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Here we are back again at the kitchen table of knowledge, huddling away from a supposed

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Midwestern cold storm of record, which we seem to have two to three times a year.

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Always the worst in history.

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And thankfully, we're warm, we're safe, we're well fed, showered, well slept as a result

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of tools.

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and the technology that enables those tools

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and allows us to have the convenience

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and the comfort of modern life.

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Yet we find ourselves sitting at this table

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to discuss just that, the nature of technology

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and how it shapes our lives,

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how it affects our lives, how it changes us,

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and to perhaps break ourselves away from

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to perhaps break ourselves away from this presumed idea that the things around us are

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agnostic, that the hammer is only a weapon of violence when I have the intent to use it with

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violence. And it's a tool of building an achievement when I choose to hammer in a nail.

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That's always been my contention, at least since I put thought to it. But today we're here to

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discuss Martin Heidegger and his thoughts surrounding this subject. So Grant is going to

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open this up for us, kind of present and lay out the case made by Heidegger.

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Kind of. We're going to lay it out in the only way possible, which is in dialogue. I mean,

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I think that's the only way you can do philosophy. It starts with Socrates that way, it has a dialogue.

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And this is going to be just a dialogue to help us understand the question concerning technology, an essay by Martin Heidegger.

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And to hope anybody who's listening along, you'll also come to greater understanding.

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We're reading it because we're also reading Crypto Sovereignty by Eric Kaysen.

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And then you get to chapter 14 towards the end, 16.

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And he says, before you go further, you really need to understand Martin Heidegger on technology.

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And he says to read the question concerning technology. So proceeding at pace, then we pick this up. Martin Heidegger within philosophy, just a seminal figure in 20th century philosophy, a real heavy hitter who renewed the way that we talked about philosophy and thought about philosophy.

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a reputation for being very dense for inventing terminology for focusing very specifically like

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on the etymology of words as far as influencing their meaning and so doing some like going back

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to the greek where a lot of philosophizing comes from and he's german he's writing in german

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talking about the the meat the roots of these german words that we now use but where do these

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roots come from what does that mean for the ways that we used to live and used to employ these terms

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So we're going to walk through this step by step, see what we can learn from it, see how we can apply it to Bitcoin.

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And then next week, we'll proceed on to see how Eric Kasin uses the question concerning technology to help explain the kind of Bitcoin within his theories.

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So the question concerning technology, what type of philosophizing would we be doing here?

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So for Heidegger, how he starts this essay, questioning is about building a way.

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When we talked about Nick Land, he had talked about philosophy as an initiation into thought. For Heidegger, he says, questioning is about building a way, a way that leads through language. What he's going to try to do in this essay, he says, as we question technology, is open up a free relationship to technology.

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We're going to talk about what that even means to have a free relationship to technology,

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a relationship really to the essence of technology.

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We're going to try to find a way then to get to the essence of technology leading through

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language.

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The question concerning technology, we might say then, that question is, what is the way

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to understand the essence of technology?

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And first, so we have to talk about what is the essence of a thing?

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That's a very philosophical way of accounting for something.

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but maybe think of it this way is how heidegger talks about it like what's the essence of a tree

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you want to know the essence of a tree you don't talk about a specific elm tree an oak tree a cedar

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or a pine any one particular tree does not hold all of the essence of a tree the essence is

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some broader thing that all trees are so if you want to know the essence of technology we're not

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going to look at particular examine particular existing pieces of technology don't look at

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planes and cars and power lines and stuff to get to the essence of it heidegger points out kind of

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counterintuitively the essence of technology is nothing technological he kind of starts that way

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and it kind of has this sound a contradiction or paradox which is a good place to begin with

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philosophy because um digging into that we're to get traction on something that seems confusing

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uh so again this is philosophy the essence of technology is not technological this is

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to talk about the essence of technology is the domain of philosophers everybody's welcome here

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you don't have to be a tech a developer a coder an engineer you can be those things and also

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philosophize about technology but we all have an encounter with whatever modern technology is

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And so we all have something. This is going to speak to all of us if Heidegger does this correctly. And I think he does. So hopefully we can get that out. One common or definition. So beginning to look at the essence of technology, like a common way that we think about it or define it maybe is technology is a tool.

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As you start off in the introduction, Lucas, technology is a means to an end to go even more general than tool.

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It's something that helps you achieve a purpose that you set out to achieve.

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It's a human activity that does that.

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So when we consider technology in that way, it presents as neutral, as you said, kind of agnostic relation.

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It's only a means to an end.

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You have an end, so you invent technology as the most efficient way to bring that about.

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if that's your model, which is kind of the default model of technology, I have something I need. I'm

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going to invent a tool, a technology to help me get it in a more efficient way. It seems like then

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the only questions we can ask ourselves are like technical ones. How can we do this better,

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more efficiently? How can we master our tools, wield technology better? So that's where Heidegger

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begins. And he says, this definition is correct. This is like, it is the common accounting we give

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of technology, but we're going to do philosophizing here. So Heidegger says, we're going to start with

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the correct and move toward the true. We're going to try to find the deeper thing that maybe shows

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how a correct definition of technology is not a full definition. It doesn't get at the deeper

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truth of what the essence of technology is. So even looking at the correct definition of

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technology as a tool and an instrument, we need to get deeper than that. We need to go deeper.

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And the first step he does in going deeper in this essay is to talk about, I mean, what is a means to

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an end? It's as a logical relation, it's cause and effect. You have an effect and you have something

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you make to be the cause to that effect. And Heidegger goes deep into the first part of this

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essay. It's interesting if you want to see how philosophers talk about cause and effect. He talks

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about Aristotle having four ways of conceiving of that. And the key from that discussion, I think,

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is just that the cause is responsible for a thing becoming a free object in the world

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that then beams forth its essence. And I'll get this out, and I want to talk about this,

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because this, I think, is one of, for me, a psychedelic part of this essay. And by psychedelic,

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I just mean that it's going to hopefully change your perception of the world around you, which is populated by objects.

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So if we say that technology is about a means to an end, and a means to an end is a cause-effect relationship,

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and causing is about being responsible for bringing an object into the world,

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what does it mean when the object is in the world?

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And this is where Heidegger really does a beautiful job talking about objects, something just so basic.

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So an object that is brought forth in the world beams forth its essence.

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It's kind of focused on being as a verb here, to be, right?

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The activity of enduring through time.

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An object in the world, we tend to have this kind of passive accounting of the things around us.

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All the objects kind of recede from us.

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They're in the background.

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They're just there, but in a very passive sense, only there when we need them, really.

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But don't think of it that way.

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For Heidegger, an object in the world shines forth its essence.

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It is presenting itself as a verb, presencing, he says, the constant presencing of a thing

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that is present.

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So it's not just being present, but this book is presencing as, you know, it's very fully

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and really in the world apart from us doing its book thing.

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So again, passively is how we use,

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but practically we usually regard it kind of passively,

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objects in the background where they're invisible to us.

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But if we begin to think about it like Heidegger,

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maybe things now become more visible.

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These objects in the world, they're shining forth, presencing.

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a free relationship towards something, free from us in a sense,

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free from what we impose on objects, free from our own desires, designs, purposes for the thing.

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So this is kind of the very basic kind of ground laying to where we're going to go a lot further

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than this. But has all that made sense so far? Technology is a means to an end. Means to an end

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is causal relationship. And causation is bringing an object into the world. An object being in the

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world is a very full and independent thing. And it's about being in the world as like an activity.

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Yeah. So to kind of go backwards, maybe, I guess I'd look here and I see the bookshelf that is

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actively bookshelving. It's doing its bookshelf thing, holding up books. The cup is cupping.

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It's holding my coffee. There's a bottle over there and it's bottling.

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But even more than cupping, it's being a cup beyond our perp.

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For us, it's cupping.

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Like we see it only as cupping, right?

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Because that's what it does for us.

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But it does something more than that.

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Our perception of what it does for us, the bookshelf bookshelving, doesn't exhaust everything that that bookshelf is.

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It is an object aside and apart from our designs and purposes too.

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how is it aside and apart from our designs and purposes if it would not exist without us

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yeah and that this kind of does go into so when he talks about aristotle discussing cause and effect

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there's four ways that aristotle talks about causing things there is both that efficient

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cause that's one way we brought this into the world so that's that we are the maker that's the

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The only reason you hear bookshelf is because of us.

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There's also what Aristotle called kind of final cause, the telos, the teleology of the bookshelf.

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That's the purpose.

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That also kind of explains why it's here.

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We needed this to hold the books.

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And so it's here.

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We built it for that purpose.

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But there's two other kinds of causation.

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There's also material and formal cause.

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The matter is like whatever woodish substance that you get from Ikea, right?

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Cardboard.

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The finest European card.

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And the so that's the material cause is kind of caused by its matter.

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In a sense, the matter is responsible for being here just as much as we are.

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Right. We caused it by building it.

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But the matter is also causing it to endure, to presence, to exist.

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The form is also causing it.

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It's tough to imagine matter and form apart from each other.

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But imagine maybe abstractly the form, the shape that the matter takes is also in keeping it here as an object.

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If it's in a different form, it's no longer a bookshelf as an object.

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It's a heap on the ground or it's still in the tree or something like that.

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So you have material, formal, efficient and final cause.

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So there are ways of reckoning the causation, the responsibility for this being here.

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That's a bit aside from human purposive endeavor, if that makes sense.

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So like a boulder is the matter.

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But the rock is the matter.

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The rock is the matter.

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And the boulder.

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And the sculpture that I make from it is the form.

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But that form existed prior to me using my chisel on it.

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It was always in there.

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So I think maybe that just makes me think about humans and our ability to transform ourselves into something.

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to become a great father, to become a great guitar player, to become a great athlete

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that was always within that person. And that, you know, the person themselves is the matter,

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but the shaping of that person, the practice and the diligence and the

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um deliberateness that they practice whatever it is that makes them that final form that was always

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within them it's kind of easier to regard ourselves as independent objects in the world that have

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an independence from other people and other objects but so imagine the bookshelf in the

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same way as the person having that independence of unfolding and revealing that doesn't exhaust

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itself in the same way another person doesn't exhaust itself i can only learn so much in a

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conversation about lucas of who lucas is there's always going to be something that withdraws from

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my perception that doesn't reveal itself um the the bookshelf is the same way now i mean it's not

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the same in that it doesn't have an interiority right we don't know it does we don't think it

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does it doesn't think bookshelf thoughts but heidegger at least wants to get us i think as

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develop a free relationship to the bookshelf to try to begin to regard things as they are apart

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from us. So maybe to help us do this a bit more, he begins to talk about, I said he's really

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conscious of the etymology of words, where they come from, and also just kind of the old practices

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that we once had relating to those words. So he looks back to the Greek ideas of poesis,

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or poesis or poesis

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poesis, we'll say

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the word is like poetry

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that's where you get poetry

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poesis and physis

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physical, right?

