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Hey and welcome to unlimited

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Webb. For a little over a year,

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Califf. Very few people seem to

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background, and there is very

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this man despite the power he

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significant aspects of American

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confirmation hearings last year,

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and there noting Califf's

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pharmaceutical and biotechnology

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standing ties to Big Pharma and

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conflict of interest. Yet there

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that goes far beyond these

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often than not, are the norm

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and on Capitol Hill. This is

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commissioner, having previously

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Barack Obama's second term.

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When Donald Trump took office in

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becoming the Silicon Valley

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forays into healthcare

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focus subsidiary, verily Life

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has been at the vanguard of the

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called Fourth Industrial

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healthcare, and this has

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has overseen over the past year

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unsurprisingly, Califf himself is

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IR in healthcare and is on

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the four IR vision of World

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Schwab well before his notoriety

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and his allies, the four IR,

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health care, is about the

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and biological cells,

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different name. troublingly as

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already creating regulatory

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bring this dark vision to

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machine interfaces,

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surveillance wearables, among

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same with other four IR health

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gene therapies and much more.

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concerned about the push to

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American health care system and

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is the man to watch. Joining me

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deeper problems here is Maddie

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and Contributor to the last

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year, Maddie published a deep

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real world data on the tlap

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Califf's time before he became

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affair with the World Economic

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Industrial Revolution. I highly

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Califf from the broader issues at

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of read. With that being said,

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Maddy, it's great to have you

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Oh, thanks for having me.

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Absolutely. So, as I

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it's been acknowledged, right

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concerning conflict of interest

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you noted in your article, you

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others have challenged him on

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into some of the other key

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particularly about the four IR

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a little bit about his his

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Well, first of all, is

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trial, over 40,000 participants

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infarction, which is the heart

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Sanofi GlaxoSmithKline on all

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receiving funding from the big

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the majority of his career, most

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and he he, a lot of people, when

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sure to make note of that he's

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writers in the field. They're

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many papers, it's like, over

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statements that lists, you know,

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pharmaceutical companies. So he

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with all of them.

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today is that and what I've

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over the past couple of years,

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have essentially been coming

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ventures. And so what has been

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timeframe is you know, where As

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known revolving door between,

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and other, you know, health care

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Big Pharma. Now, there's a

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health agencies and big tech

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one of these guys, of course.

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few. So if you go to the Google

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Califf is, you know, more or

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of it. But as you note in your

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to Google Health and its

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chief health officers, a lady

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formerly the National

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in the Obama administration. And

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then we have Dr. Michael Howell,

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adviser to the Centers for

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the newest hires at Google

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Patel, who's Senior Director of

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and I guess the relationship

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was, he'd been at the FDA for

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most recently as the FDA is

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global strategy and innovation.

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but of course, probably the most

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be Califf. So as I mentioned in

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at the FDA during the Obama

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joined Google. So I guess maybe

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about his time at Google and why

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stent under the Obama

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passed during his time there.

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when he went back to do for a

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Duke Forge. But in 2019, he

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their their head of like health

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time, he headed project

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initiative, and clinical CTTI,

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private company, who he said has

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what he actually wants. So

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people to join these studies,

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proprietary watch, that is by

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impacts of daylight savings time

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results, while they are posted

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results are not posted there. So

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were. But they also study things

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time to map human health and

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contract with like intelligence

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they can, you know, like drone

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Well, that's fun. Okay, so one

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as a major theme in your article

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specifically about bailiff. So

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a name for himself with this,

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in the mid 90s. But since then,

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revolutionize clinical trials

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baseline, I'd like to get in

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those specific initiatives like

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just wanted to bring up that you

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of key lifts career,

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and this current stint as FDA

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it quote, tireless tirelessly

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removing the obstacles facing

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who Califf is why he was

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administration to be in this

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of time, it's all very important

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people who may not know what the

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what are qlf stated views about

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some of his roles in at the FDA

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promoting these policies?

