1 00:00:19,080 --> 00:00:19,680 Hey there, you're 2 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:21,000 listening to Unlimited Hangout 3 00:00:21,030 --> 00:00:22,050 and I'm your host, Whitney Webb. 4 00:00:22,590 --> 00:00:24,150 Today we are going to talk about 5 00:00:24,150 --> 00:00:25,500 the latest quote unquote 6 00:00:25,500 --> 00:00:27,480 celebrity distraction, the 7 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,040 apparent meltdown of Kanye West 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:30,690 who now goes by the name of yay. 9 00:00:31,050 --> 00:00:32,760 While some may understandably 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:34,290 dismissed the entire situation 11 00:00:34,290 --> 00:00:35,880 as something meant to divert our 12 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:37,710 attention away from other more 13 00:00:37,710 --> 00:00:39,510 pressing topics, it seems to me 14 00:00:39,510 --> 00:00:40,440 that there is something much 15 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,360 deeper and concerning going on 16 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:43,830 here that does deserve our 17 00:00:43,830 --> 00:00:46,230 attention. For several years 18 00:00:46,230 --> 00:00:47,910 now, I have been reporting on 19 00:00:47,910 --> 00:00:49,080 the war on domestic terror 20 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:50,550 agenda, its origins, its 21 00:00:50,550 --> 00:00:52,050 evolution and the development of 22 00:00:52,050 --> 00:00:54,120 related policy, particularly 23 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:55,650 during the Trump administration. 24 00:00:55,650 --> 00:00:56,610 And now at the Biden 25 00:00:56,610 --> 00:00:58,530 administration. If you fully 26 00:00:58,530 --> 00:01:00,060 understand the domestic terror 27 00:01:00,060 --> 00:01:01,830 agenda, and its antecedents, as 28 00:01:01,830 --> 00:01:03,270 well as the role of the US 29 00:01:03,270 --> 00:01:04,590 national security state, 30 00:01:04,770 --> 00:01:06,630 historically and manufacturing 31 00:01:06,630 --> 00:01:08,310 terror threats, both at home and 32 00:01:08,310 --> 00:01:10,380 abroad, the entire situation 33 00:01:10,380 --> 00:01:11,610 with Kanye West starts to look 34 00:01:11,610 --> 00:01:13,260 very different. It also raises 35 00:01:13,260 --> 00:01:14,610 all sorts of other questions, 36 00:01:14,610 --> 00:01:15,810 some of which we will hopefully 37 00:01:15,810 --> 00:01:17,250 have time to broach today. 38 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,140 Joining me today to offer an 39 00:01:19,140 --> 00:01:20,730 overview of the domestic terror 40 00:01:20,730 --> 00:01:22,110 agenda and how it colors the 41 00:01:22,110 --> 00:01:23,790 current Kanye West situation is 42 00:01:23,790 --> 00:01:24,840 my friend and colleague, Ryan 43 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,790 Cristian, I'm sure most longtime 44 00:01:26,790 --> 00:01:28,920 followers of me and my work will 45 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:30,480 be very familiar with Ryan who 46 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:31,620 runs and as the founder of The 47 00:01:31,620 --> 00:01:33,570 Last American Vagabond, or TLAV, 48 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:34,740 Ryan and I have been 49 00:01:34,740 --> 00:01:36,120 collaborating specifically on 50 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:37,260 this issue of the domestic 51 00:01:37,260 --> 00:01:38,580 terrorist situation for years 52 00:01:38,580 --> 00:01:39,870 now. And we've done several 53 00:01:39,870 --> 00:01:41,280 videos over the years about this 54 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,020 agenda and how it has evolved. 55 00:01:43,170 --> 00:01:44,400 And it goes without saying there 56 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:45,540 is no one I would rather talk to 57 00:01:45,540 --> 00:01:46,920 you about these topics than him. 58 00:01:47,100 --> 00:01:48,360 So thanks for being here today, 59 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:49,320 Ryan, and welcome back to 60 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:50,070 Unlimited Hangout. 61 00:01:50,490 --> 00:01:51,720 My pleasure, always, always 62 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:52,410 happy to join you. 63 00:01:52,620 --> 00:01:53,730 So there's a lot of different 64 00:01:53,730 --> 00:01:55,440 points where we could start, but 65 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:56,580 I guess it makes the most sense 66 00:01:56,580 --> 00:01:58,380 to discuss first, you know, the 67 00:01:58,380 --> 00:02:00,960 whole situation with Kanye West, 68 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:02,340 how that's been unfolding. And 69 00:02:02,340 --> 00:02:03,750 then go and add the important 70 00:02:03,750 --> 00:02:05,130 context here about what is 71 00:02:05,130 --> 00:02:08,130 likely driving, the talking 72 00:02:08,130 --> 00:02:10,470 points being that are sort of 73 00:02:10,470 --> 00:02:11,820 driving public discourse around 74 00:02:11,820 --> 00:02:15,300 the whole insanity of Kanye West 75 00:02:15,300 --> 00:02:18,210 right now. And as of for those 76 00:02:18,210 --> 00:02:19,710 listening, we're recording on 77 00:02:19,710 --> 00:02:21,840 Friday, December 2, so the most 78 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,640 recent developments right now. 79 00:02:23,850 --> 00:02:25,230 And this whole situation around 80 00:02:25,230 --> 00:02:27,060 Kanye West is him being banned. 81 00:02:27,270 --> 00:02:29,010 Again, but this time on Twitter, 82 00:02:29,010 --> 00:02:30,990 but this time being banned by 83 00:02:31,020 --> 00:02:32,880 Elon Musk on Twitter, as opposed 84 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,650 to regular Twitter of 85 00:02:34,650 --> 00:02:37,620 yesteryear, and also his rather 86 00:02:37,620 --> 00:02:39,930 outlandish interview on the Alex 87 00:02:39,930 --> 00:02:42,540 Jones program. So I guess we can 88 00:02:42,540 --> 00:02:43,500 start with one of those two 89 00:02:43,500 --> 00:02:45,240 things. So what are your 90 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:46,440 thoughts on the latest there? 91 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:47,640 Ryan, we'll go from there. 92 00:02:47,940 --> 00:02:49,320 Well, it's interesting to see 93 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,090 how this is developed as, as of 94 00:02:51,090 --> 00:02:52,950 today in the second and you 95 00:02:52,950 --> 00:02:55,350 know, he so as peers, it's only 96 00:02:55,350 --> 00:02:57,540 a as it stands a limited 97 00:02:57,570 --> 00:02:58,710 suspension, you know, the 12 98 00:02:58,710 --> 00:02:59,880 hour countdown that we've all 99 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:00,720 experienced, where you're 100 00:03:00,780 --> 00:03:02,040 supposed to delete a tweet, I 101 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,660 guess, or punishment, we'll 102 00:03:03,660 --> 00:03:04,860 we'll see how that pans out by 103 00:03:04,860 --> 00:03:06,720 tomorrow. But the interesting 104 00:03:06,750 --> 00:03:08,430 point is where all this is 105 00:03:08,430 --> 00:03:09,870 developed, I think this really 106 00:03:09,870 --> 00:03:11,160 comes down to the core concept 107 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:12,600 of free speech, right, you know, 108 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,700 and really, the genuine concept 109 00:03:14,700 --> 00:03:16,020 of whether you're willing to 110 00:03:16,020 --> 00:03:17,160 defend the most appalling 111 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:18,960 speech. And if you're not, then 112 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,790 that's not free speech. And the 113 00:03:20,790 --> 00:03:22,620 problem is that today, we're 114 00:03:22,620 --> 00:03:24,270 seeing this, to your point in 115 00:03:24,270 --> 00:03:25,260 your opening there, which you 116 00:03:25,290 --> 00:03:26,670 you've been calling out for a 117 00:03:26,670 --> 00:03:27,990 very long time. And we've been 118 00:03:27,990 --> 00:03:29,340 covering this trends, this 119 00:03:29,340 --> 00:03:31,680 transition from, you know, hate 120 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:32,610 speech and medical 121 00:03:32,610 --> 00:03:34,050 misinformation, to the point to 122 00:03:34,050 --> 00:03:35,100 where now even with Biden's 123 00:03:35,100 --> 00:03:36,420 executive order, and so on, 124 00:03:36,510 --> 00:03:38,460 literally arguing words, or no 125 00:03:38,460 --> 00:03:40,350 violence, when a representative 126 00:03:40,350 --> 00:03:41,550 of Congress actually just spoke 127 00:03:41,550 --> 00:03:42,510 on the record, saying that, you 128 00:03:42,510 --> 00:03:43,980 know, sticks and stones now 129 00:03:43,980 --> 00:03:45,090 actually break your bones like 130 00:03:45,090 --> 00:03:46,170 they're literally making these 131 00:03:46,170 --> 00:03:47,370 childish arguments about how 132 00:03:47,370 --> 00:03:48,870 this is where we are. And so 133 00:03:48,870 --> 00:03:50,010 it's interesting now to see how 134 00:03:50,010 --> 00:03:51,600 this has developed. And I'm sure 135 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:52,890 it will talk about his interview 136 00:03:52,890 --> 00:03:54,240 with Alex Jones, and so on, but 137 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,040 to the point of today, where 138 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,010 he's now on Elon, Twitter, and 139 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,630 even the engagement by Elon, you 140 00:04:00,630 --> 00:04:01,830 can see how this develops. And I 141 00:04:01,830 --> 00:04:02,610 was looking through this this 142 00:04:02,610 --> 00:04:04,560 morning. So essentially, he 143 00:04:04,590 --> 00:04:06,900 posted a joking tweet saying 144 00:04:06,900 --> 00:04:08,190 this will be my last tweet. And 145 00:04:08,190 --> 00:04:09,660 it was like an image of Elon 146 00:04:09,660 --> 00:04:10,860 Musk being sprayed with a hose 147 00:04:10,860 --> 00:04:12,120 it looked really unbecoming, I 148 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,070 guess. And Elon under that said, 149 00:04:14,070 --> 00:04:15,690 That's okay. And then I'm 150 00:04:15,690 --> 00:04:16,800 assuming the next week, 151 00:04:16,950 --> 00:04:18,330 underneath of which Elon said 152 00:04:18,330 --> 00:04:20,130 that one's not okay, is the one 153 00:04:20,130 --> 00:04:21,180 that he got censored for, which 154 00:04:21,180 --> 00:04:23,340 is a Star of David with a 155 00:04:23,340 --> 00:04:24,570 swastika in the middle. And my 156 00:04:24,570 --> 00:04:25,860 point was, regardless of what 157 00:04:25,860 --> 00:04:27,300 your opinion is on that tweet, 158 00:04:27,510 --> 00:04:29,040 and the images and so on, 159 00:04:29,430 --> 00:04:31,140 images, and symbols are not 160 00:04:31,140 --> 00:04:32,460 violence. And this is what 161 00:04:32,460 --> 00:04:33,420 they're trying to force it and 162 00:04:33,420 --> 00:04:34,410 he was censored for that. And 163 00:04:34,410 --> 00:04:36,450 Elon used argued in the tweet 164 00:04:36,450 --> 00:04:37,920 back and back and forth, that 165 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,030 that was because he promoted 166 00:04:39,030 --> 00:04:40,800 violence. So this is brings us 167 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:41,940 to your main point here is that 168 00:04:41,940 --> 00:04:43,470 we're at a point now where even 169 00:04:43,470 --> 00:04:45,210 Elon Musk is still discussing 170 00:04:45,210 --> 00:04:46,470 how hate speech has gone down on 171 00:04:46,470 --> 00:04:48,750 the 2.0 everything platform, 172 00:04:48,750 --> 00:04:49,830 he's calling everything out but 173 00:04:49,830 --> 00:04:52,380 new Twitter app, and everyone 174 00:04:52,380 --> 00:04:53,490 seems to be promoting the idea 175 00:04:53,490 --> 00:04:55,380 that violence or words are 176 00:04:55,380 --> 00:04:56,910 violence and this affects people 177 00:04:56,910 --> 00:04:58,950 like us where it looked back to 178 00:04:58,980 --> 00:05:00,600 Biden's executive or Under where 179 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,070 they discuss things as domestic 180 00:05:02,070 --> 00:05:03,960 terrorism COVID Medical 181 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:05,430 misinformation, right? So this 182 00:05:05,430 --> 00:05:06,510 is where I'm most concerned is 183 00:05:06,510 --> 00:05:07,920 that this is clear that even 184 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,120 Elon Marino's that are not I 185 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:10,980 think he does is playing a part 186 00:05:10,980 --> 00:05:12,210 in this. And the right is 187 00:05:12,210 --> 00:05:13,380 seemingly holding them up as 188 00:05:13,410 --> 00:05:15,480 some of them as kind of a savior 189 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:16,380 of free speech. And that's 190 00:05:16,380 --> 00:05:17,400 clearly not what's happening 191 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,750 with Alex Jones with a with 192 00:05:19,020 --> 00:05:20,250 where are the doctors that are 193 00:05:20,250 --> 00:05:21,570 still censored and so on, right? 194 00:05:21,570 --> 00:05:22,590 So I'm sure we could take this 195 00:05:22,590 --> 00:05:23,790 1000 different directions, but 196 00:05:23,790 --> 00:05:24,720 that's what I think is most 197 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:25,470 pressing right now. 198 00:05:25,740 --> 00:05:28,500 So not let's forget everything 199 00:05:28,500 --> 00:05:29,610 else that's happened with Kanye 200 00:05:29,610 --> 00:05:30,750 West up until this point and 201 00:05:30,750 --> 00:05:32,010 just focus on the tweet that he 202 00:05:32,010 --> 00:05:36,060 was banned for. So before, in 203 00:05:36,060 --> 00:05:37,380 rather, in recent weeks, 204 00:05:37,950 --> 00:05:39,420 especially since Elon Musk took 205 00:05:39,420 --> 00:05:40,680 over the platform, there has 206 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,750 been a lot of pressure from the 207 00:05:42,750 --> 00:05:45,030 ADL, the anti Defamation League 208 00:05:45,030 --> 00:05:46,620 and its parent organization. But 209 00:05:46,620 --> 00:05:48,390 I prefer to have Twitter adopt 210 00:05:48,390 --> 00:05:51,270 the I HR a definition of anti 211 00:05:51,270 --> 00:05:52,950 semitism, which among other 212 00:05:52,950 --> 00:05:55,230 things, essentially, conflates 213 00:05:55,260 --> 00:05:59,160 anti Zionism and anti semitism. 214 00:05:59,490 --> 00:06:01,920 Yes. Which is very thorny, for 215 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,360 numerous reasons. One being that 216 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:07,830 if you criticize the State of 217 00:06:07,830 --> 00:06:09,330 Israel that can be deemed anti 218 00:06:09,330 --> 00:06:11,730 Zionism and thus, anti semitism. 219 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:13,470 Right. So it's sort of 220 00:06:13,470 --> 00:06:15,510 protecting criticism of a 221 00:06:15,510 --> 00:06:18,570 particular state. So if you, for 222 00:06:18,570 --> 00:06:20,610 example, point out, you know, 223 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,260 ethnic cleansing on the part of 224 00:06:22,260 --> 00:06:24,270 the Israelis against Palestine, 225 00:06:24,630 --> 00:06:27,060 and some people go to lengths to 226 00:06:27,060 --> 00:06:28,470 sort of compare how, 227 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:30,870 particularly the new government 228 00:06:30,870 --> 00:06:32,520 set to come to power in Israel 229 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:33,450 right now, where you have 230 00:06:33,450 --> 00:06:36,330 followers of Mayor Kahane, who 231 00:06:36,330 --> 00:06:39,540 openly call for completely 232 00:06:39,540 --> 00:06:41,970 eliminating Palestine, annexing 233 00:06:41,970 --> 00:06:43,260 it, and potentially deporting 234 00:06:43,260 --> 00:06:44,790 Palestinians outside of Israel, 235 00:06:44,790 --> 00:06:45,840 which is obviously an ethnic 236 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:46,980 cleansing campaign if it comes 237 00:06:46,980 --> 00:06:48,930 to pass. You know, if you 238 00:06:48,930 --> 00:06:50,070 compare that to things that 239 00:06:50,070 --> 00:06:52,860 happened in World War Two, how 240 00:06:52,890 --> 00:06:55,170 different you know, having 241 00:06:55,170 --> 00:06:56,520 banned Kanye West for this 242 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,830 particular image, that seems at 243 00:06:58,830 --> 00:07:00,330 least I didn't see the image, 244 00:07:00,330 --> 00:07:01,680 but the way it's been described 245 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,540 seems to imply that the State of 246 00:07:03,540 --> 00:07:06,480 Israel acts in a way that is, 247 00:07:06,510 --> 00:07:09,390 you know, has features of 248 00:07:09,420 --> 00:07:12,630 Nazism. Right, if you make sort 249 00:07:12,630 --> 00:07:13,800 of any of these more nuanced 250 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:14,850 arguments, will you be banned 251 00:07:14,850 --> 00:07:18,210 now, in the fact that Kanye West 252 00:07:18,210 --> 00:07:19,560 was banned for that particular 253 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,690 image, I think is a, it was a 254 00:07:21,690 --> 00:07:23,760 stepping stone, or could be a 255 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,230 stepping stone to Elon Musk, 256 00:07:25,260 --> 00:07:28,650 adopting the IH ra definition of 257 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,180 anti semitism on Twitter. 258 00:07:30,239 --> 00:07:31,439 Well, he's already pointed out 259 00:07:31,439 --> 00:07:32,849 that he's consulting with the 260 00:07:32,849 --> 00:07:34,439 ADL and other you know, thought 261 00:07:34,439 --> 00:07:36,059 leaders and stakeholders, as he 262 00:07:36,059 --> 00:07:38,129 puts it, right in the same, you 263 00:07:38,129 --> 00:07:39,539 know, in the conversation of how 264 00:07:39,539 --> 00:07:40,559 this will be regarded going 265 00:07:40,559 --> 00:07:41,819 forward. And so that mean that 266 00:07:41,849 --> 00:07:43,019 he publicly tweeted about that, 267 00:07:43,019 --> 00:07:44,519 so it's not surprising that he 268 00:07:44,519 --> 00:07:45,449 would kind of fall in line with 269 00:07:45,449 --> 00:07:46,649 that direction. But there's a 270 00:07:46,649 --> 00:07:47,819 lot of points to make in all 271 00:07:47,819 --> 00:07:49,019 this, you know, first of all, 272 00:07:49,019 --> 00:07:50,099 some people are pointing out, 273 00:07:50,189 --> 00:07:51,209 and rightly so, you know, the 274 00:07:51,209 --> 00:07:52,979 historical, the history, the 275 00:07:52,979 --> 00:07:54,179 history around these symbols, 276 00:07:54,179 --> 00:07:55,379 and how they're historically not 277 00:07:55,469 --> 00:07:56,729 what we think of them as today 278 00:07:56,729 --> 00:07:57,989 and how these symbols have been 279 00:07:57,989 --> 00:07:59,099 overlapped in the past and 280 00:07:59,099 --> 00:08:00,209 Buddhism, you know, whatever. 281 00:08:00,209 --> 00:08:01,229 But the bottom line is, as 282 00:08:01,229 --> 00:08:02,609 perceived today is how it's 283 00:08:02,609 --> 00:08:04,469 being focused on. But you know, 284 00:08:04,469 --> 00:08:06,539 the problem is that, to your 285 00:08:06,539 --> 00:08:08,039 point, I'm glad you brought that 286 00:08:08,039 --> 00:08:09,899 up the election, let's say, as 287 00:08:09,899 --> 00:08:11,069 Robert wrote about, wrote about 288 00:08:11,069 --> 00:08:12,269 for the last American vagabond, 289 00:08:12,629 --> 00:08:14,339 that the let's just take, for 290 00:08:14,339 --> 00:08:15,419 instance, the Jewish power 291 00:08:15,419 --> 00:08:16,979 party, right, where even the ADL 292 00:08:16,979 --> 00:08:18,299 will point out these people are 293 00:08:18,299 --> 00:08:20,039 racist, right, openly and even 294 00:08:20,039 --> 00:08:21,179 in the past have been deemed 295 00:08:21,299 --> 00:08:22,829 almost a terrorist level by some 296 00:08:22,829 --> 00:08:24,389 of these same people. Right? And 297 00:08:24,419 --> 00:08:26,369 these are this is the group that 298 00:08:26,369 --> 00:08:27,509 just got elected into power. And 299 00:08:27,509 --> 00:08:29,429 if you point out what the ADL 300 00:08:29,429 --> 00:08:30,569 says about these groups today, 301 00:08:30,569 --> 00:08:31,919 you're called racist. I mean, 302 00:08:31,919 --> 00:08:33,059 that's inherently count. That 303 00:08:33,059 --> 00:08:33,959 doesn't make sense, right? 304 00:08:33,959 --> 00:08:36,269 You're the bottom line is, it is 305 00:08:36,299 --> 00:08:37,979 when people are pointing out the 306 00:08:38,009 --> 00:08:40,109 Zionism aspect. Let's say it's a 307 00:08:40,109 --> 00:08:41,489 political party, but then you 308 00:08:41,489 --> 00:08:43,259 get called a racist for doing so 309 00:08:43,259 --> 00:08:44,489 because they act like oh, well, 310 00:08:44,489 --> 00:08:46,109 you're actually mean this. But 311 00:08:46,109 --> 00:08:47,459 see, there's the problem is that 312 00:08:47,579 --> 00:08:49,109 there is a world of conflating 313 00:08:49,109 --> 00:08:50,579 things. Exactly. And there is a 314 00:08:50,579 --> 00:08:51,959 world in which we're there are 315 00:08:51,959 --> 00:08:53,399 people like us that are actually 316 00:08:53,399 --> 00:08:54,659 pointing out the political 317 00:08:54,659 --> 00:08:56,399 agendas of a government, not 318 00:08:56,399 --> 00:08:57,449 necessarily an entire 319 00:08:57,449 --> 00:08:58,529 organization or a grouping of 320 00:08:58,529 --> 00:09:00,419 people, and they just the end, 321 00:09:00,509 --> 00:09:02,279 so anybody on us can point out 322 00:09:02,279 --> 00:09:04,319 that inside of that people with 323 00:09:04,319 --> 00:09:05,489 honest intentions will get 324 00:09:05,489 --> 00:09:06,809 wrapped into the argument of 325 00:09:06,809 --> 00:09:08,249 anti semitism. So that is 326 00:09:08,279 --> 00:09:09,389 obviously what's happening in 327 00:09:09,389 --> 00:09:11,639 part. And so today, when your 328 00:09:11,639 --> 00:09:12,899 point about him and adopting 329 00:09:12,899 --> 00:09:14,309 that, I think that's absolutely 330 00:09:14,309 --> 00:09:15,389 a given. I think that's already 331 00:09:15,389 --> 00:09:16,379 where it's going with what he 332 00:09:16,379 --> 00:09:17,909 just did. Right? You're you're 333 00:09:17,909 --> 00:09:20,669 arguing that this image is a 334 00:09:20,669 --> 00:09:22,379 violation and is violence. And 335 00:09:22,379 --> 00:09:23,129 that's kind of the same 336 00:09:23,129 --> 00:09:24,209 sentiment that's being spread 337 00:09:24,209 --> 00:09:24,629 there. 338 00:09:24,810 --> 00:09:26,490 Yeah. So my question is now 339 00:09:26,490 --> 00:09:27,960 after Kanye West gets banned for 340 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,930 that image, are people who point 341 00:09:30,930 --> 00:09:33,480 out the similarities between the 342 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,150 ethnic nationalism that's very 343 00:09:36,150 --> 00:09:37,500 extreme, being promoted by 344 00:09:37,500 --> 00:09:39,240 certain people set to take power 345 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,360 and Israel right now to ethnic 346 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,160 nationalists of the past of 347 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,850 great infamy. Is that is it will 348 00:09:47,850 --> 00:09:49,950 they be banned now? Regardless 349 00:09:49,950 --> 00:09:52,080 of their past actions? You know, 350 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,640 I don't know. But 351 00:09:53,670 --> 00:09:54,960 we'd be guessing but I would 352 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,190 argue yes, I would argue it's 353 00:09:56,190 --> 00:09:57,390 pretty clear based on where this 354 00:09:57,390 --> 00:09:58,710 is going, that that is going to 355 00:09:58,710 --> 00:10:00,360 be happening. It's Based on 356 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:01,950 again, the overlap with the EDL, 357 00:10:01,950 --> 00:10:03,420 but also the previous actions, 358 00:10:03,510 --> 00:10:04,410 but that's already been a 359 00:10:04,410 --> 00:10:06,270 standing situation on a lot of 360 00:10:06,270 --> 00:10:07,500 these platforms for a long time 361 00:10:07,500 --> 00:10:08,940 now, right? Like, that's just 362 00:10:08,970 --> 00:10:10,080 offensive, right? You're not 363 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:11,010 allowed to say these kinds of 364 00:10:11,010 --> 00:10:11,820 things. You're not allowed to 365 00:10:11,820 --> 00:10:13,230 have objective conversations and 366 00:10:13,230 --> 00:10:14,820 question the narratives about 367 00:10:14,820 --> 00:10:16,050 this, you know, or any number of 368 00:10:16,050 --> 00:10:17,340 things today, and I think that 369 00:10:17,340 --> 00:10:18,300 one's pretty clear. That's my 370 00:10:18,300 --> 00:10:18,870 opinion, though. 371 00:10:19,649 --> 00:10:20,789 Yeah. And I think it's gonna be 372 00:10:20,789 --> 00:10:24,209 very bad. If this develops into 373 00:10:24,569 --> 00:10:26,879 a situation where criticism of 374 00:10:26,879 --> 00:10:28,889 Israeli government policy, or 375 00:10:28,889 --> 00:10:30,959 Israeli intelligence becomes as 376 00:10:30,989 --> 00:10:32,999 an East answerable offense. I 377 00:10:32,999 --> 00:10:33,839 mean, obviously, that's going to 378 00:10:33,839 --> 00:10:35,009 be bad for people like you and 379 00:10:35,009 --> 00:10:36,029 me, but I mean, you've been 380 00:10:36,029 --> 00:10:37,049 kicked off Twitter how many 381 00:10:37,049 --> 00:10:41,099 times? I think, right. So um, 382 00:10:41,639 --> 00:10:42,569 you know, I mean, it's already 383 00:10:42,569 --> 00:10:44,249 complicated for for some of us, 384 00:10:44,249 --> 00:10:45,809 I'm, it's a miracle that mine 385 00:10:45,809 --> 00:10:46,739 still around, but I think it's 386 00:10:46,739 --> 00:10:47,729 because I don't tweet very 387 00:10:47,729 --> 00:10:49,619 often. At least, that's what I 388 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,719 what I assume it is. But you 389 00:10:51,719 --> 00:10:53,189 know, if that comes to pass, 390 00:10:53,189 --> 00:10:54,719 it's going to get very dicey to 391 00:10:54,719 --> 00:10:57,749 make criticisms of a country 392 00:10:57,749 --> 00:11:00,299 that is very influential in 393 00:11:00,329 --> 00:11:03,779 geopolitics and other, you know, 394 00:11:03,779 --> 00:11:06,089 situations globally, absolutely. 395 00:11:06,089 --> 00:11:08,189 Well outside of Israel, as well. 396 00:11:08,189 --> 00:11:09,569 So this is, um, 397 00:11:09,630 --> 00:11:10,770 they want to scare people away. 398 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:12,240 Right? Yeah, like so people 399 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:13,440 actually, then. And this is 400 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:14,850 what, and we know this, a lot of 401 00:11:14,850 --> 00:11:16,290 people, even independent media 402 00:11:16,410 --> 00:11:18,090 will self censor, whether we're 403 00:11:18,090 --> 00:11:19,320 talking COVID-19, whether we're 404 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:20,700 talking Israeli foreign policy, 405 00:11:20,700 --> 00:11:21,990 or US foreign policy, people 406 00:11:21,990 --> 00:11:23,280 will water down what they're 407 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:24,480 saying. So they can, you know, 408 00:11:24,540 --> 00:11:26,070 skirt, the algorithm, or however 409 00:11:26,070 --> 00:11:27,360 we defended today, and that's 410 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:28,800 exactly what they want from us. 411 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:29,700 And that's what that kind of 412 00:11:29,700 --> 00:11:31,320 statement does, you know, and we 413 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:32,520 should be able to objectively 414 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:33,600 have a conversation about 415 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,040 exactly these things. Even when 416 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:36,810 it comes down to the supremacist 417 00:11:36,810 --> 00:11:38,160 mentality of some of the people 418 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:39,300 in these countries because of 419 00:11:39,300 --> 00:11:40,410 the Zionist direction from this 420 00:11:40,410 --> 00:11:41,250 government. That doesn't mean 421 00:11:41,250 --> 00:11:42,510 everybody, right? It's the same 422 00:11:42,510 --> 00:11:43,680 point they make about Ukraine, 423 00:11:43,860 --> 00:11:45,030 right? I mean, it's obvious, you 424 00:11:45,030 --> 00:11:46,710 can see an overlap of very 425 00:11:46,710 --> 00:11:48,450 extremist mentality from the 426 00:11:48,450 --> 00:11:49,830 government down, and that has 427 00:11:49,830 --> 00:11:51,240 influenced a lot of people both 428 00:11:51,270 --> 00:11:52,260 were there originally. And that 429 00:11:52,260 --> 00:11:53,370 came from other places. But that 430 00:11:53,370 --> 00:11:55,020 doesn't mean every Ukrainian has 431 00:11:55,020 --> 00:11:57,150 X, Y and Z. Right? We have to be 432 00:11:57,150 --> 00:11:58,200 able to have these objective 433 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:59,580 conversations today. And that's 434 00:11:59,580 --> 00:12:00,450 exactly what they're trying to 435 00:12:00,450 --> 00:12:01,230 scare us away from. 436 00:12:01,470 --> 00:12:03,060 Yeah, well, I also think people 437 00:12:03,060 --> 00:12:04,560 because of how the Kanye West 438 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:06,150 situation has played out, most 439 00:12:06,150 --> 00:12:08,220 people are going to be focusing 440 00:12:08,220 --> 00:12:09,930 on the outlandish stuff, right? 441 00:12:10,140 --> 00:12:11,730 And I'm glad you said that the 442 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,490 aspects of it that actually 443 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,280 matter. And in this is troubling 444 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,170 to me. So for example, you know, 445 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,420 the most there was a three hour 446 00:12:21,420 --> 00:12:23,340 interview that Kanye West did 447 00:12:23,340 --> 00:12:25,800 with Alex Jones, the other day, 448 00:12:26,100 --> 00:12:30,270 and the most talked about, quote 449 00:12:30,300 --> 00:12:32,940 of Kanye is from that is where 450 00:12:32,940 --> 00:12:35,310 he appears to be praising 451 00:12:35,310 --> 00:12:38,100 Hitler, right? I'm not going to 452 00:12:38,100 --> 00:12:39,510 defend that, obviously. But what 453 00:12:39,510 --> 00:12:41,400 I am going to point out is that 454 00:12:41,610 --> 00:12:44,490 at the same time, we send how 455 00:12:44,490 --> 00:12:45,870 many billions of dollars to 456 00:12:45,870 --> 00:12:47,700 Ukraine to support people 457 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,150 fighting in that war, that 458 00:12:51,180 --> 00:12:53,100 praise Hitler much more in a 459 00:12:53,100 --> 00:12:54,900 much more overt and consistent 460 00:12:54,900 --> 00:12:56,850 way than Kanye West did on the 461 00:12:56,850 --> 00:12:59,400 Alex Jones program. Right? Um, 462 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,070 you know, it's it's, uh, that 463 00:13:02,070 --> 00:13:05,550 particular, you know, outrage, 464 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:07,860 type of outrage over that type 465 00:13:07,860 --> 00:13:10,770 of of rhetoric is either is only 466 00:13:10,770 --> 00:13:12,240 highlighted, in my opinion, when 467 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:13,650 it's, you know, serves a 468 00:13:13,650 --> 00:13:16,260 particular agenda. So I think 469 00:13:16,260 --> 00:13:17,310 you see sort of the self 470 00:13:17,310 --> 00:13:18,840 destruction of Kanye West here, 471 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,150 but I think it's also being used 472 00:13:21,150 --> 00:13:24,630 for other reasons, because, you 473 00:13:24,630 --> 00:13:25,860 know, like I just mentioned, 474 00:13:26,430 --> 00:13:29,280 Nazis in Ukraine are okay, but, 475 00:13:29,310 --> 00:13:31,110 you know, Nazis elsewhere. Not 476 00:13:31,110 --> 00:13:33,240 okay. And nationalism and 477 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:34,980 extreme ethnic nationalism is 478 00:13:34,980 --> 00:13:36,360 okay, in Israel, but as bad 479 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:37,410 everywhere else, 480 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,110 right. Right. And I think, oh, 481 00:13:40,110 --> 00:13:40,770 go ahead. Sorry. 