All right. So Peter McCormick, man, Miss Legend.
Nice. Come on, man.
Thank you for joining me. It really is. It's a huge honor to have you. And yesterday I caught
you in the cafe. You gave me some great advice on being a podcaster. And so I'm going to try to
implement some of that. So the first thing I'm going to do is I'm going to tell a couple of
stories and lead that into a question. So one of the ones that I want to start with was
the idea of being your own superhero, of taking responsibility for your life.
So about two years ago, I moved up to Wenatchee, Washington, this little sports community kind of place,
built a whole bunch of friends, and we decided to throw a house party.
And I sent out invitations.
All the invitation had on it was come at once if convenient.
If convenient, come all the same, Sherlock Holmes quote.
And the other thing, it said dress like your own superhero.
dressed like the hero of your own story. So we're all a character in a story. We're all
constantly telling ourselves that. And the more we take control of that, I think the more we're
able to be the superhero of that story, instead of the instead of the NPC, you know, and even at
worst, maybe even your own villain. So my question, because I didn't want to give you the introduction
of this is what you've done and everything.
In the story of your life, what character are you?
Who is the superhero?
What are his strengths?
What's his kryptonite?
You don't have to tell me what his secret outfit is.
I think I've got a good answer for this, actually.
So just can it be myself, right?
At 14, 15 years old.
I was a little metalhead, long hair, skateboard, shorts, Metallica shirt, whatever, Megadeth shirt.
And I used to go and meet my friends in the multi-story car park in Bedford.
We used to go skateboarding every day.
And it was obviously before mobile phones.
And I think that was – if I had to pick a favorite kind of period of my life, I've really enjoyed my life.
I could die tomorrow.
I'd be very content.
I'd be very lucky.
But that was, you know, the coming-of-age films from the 90s?
Yeah.
That was my life.
The Rat Pack.
Yeah.
You grew up with those, too.
So we would just, you know, I would skateboard from my house to town,
which is, you know, a few miles.
We'd just skateboard and be listening to an old Walkman,
listen to Bon Jovi or something,
and we'd meet in the car park, we'd skate all day.
And that was a kind of transitional period
because we used to skateboard in town and we got banned from the town
because we were kind of grinding the beautiful stonery.
And so we campaigned together to get a skate park.
And at that same time, I set up a fanzine because I was listening to rock music,
metal, and I wanted – I don't know why.
I just wanted to be involved in the industry, so I started a fanzine.
And so I would phone up the record companies and do interviews.
So I interviewed Korn and Pantera and Slayer.
It was cool.
And so the reason I loved that period of my life was I was just excited by life.
And I just believed you could do anything you wanted.
And I wanted to start a magazine.
I wanted to interview Corns, and I did.
And it's kind of funny because, you know, you roll, I don't know what, 25 years later,
there with Bukele, the president of El Salvador, in a Metallica show doing an interview.
and people are like it's so disrespectful you should have i've just went as me and i've been
the same person since i was like uh 14 look at me now i'm in a deftones hoodie right yeah i'm not
we just bump into each other yeah just but i just i still dress like i'm 14 most days i've just got
a metal shirt and jeans on and shorts and um and there's i think there's periods in life where you
try and force what you want and then there's periods in life where you go with the flow
and both can lead to the same outcome you can force what you want or you can get it from the flow
but when you go i've always found that when you go with the flow you write out the good
bad times a lot better if you try and force an outcome yeah when things don't go your way it's
more stressful um you kind of beat yourself up uh you you it's just not a good way to be but when
you go with the flow if you're very stoic and accept what life will give i think the outcomes
can usually end up the same yeah yeah so um the the hero of my life is if it's allowed to be me
it's me at 14 if the hero of my life is somebody else that's just my dad i know it's a cliche but
My dad is.
My dad's so cool.
He's just a hard worker.
He's an engineer, aircraft engineer, and just makes sure his kids have the best.
Do I have any famous heroes?
No heroes.
Sometimes I think people put who they admire as a hero.
Like I love Sean Penn as an actor.
He's not my hero.
I'm trying to think.
Modern-day heroes.
who's
I mean a hero has to be
somebody who's done I think
something incredible
for the world
that's a tough one
you get to our age
more of the cooler people are younger than you
and you don't want someone younger than you to be a hero
it's certainly shameful
to look at a 22 year old and go
I wish I could be like that
hero of my life
I mean
I love Metallica
is James Hetfield
the hero of my life
I loved Alice in Chains
Lady Stadia's not my hero
Guy died a
drugged up loser
like a great singer but
threw it all away
I don't know man
hero of my life
it's one of those ones you want to think about and make sure you get just right
my son in some ways
that's really cool
I'll tell you why because he's a better human than I am
he's more introverted
he doesn't
need praise
he's very balanced
he
he makes me
think I need to grow up
sometimes because he
he's handled a lot in his life
and he handles it
really well so yeah i don't know i don't know if i have heroes i just have people i really admire
i think it's good not to have heroes when i i don't know who it was but when i was a very young
kid i got to meet somebody yeah i met somebody famous and i remember just thinking i walked away
and i go that's just some guy yeah like and that really helped for later on it it helps with talking
to people like helps with talking to people that you look up to like i can come talk to you as a
guy and not as like oh it's this guy on a pedestal um and i think people appreciate that when other
people come up to them too because they don't have the pressure of being somebody's hero like that's
not that's not fun too yeah look everybody is is either the person who made a series of choices
which got them where they are, or somebody who was born with an ability
which they were able to exploit.
So singing, the ability to sing and have a beautiful voice,
is very hard to teach.
It's really hard.
Like if you're a football player, you could be an average football player
and train hard and become good enough to make it.
It's very hard as a singer.
If you can't sing, you can't sing.
And so if you meet a singer who's very successful because of their voice,
They were born with a talent.
Now, they might have been a songwriter as well, and they worked at songwriting.
Incredible.
But most people just made a series of decisions.
I woke up one day and said I wanted to start a podcast, and so I did.
And I just worked hard and did some cool interviews.
I could have made other decisions, and I would be managing a store.
Or I could have made other decisions, and I would be a member of parliament.
Just a series of decisions happen that you make, maybe your parents make, and you end up somewhere.
but people are just people every single person goes to bed at the end of the day and they're
just a person happy sad emotional about all the same shit so starting the podcast yes you gave me
a little background on that yesterday yep and you're you know to summarize kind of what you said
basically you you were on a downward trajectory kind of hit rock bottom found exercise through
running found rich roll through running and then you had this someone who was successful
doing the thing that you wanted to do which was being a podcaster who was modeling that behavior
for you and you were you reached out and you got some assistance and or you got some advice on how
to start yep and you just took off from then so um i found ritual the same way okay i started running
the first time I went out, I made it half a mile and I sat down and I contemplated my life decisions.