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Industrial Revolution was real

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important. So he's very, he's

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that it is important, he thinks

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basically what the whole concept

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eventually, our minds will

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technology, and the internet by

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the brainchild of Klaus Schwab

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is to gather as much data

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people or the environment, via

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health records, insurance

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your car, your social media to

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self. They'd like to merge your

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self into one thing, so totally

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book that he wrote in his

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the piece, some of the stuff

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partnership, so he seems very

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described, it's something that's

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healthcare, right? It's supposed

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society, society itself changed

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human, and all other sorts of

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is through healthcare. And you

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artificial intelligence, of

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longtime head of Google. And

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that the best way to get AI mass

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policy. And they essentially

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security imperative. And so on

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supremacy and hegemony that

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if we don't surpass China in

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these types of technologies. But

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their word, you know, that this

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long standing agendas of theirs

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of mass surveillance and things

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that's, that's up to you, and

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opinion about that. But it seems

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of Google and all of this, it's

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Research Institute, which

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FDA, but it sort of saw him

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the stuff that he's overseen

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that you mentioned early,

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trial. So they're looking for

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money, you have to hire staff,

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correct. And have like an actual

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time and cost a lot of money. So

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and from writings that he and

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risk trials that you again, you

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says siloed siloed, and not

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research institute and the ctci

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those those data to be on siloed

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shareable. And also to advocate

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data instead of the randomized

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and that traditional sort of

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So let's talk a little bit

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know, the average person that

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know, research these kinds of

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the way basically the way that

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been conducted. Pretty much in

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era, right? This initiative was

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those trials with this real

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And you have a really helpful

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data and real real world

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you know, that you wrote in some

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you provide in the piece. But

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it reminds me a lot of sort of,

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policy paper, I think from 2018,

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essentially all these different

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there's really like this

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about you and so what's what's

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you know, it has, like, you

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right, and all these different

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are coming off, you know, from

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to be used to replace a clinical

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effectiveness of, of drugs. or

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machine interfaces, you know,

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has stuff like, you know,

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expect, right? Like electronic

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pharmaceutical data, like what

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then the wearable stuff. But it

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data, which is your buying

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right, but also, social media

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interacting with, what you're

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information you're reading, and

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the context of something I'd

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which is Robert K lifts mission

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role in pre empting and

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is, which is interesting there.

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data, this monitoring of stuff

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in existing randomized clinical

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media data, and just sort of

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people without their consent,

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randomized clinical trials, is

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in this, you know, the people

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of the FDA obviously knew that

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of initiatives, and that he was,

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create the regulatory, I guess,

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it a regulatory loophole, but

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alteration of the existing

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just replace it so that all of

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revolution, technology can be

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for mass implementation, mass

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doesn't necessarily have to use

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it any safety, any effectiveness

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don't know, your thoughts on

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Um, I mean, it, the problem

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whether or not the information

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bad. They're trying to come up

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don't think that that's really

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that Kailis has, you know, he

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Google Talks, then it's on

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way, or at least one of the ways

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things go wrong is if they

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that's when we'll know how to

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is if there's like, a massive

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situation that occurs, as he

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gone in the past. But, you know,

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trials where, you know, over

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done, that's, I don't know if

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really makes sense there. So in

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that these real world evidence

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supersede randomized control

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they are using them to fast

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medications and devices, at

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phase two trials. And they're

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post market studies as well. So

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when medical devices or drugs

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them, I think they're still

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trial. But they're, you know,

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implementing and using this as

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costs and getting those things

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possible. And another thing too,

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that I, he uses a lot of

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important and necessary so that

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made available to the public, as

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that's kind of the the pill that

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alongside the current near

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alleges will be occurring, and

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people need these life saving

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them in five to seven years. But

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consumer to adopt all the risk

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Well, we heard this with

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like a change of the regulatory

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we need to get this out faster.

