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Thank you, Andy. It's an
excited to talk about all these
Well, there is definitely no
about. Here, that's for sure.
get into. With that being said,
mainstream and academic articles
crypto colonialism, or rather
entrench and deepen Neo
etc. So a lot of these articles.
show notes is the article
crypto colonialism which was
patterns journal. Another
which is from Vice a publication
this article did bring up some
conflated things they probably
this article is entitled crypto
vulnerable people in the world
read a quick excerpt here. So
partnership with an Australian
eyebrow raising solution for
Island at this specific ocean, I
relief payment system that runs
cryptocurrencies, so that when
can still pay for essentials.
as the disaster event happened,
explained Pete howelsen, a
University, who studies
an interview, when the situation
can be shut down, but it's not
control the system. It's just
when the disaster is over, and
sovereignty. Continuing on, it
blockchain intervention in
and charity and aid work toward
belief that every social problem
programs based on blockchain and
organizations and aid agencies
dollars to Bitcoin will enable a
charity system. But along with
surveillance and political
sovereignty and create resource
recipients. So I'll stop there.
conflate, you know, this Oxfam
like the absolutely horrible and
program of the World Food
conflate those with a variety of
related projects. And there's
cryptocurrencies and Bitcoin. So
conflation is wrong? And why?
people who see crypto Bitcoin
central bank control, enabling
currently being pursued by
Yeah, phenomenal question.
and the extended cryptocurrency
terms of like, you know, what,
as, as tools, like I think
tool in the right hands and used
perverted away from its actual
property. And a lot of these
decentralized in any way. So,
You know, because it's, it's,
know, by node runners that the
cheap, it's internet and
know, maybe a few 100 gigabytes
minimal computation, whereas you
Aetherium. And, and, you know, I
and some of these other ones
bigger you know, entrance fee
system. Whereas Bitcoin, you can
sync a node on on like an old,
there's a huge separation, I
know, what the Bitcoin
actually, you know,
the world. Really, a lot of
currencies are really kind of
bastardization of what Satoshi
to not, you know, neuter the
like Bitcoin does, but rather,
right, you know, Blockchain is,
any other technology can be used
wonderful freedom tech, you
Bitcoin, but then you look at
chains, and it's like, they're
dollars, basically, in the form
creating, you know, a completely
transfer of Yeah, of like, state
Surveillance probably too,
it's a publicly available
mean, surely we're a lot of this
100% Yeah, I mean, Bitcoin,
it's a transparency technology.
mistake it for a privacy
some of its original use cases,
of a black market money. You
its first happening cycle when
you know, 50% of all Bitcoin
four years. And so we're seeing
fast money, you want to spend it
know, reduces this issuance. So
for drugs, a lot of people using
horrible things as well. I'm
a lot of the things that I'm
Yeah, but so it's actually and,
I mean, no, no, no currency uses
the dollar. It's not even close.
had Elizabeth Warren come out
comparison or or something about
the fentanyl market. Which is
don't go after the
after the Sacklers. Or
cause the crisis. Yeah,
of fentanyl from, you know, like
coming into into our borders. We
on. Blockchain is ridiculous. So
there's a false you know,
alternative currencies that are
privileged few that are around
like if it's a staking system or
issuance of currency. You know,
banking, basically with much
surveil, and to control and to
know, unsanctioned transactions,
or any of these privacy
other changes allow that to
a huge false connection there.
question was remind me again,
how might some people who
as a means of escaping central
they be enabling the same kind
pursued by central banks? And,
Totally. So yeah, Bitcoin is
it's a permissionless database.
the way that you like make a
that can be, you know, publicly
modified. There's actually no
And publicly, within Bitcoin,
cryptography. So everything is
there, it's in the world. And
itself, you know, every 10
few megabyte blocks that gets
contain any information that
Obviously, generally, these are
innately anything on Bitcoin is
it requires a fee to get in the
database. And now we have people
group. Again, not to try to burn
but there's a very popular group
lightning labs, they were one of
know, propagators, I guess, of
Network, which is this scaling
Bitcoin that basically allows
EXO, which is an unspent
kind of like the denominations
so they've been working on this
That was called Tarot. And now
protocol, because they got sued
else's name. But what basically
able to imbue other assets in
layer. And the main one that
course, is Petro dollars or
kind of whole general sort of
you know, violently disagree
cheer it on of how, you know,
Michael sailor was quoted at
saying, you know, let's not be
system. You know, let's adopt
lightning, you know, via this,
going to be like $10 trillion
all gonna make a bunch of money
and, you know, this is gonna be
you know, the Global South,
it's this virtue signaling thing
ability to use Bitcoin, and then
part of it. And it's like, are
point of Bitcoin here to
on faster rails increase the
And in my opinion, obviously,
of Bitcoin is to neuter the
and, and to print money. And to
now Bitcoiners, you know, at the
best paid people that the
to this, this, you know, this
literally putting dollars on the
so really quick, though,
bitcoin, supposed to be
also banks in general?
Um, well, that's kind of a
confusion within this space as
actual blockchain like Bitcoin
is a pretty lossy technology.
very expensive, you know, to to
growing database that has a
that can be, you know, in a in a
so. So there's actually
many People Bitcoin can serve on
mathematical limitations to how
you know, self custody Bitcoin,
we got 8 billion people or
able to have 8 billion UTX O's.
and scaling solutions that work
of those things will end up kind
And how Finney who is, you know,
was the first person to receive
of considered, you know, very
Satoshi team that created
quotes at the very beginning of
earlier saying that, you know, I
Bitcoin back banks. And, and I
misunderstanding is that it's
the dollar unnecessarily as a
replace US Treasuries, as this
reserve asset, like the dollar
currency of the world, or it's
world. It's really US
replace that. And we can still
still an important part of being
you can't create a lot of these
and some credit and debt
know, trust. And I think people
of replace all human trust. And
necessarily possible. So like,
solutions where there are
hopefully, for a very short
the ability for someone to be
away, you know, fully
kind of the system that we have
banking, it's ridiculous,
tried to do a bank, that would
a narrow Bank, which, you know,
And the Federal Reserve didn't
because if one bank went narrow,
fractional reserve bank in the
will be trust, there will be
they can be created by
by you know, Freedom forward,
know, okay not use this as a way
economics, your economic
these mints that are used blind
very private. And, and we can
the Federal Reserve, and the
fund all of these crazy projects
anytime it comes up, oh, shit,
they can just issue more debt
across the world, to Japan, to
kind of the three biggest ones.
destroys the bank as a general
limits.
I didn't, I didn't mean kill
what you can, like, in theory,
paying people in something, you
right, totally. And then
it doesn't rely on any
whereas if you're, if you're
Venmo, or whatever, or Google
you're entirely up to the whim
whereas in Bitcoin Yeah, I mean,
that you can send trustless
environment. And they will be
that is the value prop of
definitely messes with the
Unless, you know, Bitcoiners all
social consensus that, no, we
base layer, we need to support
a USD see these huge stable coin
$80 billion. They're now coming
rates are so high now. They're
mean, it's ridiculous. You know,
quarter percent on on billions
they're holding. And now they're
they're doing other things
money. And so this group, yeah,
influential in the Bitcoin
connected to a lot of kind of
happened, you know, there was a
eight years ago or so that it
200,000 Bitcoin were stolen. And
the tether issuance. It's all
know, of course they then did,
to kind of make up the last that
security and sold a bunch of it
the person that hacked the
Google Drive the keys in a
like Two Gen Z kids. This this
Khan who was like this, like,
totally ridiculous, all this
all the Bitcoin in her, you
Google Doc. And so of course,
has all that Bitcoin. And these
you know, issuing dollars,
ideas of putting dollars on the
incredibly influential, just
the spoken space of Bitcoin, you
day, there's big influencers,
by, you know, the stable coin,
it. I mean, there's a lot of
you know, in the space that, you
everybody's a bad person or
of those people. But also, you
here, of dollar rising Bitcoin
know, the biggest us, you know,
organization in the world is the
continue to buy debt and do this
we're doing, yeah, it's, it's
against the, you know, like,
why are we doing this?
