Hey, and welcome back to
Whitney Webb. The past few weeks
American politics to say the
focus on Peter Thiel, the man
vice presidential pick J.D.
influence on now very likely
noted in a recent article
Hangout, Thiel is responsible
short political career, as well
relationship with Trump, but
career that preceded it. Thiel,
most misunderstood billionaire
in the United States. And I
spent a small fortune to frame
him as a libertarian and as anti
decisions, particularly those
well as many of his investments
different political persuasion.
PayPal to Palantir incubated
agencies From their inception,
and other forms of incredibly
surveillance against innocent
include companies tied to
now taking over us 911 Call
data from your smartphone and
well as companies ushering in an
currently being piloted by the
IDF in Gaza. What will Thiel's
significant during Trump's first
particularly with his protege
me today to discuss this and
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Thanks so much for having me
I am too because not a lot
write about Peter Thiel, but you
great ones for unlimited
that later. But first off, I
listeners, it would be good to
connection between J.D. Vance
subject of a recent article that
unlimited Hangout, as I
Man Behind Trump's VP Pick, It's
that article, I discussed how
Vance into his circle, while
School. And shortly thereafter,
investment firm, one of several,
mithril capital. He worked there
revolution ventures, which is
and running it's Rise of the
created his own venture capital
which was heavily backed by
CEO Eric Schmidt, who's actually
paying a lot of staff in Biden's
though it's been widely reported
And he basically directs not
Technology Policy of the Biden
national security state by
Commission on AI pretty crazy.
Thiel, rather, are both key
committee of the Bilderberg
agree on a lot more than they
doors like is the situation at
Thiel donated heavily to Vance
launched during the 2022
million to Vance's then Senate
largest donation ever given to
that's pretty significant
and that cycle was a never
Trump to Hitler and things like
some Republicans at the time, of
Thiel was the person that
Mar-a-Lago to sort of smooth
And then it was to also connect
prominent Silicon Valley donors,
part of the so called PayPal
And now another PayPal
with Thiel Elon Musk, had was a
of Vance for VP along with David
like it's pretty clear and not
from you know, reporting pretty
soon as the pic was announced a
discussing expressly the close
J.D. Vance and Peter Thiel. And
essentially a protege of Thiel.
good time to sort of get into
matters, as well as perhaps a
protegees, which Stavroula and I
rather, you've written about Sam
he is an important one to keep
just of in OpenAI, but also with
that hopes to develop into. But
Luckey, as well, who's behind
So I guess there's a lot of
talking about Peter Thiel. I
some work on his political
think that's probably a good
tell us? Sure.
And I think that this is a
when people are discussing Peter
will comment that he's
think anything he actually does
libertarian belief, right? Yeah.
not agree more. Yeah, like,
it's just, it's just not in
think the best way to really
I was doing research for this
video clip where he was
he viewed technology as an
And the quote was essentially
believe he said this. No, I
quote, he essentially was like,
to beg and plead with people to
way. But what if we, you know,
if I and the few people who
could change things through
essentially saying, For this
amazing alternative politics.
explains pretty well, what he
he's done over the last, you
decades now, really is that he
his name over essentially
industry, through Founders Fund,
capital firm, he's essentially
biggest names in tech, including
Palantir, Meta, OpenAI, etc. You
going to throw his weight that
found one of these companies, or
amount of money, I'm I'm sure
some respect, he's bought some
some amount of influence from
think that he kind of
understands this is that if he
can make things happen that way,
powerful and do things his way.
reasonable way to describe him.
for this article, I think
Schmidt were two of the most
Bilderberg steering committee
that had written a biography on
of the most powerful if not the
And so what we have to
technology as an alternative to
doesn't really matter. Thiel
successfully. And, you know,
pointing out is that he just
to burn. And I would actually
applying the principles of
geopolitics as we know it. You
think, you know, if we see
where, okay, I'm a venture
money to invest in companies. I
will fail. But a vast, the small
me extremely high rates of
not just seeing this about the
to the extent that he can obtain
this respect, it's important to
which is I think, $100,000 to
very young age people that he
people, look, if I give you this
develop whatever idea you would
you have to drop out of college.
that he's been able to find
the founder, the founder of
of Ethereum. So he's been able
bright minds this way. Give them
very successful ideas. And
necessarily exactly the
the Tarik and Thiel right now.