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on the timeline that's

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have to change how trials are

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noted, in my work, and other

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lot of these companies like

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get a product to market under

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paradigm. And so the emergency

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these, you know, emergency

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totally change how a lot of

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were conducted. And, you know,

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professed sense of urgency,

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you know, the risk is being

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receives, you know, the vaccine,

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FDA saying, Yeah, we can say,

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was safe, right, but, you know,

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reflected by the trials, and it

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you know, what you're seeing

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the justification and also cost

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troubling stuff. And I may have

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is that um, so in your piece,

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transformation, clinical trial

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you said it seeks to do is to

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of evidence generated by RCTs.

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Califf is doing now at the FDA

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trying to replace, you know,

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trials entirely. But when it

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like novel devices, not

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vaccines, and like

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more traditional, like pills

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injections and stuff, it seems

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devices, whether they're

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really also are sort of being

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paradigm, this idea of like the

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necessary to physically monitor

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basically use the data that's

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with these devices and the

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essentially replacing

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that seems sort of like a way of

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traditional metrics for these

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course, those devices are

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for IR really rolling in the

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Particularly with the, you know,

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some of these neuromodulation

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system of the human body

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Right?

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What what's funny about that

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devices designation given by the

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for devices that are or to treat

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irreversible diseases, which,

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computer interface, sure, you

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our brain computer interface can

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blind see, or the, you know,

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functioning sides of their body.

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will be applied for many, many

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me that companies like Black

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and neuralink, etcetera, are

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that their brain computer

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life threatening and in or

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to get get their stuff through

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that at FDA so that it can be

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know, disregarding all the other

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and it will most likely be used

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they're, what their primary aim

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So even though you mentioned

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device designation, technically

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these devices that are like for,

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know, diseases, terminal

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like that. It's being given to a

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under these metrics. So a recent

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designation was given to this

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very much you know, it's

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Oh, and it received that

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at home depression treatment

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basically well in the picture in

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basically like a electrodes you

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beanie thing over your head. And

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guess, certain parts of the

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depressed, right. But there's a

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depression, right? And

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as opposed to be for conditions

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treatments, you know? So, this

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of the FDA sort of applying this

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doesn't really need to be given

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look at this example, and a few

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that the current FDA modus

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brand, As it relates to this

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to just sort of be giving it to

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some of these four IR related

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neuromodulation stuff

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them onto the market as quickly

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benefit of consumers. But, you

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special designations, you're

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the, you know, the regulations

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requirements that, you know,

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complete, you know, competitors

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particular designation.

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Yeah, right. I mean, what's

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designation also allows for

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it de novo. So there's no you

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there's not any legally marketed

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like it. As far as I know, Suma

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saw other sort of beanie

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devices a lot like it. So maybe

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space. My My initial thought

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the head cap and the electrodes,

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tried electro thought shock

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that it didn't really work too

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little bit weird. And not it was

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understand that it's a little

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doesn't seem to be too original

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I see, yes, they use a technique

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current stimulation we really

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are a few different definitions

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they're mostly that the

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society defines it as the

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through the targeted direct

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electric or chemical agents at

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of companies that are looking at

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what does that nerve called,

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nerve that that originates at

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autonomic nervous system. And

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Parkinson's to stop the hand

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of people looking at that for

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to use it for rheumatoid

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that. So one of the

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neuromodulation of that

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I guess, the spleen at nerve is

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Galvani bioelectronics, which is

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context of Robert Califf,

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GlaxoSmithKline. And verily,

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subsidiary that Robert Califf

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years. And they're one of the

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think they've already started

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they have a lot of ambitions for

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which is basically to alter how

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whether it's targeting specific

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groups of nerves, or the entire

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ambition there. And of course,

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behind project baseline, which

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earlier. And I think not enough

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this. And it's a really crazy

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So, um, there's this one,

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been written on baseline, you

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So one summary offered here and

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on already and what you've

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verily baseline Health Study

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around the same time that Califf