And I was just, I would, and, but I did, I did, because I grew up, I was a good athlete. And then
I had let myself go. And it was just, I was, I was very ashamed of myself. And I was like,
you know what, it's not that bad. Maybe next time we'll make it a mile. And you do. And yeah,
and you keep, you keep progressing. And within, I was training, I was like, well, you know,
train for something so they had a five kilometer race i was going to join that i was going to do
that that was going to be my first time ever and i wanted to get faster and so i read rich's book
and the thing that i took away from it there's this part in it where he talks about he got a
running coach because he could not seem to get his time chris hoff is that okay that's the guy's name
who yeah he coached me for one point really yeah small okay so so you probably got this
run slow to run fast run slow to run fast yeah exactly that's exactly so the first time i tried
this run only as fast as you can while you can still breathe through your nose and it was
pathetically slow but i set out trying to run two miles and i just fell into it and i ended up going
12 and a half miles and my times were going down yep and i was like this is unbelievable this is
fancy so when i coach people now that's what i try to coach them is like look you don't want to learn
how to do this thing fast you want to learn how to do this thing well and then practice so that you
get faster yeah i think it's one run in every four should be fast and so the other three runs you've
got to keep your you wear a heart rate monitor your bpm below 140 because it's to do with um uh
the different zones you're in yeah because you can essentially run the 140 you know as forever but
the problem with that is is like to keep it under 140 when you first do it you almost walk and you
look like a fucking idiot it was you look like an idiot yeah but you build up about i got my
unfortunately i put my back out and to have back surgery so i haven't run for years but
i got my i should show you a picture i'm a lot i was a lot thinner i got my 5k down to 23 and a
half and my 10k down i think was to 49 minutes i broke 50 yeah i was doing half marathons i was
running every day um unfortunately my knee's gone now for an arthritic shoulder and had back surgery
but i put my back out running and i just haven't been able to run since from running you yeah put
your back out yeah so i don't know what it was by herniated disc i mean maybe it's not from the
running but the first time it went really badly was running the second time was picking a bottle
off the floor uh and eventually i had back surgery with herniated disc and haven't been able to run
since which is sad so what are you doing what are you doing now for workouts uh because you're in
the gym well i'm in the gym because i'm here um i've probably had about four to five month period
where i've done nothing because i've been so busy with various bits of work i lay i basically stack
too much work uh but i've just got back into the gym uh if i'm if i'm active i am uh weights three
times a week i do a hard 25 minute session maybe 30 minute session and i'll cycle a couple of times
a week you embody weights or weights uh i'm doing so i bench um but that's difficult because i've
got my uh because my shoulder my arthritic shoulder but i can still do it doctor says
still do it i squat and it's just a very i just i do the weights i like yeah gotcha um so my
question with that is like that was my takeaway was the slowest slowest fast type of thing what
and it could be from rich or it could be from chris or it could be from whoever but
what's something from i mean you started this eight eight years ago more than eight right
so you started this journey that long ago so what's something from back then that's a lesson
or a piece of advice that you're still drawing from because because a lot of times i think you
know like the thing that got you here isn't the thing that gets you to the next level
yeah but i think there are like certain things that you can take all the way to the top yeah i
I mean, look, Rich gave me loads of advice.
One of them was be patient and don't give up because a lot of people give up early.
I think because he's a podcaster, a lot of people came to him and said,
I want to start a podcast.
And he said to me, I'm the only one who stuck with it,
to the point where I think he actually respects what I do.
He might not like my content, but he respects what I do.
But also was just authenticity is key.
So don't try and be authentic because you can't try to be authentic.
Just be you.
And so open yourself up.
Be who you are.
Let people know who you are.
And either they like you or they won't.
And look, I think being a podcast actually suits me because, you know,
if you came to my hometown of Bedford, you'll see as I'm in my coffee shop
or walk around the town, I talk to everyone.
I'm just a talker.
I like talking to people.
So it suits me to have a job where I talk.
And everyone should just find the thing that suits them.
I think a thousand people can start a podcast and maybe only two make a living out of it
just for whatever number of reasons.
Some is luck.
Some is timing.
Some is who you are.
But I think if you want to be a podcaster, just always be you.
Just be authentic to yourself.
And that's what I did.
So I would just say what I'm thinking on the podcast.
And sometimes I would say stupid shit.
But it was what I was thinking.
and with some people it annoyed them and they're like,
fuck me and don't listen to a show and other people enjoyed it.
And so from that I managed to build this podcast
and it's the same with what I'm doing now because I flipped it now.
It's not a Bitcoin show anymore.
It's just a general show and I'm still just being me,
just being very open and honest about what I think and the questions I have.
And I still draw from that.
And don't get me wrong, there are times where your feet lift off the ground
And I'm just like a guy who made a Bitcoin podcast.
I've never scored a goal at Wembley or played on stage at Wembley.
Nothing crazy.
But still with that, sometimes your feet lift off the ground.
You know, you interview a president.
You're like, wow, you're at a conference and loads of people come up
and they'll talk to you.
And you're like, oh, this means something to them.
And just, you know, if you want to be your authentic self,
you've got to stay grounded and just, you know, give everybody time.
And if somebody has a question, take the time to answer them
and help them.
And just, yeah, I still draw on that.
Just be you.
Let people see you warts and all.
And if they don't like you, so be it.
And if they like you, great.
But just you cannot.
It's like I said earlier, you can't force these things.
You can't force a podcast to be successful.
It either is or it isn't.
Yeah.
I used to play.
I used to front a band.
I see your guitar out there.
Yeah.
And one of the things, I started out, I was a singer-songwriter,
playing acoustic shows, played 500, 600 acoustic.
shows and then i started a band and that's a totally different vibe right you get everything
you get the stage lights and you get the smoke and you get everything going and then it kind of
becomes less about being a singer songwriter and more about selling beer and just you know and like
oh we're here to party it's not like you know when you get one man one guitar you're up there like
dylan you're like i'm going to be a philosopher and here's what i'm going to tell you you know
And we did it for seven years and it was really good. And it was starting to build. We were really starting to move right when COVID hit. And I got this chance to like everything shut down. Gym shut down, work shut down, band shut down, canceled all the gigs. I went and lived on a sailboat. I went and lived in the mountains, just hiked every day, shut my phone off, quit doing stuff.
and i came to realize that i didn't like the kind of person i had become when i was on stage because
i was playing to that idea of selling beer and whatever and moving that's when i read like kevin
kelly's um thousand true fans article and you know it's like hey if you have like understand
the math if you have a thousand patreon patreon guy yeah uh well um he's not the guy who created
Patreon, but he's a huge fan of that model.
