1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,960 we are recording contra welcome to the podcast yeah thanks for having me jake no it's my pleasure 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:13,820 and how i'm going to start today is a little different to normal but i um i dug it up last 3 00:00:13,820 --> 00:00:20,780 night and as i said before i'm always keen on organic conversation but there was a a note that 4 00:00:20,780 --> 00:00:27,980 you posted that i found and it's just such an interesting point of view on what nostr actually 5 00:00:27,980 --> 00:00:40,300 represents and why it's important. And I dug it up here. Where is it? Here we go. So you posted this, 6 00:00:41,480 --> 00:00:48,420 when is it? November. So maybe six weeks ago. I refuse to stop being a thought criminal. 7 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:53,220 The thought criminal is the person who shows up daily to share unfiltered thoughts, 8 00:00:53,220 --> 00:00:58,640 encourage others to reclaim their own minds, and create spaces where clarity is possible. 9 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:04,660 It's someone who understands that in an age of managed anxiety and algorithmic negativity, 10 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:12,140 genuine encouragement is dangerous because it reminds people they're still capable of sovereignty over their own thinking. 11 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,220 The thought criminal doesn't reject society. 12 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:20,840 They reject the specific machinery designed to capture minds while calling it connection, 13 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,580 and suppress dissent while calling it safety 14 00:01:23,580 --> 00:01:27,000 and eliminate independent thought while calling it progress. 15 00:01:27,700 --> 00:01:30,680 Here in the purple verse, speaking plainly, thinking clearly, 16 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,020 and encouraging others to do the same is a small act of defiance 17 00:01:34,020 --> 00:01:36,320 against the walt reality we see every day. 18 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,260 The purple pill helps the orange pill go down. 19 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:40,440 Boom. 20 00:01:40,940 --> 00:01:42,500 Maybe we end the podcast there. 21 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,820 But Contra, tell me, where did the inspiration for that post come from? 22 00:01:45,820 --> 00:01:52,200 um you know a lot of and i've mentioned this before on several of my posts people ask where 23 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:57,920 i pull content from it it uh it literally just some of these things cross my mind as i deal with 24 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,600 them uh each and every day so i mean it could be a clip of you know i see on australia it could be 25 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:08,620 something i'm dealing with in life a podcast i'm listening to and uh there's uh i don't remember 26 00:02:08,620 --> 00:02:15,580 exactly uh i might have read it also but i think it was a podcast um from uh actually a reform 27 00:02:15,580 --> 00:02:20,720 pastor who deals with this thought criminal and embracing the idea of being a thought criminal. 28 00:02:21,340 --> 00:02:26,740 And it just got me thinking, like, thoughts are dangerous, right? A lot of what people are 29 00:02:26,740 --> 00:02:32,220 dealing with today, speaking truth into a society that's constantly manipulated, 30 00:02:32,940 --> 00:02:38,200 those are dangerous. And so just trying to put that into perspective on, you know, 31 00:02:38,460 --> 00:02:44,240 what Nostra is at its heart, at its foundation, just got me thinking, like, 32 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:50,940 this is the free space that like i think people want maybe i mean for us who are on it it's 33 00:02:50,940 --> 00:02:55,100 definitely a reality and it's it's you see this freedom daily as we post on these things so 34 00:02:55,100 --> 00:03:00,380 um there's a lot of depth to that post obviously and i took some time to write that out well 35 00:03:00,380 --> 00:03:07,760 um but essentially i think it gets down to some of the incentive uh structures that um these modern 36 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:14,820 social media, I should say legacy platforms, kind of where they disseminate information. 37 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:21,760 And a lot of them are optimizing for, you know, engagement through outrage and anxiety. 38 00:03:22,500 --> 00:03:29,500 And I guess I just like to question that narrative with just basic questions and getting people 39 00:03:29,500 --> 00:03:33,860 to think clearly rather than just accepting the norm of whatever is being brought out 40 00:03:33,860 --> 00:03:36,160 in front of their faces, I guess. 41 00:03:37,540 --> 00:03:41,340 So I think that's kind of where I was going with it. 42 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,560 I mean, there is a machinery that's involved in our culture today, I think. 43 00:03:46,420 --> 00:03:51,220 And this machinery, I don't think it's conspiratorial by nature. 44 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:52,960 I think it's a reality. 45 00:03:53,060 --> 00:03:53,980 I think it's purposeful. 46 00:03:53,980 --> 00:03:58,920 And it is emergent from the broken systems that we live in today. 47 00:03:59,180 --> 00:04:03,720 And so, you know, especially for us Purpleverse people, as I said, 48 00:04:03,860 --> 00:04:13,420 Bitcoin and Nostra kind of fixes both of these layers, speaking truth into the information aspect of it, as well as the monetary aspects of it. 49 00:04:13,500 --> 00:04:20,800 So I think that's kind of where I was going with it and just speaking freely as a free person, a sovereign person, shall, ought to. 50 00:04:22,900 --> 00:04:29,600 It's so cool, isn't it? The process of almost the documentation of your thought processes. 51 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,480 and it totally resonates with me 52 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,220 the idea that you just get these things in a moment and you just post them. 53 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,740 I think in some ways that's what's 54 00:04:41,740 --> 00:04:45,600 valuable because as the consumer of said 55 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,140 content, I know that that's coming from a place of 56 00:04:49,140 --> 00:04:53,800 your heart in a way. You're like, I actually think this right now. 57 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,520 It's not like some predefined schedule that's trying to hype up an algorithm 58 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:03,400 them to create as many eyeballs as possible. It's like there's, I saw recently, there's only three 59 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:12,320 or 4,000 daily active users on Nostra. There's no one here, essentially, versus 1.5 billion daily 60 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:19,780 users on Instagram. It's crazy. Crazy. Yeah. But it's different. It's absolutely different. 61 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:27,160 The whole construction of it. And let's say you caught my attention. And that's just one of many 62 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:32,160 posts that I've come across since I, um, you know, found your account on Noster where you 63 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:37,860 really just like synthesize something so important. You go, Oh, I love that. I've got to talk to this 64 00:05:37,860 --> 00:05:45,000 guy at some point. Um, let's sit on this idea of the thought police. Yeah. What is that? And why 65 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:52,640 does that exist? Yeah, I think, uh, the thought police is essentially again, alluding back to 66 00:05:52,640 --> 00:06:02,900 this machinery of this culture we live in. And when there's a threat to a societal norm, 67 00:06:03,540 --> 00:06:10,320 somebody's freedom, somebody able to speak freely or to act freely, the police will come after you. 68 00:06:10,380 --> 00:06:16,420 And whether that be an X algorithm, an Instagram algorithm, I mean, you name every platform out 69 00:06:16,420 --> 00:06:21,900 there, they're going to police that. And because it doesn't fit into their worldview, their 70 00:06:21,900 --> 00:06:28,100 structure. It doesn't buy clicks. It doesn't make them money. And I think that's one of the 71 00:06:28,100 --> 00:06:36,000 beauties of Nostra is I don't see people on there to make money. That's a huge aspect. That's huge 72 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:41,860 motivations for people on all these other platforms, which is why you don't see the amount of people 73 00:06:41,860 --> 00:06:48,180 probably on here. People are looking for that algorithm to make them bigger, to make them money. 74 00:06:48,180 --> 00:06:55,680 and you know what, if I get one zap, one sat on, you know, one sentence I say because I'm just 75 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:02,680 thinking of something, I'll take that all day over 50,000 likes, say on X or said protocol or 76 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:07,860 platform, sorry. So I think it speaks to going back to kind of what you alluded to earlier, 77 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:12,220 that freedom, that sovereignty that we have is like, look, I don't need somebody to tell me 78 00:07:12,220 --> 00:07:16,240 how to think. I don't need you to tell me what to see in front of me on my thread. 