482 00:13:41,070 --> 00:13:42,450 No, I just think these extreme 483 00:13:42,450 --> 00:13:43,860 double standards need to be 484 00:13:43,860 --> 00:13:47,370 scrutinized, because it's, you 485 00:13:47,370 --> 00:13:48,960 know, people can point out the 486 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:50,220 hypocrisy, but there's something 487 00:13:50,220 --> 00:13:52,470 else going on there. 200%. 488 00:13:52,530 --> 00:13:53,400 I mean, there's a lot of 489 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:54,690 different factors at play. But I 490 00:13:54,690 --> 00:13:56,250 think the important parts to 491 00:13:56,250 --> 00:13:58,020 include there for is, you know, 492 00:13:58,020 --> 00:13:59,550 obviously, as I made, I keep 493 00:13:59,580 --> 00:14:01,290 pointing out, regardless of your 494 00:14:01,290 --> 00:14:02,250 opinions about what he is 495 00:14:02,250 --> 00:14:03,420 saying, does he have a right to 496 00:14:03,420 --> 00:14:05,070 say these things? Obviously, if 497 00:14:05,070 --> 00:14:05,880 you don't defend the most 498 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:06,780 appalling of the speech, you 499 00:14:06,780 --> 00:14:07,770 don't believe in free speech, 500 00:14:07,770 --> 00:14:09,120 but we have a right to argue 501 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,260 that if you feel that way that 502 00:14:10,260 --> 00:14:11,880 he's wrong, or disgusting, or 503 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:12,810 whatever you may think, right, 504 00:14:12,810 --> 00:14:14,250 that's free speech. But what's 505 00:14:14,250 --> 00:14:15,660 interesting you point out there 506 00:14:15,660 --> 00:14:16,950 is, you know, there, and this 507 00:14:16,950 --> 00:14:18,600 is, people even criticize our 508 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:19,830 coverage of it from yesterday 509 00:14:19,830 --> 00:14:20,790 for the same reason, and it's a 510 00:14:20,790 --> 00:14:22,470 fair point. My point yesterday 511 00:14:22,470 --> 00:14:23,460 was more about defending the 512 00:14:23,460 --> 00:14:24,690 Free Speech aspect and going 513 00:14:24,690 --> 00:14:26,040 into the actual nuance of this 514 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,600 conversation. But since we're 515 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:28,590 talking about it, you know, 516 00:14:28,620 --> 00:14:29,640 there was a lot of things that 517 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,620 he said there that I would even 518 00:14:31,620 --> 00:14:33,120 argue my sense of this is it 519 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:34,890 feels like this is being set 520 00:14:34,890 --> 00:14:36,150 there, whether they know it or 521 00:14:36,150 --> 00:14:37,980 not to divide people in the 522 00:14:37,980 --> 00:14:39,120 actual conversation of free 523 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:40,380 speech, like always divide and 524 00:14:40,380 --> 00:14:42,360 conquer, but it's almost being 525 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,190 used to give objectivity a bad 526 00:14:44,190 --> 00:14:45,780 name. Right. And the point being 527 00:14:45,780 --> 00:14:46,980 is that he said, say, like, you 528 00:14:46,980 --> 00:14:48,330 know, we I love everybody, or 529 00:14:48,330 --> 00:14:49,170 there's good things to 530 00:14:49,170 --> 00:14:50,790 everybody. And I think that is 531 00:14:50,790 --> 00:14:51,870 almost meant overlap with 532 00:14:51,870 --> 00:14:52,980 Trump's comments about you know, 533 00:14:52,980 --> 00:14:54,270 good people on all sides kind of 534 00:14:54,270 --> 00:14:55,770 thing. But, you know, then he 535 00:14:55,770 --> 00:14:56,730 goes and says, you know, 536 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,170 specifics about you know, Hitler 537 00:14:58,170 --> 00:14:59,370 did this or whatever. And the 538 00:14:59,370 --> 00:15:01,740 point is that Do you it's when 539 00:15:01,740 --> 00:15:03,120 you highlight the one exact 540 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,010 point, you can make it seem far 541 00:15:05,010 --> 00:15:06,270 more radicalized than other, you 542 00:15:06,270 --> 00:15:07,260 know, whatever. But the bottom 543 00:15:07,260 --> 00:15:08,490 line is that he did say things 544 00:15:08,490 --> 00:15:09,720 that I personally disagree with. 545 00:15:09,930 --> 00:15:11,100 But it really doesn't matter 546 00:15:11,100 --> 00:15:11,880 because it comes down to the 547 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:12,960 fact that he has a right to say 548 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,580 them and words are not violence, 549 00:15:14,730 --> 00:15:16,320 right. But it's all being used 550 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:17,700 to drive a very clear direction. 551 00:15:17,700 --> 00:15:18,450 And I think it's meant to 552 00:15:18,450 --> 00:15:20,310 overlap with this whole. I would 553 00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:21,330 which I've called you know, the 554 00:15:21,330 --> 00:15:22,890 vanilla ISIS SIOP or creating 555 00:15:22,890 --> 00:15:24,720 the idea that these people are 556 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,040 exactly what many of them have 557 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:27,240 always thought they were because 558 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:28,770 of the propaganda. Now, I don't 559 00:15:28,770 --> 00:15:30,060 know if they know that or not. 560 00:15:30,150 --> 00:15:31,830 Right. But I that's happening. 561 00:15:32,669 --> 00:15:34,409 Yeah, so the whole vanilla ISIS 562 00:15:34,409 --> 00:15:36,989 thing is, you know, as we've 563 00:15:36,989 --> 00:15:37,829 talked about, and as I've 564 00:15:37,829 --> 00:15:38,909 written, you know, for your 565 00:15:38,909 --> 00:15:41,339 site, the war on domestic terror 566 00:15:41,339 --> 00:15:44,249 is basically that that is the 567 00:15:44,249 --> 00:15:45,989 narrative that it's vanilla ISIS 568 00:15:45,989 --> 00:15:48,539 meaning white people isis this 569 00:15:48,539 --> 00:15:50,339 time, right. And the narrative 570 00:15:50,339 --> 00:15:53,069 has been that it's anti semitism 571 00:15:53,099 --> 00:15:54,149 and anti semitic Trump 572 00:15:54,149 --> 00:15:56,609 supporters that are going to be 573 00:15:56,609 --> 00:15:57,959 the quote unquote, domestic 574 00:15:57,959 --> 00:16:01,079 terrorists. So at the same time, 575 00:16:01,079 --> 00:16:03,959 then you have the inter the 576 00:16:03,959 --> 00:16:06,059 cross pollination between these 577 00:16:06,059 --> 00:16:07,469 groups, Nazi groups that are 578 00:16:07,469 --> 00:16:09,119 being funded with us money and 579 00:16:09,119 --> 00:16:10,919 Ukraine, like the Azov battalion 580 00:16:10,919 --> 00:16:13,289 being the most well known. They 581 00:16:13,289 --> 00:16:14,579 cross pollinate with groups in 582 00:16:14,579 --> 00:16:16,499 the US and the FBI knows this. 583 00:16:16,859 --> 00:16:18,539 They've known it for years, and 584 00:16:18,539 --> 00:16:20,519 nothing is done about it. Right. 585 00:16:20,549 --> 00:16:23,129 Okay. So if you were familiar 586 00:16:23,129 --> 00:16:26,369 with the history of al Qaeda, or 587 00:16:26,369 --> 00:16:28,529 even the history of ISIS, which 588 00:16:28,529 --> 00:16:30,449 was sort of, you know, the 589 00:16:30,449 --> 00:16:32,249 second Middle East boogeyman 590 00:16:32,249 --> 00:16:35,189 that was, has similar roots, in 591 00:16:35,189 --> 00:16:38,729 a sense to al Qaeda, which, you 592 00:16:38,729 --> 00:16:40,049 know, the official narrative of 593 00:16:40,049 --> 00:16:41,399 that is complete bunk. You know, 594 00:16:41,399 --> 00:16:42,779 I think the easiest way for 595 00:16:42,779 --> 00:16:44,219 people to get a handle on that 596 00:16:44,219 --> 00:16:45,389 is to watch the recent 597 00:16:45,749 --> 00:16:47,429 documentaries that James Corbett 598 00:16:47,429 --> 00:16:49,559 has put out on the topic, if you 599 00:16:49,559 --> 00:16:51,209 want, you know, a crash course 600 00:16:51,239 --> 00:16:55,259 in that. But it's, you know, 601 00:16:55,289 --> 00:16:58,199 that was created for very 602 00:16:58,199 --> 00:17:00,179 specific purposes, ie the quote, 603 00:17:00,179 --> 00:17:01,679 unquote, war on terror. And the 604 00:17:01,679 --> 00:17:03,179 war on domestic terror is no 605 00:17:03,179 --> 00:17:04,379 different. Even going back to 606 00:17:04,379 --> 00:17:05,699 the Oklahoma City bombing, 607 00:17:05,729 --> 00:17:08,189 which, again, if you look at the 608 00:17:08,189 --> 00:17:10,079 actual events around that the 609 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:11,579 official story is bunk. There's 610 00:17:11,579 --> 00:17:12,899 no way Timothy McVeigh did that 611 00:17:12,899 --> 00:17:14,849 alone. There was involvement of 612 00:17:14,849 --> 00:17:16,259 other actors, but the narrative 613 00:17:16,259 --> 00:17:19,859 was dangerous. Veterans. 614 00:17:20,609 --> 00:17:23,429 militias are dangerous, you 615 00:17:23,429 --> 00:17:25,469 know, in these sovereign citizen 616 00:17:25,469 --> 00:17:27,059 movement, all that stuff, it was 617 00:17:27,059 --> 00:17:28,949 all sort of blamed on them. And 618 00:17:28,949 --> 00:17:29,969 there was an effort to create 619 00:17:29,969 --> 00:17:31,829 domestic terror legislation at 620 00:17:31,829 --> 00:17:33,269 that time, which was actually 621 00:17:33,269 --> 00:17:35,159 introduced by Joe Biden. And 622 00:17:35,159 --> 00:17:36,209 among other things, that 623 00:17:36,209 --> 00:17:38,099 particular piece of legislation 624 00:17:38,099 --> 00:17:39,539 wanted to give the President of 625 00:17:39,539 --> 00:17:41,489 the United States complete 626 00:17:41,849 --> 00:17:44,339 autonomous authority to declare 627 00:17:44,369 --> 00:17:46,409 what groups and what people in 628 00:17:46,409 --> 00:17:47,189 the United States are 629 00:17:47,189 --> 00:17:49,229 terrorists, right, like he has 630 00:17:49,229 --> 00:17:50,759 unilateral authority to declare 631 00:17:50,759 --> 00:17:52,349 that that was that bill, but 632 00:17:52,349 --> 00:17:54,149 Biden introduced. It didn't 633 00:17:54,149 --> 00:17:55,979 pass, obviously. But it's very 634 00:17:55,979 --> 00:17:57,089 interesting that you have Biden 635 00:17:57,089 --> 00:17:58,769 in power right now, when a lot 636 00:17:58,769 --> 00:18:01,169 of this stuff is coming to a 637 00:18:01,169 --> 00:18:01,679 head 638 00:18:01,830 --> 00:18:03,090 that his his executive order 639 00:18:03,090 --> 00:18:04,110 about domestic terrorism 640 00:18:04,110 --> 00:18:05,370 essentially, is his now he's 641 00:18:05,370 --> 00:18:06,270 president. Now. He just kind of 642 00:18:06,270 --> 00:18:07,320 writes it in as an executive 643 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:08,460 order at the same point, right. 644 00:18:08,490 --> 00:18:09,090 Oh, right. Well, 645 00:18:09,090 --> 00:18:10,500 that yeah, that tradition that 646 00:18:10,500 --> 00:18:11,700 sort of develop, especially 647 00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:13,860 since you know, the George W. 648 00:18:13,860 --> 00:18:15,570 Bush era, I'm just legislating 649 00:18:15,570 --> 00:18:17,190 through executive order. Yeah. 650 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:19,590 Yeah. So there's that President 651 00:18:19,590 --> 00:18:20,970 that where he could, you know, 652 00:18:20,970 --> 00:18:22,170 develop that really any way he 653 00:18:22,170 --> 00:18:23,250 wants? I mean, who knows, maybe 654 00:18:23,250 --> 00:18:24,450 that same type of policy will 655 00:18:24,450 --> 00:18:25,770 rear its head sooner rather than 656 00:18:25,770 --> 00:18:28,080 later. With with him as 657 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:28,920 president, you know, that 658 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,150 remains to be seen. But anyway, 659 00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:30,750 you know, you have that 660 00:18:30,750 --> 00:18:33,240 narrative being seated. Way back 661 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:34,920 in 1995. And since then, we've 662 00:18:35,340 --> 00:18:36,660 had these events that have, you 663 00:18:36,660 --> 00:18:38,700 know, really pops, you know, 664 00:18:38,730 --> 00:18:39,960 gotten a lot of mainstream media 665 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,590 coverage, like the the failure 666 00:18:43,620 --> 00:18:45,420 or the failed attempts to kidnap 667 00:18:45,540 --> 00:18:46,590 the governor of Michigan, 668 00:18:46,590 --> 00:18:48,180 Gretchen Whitmer, which is now 669 00:18:48,180 --> 00:18:49,200 basically been revealed to have 670 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,380 been like a FBI setup. Right. 671 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:54,570 And some of these other things 672 00:18:54,570 --> 00:18:55,890 like January 6, of course, and 673 00:18:55,890 --> 00:18:57,210 it's involved in the involvement 674 00:18:57,210 --> 00:18:58,530 of the FBI there and how they 675 00:18:58,530 --> 00:19:00,660 were being waved in and how 676 00:19:01,650 --> 00:19:02,640 people that I'm sure we'll talk 677 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:03,990 about again, today at DHS 678 00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:05,250 basically said this was going to 679 00:19:05,250 --> 00:19:07,890 happen a year before it did and 680 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,750 compared it to the next 911 We 681 00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:10,800 can't stop and it's going to 682 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:11,790 happen. And it's going to be 683 00:19:11,790 --> 00:19:14,280 like this before it happens. You 684 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:15,780 know, sort of like the new Pearl 685 00:19:15,780 --> 00:19:18,120 Harbor quotes that proliferated 686 00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:20,370 before 911. So, you know, if 687 00:19:20,370 --> 00:19:21,270 you're looking at the national 688 00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:23,220 security state, and all of this, 689 00:19:23,670 --> 00:19:25,230 the domestic terror narrative, 690 00:19:25,260 --> 00:19:28,140 if you've been following it, is 691 00:19:28,170 --> 00:19:30,060 definitely painting a very 692 00:19:30,060 --> 00:19:31,950 specific picture and has been of 693 00:19:31,950 --> 00:19:33,210 what an alleged domestic 694 00:19:33,210 --> 00:19:35,790 terrorist looks like. Right, 695 00:19:35,820 --> 00:19:37,710 right. And it seems like Kanye 696 00:19:37,710 --> 00:19:40,980 West, and you know, is being a 697 00:19:40,980 --> 00:19:42,120 he's also going around with Nick 698 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:44,310 Fuentes. Right? It looks to me 699 00:19:44,310 --> 00:19:45,060 that these are going to be the 700 00:19:45,060 --> 00:19:48,330 new poster child, children for 701 00:19:48,330 --> 00:19:49,500 that particular narrative, 702 00:19:49,530 --> 00:19:51,510 regardless of how true or not 703 00:19:51,510 --> 00:19:52,920 true that is. Yeah, 704 00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:54,810 yeah. No, I agree. And I And 705 00:19:54,810 --> 00:19:55,680 that's important that whether 706 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:56,670 they know it or not, because I 707 00:19:56,670 --> 00:19:57,630 think that's kind of one of the 708 00:19:57,630 --> 00:19:59,760 ways these kinds of plays work 709 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:00,960 today. A lot, you know, you 710 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:01,950 could take Trump, for example, 711 00:20:01,950 --> 00:20:03,270 like, I'm still debating on 712 00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:04,590 whether I feel like he's really 713 00:20:04,590 --> 00:20:06,180 aware of how he's being used in 714 00:20:06,180 --> 00:20:07,200 this, or he's completely 715 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,490 involved. And it could just be 716 00:20:08,490 --> 00:20:10,110 these people are being used 717 00:20:10,110 --> 00:20:11,340 social engineering everyone to 718 00:20:11,340 --> 00:20:12,300 discuss it, you know, they may 719 00:20:12,300 --> 00:20:13,440 not even realize they're playing 720 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:14,100 these bars. 721 00:20:14,670 --> 00:20:15,690 Yeah. So let's turn back to 722 00:20:15,690 --> 00:20:17,250 Kanye for a second. So the most 723 00:20:17,250 --> 00:20:18,450 interesting thing about this 724 00:20:18,450 --> 00:20:20,640 whole situation to me was when 725 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,890 he published those text messages 726 00:20:23,100 --> 00:20:24,870 between him and his parent, 727 00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:26,490 personal trainer, a guy named 728 00:20:26,490 --> 00:20:29,310 Harvey Pasternak. Yeah. Whose ex 729 00:20:29,340 --> 00:20:31,770 Canadian military intelligence, 730 00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:33,360 if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. Very 731 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:37,140 strange. Yes. And apparently, I 732 00:20:37,140 --> 00:20:38,160 forget where I read this, but 733 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:39,330 I'm going to try and find it to 734 00:20:39,330 --> 00:20:40,920 put it in the show notes. You 735 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,180 know, it's important to point 736 00:20:42,180 --> 00:20:44,460 out that, you know, MK Ultra, 737 00:20:44,460 --> 00:20:45,870 right, the program, I'm sure 738 00:20:45,870 --> 00:20:47,700 everyone's heard of it, that 739 00:20:47,700 --> 00:20:49,560 involves Canada and Canadian 740 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,030 intelligence to a significant 741 00:20:51,030 --> 00:20:52,590 degree. And the claim has been 742 00:20:52,590 --> 00:20:54,180 made that, you know, these 743 00:20:54,180 --> 00:20:56,730 programs continue to exist to an 744 00:20:56,730 --> 00:20:59,100 extent, maybe that's true. And 745 00:20:59,100 --> 00:21:00,870 you know, in the case of the CIA 746 00:21:00,870 --> 00:21:02,370 and groups like that, if they 747 00:21:02,370 --> 00:21:03,930 don't ever face accountability 748 00:21:03,930 --> 00:21:05,310 for something more likely than 749 00:21:05,310 --> 00:21:06,570 not, they'll continue to do it. 750 00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:09,870 Oh, yeah. But, you know, I can't 751 00:21:09,870 --> 00:21:10,860 really give you an absolute 752 00:21:10,860 --> 00:21:12,060 think it's continuous still, I 753 00:21:12,060 --> 00:21:13,890 think most people, you know, in 754 00:21:13,890 --> 00:21:15,690 the space that we work in, 755 00:21:15,690 --> 00:21:17,370 probably do. But again, I can't 756 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,430 provide direct evidence for 757 00:21:20,430 --> 00:21:22,380 that. Yeah. But this particular 758 00:21:22,380 --> 00:21:24,570 exchange of messages between 759 00:21:24,570 --> 00:21:27,090 Pasternak and Kanye West is 760 00:21:27,090 --> 00:21:28,620 quite revealing, because this is 761 00:21:28,620 --> 00:21:29,670 supposed to be a guy who's a 762 00:21:29,670 --> 00:21:32,010 personal trainer, which you 763 00:21:32,010 --> 00:21:33,660 would I think most people think 764 00:21:33,660 --> 00:21:34,980 of as the guy that like takes 765 00:21:34,980 --> 00:21:36,600 you to the gym and helps you'd 766 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,220 like work out. And what he's 767 00:21:38,220 --> 00:21:40,170 saying instead is, I don't like 768 00:21:40,170 --> 00:21:41,610 what you've been saying. So you 769 00:21:41,610 --> 00:21:43,140 can either have a conversation 770 00:21:43,140 --> 00:21:45,030 with me, or I'm going to have 771 00:21:45,030 --> 00:21:46,260 you institutionalized and 772 00:21:46,260 --> 00:21:47,580 drugged and send you back to 773 00:21:47,580 --> 00:21:49,440 Zombieland forever. Right? 774 00:21:49,470 --> 00:21:50,490 That's, that's not a trainer. 775 00:21:50,490 --> 00:21:51,300 That's a handler. 776 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,990 Yeah. So that's a pretty crazy 777 00:21:55,050 --> 00:21:59,760 exchange. Yeah, right. Um, and I 778 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,570 think, okay, so if, if he was 779 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,520 being, you know, handled or 780 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,500 whatever, or this Pasternak guy 781 00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:09,690 from some time, and spent times, 782 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,100 you know, the way it was written 783 00:22:11,130 --> 00:22:12,420 the message, he was basically 784 00:22:12,420 --> 00:22:14,130 saying, this had been done to 785 00:22:14,130 --> 00:22:17,310 Kanye before. Okay, I just want 786 00:22:17,310 --> 00:22:19,350 to say that since the situation 787 00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:20,640 started, and Kanye has come out 788 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,050 and been saying this stuff, 789 00:22:22,770 --> 00:22:24,150 there's no way this is a guy 790 00:22:24,150 --> 00:22:26,790 that is like, operating at 100%. 791 00:22:26,910 --> 00:22:28,890 Right now, if he's been through 792 00:22:28,890 --> 00:22:30,480 some sort of crazy, like, 793 00:22:30,750 --> 00:22:33,000 institutionalized drug thing, 794 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,590 and like all this other stuff, 795 00:22:35,070 --> 00:22:35,910 with people that have 796 00:22:35,910 --> 00:22:37,680 intelligence ties sort of 797 00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:40,230 handling him, you know, it's 798 00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:42,300 very likely that I don't really 799 00:22:42,330 --> 00:22:44,820 I think he's being used right 800 00:22:44,820 --> 00:22:45,300 now. 801 00:22:45,450 --> 00:22:47,670 I 100% agree with that. That, 802 00:22:47,670 --> 00:22:48,810 but I would, you know, and I 803 00:22:48,810 --> 00:22:49,860 know you would agree. I mean, we 804 00:22:49,860 --> 00:22:51,510 don't who couldn't say for sure 805 00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:54,420 whether he you know, he seems to 806 00:22:54,450 --> 00:22:55,890 know what he's saying. Like, if 807 00:22:55,890 --> 00:22:56,880 you just kind of watch his cut 808 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,800 his dialogue, though. Yeah. But 809 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,630 here's, here's my thing. Well, I 810 00:23:00,630 --> 00:23:02,100 just think if you're gonna if 811 00:23:02,100 --> 00:23:03,210 he's like, mess up like that, 812 00:23:03,210 --> 00:23:04,260 and you're trying to come out of 813 00:23:04,260 --> 00:23:06,180 it, who's the the people that 814 00:23:06,180 --> 00:23:07,320 are guiding him towards the 815 00:23:07,500 --> 00:23:09,870 answers that he's found? That he 816 00:23:09,870 --> 00:23:11,460 thinks explain his predicament? 817 00:23:11,460 --> 00:23:12,540 Right, who are the people who 818 00:23:12,540 --> 00:23:13,800 are surrounding him right now, 819 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,150 as he's having this meltdown? 820 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,220 It's a new group of people. Are 821 00:23:17,220 --> 00:23:18,510 these his new handlers? 822 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,040 Right? Yeah. I mean, that's 823 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,180 again, I don't I it's hard to 824 00:23:21,180 --> 00:23:22,530 say, but I think it's clear. 825 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,180 Now, we don't know. But I think 826 00:23:24,180 --> 00:23:25,830 it's worth pointing out because 827 00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:27,720 I don't think, you know, I think 828 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,370 they want someone like him out 829 00:23:29,370 --> 00:23:30,510 who's been through these 830 00:23:30,510 --> 00:23:32,070 experiences that maybe have 831 00:23:32,100 --> 00:23:35,490 given him, you know, problems. 832 00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:38,160 Right, and like acting, quote, 833 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,750 unquote, normally, and they want 834 00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:41,340 to push him out there. They want 835 00:23:41,340 --> 00:23:42,270 to give him specific 836 00:23:42,270 --> 00:23:44,400 information, and talking points 837 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:45,510 and have him make a fool of 838 00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:48,030 himself. Right? Yeah. If for 839 00:23:48,030 --> 00:23:50,850 example, Milo Yiannopoulos, or 840 00:23:50,850 --> 00:23:52,680 however you say his name, who I 841 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,210 think in Nick Fuentes, who were 842 00:23:54,210 --> 00:23:55,590 supposed to be like managing 843 00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:57,720 quote, unquote, Kanye West's 844 00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,880 suppose Id presidential 845 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,650 campaign, why would they not sit 846 00:24:01,650 --> 00:24:03,270 down with him and be like, if 847 00:24:03,270 --> 00:24:04,890 you want to actually do this? 848 00:24:05,070 --> 00:24:07,080 Why don't you make a well 849 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,020 reasoned case? For why the US 850 00:24:10,020 --> 00:24:11,640 Israel relationship is messed up 851 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,980 and needs to change? Well, yeah, 852 00:24:13,980 --> 00:24:15,120 I mean, from a political 853 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:16,410 standpoint, obviously, like if 854 00:24:16,410 --> 00:24:17,430 you're if you're actually trying 855 00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:18,450 to play the game, but what's 856 00:24:18,450 --> 00:24:19,110 interesting, but he's 857 00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:20,430 not trying to play the game, and 858 00:24:20,430 --> 00:24:21,540 neither are the people behind 859 00:24:21,540 --> 00:24:22,680 him. Exactly. Exactly. 860 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,930 Exactly. And what he's saying 861 00:24:25,020 --> 00:24:26,280 is, I mean, and it's important 862 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:27,750 to point out that even though 863 00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:28,800 you can argue he has a right to 864 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:29,850 say these things, there's 865 00:24:30,210 --> 00:24:31,800 endless examples of how they are 866 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,540 being completely broad brushed 867 00:24:33,540 --> 00:24:34,590 are saying, you know, there's 868 00:24:34,590 --> 00:24:35,460 points where you're he's saying 869 00:24:35,460 --> 00:24:36,630 Zionism, but there's also points 870 00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:37,860 where he's saying that Jewish 871 00:24:37,860 --> 00:24:39,330 people do this and so on. And 872 00:24:39,330 --> 00:24:40,980 you can't no honest person can 873 00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:42,150 stand by a statement like that. 874 00:24:42,150 --> 00:24:43,140 It's broad brushing no matter 875 00:24:43,140 --> 00:24:44,160 what group you're talking about. 876 00:24:44,190 --> 00:24:45,390 Sure. Right. And so I would 877 00:24:45,390 --> 00:24:46,500 argue again, with I agree with 878 00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:47,610 you, I think it's it's 879 00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:49,440 intentionally inflammatory to 880 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:50,280 the point that we're nobody 881 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:51,690 honest, can defend it. So I 882 00:24:51,690 --> 00:24:52,770 agree. I mean, that's why I feel 883 00:24:52,770 --> 00:24:53,700 the same way. I feel like this 884 00:24:53,700 --> 00:24:55,260 is a setup, whether they know 885 00:24:55,260 --> 00:24:56,280 that or not, and I agree with 886 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,150 you, I think that people will 887 00:24:57,150 --> 00:24:59,310 sign on alongside them. You 888 00:24:59,310 --> 00:25:00,330 know, these people aren't 889 00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:01,980 stupid, they're well aware of 890 00:25:01,980 --> 00:25:02,850 how these things are being 891 00:25:02,850 --> 00:25:04,230 subjectively presented, in my 892 00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:05,160 opinion. And I think you're 893 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,210 right. I think there's a reason 894 00:25:06,210 --> 00:25:07,770 to it. My point was, it's about 895 00:25:07,770 --> 00:25:09,360 the whole overlapping of words 896 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:10,590 and violence, which Elon Musk 897 00:25:10,590 --> 00:25:11,880 just made clear. Personally, I 898 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:12,390 think so. 899 00:25:13,260 --> 00:25:15,690 Yeah. So I am leaning towards 900 00:25:16,590 --> 00:25:18,480 the view that it is a setup. 901 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,880 And, you know, I think, 902 00:25:21,060 --> 00:25:23,130 obviously, there's no intent to 903 00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:24,570 actually have any sort of 904 00:25:25,620 --> 00:25:27,870 positive, productive, like 905 00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:29,460 nuanced discourse come out of 906 00:25:29,460 --> 00:25:31,080 this whole Kanye West situation. 907 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,010 And I think that's because of 908 00:25:32,010 --> 00:25:33,690 the people that have been in his 909 00:25:33,690 --> 00:25:37,410 circle since he sort of left the 910 00:25:37,410 --> 00:25:39,900 pastor neck orbit then and he's 911 00:25:39,900 --> 00:25:41,940 moved on, you know, to these 912 00:25:41,940 --> 00:25:43,560 other people who are around him 913 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:44,910 constantly in arranging these 914 00:25:44,910 --> 00:25:46,110 interviews for him that's not 915 00:25:46,110 --> 00:25:47,550 currently doing that himself. 