Well, if your dollar rising
being something that, you know,
you're giving the Federal
continue to have the power it
problems of that was supposed to
creation. Right. To Yeah, it
So absolutely, I mean, I
there's a good thread that, you
very likely, you know, directly
know, in in the first block,
article that's like the
second bailout for the banks.
you know, it was announced
launched at the start of Oh,
think a lot of people do
perhaps Bitcoin, you know, was
government or the US
a neutral base asset for the
debasement that was coming via
when, you know, all these CDOs
imploded in the great financial
proposed this theory that the
dollar, which is an analogue to
that, you know, when Nixon did
the Nixon shock, took us off the
we immediately, you know,
and started setting up basically
and outs of petrol and oil as a
industrializing nations, but
money. We want credit expansion,
buyer to be able to buy up our
on the ins and outs of, you
to buy this energy commodity,
industrialize, you got to buy
all day, and we know we have a
And now you have the powers
world are right pushing us that
new financial system. Right, but
and so where do you see those
would they reap from this
Yeah, totally. I mean, to
same mechanism. You know, you
standard to be tied to energy,
to source you don't want it to
literally you can go print the
want it to be something that if
you know, if there's a cost it's
to extract that energy
standards are the gold standard
you still have to get the gold
requires energy. Right? Exactly.
And so bitcoin is an energy
its issuance requires a
be able to submit enough
know, have a chance of winning
lottery every 10 minutes to see
block and get the rewards. And
exact same mechanism over the
where we've, and I say we
nothing to do with it, I want
know, America has basically set
outs of Bitcoin purchasing and
over 95 I think it's even it's
Bitcoin pairs, and trades and
denominated, you know, tokens,
US dollars, or these, like,
about? And, I mean, literally,
mean, it's like tethering itself
create, the main difference with
supply, and its issuance is
zero, and then eventually
zero. You know, in the after the
epoch, after the 32nd happening,
produced that will be around
a cap supply on the actual
it's demand it's very demand
super, super high, and you're on
four axes, you know, you can
people to the mind, to mind
more, because, you know, you can
out because it's worth more me
in our backyard and selling, you
because it's worth a bajillion
see, you know, the supply will
high, there's so much more
Bitcoin, it doesn't do that, it
are trying to find the next
produce the same amount of
unique, you know, we've never
capped, you know, supply, I
that can ever be produced that's
state change of money in a very
that's, that's a phenomenal
general. And that's why I am so
understand that, you know, hey,
we use this moment, and we seize
basically, this kind of like
economy of the world, you know,
significant increase of wealth?
the things that we're going to,
been in Bitcoin for a while,
like, what are we doing here?
and let it be completely
let the global south just get,
and all these stupid, you know,
whole thing of like banking the
just charging them a fee to use
have counterparty risk? You
that hold paper for these stable
last six months? And you know,
virtue service to the global
you know, we've created a
by US banks. I mean, it's a
Yeah, that's my stop, for
about what you just said, this
unbanked and I know that at the
you and I both spoke s, there
good thing, banking the unbanked
concerns me, because it's what
and the European Central Bank
Reserve, say that exact same
talking about is, you know, how
enabling those same actors to
monetary policy and, you know,
predatory behavior specifically
mean, it seems like a total mess
that are looking to build
right, this push to centralize
would be this whole situation
think is likely to win out then
essentially a cultural rift in
guess, been making compromises
seeing it is all bad and needing
the big theme of my work is that
be thrown out. Yeah, yeah.
100%, which is why I'm so glad
the space because I think we
honestly. And truthfully. And
good people that work in all
blah, blah, blah. Sure, of
like it's a value judgment.
don't realize maybe what they're
from the whole ethos of the, you
all of this.
We've gotten. So we've
think, the the cypherpunks. And
said earlier that it's possible
like US intelligence. And I
possibility that absolutely
course. And I have a whole
John Nash, which, which
of Santa Monica and he was
encryption and all this, and
connection there. But I think
the Cypherpunk, you know,
included how Finney and Zabo you
know, they're basically, you
know, coders, I think, a lot of
back and read a lot of that
is in the right place. And I
Bitcoin, in my first
like, 2014. And, you know, I
was something that like, could
saw it as a medium of exchange
couple years later, but I think
significantly in the last few
institutions arrive. You know,
go from being, you know,
of Bitcoin into being this like
literally dominating the
dollarization of Ethereum has
And obviously, JP Morgan, you
From the very beginning, they
infrastructure and Ethereum. And
that the actual native asset,
in stable coins than actually in
really quick, I just want to
Dimon who helped build Citigroup
basically own, they do own the
dominant force on the Federal
also dominate the central bank
Sorry, continue.
Yeah, no, absolutely. I
American banks are, you know, a
what I'm getting at where it's
arrived, you know, they really
first broke, you know, 10k, and
we saw these institutions show
of talking shit, you know, at
pushing it down, and now they're
Morgan has like, jpm coin or
you know, this huge investment
Aetherium. So, I think the US
know, it has a lot of choices to
basically try to parasitically
And I think that the Bitcoiners
the social information more, if
what's actually happening here,
again, good people there, but,
phrases is Bitcoin eyes, the
about adding, you know, the
it's kind of really the
rising Bitcoin, quite literally.
these bankers, and you brought
like, you know, Elizabeth Stark
consultation for the World
August, in collaboration with
called the future the future of
And it's she's actually listed
like lightning labs, I don't
the time the lightning white
Lightning Network hadn't even
blockchain, or rather some big
seg wit that allowed the ability
that didn't actually go live
years before lightning was even,
workable stage. And now we're
icebreaker came out of the BIS
the naugus Bank and the Bank of
and obviously, the BIS and they
March of this year. And it's
use domestic you know, retail
exact same channel mechanism and
essential part of how the
things called HDL C's, I don't
technical weeds, but literally,
of consultation, you know, from
systems. And now years later,
systems being being generated
same probabilistic time locked
these payment channels to enable
is right out of the BIS. And so,
collaboration of banker of
people in the world with like,
Bitcoin thought leaders, and
what are we doing here? Not to
but like, what are we doing
Panopticon here? Are we trying
Well, it's sort of reminds
surveillance Valley, he has a
Tor, I guess, Roger? Line,
collaborating, the people that
you know, so I guess he was,
you know, was funded by
remember,
it might have been like,
like that. I can't, I can't
because I read it, you know,
have so much space in my brain.
basically like, letting the Feds
vulnerability in Tor so they
of stuff. And this is a guy that
funk, whatever, you know. Yeah.
acting like a fed.
Exactly. And now, we have to
like, like, counter dissonance
It's huge. And it's, it's
seeing so much of it, whether
hilarious to me that the Noam
because it's like, you know, I
know, I actually literally serve
oh, it's a cookbook, apparently
like, how do
people like Elon Musk and
for example, you know, being
because I'm a free speech
freedom of speech is not freedom
know, it's already taken the
down more posts for the
bought it and whatever. But he
guess, like two faced persona,
relations produced face where
establishment, yada, yada, yada.
side, he couldn't be more of an
100% I feel Yeah, thing built by
exactly military intelligence
everything app, which is going
and be a huge dominant force in
And, and no, and, you know, the
are like, Oh, this is, you know,
promoting free speech and
saying that, why are you
show the opposite? And it seems
like within the Bitcoin space,
you know, was viewed as being
few years ago. And, you know, it
cultural war within Bitcoin
fall victim to the same stuff or
Central Bank tyranny.
Yeah, I mean, even like Jack
very big Bitcoin hero. And, you
money recently into scaling
noster this kind of Twitter sort
this guy ran this fucking spy
It's like, what are we, what are
yeah, the musk stuff is kind of
especially like, post, you know,
this kind of, like, strange
like, people that were, you
during, you know, during all
the science is unequivocal, you
be invested on cure vac and
vaccine he showed for exactly
like Tesla was literally
kind of coming out as this like
free press. You know, basically
And it's something that I've
you know, as someone who kind of
years and you know, dealing with
that You know, by not choosing
you know what I had to kind of
know, like the majority of the
people that like were
very, you know, for it, when it
we're kind of seeing this sort
know, this kind of controlled
at even like the political
I mean, people are literally
Insane, absolutely embarrassing.