Thiel gives you this fellowship,
career happen for you. It's
out when he does something that
and I think that when it comes
for example, what we're also
Schmidt is also very interested
political sector so that he's on
times. And, you know, just he
of everything. And with this
understanding that he Schmidt
Andreessen of Andreessen
much more likely to support this
Trump has come out and picked
though, even if to reject
going to gain both sides. He has
be able to do it. And I think
many major companies are now
because he's helped them to this
Yeah, I think that's
actually, the last article I
Mark Goodwin for Unlimited
network that functions somewhat
fellowship and how a lot of
we talked about the crown
Institute, and also this
sponsors focuses on sponsoring,
expressly in the emerging world.
Pay Pal network, and how through
they've developed these
up directly with eBay and
to be the rails on which this
herded to runs on on Latin
would argue, as part of this
he's sort of spent a lot of
has bankrolled a lot of people
I would assume, in mainstream
him as this libertarian figure,
more like, right leaning. But
a lot of you know, what he's
the national security state,
administration. And has, like
himself to essentially play both
his, some of his protegees
example, Anduril, you know,
during the Obama administration
for giving them a bunch of
Right, and then at the same
know, America first and Palmer
backers, particularly vocal
as well on all of this. So I
say, you know, whichever of
you know, whoever's in office,
either side. I think that's why,
recent article, clear view, a
startup that has taken all this,
Facebook, for example, which
helped set up brags about
identify almost like 1000 people
January 6, some of whom have
that, obviously, that's a sales
supporters, obviously. And then
to people like you know, Biden's
Haines, a longtime consultant of
how he's used Palantir to stop
is. His deepest worry about the
quote unquote, far right in the
time you have Trump framing
the libertarian camp or more
now much more in the in the
previously. And you know, as I
in my recent article, Peter
early days of the Trump
transition team with an outsized
which resulted in quote unquote,
Palantir, during the first Trump
likely to see that again. And as
you know, a libertarian and anti
for the fact that he's given the
and Orwellian. And like,
arsenal, both like literally and
pretty open that he views
as a bad thing, and basically
way he approaches business, is
and to corner that market
because competition is bad for
free market libertarian and
basically, you know, saying you
you look at Peter, how Peter
whether it's PayPal or Palantir,
national security state from the
help you build and maintain
after you for having a monopoly.
wheelhouse, essentially. So I
at all. You know, it's
fascist, I don't know if you
anything else to add?
Yeah, I mean, I think, yeah,
techno fascist is probably the
regardless, I just kind of
himself in terms of libertarian,
label, because I understand what
of, its what you pointed out. I
the surveillance state in a
previous decades, I would say
be quite on that, to be honest,
into this if you'd like. But I
out to people listening his role
for example, where he
LifeLog, Facebook, essentially,
as you know, Palantir is exactly
really is about significant data
And I think if we look at some
such as Carbyne911, that is
surveillance, where I think, I
on this than I have, but my
that it's essentially this
intelligence linked company that
you make a call to it, it can
consumer smartphone. And so this
juice up surveillance, let's say
that is to be able to try to
light post stuff like this that
the authorities and seven person
and I think ClearView AI is
in that respect in terms of okay
Thiel says, of his libertarian
something like ClearView AI?
he's not actually interested in
people see it. And I think
ClearView AI, and I think you've
ClearView AI is essentially
of this way to try to come back
relations moment where it can
obviously, it had been banned
in the past simply because it
person would see that ClearView
for your face. And it's storing
say I dislike this. And I think
thing with January 6, it's been
to use this war time moment in
the Ukrainian military. See,
recognition technologies because
war or something like this, it's
want Ukraine to win is
to say with that. So just Peter
assisting these projects that
surveillance, um, you know,
actually interested in anything
important to say about that, is
operating a lot and Ukraine
going to come back to the United
just the private domestic
think um, the other thing that's
support of Aduril in the sense
this whole surveillance wall in
from like, almost three
them, you're learning the tech
definitely going to be applied
domestic sphere, right?
Yeah, I think that's
deploying it or getting ready to
sphere. I mean, people need to
stuff that was originally
terror, and of course, Palantir
those programs, which you
Information Awareness, the
have it come home to roost and
terror. They tried to sort of
the mid 1990s, after the wake of
the target of that, quote,
veterans, militia members,
generally, those tend to be sort
constitution. Conservatives,
in my opinion, through Thiel,
other people that are sort of,
sphere now is sort of to get the
the surveillance to essentially
as you know, like Anduril's
building, you know, this has
the mass migration issue with
it's been deployed for several
nothing to stem the tide of, you
over the US Mexico border, and
time, you know, promoting the
smart wall as opposed to a
answer to Trump's first campaign
During his first campaign of
then when Trump was in office,
building a physical barrier and
of the smart wall. And the smart
continued under the Biden
with Trump on the campaign trail
a how we desperately the United
biometric entry exit system for
setting it up, ClearView AI has
they're not just going to roll
to be all ports of entry. And I
tie in there with the DHS effort
requirements for people. And
know, claimed to be against this
for example, promoting and
Floridians already the Florida
it's very likely that we're
that, under a second Trump
Thiel funded companies are
these systems systems to come.