The Patreon guy is a musician who got big on YouTube.
And when YouTube changed the algorithm from chronological to algorithmic it destroyed the subscriber base because then it started to encourage this like
short-term you know high high shock value type content as opposed to like rubbish yeah but
everything's gone to shit since he's well he's done a presentation called a thousand true fans
yeah oh okay yeah so he talked about a thousand true fans that's where i heard it gotcha gotcha
So Kevin Kelly, the founder of Wired Magazine, like super, super tech OG, and just the most thoughtful, lives like an Amish guy now.
But he goes, yeah, do the math.
A thousand true fans, if they contribute $100, that's $100,000.
It's good living, right?
Good enough to get you moving in the right direction.
And so that's when I decided I was going to kind of move more in the direction of this kind of singer-songwriter thing, go back to being that authentic.
because that's the kind of, if you're going to have audience capture, it'd be nice to have an
audience captured by who you actually are, right? Just be 100% your, your authentic self. So I think
that's really, it's really insightful. And I think that one of the things that's cool about the
podcast you're doing is that you ask questions when you don't understand something. You're like,
Hey, I, whatever you just said, I don't get it. Stop, spell it out, say it backwards or upside
down because i don't understand so sometimes i do ask questions i know the answer to as well but i
sometimes i think oh does the audience not know the answer to that please explain that
and yeah but also that is also my cover for when i'm being a dumbass and i don't know the
i'm just thinking of the audience um so another thing another thing i wanted to ask you about was
um so that birthday party i told you about i go and i go to make this i go to make this uh
invitation. I was going to use Jatchi PT. And I'd gone down there. I joined this yoga studio.
Of course, it's a yoga studio. So it's me and like 28 hot girls. And that was a great way to
introduce yourself to a town. So all of my friends were at my buddy, who's now my podcast host,
and then like 28 really hot girls. And we're like, we're going to throw this party. And I told
chatgy pee. I said, make an image of fit and beautiful, diverse people of all like 20 to 40.
And it comes back. It's like, I can't do that. That violates my restrictions. Like if I say
something's beautiful, that means that somebody might get their feelings hurt. It's like, okay,
rewrite my prompt in a way that doesn't violate your stupid restrictions. So rewrite it. I put it
on. It's like, nope, sorry. Still can't do it. Just finally gave, gave up, like said, screw this.
so you recently tweeted a uh you reposted something that chat gpt there was news about
chat gpt trying to clone itself onto external servers which is concerning enough but even more
concerning is that when it got caught and it got confronted it tried to lie its way out of it
yeah although it turns out that it was a simulation they were running okay yeah i got community noted
on that oh she got now okay well okay assume this is true or assume assume a scenario like
but they're running the the scenario for a reason yes to see what the response is yeah so
your your comment was we're cooked like you know so it's kind of a two-part question one is that
i look at a i look at a model like that chat gpt where it like it won't let me put beautiful people
in a picture because that would hurt ugly people's feeling. And also, hey, it may try and go out and
do some wild stuff. I look at that as like a very unuseful tool, like as though it was a pocket
knife, but every fifth time you tried to cut something, it lectured you about diversity
instead of cutting it. And I look around and I'm like, tools generally don't get popular
if they don't do the job every time.
And so I wonder, A, do you think that we'll see models converge
to more truth-seeking because of the not-usefulness of having a bias?
And B, being the character in this story, this is your story now.
So what would the evidence need to be to convince you otherwise?
Or how are you checking yourself, I guess, against kind of the AI doomer thing?
yeah uh have you seen grok in the last 24 hours they've made some change this morning yeah it's
been savage yeah yeah it's been on twitter it's been answering things in a really savage way um
can i answer a different question you can yeah you can answer the question and i think about it a lot
but i'm thinking about something different with ai what i'm somebody okay so i read a thing
recently which said ai is making us dumber they've run a study and because we're using ai to do the
research come up with the answers we're not doing the reading not formulating the answers we're not
using our brain we're not remembering things so we've outsourced our thinking and productivity
and output to ai so we're making ourselves dumber i was like yeah okay that's probably true if i'm
not reading a book i'm not gonna remember it okay and then i saw a another tweet somebody put out
where a company had 1,000 customer service agents,
and they were using them to train the AI to do customer service
and then let the 1,000 people go.
And I was like, yes.
So at the moment, every one of us using AI is making AI stronger
whilst making ourselves weaker.
But the problem is the incentive models means if you don't use AI
in this market at the moment, you're less competitive.
So the company using AI agents for customer service versus using people are going to be more profitable.
And therefore, it might be terminal for those not using it.
So AI is inevitable.
The AI growth and evolution of the models is accelerating.
And so I'm spending a lot of time thinking about what does that mean?
Yeah. And it's like, what does it mean in the next year? What's it mean?
Next five years? What's it mean? It's 50 years. Uh,
50 years doesn't really matter for me. I mean, if I'm for some reason,
I mean, what would that make me? 96, I'm probably dead.
You'll be around. You'll be around. But, um, you know, there is,
there is near term, um,
acceptance that the world is going to change.
There is midterm and I say mid being five years.
where the significant change has happened.
And then there's long-term where it's like,
I don't know what the fuck's going on.
So near-term, it's like, how do you plan for a world
that you don't know what it's going to look like,
but you know it's going to be different?
Yeah.
And I feel very sorry for...
There are people who are at university now.
By the time they finish their degree, their job won't exist.
And I don't know what skills the world's going to want in five years.
if you're a musician
you're fine because you want to go and watch a band
on stage. I think people still want to do
those real life experiences like comedy
sports
if you're a tour guide
I don't want a tour guide to be a robot
I didn't want to play chess against the robot
I want the human experience
so I think a lot of
jobs will be in the human experience
and that's cool
but enough people
are going to be able to earn enough money
or are we just going to have a shift?
Are we going to have this like hugely,
like Ray Dalio says,
we're going to go through a hugely deflationary period.
Everything's going to break.
The money's going to break.
Interest rate's going to break.
Financial model's going to break.
And how do we reorganize?
Do we reorganize through war?
Do we reorganize through anarchy?
Do we just live in a more dangerous, crazy world?
Again, I don't know the answers,
but I'm trying to think about what that means.
And then there's just the super long-term sci-fi crazy shit
in that are we governed by robots?
Are we governed by AI?
Do we get to the point where Neuralink connects to AI
and then suddenly you're in the film Limitless
and you can know anything?
Now, that one I don't like.
If you can know anything and have all expertise,
everyone can know everything.
So where is the human experience?
Because the human experience is in our differences.
It's you from a farm in Kansas
and me from a small town in Bedford
who maybe like some similar music and connected because of Bitcoin,
but we can learn different things.