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poesis and physis

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these are both ways

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of bringing forth

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an independent object

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into the world

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that shines forth

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that reveals something

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that presences

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they're both human practice

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they're both practices

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they're both ways

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of revealing of a thing

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um and you you gave the idea of the sculptor revealing i mean that's a great example that's

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a way in which something object reveals itself in the world um we're going to talk a little bit

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uh about police let's all just get into that um we're considering the essence of technology we

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began with the correct definition of technology as an instrument a means to an end um

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in analyzing that heidegger finds that the cause is about bringing an object in the world that

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shines forth, beams its presence, which is revealing a thing. This brings us to what's

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important about that. So if we already have a correct definition, then what more do we need?

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We want to get to the truth, though, so Heidegger says, and he looks at the root of truth as well.

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Aletheia is the Greek word, one of the Greek words for truth, and that's lethe, which is

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forgetting the river lethe, people might have heard of, was a river in Hades in myth,

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where if you drank from it, you forgot your past life,

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so you could be reincarnated anew or something like that.

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anormal, not normal.

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So aletheia, the negation of forgetting, is what truth is.

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Is the negation of forgetting remembering?

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Remembering, but it's also embedded within that Greek word,

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it also has the meaning of,

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forgetting has the meaning of concealing.

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And so Heidegger goes with that kind of etymological strand

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and says it's unconcealing or revealing.

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The truth is about revealing, removing from concealment.

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So aletheia truth is about that.

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So let's look at poesis then.

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If poesis is the activity of bringing forth an object in the world

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to reveal it, allow itself to begin this object,

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to shine forth and reveal things about it,

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it's different than physis.

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So physis is the way that nature reveals itself.

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A seed that you plant grows, it blossoms, it reveals in a way apart from human action.

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I mean, we can be involved in that process, but it's not necessary.

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Physus is a blossoming from inherent natural processes.

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Poesis is poetry, again, we say the poetic making of the artist or craftsman who use

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techne, which is art or craft, the activity of the craftsman to bring that object into

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the world.

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So physis, a natural bringing about of an object into the world so it can reveal itself.

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Poesis, the poetic revealing, the poetic making through the artist or craftsman using techne, art or craft, their activity to bring something into the world.

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And just to give an example so that kind of makes sense, techne for the Greeks was a form of knowing.

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It's what the craftsman knows and how they come to know through their activity.

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So the carpenter, through the techne of carpentry, the full art or skill of working with wood, they come to learn things about the wood.

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The wood reveals itself to the carpenter in a way that whatever industrial process made this bookshelf did not reveal anything to the machines.

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The carpenter learns about the qualities of the wood, how it splinters, what the grain is, what are good woods to use.

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they learn through their techne as they engage in poesis the act of making and bringing something

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into the world a lot of things the object reveals a lot to them so when you have a skill

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you uncover or reveal many things through the operation of your skill the great chef knows a

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lot of things about ingredients that we don't know about the ingredients even as we enjoy the final

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dish um does that make sense as far as like poesis as a form of revealing and then physics as

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different i guess so if physics is natural then poesis is unnatural

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natural and unnatural or you could look at it that way just reminding ourselves of course that

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humans are natural and heidegger's not gonna really die on that hill of saying it's unnatural

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i guess the poesis would be natural only to humans and physics would be natural to

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the world around yeah is there a through line for cause and effect i know i'm going backwards

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just a little bit but is there a

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is the effect always to save time

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so we started off with technology as a means to an end and that's how we got to causation yeah

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is the end always to save time.

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So what do you mean by that?

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So I have the combine to harvest wheat

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because it saves time versus hand threshing.

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I have the hammer to pound in nails

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because it saves time versus hand shaping a peg to go in there I mean there are other benefits but the common

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I guess what I'm looking at is like,

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when we think about Bitcoin and we go back to like Bitcoin is time by Dr. Gigi,

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then we, and we also pair that with, you know,

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what is the only thing that we can out and make more of?

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and technically we could make more bitcoin if we really wanted to but we can't make more time

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and so we only have one truly finite resource um so i guess yeah i'm just curious if all of

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technology has a common end yeah that's a great question we're talking about the essence of

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technology so um we do want to know the answer to that question and that's kind of the direction of

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this essay we're going to see what all of modern technology is oriented towards heidegger is going

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to end up framing it a bit different than the saving of time but i think you could probably

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cash it out in those terms and just to draw that line so technology as techne is a form of aletheia

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so it is a form of truth it is a form of revealing of things in the world by bringing up the bookshelf

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does reveal itself to us in certain ways.

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I mean, I said it's limited, but it does reveal itself.

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And so you're right to begin asking these questions.

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Technology for Heidegger is a mode of revealing.

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We're just going to see here in the question concerning technology,

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the limitations of that revealing and kind of what it means

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for how we should think about technology.

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So we're questioning concerning the essence of technology.

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we've arrived at technology as a mode of revealing as a form of poetic creation,

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creation using art and craft or technique.

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But Heidegger, what he's really considering in this essay is modern technology.

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So that's kind of where we're going to go.

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Modern technology, Heidegger says, reveals in a way that's different than the craftsperson,

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than that carpenter we talked about, who reveals a table from wood or the sculptor

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revealing the sculpture that's pregnant in the marble modern technology heidegger says is a

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challenging revealing um we seek through modern technology not to reveal not as an expression of

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techne not as the carpenter working with different types of wood learning the best way to express

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that wood in the final product but only toward one ultimate end and this is what you're getting at

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um for heidegger maybe not he doesn't frame it as to save time but i think you could again

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to re-describe this in that way. He says, the challenging revealing of modern technology is to

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demand energy from the thing that we're working, the technology operates on, in order to extract

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and then store that energy. That's what all of modern technology is oriented towards for Heidegger.

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I mean, and, you know, proof of work is as much about energy as time. So this is, you're right

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to make that connection um we modern technology is a challenging revealing of objects by demanding

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the energy from them extracting that and then storing that energy which is different than again

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in the poetic revealing of the carpenter who learns in the technique that they use when they're

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revealing the thing because again it's about extracting demanding isolating the attitude

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toward the substance is different.

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So the objects are now revealed

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through a challenging revealing

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that seeks only their energy.

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The earth is revealed as a coal mining area.

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The soil is revealed as a mineral deposit.

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The peasant maybe used to be the steward of the land

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who puts the seed in the soil,

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that cultivates it,

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they even rely on the physis of the seed,

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this sort of natural growing in their cultivation.

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Now we consider that an operation of nitrogen

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and phosphates, and then we manipulate even the physis of the seed through GMO, through

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genetic modification.

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Mechanized agriculture is about challenging the soil, demanding from the soil that it

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reveal itself as an energy source for us.

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Does that make sense?

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Yeah, the farmers that I used to work with in southwest Kansas referred to themselves

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as water miners.

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Yeah, that's such a modern technological way of regarding oneself.

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And it's just, you're right, you know, it's just an equation. If I take eight tons of biomass off, then I need to replace eight tons of biomass. And, you know, if I take 300 pounds of nitrogen off, I need to replace 300 pounds of nitrogen. So that makes perfect sense in this.

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yeah yeah and calculation is a key part the kind of reduction to doing a calculation regarding

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things um so modern technology uses a challenging revealing to draw forth energy and then store that

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energy to extract and store and then use that stored energy in further cycles of extraction

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and storing talk one second so he was writing this during the 40s right this is that this is

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His career spans the 30s through the 40s, maybe in the 50s.

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And this is after World War II, this is.

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Yeah.

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So he was living through a time not dissimilar to the time that we are living through, which would have been a rapid shifting of technology.

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you know going from trains to jet engines going from horses to cars yeah going from

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newspapers to radio to television um the all of this modern and especially you know the the

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the henry ford system of you know this is the factory here's the raw materials and outcome the

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widgets and everything in it is an equation so yeah i guess i wanted to make sure so we're framing

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that because that's what he is calling modern technology i assume modern for him right yeah

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modern for him but also modern like the modern technology at that time i think he would say

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share something with the modern technology of today the radio which is something that he's

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reacting against is comparable to the internet right yeah or tiktok yeah yeah exactly so yeah

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just to think about you know the time frame the 40s and the 50s that was the fastest

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fastest evolution of technology ever and then we really kind of went dead for about 75 80 years like

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we've not innovated very much at all we've iterated but we haven't innovated and today

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we're now innovating the car may be replaced by the autonomous quadcopter and the jet may be

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replaced by the rocket um or perhaps some other level of physics um and so yeah i think it's i

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just think it's a prescient um it's a timely thing to consider because he he was living through

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a pace of technological evolution not dissimilar to the one that we are currently living in yeah

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that our parents really didn't feel i mean they they certainly felt change but not in the not in

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not at the pace that we see it.

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No, it's a very timely essay.

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The only note,

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it's helpful to, of course,

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see why it's timely for us,

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just as it was for Heidegger.

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He's living through times of change.

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We're living through times of change.

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But that's the key part,

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not the specific technologies.

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Again, the essence of technology

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doesn't depend on

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whether it's the radio

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versus the internet.

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what these things share

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to get an idea of the essence.

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So modern technology, a challenging, revealing, demanding to draw forth energy from the thing upon which it works to then store.

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But he also says that is a revealing.

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That is a revealing of some sort of truth.

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It may be different than a poetic revealing through technique that respects physics.

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Like this is also another example I want to get because I love this one.

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I'm reading Wes Jackson, the founder of the Land Institute in Salina.

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He wrote a collection of essays.

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But he talks about Native Americans used to, when they were harvesting the grain, they would store it both from the small heads and the large heads.

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And they would do this kind of based on a mythical belief that they shouldn't discriminate amongst God's creations.

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But this had kind of secondary side effects of like preserving genetic diversity.

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and through their then poesis of stewarding their grain production in this way they reveal kind of

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a respect for the dignity of the underlying thing the seed thinking it's a thing of the gods they

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reveal kind of a durability which we call genetic diversity because we reduce it to kind of

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calculation scientific thinking but for them it just revealed that the thing was able to be used

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over and over again modern technology though a challenging revealing to extract energy reveals

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something different. What does it reveal? This is a big point for Heidegger. So it's kind of the next

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point. It reveals reality objects around us as standing reserve. So modern technology orders

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the entire world, all objects as standing reserve, as things that are on call for our use without any

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other meaning or significance. When you were accounting objects at the beginning, the cup

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cupping, the bookshelf bookshelf thing, that's standing reserve. These things are there for us.

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We create all of these things because they have utility for our purposes.

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Modern technology revealing a standing reserve in which objects cease as things in themselves with an active presencing with a shining forth of their own being and are now, again, raw commodities that we can recycle, not recycle, but store and use, set aside for further use, be on call.

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Everything about them otherwise is concealed.