global agenda, which again, I
Peter Thiel's connection to
global policies are sort of
of course, not the only place,
Forum annual meeting, and
other conferences they have,
planned out and discussed. But
is in line with the UN agenda
global goals, particularly SDG
implementing partner of and they
goals. And the United States and
the world are members of ember,
this biometric digital ID system
a lot of the beta testing for
during COVID, web with vaccine
think these agendas are being
to Trump's base, you know, as we
United States, and it seems like
not just to the migration issue.
ID thing is going to be, you
biometric ID to vote as opposed
wanting like a physical Id like
like all the ideas we've had
pushes from this within the
very much in line with what
Valley, big tech oligarchs
think, you know, they've,
people on the quote, unquote,
it to people in the quote
Thiel in particular is a big
technology in this this these
on the quote unquote, right,
problems are bothering them the
is that I mean, if you think
border wall, you know, as you've
know, doesn't just create drones
create drones that murder
becoming, you know, taking
decision making. And there's
space. And this military
complex that we have to also put
all of this. So I know you've
You know, what do you see this
think it's going to stop with
the border that are, you know,
identifying people's faces with
number of potential facial
it's likely to expand into
Orwellian and potentially
Sure, I suppose I can talk a
surveillance, but also, I can
Thiel backed companies role in
playing out in Ukraine. Would
of both? Yeah, sure. I think
good. I think I think what's
interested in this topic,
reporting on it. But it's really
reading about how AI is
the battlefield, or at least
back companies and not to back
Thiel, companies that are doing
what's really critical is that a
are acting in Ukraine are Thiel
a little bit about ClearView AI.
really important to talk about
component, and the normalization
technologies and wartime and
know, if we think a little bit
their work with AI powered
that it I find this stuff to be
don't think that it's being
public sphere whatsoever, to be
some of the current contracts,
or projects that they're working
for example, I could tell you a
artificial intelligence platform
their demo online. But
here is that Palantir has used
data, data synthesis, data
whatnot. So they're essentially
ChatGPT, like chat bot, you can
gives you the information, it's
enemy, that's three kilometers
you suggestions based on the
what you can do about this
is now suggesting you could hit
want to do that the person on
then it would essentially
That's one of the more prominent
look into, for example, I think
on military AI are working on
used to power military
done. Unfortunately, in the Gaza
and lavender systems are both
that can select targets much
Yeah.
How do you feel about the
it more efficient and more
proponents have claimed? No,
I in fact, I think it's not
funny how unreasonable the
of the accuracy. It's my
tech isn't necessarily super
also it's not, it's not, first
say on top of that, is that I
Israel, for example, I think a
these AI powered devices, you
is a human The loop which makes
joke, but essentially what's
one operating these AI powered
checks. What is being suggested
just going along with what the
this, this AI powered targeting
family. I don't know that
even going in and checking.
And I think what's really
that in the case of Israel, for
easy for them to use this. Ai
don't know whether that would
that Israel cares. But this type
because I think they're trying
that this depersonalizes war, in
aren't doing so much of it
they're doing dying. Oh, they're
sure. They're definitely dying.
people that are using these
see, we're using the software,
will die. That's not actually
going to try to use this later
Yeah, it gives them
between the decision and the
and they can blame the software.
not just for AI as well in the
put AI in charge of major
there's a push for that as well.
unpopular or catastrophic
like, Oh, well, this is what the
smarter than us, or, you know,
Schmidt argument that AI is
decision making, that it can't
decisions to people. And that's
intelligence. But really, it
computer says, Yes, computer
are supposedly in the loop, um,
with these algorithms, you know,
us and I think that's why it's
the people that are funding and
coders of the software programs,
are essentially deciding how
there's not a lot of really
of sales pitches that tout a
but those are not independently
And sometimes, you know, the
terms of accuracy, you know, 75%
like that. And if it's life or
Shouldn't it be as close to 100
pretty bad, honestly. Yeah, um,
it's important to keep in mind
Gaza situation goes, it's been
you know, Israeli surveillance
extremely overreaching for a
lot of, you know, surveillance,
of sucking stuff, sucking up
Palestinians online activity and
how much of that profiling just
activity has been used to decide
you consider that this is an
populated. There's a lot of
cousin of a Hamas member, but
with them. Is that enough to get
what we've seen in Gaza, it
sort of goes against the idea of
efficient war. But that's been
it's, um, you know, honestly,
very, you know, divorced from
this is very concerning, because
have grown in recent weeks for
Erik Prince in charge of the
you know, best known for being
essentially ran a CIA death
the war on terror, but has since
around sort of arguing that the
privatize its wars. And he
that the military industrial
incompetent and very corrupt.
