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Hey there, you're

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listening to Unlimited Hangout.

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I'm your host, Whitney Webb.

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Today we are going to be talking

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about speech and how the concept

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of free speech is changing

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rapidly, not just in the United

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States but elsewhere,

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particularly in the West,

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increasingly in the countries

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that have long claimed to

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champion democracy and the

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freedom to say what you wish

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speech is becoming like into

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terrorism and those that speak

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the wrong words could soon find

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themselves labeled as terrorists

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for doing so. As I've noted in

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past articles, and also in a

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more recent speech, the Biden

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administration's policy

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documents for the so called war

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on domestic terror, call for the

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censorship of quote polarizing

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voices, voices that disagree

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with the state's narrative, and

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thus foment disagreement and

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allegedly incite violence, such

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speech if this agenda is allowed

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to advance further, we'll label

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those polarizing figures

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terrorists merely because what

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they say might persuade people

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from distrusting the government.

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There are precedents for what

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follows the implementation of

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such policies, though not so

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much in the West in recent

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history. It's not hard to see

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what the criminalization of

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dissent leads to and what kind

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of government makes that

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criminalization a state policy

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to discuss the state of speech

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in the West. Today I'm joined by

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Gareth Icke a journalist,

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activist and musician who is all

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too familiar with the themes of

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censorship and how this

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particular agenda has been a

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steady if gradual march over the

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course of the past several years

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and even decades. Gareth and his

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family, particularly his father,

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David Icke, have been on the

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frontlines of the censorship

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agenda much longer than most

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people very recently, David Icke

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was banned from visiting several

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European countries after the

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Dutch government made that

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decision, after consultations

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with police and counterterrorism

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officials, has the line between

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inconvenient speech and

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terrorism allegations begun to

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disappear entirely. We'll be

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getting into this question and

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much more in today's podcast. So

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hey, Gareth, thanks for being

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here. And welcome to Unlimited

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Hangout. Thanks for having me.

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My pleasure. So I guess it goes

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without saying that the hot

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topic today is how your father

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has been banned for much of

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Europe. So what exactly

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happened? And what was the role

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as far as you know, of counter

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terror officials and reaching

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that decision?

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It was, well, it was crazy.

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Crazy. So basically, Dad was

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asked to speak at a peace rally

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an anti war rally in, in

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Amsterdam. And as soon as he was

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asked, he said, Yeah, that

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sounds great. I'd love to do

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that. And then the Dutch media

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jumped on that. There's a couple

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of complaints from organizations

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that have kind of gone from my

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dad before that, you know, the

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usual suspects that will have

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ties to Israel, just saying, you

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know, anti Semite anti Semite

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anti Semite, they never give any

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evidence of it. Of course, they

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just kind of shout it. And it

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tends to stick when it comes to

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the media. So the media went on

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the absolute rampage with it.

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page news for like, two weeks.

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bulletins on mainstream news,

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shows, it was crazy, really.

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they had police officers, head

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of police, the mayor, they had

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politicians in there all talking

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about it never asked my dad,

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obviously, for his point of

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view, but but then it got to a

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point in the end where they are

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interviewing two police officers

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or two police chiefs are in one.

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that actually well, we can't ban

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him, because you know, he's not

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done anything wrong. Like he's

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not like as in he doesn't have a

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criminal record. He's not

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breaking the law.

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we can't stop him coming here.

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We can't stop him talking.

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and starts preaching hate, you

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know, which obviously is never

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going to do but if he did, they

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could react at that point,

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obviously, and try and you know,

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shut it down or whatever, but

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they can't stop him. You know,

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you can't do a whole Minority

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precrime it, you know, to which

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the journalist for one of a

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better phrase said, Is there not

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a loophole you can find? Which

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is amazing to me, because, you

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know, if free speech goes,

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journalists are the ones that

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that are going to feel it, you

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know, so it just seemed like

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such a lack of force and that in

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today's world, right, where most

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journalists are, you know,

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extensions of the state. Well,

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yeah. The not fair point. Yeah.

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how it was going and then, but

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he was still traveling there, he

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was still going to do it. And so

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he sent me a picture from him,

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like driving down to the south

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coast to get into the Channel

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So I posted that and then I went

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out for a run like a 10 minute

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guilt run because I've eaten too

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much. And for some bizarre

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reason, I just I don't know why,

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I don't have anything to do

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quickly. Because like you said

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at the top, I'm like crazy busy

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or does, I'll just check, I've

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actually got 10 minutes free.

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an email from the Dutch

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government

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with two PDFs in it, both in

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Dutch, which, obviously, you

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know, I'm English, so I'm

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obnoxious, and I don't know

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foreign languages. So I

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forwarded them over to my dad

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and to his friend cristiana

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who's Dutch and and then, you

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the government. I don't know

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what it means. But there you go.

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when I came back, I had a

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message from from her saying

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that Oh, my goodness me This is

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insane. Like he's banned from

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Holland, he's banned from the

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EU, which is like 26 countries.

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citing the current terror levels

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in in Holland as as a reason for

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his banning.

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level three, which is that there

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is a very real threat. And so

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with him coming, that's a very

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real threat. And I was like that

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is that's we are in the twilight

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zone. Now. This is madness. So

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it was quite funny. So then I

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just tweeted about it, you know,

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like, like, this is what we've

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just found, and obviously got

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the usual kind of Ukraine flag

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and BIOS or celebrating it. And

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and then I then was contacted by

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a few people from the press in

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Holland, obviously had no

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interest in talking to us before

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before this happened. Basically

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saying, Oh, no, that's not what

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it says. That's not what it

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says. And then A and then A

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Dutch politician was

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interviewed. And they said, no,

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no, no, it was done. It was done

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for his benefit, like it was it

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was to protect him. He was in

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danger. I'm thinking right.

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backpedal, but they But what

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they didn't do is they didn't

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tell the prime minister that

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that was there, that that's what

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they were going to say. So he

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was asked about a cop, a cop 28,

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whatever it's called the climate

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conference. And like I say, he

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wasn't given the brief that they

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were pretending it was for my

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dad's own benefit. So he goes on

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this tangent about how he's

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banned because we don't want him

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in our country and this kind of

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stuff. And I said, Well, yeah,

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that he's a conspiracy theorist.

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have conspiracy theorists in our

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country or something like that.

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of went against the backpedal

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because I don't think they

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wouldn't be I don't think they

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expected people to kick off. I

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mean, like I say, a few people

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on Twitter celebrated it, you

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know, the usual suspects. But

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same with with the Alex Jones

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thing. We're kind of like, I

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remember when, you know, it was

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a billion dollars for Alex

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Jones. And I saw lots of I don't

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like Alex Jones, but I can't

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stand Alex Jones, but because of

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the level of it, you know, and

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that was the same with my dad,

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the amount of times I was

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looking through Twitter, which

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is is a bit of a cesspit to be

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fair, but I was looking through,

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and there was lots of, you know,

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oh, my god, I can't stand that

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nut a bar. Like, you know,

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because this is insane. I mean,

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you're banning a guy from from

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the European Union, someone

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who's never committed a crime

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never even been investigated for

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a crime never been arrested for

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anything in his life. He's a 70

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went on the defense. Oh, no, no,

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you know, no, it wasn't for

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that. That's not the reason

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because they realized that

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public opinion was kind of going

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against them in Holland. And it

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still is actually, well, things

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are quite polarized there.

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Right. With a lot of the the

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pharma protests and a lot of

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pushback against, you know, the

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the government, which is really

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closely aligned with the WEF.

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Right, so, Mark Ruta had, I'm

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not sure how to pronounce his

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last name. But anyway, he's the

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Prime Minister. Yeah. And he is

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like Klaus Schwab's five

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favorite, Prime Minister, I

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mean, they've made it, you know,

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not really not, it's not really

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hidden, at least in that regard,

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you don't have to go, looking

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very deeply to find, you know,

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that association. It's like a

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very public one. And from what I

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understand, you know, this year,

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there was like, a speech that

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the king of the Netherlands

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gives or something and for the

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first time, it was greeted with

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like, lots of booze, people are

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very unhappy about the economic

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situation, the the push to

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reduce farming, and food,

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exportation, and food

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production, really, in general,

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and all sorts of other stuff.

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So, you know, I guess this is,

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you know, important context to

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keep in mind when, when

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considering why perhaps they

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were so afraid of your father

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going to speak, because, you

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know, he's a speaker that you

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know,

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that a lot of his audience is

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inspired by what he says, right,

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and it's galvanizing. So

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probably

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concerned about that, I guess,

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giving more steam to the people

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that are increasingly against

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them. At this point, also,

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there's a lot there's a lot of

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people in, in the world in

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general now, I think, especially

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through the COVID era, but in

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the Netherlands that aren't

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pitlick they're not political,

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necessarily. They, they probably

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thought the great reset was a

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conspiracy theory and things

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like that, but then they look at

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Things like, you know, Holland

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is one of the biggest, if not

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the biggest producer of food and

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exporter in the world. And now

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all of a sudden, we're not at

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least. Yeah, well, at least you

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know. And now suddenly, we're

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not growing food. But people are

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starving all over the world. And

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now we're like, we're told

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there's going to be food

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shortages. But now you're the

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government stuff that's

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producing food. But that doesn't

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make sense. And so in their, in

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their minds, they're thinking,

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something's up. And obviously,

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then my dad comes along, and

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like, you know, his weekly

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things are called the dock

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connector. So he kind of takes

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these little dots that people

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think are independent of each

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other, puts it in the bigger

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picture. And then all of a

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sudden, people go, Oh, my God,

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like they're doing this on

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purpose. And they be terrified

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of people realizing that. Yeah,

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so I think what's interesting is

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that a lot of this push to

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really censor and even I guess,

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you could say, attempts to

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destroy people's lives,

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livelihoods and careers. You

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know, the big targets of that.

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And recently, I mean, even

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before other people solid

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affecting them, really, um, it

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was people like Alex Jones, and

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people like your father. And you

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know, maybe they weren't right

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about everything. Right. But

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they were definitely right, a

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long time ago, about a lot of

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stuff we're seeing play out now,

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including this pushed a global

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governance, a push to global

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technocracy

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and all of that, and it kind of

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makes you wonder, you know, why

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they're going so hard for them

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out of everyone else that they

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could potentially go after?

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Well, the other part of it is

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because it's a two year ban, you

401
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know, what, what is it that

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they're planning in the next few

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years across Europe that they

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don't want someone traveling

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around telling people about, you

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know,

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and also the other thing is, I

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got a message from from someone

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a couple of days ago, who is

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kind of inside a little bit, so

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knows a little bit of how it

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works in terms of these these

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bands. And actually, he was

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saying that

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it's your father's not banned

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from from the EU. But actually,

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there's a lot of different

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countries that use these same

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lists. So if you're on this ban

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list for the EU, then actually

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that will apply to almost

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certainly the US, almost

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certainly Canada, New Zealand,

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my dad's already banned from

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Australia. That was, you know,

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three or four years ago. And so

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this person was saying like, you

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know, it also doesn't mean that

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he's not banned from non EU

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countries. Obviously, there's

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this countries in Europe that

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aren't in the European Union,

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but actually, they use the same

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lists. So if you flew to one of

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these countries, you go,

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actually, that's not in the EU,

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that's fine. I'm okay to go

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here.

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You know, you would find that

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when you got to, up to the

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customs gate, or whatever, that

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you wouldn't be coming in, you

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know, so actually, he's

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basically under house arrest in

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the UK.

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Yeah, well, I think that's a

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microcosm of what a lot of us

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are seen to face if things don't

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improve or aren't challenged

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directly with this big push to

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just control movements in

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general and eliminate long, long

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distance travel. Not that long

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from now? Of course not. That

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wouldn't be applying to the

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elites, right? That would just

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be applying to the rest of us.

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But it starting with people like

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your father, obviously, for very

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particular reason. And it has to

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do with what he says and with

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speech. So I guess the question

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then becomes, what are the

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bigger implications

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of that? Where, you know, these

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privileges that I guess we're

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all bound to lose? At some

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point, if this agenda continues

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to march forward? Why is it

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being stripped from certain

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people first, it's because of

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what they're saying. Right? And

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I think some people haven't

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really

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seen that for what it is. I was

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just looking at a story the

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other day where there's a

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journalist in the EU, I believe

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she's German, who was reporting

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from the Donbass and Ukraine

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Alina lip. So she was sanctioned

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by Germany In Germany made plans

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to prosecute her, but now it's

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come out that her parents bank

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accounts were closed by Germany,

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and they've had to leave Germany

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because they've basically been D

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platformed. Because of what

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their daughter did. And, you

490
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know, again, no actual crime,

491
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just reporting that that

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challenge the Germans foreign

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Germany's foreign policy at the

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time as a German citizen, that's

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pretty extreme. Yeah. And I, if

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I'm not mistaken, hasn't your

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family been censored as a

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consequence of

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you know, what your father does

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and says, And in a similar way,

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because it's very interesting to

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me that they'll go after

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people's families, you know, far

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beyond just just them. Oh,

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massively when I mean, the, kind

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of the weirdest one of it is, so

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when my dad had his PayPal taken

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off him. They took everyone's

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like, they took the families but

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But what was really bizarre was

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they took my dad's like, they

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took my mom's, so that's like,

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my dad's ex wife. They've been

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divorced for years. Like, I

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don't know how many years

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they've been divorced for 20

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plus years. And they took they

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took hers and like she would use

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this paper, maybe two

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Pay for like foreign trips, if

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she was going away with their

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friends or whatever, she's not

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even got the same surname, you

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know, obviously, because when

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when they divorced, she went

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back to her maiden name. And,

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um, but the paper took hers. And

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it just felt at the time, like,

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that's just really vindictive,

530
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like just a nasty little spoiled

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little brat, who's been told

532
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that kind of sweets at the

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checkout, you know, just a

534
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little lashing out in such a

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strange, strange way.

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And, you know, it's very

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strange, like, with my dad,

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you're right, in the sense that

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they want to shut him up, and

540
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Alex Jones and others because of

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what they're saying. But I think

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another part of it as well is

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that you make examples of them,

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because they don't want to, in

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my mind, anyway, I don't think

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they want to have to keep

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shutting people up. Because

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that's, you know, a waste of

549
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their time to have to keep

550
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deleting people and banning

551
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people and punishing people for

552
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saying the wrong thing. What the

553
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ideal scenario would be was that

554
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no one would dare say the wrong

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thing. And so you'll find them I

556
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saw it firsthand during COVID,

557
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you know, I was getting, because

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I was very outspoken about it,

559
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but that's fine. Because I'm

560
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self employed, I don't rely on

561
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anyone you know, in that sense,

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and my family are all on board.

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00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,130
So I'm not going to lose that.

564
00:16:08,130 --> 00:16:09,810
And I lost all my Normie friends

565
00:16:09,810 --> 00:16:11,370
like 20 years ago, so I'm not

566
00:16:11,370 --> 00:16:13,890
worried about losing them. So I

567
00:16:13,890 --> 00:16:15,930
had no no fear. Whereas, you

568
00:16:15,930 --> 00:16:16,650
know, I was getting private

569
00:16:16,650 --> 00:16:17,460
messages from people going,

570
00:16:17,460 --> 00:16:18,480
mate, I'm on the same page as

571
00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:19,740
you. But if I said that on my

572
00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,330
Facebook, I'd be sacked on the

573
00:16:21,330 --> 00:16:24,180
spotlight. And so, you know,

574
00:16:24,180 --> 00:16:25,470
even then you creating this

575
00:16:25,470 --> 00:16:26,580
fear. So there's other people

576
00:16:26,580 --> 00:16:27,360
that think, Well, I think the

577
00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:28,710
same as David, but oh, my god,

578
00:16:28,710 --> 00:16:29,610
yeah, well, I ain't gonna say

579
00:16:29,610 --> 00:16:31,170
it, because this, this bloke

580
00:16:31,170 --> 00:16:32,910
banned from Europe, you know,

581
00:16:32,910 --> 00:16:34,530
like, and so people in the end

582
00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,510
will just shut up themselves and

583
00:16:36,510 --> 00:16:39,150
not there, say anything? Right?

584
00:16:39,150 --> 00:16:40,560
Well, I think that's why they've

585
00:16:41,490 --> 00:16:43,080
shifted so much towards this

586
00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:44,790
financial censorship angle.

587
00:16:46,260 --> 00:16:47,760
Also, because it, you know, if

588
00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,620
you can't use a bank account,

589
00:16:49,620 --> 00:16:50,850
and you can't use the financial

590
00:16:50,850 --> 00:16:52,740
system, and you haven't made

591
00:16:52,770 --> 00:16:54,870
plans to be independent of that,

592
00:16:55,170 --> 00:16:56,820
you know, they kick you off it.

593
00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,790
And, you know, you'll, you won't

594
00:16:59,790 --> 00:17:01,500
be able to support yourself and

595
00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:02,580
continue what you're doing. But

596
00:17:02,580 --> 00:17:04,020
I mean, in some countries, this

597
00:17:04,020 --> 00:17:05,160
has even happened to regular

598
00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,170
people that just donated to a

599
00:17:07,170 --> 00:17:08,370
particular cause, like in

600
00:17:08,370 --> 00:17:09,690
Canada, people that donate it to

601
00:17:09,690 --> 00:17:10,980
the trucker protests and stuff

602
00:17:10,980 --> 00:17:11,730
like that had their bank

603
00:17:11,730 --> 00:17:14,280
accounts just taken. And that

604
00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:15,720
was under, you know, state of

605
00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,700
emergency, you know, crisis

606
00:17:17,700 --> 00:17:20,250
legislation, and, you know,

607
00:17:20,430 --> 00:17:21,450
terrorism

608
00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,270
policies originally used for

609
00:17:24,270 --> 00:17:25,620
terrorism that were applied in

610
00:17:25,620 --> 00:17:27,540
that in that particular

611
00:17:28,170 --> 00:17:30,000
scenario, but it's not going I

612
00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,680
mean, it's obviously not going

613
00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:32,670
to stop there, you know.