God. But I mean, he
So he's exactly. publicly run
You would be the only
elected president would have
know, like, yeah, no,
Okay. Actually, as I said
actually, that's completely not
was more true. But um, but yeah,
yeah, he's building this x.com
like WeChat, USA. He controls
on WeChat are major
they're very financially
important.
Seems very important. And
we're kind of cheering you know,
kill switches. Start laying. guy
have, you know,
Michael Hastings, anyone
I mean, I have a little
little, like, fun kind of
literally walk down the street
charging ports and stuff, you
walking around. And again, I
Eevee in this way. Like, I think
That's, that's really cool and
that are being built the
colonialism, of, you know, going
resources. And then, you know,
stable coins that are powered on
just like that, like, I'm sorry,
So you want to, you know,
like, Look at what he's
is one of the scariest
itself and your children. Yeah,
really glad we did that. And,
absurd. And, and this control,
everywhere. I mean, like, I
like, the Dalai Lama was paid
from like, the late 50s into
well, that's how you get like a
know, it's like, you know, same
like, 911 Truth and invading.
was like, Oh, well, we can't You
can't this and it's just like,
kinda like spiritual. You know,
our time. And it's like, we've
so many times, whether it's like
being co opted by the CIA with
culture, Shin, bah, bah, bah,
legitimate human. My point here
be co opted in a very short
enslavement or degenerate, or
real beautiful, tangible thing
love or whatever, you know,
into kind of what, you know,
stuff, and then kind of being
I look at those and the reason
talk about them is because it's
Bitcoin. Bitcoin is a state
I can validate my own
without any single person in the
intermediary, which is, which is
incredible. But now we have
it's like, it's ridiculous to
consider as powerful and as
just left alone. It's like, no,
can to neuter this technology,
worst, and at best co opted in a
dollars life and preserves the,
the Empire of America, you know,
Well, let's talk about some
with the US government as it
everyone knows there's this big
about you know, that with stable
purpose of Bitcoin, you know,
Bitcoin Conference, was the
national security threat, but
because as we've been talking
quote unquote, actors that are
would those, you know,
are very close to the
money in Bitcoin if it's
regulatory Hammer of some
very interested probably those
like there was this article in
called why the crypto world
crackdown. And it talks about
make Bitcoin the regulatory
Bitcoin you know, worth it. And,
about this effort by the World
against cybercrime. Westpac,
DOJ and as you mentioned
amount of bitcoin that they have
essentially a Bitcoin whale that
right. And they in Westpac,
part of, they say that Bitcoin
Bitcoin transactions to take
or increased financial privacy
that has to be eliminated. But
guess I'm telling would be
down by these guys. The value of
be devalued to stop, quote,
cybercrime. So there's a bunch
there, right. And I personally
aren't wise to that. And the
sort of privacy enhancing
aren't exclusive to Bitcoin,
example. I mean, Bill Barr, on
the total Warpath, against
backdoor for the the DOJ and the
encrypted. You know, not
messaging and stuff like that,
effort to secure complete
at the same time the same actors
everyone online for everything.
really disturbing. And so, I
you know, this war going on
that I guess have maybe at some
and are going to let Bitcoin be
are people like yourself, who
increased centralized control,
for those purposes are about or,
criminalize that. Is there
As it relates to that?
Yeah, I mean, I think just
I think there are so many ways
very significant way and enrich
Bitcoin holders, and it actually
shitty for everybody that's ever
issue with the dollar system is
it is obfuscated, like we don't
changes are made, we aren't
meetings that they vote on, you
issuance, or any of these
of people I think, are just
economic realities of Bitcoin
they're just at all costs, they
criminality of it is really
they're sort of self admitting
while also trying to downplay
and it's it's not important, and
but they're also like, putting
that it's like very powerful and
traffickers and cybercrime, and
they're kind of like, I don't
dialectics are here. It seems
attention to both sides of of
haven't really thought too much
of Bitcoin, because I don't
think it's too helpful for the
to, you know, to sort of
ways, and really control the ins
a lot of control over the actual
subsidize mining. And they're
getting some OFAC compliance
and transaction construction,
subsidize with dollars, which of
this happen a bunch of times
operations, these mining
companies that have mined 1000s
they filed chapter 11 You go to
imploded, you know, 199% And
And it's like, Well, where did
how did that How did that even
or Aluna like some of these,
you know, very likely government
participated in businesses. And
comes, it's like, there's no
well, where's this Bitcoin all
of it, you can see a lot of it
like 30,000, Bitcoin or market
imploded, which was an
was something that, you know,
triggered by a knowing party. So
for CO option on the ins and
you know, sort of, you know, the
crushing tax demand, it's like,
capital gains tax rates go up,
after using this KYC, this know,
they've control the onramps,
again, it's an open ledger, they
everything, I can go look at,
wallets, and see where money's
exchanges, look at the lunar
stuff, you can kind of piece it
there's so much, you know, ripe
like chain analysis, and these
know, adversaries on the network
together, you know, so much,
your economic activity, if you
acknowledgement of a Bitcoin
do you do that, you know, you
Bitcoin payments to Twitter for
you get people, you know, doing
so many ways you can kind of
expose their UTX O's or their
public way. People tweet about
conferences, take pictures, they
much they have a talk about a
kind of, yeah, like, I think
very clearly the powers that be
There's a lot of public speakers
not good faith actors. But I
silent. And they're kind of just
themselves in the foot all over
that we've already won, and this
private. And this is a big issue
people in the Bitcoin space
surveillance, like, you know,
that everything on Bitcoin or
is private. And it's just simply
adversary in this open topology
nodes and can really get a very
you have, and what you're
locked in a lightning channel.
metadata rules, everything
it's just, we know, Vault seven,
on us, we know that they have
networks,
and they can frame any
attack. And absolutely, well,
absolutely. And also, you
back to some of the lockdown
people literally were getting
security numbers to, you know,
health organizations, or people
it's like, okay, now all these
have DNA data associated with
now we have you on Twitter,
or posting a receipt of you
can triangulate that stuff so
There's so much like, it's such
though we've matured a lot in
years. But there's so much young
implications, the future
you shouldn't, you know, you
stack this amount I did this,
could be a life changing amount
timestamps of yourself saying
think that there's just so much,
picked that that I think a lot
to fruition for a few years. But
going to be really surprised at
leaked. Probably myself
know, I mean,
yeah, well, I wasn't saying
guess what I was trying to say
they're trying to criminalize
What they're trying to
afford Bitcoin transactions
financial anonymity? Yeah,
allowed to exist, but really
dollar paradigm that you're
really a Bitcoin digital dollar
dollars going,
right? Yeah. 100% No, and I
kind of what I was trying to say
going to allow Bitcoin to exist,
know, you're gonna have to
I mean, they're already places
exchanges that require a live
turning your, your, you know,
phone, and taking a 3d, you
to be able to withdraw your
It's just, you know, kind of
of the huge, huge, huge
to continue to happen. I mean,
crazier as they are getting more
that's kind of the reality of
the government can't pay for
uphold the debt of the dollar
That's sort of a point of no
as much capital gains taxes as
some crazy shit, I think.
Yeah, well, it's really
you had the FBI, I think they
eight crypto exchanges, they
Customer stuff enough. They were
like giving, giving their users
exchanging crypto for for other
they're already going after the
this. And you know, living in
crypto here, but the only crypto
right to like, upload your face,
there is a big push for all of
definitely unsettling to say the
think you someone you know,
have, if bitcoin is sort of
continue to hold and use it?
