,400
to do different youth football clubs to buy kit and equipment.

940
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,980
We have a fund we set up in Bedford where we've given away

941
00:54:51,980 --> 00:54:55,660
around 20, 25 grand a year to young kids who are exceptional

942
00:54:55,660 --> 00:54:57,960
at certain sports or want to set up a business.

943
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,080
And so that's the most important thing.

944
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:12,140
It's like altruistic behavior.

945
00:55:12,140 --> 00:55:21,460
and it's trying to help him understand that you can buy a Ferrari when I'm gone

946
00:55:21,460 --> 00:55:27,200
or for the cost of that Ferrari, you can change 20 kids' lives

947
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,940
by funding them 15,000 pounds to start a business or whatever.

948
00:55:31,820 --> 00:55:36,300
And so it's trying to help him understand the responsibility of an inheritance

949
00:55:36,300 --> 00:55:39,140
because that inheritance...

950
00:55:39,140 --> 00:55:41,760
I think the

951
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,180
40%

952
00:55:43,180 --> 00:55:44,460
I might have these numbers wrong

953
00:55:44,460 --> 00:55:46,360
but 40% of

954
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,400
inheritance is

955
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,180
gone in three generations

956
00:55:50,180 --> 00:55:53,160
I would be surprised if it's not higher

957
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,160
yeah it's how do you teach

958
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,060
how do you create something

959
00:55:57,060 --> 00:55:59,340
because they talk about Bitcoin as generational wealth

960
00:55:59,340 --> 00:56:01,100
how do you teach something where

961
00:56:01,100 --> 00:56:02,100
every generation

962
00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:05,240
you've got at least as much as last time

963
00:56:05,240 --> 00:56:07,440
or more and so you can do more good

964
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:08,860
or more bad

965
00:56:08,860 --> 00:56:18,820
but like how do i how do i prepare connor for that responsibility and and not only that he knows how

966
00:56:18,820 --> 00:56:25,280
to prepare his child for that responsibility and he that child knows how to prepare that child how

967
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:33,000
do you have this uh legacy through the bloodline that creates more good in the world and so it

968
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,840
sounds like honestly it sounds really wanky saying like that but like i i know a lot of

969
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:44,440
kind of think like that as well yeah they talk about when i hear about say people criticize

970
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:49,320
wealth people say oh they just hoard wealth not they do but they do it for a reason so that great

971
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:53,180
wealth creates more wealth so they can do good stuff with it like every rich person i know and

972
00:56:53,180 --> 00:56:57,620
i know some people are really rich do good stuff they fund schools they start businesses they fund

973
00:56:57,620 --> 00:57:03,820
entrepreneurs if you just take that away suddenly they're going to do less of that and so you have

974
00:57:03,820 --> 00:57:05,780
you have to trust rich people with money.

975
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:07,360
You have to trust wealthy people with money.

976
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,480
And yes, you'll get some degenerate wealthy people

977
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,440
who just buy Ferraris and do cocaine and sleep with hookers, of course.

978
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,740
But the majority of wealthy people I know are altruistic

979
00:57:16,740 --> 00:57:17,740
and do a lot of good stuff.

980
00:57:17,980 --> 00:57:19,540
And so you've got to trust them with that capital

981
00:57:19,540 --> 00:57:21,900
because they're way better at it than the government are.

982
00:57:22,580 --> 00:57:26,360
And so, yeah, it's just giving Conor the life experiences

983
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,280
so he knows what to do.

984
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:32,320
A little bit of selfishness with a little bit of altruism.

985
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:36,700
too much altruism you won't have anything left too much selfishness you won't do enough good

986
00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:42,100
like what is the right balance and so i think about that a lot and my daughter her journey on

987
00:57:42,100 --> 00:57:47,480
this will start in the next year to three years and it will be the same and i can sit in a rocking

988
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:56,840
chair listen to elephant change read a book sip of whiskey and taxing tax and rich people

989
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:03,720
for their money is kind of like tax and fit people for their muscles in a lot of ways yeah that's

990
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:11,340
what happened to me you got taxed i got taxed yeah the council got to you yeah look i'm not

991
00:58:11,340 --> 00:58:18,820
anti-tax i think you gotta have some i'm just not an act look i get the the theoretical framework