614
00:17:33,930 --> 00:17:35,220
And this is something that's not

615
00:17:35,220 --> 00:17:36,720
going to stop with, you know,

616
00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:37,830
people who have been outspoken

617
00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:39,060
for a long time, like your

618
00:17:39,060 --> 00:17:41,760
family, or Alex Jones, you know,

619
00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,350
I mean, who's going to be the

620
00:17:43,350 --> 00:17:44,580
next person that's ordered to

621
00:17:44,580 --> 00:17:45,990
pay a billion dollars for

622
00:17:45,990 --> 00:17:47,340
doubting the official story

623
00:17:47,340 --> 00:17:49,440
about something? Exactly. I

624
00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:50,580
mean, you know, that that whole

625
00:17:50,580 --> 00:17:52,440
precedent thing being said with

626
00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:53,850
Alex Jones, you know, within a

627
00:17:53,850 --> 00:17:55,320
few days it was you know, sudden

628
00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:56,490
George Floyd's family are

629
00:17:57,210 --> 00:17:58,650
wanting to sue Kanye West for

630
00:17:58,650 --> 00:17:59,670
something he said, and it's kind

631
00:17:59,670 --> 00:18:01,920
of like, what was it like 250

632
00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:03,030
million or something they wanted

633
00:18:03,030 --> 00:18:04,230
and you're like, Okay, right. So

634
00:18:04,230 --> 00:18:06,030
that that that precedent has

635
00:18:06,030 --> 00:18:07,800
been set already and it's

636
00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:08,820
already being used

637
00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,150
it's it's it's absolutely

638
00:18:12,150 --> 00:18:13,860
ridiculous to me that kind of

639
00:18:13,890 --> 00:18:15,780
people don't have the foresight

640
00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:16,860
because it you know, people are

641
00:18:16,860 --> 00:18:18,270
so tribal so it's kind of like

642
00:18:18,300 --> 00:18:20,070
oh, I don't agree with David

643
00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:21,900
Icke. He's not on my side Like

644
00:18:21,900 --> 00:18:23,760
he's not in my tribe. So destroy

645
00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,050
him. Yeah, good, good, banned

646
00:18:25,050 --> 00:18:26,070
him from everything, destroy

647
00:18:26,070 --> 00:18:27,120
them. And what they don't

648
00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:29,010
realize is that those those

649
00:18:29,010 --> 00:18:30,330
rules, you know, that once

650
00:18:30,330 --> 00:18:31,440
they're normalized, they'll come

651
00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:32,520
for them in the end, because

652
00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,440
that's how it works. And I was

653
00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:35,430
talking actually a couple of

654
00:18:35,430 --> 00:18:37,050
days ago to Ryan Christian, and

655
00:18:37,050 --> 00:18:37,950
we were talking about it and

656
00:18:37,950 --> 00:18:39,450
what I found I mean, I don't

657
00:18:39,450 --> 00:18:40,410
like reading the comments

658
00:18:40,410 --> 00:18:41,640
because like I say, Twitter is a

659
00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,110
bit of a suspect because because

660
00:18:43,110 --> 00:18:44,580
people are faceless. You know,

661
00:18:44,580 --> 00:18:45,870
they'd never say it to your face

662
00:18:45,870 --> 00:18:47,670
ever. Like yeah, because they

663
00:18:47,670 --> 00:18:48,600
just wouldn't but you know,

664
00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,400
behind the screen bang capslock

665
00:18:50,430 --> 00:18:53,520
of that and and so I'll send to

666
00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:54,750
him like but most of these

667
00:18:54,750 --> 00:18:55,920
people that are going for my

668
00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,530
dad, they're all generally not

669
00:18:58,530 --> 00:18:59,850
always but mostly on the left

670
00:18:59,850 --> 00:19:02,550
side of politics. So their their

671
00:19:02,550 --> 00:19:04,590
tribe is you know, very kind of,

672
00:19:04,620 --> 00:19:06,480
you know, pronouns in bio pro

673
00:19:06,690 --> 00:19:08,730
Ukraine, and all that kind of

674
00:19:08,730 --> 00:19:10,770
stuff probe masks and jabs and

675
00:19:10,770 --> 00:19:11,820
these kinds of things but also

676
00:19:11,820 --> 00:19:13,530
very pro Palestine and you think

677
00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:14,430
okay, right well let's think

678
00:19:14,430 --> 00:19:17,010
about this this whole attack on

679
00:19:17,010 --> 00:19:18,570
my dad that's been going on for

680
00:19:18,570 --> 00:19:20,730
years incessantly in Europe that

681
00:19:20,730 --> 00:19:22,260
originated because he was

682
00:19:22,260 --> 00:19:23,520
speaking up for Palestinians and

683
00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:24,720
against the State of Israel. So

684
00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:25,950
that's where that started and so

685
00:19:25,950 --> 00:19:26,550
you go right

686
00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:29,160
no one's on point with the

687
00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,030
government and with the

688
00:19:30,030 --> 00:19:32,100
narrative 100% the time like you

689
00:19:32,100 --> 00:19:33,540
can tick all these boxes so you

690
00:19:33,540 --> 00:19:35,220
got okay pro Master Pro job pro

691
00:19:35,220 --> 00:19:36,870
Ukraine Pro The Next thing you

692
00:19:36,870 --> 00:19:37,470
know, whatever, that's

693
00:19:37,470 --> 00:19:40,140
brilliant. Oh, did you just did

694
00:19:40,140 --> 00:19:41,580
you to speak out against Israel?

695
00:19:41,580 --> 00:19:42,360
Because you know, that Sandy

696
00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:43,830
smell so in the end, they'll

697
00:19:43,860 --> 00:19:44,760
they'll come for them in the

698
00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,830
end, you know, and so yeah,

699
00:19:46,830 --> 00:19:49,110
totally. It's quite strange to

700
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:50,340
see people not realize that

701
00:19:50,340 --> 00:19:52,800
actually, these these bars that

702
00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:53,910
you're celebrating being

703
00:19:53,910 --> 00:19:55,620
erected, you know, they're going

704
00:19:55,620 --> 00:19:56,670
to be keeping you in a cage at

705
00:19:56,670 --> 00:19:58,170
some point, too. Yeah,

706
00:19:58,170 --> 00:19:59,640
absolutely. So some of the

707
00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:00,000
recent

708
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,440
work I've done on domestic

709
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,270
terror policy in the US is

710
00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:04,740
really disturbing. And this is

711
00:20:04,740 --> 00:20:06,510
before even they announced their

712
00:20:06,810 --> 00:20:09,960
now failed, disinformation board

713
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,190
and like all other sorts of

714
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:13,530
stuff. But pretty early on in

715
00:20:13,530 --> 00:20:14,580
the administration, they were

716
00:20:14,580 --> 00:20:16,590
talking about pretty much that

717
00:20:16,590 --> 00:20:19,290
they have an umbrella policy,

718
00:20:19,290 --> 00:20:20,520
which is to make people trust

719
00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:21,960
the government more. And their

720
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,040
way of approaching that is to

721
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,100
censor certain people and then

722
00:20:26,250 --> 00:20:28,530
basically re educate everyone

723
00:20:28,530 --> 00:20:29,310
else, right.

724
00:20:31,050 --> 00:20:31,920
And make what they call a

725
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,270
digital literacy program. And

726
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:34,620
that's part of what the Stinson

727
00:20:34,650 --> 00:20:36,090
disinformation board was like

728
00:20:36,090 --> 00:20:37,770
supposed to do. But in what when

729
00:20:37,770 --> 00:20:38,820
they talk about censoring

730
00:20:38,820 --> 00:20:40,170
people, they basically say that

731
00:20:40,170 --> 00:20:42,570
anyone that creates disagreement

732
00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:44,160
among Americans

733
00:20:45,450 --> 00:20:47,340
is inciting violence, and

734
00:20:47,340 --> 00:20:49,020
therefore can be considered a

735
00:20:49,020 --> 00:20:50,910
domestic violent extremist or

736
00:20:50,910 --> 00:20:52,590
domestic terrorists, just

737
00:20:52,590 --> 00:20:54,120
because people aren't agreeing

738
00:20:54,120 --> 00:20:55,260
with each other, which if you

739
00:20:55,260 --> 00:20:56,280
follow that to its logical

740
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,590
conclusion, everyone must agree.

741
00:20:58,740 --> 00:20:59,880
And everyone must agree with the

742
00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,850
state and anyone that opposes

743
00:21:03,030 --> 00:21:04,650
what the state says about a

744
00:21:04,650 --> 00:21:07,890
particular event, or person, or

745
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,760
country, or whatever is inciting

746
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,860
violence by inciting

747
00:21:13,890 --> 00:21:16,320
disagreement, or challenging the

748
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:17,730
government narrative. And that's

749
00:21:17,730 --> 00:21:20,730
basically terrorism, as this as

750
00:21:20,730 --> 00:21:23,250
this is defined. So, you know,

751
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:24,990
that's why I find it really dis

752
00:21:25,020 --> 00:21:27,180
disconcerting that, you know,

753
00:21:27,180 --> 00:21:28,320
what we see in this recent

754
00:21:28,770 --> 00:21:30,630
situation with your father is

755
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:32,490
that particular line? I mean,

756
00:21:32,490 --> 00:21:33,570
they've already said in policy

757
00:21:33,570 --> 00:21:35,370
documents, that's the end point.

758
00:21:35,670 --> 00:21:38,250
And we're seeing it advance a

759
00:21:38,250 --> 00:21:40,530
lot. And pretty quickly, right.

760
00:21:40,530 --> 00:21:41,940
So the fact that counter-terror

761
00:21:41,970 --> 00:21:43,410
officials were involved in

762
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,200
deciding to ban your father from

763
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,970
the European Union, I think that

764
00:21:47,970 --> 00:21:50,070
says a lot. And if they sent you

765
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:52,560
this, you know, terrorism

766
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,270
related document about terror

767
00:21:54,270 --> 00:21:56,100
level three, and that's why he

768
00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:58,500
can't be there. They think that

769
00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:00,030
his speech that he would have

770
00:22:00,030 --> 00:22:01,980
given at this rally would have,

771
00:22:02,580 --> 00:22:05,100
you know, I guess, fomented

772
00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:07,590
disagreement. And, you know,

773
00:22:07,620 --> 00:22:09,510
allegedly that is now enough for

774
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:11,220
inciting violence. So I guess,

775
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:12,540
you know, we're all supposed to

776
00:22:12,540 --> 00:22:14,460
agree and agree with the state

777
00:22:14,460 --> 00:22:15,660
and what kind of society is

778
00:22:15,660 --> 00:22:17,790
that? Well, that's it a

779
00:22:17,790 --> 00:22:19,800
terrifying one. And the other

780
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,330
thing they do, and they have

781
00:22:21,330 --> 00:22:22,320
done is

782
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,710
it's kind of conflated so to me,

783
00:22:25,710 --> 00:22:27,000
like, I think violence is

784
00:22:27,030 --> 00:22:28,140
violence, like physical

785
00:22:28,140 --> 00:22:29,190
violence, that's, that's

786
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:30,960
violence. But now words are

787
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,910
violent. So actually, you can

788
00:22:32,910 --> 00:22:35,640
just speak, you know, so going

789
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:36,600
up on a stage and saying, I

790
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:37,950
don't know, say, kill Muslims.

791
00:22:38,010 --> 00:22:39,030
Alright, well, that's inciting

792
00:22:39,030 --> 00:22:39,600
violence.

793
00:22:40,890 --> 00:22:42,720
But now inciting violence could

794
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,130
be saying that women don't have

795
00:22:44,130 --> 00:22:47,010
penises. Like, because that's,

796
00:22:47,070 --> 00:22:48,240
you know, that's inciting

797
00:22:48,270 --> 00:22:49,380
violence, because that's harm

798
00:22:49,380 --> 00:22:50,670
that causes harm to people that

799
00:22:50,670 --> 00:22:52,140
believe they're a woman, even

800
00:22:52,140 --> 00:22:53,790
though they're not, you know,

801
00:22:53,790 --> 00:22:54,780
and that kind of stuff. And so

802
00:22:54,780 --> 00:22:56,100
in the end, everything becomes

803
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:56,700
illegal.

804
00:22:57,870 --> 00:22:59,700
Yeah, well, what you brought up

805
00:22:59,700 --> 00:23:01,620
earlier about how a lot of the

806
00:23:01,620 --> 00:23:03,900
efforts to like, smear and get

807
00:23:03,900 --> 00:23:05,070
your father banned and stuff

808
00:23:05,070 --> 00:23:06,060
started with the Government of

809
00:23:06,060 --> 00:23:08,370
Israel, a lot of this effort to

810
00:23:08,370 --> 00:23:11,310
conflate speech with violence

811
00:23:11,820 --> 00:23:13,020
goes back to groups like the

812
00:23:13,020 --> 00:23:14,550
anti Defamation League, for

813
00:23:14,550 --> 00:23:17,580
example, who are obviously

814
00:23:17,610 --> 00:23:18,660
connected to the State of

815
00:23:18,660 --> 00:23:19,170
Israel. I mean, they're

816
00:23:19,170 --> 00:23:21,390
basically a lobby group. For the

817
00:23:21,390 --> 00:23:23,040
State of Israel, their parent

818
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,630
organization has been I breath,

819
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:27,210
which I talk about a lot in the

820
00:23:27,210 --> 00:23:28,290
books for people that have been

821
00:23:28,290 --> 00:23:29,670
making their way through that.

822
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,140
Because, you know, that's

823
00:23:31,140 --> 00:23:32,220
basically what the Wexner

824
00:23:32,220 --> 00:23:33,480
Foundation came out of. And a

825
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,730
lot of these people that are the

826
00:23:35,730 --> 00:23:38,280
modern day, Jewish mob like

827
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,230
organized an ethnic enclave of

828
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:41,790
organized crime that's existed

829
00:23:41,790 --> 00:23:44,850
for the better part of the past

830
00:23:44,850 --> 00:23:46,170
100 years. I mean, they

831
00:23:46,170 --> 00:23:46,860
basically

832
00:23:48,060 --> 00:23:50,880
fund and run the ADL. And the

833
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,070
ADL is the group that comes out

834
00:23:53,070 --> 00:23:54,840
and basically says, you want to

835
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,910
criticize these powerful people

836
00:23:57,420 --> 00:23:59,490
that fund us. You're an anti

837
00:23:59,490 --> 00:24:01,350
Semite, you know, to basically,

838
00:24:01,350 --> 00:24:02,190
you know, if you want to go and

839
00:24:02,190 --> 00:24:03,660
say, I mean, before Jeffrey

840
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:04,860
Epstein was arrested, for

841
00:24:04,860 --> 00:24:05,790
example, if you wanted to go and

842
00:24:05,790 --> 00:24:07,290
say that something bad about

843
00:24:07,290 --> 00:24:08,400
Epstein or something bad about

844
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:09,630
Leslie Wexner, you probably

845
00:24:09,630 --> 00:24:10,740
would have had the ADL come at

846
00:24:10,740 --> 00:24:11,550
you and say, You're an anti

847
00:24:11,550 --> 00:24:14,760
Semite. Yeah, exactly. These

848
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,290
are, these are the groups that

849
00:24:16,290 --> 00:24:17,640
are all affiliated, they're the

850
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,440
ones that initiated the ban.

851
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,740
They're the ones that you know,

852
00:24:22,770 --> 00:24:23,910
they're so called anti hate

853
00:24:23,910 --> 00:24:25,950
groups. That basically as dad

854
00:24:25,950 --> 00:24:27,030
says, they're hate groups

855
00:24:27,030 --> 00:24:27,930
really, in the sense that they

856
00:24:27,930 --> 00:24:29,670
just want everyone to hate their

857
00:24:29,670 --> 00:24:31,110
targets. So they pick a target,

858
00:24:31,140 --> 00:24:32,130
which is Yeah, that's a good

859
00:24:32,130 --> 00:24:33,630
point. You know, and then they

860
00:24:33,630 --> 00:24:35,130
go right look how evil and

861
00:24:35,130 --> 00:24:36,660
horrible these guys are. What's

862
00:24:36,660 --> 00:24:39,060
really amazing to me is, you

863
00:24:39,060 --> 00:24:41,310
know, they, they attack dad on

864
00:24:41,310 --> 00:24:43,530
based on misinformation, fake

865
00:24:43,530 --> 00:24:44,730
news, all that kind of stuff,

866
00:24:44,730 --> 00:24:47,670
right? Yet, the mainstream media

867
00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:49,260
can say what the hell they want,

868
00:24:49,290 --> 00:24:50,550
like literally what they want.

869
00:24:50,550 --> 00:24:52,590
So when he got banned, there was

870
00:24:52,590 --> 00:24:53,970
kind of radio silence for like

871
00:24:53,970 --> 00:24:56,550
24 hours in the UK. And then the

872
00:24:56,550 --> 00:24:58,260
UK press picked it up and the

873
00:24:58,260 --> 00:24:59,130
Daily Mail

874
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,920
I'm, which is a complete brag

875
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,140
anyway, but the sub in the sub

876
00:25:04,140 --> 00:25:06,060
header right there, it said, I

877
00:25:06,060 --> 00:25:07,620
claimed the Jews

878
00:25:08,970 --> 00:25:10,560
cause the COVID pandemic.

879
00:25:12,090 --> 00:25:15,180
And you're like, right, he gets

880
00:25:15,180 --> 00:25:16,740
banned for saying that the virus

881
00:25:16,740 --> 00:25:18,690
doesn't exist. So how can it?