Yeah, I would. Because I
you know, what it offers is a
even if it's completely
and the on ramps and off ramps,
basically all the actors were
that the it is a disinflationary
a deflationary monetary policy
it is entirely used, which is a
Bitcoin is that it is used as a
banks, and that the actual price
transaction priced in Bitcoin is
know, a day's wage of minimum
possible that we may just price
citizens of being able to
because of the monetization of
is it still limits the the
pardoning special privilege from
the ins and outs, even if
rising the dollar or dollar
it's still limits their ability
ability between central banks to
reserves, right, it's, it's
even if it is very co opted, and
dollarized it still is an
still support. I would probably
in the Bitcoin space, I probably
other kinds of privacy tools and
alternative currencies. I don't
value and any other
Bitcoin, I really, truly believe
be like less excited about it.
think that thesis is still
change and it is a net good for
again, it's a tool and tools can
they can be used to free people.
go to that. And I'm obviously
you're trying to get the Bitcoin
and realize that it's actually
likely, it's about 5050 right
outcome. I really think that and
well, I think it's worth
Personally, I agree is, you
It's Wait,
why? Why would you want to
invested a lot of time and money
system? And then, you know, then
supporting that slavery system
time and money you put into it,
Yeah, no, true. Yeah, it's
to an end. And without that, and
it's not just to make a bunch of
care. That's kind of happened to
unfulfilling, and I don't really
our kids, kids. And, you know,
don't even really intend to
at all, other than to build
know, magazines and printing
studio equipment and all the
want to build. You know, yeah,
the human race. And I think
exceptionally long time. They've
perverted our you know, they
connect with with each other in
And Bitcoin can, like exacerbate
really limit all that. So yeah,
burn the bridges, why would I
people anyway? And, yeah, it's
important that we get this
within, you know, the, there's
even left to be issued, you
Bitcoin is owned and held by
distributed, it's not an
rely on yield. Or rely on
have to spend it if you want to,
which is great. So we're in this
know, 20 years of Bitcoin, where
Bitcoin will be issued. And
where we actually can make
push back on the counter
dollarization and not just
have these absolute freaks
know, we actually have an
get a shot at the beasts neck
entirely on us. And I really
think there are enough really
have the time and the talent to
situations. And to deal with
have some incredible stuff
was this invention by David
had this paper about using blind
perfect privacy are entirely
And now we can use Bitcoin to
these mints. And we can whip
you know, that we can create our
mints, you know, at a whim, and
decentralized Whack a Mole where
identified that this person is a
state. Well, you can whack them,
pop up when you do that. And
what we have to do. We have to
realize that, you know, we have
And we need to spend our money
mouth is, or whatever that
about it while we still have a
continue to let Bitcoin be
given up our one chance and not
chance, we've extended the life
that's why I've been Yeah,
dollar thing, because and I
we've seen, you know, stablecoin
them tweet out about how Israeli
me up. And you know, this guy
found, you know, drowned in the
his clothes on, you know, a few
his creation voted as a
billion dollars into Coinbase of
wonderful Julian Assange piece
conspiracies governance, which
that, you know, you're in this
talks about sort of identifying
you do it is you just put pins
you're kind of looking at, and
attach all the points and you
necessarily know how they're
this kind of map that you've
Bitcoin space right now out and
Galeon dialectics of what we're
this huge push towards KYC
networks and in exchanges, and
people, like these, they're
exchanges and stable coins. And,
ridiculous. So, yeah, that was a
no, I think it was, I think
quick, I just want to say, you
you already know, this mark, I
on Bitcoin, because I don't
use my platform to tell people
think that's a really personal
the same time, you know, I do
Bitcoiners, like yourself,
some sort of parallel system. So
we're being herded into? And
like that is necessary. So
not a lot, but I mean, you know,
on you know, anyone involved in
inherently implicit, and
know, I know people, you know,
sort of decentralized tech,
on some sort of D Googled
continue using a smartphone or
apple and Windows operating
all of that. But it's, you know,
we're going to be faced with
about how much we enable the
personally, you know, if bitcoin
Central Bank's I don't really
mean, I understand why you're
technology and how you feel
that's within it, but you know,
use those on an off ramps
same kind of behavior that
you know, I would just probably
would just sit there, you know,
off ramps. Right.
So yeah, I agree with you, I
when, you know, we, you know,
who I think is very, very smart
morning's beauty on who is he
idea is, you know, he has this
again, ethical is obviously a
people to do bullshit all the
there are alternatives, there
There are exchanges that don't
peer to peer exchanges, go to
miner, give them cash, buy
there's a lot of alternative
the, the, the, you know, kind of
of Bitcoin. And those are the
need to reject any of the
using a system that supports
a system that is buying
doing? And so I don't use any of
converted a lot of my thinking
that, you know, as like, as I
going on, and it's like, ya
not, like, promote these
you know, getting the greatest
world. And so yeah, I agree with
don't want to imagine a world
sometimes it's hard for me to
it did happen, because I'm so so
sure that that doesn't happen.
there's an opposite. There's
future where I think that, you
failed. Its its its mission of
power. It is possible, at least
that could happen in our
definitely think so that no
is a multi 100 year experiment,
Something like that. It doesn't
don't see any of that shit going
should say. But I think
money is so important that it is
even if it's completely
ways until the state power can
hope that's not naive of me but
it is exceptionally important
shit. It's an open ledger and
Ron, but, you know, some of the
entire space are some of the
there's there's a whole bunch of
politicians jumping out now and
you know, it's becoming one of
And you know, a bunch of bad
Bitcoin has to be for enemies.
be for friends, you know, and we
that ability for anyone to be
anyone is becomes a gatekeeper
transaction on Bitcoin, the
unfortunately, we sort of have
central banks are going to be
is gonna be able to use this and
a bunch of his money in Bitcoin.
likelihood that, you know, the
of blackmail group was like
a great conspiracy that, you
power mod on on Reddit, and was
other things under this user
thing she posted about, or this
stopped posting the day that she
since. And it was the number one
that day, posted about Bitcoin,
they posted about so you know,
with Bitcoin to a lot of shitty
unfortunately, an endorsement in
powerful this technology is. We
wake up and don't let it just,
corrupted.
Well, on that last point,
for regulating Bitcoin in the
privacy is to stop money
stuff. But of course, these guys
very big into money laundering.
the ones using it for that more
just,
I mean, Jamie Dimon or JP
criminality of Bitcoin is
caught like with like, you know,
on their, on their, you know,
shipping container, you know,
they're literally banking, sex
traffickers. And then obviously
other ridiculous things they're
ridiculous for literally literal
supporters and enablers to come
technology that enables
Sure, of course it does. But
there's probably no one more
and safety of the US dollar,
know, I mean, like, he really
of ways. And so yeah, I think
also having, you know, an
this weird kind of endorsement
obviously, when compared to the
right,
so we've talked a lot about
stable coins a lot. So I want to
Because in the course of our
explained a lot about Bitcoin
terms are maybe for people that
about it. But maybe people know
coins. So why don't you if
know, sort of what stable coins
problematic. And then I want to
stuff tied up with stable coins.