79 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:23,420 I'm curating this. And the Thought Police is essentially these CEOs and these organizations 80 00:07:23,420 --> 00:07:30,300 that are worth billions and trillions of dollars that really are using its users. They are the 81 00:07:30,300 --> 00:07:35,560 product. And I don't think people see that. And they've kind of curated a society to believe 82 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:43,460 these things. And I think that's why Noster is so beautiful. I think people forgot what it looks 83 00:07:43,460 --> 00:07:49,640 like to be free and you have all these people essentially hurting uh the sheep if you will and 84 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:54,900 people don't see it so yeah thought policing is exactly that they're they want you to think a 85 00:07:54,900 --> 00:07:58,340 certain way and behave a certain way and essentially bow the knee at the end of the day 86 00:07:58,340 --> 00:08:07,580 it's fascinating isn't it because like what even is freedom great question like let's let's let's 87 00:08:07,580 --> 00:08:13,160 hang on that so um yeah was freedom a subject that you were always interested in and what does 88 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:20,620 it mean to you yeah that's that's a good question uh it's it's even more interesting for me just so 89 00:08:20,620 --> 00:08:24,960 not to dig too much into my history into my background but you know i come from a more of 90 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:29,300 a military background as much or as that yeah as much as little as you want contra there's no need 91 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:37,820 to yeah yeah it's a military background okay well yeah military background um and i joined because 92 00:08:37,820 --> 00:08:44,300 I just I wasn't fitting in with the education system after I graduated from high school here. 93 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:51,580 I did college for a few years and it was just like I feel like I'm being fed crap and I needed to grow up. 94 00:08:51,580 --> 00:08:56,180 And I was like, well, hey, maybe I was married at the time as well. 95 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,640 So I was married super young. And my wife's like, why don't you try the military? 96 00:08:59,700 --> 00:09:02,200 And I was like, military is for nerds like that's not for me. 97 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:10,360 I grew up a jock, super competitive. And I sat down one day with a dude by the name of, his name's Alex. 98 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,080 I don't talk to him anymore, but I still remember it because it's just, it was a vivid memory. 99 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:22,200 But he got me sucked into this military mindset and this competition and what the U.S. government, 100 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,780 the U.S. military does for its people. And I didn't think a lot about it in my, 101 00:09:26,780 --> 00:09:30,620 I was in my late teens at the time and early 20s going into it. 102 00:09:30,620 --> 00:09:39,300 And so I essentially allowed myself to be captured by the government with no freedoms. 103 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:45,860 I was essentially owned and stamped by a government who told me where to go, when to go, what to eat and when to eat. 104 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:51,300 And in some senses, it was good for me as a man not growing up with a father. 105 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,640 So structure was good for me. All men need that structure. 106 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:55,960 And I didn't have that. So that was good. 107 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:01,140 But it wasn't until I got out and I transitioned out where I started questioning a lot of things. 108 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:08,020 I did a lot of things, the brainwashing really that really happens in the military. 109 00:10:09,260 --> 00:10:15,880 And so that freedom aspect when I got out was like, okay, I'm starting to question all these systems. 110 00:10:15,980 --> 00:10:17,100 I was part of this system. 111 00:10:17,940 --> 00:10:20,320 What's the purpose of this system? 112 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:32,060 And, you know, America, its political figures wants you to believe that freedom is free because the people that protect you and your in your said country. 113 00:10:32,580 --> 00:10:44,860 And, you know, I started questioning deployments. I started questioning certain wars we were part of in the Middle East, wars I was a part of and just questioning the narrative and not understanding that there is there is more things at stake than what I knew. 114 00:10:44,860 --> 00:11:00,580 And so freedom, I would say, really began for me understanding it maybe a decade ago to know that we're raised in a system essentially that's captured us. 115 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:08,280 And until I started really questioning narratives and reading books that nobody wants you to read, essentially, it really started opening up my eyes. 116 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:14,680 And so I'm not anti-military. I still train with the military often. I do contracting work. 117 00:11:14,860 --> 00:11:22,260 But I always feed guys just questions to get them thinking because nobody helped me to think that way. 118 00:11:22,380 --> 00:11:31,120 And so I think freedom is just the free will to act and do as you will without anybody impeding on your ability to do something. 119 00:11:31,900 --> 00:11:33,960 And that goes from thinking to acting. 120 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,820 It goes to using social media to your financial means. 121 00:11:38,820 --> 00:11:42,740 And we have all been captured into this system. 122 00:11:42,740 --> 00:11:45,320 and I don't think a lot of people know it. 123 00:11:45,500 --> 00:11:46,840 A Noster is definitely awake to it, 124 00:11:46,940 --> 00:11:49,260 which is why it's so rewarding to be on there 125 00:11:49,260 --> 00:11:50,880 because you're around more like-minded people, 126 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:52,200 which is helpful. 127 00:11:52,540 --> 00:11:55,640 So that's my basic, I guess, nutshell 128 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,840 without getting too many rabbit trails 129 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,040 of what freedom is ultimately. 130 00:12:03,420 --> 00:12:05,500 It's a really fascinating story. 131 00:12:05,980 --> 00:12:08,420 In some ways, I wish this was an offline conversation 132 00:12:08,420 --> 00:12:09,880 so I could ask some more detail, 133 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:17,120 But shout out to Average Gary, who came on the podcast a couple of episodes ago and spoke 134 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,120 through a similar experience of joining the military. 135 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,340 And there's now a community called Bitcoin Veterans that he's part of. 136 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:23,500 I'm sure you know those guys. 137 00:12:24,260 --> 00:12:24,700 Yes, I'm on it. 138 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,200 I've actually, I've met a few ex-military guys in the Bitcoin space. 139 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,440 I'm from UK originally, but now based in Australia. 140 00:12:32,580 --> 00:12:36,280 And I met an Aussie Bitcoiner who was ex-Australian Navy. 141 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:43,960 and almost every single one of them has the same trend of story which is i was doing something 142 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:50,720 that for a certain period of time felt right and slowly but surely it got chipped away at 143 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:57,500 and suddenly start doing things you're like hang on a second that doesn't make sense and when you 144 00:12:57,500 --> 00:13:04,860 ask the question why you get reminded that you have no answer you are just a piece in the machinery 145 00:13:04,860 --> 00:13:09,860 and that itself is an extremely disempowering fact 146 00:13:09,860 --> 00:13:15,240 that people who are in many ways ideologically driven, 147 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:20,220 this idea of freedom drives a lot of Western military concepts. 148 00:13:21,940 --> 00:13:23,420 But do you know what I mean? 149 00:13:23,540 --> 00:13:25,640 They don't actually gel. 150 00:13:26,540 --> 00:13:26,900 They don't. 151 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:28,440 Yeah. 152 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,380 Without sharing specifics, Contra, 153 00:13:32,380 --> 00:13:37,940 Could you share, was there a specific moment where you go, oh my God, I can't do this any longer? 154 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:47,580 You know, I think I've listened to enough podcasts and I've read enough books about most people going down a lot of rabbit holes. 155 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:53,900 And I can't specifically say there was this key moment or this key genesis. 156 00:13:54,020 --> 00:13:54,760 There was a genesis. 157 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:56,200 I don't think it was one moment. 