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Hey there and welcome to

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host. Whitney Webb. Since

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rise of a particular clique of

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capitalists has been quite

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paying attention. The core of

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prominent members of the so

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to prominence in Silicon Valley

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early executive roles at PayPal,

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quickly dollarized the internet

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world currency, and consulted

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agency they could get a meeting

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unlimited Hangouts, first

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interrogating the political

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entitled The Pay Pal presidency,

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ambitions for healthcare and

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to guide and arguably subvert

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or Maha movement toward policies

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ostensibly opposed during the

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examining the philosophies and

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the most prominent members of

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Peter Thiel and Elon Musk, and

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concrete US policies through the

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well as Thiel proteges like

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Over the last six months, major

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mainstream and allegedly

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portray these wealthy

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unquote counter elites, arguing

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challenge to the elites that had

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election, while these so called

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PayPal Mafia, have sought to

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significantly different, At

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woke, for example, are there

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philosophies really functionally

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elites they have supposedly

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really libertarian leaning and

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claimed? What motivates them and

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look like? It's important we

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ever. Between their wealth and

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they have the ability to shape

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unprecedented ways. Joining me

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Davis. Iain is an independent

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contributor to Unlimited

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books. He is from the UK, and

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Manchester attack. His recent

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Unlimited Hangout, the dark

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one and two delve deep into the

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technocrats, many of the members

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house, philosophers like Curtis

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joining me today, Iain, and

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Hangout.

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Thank you very much,

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here.

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Well, as I noted just a

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election, there's been a good

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oligarchs now lined up behind

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Vance, are counter elites, and

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elites who we have been told

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shadows by American voters. So

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narrative regarding the so

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Well, they're not counter

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they're, they're oligarchs in

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know, the real sense of the

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converted immense wealth into

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That's clearly what they're

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call them oligarchs, you know,

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know, the kind of things that

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to move America forward and make

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certainly in doing so, obviously

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the world. There is, there's,

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agenda that we've that we're

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perhaps the other side of the

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of Swabian side of the side of

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rolling out top down, controlled

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know, as an OP, I would say it's

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proposed kind of privatized

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which is, which is pretty much

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oligarchy control mechanism that

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of the fence, you know, if we

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traditionally, people like

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people are kind of very wary of,

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presenting themselves as these

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overreach of. Kind of globalist

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certainly Republican voters,

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that's probably how that they've

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political authority within the

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extent that they have, it's

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supported by people who want to

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consider to be, you know,

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overreach, that what they've

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that. Well, I say exactly the

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that what they're proposing in

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you know, we're going to go on

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Dark Enlightenment. And also

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know, that what technocracy

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kind of systems, what they are

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form of top down hierarchical

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envisaged. So So you know, to

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obviously Republican voters,

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that, what they've got is, is,

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see, like I said in the intro

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difference they seem to actually

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cultural veneer they put over

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of cloak themselves in this, you

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these things, and that seems to

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difference at a fundamental

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it really means anything. It

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Democrats and Republicans in the

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differentiate themselves largely

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that's abortion or gay rights.

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that's sort of been the main way

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conquer, and now you're having

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you know, the exact nature of

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slightly and focused sort of on

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things. And you know, when Trump

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elites had supposedly come in.

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CEOs expressing relief, because

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retarded at board meetings

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noted, a lot of the actual

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going to be very significant in

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new crop of elites really has

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and more broadly the world. So

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course, and I think you know

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that word over the past few

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included. And so I think maybe

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of maybe define what technocracy

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of prominent figures today, like

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ideology. So would you mind

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necessarily, but enlightening us

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definitions there, yeah.

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these people are very much on

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technocracy. So we had a tweet.