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health strategist, right. It was

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of mapping human health by

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of sources, including self

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wearable recorded data, or

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records. And as you mentioned

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Cures Act, some of that recorded

534
00:34:21,629 --> 00:34:24,809
that data can be obtained

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Anyway, so it says essentially,

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health study, and the broader

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about changing. Again, how

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So I first heard about Project

539
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because they were using it

540
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bunch of weird stuff was going

541
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including having people forcing

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and the San Francisco area which

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government there, or had

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do this, and they were requiring

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basically link their test

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And if they didn't have a Google

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order to participate, which is

548
00:35:17,909 --> 00:35:21,509
what it sounds like to me is

549
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trying to gather an insane

550
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all different types of purposes.

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say, is to collect comprehensive

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of better understanding health

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And it's important to keep in

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has been going on and when this

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Pentagon and Google teamed up

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health care thing. So basically,

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these, this massive cachet that

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veteran and military health

559
00:36:00,779 --> 00:36:03,809
things like that, to train AI so

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00:36:03,809 --> 00:36:07,829
predictive cancer diagnoses. So

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00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:10,499
well, we've decided that you'll

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but you don't actually have

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this sort of, you know, what

564
00:36:16,109 --> 00:36:18,599
Ryan Christian are sort of

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paradigm applied to healthcare.

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told that you're going to

567
00:36:26,369 --> 00:36:30,599
some of these different devices

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accumulation, and they're going

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you what you're likely to

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00:36:36,569 --> 00:36:39,599
and then go and offer you all

571
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:43,679
therapeutics, whether it's stuff

572
00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:48,479
gene therapy, or, you know,

573
00:36:48,479 --> 00:36:51,389
or wearables are stuff that

574
00:36:51,389 --> 00:36:54,629
nervous system, or changes how

575
00:36:54,629 --> 00:36:57,119
stuff, even though at that

576
00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:01,379
actually need it, it's being

577
00:37:01,499 --> 00:37:04,739
And this is, again, Google with

578
00:37:04,739 --> 00:37:08,459
have them of course, doing it,

579
00:37:08,459 --> 00:37:11,279
different guises. But

580
00:37:11,459 --> 00:37:15,959
per them about health care.

581
00:37:15,959 --> 00:37:18,719
more than that, if you asked me,

582
00:37:18,990 --> 00:37:23,730
yeah. And Kayla's. In an

583
00:37:23,730 --> 00:37:27,810
sort of, you know, influence

584
00:37:27,810 --> 00:37:32,040
regards to their health is, you

585
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,040
already happening. And it's been

586
00:37:35,070 --> 00:37:39,630
you know, private market

587
00:37:39,630 --> 00:37:42,810
your computer and tracking what

588
00:37:42,810 --> 00:37:45,300
you might be interested in

589
00:37:45,300 --> 00:37:49,650
to you. So he's just in he

590
00:37:49,650 --> 00:37:53,190
necessarily good. It's not

591
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:58,530
need, or make them have a happy

592
00:37:58,530 --> 00:38:01,890
saying is, well, that's bad when

593
00:38:01,890 --> 00:38:06,000
we're trying to help people live

594
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,580
going to track you and just the

595
00:38:08,580 --> 00:38:12,930
you and influence you in just

596
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,590
delivering those drugs and those

597
00:38:16,590 --> 00:38:19,710
actually you need, right, and

598
00:38:19,710 --> 00:38:22,890
need them because we have all

599
00:38:22,890 --> 00:38:28,740
evidence that we found and tell

600
00:38:28,740 --> 00:38:33,150
your life before you are even

601
00:38:33,150 --> 00:38:36,360
about it. But like you said it

602
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,440
thinks that it's totally fine.

603
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,680
bad guys. And the bad guys are

604
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,610
and food and stuff like that.