158 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:08,020 I think it was a culmination of just a lot of certain things that came into my life at very specific times, which I believe are providential. 159 00:14:08,020 --> 00:14:19,742 And they just got me going down a course where nobody led me It just kind of one thing led to the next And then it just branched out from there 160 00:14:20,122 --> 00:14:23,662 And I mean, everything changes once you go down that rabbit hole. 161 00:14:23,762 --> 00:14:24,782 You don't think the same. 162 00:14:25,182 --> 00:14:27,202 You start questioning things you've done in the past. 163 00:14:27,702 --> 00:14:37,622 And that's essentially, I think, what, you know, that the eye-opening moment, if you will, where you become awake. 164 00:14:37,622 --> 00:14:39,482 I think that's when things start clicking. 165 00:14:39,482 --> 00:14:43,362 you start putting pieces together when you start becoming awake. So I can't specifically say there 166 00:14:43,362 --> 00:14:47,182 was one specific thing. It was just, there was a person here that mentioned something, 167 00:14:47,682 --> 00:14:51,922 you know, maybe weeks, months, years later, somebody else mentioned something else. And I 168 00:14:51,922 --> 00:14:56,382 started just, you know, in my quiet moments or my downtime, started putting pieces together and 169 00:14:56,382 --> 00:14:59,942 reading books and listening to people that just kind of opened up my worldview. 170 00:15:01,522 --> 00:15:07,262 Awesome. And it takes time. It takes work. Even in this conversation we're having right now, 171 00:15:07,262 --> 00:15:13,462 I mean, ultimately what I love about these is it's like, who are you and what brought you to today? 172 00:15:14,302 --> 00:15:25,782 And everyone's completely unique, has these extraordinarily rich and intense and romantic stories that bring you to today. 173 00:15:27,922 --> 00:15:32,822 Let's shift a slightly then to talk more about what that sense of freedom is. 174 00:15:32,982 --> 00:15:34,482 So the act of free will. 175 00:15:34,482 --> 00:15:40,662 how do you exercise that today versus perhaps in the past where you didn't have that 176 00:15:40,662 --> 00:15:50,602 yeah good question um i mean for me it's it starts in the home um every single day you know 177 00:15:50,602 --> 00:15:56,182 my main responsibility is making sure uh i'm present for my wife giving her everything she 178 00:15:56,182 --> 00:16:04,242 needs uh to structure the house when i'm outside of it and uh having the financial means to do that 179 00:16:04,242 --> 00:16:09,122 gives her the ability to fulfill her role as the wife, which then leads into my children. 180 00:16:09,282 --> 00:16:10,882 So it starts really at home for me. 181 00:16:11,682 --> 00:16:18,182 And then giving my kids the things, the tools, the books, the education that I didn't receive, 182 00:16:18,322 --> 00:16:21,662 just always questioning narratives that you're being told. 183 00:16:23,122 --> 00:16:31,582 So getting them prepared when I wasn't prepared to essentially face a culture that is really 184 00:16:31,582 --> 00:16:38,382 going to be hard pressed against them and to have answers for them to push their narratives 185 00:16:38,382 --> 00:16:42,862 or their worldviews on, you know, the way that I raised them to believe and to stand up for it. 186 00:16:42,862 --> 00:16:50,302 And so as I do that in my house, you know, I go out into a world and I would love for Bitcoin to 187 00:16:50,302 --> 00:16:56,382 be the standard around the world. I know we're in a fight and it's going to take time. I hope 188 00:16:56,382 --> 00:17:02,782 to see it in our lifetime like everybody does. But I think once you, you know, that cliche saying, 189 00:17:02,782 --> 00:17:08,302 you fix the money, you fix the world, that's a reality. And I don't think it sets in for enough 190 00:17:08,302 --> 00:17:14,302 people to understand because we're run by a financial system that essentially governs 191 00:17:14,302 --> 00:17:19,662 everything we do from governmental leaders to corporations all the way down into households. 192 00:17:19,662 --> 00:17:25,422 It starts with there, but the individual responsibility has to start with yourself 193 00:17:25,422 --> 00:17:31,422 first and foremost, to inform yourself, to educate yourself, and then to equip your family, 194 00:17:31,802 --> 00:17:38,302 equip the people that are around your sphere of influence and begin to question their narratives. 195 00:17:38,622 --> 00:17:45,242 And I did a podcast with Source and a couple other guys maybe a couple months ago. And 196 00:17:45,242 --> 00:17:52,602 you want to talk about somebody who can orange pill somebody, that's your guy. He's mastered it. 197 00:17:52,602 --> 00:18:03,902 And I think we can use a lot of his, not only the resources he uses, but kind of just the, I guess the lingo. 198 00:18:05,182 --> 00:18:16,682 He's gotten really good at trying to help people to think in ways, like I was speaking about, that aren't normal, that really fight against the times of our society. 199 00:18:16,882 --> 00:18:20,362 And so not only financially with Bitcoin, but we can do that with everything. 200 00:18:20,722 --> 00:18:21,682 We can do that with Nostra. 201 00:18:21,682 --> 00:18:23,062 This is the free space of thinking. 202 00:18:23,282 --> 00:18:30,262 And if we can get good at purple pilling people, you know, I deal with a lot of dudes and I try to tell them all the time to get on it. 203 00:18:30,362 --> 00:18:32,462 And they're like, well, what's the main thing about it? 204 00:18:32,462 --> 00:18:33,122 And I'm like, freedom. 205 00:18:33,602 --> 00:18:35,562 And they're like, well, what's so free about it? 206 00:18:35,642 --> 00:18:37,922 And I'm like, it's not run by anybody, period. 207 00:18:38,602 --> 00:18:39,282 It's yours. 208 00:18:39,582 --> 00:18:40,482 You design it. 209 00:18:40,602 --> 00:18:41,322 You create it. 210 00:18:41,402 --> 00:18:42,522 You friend who you want to friend. 211 00:18:42,982 --> 00:18:45,382 You're not given recommendations like this is all yours. 212 00:18:45,382 --> 00:18:48,402 And on top of it, it's not, it can't be censored. 213 00:18:48,682 --> 00:18:50,162 And you get to earn Bitcoin on top of it. 214 00:18:50,162 --> 00:18:52,282 And then you can zap people for content you like. 215 00:18:52,402 --> 00:18:56,882 So these concepts of just the freedom of what kind of what you're asking is, 216 00:18:58,002 --> 00:19:03,242 people are not awake enough to this concept of what freedom actually looks like. 217 00:19:03,562 --> 00:19:05,422 And so it takes time. 218 00:19:05,822 --> 00:19:08,142 And, you know, podcasts are popular just like this one. 219 00:19:08,502 --> 00:19:14,062 But I think ultimately at the ground level, it starts with the people and your sphere of influence 220 00:19:14,062 --> 00:19:16,822 and the people you talk to daily and just getting them to think. 221 00:19:17,142 --> 00:19:18,262 I don't think we do that enough. 222 00:19:18,262 --> 00:19:25,902 oh what an amazing reply and as you said that like it starts in the home i had this really 223 00:19:25,902 --> 00:19:32,442 strong feeling of emotion like kind of right through me i haven't felt that actually um on 224 00:19:32,442 --> 00:19:39,862 a podcast before and largely that's because of my recent experience as a dad of three young kids and 225 00:19:39,862 --> 00:19:44,682 actually getting the keys to a house that we own and just a lot of stuff's happened for us that's 226 00:19:44,682 --> 00:19:49,682 really important from a kind of stability perspective um and and it's also it's that 227 00:19:49,682 --> 00:19:56,862 re-engineering of focus around this is my job you know as the as the kind of protector provider role 228 00:19:56,862 --> 00:20:02,382 for a woman to then flourish in the feminine below that with the children below beside is a better 229 00:20:02,382 --> 00:20:11,122 word um but some some cool coaching i was doing recently and i love talking about capital and how 230 00:20:11,122 --> 00:20:19,282 you can create, maintain, grow over time. And part of that is humanistic. So that is your relationships, 231 00:20:19,282 --> 00:20:25,502 that is your wife, that is your children. And in that sense, a nice image that I came across 232 00:20:25,502 --> 00:20:29,782 recently is this idea, you only go to like a, I don't think I've ever even been to a party with 233 00:20:29,782 --> 00:20:36,422 this, but a movie will have like a champagne tower, right? And it flows off the first level 234 00:20:36,422 --> 00:20:39,682 and flows off the second level, then the third, then the fourth, maybe you could think of like a 235 00:20:39,682 --> 00:20:45,142 big chocolate fondue or whatever that's great yeah the first cup that you're filling up needs 236 00:20:45,142 --> 00:20:52,302 to be you yeah ultimately it has to be you because if you're not fit strong ready then nothing else 237 00:20:52,302 --> 00:20:57,882 works so providing you're doing that as step one step two is on your wife because frankly your kids 238 00:20:57,882 --> 00:21:04,182 will move out of home at some point it's you and her forever and therefore once you've figured 239 00:21:04,182 --> 00:21:08,762 yourself out it's then about figuring out her situation and then below that comes your kids 240 00:21:08,762 --> 00:21:11,182 and then below that comes everything else. 241 00:21:11,842 --> 00:21:15,262 And if you're filling the cup of someone or something 242 00:21:15,262 --> 00:21:18,562 that's below those first two or three tiers, why? 243 00:21:19,082 --> 00:21:21,502 You have to have a really, really good reason 244 00:21:21,502 --> 00:21:25,182 to not be trying to solidify your stored capital 245 00:21:25,182 --> 00:21:26,442 in the first three tiers. 