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Bezos, he posted to Musk, and he

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is being formed before our eyes,

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technocracy. So in reference to

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comes out of a book the network

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by Balaji sriniva. Can't

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Srinivasan. And basically

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come through in policy, in the

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what, what Srinivasan was, was

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no regulation where

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particularly tech, tech,

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hand to do whatever they want in

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become now within the Trump

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sort of understand it as

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steroids, where they would

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and people that would live there

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the city as sort of like a

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state, how to start a new

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was talking about. So, so

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means, you know, what would be

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managed, and how would that, how

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administrative zone work? Well,

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technocracy. And he further

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something that he published in

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comment where he said, we're

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development to build the Martian

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there. He's spoken about,

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wants to construct a

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putting it in the context of

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to think, well, he's not in

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Earth. But obviously that that

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technocracy, they they equate it

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technocratic governance. So

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have experts that make policy

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we think about what happened

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medical matters. That's that is

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important that the public are

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experts making decisions, and

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necessarily elected politicians.

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people about technocracy, if

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of what it is, that's normally

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but technocracy is, is is much

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it, but it's much more than

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system, like an operating

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with society entirely, and what

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other other people, you know,

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oligarch interest. People like

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were looking at that idea. And

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break society apart completely.

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social mechanism based on what

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functions. So you have the

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function, the industrial

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by a continental control. So it

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nation states. You would create

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on a continental scale, and that

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small group of people, no more

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continental control, and in

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appoint from within their ranks

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level of the degree of social

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that is inherent to technocracy

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it's not something that most

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to, because it is, it is, it is

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that they they are talking

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human animals to be programmed

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function. Are what where we go,

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entirely controlled by a new

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surveillance that monetary

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now in the 1930s presenting that

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the bureaucracy suggested by

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shortly, You know, briefly in

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feasible thing. How would you

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even a national scale, if we

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alone a continental scale? But

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this of technology enabling such

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to function. You know, they've

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they've followed it. You know,

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would very much suggest that,

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trialed to a great extent in

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proceeding to roll it out

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that with digital ID and digital

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that we've got key technocrats

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technocrat Musk, you know, so,

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executive level in the United

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actively, actively taking that

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there is ostensibly to maximize

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animal. The goal was to engineer

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animals and the human animal

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their efficiency. And in

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ostensible goal of this DOGE

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obviously, you know, on onto

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it's pretty clear that any

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being hit with claims like, Oh,

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defending the corruption. It's

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know, in the case of, like, the

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spending bill, those spending

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ridiculous expenditures that

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kind of been a known thing that

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that there is sort of pork,

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government at large that either

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or through those same types of,

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policies. And that is what Elon

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focusing so much on the exposure

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at what what is being

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with the data that Musk now has

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given that Musk in the PayPal

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intimately involved with mass

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the United States, particularly

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and national security agencies,

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about, and also the fact that

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replace a lot of workers,

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are being laid off, and a lot of

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a lot of them, you know, with AI

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because whoever controls those

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would have the power of those

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the organization employing it,

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maintains that algorithm kind of

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that's sort of how I see it. So,

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happening right now. Changes are

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level, all under the name of

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will. But I would argue that

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administration, is also the

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his AI company, which is

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your PC and the technocracy can

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science of social engineering.

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engineering human animals to

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they're programmable automatons.

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where the role of government

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system to do that programming.

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is a key part of that, and

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technique dominated world, yet,

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spheres of of engineering. So

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I mean, I think if you, if

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um. You know, it is technocracy

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note, as you quite rightly said,

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and something that is common to

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going to talk about the Neo

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idea that there's, there are

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problems. So all problems,

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there, there are technological

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thing that you need to do in

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problems is apply the right

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tech, technological kind of

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of very mechanistic, kind of AI

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decision making is elevated,

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above everything else. So

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you know, all decisions are made

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logical way, and that's the best

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long as we obey the algorithms.

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obey whatever the algorithms

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world of the of the technocrats

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reactionaries, will be, will be

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direction now the DOGE, and it's

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people's performance, and I

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it, but I've seen it. I think it

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saw it, but it's been described

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precisely what technocracy is.