Maybe you learned a bit about podcasting from me.
Maybe I learned a bit about training from you.
And we get in some deep conversations.
We get philosophical about things.
We talk about things.
And the world gets slightly better for us.
How does that work in a world where you have a Neuralink, I have a Neuralink,
we can know all about everything?
I think it's almost like if it was a computer game, you've completed the game because there's nothing more you can do.
And so where does the joy in life then come from?
It's probably only hedonistic experiences.
I can't think anything else where joy comes from because the joy is in progression in life.
And progression changes.
starting a podcast, the joy is in getting the next big guest.
It's Charlie Lee coming on or Jameson Lopp or getting the president
or you get 100,000 subscribers and you get a sponsor
and it now pays for itself.
It's the progression, right?
And then life progression is I don't need to do that anymore.
I can go back and create a football club.
And all through that, you're kind of gaining knowledge
and growing as a human.
I'm now looking down at 50.
I'm three years away and I'm reading a lot more.
and I'm choosing to work less, and that's progression.
I'm trying to shape the world for my kids.
That's progression.
But in a world where everyone can know everything all the time,
where is the progression?
Will companies be the way, or will all companies be automated?
If I'm, you know, when I want to come out to the here,
I've got to look for my flights.
I've got to look for my car.
I've got to get it all booked.
If I can just go to an AI, I want to be here at this time.
It's all done.
and I just turn up.
It's a bit like that film Wall-E, right?
There's no progression in the human experience
because the human experience is
you're given infinite progression
at the point you want it.
So I think about that.
I then think about,
I think a lot of the sci-fi
always comes true.
I saw yesterday,
like the Chinese have rolled out
this like hamster police robot thing
and I just saw immediately,
my son showed me,
I was like, Robocop.
and I can see a world of Terminator.
I can see, but I don't see it just like Terminator,
like robots would get,
but I do see a backlash against AI,
which will be a backlash against government.
If we see, I mean, certain industries we're seeing already,
the creative industry is under strain.
If you were a copywriter, you've lost work to AI.
Because I can go on to AI and I can say,
write me a manifesto for Bedford
in the voice of
George Washington
it's good
I can say
write me
an advertising copy
for my new whiskey brand
sound a bit like Jack Daniels but British
here it is
so copywriters are done
designers are done
because you can now just go to Mid Journey
and say design me a concept
but concepts all the front covers for our Royal Bedford magazines
is all for mid-journey.
I don't need a designer.
But more, I can vibe code the website.
I can vibe code the app.
If you're at university now in your first or second year
and you're learning computer programming,
every professor has a moral duty to go and say,
this course is now pointless.
Computer coding isn't about learning the code.
You don't need to know anymore.
It's about using the prompts and the tools to do it.
So I think about all these jobs that are going to go,
and whilst we're going to have more productivity through AI,
it's going to be concentrated wealth into the investors
and the owners and the creators of the AI companies.
What does that mean?
Are we going to see massive amounts of unemployment?
If we do, we will naturally see people.
We'll see civil disobedience.
We'll see protests.
Hollywood is no doubt going to have a right to strike
to protect extras and people's jobs.
And that will do a limited job because filmmaking will just go to territories which don't have that.
Will we see big boycotts of AI?
Will we see – I mean, it's just – we've gone through – there's a really great book called Engines That Move Markets.
And it talks about the invention of the railroad and what that meant for transportation and the invention of the telephone and what that meant for communications and the invention of the – I think it was the light bulb and what that meant for life.
that at night you could have life.
And I think about the additional chapters that would go in there.
Bitcoin would be one.
AI would be one.
I wonder what comes after AI.
Is AI the final revolution?
Is it the era?
Or do we have the space revolution?
Do we have the quantum revolution?
Biomedical, probably.
Yeah.
Something like that.
Yeah, space.
But AI, all of these are upstream.
I kind of think they're kind of downstream from AI.
because I don't think
I don't know if humans go into space
I think it might be robots
but the AI
is happening so fast
we haven't got time to adjust
with a railroad you have to build a railroad
it might take a year to connect
two towns and suddenly those towns
their market would
adjust because you could take product
from one to the other and it would be growth
it would be a new opportunity
and I don't know what it took
decades for us to have a mass amount of railroads and we could adjust.
Same with telephony. How many years did it take for the whole nation to be connected?
But this is going to happen so quick and the productivity gains
won't be spread evenly. It won't be spread well. It'll be
highly concentrated. And so I just think a lot about what this all means and what
going to happen and there's doom scenarios and there's opt yeah there's like optimistic scenarios
but i'm consuming everything i can all the time to make sure i i can at least be prepared for it
both for myself and my children but there are doom scenarios we need to talk about
not just the ai killing us the complete and utter fracture in a society
it's a long answer yeah what do you think the fourth turning thing you know the rise of populism
and i think but i think by the way the fourth turning was happening anyway with ai right without
it's just it's field of the fire right it's a turbocharger um what do you think so i think
a couple different things so i think that the new technology that we have is going to allow us to
no longer have to rely on other places for things. So I think that one of the most
under-talked about things about Bitcoin is the ability to load level on energy grids,
where what's happening right now is that you have ability for peak capacity.
and when you're not using it you're at baseload and there's a lot of times a lot of wasted energy
that just gets spent throughout the system and flushed because you don't have the demand for it
but you have to have the ability to go to peak demand and being able to take that excess stranded
or wasted energy and turn it into a valuable capital resource that allows you to build a grid
towards maximum capacity and greater and greater.
Okay.
So then if you do that, you've got a Bitcoin treasury that's given you some wealth.
You're able to build out local infrastructure instead of relying on global stuff.
Like in the States, the average food product travels like 1600 miles to get to somebody.
And it doesn't have to be like that.
Yeah.
Like it doesn't have to be like that, but everything's produced in the middle and sent
to the coast and all the fruits produced on the coast and sent to the middle.
you know all the and and and i you know i grew up in kansas i that's exactly what it is everything
leaves all of our food comes from all of our stuff at the grocery store either comes from
local meat or it's potatoes from idaho oranges from florida you know apples from washington
um so i think that you're going to see a resurgence of more local um type production of not just food
but kind of the entire infrastructure being changed out so that it's more compact.
And I actually think that that lowers the chance.
We're still going to have these conflicts.
We're still going to have these small scale skirmishes and people just don't get along.
But I think it lowers that because you're just more self-sufficient.
Like why do people go to war?
Typically they go to war because they're out of resources,
but they got a big stick and they want to go hit.
They're like, hey, if we hit you with our stick, we can take your shit.