246 00:21:27,002 --> 00:21:28,702 And so that resonates a lot, Contra. 247 00:21:29,162 --> 00:21:30,642 Have you always been like that? 248 00:21:31,482 --> 00:21:31,882 No. 249 00:21:32,282 --> 00:21:36,862 So like I said, I come from a broken home. 250 00:21:36,862 --> 00:21:43,642 um my mom's been married three times now and uh so i've had essentially my biological father left 251 00:21:43,642 --> 00:21:50,042 when i was super young so i didn't have him in my life ever i had a stepdad and then now uh he's 252 00:21:50,042 --> 00:21:55,082 since passed uh and then now my mom's remarried to another guy and uh so i never had that father 253 00:21:55,082 --> 00:22:00,722 figure and so the marine corps kind of became that for me in a lot of ways uh just the discipline 254 00:22:00,722 --> 00:22:06,042 and structure so i didn't have that i did grow up with uh with eight uncles on one side of my on my 255 00:22:06,042 --> 00:22:12,182 mom's family. So I did have some male figures in my life. They were more of the mindset of 256 00:22:12,182 --> 00:22:17,642 work hard, play hard. And so you had this concept of, you know, working your ass off 257 00:22:17,642 --> 00:22:22,462 all day, every day. And then when you have some free time, go party it up and live your life. 258 00:22:22,602 --> 00:22:28,382 And I tried to go down that road many times, Jake, and it never ended well. It always ended 259 00:22:28,382 --> 00:22:31,742 with more problems, especially being married as young as I was. I tried to ruin my marriage 260 00:22:31,742 --> 00:22:38,062 multiple times. And thank God my wife continues to have some grace for me and stayed with me. But 261 00:22:38,062 --> 00:22:46,082 I didn't have that. And it wasn't until probably around like 2014, 2015, again, going back and 262 00:22:46,082 --> 00:22:51,762 reading and listening to some more masculine dudes. And a lot of guys start with the Joe Rogans and 263 00:22:51,762 --> 00:22:56,682 some of these podcast guys. And some of those concepts are helpful. They really are. But 264 00:22:56,682 --> 00:23:04,402 So ultimately, biblically, especially for me, understanding the patriarchy and what I'm called to be as a man, 265 00:23:04,922 --> 00:23:12,562 I started just really trying to understand, you know, what happened the generation before me with my family. 266 00:23:12,962 --> 00:23:16,422 And my whole mom's side of the family is, I think, all but one has been divorced. 267 00:23:16,422 --> 00:23:18,242 So it's 10 kids and almost all have been divorced. 268 00:23:18,462 --> 00:23:25,462 And I just always got – I began to question as I got older, kind of that awakening moment, like I stated earlier, 269 00:23:25,462 --> 00:23:29,302 where I was just like, this whole, you know, work hard, play hard thing, 270 00:23:29,402 --> 00:23:30,422 like this isn't working. 271 00:23:30,842 --> 00:23:34,622 Like, and so where can I find answers that's going to help me, right? 272 00:23:34,662 --> 00:23:38,202 And you talk with your friends and you try to, you know, 273 00:23:38,282 --> 00:23:41,122 glean a little bit from their experiences if they had fathers and stuff. 274 00:23:41,322 --> 00:23:44,662 And so, again, I don't think it was one moment, 275 00:23:44,662 --> 00:23:48,862 but over a period of time, it began to snowball 276 00:23:48,862 --> 00:23:53,202 and understand that like, no, like my wife, first and foremost, 277 00:23:53,202 --> 00:24:00,382 she needs me to make sure I'm being responsible with what I'm essentially over, what I'm in charge 278 00:24:00,382 --> 00:24:08,282 of. And she really helped to equip me and push me and drive me to work hard, to go after the goals 279 00:24:08,282 --> 00:24:14,442 and things that, you know, I was going after. And having that foundation at home is key, 280 00:24:14,822 --> 00:24:19,862 a healthy household. I'm not really good at work if I'm not good at home. And the same goes both 281 00:24:19,862 --> 00:24:23,642 ways. If I'm not performing well at work, at least my wife can pick me up at the end of the day. 282 00:24:24,802 --> 00:24:30,482 So it started with taking care of myself first, understanding myself, understanding my worldview, 283 00:24:31,122 --> 00:24:37,382 and then loving my wife like I hadn't seen anybody else in my upbringing do, which is just to, 284 00:24:37,382 --> 00:24:42,442 you know, love my wife, provide for her, give her. She has the keys to the castle, the house, 285 00:24:42,882 --> 00:24:48,102 and my job is to help her to fill that household. So when I come home, it's, you know, it's clean, 286 00:24:48,102 --> 00:24:51,362 It's prepared. It's she has the food that she needs to prepare for the family. 287 00:24:51,642 --> 00:24:54,562 And then my kids are grown up with with both parents in the house. 288 00:24:54,902 --> 00:24:59,802 And so it took time. I haven't always been good at it. 289 00:24:59,862 --> 00:25:09,322 I'm still learning. But I think now with a lot of systems that we put in place in our own household and kind of having these. 290 00:25:10,082 --> 00:25:14,282 I wouldn't say like their family meetings, but we check in on each other a lot. 291 00:25:14,282 --> 00:25:21,062 And, you know, when we wrong each other, we confess these things to each other early and often and just say, hey, I failed you. 292 00:25:21,362 --> 00:25:28,182 I never had many men in my life ever apologize for taking responsibility for things that they had wronged other people with. 293 00:25:28,482 --> 00:25:30,282 Men are terrible at it. 294 00:25:30,502 --> 00:25:35,202 But I have no problem apologizing now, you know, if I've wronged somebody. 295 00:25:35,362 --> 00:25:36,562 And it's really simple. 296 00:25:36,682 --> 00:25:37,642 It's just like they're human. 297 00:25:37,862 --> 00:25:38,662 Like, so treat them human. 298 00:25:39,102 --> 00:25:39,342 Right. 299 00:25:39,342 --> 00:25:44,042 And so I raise my voice to be manly, to stand up, to be physical, you know, work out. 300 00:25:44,142 --> 00:25:45,962 You need to be able to prepare yourself for this world. 301 00:25:46,402 --> 00:25:49,542 And at the end of the day, we need men. 302 00:25:50,442 --> 00:25:54,502 The world's not going to run real well without men, masculine men. 303 00:25:54,662 --> 00:25:58,942 And I know that term gets thrown out and kind of convoluted in a lot of ways. 304 00:25:58,942 --> 00:26:08,402 But I think the ultimate, you know, title, if you will, masculine men is love your wife, give her the things that she needs. 305 00:26:08,402 --> 00:26:12,662 and then make sure you're there to help raise your family and your kids. 306 00:26:13,042 --> 00:26:17,462 And then just like you said, that waterfall effect, it bleeds out from there. 307 00:26:17,502 --> 00:26:20,742 And I wish I had more kids when I was younger because if you want to change a generation, 308 00:26:20,822 --> 00:26:23,062 you want to change a culture, we'll then have more kids. 309 00:26:23,442 --> 00:26:28,442 Because then I can essentially raise them and teach them with my worldview, 310 00:26:29,022 --> 00:26:33,682 which I believe I think a lot of us are in a lot of the same worldviews. 311 00:26:33,722 --> 00:26:34,762 It's like, hey, just let us live. 312 00:26:34,762 --> 00:26:39,082 and let us create the tools we need so that we can thrive as a community. 313 00:26:39,262 --> 00:26:41,982 And we have, you know, Noster is a small borough, small community, 314 00:26:42,082 --> 00:26:45,522 but there's people all over the world that I've talked to through Noster 315 00:26:45,522 --> 00:26:47,382 that are doing the same things that we're doing. 316 00:26:47,982 --> 00:26:51,302 And so if we start here, we raise it into the next, 317 00:26:51,402 --> 00:26:55,102 or we bleed it into the next generation, then I think we can continue to grow. 318 00:26:55,102 --> 00:26:58,042 So I do have hope in it, but to answer your question, 319 00:26:58,242 --> 00:27:00,562 this whole thing has been a process for me, Jake. 320 00:27:01,782 --> 00:27:03,402 No, and same here. 321 00:27:03,402 --> 00:27:07,122 one of the hardest things is admitting that you've made a mistake. 322 00:27:08,842 --> 00:27:14,762 It's one of those obvious tropes that gets rolled out on lots of wellness podcasts, 323 00:27:14,962 --> 00:27:19,102 except failure, or equally in the startup space where I worked for a long time. 324 00:27:19,722 --> 00:27:22,342 It's like you want to fail fast or make failure your friend. 325 00:27:23,042 --> 00:27:25,722 Great, but it's actually really hard. 326 00:27:25,722 --> 00:27:26,862 Yeah, it is, yeah. 327 00:27:27,762 --> 00:27:30,622 Contra, what I'd love to do is then spin back to this idea of freedom 328 00:27:30,622 --> 00:27:39,222 and acting with free will because it strikes me that it's on a spectrum and a lot of that spectrum 329 00:27:39,222 --> 00:27:45,682 is actually driven by choice so had you stayed in the military your ability to exercise free will 330 00:27:45,682 --> 00:27:52,442 was limited in comparison to where you're at today and not that it's the same decision but 331 00:27:52,442 --> 00:27:58,302 you could go and post on instagram right now if you wanted or you can post on nostor why 332 00:27:58,302 --> 00:28:05,942 obviously will drive the decision as to which but they're both a a form of free will given one is 333 00:28:05,942 --> 00:28:11,882 a centralized platform someone's digital real estate you're renting that space until you can't 334 00:28:11,882 --> 00:28:17,662 the other a protocol that you can build on top of and the user is the center they're very very 335 00:28:17,662 --> 00:28:23,102 different but you're talking to 4 000 people versus 1.5 billion yeah yeah you get it couldn't 336 00:28:23,102 --> 00:28:36,604 be you get one viral post you get 10 likes on oscar right you get a viral post on these other platforms 50 you know whatever 20 Yeah quite different It crazy So how do you you know we spoke about 337 00:28:36,604 --> 00:28:43,644 like focusing on yourself and the home, but this idea of free will, like I pay more taxes than my 338 00:28:43,644 --> 00:28:50,404 great grandfather, for sure, because of the way that the tax system has encroached into the 339 00:28:50,404 --> 00:28:57,104 financial world um it's it's it's backed up by guns you know i'm currently in australia basically 340 00:28:57,104 --> 00:29:03,264 no one has a gun the the covid lockdowns are the most extraordinary experience here given the lack 341 00:29:03,264 --> 00:29:10,164 of ability to to react to a government it was it was extraordinary we went to a number of freedom 342 00:29:10,164 --> 00:29:16,664 rallies like anti-lockdown protests as they got redubbed and were deemed extremely irresponsible 343 00:29:16,664 --> 00:29:19,204 for breaking the chief health officer's rules. 