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the wood at the trees and maybe for the lumberjacks of yore they saw the whole forest they saw it as

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something we maintained they harvested trees that were good for the purpose of being converted into

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furniture or fuel or something like that now wood becomes a raw commodity it's the cellulose you

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can extract to make paper and to enter that paper into a circle of production to produce energy

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so now we look at all of the world around us as something to be extracted from as standing reserve

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um and in doing so we kill the essence and yes and he's going to say not only do we kill

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the essence of the thing fully because we don't allow it to presence itself we damage our own

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essence our human essence is kind of where he's going to go um this another for a word on top of

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this, Heidegger is kind of constructing a vocabulary to help us see the world anew because

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it's so easy when you talk about modern technology to slip into the common ways of regarding it,

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which again, all of the objects fall comfortably in place by receding away from our perception as

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only things we use them for. But to get objects to presence, to shine forth again, we need kind

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of a new frame, a new way of looking at them. So the particular mindset, the call to action that we

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feel to order the world as standing reserve through modern technology, Heidegger calls that

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enframement, which is that it's a human mindset of seeing the world through the lens of modern

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technology, which we're all kind of default in, I think, enframement, to see the world as standing

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reserve as resources for our extraction. Enframement comes from the German word gestel,

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which actually means bookshelf. So a good metaphor again, that the bookshelf in framing the world is

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about placing things on shelf for further use, extracting their resources and energy, and then

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we place it there so that when we need it, we come back, the standing reserve is on call, and we can

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use it for our purposes again. So Heidegger says, the challenging revealing in which the world is

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seen as something to be extracted for standing reserve, that whole mindset is called enframement.

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so you can now have a word to try to get outside of once you name the thing we now at least have a

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bit of a handle on we have some traction on our modern mindset we can call it in frame and frame

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it here's where we've arrived manifest the essence of modern technology we understand technology

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again not by looking at individual pieces of modern technology the radio the um the car but

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by considering the mindset we have in relation to it.

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That's something that's shared between the radio and the internet

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is the mindset that it imbues or causes us to have in relation to us,

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the call to action it gives us to continue ordering things for our use.

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Do you think that that makes sense,

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like in-frame it as a mindset that provokes us

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and calls us to action to order?

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Is in-frame a subset of perspective?

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um and can you get outside of in framement to have a perspective that is not in framing

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yes according to heidegger that's where he's going to go with his essay it's going to be

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you know we're going to ask that question how do we get out get outside of in framing

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perspective is a good way to looking at it i was trying to in i was trying to kind of

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pull that from heidegger too like what is in framing i use the word mindset

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he actually calls it like a calling forth it calls us to do something um which would be like

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a purpose it's a purpose maybe you could say it's um but a purpose that is provoking us to do things

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in a certain way look at the world in a certain way it's like a purpose that pushes us so that's

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what i'm wondering is there does there exist does there exist a perspective that is not an

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enframement yes okay and just to give it the so that's what you talk does that mean does that mean

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that so if i escape my enframement and instead i view the cup so this is i guess this is where

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i feel like i'm starting to uh humanize all the things around me um where i don't frame the cup

433
00:35:19,012 --> 00:35:27,332
as serving a purpose i i have a relationship with the cup and i um and i view myself in harmony

434
00:35:27,332 --> 00:35:34,052
with the cup and i don't look at the deer as a source of food i look at the deer as um

435
00:35:34,052 --> 00:35:43,192
well i guess perhaps this is just a you look at everything as a oneness maybe you begin to recall

436
00:35:43,192 --> 00:35:50,652
um maybe religious perceptions of things religion would be another mindset another alternative way

437
00:35:50,652 --> 00:35:53,852
but to give a practical example or to give what example we've already talked about

438
00:35:53,852 --> 00:36:02,652
And framing is that challenging revealing of modern technology that provokes us to want to see things as the resources we can extract from them.

439
00:36:02,772 --> 00:36:04,072
But he's already talked about poesis.

440
00:36:04,432 --> 00:36:06,532
That's another form of revealing.

441
00:36:07,352 --> 00:36:12,352
Again, the carpenter reveals things from the wood without a challenging revealing.

442
00:36:12,472 --> 00:36:17,732
He doesn't challenge the wood to give up its essence by becoming only a resource to be used.

443
00:36:18,192 --> 00:36:21,552
The carpenter has to work with the wood.

444
00:36:21,552 --> 00:36:23,872
They have to understand the qualities of the different woods.

445
00:36:23,872 --> 00:36:24,592
The limitations.

446
00:36:25,032 --> 00:36:25,472
The limitations.

447
00:36:25,472 --> 00:36:26,212
The constraints.

448
00:36:26,752 --> 00:36:27,872
Yeah, definitely.

449
00:36:30,452 --> 00:36:31,812
Was Heidegger religious?

450
00:36:32,872 --> 00:36:33,192
Do we know?

451
00:36:33,652 --> 00:36:37,412
I would assume, I mean, this is probably an obvious answer to this question.

452
00:36:37,592 --> 00:36:38,692
I would assume he was.

453
00:36:38,792 --> 00:36:40,212
I just don't know enough about him.

454
00:36:40,372 --> 00:36:46,292
He famously kind of had a strong relationship with nature.

455
00:36:46,492 --> 00:36:48,512
He would go out into the black forest.

456
00:36:48,512 --> 00:36:54,012
He had a small cabin there, and he would go out and live close to the land, and that's where he would do his thinking and his writing.

457
00:36:55,632 --> 00:36:58,692
And I don't know his explicit religious beliefs, but I would very much assume so.

458
00:36:59,392 --> 00:37:03,512
And, yeah, so we began questioning a certain technology.

459
00:37:03,752 --> 00:37:09,732
Heidegger says the essence of technology is nothing technological, whether it's this call to action, this mindset of enframing.

460
00:37:09,812 --> 00:37:14,012
That's the thing that unites all these different things to reveal the world of standing reserves, raw materials.

461
00:37:14,492 --> 00:37:15,732
You gave a great example.

462
00:37:15,892 --> 00:37:16,952
We were talking about this before.

463
00:37:16,952 --> 00:37:22,832
we've started filming, what did Elon say about the end state of technology?

464
00:37:23,732 --> 00:37:31,172
That, you know, we're coming to a world where you'll never have to do anything more than think

465
00:37:31,172 --> 00:37:34,952
about something and may not even need to think about it in order to have it.

466
00:37:34,952 --> 00:37:35,532
Yes.

467
00:37:35,812 --> 00:37:45,432
And that basically anything that you could want would appear possibly before you even want it.

468
00:37:45,432 --> 00:38:15,212
And my concern with that is that having read the Dopamine Nation book by Anna Limbke and viewing our state of mind and our ability to interact with the world in a positive way as this seesaw between pain and pleasure, and pain being the craving, pain being the wanting, and pleasure being the seeking, pleasure being the doing.

469
00:38:15,432 --> 00:38:24,372
Yeah. Um, then it seems to me that should we achieve that Elon-esque end state of

470
00:38:25,632 --> 00:38:32,432
whatever I want appears before I even want it. And I feel as though that seesaw of pain and pleasure

471
00:38:33,172 --> 00:38:36,192
would be permanently dumped to the pain side.

472
00:38:36,192 --> 00:38:42,852
Yeah. And I just love that example. Cause that's like, I see that as the total in state, total

473
00:38:42,852 --> 00:38:49,672
inframing mindset total capture by inframing if technology on the common correct definition

474
00:38:49,672 --> 00:38:56,252
is an instrument to get us the thing that we want a means to an end this is just like elon taking

475
00:38:56,252 --> 00:39:03,052
that a hundred percent saying you just think the cause and the effect appears and then at that point

476
00:39:03,052 --> 00:39:09,792
inframing is absolute and it's the the horror the dystopia if i didn't even capture this we've

477
00:39:09,792 --> 00:39:15,512
talked about before if the effect appears for the cause we if you're saying we get the thing before

478
00:39:15,512 --> 00:39:22,012
we want it if the algorithm can detect that we have an incipient want forming in us by habits

479
00:39:22,012 --> 00:39:28,052
and and all the data it has then in framing maybe becomes absolute and captures us perfectly because

480
00:39:28,052 --> 00:39:32,272
we don't even see that we're willing it that ability to see it heidegger is going to say

481
00:39:32,272 --> 00:39:37,392
at least places us outside of it so that's a horror story that maybe you know goes beyond

482
00:39:37,392 --> 00:39:40,972
even Heidegger if we can, if one's just outside before we have them.

483
00:39:40,972 --> 00:39:48,272
You know, this is the, this is what we used to feel as such an unnatural thing of, you

484
00:39:48,272 --> 00:39:54,852
and I talked about baseball and then I opened up Netflix and there was a baseball movie

485
00:39:54,852 --> 00:39:59,112
in the queue and I opened up Amazon and there were baseball cards that were suggested to

486
00:39:59,112 --> 00:40:00,192
me, et cetera, et cetera.

487
00:40:00,192 --> 00:40:08,492
where we realized that there was something that was taking what we were just ruminating on even

488
00:40:08,492 --> 00:40:10,552
and placing it before us.

489
00:40:10,552 --> 00:40:10,812
Yeah.

490
00:40:10,952 --> 00:40:17,672
And feeling, at least at the beginning, feeling very violated by that.

491
00:40:17,872 --> 00:40:22,092
That sense of violation is a good feeling because that is what gets you out of Enframed.

492
00:40:22,452 --> 00:40:23,052
We'll get there.

493
00:40:23,292 --> 00:40:25,292
Handless handle one objection people might have.

494
00:40:25,352 --> 00:40:27,372
This is what Heidegger handles, and we talked about this too.

495
00:40:27,372 --> 00:40:32,892
one objection might be no modern technology is not a form of reveal a challenging reveal

496
00:40:32,892 --> 00:40:38,352
to extract resources instead modern technology is itself revealed by pure science i mean

497
00:40:38,352 --> 00:40:45,572
this is the um you might say the bill nye yay science point of view where you know we have

498
00:40:45,572 --> 00:40:50,472
scientific theories and then those scientific theories challenge us to reveal things so we

499
00:40:50,472 --> 00:40:56,272
invent technology to better see the world or something like that um but so heidegger just says

500
00:40:56,272 --> 00:41:02,212
yeah so scientific theories are part of the challenging fourth process they are revealing

501
00:41:02,212 --> 00:41:08,872
the world that we're asking it to reveal basically we come up with new scientific theories to better

502
00:41:08,872 --> 00:41:15,612
explain the world in terms of its underlying units like atoms and molecules to break it down right

503
00:41:15,612 --> 00:41:21,572
we don't see the deer we see the molecules and the physics of it which then allow us to more easier

504
00:41:21,572 --> 00:41:24,732
extract the meat or what we want from it.

505
00:41:24,772 --> 00:41:29,232
So science, modern science, actually is a part of this challenging fourth process to

506
00:41:29,232 --> 00:41:32,112
help us order the world as standing reserve.

507
00:41:32,112 --> 00:41:34,332
It happens first as scientific theory.

508
00:41:34,812 --> 00:41:44,564
That scientific theory is then used to help us break down the world into isolatable elements which we can demand challenge manipulate and exploit as standing reserve

509
00:41:46,324 --> 00:41:50,104
It's I guess what does that seem like how science operates to you?

510
00:41:50,124 --> 00:41:56,044
Because he even says, like, if you want to know and this may be obvious, but you want to know what the world's going to look like in the future.

511
00:41:56,184 --> 00:42:02,244
Look at the scientific theories of today and see how they're breaking down the world, because that's the world we're going to build from them.

512
00:42:02,724 --> 00:42:04,584
We have both of those things.