Yeah, totally, totally. I
Hole is really intense, because
worst of, of, of all the things
system, with like, ridiculous
a bunch of issues that we have.
short, a stable coin. You know,
ridiculous. There's nothing
reason why they're called stable
and again, this is sort of, you
as opposed to Bitcoin, which is
of its value in a year and yada
true. But over long timeframes,
asset ever. So it was they were
know, directly, you know,
as a way to give dollar access.
might have heard of the Euro
was a system of dollars that
exchanged entirely outside of
were kind of set up with this
Interbank overnight rate. There
Europe, I think like 12 or 11
which was JP Morgan, of course.
being able to control this
really out of the purview of the
of the reasons why you raise
raised interest rates so much as
can think of it as the higher
interest there is in being in
basically bribing you with yield
value in our system and buy our
know, started jacking up
of combat this offshore dollar
purview of the Fed. And so
you know, the technological
market which allowed but this
entities potentially that are
coalition are kind of like the
Oh, definitely. Yeah,
I mean, of course, and
reason why all these you know,
providers are all you know, kind
Bermuda Triangle Bahamas Island
see so much of you know, this
yeah, yeah, yeah. Like like the
state thing and they live on all
know, kind of, you know, the law
maritime Admiralty bullshit. And
own laws island by island. I'm
just ridiculousness going on
yeah, that's why we see SPF, you
Bahamas, the first cbdc in the
Bahamas, the sand dollar, which
reserve currency, which is
dollar anyway, so the first US
Bahamas. So yeah, we're seeing
again, long and short. It's it's
representation of $1 that is
theoretically, for paper money,
in a bank account, via the
are tether, which again, is that
know, they were connected with
maybe, in my opinion, we'll
Fellas
say that, yeah. also
another huge affinity scam that
all time. That was about 190
bitcoins stolen, you know, with
this, like alternative, you
you know, same bullshit as
all these things. And, you know,
all, you know, they were banked
Bahamas, they got a tiny slap on
520 $5 million, or something was
know, billions and billions. So,
the system and this technology
washed and sort of virtue
systemically important to the
allowing, you know, third world
Indonesia, and Africa, and, you
Asian sees, and it's kind of
people to Bitcoin, because it's
you know, like, Venezuelan
Argentinian inflation is so
such a beautiful thing for them
really wish these people had
a better technological tool than
become this totally ridiculous
it's seen as both an alternative
because it's not government
of people that are like, only
able to issue money and Bitcoin
coins are, it's like, well,
yeah, so we're still depends
on how people view money, I
that distinction.
Yeah, totally, totally. And
Cambrian explosion of quote,
in the stable coin space.
opinion with the Facebook's
making a basket of currencies
know, through Facebook, Facebook
like not a one to one stable
you could exchange it for $1.
basket of currencies, I'm sure
probably the pound, and then
when that came out, you know,
government officials kind of
is gonna threaten the dollar,
feign this, like, you know,
with, with Facebook pushing this
was going to undermine the
was going to dollarized the
put billions of people onto the
China actually realize this, and
knee jerk reaction to the Libra
they launched their cbdc Like
know, announcement, the Libra
know, changed names became DM
shuttered. That guy that was
These now runs light Spark,
you know, program, we're seeing
and dollar people kind of
lightning space, all of a sudden
stable coins, believe it or not.
I know. And keep burning
technology that is supposed to
stability. And this idea of, you
in direct opposition to Bitcoin,
it's a bunch of bullshit. I
issuance, you're you're relying
service provider to not take
printer that you've given them.
to print tokens. And they're
monitored in any sort of
sort of pushed off shore
now being in kind of this
actually even know literally,
moment. But they're out of the
legally, anyway. But yeah, it's
affinity scam to create consent
and to create this kind of
technologists and freedom
supporting the dollarization of
they're doing is making the
select few bankers and stable
hurting the world and really
super high monetary velocity,
exchanged incredibly quickly.
technically, in that if you just
know, you you can go spend them
this, but they rely on you
Aetherium rails, they rely on
of these rails have these just
banker constructed alternative
is going up to just the worst
under this. This guise, as, you
humanitarian effort, and it's
across the world is not
Well, it's even it's even
problematic humanitarian aspect
stablecoin level, right? Like,
Cardano and some of these
under the guise of, you know,
schoolchildren, it's not exactly
really quick before I get there,
things so for people that don't
I think oh, there's a lot of
it. And then there's you know,
news had an interesting
him including Epstein
creepy pedo stuff definitely
you're not aware, but he
also former Disney actor was
just two Yes, yeah,
yeah. So Epstein stuff more
definitely some weird stuff
I think he stepped away
with tether several years ago.
reserves are held at Deltec a
also well known for holding a
their shady hast accounts. And
shallow pain, very involved in
part of the FTX stuff that Ed
on a limited hangout that I'd
want more information on that,
rural nothing bank basically in
Moonstone bank, and it teamed up
Bahamian original cbdc, that you
weird stuff definitely going on
Federal Reserve, which somehow
And when it shouldn't, it does
going on there for sure. So and
have a report out on that soon
least in the next couple of
of going over its history before
Rockefeller centric, tied up
Rockefeller ran Chase Manhattan
state, quote, unquote, that's
to JP Morgan Chase. And
part of that and even has
1973 coup in Chile brought
of weird stuff. There which, you
Rockefeller also had a hand in
basically, this horrible Neo
long time been enabled by this
both FTX and tether that
about USDC. So circle, is, uh, I
right, and there's been a lot
to some of this weird stuff
collapse of Silicon Valley Bank.
of their reserves were kept
dust more or less settled on
banking crisis, circle decided
needed to move around with being
in one nation under blackmail
why. So essentially, it seems to
basically being utilized for
same actors that I chronicle in
everything from sex trafficking,
trafficking, the worst stuff,
looting of wealth in the
the developed world, including
enabling the same type of
unsettling. So just wanted to
It's unreal. I mean,
SPF, they filed chapter 11 on
11. And four days after being
banking institutions came out to
announcement of the digital
Federal Reserve Bank in New
So that was immediately after,
Apple Pay announced that they
and letting you use USDC
it's the spookiest shit. I mean,
literally founded by Alexander
most important banks in the
the American experiment. And I
fifth it has, like, its hands
like in the world. It's just
they hold the paper for, for us
Armstrong, the CEO of of
it's the de facto, you know,
that's kind of a big part of, of
cbdc is kind of a red herring.
I think the government doesn't,
know, to directly issue money
because they actually reserve
know, sort of keeping it in the
you know, we've seen that with
some of these other with, you
of American institutions. You
you know, affiliated with the US
their staff is filled with with
budget is filled with, you know,
government. And I think we're
kind of play out that the cbdc I
launches in a month, it's like
this inter banking network. And
ways, a lot more dangerous than
anyway. And that just
enables financial
right. Well,
the thing is, is kind of, I
really be even more of a
now. And I don't mean that as a
Like, please don't, please don't
are in kind of a surveillance
your phone, on a smartphone on
it's completely surveilled.
and, but fed now kind of, it's
thing. And it basically like
system even more, and brings it
dollar, all of this, you know,
It's basically paying everybody
know, of overnight, overnight
dollar demand outside of the
back in, which is, you know,
bankers want?
Well, yeah, I think that's
whole talk about banking the
too, you know, we want all of
particularly our new system
essentially in the quote,
bring it in, you know, into our
and surveil it more closely. And
seeing like, in the US, with the
over $600, I mean, it'll keep
everything in the system at the
so the US will basically
treasury reserve asset back back
to kind of, you know, do these
reverse repo swaps, and then the
facing, like the things that
and I, but, you know, the
will use this, you know, they'll
they'll use USDC, they'll use
dollar coin, they'll use Bank of
are all coming in massive ways.
to be able to service our debt.
issue dollars directly they
reserves. So they can sell these
providers like tether, and
largest net buyers of, of
bonds from the US government,
like hands over fist. And I
I think that's going to increase
to see way more stable coins,
we've already digitalized the
of America, you know, balances a
mean, so little of it is
any way. And I think we'll just
And these sort of retail facing
you know, the, the CBDC, you
you know, kind of maybe control
and saying, Let's ban the US
CBDCs, hurray, hurray, we won.
promoting, you know, stable coin
if it's this win. And it's like,
sector of the US government is
they are the people that are,
imperialism and colonialism of
These are the people we don't
Yeah, I definitely agree
support them. So I want to run
little bit interest well on
illuminate some of the funny
coins. So the UN for example. So
the World Food Programs,
was basically like Syrian
from the UN and the World Food
biometrics scan your irises,
scans to get access to food? And
because even though it's
voluntarily starve or
biometrics to be able to feed
exactly voluntary. So the humans
backing something I wrote about
the ID 2020. Alliance, the push
created by gates and the
force digital ID on the entire
fulfilling Sustainable
Target nine is about legal aid.
basically, for example,
with Thailand and my Mr. The
involved in the UN sex for food
children. And it was the same
biometrics, and we'll issue you
information about you tracking
including not just like, you
quote, unquote, but all your
education history and all of
biometrics. And if you want aid,
hospital these people have
know, partners of this
surrender that, you know, it's
is pushing a lot of this stuff.