916 00:25:47,580 --> 00:25:48,660 Right. Right. 917 00:25:49,140 --> 00:25:50,070 Well, I mean, it's important to 918 00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:52,020 look at the the trainer handler, 919 00:25:52,050 --> 00:25:53,070 you know, in the whole situation 920 00:25:53,070 --> 00:25:54,330 itself, even before this point, 921 00:25:54,330 --> 00:25:56,310 and just, you know, I mean, what 922 00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:58,260 kind of what person can can have 923 00:25:58,260 --> 00:26:00,630 you involuntary vault 924 00:26:00,630 --> 00:26:02,370 involuntarily committed, or 925 00:26:02,370 --> 00:26:03,990 argue that you'll be drugged if 926 00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:05,700 you do X, Y, and Z, like, that's 927 00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:07,260 not normal, even for somebody in 928 00:26:07,260 --> 00:26:08,310 that position with, you know, 929 00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:10,200 lots of money and so on. Like, 930 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,220 we just need to see that for 931 00:26:11,220 --> 00:26:12,060 what it is first, and then 932 00:26:12,060 --> 00:26:13,530 realize that from there, it's 933 00:26:13,530 --> 00:26:15,090 only gotten more intense, you 934 00:26:15,090 --> 00:26:16,350 know, so just something is going 935 00:26:16,350 --> 00:26:18,030 on like this is clearly and 936 00:26:18,030 --> 00:26:19,200 something's happening right now, 937 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,250 what that is we could all be 938 00:26:20,250 --> 00:26:21,660 guessing at, but it doesn't seem 939 00:26:21,660 --> 00:26:22,440 organic to me. 940 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:23,700 Yeah, I don't think it's 941 00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:24,780 organic, either. Because think 942 00:26:24,780 --> 00:26:25,920 about the early interviews he 943 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,720 was doing. And as this whole 944 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,670 situation has developed, the 945 00:26:29,670 --> 00:26:32,340 earlier ones, were very, very 946 00:26:32,340 --> 00:26:34,200 different than the one with Alex 947 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,640 Jones recently, right? Where 948 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,710 he's like, talking on an Elmo 949 00:26:37,710 --> 00:26:40,080 voice and like, has makeshift 950 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,520 Puppets and Stuff and he has a 951 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,020 ski mask on his face like he's a 952 00:26:43,020 --> 00:26:44,550 member of ISIS or so yeah. 953 00:26:44,610 --> 00:26:46,800 It's meant to be outlandish what 954 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,090 my question is, how did he get 955 00:26:48,090 --> 00:26:50,370 from their those early 956 00:26:50,370 --> 00:26:53,280 interviews? Yeah. Where it was 957 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,690 much more nuanced what he was 958 00:26:54,690 --> 00:26:55,980 saying, not necessarily like 959 00:26:55,980 --> 00:26:57,090 agree with everything, right. 960 00:26:57,300 --> 00:26:58,650 But it was much more nuanced 961 00:26:58,650 --> 00:27:00,630 compared to what was being said 962 00:27:00,630 --> 00:27:02,280 during the Alex Jones and a real 963 00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:04,710 Yeah, how has that evolution 964 00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:06,030 happened? Because he's been 965 00:27:06,030 --> 00:27:07,200 around these particular people, 966 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,050 Nick Fuentes, and Milo sorry, I 967 00:27:10,050 --> 00:27:11,460 tend to say Meelo sometimes 968 00:27:11,460 --> 00:27:12,870 because it's like the oval teen 969 00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:14,070 equivalent and Chile that my 970 00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:15,240 daughter is obsessed with. So I 971 00:27:15,930 --> 00:27:17,280 think it's important to point 972 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:18,990 out that, you know, that what, 973 00:27:19,020 --> 00:27:21,030 you know, again, this, who knows 974 00:27:21,030 --> 00:27:22,320 if it's organic or not, however 975 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,730 it is or not, I don't think it 976 00:27:23,730 --> 00:27:25,590 is, it's being used in a way 977 00:27:25,650 --> 00:27:26,880 that's obvious, right? Like, 978 00:27:26,910 --> 00:27:28,290 what they're showing you right 979 00:27:28,290 --> 00:27:29,880 there to me, is the pipeline, 980 00:27:29,910 --> 00:27:31,110 what they want you to think is 981 00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:32,490 the pipeline of radicalization, 982 00:27:32,490 --> 00:27:33,780 right? Here's what happens when 983 00:27:33,780 --> 00:27:34,920 you look at the right talking 984 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,510 points, you become more and more 985 00:27:36,510 --> 00:27:38,010 extreme. And the point is, I 986 00:27:38,010 --> 00:27:39,060 mean, I don't think it's 987 00:27:39,060 --> 00:27:40,800 organic. But just to play object 988 00:27:40,830 --> 00:27:42,360 objective on either side of 989 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:43,530 this, you could argue that this 990 00:27:43,530 --> 00:27:44,640 is a person who's gotten so 991 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,050 frustrated by the fact that 992 00:27:46,050 --> 00:27:47,880 nobody's hearing what he's out, 993 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,020 no one, everyone's out, you 994 00:27:49,020 --> 00:27:50,100 taking them out of context. And 995 00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:51,510 so he's become more and more, 996 00:27:51,570 --> 00:27:53,310 you know, everybody's okay. And 997 00:27:53,310 --> 00:27:54,690 I'm trying to be more like, I 998 00:27:54,690 --> 00:27:55,980 don't, that doesn't make sense, 999 00:27:56,010 --> 00:27:57,360 right? Because you don't end up 1000 00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:58,980 going to a point either he 1001 00:27:59,010 --> 00:28:00,090 thought these things from the 1002 00:28:00,090 --> 00:28:01,410 very beginning, and he was being 1003 00:28:01,860 --> 00:28:04,110 soft rolling them out or not 1004 00:28:04,110 --> 00:28:06,060 either way, right now, this is a 1005 00:28:06,060 --> 00:28:07,290 person who's making arguments 1006 00:28:07,290 --> 00:28:08,490 that are subjective in a lot of 1007 00:28:08,490 --> 00:28:09,750 different ways. You know, and 1008 00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:11,040 that is not an intelligent 1009 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,240 argument. You can't broad brush 1010 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,680 these things. So I ultimately 1011 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:14,880 think it's being like you're 1012 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:15,750 saying that there's something 1013 00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:16,950 coaxing this from behind right 1014 00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:18,810 now driving this interaction, 1015 00:28:18,810 --> 00:28:20,670 and it's causing exactly what 1016 00:28:20,670 --> 00:28:22,050 they want from a larger agenda 1017 00:28:22,050 --> 00:28:23,070 standpoint that yeah, I'm 1018 00:28:23,070 --> 00:28:24,570 calling out for three years. 1019 00:28:24,780 --> 00:28:25,770 Yeah, there's something I 1020 00:28:25,770 --> 00:28:27,420 definitely think at this point. 1021 00:28:27,450 --> 00:28:28,740 There's something behind this 1022 00:28:28,740 --> 00:28:30,300 evolution from point A to point 1023 00:28:30,300 --> 00:28:31,830 B with point A being the early 1024 00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:33,540 interviews and point B being the 1025 00:28:33,540 --> 00:28:37,620 Alex Jones kerfuffle. And what I 1026 00:28:37,620 --> 00:28:39,600 worry about now is what happens 1027 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,240 next. Right? Are they going to 1028 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,070 institutionalize him because 1029 00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:45,990 he's too crazy. There have been 1030 00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:47,820 calls for that on social media 1031 00:28:47,850 --> 00:28:48,930 people saying like, he looks 1032 00:28:48,930 --> 00:28:49,860 like he's going to shoot up a 1033 00:28:49,860 --> 00:28:51,900 mall and stuff for that he's 1034 00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:53,580 acting like a terrorist and 1035 00:28:53,580 --> 00:28:54,030 stuff. 1036 00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:55,410 Well see, this is where I want 1037 00:28:55,410 --> 00:28:56,760 to bring up the points what 1038 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:57,510 here's what's happening 1039 00:28:57,540 --> 00:28:59,040 simultaneously, is this right? 1040 00:28:59,070 --> 00:29:00,840 In Louisiana, a guy just got 1041 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,370 arrested under anti terrorism 1042 00:29:02,370 --> 00:29:04,740 laws for making a joke comparing 1043 00:29:04,740 --> 00:29:06,840 the COVID-19 process to zombie 1044 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,610 apocalypse, arrested under anti 1045 00:29:08,610 --> 00:29:09,930 terrorism laws. Now he got let 1046 00:29:09,930 --> 00:29:11,610 go. But the people that arrested 1047 00:29:11,610 --> 00:29:12,960 him got qualified immunity for 1048 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,400 some unknown reason. Nothing 1049 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,710 happened right in Germany. 91 1050 00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:17,820 people over the last so many 1051 00:29:17,820 --> 00:29:18,870 weeks, just got arrested, 1052 00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:21,150 interrogated for hate speech. So 1053 00:29:21,150 --> 00:29:22,620 there's this very clear shift. 1054 00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:23,940 Even me personally, like my 1055 00:29:23,940 --> 00:29:25,350 appeal for Twitter got denied 1056 00:29:25,380 --> 00:29:27,390 during this amnesty process. And 1057 00:29:27,420 --> 00:29:28,950 yet the new claim they gave me 1058 00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:30,420 was hateful conduct and 1059 00:29:30,420 --> 00:29:31,860 violence, but it was censored 1060 00:29:31,860 --> 00:29:33,510 under medical misinformation, as 1061 00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:34,830 you know, in the first place. So 1062 00:29:34,830 --> 00:29:36,210 there's clearly some kind of 1063 00:29:36,210 --> 00:29:37,980 shift happening about why you 1064 00:29:37,980 --> 00:29:39,780 know, into the words or violence 1065 00:29:39,780 --> 00:29:41,490 realm. That's where I see this 1066 00:29:41,490 --> 00:29:42,180 going. Now, if he is 1067 00:29:42,180 --> 00:29:44,070 institutionalized for this, it 1068 00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:45,540 will only divide things further, 1069 00:29:45,540 --> 00:29:46,470 it's going to dry. I mean, I 1070 00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:47,580 think what this has done, first 1071 00:29:47,580 --> 00:29:48,630 of all, is divided very 1072 00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:50,460 strongly, right down the center 1073 00:29:50,460 --> 00:29:51,600 of the Free Speech argument, 1074 00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:52,650 right? So now people are 1075 00:29:52,650 --> 00:29:54,150 divided, but it's going to cause 1076 00:29:54,150 --> 00:29:55,650 even more of that and it may 1077 00:29:55,650 --> 00:29:57,210 even create the very kind of 1078 00:29:57,210 --> 00:29:58,830 civil war mindset that people 1079 00:29:58,830 --> 00:30:00,300 are, you know, like that. We 1080 00:30:00,330 --> 00:30:02,250 know they're trying to initiate 1081 00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:03,840 to point out, I think I would 1082 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,070 argue I know I believe that's 1083 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,290 what I want to bring up to. And 1084 00:30:07,290 --> 00:30:08,310 what I want to drive home during 1085 00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:09,660 the course of this conversation 1086 00:30:09,690 --> 00:30:10,740 is that the war in domestic 1087 00:30:10,740 --> 00:30:13,200 terror as designed is a war 1088 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,110 based on pre crime. Right? You 1089 00:30:16,110 --> 00:30:17,040 and I've talked about this a 1090 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,990 lot. I reported a lot on this 1091 00:30:18,990 --> 00:30:20,670 starting in 2019, when William 1092 00:30:20,670 --> 00:30:21,990 Barr Attorney General under 1093 00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:23,730 Trump launched a pre crime 1094 00:30:23,730 --> 00:30:26,550 program. The justification for 1095 00:30:26,550 --> 00:30:27,810 that being things like the El 1096 00:30:27,810 --> 00:30:29,370 Paso shooting, which is I noted 1097 00:30:29,370 --> 00:30:30,540 in my previous reporting, at the 1098 00:30:30,540 --> 00:30:32,190 time at MIT Press, Bill Barr 1099 00:30:32,190 --> 00:30:36,180 seem to miraculously predict not 1100 00:30:36,180 --> 00:30:37,530 that long before it happened. 1101 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,690 And that, you know, basically, 1102 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,580 that event happens and then 1103 00:30:41,580 --> 00:30:43,770 manufactures consent for this 1104 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,390 policy that he was already 1105 00:30:45,390 --> 00:30:46,620 developing at the time, he made 1106 00:30:46,620 --> 00:30:49,230 this amazing prediction. And 1107 00:30:49,260 --> 00:30:50,340 then this program that came out 1108 00:30:50,340 --> 00:30:51,930 of it is called deep and then 1109 00:30:51,930 --> 00:30:54,030 around that same time, as you 1110 00:30:54,030 --> 00:30:56,220 and I have talked about before, 1111 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,680 Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner, 1112 00:30:58,710 --> 00:31:00,540 were pushing for the creation of 1113 00:31:00,570 --> 00:31:02,820 Harpa, the health DARPA, the 1114 00:31:02,820 --> 00:31:04,590 first program of which was going 1115 00:31:04,590 --> 00:31:06,690 to be called safe homes with 1116 00:31:06,690 --> 00:31:08,820 safe homes being a very long 1117 00:31:08,820 --> 00:31:10,350 acronym for something sorry, I 1118 00:31:10,350 --> 00:31:12,120 do not remember off the top of 1119 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,640 my head. But it was basically 1120 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,650 about data mining social media, 1121 00:31:16,860 --> 00:31:18,780 and using it using AI to 1122 00:31:18,780 --> 00:31:20,610 determine which accounts showed 1123 00:31:20,610 --> 00:31:22,770 quote unquote, early signs of 1124 00:31:22,770 --> 00:31:25,170 neuro psychiatric violence, with 1125 00:31:25,170 --> 00:31:27,150 the aim of stopping mass 1126 00:31:27,150 --> 00:31:28,800 shootings before they happen. 1127 00:31:28,980 --> 00:31:29,970 And a lot of these mass 1128 00:31:29,970 --> 00:31:31,290 shootings at the time were being 1129 00:31:31,290 --> 00:31:33,150 framed as the work of white 1130 00:31:33,150 --> 00:31:34,020 supremacist. 1131 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,180 It's an overlap of like social 1132 00:31:36,180 --> 00:31:38,160 credit with medical pre crime, 1133 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,810 regular pre crime, like I mean, 1134 00:31:40,050 --> 00:31:41,010 I just don't see how people 1135 00:31:41,010 --> 00:31:42,090 can't see how all of these 1136 00:31:42,090 --> 00:31:43,440 agendas are converging in like 1137 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,790 one exact point, right? Yeah. 1138 00:31:44,820 --> 00:31:46,230 And it's so alarming, so that 1139 00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:47,760 we have the Kanye West 1140 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,180 situation, being at this point 1141 00:31:51,180 --> 00:31:52,440 now, because of what's happened 1142 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,260 very much in line with the 1143 00:31:55,410 --> 00:31:57,300 changes at Twitter right now. 1144 00:31:57,660 --> 00:31:58,770 And then you think, you know, 1145 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,390 the fact that social media is a 1146 00:32:00,390 --> 00:32:02,070 key part of this whole war on 1147 00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:03,360 domestic terror thing, and that 1148 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,670 pre crime is a is a part of it, 1149 00:32:05,670 --> 00:32:08,340 and your speech is used to judge 1150 00:32:08,340 --> 00:32:10,770 you as to whether you may or may 1151 00:32:10,770 --> 00:32:12,540 not commit a violent crime in 1152 00:32:12,540 --> 00:32:14,940 the future. Based on the speech, 1153 00:32:14,940 --> 00:32:17,520 you are saying, all of this 1154 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:18,780 stuff needs to be considered 1155 00:32:18,780 --> 00:32:19,650 when we're talking about what's 1156 00:32:19,650 --> 00:32:21,360 developing with Kanye West. Now, 1157 00:32:21,630 --> 00:32:23,520 he is being made a fool of Yes. 1158 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,750 But he's also being made the 1159 00:32:24,750 --> 00:32:26,220 poster child for something 1160 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,160 right. And it is a model that is 1161 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,660 going to be used to justify what 1162 00:32:30,660 --> 00:32:32,250 happens to people after because 1163 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,170 Arpit Harpa. Under Trump didn't 1164 00:32:34,170 --> 00:32:36,540 happen. Yeah. But the same, the 1165 00:32:36,540 --> 00:32:39,690 exact same entity was created 1166 00:32:39,690 --> 00:32:42,210 under Biden. It's called ARPA H. 1167 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,280 Right? ARPA das Ah, but it's 1168 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,680 still the health. DARPA Harpa. 1169 00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:48,090 Yeah, they just moved the age to 1170 00:32:48,090 --> 00:32:49,980 the just last sort of pistons. 1171 00:32:50,490 --> 00:32:51,600 Yeah. And they framed it as 1172 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,100 being about cancer. Right. 1173 00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:55,050 Right. But the same people that 1174 00:32:55,050 --> 00:32:57,750 designed safe homes and Harpa 1175 00:32:57,780 --> 00:32:59,220 under the Trump administration 1176 00:32:59,820 --> 00:33:02,460 designed ARPA h, which is now 1177 00:33:02,460 --> 00:33:06,420 there, right? And, yeah, no, 1178 00:33:06,420 --> 00:33:07,680 went oh, I'll just leave it 1179 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:08,070 there. 1180 00:33:08,550 --> 00:33:09,510 Sorry. I was just laughing 1181 00:33:09,510 --> 00:33:10,980 because it's, you know, it was 1182 00:33:10,980 --> 00:33:12,300 such an obvious ploy to be like, 1183 00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:13,200 we made up something new and 1184 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,250 it's totally not Trump's thing. 1185 00:33:14,250 --> 00:33:15,390 It's a totally different word. 1186 00:33:15,390 --> 00:33:16,740 You know, it's, it's it's funny, 1187 00:33:16,740 --> 00:33:18,720 but But it's so alarming to me 1188 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,090 this overlap of, you know, what 1189 00:33:21,090 --> 00:33:21,960 you're what we're talking about 1190 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,280 here is not just pre crime, 1191 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:24,810 right? Because pre I mean, it is 1192 00:33:24,900 --> 00:33:25,920 pre crime about, you know, 1193 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,510 there's this person's violent 1194 00:33:27,510 --> 00:33:28,230 and going to commit a mass 1195 00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:29,370 shooting, but now we're seeing 1196 00:33:29,370 --> 00:33:30,360 it kind of blend with the 1197 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:31,560 medical pre crime, too, because 1198 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,060 they're framing this now as a 1199 00:33:33,060 --> 00:33:34,560 medical health crisis, right, 1200 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,020 these people, right, but it's 1201 00:33:37,020 --> 00:33:38,460 also overlap with COVID. Because 1202 00:33:38,460 --> 00:33:39,540 there's arguments about how this 1203 00:33:39,540 --> 00:33:40,560 can affect your mental health. 1204 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:41,610 And I've seen numerous studies 1205 00:33:41,610 --> 00:33:43,350 about this. So this is huge kind 1206 00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:44,730 of swinging thing that's 1207 00:33:44,730 --> 00:33:46,080 undefined until they decide to 1208 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,700 really define it about how just 1209 00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:48,960 there's this nebulous problem. 1210 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,460 And if people are predisposed to 1211 00:33:50,460 --> 00:33:51,660 violence that may make it worse. 1212 00:33:51,660 --> 00:33:52,920 And all these conversations are 1213 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,360 being had. I want to point out 1214 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,590 on top of the German thing, 1215 00:33:55,620 --> 00:33:56,640 Louisiana thing that I just 1216 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,410 mentioned, in New York City as 1217 00:33:58,410 --> 00:33:59,850 of the last week, they're now 1218 00:33:59,850 --> 00:34:00,690 arguing and I've really 1219 00:34:00,690 --> 00:34:02,010 concerning way that they're 1220 00:34:02,010 --> 00:34:03,300 going to start involuntarily 1221 00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:04,740 committing people, homeless 1222 00:34:04,740 --> 00:34:05,850 people they aren't they frame 1223 00:34:05,850 --> 00:34:07,110 it, because they're a threat to 1224 00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:08,310 themselves. If they're mentally 1225 00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:09,030 ill, and they're like, look, 1226 00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:10,470 it's a it's a misconception. 1227 00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:11,490 They need to be violent to be 1228 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,140 contented, detained. But what I 1229 00:34:13,140 --> 00:34:14,520 found really concerning is when 1230 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,450 you read through what they're 1231 00:34:15,450 --> 00:34:16,740 talking about, like the actual 1232 00:34:16,740 --> 00:34:18,090 legislation, or the the point 1233 00:34:18,090 --> 00:34:19,560 they're writing out, it doesn't 1234 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:20,790 really mention homeless people. 1235 00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:21,960 So they're using that as they 1236 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:22,830 frame it. Well, the homeless 1237 00:34:22,830 --> 00:34:24,120 people are concerned. But all it 1238 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,230 really translates to is we're 1239 00:34:25,230 --> 00:34:26,130 writing down that we have a 1240 00:34:26,130 --> 00:34:27,510 right to involuntarily detain 1241 00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:29,130 you if we decide you're a threat 1242 00:34:29,130 --> 00:34:30,360 to yourself. And this is all 1243 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,920 happening simultaneously. Right. 1244 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,270 So I think that's connected. And 1245 00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:34,320 I think that's what all of this 1246 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,640 is about. And you're right. And 1247 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,080 I think he's being set up as the 1248 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:37,770 poster child. 1249 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,650 Yeah. So well, so at the very 1250 00:34:40,650 --> 00:34:41,970 least, we've already covered a 1251 00:34:41,970 --> 00:34:44,640 lot of reasons why this does no 1252 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,070 good. This whole thing as it's 1253 00:34:47,070 --> 00:34:48,660 playing out right now and why 1254 00:34:48,660 --> 00:34:50,400 it's really bad. And so I want 1255 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,520 to turn right now to some of the 1256 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:54,570 other stuff that you and I have 1257 00:34:54,570 --> 00:34:55,770 talked about a lot and I sort of 1258 00:34:55,770 --> 00:34:59,070 mentioned earlier. Well, 1259 00:34:59,070 --> 00:35:00,000 actually a couple things. 1260 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,230 Thanks. So I want to talk about 1261 00:35:01,230 --> 00:35:03,900 this Lady Elizabeth Newman, who 1262 00:35:03,930 --> 00:35:04,830 you and I have talked a lot 1263 00:35:04,830 --> 00:35:06,930 about. But I also want to make 1264 00:35:06,930 --> 00:35:08,130 some time to talk about the anti 1265 00:35:08,130 --> 00:35:09,240 Defamation League, which is 1266 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:11,340 playing a big role in stuff 1267 00:35:11,340 --> 00:35:13,230 going on here and what the deal 1268 00:35:13,230 --> 00:35:15,540 is with them, and why it is so 1269 00:35:15,570 --> 00:35:17,880 bad. And why it's an awful idea 1270 00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:19,800 to have this be the organization 1271 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,210 that decides what's anti semitic 1272 00:35:21,210 --> 00:35:23,520 and what isn't. And to be 1273 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,320 involved in drafting free speech 1274 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:26,610 stuff, one of the reasons being 1275 00:35:26,610 --> 00:35:27,750 that it's essentially an 1276 00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:29,280 admitted by many objective 1277 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,320 sources, even it functions as a 1278 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,610 lobbying arm of Israel's 1279 00:35:32,610 --> 00:35:33,690 government. But there's other 1280 00:35:33,690 --> 00:35:34,860 reasons that I want to get into 1281 00:35:34,860 --> 00:35:36,660 about why it's not good to have 1282 00:35:36,660 --> 00:35:37,860 them in this particular role. 1283 00:35:39,150 --> 00:35:40,170 But first off, I want to talk 1284 00:35:40,170 --> 00:35:41,670 about Elizabeth Neumann. So I 1285 00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:42,720 know that you have the clip, and 1286 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:43,950 we can throw it in the show 1287 00:35:43,950 --> 00:35:45,840 notes. So Elizabeth Newman was 1288 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,610 testifying at this Senate 1289 00:35:47,610 --> 00:35:49,680 hearing, I believe, in February 1290 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,890 2020. And the the name of the 1291 00:35:52,890 --> 00:35:54,360 topic, or the name of the 1292 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:55,500 hearing, specifically was 1293 00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:57,060 confronting the rise in anti 1294 00:35:57,060 --> 00:35:59,220 semitic domestic terrorism. So 1295 00:35:59,220 --> 00:36:01,980 at this point, even in the 1296 00:36:01,980 --> 00:36:03,780 testimony, she the there's 1297 00:36:03,780 --> 00:36:06,300 really not that much evidence or 1298 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,330 examples of recent anti semitic, 1299 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:10,920 specifically anti semitic 1300 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,570 domestic terror. There was I 1301 00:36:12,570 --> 00:36:13,560 think, the Tree of Life 1302 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,480 synagogue shooting, and there 1303 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,610 was a lot of talk from a 1304 00:36:17,610 --> 00:36:19,140 particular Rabbi claiming 1305 00:36:19,170 --> 00:36:20,460 talking about cyberbullying of 1306 00:36:20,460 --> 00:36:22,770 his children. Yeah. So those two 1307 00:36:22,770 --> 00:36:24,090 things in and of themselves are 1308 00:36:24,090 --> 00:36:26,790 rarely enough to prompt a 1309 00:36:26,820 --> 00:36:28,380 congressional or Senate hearing, 1310 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:30,720 especially in a lot of the 1311 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:31,710 things that were referenced were 1312 00:36:31,710 --> 00:36:33,510 the spate of mass shootings in 1313 00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:34,860 2019, that were around the 1314 00:36:34,860 --> 00:36:36,930 William Barr situation I just 1315 00:36:36,930 --> 00:36:38,580 talked about, but none of those 1316 00:36:38,580 --> 00:36:40,290 were anti semitic. Right? They 1317 00:36:40,290 --> 00:36:41,520 were framed in the media as 1318 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:42,870 white supremacist. But that's 1319 00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:44,250 not the same thing, right? 1320 00:36:44,460 --> 00:36:45,630 And even necessarily very 1321 00:36:45,630 --> 00:36:46,530 subjective on the way they 1322 00:36:46,530 --> 00:36:47,880 framed these things to based on 1323 00:36:48,030 --> 00:36:49,470 their perceived points. 1324 00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:51,210 Yeah, so in this particular 1325 00:36:51,210 --> 00:36:52,350 Senate hearing, and then she did 1326 00:36:52,350 --> 00:36:56,940 another one in 2021, I think 1327 00:36:56,940 --> 00:36:58,260 when she wasn't part of the 1328 00:36:58,260 --> 00:36:59,520 Homeland Security, or I'm not, 1329 00:36:59,550 --> 00:37:00,990 I'll have to check up on that. 1330 00:37:01,470 --> 00:37:02,460 But she's been around in the 1331 00:37:02,460 --> 00:37:03,900 media and been a big voice, 1332 00:37:03,930 --> 00:37:06,960 claiming that Trump pours fuel 1333 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,160 on the fire of the white 1334 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,070 supremacist movement, and has 1335 00:37:11,070 --> 00:37:12,600 been setting a lot of narratives 1336 00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:14,850 about this for a long time. And 1337 00:37:14,850 --> 00:37:16,980 it's worth pointing out that 1338 00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:18,390 before she was in this DHS 1339 00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:19,380 position, she worked at the 1340 00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:21,240 Office of National Intelligence, 1341 00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:22,410 which is, you know, the Director 1342 00:37:22,410 --> 00:37:23,640 of National Intelligence is 1343 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,620 office. And of course, that 1344 00:37:25,620 --> 00:37:27,420 would be the person who is not 1345 00:37:27,420 --> 00:37:29,040 just who is basically in charge 1346 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,080 of all 18 US intelligence 1347 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,520 agencies. So the top spy in the 1348 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,350 country, the person that 1349 00:37:34,380 --> 00:37:36,630 ostensibly oversees the CIA, the 1350 00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:38,220 NSA and all this stuff. Yeah. So 1351 00:37:38,220 --> 00:37:39,180 just want to point that out, 1352 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,070 before we go any further. 