513
00:42:04,584 --> 00:42:17,584
I just saw a rubric earlier today of science for science sake, engineering for engineering sake, engineering for the sake of science and science for the sake of engineering.

514
00:42:17,584 --> 00:42:42,883
And the point of that rubric was to say that science for the sake of engineering pushes us forward and moves us to create a solar panel that can work in space because we need to power a satellite in space.

515
00:42:42,883 --> 00:42:43,324
Yeah.

516
00:42:43,324 --> 00:42:50,584
that serves the purpose of having, you know, internet across the world or whatever.

517
00:42:52,244 --> 00:42:58,564
Engineering for the sake of science causes us to build a large hadron collider, a particle

518
00:42:58,564 --> 00:43:03,304
reactor, because we're like, I don't know what would happen. Like, that's the question. And it's

519
00:43:03,304 --> 00:43:07,464
like, we're not, we're not trying to build a bridge. We're not, there's no purpose of

520
00:43:07,464 --> 00:43:12,104
finding out what happens other than to find out what happens.

521
00:43:12,324 --> 00:43:15,383
And then be like, well, when we get there, we'll figure it out.

522
00:43:16,084 --> 00:43:16,184
Yeah.

523
00:43:16,284 --> 00:43:17,804
And so I, I would say that.

524
00:43:17,804 --> 00:43:18,964
I think Heidegger was, I think he would place that.

525
00:43:18,964 --> 00:43:19,724
They both occur.

526
00:43:19,883 --> 00:43:23,824
I would, yeah, I can see that point, but I think Heidegger would place even science for

527
00:43:23,824 --> 00:43:25,244
science's sake as.

528
00:43:26,024 --> 00:43:29,664
Well, science for science's sake is just like, it's all theoretical.

529
00:43:30,084 --> 00:43:30,664
There's nothing.

530
00:43:30,764 --> 00:43:35,744
We're never, we're never taking the theory and putting it into the world.

531
00:43:35,744 --> 00:43:39,064
were just mind masturbating.

532
00:43:40,144 --> 00:43:42,184
So I think Heidegger would disagree and say,

533
00:43:42,344 --> 00:43:45,244
that's a scientific theory we're placing on call

534
00:43:45,244 --> 00:43:47,284
for future use to order the world.

535
00:43:47,424 --> 00:43:50,124
Scientific theory, science is inherently about order.

536
00:43:50,364 --> 00:43:53,764
It's about how we order things in a very empirical way.

537
00:43:54,424 --> 00:43:56,504
And I'll just back up on to make one point.

538
00:43:57,344 --> 00:44:00,024
Heidegger's not trying to demonize modern technology.

539
00:44:00,304 --> 00:44:02,444
So he's not a total luddite.

540
00:44:02,644 --> 00:44:03,764
He's not Ted Kaczynski.

541
00:44:03,764 --> 00:44:14,904
I mean, he wants us, at the end, to be able to get outside of in framing, but he lived with modern technologies that he used, and he doesn't, again, want us to demonize technology.

542
00:44:15,024 --> 00:44:17,664
That's like the two poles that he's trying to exist between.

543
00:44:18,084 --> 00:44:26,464
One is total, just capture by in frame it, and the other is like Ted Kaczynski, Ludi, demonization of technology.

544
00:44:26,604 --> 00:44:28,584
He's not going there, so he's somewhere in the middle there.

545
00:44:28,964 --> 00:44:33,084
And this is, we'll get right to the question I was forestalling earlier that you brought up.

546
00:44:33,764 --> 00:44:47,544
Is the enframing inevitable? Can we escape enframement? Are we condemned to look at the world as something to be ordered to extract resources from it, place it on call as standing reserved? Are we trapped by the essence of modern technology?

547
00:44:47,544 --> 00:44:52,564
so this brings us back to the beginning of the essay heidegger says we're questioning concerning

548
00:44:52,564 --> 00:44:58,084
technology in order to establish a free relationship to it that free relationship

549
00:44:58,084 --> 00:45:04,864
is that escape from capture by enframement that ability to get out of a mindset and freely regard

550
00:45:04,864 --> 00:45:11,944
the things around us in their objecthood as apart from things to be extracted but then i mean that's

551
00:45:11,944 --> 00:45:17,883
the question is free relationship even possible to the world and that kind of brings up the question

552
00:45:17,883 --> 00:45:23,644
of free will um which is a perennial philosophical issue heidegger sidesteps that or maybe just

553
00:45:23,644 --> 00:45:28,584
doesn't think that that's a relevant question um he wants us to rethink being free in a different

554
00:45:28,584 --> 00:45:34,544
way and i love this part so um he's not going to talk about free will but kind of free within space

555
00:45:34,544 --> 00:45:40,704
so freedom in the sense of being free from obstruction the clearing in the woods is free

556
00:45:40,704 --> 00:45:46,584
of trees that type of freedom is what he's going to talk about here free and in talking about this

557
00:45:46,584 --> 00:45:51,624
heidegger kind of begins to talk in almost a mystical pitch in the essay and this will give

558
00:45:51,624 --> 00:45:57,004
us i'm going to read a little portion here give you a taste of his prose while also again in my

559
00:45:57,004 --> 00:46:04,344
estimation this is kind of the most mystical that he sounds he says freedom is that which conceals

560
00:46:04,344 --> 00:46:11,204
in a way that opens to light, in who's clearing their shimmers that veil that covers what comes

561
00:46:11,204 --> 00:46:20,224
to presence of all truth and lets the veil appear as what veils. So that's a lot. There's a lot to

562
00:46:20,224 --> 00:46:25,564
unpack on that. And I want to walk through that by helping us visualize it, because this is how I

563
00:46:25,564 --> 00:46:31,984
really think one of the best ways to really truly understand philosophy is to do it visually. Yes,

564
00:46:31,984 --> 00:46:34,264
you want to? I was just going to, can I take a shot in the dark?

565
00:46:34,404 --> 00:46:39,184
Go shot in the dark. Shoot. Is freedom then looking at social media as

566
00:46:39,184 --> 00:46:47,964
the thing which veils community by offering connection?

567
00:46:49,584 --> 00:46:56,244
Yeah. It hides, it hides community. Yes. We lose community, but to look at it from that

568
00:46:56,244 --> 00:47:06,524
perspective and to say this thing promising this this thing that offers what is a necessary

569
00:47:06,524 --> 00:47:14,424
condition for community which is connection right is also not only not sufficient for community

570
00:47:14,424 --> 00:47:22,224
it is in direct opposition to community which is that it is it's hiding community

571
00:47:22,224 --> 00:47:22,424
Yeah.

572
00:47:23,464 --> 00:47:25,004
Behind the veil of connection.

573
00:47:25,164 --> 00:47:32,764
You enter the clearing in the woods and there sits that network which promises, which reveals to you the possibility of connection.

574
00:47:32,764 --> 00:47:37,824
But there's a veil over its heart, which is the lack of actual community.

575
00:47:38,224 --> 00:47:38,324
Yeah.

576
00:47:38,404 --> 00:47:38,664
Yeah.

577
00:47:39,064 --> 00:47:41,284
And that's a perfect example.

578
00:47:41,524 --> 00:47:43,924
And so again, to help visualize this.

579
00:47:44,244 --> 00:47:46,444
So close your eyes, Lucas.

580
00:47:47,004 --> 00:47:50,424
And anybody who's watching, close your eyes, even if you're driving.

581
00:47:50,504 --> 00:47:51,124
It's that important.

582
00:47:51,124 --> 00:47:54,664
So it's hard to process the language when you hear from Heinegger.

583
00:47:54,724 --> 00:47:58,044
We're going to walk through this as a literal kind of visualization.

584
00:47:58,464 --> 00:48:03,704
So Lucas, you're walking through a dark forest and there's only the path forward.

585
00:48:03,844 --> 00:48:05,324
That's the way you are on.

586
00:48:05,424 --> 00:48:07,383
You're on the way through this dark forest.

587
00:48:08,264 --> 00:48:14,284
On both sides of the way that you're on, it's concealed in darkness and foliage.

588
00:48:14,284 --> 00:48:21,284
not only concealed, but it's so tangled and dark that you can't extricate even a particular plant

589
00:48:21,284 --> 00:48:27,883
or tree from it. It's just like foliage obscuring the presence of foliage, that dark. So you're on

590
00:48:27,883 --> 00:48:35,544
this way forward in this forest. Then suddenly you burst into a forest clearing that's free of trees.

591
00:48:35,984 --> 00:48:41,564
Sunlight streams down into an open space, maybe the size of a basketball court. You enter into

592
00:48:41,564 --> 00:48:48,564
this freedom this free space there in the middle of this free space in the middle of the woods

593
00:48:48,564 --> 00:48:56,244
stands a shimmering veiled figure a human figure shimmering shining forth but veiled a person

594
00:48:56,244 --> 00:49:06,883
so you can't see their face so that's the process a kind of an imagination visualization of that

595
00:49:06,883 --> 00:49:14,264
passage that I read of a free space in which a thing reveals itself shimmering forth in its own

596
00:49:14,264 --> 00:49:19,684
essence, but which is also still veiled in some essential way. So you can open your eyes if you

597
00:49:19,684 --> 00:49:23,724
choose to. So what is the point of that? And you've actually, we already jumped the gun on that,

598
00:49:23,724 --> 00:49:28,464
because I think the internet one's a good thing. Social media is in that clearing,

599
00:49:28,644 --> 00:49:34,084
and yet it still has a veil on it. It's withholding part of its essence. The key,

600
00:49:34,084 --> 00:49:40,304
the clearing is open it's a space of revealing that is always free the space of revealing is a

601
00:49:40,304 --> 00:49:46,084
free space but there's also always a call that mindset you call it a perspective maybe

602
00:49:46,084 --> 00:49:52,104
the in framing when you enter that free space of revealing and framing is one way that that

603
00:49:52,104 --> 00:49:57,244
happens you enter the clearing you regard the veiled figure as a resource perhaps someone you

604
00:49:57,244 --> 00:50:02,484
can ask for directions to get out of the forest as someone you need to protect yourself against

605
00:50:02,484 --> 00:50:09,844
right who are they you regard them um in their relation to you from an framing mindset in an

606
00:50:09,844 --> 00:50:17,104
instrumental means and sort of way that's a form of call uh to to reveal of the object as you enter

607
00:50:17,104 --> 00:50:22,704
the clearing that free space poesis or poetic revealing is another way perhaps this figure

608
00:50:22,704 --> 00:50:32,464
will be then a source of inspiration or discovery for your particular techne or skill if you are a

609
00:50:32,484 --> 00:50:47,504
When you enter that free space of revealing, the mindset, perspective, the call that you have is going to kind of dictate what you see in that shimmering image, what you allow that image to show you.

610
00:50:47,904 --> 00:50:58,284
And the most importantly, some ways, some calls, some mindset, to quote Heidegger, lets the veil appear as what veils.

611
00:50:58,484 --> 00:51:02,104
That's a really important part because we want to get out of enframement.

612
00:51:02,104 --> 00:51:04,764
We want to be able to see the limitations of it.

613
00:51:04,804 --> 00:51:05,864
You want to see the veil.