605
00:38:47,610 --> 00:38:51,630
sell you pharmaceutical, drugs

606
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:57,210
Yeah, crazy. So. So in your

607
00:38:57,210 --> 00:39:00,390
about the Cures Act, you sort of

608
00:39:00,390 --> 00:39:04,680
and getting that certain aspects

609
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,070
in place, you know, involved in

610
00:39:08,070 --> 00:39:12,750
lobbying process for this

611
00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:16,200
it interesting, too, that rolled

612
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,670
like the BRAIN Initiative, and

613
00:39:20,670 --> 00:39:24,390
Initiative, which, you know, is

614
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:28,890
Biden's recent creation of ARPA

615
00:39:28,890 --> 00:39:31,260
around to the Trump

616
00:39:31,290 --> 00:39:35,940
Harper. And we're basically a

617
00:39:35,940 --> 00:39:39,990
and I actually did a podcast a

618
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:44,820
guys behind the BRAIN Initiative

619
00:39:44,820 --> 00:39:47,940
where I live down in South

620
00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:52,680
Chile to be the first country to

621
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:58,470
called neuro writes. This idea

622
00:39:58,470 --> 00:40:01,830
individuality and so Out of this

623
00:40:01,830 --> 00:40:04,830
interfaces, and all of this are,

624
00:40:04,830 --> 00:40:08,130
essentially, you know what I

625
00:40:08,130 --> 00:40:10,920
being in that particular

626
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,550
framed as protecting you from

627
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:18,540
could do to you. Making you lose

628
00:40:18,540 --> 00:40:23,100
things, is really about creating

629
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:27,420
public justifications to get

630
00:40:27,420 --> 00:40:30,780
market, not necessarily for

631
00:40:30,780 --> 00:40:34,080
also for commercial purposes.

632
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,210
like neuro link and stuff, you

633
00:40:36,210 --> 00:40:39,240
saying and I guess Syncron, to

634
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,820
firms doing the same thing, you

635
00:40:41,820 --> 00:40:44,400
framing this as Oh, this is a

636
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,970
that are paralyzed, walk, and,

637
00:40:47,970 --> 00:40:50,220
all of that, but at the same

638
00:40:50,220 --> 00:40:53,760
like, pretty open, that neuro

639
00:40:54,060 --> 00:40:56,670
used for commercial purposes,

640
00:40:56,670 --> 00:40:59,430
video games and stuff. And you

641
00:40:59,430 --> 00:41:02,040
trials, they promoted were like

642
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,610
implant playing video games with

643
00:41:05,610 --> 00:41:09,480
paralyzed monkeys walking again,

644
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:14,190
seems, you know, a bit different

645
00:41:14,190 --> 00:41:14,610
sold.

646
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,580
Sure. I think, you know, for

647
00:41:17,580 --> 00:41:21,570
the only, there's a difference

648
00:41:21,570 --> 00:41:25,380
And you can, you know, postulate

649
00:41:25,380 --> 00:41:29,250
help people walk or see or

650
00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:35,250
evidence of that, at least as

651
00:41:35,250 --> 00:41:38,580
and video footage and things

652
00:41:38,580 --> 00:41:44,160
evidence for that actually

653
00:41:44,250 --> 00:41:47,100
able to be accomplished is that

654
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:52,050
you're a total, if you're 100%,

655
00:41:52,050 --> 00:41:55,200
to move your hands or interface

656
00:41:55,380 --> 00:41:58,830
they say, quote, unquote, simply

657
00:41:58,830 --> 00:42:01,740
have medical application, you

658
00:42:01,740 --> 00:42:05,670
people who are paralyzed, sure,

659
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:10,290
it for that? So it's just to

660
00:42:10,290 --> 00:42:15,450
these sort of fast tracks to

661
00:42:15,450 --> 00:42:18,030
competition and kind of

662
00:42:18,030 --> 00:42:22,650
as you can. Which is, I would

663
00:42:22,650 --> 00:42:26,490
further ahead than than anybody

664
00:42:26,490 --> 00:42:31,320
to be what it's actually for.