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this notion of, you know,

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know, large language modules,

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think there's an argument to be

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nowhere near this suspected

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and the Neo reactionary?

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Yeah, I absolutely agree.

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myself, but continue,

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yeah, well, I mean, we'll

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this, so this, this notion that

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workers we're talking about, in

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quite a large swathe of the

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their their futures will be

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nanosecond, by a computer. And

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that's, that's the decision, the

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human element of that, you mean,

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someone's job, someone's like,

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their family, their you know

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determined you that you are

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are gone. And that that is, that

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you know, if you boil it down to

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it. That is exactly the kind of

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and venerates, and that's what

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what people like Musk venerate,

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that is the world that they are

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you know, I mean, and I think

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of the kind of way that this

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look, what it would look like if

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installed, right? And I

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relates to x, for really

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mentioned just a second ago

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live in this system, would need

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submit to the algorithm. I

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active on X lately, but I've

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have been and it's generally was

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know, engaged with it

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was a major effort to kind of

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users, namely with the x ai,

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Elon Musk new AI company, after

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at open AI that he also helped

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asking Grok, the AI chat bot of

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everything. So, like, for

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opinion or a story or something

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it, there are replies of people

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Grok says, you know. Or, let me

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you're criticizing Elon Musk.

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about the thing you know. And

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obviously started that to a

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it's becoming. Uh, extremely

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also told, though I haven't seen

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with these AI generated images

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Studio Ghibli engine. I guess

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being the Hayao Miyazaki film

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prominent and frankly wonderful

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sort of animating themselves and

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style, and that x is just a wash

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interesting how people are sort

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normalization on x of AI

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answers to things, and that

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I've argued this before, and

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a lot of their their agency,

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critical thought, or also

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just, you know, algorithms in

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yeah, no, I've noticed that

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mean, people do say, you know,

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don't have to go very far in a

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saying, Well, this is what grog

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think, I think when, as with any

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there are potentially,

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about AI. I mean, I'm not a

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that, you know, that we

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there are any advantages to it.

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think about, you know, how we

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things, or design design, you

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that kind of thing, and how we

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like that. Sure, what you know,

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models are very, very might be

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AI might be very useful. But one

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on another platform, which I

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we think about, you know, the

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social media about all kinds of

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anything, these large language

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data and analyzing it, you know,

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in particularly in reference to

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You do realize that all these

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sub stack are being fed in, fed

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you know, and we are effectively

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interesting things so far I've

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that, if you put in thus far, it

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you like, about some people that

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as just out and out. You know,

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theorists. Grok doesn't analyze

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know, people like myself and

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know, it's quite, it comes back

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on us at the moment, but, but I

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problem is, obviously that it's

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perpetuating, random, just

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the algorithms are programmed by

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ultimately, while it's currently

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up as much data as it possibly

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not that it could ever complete

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that those models have been

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people are Using those models

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themselves. Then, obviously, by

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can social engineer on a scale

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previously, I would have, you

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wouldn't have been able to even

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a lot of what you just

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you know, this, this book that

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actually written a piece about

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Schmidt and Henry Kissinger, who

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elites that were deposed by the

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you know, very tied up with the

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course, Henry Kissinger, having

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Klaus Schwab and very, you know,

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and the trilaterals and all of

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different than than Musk and

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their book, they basically chart

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this rule of all aspects of our

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happen. And they basically say

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dominated by AI already. And I,

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I think, like four years ago

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saying that AI is, is shaping

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music to listen to, what things

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that soon, it will shape our

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will become completely dependent

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much, period. And they refer to

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diminishment, that basically

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more of our of our agency and

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then eventually we won't be able

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or we will forget how to do it.