614
00:51:05,944 --> 00:51:07,724
The veil is always going to be there in some way.

615
00:51:08,024 --> 00:51:13,144
Even for the person with a particular techne, they're only going to see it from their perspective or mindset.

616
00:51:13,504 --> 00:51:15,784
It's not going to reveal or exhaust itself fully.

617
00:51:16,004 --> 00:51:19,704
Every human will appear to you veiled because there's always something in them.

618
00:51:19,784 --> 00:51:25,904
Every object is also always veiled with some aspect of its essence because there's always something about it.

619
00:51:25,944 --> 00:51:28,104
We don't fully exhaust in our interaction with it.

620
00:51:28,104 --> 00:51:31,704
we can spend a lifetime

621
00:51:31,704 --> 00:51:33,604
like regarding a coffee cup

622
00:51:33,604 --> 00:51:35,284
and never fully discern

623
00:51:35,284 --> 00:51:37,104
its full essence

624
00:51:37,104 --> 00:51:38,664
without like becoming the cup

625
00:51:38,664 --> 00:51:39,464
or something like that.

626
00:51:39,524 --> 00:51:41,044
The thing always withdraws

627
00:51:41,044 --> 00:51:42,744
something of itself.

628
00:51:42,924 --> 00:51:44,144
And the key in that

629
00:51:44,144 --> 00:51:45,964
is just to recognize the withdrawal,

630
00:51:46,144 --> 00:51:47,164
to recognize the veil,

631
00:51:47,284 --> 00:51:48,264
to see the limitations,

632
00:51:48,424 --> 00:51:49,764
your own blinders in a sense.

633
00:51:50,284 --> 00:51:50,804
Does that make sense?

634
00:51:54,884 --> 00:51:56,704
What I'm thinking about is

635
00:51:56,704 --> 00:52:00,744
that I

636
00:52:00,744 --> 00:52:04,404
I should yearn to

637
00:52:04,404 --> 00:52:05,544
I should learn

638
00:52:05,544 --> 00:52:07,684
I should look upon the veil

639
00:52:07,684 --> 00:52:09,224
not

640
00:52:09,224 --> 00:52:10,924
as

641
00:52:10,924 --> 00:52:11,964
the thing

642
00:52:11,964 --> 00:52:13,144
occluding me

643
00:52:13,144 --> 00:52:14,384
from seeing

644
00:52:14,384 --> 00:52:15,724
what is behind it

645
00:52:15,724 --> 00:52:17,924
but I should look upon the veil

646
00:52:17,924 --> 00:52:24,764
only as a veil

647
00:52:24,764 --> 00:52:25,604
that

648
00:52:26,704 --> 00:52:32,924
what is important is not what is behind but what is important is that there is a veil

649
00:52:32,924 --> 00:52:39,584
but i'm not sure yeah where i'm going with that no you're revealing concealment in a sense like

650
00:52:39,584 --> 00:52:47,204
truth is aletheia to remove from concealment but you can't always fully or you can ever you can't

651
00:52:47,204 --> 00:52:51,064
ever remove something fully from concealment you can't ever fully know something but the point is

652
00:52:51,064 --> 00:52:56,484
to reveal to yourself the aspect of concealment which in frame it doesn't allow us to do i would

653
00:52:56,484 --> 00:52:57,344
Take it quick.

654
00:52:57,724 --> 00:52:57,884
Yeah.

655
00:52:58,004 --> 00:52:59,864
Do you remember when texting came about?

656
00:53:00,444 --> 00:53:01,704
Like, do you remember like...

657
00:53:01,704 --> 00:53:03,844
The decisive moment, I don't know if I remember that,

658
00:53:03,964 --> 00:53:05,484
but I don't know if I have some key to that.

659
00:53:05,484 --> 00:53:07,584
I mean, I just remember being in college

660
00:53:07,584 --> 00:53:12,284
and it was like having the old Nokia brick phone.

661
00:53:12,404 --> 00:53:12,704
Yeah.

662
00:53:13,004 --> 00:53:14,444
And it wasn't Verizon.

663
00:53:14,604 --> 00:53:17,404
It was Altel at the time before they got bought by Verizon.

664
00:53:17,404 --> 00:53:21,824
And they gave, I think they gave everybody like three months

665
00:53:21,824 --> 00:53:24,604
or a month of free texting or something like that.

666
00:53:24,684 --> 00:53:26,404
And then after that, it was...

667
00:53:26,484 --> 00:53:32,404
a dime text or something like that. It was, you know, like to consider today, it's insane.

668
00:53:33,204 --> 00:53:40,224
But I remember thinking when it first came out, like, this is absurd. Like,

669
00:53:40,704 --> 00:53:46,104
all I'm doing is emailing someone and I'm being charged to email them.

670
00:53:46,604 --> 00:53:53,844
And why would I ever want to email someone who I can call? And it turns out I was completely

671
00:53:53,844 --> 00:54:01,364
wrong about that thing yeah but it is you know how many people did you talk to today

672
00:54:01,364 --> 00:54:06,104
today is a question that is answered by how many people did i text

673
00:54:06,104 --> 00:54:13,424
as opposed to how many people did i talk to yeah talk talk um you see the etymology of the word

674
00:54:13,424 --> 00:54:19,304
changing with talk it once meant orally verbalizing something and now it does mean sending an electronic

675
00:54:19,304 --> 00:54:23,564
transmission i talked to them a day i sent them a text yeah but i don't know why that popped up

676
00:54:23,564 --> 00:54:30,144
but just to think about yeah um and you don't see that at the moment i guess i didn't have a

677
00:54:30,144 --> 00:54:34,764
perception of it as something that was going to capture and change the way i thought about

678
00:54:34,764 --> 00:54:39,504
how i was talking to other people i remember thinking of the cell phone maybe not texting but

679
00:54:39,504 --> 00:54:45,084
um you'd be out in the tractor in the age before cell phones and you were at the mercy of somebody

680
00:54:45,084 --> 00:54:49,984
coming to get you or if something broke down of like walking to go get help or something like that

681
00:54:49,984 --> 00:54:55,204
but when you had the telephone telephone the cell phone the game changed it was like this is so nice

682
00:54:55,204 --> 00:55:02,644
but it changed in a way that i think makes people more reckless i think that i am so i have a cell

683
00:55:02,644 --> 00:55:08,664
phone in my vehicle if i get into an accident i can call for help but having the cell phone in my

684
00:55:08,664 --> 00:55:17,484
vehicle we know improves my chances of having an accident like a hundredfold yeah um so it

685
00:55:17,484 --> 00:55:24,504
the thing that it purports to save you from may well be permission to do the thing that

686
00:55:24,504 --> 00:55:30,924
the to do the thing from which you need saved yeah no i'm also reading right now uh feminism

687
00:55:30,924 --> 00:55:37,024
against progress by mary harrington and she calls that progress through theology the belief that all

688
00:55:37,024 --> 00:55:43,024
things we think that all things are good exactly because we don't reckon all the consequences that

689
00:55:43,024 --> 00:55:47,144
we don't see them bring about oh the cell phone is good because of all these reasons but then

690
00:55:47,144 --> 00:55:53,504
the increased accidents is kind of just like we don't really focus on that yeah like you it's like

691
00:55:53,504 --> 00:56:00,044
you know you think that you're making your teenager safer by giving them a cell phone

692
00:56:00,044 --> 00:56:05,644
when they go drive because they can call you for help yet what you're doing is you're

693
00:56:05,644 --> 00:56:14,984
putting beneath them a, uh, a fail stop that says, oh, you can take more risk. You can not

694
00:56:14,984 --> 00:56:22,724
consider yourself to be responsible because now I'm here, uh, a tap away to be that,

695
00:56:22,724 --> 00:56:28,944
to be that savior for you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I, I think about that. Like I think about,

696
00:56:29,764 --> 00:56:35,064
when I was in high school one time, I got, I blew a tire. I had to change a tire. I didn't have a

697
00:56:35,064 --> 00:56:42,304
jack and i ended up figuring it out like yeah i walked like a mile and found a fence post and then

698
00:56:42,304 --> 00:56:47,024
i found like a brick or something i can't remember i don't even remember how i did it but i changed a

699
00:56:47,024 --> 00:56:56,464
tire in the middle of nowhere without you know the ability to to jack up the vehicle and what would

700
00:56:56,464 --> 00:57:01,244
i have done otherwise well i would have called somebody and sat there you would not have learned

701
00:57:01,244 --> 00:57:07,044
those things along the way that's like the techne of the craftsmen they're learning things constantly

702
00:57:07,044 --> 00:57:11,784
the carpenter is constantly learning things as they get things done but when things are got done

703
00:57:11,784 --> 00:57:16,424
for you by technology you don't learn all the things on the way you might learn i wouldn't

704
00:57:16,424 --> 00:57:21,624
have revealed that self-sufficiency as well that too i would have i would have yeah which was always

705
00:57:21,624 --> 00:57:27,104
there yeah yeah it would have remained concealed yeah that's the inframing so and that's where

706
00:57:27,104 --> 00:57:31,684
goes right now, what are the dangers of inframing? That's one of them right there,

707
00:57:31,764 --> 00:57:36,504
what it reveals from us about ourselves maybe. And there's also the danger, so I'll kind of

708
00:57:36,504 --> 00:57:41,564
rail off some of these, the danger that man will stop seeing objects and see only standing reserve

709
00:57:41,564 --> 00:57:48,924
and be concerned only with ordering that standing reserve for further use. And the danger then is

710
00:57:48,924 --> 00:57:53,184
that we come to see ourselves as standing reserve, right? Heidegger uses the phrase human resources,

711
00:57:53,184 --> 00:57:55,584
which is now a very common phrase, verbiage.

712
00:57:55,884 --> 00:57:57,084
Maybe it was new at the time.

713
00:57:57,204 --> 00:58:00,664
We come to see ourselves as standing reserved as resources to be used by others,

714
00:58:00,924 --> 00:58:03,484
others to be used as resources by us, as us.

715
00:58:03,864 --> 00:58:09,244
He also notes, when all is revealed as cause and effect through technology,

716
00:58:09,364 --> 00:58:13,664
which regards things in that way, everything, even God, can lose its mystery.

717
00:58:13,864 --> 00:58:15,404
God becomes the first cause.

718
00:58:15,584 --> 00:58:21,244
I mean, that's even some theologians begin to talk about God as like the first mover.

719
00:58:21,244 --> 00:58:27,504
and that's kind of very banal and non-mysterious way to regard a god you don't look at god in the

720
00:58:27,504 --> 00:58:32,384
full mystery of what god is you only look at it like oh the world is cause and effect technology

721
00:58:32,384 --> 00:58:39,344
shows me this god is the first cause and you talk about god this very um logical and kind of sterile

722
00:58:39,344 --> 00:58:49,124
way the final turn then we kind of mentioned this earlier man comes to encounter only him or herself

723
00:58:49,124 --> 00:58:54,644
just encounter them as like man or resource,

724
00:58:54,824 --> 00:58:56,084
but not in their essence.