know, perhaps putting in some of
like Anduril, for example, or
being used in Gaza, or you know,
that we've been talking about,
and more efficient. That is
So if someone like Prince does
privatize off the wars, to quote
the military industrial complex,
be any better? And I certainly
think you know, we were losing
it becomes about AI powered
more Imperial wars, I mean, I
in the United States, it's been
people are tired of the Imperial
them as leaner and cheaper,
be aI powered, misses the whole
wars, because we know when these
increased instability increase,
against Americans and other
not in the US National. And I
how it's just gone horribly,
going to continue doing them
we know isn't accurate and
the exact same result, maybe
because it's drones on the
what the best we can do? And
seems to me, you know, just sort
same systems have, as you and I
on earlier are going to be
States for the purpose of
control. Because the war on
terror have always gone hand in
the United States has been just
world, by US intelligence. And
Americans as well, profiles them
CIA's naughty list in case the
protocols are ever formally
you know, this is really not the
be supporting. But there's a lot
it right now, unfortunately,
years, people that would know
left, right paradigm in the US
know, playing Team sports again.
to this whole idea of like aI
enables isn't a more efficient
way it makes the war machine
kill more people more quickly.
Yeah, that's the that's a
think that in that, I think,
to point that out. I mean, this
go on in this private, Ultra,
possible, Trump pick would
seem really interested in making
possible. And I think AI power
that. And I think Anduril, for
lattice operating system that
operator to command like
sure, it may be cheaper for you
than actually train soldiers to
causing is it's paving the way
war. And I find that to be very
we put if politicians
for this type of, let's say,
space, but also not really
our relationships with war
actually be a consideration or a
only going to become more and
that it's also just too bad.
that it's election time, we're
Biden dropping, dropping out is
know, do I think Trump, Kamala
actually interested in
policies in a meaningful way?
that J.D. Vance has questioned
support, or sorry, I support his
support of Israel, but also his
want to do to Iran where I guess
he said, you know,
with an overall status quo where
of people at the very top are
We're, you know, unfortunately,
system in this matter, we're
dealing with the continuation of
AI in, it's slated to just make
I mean, I'm definitely concerned
concerns me that Trump is being
establishment candidate,
appointment because going back
essentially as far as I see it.
the military industrial complex.
Valley. That's the way I see
think I think that anybody who
needs to be mindful of Thiel's
way. Because what it could mean
someone like Thiel, who is very
direction of technology to his
again, that just means we're
environment that really, I think
of no return, depending on where
Yeah, I think that's
definitely agree with your
But I would consider people who
unquote, Silicon Valley ticket
Silicon Valley in the military
it's more of a military
don't leave out the intelligence
military what to do sometimes.
fused Silicon Valley double is
military, and also intelligence
particularly true of this. You
years, the Thiel verse that
call it the PayPal Mafia, but I
encompasses aspects of PayPal
protegees, and Thiel fellows and
they're all in to sort of
military industrial complex. And
dichotomy to sort of be like,
military industrial complex, and
know, there, you're essentially
end of the day, but something
come up a few times, and I know
extensively about Peter Thiel,
or backed or co founded and
major, you know, political issue
for the war in Ukraine,
backing the Ukrainian side. And
against that, do you think it's
second Trump administration that
prevent the you know, sort of
Ukrainian government since some
become or, you know, to founded
intimately involved in the
I think this is something
you know, the way I do see it is
of political candidates, and
quite clear about their stance,
Vance is clearly telling us he
reconsideration as to whether
United States moving forward.
tell what J.D. Vance says Now,
becomes Vice President, could be
think we can say that based on
disparity between what
into office, and then what
office. And I think in this
highlight a little bit of
Vance throughout his career.
close. And so when we understand
know, these companies Anduril,
definitely benefit from the war
calculate and articulate but
essentially able to use Ukraine
going to want to say goodbye to
how much it would help his
have to imagine if he really
affairs regarding the war in
simply based on the fact that
helped. He's helped fund a
congressional candidates. He has
States Government at a number of
have to assume that if he really
perspective, regarding the
try to do it. But even if he
Peter Thiel, this is as far as I
is a bit of a long game for
thinks like a venture
and your real ClearView AI
what they're doing in Ukraine.