992
00:58:18,820 --> 00:58:22,960
that anarcho-capitalists have that you can't have the state without socialism you can't have

993
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,700
socialism about the state and blah blah i get i get everything they're saying i just think the

994
00:58:26,700 --> 00:58:31,900
state is a natural monopoly even here if there was no government here you would build government

995
00:58:31,900 --> 00:58:35,220
here what would happen is you would need a hierarchy and rules and decision making

996
00:58:35,220 --> 00:58:41,500
and then you probably want a constitution to protect against some kind of corruption and then

997
00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:45,780
you'd want to vote so whenever you want to get rid of government it will rebuild itself with high

998
00:58:45,780 --> 00:58:49,700
densities of humans it's just the way it is you want safety protection rules blah blah blah

999
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:52,180
freedom for me is

1000
00:58:52,180 --> 00:58:54,160
is

1001
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,440
the ability

1002
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,580
to make decisions freely

1003
00:58:58,580 --> 00:59:00,500
within a moral

1004
00:59:00,500 --> 00:59:01,600
and legal framework

1005
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,560
so for example

1006
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,300
I think the US Constitution

1007
00:59:06,300 --> 00:59:07,800
enshrines freedom

1008
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,360
it gives freedom

1009
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,660
it codifies freedom into the law

1010
00:59:12,660 --> 00:59:14,420
could be better

1011
00:59:14,420 --> 00:59:15,460
but it does

1012
00:59:15,460 --> 00:59:17,920
and

1013
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:23,780
And so if you come to that acceptance, I come to the acceptance that there is a certain amount of tax needed to pay for certain things.

1014
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,660
What we've got in the UK is a butchered version of that.

1015
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:29,920
We have backdoor socialism.

1016
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:37,100
The state essentially owns the means of production because we're so highly regulated, highly taxed, and there's so much control over our speech.

1017
00:59:37,460 --> 00:59:40,120
You essentially play ball to be able to earn.

1018
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:45,460
but the government might not own 51% or 50% of the company,

1019
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,100
but they own more than 50% of the productivity.

1020
00:59:48,860 --> 00:59:50,200
So it's back to socialism.

1021
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,480
Whatever people own, that's not real socialism.

1022
00:59:52,860 --> 00:59:53,300
It's the same.

1023
00:59:53,420 --> 00:59:54,820
The outcome is exactly the same.

1024
00:59:56,140 --> 01:00:02,700
And like any government, typically they can't live within their means.

1025
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:03,720
They're spending more than they have.

1026
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:04,760
So they're talking about tax more.

1027
01:00:04,860 --> 01:00:06,460
And then we're talking about wealth tax in the UK.

1028
01:00:06,460 --> 01:00:10,000
We've had 16,500 millionaires leave the UK in the last year.

1029
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,700
how many, how much more taxes I put on middle-class people to cover that?

1030
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,440
They want to introduce a wealth tax, a 2% wealth tax.

1031
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,280
All the socialists are like, you greedy millionaires, blah, blah, blah.

1032
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:20,980
They demonize the wealth.

1033
01:00:21,940 --> 01:00:23,420
And it's stupidity.

1034
01:00:24,500 --> 01:00:29,040
You have to get over your emotional ideology and accept the world is uneven

1035
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,040
and you will have poverty and extreme wealth.

1036
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,440
The only way to get rid of that is make everyone the same,

1037
01:00:35,500 --> 01:00:36,000
which is communism.

1038
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:37,100
We know that doesn't work.

1039
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,660
And so we just need to have a balancing system.

1040
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,500
Right now, the top 1% pay the 30% of the tax in the UK.

1041
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:45,040
Top 10% pay 60%.

1042
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:46,220
They're paying their way.

1043
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:47,640
The riches are paying their way.

1044
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,340
Let's not laugh or curve them out of the country.

1045
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:52,040
And let's not demonize them.

1046
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:52,860
Let's celebrate them.

1047
01:00:52,940 --> 01:00:55,060
And let's create real wealth by creating jobs.

1048
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:57,780
Can I remember the original question?

1049
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:00,740
No, that's where we went.

1050
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:01,820
That's where we were going with it.

1051
01:01:03,380 --> 01:01:05,740
I watched another one of your podcasts last night.

1052
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,060
I was falling asleep to it.