725
00:58:56,764 --> 00:58:59,044
We've perhaps come to fail to see

726
00:58:59,044 --> 00:59:01,244
in framing as a frame, as a claim,

727
00:59:01,444 --> 00:59:04,604
as a specific call speaking to us

728
00:59:04,604 --> 00:59:06,724
and asking us to view the world in a certain way.

729
00:59:07,184 --> 00:59:10,624
And so lose the ability to listen to other calls

730
00:59:10,624 --> 00:59:12,564
that might provoke us to see the world

731
00:59:12,564 --> 00:59:14,104
in different ways, other frames.

732
00:59:14,964 --> 00:59:16,504
The threat of technology is not,

733
00:59:17,024 --> 00:59:19,084
the real threat of technology, Heidegger says,

734
00:59:19,124 --> 00:59:25,404
is not like that robot apocalypse where like terminators come after us and shoot us it's not

735
00:59:25,404 --> 00:59:33,044
death by robot dogs not death of the body but the death of our essence yeah the the inability to

736
00:59:33,044 --> 00:59:38,424
reveal the world to ourselves by stepping outside of a frame in which we can fully see the world

737
00:59:38,424 --> 00:59:45,884
see god in the world see the world as independent of us yeah the way that i have experienced this

738
00:59:45,884 --> 00:59:54,464
is as I've gotten, I won't even say that as I've gotten older, I would say that as I have become

739
00:59:54,464 --> 01:00:04,364
more dependent upon technology, I have become less and less able to view myself as the star of

740
01:00:04,364 --> 01:00:15,544
the movie that I, you know, you're, you're 16 years old or you're 14 or you're eight or you're

741
01:00:15,544 --> 01:00:26,164
20 or whatever, however old you may be. And one thing happens that is a win and it propels you

742
01:00:26,164 --> 01:00:30,924
forward. I, you know, I styled my hair in a different way and it made me feel good about

743
01:00:30,924 --> 01:00:40,464
myself. That was a win. Um, or I, um, you know, I threw, threw trash over my shoulder and got it

744
01:00:40,464 --> 01:00:46,384
into the trash can on, you know, on a, on a bounce off the wall. That was a, that was a perfect shot.

745
01:00:46,464 --> 01:00:53,564
It's like these things that lift you up and they push you, they, the essence is that you're,

746
01:00:53,564 --> 01:01:00,064
you're living in a movie, that you are the main character. And I feel that technology

747
01:01:00,064 --> 01:01:14,324
as it relates to the ever-present social media ever-present screens yeah that it has now become

748
01:01:14,324 --> 01:01:20,664
the main player it has now become the star yeah and we feel more like this is the npc

749
01:01:20,664 --> 01:01:25,644
this is the non-player character right we see ourselves maybe as only economic units we go

750
01:01:25,644 --> 01:01:29,904
work get a paycheck spend that paycheck to consume like that's the name of the story that's

751
01:01:29,904 --> 01:01:33,804
the only story there is there's no movie where you do something interesting there's no mystery

752
01:01:33,804 --> 01:01:39,104
to you or me humans are not possessors of infinite worth there's nothing infinite about a human they're

753
01:01:39,104 --> 01:01:43,704
this much flesh and blood they're that much economic production capability there's no mystery

754
01:01:43,704 --> 01:01:47,764
there and so that's kind of the inframing mindset towards another person you look at a person and

755
01:01:47,764 --> 01:01:53,644
think what can they do for me yeah this is we i think we had this conversation about like

756
01:01:53,644 --> 01:01:58,644
the dating apps are the stand it's a standing reserve right it's great example of that it's

757
01:01:58,644 --> 01:02:03,404
nothing more than odds you go back to the well yeah you know drop in the line and it's a menu

758
01:02:03,404 --> 01:02:08,704
everybody's a menu item they're describing themselves in the terms that they think they

759
01:02:08,704 --> 01:02:13,464
need to describe themselves because that's the way you frame yourself within a dating app to be

760
01:02:13,464 --> 01:02:18,324
legible to other people it makes you tasty on the menu yeah you put yourself out there as standing

761
01:02:18,324 --> 01:02:35,836
reserve on call for other people yeah yeah um so that the those are the the dangers of enframement um again he not demonizing technology but the benefits of technology modern technology are manifest This essay is not about them Those are the dangers

762
01:02:36,556 --> 01:02:39,596
Within that danger, there's also a saving power, Heidegger thinks.

763
01:02:40,576 --> 01:02:51,876
Enframing is a danger because it threatens, again, to sweep us away from believing or sweep us into believing that all unconcealment is simply as revealing things to be ordered a standing reserve.

764
01:02:52,436 --> 01:02:54,776
So we lose all the mystery, all the other ways of seeing.

765
01:02:54,976 --> 01:03:10,536
Within that danger, we can also be saved. If we begin to pay heed to how technology is revealing things to us, we then can have the capacity to be conscious of our own in framing and sort of consciously regard things differently.

766
01:03:10,536 --> 01:03:21,536
We can do this, be conscious of in framing by not being enthralled by particular technologies, but remain cognizant of the essence of technology that is being revealed to us.

767
01:03:21,536 --> 01:03:28,675
stop seeing technology only as an instrument, only neutrally, agnostically, as a tool to get

768
01:03:28,675 --> 01:03:35,736
something done, but begin to regard, maybe with suspicion, any new technology, not just like,

769
01:03:36,296 --> 01:03:44,816
when an indigenous tribe receives a bottle of Coca-Cola, they have no inkling of the world

770
01:03:44,816 --> 01:03:49,736
that's being unleashed on them, right? And we're the same way. We're all indigenous peoples. When

771
01:03:49,736 --> 01:03:55,135
a new technology is given to us we need to look at that as like potentially black magic that could

772
01:03:55,135 --> 01:04:01,336
have some you know wreak some dire effect upon us this is jonathan height um linking the

773
01:04:01,336 --> 01:04:12,336
downfall of the experience of of life of modern modern females to the advent of the front-facing

774
01:04:12,336 --> 01:04:18,276
camera right where these technologies this opened all so normal it's a normal scene being like how

775
01:04:18,276 --> 01:04:22,155
happy this had this effect on us that's like ontological and scope affect our essence yeah

776
01:04:22,155 --> 01:04:27,456
we're yeah you you look at it oh this is great it's like having a it's having like having a live

777
01:04:27,456 --> 01:04:31,936
mirror yeah how could that go wrong how could that ever go wrong and then all of a sudden that live

778
01:04:31,936 --> 01:04:41,635
mirror becomes a scoreboard yeah on social media where you are offering yourself up to be judged

779
01:04:41,635 --> 01:04:49,896
yeah um and then basing your self-worth upon that yeah and you mentioned this earlier there's a sense

780
01:04:49,896 --> 01:04:56,296
of violation with a lot of these technologies and this again is actually a good thing like in framing

781
01:04:56,296 --> 01:05:01,376
endangers our relation to truth because it conceals the fact of concealment of truth of

782
01:05:01,376 --> 01:05:06,456
what we could know about ourselves in the world um it brings us into this frenzied ordering but

783
01:05:06,456 --> 01:05:12,396
that endangering if we're if we have that feeling then we can like begin to look at technology

784
01:05:12,396 --> 01:05:18,956
it's not something wrong with us it's not like i'm i feel shitty and bad it's not an internal

785
01:05:18,956 --> 01:05:24,516
characteristic or some defect it's you know it's an aspect of the way the world has changed

786
01:05:24,516 --> 01:05:29,916
that our humanity our evolved cultural practices and biology was not ready for

787
01:05:29,916 --> 01:05:39,096
so yeah that that violation could help us understand the framework in and to regard

788
01:05:39,096 --> 01:05:44,976
like we need to get out of it and understand that the truth is out there to be revealed in

789
01:05:44,976 --> 01:05:50,536
different ways and simply ordering as reserves yeah to this day there has never been a time in

790
01:05:50,536 --> 01:06:01,956
my life when i have felt more violated than when itunes put the new youtube album on everyone's

791
01:06:01,956 --> 01:06:07,196
iphone yeah that was a thing and you had no choice in that and the the comparison it's like

792
01:06:07,196 --> 01:06:14,036
it would be like someone breaking into your house yeah to leave a gift uh-huh and they expect you

793
01:06:14,036 --> 01:06:20,236
to appreciate the gift and not consider that they broke into your house that's a good and then and

794
01:06:20,236 --> 01:06:24,036
And then to also reveal that, oh, they didn't break into the house.

795
01:06:24,216 --> 01:06:25,236
They have their own key.

796
01:06:25,236 --> 01:06:30,756
You know, and so many update code, like Microsoft pushed updates are that way.

797
01:06:30,896 --> 01:06:33,635
All the things that you liked about the prior version are gone.

798
01:06:34,336 --> 01:06:35,576
It's like, I didn't sign up.

799
01:06:35,655 --> 01:06:36,456
I probably did sign up.

800
01:06:36,556 --> 01:06:37,476
I probably clicked a box somewhere.

801
01:06:38,096 --> 01:06:42,036
But and that's like the interesting way in which, I mean, Bitcoin is technology, but

802
01:06:42,036 --> 01:06:43,776
technologies are forms of revealing.

803
01:06:43,876 --> 01:06:44,675
They reveal truth.

804
01:06:45,175 --> 01:06:48,396
It reveals the way that the fiat machinery was working.

805
01:06:48,396 --> 01:06:51,976
It reveals a violation that we didn't know how to describe before.

806
01:06:52,196 --> 01:06:57,036
And so looking at Bitcoin as a form of technology, that reveals something.

807
01:06:57,456 --> 01:07:02,956
You know, it reveals a latent sense of violation that we can now find and peg to a source.

808
01:07:03,296 --> 01:07:05,635
But it also reveals something about ourselves, too.

809
01:07:05,996 --> 01:07:09,616
You know, you're not a toxic Bitcoin maxi.

810
01:07:09,696 --> 01:07:11,856
You're just an asshole who figured out money.

811
01:07:12,956 --> 01:07:15,135
Yeah, that's a good description.

812
01:07:15,135 --> 01:07:15,516
Yeah.

813
01:07:15,516 --> 01:07:34,296
Yeah. And so we read James Polis is human forever. I mean, obviously, like right in line with this about preserving our humanity, how Bitcoin is one way we can help do that. In that book, he talks about there being kind of a first generation after COVID that lacks memory.

814
01:07:34,296 --> 01:07:46,056
And I thought about this when reading this, that the value of people who've matured a bit and have wisdom and have seen technology over time, you kind of have some insight into the essence of technology.

815
01:07:46,416 --> 01:08:02,675
And so like we people who were before the Internet, before the cell phone, have important stories to tell about people who grow up with that in frame that just being they already they're born seeing the world through the lens of the Internet and the cell phone.

816
01:08:02,675 --> 01:08:16,576
There's no other world. And you can help people get out of the frame. And we can maybe ourselves get out of the frame by talking to our elders, too. Right. Like that storehouse of human wisdom is a very important resource. It's kind of, I think, overlooked in a digital age.