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explain this to people is, you

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mental math ability if you

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or something like that. The

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you lose it, kind of thing. And

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know, we're, I think we're still

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novel, and people are

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AI and all of that. But

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slope. And this is outlined by

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that it's a slippery slope, and

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of, oh, it's so convenient, I'm

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all the time to analyze news

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might forget how to do that

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And that's basically how these

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Schmidt chart out how we get to

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governance by algorithm and in

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And another thing they bring up

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that's related to what you

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that government by algorithm and

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lead to a fairer society. It

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society. And you made that point

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continental directors being on

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human animals, as it were, and

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book that it'll lead to this, a

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call it Neo feudalism, or have

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have the people who are

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AI and determining the

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functions above everyone else,

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who are being enacted upon by AI

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doing to them and how it's

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meaning that the people that are

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those effects are and where

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Yeah, no, I agree with that,

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something you said earlier, with

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these LLM kind of things seem to

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that's very much what, what

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moment. So, you know, that's

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gathering the data together to

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efficiency of the model. You

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that is enticing people to

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possible, which, of course, is

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so, yeah, and I think the idea

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that we run, and certainly, what

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envisaged, is that society that

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mean, in technocracy, they do.

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that they've got in there of

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rights. This is so I'm going

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1930s original iteration of

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in its study course, which was

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1934 and they come up with this

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believe it or not, you know, and

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perceived to be their naivety.

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thought would be a classless

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that, you know, in order for for

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envisaged to emerge, it would be

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keeping with their pet rights.

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idea after observing cow herds

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they noticed that, you know,

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dominant than others, and it

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their physical strength or

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seem to be more dominant. So

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that was the same in across the

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society, and that we we should.

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same kind of thing. And so who

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Peck rights? Well, that would be

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of resources. So the people that

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oligarchs, basically, and people

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know, the resources that we need

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people that would have the peck

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envisaging what they were

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was, it was not classes at all.

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about was one mass class of

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they refer to is the human

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one, one mass of us, and

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lives and controlling our

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our efficiency as A function,

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Who? Who would, you know, make

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to their design? Now, you know,

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and Kissinger writing Warning,

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potential for this kind of

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you then have to think, Well,

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while warning us about these

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creating precisely that system.

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thought for a moment, certainly,

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Thiel and Musk are, are racing

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the kind of, you know, social

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other hand, people like Schmidt

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against, you know, and obviously

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involved In in rolling out that

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while it's, while it's nice,

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warned about it, well, surely

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think about it first then. But

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actually getting, is it, you

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acceleration towards, towards

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without, without anybody really

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about it.

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Yeah, well, I think, you

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book, they frame it as a

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But if anyone's familiar with

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figure, or Eric Schmidt, either,

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as a warning, especially when

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basically like, all of this will

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society we'll have, and there

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AI, or the other outcome is, is

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are deposed by a popular

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think Schmidt and Kissinger

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clear. And considering that

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Kissinger's air. And Kissinger

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builder, at the Bilderberg

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consistently a major topic. On

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Bilderberg is Peter Thiel, as

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Palantir, who still leads the

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is basically becoming a global

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national security state of the

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services of both the UK and the

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America and Wall Street now, all

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quite interesting there. I don't

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warning, but I think you know,

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kind of a way to maybe

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little bit, being like, well, we

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what was going to happen.

569
00:38:52,890 --> 00:38:54,990
Oh, they have to tell us

570
00:38:54,990 --> 00:38:56,700
don't they? Apparently? Yeah,

571
00:38:56,730 --> 00:38:59,340
apparently. But they don't,

572
00:38:59,340 --> 00:39:04,020
had any intention of stopping

573
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,750
their history, and also, you

574
00:39:06,750 --> 00:39:09,600
Schmidt, their current actions

575
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:17,070
and and finance and seek to

576
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,790
problematic stuff. Well, we've

577
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:23,430
for a while, and before we move

578
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:26,190
Curtis Yarvin and the Cathedral

579
00:39:26,190 --> 00:39:31,530
Enlightenment and all of that, I

580
00:39:31,530 --> 00:39:36,750
of the technate, which would be

581
00:39:36,750 --> 00:39:41,550
system, and what that would sort

582
00:39:41,580 --> 00:39:45,390
technates would look like,

583
00:39:45,390 --> 00:39:49,320
course, in your piece, and

584
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,260
the technate model for the

585
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:58,110
encompasses Greenland, which has

586
00:39:58,110 --> 00:40:01,470
and JD Vance after the.