882
00:25:18,750 --> 00:25:20,310
How can it be created by Jewish

883
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:21,390
people? And he obviously never

884
00:25:21,390 --> 00:25:22,980
said that. And so I went at them

885
00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:23,790
was like, you know, can you

886
00:25:23,820 --> 00:25:24,750
provide evidence of this,

887
00:25:24,750 --> 00:25:25,170
please?

888
00:25:26,220 --> 00:25:27,990
Crickets, but it's like, but you

889
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:29,370
can just say that, you know, and

890
00:25:29,370 --> 00:25:30,330
someone will pick that up and

891
00:25:30,330 --> 00:25:31,050
go, Oh, my God, that's

892
00:25:31,050 --> 00:25:33,030
disgusting. And you really never

893
00:25:33,030 --> 00:25:34,020
said it, though. Because it's

894
00:25:34,020 --> 00:25:35,400
absolute nonsense, you know. And

895
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,440
it's the same thing where they

896
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,820
call him. I remember one

897
00:25:38,850 --> 00:25:40,860
article, when this was before

898
00:25:40,860 --> 00:25:42,270
COVID, when they were trying to

899
00:25:42,270 --> 00:25:44,370
get him banned from a tour that

900
00:25:44,370 --> 00:25:45,780
he was doing in actually in the

901
00:25:45,780 --> 00:25:47,910
UK. And there was at the Center

902
00:25:47,910 --> 00:25:49,200
for countering digital hate

903
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,490
campaign against anti semitism.

904
00:25:50,490 --> 00:25:51,930
These groups are all combined to

905
00:25:51,930 --> 00:25:52,800
try and get him banned.

906
00:25:54,690 --> 00:25:56,550
They actually said in one of the

907
00:25:56,550 --> 00:25:58,170
articles that he was a Holocaust

908
00:25:58,170 --> 00:25:59,610
denier that claims that Jewish

909
00:25:59,610 --> 00:26:00,390
people were behind the

910
00:26:00,390 --> 00:26:02,430
Holocaust. That was that was one

911
00:26:02,430 --> 00:26:03,960
sentence. And you're like,

912
00:26:05,010 --> 00:26:07,350
how can both be true? Yeah.

913
00:26:07,770 --> 00:26:09,930
Well, where's the editor should

914
00:26:09,930 --> 00:26:11,100
be looking at going? That makes

915
00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:12,180
literally no sense. Mate, can

916
00:26:12,180 --> 00:26:13,140
you go back and rewrite that,

917
00:26:13,140 --> 00:26:14,670
please? But but they just say it

918
00:26:14,670 --> 00:26:16,650
and people go, Yeah, he is. What

919
00:26:16,650 --> 00:26:18,720
both of those things? Yeah,

920
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:19,800
well, I think you know what

921
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,090
people like him. And it's the

922
00:26:21,090 --> 00:26:22,380
same with Alex Jones, too, even

923
00:26:22,380 --> 00:26:23,580
though I'm not particularly a

924
00:26:23,580 --> 00:26:25,650
fan of Alex Jones. And some of

925
00:26:25,650 --> 00:26:26,460
the things that he said,

926
00:26:26,460 --> 00:26:27,720
particularly about Muslim

927
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,730
Americans and narratives about

928
00:26:29,730 --> 00:26:32,250
911. And in the war on terror.

929
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,940
I mean, there's just a lot of, I

930
00:26:35,940 --> 00:26:37,350
mean, people like that you can

931
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:38,610
literally say anything about

932
00:26:38,610 --> 00:26:39,690
them, and no one in mainstream

933
00:26:39,690 --> 00:26:41,460
media will challenge you unless

934
00:26:41,460 --> 00:26:42,840
the person you're attacking

935
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:44,070
legally challenges you for

936
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:46,020
defamation, like, I'm sure you

937
00:26:46,020 --> 00:26:47,160
or your father could probably

938
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,110
sue the Daily Mail right over

939
00:26:49,140 --> 00:26:51,030
things that he never said. And

940
00:26:51,030 --> 00:26:52,830
when because the UK has really

941
00:26:52,830 --> 00:26:53,310
strong,

942
00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:57,240
you know, defamation laws. But

943
00:26:57,270 --> 00:26:59,010
you know, as far as mainstream

944
00:26:59,010 --> 00:27:01,500
media are, like, a lot of how a

945
00:27:01,500 --> 00:27:02,850
lot of people think and I mean,

946
00:27:03,030 --> 00:27:04,230
I think they're so conditioned

947
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:05,310
to hearing that type of stuff

948
00:27:05,310 --> 00:27:06,660
about these particular people,

949
00:27:06,660 --> 00:27:07,350
the people that have been

950
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:08,610
targeted for so long with a

951
00:27:08,610 --> 00:27:09,750
specific group, so they're just

952
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:12,270
willing to accept it like, oh,

953
00:27:12,270 --> 00:27:13,710
yeah, I've heard them call him

954
00:27:13,710 --> 00:27:15,150
crazy before Oh, this might be

955
00:27:15,150 --> 00:27:16,590
why he's crazy. Wow, he's really

956
00:27:16,590 --> 00:27:17,940
crazy and not really look any

957
00:27:17,940 --> 00:27:18,990
further than that, you know?

958
00:27:20,370 --> 00:27:21,630
Because he doesn't really have

959
00:27:21,660 --> 00:27:23,490
he's not given the same platform

960
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,530
to challenge what people what

961
00:27:25,530 --> 00:27:27,030
people on the mainstream media

962
00:27:27,060 --> 00:27:28,770
say about him. Right? He's not

963
00:27:28,770 --> 00:27:30,360
given that opportunity to

964
00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:33,030
respond. No, and that's what is

965
00:27:33,030 --> 00:27:34,800
so I think so unbelievable,

966
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,180
really given you know,

967
00:27:36,180 --> 00:27:37,350
especially the last three years

968
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:39,030
particularly in the UK and I

969
00:27:39,030 --> 00:27:40,320
guess in America as well with

970
00:27:40,740 --> 00:27:42,690
with the fact that the whole pro

971
00:27:42,750 --> 00:27:44,250
you know, rohner narrative, and

972
00:27:44,250 --> 00:27:45,570
now the whole pro Ukraine

973
00:27:45,570 --> 00:27:48,840
narrative, has, has had almost

974
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,250
every single microphone

975
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,160
available. And yet, you know,

976
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:54,180
through the internet, and

977
00:27:54,180 --> 00:27:56,730
through protests and gatherings

978
00:27:56,730 --> 00:27:58,350
and stuff, like this whole kind

979
00:27:58,350 --> 00:28:00,060
of counter narrative has managed

980
00:28:00,060 --> 00:28:02,610
to get through. And people like

981
00:28:02,610 --> 00:28:04,080
my dad, and Alex and yourself

982
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,190
and others, the voices have

983
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:06,960
managed to get through despite

984
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,330
all the either censorship or

985
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:11,280
ignorance by by the mainstream

986
00:28:12,150 --> 00:28:13,650
is unbelievable, really.

987
00:28:14,850 --> 00:28:16,320
And you know, they're not,

988
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:17,730
they're not happy about it, I

989
00:28:17,730 --> 00:28:19,560
don't think you No, I think

990
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,060
particularly in the UK that you

991
00:28:21,060 --> 00:28:22,380
know, the COVID stuff, and the

992
00:28:22,380 --> 00:28:23,640
digital IDs, and all the stuff

993
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:24,480
that they want off the back of

994
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,520
it would be so much further down

995
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:27,780
the line if it wasn't for people

996
00:28:27,780 --> 00:28:29,010
like dad and others that stood

997
00:28:29,010 --> 00:28:29,970
up early doors.

998
00:28:30,990 --> 00:28:32,790
And so I kind of think maybe,

999
00:28:33,540 --> 00:28:36,240
it's almost like, yes, it's

1000
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,590
about silencing him. Yes, it's

1001
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:39,090
about setting an example to shut

1002
00:28:39,090 --> 00:28:40,110
people up and getting them to

1003
00:28:40,110 --> 00:28:41,070
think twice about saying

1004
00:28:41,070 --> 00:28:43,380
anything. But also, it's about,

1005
00:28:43,380 --> 00:28:44,520
you know, what is coming in the

1006
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,480
next couple of years that

1007
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,130
they're preemptive striking, you

1008
00:28:47,130 --> 00:28:48,240
know, so it's like going around

1009
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,710
now, right? Who is going to

1010
00:28:49,710 --> 00:28:50,940
speak out against this? Right?

1011
00:28:50,940 --> 00:28:53,100
Well, he definitely will, she

1012
00:28:53,310 --> 00:28:55,140
probably will, he might blow up

1013
00:28:55,140 --> 00:28:55,950
right, we'll just get rid of

1014
00:28:55,950 --> 00:28:57,780
them now, a proactive preemptive

1015
00:28:57,780 --> 00:29:00,060
strike of so called conspiracy

1016
00:29:00,060 --> 00:29:01,950
theorists and alternative voices

1017
00:29:01,950 --> 00:29:02,520
before,

1018
00:29:03,570 --> 00:29:04,560
you know, something else comes

1019
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,720
along? Well, I said this in a

1020
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,940
recent speech, I was in the US

1021
00:29:08,940 --> 00:29:09,990
not that long ago, and I gave a

1022
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:11,280
speech at Children's Health

1023
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,080
defense. And it was basically

1024
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,900
about the crisis in journalism

1025
00:29:15,900 --> 00:29:17,880
and how there's a war on dissent

1026
00:29:17,910 --> 00:29:19,050
that doesn't just apply to

1027
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,520
journalism or independent

1028
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:21,870
journalists, it applies to

1029
00:29:22,590 --> 00:29:25,560
really everyone that uses online

1030
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,150
platforms. And near the end of

1031
00:29:27,150 --> 00:29:28,470
that, you know, I pointed out

1032
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:30,570
that these people that I'm

1033
00:29:30,570 --> 00:29:31,770
talking about it in, in the

1034
00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:33,390
speech, it's mostly focused on

1035
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,050
on the US, they want to control

1036
00:29:37,050 --> 00:29:38,520
the narrative to a degree that

1037
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,350
we have never seen. I quote in

1038
00:29:40,350 --> 00:29:43,080
there a guy from a military

1039
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,420
contractor, AI firm that targets

1040
00:29:45,690 --> 00:29:47,100
misinformation and whatnot, and

1041
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:48,960
he pretty much openly says that

1042
00:29:49,230 --> 00:29:50,910
what needs to be done is to

1043
00:29:50,910 --> 00:29:52,530
replace you know, all this

1044
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:54,990
disagreement, quote, unquote,

1045
00:29:54,990 --> 00:29:56,850
about US government history and

1046
00:29:56,850 --> 00:29:58,320
all of that with a Wikipedia

1047
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,970
style database built on

1048
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:00,900
For, you know, basically

1049
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:02,250
authored by the CIA,

1050
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:06,360
I mean, it's very, you know, out

1051
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,240
in the open. And so if you plan

1052
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,800
to do that, right, and your

1053
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,360
other plan is to censor all the

1054
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:13,800
voices that disagree with that,

1055
00:30:13,980 --> 00:30:15,900
any sort of truth that gets

1056
00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:17,010
through to people, you know,

1057
00:30:17,010 --> 00:30:19,050
people out on a visceral level,

1058
00:30:19,710 --> 00:30:21,510
not necessarily always

1059
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:23,070
intellectual, sometimes, yes,

1060
00:30:23,070 --> 00:30:24,240
but not always, you know, people

1061
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,190
gravitate towards the truth, and

1062
00:30:26,190 --> 00:30:27,600
even if you hide it from them,

1063
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:28,680
and that's really the only tool

1064
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:29,730
they have is to offer their

1065
00:30:29,730 --> 00:30:31,560
version of events. And then And

1066
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,120
then since for sensor, anything

1067
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,620
that doesn't agree with that,

1068
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:37,170
the truth, people are able to

1069
00:30:37,170 --> 00:30:38,730
sort of discern, not everyone,

1070
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,110
but most people are able to

1071
00:30:40,110 --> 00:30:41,430
discern the truth at some level

1072
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:43,020
that's like, visceral, you know,

1073
00:30:43,770 --> 00:30:45,030
or at least that's how I feel.

1074
00:30:45,030 --> 00:30:47,820
And so if they're so afraid of

1075
00:30:47,820 --> 00:30:50,580
having any sort of inkling of

1076
00:30:50,580 --> 00:30:53,100
the truth be available, as you

1077
00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:54,480
know, this stuff really starts

1078
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,360
to advance that, you know, they

1079
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,220
have to try and sensor really in

1080
00:30:59,220 --> 00:31:01,560
every, in every possible way.

1081
00:31:01,590 --> 00:31:05,280
And there is, you know, I guess

1082
00:31:05,310 --> 00:31:06,840
some more red lines, they could

1083
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,640
cross, but I mean, it would be

1084
00:31:08,670 --> 00:31:11,550
at the risk of totally betraying

1085
00:31:12,300 --> 00:31:14,070
who they really are to their

1086
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:15,720
suppose and base, or at least to

1087
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,820
the, you know, the group of

1088
00:31:17,820 --> 00:31:20,040
people who are sort of in limbo

1089
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:21,330
note, like you mentioned earlier

1090
00:31:21,330 --> 00:31:22,440
in like Holland, like, they

1091
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,610
know, the narrative doesn't make

1092
00:31:23,610 --> 00:31:24,810
sense, and something's up, but

1093
00:31:24,810 --> 00:31:25,590
they don't really know what's

1094
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:27,270
going on. They, you know, if

1095
00:31:27,270 --> 00:31:28,620
they cross that red line, for

1096
00:31:28,620 --> 00:31:30,630
example, start disappearing

1097
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:32,490
people, which has happened in

1098
00:31:32,490 --> 00:31:34,110
other places that have gone this

1099
00:31:34,110 --> 00:31:36,360
route before, you know, they

1100
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:37,830
risk sort of jolting those

1101
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:40,470
people out of their slumber. And

1102
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:42,390
any other sorts of, you know,

1103
00:31:43,020 --> 00:31:44,310
any other sort of stuff could it

1104
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:45,720
could happen, once it reaches,

1105
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,190
it reaches that point, the

1106
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:48,660
question is, are we getting

1107
00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:49,890
close to that? What are your

1108
00:31:49,890 --> 00:31:50,460
thoughts?

1109
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,340
Wouldn't surprise me at all, I

1110
00:31:53,340 --> 00:31:55,890
think how pre you know,

1111
00:31:55,890 --> 00:31:57,090
previously, through history,

1112
00:31:57,090 --> 00:31:58,170
they've got away with doing

1113
00:31:58,170 --> 00:32:00,660
stuff like that is by creating

1114
00:32:00,750 --> 00:32:02,580
such apathy towards those people

1115
00:32:02,580 --> 00:32:05,430
from the population. And you can

1116
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:07,050
see, particularly in in Holland,

1117
00:32:07,050 --> 00:32:07,920
with the mainstream media,

1118
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,180
that's what they tried to do

1119
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:10,530
with my dad. I mean, if you'd

1120
00:32:10,530 --> 00:32:11,670
read those articles, you know,

1121
00:32:11,670 --> 00:32:13,110
you'd have literally thought he

1122
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:14,760
was like, the second coming of

1123
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:15,930
Adolf Hitler, you know, that was

1124
00:32:15,930 --> 00:32:17,970
how it was sold, you know, do

1125
00:32:17,970 --> 00:32:18,900
you think that's inciting

1126
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:20,190
violence against him?

1127
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:23,640
Well, it is because he received

1128
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:24,660
death threats off the back of

1129
00:32:24,660 --> 00:32:26,370
it, and all those death threats

1130
00:32:26,370 --> 00:32:28,710
were reported to, to Instagram,

1131
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:31,080
and they didn't break community

1132
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,190
guidelines, obviously.

1133
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,030
But you know, it's, that's it

1134
00:32:36,060 --> 00:32:37,470
feels like it's probably part of

1135
00:32:37,470 --> 00:32:40,470
it, you know, that if you create

1136
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:41,790
such hatred of someone, and

1137
00:32:41,790 --> 00:32:43,350
you're less bothered if bad

1138
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:45,210
things happen to them. You know,

1139
00:32:45,270 --> 00:32:48,150
I think I saw that on firsthand

1140
00:32:48,150 --> 00:32:49,470
on social media and the reaction

1141
00:32:49,470 --> 00:32:50,700
to him being banned, you know,

1142
00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:53,160
good. So you're, what's the

1143
00:32:53,250 --> 00:32:54,390
gentleman that you've just,

1144
00:32:54,750 --> 00:32:55,860
you've just been conditioned to

1145
00:32:55,860 --> 00:32:56,820
hate this person, because you've

1146
00:32:56,820 --> 00:32:57,750
read the mainstream media's

1147
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:59,640
version of who they are. And all

1148
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,590
of a sudden you don't care that

1149
00:33:01,590 --> 00:33:02,580
they have all these freedoms

1150
00:33:02,580 --> 00:33:04,050
taken away, you can give a toss

1151
00:33:04,050 --> 00:33:05,280
because, you know, they're

1152
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,090
scumbags in your mind. And that

1153
00:33:09,090 --> 00:33:10,350
feels like that's the kind of

1154
00:33:10,380 --> 00:33:12,090
the way it's been set up with

1155
00:33:12,090 --> 00:33:14,250
this kind of tribal groupthink

1156
00:33:15,540 --> 00:33:18,840
that we have now where I am so

1157
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,880
engrained like in the fact that

1158
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,070
I am right, like I am, right,

1159
00:33:23,070 --> 00:33:23,910
and therefore the fact that

1160
00:33:23,910 --> 00:33:24,870
you're saying something

1161
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:27,090
different to me of see, well,

1162
00:33:27,090 --> 00:33:28,560
then you're wrong, then you must

1163
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:29,310
be because it's not what I'm

1164
00:33:29,310 --> 00:33:31,080
saying. And if you're wrong, or

1165
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,510
to who we are, you know, and

1166
00:33:33,540 --> 00:33:35,430
we've seen that a lot that I've

1167
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:36,720
never ever celebrated anyone

1168
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,430
being banned or kicked off, or D

1169
00:33:38,430 --> 00:33:41,040
platformed. or fined, or

1170
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,270
whatever, for what they think

1171
00:33:42,270 --> 00:33:43,050
even if I think they're an

1172
00:33:43,050 --> 00:33:45,120
idiot, like, or I don't agree

1173
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,020
with what they're saying is

1174
00:33:46,020 --> 00:33:47,400
like, that's not that's not how

1175
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,050
you win an argument. Well, I

1176
00:33:49,050 --> 00:33:50,160
think a lot of people that

1177
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:50,970
you're talking about that would

1178
00:33:50,970 --> 00:33:52,380
like celebrate a band like this

1179
00:33:52,380 --> 00:33:53,460
and stuff, they're getting their

1180
00:33:53,460 --> 00:33:54,570
information from what they

1181
00:33:54,570 --> 00:33:56,010
consider to be authoritative

1182
00:33:56,010 --> 00:33:57,540
sources and sources that aren't

1183
00:33:57,540 --> 00:33:59,790
authoritative. They ignore they

1184
00:33:59,790 --> 00:34:02,520
be little, you know, they see is

1185
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,740
irrelevant or bad like is

1186
00:34:04,740 --> 00:34:06,600
conspiracy spreaders and

1187
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,400
whatnot. Right. And so it's

1188
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,500
ultimately based on a deference

1189
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:12,870
to authority. And so if the

1190
00:34:12,870 --> 00:34:14,310
authorities are the people,

1191
00:34:15,660 --> 00:34:17,640
you know, trying to silence

1192
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,380
someone, and they're getting

1193
00:34:19,380 --> 00:34:20,730
their news from all these, you

1194
00:34:20,730 --> 00:34:23,040
know, authoritative sources tied

1195
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,060
up with that particular

1196
00:34:24,060 --> 00:34:24,720
authority.