1353 00:37:42,210 --> 00:37:43,710 Because it's, it seems pretty 1354 00:37:43,710 --> 00:37:46,020 important. So yeah, so she ended 1355 00:37:46,020 --> 00:37:47,670 up resigning in April claiming 1356 00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:49,350 that the Trump administration 1357 00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:52,140 and Trump is trying it is taking 1358 00:37:52,170 --> 00:37:53,460 taking steps that are making 1359 00:37:53,460 --> 00:37:56,340 domestic extremism flourish in 1360 00:37:56,340 --> 00:37:58,500 the US, and she voted for Biden, 1361 00:37:58,500 --> 00:37:59,400 and she's talking about all 1362 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,260 sorts of things to justify her 1363 00:38:01,260 --> 00:38:03,570 concerns. And she, she harps on 1364 00:38:03,570 --> 00:38:04,590 over and over again, about anti 1365 00:38:04,590 --> 00:38:05,880 semitic hate crimes, but again, 1366 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,110 doesn't really supply a lot of 1367 00:38:07,650 --> 00:38:09,030 examples about what those hate 1368 00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:13,470 crimes are, right. But in this 1369 00:38:13,530 --> 00:38:15,720 recurring theme that we've been 1370 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:17,430 seeing, it's all related. 1371 00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:19,260 There's so much focus, not just 1372 00:38:19,260 --> 00:38:20,400 from Newman, but other people 1373 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,100 like her that say similar things 1374 00:38:23,130 --> 00:38:25,320 on social media and social media 1375 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,210 censorship. So again, I want 1376 00:38:27,210 --> 00:38:28,200 people listening to this to 1377 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,820 understand that you can't really 1378 00:38:29,820 --> 00:38:31,380 divorce the war on domestic 1379 00:38:31,380 --> 00:38:34,560 terror in this whole you know, 1380 00:38:34,590 --> 00:38:37,170 creation of this new terror, 1381 00:38:37,170 --> 00:38:38,580 boogeyman, vanilla, ISIS, 1382 00:38:38,580 --> 00:38:41,490 whatever it is, it is now you 1383 00:38:41,490 --> 00:38:42,840 can't separate it from the 1384 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,760 social media discussion about 1385 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,880 censorship, or monitoring or 1386 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,730 whatever. So one of the things 1387 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,130 that we have focused on Neuman 1388 00:38:53,130 --> 00:38:54,960 for, is what I mentioned a bit 1389 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,480 ago, her prediction that another 1390 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,240 911 is building, and we can see 1391 00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:02,280 it coming, but we can't quite 1392 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,470 stop it. Meaning, you know, if 1393 00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:06,390 you're DHS, and he, you know, or 1394 00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:07,410 work with the intelligence 1395 00:39:07,410 --> 00:39:08,640 agencies that surveil the 1396 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,470 American public, if you see it 1397 00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:13,080 happening and can't stop it, you 1398 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,580 know, it, you're probably 1399 00:39:14,580 --> 00:39:15,960 letting it happen, or you're 1400 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,580 going to plant it and then let 1401 00:39:17,580 --> 00:39:21,480 it happen. You know, but yeah, I 1402 00:39:21,540 --> 00:39:22,980 they obviously would not admit 1403 00:39:22,980 --> 00:39:25,290 to that. But you know, it's a 1404 00:39:25,290 --> 00:39:26,670 very telling quote, because this 1405 00:39:26,670 --> 00:39:28,980 essentially comes to pass with 1406 00:39:28,980 --> 00:39:30,480 January sixth, not that much 1407 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,920 later. And then after you have 1408 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:32,850 Newman statements, you have 1409 00:39:32,850 --> 00:39:33,810 things like the transition 1410 00:39:33,810 --> 00:39:36,960 integrity project that predicted 1411 00:39:38,340 --> 00:39:39,810 January 6, again, before it 1412 00:39:39,810 --> 00:39:41,430 happened in the same timeframe, 1413 00:39:41,580 --> 00:39:42,750 basically saying something was 1414 00:39:42,750 --> 00:39:44,670 going to happen between Election 1415 00:39:44,670 --> 00:39:46,650 Day and Inauguration Day that 1416 00:39:46,650 --> 00:39:48,960 fits the same metrics, right? 1417 00:39:48,990 --> 00:39:50,430 Yeah. And one of the top people 1418 00:39:50,430 --> 00:39:51,480 at the transition integrity 1419 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,430 project was another former DHS 1420 00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:57,030 head, Michael Chertoff. So you 1421 00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:58,380 know, this is all worth paying 1422 00:39:58,380 --> 00:39:59,580 attention to when you consider 1423 00:39:59,580 --> 00:40:01,680 the Fed facts about January 6, 1424 00:40:02,610 --> 00:40:05,220 that there are videos of people 1425 00:40:05,220 --> 00:40:07,290 being waved in, and that it was 1426 00:40:07,290 --> 00:40:09,330 basically a setup to, you know, 1427 00:40:09,690 --> 00:40:11,250 create this whole narrative that 1428 00:40:11,250 --> 00:40:12,210 there's violent domestic 1429 00:40:12,210 --> 00:40:13,320 extremists that want to topple 1430 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:13,950 the government. 1431 00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:16,020 I 100% agree with that, that 1432 00:40:16,050 --> 00:40:17,460 January 6, was meant to be 1433 00:40:17,460 --> 00:40:19,020 something that could be used 1434 00:40:19,020 --> 00:40:20,430 that didn't, I argued the people 1435 00:40:20,430 --> 00:40:21,480 didn't take the bait on didn't 1436 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:22,890 bring guns didn't bring, you 1437 00:40:22,890 --> 00:40:24,330 know, we have the RE EPS point 1438 00:40:24,330 --> 00:40:25,440 about, you know, and it was very 1439 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,030 clear this was being coaxed or 1440 00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:28,260 we have people from Antifa 1441 00:40:28,290 --> 00:40:29,940 literally on video saying that 1442 00:40:29,940 --> 00:40:30,810 they tricked people to go 1443 00:40:30,810 --> 00:40:31,980 inside. And, you know, now 1444 00:40:31,980 --> 00:40:33,060 that's inciting the 1445 00:40:33,090 --> 00:40:34,530 investigation. Right. But 1446 00:40:34,530 --> 00:40:35,460 there's another point to make 1447 00:40:35,460 --> 00:40:36,960 here about about Joseph Newman. 1448 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,160 And this is the point we made 1449 00:40:38,490 --> 00:40:39,540 when we first discussed this. 1450 00:40:39,540 --> 00:40:40,830 And again, I'm Kevin, huge shout 1451 00:40:40,830 --> 00:40:42,210 out to the election special that 1452 00:40:42,210 --> 00:40:44,790 you you set up for us on T love 1453 00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:45,840 right that we did a three part 1454 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,160 on, I mean, just so prescient, 1455 00:40:47,220 --> 00:40:48,330 so many things in that were 1456 00:40:48,330 --> 00:40:50,520 clear that MIT came to pass him 1457 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:51,840 on COVID around all of this, I 1458 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:52,650 recommend gonna go back and 1459 00:40:52,650 --> 00:40:54,540 check that out. But we discussed 1460 00:40:54,540 --> 00:40:55,860 this. And the other point was, 1461 00:40:56,130 --> 00:40:57,540 even in the way she says that, 1462 00:40:57,540 --> 00:40:58,590 that we don't know how to stop 1463 00:40:58,590 --> 00:40:59,580 it. Well, if they're breaking 1464 00:40:59,580 --> 00:41:00,810 the law, then you'd be able to 1465 00:41:00,810 --> 00:41:02,580 stop them. Right. So the point 1466 00:41:02,580 --> 00:41:03,720 is, even as she made clear in 1467 00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:05,250 the discussion, these people 1468 00:41:05,310 --> 00:41:06,720 aren't breaking the rules. 1469 00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:07,740 They're just finding ways to 1470 00:41:07,740 --> 00:41:09,600 kind of wink wink, say what they 1471 00:41:09,630 --> 00:41:10,890 you know what we think they 1472 00:41:10,890 --> 00:41:12,750 mean, but they're not actually 1473 00:41:12,750 --> 00:41:13,860 violating the rules of social 1474 00:41:13,860 --> 00:41:15,180 media. And our argument is, we 1475 00:41:15,180 --> 00:41:16,200 don't know what to do with that. 1476 00:41:16,260 --> 00:41:17,760 So their argument is people 1477 00:41:17,790 --> 00:41:18,900 aren't breaking the law or 1478 00:41:18,900 --> 00:41:20,460 breaking the rules. But we think 1479 00:41:20,460 --> 00:41:21,720 we know what they really mean. 1480 00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:22,800 And we want to do something 1481 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:23,520 about that. So 1482 00:41:23,550 --> 00:41:25,320 you want new tools? That's part 1483 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,490 of her Spiel there. Yeah. 1484 00:41:26,490 --> 00:41:27,960 Meaning that they want to be 1485 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,670 able to go after people who are 1486 00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:30,780 saying things they think are 1487 00:41:30,780 --> 00:41:31,920 dangerous, but aren't breaking 1488 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:32,490 any laws? 1489 00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:34,500 Yes, exactly. Yes, exactly. And 1490 00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:35,190 that's where we see that 1491 00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:36,570 translate into today is that now 1492 00:41:36,570 --> 00:41:37,650 they're just going well, you 1493 00:41:37,650 --> 00:41:39,120 know, and again, obviously, 1494 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,530 Kanye is being inserted in this 1495 00:41:40,530 --> 00:41:41,790 with the things he said to make 1496 00:41:41,790 --> 00:41:43,170 the most extreme version of the 1497 00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:44,520 point. But you got people like 1498 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:45,330 us, they're gonna say, well, 1499 00:41:45,330 --> 00:41:46,740 here, the Israeli government, 1500 00:41:46,770 --> 00:41:49,080 just, you know, xy and z, this 1501 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,160 crime they committed, and then 1502 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,540 that gets translated to violence 1503 00:41:51,540 --> 00:41:52,770 against Jewish people, right. 1504 00:41:52,830 --> 00:41:54,150 And that's actually how this is 1505 00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:55,650 happening right now. And even it 1506 00:41:55,650 --> 00:41:56,460 doesn't mean that there isn't 1507 00:41:56,460 --> 00:41:57,600 actual violence or people that 1508 00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:58,800 actually commit crimes, but 1509 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,540 we're being conflated from a 1510 00:42:00,540 --> 00:42:02,160 hot, you know, from every 1511 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,420 possible conversation right now, 1512 00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:04,320 too. If you challenge the 1513 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,400 narrative, you're now a 1514 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:06,840 terrorist. And it's not that 1515 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:07,950 hard to see the connection with 1516 00:42:07,950 --> 00:42:09,090 Biden's executive order and 1517 00:42:09,090 --> 00:42:10,080 everything else we discussed. 1518 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:11,100 And it goes all the way back to 1519 00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:12,120 what she said right there. And 1520 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,050 it's all on the surface. 1521 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,420 Yeah. So now that we've 1522 00:42:15,420 --> 00:42:16,320 established the role of 1523 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,210 Elizabeth Newman here, and sort 1524 00:42:18,210 --> 00:42:19,050 of setting up this narrative, 1525 00:42:19,050 --> 00:42:20,160 she was one of the top people at 1526 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,140 DHS, by the way, when this was 1527 00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:23,640 going on the Assistant Secretary 1528 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,200 for counterterrorism and threat 1529 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,510 prevention at DHS sounds like 1530 00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:30,630 precrime right there. Yeah. So 1531 00:42:30,660 --> 00:42:32,340 where is she working? Now? She 1532 00:42:32,340 --> 00:42:34,020 is currently Chief Strategy 1533 00:42:34,020 --> 00:42:37,170 Officer for moonshots, which 1534 00:42:37,170 --> 00:42:39,240 again, remember, moonshot was 1535 00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:41,250 also the term that was used for 1536 00:42:41,250 --> 00:42:45,150 Biden for what is now ARPA H. 1537 00:42:45,690 --> 00:42:47,490 Yeah, the Cancer Moonshot. Oh, 1538 00:42:47,490 --> 00:42:49,650 that's ARPA h now, because he 1539 00:42:49,650 --> 00:42:50,430 friended about being about 1540 00:42:50,430 --> 00:42:51,390 cancer. But as I mentioned 1541 00:42:51,390 --> 00:42:53,280 earlier, the same the exact same 1542 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,800 initiative was about social 1543 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,420 media, pre crime, preventing 1544 00:42:57,450 --> 00:42:58,740 violent crime and shootings 1545 00:42:58,740 --> 00:43:00,840 before in terrorism right before 1546 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:01,710 that can happen, which is, 1547 00:43:01,710 --> 00:43:03,210 again, is an outgrowth of this 1548 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,400 stuff after 911 like total 1549 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:06,630 information awareness. Anyway, 1550 00:43:06,660 --> 00:43:08,640 we'll get to that later. But you 1551 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,080 know, the name is interesting. 1552 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,640 So what is moonshot? According 1553 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,560 to her bio, it is a social 1554 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,900 enterprise, working to end 1555 00:43:16,110 --> 00:43:18,420 online harms, including a 1556 00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:19,770 violent extremism, 1557 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,700 disinformation by applying 1558 00:43:23,730 --> 00:43:25,410 evidence, ethics and human 1559 00:43:25,410 --> 00:43:27,450 rights, whatever that means, on 1560 00:43:27,450 --> 00:43:33,330 the last part. And so let's look 1561 00:43:33,330 --> 00:43:34,890 at moonshot for a bit. So there, 1562 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,930 it's not moonshot.com. It's 1563 00:43:36,930 --> 00:43:40,260 moonshot team.com. If you want 1564 00:43:40,260 --> 00:43:42,240 to go and check these guys out. 1565 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,600 They are partnered with the UN, 1566 00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:48,390 Facebook, Google, the British 1567 00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:50,070 Home Office, the British 1568 00:43:50,070 --> 00:43:51,330 department for Homeland 1569 00:43:51,330 --> 00:43:53,250 Security, the Australian 1570 00:43:53,250 --> 00:43:55,470 Department of Home Affairs, and 1571 00:43:55,470 --> 00:43:56,820 the anti Defamation League. 1572 00:43:56,970 --> 00:43:59,160 Yeah. Welcome back to the ADL in 1573 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,850 a second. So this is a pretty 1574 00:44:02,850 --> 00:44:04,710 interesting company. I would 1575 00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:05,730 encourage people to go through 1576 00:44:05,730 --> 00:44:06,720 their sites, they have some 1577 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:08,250 pretty interesting case studies 1578 00:44:08,250 --> 00:44:11,130 that they highlight here. One is 1579 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,770 they were contracted by Facebook 1580 00:44:13,950 --> 00:44:15,510 to evaluate the performance of 1581 00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:17,520 their search redirect program in 1582 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,440 the US and Australia. So one of 1583 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:20,610 the first case studies they 1584 00:44:20,610 --> 00:44:22,080 profile on their website, this 1585 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,490 moonshot company, they say 1586 00:44:23,490 --> 00:44:24,720 moonshot was contracted by 1587 00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:25,830 Facebook to evaluate the 1588 00:44:25,830 --> 00:44:26,880 performance of their search 1589 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,680 redirect program in the US and 1590 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:29,910 Australia and make 1591 00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:31,410 recommendations for future 1592 00:44:31,500 --> 00:44:33,660 deployments. They claim that 1593 00:44:33,660 --> 00:44:35,340 they're that search redirect was 1594 00:44:35,340 --> 00:44:36,690 designed to combat violent 1595 00:44:36,690 --> 00:44:38,160 extremism in dangerous 1596 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,260 organizations by redirecting 1597 00:44:40,260 --> 00:44:43,830 users who have entered hate or 1598 00:44:43,830 --> 00:44:46,050 violence related search queries 1599 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,760 towards the education towards 1600 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,770 educational resources and 1601 00:44:49,770 --> 00:44:53,400 outreach groups. Yeah, so what 1602 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,070 did this actually look like? And 1603 00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:57,960 this is, by the way for people 1604 00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:58,650 interested if you go to 1605 00:44:58,650 --> 00:45:00,120 Facebook's website and look Look 1606 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,800 for the redirect initiative, you 1607 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,810 can find some more information 1608 00:45:03,810 --> 00:45:05,430 about it here and also about the 1609 00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:07,560 team up with moonshot. But 1610 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,680 people may remember not that 1611 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,120 long ago that Facebook, for 1612 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,220 example, was redirecting people 1613 00:45:14,220 --> 00:45:16,830 who like false Coronavirus 1614 00:45:16,860 --> 00:45:19,110 information to the World Health 1615 00:45:19,110 --> 00:45:20,760 Organization website that's part 1616 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,080 of this redirect initiative they 1617 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,220 were involved in. So it's not 1618 00:45:23,220 --> 00:45:24,660 just violent extremism. Yeah. 1619 00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:28,200 And then last May, Facebook 1620 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:30,270 announced that it was going to 1621 00:45:30,270 --> 00:45:32,580 take stronger action against 1622 00:45:32,580 --> 00:45:33,960 people who repeatedly share 1623 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,760 information on the platform. And 1624 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,070 part of that was going to be 1625 00:45:38,130 --> 00:45:40,020 that people who engage with the 1626 00:45:40,020 --> 00:45:42,870 post will be redirected to 1627 00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:45,780 something a more accurate source 1628 00:45:45,780 --> 00:45:47,130 on the topic. And this wasn't 1629 00:45:47,130 --> 00:45:48,450 just violent extremism. Yeah, 1630 00:45:48,450 --> 00:45:49,500 this was according to the 1631 00:45:49,500 --> 00:45:52,110 article COVID-19 vaccines of 1632 00:45:52,110 --> 00:45:53,730 COVID-19 in general, climate 1633 00:45:53,730 --> 00:45:55,800 change elections or other 1634 00:45:55,830 --> 00:45:58,020 topics. So right away, we can 1635 00:45:58,020 --> 00:45:59,610 see that this has nothing to do 1636 00:45:59,790 --> 00:46:01,380 with violent extremism 1637 00:46:01,380 --> 00:46:03,840 necessarily. This is being used, 1638 00:46:03,870 --> 00:46:06,090 you know, as a basically as a 1639 00:46:06,090 --> 00:46:09,930 hammer to go after go after 1640 00:46:09,930 --> 00:46:11,850 everything. But it's a it's 1641 00:46:11,850 --> 00:46:12,510 complicated. 1642 00:46:12,540 --> 00:46:13,650 Well, it's important to include 1643 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:14,940 the other angle to this right, 1644 00:46:14,940 --> 00:46:16,560 which is, and this is the this 1645 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:17,610 is where it's getting more and 1646 00:46:17,610 --> 00:46:19,350 more convoluted, and more and 1647 00:46:19,350 --> 00:46:21,000 more concerning for people like 1648 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:21,810 us who are just trying to 1649 00:46:21,810 --> 00:46:23,100 objectively converse about these 1650 00:46:23,100 --> 00:46:25,440 things is they've, it's, they 1651 00:46:25,470 --> 00:46:26,550 the way they've included these 1652 00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:27,630 things under the guise of 1653 00:46:27,630 --> 00:46:29,280 violence is now disinformation, 1654 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,390 as we've seen during COVID 1655 00:46:30,510 --> 00:46:33,000 equals violence or harm, which 1656 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,170 then is violence, right? 1657 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:35,760 Ultimately, you're scaring 1658 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:36,660 people away from taking the 1659 00:46:36,660 --> 00:46:38,070 injection, or you're scaring 1660 00:46:38,070 --> 00:46:39,180 people away from doing the right 1661 00:46:39,180 --> 00:46:40,170 thing about climate change, 1662 00:46:40,290 --> 00:46:41,490 whatever. And they argue that 1663 00:46:41,490 --> 00:46:42,660 translates to people dying, 1664 00:46:42,660 --> 00:46:43,530 therefore, you're now a 1665 00:46:43,530 --> 00:46:45,000 terrorist. And that's clumsy, 1666 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,200 but they're doing it. And that's 1667 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:47,100 why I feel like these are kind 1668 00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:48,840 of patched together. And by the 1669 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,430 way, there's also the info 1670 00:46:50,430 --> 00:46:51,900 interventions platform with 1671 00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:53,010 Google, which is like the same 1672 00:46:53,010 --> 00:46:54,030 exact thing. Have you seen that 1673 00:46:54,030 --> 00:46:56,250 one? It's, it's a new thing, but 1674 00:46:56,250 --> 00:46:57,150 it's the same thing. It's a 1675 00:46:57,150 --> 00:46:58,950 setup about redirecting people 1676 00:46:58,950 --> 00:47:00,240 and, you know, having things 1677 00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:01,200 show them about, you know, 1678 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,490 basically at this, what do they 1679 00:47:02,490 --> 00:47:04,170 call it the pre bunking? Right, 1680 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:05,310 if you heard them talk about 1681 00:47:05,310 --> 00:47:06,000 that, it seemed kind of 1682 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:07,710 one of the guys that was 1683 00:47:07,710 --> 00:47:09,570 involved in setting the stage 1684 00:47:09,570 --> 00:47:10,620 for that is actually one of the 1685 00:47:10,620 --> 00:47:12,300 cofounders of this moonshot 1686 00:47:12,300 --> 00:47:14,640 thing. Where's the Google? Yeah, 1687 00:47:15,090 --> 00:47:16,830 Google program to do this kind 1688 00:47:16,830 --> 00:47:19,230 of stuff. But anyway, so it's 1689 00:47:19,230 --> 00:47:21,600 not just big tech companies like 1690 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,250 Facebook. Yeah, it's also like 1691 00:47:23,250 --> 00:47:25,440 the US government. Here, they 1692 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:26,370 talked about one they did with 1693 00:47:26,370 --> 00:47:27,720 the State Department, where they 1694 00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:29,490 worked with the US Department of 1695 00:47:29,490 --> 00:47:31,380 State to create tests and build 1696 00:47:31,380 --> 00:47:34,080 capacity for comedic content in 1697 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,540 Malaysia. That was again use the 1698 00:47:36,540 --> 00:47:38,280 quote unquote, redirect method 1699 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,170 targeting audiences deemed at 1700 00:47:40,170 --> 00:47:41,700 risk of violence, Salafi 1701 00:47:41,700 --> 00:47:45,000 jihadist extremism. And then 1702 00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:46,860 other corporations aside from 1703 00:47:46,860 --> 00:47:48,240 the tech industry, teaming up 1704 00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:51,180 with Lloyds, a massive bank, 1705 00:47:51,660 --> 00:47:53,700 they selected moonshot to join 1706 00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:55,140 the Lloyds lab innovation 1707 00:47:55,140 --> 00:47:57,420 accelerator to help better 1708 00:47:57,420 --> 00:47:59,370 understand global geopolitical 1709 00:47:59,370 --> 00:48:01,410 risk. And then nonprofits and 1710 00:48:01,410 --> 00:48:02,640 the nonprofit Of course, who 1711 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:03,480 else would it be they're 1712 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:04,500 partnered with the anti 1713 00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:06,960 Defamation League to analyze us 1714 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,790 source search traffic in 1715 00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:10,380 response to the threats posed by 1716 00:48:10,380 --> 00:48:12,810 white supremacist narratives and 1717 00:48:12,810 --> 00:48:15,270 ideology in the US. And the 1718 00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:16,740 seventh month period, moonshot 1719 00:48:16,740 --> 00:48:19,980 recorded over 500,000 white 1720 00:48:19,980 --> 00:48:21,420 supremacist searches and 1721 00:48:21,420 --> 00:48:23,040 identified important trends that 1722 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,210 gave a fuller picture of the 1723 00:48:24,210 --> 00:48:26,220 threats posed to at risk 1724 00:48:26,250 --> 00:48:27,870 audiences by this online 1725 00:48:27,870 --> 00:48:29,760 community. Of course, the answer 1726 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,680 is more censorship. And 1727 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,180 interestingly, they focus a lot 1728 00:48:33,180 --> 00:48:35,760 of their attention on not the 1729 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,690 big platforms, but Gab, Telegram 1730 00:48:40,650 --> 00:48:44,550 VK outlet What's the truth, 1731 00:48:44,550 --> 00:48:47,970 social, and gather? And you 1732 00:48:47,970 --> 00:48:49,050 know, these other you know, 1733 00:48:49,050 --> 00:48:50,940 supposedly alternative ones bit 1734 00:48:50,940 --> 00:48:53,760 shoot? Who's on here? Yeah, 1735 00:48:54,420 --> 00:48:59,040 yeah. We chat. Also here, and 1736 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,320 they operate in 30 languages, 1737 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:02,490 and they operate in 60 1738 00:49:02,490 --> 00:49:05,340 countries. So this is a very 1739 00:49:05,340 --> 00:49:06,570 interesting group to look at, 1740 00:49:06,570 --> 00:49:08,670 they definitely deserve some 1741 00:49:08,670 --> 00:49:10,020 more of our attention. But a lot 1742 00:49:10,020 --> 00:49:13,440 of work is going on, to set up 1743 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,020 these continual narratives about 1744 00:49:16,020 --> 00:49:18,000 what constitutes violent 1745 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,770 extremism or domestic violent 1746 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,540 extremism. So if you look at 1747 00:49:21,540 --> 00:49:22,770 their most recent threat 1748 00:49:22,770 --> 00:49:25,410 bulletin, which was for October, 1749 00:49:26,010 --> 00:49:28,890 not so not that long ago. These 1750 00:49:28,890 --> 00:49:31,200 are the examples of the domestic 1751 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,480 violent extremist trends here. 1752 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,880 So claims of election fraud, 1753 00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:37,590 again, about 2020, or about the 1754 00:49:37,590 --> 00:49:40,200 recent midterms are endemic and 1755 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,030 DVE domestic violent extremist 1756 00:49:42,030 --> 00:49:44,460 spaces, prompting a high volume 1757 00:49:44,460 --> 00:49:45,810 of violent hostility towards 1758 00:49:45,810 --> 00:49:47,610 Democrat politicians. So if 1759 00:49:47,610 --> 00:49:48,870 you're really mad at the 1760 00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:51,600 Democratic Party, or you think 1761 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,150 they, you know, weren't exactly 1762 00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:56,070 fair with some stuff in terms of 1763 00:49:56,070 --> 00:49:58,620 the elections, election fraud 1764 00:49:58,620 --> 00:50:00,000 happens in the case to benefit 1765 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,290 But both parties depending on 1766 00:50:01,290 --> 00:50:02,400 which period of US history 1767 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:03,210 you're talking about, or 1768 00:50:03,210 --> 00:50:04,350 gerrymandering and all other 1769 00:50:04,350 --> 00:50:06,420 sorts of stuff, right? What was 1770 00:50:06,420 --> 00:50:07,650 the basis for that, though? 