665
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,070
know, the brain computer

666
00:42:35,070 --> 00:42:38,760
just not enough evidence out

667
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:43,500
actually going to help people

668
00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:46,320
know, the ever irreversibly

669
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:53,730
life threatening diseases. There

670
00:42:53,730 --> 00:42:57,150
things called like neuro neuro

671
00:42:57,150 --> 00:43:02,490
it is. They have this brain

672
00:43:02,490 --> 00:43:06,300
with an exoskeleton that helps

673
00:43:06,300 --> 00:43:09,960
had a stroke, move the hand,

674
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,790
makes more sense. But yeah, it

675
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:17,310
these things on the market as

676
00:43:17,340 --> 00:43:20,160
guise of helping people as

677
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,300
Yeah. And what I mentioned

678
00:43:24,300 --> 00:43:27,960
know, ulterior motive coming

679
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,050
national security state and

680
00:43:31,050 --> 00:43:33,540
to get the stuff out there on

681
00:43:33,540 --> 00:43:36,180
possible because they see it as

682
00:43:36,180 --> 00:43:41,160
China. Right. Which is also

683
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,110
key point I want to make here

684
00:43:43,110 --> 00:43:45,570
familiar with, you know, my

685
00:43:45,570 --> 00:43:48,600
analysis of statements made by

686
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,620
Economic Forum and big you know,

687
00:43:52,620 --> 00:43:56,160
Noah Harare, who basically say

688
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:00,000
paradigm, like getting wearables

689
00:44:00,690 --> 00:44:04,260
that will, you know, result in

690
00:44:04,290 --> 00:44:07,740
digital dictatorships, you know,

691
00:44:07,740 --> 00:44:11,190
what's going on not just inside

692
00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:14,790
And I think this is all kind of

693
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:18,360
at the big players here in the

694
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,570
mass surveillance is also, you

695
00:44:21,570 --> 00:44:25,440
effort to launch a war on

696
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,770
everybody and sort of usher in

697
00:44:28,770 --> 00:44:32,130
after 911 with things like DARPA

698
00:44:32,130 --> 00:44:35,340
and stuff. So you know, you have

699
00:44:35,340 --> 00:44:38,490
Palantir, which is basically you

700
00:44:38,820 --> 00:44:43,170
essentially a CIA front that is

701
00:44:43,170 --> 00:44:47,640
awareness, privatized and so

702
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:52,110
and has been running a lot of

703
00:44:52,110 --> 00:44:56,070
other health data held by HHS

704
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,780
Basically, all NHS data is being

705
00:45:00,780 --> 00:45:05,160
then you have Google having this

706
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,900
host the FDA is my studies

707
00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:13,110
and they have for some time, and

708
00:45:13,110 --> 00:45:15,750
know, this revolving door, like

709
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:20,040
between the, the regulatory

710
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,950
is being used for a lot of these

711
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:26,790
these, you know, more novel

712
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:30,090
neuromodulation devices on the

713
00:45:30,270 --> 00:45:33,810
you know, in person monitoring

714
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,530
electronically conducted fully

715
00:45:37,530 --> 00:45:39,240
they're teamed up with the

716
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:42,660
sorts of crazy stuff going on

717
00:45:42,690 --> 00:45:46,020
overlap is interesting in the

718
00:45:46,020 --> 00:45:50,850
know, misinformation trying to

719
00:45:50,850 --> 00:45:54,450
what's deemed as misinformation

720
00:45:54,450 --> 00:45:57,000
also is, you know, one of the

721
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,410
war on domestic terror, because

722
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,250
since he came in to art it's

723
00:46:05,250 --> 00:46:10,410
year about the need for the FDA

724
00:46:10,410 --> 00:46:13,800
debunk misinformation, which is

725
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,180
their efforts on that front have

726
00:46:18,180 --> 00:46:21,930
spreading the misinformation,

727
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:27,000
ivermectin is not like, able to