1197
00:34:25,980 --> 00:34:28,050
I guess you could say it makes

1198
00:34:28,050 --> 00:34:29,160
sense, but I think it just sort

1199
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,680
of underscores that the issue

1200
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,680
we're dealing with here is how

1201
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,540
the state is trying to control

1202
00:34:36,540 --> 00:34:39,210
speech. And the people that I

1203
00:34:39,210 --> 00:34:40,830
just mentioned, are, you know,

1204
00:34:40,830 --> 00:34:41,880
people whose speech is

1205
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,070
controlled by the state to a

1206
00:34:44,070 --> 00:34:45,840
significant degree, and that's

1207
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,540
the whole basis of you know, I

1208
00:34:48,540 --> 00:34:49,890
support the current thing,

1209
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,380
right? Those people aren't doing

1210
00:34:52,380 --> 00:34:53,940
whatever these authoritative,

1211
00:34:53,940 --> 00:34:56,100
quote unquote, Sources tell them

1212
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:57,870
to be concerned or outraged

1213
00:34:57,870 --> 00:34:59,250
about I mean, it's ultimately

1214
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,000
for lack of a better

1215
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,650
are worried it's mind control.

1216
00:35:01,830 --> 00:35:04,800
And what I talked about in, in

1217
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,780
another part of my recent speech

1218
00:35:06,810 --> 00:35:08,910
is that if you in order to

1219
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,640
control human behavior, you have

1220
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,050
to control how they think.

1221
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,280
Right? And a lot of that is

1222
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,290
about controlling what speech

1223
00:35:16,860 --> 00:35:18,450
they're exposed to, and not

1224
00:35:18,450 --> 00:35:21,120
exposed to. Right? Oh, exactly.

1225
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,950
Yeah, you know, in a free

1226
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:25,200
society, you would be able to

1227
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,030
hear both sides, weigh up the

1228
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:28,410
pros and cons of both sides,

1229
00:35:28,410 --> 00:35:29,940
what resonates with you? What

1230
00:35:29,940 --> 00:35:31,350
makes sense, given your personal

1231
00:35:31,350 --> 00:35:33,210
life experience, and then you

1232
00:35:33,210 --> 00:35:34,290
make your decision based on

1233
00:35:34,290 --> 00:35:35,910
that, but you know, if all you

1234
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:38,490
have is one side than that's

1235
00:35:38,490 --> 00:35:40,320
definitely going to shape how

1236
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,580
you perceive the world and how

1237
00:35:41,580 --> 00:35:42,960
you perceive people around you.

1238
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,460
But I also think, you know,

1239
00:35:44,460 --> 00:35:46,260
like, the point you were saying

1240
00:35:46,260 --> 00:35:47,520
earlier about people know, when

1241
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,230
they hear the truth, I agree

1242
00:35:49,260 --> 00:35:51,840
100% It resonates within people,

1243
00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:54,240
you know, even to such a base

1244
00:35:54,270 --> 00:35:55,980
level, the you know, if you if

1245
00:35:55,980 --> 00:35:58,230
you were in a pub, and maybe you

1246
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:59,220
know, there wasn't much room

1247
00:35:59,220 --> 00:36:00,120
around so you're like, what if

1248
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,170
we just sit there lads, and

1249
00:36:01,170 --> 00:36:02,340
these two lads let you sit with

1250
00:36:02,340 --> 00:36:02,970
them, and then you end up

1251
00:36:02,970 --> 00:36:04,530
talking to him. You know, when

1252
00:36:04,530 --> 00:36:05,490
one of those lads is full of

1253
00:36:05,490 --> 00:36:07,470
shit. Now you just know that he

1254
00:36:07,470 --> 00:36:08,730
will tell a story you don't know

1255
00:36:08,730 --> 00:36:09,420
and you don't know whether his

1256
00:36:09,420 --> 00:36:10,560
story is true or not. But you

1257
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,230
just know and you'll go to

1258
00:36:13,230 --> 00:36:15,750
absolute full of crap that guy

1259
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:17,160
was, you just know when

1260
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,510
someone's lying to you, I think

1261
00:36:18,510 --> 00:36:20,760
generally. And you and you, you

1262
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,500
know when when something feels

1263
00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:23,130
true to.

1264
00:36:24,450 --> 00:36:26,190
And so what society what so what

1265
00:36:26,190 --> 00:36:27,720
the media and governments that

1266
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:29,070
funded controlled media have

1267
00:36:29,070 --> 00:36:30,120
tried to do particularly in the

1268
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,530
last three, three years is to

1269
00:36:31,530 --> 00:36:32,910
tell you not to believe your own

1270
00:36:32,910 --> 00:36:34,620
eyes, don't believe what you

1271
00:36:34,620 --> 00:36:36,660
see, believe what we tell you is

1272
00:36:36,660 --> 00:36:37,170
happening.

1273
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,840
Right and it worked. It worked.

1274
00:36:39,930 --> 00:36:41,940
It actually worked for for a

1275
00:36:41,940 --> 00:36:44,160
period of time, you know, in the

1276
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,420
UK, in the end, particularly in

1277
00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:45,900
England.

1278
00:36:47,130 --> 00:36:48,420
The English people saw through

1279
00:36:48,420 --> 00:36:50,160
the COVID lies pretty sharpish

1280
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,630
in the end. And hence while you

1281
00:36:51,630 --> 00:36:52,710
know all the restrictions had to

1282
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:54,150
be lifted at a point when you

1283
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:54,690
know there are still

1284
00:36:54,690 --> 00:36:55,920
restrictions in different places

1285
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,420
all over the world. But you

1286
00:36:57,420 --> 00:36:58,560
know, the masks and all that

1287
00:36:58,560 --> 00:36:59,730
stuff went in England pretty

1288
00:36:59,730 --> 00:37:00,750
sharpish because people were

1289
00:37:00,750 --> 00:37:01,740
like, nah, this is nonsense. I'm

1290
00:37:01,740 --> 00:37:02,250
not doing it.

1291
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:05,130
But at the beginning, they did

1292
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,930
they, they they believed what

1293
00:37:06,930 --> 00:37:08,040
the media was telling them over

1294
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,480
what they they saw with their

1295
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:10,710
own eyes. And I remember saying

1296
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:11,640
to people, you know, how many

1297
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,470
people do you know? I don't know

1298
00:37:13,470 --> 00:37:15,060
anyone? Oh, okay. Do you know

1299
00:37:15,060 --> 00:37:16,230
anyone that knows anyone? Well,

1300
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:17,160
no, I don't know. Anyone knows

1301
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,480
anyone that's weighed in it.

1302
00:37:18,930 --> 00:37:20,520
That's weighed in it. And you'd

1303
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:21,690
see like the cogs would be

1304
00:37:21,690 --> 00:37:22,980
turning in people's heads like,

1305
00:37:23,010 --> 00:37:23,760
Well, yeah, that is pretty

1306
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:24,960
weird. And it actually because I

1307
00:37:25,140 --> 00:37:26,310
know quite a lot of people and I

1308
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:27,510
work in a factory with a lot of

1309
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:28,260
people and they don't know

1310
00:37:28,260 --> 00:37:29,280
anyone either. But the tape the

1311
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,510
TV is telling me that, you know,

1312
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,070
everyone's dropping like flies,

1313
00:37:32,070 --> 00:37:34,230
it doesn't make any sense. And

1314
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:35,610
then, you know, you realize that

1315
00:37:35,610 --> 00:37:36,690
you've been lied to, but at the

1316
00:37:36,690 --> 00:37:38,430
very beginning, that's what they

1317
00:37:38,430 --> 00:37:39,600
did. The media just said, you

1318
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,010
know, what, you see me rose with

1319
00:37:41,010 --> 00:37:41,880
your own eyes, just don't

1320
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,050
believe that, believe me

1321
00:37:43,050 --> 00:37:45,240
instead. And then you have New

1322
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:46,710
Zealand where she says the only

1323
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:47,640
source of truth is the

1324
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,530
government. Imagine saying,

1325
00:37:49,530 --> 00:37:50,970
yeah, she was really blatant in

1326
00:37:50,970 --> 00:37:52,590
that regard. But I think also at

1327
00:37:52,590 --> 00:37:53,640
the same time, you know, like

1328
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:54,510
the situation, we're just

1329
00:37:54,510 --> 00:37:55,500
describing the people that

1330
00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:56,760
trusted at first and then feel

1331
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,890
like they got burned. Right?

1332
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,540
What damage has that done to

1333
00:38:00,540 --> 00:38:02,010
their agenda? And I think it's

1334
00:38:02,010 --> 00:38:03,510
pretty clear when you see groups

1335
00:38:03,540 --> 00:38:05,040
like the World Economic Forum,

1336
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:07,080
the Biden administration, you

1337
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,520
know, governments and media

1338
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,500
outlets and think tanks like

1339
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:12,540
this around the world, a lot of

1340
00:38:12,540 --> 00:38:14,370
their big focus over the past

1341
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,990
year has been quote, unquote,

1342
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:18,120
rebuilding trust with the

1343
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,370
public. And it doesn't really

1344
00:38:20,370 --> 00:38:22,770
seem like it's working to a

1345
00:38:22,770 --> 00:38:24,960
significant degree, like in the

1346
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,150
US, for example. You know,

1347
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:28,800
people the, the amount of people

1348
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,730
who believe in the mainstream

1349
00:38:29,730 --> 00:38:31,650
media is I think, at the lowest

1350
00:38:31,650 --> 00:38:33,390
point, it's probably ever been.

1351
00:38:34,860 --> 00:38:36,750
I think things about 11% isn't

1352
00:38:36,750 --> 00:38:37,770
in the US. Yeah,

1353
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,440
exactly. But it's, it's quite

1354
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,170
low, right. And so they have to

1355
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,080
rebuild that trust. But I think

1356
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,190
what they're trying to do too,

1357
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:48,360
is that a lot of the people who

1358
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,160
have tried to look for an

1359
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,270
alternative narratives are

1360
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:52,890
trying to make it very difficult

1361
00:38:52,890 --> 00:38:55,860
to find that at least online,

1362
00:38:55,890 --> 00:38:57,780
which is why I say a lot to

1363
00:38:57,780 --> 00:38:59,490
people that this you know, fight

1364
00:38:59,490 --> 00:39:00,750
for truth or whatever you want

1365
00:39:00,750 --> 00:39:02,490
to call, it really has to go off

1366
00:39:02,580 --> 00:39:04,770
offline as well. Because these

1367
00:39:04,770 --> 00:39:07,590
guys, the state, whatever, is

1368
00:39:07,590 --> 00:39:09,270
focusing a lot of its attention

1369
00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:11,460
on the online sphere of

1370
00:39:11,460 --> 00:39:12,870
communication and weaponizing

1371
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:15,300
that as much as they can, and

1372
00:39:15,660 --> 00:39:18,450
they are insistent that only

1373
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,190
their permitted version of quote

1374
00:39:20,190 --> 00:39:22,260
unquote truth will be what's

1375
00:39:22,260 --> 00:39:23,610
available and people that go

1376
00:39:23,610 --> 00:39:25,020
against that online might even

1377
00:39:25,020 --> 00:39:26,580
be barred from the internet or

1378
00:39:26,580 --> 00:39:28,800
worse, especially as the some

1379
00:39:29,340 --> 00:39:31,020
this push for digital ID starts

1380
00:39:31,020 --> 00:39:33,060
to play out. I know that you

1381
00:39:33,060 --> 00:39:34,770
know, in the UK, right, the the

1382
00:39:34,770 --> 00:39:36,570
gospel of digital or the the

1383
00:39:36,570 --> 00:39:38,160
evangelist of digital ideas,

1384
00:39:38,370 --> 00:39:40,590
Tony Blair, right. But in the US

1385
00:39:40,590 --> 00:39:42,570
they tried to pilot digital ID

1386
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,570
for a different reason than Tony

1387
00:39:45,570 --> 00:39:48,060
Blair's sales pitch in the US.

1388
00:39:48,060 --> 00:39:49,530
It was first under the Obama

1389
00:39:49,530 --> 00:39:50,880
administration and they called

1390
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,500
it a driver's license for the

1391
00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:54,030
Internet, tying your government

1392
00:39:54,030 --> 00:39:58,530
ID to your internet access on

1393
00:39:58,530 --> 00:39:59,880
what you do on the internet and

1394
00:39:59,880 --> 00:39:59,970
I

1395
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,560
Think more recently in the UK,

1396
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,780
they've made this push to tie

1397
00:40:03,780 --> 00:40:04,950
some sort of government issued

1398
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:06,720
ID to your social media accounts

1399
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:08,730
and things like that. And it's

1400
00:40:08,730 --> 00:40:10,680
pretty easy to see, you know

1401
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,450
where this is going. So anyway,

1402
00:40:13,140 --> 00:40:14,640
since brought up some of that

1403
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:15,660
stuff there, I'm curious about

1404
00:40:15,660 --> 00:40:16,800
your thoughts in on a lot of

1405
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:17,970
these initiatives going on in

1406
00:40:17,970 --> 00:40:19,620
the UK right now that are

1407
00:40:19,620 --> 00:40:20,640
targeting speech, because

1408
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:21,570
there's a lot of them.

1409
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,460
I mean, the digital ID bit just

1410
00:40:26,460 --> 00:40:28,140
briefly that I mean, Rishi

1411
00:40:28,140 --> 00:40:29,340
Sunak, who's now the prime

1412
00:40:29,340 --> 00:40:31,200
minister who wasn't elected by

1413
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,120
the people, anyone, not even

1414
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,350
people within his own party.

1415
00:40:34,350 --> 00:40:36,120
Yeah, no, he's just replaced his

1416
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,650
trust. He wasn't elected by

1417
00:40:37,650 --> 00:40:41,430
anyone either. He is a big

1418
00:40:42,060 --> 00:40:44,130
proponent of digital IDs, I

1419
00:40:44,130 --> 00:40:45,780
think it's his father in law is

1420
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:48,780
is runs a company that pushes

1421
00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:50,310
for digital ideas produces that

1422
00:40:50,310 --> 00:40:51,840
kind of stuff. So you know,

1423
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:52,920
there's a massive push for it

1424
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,050
there but also like, it's really

1425
00:40:55,050 --> 00:40:56,730
obvious to see in the UK what

1426
00:40:56,730 --> 00:41:00,360
they do, you know, who they want

1427
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,220
to be the next government very,

1428
00:41:02,220 --> 00:41:03,720
very, very easily because what

1429
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:05,100
happens is, if they want the

1430
00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:06,030
Tory government which what

1431
00:41:06,030 --> 00:41:07,470
they've got the minute the media

1432
00:41:07,470 --> 00:41:09,240
give the Tories an absolute free

1433
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:10,890
ride, like it's insane, they

1434
00:41:10,890 --> 00:41:12,210
give them an absolute free ride,

1435
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:13,980
and they tend to put the leader

1436
00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:15,330
of the opposition as a bit of an

1437
00:41:15,330 --> 00:41:15,660
idiot.

1438
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,240
Although in this case, he is an

1439
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:20,100
idiot as well. But what they've

1440
00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:22,050
done recently is they basically

1441
00:41:22,410 --> 00:41:24,270
pretty much destroyed the

1442
00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:25,500
Conservative Party with

1443
00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:26,880
infighting and this and that and

1444
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,050
the shambles of different prime

1445
00:41:28,050 --> 00:41:29,370
ministers. The media is

1446
00:41:29,370 --> 00:41:30,870
massively turned on them and now

1447
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:32,790
is big enough the Labour Party

1448
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:34,950
which is Kier Starmer, who is a

1449
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:35,730
sir,

1450
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,550
who's you know, a member of the

1451
00:41:39,090 --> 00:41:40,440
trilateral, Trilateral

1452
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:41,580
Commission and stuff out so he's

1453
00:41:41,580 --> 00:41:42,390
an insider.