1053
01:01:07,060 --> 01:01:12,600
You had a guy on there who was an Iran-Israel subject matter expert.

1054
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:14,460
Oh, for Asmodad.

1055
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:15,400
Yeah, I think that's it.

1056
01:01:15,540 --> 01:01:21,160
And he was talking about the pizza indicator.

1057
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:21,700
What is it called?

1058
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,860
The pizza indicator and the gay bar indicator?

1059
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:24,300
Yeah.

1060
01:01:24,540 --> 01:01:35,060
So around the Pentagon, when something's happening, pizza sales go up and revenue at gay strip bars goes down.

1061
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:35,500
Goes down.

1062
01:01:35,500 --> 01:01:35,860
Yeah.

1063
01:01:35,860 --> 01:01:38,780
I laughed so hard.

1064
01:01:39,220 --> 01:01:41,120
I stopped it and I rewound it

1065
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:42,780
and I stopped it and I laughed so hard.

1066
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:43,300
He's Jesus.

1067
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:47,020
What makes you laugh? What are the things that you find funny?

1068
01:01:47,580 --> 01:01:50,120
What gets you busting out?

1069
01:01:50,820 --> 01:01:52,840
I mean...

1070
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:57,440
There's many types of laughter, right?

1071
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:58,320
There is the

1072
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,800
genuine laugh out loud funny

1073
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,140
which is Louis C.K.

1074
01:02:02,140 --> 01:02:04,600
Louis C.K. makes me die with laughter.

1075
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,520
I think he's so smart and funny.

1076
01:02:09,300 --> 01:02:15,960
But then there was like that dark laughter where you're just laughing

1077
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:17,660
at the stupidity of things.

1078
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,600
The stupidity of our politicians makes me laugh.

1079
01:02:23,700 --> 01:02:25,200
I'm like, what the fuck is going on here?

1080
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,000
That kind of weird kind of – it's almost like a coke laughter.

1081
01:02:30,900 --> 01:02:32,200
Because otherwise you'd cry.

1082
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:33,540
Yeah, because you would cry.

1083
01:02:33,540 --> 01:02:36,320
but if you're on about just like entertainment

1084
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:37,940
laughter I can

1085
01:02:37,940 --> 01:02:40,120
Louis C.K. all day every day

1086
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,400
I just put

1087
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:43,480
on YouTube I put on

1088
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,660
a mix of his funniest sketches

1089
01:02:45,660 --> 01:02:47,440
he tells the

1090
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,120
most simple things in such a funny way

1091
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:51,180
he tells this story

1092
01:02:51,180 --> 01:02:53,580
anyone listening should go and dig this out

1093
01:02:53,580 --> 01:02:56,340
we rent a car and he returns it

1094
01:02:56,340 --> 01:02:58,380
to the airport and he doesn't have time to get

1095
01:02:58,380 --> 01:03:00,100
to the rental place

1096
01:03:00,100 --> 01:03:02,080
so he just leaves it outside

1097
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:03,620
the airport.

1098
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,040
And they said they phoned him up

1099
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:07,800
and he said, yeah, I've just left it outside the airport.

1100
01:03:08,060 --> 01:03:09,820
And they're like, oh, well, you can't do that.

1101
01:03:09,860 --> 01:03:11,880
He's like, well, I have. But the way

1102
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:13,980
he tells it is so funny.

1103
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,060
If I tell you that story, it's not funny. No one's laughing.

1104
01:03:16,780 --> 01:03:17,880
He just has a

1105
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,020
delivery mechanism to make that hilarious.

1106
01:03:20,020 --> 01:03:21,740
I love Louis C.K.

1107
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,260
I don't think we get funny films anymore.

1108
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:26,240
Not since

1109
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,080
about 2012. Tropic Thunder.