part of the UN at least was
stable coins and cryptocurrency
developing countries. But then a
the UN started dispersing aid to
of USDC. So and then, of course,
people in the audience are aware
FTX and crypto donations to
these policy contradictions from
I mean, it's just, I mean,
on the belt of just the, you
of these huge infrastructural
entities in our world
absolutely ridiculous. I think
shitting, on the capabilities of
of the mouth, and then the other
oh, no, it's essential for, you
Ukraine. And by I mean, like, I
websites, and was kind of
wallets and was doing some
elites about, you know, a lot of
absurd. The amount of money that
communication, the different the
numbers announced and what was
the blockchain. And, yeah, I
great example of like, you know,
hypocrisy of the purple party, I
be and Warren and kind of the
party, like red and blue
That's, I
mean, yeah. I mean, when you
to some of the Ukraine stuff,
of the financial system. You
Chair is sort of the, you know,
sure they're, you know,
compromised like anyone else,
1979, through now, with the
obviously now the Treasury
political party and re nominated
wealth Chairman from Ben
nominated, and then re nominated
2006. He did it four times he
Clinton, then Bush, Jr. and then
then Obama, and then power was
like, Okay, we have this huge
apparently, between Trump and
saving democracy, and Trump is
they can re nominate the exact
kind of arguably most important
rates of the dollar system.
the bankers run both
surprising once once you do
and you look into the, you
with all these huge bankers as
you know, right before they
was on a podcast like a couple
about talking about wanting to
you're seeing you know, a lot of
use case of okay, well, we can
And Bitcoin magazine actually
We have a print magazine in the
interesting. I don't know a ton
using Yeah, cryptocurrency
a way to, you know, I guess on
citizens and sort of in this
potentially, below below paper,
They are using this technology
just absurd how much money has
technology? And yeah, it's
articulate a thought of of how
legislation attempting to, you
dangerous technology. And then
know, virtue signaling, you
flags about how good you know,
Ukraine. It's, it's totally
yeah, consider the fact
least now, right, that provably
saying that a lot of money that
used by the Ukrainian government
ill gotten gains and that a lot
there's no paper trail, so no
Ukraine is the conflict that
of Afghanistan and right, you
earlier, he talked a lot about
Afghanistan to these particular
relates to things like money
just that the money was
was intentionally lost, because
that goes on. And, you know,
of US monetary policy. And as
this standard FASEB 56, where
books, and they publish another
lie. And they don't have to tell
actually knows where money money
doing that. With Ukraine. It's
they're using, including the UN,
not just FTX, which was tied up
for example. But the UN itself
it gets lost. Oh, yeah. But they
being misused. But for some, you
and this is where Bitcoin I
Because, you know, you can't,
you know, you can have a shitty
bucket shop, that's, you know,
violations and commingling user
you know, you, you can't you
to obfuscate, you know, shitty
I mean, how much of our current
from, you know, the US going off
kind of that seems sort of
this Afghanistan, Assange theory
meant to just kind of be
laundering opportunity. And
military colonialism within the
connected to oil. And then we
revolutions happening, like we
involved in Ukraine is I mean,
something that happens seven,
that. Yeah. And then we also
happened with the Iranian
that sort of, you know, we were
used to be IBP. And there was a,
the Shah, I believe, and sort of
were charging them basically
entity was losing money, and
they were losing money, the
overthrow of masa deck.
Yeah, yeah. Okay. Exactly.
nationalized, the oil fields. So
revolutions and sort of CO
democracies in the US, I and we
America. And now we're seeing,
some of this Central and South
of these, like 66 dollarized
know, what, where was the US
think so when we look at
look at the total picture, learn
well, this is sort of the
unfortunately. And obviously,
supportive of a national
border with military action, of
at, you know, the sort of big
stinks to high hell for sure.
Yeah, but I think the
weird crypto stuff and Ukraine
like in the past, you know, a
action were based around
yeah, exactly. And now it seems
different phase where it's a
Bitcoin dollar politics may
be a direct sort of parallel to
involvement. Is it now? Sorry,
think it's strange that we just
Bitcoin dollar thesis kind of
when we saw everything implode,
markets, it's like I, you know,
like the US goes and invades
now we're, you know, it's
market. And right before that
this was the COVID lock downs,
know, government and, you know,
control over government kind of
So we see a global lockdown,
issuance in May of 2020, we had
the first time that the relative
below 2% relative issuance. So
was actually issuing less than
dollar, and wrath less than the
ground, which an extraction rate
this like mathematical moment
before this thing is about to
collapse of all markets, dollar
stocks go down, gold goes down,
nothing's supposed to all move
you know, like that's, that's a
where's the money actually going
then, you know, we see Bitcoin
the next 12 months at 20x, and
later. And so, what also
know, we just disappeared and
bunch of shit there. And then,
starts right after, you know,
which now we're learning, you
catastrophic failure of public
think it the same people
lot of wins out of the lock
regular people. Yeah, but you
and how much market share Amazon
billionaires came out of the
it pushed forward a lot of these
everything, push everything to
telehealth ubiquitous, make more
person shopping, and all the
coming from people like Eric
National Security Commission, he
talking about before COVID and
right, but obviously, you know,
really? Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
parts to all of that. I mean, I
important to think about how
feel like a lot of independent
really bothers me, is still very
world through the lens of the
obviously moved on, because we
administration, for example,
economy, the net zero stuff,
by the bankers that have
could argue they really ran it
Rockefeller influence with the
I tend to lean toward that
don't think the UN operated
before, it's very clear now that
bankers, and that these are the
sustainable development. Right,
Bernie and Mike Bloomberg,
you know, I just don't Yeah, I
Just what the the energy
there, I think it's so it's so
kind of ideas that, you know,
we saw the Biden administration
Bitcoin mining. I mean, the
production has a huge huge
because its energy usage is
decentralization and its ability
sensorless transactions. And so,
know, the state control locked
battery production. We're seeing
basically of, of minerals and
it's a software company as well,
shit, no one's going to catch up
stuff is so important. And now
this kind of, we're
control over over money now via
Sorry. So there's
no, I think that's a great
what we're seeing, too, in terms
petrodollar, and again, I would
media stop acting like it's
definitely world by now, yeah,
really comfortable with that
really like to, I don't know. I
revisioning of your worldview.
that, too. Because I wrote a lot
when I worked at MIT Press, and
we're talking about, have
think, though, you know, this
to look at because their energy
allotted a certain amount of
there's this idea of
at least for the masses in terms
and you're only allowed to
economic activity based on how
right? Yeah. And this is
paradigm is moving towards. But
from where we are now to there,
going to be like from one to the
going to be some sort of
to with the whole like Bitcoin
stuff and energy usage as it
think somewhere in there, you're
approach that takes us from
technocracy paradigm. And it's
onto something here about what
necessarily have all the, you
and know for sure, but it seems
know, somewhere in the in the
I mean, I'm just a dude with
know, it's like that, too. Yeah.