1454
00:41:43,470 --> 00:41:45,450
So they obviously want labour as

1455
00:41:45,450 --> 00:41:46,620
the next government, which is

1456
00:41:46,620 --> 00:41:48,540
hilarious because they're now

1457
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,400
marching ahead in the polls,

1458
00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:52,500
when 25 minutes ago, they were

1459
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:54,270
unelectable. But they didn't

1460
00:41:54,270 --> 00:41:55,560
have to get any better. They

1461
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:56,670
just destroyed the Tories and

1462
00:41:56,670 --> 00:41:59,070
made them unelectable. So when

1463
00:41:59,070 --> 00:42:00,390
you look at what the Labour

1464
00:42:00,390 --> 00:42:02,670
Party are pushing now, they're

1465
00:42:02,670 --> 00:42:06,630
pushing digital IDs based on to

1466
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:08,910
combat immigration. That's their

1467
00:42:08,910 --> 00:42:10,110
sales pitch now, because they've

1468
00:42:10,110 --> 00:42:11,370
looked at immigration, which in

1469
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,040
England is insane. I think it's

1470
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,440
like 1% of Albania, is in

1471
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:17,640
England now. It's absolutely

1472
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:18,090
insane.

1473
00:42:19,110 --> 00:42:20,730
The amount of people that have

1474
00:42:20,730 --> 00:42:21,690
come over the channel in

1475
00:42:21,690 --> 00:42:24,510
dinghies in the last 11 months

1476
00:42:24,510 --> 00:42:26,580
is, you know, it's, I think it's

1477
00:42:26,580 --> 00:42:27,660
the same amount as like the last

1478
00:42:27,660 --> 00:42:28,920
three or four years. It's like,

1479
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,360
it's there's a massive push for

1480
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,000
it. And they're all, you know,

1481
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,010
fighting age men with 100 pound

1482
00:42:35,010 --> 00:42:37,170
trainers. So, you know, make of

1483
00:42:37,170 --> 00:42:38,490
that what you will, and they're

1484
00:42:38,490 --> 00:42:40,620
housing them in hotels, they're

1485
00:42:40,620 --> 00:42:42,120
taking over hotels, very

1486
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:43,680
expensive five star hotels, in

1487
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:44,850
some cases, and just sticking

1488
00:42:44,850 --> 00:42:46,260
them in there. While you know,

1489
00:42:46,260 --> 00:42:47,190
there's homeless people on the

1490
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:48,420
streets. It's, it's insane

1491
00:42:48,420 --> 00:42:50,280
what's happening. So there's, as

1492
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,330
a result of that, there's quite

1493
00:42:51,330 --> 00:42:52,860
a lot of uproar from the general

1494
00:42:52,860 --> 00:42:53,820
public, because it's like, this

1495
00:42:53,820 --> 00:42:56,190
is insane what we're doing here.

1496
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,850
So labor of their kind of sales

1497
00:42:59,850 --> 00:43:01,140
pitch of how they're going to

1498
00:43:01,140 --> 00:43:03,810
solve it is a dicots. Like,

1499
00:43:04,050 --> 00:43:05,010
that's what you wanted under

1500
00:43:05,010 --> 00:43:06,330
Blair, and they got thrown out.

1501
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:07,680
So you just, you know, they

1502
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,360
always come back and revisit it,

1503
00:43:09,390 --> 00:43:10,530
they just kind of, oh, we'll

1504
00:43:10,530 --> 00:43:11,580
come back in a bit with a new

1505
00:43:11,580 --> 00:43:13,200
excuse for for that isn't Blair

1506
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,300
trying to make his re entry into

1507
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:16,740
politics in the US, they're

1508
00:43:16,740 --> 00:43:18,030
trying to make a third party

1509
00:43:18,030 --> 00:43:19,890
that's like a centrist party.

1510
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,810
The third way, quote, unquote,

1511
00:43:21,810 --> 00:43:23,760
party and Blair was, you know,

1512
00:43:24,090 --> 00:43:26,340
one of those third way type guys

1513
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:28,740
in the UK, right? Do you think

1514
00:43:28,740 --> 00:43:32,370
he'll try and interject himself?

1515
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:35,520
He's gentle, he's, he's arrogant

1516
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,800
enough to do it. And he's got

1517
00:43:38,580 --> 00:43:41,910
such kind of little self

1518
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:43,200
awareness to actually do it. But

1519
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,790
he, they'll struggle with him

1520
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:47,190
because he is very much hated by

1521
00:43:47,220 --> 00:43:49,260
most people on both sides,

1522
00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:51,720
really? And rightly so. Yeah,

1523
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:53,820
for the, you know, people

1524
00:43:53,820 --> 00:43:55,440
remember the Iraq War, and I

1525
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,150
mean, and the lies and all that

1526
00:43:57,150 --> 00:43:57,990
sort of stuff. So

1527
00:43:59,340 --> 00:44:02,490
him being behind the party would

1528
00:44:02,490 --> 00:44:04,740
not surprise me. Although he

1529
00:44:04,740 --> 00:44:05,580
said, you know, they're doing

1530
00:44:05,580 --> 00:44:06,480
that anyway. I mean, they've got

1531
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,430
this this, this, you know, Tony

1532
00:44:08,430 --> 00:44:09,870
Blair Institute, which is kind

1533
00:44:09,870 --> 00:44:11,610
of embedded in lots of different

1534
00:44:11,610 --> 00:44:13,320
the Institute for Global change,

1535
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,400
it's called right or something.

1536
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,410
Yeah. Yeah. So, you know,

1537
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:17,940
they're, they're embedded

1538
00:44:17,940 --> 00:44:18,990
anyway. And that's the thing,

1539
00:44:19,020 --> 00:44:20,250
because, you know, politicians

1540
00:44:20,250 --> 00:44:21,870
are just frontman anyway. So if

1541
00:44:21,870 --> 00:44:23,670
you want to rule a country or

1542
00:44:23,730 --> 00:44:25,020
push a country's agenda, you

1543
00:44:25,020 --> 00:44:26,520
don't need to be, you know, you

1544
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:27,510
don't need to have the face on

1545
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:29,460
the stamp to be able to do that,

1546
00:44:29,490 --> 00:44:31,140
you know, you just need to have

1547
00:44:31,140 --> 00:44:32,280
control over the person who's

1548
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,360
got the face on the stump. And

1549
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,460
that's, you know, Blair being

1550
00:44:35,460 --> 00:44:36,600
involved in that wouldn't shock

1551
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:37,470
me in the slightest, because

1552
00:44:37,500 --> 00:44:38,940
he's like, he's like a turd that

1553
00:44:38,940 --> 00:44:40,800
won't flush is just one go.

1554
00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:45,480
Yeah, all right. Well, um, if I

1555
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:46,920
remember correctly, the UK has

1556
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,840
been struggling with a

1557
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,850
particular bill that targets

1558
00:44:50,850 --> 00:44:53,070
online speech. And I think when

1559
00:44:53,070 --> 00:44:54,750
Liz trust came in, she said she

1560
00:44:54,750 --> 00:44:56,550
was going to alter it. Rishi

1561
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:58,320
Sunak has made claims that he's

1562
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:59,970
going to alter it. So

1563
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,890
What exactly is the issue with

1564
00:45:01,890 --> 00:45:03,900
this bill? Why is it bad? And do

1565
00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:05,160
you see it being passed or not?

1566
00:45:05,700 --> 00:45:07,530
Well, it will be passed 100%.

1567
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,090
It's just what what parts of it

1568
00:45:09,090 --> 00:45:10,230
get passed. So it's called the

1569
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:14,160
online harms bill. And it's got

1570
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:15,660
lots of different parts of it.

1571
00:45:15,660 --> 00:45:17,340
But there was actually a bit of

1572
00:45:17,340 --> 00:45:19,740
a victory for us really, in the

1573
00:45:19,740 --> 00:45:21,300
last couple of weeks now, you

1574
00:45:21,300 --> 00:45:23,040
know, as they were talking about

1575
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,510
ID cards, they'll come back and

1576
00:45:24,510 --> 00:45:25,980
revisit it at a later date, I'm

1577
00:45:25,980 --> 00:45:28,020
sure. But the biggest bone of

1578
00:45:28,020 --> 00:45:29,850
contention with most people with

1579
00:45:29,850 --> 00:45:31,590
the online harms Bill was the

1580
00:45:32,460 --> 00:45:33,960
harmful but not illegal.

1581
00:45:35,220 --> 00:45:37,710
So part of the bill was that

1582
00:45:37,710 --> 00:45:38,970
they could basically prosecute

1583
00:45:38,970 --> 00:45:40,680
people for not breaking the law

1584
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:42,390
if it was deemed harmful.

1585
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,510
And that's regards to online

1586
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:47,340
speech. Yes. Or other? Yeah.

1587
00:45:47,370 --> 00:45:50,010
Yeah. Because regards to online

1588
00:45:50,010 --> 00:45:52,350
speech, yeah. And, you know,

1589
00:45:52,530 --> 00:45:54,210
video platforms and everything

1590
00:45:54,210 --> 00:45:55,710
will come under that umbrella.

1591
00:45:56,130 --> 00:45:58,110
And but it was so disconcerting,

1592
00:45:58,110 --> 00:46:00,090
the vague, I mean, who defines

1593
00:46:00,090 --> 00:46:01,770
harm, you know, watching a

1594
00:46:01,770 --> 00:46:05,010
boyband can be harmful. But

1595
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,190
you would kind of very much tie

1596
00:46:08,190 --> 00:46:09,660
into this whole kind of push

1597
00:46:09,660 --> 00:46:10,620
with the whole transgender

1598
00:46:10,620 --> 00:46:11,670
movement and stuff like that, at

1599
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:12,930
the moment in the UK, which has

1600
00:46:12,930 --> 00:46:13,650
gone crazy.

1601
00:46:14,910 --> 00:46:16,320
Because, you know, the Tavistock

1602
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,030
Institute, which was

1603
00:46:18,030 --> 00:46:19,500
transitioning young kids, it was

1604
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:20,520
just horrendous, that, you know,

1605
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,780
the really young children and,

1606
00:46:22,260 --> 00:46:22,950
and so

1607
00:46:24,180 --> 00:46:25,320
there was a, you know, that got

1608
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:26,490
closed down. And so there's been

1609
00:46:26,490 --> 00:46:28,290
a bit of uproar against it, and

1610
00:46:28,290 --> 00:46:29,670
people actually speaking out

1611
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:31,800
against that kind of treatment.

1612
00:46:32,730 --> 00:46:34,440
And so the online harms pill, if

1613
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,420
it was in place, at that point,

1614
00:46:36,450 --> 00:46:39,000
with, you know, caveat of not

1615
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,370
illegal, but harmful bit, you

1616
00:46:41,370 --> 00:46:43,080
know, those voices, you know,

1617
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:44,040
people would have got in trouble

1618
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,060
for saying that kind of stuff.

1619
00:46:45,060 --> 00:46:46,860
Because, you know, you can

1620
00:46:46,860 --> 00:46:48,720
offend and harm people really

1621
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:50,430
easily, you know, it's not hard,

1622
00:46:50,430 --> 00:46:51,330
you say something they don't

1623
00:46:51,330 --> 00:46:52,500
like, then, you know, that's

1624
00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:54,690
hard. So that bit was taken out

1625
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:57,540
for now, which is great. Because

1626
00:46:57,570 --> 00:46:58,920
that, you know, that was that

1627
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,330
was the real dark bit of it that

1628
00:47:00,330 --> 00:47:01,800
I think most people thought or

1629
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,420
at least, you know, she can get

1630
00:47:03,420 --> 00:47:04,620
prosecuted for something that

1631
00:47:04,650 --> 00:47:07,110
they openly admit isn't one of

1632
00:47:07,110 --> 00:47:09,720
the hot harmful but not illegal

1633
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,360
idea is just insane because

1634
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:13,410
basically, okay, it's not

1635
00:47:13,410 --> 00:47:14,520
illegal, but we're making

1636
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,110
anything we deem harmful or

1637
00:47:16,110 --> 00:47:19,140
illegal. Yeah, exactly. And you

1638
00:47:19,140 --> 00:47:20,910
look to say like that is such a

1639
00:47:20,910 --> 00:47:23,040
vague term harmful so that you

1640
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,540
can apply that to whatever you

1641
00:47:24,540 --> 00:47:26,760
like you can you know, if you're

1642
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,740
questioning Israel Well, that's

1643
00:47:28,740 --> 00:47:30,540
making the Jewish community feel

1644
00:47:30,540 --> 00:47:31,770
feel threatened and therefore

1645
00:47:31,770 --> 00:47:33,120
that's that's harmful. Is

1646
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,220
everything. Literally anything

1647
00:47:35,220 --> 00:47:36,600
like I said before, like women

1648
00:47:36,810 --> 00:47:37,770
don't have penises. Well,

1649
00:47:37,770 --> 00:47:38,940
that's, that's harmful to

1650
00:47:38,940 --> 00:47:41,610
transgender women. So they go to

1651
00:47:41,610 --> 00:47:43,290
the police or at your door. It's

1652
00:47:43,290 --> 00:47:44,190
extraordinary, really.

1653
00:47:46,410 --> 00:47:47,820
But another thing in politics, I

1654
00:47:47,820 --> 00:47:48,480
don't know if you've seen it

1655
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:49,890
over there. But this this whole

1656
00:47:49,890 --> 00:47:50,820
Edie is our thing.

1657
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:55,320
So Eddie is odd is a, an actor,

1658
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:56,640
stand up comedian and stuff,

1659
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,560
right? And he's always cross

1660
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,330
dressed. That's always been his

1661
00:48:00,420 --> 00:48:01,560
look, you know, he's he's

1662
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,020
married to a woman and stuff.

1663
00:48:04,020 --> 00:48:05,250
But he's, you know, he's, he's

1664
00:48:05,250 --> 00:48:07,200
called ADSR. He's a guy. But

1665
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,670
he's always he's always crossed,

1666
00:48:08,670 --> 00:48:09,660
dressed. And then he started

1667
00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:10,710
sort of saying he was going into

1668
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:11,820
girl mode and stuff like that.

1669
00:48:11,820 --> 00:48:12,690
And people just kind of let them

1670
00:48:12,690 --> 00:48:13,650
get on with it. Like, whatever,

1671
00:48:13,650 --> 00:48:14,940
that's fine. You do you and you

1672
00:48:14,940 --> 00:48:16,200
live your best life me

1673
00:48:17,340 --> 00:48:19,710
when I was a woman, full time.

1674
00:48:20,670 --> 00:48:22,920
And so he's now basically he

1675
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:23,940
just wears a pink beret and a

1676
00:48:23,940 --> 00:48:25,260
floral dress, and

1677
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,110
Marge Simpson makeup, and now

1678
00:48:28,110 --> 00:48:28,920
all of a sudden, he's a woman,

1679
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,230
right? But he's, he's standing

1680
00:48:31,260 --> 00:48:33,840
as an MP for the Labour Party,

1681
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:35,940
in Sheffield, and he almost

1682
00:48:35,940 --> 00:48:37,350
certainly when because the North

1683
00:48:37,410 --> 00:48:39,420
tends to vote Labour anyway,

1684
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,490
even before the Conservative

1685
00:48:41,490 --> 00:48:42,810
Party is falling apart, so he

1686
00:48:42,810 --> 00:48:43,650
will almost certainly win. And

1687
00:48:43,650 --> 00:48:45,510
he'll become a female MP, but

1688
00:48:46,170 --> 00:48:48,900
you know, he's a man but he, he

1689
00:48:49,020 --> 00:48:51,870
has been video going into

1690
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:53,760
women's bathrooms and coming in

1691
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,290
out of women's bathrooms, like,

1692
00:48:55,380 --> 00:48:57,150
you know, it's created like a

1693
00:48:57,150 --> 00:48:58,950
real crazy thing round here.

1694
00:49:00,450 --> 00:49:02,160
Where people are female, you

1695
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,260
know, like, we need safe spaces.