728
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,480
it's like a horse and cow

729
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,020
regardless of what you think

730
00:46:34,020 --> 00:46:36,720
treatment of COVID, or whatever,

731
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:40,020
was being used in people. So to

732
00:46:40,020 --> 00:46:42,900
to warmer exclusively, like had

733
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:48,600
accurate. And the FDA obviously

734
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,150
interesting that you'd have you

735
00:46:51,150 --> 00:46:53,580
big players in the healthcare

736
00:46:53,580 --> 00:46:56,910
more tied up with the FDA. And

737
00:46:56,910 --> 00:47:00,000
misinformation, crackdown and

738
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,680
misinformation as well. And I

739
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:07,950
might want to see that there's

740
00:47:07,950 --> 00:47:10,770
Because once you're surveilling

741
00:47:10,770 --> 00:47:13,560
guise of healthcare, or under

742
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:18,510
terrorism, I mean, ultimately, I

743
00:47:18,510 --> 00:47:21,600
essentially. And I've also kind

744
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,900
work on, on the creation of ARPA

745
00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:27,990
administration, which sort of

746
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:32,730
stuff you were talking about

747
00:47:32,730 --> 00:47:36,210
I mean, essentially, that's also

748
00:47:36,210 --> 00:47:40,110
wearables for this, you know,

749
00:47:40,110 --> 00:47:43,680
precision health paradigm and

750
00:47:43,710 --> 00:47:46,500
it may be it's being framed as

751
00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:49,410
health. But ultimately, it seems

752
00:47:49,410 --> 00:47:52,440
about an insane paradigm of mass

753
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,890
trying to see what sort of

754
00:47:55,890 --> 00:47:58,770
it, you know, what sticks and

755
00:47:58,770 --> 00:48:02,070
believe and need to feel in

756
00:48:02,070 --> 00:48:04,050
of technology on and in their

757
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,080
Yeah, I think that's the

758
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,520
you know, well, Klaus Schwab.

759
00:48:11,610 --> 00:48:15,000
are as true believers, they

760
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:20,160
our personal and digital selves,

761
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,220
it's really about the last

762
00:48:23,460 --> 00:48:27,930
right, and also, including

763
00:48:27,930 --> 00:48:31,560
somehow be able to predict, and

764
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:36,120
government, at least for a long

765
00:48:37,050 --> 00:48:41,760
artificial artificial models of

766
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,810
to predict how military

767
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,610
the certain release of

768
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,440
created a computer generated

769
00:48:52,980 --> 00:48:55,890
to the finest detail possible,

770
00:48:55,890 --> 00:49:00,480
future. And really, they need a

771
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,290
how people think. And I think

772
00:49:04,290 --> 00:49:09,300
the mind is really the last

773
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,140
capitalism and in any in

774
00:49:13,140 --> 00:49:22,200
control. So that seems to be to

775
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,700
people's physical and digital

776
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:29,580
frame it as that's something

777
00:49:29,580 --> 00:49:33,360
inevitably, the private market

778
00:49:33,390 --> 00:49:38,250
are kind of already doing that

779
00:49:38,250 --> 00:49:41,850
know, whether or not that would

780
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,090
another question, but they're

781
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,920
And as far as, as far as the

782
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:54,810
why I think artificial

783
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,230
you know, considered to be an

784
00:49:58,230 --> 00:50:03,270
the US you know, and They're

785
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:05,970
of information, that's a lot of

786
00:50:05,970 --> 00:50:08,910
through all of that and assign

787
00:50:08,910 --> 00:50:13,230
efficiency. So you need to apply

788
00:50:13,230 --> 00:50:17,430
algorithm or an artificial

789
00:50:17,460 --> 00:50:21,870
what you're looking for, or to

790
00:50:21,870 --> 00:50:26,220
might, you might be looking for.