opportunities for them to be
technologies elsewhere. And I
the very powerful nature of the
lives, he has so many companies
some way indebted to him, just
even if these companies cannot
things in Ukraine, they will be
And even if something happens to
companies that he has worked to
else. So I guess my short answer
this changes or advances stance
to his relationship with Thiel.
if there is actually a
States role in Ukraine, I think
successful simply due to just
and power he has over today's
Yeah. So I absolutely agree
obviously going to have to see
that, you know, even if they do
reduce or end American
government, I think it's really
war pop up somewhere else where
the case of an upcoming Trump
to be ran at the end of the day,
Ukraine even started, you know,
Afghanistan war had been, you
administration. And I think, you
Afghanistan function for a long
way to sort of sum it up is this
Assange, quote, we're seeing the
It's an endless war, just
money laundering that has gone
trafficking, other types of
know, various other geopolitical
when the US goes to war
know, the fact that Afghanistan
gets wound down and they start
likely that if they do choose to
else will emerge elsewhere. And
rhetoric about Iran
Trump, and also now Vance, even
before he was to be pick, VP
no to war with Iran, it's on
something. Um, it just shows you
line when they, you know, are in
American politics. And if we
biggest donor in his first term,
was the guy that is the reason
Security Adviser. His big thing
Oh, yeah, it's insane. So I
you know, a lot of donors that
views, maybe not necessarily as
lobby, you know, that's backing
lobby for some time in the
promoting the idea of going to
considering that, you know, you
that's likely to expand Well,
been talks for months about it,
expanding to limit Lebanon and
regional thing. You know, I
that, and I think that's
aware of. So maybe, you know,
just be like, Oh, as long as he
Ukraine, that's enough, it
Imperial wars, that create all
But again, the instability
ties to Trump, a great example
BlackRock, which I know, You've
with Ukraine. But, you know,
sweep up a lot of distressed
countries, and also not war torn
countries that are, you know,
reasons, like Argentina, for
that stuff is also important to
on from that, I do want to sort
of the steel founded companies
facilitating this push into
really, all of that, you know, I
resurfaced some links to
previously, back when I was a
during the the first Trump
aftermath of the El Paso Walmart
tech to develop software to
stop shootings before they can
be applied to stop crime before
Republican stance generally has
party, I think there's a real
being supercharged under a
Thiel's influence there is
Palantir, since its earliest
develop into this pre crime
mining and profiling Americans
and other activity that's
who may or may not be a threat.
people that way, you know,
of predictive policing, which is
piloting in the United States
they started piloting it, I
expanded beyond, but they've
particularly, as far as their
Angeles Police Department goes
a lot of this predictive
neighborhoods of predominantly
time, and I've written in the
race aware and honestly race
interesting, I should say,
component of the company. If
will put my article that talks
shownotes. That was an article I
warp speed and race series
unfortunately, that's actually
discussion, because a lot of the
with healthcare, and healthcare
basically runs most of American
something that happened again,
during COVID-19. Through the
like HHS, HHS, protect the
Palantir, to HHS. And there's,
under the Biden administration,
those contracts for Palantir and
expanded them, they now include
another several years, and
the next president sort of
bipartisan agenda. And there's
using pre crime, to, we're sort
mental health, with concerns
crime. And we're in, you can
in Palantir. And also some of
pitched during the Trump
about before, like the safe
to be the flagship program of
care focused and DARPA agency
heavily to Trump during his
made that agency, it's called
to the end, but the safe homes
these all of this data from you
devices. So including wearables,
also Amazon Echo, you know, the
Apple TV, all of these things,
the public online activities,
media, and use AI to profile
were showing early signs of
then could sort of be triaged,
either, you know, go to see a
arrest or preventative
prison without trial,
things are being developed by
it's, you know, even Orwellian.
know, I don't really have a lot
of Trump's first term, that this
be, you know, implemented slow,
administration than any other
regardless of what party wins in
ultimately, Silicon Valley, and
security state is going to be
you have any insight into sort
healthcare and and policing
on that setup and its, you know,
freedom? I
mean, I think the primary
about it is that clearly nothing
surveillance effort. Right.
and it's my understanding
those systems they still have
they're not going to get rid of
away from it is that they, they
everything. That is become
Peter Thiel has founded and
Palantir specifically plays a
think a critical point here
just become so normal that we
and all these arrangements,
fair to simply say that Palantir
but sure, it's just, it
you know, what's happening is
government to say, I'm going to
okay, that Americans healthcare
utilized by this company in this
similar thing with okay, this is
it's a little bit similar with
think it also has significant
need to be discussed, but Oracle
working, I think it literally
Right now to operate cloud
the globe, I don't know to what
or not, but they're kind of
what we're seeing is that it's
partner with the private sphere.
examples I just referenced, it
companies are actually at least
It's all bleeding together. And
that civilian data in any
whether it be I don't know about
considering the capacity of
is okay to capture in this
Peter Thiel, through his
Tia spinoffs, aka Palantir, aka
this type of thing. And so now,
in any country, but definitely
that their data is now subjected
authorities, and then that's
all times.