I have no idea. It's just, you
just watching, you know, these
Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I
come in a lot of this stuff from
like, I, you know, was kind of a
kind of, like, got into sort of
stuff through that field. And I
and I saw a lot of the CO
saw, like, the queue, people
occur, that was, you know, in my
you know, kind of controlled
leaks and truth stuff that was
know, Podesta leaks, and all
you know, all this shit. And
from just being in the Bay Area,
worked all these company
know, up until 2020. And just
with all these people in these
at parties, seeing these things,
Bay Area for like, this decade,
everything there. And it's like,
just like, stand aside and just
know, picking up something or
don't know, who's really
dollar coalition or whatever. I
impossible to know exactly, but
see the like, at least this was
for sure. And we can kind of see
way where they could use Bitcoin
globalize the dollar and extend
have probably given up economic
India, to, you know, kind of
of now, you know, probably 10
you know, we probably shouldn't
didn't bail out, you know, the
and, you know, you just look at
Harris was the DA in California
Minuchin. With all of this
collapse, and she decides not
Treasury prints more money than
it's just like, I don't know how
those things and just not see
dissonance. That's like, like
infuriates me because it's like
to like Operation warp speed and
we've had than Trump and yet
state demigod and
isn't his administration in
it's just clown world a lot of
there? Well, again, there's a
this whole, like political
least with his base. And I've
how there's this cultural
that political savior. So
found it right. And other people
looking for their own version of
controlled by the bankers.
in their, in their
sorry, our own emotions, they're
It's like, I think the Q people
Trump derangement syndrome
dumb. It's like, they're,
manipulated by and their consent
know, these ridiculous, you
belief stuff. It's no one
about evidence or facts anymore.
belief in something. You know,
there's all these efforts to
COVID. That's been the big theme
of the UN. And trust secures
doing it right. Yeah. So they're
figures that we trust, so that
say. So me, you know, maybe it's
build, you know, trust with
know, you roll out people that
Trump or Elon Musk, or Peter
whatever, no one you heard them
He feels interesting to
bank run on Silicon Valley Bank
He's a huge coiner has come out
he claims to be a Bitcoin
stage with Mike Pompeo and says
weapon to destroy the dollar. So
know, and he doesn't he's like
libertarian. And then his
Liberty destroying CIA front
Palantir created Facebook, which
basically, and all this other
met with Jeffrey Epstein, we
and carbine, which is taking
911 to build a pre crime control
Peter. No, I wouldn't. I would
least, you know, well,
but he did write the intro.
foreword to the sovereign
edition. So he's super based and
maybe he
thinks he's a sovereign
accountable and untouchable, but
you know, whose lives they've
I don't think he sees them as
I
mean, the guy that the guy
data to the US government, it's
all, all, every US
and there's like, 18 of them
it's absurd. Yeah. And I'm
And I'm sure I'm sure there's
intelligence fighting. Like,
factionalism
Most definitely. That's why
opinion. Right. Right. Right.
wasn't because the establishment
No, no, no. Someone off? Well, I
factional thing going on. And
has to do with his affiliation
sort of had came to power in
Arabia deposed John Brennan,
Brennan's golden boy in Saudi
Crown Prince, and then you have,
2019, he was really tied up also
Musk. And Elon Musk is, you
all this stuff. Kushner was
this weird nexus there. That's
And then you have John Brennan
take down that faction, I think
opinion, at least, that there's
that's more likely a better
arrested and quote, unquote,
long time. And a key part of his
what he was doing with JP
collapse of Bear Stearns in
shady stuff that he was involved
really like to talk about when
before, right. But yeah,
was building around the time he
involved with this guy named Ben
Trent open transhumanist. And he
Singularity net. And he is one
robotics that produces Sophia
robot was rolled out and given
being NBS was being advised by
how that might have some weird
connection to this card Donald
Hoskinson that I want to get
the podcast, sorry, go ahead.
Well, just I think, I mean,
Cardano stuff, but just the idea
a an angle to all this that is
you know, the elite sort of
a lot of this, you know, these
for us, but there's obviously
basically to circumnavigate this
that Geoffrey Lubin when he was,
Ethereum. And when he was
you basically how you could buy
I mean, he's literally on camera
how you avoid, you know, anti
customer regulations, so you can
JP Morgan has a huge share, and
citizenship, I think, the
relates to cryptocurrency and
at like the TerraMar Project,
I don't know. Yeah, right.
Clinton Foundation. Yeah.
And, you know, it was sort
of kind of being this like,
huge part of it was about ocean
creating this like offshore
for offshore bankers.
And, you know, she's a
is the science shit that they're
they looking for in the Bahamas?
don't want to get into too much
shorter a cement mixer do
arrested? And I don't know.
Yeah, yeah. I don't know,
they're looking for building. Do
underneath there? Who knows. But
important. Because we're now
this like Indonesian island
blue that has all these
signed off on their, you know,
support budget from the US and
citizenship, you know, passport
basically people could like swim
passport and then be able to go
problem. And now we're seeing
this as like a service in the
where like, you can go get a
Winky dinky I heard about this
conference, and it blew my
telling me about it. Like, oh,
talking to you were doing that.
intelligence agencies do, dude.
100%. I mean, it's fair me
mean, this is where a lot of my,
around and looking at all this
there's clearly something going
of citizenship. And I think it's
of circumnavigating reporting of
you know, how it relates to
whether it's drugs, or what else
Exactly. And you start to piece
it's like Disney cruises,
Island for snorkeling, and it's
fast. But but now we're seeing
being presented as a way to you
out and says you can use this
component. Oh, no, that when
like a service to like, you
basically, certainly means
financial fee, then none of
it's like to the rich, they're
it's just part of their budget,
spoofing the metals market, they
history of banking. And it was
budget profit of just that one
like, or HSBC money
all that stuff. And they get
nothing of what they made. Yeah,
So while I think the
crazy, and I think the way that
blockchain, hyper surveilled
I think that there are already
seeing it with what you just
little people aren't going to
just discussed, but the rich
panopticon. And it looks like
quote unquote inclusive. Right?
have all these workarounds and
them up right now.
Yeah. And we're seeing, I
kind of loop back to that, like,
within that that's using, like
way to sort of build you know,
think we've kind of seen like,
like technology, academia as
like, I think there's a reason
a lot of scientists in the
think it's all just eugenics. Or
remember
but I think a lot of it was
really,
absolutely. But I think a
know, kind of Manufacturing
we just went through. I mean, I
of I got kicked out of college.
electrical engineering, and I
not getting back. And I think
still is, I mean, they're still
been that look at MIT, where
actually in heavily funded.
mitre, one of the shittiest
contractors to other exists the
And it's been a huge part of the
since the military industrial
for example, at MIT, when he
military funding, right. So I
probably get some sort of
even if you're a linguist,
I mean, we just saw, I mean,
mean, he bass. I mean, I know,
I know. I know, basically,
But huge part of inventing,
computers. I mean, he's, you
father of computers and computer
way.
People talk about that a
thought he wanted to meet with
Totally. And then we see
he was just opposed last night,
Barclays, and JP Morgan. Yeah.
Ryan Killian, who was the
So and his dad ran a chemicals
Staley of WT grant, when they
like, it just everywhere you
intergenerational crime
people that put Jamie diamond
from the Wexner crowd were the
quintessential intergenerational
the Pritzker is, which are also
For sure. I mean, Thomas
numero uno. Why did Jeffrey
years that even mean? Even
right? Why is he number one?
that in the black book. You
going on. So not enough people
of the keys. key reasons the
been so successful in what
early on involved in Castle
most notorious at least at the
built by former CIA guy Paul
insider in the Pritzker years.
Democrats and it was their
helped set up Castle bank with
all this Republican Democrat
the Caribbean. I mean, based on
it doesn't really sound that
You know, definitely not.
an important part of, I think,
know, kind of general you know,
sort of this like, the cycles of
are compressing like so, like
these like, you know, basically
you know, whatever, like just
these mechanisms, like occurring
seeing them happen. And it's
thing they did, and like, oh,
Afghanistan. Like just the fact
because it's only been 20 years.
important. It's like, you know,
starting to see you know, this
able to kind of like see how the
whatever Cabal, whatever the
operate and we will We're
to do it so much quicker. It was
financial crisis is are now
we're probably going to have
yeah. We've lived through it. I
I'm not old by any means. And
Yeah, exactly. And it's like,
only imagine that people that
twice our age that are, you
they were really kind of paying
cycles compress, you know it
II and they're more
do about it? Right, right.