1696
00:49:04,260 --> 00:49:05,370
Like this isn't right, this

1697
00:49:05,370 --> 00:49:06,600
isn't right. And so people that

1698
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:07,710
have been standing up against

1699
00:49:07,710 --> 00:49:09,030
him have been, you know, getting

1700
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,630
banned and given warnings and

1701
00:49:13,350 --> 00:49:15,270
abused and called transphobic

1702
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:16,170
and all this kind of stuff. It's

1703
00:49:16,170 --> 00:49:17,580
been real kind of surreal here

1704
00:49:17,580 --> 00:49:20,010
to watch it. And so he was

1705
00:49:20,010 --> 00:49:21,390
interviewed the other day, and

1706
00:49:21,390 --> 00:49:22,770
he was that they kind of said to

1707
00:49:22,770 --> 00:49:23,520
him, you know, what do you say

1708
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,200
to women that have you know,

1709
00:49:25,260 --> 00:49:27,300
very real fears about you know,

1710
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:29,640
biological men you know,

1711
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,800
technically been going into this

1712
00:49:31,830 --> 00:49:33,000
spaces and whatever and he's

1713
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:33,540
just like,

1714
00:49:34,770 --> 00:49:36,330
you know, people just need to

1715
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:37,980
sort themselves out and get with

1716
00:49:37,980 --> 00:49:39,060
a 21st century

1717
00:49:41,010 --> 00:49:42,360
a psych that used to be called

1718
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,150
mansplaining that but it's it

1719
00:49:45,150 --> 00:49:46,500
really is extraordinary and fun

1720
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:47,880
for people in America to have a

1721
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,400
look at it is odd it's because

1722
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,830
of just the absolute madness of

1723
00:49:52,830 --> 00:49:55,530
it. And and all the news like

1724
00:49:55,530 --> 00:49:57,330
the mainstream news papers, call

1725
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,000
it call Eddie her you know,

1726
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,260
She's going to do this, she's

1727
00:50:01,260 --> 00:50:02,280
going to do that. And you take a

1728
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,230
look. And well, I think even the

1729
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:06,360
conservative outlets in the UK

1730
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:07,410
have gone out of their way to be

1731
00:50:07,410 --> 00:50:09,390
really accommodating of, of this

1732
00:50:09,390 --> 00:50:11,610
stuff, in particular. But I

1733
00:50:11,610 --> 00:50:12,930
mean, it's a really complicated

1734
00:50:12,930 --> 00:50:14,130
issue. So I mean,

1735
00:50:15,269 --> 00:50:16,709
you know, if you talk to some

1736
00:50:16,709 --> 00:50:18,299
lesbians, for example, and they

1737
00:50:18,299 --> 00:50:19,409
have an event where it's

1738
00:50:19,409 --> 00:50:21,119
biological women who are

1739
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:22,589
lesbian, attending, and it's

1740
00:50:22,589 --> 00:50:23,879
their safe space, and then all

1741
00:50:23,879 --> 00:50:26,879
of a sudden, you know, a trans

1742
00:50:26,879 --> 00:50:31,289
woman who likes women comes and

1743
00:50:31,289 --> 00:50:32,699
tries to go to the to that it's

1744
00:50:32,699 --> 00:50:33,899
a lot of mixed feelings in that

1745
00:50:33,899 --> 00:50:35,459
community. Are those lesbians

1746
00:50:35,459 --> 00:50:37,739
bigots? Right? Because they

1747
00:50:37,739 --> 00:50:39,479
don't feel, you know, are they

1748
00:50:39,479 --> 00:50:41,759
anti trans or anti gay when

1749
00:50:41,759 --> 00:50:42,749
they're again, I mean, it's just

1750
00:50:42,749 --> 00:50:43,169
like,

1751
00:50:44,370 --> 00:50:45,780
a really complicated issue. And

1752
00:50:45,780 --> 00:50:47,010
it's, they sort of just make it

1753
00:50:47,010 --> 00:50:48,780
like, only the feelings of one

1754
00:50:48,780 --> 00:50:50,370
person and that story matter,

1755
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,650
you know? Yeah. Well, that's how

1756
00:50:52,740 --> 00:50:54,090
that's how it is here. I mean,

1757
00:50:54,210 --> 00:50:54,990
there's a trans

1758
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,080
organization called mermaids,

1759
00:50:58,110 --> 00:50:58,560
which

1760
00:50:59,610 --> 00:51:00,930
horrendous I think they got in

1761
00:51:00,930 --> 00:51:02,700
trouble with the NHS. And they

1762
00:51:02,700 --> 00:51:04,260
recently, I mean, they Yeah,

1763
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,110
like, the line on some stuff.

1764
00:51:07,290 --> 00:51:09,390
Yeah, the, you know, they're not

1765
00:51:09,390 --> 00:51:11,010
a nice organization at all, but

1766
00:51:11,010 --> 00:51:13,110
they, they're now fighting in

1767
00:51:13,110 --> 00:51:14,340
the courts to get there's an

1768
00:51:14,340 --> 00:51:16,470
organization here called LGB.

1769
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:18,840
Alliance. So obviously, lesbian,

1770
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,540
gay bisexual Alliance, where

1771
00:51:21,540 --> 00:51:22,470
they're basically, you know,

1772
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:23,790
trying to protect their own

1773
00:51:23,790 --> 00:51:25,530
rights. So it's not a case of

1774
00:51:25,530 --> 00:51:26,790
their rights are just smashed

1775
00:51:26,820 --> 00:51:28,350
for, you know, to accommodate

1776
00:51:28,350 --> 00:51:30,870
the team, basically. And so you

1777
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:33,000
know, that mermaids charity is

1778
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,230
now going through the courts to

1779
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:36,870
try and get that organizations

1780
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:39,390
charitable status taken away and

1781
00:51:39,390 --> 00:51:40,380
banned, and all this kind of

1782
00:51:40,380 --> 00:51:42,780
stuff. It's, it's really become

1783
00:51:43,410 --> 00:51:47,160
extraordinary now, in the UK, on

1784
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:48,480
that front, on that kind of

1785
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,520
whole gender thing is, it's got

1786
00:51:50,610 --> 00:51:52,560
really quite unpleasant

1787
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,750
actually. So do you see a point

1788
00:51:54,750 --> 00:51:56,790
where, you know, a lot of this

1789
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:58,680
like cultural stuff that have

1790
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,180
become issues? You know, there's

1791
00:52:00,180 --> 00:52:01,410
we've been talking mostly about,

1792
00:52:01,410 --> 00:52:02,790
like, sort of political speech,

1793
00:52:02,790 --> 00:52:04,470
I guess, today, but do you see

1794
00:52:05,700 --> 00:52:07,740
sort of like speech about this

1795
00:52:07,740 --> 00:52:09,810
push to alter cultural norms? Do

1796
00:52:09,810 --> 00:52:11,250
you see that sort of getting

1797
00:52:11,250 --> 00:52:12,210
thrown in the same?

1798
00:52:13,230 --> 00:52:15,120
I don't know, basket, I guess

1799
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,820
where speech is being, you know,

1800
00:52:17,850 --> 00:52:19,140
inconvenient speech is being

1801
00:52:19,140 --> 00:52:21,270
equated as terrorist activity?

1802
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:23,640
Oh, most certainly. I think if

1803
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,010
any level, if you attempt to

1804
00:52:26,010 --> 00:52:29,100
speak out against what the

1805
00:52:29,100 --> 00:52:30,240
agenda is, then it doesn't

1806
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:31,350
matter whether it's a political

1807
00:52:31,350 --> 00:52:33,270
agenda, or the cultural agenda,

1808
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:34,770
the war on kids, the war on the

1809
00:52:34,770 --> 00:52:37,230
elderly, or any of these things,

1810
00:52:37,230 --> 00:52:38,100
the you know, they will go for

1811
00:52:38,100 --> 00:52:39,270
you in the same way. Because

1812
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,520
it's an you know, you pointing

1813
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:42,420
these things out is an

1814
00:52:42,420 --> 00:52:45,210
inconvenience. And so they want

1815
00:52:45,210 --> 00:52:46,620
to silence those voices. I mean,

1816
00:52:46,620 --> 00:52:48,030
it's very strange. I made a bit

1817
00:52:48,030 --> 00:52:49,080
of a joke, like I said earlier,

1818
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,450
like how I think it's 1% of

1819
00:52:51,450 --> 00:52:53,370
Albanian men is now now in the

1820
00:52:53,370 --> 00:52:54,870
UK, which is insane. I mean,

1821
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:56,850
that's absolutely insane. And it

1822
00:52:56,850 --> 00:52:58,650
would be insane if 1% of English

1823
00:52:58,650 --> 00:53:00,450
men were in Albania. So I mean,

1824
00:53:00,450 --> 00:53:01,770
it's like it's just, it's crazy.

1825
00:53:01,770 --> 00:53:02,220
Anyway,

1826
00:53:03,780 --> 00:53:05,970
I think now 1/6 of people in

1827
00:53:05,970 --> 00:53:07,260
Britain weren't born here as

1828
00:53:07,260 --> 00:53:08,130
well. And it's kind of like, but

1829
00:53:08,130 --> 00:53:09,540
if this continues, like that's,

1830
00:53:09,780 --> 00:53:10,920
it's obviously going to alter

1831
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,270
the culture of a country. Of

1832
00:53:12,270 --> 00:53:13,350
course, it wouldn't be the same

1833
00:53:13,350 --> 00:53:15,570
as if, you know, British people

1834
00:53:15,570 --> 00:53:17,880
went in and went and moved into

1835
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:19,890
Spain or wherever else it would,

1836
00:53:19,890 --> 00:53:21,390
it would create a difference. So

1837
00:53:21,780 --> 00:53:23,550
when they banned that, like, I

1838
00:53:23,550 --> 00:53:24,630
just made it a little it was

1839
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:25,980
just a joke. I was just like,

1840
00:53:26,010 --> 00:53:27,150
you know, like, the EU might be

1841
00:53:27,150 --> 00:53:28,860
smart now. But I'll just, if I

1842
00:53:28,860 --> 00:53:29,940
want to get my dad over there,

1843
00:53:29,940 --> 00:53:31,260
I'll just sort them out an

1844
00:53:31,260 --> 00:53:32,370
Albanian passport, and I'll

1845
00:53:32,370 --> 00:53:33,750
stick him in a dinghy. Right.

1846
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:34,740
And I just thought it was kind

1847
00:53:34,740 --> 00:53:36,660
of like a little throwaway joke.

1848
00:53:36,660 --> 00:53:37,980
And I'll make the amount of

1849
00:53:37,980 --> 00:53:40,320
abuse I got from that. From from

1850
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,150
the Bluetick worker, it calling

1851
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:43,650
me a racist and a bigot. They

1852
00:53:43,650 --> 00:53:44,610
were trying to get me kicked off

1853
00:53:44,610 --> 00:53:46,590
Twitter. So like, you know, like

1854
00:53:46,590 --> 00:53:48,030
when someone reports your tweet,

1855
00:53:48,030 --> 00:53:49,890
you get the email from Twitter,

1856
00:53:49,890 --> 00:53:50,730
you know, telling you how it

1857
00:53:50,730 --> 00:53:51,840
didn't break the guidelines, or

1858
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,510
whatever. The amount of emails I

1859
00:53:54,510 --> 00:53:55,470
was getting, because people were

1860
00:53:55,470 --> 00:53:56,610
reporting this thing. It's like,

1861
00:53:56,610 --> 00:53:57,780
it's a joke. Maybe it's

1862
00:53:57,780 --> 00:53:59,280
literally a joke. It's kind of

1863
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,140
true. But it's a joke, you know.

1864
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,240
And so that, you know, like I

1865
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:04,410
say, I was called hateful and

1866
00:54:04,410 --> 00:54:05,670
bigoted and racist just for

1867
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:07,560
that. And it's like, but who am

1868
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,450
I being racist against Albanians

1869
00:54:09,450 --> 00:54:11,850
at dinghy like, what the hell?

1870
00:54:12,090 --> 00:54:13,710
But so you know, that then

1871
00:54:13,710 --> 00:54:15,630
becomes hate speech? When it's

1872
00:54:15,630 --> 00:54:18,150
just a joke. Yeah. So I mean,

1873
00:54:19,140 --> 00:54:21,240
when it comes to the illegal

1874
00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:22,980
immigration stuff, it's really

1875
00:54:23,010 --> 00:54:25,170
hard. I mean, it's obviously

1876
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:28,110
I don't know, in my personal

1877
00:54:28,110 --> 00:54:29,580
experience, as someone that's

1878
00:54:29,580 --> 00:54:30,690
had to move or shuffle around

1879
00:54:30,690 --> 00:54:32,220
the world a bit in the past two

1880
00:54:32,220 --> 00:54:33,510
years or so. And all these

1881
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:34,680
different laws have come up with

1882
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,750
COVID. And not it's like, been

1883
00:54:36,750 --> 00:54:39,270
very hard to migrate or move

1884
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:41,280
legally to certain countries.

1885
00:54:41,820 --> 00:54:43,470
But those types of barriers

1886
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:45,060
haven't really applied to

1887
00:54:46,140 --> 00:54:47,790
specific populations that are

1888
00:54:47,790 --> 00:54:49,860
crossing and specific illegal

1889
00:54:49,890 --> 00:54:51,630
ways. Right. And so that makes

1890
00:54:51,630 --> 00:54:53,670
you think, Well, it seems like

1891
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:55,230
these governments that are

1892
00:54:55,230 --> 00:54:56,850
allowing that but not allowing

1893
00:54:56,850 --> 00:54:58,290
the other type of migration have

1894
00:54:58,290 --> 00:54:59,850
a vested interest and that type

1895
00:54:59,850 --> 00:54:59,970
of

1896
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,770
activity taking place. And so if

1897
00:55:01,770 --> 00:55:02,910
you're talking about the uptick

1898
00:55:02,910 --> 00:55:04,440
in England of these types of

1899
00:55:05,010 --> 00:55:06,630
migrants arriving, I mean, it's

1900
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:08,160
pretty undeniable that the US on

1901
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:09,270
the southern border is having

1902
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:11,220
that as well. And if you look at

1903
00:55:11,220 --> 00:55:13,050
this, from the bigger context of

1904
00:55:13,050 --> 00:55:15,450
people looking for the

1905
00:55:15,450 --> 00:55:16,890
eradication, I guess, you could

1906
00:55:16,890 --> 00:55:18,900
say, of nationalism and moving

1907
00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:20,880
towards a globalist paradigm,

1908
00:55:21,210 --> 00:55:22,560
what you really have to do is

1909
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,000
you have to fundamentally alter

1910
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,680
national identity, so that it's

1911
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:26,850
not a threat to creating a

1912
00:55:26,850 --> 00:55:28,590
global citizen identity, which

1913
00:55:28,590 --> 00:55:29,970
is what you know, is sort of the

1914
00:55:29,970 --> 00:55:31,080
underpinning of a lot of the

1915
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:32,640
globalism stuff going on right

1916
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,290
now. Right? Oh, absolutely.

1917
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:35,730
sounds it sounds a different

1918
00:55:35,730 --> 00:55:37,620
place is a different place from

1919
00:55:37,620 --> 00:55:39,090
when I was a kid. And I'm only

1920
00:55:39,090 --> 00:55:40,710
40. Like, I'm not that old. I

1921
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:42,180
feel it. But it's a totally

1922
00:55:42,180 --> 00:55:43,170
different place from when I was

1923
00:55:43,170 --> 00:55:45,150
a kid. So goodness knows how

1924
00:55:45,150 --> 00:55:46,320
different it is from when say,

1925
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:47,790
my dad's mum was a kid, you

1926
00:55:47,790 --> 00:55:48,870
know, like that the place has

1927
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:51,630
changed so much. Yeah, it's an

1928
00:55:51,630 --> 00:55:53,310
island is an island. Do you know

1929
00:55:53,310 --> 00:55:54,510
and like, with, what are the

1930
00:55:54,510 --> 00:55:55,890
people coming over from Albania?

1931
00:55:55,890 --> 00:55:56,910
So how many countries have you

1932
00:55:56,910 --> 00:55:58,050
got to go through before you get

1933
00:55:58,050 --> 00:55:59,040
to England? So there's obviously

1934
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,810
a reason for it for it to be

1935
00:56:00,810 --> 00:56:01,860
England, whatever that reason

1936
00:56:01,860 --> 00:56:03,810
is? I don't know. But, you know,

1937
00:56:03,810 --> 00:56:04,710
there's obviously a reason

1938
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:06,930
behind it. And you're right, you

1939
00:56:06,930 --> 00:56:07,290
know,

1940
00:56:08,700 --> 00:56:11,190
rules don't apply. In this case,

1941
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:12,120
if they wanted to stop it, they

1942
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:13,200
could stop it in the same way.

1943
00:56:13,230 --> 00:56:14,640
You know, they can stop whatever

1944
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:15,660
other stuff they don't want.

1945
00:56:15,690 --> 00:56:17,010
They obviously yeah, I mean,

1946
00:56:17,010 --> 00:56:18,870
just look at the US. Because

1947
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:20,670
DHS, the Department of Homeland

1948
00:56:20,670 --> 00:56:22,440
Security, its mandate, the

1949
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:23,850
reason it's supposedly been

1950
00:56:23,850 --> 00:56:25,500
needed so badly, since it was

1951
00:56:25,500 --> 00:56:27,420
made 20 years ago, is largely

1952
00:56:27,420 --> 00:56:29,130
about securing the border. And

1953
00:56:29,130 --> 00:56:30,360
they have no interest in doing

1954
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:31,560
that. And they've made it really

1955
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,120
clear. And there's been a lot of

1956
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,980
political huffing and puffing on

1957
00:56:34,980 --> 00:56:39,300
both sides about it. But it's in

1958
00:56:39,780 --> 00:56:41,370
the policy doesn't make a lot of

1959
00:56:41,370 --> 00:56:43,230
sense at the end of the day. And

1960
00:56:43,230 --> 00:56:44,220
so you know, I'll give an

1961
00:56:44,220 --> 00:56:45,540
example from Chile that sort of

1962
00:56:45,540 --> 00:56:47,160
a little removed, maybe for some

1963
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:48,720
people that have like emotional,

1964
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:50,550
really strong emotions one way

1965
00:56:50,550 --> 00:56:51,720
or the other about this issue in

1966
00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:53,670
the US or the UK or Europe or

1967
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:54,930
whatever. But like in Chile,

1968
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,910
where I live, there's also a

1969
00:56:56,910 --> 00:56:58,830
major migrant issue. And there's

1970
00:56:58,830 --> 00:57:01,650
people that identify as laughed,

1971
00:57:01,650 --> 00:57:05,070
and all sorts of stuff that are

1972
00:57:05,070 --> 00:57:07,110
concerned that Chile is not like

1973
00:57:07,110 --> 00:57:09,390
it used to be and they want it,

1974
00:57:09,420 --> 00:57:11,670
you know, they are concerned

1975
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:13,710
that the way they identify with

1976
00:57:13,710 --> 00:57:15,870
their like, not necessarily

1977
00:57:15,870 --> 00:57:17,700
nationalism, but like, you know,

1978
00:57:17,730 --> 00:57:19,380
they like their country, and

1979
00:57:19,380 --> 00:57:21,060
they liked being Chilean. And

1980
00:57:21,060 --> 00:57:22,290
now they feel like, you know, if

1981
00:57:22,290 --> 00:57:23,400
you go to a bunch of cities in

1982
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:24,600
the north, they're not Chilean

1983
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:25,950
anymore. So like, for example,

1984
00:57:25,950 --> 00:57:26,790
people that go

1985
00:57:27,810 --> 00:57:29,130
to cities in the far north,

1986
00:57:29,130 --> 00:57:30,150
there used to be a tourism

1987
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:31,710
industry there to an extent for