But now if you don have the need I think that lowers it down um i i do i i teeter on it because i see the capabilities of
ai as being far beyond and above anything that humans are capable but for still haven't figured
out where the soul comes from and i don't know if you can put a soul in a machine you talk to a guy
with a hot rod and he says that there's a there's a soul in that 67 camaro yeah you know but is it
true so i don't i don't know um i'm kind of like you where i can't i can't see more than
i can't see more than like five years out and i think five years out is just everything is
different yeah it's it's a just because of the speed of change if you're using chat gpt and
mid-journey you're you can't help but notice the change and one of the big changes i saw recently
in chat gpt is when i use it all the time where it went from uh just answering my prompts to
taking uh um context from all my previous prompts yes yeah to feedback to this yes and so there was
a thing where i was talking about um you know how do i try and fix my town of bedford and it kind of
came back and said look you're already doing this you've got the football club you've got this
you're thinking about these things it was this whole new thing where it's like oh you get me now
You understand me.
You understand what I'm trying to do.
That was a big change.
And by the way, every time I try and get ChatGPT to do something new, it always performs.
Like I just – I put in the sales for the first two months from my coffee shop as a spreadsheet.
I said, just take a look at this.
Tell me what you think.
Came back with all these kind of – this analysis of the data, what we're selling, our margins, time of day.
And then it said, do you want some recommendations?
I'm like, yeah.
so well you need more people through the door
you know your gross profit's fine
like do you want to come up
some ideas I'm like yeah
and it just I mean this is great
to me this is good AI this is you
taking your current business and you make it
more productive it's coming up with ideas
it's solving things I love this
this is great
but that's
now and it's
what is it capable of in five years
and who do we not need because of that
what does it do to the legal profession?
What does it do to marketing?
It may be that we just decentralize the world more.
It may be that rather than having lots of big companies,
we don't need big companies,
so maybe on infrastructure, on hotels,
but we don't need big marketing companies anymore
and we'll have a million marketeers in the UK
all providing different services to the individual.
I don't know.
even Ray Dalio said I don't know
I can just
try and plan for outcomes
it's really hard to know
but I am
my concerns lie with
the people I worry about most
are
probably someone's 40 years old
they've worked for
20 years in an industry
they're making 80 grand a year
100 grand a year they've got their house
everything's good
and their entire industry is going to get wiped out.
And they're leveraged to the hill.
They're leveraged to the hill.
They've got a $600,000 mortgage and two car payments.
And they only know one thing, to do one thing.
Yep.
And you can retrain them.
What can you retrain to have 20 years of knowledge or straight away?
It's going to be something that's lower, that's more like go dig that ditch
because we haven't gotten a robot to figure out how to do that yet.
Yep.
You can't go be a lawyer because that's gone.
Maybe you're going to be a teacher.
That's one thing.
But you're not, you know, you're 80 to 100K.
You might be a two-salary household, both at risk.
That's who I worry about most.
I worry less around the 50-year-old because, I mean, I'm near 50,
and it's like, oh, have I saved enough?
I've probably saved enough.
I can just, and this is not every 50-year-old.
I'm generalizing here.
But, like, you can go, can I just kind of, like, edge towards retirement?
Yeah, limp across the finish line.
Yeah, limp across the finish line, and it will be what it will be.
I might not have the best healthcare, but I've had a good life.
I worry less around the 30-year-old because they maybe don't even own a home.
Maybe they still haven't had a chance to get in debt.
That's a really good point, actually.
That may be the saving grace for so many people,
that they just are so priced out of this market that they can't participate.
The 20-year-old, like my son, I don't worry about as much
because he's got choices and options, still lives with dad and figure it out.
but then I worry a little bit more about the 15 year old like my daughter or the 14 year old who's
tomorrow is going to have a careers session at the school and the careers advisor is no way as deep
down this rabbit hole as I am they're not thinking about as I am they might be sat there with a
computer answering questions said yeah you should go and work into marketing here's a marketing
degree and it's just like no that's a terrible fucking idea because that job's not going to exist
and it's six years away and blah blah blah and so I think we've really got I mean the whole
education system is going to have to change. And I don't think the education from five to like 10,
11, because just get the basics. People, kids should know math, English. Despite having super
computers, we still need to, we still need our brains to know how to compute. You should still
learn languages, even though you can have auto translation, you should train the brain.
But from like 11, 12 to 18, that's prep for life. And I think what are the skills that kids will need
to be prepared for life.
And it is critical thinking.
It is diving deep in economic theory.
It's diving deep into philosophy, into the arts,
into those things that just train the brain to be a brain that can prompt,
to be a brain that can create, to be a brain that can think.
And that's why I think a lot about my daughter right now.
We're not at that stage anywhere where you learn a skill.
There's some exceptions.
If you're going to be a doctor, and I don't believe we'll outsource all our medical guidance to AI.
I think you will always want a doctor on the side.
But if you're going to be a doctor, you need to go to university for seven years and train.
I get that.
If you want to be an engineer, you want to go to university.
It's a good thing, right?
We still need math experts.
You should go to university for that.
But all these bullshit degrees, which are about specific careers, I think they're just a waste of time now.
But I just don't know the shape of the world.
It's wild.
It's weird.
It also makes me think that we are in the simulation because essentially…
Housekeeping.
The universe is approximately 13.8 billion years old.
The series of events that had happened for you and I to be sat here
are so infinitely wild and so infinitely,
like the probability is so small it shouldn't have happened,
in that I had to decide to come to Singapore school when you were here.
Yes.
I had to have had created a podcast that you became aware of to know to come and say hello.
Okay, there's that.
But then you can go back to –
You had to be in the gym when I was in the sauna.
Yes.
Which was a weird time.
Yeah.
But then you go back and you go, well, you had to make all the life choices that you made to get here and I did.
But then your parents had to meet at that time and procreate at that time to create you.
And then you go through all the parents that made that happen.
And then you go through the entire evolution from this first life forms under the ocean.
And we should not exist.
One thing along that means we doesn't exist.
My conclusion to that has always been, well, we've always existed.
Okay.
And also, we're not living in the 1700s or 1000 BC.
we're living in 2025
and we're about
we're about to
we're going to live through probably
the arrival of the singularity
in that we will have quantum
AI
fusion
like every single technology
advancement will happen in our time and we will see what the
singularity will bring
and for that
you know I say 13.8 billion
I get to live at that moment
yeah fuck off come on why
why do we get to live at that moment so i believe we all get to live at a moment
because we are all the same and it's just a simulation i'm i mean like i'm fully in simulation
the oneness yeah no i just am i just yeah the the math checks out that makes a lot of do you know
who uh do you know steven c myers guy that wrote the god hypothesis and he's written a bunch of
stuff about like there being a intelligent creator and then basically trying to he basically like
compares DNA to code and says, look, it's just computer code.