Yeah, definitely makes sense
being a CIA front goes for
want to throw some info out
haven't read, you know, my past
Palantir and their their
funder was the CIA's and que
client. For the first I don't
their existence as a company.
their top engineers made over
in Langley, Virginia. And since
contracting partner of the CIA,
intelligence agency. There's 18
include SpaceForce. And, you
any deeper ties than that. And
my work, Palantir was the effort
awareness, which was really
run by an Iran Contra criminal
and John Poindexter, but he was
collaboration with the CIA. And
privatization effort as well.
tel, involved, and I think it's
of like this, quote, unquote,
like Trump and Peter Thiel, and
and some of these other people.
associate with, it's that
find a lot of connections to the
people like Ed Meese Reagan's
adviser to Trump during his
example, Peter Thiel created
Poindexter and also Richard
the Iraq War from the George W.
teamed up with Oliver North,
from the Iran Contra scandal of
on creating a private CIA and
been warning about. And also my
had been warning about on
together as sort of this effort
public private partnership like
people out of the public end of
that. So instead of having
we've been having, you know, for
just And of taking the public
and acting like it's going to be
practice, it's not. And I think
sort of testing out in Argentina
think, you know, sort of Trump's
think is part of that too. It's
issued programmable sir bailable
with private sector issued
if it's coming from people like
other, you know, major figure on
significant, you know, retail
operation. And I think also, a
for example, which as you've
significant Peter Thiel ties is
answer bailable. And there's
the Bitcoin Blockchain through
up in previous reporting about
carbon market and impose it on
on the Bitcoin Blockchain that,
reported on previously as well.
that as it relates to currency?
same network fitting into those
Yeah, that's, that's a good
crypto related reporting. I
learned through a lot of my
digital finance infrastructure
elite in some way are definitely
possible. And it's kind of my
cryptocurrencies maybe they were
way from the beginning. But what
something like Ethereum, for
example, it's proof of work to
it quite easy to compromise,
means that, you know, a number
sorry, crypto experts, I'm, I'm
know, a lot of whales are
a lot of Ethereum stakes so that
it right in the future. And I
if these digital payment
ways, where perhaps the founder
build something that couldn't be
powers that be are trying to
can and that's important, I
happening with Bitcoin as well.
people are trying to corrupted
think also it's worth linking
what's worth saying is that he's
finance or digital financial
a long time. And I think that
have the quote, pulled up here.
something along the lines about
the US dollar, right. So he's
financial infrastructure that
means I, if I run Pay Pal have
and influence over society
explain really, right. I think
countries if he's able to be
think that that's just,
these elite people backing some
unfortunately, trying to do with
frustrating about that, and just
is that a lot of people that are
interested in decentralized
to have financial freedom and
happening is people are, you
people that are interested in
Unfortunately, that's been
and a lot of people that are
space that are clearly trying to
their own ends. I think if you'd
bit to Worldcoin because Altman
also been trying to break into
they all see this kind of
have this financial
prominent, let's say and a lot
cryptocurrency. You know,
you could kind of, I suppose
financial system as we
that that's what I've noticed in
Reporting. But if you'd like I
Worldcoin because this is,
Thiel, because Peter Thiel and
close. When I was reporting on
of learned more about the
like they're very, very close
Thiel has brought Altman a
Bilderberg, for example.
you look at Founders Fund
has assisted the the rise of
very good friends. I don't know
all the time. But I think that
really critical to talk about
Sam Altman does. And I think
don't want to talk about these
out of touch with reality, but
Altman is proposing with
essentially proposing a number
people are interested in reading
Worldcoin is, I encourage it.
we can get everyone a world ID
which means there's proof that
we can have a cryptocurrency
all encompassing currency that
becomes prominent, and that if
can then distribute the winds or
through a UBI. Right, it sounds
direct people to my article, and
played down the UBI claims more
they're just trying to convince
irises so that they can get a
siphoned into this
essentially, what I'm saying is
people like Altman and other
interested in these types of
successful, they would force
of governance and how society or
Altman wants billions of people
billions of people sign up for
and Worldcoin becomes a
traditional financial structures
challenged in a critical way if
right. So to me what I'm seeing
actions, but through the actions
supported like Altman, is that
let's say, let's say it this way
effort to develop these projects
could overturn everything. I
real democracy in this Worldcoin
we live our lives with its
receive money through Worldcoin,
essentially saying our
center of society, literally the
center of money. They're
that really, no one on earth is
What's also happening with
aren't really being asked,
are being given free crypto to
if you have money, it's easy to
eyes and your weird orb thing.