344 00:29:20,164 --> 00:29:21,664 Just so ludicrous. 345 00:29:21,664 --> 00:29:22,004 Crazy. 346 00:29:22,684 --> 00:29:27,284 And it's like both my wife and my mother-in-law 347 00:29:27,284 --> 00:29:30,384 ended up in central Melbourne in handcuffs 348 00:29:30,384 --> 00:29:33,744 or partially handcuffs from a police that were being used 349 00:29:33,744 --> 00:29:40,164 to protect the decision-making of a obviously fascist agreement 350 00:29:40,164 --> 00:29:42,964 between a medical empire and a government. 351 00:29:43,504 --> 00:29:44,784 That's what it is, right? 352 00:29:44,784 --> 00:29:51,924 And then you call it medical apartheid because people who got the jab were allowed to do stuff and people that didn't weren't. 353 00:29:52,164 --> 00:29:56,724 You get, I mean, you wouldn't be invited back to lunch to most places. 354 00:29:57,144 --> 00:30:00,784 But like, what are we talking about here if we can't talk about it? 355 00:30:01,744 --> 00:30:14,464 And hence why recording and speaking via NOS is so interesting because, you know, as a capital allocator, I could spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and hours of my time pumping into a YouTube channel over five years. 356 00:30:14,784 --> 00:30:20,004 to just be rug pulled right it's like a horrendous counterparty risk that most people with a sunk 357 00:30:20,004 --> 00:30:25,064 cost in that platform aren't willing to admit fortunately for me i'm at the start i don't have 358 00:30:25,064 --> 00:30:29,204 to necessarily think about those things right now and i don't need to make money from this so i can 359 00:30:29,204 --> 00:30:34,944 go in this direction that's what's beautiful about it yep but like what is free will and how do we 360 00:30:34,944 --> 00:30:40,744 you know how do we build a more free space for us even in the confines of the playing field that 361 00:30:40,744 --> 00:30:49,184 we're given. Yeah. You really want to push against the structure I see, Jake, and you're 362 00:30:49,184 --> 00:30:57,704 right to do so. And I don't think America is very far behind Australia or the UK or a lot of these 363 00:30:57,704 --> 00:31:03,444 other countries, honestly. I really don't. We talk about a two-party system here in America. 364 00:31:04,184 --> 00:31:09,304 I don't believe that. It's definitely a unit party. It's different ideologies that have the 365 00:31:09,304 --> 00:31:13,724 same outcome, which leads you to want to ask the question, well, what's the motive? 366 00:31:14,444 --> 00:31:20,564 And I think ultimately you can get down to a motive of obviously power and money. 367 00:31:21,064 --> 00:31:25,124 And if you have both of those, then you can control people, right? 368 00:31:25,204 --> 00:31:28,564 I'm sure you guys experienced that where you're at and even where you're from. 369 00:31:29,324 --> 00:31:32,384 And history doesn't go away. 370 00:31:32,384 --> 00:31:35,604 You know, the saying is it will repeat itself. 371 00:31:35,604 --> 00:31:39,144 and I believe it will in America 372 00:31:39,144 --> 00:31:41,084 as we're right at that fourth turning 373 00:31:41,084 --> 00:31:42,504 that everyone talks about, right? 374 00:31:42,564 --> 00:31:43,784 I think you've even mentioned something 375 00:31:43,784 --> 00:31:44,744 about fourth turning before. 376 00:31:45,144 --> 00:31:46,684 Yeah, I've looked at that, yeah. 377 00:31:47,224 --> 00:31:52,724 Yeah, and so I think this idea of free will 378 00:31:52,724 --> 00:31:57,824 is why Nostra is so important 379 00:31:57,824 --> 00:31:59,724 and let me tell you why, right? 380 00:31:59,724 --> 00:32:01,384 And even with the mesh networks 381 00:32:01,384 --> 00:32:04,524 and all kinds of other technological networks 382 00:32:04,524 --> 00:32:06,524 that these developers are building, 383 00:32:06,704 --> 00:32:08,764 which I think are going to be more useful 384 00:32:08,764 --> 00:32:10,904 than we really acknowledge at this point. 385 00:32:11,364 --> 00:32:13,264 They're cool technology when they first come out. 386 00:32:13,644 --> 00:32:14,324 They're a toy. 387 00:32:14,424 --> 00:32:15,184 People play with them. 388 00:32:16,044 --> 00:32:17,244 But I think at some point, 389 00:32:17,324 --> 00:32:20,004 we're going to be reliant upon these technologies 390 00:32:20,004 --> 00:32:22,424 to be able to communicate with one another 391 00:32:22,424 --> 00:32:25,304 to help one another. 392 00:32:26,184 --> 00:32:29,384 And because they will herd people, 393 00:32:29,524 --> 00:32:30,944 as you just stated, like in Melbourne, 394 00:32:30,944 --> 00:32:40,924 when people come out and speak their voices against these tyrannical ideas and tyrannical everything, really, 395 00:32:41,304 --> 00:32:47,464 then I think we're in trouble, especially in a place where you're at where there are no guns. 396 00:32:49,464 --> 00:32:54,544 The American citizens, at least the people I deal with the most in my world, 397 00:32:54,544 --> 00:33:02,504 are mostly within the confines of what I believe about protecting themselves, 398 00:33:03,024 --> 00:33:07,784 not only from people, bad guys, but from the government ultimately. 399 00:33:08,464 --> 00:33:12,004 I think they understand that that's why the Second Amendment exists. 400 00:33:12,004 --> 00:33:15,404 And I think COVID woke us up to that big time. 401 00:33:16,284 --> 00:33:20,784 And I had a conversation with Source about this even also, 402 00:33:20,784 --> 00:33:28,144 is that the left and the right, it will never be a battle because the left doesn't want guns. 403 00:33:28,884 --> 00:33:30,764 They want more of your style of government. 404 00:33:31,604 --> 00:33:37,844 And the right, I would say, they're the ones who have the guns. 405 00:33:37,844 --> 00:33:43,744 They're the ones living in more rural areas, and they like exercising their Second Amendment. 406 00:33:44,644 --> 00:33:46,964 Some of them understand their freedoms, and some of them don't. 407 00:33:46,964 --> 00:33:55,104 ultimately I like shooting I'm good at shooting but I've come to a realization that you know I'm 408 00:33:55,104 --> 00:33:58,884 not I'm going to be dealing with the government more than I am with you know a bad guy that wants 409 00:33:58,884 --> 00:34:03,964 to try to break into my house that's just the reality at some point I don't know when that will 410 00:34:03,964 --> 00:34:10,744 be I don't know when you know who will be in charge of our government at that time but I think 411 00:34:10,744 --> 00:34:17,944 ultimately circling back to your question on this free will, it really comes down to 412 00:34:17,944 --> 00:34:27,584 coming alongside like-minded people, families that are going down the same path and are willing to 413 00:34:27,584 --> 00:34:34,504 link arms despite not having everything in common, but core basic life principles and understanding 414 00:34:34,504 --> 00:34:42,124 freedom. And again, I think you can define freedom and many people have different probably 415 00:34:42,124 --> 00:34:48,904 definitions of it, but the ability to move freely without interruption, right? I mean, 416 00:34:49,344 --> 00:34:53,504 that's one aspect of physical freedom. What other types of freedoms are there, right? I mean, 417 00:34:53,504 --> 00:34:58,404 monetary freedom, social freedom, whether it be online or whatever it is, 418 00:34:58,404 --> 00:35:04,644 we need more structures in place to be able to communicate with one another and create 419 00:35:04,644 --> 00:35:14,564 businesses, create essentially our own cities. I mean, our own cities, our own places where we can 420 00:35:14,564 --> 00:35:18,804 exist without government interference. And I think that's ultimately what it comes down to, 421 00:35:18,804 --> 00:35:23,204 is it's going to take groups of people that are going down the same path that will fight for the 422 00:35:23,204 --> 00:35:28,104 things that we believe. And that's going to be a hard fight for small groups of people when 423 00:35:28,104 --> 00:35:34,004 we live in these types of governments because they're supposed to be working for us and they 424 00:35:34,004 --> 00:35:41,364 don't. So I think it's, we're at an uphill battle, but I wouldn't pay too much attention to it. I did 425 00:35:41,364 --> 00:35:46,144 for a long period of time. Again, going back to what, what can I influence right now? And that's 426 00:35:46,744 --> 00:35:52,544 my family, which then bleeds out from there. And then coming alongside people on Nostra and, 427 00:35:52,624 --> 00:35:56,284 you know, not trying to start wars. I like to post some controversy every once in a while, 428 00:35:56,284 --> 00:35:59,004 I'll just disturb people's brains up a little bit to get them to think. 