1988
00:57:31,710 --> 00:57:32,970
the beaches and whatever. Now

1989
00:57:32,970 --> 00:57:34,560
there's not because the Chileans

1990
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:35,490
that would go there,

1991
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:38,160
they just, you know, it's not

1992
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:39,330
the same to them anymore. A lot

1993
00:57:39,330 --> 00:57:40,260
of the stuff that they liked

1994
00:57:40,260 --> 00:57:41,190
about it at the time, isn't

1995
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:42,840
there? And like is it you know,

1996
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,370
if you have a particular thing

1997
00:57:44,370 --> 00:57:45,360
you idealize from your

1998
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:46,590
childhood, or things that you

1999
00:57:46,590 --> 00:57:48,150
liked about your country, and

2000
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:49,380
they disappear? Because a bunch

2001
00:57:49,380 --> 00:57:51,030
of people that aren't from there

2002
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:52,620
have come? Does that make you a

2003
00:57:52,620 --> 00:57:54,480
racist? What about the people in

2004
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:55,800
the the countries they're coming

2005
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,060
from, you know, for example, a

2006
00:57:57,060 --> 00:57:58,320
lot of migrants in Europe are

2007
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,540
from what Africa and Libya and

2008
00:58:00,540 --> 00:58:02,250
or even in the US, they're from

2009
00:58:02,250 --> 00:58:03,420
Honduras, or places where

2010
00:58:03,420 --> 00:58:06,090
there's violence being created

2011
00:58:06,090 --> 00:58:07,950
in their home countries, a lot

2012
00:58:07,950 --> 00:58:09,660
of times by these, you know, the

2013
00:58:09,660 --> 00:58:11,880
Western foreign policy, they

2014
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,070
probably want their countries to

2015
00:58:14,070 --> 00:58:15,810
stay to have stayed the same and

2016
00:58:15,810 --> 00:58:17,280
not been totally decimated or

2017
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:18,930
destroyed or attacked by these,

2018
00:58:19,290 --> 00:58:20,760
by these entities. So we're all

2019
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,920
sort of, you know, migrant and

2020
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,200
non migrant, having the same

2021
00:58:25,230 --> 00:58:27,210
types of crises within ourselves

2022
00:58:27,210 --> 00:58:28,650
and what we longed for in a

2023
00:58:28,650 --> 00:58:29,910
national identity. It's being

2024
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:31,080
taken away and for people on

2025
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,240
both sides, and what are we

2026
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:34,530
being pushed towards, but I

2027
00:58:34,530 --> 00:58:36,060
think, you know, either one side

2028
00:58:36,060 --> 00:58:37,200
or the other, you know, the

2029
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:38,700
left, really only focus may be

2030
00:58:38,700 --> 00:58:39,900
on the migrant point of view,

2031
00:58:39,900 --> 00:58:41,160
and then the right only focus

2032
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:42,540
focus on the non migrant point

2033
00:58:42,540 --> 00:58:43,590
of view, but we're all having

2034
00:58:43,590 --> 00:58:46,920
our, our national identities and

2035
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,690
cultural identities taken from

2036
00:58:48,690 --> 00:58:50,880
us right now. Oh, exactly. And,

2037
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:51,810
you know, when you think in

2038
00:58:51,810 --> 00:58:54,090
terms of the cause of it being

2039
00:58:54,090 --> 00:58:55,440
government foreign policy, is

2040
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:56,580
that whole chicken and the egg

2041
00:58:56,580 --> 00:58:57,360
thing, isn't it? It's not I

2042
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,760
mean, is that that's the that's

2043
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,500
the intention of doing it. But

2044
00:59:01,500 --> 00:59:02,940
you're totally right. Like I

2045
00:59:02,970 --> 00:59:04,380
there is a massive gray area

2046
00:59:04,380 --> 00:59:06,450
with the whole thing. But you're

2047
00:59:06,450 --> 00:59:08,640
right. The leftists very much

2048
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:09,540
have this view that every

2049
00:59:09,540 --> 00:59:10,890
immigrant coming in as a doctor,

2050
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:12,720
and the far right, have this

2051
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:13,710
view that every immigrant coming

2052
00:59:13,710 --> 00:59:15,600
in is a suicide bomber, and

2053
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,550
neither are correct, obviously.

2054
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:19,140
But it's one of those things

2055
00:59:19,140 --> 00:59:19,980
that you can't have this

2056
00:59:19,980 --> 00:59:21,480
conversation about, and I think

2057
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:22,980
anything you can't have a

2058
00:59:22,980 --> 00:59:24,630
conversation about? Well, that's

2059
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:25,590
why I think, you know, what

2060
00:59:25,590 --> 00:59:26,490
we've talked about today, in

2061
00:59:26,490 --> 00:59:27,780
terms of speech is so important,

2062
00:59:27,780 --> 00:59:29,250
because that gray area doesn't

2063
00:59:29,250 --> 00:59:30,450
get talked about and a lot of

2064
00:59:30,450 --> 00:59:32,430
people who do talk about those

2065
00:59:32,430 --> 00:59:33,750
gray areas, they either get

2066
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:35,100
censored or they get maligned,

2067
00:59:35,130 --> 00:59:36,210
you know, someone who listens to

2068
00:59:36,210 --> 00:59:38,010
your father and you compare, you

2069
00:59:38,010 --> 00:59:39,330
know, stuff he says with stuff

2070
00:59:39,330 --> 00:59:41,430
mainstream media says he says, I

2071
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:42,660
mean, it's like, really, it's

2072
00:59:42,660 --> 00:59:43,920
like night and day. You know,

2073
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,420
there's a lot of, you know, I

2074
00:59:45,420 --> 00:59:46,260
haven't listened to everything

2075
00:59:46,260 --> 00:59:47,310
your father said, but like,

2076
00:59:47,310 --> 00:59:48,570
there's a lot of nuance a lot of

2077
00:59:48,570 --> 00:59:50,280
the time and then it gets boiled

2078
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:51,480
down and simplified into

2079
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,400
something that's like, so far

2080
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:54,270
removed from what he was

2081
00:59:54,270 --> 00:59:56,040
actually saying, you know, and

2082
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,380
that's sort of how they, they

2083
00:59:58,380 --> 00:59:59,850
characterize them and they

2084
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,230
I don't know, I feel like in

2085
01:00:01,230 --> 01:00:03,000
today's world for the powers

2086
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:04,170
that be like nuanced is

2087
01:00:04,170 --> 01:00:05,670
something they want to eliminate

2088
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:08,160
entirely, or any sort of gray

2089
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,680
area or, you know, big picture

2090
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,840
stuff, where we sort of realize,

2091
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:14,520
oh, well, we agree about a lot

2092
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,230
of base things. And we can start

2093
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:18,630
from there. And come together,

2094
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:19,590
you know, anything that's going

2095
01:00:19,590 --> 01:00:21,960
to bring people together, you

2096
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:23,520
which often seem seems to be in

2097
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,500
this nuanced gray area to sort

2098
01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:27,510
of bring the two extremes to a

2099
01:00:27,510 --> 01:00:30,120
meeting point. You know, they

2100
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:31,440
don't like that. And they don't

2101
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:32,580
want to be there. They don't

2102
01:00:32,580 --> 01:00:33,690
want people to listen to it.

2103
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:35,880
Right. So another thing they use

2104
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:37,050
Whitney, obviously the same in

2105
01:00:37,050 --> 01:00:38,220
the US, but they use it here a

2106
01:00:38,220 --> 01:00:41,070
lot. And I heard it a lot coming

2107
01:00:41,070 --> 01:00:42,480
out of the Dutch band and all

2108
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,340
this sort of stuff, is it's

2109
01:00:44,340 --> 01:00:47,460
trope and dog whistle. And so

2110
01:00:47,970 --> 01:00:49,140
what they can do is they can

2111
01:00:49,140 --> 01:00:50,250
accuse you of saying something

2112
01:00:50,250 --> 01:00:51,750
you haven't actually said by

2113
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:53,250
saying what you said was a dog

2114
01:00:53,250 --> 01:00:55,680
whistle for something else. And

2115
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,210
so we saw it a lot here with a

2116
01:00:57,210 --> 01:00:59,040
term globalist, like globalist

2117
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,340
is a dog whistle for Jewish now,

2118
01:01:02,580 --> 01:01:04,710
right? And it's like, well, no,

2119
01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:08,040
it's really nice. It's a well

2120
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:09,450
used term. And it's there are

2121
01:01:09,450 --> 01:01:10,470
globalist there's people that

2122
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:11,610
describe themselves as

2123
01:01:11,610 --> 01:01:13,500
globalist. But that's something

2124
01:01:13,500 --> 01:01:15,180
they've done here in a way to

2125
01:01:15,210 --> 01:01:16,650
silence people. So when you can

2126
01:01:16,650 --> 01:01:18,450
say, oh, you know, you know,

2127
01:01:18,450 --> 01:01:20,640
globalist want to do this. And

2128
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:21,750
then they call you anti semitic.

2129
01:01:21,750 --> 01:01:23,550
And what's anti semitic about

2130
01:01:23,550 --> 01:01:25,110
that? Are we talking about our

2131
01:01:25,110 --> 01:01:26,370
globalist is a dog whistle.

2132
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:28,530
Okay, so what you're doing is

2133
01:01:28,530 --> 01:01:29,430
you're accusing me of saying

2134
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:31,080
something I didn't actually say,

2135
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,000
by using the term dog whistle or

2136
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,460
trope before, and they do that a

2137
01:01:35,460 --> 01:01:37,140
hell of a lot in Europe. Yeah, I

2138
01:01:37,140 --> 01:01:38,250
mean, it's really complicated.

2139
01:01:38,250 --> 01:01:39,300
And I hope people Well, I think

2140
01:01:39,300 --> 01:01:40,380
people are increasingly getting

2141
01:01:40,380 --> 01:01:42,120
wise to it in the sense that

2142
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:43,290
trust in a lot of the

2143
01:01:43,290 --> 01:01:45,060
organizations and outlets that

2144
01:01:45,060 --> 01:01:46,140
put that push that type of

2145
01:01:46,140 --> 01:01:47,250
rhetoric, I mean, they've kind

2146
01:01:47,250 --> 01:01:48,360
of lost the plot with a lot of

2147
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,310
people. And you know, I said

2148
01:01:50,310 --> 01:01:51,180
this during the time during

2149
01:01:51,180 --> 01:01:52,320
COVID stuff, I think they were

2150
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:53,910
overplaying their hand a lot.

2151
01:01:54,210 --> 01:01:55,350
And a lot of the stuff about

2152
01:01:55,350 --> 01:01:57,090
like the unvaccinated need to be

2153
01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:58,800
wiped off the face of the earth,

2154
01:01:58,800 --> 01:01:59,910
you know, that kind of rhetoric

2155
01:01:59,910 --> 01:02:01,290
when it came out. And now it you

2156
01:02:01,290 --> 01:02:02,820
know, they're trying to ask for

2157
01:02:02,820 --> 01:02:04,350
amnesty and all that stuff. Like

2158
01:02:04,350 --> 01:02:06,840
they're basically acting like,

2159
01:02:06,870 --> 01:02:09,090
you know, Oh, we didn't mean to,

2160
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:10,560
and like there wasn't there

2161
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:11,430
acknowledging there wasn't

2162
01:02:11,430 --> 01:02:13,020
justification at all for that

2163
01:02:13,020 --> 01:02:14,520
type of rhetoric, and that it

2164
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:19,890
was bad and hateful. Right. So I

2165
01:02:19,890 --> 01:02:21,150
don't know, will it keep

2166
01:02:21,150 --> 01:02:22,320
working? Will it make people

2167
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:23,790
that previously didn't question

2168
01:02:23,820 --> 01:02:26,040
this stuff? Question, I think

2169
01:02:26,070 --> 01:02:27,270
yeah, I think more people are

2170
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:28,380
questioning now than ever. The

2171
01:02:28,380 --> 01:02:30,660
question is, how fast are they

2172
01:02:30,660 --> 01:02:31,740
going to drop the censorship

2173
01:02:31,740 --> 01:02:32,970
hammer and under what metrics

2174
01:02:32,970 --> 01:02:34,200
and as we're seeing in the case,

2175
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:36,420
you know, of your father, David

2176
01:02:36,420 --> 01:02:37,890
Icke, and and other people,

2177
01:02:37,890 --> 01:02:39,390
they're increasingly linking

2178
01:02:40,500 --> 01:02:41,790
their censorship efforts with

2179
01:02:41,790 --> 01:02:43,920
their alleged counterterrorism

2180
01:02:44,220 --> 01:02:45,870
efforts, but ultimately, people

2181
01:02:45,870 --> 01:02:47,370
that challenge their authority

2182
01:02:47,370 --> 01:02:49,200
to them are the terrorists and

2183
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:50,700
it doesn't matter if you're, you

2184
01:02:50,700 --> 01:02:52,080
know, someone in Iraq fighting

2185
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:53,550
the US military occupation, or

2186
01:02:53,550 --> 01:02:55,320
you're someone in the US or the

2187
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,680
UK online, trying to call a hold

2188
01:02:58,680 --> 01:02:59,970
the government to account for

2189
01:02:59,970 --> 01:03:01,470
wrongdoing, you know, it's all

2190
01:03:01,470 --> 01:03:03,570
the same in their eyes, I think

2191
01:03:03,570 --> 01:03:05,520
at the end of the day, 100%, but

2192
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:06,630
they're over cooking the eggs,

2193
01:03:06,690 --> 01:03:07,500
like you said, like they

2194
01:03:07,500 --> 01:03:08,850
OVERPLAYED THEIR hand during

2195
01:03:08,850 --> 01:03:10,890
COVID. One thing about that

2196
01:03:10,890 --> 01:03:12,300
Amnesty thing, which is really

2197
01:03:12,300 --> 01:03:13,320
frustrating is lots of people

2198
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:14,880
have come out of asking for

2199
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,560
forgiveness, based on the fact

2200
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:17,580
that oh, you know, we vilified

2201
01:03:17,580 --> 01:03:18,780
these people because we thought

2202
01:03:18,780 --> 01:03:20,400
it stopped transmission. And now

2203
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,750
we know it doesn't I'm sorry.

2204
01:03:22,110 --> 01:03:23,940
Oh, so so it was a so it would

2205
01:03:23,940 --> 01:03:25,860
still be okay to vilify them, if

2206
01:03:25,860 --> 01:03:26,790
you believed it did stop

2207
01:03:26,790 --> 01:03:27,810
transmission. Okay, that's not

2208
01:03:27,810 --> 01:03:28,590
really an apology, then.

2209
01:03:29,940 --> 01:03:32,280
You know, but in terms of that

2210
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,800
kind of, you know, link with

2211
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,480
terrorism and all that sort of

2212
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,460
stuff. They just feel like

2213
01:03:38,460 --> 01:03:39,720
they've really overplayed their

2214
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,070
hand and they've just woken more

2215
01:03:41,070 --> 01:03:43,200
people up like, they've had to

2216
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,060
now try and take the like bowl,

2217
01:03:45,060 --> 01:03:46,500
which is a bowl.com, which is

2218
01:03:46,500 --> 01:03:48,840
the biggest book retailer in

2219
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:50,310
Holland has now banned dad's

2220
01:03:50,310 --> 01:03:51,570
books because they were flying

2221
01:03:51,570 --> 01:03:52,620
off the shelves, because people

2222
01:03:52,620 --> 01:03:54,120
are like wanting to, you know,

2223
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:55,140
find out what the hell this guy

2224
01:03:55,140 --> 01:03:55,680
is saying.

2225
01:03:57,060 --> 01:03:58,110
Because you've you banned him

2226
01:03:58,110 --> 01:03:59,160
from a continent. So you must be

2227
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:00,300
saying something. So books were

2228
01:04:00,300 --> 01:04:01,650
flying off the shelves and

2229
01:04:01,650 --> 01:04:02,700
obviously now that they're

2230
01:04:02,700 --> 01:04:04,980
refusing to stop them. But but

2231
01:04:04,980 --> 01:04:06,210
you know, you could have you

2232
01:04:06,210 --> 01:04:07,890
could have, you could have shut

2233
01:04:07,890 --> 01:04:10,110
down that protest in Amsterdam,

2234
01:04:10,260 --> 01:04:11,580
you could have shut it down. So

2235
01:04:11,580 --> 01:04:13,050
it was a security risk. Say

2236
01:04:13,050 --> 01:04:14,580
you'd had I don't know see that

2237
01:04:14,580 --> 01:04:16,170
a bomb threat. You know, there

2238
01:04:16,170 --> 01:04:17,370
was so much rhetoric in the

2239
01:04:17,370 --> 01:04:18,960
media about my dad that people

2240
01:04:19,050 --> 01:04:20,070
said there were death threats on

2241
01:04:20,070 --> 01:04:22,680
Insta, say say that you had a

2242
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,150
very real bomb threat and so

2243
01:04:24,150 --> 01:04:25,350
you've shut off the whole area

2244
01:04:25,500 --> 01:04:26,700
and you stop it. You could have

2245
01:04:26,700 --> 01:04:28,710
quite easily done that. And it

2246
01:04:28,710 --> 01:04:29,820
wouldn't have alerted anyone to

2247
01:04:29,820 --> 01:04:30,960
anything really. I mean, we'd

2248
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:32,400
have gone year right but you

2249
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:33,510
know, most people in Holland

2250
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:34,620
would have gone Oh, okay, fair

2251
01:04:34,620 --> 01:04:36,420
enough. He doesn't get to speak

2252
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:38,070
but instead you ban him from the

2253
01:04:38,070 --> 01:04:39,720
holy you for two years like

2254
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:41,610
that's gonna wake people up with

2255
01:04:41,610 --> 01:04:42,540
Alex Jones. You could have

2256
01:04:42,540 --> 01:04:43,980
destroyed Infowars and shut down

2257
01:04:43,980 --> 01:04:45,420
Alex Jones by finding him what

2258
01:04:45,420 --> 01:04:46,620
like 10 million quid maybe you

2259
01:04:46,620 --> 01:04:46,800
could have

2260
01:04:48,030 --> 01:04:49,830
a lot of people would have gone

2261
01:04:49,830 --> 01:04:51,600
yeah, Damn straight, but a

2262
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,610
billion. Now we'll have people

2263
01:04:53,610 --> 01:04:55,920
go well hang on, like, you know,

2264
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:57,480
like there's an organization an

2265
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,220
American I think company that

2266
01:04:59,310 --> 01:04:59,820
you know

2267
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,710
spilt a bunch of stuff in the

2268
01:05:01,710 --> 01:05:03,930
water in India, that killed like

2269
01:05:03,930 --> 01:05:05,610
15,000 people they didn't get

2270
01:05:05,610 --> 01:05:06,990
fined half of what Alex Jones

2271
01:05:06,990 --> 01:05:09,300
was fined for saying words. And

2272
01:05:09,300 --> 01:05:12,240
so Wall Street banks collapsed

2273
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,100
the economy of like the world,

2274
01:05:14,130 --> 01:05:14,970
and they weren't even

2275
01:05:14,970 --> 01:05:16,920
investigated by the government

2276
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:17,850
and they didn't have to pay

2277
01:05:17,850 --> 01:05:18,540
anything

2278
01:05:19,860 --> 01:05:20,730
that makes the Bush

2279
01:05:20,730 --> 01:05:22,170
administration kill a million

2280
01:05:22,170 --> 01:05:22,950
Iraqis.