587
00:40:01,470 --> 00:40:04,560
promise at all, make Greenland

588
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,160
that. Definitely something that

589
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,120
around inauguration time and

590
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,330
expound a little bit on what a

591
00:40:15,330 --> 00:40:21,450
for technates are are, I think

592
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:22,860
illuminating as well.

593
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,360
Yeah, so a Tech Night is a

594
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,720
engineering and behavioral

595
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:35,400
saying earlier, with a

596
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,870
the top of it. So it's and

597
00:40:39,870 --> 00:40:43,740
be a very small number of people

598
00:40:43,740 --> 00:40:47,070
surveil and distribute all

599
00:40:47,580 --> 00:40:50,400
it would have its monetary

600
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,850
controlled, or power

601
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,210
everything would be centrally

602
00:40:58,650 --> 00:41:03,690
continental control, this, this,

603
00:41:03,690 --> 00:41:08,520
everything. You know, in the

604
00:41:08,610 --> 00:41:13,710
proposed, you know, as I said,

605
00:41:13,710 --> 00:41:17,880
would be no names of towns or

606
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,580
Everything would be designated

607
00:41:20,580 --> 00:41:24,060
grid reference. So you would

608
00:41:24,060 --> 00:41:28,950
five. You know, this kind of

609
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:35,250
but, but, but interestingly, in

610
00:41:35,250 --> 00:41:38,220
study course, they put a map on

611
00:41:38,220 --> 00:41:42,540
cover, I think they put a they

612
00:41:42,540 --> 00:41:45,600
called the North American Tech

613
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,930
Greenland and went all the way

614
00:41:48,930 --> 00:41:52,560
all the way down to Northern

615
00:41:52,560 --> 00:42:00,030
northern tip of South America.

616
00:42:00,090 --> 00:42:04,590
made, seemingly, you know, prior

617
00:42:04,590 --> 00:42:09,630
his inauguration, started making

618
00:42:09,630 --> 00:42:15,180
know, building this North

619
00:42:15,180 --> 00:42:19,170
would encompass, you know, most

620
00:42:19,170 --> 00:42:22,680
Central America, I think, and

621
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,830
had never really been mentioned

622
00:42:25,830 --> 00:42:28,380
like, you know, the North

623
00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:29,820
that. Well, I feel

624
00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:33,000
like Trump made it pretty

625
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:40,530
interested in basically de facto

626
00:42:40,530 --> 00:42:42,630
Greenland with the United

627
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:47,280
beyond Mexico, he really spoke

628
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,640
worth pointing out that there is

629
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,150
country. El Salvador is

630
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:58,350
prison for the Trump

631
00:42:58,380 --> 00:43:02,550
deportations, you know, or you

632
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:05,850
eventually American citizen

633
00:43:06,540 --> 00:43:10,380
or people that are vandalizing

634
00:43:10,380 --> 00:43:13,800
be sent to these El Salvadorian

635
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,880
the El Salvador government. So

636
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,870
dollarized nation also, so it

637
00:43:21,870 --> 00:43:25,650
possible that it would expand

638
00:43:25,650 --> 00:43:27,270
Mexico, to be sure.

639
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:30,480
Well, I'll defer to you on

640
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,560
did, but I but I may be right.