429 00:35:59,384 --> 00:36:00,644 And it's okay if you disagree with me. 430 00:36:00,644 --> 00:36:01,324 You don't have to agree. 431 00:36:01,644 --> 00:36:02,884 But I'll leave room for interpretation. 432 00:36:03,244 --> 00:36:06,904 And I don't think people sometimes, even on Noster, it's funny. 433 00:36:08,184 --> 00:36:14,044 I'll post something, and I'm willing and able and ready to engage back with people. 434 00:36:14,624 --> 00:36:20,944 And people will post thoughtful comebacks or thoughtful replies. 435 00:36:21,444 --> 00:36:24,524 But usually the discourse doesn't last too long. 436 00:36:24,524 --> 00:36:26,324 And I always ask myself why. 437 00:36:26,824 --> 00:36:28,124 And it's usually because of time preference. 438 00:36:28,284 --> 00:36:31,244 I mean, people don't want to give themselves too much to it or they run out of ideas. 439 00:36:31,784 --> 00:36:39,044 Or you can clearly see when AI is being used and you're essentially being, I'm talking to a bot rather than a person and a free thinker. 440 00:36:39,404 --> 00:36:39,584 Yeah. 441 00:36:40,804 --> 00:36:42,664 So that's kind of frustrating. 442 00:36:42,764 --> 00:36:44,144 But understanding that's the world we live in. 443 00:36:44,144 --> 00:36:52,604 And so having this discourse with other people like you and me are doing right now, I think is how freedom will continue to exist ultimately. 444 00:36:52,604 --> 00:36:58,924 it's like it's like blending together a series of experiences that don't make sense 445 00:36:58,924 --> 00:37:07,524 hang on sorry i was i was told that i lived in a liberal democracy and in the constitution it 446 00:37:07,524 --> 00:37:12,944 says you have the freedom to move this is australia specifically and the first thing that 447 00:37:12,944 --> 00:37:20,724 happened excuse me is the there's like there's a bunch of states uh that make up australia and 448 00:37:20,724 --> 00:37:25,024 they closed the state borders you couldn't travel between the two of them without getting a certain 449 00:37:25,024 --> 00:37:31,164 test so well hang on it says in the head terms of the country that i've just become a citizen of 450 00:37:31,164 --> 00:37:37,244 more recently actually um that you can move anywhere you want so why can't i move anywhere 451 00:37:37,244 --> 00:37:41,804 i want it's like well some spurious health department somewhere has said that it's too 452 00:37:41,804 --> 00:37:46,404 dangerous for you to move anywhere and the point of that is it really speaks to this idea of 453 00:37:46,404 --> 00:37:50,084 you're operating within a system ruled by rulers. 454 00:37:51,324 --> 00:37:55,524 And as and when that system from a, I think, 455 00:37:56,524 --> 00:37:58,804 and this is an interesting one, it's like this whole concept of they, 456 00:37:59,064 --> 00:38:01,884 which can be helpful, but also unhelpful. 457 00:38:02,864 --> 00:38:05,804 It's a self-protective system, 458 00:38:06,704 --> 00:38:09,724 much like any organic organism in a way, 459 00:38:09,724 --> 00:38:12,084 like the state wants to get bigger. 460 00:38:12,364 --> 00:38:13,644 It wants to defend itself. 461 00:38:13,784 --> 00:38:14,844 It wants to continue. 462 00:38:14,844 --> 00:38:23,184 and it uses people and ideologies to do so and even to have that statement you've got to have 463 00:38:23,184 --> 00:38:28,244 done some work to figure out well what do you mean what is statism is that even a word and 464 00:38:28,244 --> 00:38:33,044 yeah i think what's fun though is thinking through like practical steps like don't 465 00:38:33,044 --> 00:38:37,464 don't listen to the fucking news you know i went to a protest for example where they told everyone 466 00:38:37,464 --> 00:38:43,964 that hundreds of people were there and someone beat up a police horse that was the news and i was 467 00:38:43,964 --> 00:38:49,144 there and there were thousands of people from every color every age all saying this doesn't 468 00:38:49,144 --> 00:38:57,184 make sense so they they'd capped the attendance by 10x wow wow hang on how many times in my life 469 00:38:57,184 --> 00:39:02,184 have i been lied to literally like blatant lie that i've physically seen a difference to 470 00:39:02,184 --> 00:39:09,584 yeah um but perhaps contra do you agree with me with this statement so like like if freedom's a 471 00:39:09,584 --> 00:39:14,644 spectrum and you want to live as close to the end of the spectrum that is freedom itself, 472 00:39:15,324 --> 00:39:21,164 choosing to have your money in Bitcoin is an absolutely critical step on the way there. 473 00:39:21,964 --> 00:39:29,624 So do you think that you live a life full of free will? How am I saying this correctly? Is your 474 00:39:29,624 --> 00:39:35,584 ability to act with free will now better as a result of adopting Bitcoin? And what has that 475 00:39:35,584 --> 00:39:44,064 experience being like on that process yeah uh i would say 476 00:39:44,064 --> 00:39:53,924 not yet i would say that it gives me now 477 00:39:53,924 --> 00:40:03,924 an out of a system that requires me to still be in it although i i don't think that 478 00:40:03,924 --> 00:40:11,184 we as Bitcoiners can truly exist apart from the system that we currently live in, the fiat system. 479 00:40:12,444 --> 00:40:15,464 And I think that goes back to kind of what I stated earlier, 480 00:40:15,464 --> 00:40:23,724 as far as having collective minds come together in where we live to create systems 481 00:40:23,724 --> 00:40:29,284 where we can freely spend our Bitcoin in a circular economy. 482 00:40:30,244 --> 00:40:50,124 And so until, and I think there are certain places around the U.S., and especially obviously in other places in the world that have Bitcoin more of a standard, they are going to be far better off than we will because they've already started it. 483 00:40:50,124 --> 00:40:56,604 Now, we've started it too. I think we're still wrestling with the tension of both sides of it, and we'll get there. 484 00:40:56,604 --> 00:41:00,964 And I think we have good people that are in good positions to help us get there as well. 485 00:41:01,884 --> 00:41:03,104 They're leading the charge. 486 00:41:04,384 --> 00:41:12,964 But for me personally, I think it's given me kind of like, how would I want to say it? 487 00:41:15,244 --> 00:41:16,824 It's like a backup, right? 488 00:41:17,244 --> 00:41:24,544 If a system fails, there's enough things on the internet where I can use Bitcoin to shop for a lot of necessities, right? 489 00:41:24,544 --> 00:41:34,104 Especially with Jack incorporating Bitcoin into Square, that's huge because I would say there's not a ton of people that use Square. 490 00:41:34,424 --> 00:41:37,144 There are a lot of people who use Square, so excuse me for saying that. 491 00:41:37,224 --> 00:41:42,684 But there's enough businesses out there that use Square where we could still utilize that. 492 00:41:42,684 --> 00:42:02,024 Now, if, say, I don't know how it would play out ultimately, but would the system, kind of what you ran into as far as moving, what kind of walls would the government put up for, say, a Square merchant if they tried to outlaw something like Bitcoin, which obviously they can't. 493 00:42:02,504 --> 00:42:09,564 But if they were to say, hey, you can't, if I'm transacting in Bitcoin, you can no longer convert that over to fiat like Square does now or vice versa. 494 00:42:09,564 --> 00:42:17,064 right so i think we need to be ready for things like that i'm sure you know i want to say jack is 495 00:42:17,064 --> 00:42:23,964 is trying to do the right things but uh he's he's in a different playing field than most of us are 496 00:42:23,964 --> 00:42:32,804 but i would say it gives us a road that leads away from where the rest of society is for the rest of 497 00:42:32,804 --> 00:42:37,804 where our government makes us stay trapped in. 498 00:42:38,244 --> 00:42:49,006 So I think the combination of both Bitcoin and Nostra together they give us something to start with and we need to keep building if that makes sense 499 00:42:49,986 --> 00:42:50,866 Absolutely agree. 500 00:42:51,406 --> 00:42:55,166 And I was struck by this idea as you were speaking, 501 00:42:55,906 --> 00:42:57,046 which I'm sure you've come across before, 502 00:42:57,146 --> 00:43:00,346 which is the idea of building on the shoulders of giants. 503 00:43:00,906 --> 00:43:03,986 And in particular, it's quite a cool concept when you look at 504 00:43:03,986 --> 00:43:06,786 when and how Bitcoin was created. 505 00:43:06,786 --> 00:43:12,326 and it's really like a 50-year process of computer science compounding and compounding 506 00:43:12,326 --> 00:43:17,306 and compounding until eventually there's a breakthrough that we discover digital scarcity 507 00:43:17,306 --> 00:43:22,286 and again people don't understand the profound nature of that statement I just made. 508 00:43:22,286 --> 00:43:31,206 But I wonder with this kind of societal structure question and a lot of what Jeff Booth will talk 509 00:43:31,206 --> 00:43:35,586 about resonates a lot in terms of like you can't fix a system from within the system you have to 510 00:43:35,586 --> 00:43:40,666 create something new. I agree with that. But as I'm sitting here now, I'm thinking, well, actually, 511 00:43:41,266 --> 00:43:45,446 like, you know, the real estate market, it doesn't need to completely change. 512 00:43:45,926 --> 00:43:51,346 Like the idea of private property is a concept that could remain. It's just that the way that 513 00:43:51,346 --> 00:43:55,066 we transact for it could be different, because you're using a different base layer of money. 