817
01:08:16,576 --> 01:08:36,596
Yeah, I stopped and saw my grandmother on the way back. And she told a story just about there was a snowstorm coming in. And she talked about, you know, when she was growing up, they never, ever canceled school. There's just no such thing as canceling school.

818
01:08:36,596 --> 01:08:40,935
when there was a, when there was a blizzard and, and by the way, like back then they would have

819
01:08:40,935 --> 01:08:46,815
huge blizzards, like not, you know, we got three inches in Kansas city and it shut the whole town

820
01:08:46,815 --> 01:08:53,216
down for a weekend. They would get 36 inches and they would walk to school and the teacher would

821
01:08:53,216 --> 01:08:59,315
walk to school and then stay at the house of the family that lived closest so that they could have

822
01:08:59,315 --> 01:09:06,076
school again the next day. And the reason I thought about that is because like two days after that,

823
01:09:06,076 --> 01:09:17,456
I, I congratulated myself on walking to the gym two and a half miles in bitter cold, you know,

824
01:09:17,536 --> 01:09:20,876
and it was like, oh, this is an achievement. It's like, that's not an achievement. Like that was

825
01:09:20,876 --> 01:09:29,576
just as a Tuesday, um, you know, for, for that. And you framed this, uh, the, like the, the public

826
01:09:29,576 --> 01:09:35,116
use of a cell phone. Should you be able to frame that in your mind as masturbating in public?

827
01:09:35,116 --> 01:09:41,935
Yeah. You know, like I, I left my phone when I worked out today and I just, I was up on a stair

828
01:09:41,935 --> 01:09:47,156
climber and I was just looking around and I was like, everybody is masturbating. Everyone around

829
01:09:47,156 --> 01:09:53,935
me. And I knew that it wasn't like that when I started working out, you know, 10 years ago or

830
01:09:53,935 --> 01:09:59,096
12 years ago. I'm glad you bring that example up. I think there are little, so in frame,

831
01:09:59,335 --> 01:10:03,815
one of the ways being captured by it, I think, is we begin to regard all these practices as normal

832
01:10:03,815 --> 01:10:10,576
and natural because everybody's doing them. And so if we can adopt mental habits where we look at

833
01:10:10,576 --> 01:10:14,775
things anew, it's kind of what Heidegger does by giving us new terminology and frame them. We now

834
01:10:14,775 --> 01:10:20,036
have a new tool cognitively to begin to extricate ourselves from capture. Another one of those is,

835
01:10:20,116 --> 01:10:26,295
like you said, if you mentally, like say, every time I see someone in public on a cell phone,

836
01:10:26,295 --> 01:10:30,815
I'm going to consider that as having the same social sanction of shame as if they were

837
01:10:30,815 --> 01:10:36,016
masturbating in public and it's not i don't think this is a crude thing because i do look at it as

838
01:10:36,016 --> 01:10:43,136
like a closed loop of desire somebody is indulging in there's a incurvatus in say is a latin phrase i

839
01:10:43,136 --> 01:10:48,996
think kind of augustine saint augustine i think originated it the idea is people kind of curved

840
01:10:48,996 --> 01:10:54,755
inward on themselves in a self-centered state focusing on their own desires rather than god

841
01:10:54,755 --> 01:10:58,935
and others and the cell phone i mean it kind of does that when people are on that in public

842
01:10:58,935 --> 01:11:00,775
Like we should see that as antisocial.

843
01:11:01,076 --> 01:11:02,676
And so curved in physically too.

844
01:11:02,855 --> 01:11:03,256
Exactly.

845
01:11:03,456 --> 01:11:04,116
And I've got a loop.

846
01:11:04,195 --> 01:11:05,695
Just imagine them as a loop, right?

847
01:11:05,855 --> 01:11:10,096
Just all, they're a circuit that's separated from everybody else, focusing on their fulfillment

848
01:11:10,096 --> 01:11:13,416
of their own desires in a sort of mass, but not masturbatory way.

849
01:11:13,716 --> 01:11:15,676
And like, so what are some, I was thinking about this.

850
01:11:15,735 --> 01:11:19,976
What are some other mental hacks we can do to like get out of and frame it?

851
01:11:20,275 --> 01:11:27,596
Another one I've been doing myself is regarding all short form content as inherently propaganda.

852
01:11:27,596 --> 01:11:33,076
So to say anything that is a short video, a tweet lacks context, right?

853
01:11:33,716 --> 01:11:35,376
And that's inherently propagandistic.

854
01:11:35,616 --> 01:11:40,476
If you have only the video of something happening in the moment without all of the events around

855
01:11:40,476 --> 01:11:42,976
it, you only have what somebody is showing you.

856
01:11:43,136 --> 01:11:45,795
So anytime you see a video, don't share it.

857
01:11:46,116 --> 01:11:50,056
Try to figure out if you're going to explore it, like what the deep context is.

858
01:11:50,335 --> 01:11:55,556
So then this maybe inoculates us against scrolling through feeds.

859
01:11:55,556 --> 01:12:00,136
don't retweet, retweet, retweet, retweet, retweet, or repost whatever you do on Instagram and retik

860
01:12:00,136 --> 01:12:05,016
talk, whatever you do there. Maybe we don't share stuff. We say propaganda, propaganda, propaganda.

861
01:12:05,956 --> 01:12:13,616
So again, just a mental hack. And another one, regard all memes, all the mimetic phrases you see,

862
01:12:14,056 --> 01:12:21,256
the repeated phrases people use in Twitter or wherever as hypnotism. These are like ways to

863
01:12:21,256 --> 01:12:25,916
get us all to think the same way like sodium pentothal or whatever they're ways to like

864
01:12:25,916 --> 01:12:31,435
prevent you from thinking a different way about a thing because there's a track laid in your mind

865
01:12:31,435 --> 01:12:37,735
where you say the meme and then you seed your mind to others or chemicalize it into blankness right

866
01:12:37,735 --> 01:12:42,795
through this um as i was walking today i pictured myself like pulling out weeds like that's what

867
01:12:42,795 --> 01:12:48,116
those things are they're weeds in your mind and every time you're in public or talking to somebody

868
01:12:48,116 --> 01:12:54,435
else and you're about to say a meme like based or something like that instead of saying based say

869
01:12:54,435 --> 01:13:01,355
what's a synonym for what i'm trying to say and then rephrase it in your own words and see what

870
01:13:01,355 --> 01:13:05,956
comes out see if you have an original thought by removing the hypnotism of the mean for a mental

871
01:13:05,956 --> 01:13:12,416
structure yeah yeah picking up the cell phone too like just the act of picking up the cell phone

872
01:13:12,416 --> 01:13:15,735
without having anything.

873
01:13:15,976 --> 01:13:17,355
Checking it a million times a day.

874
01:13:17,456 --> 01:13:20,895
Is just like having the old school rotary phone

875
01:13:20,895 --> 01:13:23,275
and just going up, going to pick it up.

876
01:13:23,416 --> 01:13:24,956
Well, just going, it's not ringing.

877
01:13:25,756 --> 01:13:29,136
It's like, yeah, it's the idea of picking up the phone.

878
01:13:29,335 --> 01:13:30,076
It has it wrong.

879
01:13:30,256 --> 01:13:33,315
And you're just picking it up and you're listening for nothing.

880
01:13:33,536 --> 01:13:33,815
Yeah.

881
01:13:33,935 --> 01:13:35,295
And then you're setting it back down.

882
01:13:35,295 --> 01:13:35,616
Yeah.

883
01:13:36,176 --> 01:13:40,136
So see if you can create your own mental hacks

884
01:13:40,136 --> 01:13:44,416
to like prevent yourself from subconsciously falling into like inframing behaviors.

885
01:13:44,416 --> 01:13:55,195
I like the meme, I like the memetic, the memetic one, because we, we commonly view those memes

886
01:13:55,195 --> 01:13:55,916
as uniting.

887
01:13:56,376 --> 01:13:58,176
Yeah, and they are, that's exactly what they are.

888
01:13:58,395 --> 01:13:58,416
Yeah.

889
01:13:58,576 --> 01:13:59,395
The niters is the tribe.

890
01:13:59,556 --> 01:14:05,315
They're uniting in a way that obliterates independent thought.

891
01:14:05,616 --> 01:14:06,136
Absolutely.

892
01:14:06,136 --> 01:14:12,636
And it creates mass migration towards one ideology.

893
01:14:13,216 --> 01:14:19,256
And this is why, you know, we can throw everything back to it,

894
01:14:19,335 --> 01:14:24,176
but this is why the average guy became a Nazi in Germany.

895
01:14:24,496 --> 01:14:27,815
It was because the power of that pulled everyone together.

896
01:14:27,976 --> 01:14:28,195
Yeah.

897
01:14:28,376 --> 01:14:34,136
Not because they can't, you know, 99.9% of those people would not have come to that on their own.

898
01:14:34,136 --> 01:14:34,895
Some sort of meme.

899
01:14:34,895 --> 01:14:56,256
And another one, even within the Bitcoin community, if you're thinking of retweeting something and just attaching Bitcoin fixes this, that's a meme. Instead of saying Bitcoin fixes this, think to yourself, how does Bitcoin fix this? What's the process by which Bitcoin gets rid of this harmful social practice or like technological abomination that I'm tweeting about?

900
01:14:56,256 --> 01:15:02,256
and so instead of just doing the me think for yourself and like that's i do like i'm in guilt

901
01:15:02,256 --> 01:15:07,496
as everybody else right you do it we all do it it's easy it's socially gratifying because we're

902
01:15:07,496 --> 01:15:13,815
participating in community like you say but it's also if you get outside of it words appear in your

903
01:15:13,815 --> 01:15:22,315
mind that are your own or that are gods and not the hypnotism of the community so yeah um so that's

904
01:15:22,315 --> 01:15:26,756
one saving power maybe those little cognitive hacks can get us out of and frame it a big one

905
01:15:26,756 --> 01:15:34,376
is another one for heidegger is art so we talked about poesis and throughout this essay in doing

906
01:15:34,376 --> 01:15:40,916
his philosophical heavy lifting um heidegger quotes and builds from the words of poets he's

907
01:15:40,916 --> 01:15:48,256
using poetry to do some heavy lifting here um and he quotes holderland saying poetically dwells man

908
01:15:48,256 --> 01:15:55,556
upon this earth as kind of how we should live in art as a way to get out of enfraignment live

909
01:15:55,556 --> 01:16:00,835
poetically in a sense of poesis in engaging in activities with techne in the sense of revealing

910
01:16:00,835 --> 01:16:06,795
something about the thing and not just reveal revealing the thing as commodity as raw materials

911
01:16:06,795 --> 01:16:14,376
as standing reserve um in the more ancient sense art as techne was about bringing out like the

912
01:16:14,376 --> 01:16:21,116
presence of the gods, a dialogue with the divine and human destinies. It was about yielding a truth.

913
01:16:22,036 --> 01:16:30,076
Art was about truth. Aletheia, about revealing, not about aesthetic pleasure, not about even not

914
01:16:30,076 --> 01:16:35,795
a cultural activity. We think of, there's a thing now we call the artist. That's a ridiculous thing.