791
00:50:26,220 --> 00:50:30,690
Patriot Act, and the NSA goes

792
00:50:30,690 --> 00:50:35,940
their policies were to have a

793
00:50:35,940 --> 00:50:39,480
know, depersonalized information

794
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,810
and look through it. Because a

795
00:50:42,810 --> 00:50:46,860
through the information to find

796
00:50:46,860 --> 00:50:50,760
cause to fill it further. But

797
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,630
artificial intelligence do that,

798
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:58,530
essentially, what is what at

799
00:50:58,530 --> 00:51:02,430
the probable outcome is that

800
00:51:02,430 --> 00:51:08,190
positives, many more flags, and

801
00:51:08,190 --> 00:51:12,450
cause to look into people even

802
00:51:12,450 --> 00:51:16,500
up to the fullest extent, then

803
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:20,040
going to be many more patterns,

804
00:51:20,070 --> 00:51:24,390
patterns. What is that? Who's

805
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:27,120
intelligence, intelligence

806
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,060
consider to be a pattern of, you

807
00:51:31,260 --> 00:51:35,190
anything that would warrant

808
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:39,810
and something that I read

809
00:51:39,870 --> 00:51:42,510
Gabriel and the artificial

810
00:51:42,510 --> 00:51:45,270
software that's being applied

811
00:51:45,630 --> 00:51:50,820
and sound. So it's certainly in

812
00:51:50,820 --> 00:51:54,330
something that is possible,

813
00:51:54,330 --> 00:51:56,940
readable format, in text or

814
00:51:57,870 --> 00:51:59,910
Well, thanks for that really

815
00:51:59,910 --> 00:52:03,210
really complex issues and how it

816
00:52:03,210 --> 00:52:05,610
a lot of what you know, we're

817
00:52:05,610 --> 00:52:08,490
pay a lot more attention to the

818
00:52:08,490 --> 00:52:10,800
people who were opposed to stuff

819
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:15,450
Revolution, and its encroachment

820
00:52:15,450 --> 00:52:18,540
and really society in general,

821
00:52:18,540 --> 00:52:21,810
trying to get a huge foot in the

822
00:52:21,810 --> 00:52:24,810
would argue, and I actually have

823
00:52:24,810 --> 00:52:27,810
interviews I've done over the

824
00:52:27,810 --> 00:52:31,080
the FDA right now explicitly for

825
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,020
in your piece, he's there to

826
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,610
from this for IR paradigm for

827
00:52:38,610 --> 00:52:41,160
of in through the healthcare

828
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,590
point man for that. So I think

829
00:52:43,590 --> 00:52:46,500
more scrutiny. And that's why I

830
00:52:46,500 --> 00:52:49,590
about him. And very happy to

831
00:52:49,860 --> 00:52:53,280
him. And these, you know, more

832
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,860
podcast. So thanks so much for

833
00:52:55,860 --> 00:52:58,590
people follow your work, and

834
00:52:59,070 --> 00:53:03,240
So you can follow it on the

835
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:07,230
which is Te L A

836
00:53:07,230 --> 00:53:11,040
where most stuff is. I also post

837
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:18,120
which is James journeys blog

838
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,270
contributes, and stuff like

839
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:25,260
main two sources, you can

840
00:53:26,460 --> 00:53:30,600
And, and you can follow me on

841
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:33,060
If you just search she'll find

842
00:53:34,500 --> 00:53:36,330
All right, super. Well,

843
00:53:36,330 --> 00:53:39,480
coming on. Really appreciate

844
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,000
issues. And I'm looking forward

845
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,970
here in the future. And thanks

846
00:53:44,970 --> 00:53:49,620
this podcast, and hopefully some

847
00:53:49,620 --> 00:53:52,080
time to look into some of these

848
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,030
they really, you know, as I

849
00:53:54,030 --> 00:53:57,570
there is a extreme lack of

850
00:53:57,570 --> 00:54:00,210
lift, but a lot of the issues we

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you all as well. So thanks so

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catch you on the next episode.