1110
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:29,520
I remember when I was a kid,

1111
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:31,700
a youngster, we got

1112
01:03:31,700 --> 01:03:34,640
Road Trip

1113
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:35,980
and American Pie

1114
01:03:35,980 --> 01:03:38,360
and it was the right kind of stupid human for my age

1115
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:39,900
because I was a similar age

1116
01:03:39,900 --> 01:03:41,720
and we went through that period of like

1117
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,100
This Is 40 and

1118
01:03:43,100 --> 01:03:46,100
The 40 Year Old Virgin

1119
01:03:46,100 --> 01:03:47,460
and that stuff was funny

1120
01:03:47,460 --> 01:03:49,720
and I can't remember a film that's made me laugh recently

1121
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:51,940
comedy isn't funny anymore

1122
01:03:51,940 --> 01:03:54,040
but I like stand up

1123
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,840
my kids make me laugh

1124
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,420
they're so fucking mean to me

1125
01:03:59,420 --> 01:04:05,480
honestly that's so fucking mean to me coming at the king yeah

1126
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:12,820
man i really appreciate you thank you thank you so much i've taken i've taken a lot of your time

1127
01:04:12,820 --> 01:04:17,200
i don't like doing very valuable man this is awesome i don't think i've had any insights i'm

1128
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:21,400
not uh i don't like being interviewed but this is fun this is fun i'm glad i made a new friend

1129
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:25,200
on this trip yeah me too like this is this is really cool this is what i was looking for when

1130
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:30,640
I came here was I'm, I'm a dumb guy. I'm going to go hang out and just some smart people are

1131
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:34,160
going to walk by. Eventually I'm going to say hi to them. I made a career out being that guy.

1132
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,320
Yeah, exactly. That's what you said. Dumb guy with a mic.

1133
01:04:36,500 --> 01:04:41,500
Yeah. What's, uh, before I let you go, what's, uh, what's one question I didn't ask you? What's

1134
01:04:41,500 --> 01:04:44,580
one thing that you're thinking about that we didn't talk about that's important?

1135
01:04:44,580 --> 01:04:47,560
I'm thinking about the 101 questions to ask before you get engaged.

1136
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:48,700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1137
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:50,060
That might've stopped me being divorced.

1138
01:04:50,460 --> 01:04:55,160
101. I, I've, I've just started, I just started reading it. I'm, I'm single.

1139
01:04:55,200 --> 01:05:01,720
i've never been married no kids and i come from a big family they're way too long yeah i know

1140
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:05,820
that's that's the thing is i always i was always playing music full time i was working full time

1141
01:05:05,820 --> 01:05:10,900
and so i had this talk about like the superhero thing like i had an alter ego like i was the guy

1142
01:05:10,900 --> 01:05:14,820
that showed up at the bank and then i went and got on a tour bus and i never had time to wash

1143
01:05:14,820 --> 01:05:20,820
my underwear or mow my lawn and then everybody else starts having kids and i look around and

1144
01:05:20,820 --> 01:05:28,740
All my guy friends, they're like getting married, kids, amazing.

1145
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:30,640
And it just changed them all for the better.

1146
01:05:30,820 --> 01:05:31,800
Yeah, I mean, it does.

1147
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,760
I mean, my date advice to people these days is do not use the apps.

1148
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:46,060
The problem with the apps is like having been in love, love is never a physical thing.

1149
01:05:46,380 --> 01:05:50,120
It is a, to me, it was a connection when you finally connect.

1150
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:54,120
and that you know it can happen to some people very quickly and some people takes time but it's

1151
01:05:54,120 --> 01:06:01,340
purely a connection um and also with the apps you you're not you get so much more from just seeing

1152
01:06:01,340 --> 01:06:04,740
someone in a cafe and going to my girlfriend i met at the football club she came in and i asked

1153
01:06:04,740 --> 01:06:14,880
her out and so fuck the apps um and and don't look for don't look for what you think perfection is

1154
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:19,700
just find someone who makes you laugh and spend time with that person and get to know them but

1155
01:06:19,700 --> 01:06:23,780
you're going to get you're going to do the children the other end i'm about finished my shift

1156
01:06:23,780 --> 01:06:30,420
yeah you got them young i got to be the young unwise dad you get to be the the older wise dad

1157
01:06:30,420 --> 01:06:36,600
so i ran around a bit more with them and you'll get to like you'll get to lay a wisdom onto them

1158
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:41,120
for years but don't wait too long i went home my dad got cancer and i went home to kind of help out

1159
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:47,560
there and during that time when your parents start to go downhill you stop looking at them as the

1160
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:53,440
unfallible parent you start seeing the child that they are that just is in an older body yes and it

1161
01:06:53,440 --> 01:07:00,360
made me appreciate so much what a good father he was like just we didn't have a whole lot all that

1162
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:06,940
stuff but i never wanted for anything nobody beat my ass like i mean there's a lot of there's a lot