915
01:16:36,256 --> 01:16:41,716
We're all artists. We're all in the art of being right now. Like we're engaging in that art,

916
01:16:41,716 --> 01:16:48,395
whether you think you are or not we all need to as holden says dwell poetically on this earth

917
01:16:48,395 --> 01:16:54,275
by living outside of and framing and finding our own like drawing our own revelations from the

918
01:16:54,275 --> 01:16:59,435
objects around us letting them rather not draw them don't challenge them forth but let the object

919
01:16:59,435 --> 01:17:04,576
shine forth and see if you find the presence of the gods right in the shimmer of the light

920
01:17:04,576 --> 01:17:10,895
on the top of the water or something i have nothing to add to that i was drawing a picture

921
01:17:10,895 --> 01:17:17,156
so this is actually doing my i was doing art you were inspiring my art so the saving power of art

922
01:17:17,156 --> 01:17:21,956
this is the last thing i have here too for the notes um the saving power of art becomes more

923
01:17:21,956 --> 01:17:26,556
apparent as we go deeper into and frame oh you talked about this kind of the unease that we feel

924
01:17:26,556 --> 01:17:35,136
um reveals to us the mystery maybe we once fell in the kind of presence of really good art if

925
01:17:35,136 --> 01:17:40,195
nothing else you had you had your childhood when we all lived poetically when the world was

926
01:17:40,195 --> 01:17:46,016
mysterious there were gods everywhere you didn't know how things worked you regarded everything

927
01:17:46,016 --> 01:17:52,916
with astonishment you were constantly interrogating what why why why why you know so yeah the child

928
01:17:52,916 --> 01:18:01,695
yeah i ask why nine times in a row yeah um yeah that's that's my notes that's a walk a romp

929
01:18:01,695 --> 01:18:07,735
through the question concerning technology uh let's maybe what even before we kind of close on

930
01:18:07,735 --> 01:18:12,516
the essay but like what's the relevance to bitcoin like i don't know where he was casing and maybe

931
01:18:12,516 --> 01:18:15,676
not where casing is going to go with this but what does this provoke in you regarding bitcoin

932
01:18:15,676 --> 01:18:25,195
the what ardian uh ardian tola um an albanian philosopher technologist developer on bitcoin

933
01:18:25,195 --> 01:18:30,916
incredible this incredible mind thinking in the bitcoin space the incredible one-liner that he

934
01:18:30,916 --> 01:18:37,176
dropped to us that i think both of us have kind of been pondering for a while now it's bitcoin is

935
01:18:37,176 --> 01:18:43,536
the enemy and putting it to guests throwing it at them too yeah and so yeah i mean just like

936
01:18:43,536 --> 01:18:52,315
just like facebook is the enemy or x is the enemy or 24-hour news coverage is the enemy yeah you

937
01:18:52,315 --> 01:19:00,256
know there is something about bitcoin that is the enemy which is that with facebook we focus on

938
01:19:00,256 --> 01:19:07,596
connection and we lack community with bitcoin we focus on wealth and we lack yeah i don't know

939
01:19:07,596 --> 01:19:12,996
growth we like community whatever we lack everything else you know like you become

940
01:19:12,996 --> 01:19:20,935
hyper focused upon one thing that if the world adopts this that all the problems are solved

941
01:19:20,935 --> 01:19:27,216
yet you're trying to press pause on your own problems on the problems of the people around you

942
01:19:27,216 --> 01:19:31,456
that, yes, they would be solved if they would just adopt Bitcoin,

943
01:19:31,576 --> 01:19:32,616
but actually they wouldn't.

944
01:19:33,016 --> 01:19:35,855
You know, like, it's not going to.

945
01:19:36,235 --> 01:19:38,815
And if you're thinking, you know, I have stored my Bitcoin

946
01:19:38,815 --> 01:19:41,275
so I can help my family when I'm rich,

947
01:19:41,376 --> 01:19:43,775
I'm going to sell you for the health, help them now.

948
01:19:43,835 --> 01:19:46,355
Like what people need is more, is not,

949
01:19:46,435 --> 01:19:48,376
you think you can make all the problems go away

950
01:19:48,376 --> 01:19:49,456
if you have enough money.

951
01:19:49,456 --> 01:19:51,636
And maybe that's certainly true for many problems,

952
01:19:51,815 --> 01:19:54,376
but what many people need is like presence.

953
01:19:54,376 --> 01:19:58,116
Yeah, just think you've got someone in front of you drowning.

954
01:19:58,616 --> 01:19:58,815
Yeah.

955
01:19:59,056 --> 01:20:04,976
And you're standing on the shore and you're saying, hey, I've got a life preserver over here.

956
01:20:05,616 --> 01:20:09,956
And as soon as it's filled with air, you'll be able to get it and I'll pull you out.

957
01:20:10,596 --> 01:20:12,235
And they're like, well, you can swim.

958
01:20:12,596 --> 01:20:13,536
Like, help me out, bro.

959
01:20:13,935 --> 01:20:14,156
Yeah.

960
01:20:14,516 --> 01:20:16,996
Bitcoin is a means of exchange, not just a store of value.

961
01:20:17,176 --> 01:20:17,656
Use it.

962
01:20:17,976 --> 01:20:18,235
Yeah.

963
01:20:18,496 --> 01:20:20,735
So Bitcoin is modern technology, though.

964
01:20:20,735 --> 01:20:33,315
Heidegger says modern technology challenges forth a call that we view all things as what we can extract from them in the form of resources.

965
01:20:33,476 --> 01:20:37,416
Does Bitcoin cause us to view the world as standing reserve?

966
01:20:37,556 --> 01:20:40,656
We can extract energy from it to get up the hash rate.

967
01:20:41,195 --> 01:20:45,956
We can mine Bitcoin for ourselves and hold it as a standing reserve for later use.

968
01:20:45,956 --> 01:20:50,596
I mean, is it within like that's the inframing mindset, I guess.

969
01:20:50,596 --> 01:20:57,815
How many people now look at the entire world as they're Bitcoiners and they look at the entire world as a means to get more Bitcoin?

970
01:20:58,036 --> 01:20:58,195
Yeah.

971
01:20:58,416 --> 01:21:01,916
You know, they look at it as a standing reserve of Bitcoin.

972
01:21:01,916 --> 01:21:14,775
You know, and that's, I think, why what brought me into Bitcoin, Alex Gladstein, it's kind of outside of the inframing mindset because it is Bitcoin is not just a tool to extract energy or, you know, wealth or whatever.

973
01:21:14,775 --> 01:21:24,775
It's a way that people can live within oppressive regimes, gain a sort of equality with people who live within monetary systems that aren't entirely wrecked.

974
01:21:25,516 --> 01:21:30,996
And so there are ways to regard Bitcoin outside of that in framing mindset, I think.

975
01:21:31,376 --> 01:21:42,116
Yeah. Yeah. So when I come to the clearing in the path and there stands the shimmering glowing figure that is being and the veil and that shimmering glowing figure is Bitcoin.

976
01:21:42,116 --> 01:21:43,855
What is what is the veil veil?

977
01:21:43,855 --> 01:21:49,636
Yeah, that's a good question. And maybe it's even, we can never know that. We can always, we can at least know.

978
01:21:49,756 --> 01:21:54,195
That's exactly what we talked about, right? It's not what it's veiling. It's that there is a veil.

979
01:21:54,195 --> 01:21:58,835
That there is a veil. We can at least know there is something not transparent about Bitcoin.

980
01:21:59,016 --> 01:22:05,596
You think you understand it perfectly and all of its implications. Maybe behind the veil, Bitcoin is the enemy.

981
01:22:05,775 --> 01:22:09,516
Maybe behind the veil is something else about Bitcoin is good that we don't know.

982
01:22:09,516 --> 01:22:38,016
Maybe he's behind the veil. It's just simply, you know, who knows? It's not revealed to us. So we haven't exhausted our exploration of Bitcoin. We never will. That's a humbling thing. The person who you think is an expert and wants to push an update to the system because they say, Bitcoin has revealed everything to me. We can know about it. I know how it operates. I know how it's incentive system functions and everything about it. Let's just upgrade so we can trade GIFs on chain or whatever, you know.

983
01:22:38,016 --> 01:22:41,016
So maybe there's a veil there they haven't seen.

984
01:22:41,656 --> 01:22:42,935
Well, it could be.

985
01:22:43,235 --> 01:22:43,435
Yeah.

986
01:22:44,096 --> 01:22:45,496
So anything else on Heidegger?

987
01:22:45,756 --> 01:22:47,435
Heidegger, the question concerning technology,

988
01:22:47,435 --> 01:22:49,216
that's going to get us to where we could talk about

989
01:22:49,216 --> 01:22:53,355
crypto sovereignty by Eric Kaysen in the future.

990
01:22:53,355 --> 01:22:55,416
But anything else on Martin Heidegger,

991
01:22:55,496 --> 01:22:56,775
the question concerning technology.

992
01:22:57,376 --> 01:22:58,876
Yeah, keep your cell phone in your pocket

993
01:22:58,876 --> 01:23:00,176
the way you would keep your other...

994
01:23:00,176 --> 01:23:00,835
Don't keep it in your pocket,

995
01:23:01,056 --> 01:23:02,116
because that's going to...

996
01:23:02,116 --> 01:23:02,735
Keep it, sorry.

997
01:23:03,395 --> 01:23:05,835
Keep it hidden from public the way you would

998
01:23:05,835 --> 01:23:07,676
your other masturbatory devices.

999
01:23:07,676 --> 01:23:08,676
There we go.

1000
01:23:08,676 --> 01:23:11,355
If that's your fetish still, man, keep that to yourself.

1001
01:23:11,355 --> 01:23:12,355
And it is too.

1002
01:23:12,355 --> 01:23:15,456
Like there was, I was sitting in the sauna and I looked over the shoulder of a guy who

1003
01:23:15,456 --> 01:23:17,795
had his phone out and he was watching porn.

1004
01:23:17,795 --> 01:23:19,916
Was he sitting in the sauna?

1005
01:23:19,967 --> 01:23:21,527
He's scrolling through.

1006
01:23:23,407 --> 01:23:25,647
I mean, it's just so normalized for some people.

1007
01:23:25,647 --> 01:23:27,527
He probably didn't even realize it for him.

1008
01:23:27,667 --> 01:23:27,987
It's just like.

1009
01:23:27,987 --> 01:23:29,347
And commenting out loud on it.

1010
01:23:29,407 --> 01:23:29,787
Was he really?

1011
01:23:29,867 --> 01:23:30,047
Yeah.

1012
01:23:30,227 --> 01:23:30,627
Yeah.

1013
01:23:30,787 --> 01:23:32,127
Trying to make a social at least.

1014
01:23:32,287 --> 01:23:32,547
Yeah.

1015
01:23:32,707 --> 01:23:36,267
In Kravatis would say it's like out Kravatis with you.

1016
01:23:37,587 --> 01:23:39,047
What a grand, grand world.

1017
01:23:39,587 --> 01:23:39,807
Yeah.

1018
01:23:39,927 --> 01:23:40,727
I'm happy for it.

1019
01:23:40,907 --> 01:23:41,747
That's a wrap, man.