1771 00:50:07,650 --> 00:50:09,510 Like, I mean, that's what people 1772 00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:10,950 would think about the basis is 1773 00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:12,660 these halfhearted SIOP 1774 00:50:12,660 --> 00:50:14,580 narratives like January 6, or 1775 00:50:14,610 --> 00:50:16,650 cultural, the cultural does that 1776 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:17,700 say that correctly? Right? 1777 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:18,600 Hotel? I 1778 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:19,770 think I'm not sure how to say 1779 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:20,100 yes, 1780 00:50:20,310 --> 00:50:21,270 I'm saying correctly, the same 1781 00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:22,260 point about her being, you know, 1782 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:23,850 basically set up by the FBI. And 1783 00:50:24,060 --> 00:50:25,470 the point, the point is that 1784 00:50:25,470 --> 00:50:27,210 these aren't sound, right. 1785 00:50:27,210 --> 00:50:28,650 Where's the example of people 1786 00:50:28,650 --> 00:50:29,670 who are questioning the election 1787 00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:31,290 carrying out terrorist acts or 1788 00:50:31,290 --> 00:50:33,630 so on? Like I if they informed 1789 00:50:33,630 --> 00:50:34,920 me if I don't know about it, but 1790 00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:36,330 how can you make this gigantic 1791 00:50:36,330 --> 00:50:37,620 argument that people questioning 1792 00:50:37,620 --> 00:50:38,760 elections, you know, while 1793 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,050 ignoring the Democrats doing so 1794 00:50:40,050 --> 00:50:41,220 about the 2020, as I think you 1795 00:50:41,220 --> 00:50:42,990 just said, it's just it's just 1796 00:50:42,990 --> 00:50:45,660 silly. And ADL was inherently 1797 00:50:46,110 --> 00:50:48,210 anti free speech and biased. I 1798 00:50:48,210 --> 00:50:49,500 mean, very clearly, whether you 1799 00:50:49,500 --> 00:50:50,250 agree with them or not. 1800 00:50:50,490 --> 00:50:52,710 But I mean, this this bulletin 1801 00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:54,000 here, you know, this is 1802 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,950 involving top top people, 1803 00:50:55,950 --> 00:50:58,350 contractors to Silicon Valley, 1804 00:50:58,710 --> 00:51:00,720 and the government and groups 1805 00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:02,550 like the ADL. So, you know, I 1806 00:51:02,550 --> 00:51:03,360 want people to really pay 1807 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:04,290 attention to some of the stuff 1808 00:51:04,290 --> 00:51:06,120 that's in here. So it's not just 1809 00:51:06,540 --> 00:51:08,040 this claim claim of election 1810 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,350 fraud. You're inciting violence 1811 00:51:10,350 --> 00:51:11,730 against Democrat politicians? 1812 00:51:11,730 --> 00:51:13,140 Yeah. Here's some other 1813 00:51:13,140 --> 00:51:15,870 examples. For tracted Pay Pal 1814 00:51:15,870 --> 00:51:18,420 misinformation policy, sparks 1815 00:51:18,420 --> 00:51:19,680 violent sentiment. 1816 00:51:19,770 --> 00:51:22,500 Wow. I'm actually pretty 1817 00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:23,550 surprised about that. So the 1818 00:51:23,550 --> 00:51:23,880 fact 1819 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,190 that Pay Pal retracted their 1820 00:51:26,190 --> 00:51:27,450 misinformation policy, where 1821 00:51:27,450 --> 00:51:29,190 they're going to take $2,500 out 1822 00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:30,450 of your PayPal account, if they 1823 00:51:30,450 --> 00:51:31,800 decide you have misinformation 1824 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,560 that was even criticized by 1825 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,420 former top executives at pay, 1826 00:51:36,420 --> 00:51:40,980 pal. Yeah, that is deemed as 1827 00:51:41,010 --> 00:51:43,830 sparking violent sentiment. It 1828 00:51:43,830 --> 00:51:45,660 says violent threats and slurs 1829 00:51:45,660 --> 00:51:46,650 are being directed at the 1830 00:51:46,650 --> 00:51:49,020 company and its employees. So 1831 00:51:49,020 --> 00:51:50,970 again, incitement to violence, 1832 00:51:51,180 --> 00:51:52,860 and then also claims the policy 1833 00:51:52,860 --> 00:51:54,000 was developed in partnership 1834 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,470 with the anti Defamation League 1835 00:51:55,470 --> 00:51:57,390 or prompting anti semitism and 1836 00:51:57,390 --> 00:51:58,890 calls for violence against the 1837 00:51:58,890 --> 00:52:01,710 ADL. All right, we're not going 1838 00:52:01,710 --> 00:52:03,840 to stop there. Twitter being 1839 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,490 framed as a, quote, battleground 1840 00:52:05,490 --> 00:52:07,350 of extremist beliefs a space to 1841 00:52:07,350 --> 00:52:09,300 spread extremist views to quote 1842 00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:11,640 unquote, normies. Ilan must take 1843 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,320 over Twitter is being celebrated 1844 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,270 by domestic violent extremists. 1845 00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:16,140 Yeah, 1846 00:52:16,170 --> 00:52:17,430 yeah. I mean, let me I'll 1847 00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:18,480 comment anytime you want me to 1848 00:52:18,690 --> 00:52:19,320 every single one. 1849 00:52:20,100 --> 00:52:22,200 Well, the next one's a doozy 1850 00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:23,610 too. So if you want to just go 1851 00:52:23,610 --> 00:52:26,280 ahead and express your feelings. 1852 00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:30,750 Okay, run up to the midterm 1853 00:52:30,780 --> 00:52:33,000 witnesses first Q anon posts 1854 00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:35,370 since June. Yeah. But here's the 1855 00:52:35,370 --> 00:52:36,180 kicker. It's at the end of the 1856 00:52:36,180 --> 00:52:38,580 paragraph. In broader domestic 1857 00:52:38,580 --> 00:52:40,290 violent extremist spaces, 1858 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,540 reactions to the drops are more 1859 00:52:42,540 --> 00:52:44,340 mixed with many alleging that Q 1860 00:52:44,340 --> 00:52:46,440 anon is a quote, psychological 1861 00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,440 operation. Why? Oh, domestic, 1862 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,030 violent extremist, and Q anon is 1863 00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:52,980 a psyop. That's not good. How 1864 00:52:52,980 --> 00:52:54,420 does that they say, Isn't that 1865 00:52:54,420 --> 00:52:54,930 insane? 1866 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,010 Yeah, like BuzzFeed, like, 1867 00:52:56,010 --> 00:52:57,240 logically speaking. So you're 1868 00:52:57,240 --> 00:52:59,130 saying so these people are being 1869 00:52:59,130 --> 00:53:01,170 radicalized by Q Anon, which is 1870 00:53:01,170 --> 00:53:02,220 one of their arguments, but yet 1871 00:53:02,220 --> 00:53:03,720 people that don't believe it are 1872 00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:04,350 also being 1873 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,000 able to think it's a psyop? Or 1874 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,340 also, yes, yes. Good. 1875 00:53:08,340 --> 00:53:09,420 Let's just cover all the bases, 1876 00:53:09,420 --> 00:53:10,320 right. People that don't even 1877 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:11,370 know what exists are also being 1878 00:53:11,370 --> 00:53:11,880 radicalized. 1879 00:53:12,030 --> 00:53:13,680 You have to think it's real but 1880 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,730 bad. Yeah. It's, it's crazy, or 1881 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:18,900 Yeah, I don't know. 1882 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,880 I mean, we can laugh about it. 1883 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,230 Because there's no logic to that 1884 00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:23,430 you're just making it both sides 1885 00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:24,390 of the argument and saying, 1886 00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:25,680 Well, if it involves the queue 1887 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:26,550 discussion, you're being 1888 00:53:26,550 --> 00:53:28,170 radicalized. And it's, it just 1889 00:53:28,170 --> 00:53:29,100 doesn't make any sense. But at 1890 00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:29,910 the same point, with all of 1891 00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:30,990 this, you can play this game and 1892 00:53:30,990 --> 00:53:32,340 anything the EDL talks about, in 1893 00:53:32,340 --> 00:53:33,990 my opinion, sorry, go ahead. I 1894 00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:35,040 know you're thinking, here's the 1895 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:35,340 last 1896 00:53:35,340 --> 00:53:36,690 thing so we can bring everything 1897 00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:39,030 full circle. threats against the 1898 00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:40,470 Jewish community are at their 1899 00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:42,390 highest levels in six months, 1900 00:53:42,570 --> 00:53:44,760 increasing 29% compared to a 1901 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,370 three month baseline. So before 1902 00:53:47,370 --> 00:53:48,930 I go to the next part, they 1903 00:53:48,930 --> 00:53:50,160 don't provide any information on 1904 00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:51,180 how the threat level is 1905 00:53:51,180 --> 00:53:52,470 calculated, of course, or what 1906 00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:56,190 they deem threats to be. Or, you 1907 00:53:56,190 --> 00:53:58,140 know, what the amount of threats 1908 00:53:58,140 --> 00:53:59,370 actually is? Yeah, just the 1909 00:53:59,370 --> 00:54:01,410 highest in six months. Anyway, 1910 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:02,730 after that, it says coma, 1911 00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:06,030 peaking on October 17, following 1912 00:54:06,030 --> 00:54:08,220 a series of anti semitic social 1913 00:54:08,220 --> 00:54:09,900 media remarks by rapper Kanye 1914 00:54:09,900 --> 00:54:12,120 West. Of course, 1915 00:54:13,530 --> 00:54:15,360 to your point before it, there's 1916 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:16,170 plenty of things that are 1917 00:54:16,170 --> 00:54:17,370 wrapped up in the argument of 1918 00:54:17,370 --> 00:54:18,600 what's anti symmetric that are 1919 00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:20,670 provably not, at the very least 1920 00:54:20,670 --> 00:54:21,810 they like you said things that 1921 00:54:21,810 --> 00:54:23,970 are like even arguably not are 1922 00:54:23,970 --> 00:54:25,530 debatably, white supremacist, 1923 00:54:25,590 --> 00:54:26,730 but they call it that and then 1924 00:54:26,730 --> 00:54:28,170 it gets scooped up by the ADL 1925 00:54:28,170 --> 00:54:29,340 and this list. They don't really 1926 00:54:29,340 --> 00:54:31,050 define right? Not to be clear. 1927 00:54:31,050 --> 00:54:32,130 Are there any cement people 1928 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,210 obviously are there racist 1929 00:54:33,210 --> 00:54:35,100 people? Yes, that but to just 1930 00:54:35,100 --> 00:54:36,420 broad stroke all of these as 1931 00:54:36,420 --> 00:54:37,650 what they want them to be and 1932 00:54:37,650 --> 00:54:38,790 then not give you any metrics. 1933 00:54:38,790 --> 00:54:40,050 The point is, if you say these 1934 00:54:40,050 --> 00:54:41,400 things and go will prove what 1935 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:42,570 you're saying ADL, they call you 1936 00:54:42,570 --> 00:54:44,820 an anti Semite, right? It's the 1937 00:54:44,820 --> 00:54:46,110 same game. It says there's no 1938 00:54:46,110 --> 00:54:47,280 way to make these arguments or 1939 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,740 to try to defend or dispute what 1940 00:54:49,740 --> 00:54:51,060 they're saying. It's a game 1941 00:54:51,060 --> 00:54:52,080 that's being played and just 1942 00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,030 scooping anti to Kanye West kind 1943 00:54:54,030 --> 00:54:54,960 of makes our point, doesn't it? 1944 00:54:54,990 --> 00:54:56,100 This is being used. 1945 00:54:56,250 --> 00:54:58,290 Yes. It's definitely being used. 1946 00:54:58,320 --> 00:54:59,490 Yeah. Because why else would 1947 00:54:59,490 --> 00:55:00,930 this the These people like be 1948 00:55:00,930 --> 00:55:02,280 bringing it up and focusing on 1949 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:03,540 it, highlighting it out of the 1950 00:55:03,540 --> 00:55:05,460 biggest domestic terrorist 1951 00:55:05,490 --> 00:55:07,590 threats in the month of October, 1952 00:55:08,130 --> 00:55:11,220 a major contractor for multiple 1953 00:55:11,340 --> 00:55:13,380 governments of Silicon Valley, 1954 00:55:13,620 --> 00:55:15,570 and very powerful and heavily 1955 00:55:15,570 --> 00:55:16,590 funded quote, unquote, 1956 00:55:16,590 --> 00:55:17,460 nonprofits. 1957 00:55:17,490 --> 00:55:18,240 You know, what scares me the 1958 00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:20,130 most at this point is now just 1959 00:55:20,130 --> 00:55:21,270 hypothetically speaking, that 1960 00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:22,140 this would be the perfect 1961 00:55:22,140 --> 00:55:23,220 moment, if I were a an 1962 00:55:23,220 --> 00:55:25,290 intelligent apparatus to execute 1963 00:55:25,290 --> 00:55:26,640 some kind of a false flag to 1964 00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,950 justify the entire thing. And 1965 00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:30,720 say, This is what his words just 1966 00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:32,190 led to, there's your proof of 1967 00:55:32,190 --> 00:55:33,960 words lead to violence, and 1968 00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:35,280 everything spins out of control. 1969 00:55:35,310 --> 00:55:36,420 I hope that hasn't happened. But 1970 00:55:36,420 --> 00:55:37,680 that's where this seems to 1971 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:38,400 logically go. 1972 00:55:38,730 --> 00:55:40,230 Well, since you and I have been 1973 00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:41,940 watching this semester domestic 1974 00:55:41,940 --> 00:55:43,950 terror thing unfold, you know, 1975 00:55:43,950 --> 00:55:46,860 for a long time. You know, it 1976 00:55:46,860 --> 00:55:48,810 seems almost inevitable. It'll 1977 00:55:48,810 --> 00:55:50,460 happen at some point, but we 1978 00:55:50,460 --> 00:55:51,960 can't exactly pinpoint when it 1979 00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:53,010 will happen. I guess we're all 1980 00:55:53,010 --> 00:55:54,750 waiting for the next Elizabeth 1981 00:55:54,750 --> 00:55:56,670 Newman to say, we're seeing the 1982 00:55:56,670 --> 00:55:58,860 next January 6, and we're seeing 1983 00:55:58,860 --> 00:56:00,420 it build and we can't quite Stop 1984 00:56:00,420 --> 00:56:01,740 it until you give us the tools 1985 00:56:01,740 --> 00:56:03,450 to arrest people for pre crime, 1986 00:56:04,530 --> 00:56:05,130 which I would 1987 00:56:05,130 --> 00:56:06,090 argue they don't even need. The 1988 00:56:06,090 --> 00:56:07,050 next one was a new one. Because 1989 00:56:07,050 --> 00:56:08,940 that's what they need would be I 1990 00:56:08,940 --> 00:56:10,230 mean, to the point we always 1991 00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:11,130 make, too, it doesn't even have 1992 00:56:11,130 --> 00:56:12,300 to be manufactured. It could 1993 00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:13,950 just be some random thing that 1994 00:56:13,950 --> 00:56:14,700 happens. And they go 1995 00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:16,980 I know, I was joking, because I 1996 00:56:16,980 --> 00:56:18,210 know man tipped us off that 1997 00:56:18,210 --> 00:56:19,440 something was gonna come soon 1998 00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:19,860 about that. 1999 00:56:21,090 --> 00:56:22,650 Right. So I know, I knew I was 2000 00:56:22,650 --> 00:56:23,550 just building on that. But the 2001 00:56:23,550 --> 00:56:25,050 point being that ultimately, 2002 00:56:25,230 --> 00:56:26,550 that we're, everything's in 2003 00:56:26,550 --> 00:56:28,230 place, it doesn't even have to 2004 00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:29,610 be something that's created. It 2005 00:56:29,610 --> 00:56:31,050 could just be waiting Rahm 2006 00:56:31,050 --> 00:56:32,820 Emanuel styling, what never let 2007 00:56:32,820 --> 00:56:34,230 a good crisis go away. Suddenly, 2008 00:56:34,380 --> 00:56:35,730 this is what they want to be. 2009 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:36,630 Right. I mean, and that's, 2010 00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:37,770 that's the scariest part about 2011 00:56:37,770 --> 00:56:39,120 this is it's that simple. And 2012 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:40,230 people that already want to 2013 00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:41,640 agree with whatever they say is 2014 00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,140 racist will jump on that 2015 00:56:43,140 --> 00:56:44,430 bandwagon without even thinking 2016 00:56:44,430 --> 00:56:44,880 twice. 2017 00:56:44,940 --> 00:56:46,350 Yeah. Well, let's keep in mind, 2018 00:56:46,350 --> 00:56:47,490 too, that the rhetoric in this 2019 00:56:47,490 --> 00:56:49,290 country about things like race 2020 00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,900 and like white supremacy are 2021 00:56:51,900 --> 00:56:53,850 just like in some circles of the 2022 00:56:53,850 --> 00:56:55,200 country are completely divorced 2023 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,150 from reality. There is a segment 2024 00:56:57,150 --> 00:56:58,200 of the population that thinks 2025 00:56:58,200 --> 00:56:59,730 every Republican voter is an 2026 00:56:59,730 --> 00:57:00,210 oxy. 2027 00:57:00,330 --> 00:57:01,950 Yes. And literally thinks that 2028 00:57:01,950 --> 00:57:02,850 which is actually pretty 2029 00:57:02,850 --> 00:57:03,990 ridiculous that to your point, 2030 00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:06,060 it's absurd, and you're 2031 00:57:06,090 --> 00:57:07,680 disconnected from reality. It's 2032 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,000 absolutely, but it's not just 2033 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,050 Republicans either, right? I 2034 00:57:10,050 --> 00:57:10,920 mean, it's the same point they 2035 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:12,780 make about anybody who questions 2036 00:57:12,780 --> 00:57:14,580 vaccine efficacy, you're just 2037 00:57:14,580 --> 00:57:15,720 suddenly a terrorist all of a 2038 00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:16,500 sudden, sure. 2039 00:57:16,620 --> 00:57:18,780 Well, remember the story? I 2040 00:57:18,780 --> 00:57:19,740 don't know if other people do, 2041 00:57:19,740 --> 00:57:21,330 but I'm sure you do. Ryan and 2042 00:57:21,330 --> 00:57:23,970 2020. There were these claims 2043 00:57:23,970 --> 00:57:25,290 that white supremacist, we're 2044 00:57:25,290 --> 00:57:27,690 going to weaponize COVID. That's 2045 00:57:27,690 --> 00:57:29,100 right, become biosecurity 2046 00:57:29,100 --> 00:57:30,270 threat. All right, that they 2047 00:57:30,270 --> 00:57:32,040 were going to like Nazis were 2048 00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:32,970 going to start licking your 2049 00:57:32,970 --> 00:57:35,670 doorknob to give you it sounds 2050 00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:36,960 insane now, but these were real 2051 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,250 headlines back in 2020. 2052 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:39,330 I'm actually really glad you 2053 00:57:39,330 --> 00:57:40,710 brought that up that see this is 2054 00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:41,730 this is something you and I were 2055 00:57:41,730 --> 00:57:43,110 talking about. And and I still 2056 00:57:43,110 --> 00:57:44,760 think we're in on this track the 2057 00:57:44,790 --> 00:57:46,830 the overlap of the vanilla ISIS 2058 00:57:46,830 --> 00:57:47,850 and the COVID narrative, and we 2059 00:57:47,850 --> 00:57:48,720 were almost kind of there, 2060 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,580 right? It's just become, you 2061 00:57:50,580 --> 00:57:52,800 know, hate speech, 2062 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:53,940 misinformation from every 2063 00:57:53,940 --> 00:57:55,350 possible angle. So it's 2064 00:57:55,350 --> 00:57:56,310 interesting that that we, you 2065 00:57:56,310 --> 00:57:57,450 know, that was one of those 2066 00:57:57,450 --> 00:57:58,890 earliest predictions that that 2067 00:57:58,890 --> 00:57:59,880 was kind of going to overlap, 2068 00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:00,720 what I actually thought was 2069 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:01,620 going to happen was going to be 2070 00:58:01,620 --> 00:58:03,150 some kind of a bio attack blamed 2071 00:58:03,150 --> 00:58:04,770 on a foreign country working 2072 00:58:04,770 --> 00:58:05,880 with the maggot group, or blah, 2073 00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,560 blah, blah, just guessing, but 2074 00:58:07,590 --> 00:58:08,760 either way this pans out and 2075 00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:09,510 kind of leads in the same 2076 00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:10,830 direction. So very interesting. 2077 00:58:10,830 --> 00:58:11,490 I'm glad you brought that 2078 00:58:11,490 --> 00:58:13,260 up. So there's been some weird 2079 00:58:13,260 --> 00:58:14,790 overlap. And I think we've sort 2080 00:58:14,790 --> 00:58:15,720 of referenced this a little bit 2081 00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:16,980 earlier in the conversation how 2082 00:58:16,980 --> 00:58:18,180 there is this overlap between 2083 00:58:18,180 --> 00:58:19,530 quote unquote white supremacy 2084 00:58:19,530 --> 00:58:20,820 and quote unquote, the anti 2085 00:58:20,820 --> 00:58:22,770 vaccine movement or COVID-19, 2086 00:58:22,980 --> 00:58:24,630 you know, questioning the the 2087 00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:26,250 official narrative and there's 2088 00:58:26,250 --> 00:58:27,330 been articles like the one I 2089 00:58:27,330 --> 00:58:28,890 have up right now and so it's 2090 00:58:28,890 --> 00:58:30,870 called alt medicine but like all 2091 00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:32,460 spelled like all dash right, 2092 00:58:32,490 --> 00:58:34,650 it's like all dash medicine. And 2093 00:58:34,650 --> 00:58:36,000 the subtitle is how the far 2094 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,430 right weaponizes vaccine 2095 00:58:38,430 --> 00:58:42,570 hesitancy and it says all 2096 00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,250 medicine groups have managed to 2097 00:58:44,250 --> 00:58:45,960 monetize their opposition to 2098 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,060 COVID-19 vaccines. So now we've 2099 00:58:48,060 --> 00:58:49,530 got we've gone from all right to 2100 00:58:49,530 --> 00:58:51,330 all medicine, right, but they're 2101 00:58:51,330 --> 00:58:52,830 framing it in those same sorts 2102 00:58:52,830 --> 00:58:55,290 of metrics. And I think most 2103 00:58:55,290 --> 00:58:56,340 people like don't even 2104 00:58:56,340 --> 00:58:57,480 understand what all right is 2105 00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,010 supposed to mean and so here all 2106 00:58:59,010 --> 00:59:00,480 medicine are people that don't 2107 00:59:01,620 --> 00:59:04,110 necessarily believe the official 2108 00:59:04,620 --> 00:59:05,880 narrative and you're seeing you 2109 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:06,810 know, like these laws in 2110 00:59:06,810 --> 00:59:08,100 California for example, where 2111 00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:09,300 like, if you don't toe the line, 2112 00:59:09,300 --> 00:59:10,500 and you're a doctor, you're 2113 00:59:10,500 --> 00:59:13,530 like, screwed basically. So you 2114 00:59:13,530 --> 00:59:15,450 have to you know, the state 2115 00:59:15,450 --> 00:59:17,970 decides what is, you know, the 2116 00:59:17,970 --> 00:59:20,580 science basically, cannabis 2117 00:59:20,580 --> 00:59:21,870 similar this has happened, I 2118 00:59:21,870 --> 00:59:23,280 think, I think British Columbia 2119 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:24,960 passed passed or something to 2120 00:59:24,990 --> 00:59:26,700 build their hands. This 2121 00:59:26,700 --> 00:59:28,530 particular article accuses the 2122 00:59:28,530 --> 00:59:30,660 quote unquote, anti vaccine 2123 00:59:30,660 --> 00:59:33,210 movement and specifically refers 2124 00:59:33,210 --> 00:59:35,070 to people, organizations like 2125 00:59:35,070 --> 00:59:36,840 children's health defense, they 2126 00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:38,700 say they dab and extremist 2127 00:59:38,700 --> 00:59:42,060 hatred, including let's see. 2128 00:59:43,290 --> 00:59:44,790 Here's a here's a couple 2129 00:59:44,820 --> 00:59:46,290 sentences from this article. It 2130 00:59:46,290 --> 00:59:48,210 says, However, once the anti 2131 00:59:48,210 --> 00:59:50,010 mass protests of 2020 have 2132 00:59:50,010 --> 00:59:51,360 evolved into the anti 2133 00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,520 vaccination protests of 2021, 2134 00:59:53,730 --> 00:59:55,320 the far rate has managed to 2135 00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,600 successfully groom traditional 2136 00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,550 anti Vax communities, turning a 2137 00:59:59,550 --> 01:00:01,470 public health concern into a 2138 01:00:01,470 --> 01:00:03,540 political problem of far right 2139 01:00:03,540 --> 01:00:06,180 extremism. Wow, this anti Vax 2140 01:00:06,210 --> 01:00:07,830 anti government far right 2141 01:00:07,830 --> 01:00:10,590 nationalist protest. medley is 2142 01:00:10,590 --> 01:00:12,510 evident anywhere from Canada to 2143 01:00:12,510 --> 01:00:14,640 Australia, where COVID-19 Anti 2144 01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,410 lockdown protests have turned to 2145 01:00:16,410 --> 01:00:18,390 violence and conspiracy driven 2146 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,510 anti semitism. Wow. How does 2147 01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:23,550 that even get roped in? Because 2148 01:00:23,550 --> 01:00:24,840 they say in France, the 2149 01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:26,490 ubiquitous yellow stars used by 2150 01:00:26,490 --> 01:00:28,590 protesters to denounce that 2151 01:00:28,590 --> 01:00:30,000 unvaccinated status became a 2152 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,230 stark reminder of how the pain 2153 01:00:31,230 --> 01:00:32,400 of holographic Holocaust 2154 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:33,600 survivors can be easily 2155 01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,100 appropriated. But I'm sure they 2156 01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:36,270 want reference at various 2157 01:00:36,270 --> 01:00:38,340 Shirov. They're very outspoken 2158 01:00:38,340 --> 01:00:39,600 Holocaust survivor about the 2159 01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,240 parallels of what the civil 2160 01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:43,500 rights abuses that we saw on 2161 01:00:43,500 --> 01:00:44,910 COVID-19 with what she 2162 01:00:44,910 --> 01:00:46,860 experienced in her younger life. 2163 01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:49,080 So this is 2164 01:00:49,710 --> 01:00:50,790 a real quick, I mean, this is 2165 01:00:50,790 --> 01:00:52,200 the fundamental kind of like 2166 01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,240 juvenile, or maybe just 2167 01:00:54,270 --> 01:00:55,410 ignorance of the corporate 2168 01:00:55,410 --> 01:00:56,400 media, you're gonna 2169 01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,140 fundamentally choose to 2170 01:00:58,140 --> 01:00:59,430 misunderstand or actually 2171 01:00:59,430 --> 01:01:00,630 misunderstand the whole premise 2172 01:01:00,630 --> 01:01:01,410 of why they're wearing that 2173 01:01:01,410 --> 01:01:03,120 star, right? You just argue that 2174 01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:04,800 it's anti semitic, because 2175 01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,090 they're doing so. But their 2176 01:01:06,090 --> 01:01:07,620 entire point is that they are 2177 01:01:07,770 --> 01:01:09,390 the ones being persecuted. And 2178 01:01:09,390 --> 01:01:11,040 they're so essentially aligning 2179 01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:12,870 with the history of that idea. 2180 01:01:12,990 --> 01:01:13,980 Like it just it's 2181 01:01:13,980 --> 01:01:15,210 counterintuitive. Like they 2182 01:01:15,210 --> 01:01:16,320 don't, the point is their 2183 01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,000 audience doesn't care. They're 2184 01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:19,200 so dumbed down and willing to 2185 01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:20,280 gobble up whatever they put in 2186 01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:21,030 front of them. They don't even 2187 01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:22,770 realize their own point proves 2188 01:01:22,770 --> 01:01:24,180 that they're wrong. I just think 2189 01:01:24,180 --> 01:01:25,050 that's incredible. It's it's a 2190 01:01:25,050 --> 01:01:25,950 little microcosm of the 2191 01:01:25,950 --> 01:01:26,880 conversation. But 2192 01:01:26,910 --> 01:01:28,290 yeah, but if you're looking at 2193 01:01:28,290 --> 01:01:29,400 this on the broader agenda, you 2194 01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:30,510 see how the war on domestic 2195 01:01:30,510 --> 01:01:32,010 terror is not about white 2196 01:01:32,010 --> 01:01:33,120 supremacism like you've been 2197 01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:34,410 told. And it's not about anti 2198 01:01:34,410 --> 01:01:35,490 semitism, like they'd like to 2199 01:01:35,490 --> 01:01:37,680 say it's really they'll look for 2200 01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,060 Anyway, like this rather 2201 01:01:39,060 --> 01:01:41,040 creative quote unquote, article, 2202 01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,540 I was just reading fun from 2203 01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,190 anything they don't like any 2204 01:01:44,190 --> 01:01:46,560 ideology, they will find a way 2205 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:47,910 to make it fit into their 2206 01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:49,650 narrative of these are dangerous 2207 01:01:49,650 --> 01:01:50,910 domestic terrorists that 2208 01:01:50,910 --> 01:01:53,070 threaten the public good or 2209 01:01:53,070 --> 01:01:55,500 public health. Or, you know, 2210 01:01:55,770 --> 01:01:56,730 well think of how it ever 2211 01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,170 terribly that aged, right. 