2281
01:05:24,060 --> 01:05:25,560
George W. Bush just celebrated

2282
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,200
as a as a as a great painter

2283
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:29,640
now. I mean, it's like clown

2284
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,130
world. Sure. But he's woken

2285
01:05:32,130 --> 01:05:33,000
people up, I think, because

2286
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:34,260
people like to say, I kept

2287
01:05:34,260 --> 01:05:35,520
seeing all the time David Ickes

2288
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:37,080
and also but David also nuts

2289
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:38,250
above mean, these are not people

2290
01:05:38,250 --> 01:05:40,200
that like our family, but are

2291
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,510
saying, but this is insane. What

2292
01:05:42,510 --> 01:05:43,950
do you mean? Like you banned

2293
01:05:43,950 --> 01:05:45,300
from a continent? Like that's

2294
01:05:45,330 --> 01:05:47,130
insane? Yeah, I mean, it's it's

2295
01:05:47,130 --> 01:05:48,720
next level? Hmm. Well,

2296
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,810
hopefully, it will get better

2297
01:05:51,810 --> 01:05:53,160
before it gets worse, but maybe

2298
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:53,520
not.

2299
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:55,950
At least. Yeah.

2300
01:05:59,190 --> 01:06:00,600
Sorry, what's that? I was gonna

2301
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:01,440
say the more they do it, the

2302
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:02,310
more they show their hand,

2303
01:06:02,310 --> 01:06:04,200
though, you know, and that kind

2304
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:05,070
of fills me with a bit of

2305
01:06:05,070 --> 01:06:06,780
optimism, because I think, you

2306
01:06:06,780 --> 01:06:07,860
know, I don't think that they

2307
01:06:07,860 --> 01:06:09,630
want to show their hand because

2308
01:06:09,630 --> 01:06:10,830
no one wants to show their hand,

2309
01:06:10,860 --> 01:06:12,000
I think you just carry on doing

2310
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:12,930
stuff in the background, that

2311
01:06:12,930 --> 01:06:14,280
would be great. But the fact

2312
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:15,540
that having to show their hand,

2313
01:06:15,540 --> 01:06:16,890
to me at least shows that

2314
01:06:17,130 --> 01:06:18,510
they're frightened of something.

2315
01:06:19,380 --> 01:06:21,630
You know, that if I'm in a

2316
01:06:21,630 --> 01:06:23,730
boxing match, and you know, the

2317
01:06:23,730 --> 01:06:24,840
only time I'm going to start

2318
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:28,020
throwing like crazy haymakers is

2319
01:06:28,020 --> 01:06:29,640
if I know I'm down on points,

2320
01:06:29,730 --> 01:06:30,840
otherwise, I'm just gonna keep

2321
01:06:30,900 --> 01:06:32,100
just keep jabbing away doing

2322
01:06:32,100 --> 01:06:33,180
what I'm doing, you know, so

2323
01:06:33,900 --> 01:06:35,400
they're flailing so aggressively

2324
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:36,390
at the minute says to me, well,

2325
01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:38,040
that's, that's why I think

2326
01:06:38,100 --> 01:06:40,050
possibly, if they feel like they

2327
01:06:40,050 --> 01:06:41,190
can't control the narrative

2328
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:42,360
anymore, they just might shut

2329
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:43,890
down the internet or shut down a

2330
01:06:43,890 --> 01:06:45,090
lot of stuff. And so when

2331
01:06:45,090 --> 01:06:46,560
talking about solutions for this

2332
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,540
stuff, I really think, you know,

2333
01:06:48,570 --> 01:06:49,470
a lot of people talk about

2334
01:06:49,470 --> 01:06:50,490
getting local, and I think

2335
01:06:50,490 --> 01:06:51,960
that's important too. But, you

2336
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:53,190
know, it may be time to take as

2337
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:55,710
much as you can have this type

2338
01:06:55,710 --> 01:06:57,420
of information offline to your

2339
01:06:57,420 --> 01:06:59,370
community, or even people that

2340
01:06:59,370 --> 01:07:00,810
have resources want to make in

2341
01:07:00,810 --> 01:07:02,400
print publications, I mean,

2342
01:07:02,430 --> 01:07:03,840
that's all stuff to think about

2343
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:05,340
right now. Because that's, you

2344
01:07:05,340 --> 01:07:06,450
know, a lot of their censorship

2345
01:07:06,450 --> 01:07:08,220
efforts are being focused on the

2346
01:07:08,220 --> 01:07:09,420
people producing the content

2347
01:07:09,420 --> 01:07:11,880
they don't like and on

2348
01:07:12,420 --> 01:07:13,920
controlling online speech, not

2349
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,990
so much in print speech, that's

2350
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:16,890
like, you know, printed by

2351
01:07:16,890 --> 01:07:18,240
regular people or stuff like

2352
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:19,350
that, you know, that the focus

2353
01:07:19,350 --> 01:07:20,430
isn't there. So, I mean, there

2354
01:07:20,430 --> 01:07:23,130
are, are things we can do to

2355
01:07:23,250 --> 01:07:24,510
help sort this out. Do you have

2356
01:07:24,510 --> 01:07:26,100
any ideas of your own you'd like

2357
01:07:26,100 --> 01:07:27,750
to add or? Well, that's

2358
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:29,730
happening a lot rounds round

2359
01:07:29,730 --> 01:07:31,020
where I live so I live in the

2360
01:07:31,020 --> 01:07:32,670
center of England in Derbyshire,

2361
01:07:32,670 --> 01:07:34,530
it's very rural. And these

2362
01:07:34,530 --> 01:07:36,330
people are organizing together

2363
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:37,920
and you know, the taken over

2364
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,480
farms, and they're growing their

2365
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:40,980
own food and this kind of stuff.

2366
01:07:41,310 --> 01:07:43,530
There's a lady who lives here

2367
01:07:43,530 --> 01:07:45,210
who was on a TV show called

2368
01:07:45,210 --> 01:07:46,770
Dragon's Den, so she she's worth

2369
01:07:46,770 --> 01:07:47,910
a few million quid, which she

2370
01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:50,790
made from some kind of some

2371
01:07:50,790 --> 01:07:52,680
inventions and stuff. her but

2372
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:53,580
she's very switched on her

2373
01:07:53,580 --> 01:07:55,740
name's Rachel. And so she, you

2374
01:07:55,740 --> 01:07:57,150
know, took over this farm, and

2375
01:07:57,180 --> 01:07:57,990
you know, they're growing all

2376
01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:59,070
this food, and they're just kind

2377
01:07:59,070 --> 01:08:00,330
of you know, and it was funny

2378
01:08:00,330 --> 01:08:01,320
because she had to defend

2379
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:02,400
herself. Bear in mind, you know,

2380
01:08:02,430 --> 01:08:03,930
food scarcity is obviously a

2381
01:08:03,930 --> 01:08:05,280
very real thing we've been told

2382
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,800
about all the time. And so she

2383
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:08,910
had to defend herself to the

2384
01:08:08,910 --> 01:08:10,260
Derbyshire evening telegraph,

2385
01:08:10,260 --> 01:08:11,520
the fact that she wasn't part of

2386
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:13,470
some end of World World cult is

2387
01:08:13,470 --> 01:08:14,730
like, let's just grow food for

2388
01:08:14,730 --> 01:08:15,630
people that are hungry. That's a

2389
01:08:15,630 --> 01:08:19,500
good thing. But, but but mental

2390
01:08:19,500 --> 01:08:21,330
that you'd be like, accused of

2391
01:08:21,330 --> 01:08:22,710
building a cult, just because

2392
01:08:22,710 --> 01:08:24,420
you want to grow food. Exactly,

2393
01:08:24,450 --> 01:08:24,960
exactly.

2394
01:08:26,130 --> 01:08:27,300
At a time when the media is

2395
01:08:27,300 --> 01:08:28,590
telling you this, you know, food

2396
01:08:28,590 --> 01:08:30,090
shortages? Well, yeah. But so

2397
01:08:30,090 --> 01:08:31,860
that's happening. I spoke

2398
01:08:31,860 --> 01:08:33,930
actually at an organization that

2399
01:08:33,930 --> 01:08:34,950
she was at that actually a

2400
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:36,330
couple of weeks ago in a

2401
01:08:36,330 --> 01:08:37,800
political Buxton. And it was, it

2402
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,720
was amazing. The number of

2403
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,060
people, all different ages, all

2404
01:08:42,060 --> 01:08:43,020
very switched on, and they're

2405
01:08:43,020 --> 01:08:44,190
doing all their own thing. And

2406
01:08:44,190 --> 01:08:45,420
you're right, there's a lot of,

2407
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,700
you know, having gigged in bands

2408
01:08:47,700 --> 01:08:48,990
for years, you know, you used

2409
01:08:48,990 --> 01:08:50,130
flyers to try and get people to

2410
01:08:50,130 --> 01:08:51,840
your show. And then it all went

2411
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:53,160
on the internet. So you paid

2412
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:54,120
off, you don't have to print

2413
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:55,230
flyers anymore, or went on the

2414
01:08:55,230 --> 01:08:56,220
internet. And now all sudden

2415
01:08:56,220 --> 01:08:57,480
flyers are back because you

2416
01:08:57,480 --> 01:08:58,530
can't censor that it's in your

2417
01:08:58,530 --> 01:09:00,960
hand. And so, you know, there's

2418
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:01,890
a lot of that going on. There's

2419
01:09:01,890 --> 01:09:03,090
a newspaper in England called

2420
01:09:03,090 --> 01:09:04,680
the light paper, which I think

2421
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,120
spread to Ireland as well. Now,

2422
01:09:06,660 --> 01:09:08,190
it's in Wales arsenal. I saw it

2423
01:09:08,190 --> 01:09:09,330
when I was there. Oh, yeah, of

2424
01:09:09,330 --> 01:09:10,470
course. Yeah. So that's getting

2425
01:09:10,470 --> 01:09:11,520
bigger and bigger and bigger.

2426
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:12,930
Because again, you can't

2427
01:09:12,930 --> 01:09:14,190
sensitize in my hand like

2428
01:09:14,190 --> 01:09:15,600
shortcut. Yeah, I wish more

2429
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,540
people in the US would take cues

2430
01:09:18,540 --> 01:09:20,220
from that because I'm and I

2431
01:09:20,220 --> 01:09:21,390
think at some places, they're

2432
01:09:21,390 --> 01:09:22,590
doing it, but also the US is a

2433
01:09:22,590 --> 01:09:24,240
lot bigger than Britain. So a

2434
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:25,350
lot more people I guess, would

2435
01:09:25,350 --> 01:09:27,510
have to do it to, to have it pop

2436
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:29,430
up all over the place. But I'm

2437
01:09:29,430 --> 01:09:30,600
glad it's happening where you

2438
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,250
are for sure. Yeah. I mean, you

2439
01:09:32,250 --> 01:09:33,510
do find it everywhere as well.

2440
01:09:33,540 --> 01:09:35,130
Like, you know, you'll go into

2441
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:36,240
you know, a waiting room at a

2442
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:37,500
garage and like there's like the

2443
01:09:37,500 --> 01:09:38,910
big pile of bands or like people

2444
01:09:38,910 --> 01:09:40,230
that are in areas that you

2445
01:09:40,230 --> 01:09:42,000
didn't expect. So it's you know,

2446
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:42,810
it's definitely getting out

2447
01:09:42,810 --> 01:09:44,160
there because, you know, people

2448
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:45,660
now know that they've been lied

2449
01:09:45,660 --> 01:09:47,670
to and they they're starting to

2450
01:09:47,670 --> 01:09:49,680
realize that actually those

2451
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,080
crazy tinfoil hat weirdo

2452
01:09:52,110 --> 01:09:53,910
dangerous, hateful figures that

2453
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:55,230
told us that they were lying to

2454
01:09:55,230 --> 01:09:56,700
us were right. Well, what else

2455
01:09:56,700 --> 01:09:58,350
do they write about? And so you

2456
01:09:58,350 --> 01:09:59,970
know people start to to

2457
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,950
to kind of be interested in what

2458
01:10:01,980 --> 01:10:03,630
what we're, you know, saying,

2459
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:05,430
and that's probably why the

2460
01:10:05,430 --> 01:10:06,570
hammer is coming down a bit more

2461
01:10:06,570 --> 01:10:08,280
now, you know? Yeah, that could

2462
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,860
be Well, we're about out of time

2463
01:10:10,860 --> 01:10:12,330
here, Gareth. It was great

2464
01:10:12,330 --> 01:10:13,350
talking to you. Thanks for

2465
01:10:13,350 --> 01:10:15,930
sharing your in your family's

2466
01:10:15,930 --> 01:10:17,190
recent experience and all the

2467
01:10:17,190 --> 01:10:18,900
craziness going on in the world

2468
01:10:18,900 --> 01:10:20,790
and in your guys's life. So

2469
01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:22,320
where can people follow and

2470
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,810
support your work? I'm still on

2471
01:10:24,810 --> 01:10:26,190
Twitter for now. But it's always

2472
01:10:26,190 --> 01:10:27,510
fun now because you know, I

2473
01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:28,470
don't believe Yeah.

2474
01:10:31,740 --> 01:10:33,720
Which is funny because I appeal

2475
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,400
dad's suspension based on the

2476
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:36,780
fact that you know, In for a

2477
01:10:36,780 --> 01:10:38,220
penny in for pound if he's, if

2478
01:10:38,220 --> 01:10:40,800
he's really pushing free speech

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as a sales pitch. He's got to at

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least try and do it for a bit,

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you know, even though I believe

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he's a fraud. And I received an

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email back saying that that

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account will never ever be

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lifted. So okay, we're about

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free speech. And that's cool.

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Uh, especially when he was

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banned for medical

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misinformation, which has since

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01:10:59,130 --> 01:11:00,420
shown to be true, but there you

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go. But so I'm on there, I'm on

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01:11:02,730 --> 01:11:04,170
get up. Because you know, get a

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seems pretty decent. In that

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sense. I can say what I want.

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And I don't, you know, it's free

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01:11:08,610 --> 01:11:10,800
speech. And then iconic.com,

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01:11:10,830 --> 01:11:12,270
obviously, where, you know, you

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01:11:12,270 --> 01:11:12,780
come on,

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01:11:14,010 --> 01:11:15,690
on our show sometimes, which is

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01:11:15,690 --> 01:11:17,250
always a real privilege for us.

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01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:19,710
And, you know, there's lots of

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01:11:19,740 --> 01:11:21,030
different series and current

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01:11:21,030 --> 01:11:22,740
affairs shows and documentaries

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and films and the like on that.

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01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:25,530
And there's also a seven day

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01:11:25,530 --> 01:11:27,660
free trial at all times. So come

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and check it out.

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Alright, super well, again,

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thanks for coming on. Thanks to

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everyone who tuned in to this

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01:11:34,620 --> 01:11:37,230
episode. Sorry about the couple

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01:11:37,230 --> 01:11:39,090
week hiatus, I did try. I did

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try and let people know that was

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going to be the case in the last

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newsletter or a couple

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01:11:44,010 --> 01:11:45,360
newsletters ago that came out.

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01:11:45,390 --> 01:11:46,740
But I was in the US for two

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weeks, I did some interviews

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that you may or may not have

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01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:51,030
seen that we're in studio, I

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01:11:51,030 --> 01:11:51,930
went to the Children's Health

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01:11:51,930 --> 01:11:53,340
defense conference, gave a

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01:11:53,340 --> 01:11:55,770
speech there and did some other

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01:11:55,770 --> 01:11:57,270
stuff while I was in the US for

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01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:58,530
the first time in like eight

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01:11:58,530 --> 01:12:00,840
years. So I just got back a

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01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:02,340
couple days ago. So hopefully

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more content will be coming out

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01:12:03,750 --> 01:12:04,800
for me and from unlimited

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hangout in the coming weeks. So

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again, sorry for that pause

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there and thanks for your

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patience. And thank you so much

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01:12:11,790 --> 01:12:12,960
to all of the unlimited hangout

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01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:14,940
subscribers that make my work in

2536
01:12:14,940 --> 01:12:17,790
this podcast as possible. And

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yeah, that's it for now. Catch

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you all next time.