off, for example, in Argentina,
money. So they know that if they
get about $50 of Worldcoin
don't try to use the system
Worldcoin has that and Worldcoin
their infrastructure. So they're
imposing themselves on people in
democratic. And I think that
and who a lot of these tech
actually interested in having
what the ramifications of their
They're essentially saying,
interest in this, hopefully this
able to expand our product and
whatever political gain comes
Yeah, I think that's a fair
that, you know, essentially, I
Whirlpool, and basically what
the sort of like the private
the same thing that like the UN
biometric digital ID,
digital wallet, which is like a
like the foundation of the whole
development goals and agenda,
don't, you know, if you're like,
quote, unquote, right, you don't
the NWO, etc, etc. But you'll be
sector entity pitching that, you
or offering that as a product.
digital ID stuff has been set
public private partnerships,
merged with another public
digital ID that's also sponsored
people in the UN, they push this
and the way they're going to
like this one global system of
in you know, wallet tied
it's going to be sort of like a
private sector vendors, but
harvested from that digital
goes with it can be exported
those formats can be exported
database somewhere. And I think
going to get and Worldcoin is
significant part of that at some
framing themselves, you know,
with whatever talking points
right. So I think that's why
from the UBI pitch that they had
that UBI people might be
Now, there's criticisms of UBI.
in this Thiel network, so they
you know, don't like that stuff,
all of these things. But you
part of the the play here. And I
in mind, digital ID is going to
this, it's going to seem like
public facing part is
where all the data goes and like
centralized. And there's so much
digital ID, but also in, in the
decentralized in name only. And
take all of the crypto
way. And I think what you
is very interesting, as far as
the dollar because PayPal has
stablecoin, dollar stablecoin
like Tether, USDT and USDC
was actually originally a Sam
his blog some time ago, the idea
stablecoin, that could be
it was emailed to Trump sec,
Minuchin, by Jared Kushner,
look, we should probably do
And, you know, as Justice
second term, you have all the
written about to be passed and
Committee, that's going to play
winners and losers of post
one of those figures, along with
written a lot of the legislation
example. And again, I think it's
Vance and his upcoming influence
consider that right off of the
convention, is the Bitcoin
speaking Erik Prince is having
around the same time you know,
going to be there. I will not be
not really not really sure if I
and also have some other reasons
definitely going to be
says about Bitcoin, it's very
effort to yoke Bitcoin to the US
functions like digital credit,
do a lot of things. But
these people, you know, there's
basically as a sink for us money
allowing, you know, quantitative
irresponsible central bank
you can just use Bitcoin as a
hyperinflation that would
opposed to actually being a you
you know, Central Bank,
fiscal irresponsibility, it's
enabler in the hands of these
anyone interested in these
Keep an eye on those things
would like to add about Pay Pal,
on, you know, some big Wall
head of city, during the 1990s
wanted to, you know, get into
surveilling people, you know,
finances because he was talking
and 90s. And saying, like, we
transactions, we know they're
even do, because like, you know,
blowing out their credit card,
they're able to surveil people
else. So the idea of, of that,
Peter Thiel and the other people
direct connection with
to them as they were setting up
you know, make that happen. And
dollar stablecoin and are poised
king made stablecoin of this new
to pay very close attention to
consider that all all the
today, all these different
different protegees in like
of these, you know, US law
different sectors. I mean, it's
the empire that these people
again, you know, Peter Thiel is
the PayPal crowd in general,
I know a lot of people love him,
intelligence contractor,
I don't know, need to stop
man. I don't know. If sometimes
propaganda for billionaires,
save us all and they're secretly
I don't know. Because it's, if
doing, that's not what they're
put out has sort of like
feel like to think that they're
esque figures. I mean, you see
really unsettling. Maybe they'll
he'll become a superhero now,
sorry, I got a little rambley
anything you'd like to add to
as it relates to either, you
stablecoins or you know,
Worldcoin stuff? Well, I think,
I guess one comment I have
you've said this before, but I
repeating is I do think a lot of
the dangers regarding something
central bank would be operating
centralized access, at least to
that money becomes programmable,
off or otherwise manipulate
increasingly starting to
I'm not saying we shouldn't be
I think unfortunately, it's it's
once these things are kind of
direction, like stablecoins, I
harder to convince people. Look,
private sector to be able to do
unfortunately, that's going to
point. And I think
not been driven home in the way
anybody who is thinking that
shouldn't be mistaken. I mean, I
problem is that I think
terms of finance, generally
things claimed to be
actually decentralized. And if
stuff is going to be rolled out
you've noted, a lot of
competing to capture, let's say,
what governments may or may not
dollar stablecoin or other
think unfortunately, some of
without critical discussion
find that to be a significant
of tech billionaires are kind of
vaguely like they're very aware
that's why a lot of effort has
digital financial
that that can give them a lot of
lot about it right now?