641
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:34,740
probably,

642
00:43:34,740 --> 00:43:37,350
I guess, with Panama, he

643
00:43:37,350 --> 00:43:41,160
about Panama. So I guess if you

644
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,190
Salvador through dollarization

645
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,750
And then you take the Panama

646
00:43:48,750 --> 00:43:51,960
and El Salvador. And the Panama

647
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,720
just be like, well, well, you

648
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:56,130
Yeah,

649
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,620
yeah. And I think the

650
00:43:58,620 --> 00:44:03,210
when the original technocrat

651
00:44:03,210 --> 00:44:06,450
really explain how that would

652
00:44:06,450 --> 00:44:08,940
would all these countries just

653
00:44:08,940 --> 00:44:12,930
with your crazy, hair brained

654
00:44:12,930 --> 00:44:17,760
that was never made clear. And I

655
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,840
was drawn, that was that was

656
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,460
North American technate, in

657
00:44:26,460 --> 00:44:31,920
appearance, that in terms of

658
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,130
me, that was a signal, you know,

659
00:44:35,130 --> 00:44:38,940
really, it's almost like an

660
00:44:38,940 --> 00:44:41,910
that the technocrats we are in

661
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:45,120
I mean, it's, it's, you know,

662
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,750
North American Tech Night. Now,

663
00:44:48,750 --> 00:44:50,760
know. And as you quite rightly

664
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,130
people like ourselves or and

665
00:44:53,130 --> 00:44:56,040
some of the plans for Greenland,

666
00:44:56,310 --> 00:45:00,180
just signaling their intent. But

667
00:45:00,540 --> 00:45:03,900
notable that that that map was

668
00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:07,980
was. And I think also, you know,

669
00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:10,830
technique might be, I mean, one

670
00:45:10,830 --> 00:45:14,280
technocracy, as I alluded to

671
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,130
originally proposed, it couldn't

672
00:45:17,130 --> 00:45:20,910
technology did not exist. To

673
00:45:21,660 --> 00:45:24,930
the technology does exist today

674
00:45:24,930 --> 00:45:29,160
behavioral control system a

675
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,960
ironically, the nature of the

676
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,720
enables that to happen, and the

677
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:41,550
enables that to happen kind of

678
00:45:41,550 --> 00:45:48,180
a kind of geographical technate

679
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,260
you know, by its nature, this

680
00:45:52,260 --> 00:45:58,800
transnational. So, you know, you

681
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,010
many different regions in the

682
00:46:02,010 --> 00:46:05,730
communicate, you know, and have

683
00:46:05,730 --> 00:46:08,490
doesn't, that doesn't

684
00:46:08,490 --> 00:46:13,260
physical, you know. So, so the

685
00:46:13,260 --> 00:46:18,390
technique could operate now

686
00:46:18,990 --> 00:46:23,340
based on kind of control of we

687
00:46:23,340 --> 00:46:27,870
certain markets, control of

688
00:46:28,170 --> 00:46:33,060
control of certain political

689
00:46:33,060 --> 00:46:36,450
can be done without,

690
00:46:36,450 --> 00:46:40,080
troops over borders is what I'm

691
00:46:41,130 --> 00:46:45,300
I think that's absolutely

692
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:49,710
look at the case of just North

693
00:46:49,710 --> 00:46:52,410
know, in terms of just like

694
00:46:52,410 --> 00:46:57,750
technology, like fiber optic

695
00:46:57,750 --> 00:47:03,090
sense, but also, you know, like

696
00:47:03,090 --> 00:47:06,210
of like the PayPal acquit. Well,

697
00:47:06,210 --> 00:47:10,560
I would argue, Mercado Libre is

698
00:47:10,830 --> 00:47:16,020
significant control over, over

699
00:47:16,020 --> 00:47:18,990
already happening, and already

700
00:47:18,990 --> 00:47:23,310
compared to, like the Amazon of

701
00:47:23,310 --> 00:47:26,460
much is, but they're making a

702
00:47:26,460 --> 00:47:29,940
the digital financial

703
00:47:29,940 --> 00:47:34,470
with stable coins and crypto and

704
00:47:34,500 --> 00:47:38,070
they're now tied up with the

705
00:47:38,070 --> 00:47:41,430
linked to Howard lutnic and

706
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:44,460
that, and kind of, you know,

707
00:47:44,460 --> 00:47:48,330
ultimately tie back into PayPal.