the last thing I want to talk
Cardano. And Charles. Yeah,
important under the topic of the
So Hoskinson, co founder of
founders of Ethereum, one of
Butyrin. harissa is name who I
context of this thing. But
up with who I mentioned earlier,
that was funded by Epstein,
Cardano and singularity net have
their operations and singularity
Ben girdle. And, okay, around. I
slightly after the Cardano
involved with the Ethiopian
which is normally very
me, thing, you know, outlet to
published about this called
watershed moment for the
it starts off talking about the
there's this conflation of
doesn't, you know, these are all
come up about Bitcoin. It's been
controversies, but now
good and being used a tribute to
of people in the developing
there is this lady's reasoning
way, which is, I mean, what a
that this program by Charles
to make everything better for
she describes it. She says, a
showcasing blockchain
countries. Unlike most other
which focus on private sector
Europe in North America. Their
governments and public
world, obviously, for altruistic
there. Yeah, that's why I'm
know what to take me literally
in April, the Ethiopian
signed a deal to create a
teacher ids using a
solution. The deal involves
children across 3500 schools,
educational records. This is the
be signed by a government and
crypto asset industry. And she
digital ID is going to be
for me, but Okay, so you're
inclusion, but this is supposed
credential. So obviously, you
part of the broader un backed
you know, paradigm where it's
information, your access to
education, your access to money
digital ID. And then she goes on
promising is that this is the
are focused on serving the
align with the developmental
Nations Sustainable Development
Union agenda 2063 goals which
equivalent of the SDGs big
to talk about Cardano and how
company input output Hong Kong
Mergo, which is based in Japan
Cardano blockchain and that
this Cardano Foundation, a Swiss
based this you know project is
blockchain and its core
benefit African countries. And
about what Cardano the project
of the earth Ethiopian deal
which Charles Hoskinson runs I'm
or it says a Tala prism is being
digital identity solutions on
idea is to start by granting
university students a digital
educational career, and future
in school will be there forever.
of what I mentioned earlier with
people in Thailand and Myanmar
all of that to their vaccination
from the time they're born on
their finances. And that's
on here. But it's being framed
some of the same outlets that
colonialism as being bad. This
it, you know, and it's backed by
you know, as I just mentioned a
fused with this and this
believe, I think it's
involved with this AI lab that
fund into existence. So you have
And Epstein, and this deposition
Islands called Africa, a great
ground for experimentation. So
You think Epstein wasn't a
serial financial criminal and
company that was, you know, he
deposition, he was trying to get
vulnerable use in the US vi to
was building, the tech FinTech
basically like a coding
Right. But allegedly, according
company founded after his first
trafficking operation. So what
vulnerable kids for from the
More questions. So with
going on there, and these people
themselves as anti crypto
And also the question arises,
what is all this data being used
Because you have, you know,
will have this tied to Sophia,
be building its AI that controls
it's trained on. And now they
access all of this stuff. Well,
how decentralized is it? Really,
guys, including stable coins and
today claim, oh, we're
forth. But that's not exactly
Yeah. Not even close to
mean, no, absolutely not
centralized, not decentralized
Yeah, exactly. And then you
if I'm butchering his name, I
booter. In but due to right,
to be
strong and fastest on the
Exactly. Yeah, whatever. I speak
whatever. But anyway, he came up
bound tokens. Are you familiar
he's basically charting out the
you know, their whole life on in
basically the same thing as what
Ethiopia, and called them
soul bound tokens.
I mean, this disturbing ass
say the very least, you know, I
particularly the ones that
original Bitcoin, like you do,
out more because there's a lot
about in some of these
academic articles, but also an
Bitcoiners everyone that has is
they're all the same. Right?
of, like we've talked about
differences. And the question is
but also other people that may
technologies as a potential exit
stuff as an X exit ramp has to
fought for now, because like
ground is being lost and the
be able to use it that way
of the same system you're
So it's like everything else,
some point you have to have red
not gonna cosign that, you know,
it's so messed up too
Ethiopia is like, Ethiopia is
was never colonized. Like it
colonizers against each other.
weapons from one side and use it
turn like they were never
kind of the only place in Africa
And now we're seeing Epstein,
this did shit is so especially
it's like, you're creating a
for that information to get
like, I mean, it's like, anytime
even KYC exchanges have to deal
think there was a lawsuit in
state where that was suing
their data of their, like 3d
whatever on a on a server that
all of that data got leaked.
accident. What these people are
know, Ethiopia with, it's like
really messed up. And
this is what sustainable
again, I've been captured by by
is a banker design vision,
Bitcoin to own the bankers?
whatever. You What are you
would say that, I'd say the
understand that, I think, yeah,
basically bastardization of what
centralized banking, I think
of stake that there's like a
like, people can get that, but
like, people just love to scam
why the economic, you know, you
citizens and is set to enrich
really get into that at rocket
have necessarily an open mind to
disgusting this really is. And I
really interesting thing,
some really cool use cases with
they're self hosted and
you can create results.
Most people aren't going to
That's
totally. Right. Right,
decentralized, the biggest one
are, there's a whole bunch of
feel comfortable sharing some of
to be a lot of movement
standards. And that is sort of
was called by. And that was a
this guy, Daniel burgers, super
he's working for block. Jack
company. And they're working on
far as I know, is about to have
whole thing about digital IDs in
if someone with a huge, huge
know, sort of coalition, it you
standard, right? And so things
that a very, very, very big,
California is going to be
service standards. Yeah.
Any of that, though, like
consider the fact that like the
unit, a 200, GCHQ, in the UK,
any device you have. Oh, yeah, I
just, it's like any sort of
certain measures, it's probably
for those agencies. So if your
to be, quote, unquote,
don't know if I'm going to get
you know, people trying to build
our technology, yada, yada,
that, fine. I don't know if
that's going to get us out of
more about community building at
mean, at least people are, in a
but I personally, you know, I'm
period. So Brian put a different
know, I see it as a sitting duck
I agree 99% Like I
you're curve creating, I mean
attack surface anytime you put
a computer. I do think like
do, and even people that are
know things.
And I do that too. I mean,
I'm pretty public, with like,
and whatever. And that's not all
think like there is absolute
some of these public key
encryption decryption schemes,
they have been attacked by the
cryptography like, you know,
know, munitions basically. And
you know, issue that this
And so a lot of these OG
shirts, they released it as
to, to, you know, Phil Zimmerman
could actually be used by people
well it will also be used by
agencies, and all these people
thing,
I see what you're saying,
just get them in their hands
they're going to use it, I can,
same time,
I think you're totally
very wary of all of these
I, you know, I've basically
Bitcoin, education or
still think that there's a less
that it was intelligence
creation, but I can still see
tools, regardless in a in a
generation, which I think is
obviously, that's why I'm so
need to push back on this stuff,
opted so easily. And it is just
into.
Totally. Well, we probably
this has definitely gone on
tend to but I think it was a
because a lot of stuff isn't
what you've talked about, and
really being said, especially in
hope more people with the same
you have in the Bitcoin space do
to differentiate themselves from
because there are people that
And I don't really think you
people like you and others like
more voices that are added, you
better off we will be. But you
that you have an up coming book
discussed today, the Bitcoin
where, what, what details
book, you know, why don't you
people can follow you on social
Yeah, totally. So, yeah, the
bit. I literally got a message
talking to you right now, so
about some other things. So
hoping to have it out in time
couple of weeks ago.
to happen, but I'm thinking
months, certainly by the end of
think just so many of the things
of already playing out. You
I've written about is available
kind of search by author, you
find me there I've written a lot
dollar stable coins, the you
Bitcoin dollar was kind of my
And that kind of sets the tone
publishing with Bitcoin magazine
about. We are continuing the
you know, I run the editorial
we're very stoked that you've
which is awesome. We hope. Well,
Yep. And that's a bunch of times
you can definitely find us
magazine.com. You can follow me
an underscore between the W and
see y'all out on the
stuff because it's super
thanks so much for having me.
I definitely think it's a
of people don't see that. I
war. And I think right now to an
that. So I think this is a big,
you've shared today, I think is
for the coiners I hope more will
they're on because it really is
picking sides. Are you going to
banker built dystopia? Or are we
different? And you know, it's
definitely. And I think the more
you're going to see these
that are building that with
and even with dollarized Bitcoin
on the side against all of that,
more of that in the not so
who knows how much time we have
censored internet. You know?
I agree. Yeah. Reality.
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