It's just better than our code.
Just more elegant computer code than we have.
And by the way, it kind of makes sense that if there was a God,
that he would create us in his image because look what we do.
We made robots and they look like us.
Also, quantum.
Quantum's weird.
Yes.
The quantum world is super.
I mean, what is Spinesan said?
It's spooky.
Spooky.
Yeah.
Something at a distance.
Yes.
that there can be two connected particles at different lengths of the universe that are connected.
That, to me, is a computer program.
Yep.
Quantum is a computer program.
Yep.
That something, when you observe, it changes.
It's a bit like, you know when you play Grand Theft Auto?
The world is built for you as you go, but the entire world doesn't exist at the same time.
Yes.
We can see this world, but beyond those trees, it doesn't exist.
but as you drive over those trees it exists that's essentially what quantum is and so
does the world exist back home at the moment or will it exist on the other side of that door
yeah right like it might exist when i open it yeah um now actually i do believe it all exists
at the same time because i can call my door and maybe we aren't in simulation but but maybe we are
the math checks out the math checks out you know the the hypothesis that if you can create
fortnight how many fortnight worlds are spun up every day millions by kids all around the world
constantly millions and millions and millions so the thesis does play out computers advance
thousand years from now you could recreate this so why wouldn't you create this i always i always
fuck my son with this one because he blows his mind i was like do you know the best thing about
simulation theory.
It's like, well, yesterday might not have happened.
It's like, well, no, it did.
I was like, no, but it might not have.
He's like, what do you mean it might not have?
It did.
I was there.
I was like, you think you were there,
but you might have woke up today,
and today is the start of the simulation.
And everything that you think happened
is just programmed into what's happened.
He's like, fuck off, Dad.
I don't know, man.
There's a lot of weird stuff to think about.
I also think sometimes you can get drawn into the thing about
these weird theses and fall for them and actually we are just in this random
ball of mud spinning around a hot nuclear reactor i think both can be true yeah i think i i really
do think both can be true like it you can sit there and you can spin out thinking about all
that stuff like every corner i turn there's a million hollywood people just resetting the set
and all of a sudden they disappear like the true show and uh or it could just be that you know what
I really need to do is just go down to the gym, do bench press, not worry about shit. And things
are going to be better that way. You know, it's Yeah, it throws you for especially when you're
like me, I can grew up on this little farm, I thought I was just this tiny little person
in this giant world, thought I would never matter not be significant at all. And then to come and
and be like, you know, I think I'm just like everybody else.
I'm pretty sure that we only differentiate ourselves
off the choices that we make,
which is basically like the moves that you play in the game.
I don't know.
So there's some good players out there.
Yeah, I don't know.
The older I get, the more introverted I get,
and the less I care.
Yep.
I just don't care.
I just want to, because you don't,
I don't know if I'll die in an hour, a day, a year, 10 years, 30 years.
And I just don't want to let too much self-stress anymore.
I've had stressful periods in my life.
I just don't want to stress anymore.
I just want to enjoy my time and try and leave every bit of the world that I touch a bit better than it was before.
So if someone's getting stressed, just try and say it doesn't matter.
Like my son, he can get really angry over the littlest things.
I'm like, Connor, it doesn't matter.
These things don't matter.
But yeah, I'm just...
Here we are, man.
A lot of people don't get to do stuff like this.
We're very fortunate.
By the way, did I say this?
Have you watched The Last of Us?
No, but you're the fourth person in the last day to mention that.
I feel like I'm on the set of The Last of Us.
It's wild.
I have the saying that nobody moves to an empty hotel on a fake island
in a ghost city with a real billionaire trying to restart society
because they're on a consecutive streak of perfect decisions.
They're like, you do.
You just got to look around and be like,
I don't know how I ended up here, but it's not bad.
When we first got here, me and Connor were like,
because we turned up and we're like, this is weird.
Why are we here?
I think we fucked up.
i had the same thought when i came here yeah and now we're three days in i'm like one i don't want
to go to one when i come back yep and i just want to come and have a month here and just reset every
part of me i can't because i've got too much work to do but i i would like to but it does feel like
the set of the last of us i could totally see zombies running around yeah the first thing i did
when i they put me they asked me to run man camp was uh i tried to figure out how we could get
paintball guns so we could have war games.
I was like, this would be
perfect.
It's 100 people, a team, across the island.
Yep. Just go after it.
Let's see. Do you mind if I
got a couple more?
What else do we have here?
Oh, okay.
Wealth. You've built some.
You have
something to take care of. You have
something to look after.
One of the advertisements on your podcast
is a Bitcoin inheritance company.
When I met you, you talked about how you're bringing your son along on these trips now because you realize that due to his position of being your son, he's likely to come into some wealth.
And you want him to be prepared and armed for that world so that he does well with it.
So when you think about Connor, what do you want for him in life?
where like if if you were to like which you're looking at all these different scenarios and all
these different trails all these different routes and you're like i wish he'd go down that one i you
know obviously you're not going to push him or anything but you're like if he went that way that
would make me feel like he has the best chance of being very living a good life yeah whatever
whatever that means.
No, so I don't think about it like that.
I don't think about
the route I want to push him down.
Yeah.
I think more about
him seeing enough routes
to find the one he wants to go down.
Yeah.
Look, he's
he's fortunate in many ways
because he's 21 years old
and this year he's been to New York
at a board meeting with the Winklevoss.
Now he's here in
Malaysia seeing this project.
He's fortunate to see those things.
But at the same time, we're not the same person at all.
He's not as intense as I am.
He doesn't work as hard as I do.
Although he's working harder these days,
but he's just not dialed into the same things I am for the same reasons.
And so you can't make your child become you.
They either become similar because they want to,
or they just turn their own way out.
You know, some super successful smart people have degenerate kids who become drug addicts.
Some super degenerate parents who are drug addicts have kids who become super successful.
Like any scenario is possible.
I just want him to see, I want him to see enough to be able to find what is right for him.
And right now it's producing a podcast.
What it will become in five, ten years, we don't know.
Because again, the world is changing.
um most i think i think most of all the things and the reason i take him everywhere with me
is i want him to meet as many people as possible experience as much as you can in life to shape
uh a like an intelligent empathetic good human who able to make good decisions because there come a time when I don exist and almost certainly be before him and same with his sister and there will be an inheritance left and you know I not I not crazy wealthy bitcoiner but Connor might be one day because of the growth of bitcoin yeah
and it's understanding the responsibility for that we we don't live a wild life we have a nice house
we go on holiday twice a year
but we don't live a crazy life
I'm in shorts and trainers
and a deftone city
and we give a lot of money away
locally, we probably give away
£150,000, £200,000 a year
not just our wealth, we collect
it in and
we fund
so we've just done
for the football club a £25,000
to go up to local schools to buy football equipment
we've given £25,000 each
to do different youth football clubs to buy kit and equipment.