514 00:43:55,726 --> 00:44:00,086 Or maybe the Australian dollar suddenly pegged to Bitcoin rather than the central bank bond. 515 00:44:00,086 --> 00:44:04,426 so it's not like we need to completely tear down 516 00:44:04,426 --> 00:44:06,766 what's already being built 517 00:44:06,766 --> 00:44:08,866 it's about incorporating something in 518 00:44:08,866 --> 00:44:11,086 with a superior feature set than before 519 00:44:11,086 --> 00:44:14,366 because it was interesting 520 00:44:14,366 --> 00:44:17,666 you immediately went to the operational issues 521 00:44:17,666 --> 00:44:20,446 of using Bitcoin as a Bitcoin maxi every day 522 00:44:20,446 --> 00:44:22,926 to fulfill daily requirements 523 00:44:22,926 --> 00:44:25,566 from a freedom of will perspective 524 00:44:25,566 --> 00:44:28,706 for me moving into Bitcoin was more around 525 00:44:28,706 --> 00:44:35,746 like as an investor, most or a traditionally managed portfolio of assets would have 100% 526 00:44:35,746 --> 00:44:40,766 counterparty risk. And that is not something that people understand. It's like you've got a wealth 527 00:44:40,766 --> 00:44:45,366 advisor looking after a bunch of things that essentially you have to ask permission to get 528 00:44:45,366 --> 00:44:50,166 your stuff. And maybe the stock market will be closed, or maybe the banks are closed, or maybe 529 00:44:50,166 --> 00:44:55,866 your wealth advisors on holiday, or you name it, right? Or actually, they decide you're a felon of 530 00:44:55,866 --> 00:45:01,366 some form because you posted something on a on a on a website and now they've gone and completely 531 00:45:01,366 --> 00:45:06,846 frozen all your assets or you happen to be a nationality that's at war with someone and all 532 00:45:06,846 --> 00:45:12,066 your assets get frozen because of new sanctions like who knows right but by moving your wealth 533 00:45:12,066 --> 00:45:19,946 into bitcoin your counterparty risk is so much better in self-custody that my freedom of will 534 00:45:19,946 --> 00:45:25,466 has improved as a result so i think this idea of freedom is something that you can actually cherry 535 00:45:25,466 --> 00:45:30,246 pick certain bits and pieces that improve your ability to have freedom of will like another would 536 00:45:30,246 --> 00:45:36,426 be an employment contract and if you have built yourself a position of bitcoin which i've seen 537 00:45:36,426 --> 00:45:40,766 multiple people do now over the last five years that i've been meeting up with at bitcoin meetups 538 00:45:40,766 --> 00:45:46,126 where they were accountants or electricians and they've just been stacking bitcoin diligently 539 00:45:46,126 --> 00:45:51,646 for five years they're now taking caravan trips around australia or they're having a sabbatical 540 00:45:51,646 --> 00:45:53,386 or they're starting their own business, 541 00:45:54,206 --> 00:45:56,206 they've built themselves a position of freedom 542 00:45:56,206 --> 00:45:58,066 that previously wasn't there. 543 00:45:58,766 --> 00:46:00,586 So I guess what I'm getting at is 544 00:46:00,586 --> 00:46:02,626 there are practical things that we can do every day 545 00:46:02,626 --> 00:46:05,826 that you can choose to live a more free life. 546 00:46:07,006 --> 00:46:09,246 Because sometimes it can be a bit overwhelming, can't it? 547 00:46:09,286 --> 00:46:10,826 It's like, how am I even going to... 548 00:46:10,826 --> 00:46:11,466 Oh, fuck. 549 00:46:12,166 --> 00:46:12,846 Yeah, exactly. 550 00:46:14,186 --> 00:46:15,986 I think you're exactly right. 551 00:46:16,306 --> 00:46:17,966 We give ourselves an opportunity 552 00:46:17,966 --> 00:46:19,206 and I think that's what we want. 553 00:46:19,486 --> 00:46:21,106 It starts with an opportunity, right? 554 00:46:21,106 --> 00:46:27,106 And Bitcoin gave us that opportunity, an idea, and that idea is going to have consequences. 555 00:46:27,106 --> 00:46:34,806 And I think that's why governments haven't adopted it, because there will be consequences and people are going to lose power and money ultimately. 556 00:46:35,006 --> 00:46:40,346 Right. And you become more free and more sovereign because of it. 557 00:46:40,666 --> 00:46:45,986 And that's a threat to somebody's livelihood or or a system and its livelihood. 558 00:46:45,986 --> 00:46:50,186 and heaven forbid, I don't know how many empires 559 00:46:50,186 --> 00:46:53,506 we have to see fall, but ultimately it all leads to the same place. 560 00:46:55,486 --> 00:46:57,066 Yeah, it's that process of 561 00:46:57,066 --> 00:47:01,266 spring, summer, autumn, winter, and round we go again. 562 00:47:01,266 --> 00:47:02,986 And it builds on itself. 563 00:47:04,066 --> 00:47:09,286 Contra, okay, so we've got give or take 5-10 minutes left. This is a big question that we would 564 00:47:09,286 --> 00:47:13,266 never be able to answer in 5 minutes, but we referenced the Bible earlier. 565 00:47:13,266 --> 00:47:15,406 so I'm intrigued what 566 00:47:15,406 --> 00:47:18,266 you learn from the Bible and how it helps you 567 00:47:18,266 --> 00:47:18,606 every day 568 00:47:18,606 --> 00:47:22,306 that's yeah that could be 569 00:47:22,306 --> 00:47:23,286 a whole episode 570 00:47:23,286 --> 00:47:27,966 one day I'll do much 571 00:47:27,966 --> 00:47:30,106 much longer conversations and I'll 572 00:47:30,106 --> 00:47:31,866 organize in person and stuff but 573 00:47:31,866 --> 00:47:34,266 yeah just a shorter 574 00:47:34,266 --> 00:47:35,046 version of that 575 00:47:35,046 --> 00:47:38,426 so I mean ultimately 576 00:47:38,426 --> 00:47:39,926 I grew up in 577 00:47:39,926 --> 00:47:41,786 the Roman Catholic Church 578 00:47:41,786 --> 00:47:44,426 until I was 18 years old. 579 00:47:44,466 --> 00:47:46,366 I was forced to go by my mom. 580 00:47:47,106 --> 00:47:49,726 And I went through all of the steps 581 00:47:49,726 --> 00:47:50,746 that you could possibly go through 582 00:47:50,746 --> 00:47:52,246 or that you're required to go through. 583 00:47:52,986 --> 00:47:55,346 And I didn't understand any of it. 584 00:47:55,466 --> 00:47:55,946 I didn't understand. 585 00:47:56,026 --> 00:47:57,346 Like I had this concept of God. 586 00:47:58,046 --> 00:48:02,186 I had, you know, how deep it was, not very. 587 00:48:03,246 --> 00:48:05,026 But I did have this concept. 588 00:48:05,026 --> 00:48:09,146 And it wasn't until I got married. 589 00:48:10,006 --> 00:48:11,266 I was married at 20. 590 00:48:11,786 --> 00:48:15,806 I wouldn't say until maybe 10 years after I was married. 591 00:48:16,406 --> 00:48:20,946 My wife kind of grew up more in the Protestant Christian church, 592 00:48:21,306 --> 00:48:25,246 and we never really had faith-driven conversations. 593 00:48:26,626 --> 00:48:31,026 We went to church a few times when I was in the military with some friends and stuff, 594 00:48:31,226 --> 00:48:33,366 but it was never just a big aspect of our life. 595 00:48:33,366 --> 00:48:36,126 So without getting all the way into the story, 596 00:48:36,766 --> 00:48:41,186 essentially there was a tipping point on this one, 597 00:48:41,186 --> 00:48:45,326 So there wasn't many on others, but this one was it where my marriage was kind of on the rocks. 598 00:48:45,326 --> 00:48:48,466 I was working a ton. I was always gone, obviously in the military. 599 00:48:48,466 --> 00:48:57,726 I was doing lots of training and gone and doing things that was definitely immoral and unethical and was hurting my wife and my marriage. 600 00:48:57,886 --> 00:49:02,306 And ultimately, she was like, I'm going back to church. And I was like, have fun. 601 00:49:02,586 --> 00:49:05,686 Looks like I get football on Sundays. Right. All to myself. 602 00:49:05,686 --> 00:49:28,526 And, uh, but then I started seeing changes in her. Right. And, uh, it just started getting me going back to the, kind of the other stories where it just started, these questions started kind of poking my, my soul a little bit. And I was like, well, I started picking up books that she just had laying around. And, uh, I posted this actually on, on Noster, uh, about a book called Case for Christ by Lee Strobel. 603 00:49:28,526 --> 00:49:34,486 and that was more or less one of the first books that I've read probably within 48 hours. 604 00:49:34,606 --> 00:49:35,306 I couldn't put it down. 605 00:49:35,466 --> 00:49:39,246 It just gave me a sense of like this makes sense to me. 606 00:49:39,386 --> 00:49:42,626 Like the way that I've experienced life, the way I've experienced the world, 607 00:49:42,726 --> 00:49:48,486 how it operates in its fallen nature with the corruption and the evil and the good. 608 00:49:48,486 --> 00:49:55,446 Like, yeah, we live in a spiritual world and ultimately I just dug in. 609 00:49:55,446 --> 00:49:58,486 and I'm still learning. 610 00:49:58,606 --> 00:50:03,786 Obviously, I've been on this faith journey for, let's see, 24 to 11 years now. 611 00:50:03,886 --> 00:50:06,226 I've grown tremendously in my knowledge. 612 00:50:06,366 --> 00:50:08,426 I read more dead people than I read living people. 613 00:50:09,006 --> 00:50:10,786 Obviously, nobody's living in the Bible right now, 614 00:50:10,786 --> 00:50:17,706 but a lot of dead theologians that kind of just sparked historically politics, 615 00:50:18,226 --> 00:50:22,966 economics, obviously theology, but it's all driven and centered around theology. 616 00:50:23,206 --> 00:50:25,366 So that's how essentially I came to it. 617 00:50:25,446 --> 00:50:28,446 And then just seeing myself ultimately, right? 618 00:50:28,526 --> 00:50:30,686 I'm going to, to give you the gospel message, right? 619 00:50:30,726 --> 00:50:32,026 Like I was a sinner. 620 00:50:32,126 --> 00:50:35,246 I was depraved and I was in, like, I was in need of help. 621 00:50:35,386 --> 00:50:40,306 And I've done, I had essentially done everything that I thought I could do to make myself better. 