1163
01:07:06,940 --> 01:07:12,800
of good and just thinking about that and being like man to be able to share that with somebody

1164
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:18,360
because i know that seeing you and connor around here it's like it appears this guy is your best

1165
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:23,300
friend yeah kind of although you've got to be careful about being you got to maintain that

1166
01:07:23,300 --> 01:07:28,480
you got to maintain that thing less so now he's like 21 right but you you know when people are

1167
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:32,300
like they're 10 year old that's my best friend i'm like what the fuck are you on about that's

1168
01:07:32,300 --> 01:07:36,620
a title that's not your best friend if anybody else said that like this 10 year old boy is my

1169
01:07:36,620 --> 01:07:41,060
best friend you'd be like arrest that man yeah but like if even you know you just hear people say

1170
01:07:41,060 --> 01:07:42,640
it's like my best friend,

1171
01:07:42,780 --> 01:07:43,540
that's not your best friend,

1172
01:07:43,580 --> 01:07:44,200
it's your child.

1173
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:45,880
You don't treat him like a best friend,

1174
01:07:45,940 --> 01:07:46,680
you treat him like a child,

1175
01:07:46,740 --> 01:07:47,320
which basically means

1176
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,840
you have to do things

1177
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:50,560
that they think are mean

1178
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:51,180
that are right for them.

1179
01:07:51,260 --> 01:07:52,860
Like my daughter messaged me the other day,

1180
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:53,580
she wants to go to London

1181
01:07:53,580 --> 01:07:54,460
to a concert with her friends.

1182
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:55,860
I'm like, absolutely fucking not,

1183
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:56,320
you're 15.

1184
01:07:56,700 --> 01:07:57,440
You can go with me,

1185
01:07:57,500 --> 01:07:58,000
I'll drive you,

1186
01:07:58,060 --> 01:07:58,640
I'll wait outside,

1187
01:07:58,720 --> 01:07:59,540
I'll pick you up and take you home.

1188
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:01,000
London's a dangerous fucking place,

1189
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:01,460
it's not happening.

1190
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:03,640
Oh, you're so mean,

1191
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:05,040
I don't give a fucking shit,

1192
01:08:05,140 --> 01:08:06,000
these are the rules.

1193
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:09,060
Once they become an adult

1194
01:08:09,060 --> 01:08:09,760
and they pay their way,

1195
01:08:09,820 --> 01:08:10,400
and he pays his way,

1196
01:08:10,460 --> 01:08:10,980
he pays rent,

1197
01:08:11,060 --> 01:08:13,380
he buys me a beer occasionally

1198
01:08:13,380 --> 01:08:14,560
he pays for dinner sometimes

1199
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:17,160
we can be friends now and we can have that

1200
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,340
but I'm still a dad, I've still got to

1201
01:08:19,340 --> 01:08:20,880
put guidance onto him

1202
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:22,900
and help him make better decisions

1203
01:08:22,900 --> 01:08:25,420
honestly it's the most beautiful thing

1204
01:08:25,420 --> 01:08:26,060
working with your son

1205
01:08:26,060 --> 01:08:29,160
it's great, it's awesome

1206
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,120
I recommend anyone do it

1207
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,120
yeah it's cool, I love it

1208
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:34,500
it's a hell of a transition

1209
01:08:34,500 --> 01:08:37,320
the 15 year old skateboard rocker

1210
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:39,580
do I look much different?

1211
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:40,960
I'm just fatter and greyer

1212
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,280
I would still skateboard if I could.

1213
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:45,120
Peter, thank you so much.

1214
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,220
Tell everybody where to find you.

1215
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:48,400
Anything you want to tell them.

1216
01:08:48,780 --> 01:08:49,960
Yeah, find me.

1217
01:08:50,580 --> 01:08:52,100
My show's called The Pete McCormack Show.

1218
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:53,400
It's very UK-centric.

1219
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:54,360
Go check that out.

1220
01:08:54,540 --> 01:08:56,060
And I own a football club called Rail Bedford.

1221
01:08:56,260 --> 01:08:56,820
Go check that out.

1222
01:08:56,860 --> 01:08:57,420
Bye so much.

1223
01:08:58,000 --> 01:08:59,200
And let's go and get rid of this belly.