2212 01:01:58,170 --> 01:01:59,490 That's what 2021 That article, 2213 01:01:59,490 --> 01:02:00,450 look at where we are right now 2214 01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:01,680 whether lockdowns were clearly 2215 01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:02,730 bad or the injections are 2216 01:02:02,730 --> 01:02:03,810 clearly hurting people when 2217 01:02:03,930 --> 01:02:04,740 people like mucholder are 2218 01:02:04,740 --> 01:02:05,820 standing up. Everyone's kind of 2219 01:02:05,850 --> 01:02:07,260 now starting to I'm sorry, I 2220 01:02:07,260 --> 01:02:08,520 made a mistake. These are bad. 2221 01:02:08,820 --> 01:02:09,690 And yet that's still there. 2222 01:02:09,690 --> 01:02:12,150 Oh, Amnesty says the Atlantic 2223 01:02:12,180 --> 01:02:12,600 Yeah. All 2224 01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,040 right, exactly. Please flip 2225 01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:15,060 Let's just all forget and move 2226 01:02:15,060 --> 01:02:16,170 forward. It's like I don't know 2227 01:02:16,170 --> 01:02:16,440 about. 2228 01:02:16,830 --> 01:02:18,360 Yeah. But again, returning to 2229 01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:19,680 what we talked about earlier. So 2230 01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:23,130 if far, right, extremism is bad. 2231 01:02:23,250 --> 01:02:25,080 Why can't we talk about people 2232 01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:26,610 like the mayor Kahane, followers 2233 01:02:26,610 --> 01:02:28,200 in the Jewish power party write 2234 01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,060 out exactly how to become in 2235 01:02:30,060 --> 01:02:31,710 charge of the State of Israel? 2236 01:02:31,740 --> 01:02:32,610 Right? Well, I mean, the 2237 01:02:32,610 --> 01:02:33,600 important point to make is 2238 01:02:33,630 --> 01:02:36,060 these, the leading human rights 2239 01:02:36,060 --> 01:02:37,530 organizations in the world are 2240 01:02:37,530 --> 01:02:38,820 outspokenly, calling them an 2241 01:02:38,820 --> 01:02:40,500 apartheid state that sell them 2242 01:02:40,500 --> 01:02:41,790 literally says they're a Jewish 2243 01:02:41,790 --> 01:02:42,900 supremacy, government. I mean, 2244 01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:44,280 that's their terms as leading 2245 01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:45,780 human rights organizations. So 2246 01:02:45,780 --> 01:02:46,860 you can't call these anti 2247 01:02:46,860 --> 01:02:48,150 semitic when you're coming from 2248 01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:48,840 a point of that they're 2249 01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:49,950 oppressing people, and it's 2250 01:02:49,950 --> 01:02:51,000 coming from an apartheid state 2251 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,650 position. And then the point 2252 01:02:52,650 --> 01:02:55,110 about the ADL openly, and it's 2253 01:02:55,110 --> 01:02:56,340 not just the Jewish power party, 2254 01:02:56,340 --> 01:02:57,090 it's the one that I can remember 2255 01:02:57,090 --> 01:02:58,290 off top my head, but there's 2256 01:02:58,290 --> 01:02:59,610 other groups. And you may 2257 01:02:59,610 --> 01:03:01,200 probably know, the other groups 2258 01:03:01,290 --> 01:03:03,150 Alongside this, this current 2259 01:03:03,150 --> 01:03:04,590 coalition that have been elected 2260 01:03:04,590 --> 01:03:06,900 that are, like, deemed racist 2261 01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:08,310 and extremist even by these 2262 01:03:08,310 --> 01:03:09,870 Jewish groups. And yet, now 2263 01:03:09,870 --> 01:03:11,010 they've been elected. And that's 2264 01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:11,970 we're not allowed to point that 2265 01:03:11,970 --> 01:03:13,620 out. I mean, you overlap that 2266 01:03:13,620 --> 01:03:14,970 with the hypothetical, right? 2267 01:03:14,970 --> 01:03:16,500 You can say that Wink wink, 2268 01:03:16,500 --> 01:03:17,670 here's what he really means over 2269 01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:19,320 here in the US when he says XY 2270 01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,030 and Z. But it's still even if 2271 01:03:21,030 --> 01:03:22,620 they're, even if that's true, 2272 01:03:22,770 --> 01:03:25,410 it's still convoluted over here, 2273 01:03:25,410 --> 01:03:26,700 they're outwardly saying these 2274 01:03:26,700 --> 01:03:27,600 things, and we're not allowed to 2275 01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:28,530 point that out. I think that's 2276 01:03:28,530 --> 01:03:29,130 what you're saying. Right? I 2277 01:03:29,130 --> 01:03:30,360 mean, it's just, it's inherently 2278 01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:31,740 contradictory. And why doesn't 2279 01:03:31,740 --> 01:03:33,450 the ADL say that? Why isn't that 2280 01:03:33,510 --> 01:03:34,500 what they're focusing on? You 2281 01:03:34,500 --> 01:03:35,100 know, it's 2282 01:03:35,130 --> 01:03:37,380 Yeah, bias. So I think now is 2283 01:03:37,380 --> 01:03:38,280 probably a good time to talk a 2284 01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:39,120 little bit about the anti 2285 01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,160 Defamation League, its roots and 2286 01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,110 why it's not a good organization 2287 01:03:43,260 --> 01:03:45,000 to have here. But in before we 2288 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,070 get to that point, the ADL, if 2289 01:03:47,070 --> 01:03:48,120 you look at their website, and 2290 01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:49,380 you type in nationalism, you're 2291 01:03:49,380 --> 01:03:50,640 going to get a lot about how all 2292 01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,050 ethnic national nationalism is 2293 01:03:52,050 --> 01:03:53,430 bad. White Nationalism is awful. 2294 01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:54,960 Black Nationalism is awful, and 2295 01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,360 so on and so forth. Right. But 2296 01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,400 if you look up Zionism, yeah. 2297 01:03:59,460 --> 01:04:01,680 And their complaints about how, 2298 01:04:01,710 --> 01:04:03,150 you know, they allege that anti 2299 01:04:03,150 --> 01:04:04,830 Zionism and anti semitism are 2300 01:04:04,830 --> 01:04:06,960 one in the same. Yeah, they will 2301 01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:08,940 say, how do they define Zionism? 2302 01:04:08,970 --> 01:04:10,200 Oh, well, it's just Jewish 2303 01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:11,910 nationalism. So Jewish 2304 01:04:11,910 --> 01:04:13,830 nationalism is okay, right. But 2305 01:04:13,830 --> 01:04:15,090 every other type of nationalism 2306 01:04:15,090 --> 01:04:16,620 is not if you're against ethnic 2307 01:04:16,620 --> 01:04:17,640 nationalism, you should be 2308 01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:18,930 against all forms of ethnic 2309 01:04:18,930 --> 01:04:20,910 nationalism, right? Otherwise, 2310 01:04:21,060 --> 01:04:23,460 you are supporting one ethnic 2311 01:04:23,460 --> 01:04:25,110 nationalism over all of that. 2312 01:04:25,110 --> 01:04:26,640 And that's technically ethnic 2313 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:27,960 supremacism, isn't it? Right? 2314 01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:28,170 Yes, 2315 01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,120 yes. Or no. So I got a 2316 01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:31,590 curiosity. How do they rope in 2317 01:04:31,590 --> 01:04:32,940 Ukrainian nationalism in this 2318 01:04:32,940 --> 01:04:33,840 conversation today? 2319 01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:35,910 They probably don't have a part. 2320 01:04:35,940 --> 01:04:37,410 Right. So about that. 2321 01:04:38,670 --> 01:04:39,990 Which is such a huge big, you 2322 01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:41,700 know, elephant in the room in 2323 01:04:41,700 --> 01:04:42,750 the conversation, especially 2324 01:04:42,750 --> 01:04:42,990 since 2325 01:04:42,990 --> 01:04:44,010 you know what a bigger bigger 2326 01:04:44,010 --> 01:04:45,420 elephant in the room is? Why has 2327 01:04:45,420 --> 01:04:46,860 Israel's government funded as 2328 01:04:46,860 --> 01:04:48,180 off battalion? Exactly, 2329 01:04:48,180 --> 01:04:49,290 that's exactly where I was going 2330 01:04:49,290 --> 01:04:51,060 with that in 2018 Haaretz even 2331 01:04:51,060 --> 01:04:52,140 wrote about that where their own 2332 01:04:52,140 --> 01:04:53,670 people were like, stop funding 2333 01:04:53,670 --> 01:04:56,070 Nazis. Now they act like that's 2334 01:04:56,070 --> 01:04:57,060 not what's really happening. 2335 01:04:57,060 --> 01:04:58,590 It's it's current what currently 2336 01:04:58,590 --> 01:05:00,000 is, as you know, it's incorrect. 2337 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:00,270 Whoa. 2338 01:05:00,660 --> 01:05:02,760 So anyway, the anti Defamation 2339 01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,490 League who's who's really behind 2340 01:05:05,490 --> 01:05:07,080 them, who funds them, where do 2341 01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:08,640 they come from their parent 2342 01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,290 organization has been I breath 2343 01:05:10,350 --> 01:05:13,020 if you have read or plan to read 2344 01:05:13,470 --> 01:05:15,390 my books, one nation under 2345 01:05:15,390 --> 01:05:17,100 blackmail, you will learn about 2346 01:05:17,100 --> 01:05:19,170 but my birth to an extent. But 2347 01:05:19,170 --> 01:05:21,390 my breath was founded and like 2348 01:05:21,420 --> 01:05:24,450 the night the 19th century, it 2349 01:05:24,450 --> 01:05:26,640 is basically follows the same 2350 01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,890 model as Freemasonry, but is a 2351 01:05:28,890 --> 01:05:30,960 Jewish fraternal organization, 2352 01:05:31,380 --> 01:05:32,970 but also admittedly a secret 2353 01:05:32,970 --> 01:05:35,220 society. And I mean, if you go 2354 01:05:35,220 --> 01:05:36,720 through the The New York Times 2355 01:05:36,750 --> 01:05:39,390 archive, you will find, you 2356 01:05:39,390 --> 01:05:40,650 know, articles and hybrids from 2357 01:05:40,650 --> 01:05:42,660 like, the 1870s, and stuff that 2358 01:05:42,660 --> 01:05:44,730 openly call it a secret society 2359 01:05:44,730 --> 01:05:46,710 and what have you. And, you 2360 01:05:46,710 --> 01:05:48,000 know, sort of talk about the 2361 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:49,650 founders and it just like, you 2362 01:05:49,650 --> 01:05:50,970 know, Freemasonry, it has 2363 01:05:50,970 --> 01:05:52,500 different lodges and all of 2364 01:05:52,500 --> 01:05:53,940 that, the first of which were, 2365 01:05:53,970 --> 01:05:55,290 you know, in sort of the New 2366 01:05:55,290 --> 01:05:57,870 England area, and have expanded 2367 01:05:57,870 --> 01:05:59,550 across the country since then. 2368 01:06:00,300 --> 01:06:02,070 And they come up in the book a 2369 01:06:02,070 --> 01:06:03,390 lot, because a lot of the people 2370 01:06:03,390 --> 01:06:04,440 I end up writing about in the 2371 01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:05,760 book are involved with Banai 2372 01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:07,020 breath are on their Board of 2373 01:06:07,020 --> 01:06:09,000 Overseers. And a lot of these 2374 01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,140 people that are on their Board 2375 01:06:10,140 --> 01:06:12,750 of Overseers are people that are 2376 01:06:12,750 --> 01:06:14,400 provably as I noted in the book 2377 01:06:14,430 --> 01:06:15,810 tied up with organized crime, 2378 01:06:15,810 --> 01:06:19,170 intelligence, or both. So you 2379 01:06:19,170 --> 01:06:20,310 know, if you want the details on 2380 01:06:20,310 --> 01:06:21,360 that, I'll refer you to the 2381 01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:22,530 books and not take up too much 2382 01:06:22,530 --> 01:06:24,660 time here today. What the anti 2383 01:06:24,660 --> 01:06:25,830 Defamation League is an 2384 01:06:25,830 --> 01:06:27,030 outgrowth of that that was 2385 01:06:27,030 --> 01:06:28,200 created in the early 20th 2386 01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,510 century, as a result of the fall 2387 01:06:30,510 --> 01:06:32,160 out, or rather, the lynching of 2388 01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,620 a man named Leo Frank, Leo Frank 2389 01:06:34,620 --> 01:06:36,300 was lynched after he was found. 2390 01:06:37,740 --> 01:06:38,820 Well, after he didn't go to 2391 01:06:38,820 --> 01:06:42,090 prison for the murder, and 2392 01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,190 rather apparent rape and murder 2393 01:06:44,190 --> 01:06:46,500 of an underage girl that I 2394 01:06:46,500 --> 01:06:47,910 believe worked in the factory, 2395 01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:50,610 he either owned or managed, that 2396 01:06:50,610 --> 01:06:54,150 entire trial is insane, and 2397 01:06:54,180 --> 01:06:55,980 really crazy stuff. So you know, 2398 01:06:55,980 --> 01:06:57,000 there's been a lot to sort of 2399 01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:58,710 try and sanitize the details of 2400 01:06:58,710 --> 01:07:00,810 that over the years. But I would 2401 01:07:00,810 --> 01:07:02,100 encourage people to try and find 2402 01:07:02,100 --> 01:07:03,690 the primary source stuff about 2403 01:07:03,690 --> 01:07:08,010 that trial. And you know, why 2404 01:07:08,010 --> 01:07:09,540 things happen the way they did, 2405 01:07:09,690 --> 01:07:10,800 but basically, the local 2406 01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:12,540 community felt like felt like 2407 01:07:12,540 --> 01:07:15,210 Leo Frank was guilty. And there 2408 01:07:15,210 --> 01:07:16,680 were lots of reasons that came 2409 01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:18,330 out in the trial to think he was 2410 01:07:18,330 --> 01:07:19,650 guilty, regardless of how you 2411 01:07:19,650 --> 01:07:21,360 feel about the particular event 2412 01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,010 or the particular people 2413 01:07:23,010 --> 01:07:25,200 involved, you know, so that but 2414 01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:26,640 the claim from the ADL is that 2415 01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,260 this effort to go after Frank 2416 01:07:28,260 --> 01:07:29,310 wasn't because the community 2417 01:07:29,310 --> 01:07:31,410 felt like a guilty murderer and 2418 01:07:31,410 --> 01:07:35,400 pedophile. Got off, you know, 2419 01:07:35,430 --> 01:07:36,870 easy because of his powerful 2420 01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:38,040 connections, because he was a 2421 01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,950 B'nai Brith. Member. Right. Um, 2422 01:07:41,250 --> 01:07:42,570 you know, it's been claimed that 2423 01:07:42,570 --> 01:07:44,070 it was antiSemitism. And there's 2424 01:07:44,070 --> 01:07:45,420 been movies that have been made 2425 01:07:45,420 --> 01:07:47,100 with financing from some of 2426 01:07:47,100 --> 01:07:48,780 these networks to sort of paint 2427 01:07:48,780 --> 01:07:50,370 Leo Frank as the victim here. 2428 01:07:50,460 --> 01:07:52,620 Right, right. But anyway, that's 2429 01:07:52,620 --> 01:07:55,650 sort of the whole situation that 2430 01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,240 led Banai Brett's decree, the 2431 01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:58,860 anti Defamation League, right. 2432 01:07:58,950 --> 01:08:00,450 So the anti Defamation League, 2433 01:08:00,450 --> 01:08:01,740 you know, frames itself as 2434 01:08:01,740 --> 01:08:03,270 defending against, you know, not 2435 01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:05,040 just, you know, defamation of 2436 01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:06,180 the Jewish community, but all 2437 01:08:06,180 --> 01:08:07,530 sorts of different communities. 2438 01:08:08,250 --> 01:08:09,780 But it's, again, important to 2439 01:08:09,780 --> 01:08:11,100 look at who funds it. And if you 2440 01:08:11,100 --> 01:08:11,880 look at the people that have 2441 01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:13,230 historically been funding it, 2442 01:08:13,260 --> 01:08:16,470 it's the Bronfman family, Leslie 2443 01:08:16,470 --> 01:08:18,300 Wexner is historically a big 2444 01:08:18,300 --> 01:08:19,830 funder of it, and you know, 2445 01:08:19,830 --> 01:08:22,770 people sort of in those, those 2446 01:08:22,770 --> 01:08:25,500 networks, yeah. So here's the 2447 01:08:25,500 --> 01:08:28,830 problem, as I see it, if you're 2448 01:08:28,830 --> 01:08:30,660 like me, and you want to write a 2449 01:08:30,660 --> 01:08:32,730 book, about someone like Jeffrey 2450 01:08:32,730 --> 01:08:34,800 Epstein and his connections, and 2451 01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:35,730 you end up talking about the 2452 01:08:35,730 --> 01:08:37,650 Bronfman family, for example, 2453 01:08:38,250 --> 01:08:39,390 who have provable ties to 2454 01:08:39,390 --> 01:08:40,800 organized crime and lots of 2455 01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,590 subjectivity over the years. So 2456 01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:45,330 I make criticisms that are fact 2457 01:08:45,330 --> 01:08:46,320 based and reasonable. But the 2458 01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:48,270 Bronfman family, and the ADL can 2459 01:08:48,270 --> 01:08:49,290 come in and call me an anti 2460 01:08:49,290 --> 01:08:52,230 Semite. Right? Even people that 2461 01:08:52,230 --> 01:08:55,110 were Jewish, that have been that 2462 01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:56,070 I've written about the Bronfman 2463 01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:57,090 family in the past were called 2464 01:08:57,090 --> 01:08:58,680 anti semitic by the Brahmins, or 2465 01:08:58,680 --> 01:08:59,640 they were called self hating 2466 01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,590 Jews or, you know, stuff like 2467 01:09:01,590 --> 01:09:04,080 this. Yeah. But essentially, the 2468 01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,680 ADL comes in to help defend 2469 01:09:08,100 --> 01:09:10,470 interests or people who are tied 2470 01:09:10,470 --> 01:09:12,540 to its funders, just like a lot 2471 01:09:12,540 --> 01:09:13,770 of other organizations. I don't 2472 01:09:13,770 --> 01:09:15,900 think that's exclusive to the 2473 01:09:15,900 --> 01:09:17,880 ADL. But the problem is when you 2474 01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,010 conflate someone who is actually 2475 01:09:20,010 --> 01:09:21,840 involved in crime and reporting 2476 01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:23,430 on their provable involvement in 2477 01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:26,490 crimes to anti semitism, you're 2478 01:09:26,490 --> 01:09:27,690 essentially conflating the 2479 01:09:27,690 --> 01:09:29,250 activities of this criminal who 2480 01:09:29,250 --> 01:09:30,930 happens to be Jewish to the 2481 01:09:30,930 --> 01:09:32,340 entire Jewish community. 2482 01:09:32,610 --> 01:09:34,350 Right, great point, which is, 2483 01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:35,880 they're essentially doing what 2484 01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:36,900 they claimed by itself 2485 01:09:36,900 --> 01:09:38,520 is creating anti semitism. 2486 01:09:38,970 --> 01:09:39,300 Right, 2487 01:09:39,330 --> 01:09:41,040 exactly. And which could very 2488 01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:42,180 well be by design, but you don't 2489 01:09:42,180 --> 01:09:43,020 have to say things like that 2490 01:09:43,020 --> 01:09:43,860 either. Because you you're 2491 01:09:43,860 --> 01:09:45,000 insinuating that they may do 2492 01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,290 that would be anti semitism. 2493 01:09:46,290 --> 01:09:47,550 It's everything they can claim. 2494 01:09:47,580 --> 01:09:49,260 So in my opinion, the ADL 2495 01:09:49,290 --> 01:09:52,920 conflates uses anti semitism to 2496 01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,620 its advantage in that sense, so 2497 01:09:55,650 --> 01:09:57,210 maybe it will, on occasions 2498 01:09:57,210 --> 01:09:59,010 point out real troubling 2499 01:09:59,370 --> 01:10:01,050 examples. anti semitism and 2500 01:10:01,050 --> 01:10:02,790 other times it will conflate 2501 01:10:03,150 --> 01:10:04,920 anti Zionist rhetoric, which is 2502 01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:06,390 fundamentally political and not 2503 01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:08,250 racist. There are anti semitic 2504 01:10:08,250 --> 01:10:09,840 Jews, for example, right, a 2505 01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:11,340 significant community of anti 2506 01:10:11,580 --> 01:10:14,040 anti Zionist Jews. And actually 2507 01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:15,390 before World War Two most Jews 2508 01:10:15,390 --> 01:10:17,580 were anti Zionist. So it's not 2509 01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,440 at the anti Zionist Zionism is 2510 01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:21,390 not inherently anti semitic at 2511 01:10:21,390 --> 01:10:21,810 all. 2512 01:10:21,870 --> 01:10:23,310 Well, exactly. But you can make 2513 01:10:23,310 --> 01:10:24,480 examples of this about how 2514 01:10:24,510 --> 01:10:25,890 contradictory they are, or 2515 01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:27,360 inherently hypocritical. I mean, 2516 01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:28,380 I personally think this is an 2517 01:10:28,380 --> 01:10:29,700 entity that is doing things for 2518 01:10:29,700 --> 01:10:30,750 political reasons, and not 2519 01:10:30,750 --> 01:10:32,400 necessarily even maybe at all 2520 01:10:32,490 --> 01:10:34,230 about defending in a certain 2521 01:10:34,230 --> 01:10:35,490 group. I mean, you could point 2522 01:10:35,490 --> 01:10:37,020 out that they'll openly say that 2523 01:10:37,020 --> 01:10:38,100 wells Alinsky is Jewish, 2524 01:10:38,100 --> 01:10:39,330 therefore, he's not what you say 2525 01:10:39,330 --> 01:10:40,710 he is, how can you even make an 2526 01:10:40,710 --> 01:10:41,850 argument like that with what the 2527 01:10:41,850 --> 01:10:43,200 history we already know? Like? 2528 01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:44,940 There are examples of Jewish 2529 01:10:44,940 --> 01:10:46,020 people working with the Nazis? 2530 01:10:46,020 --> 01:10:47,250 Like, it's just so silly that 2531 01:10:47,250 --> 01:10:48,330 you can make that kind of broad 2532 01:10:48,330 --> 01:10:49,950 argument or what about the 2533 01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:51,540 Ethiopian Jewish population, 2534 01:10:51,540 --> 01:10:53,100 they get openly, Segre, you 2535 01:10:53,100 --> 01:10:54,450 know, attacked? And like there's 2536 01:10:54,450 --> 01:10:55,860 just no consistency to their 2537 01:10:55,860 --> 01:10:58,140 argument. Right. But the one of 2538 01:10:58,140 --> 01:10:58,860 the things that I think is 2539 01:10:58,860 --> 01:11:00,030 interesting today to overlap 2540 01:11:00,030 --> 01:11:02,160 this with the fact that they are 2541 01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:03,390 really more about controlling a 2542 01:11:03,390 --> 01:11:04,410 narrative than actually 2543 01:11:04,440 --> 01:11:05,970 defending the reality or facts 2544 01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:07,320 is, I don't know if you saw this 2545 01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:08,550 new documentary that came out on 2546 01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:10,020 Netflix actually came out today 2547 01:11:10,020 --> 01:11:11,010 or yesterday, I don't have 2548 01:11:11,010 --> 01:11:12,210 Netflix. Well, it's called 2549 01:11:12,210 --> 01:11:13,710 Farhan. And it's an apparently 2550 01:11:13,710 --> 01:11:15,450 Israel's just completely worked 2551 01:11:15,450 --> 01:11:17,070 up about it, calling it all like 2552 01:11:17,070 --> 01:11:18,570 literally, it shows, in my 2553 01:11:18,570 --> 01:11:19,980 opinion, and I've touched base 2554 01:11:19,980 --> 01:11:20,820 with a few people that, you 2555 01:11:20,820 --> 01:11:21,780 know, really understand the 2556 01:11:21,780 --> 01:11:22,560 history, they think it was 2557 01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:23,760 really well done, that it really 2558 01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,830 does show about the NOC bot or 2559 01:11:25,830 --> 01:11:26,910 something. Yeah, exactly. It was 2560 01:11:26,910 --> 01:11:27,810 about what happened to the 2561 01:11:27,810 --> 01:11:29,580 Palestinians. And and the 2562 01:11:29,580 --> 01:11:30,870 problem is that they're acting 2563 01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:31,920 like it's fake, but the stuff 2564 01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:32,610 they showed in the duck 2565 01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:33,870 documentary, or is literally 2566 01:11:33,870 --> 01:11:35,430 still happening today, you know, 2567 01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:36,180 and it's, you know, they're 2568 01:11:36,180 --> 01:11:37,440 coming out and tacking this as 2569 01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:38,550 anti semitic, and blah, blah, 2570 01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:39,990 blah. But you know, you can 2571 01:11:39,990 --> 01:11:41,250 provably show that this is even 2572 01:11:41,250 --> 01:11:42,690 currently still happening. So 2573 01:11:42,690 --> 01:11:43,320 it's just there's no 2574 01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:44,940 consistency. There's no facts in 2575 01:11:44,940 --> 01:11:45,990 this, in my opinion, it's really 2576 01:11:45,990 --> 01:11:46,860 just about controlling a 2577 01:11:46,860 --> 01:11:48,300 narrative. And, you know, you 2578 01:11:48,300 --> 01:11:49,050 could argue that there are 2579 01:11:49,050 --> 01:11:49,740 people that work with the 2580 01:11:49,740 --> 01:11:50,820 organization that try to do some 2581 01:11:50,820 --> 01:11:52,380 good, I don't know if I can 2582 01:11:52,380 --> 01:11:53,490 prove that. But ultimately, 2583 01:11:53,490 --> 01:11:54,300 that's something you could say 2584 01:11:54,300 --> 01:11:55,320 about any of the organizations 2585 01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:56,280 even something like a foreign 2586 01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,020 policy group, but to the point, 2587 01:11:58,500 --> 01:11:59,790 these people don't have the 2588 01:11:59,790 --> 01:12:01,290 interest of a group in mind, in 2589 01:12:01,290 --> 01:12:02,640 my opinion, I think it's about 2590 01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:04,590 selling us on the idea that what 2591 01:12:04,590 --> 01:12:05,670 they want us to think is racist 2592 01:12:05,670 --> 01:12:08,010 when they want us to, to x y&z 2593 01:12:08,010 --> 01:12:08,940 what we're talking about today 2594 01:12:08,940 --> 01:12:11,070 create words or violence, right 2595 01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:11,310 to make 2596 01:12:11,730 --> 01:12:13,770 the the billionaires and the 2597 01:12:13,770 --> 01:12:14,910 people like the Bronfman to the 2598 01:12:14,910 --> 01:12:16,860 Wexner. And some of these people 2599 01:12:16,860 --> 01:12:17,880 I talked about in the book that 2600 01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:19,770 are that are major funders of 2601 01:12:19,770 --> 01:12:21,570 the ADL, if you look at the 2602 01:12:21,570 --> 01:12:22,590 other organizations they've 2603 01:12:22,590 --> 01:12:23,970 created, like birthright, for 2604 01:12:23,970 --> 01:12:25,560 example, or the mega group or 2605 01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:27,120 things like this, what they're 2606 01:12:27,150 --> 01:12:29,280 most, a lot of their quote 2607 01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,800 unquote, philanthropy is focused 2608 01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,290 on instilling Jewish Americans 2609 01:12:34,290 --> 01:12:35,880 and also Israeli Jews with this 2610 01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:40,020 particular political identity 2611 01:12:40,050 --> 01:12:43,080 and a lot of it for these guys, 2612 01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:45,960 these funders of the ADL that 2613 01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:47,730 I'm talking about here is is 2614 01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,640 very much Extreme Pro Zionism. 2615 01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:53,730 very extreme ethnic nationalism, 2616 01:12:53,730 --> 01:12:54,960 ultimately, at the end of the 2617 01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:56,970 day, and you even have, you 2618 01:12:56,970 --> 01:12:58,230 know, key members of this of 2619 01:12:58,230 --> 01:12:59,490 this group here like Michael 2620 01:12:59,490 --> 01:13:02,130 Steinhardt saying things like, I 2621 01:13:02,130 --> 01:13:04,140 think that he, he's an atheist, 2622 01:13:04,410 --> 01:13:06,000 but he says Jews need to replace 2623 01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:07,530 their religion with Zionism, 2624 01:13:07,530 --> 01:13:08,910 worship of the State of Israel, 2625 01:13:08,940 --> 01:13:11,490 right. And you have these 2626 01:13:11,490 --> 01:13:12,780 politicians coming to power 2627 01:13:12,780 --> 01:13:15,210 right now that, you know, since 2628 01:13:15,210 --> 01:13:16,980 Likud has been in power on, you 2629 01:13:16,980 --> 01:13:19,110 know, more or less since the 70s 2630 01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:20,880 or so, a lot of people have 2631 01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,620 pointed out that the right has 2632 01:13:22,620 --> 01:13:24,120 really dominated Israeli policy 2633 01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:25,200 political discourse for a very 2634 01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:28,680 long time. But the current group 2635 01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,780 to come to power is even more to 2636 01:13:30,780 --> 01:13:32,820 the right of that paradigm. 