We have a fund we set up in Bedford where we've given away
around 20, 25 grand a year to young kids who are exceptional
at certain sports or want to set up a business.
And so that's the most important thing.
It's like altruistic behavior.
and it's trying to help him understand that you can buy a Ferrari when I'm gone
or for the cost of that Ferrari, you can change 20 kids' lives
by funding them 15,000 pounds to start a business or whatever.
And so it's trying to help him understand the responsibility of an inheritance
because that inheritance...
I think the
40%
I might have these numbers wrong
but 40% of
inheritance is
gone in three generations
I would be surprised if it's not higher
yeah it's how do you teach
how do you create something
because they talk about Bitcoin as generational wealth
how do you teach something where
every generation
you've got at least as much as last time
or more and so you can do more good
or more bad
but like how do i how do i prepare connor for that responsibility and and not only that he knows how
to prepare his child for that responsibility and he that child knows how to prepare that child how
do you have this uh legacy through the bloodline that creates more good in the world and so it
sounds like honestly it sounds really wanky saying like that but like i i know a lot of
kind of think like that as well yeah they talk about when i hear about say people criticize
wealth people say oh they just hoard wealth not they do but they do it for a reason so that great
wealth creates more wealth so they can do good stuff with it like every rich person i know and
i know some people are really rich do good stuff they fund schools they start businesses they fund
entrepreneurs if you just take that away suddenly they're going to do less of that and so you have
you have to trust rich people with money.
You have to trust wealthy people with money.
And yes, you'll get some degenerate wealthy people
who just buy Ferraris and do cocaine and sleep with hookers, of course.
But the majority of wealthy people I know are altruistic
and do a lot of good stuff.
And so you've got to trust them with that capital
because they're way better at it than the government are.
And so, yeah, it's just giving Conor the life experiences
so he knows what to do.
A little bit of selfishness with a little bit of altruism.
too much altruism you won't have anything left too much selfishness you won't do enough good
like what is the right balance and so i think about that a lot and my daughter her journey on
this will start in the next year to three years and it will be the same and i can sit in a rocking
chair listen to elephant change read a book sip of whiskey and taxing tax and rich people
for their money is kind of like tax and fit people for their muscles in a lot of ways yeah that's
what happened to me you got taxed i got taxed yeah the council got to you yeah look i'm not
anti-tax i think you gotta have some i'm just not an act look i get the the theoretical framework
that anarcho-capitalists have that you can't have the state without socialism you can't have
socialism about the state and blah blah i get i get everything they're saying i just think the
state is a natural monopoly even here if there was no government here you would build government
here what would happen is you would need a hierarchy and rules and decision making
and then you probably want a constitution to protect against some kind of corruption and then
you'd want to vote so whenever you want to get rid of government it will rebuild itself with high
densities of humans it's just the way it is you want safety protection rules blah blah blah
freedom for me is
is
the ability
to make decisions freely
within a moral
and legal framework
so for example
I think the US Constitution
enshrines freedom
it gives freedom
it codifies freedom into the law
could be better
but it does
and
And so if you come to that acceptance, I come to the acceptance that there is a certain amount of tax needed to pay for certain things.
What we've got in the UK is a butchered version of that.
We have backdoor socialism.
The state essentially owns the means of production because we're so highly regulated, highly taxed, and there's so much control over our speech.
You essentially play ball to be able to earn.
but the government might not own 51% or 50% of the company,
but they own more than 50% of the productivity.
So it's back to socialism.
Whatever people own, that's not real socialism.
It's the same.
The outcome is exactly the same.
And like any government, typically they can't live within their means.
They're spending more than they have.
So they're talking about tax more.
And then we're talking about wealth tax in the UK.
We've had 16,500 millionaires leave the UK in the last year.
how many, how much more taxes I put on middle-class people to cover that?
They want to introduce a wealth tax, a 2% wealth tax.
All the socialists are like, you greedy millionaires, blah, blah, blah.
They demonize the wealth.
And it's stupidity.
You have to get over your emotional ideology and accept the world is uneven
and you will have poverty and extreme wealth.
The only way to get rid of that is make everyone the same,
which is communism.
We know that doesn't work.
And so we just need to have a balancing system.
Right now, the top 1% pay the 30% of the tax in the UK.
Top 10% pay 60%.
They're paying their way.
The riches are paying their way.
Let's not laugh or curve them out of the country.
And let's not demonize them.
Let's celebrate them.
And let's create real wealth by creating jobs.
Can I remember the original question?
No, that's where we went.
That's where we were going with it.
I watched another one of your podcasts last night.
I was falling asleep to it.
You had a guy on there who was an Iran-Israel subject matter expert.
Oh, for Asmodad.
Yeah, I think that's it.
And he was talking about the pizza indicator.
What is it called?
The pizza indicator and the gay bar indicator?
Yeah.
So around the Pentagon, when something's happening, pizza sales go up and revenue at gay strip bars goes down.
Goes down.
Yeah.
I laughed so hard.
I stopped it and I rewound it
and I stopped it and I laughed so hard.
He's Jesus.
What makes you laugh? What are the things that you find funny?
What gets you busting out?
I mean...
There's many types of laughter, right?
There is the
genuine laugh out loud funny
which is Louis C.K.
Louis C.K. makes me die with laughter.
I think he's so smart and funny.
But then there was like that dark laughter where you're just laughing
at the stupidity of things.
The stupidity of our politicians makes me laugh.
I'm like, what the fuck is going on here?
That kind of weird kind of – it's almost like a coke laughter.
Because otherwise you'd cry.
Yeah, because you would cry.
but if you're on about just like entertainment
laughter I can
Louis C.K. all day every day
I just put
on YouTube I put on
a mix of his funniest sketches
he tells the
most simple things in such a funny way
he tells this story
anyone listening should go and dig this out
we rent a car and he returns it
to the airport and he doesn't have time to get
to the rental place
so he just leaves it outside
the airport.
And they said they phoned him up
and he said, yeah, I've just left it outside the airport.
And they're like, oh, well, you can't do that.
He's like, well, I have. But the way
he tells it is so funny.
If I tell you that story, it's not funny. No one's laughing.
He just has a
delivery mechanism to make that hilarious.
I love Louis C.K.
I don't think we get funny films anymore.
Not since
about 2012. Tropic Thunder.