622 00:50:40,306 --> 00:50:41,306 And I just really couldn't. 623 00:50:41,846 --> 00:50:50,686 And so, you know, I learned why Christ had to come and save sinners because we couldn't fulfill what God required of us. 624 00:50:51,366 --> 00:50:55,106 And he did that on behalf of the people that he loves. 625 00:50:55,106 --> 00:50:57,946 and ultimately I follow him. 626 00:50:58,006 --> 00:50:58,946 I put my trust in him 627 00:50:58,946 --> 00:51:02,186 and my life is only since that day 628 00:51:02,186 --> 00:51:05,506 and continues to be more fruitful because of it. 629 00:51:05,506 --> 00:51:09,866 And so I just challenge people to dig in and ask questions. 630 00:51:10,126 --> 00:51:11,506 Like there's so many, I understand, 631 00:51:11,666 --> 00:51:14,726 like Noster's reach is global, obviously. 632 00:51:15,146 --> 00:51:16,986 And I'll get lots of pushback 633 00:51:16,986 --> 00:51:18,166 from different people all the time, 634 00:51:18,286 --> 00:51:19,946 but I'm willing to engage in those conversations. 635 00:51:20,366 --> 00:51:22,026 And it's more or less just to help people 636 00:51:22,026 --> 00:51:24,666 to see there's truth. 637 00:51:24,666 --> 00:51:28,326 and this truth that I came across, 638 00:51:28,426 --> 00:51:29,586 and I'm not trying to be pluralistic, 639 00:51:29,886 --> 00:51:32,086 this is the truth that I believe in 640 00:51:32,086 --> 00:51:33,566 and I think I can answer 641 00:51:33,566 --> 00:51:35,706 or go back and forth with people 642 00:51:35,706 --> 00:51:37,326 to come to a conclusion 643 00:51:37,326 --> 00:51:39,846 on this is reality of life 644 00:51:39,846 --> 00:51:43,146 and the Christian faith has lasted all these years 645 00:51:43,146 --> 00:51:45,926 and I live by it and help my wife 646 00:51:45,926 --> 00:51:47,386 and teach my boys in the same faith. 647 00:51:47,626 --> 00:51:49,146 So that's essentially kind of it. 648 00:51:50,646 --> 00:51:51,086 Awesome. 649 00:51:51,466 --> 00:51:52,386 Thank you for sharing. 650 00:51:52,386 --> 00:51:57,466 I immediately just popped on my phone as you were explaining that and I've just bought the 651 00:51:57,466 --> 00:52:04,306 kindle version of that book so I'll have a look at it yeah somehow and I've talked about this in 652 00:52:04,306 --> 00:52:09,246 the past from why would you create a podcast perspective and I talk about the idea of leaving 653 00:52:09,246 --> 00:52:14,946 digital breadcrumbs and people find those breadcrumbs and they eventually catch up and they 654 00:52:14,946 --> 00:52:21,466 get to you and I've done that many times with other people and I know that happens with the 655 00:52:21,466 --> 00:52:26,566 content I've created over the years because I get emails and messages from people from all sorts of 656 00:52:26,566 --> 00:52:33,946 different parts of the world but as I grow older I get more spiritual there's no doubt about that 657 00:52:33,946 --> 00:52:38,986 as a trajectory and I've had some already fascinating conversations on this podcast about 658 00:52:38,986 --> 00:52:46,526 like consciousness what God might mean to someone and I love what you mentioned there about like a 659 00:52:46,526 --> 00:52:52,626 book that you just had lying around yeah like that was the breadcrumb the chances what are the 660 00:52:52,626 --> 00:52:58,846 chances but there's the breadcrumb and you go boom i'll take that and and that is then how you seed 661 00:52:58,846 --> 00:53:03,926 an idea and that's what's so cool about all of this because it's totally unique right no one else 662 00:53:03,926 --> 00:53:08,586 has the same life experience and i think one of the one of the pulls to that that book jake is 663 00:53:08,586 --> 00:53:14,346 is uh it was coming from an atheist who had converted to christianity so i had lots of 664 00:53:14,346 --> 00:53:18,586 questions. Just like we go down all these rabbit holes that we've kind of already talked about a 665 00:53:18,586 --> 00:53:25,526 little bit, this was a rabbit hole for me as well. And as I've gotten older, I picked that thing up. 666 00:53:25,546 --> 00:53:29,026 And like I said, I couldn't put it down, but it was answering all the questions that I had. 667 00:53:30,246 --> 00:53:35,846 Not super deep, but deep enough for me to at least grasp the concepts of what was being said 668 00:53:35,846 --> 00:53:43,406 and being defended from scriptures. And I tell you, when I was done with the book, that was 669 00:53:43,406 --> 00:53:48,366 probably the first time in my life where I was like, I know this information now. It's kind of 670 00:53:48,366 --> 00:53:50,886 like when you get to that point in Bitcoin, you're like, now I got to do something. Now I got to buy 671 00:53:50,886 --> 00:53:55,306 Bitcoin. Like I understand it now. Now I need to buy it. It was, it was that moment kind of where 672 00:53:55,306 --> 00:54:01,506 I was like, okay, I think I believe this. Like I feel it in my soul. I believe this. Now I need to 673 00:54:01,506 --> 00:54:05,526 do something with it. And I remember coming to my wife and just started like, well, what do I do now? 674 00:54:05,686 --> 00:54:09,506 Like, I think I believe, you know, this Jesus that came into this world to save sinners 675 00:54:09,506 --> 00:54:11,766 from themselves and from God. 676 00:54:12,466 --> 00:54:14,886 And she was like, just put your faith in it. 677 00:54:14,946 --> 00:54:17,806 Keep reading the Bible and live out what it says 678 00:54:17,806 --> 00:54:19,906 and the way that Jesus lived. 679 00:54:19,946 --> 00:54:21,486 And I was just like, that's it? 680 00:54:21,526 --> 00:54:23,226 Like, I feel like I need to do something, right? 681 00:54:23,706 --> 00:54:26,546 And I feel like I need to enact certain things in my life. 682 00:54:26,546 --> 00:54:29,146 And it really, obviously it's a process. 683 00:54:29,266 --> 00:54:32,246 It's still a process, but I've learned so much. 684 00:54:32,346 --> 00:54:34,046 Just like you said, there's breadcrumbs everywhere. 685 00:54:34,286 --> 00:54:36,866 These dead theologians, a lot of them from Europe, 686 00:54:37,586 --> 00:54:39,326 from the early church. 687 00:54:39,506 --> 00:54:43,866 they've given me more enlightenment than anybody of our time has. 688 00:54:44,306 --> 00:54:48,166 And it's helped me to just, again, structure my family first, 689 00:54:48,746 --> 00:54:52,406 how to organize it, structure it, and then live it out. 690 00:54:52,906 --> 00:54:58,086 And it's been nothing but a blessing and obviously very super fruitful for us. 691 00:54:58,226 --> 00:55:01,266 And so I just implore everybody to at least pick it up and read it 692 00:55:01,266 --> 00:55:03,766 and at least have a conversation and ask questions at the end of the day. 693 00:55:05,166 --> 00:55:09,386 Well, and I think if there's anything that's true from the last five years, 694 00:55:09,506 --> 00:55:11,526 if you haven't asked yourself the question, 695 00:55:12,006 --> 00:55:13,886 why do I know what I know? 696 00:55:14,146 --> 00:55:14,486 Right. 697 00:55:15,026 --> 00:55:16,746 Then you're not asking a key question. 698 00:55:17,226 --> 00:55:17,846 No, you're right. 699 00:55:18,026 --> 00:55:22,866 Because the information that has been shared 700 00:55:22,866 --> 00:55:26,946 and conditioned into us from an extraordinarily young age 701 00:55:26,946 --> 00:55:28,266 through the school systems, 702 00:55:29,266 --> 00:55:31,166 you have to start asking that. 703 00:55:31,546 --> 00:55:35,246 Because even like, you know, for me growing up in England, 704 00:55:35,426 --> 00:55:37,346 we were taught the kings and queens of England. 705 00:55:37,946 --> 00:55:38,906 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 706 00:55:38,906 --> 00:55:40,826 And I can't remember them all now. 707 00:55:41,226 --> 00:55:44,166 But that is a long list of people that won. 708 00:55:45,466 --> 00:55:47,786 And so the truth is, there's someone on the other side of that. 709 00:55:48,346 --> 00:55:51,566 And you can get into Taoism and yin-yang and all this kind of thing. 710 00:55:51,786 --> 00:55:52,946 There's a winner and a loser. 711 00:55:53,166 --> 00:55:55,226 That doesn't mean that the loser's story was wrong. 712 00:55:56,486 --> 00:55:59,226 They just lost that battle. 713 00:56:00,326 --> 00:56:01,946 The war continues, right? 714 00:56:02,306 --> 00:56:02,706 Absolutely. 715 00:56:03,986 --> 00:56:06,986 Oh, Contra, well, mate, thank you so much for sharing your time today. 716 00:56:06,986 --> 00:56:09,726 and it's always amazing to learn from people like yourself. 717 00:56:09,946 --> 00:56:12,686 So as much as I would love to carry this on 718 00:56:12,686 --> 00:56:14,946 for another two, three hours, we'll call it there. 719 00:56:15,766 --> 00:56:18,146 Is there anything you'd like to leave anyone with 720 00:56:18,146 --> 00:56:19,126 just to close things up? 721 00:56:19,966 --> 00:56:20,886 No, I appreciate your time, Jake. 722 00:56:20,906 --> 00:56:22,726 I appreciate this and hopefully we can do it again 723 00:56:22,726 --> 00:56:27,306 and talk about more Nostra, more Bitcoin or life in general. 724 00:56:28,386 --> 00:56:32,326 But no, I just encourage everyone to continue 725 00:56:32,326 --> 00:56:35,046 to remember that we have more in common 726 00:56:35,046 --> 00:56:37,686 than everybody's telling us. 727 00:56:38,366 --> 00:56:41,466 And I think ultimately we all have this feeling 728 00:56:41,466 --> 00:56:43,386 of what's going on around us 729 00:56:43,386 --> 00:56:45,406 and change needs to be implemented. 730 00:56:45,866 --> 00:56:47,466 And at the end of the day, look in the mirror, 731 00:56:47,626 --> 00:56:48,346 we're the change. 732 00:56:50,006 --> 00:56:51,786 Awesome. Great vibe to finish with. 733 00:56:51,906 --> 00:56:52,586 Well, thank you, Contra. 734 00:56:52,986 --> 00:56:54,206 Thanks, Jake. Appreciate it. 735 00:56:55,206 --> 00:56:55,646 Pleasure.