2637 01:13:33,060 --> 01:13:34,770 Alarmingly so and significantly. 2638 01:13:34,770 --> 01:13:36,000 So yeah, yeah, 2639 01:13:36,030 --> 01:13:37,080 I should say, I really hope 2640 01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:38,010 people take the time to look 2641 01:13:38,010 --> 01:13:39,120 into that specifically, because 2642 01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:40,710 we could do an entire show on 2643 01:13:40,710 --> 01:13:42,600 the the outwardly spoken 2644 01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:43,860 extremist perspectives of the 2645 01:13:43,860 --> 01:13:44,760 people that are currently in 2646 01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:46,560 power in Israel, more so than 2647 01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:47,730 we've seen before. Like you can 2648 01:13:47,730 --> 01:13:49,350 show videos of that in the past. 2649 01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:50,610 But this is a whole nother 2650 01:13:50,610 --> 01:13:52,170 level. It's like we pointed out 2651 01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:53,340 even these groups that are 2652 01:13:53,370 --> 01:13:54,840 pointing out racism elsewhere 2653 01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:56,130 have in the past called these 2654 01:13:56,130 --> 01:13:57,120 groups themselves, like 2655 01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:58,740 borderline terrorists. I mean, 2656 01:13:58,740 --> 01:14:00,030 it's just incredible. This gets 2657 01:14:00,030 --> 01:14:01,860 voted in. I mean, again, I put 2658 01:14:01,860 --> 01:14:03,270 the caveat in if that's really 2659 01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:05,130 what happened. I doubt whether I 2660 01:14:05,130 --> 01:14:06,300 tend to question most of these 2661 01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,010 democracies today, personally, 2662 01:14:08,010 --> 01:14:08,940 but that's another discussion. 2663 01:14:08,970 --> 01:14:10,560 Yeah. I mean, I don't I don't 2664 01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:11,640 really know the situation there. 2665 01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:12,510 Because again, I don't I don't 2666 01:14:12,510 --> 01:14:13,860 really follow geopolitics as 2667 01:14:13,860 --> 01:14:15,270 closely as I as I used to, 2668 01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:16,050 because of everything that's 2669 01:14:16,050 --> 01:14:16,950 gone on in the past couple 2670 01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:18,570 years. And you know, sort of the 2671 01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:20,100 arc that might work is sort of 2672 01:14:21,060 --> 01:14:22,800 has sort of taken but as I see 2673 01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,890 it, the ADL is sort of there to 2674 01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:27,900 shepherd speech with a 2675 01:14:27,900 --> 01:14:29,220 particular political agenda 2676 01:14:29,220 --> 01:14:30,750 behind it. Absolutely. And a 2677 01:14:30,750 --> 01:14:32,850 part of this political agenda is 2678 01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:34,350 laundering the reputations and 2679 01:14:34,350 --> 01:14:36,330 protecting criticism of powerful 2680 01:14:36,330 --> 01:14:38,670 actors who engage in criminal 2681 01:14:38,670 --> 01:14:40,710 activity, whether that are, you 2682 01:14:40,710 --> 01:14:42,150 know, people in Israeli 2683 01:14:42,150 --> 01:14:43,560 intelligence or whether it's, 2684 01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:44,220 you know, people like the 2685 01:14:44,220 --> 01:14:45,810 Bronfman, some people like that, 2686 01:14:45,810 --> 01:14:47,640 that's creating an atmosphere 2687 01:14:47,790 --> 01:14:51,210 where legitimate criticism of 2688 01:14:51,210 --> 01:14:53,850 them is, you know, deemed 2689 01:14:53,850 --> 01:14:55,770 racist, right. And it's not 2690 01:14:55,950 --> 01:14:58,170 what's racist, is to say that 2691 01:14:58,170 --> 01:14:59,970 people that are basically in the 2692 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,760 As the remnants of what was once 2693 01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,650 the Jewish mob, the successors 2694 01:15:04,650 --> 01:15:06,030 to people like Mayor Lansky, and 2695 01:15:06,030 --> 01:15:07,890 whatever, that calling them out 2696 01:15:07,890 --> 01:15:08,970 for engaging in criminal 2697 01:15:08,970 --> 01:15:11,250 activity is, you know, 2698 01:15:11,250 --> 01:15:12,870 conflating people like that with 2699 01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:14,070 regular Jewish people. 2700 01:15:14,310 --> 01:15:15,570 Right? What do you need of 2701 01:15:15,570 --> 01:15:17,160 itself is racist? Which is not? 2702 01:15:17,310 --> 01:15:18,240 That's what that's what they do, 2703 01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:19,560 though. Yeah, that's it do 2704 01:15:19,620 --> 01:15:22,650 exactly. Yeah. So, um, I don't 2705 01:15:22,650 --> 01:15:23,550 know what else you want to cover 2706 01:15:23,550 --> 01:15:24,960 today. But I did really quickly 2707 01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,030 want to want to make a return 2708 01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:27,510 sort of, of what we're 2709 01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:28,800 discussing in the beginning and 2710 01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,560 make a point that if this was 2711 01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:33,090 not about setting up Kanye West 2712 01:15:33,090 --> 01:15:34,740 for complete destruction, and to 2713 01:15:34,740 --> 01:15:35,850 further this particular 2714 01:15:35,850 --> 01:15:37,500 narrative we've been talking 2715 01:15:37,500 --> 01:15:39,930 about today, there is a very 2716 01:15:39,930 --> 01:15:41,640 nuanced case to make that 2717 01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:43,080 criticism from the conservative 2718 01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,240 side that criticizes the US 2719 01:15:45,870 --> 01:15:48,300 relationship with Israel, and, 2720 01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:50,790 you know, Zionism, in its 2721 01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:52,650 influence on American foreign 2722 01:15:52,650 --> 01:15:54,690 policy, and in even domestic 2723 01:15:54,690 --> 01:15:58,410 policy in the United States. And 2724 01:15:58,500 --> 01:15:59,730 I just, you know, for people 2725 01:15:59,730 --> 01:16:02,070 that are listening, I just think 2726 01:16:02,070 --> 01:16:03,870 it's important to point out some 2727 01:16:03,870 --> 01:16:05,160 of these key points. And one of 2728 01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,410 the, I think most important 2729 01:16:07,410 --> 01:16:09,090 points out of this is it is 2730 01:16:09,090 --> 01:16:11,040 documented that as part of the 2731 01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:12,510 US special relationship, quote, 2732 01:16:12,510 --> 01:16:13,650 unquote, between the US and 2733 01:16:13,650 --> 01:16:16,110 Israel, the US provides Israel 2734 01:16:16,110 --> 01:16:17,850 with sensitive US military 2735 01:16:17,850 --> 01:16:20,700 technology. Since the 90s people 2736 01:16:20,700 --> 01:16:22,020 in the US national security 2737 01:16:22,020 --> 01:16:23,610 state, the early 90s, have been 2738 01:16:23,610 --> 01:16:26,100 going off on how Israel has been 2739 01:16:26,100 --> 01:16:27,570 sending all of that tech stuff 2740 01:16:27,570 --> 01:16:30,450 to China, to undermine our US 2741 01:16:30,450 --> 01:16:32,040 national security, then you have 2742 01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:33,240 the case of the PROMIS software 2743 01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,010 scandal, confirmed Israeli 2744 01:16:35,010 --> 01:16:36,120 intelligence even involved 2745 01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:39,660 Robert Maxwell, put backdoors 2746 01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:41,880 into sensitive US nuclear net 2747 01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:43,260 laboratories install nuclear 2748 01:16:43,260 --> 01:16:44,700 research, you have that 2749 01:16:44,700 --> 01:16:47,670 happening, involved the same 2750 01:16:47,730 --> 01:16:49,020 Israeli intelligence network 2751 01:16:49,020 --> 01:16:50,070 responsible for Jonathan 2752 01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:52,560 Pollard. There is a numerous 2753 01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,390 cases of Israeli intelligence 2754 01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:55,740 engaging in espionage against 2755 01:16:55,740 --> 01:16:57,270 the US national security state, 2756 01:16:57,420 --> 01:16:59,370 and then using that sensitive 2757 01:16:59,370 --> 01:17:01,890 stolen data. And and giving it 2758 01:17:01,890 --> 01:17:02,820 to our best and civil 2759 01:17:02,820 --> 01:17:04,680 adversaries. If you are a 2760 01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:06,120 conservative concerned about the 2761 01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:07,980 rise of China, and the these 2762 01:17:07,980 --> 01:17:11,220 types of things. You have to 2763 01:17:11,250 --> 01:17:12,270 look at this stuff. You can't 2764 01:17:12,270 --> 01:17:13,530 look away from it. But for some 2765 01:17:13,530 --> 01:17:15,270 reason, you know, people do are 2766 01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:17,100 we going to subsidize the 2767 01:17:17,100 --> 01:17:18,570 Israeli military when they're 2768 01:17:18,570 --> 01:17:20,430 undermining US national 2769 01:17:20,430 --> 01:17:22,770 security? Right? Are we going to 2770 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:24,060 continue to subsidize not just 2771 01:17:24,060 --> 01:17:26,250 their military, but also they 2772 01:17:26,250 --> 01:17:27,600 get lots of other subsidies from 2773 01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,600 the US from their men? For like 2774 01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:32,340 economic stuff and industry? And 2775 01:17:32,340 --> 01:17:33,210 what that but they have low 2776 01:17:33,210 --> 01:17:33,990 standard of living that's 2777 01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:35,070 comparable to the Netherlands? 2778 01:17:35,070 --> 01:17:36,330 Why are we pouring billions over 2779 01:17:36,330 --> 01:17:38,130 there? Exactly. It's still, you 2780 01:17:38,130 --> 01:17:39,330 know, so I mean, from a 2781 01:17:39,330 --> 01:17:40,410 conservative standpoint, there's 2782 01:17:40,410 --> 01:17:42,330 a lot to criticize. And if the 2783 01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:44,280 people around Kanye West were, 2784 01:17:44,370 --> 01:17:46,260 quote, unquote, serious about 2785 01:17:46,290 --> 01:17:48,270 starting a real conversation 2786 01:17:48,900 --> 01:17:50,580 about some of the issues here, 2787 01:17:50,610 --> 01:17:53,820 they would calculate, make 2788 01:17:53,820 --> 01:17:54,840 calculated moves, like any 2789 01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:56,160 political campaign, right? You 2790 01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:57,330 sit down, you talk about the 2791 01:17:57,330 --> 01:17:58,590 talking points, you plan them 2792 01:17:58,590 --> 01:18:00,690 out, you plan out your PR, and 2793 01:18:00,690 --> 01:18:02,430 all of this stuff, and people 2794 01:18:02,430 --> 01:18:05,100 write speeches for you, and set 2795 01:18:05,100 --> 01:18:06,750 up talking points for you for 2796 01:18:06,750 --> 01:18:09,450 interviews and whatever. And 2797 01:18:09,450 --> 01:18:10,470 since he's had this quote, 2798 01:18:10,470 --> 01:18:11,820 unquote, campaign staff, he's 2799 01:18:11,820 --> 01:18:14,520 gone from, you know, trying to 2800 01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:16,980 have, you know, his version of a 2801 01:18:16,980 --> 01:18:17,850 quote, unquote, normal 2802 01:18:17,850 --> 01:18:20,670 conversation, I guess, to, you 2803 01:18:20,670 --> 01:18:21,900 know, having a ski mask on his 2804 01:18:21,900 --> 01:18:24,270 head and talking to talking as a 2805 01:18:24,270 --> 01:18:25,410 makeshift puppet and unelma 2806 01:18:25,410 --> 01:18:26,610 voice on Alex Jones. 2807 01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:28,950 Yeah. Right. I mean, let's not 2808 01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:30,150 forget as well, that that 2809 01:18:30,180 --> 01:18:31,710 Netanyahu during Trump's 2810 01:18:31,710 --> 01:18:33,300 administration, will just his 2811 01:18:33,300 --> 01:18:34,470 government, let's say was, was 2812 01:18:34,530 --> 01:18:35,760 openly caught and covered by the 2813 01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:36,990 corporate media for spying on 2814 01:18:36,990 --> 01:18:38,970 Congress, like during, or excuse 2815 01:18:38,970 --> 01:18:39,690 me, the White House? Yeah, 2816 01:18:39,690 --> 01:18:40,980 the stingray devices around the 2817 01:18:40,980 --> 01:18:41,400 White House. 2818 01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:43,470 Right, right. In I mean, was 2819 01:18:43,470 --> 01:18:44,310 that did you? Did you include 2820 01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:45,960 that? If you missed it? No, no, 2821 01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:46,920 I hadn't referenced that. Yeah. 2822 01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:48,660 Okay. Okay. No. And so that's an 2823 01:18:48,660 --> 01:18:49,500 important. I mean, it's 2824 01:18:49,500 --> 01:18:50,490 incredible that that just got 2825 01:18:50,490 --> 01:18:51,900 dismissed, right? Or, I mean, 2826 01:18:51,900 --> 01:18:53,250 any number of examples like 2827 01:18:53,250 --> 01:18:54,540 that, that show you that? 2828 01:18:54,540 --> 01:18:56,220 There's, I mean, you know, 2829 01:18:56,220 --> 01:18:57,510 what's a great example of the 2830 01:18:57,540 --> 01:18:58,890 ignorance around the China point 2831 01:18:59,010 --> 01:19:01,560 is that the, in the injections 2832 01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:02,820 of warp speed from Trump's 2833 01:19:02,850 --> 01:19:04,920 polling, warp speed, operation, 2834 01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:06,510 warp speed, that code genetic 2835 01:19:06,510 --> 01:19:08,160 code for that came directly from 2836 01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,530 the Chinese through the two 2837 01:19:10,530 --> 01:19:11,340 Maderna on the rest of the 2838 01:19:11,340 --> 01:19:12,570 companies through the genetic 2839 01:19:12,570 --> 01:19:14,370 sequencing platform, before they 2840 01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:15,900 claim they've been isolated. And 2841 01:19:15,900 --> 01:19:17,220 yet the argument is China bad 2842 01:19:17,220 --> 01:19:18,150 guy, and the question what 2843 01:19:18,150 --> 01:19:19,050 they're doing yet the entire 2844 01:19:19,050 --> 01:19:20,490 impetus for the entire program 2845 01:19:20,490 --> 01:19:21,630 still rests on the genetic 2846 01:19:21,630 --> 01:19:22,950 sequence coming from China. You 2847 01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:23,880 know, the point is that the 2848 01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:25,110 whole conservative mentality 2849 01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:26,730 around China bad guy, or how 2850 01:19:26,730 --> 01:19:27,660 they perceive these things are 2851 01:19:27,660 --> 01:19:28,920 like we're pointing out or based 2852 01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:30,180 on talking points. And the 2853 01:19:30,180 --> 01:19:32,010 reality of this is usually far 2854 01:19:32,010 --> 01:19:33,630 more nuanced. And I think, to 2855 01:19:33,630 --> 01:19:34,980 your point about this is that if 2856 01:19:34,980 --> 01:19:36,750 until we're ready to have an 2857 01:19:36,750 --> 01:19:38,130 actual conversation about these 2858 01:19:38,130 --> 01:19:39,750 things, and we're only going to 2859 01:19:39,750 --> 01:19:40,950 get the extremist sides being 2860 01:19:40,950 --> 01:19:42,780 put forward by the manipulators. 2861 01:19:42,780 --> 01:19:43,860 Right. And you're right, though, 2862 01:19:43,860 --> 01:19:45,480 like if he really wanted to make 2863 01:19:45,480 --> 01:19:47,730 this an actual run, which I 2864 01:19:47,730 --> 01:19:49,080 don't think they do, right, they 2865 01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:50,250 would have meant they would have 2866 01:19:50,250 --> 01:19:51,540 been more calculating about 2867 01:19:51,540 --> 01:19:53,310 their moves here. And I think 2868 01:19:53,310 --> 01:19:54,600 anybody honest can see that the 2869 01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:56,040 way that this is being presented 2870 01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:57,750 is, I mean, again, it's my 2871 01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:59,610 opinion, but it seems meant to 2872 01:19:59,610 --> 01:20:01,170 be inflamed. matory. Right. And 2873 01:20:01,170 --> 01:20:02,130 I think that's your whole point 2874 01:20:02,130 --> 01:20:03,030 that that wouldn't be the way 2875 01:20:03,030 --> 01:20:04,050 you'd go about this. If you were 2876 01:20:04,050 --> 01:20:05,940 truly trying to inform people or 2877 01:20:06,030 --> 01:20:07,440 actually run for president 2878 01:20:07,470 --> 01:20:09,900 candidacy, you know, but I think 2879 01:20:09,900 --> 01:20:10,770 that we're being set up. I 2880 01:20:10,770 --> 01:20:11,280 really do. 2881 01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:12,690 Yeah. I mean, that's how it 2882 01:20:12,690 --> 01:20:14,280 seems to me. And you know, what 2883 01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:15,090 I've talked about a lot, 2884 01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:16,380 especially in the context of my 2885 01:20:16,380 --> 01:20:17,910 book is how government right now 2886 01:20:17,940 --> 01:20:19,500 is organized crime and its 2887 01:20:19,500 --> 01:20:21,390 transnational. I talk a lot 2888 01:20:21,390 --> 01:20:22,770 about in the book, for example, 2889 01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,350 how there were like Robert 2890 01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:26,940 Maxwell, obviously, because of 2891 01:20:26,940 --> 01:20:27,900 Glenn Maxwell and Jeffrey 2892 01:20:27,900 --> 01:20:30,030 Epstein. Robert Maxwell, 2893 01:20:30,060 --> 01:20:31,290 according to top people in the 2894 01:20:31,290 --> 01:20:33,900 US FBI before he died set into 2895 01:20:33,900 --> 01:20:36,210 motion, a global coalition of 2896 01:20:36,210 --> 01:20:37,890 organized crime, he united 2897 01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:39,960 organized crime groups all the 2898 01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,300 way from Japan, to Eastern 2899 01:20:42,300 --> 01:20:44,460 Europe to the Middle East and 2900 01:20:44,460 --> 01:20:46,770 Europe and beyond. Yeah, yeah. 2901 01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:48,870 He's credited with doing that. 2902 01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,240 One of his key business partners 2903 01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:52,140 was a guy named Semion 2904 01:20:52,140 --> 01:20:54,000 Mogilevich, who's Ukrainian. But 2905 01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:55,110 this of course, you know, was 2906 01:20:55,110 --> 01:20:56,280 when the Soviet Union was still 2907 01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:59,430 around. And he, Robert Maxwell 2908 01:20:59,460 --> 01:21:02,580 with Israel's approval, got 2909 01:21:02,610 --> 01:21:04,530 Mogilevich Israeli passports, 2910 01:21:04,530 --> 01:21:07,050 which enabled him to take his 2911 01:21:07,050 --> 01:21:08,640 organized crime activities, not 2912 01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:09,630 just to Israel, but to the 2913 01:21:09,630 --> 01:21:11,190 United States and beyond. Right, 2914 01:21:11,220 --> 01:21:13,950 allowed him to go global. Right. 2915 01:21:14,370 --> 01:21:16,710 So, you know, if people want to 2916 01:21:16,710 --> 01:21:17,820 talk about specifically 2917 01:21:17,820 --> 01:21:19,110 conservatives about the US 2918 01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:20,550 having a deep state, Israel 2919 01:21:20,550 --> 01:21:22,230 provably has the equivalent of 2920 01:21:22,230 --> 01:21:24,780 that, yeah, in a huge way. And 2921 01:21:24,780 --> 01:21:25,920 their involvement with some of 2922 01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:27,480 these organized crime networks 2923 01:21:27,480 --> 01:21:29,070 in Ukraine is considerable. So 2924 01:21:29,070 --> 01:21:31,800 when people want to find answers 2925 01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:34,230 as to why Solinsky is allowing 2926 01:21:34,230 --> 01:21:35,580 airsoft battalion to operate, 2927 01:21:35,580 --> 01:21:37,410 why Israel is giving you no 2928 01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:39,150 money to as off battalion, all 2929 01:21:39,150 --> 01:21:40,290 of this, you will probably find 2930 01:21:40,290 --> 01:21:41,220 the answer and the fact that 2931 01:21:41,220 --> 01:21:42,690 organized crime is in charge of 2932 01:21:42,690 --> 01:21:44,220 multiple governments around the 2933 01:21:44,220 --> 01:21:47,850 world. And, you know, yeah, I 2934 01:21:47,850 --> 01:21:49,140 don't think they want people 2935 01:21:49,170 --> 01:21:50,460 looking into these types of 2936 01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:51,930 networks, obviously, 2937 01:21:52,020 --> 01:21:53,850 if not, they are organized crime 2938 01:21:53,850 --> 01:21:54,870 entirely, right. I mean, I 2939 01:21:54,870 --> 01:21:55,950 remember you and I talking about 2940 01:21:55,950 --> 01:21:58,050 this, you know, a while back and 2941 01:21:58,230 --> 01:21:59,460 the interesting points about, 2942 01:21:59,460 --> 01:22:01,230 you know, whether, whether, you 2943 01:22:01,230 --> 01:22:02,400 know, just for and who knows if 2944 01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:03,630 its entirety or not, but whether 2945 01:22:03,630 --> 01:22:05,130 at some point, and this was all 2946 01:22:05,130 --> 01:22:06,360 based on your research about the 2947 01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:08,580 overlap of the Jewish mob at the 2948 01:22:08,580 --> 01:22:10,230 time with, you know, the, the 2949 01:22:10,260 --> 01:22:11,340 during prohibition and the 2950 01:22:11,370 --> 01:22:12,150 overlaps, and all these 2951 01:22:12,150 --> 01:22:13,110 different timeframes about 2952 01:22:13,110 --> 01:22:15,030 whether the organized crime 2953 01:22:15,060 --> 01:22:16,890 essentially took over the 2954 01:22:16,890 --> 01:22:17,970 government and just realize, 2955 01:22:17,970 --> 01:22:19,080 well, hey, if we play the game 2956 01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:19,950 the right way, we can just 2957 01:22:19,950 --> 01:22:20,940 become the government and 2958 01:22:21,060 --> 01:22:22,020 they're playing the same game. 2959 01:22:22,020 --> 01:22:22,920 They're just better at it, you 2960 01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:24,180 know? Yeah. And I think 2961 01:22:24,210 --> 01:22:25,320 genuinely, that's where we are 2962 01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:26,550 today, you know, whether it's 2963 01:22:26,580 --> 01:22:28,110 exactly that or not, it's, 2964 01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:29,340 they've essentially become that, 2965 01:22:29,340 --> 01:22:30,720 but I wonder whether it is 2966 01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:32,310 actually that, you know, and 2967 01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:33,390 they just decided amongst 2968 01:22:33,390 --> 01:22:34,770 themselves, we're just no longer 2969 01:22:34,770 --> 01:22:35,910 gonna tell on each other. You 2970 01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:37,140 know, it's very interesting 2971 01:22:37,140 --> 01:22:39,210 conversation. Yeah. I mean, I 2972 01:22:39,210 --> 01:22:40,140 know you do get into that in 2973 01:22:40,140 --> 01:22:41,310 your book, right. I recommend 2974 01:22:41,310 --> 01:22:42,150 people check that out. If I 2975 01:22:42,150 --> 01:22:42,990 haven't said that before. I 2976 01:22:42,990 --> 01:22:43,590 think it's yeah, 2977 01:22:43,620 --> 01:22:45,600 no, I do. I do talk a lot about 2978 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:46,740 that stuff in the book. But you 2979 01:22:46,740 --> 01:22:48,780 know, as I see it, it's not 2980 01:22:48,780 --> 01:22:49,980 just, you know, this particular 2981 01:22:49,980 --> 01:22:50,760 group that got in bed with 2982 01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:52,260 intelligence and took over a lot 2983 01:22:52,260 --> 01:22:53,760 of political power for itself 2984 01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:55,170 has evolved over time. So 2985 01:22:55,170 --> 01:22:56,160 originally, it was sort of this 2986 01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:57,510 National Crime Syndicate, as it 2987 01:22:57,510 --> 01:22:58,680 was called, which was mostly a 2988 01:22:58,680 --> 01:22:59,730 coming together of the Jewish 2989 01:22:59,730 --> 01:23:01,620 mob and the Italian Mafia. But 2990 01:23:01,620 --> 01:23:02,790 you look at it over time, and 2991 01:23:02,790 --> 01:23:04,260 most of the Italian Mafia guys 2992 01:23:04,260 --> 01:23:05,820 got taken out by none other than 2993 01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:09,360 Rudy Giuliani in the 1980s. And 2994 01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:10,890 to me, that was consolidation of 2995 01:23:10,890 --> 01:23:12,210 control, they framed it as the 2996 01:23:12,210 --> 01:23:13,140 end of organized crime, the 2997 01:23:13,140 --> 01:23:14,190 United States. And that's not 2998 01:23:14,190 --> 01:23:15,480 the case. Because you have 2999 01:23:15,480 --> 01:23:17,520 people like I prove, basically, 3000 01:23:17,550 --> 01:23:18,720 you know, I make a really 3001 01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:19,860 convincing case, in my opinion, 3002 01:23:19,860 --> 01:23:22,050 of course, in the book that 3003 01:23:22,050 --> 01:23:23,220 people like Leslie Wexner, well, 3004 01:23:23,220 --> 01:23:24,150 actually, unless the Webster's 3005 01:23:24,150 --> 01:23:25,290 case, it's a documented 3006 01:23:25,290 --> 01:23:26,850 organized crime connection, he 3007 01:23:26,850 --> 01:23:29,430 has documented ties to organized 3008 01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:30,480 crime that you just can't, 3009 01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:31,980 unless you want to say that, 3010 01:23:31,980 --> 01:23:34,410 like local police in Ohio, and 3011 01:23:34,410 --> 01:23:35,610 you know, even beyond that, at 3012 01:23:35,610 --> 01:23:36,720 the state level are full of 3013 01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:38,910 shit. You know, they say it, 3014 01:23:38,970 --> 01:23:40,860 that's not nothing for me, you 3015 01:23:40,860 --> 01:23:43,200 know. So, you know, the 3016 01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:44,430 organized crime stuff is still 3017 01:23:44,430 --> 01:23:48,060 around. And it's definitely, you 3018 01:23:48,060 --> 01:23:49,950 know, once enough Americans 3019 01:23:49,950 --> 01:23:50,880 realize the government is 3020 01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:52,170 organized crime, I feel like 3021 01:23:52,170 --> 01:23:53,430 something has to happen, you 3022 01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:54,300 know what I mean? But if we're 3023 01:23:54,300 --> 01:23:56,580 going to cheap in the actual 3024 01:23:56,580 --> 01:23:57,750 discourse, and the actual 3025 01:23:57,750 --> 01:24:00,180 reality, to you know, Kanye 3026 01:24:00,180 --> 01:24:01,530 West, going around, and like 3027 01:24:01,530 --> 01:24:02,880 screaming about stuff on Alex 3028 01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:04,200 Jones's show, like, no one's 3029 01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:05,610 gonna bother to engage with 3030 01:24:05,610 --> 01:24:08,520 like, actual research about the 3031 01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:10,140 powers that be 3032 01:24:10,169 --> 01:24:11,489 that's exactly what I think this 3033 01:24:11,489 --> 01:24:13,199 is being done for I and I know, 3034 01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:14,429 this is something that not 3035 01:24:14,429 --> 01:24:15,839 everyone agrees with. But you 3036 01:24:15,839 --> 01:24:16,709 know, I've been saying this 3037 01:24:16,739 --> 01:24:18,209 before COVID. But clearly, 3038 01:24:18,209 --> 01:24:19,799 through this whole illusion, I 3039 01:24:19,799 --> 01:24:20,909 think things have shifted quite 3040 01:24:20,909 --> 01:24:22,049 dramatically. And maybe it is 3041 01:24:22,049 --> 01:24:23,039 just because of you. And I 3042 01:24:23,039 --> 01:24:24,719 talked about how clumsy this 3043 01:24:24,719 --> 01:24:25,889 was, and how it sort of forced 3044 01:24:25,889 --> 01:24:27,029 people to realize that they're 3045 01:24:27,029 --> 01:24:27,899 being lied to you whether 3046 01:24:27,959 --> 01:24:29,159 Ukraine or any other thing we've 3047 01:24:29,159 --> 01:24:30,419 seen since the beginning of 3048 01:24:30,419 --> 01:24:32,309 this, but that, that most people 3049 01:24:32,309 --> 01:24:33,269 are seeing through this. And I 3050 01:24:33,269 --> 01:24:34,079 think these are acts of 3051 01:24:34,079 --> 01:24:35,969 desperation to try to shock 3052 01:24:35,969 --> 01:24:37,649 people back into place, you 3053 01:24:37,649 --> 01:24:39,179 know, like that. When's the last 3054 01:24:39,179 --> 01:24:40,139 time we saw this kind of 3055 01:24:40,169 --> 01:24:41,789 madness, from all different 3056 01:24:41,789 --> 01:24:42,869 angles? I mean, whether it's the 3057 01:24:42,869 --> 01:24:43,859 great reset, or COVID, or 3058 01:24:43,859 --> 01:24:44,939 Ukraine or Kanye, I mean, it's 3059 01:24:44,939 --> 01:24:46,199 just everything's spinning out 3060 01:24:46,199 --> 01:24:47,189 of control. And we all feel 3061 01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:48,899 that, but I think it's not. I 3062 01:24:48,899 --> 01:24:50,249 mean, part of it is by design, I 3063 01:24:50,249 --> 01:24:51,839 think to drive people back into 3064 01:24:51,839 --> 01:24:53,489 their place, because people just 3065 01:24:53,489 --> 01:24:54,419 aren't really buying everything 3066 01:24:54,419 --> 01:24:55,439 right now. Even people that were 3067 01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:56,879 moments ago, buying things are 3068 01:24:56,879 --> 01:24:58,259 kind of like, I'm just gonna 3069 01:24:58,259 --> 01:24:59,219 pause for a minute, you know, 3070 01:24:59,249 --> 01:25:00,179 I'm not going to take that A new 3071 01:25:00,179 --> 01:25:00,959 booster. I don't know what's 3072 01:25:00,959 --> 01:25:02,219 going on right now. People are 3073 01:25:02,219 --> 01:25:03,449 listening more to people like 3074 01:25:03,449 --> 01:25:04,829 you and information like this 3075 01:25:04,829 --> 01:25:06,239 than ever before. That's what I 3076 01:25:06,239 --> 01:25:07,289 think this is all meant to do. 3077 01:25:07,710 --> 01:25:09,450 Yeah, yeah, it's really 3078 01:25:09,450 --> 01:25:10,380 possible. I mean, it's 3079 01:25:10,380 --> 01:25:11,700 definitely possible. So really 3080 01:25:11,700 --> 01:25:12,600 quick, I want to give a quick 3081 01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:13,950 overview before we wrap up about 3082 01:25:13,950 --> 01:25:16,200 some of this some other stuff go 3083 01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:17,250 a little farther back than we've 3084 01:25:17,250 --> 01:25:18,540 already gone about the domestic 3085 01:25:18,540 --> 01:25:20,850 terror stuff. And where this all 3086 01:25:20,850 --> 01:25:23,250 really comes from. So in the 3087 01:25:23,250 --> 01:25:25,260 book, right, I write a lot about 3088 01:25:25,350 --> 01:25:27,240 Iran Contra and different parts 3089 01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:29,310 of it and the particular power 3090 01:25:29,310 --> 01:25:30,960 Nexus that was responsible for 3091 01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,090 that. Yeah. So you have people 3092 01:25:33,090 --> 01:25:34,500 like Jeffrey Epstein and his 3093 01:25:34,500 --> 01:25:36,360 crowd in that mix. More 3094 01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:38,070 specifically, Robert Maxwell. 