1224
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:00,780
Thanks, Lucas.

1225
01:09:01,220 --> 01:09:04,360
Dude, absolute clip or magnet, whatever you like.

1226
01:09:04,660 --> 01:09:05,340
I'll just get to that.

1227
01:09:09,180 --> 01:09:10,000
Where do you want to do it?

1228
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:10,360
On the belt?

1229
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:12,060
Yeah, on the balcony, if that's all right.

1230
01:09:12,180 --> 01:09:13,080
Do you mind if I take a photo?

1231
01:09:13,340 --> 01:09:14,320
Hell yeah, of course.

1232
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:20,840
This view alone makes me want to come and stay here again a little bit more.

1233
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:22,880
Well, I'll be honest.

1234
01:09:22,940 --> 01:09:25,040
I hate the weather, but I like the view.

1235
01:09:25,480 --> 01:09:27,000
Because it's too humid?

1236
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:27,840
It's too fucking humid.

1237
01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:29,260
Well, and I grew up in Kansas.

1238
01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:31,120
Kansas is a semi-arid desert.

1239
01:09:31,620 --> 01:09:37,400
And so it's like 12% humidity there.

1240
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,320
And it's like 80% here.

1241
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:43,020
How often does it rain?

1242
01:09:44,100 --> 01:09:44,900
Not enough.

1243
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:46,800
About every...

1244
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,300
During the rainy season, about every...

1245
01:09:49,300 --> 01:09:50,220
I'd say three out of every four.

1246
01:09:50,220 --> 01:09:52,120
Do we need to sit next to each other for this to work?

1247
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:53,520
We might, actually. Are you okay with that?

1248
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:53,880
Yeah, of course.

1249
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:55,240
I didn't have anything better.

1250
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:57,540
I want to flip this.

1251
01:09:58,120 --> 01:09:58,800
Can I flip it?

1252
01:10:00,500 --> 01:10:00,900
Yeah.

1253
01:10:01,900 --> 01:10:03,500
Yeah, then we'll just back this up.

1254
01:10:05,500 --> 01:10:07,040
Actually, I think that'll work really well.

1255
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:11,280
if you twist it a little bit then it doesn't look like we're holding hands

1256
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:22,480
the 5 a.m club yeah is that the people who start their day at 5 a.m yeah see i used to do shit like

1257
01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:27,860
that but my problem i get tired how old are you 41 yeah i'm 46 in the last few years i've started

1258
01:10:27,860 --> 01:10:34,400
to feel the tiredness yeah i i started to feel it in the last two yeah and i got my t levels checked

1259
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:39,000
and they were way off the they were way too fucking low see somebody else told me to get

1260
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:44,420
those checked yeah so that's i mean that was the big thing and so that's what started me down this

1261
01:10:44,420 --> 01:10:49,260
kind of path of like all the stuff i teach in man camp which is like get your ass out of bed

1262
01:10:49,260 --> 01:10:55,920
go move get sunlight get fresh air get that early morning early morning sun frequency that's going

1263
01:10:55,920 --> 01:11:00,640
to trigger the melatonin release later on it's going to be the thing that helps you fall asleep

1264
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,880
Once you get out of that, though, it's hard to get back in.

1265
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,960
I think we're live.

1266
01:11:08,620 --> 01:11:09,060
Let's go.

1267
01:11:09,340 --> 01:11:09,720
All right.

1268
01:11:10,860 --> 01:11:16,300
Yeah, I wrote down like five questions to try and kind of lead into.

1269
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,240
I assume you're okay taking them off the cuff.

1270
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:20,040
Whatever, man.

1271
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:20,860
We'll do whatever you want.

1272
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:22,540
What have you?

1273
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,980
I think this is one of the coolest places I've ever done a podcast.

1274
01:11:25,480 --> 01:11:29,480
Even better is that it's always in shade during the day.

1275
01:11:29,480 --> 01:11:34,880
so it's perfect right yeah so you come back you come be my neighbor your listeners your viewers

1276
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:39,660
can't see what we can see but we're looking out a balcony we can see a beautiful beach

1277
01:11:39,660 --> 01:11:45,660
lovely turquoise water yeah why do i live in bedford

1278
01:11:45,660 --> 01:11:54,740
yes that's what you need why do i live in a high-tax socialist state yeah all right let's