I think those are some good
probably best to maybe wrap up
for for a bit. Is there anything
topic?
I suppose my only real
people are portraying themselves
really critical to ask you know,
considering you know, J.D. Vance
establishment. Thiel has really
something worth pointing out is
number of media companies,
guess, Tucker, Carlson's new
when we see things like that, it
this type of how do I say this?
to what extent any of this can
seeing a lot of quote unquote,
completely uncritical of J.D.
there won't really be a lot of
appointment, considering Thiel
general, kind of, I don't want
say it that way. But it's
that people aren't really
they should. And it's the same
think a lot of people felt that
things with Twitter X. But the
a lot, right? And I think,
are blinded to that, because
stood up to the establishment.
are getting censored more on X
somebody portrays themselves as
twice. I mean, if there are
all we can really say is, look,
forward. I don't know. I am
that, to say the least. But
a great discussion.
Well, I can understand
think this particular
lot of money trying to influence
them, and to sort of paint them
if you look at what they do in
done, you know, that definitely
Musk goes, I think people need
wanted to buy Twitter, he said
means linking a government
account. And he also his goal is
done, it turned Twitter into X
says half of the financial
gobbled up obtaining all of
licensees, and now a majority of
time until they try and become a
there's been efforts to sort of,
people in independent media,
thing, which by the way, I do
a blue check against my will
I don't even have Twitter
Elon Musk chose to do to
that were critical of blue,
for it, just want to make that
that are, you know, on
media dependent on money from x
much money I'm making on X, you
speech and, you know, self
certain things that may not make
monetization, right. And also,
you as an influencer and then
you know, using x as some sort
which is ultimately the end goal
when you consider you know, we
this idea of like, linking your
all of that. It's very clear. I
something quite similar in that
consider the brain machine
spy contracts and all of that,
consider people to be very,
on there. And but I also think
is it has to do with the
can't really trust what we're
are so manipulated, we know that
years now, but at least 10
Musk is a good contractor for
how to manipulate Americans,
around the world on social media
the US Air Force in one, you
that the goal of the program was
media, like, you control drones,
like hypnotize people, I mean, I
think a lot of what we see on
the big competitor to Twitter,
Thiel essentially made, right? I
early out, outside investor, and
exist, right. So, um, you know,
perceptions. And so, you know,
there's the opinion of people,
algorithms. A lot of them are
just the US military alone, but
have also invested 10s of
highly sophisticated bots,
Altman, Elon has supercharged
manipulation machine. And I
be level headed and objective,
or who's an office or who's
you know, can be disheartened by
that is also by design, because
And remember, when Facebook was,
newsfeeds to try and manipulate
depressed, I think they tailor
user profile, and they
think is most effective for
think that's important to keep
listening, please take that to
between now and like the
like Be careful about your like
because again, it's there to
you successfully manipulate
people's behavior, which is
that's a big part of the Eric
is about how AI is ultimately a
and also to diminish us
dependent on AI and can't
you consider that Eric Schmidt
at Bilderberg, and all of these
the tools for that. And the AI
this is something that needs to
people need to take
these products and how they, you
social media or whatever. Not
maybe for some people, it is the
do that because of work,
fall in that category, at least
not be linking a government
ever. But you know, I think
stuff in mind. And because, you
perception manipulation going
like, in the first time Trump
all those polls from the
saying Hillary's gonna win 98%
Trump. You know, that was a
campaign, they do this stuff all
social media makes it easier
perception of Twitter acts as
Now everyone is free to talk,
at all. And if anything, the
than ever, because it's not like
is going to say no to the
sophisticated bots and their
that they've developed expressly
allow them probably to let them
previously, you know. So again,
to keep a level head these days
several your reporting has
that fight. And I definitely
your work. Very happy to have
hangout. Is there any well?
your work and support you?
Well, first of all, thank
the main thing I do, I do have x
for that. It's just my name. I
often, the more because I've
platform, but the main thing is
enjoy tweeting like I don't,
main thing So the main place
sub stack where I do publish, I
cover the intersection of
then I post my other reporting
rule a pax.substack.com. So
follow my work. Otherwise, I
or something. I should probably
that's a good place to find me.
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