3095 01:25:38,250 --> 01:25:39,150 And that side of it, you have 3096 01:25:39,150 --> 01:25:40,590 Israeli intelligence, you also 3097 01:25:40,590 --> 01:25:42,630 have US intelligence in the CIA. 3098 01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:44,220 And you have a lot of other 3099 01:25:44,220 --> 01:25:46,080 actors, but the main players you 3100 01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,390 could probably argue, are us and 3101 01:25:48,390 --> 01:25:50,970 Israeli intelligence. Yeah. When 3102 01:25:50,970 --> 01:25:52,470 Iran Contra is going on one of 3103 01:25:52,470 --> 01:25:54,270 the key guys involved in it, who 3104 01:25:54,270 --> 01:25:55,470 people are probably familiar 3105 01:25:55,470 --> 01:25:57,570 with Oliver North, was 3106 01:25:57,570 --> 01:25:58,980 testifying as part of the 3107 01:25:58,980 --> 01:26:00,630 investigations into Iran Contra, 3108 01:26:00,630 --> 01:26:01,770 and he's asked essentially, 3109 01:26:01,770 --> 01:26:03,600 about the main core database, 3110 01:26:03,780 --> 01:26:05,220 and then the line of questioning 3111 01:26:05,220 --> 01:26:06,660 is shut down. Right. It's not 3112 01:26:06,660 --> 01:26:09,210 allowed to be answered. Yeah. So 3113 01:26:09,570 --> 01:26:11,370 you just record date? Sorry. 3114 01:26:11,370 --> 01:26:13,110 Yeah. Yeah, there's clips around 3115 01:26:13,500 --> 01:26:15,390 of that particular exchange. And 3116 01:26:15,390 --> 01:26:17,490 they're very instructive about, 3117 01:26:17,550 --> 01:26:18,720 you know, what part of what was 3118 01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:20,340 going on here? So basically, 3119 01:26:20,340 --> 01:26:22,860 main cord was created between 3120 01:26:22,890 --> 01:26:24,120 with the involvement of US 3121 01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:26,970 intelligence and also Israeli 3122 01:26:26,970 --> 01:26:28,950 intelligence. Yeah. All right. 3123 01:26:28,980 --> 01:26:32,130 It was a creation of a database 3124 01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:34,020 of perceived dissidents, 3125 01:26:34,170 --> 01:26:35,910 American dissidents who had 3126 01:26:35,910 --> 01:26:38,010 committed no crime. Yeah. But 3127 01:26:38,010 --> 01:26:39,510 they were deemed unfriendly, 3128 01:26:39,510 --> 01:26:41,250 quote, unquote, and could be 3129 01:26:41,250 --> 01:26:43,530 rounded up in the event of a 3130 01:26:43,530 --> 01:26:44,940 vaguely defined national 3131 01:26:45,060 --> 01:26:46,530 emergency. This is part of what 3132 01:26:46,530 --> 01:26:48,120 is known as the continuity of 3133 01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:49,710 government protocols. Right. 3134 01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:52,020 Yeah. In the event that there's 3135 01:26:52,020 --> 01:26:53,460 an attempt to overthrow the 3136 01:26:53,460 --> 01:26:54,510 United States government, 3137 01:26:54,510 --> 01:26:56,520 basically. Or but I mean, you 3138 01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:57,630 would assume it would be that 3139 01:26:57,630 --> 01:27:00,000 right. But no, it's also, as 3140 01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,100 they wrote it, if too many 3141 01:27:02,100 --> 01:27:03,930 people protest against the US 3142 01:27:03,930 --> 01:27:06,030 military intervention abroad, 3143 01:27:06,060 --> 01:27:09,000 well, this can be activated. 3144 01:27:09,390 --> 01:27:11,040 Yeah, you and I've talked about 3145 01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:12,210 this a few times, I think and 3146 01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:13,410 like the, you know, the Reagan 3147 01:27:13,410 --> 01:27:14,880 shadow government overlap. And 3148 01:27:14,910 --> 01:27:16,050 you know, how that played a part 3149 01:27:16,050 --> 01:27:17,340 in this. And, you know, it's 3150 01:27:17,340 --> 01:27:19,230 very, it's very interesting that 3151 01:27:19,230 --> 01:27:20,490 there, there's numerous times to 3152 01:27:20,490 --> 01:27:21,630 this been discussed. But I think 3153 01:27:21,630 --> 01:27:22,830 it's most telling that this was 3154 01:27:23,010 --> 01:27:24,600 briefly pointed out, I think the 3155 01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:25,830 continuity of government point, 3156 01:27:25,980 --> 01:27:27,750 during COVID, for example, or 3157 01:27:27,750 --> 01:27:28,680 during a few different things, 3158 01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:29,520 but the point that you make 3159 01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:31,320 there about protesting foreign 3160 01:27:31,470 --> 01:27:32,370 governments, I mean, we're 3161 01:27:32,370 --> 01:27:34,170 seeing this happen all over, 3162 01:27:34,170 --> 01:27:35,280 where if you just put like for 3163 01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:36,360 here's a good overlap, like 3164 01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:38,340 pointing out how CNN is calling 3165 01:27:38,340 --> 01:27:40,110 the protests in China freedom 3166 01:27:40,110 --> 01:27:41,670 fighters, but when we protest 3167 01:27:41,670 --> 01:27:42,960 COVID lockdowns in this country 3168 01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:44,130 were terrorists, you know, it's 3169 01:27:44,130 --> 01:27:45,660 all subjective. And I think the 3170 01:27:45,660 --> 01:27:46,860 real point is they can choose 3171 01:27:46,860 --> 01:27:47,880 and pick and choose where and 3172 01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:49,470 how they want to apply this, you 3173 01:27:49,470 --> 01:27:50,520 know, and ultimately, it just 3174 01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:51,990 makes you know, you're if you're 3175 01:27:52,050 --> 01:27:53,220 challenging the government 3176 01:27:53,220 --> 01:27:55,530 narrative, you are on this list. 3177 01:27:55,530 --> 01:27:56,760 I think that's pretty obviously 3178 01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:57,960 clear today. And I think the 3179 01:27:57,960 --> 01:27:58,830 problem is that it's already 3180 01:27:58,830 --> 01:28:00,330 been exposed that a lot of media 3181 01:28:00,330 --> 01:28:01,830 personalities, and so on, are on 3182 01:28:01,830 --> 01:28:03,150 these kinds of lists. And it's, 3183 01:28:03,180 --> 01:28:03,570 it's, 3184 01:28:03,630 --> 01:28:06,030 it's Yeah, so, um, to follow 3185 01:28:06,030 --> 01:28:07,590 that up, right. So main core 3186 01:28:07,590 --> 01:28:10,260 never went away. It has 3187 01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:12,840 continued to be active. It's 3188 01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,480 still active today. Yeah. During 3189 01:28:15,480 --> 01:28:18,420 911, it was seen being accessed 3190 01:28:18,480 --> 01:28:20,520 on White House computers. The 3191 01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:22,530 last mainstream, while I'd say 3192 01:28:22,530 --> 01:28:24,300 rather mainstream adjacent 3193 01:28:24,390 --> 01:28:27,270 reporting, on Main, on main core 3194 01:28:27,270 --> 01:28:31,020 was from like, 2008. And in that 3195 01:28:31,020 --> 01:28:32,550 reporting, they basically talked 3196 01:28:32,550 --> 01:28:33,690 about how main court had 3197 01:28:33,690 --> 01:28:39,060 developed to basically be it 3198 01:28:39,060 --> 01:28:40,800 profiles, Americans, right. But 3199 01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:44,610 everything the NSA, or other 3200 01:28:44,610 --> 01:28:45,720 intelligence agencies have 3201 01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,150 sucked out, or all the data 3202 01:28:48,150 --> 01:28:50,010 they've liked, you know, certain 3203 01:28:50,010 --> 01:28:51,660 surveilled and obtained from 3204 01:28:51,660 --> 01:28:53,130 you, through illegal 3205 01:28:53,130 --> 01:28:54,930 surveillance programs is under 3206 01:28:54,930 --> 01:28:56,220 your profile, right? It's all 3207 01:28:56,220 --> 01:28:57,600 there, like your financial 3208 01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,220 activity, all your search 3209 01:28:59,220 --> 01:29:01,080 history, whatever, all that 3210 01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:02,220 stuff's on there. Whether it 3211 01:29:02,220 --> 01:29:03,420 comes from Facebook, Google, it 3212 01:29:03,420 --> 01:29:04,740 doesn't really matter. Right? 3213 01:29:04,770 --> 01:29:09,720 That's all there. Okay. So the 3214 01:29:09,750 --> 01:29:11,100 the way to turn these masses of 3215 01:29:11,100 --> 01:29:12,060 data into actionable 3216 01:29:12,060 --> 01:29:13,380 intelligence and decide who gets 3217 01:29:13,380 --> 01:29:14,640 into main core is not is 3218 01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,160 Palantir. Yeah, just Peter 3219 01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:20,310 TEALS. Company. But let's go 3220 01:29:20,310 --> 01:29:22,110 back a second. So 911 happens, 3221 01:29:22,110 --> 01:29:23,370 right? And there's, you know, 3222 01:29:23,460 --> 01:29:26,370 this desire, apparently, to use 3223 01:29:26,370 --> 01:29:27,420 main core, and there's this 3224 01:29:27,420 --> 01:29:30,420 previous agenda. Developed in 3225 01:29:30,420 --> 01:29:31,350 the Reagan administration. 3226 01:29:31,350 --> 01:29:32,250 There's obviously a lot of 3227 01:29:32,250 --> 01:29:34,080 overlap between George W. Bush's 3228 01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:35,580 administration and the Reagan 3229 01:29:35,580 --> 01:29:40,200 era, right? To further this idea 3230 01:29:40,230 --> 01:29:42,450 of domestic terror, pre crime, 3231 01:29:42,540 --> 01:29:44,520 stop terror before it starts, 3232 01:29:44,550 --> 01:29:46,320 and so on. This led to the 3233 01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:47,400 development of the total 3234 01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:48,840 Information Awareness Program at 3235 01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:51,030 DARPA, which was going to be run 3236 01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:52,740 by John Poindexter, who was one 3237 01:29:52,740 --> 01:29:54,390 of the top co conspirators in 3238 01:29:54,390 --> 01:29:55,950 Iran Contra who was actually 3239 01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:58,080 indicted and convicted but of 3240 01:29:58,080 --> 01:29:59,310 course, pardoned by William 3241 01:29:59,310 --> 01:30:01,860 Barr. You 1991 So he didn't 3242 01:30:01,860 --> 01:30:02,880 actually serve prison time I 3243 01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:04,140 don't pollution. But anyway, 3244 01:30:04,140 --> 01:30:05,100 he's the guy that decided to put 3245 01:30:05,100 --> 01:30:06,360 in front of the and in charge of 3246 01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:07,710 this, what a coincidence, right. 3247 01:30:08,010 --> 01:30:09,300 And total information awareness 3248 01:30:09,300 --> 01:30:11,520 is all about stopping pre 3249 01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:12,660 current, you know, stopping 3250 01:30:12,690 --> 01:30:14,010 terrorist attacks before they 3251 01:30:14,010 --> 01:30:15,870 happen. But not just that. There 3252 01:30:15,870 --> 01:30:17,490 was, as we've talked about a bio 3253 01:30:17,490 --> 01:30:18,540 surveillance program that was 3254 01:30:18,540 --> 01:30:20,400 about stopping pandemics before 3255 01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:21,900 they happen. Wow. So ahead of 3256 01:30:21,900 --> 01:30:25,500 its time, not really. What 3257 01:30:25,500 --> 01:30:26,460 happened with COVID was just 3258 01:30:26,460 --> 01:30:27,900 part of an older agenda, right? 3259 01:30:27,930 --> 01:30:30,630 But total information awareness 3260 01:30:30,630 --> 01:30:32,340 gets shut down, because people 3261 01:30:32,340 --> 01:30:33,630 point out it will in privacy in 3262 01:30:33,630 --> 01:30:34,980 America and profile innocent 3263 01:30:34,980 --> 01:30:36,450 Americans. And it's, you know, 3264 01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:38,250 what a dictatorship would do. 3265 01:30:38,460 --> 01:30:39,930 That doesn't stop them. Instead, 3266 01:30:39,930 --> 01:30:41,160 Peter Thiel teamed up with the 3267 01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:43,560 CIA to resurrect it as Palantir. 3268 01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:44,520 And one of the key people 3269 01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:45,570 involved in that was Richard 3270 01:30:45,570 --> 01:30:47,520 Perle, who has a very 3271 01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:49,230 complicated and very disturbing 3272 01:30:49,230 --> 01:30:50,550 relationship with Israeli 3273 01:30:50,550 --> 01:30:51,810 intelligence going back to I 3274 01:30:51,810 --> 01:30:53,700 believe, the 70s. And of course, 3275 01:30:53,700 --> 01:30:54,390 he was in the Reagan 3276 01:30:54,390 --> 01:30:55,470 administration in the Department 3277 01:30:55,470 --> 01:30:56,580 of Defense at the time, he was 3278 01:30:56,580 --> 01:30:58,650 advising Peter Thiel about this. 3279 01:30:58,650 --> 01:30:59,670 And then Peter Thiel at the same 3280 01:30:59,670 --> 01:31:02,010 time, develops and helps put 3281 01:31:02,010 --> 01:31:03,660 Facebook on the map by get by, 3282 01:31:03,690 --> 01:31:04,800 you know, turning them into the 3283 01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:06,060 corporation, they are today 3284 01:31:06,270 --> 01:31:08,670 becoming their first big funder, 3285 01:31:08,670 --> 01:31:10,440 right, which was Facebook itself 3286 01:31:10,440 --> 01:31:11,820 was a successor to a related 3287 01:31:11,820 --> 01:31:13,740 DARPA program called Lifelog, 3288 01:31:14,070 --> 01:31:15,780 which is also about profiling 3289 01:31:15,780 --> 01:31:17,460 you and deciding how naughty you 3290 01:31:17,460 --> 01:31:21,030 are. Right, exactly. So these 3291 01:31:21,030 --> 01:31:23,130 agendas still exist. And this 3292 01:31:23,220 --> 01:31:25,440 desire, what we're seeing now we 3293 01:31:25,440 --> 01:31:26,520 talked about the more recent 3294 01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:27,540 history, the domestic terror 3295 01:31:27,540 --> 01:31:29,820 program in 2019, and pre crime 3296 01:31:29,820 --> 01:31:31,350 and Harpa and ARPA H, and all of 3297 01:31:31,350 --> 01:31:32,820 that earlier, but this has been 3298 01:31:32,820 --> 01:31:34,290 going on a very long time, you 3299 01:31:34,290 --> 01:31:35,550 can arguably trace it even 3300 01:31:35,550 --> 01:31:37,260 before the 80s back to the 3301 01:31:37,260 --> 01:31:38,940 Vietnam era, which actually 3302 01:31:38,940 --> 01:31:40,320 Yasha Levine and surveillance 3303 01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:42,060 Valley does quite convincingly. 3304 01:31:43,410 --> 01:31:44,790 But there has been an effort by 3305 01:31:44,790 --> 01:31:46,830 the national security state to 3306 01:31:46,830 --> 01:31:49,080 use the same policies are 3307 01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:51,780 really, you know, dissident 3308 01:31:51,810 --> 01:31:53,970 elimination programs that they 3309 01:31:53,970 --> 01:31:55,740 initially have done, you know, 3310 01:31:55,770 --> 01:31:57,780 in most cases have done abroad, 3311 01:31:58,590 --> 01:32:00,360 the Phoenix program in Vietnam, 3312 01:32:00,510 --> 01:32:01,860 Operation Condor in Latin 3313 01:32:01,860 --> 01:32:04,140 America, the the quote unquote 3314 01:32:04,140 --> 01:32:05,430 Deep State, which I don't like 3315 01:32:05,430 --> 01:32:06,630 that term, I prefer the national 3316 01:32:06,630 --> 01:32:07,800 security state because it's more 3317 01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:10,650 accurate. I have wanted to use 3318 01:32:10,650 --> 01:32:12,450 that in America for a very long 3319 01:32:12,450 --> 01:32:15,510 time. They need the pretext to 3320 01:32:15,510 --> 01:32:17,250 do it, they need people to think 3321 01:32:17,250 --> 01:32:19,050 the threat is enough. And they 3322 01:32:19,050 --> 01:32:20,670 need a certain amount, not the 3323 01:32:20,670 --> 01:32:21,930 entire population, not even a 3324 01:32:21,930 --> 01:32:23,310 majority, but a segment of the 3325 01:32:23,310 --> 01:32:27,060 population to support them. And 3326 01:32:27,210 --> 01:32:28,080 from what we've been talking 3327 01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,150 about today, it seems like Kanye 3328 01:32:30,150 --> 01:32:32,550 West because of his visibility. 3329 01:32:32,910 --> 01:32:35,700 And now in recent iterations, 3330 01:32:35,700 --> 01:32:37,020 the outrageousness of his 3331 01:32:37,020 --> 01:32:39,690 behavior is going to be part of 3332 01:32:39,690 --> 01:32:41,610 the pretext there. But I don't 3333 01:32:41,610 --> 01:32:43,320 think it's going to necessarily 3334 01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:46,530 be just him. But I think this is 3335 01:32:46,530 --> 01:32:50,100 going to be utilized towards 3336 01:32:50,100 --> 01:32:52,080 these ends, however, that 3337 01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:55,020 develops remains to be seen. But 3338 01:32:55,440 --> 01:32:56,550 I would encourage people 3339 01:32:56,550 --> 01:32:58,950 listening, we should not be 3340 01:32:58,950 --> 01:33:00,660 feeding the rhetoric about haha, 3341 01:33:00,660 --> 01:33:02,040 Kanye West is so insane, blah, 3342 01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:03,210 blah, blah, there is obviously 3343 01:33:03,210 --> 01:33:05,130 something that is using this for 3344 01:33:05,130 --> 01:33:06,690 very sinister ends. And we 3345 01:33:06,690 --> 01:33:08,490 should be bringing attention to 3346 01:33:08,490 --> 01:33:11,190 that information to the into 3347 01:33:11,190 --> 01:33:13,050 those agendas, because it's 3348 01:33:13,050 --> 01:33:14,310 intimately tied up with the 3349 01:33:14,310 --> 01:33:15,840 efforts to completely eliminate 3350 01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:17,370 free speech and it states, 3351 01:33:17,490 --> 01:33:19,020 particularly online, at least 3352 01:33:19,020 --> 01:33:21,810 first, right, and then usher in 3353 01:33:22,380 --> 01:33:24,030 what they have been trying to do 3354 01:33:24,060 --> 01:33:26,370 for decades now, a pre crime 3355 01:33:26,370 --> 01:33:26,970 system. 3356 01:33:28,290 --> 01:33:29,820 Completely agree. I mean, I 3357 01:33:29,820 --> 01:33:31,170 would argue just like with the 3358 01:33:31,380 --> 01:33:33,210 great reset agenda that we've 3359 01:33:33,210 --> 01:33:34,590 just read, reached this moment 3360 01:33:34,590 --> 01:33:36,390 now where the technological 3361 01:33:36,390 --> 01:33:37,890 advancements are enough to where 3362 01:33:37,890 --> 01:33:39,090 they can execute these things 3363 01:33:39,090 --> 01:33:39,990 like whether, you know, the 3364 01:33:39,990 --> 01:33:41,250 total information surveillance 3365 01:33:41,250 --> 01:33:43,980 and so on, you know, was clearly 3366 01:33:43,980 --> 01:33:45,510 continuing, but now they're at a 3367 01:33:45,510 --> 01:33:46,470 point where this can be 3368 01:33:46,470 --> 01:33:48,150 executed, I think and achieved 3369 01:33:48,150 --> 01:33:50,070 in a certain level that weren't 3370 01:33:50,100 --> 01:33:51,510 that wasn't possible, then 3371 01:33:51,570 --> 01:33:52,500 they're going back to the Reagan 3372 01:33:52,500 --> 01:33:53,700 administration. Right. And so 3373 01:33:53,790 --> 01:33:54,870 that's kind of where I think we 3374 01:33:54,870 --> 01:33:55,800 are and I think you're right, I 3375 01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:57,750 think this is all being lined up 3376 01:33:57,750 --> 01:33:59,760 perfectly. And whether they know 3377 01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:01,320 this or not, are being used and 3378 01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:02,520 we just need to be very careful 3379 01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:03,420 about that. Because these 3380 01:34:03,420 --> 01:34:04,980 actions are being you know, 3381 01:34:04,980 --> 01:34:06,090 they're pointing at the comments 3382 01:34:06,090 --> 01:34:07,560 of people in the the the things 3383 01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:09,570 they say alongside this as the 3384 01:34:09,570 --> 01:34:11,100 bigger picture and showing how 3385 01:34:11,100 --> 01:34:12,360 people agree or don't agree and 3386 01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:13,710 this will be used against us 3387 01:34:13,890 --> 01:34:15,000 very clearly, you know, and no, 3388 01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:16,770 like we I am I'm a free speech 3389 01:34:16,770 --> 01:34:17,910 absolutist and I've made that 3390 01:34:17,910 --> 01:34:19,410 clear, but it doesn't mean they 3391 01:34:19,410 --> 01:34:21,030 still won't use that against us 3392 01:34:21,030 --> 01:34:22,950 right so and I'm I'm absolutely 3393 01:34:22,950 --> 01:34:24,390 against self censorship either, 3394 01:34:24,510 --> 01:34:26,340 but this conversation is going 3395 01:34:26,340 --> 01:34:27,660 to be used to censor your 3396 01:34:27,660 --> 01:34:29,160 speech. And you know, we need to 3397 01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:30,240 fight back against that. So 3398 01:34:30,330 --> 01:34:31,470 thanks. Thank you for having 3399 01:34:31,470 --> 01:34:32,490 this conversation today. I think 3400 01:34:32,490 --> 01:34:33,060 this is important. 3401 01:34:33,390 --> 01:34:34,530 Yeah, thanks for being here. 3402 01:34:34,530 --> 01:34:35,820 Ryan. So why don't you let 3403 01:34:35,850 --> 01:34:37,290 people know where they can find 3404 01:34:37,290 --> 01:34:38,250 you and follow your work? 3405 01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:40,230 Oh, yeah, this the last American 3406 01:34:40,230 --> 01:34:42,300 vagabond.com That's that's the 3407 01:34:42,330 --> 01:34:44,430 central hub for all of this you 3408 01:34:44,430 --> 01:34:45,270 know, whatever else you want. 3409 01:34:45,270 --> 01:34:46,290 We're not you know, my daily 3410 01:34:46,290 --> 01:34:47,970 Wrap Up Show. Now rebuffed is 3411 01:34:47,970 --> 01:34:49,290 now part of Eli we're doing the 3412 01:34:49,290 --> 01:34:51,810 pirate stream pirates free media 3413 01:34:51,810 --> 01:34:52,920 discussion, which you and I 3414 01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:54,270 should talk more about, but the 3415 01:34:54,300 --> 01:34:56,370 the everything you'd find her to 3416 01:34:56,370 --> 01:34:57,360 live will be there but we're on 3417 01:34:57,360 --> 01:34:58,440 every possible channel out 3418 01:34:58,440 --> 01:34:59,460 there. So check us out. 3419 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,530 And I know you've been censored 3420 01:35:01,530 --> 01:35:03,060 a lot on Twitter, do you want to 3421 01:35:03,060 --> 01:35:04,260 share your current Twitter 3422 01:35:04,260 --> 01:35:06,930 handle? Your telegram channel? 3423 01:35:06,930 --> 01:35:08,340 Anything? Anything like that? 3424 01:35:08,340 --> 01:35:10,290 Since you know, I know that you 3425 01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:11,430 have expressed like, since 3426 01:35:11,430 --> 01:35:12,300 you've been deleted from a lot 3427 01:35:12,300 --> 01:35:13,500 of the big platforms, people are 3428 01:35:13,500 --> 01:35:14,340 like, do you have just 3429 01:35:14,340 --> 01:35:15,090 disappeared? And you're like, 3430 01:35:15,090 --> 01:35:17,880 No, I'm still here. Right? So do 3431 01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:19,110 you have like a link tree that 3432 01:35:19,110 --> 01:35:20,430 gets updated to where all the 3433 01:35:20,430 --> 01:35:22,230 different stuff is anything like 3434 01:35:22,260 --> 01:35:23,490 anything like that, that you 3435 01:35:23,490 --> 01:35:24,420 want to share? 3436 01:35:24,450 --> 01:35:25,470 Yeah, as well, same point. 3437 01:35:25,470 --> 01:35:27,000 That's why I you know, try to 3438 01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:28,200 make it as the last American 3439 01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:30,030 vagabond.com is the best place 3440 01:35:30,030 --> 01:35:31,110 to go. You'll find all the links 3441 01:35:31,110 --> 01:35:32,400 to wherever we currently are. 3442 01:35:32,610 --> 01:35:33,690 The pirate channels we're 3443 01:35:33,690 --> 01:35:35,190 currently using. If you don't 3444 01:35:35,190 --> 01:35:36,030 understand that, just look up 3445 01:35:36,030 --> 01:35:37,320 pirate, the hashtag pirate, you 3446 01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:38,490 know, Tila pirate streams, and 3447 01:35:38,490 --> 01:35:39,210 you'll understand what we're 3448 01:35:39,210 --> 01:35:41,250 doing. But yeah, it's after 3449 01:35:41,250 --> 01:35:43,560 hours live with the after hours, 3450 01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:45,720 like underscore live. It's just 3451 01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:46,800 one. It's Brian Richmond 3452 01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:47,700 channel. He's letting me use 3453 01:35:47,700 --> 01:35:49,530 now. But we're going pointing 3454 01:35:49,530 --> 01:35:50,430 out right now how we're being 3455 01:35:50,430 --> 01:35:52,260 just denied the appeal to our 3456 01:35:52,260 --> 01:35:54,060 old plot, you know, old to a 3457 01:35:54,060 --> 01:35:55,290 vagabond account. So we'll see 3458 01:35:55,290 --> 01:35:57,120 how that pans out. But telegram 3459 01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:58,170 I believe just just search the 3460 01:35:58,170 --> 01:35:59,370 last American Vagabond most 3461 01:35:59,370 --> 01:36:00,300 these platforms, and it should 3462 01:36:00,300 --> 01:36:01,230 pop up unless it's being 3463 01:36:01,230 --> 01:36:02,760 suppressed. But anywhere else 3464 01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:03,630 you look, you'll find it into 3465 01:36:03,630 --> 01:36:05,100 that. But yeah, any I think 3466 01:36:05,100 --> 01:36:06,090 right now we should be doing our 3467 01:36:06,090 --> 01:36:07,170 best to lean into alternative 3468 01:36:07,170 --> 01:36:08,430 platforms. Just on a side note. 3469 01:36:08,850 --> 01:36:09,900 No, I definitely agree with 3470 01:36:09,900 --> 01:36:12,150 that. And RSS feeds. If you're 3471 01:36:12,150 --> 01:36:13,530 not familiar with that to go 3472 01:36:13,530 --> 01:36:16,110 take a look, that's probably the 3473 01:36:16,110 --> 01:36:19,710 best, you know, best way to 3474 01:36:19,710 --> 01:36:20,910 really develop your own news 3475 01:36:20,910 --> 01:36:22,530 feed and not have to depend on a 3476 01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:23,760 very corrupt social media 3477 01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:24,870 company to do that for you. 3478 01:36:24,900 --> 01:36:26,550 Absolutely. Yeah. It's funny. 3479 01:36:26,550 --> 01:36:28,080 Somebody asked me to put that 3480 01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:29,310 back on our website a long time 3481 01:36:29,310 --> 01:36:30,810 ago. And I was like, really RSS 3482 01:36:30,810 --> 01:36:32,190 like, now I'm realizing I'm glad 3483 01:36:32,190 --> 01:36:33,090 we did. Because it's you know, 3484 01:36:33,090 --> 01:36:33,930 it's been there for so long. But 3485 01:36:33,930 --> 01:36:34,620 a lot of people don't do that 3486 01:36:34,620 --> 01:36:35,580 anymore. It's just like a direct 3487 01:36:35,580 --> 01:36:37,170 feed right to your website. It's 3488 01:36:37,170 --> 01:36:37,860 important. Yeah. 3489 01:36:37,890 --> 01:36:39,750 So you can get like RSS feeders 3490 01:36:39,750 --> 01:36:40,560 and you can like put all the 3491 01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:41,910 different RSS feeds from sites 3492 01:36:41,910 --> 01:36:42,930 you follow. And it'll all be 3493 01:36:42,930 --> 01:36:44,880 there. Right? It's very, very 3494 01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:45,750 convenient. Definitely 3495 01:36:45,750 --> 01:36:47,580 recommended. All right. So 3496 01:36:47,580 --> 01:36:49,050 anyway, thanks again, Ryan for 3497 01:36:49,050 --> 01:36:50,610 being here. Probably a little 3498 01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:52,260 longer than my usual podcast, 3499 01:36:52,260 --> 01:36:53,190 but definitely an important 3500 01:36:53,190 --> 01:36:54,420 conversation that needs to be 3501 01:36:54,420 --> 01:36:55,800 had. Because so often these, 3502 01:36:56,070 --> 01:36:57,300 these distractions are out there 3503 01:36:57,300 --> 01:36:59,550 to divert our way, our attention 3504 01:36:59,550 --> 01:37:00,420 away from things that really 3505 01:37:00,420 --> 01:37:01,770 matter. But in this case, like 3506 01:37:01,770 --> 01:37:03,240 we've talked about today, this 3507 01:37:03,270 --> 01:37:05,250 seems like it's just a celebrity 3508 01:37:05,250 --> 01:37:06,270 distraction, maybe to some 3509 01:37:06,270 --> 01:37:08,160 people, but there's really a 3510 01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:10,110 deeper agenda sort of hovering, 3511 01:37:10,140 --> 01:37:11,850 at least over this situation to 3512 01:37:11,850 --> 01:37:13,500 an extent that definitely needs 3513 01:37:13,500 --> 01:37:14,610 to be talked about and 3514 01:37:14,610 --> 01:37:16,200 understood by as many people as 3515 01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:18,060 possible, I would say. So if you 3516 01:37:18,060 --> 01:37:18,870 found this information 3517 01:37:18,870 --> 01:37:19,980 compelling, I would encourage 3518 01:37:19,980 --> 01:37:21,300 those listening to share it, 3519 01:37:21,300 --> 01:37:22,560 particularly once it becomes 3520 01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:24,210 publicly available, which was 3521 01:37:24,210 --> 01:37:25,590 just a few days after we 3522 01:37:25,590 --> 01:37:27,150 initially publish it first, 3523 01:37:27,150 --> 01:37:28,020 which is, you know, for 3524 01:37:28,020 --> 01:37:29,310 subscribers on rockfon, and 3525 01:37:29,490 --> 01:37:32,040 elsewhere. So thanks again to 3526 01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:33,030 everyone that supports this 3527 01:37:33,030 --> 01:37:34,740 podcast and catch you all next 3528 01:37:34,740 --> 01:37:35,700 time. Thanks.