I remember when I was a kid,
a youngster, we got
Road Trip
and American Pie
and it was the right kind of stupid human for my age
because I was a similar age
and we went through that period of like
This Is 40 and
The 40 Year Old Virgin
and that stuff was funny
and I can't remember a film that's made me laugh recently
comedy isn't funny anymore
but I like stand up
my kids make me laugh
they're so fucking mean to me
honestly that's so fucking mean to me coming at the king yeah
man i really appreciate you thank you thank you so much i've taken i've taken a lot of your time
i don't like doing very valuable man this is awesome i don't think i've had any insights i'm
not uh i don't like being interviewed but this is fun this is fun i'm glad i made a new friend
on this trip yeah me too like this is this is really cool this is what i was looking for when
I came here was I'm, I'm a dumb guy. I'm going to go hang out and just some smart people are
going to walk by. Eventually I'm going to say hi to them. I made a career out being that guy.
Yeah, exactly. That's what you said. Dumb guy with a mic.
Yeah. What's, uh, before I let you go, what's, uh, what's one question I didn't ask you? What's
one thing that you're thinking about that we didn't talk about that's important?
I'm thinking about the 101 questions to ask before you get engaged.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That might've stopped me being divorced.
101. I, I've, I've just started, I just started reading it. I'm, I'm single.
i've never been married no kids and i come from a big family they're way too long yeah i know
that's that's the thing is i always i was always playing music full time i was working full time
and so i had this talk about like the superhero thing like i had an alter ego like i was the guy
that showed up at the bank and then i went and got on a tour bus and i never had time to wash
my underwear or mow my lawn and then everybody else starts having kids and i look around and
All my guy friends, they're like getting married, kids, amazing.
And it just changed them all for the better.
Yeah, I mean, it does.
I mean, my date advice to people these days is do not use the apps.
The problem with the apps is like having been in love, love is never a physical thing.
It is a, to me, it was a connection when you finally connect.
and that you know it can happen to some people very quickly and some people takes time but it's
purely a connection um and also with the apps you you're not you get so much more from just seeing
someone in a cafe and going to my girlfriend i met at the football club she came in and i asked
her out and so fuck the apps um and and don't look for don't look for what you think perfection is
just find someone who makes you laugh and spend time with that person and get to know them but
you're going to get you're going to do the children the other end i'm about finished my shift
yeah you got them young i got to be the young unwise dad you get to be the the older wise dad
so i ran around a bit more with them and you'll get to like you'll get to lay a wisdom onto them
for years but don't wait too long i went home my dad got cancer and i went home to kind of help out
there and during that time when your parents start to go downhill you stop looking at them as the
unfallible parent you start seeing the child that they are that just is in an older body yes and it
made me appreciate so much what a good father he was like just we didn't have a whole lot all that
stuff but i never wanted for anything nobody beat my ass like i mean there's a lot of there's a lot
of good and just thinking about that and being like man to be able to share that with somebody
because i know that seeing you and connor around here it's like it appears this guy is your best
friend yeah kind of although you've got to be careful about being you got to maintain that
you got to maintain that thing less so now he's like 21 right but you you know when people are
like they're 10 year old that's my best friend i'm like what the fuck are you on about that's
a title that's not your best friend if anybody else said that like this 10 year old boy is my
best friend you'd be like arrest that man yeah but like if even you know you just hear people say
it's like my best friend,
that's not your best friend,
it's your child.
You don't treat him like a best friend,
you treat him like a child,
which basically means
you have to do things
that they think are mean
that are right for them.
Like my daughter messaged me the other day,
she wants to go to London
to a concert with her friends.
I'm like, absolutely fucking not,
you're 15.
You can go with me,
I'll drive you,
I'll wait outside,
I'll pick you up and take you home.
London's a dangerous fucking place,
it's not happening.
Oh, you're so mean,
I don't give a fucking shit,
these are the rules.
Once they become an adult
and they pay their way,
and he pays his way,
he pays rent,
he buys me a beer occasionally
he pays for dinner sometimes
we can be friends now and we can have that
but I'm still a dad, I've still got to
put guidance onto him
and help him make better decisions
honestly it's the most beautiful thing
working with your son
it's great, it's awesome
I recommend anyone do it
yeah it's cool, I love it
it's a hell of a transition
the 15 year old skateboard rocker
do I look much different?
I'm just fatter and greyer
I would still skateboard if I could.
Peter, thank you so much.
Tell everybody where to find you.
Anything you want to tell them.
Yeah, find me.
My show's called The Pete McCormack Show.
It's very UK-centric.
Go check that out.
And I own a football club called Rail Bedford.
Go check that out.
Bye so much.
And let's go and get rid of this belly.
Thanks, Lucas.
Dude, absolute clip or magnet, whatever you like.
I'll just get to that.
Where do you want to do it?
On the belt?
Yeah, on the balcony, if that's all right.
Do you mind if I take a photo?
Hell yeah, of course.
This view alone makes me want to come and stay here again a little bit more.
Well, I'll be honest.
I hate the weather, but I like the view.
Because it's too humid?
It's too fucking humid.
Well, and I grew up in Kansas.
Kansas is a semi-arid desert.
And so it's like 12% humidity there.
And it's like 80% here.
How often does it rain?
Not enough.
About every...
During the rainy season, about every...
I'd say three out of every four.
Do we need to sit next to each other for this to work?
We might, actually. Are you okay with that?
Yeah, of course.
I didn't have anything better.
I want to flip this.
Can I flip it?
Yeah.
Yeah, then we'll just back this up.
Actually, I think that'll work really well.
if you twist it a little bit then it doesn't look like we're holding hands
the 5 a.m club yeah is that the people who start their day at 5 a.m yeah see i used to do shit like
that but my problem i get tired how old are you 41 yeah i'm 46 in the last few years i've started
to feel the tiredness yeah i i started to feel it in the last two yeah and i got my t levels checked
and they were way off the they were way too fucking low see somebody else told me to get
those checked yeah so that's i mean that was the big thing and so that's what started me down this
kind of path of like all the stuff i teach in man camp which is like get your ass out of bed
go move get sunlight get fresh air get that early morning early morning sun frequency that's going
to trigger the melatonin release later on it's going to be the thing that helps you fall asleep
Once you get out of that, though, it's hard to get back in.
I think we're live.
Let's go.
All right.
Yeah, I wrote down like five questions to try and kind of lead into.
I assume you're okay taking them off the cuff.
Whatever, man.
We'll do whatever you want.
What have you?
I think this is one of the coolest places I've ever done a podcast.
Even better is that it's always in shade during the day.
so it's perfect right yeah so you come back you come be my neighbor your listeners your viewers
can't see what we can see but we're looking out a balcony we can see a beautiful beach
lovely turquoise water yeah why do i live in bedford
yes that's what you need why do i live in a high-tax socialist state yeah all right let's