708
00:47:48,330 --> 00:47:50,790
PayPal used to own a majority of

709
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:56,250
stuff, and came out of Stanford,

710
00:47:56,250 --> 00:47:59,190
things. And is tied now to the

711
00:47:59,190 --> 00:48:02,280
that, which is sort of yoking

712
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,900
to Trump, and also Elon Musk in

713
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:10,620
So you know it, I mean, that's

714
00:48:10,620 --> 00:48:13,470
example you sort of bring up in

715
00:48:13,470 --> 00:48:16,950
of these same entities have

716
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:21,570
Ukraine. And as soon as peace is

717
00:48:21,570 --> 00:48:27,210
will be run by essentially those

718
00:48:27,210 --> 00:48:31,080
of them tied up with either Musk

719
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:39,330
know, Black Rock, JP Morgan, and

720
00:48:39,330 --> 00:48:43,290
of that nature. So it becomes

721
00:48:43,290 --> 00:48:46,470
these, these, you know, what,

722
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:49,500
corporations, even if, in the

723
00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:54,660
Anduril, they have very America

724
00:48:55,110 --> 00:48:59,760
tether together a lot of

725
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,710
could say, well, yeah,

726
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,150
and, I mean, that's another,

727
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:06,310
of bait and switch idea that we

728
00:49:06,310 --> 00:49:09,220
obviously, that they've been

729
00:49:09,220 --> 00:49:12,130
Project 2025, they've been

730
00:49:12,130 --> 00:49:17,350
being anti elitist in many

731
00:49:17,350 --> 00:49:21,490
know, the certain control of

732
00:49:21,490 --> 00:49:25,270
when we think about the Bezos

733
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:29,650
building a network state, and

734
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:30,640
srinivalaji...

735
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:35,200
We'll just call him Balaji. it's

736
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:45,970
obviously referencing his work.

737
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:51,220
these freedom cities being kind

738
00:49:51,220 --> 00:49:56,890
considers the US to be outdated

739
00:49:56,890 --> 00:50:02,890
that that you know that this

740
00:50:02,890 --> 00:50:08,110
think he's questionable. I think

741
00:50:08,110 --> 00:50:13,180
control, pro maximizing their

742
00:50:13,180 --> 00:50:17,230
accelerate towards, you know,

743
00:50:17,230 --> 00:50:18,160
their own minds.

744
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,680
Yeah, Balaji is an

745
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:26,950
he's been saying a lot of stuff

746
00:50:26,980 --> 00:50:30,460
Twitter into, you know, a

747
00:50:30,460 --> 00:50:33,070
course, Elon Musk's ambition is

748
00:50:33,070 --> 00:50:36,610
American version of WeChat. And

749
00:50:36,610 --> 00:50:39,880
system. And the idea would be,

750
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,780
shopping and all sorts of things

751
00:50:43,930 --> 00:50:48,760
supports that model, but says it

752
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,990
step further, and that people

753
00:50:53,650 --> 00:50:56,890
instead of like, necessarily,

754
00:50:56,890 --> 00:51:04,570
that, they should monetize their

755
00:51:04,570 --> 00:51:09,070
or on on models like that. Um,

756
00:51:09,070 --> 00:51:13,030
content for them. And he had

757
00:51:13,150 --> 00:51:18,370
where he said, In 2023 uh, AI is

758
00:51:18,370 --> 00:51:21,670
crypto is about building a new

759
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:26,170
the context of the whole network

760
00:51:26,170 --> 00:51:31,420
develop. And I think ultimately

761
00:51:31,450 --> 00:51:34,000
will come even though it's, as

762
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:39,460
centralization of power, it's

763
00:51:39,460 --> 00:51:42,640
attractive to sell it

764
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,750
base, and under these

765
00:51:46,750 --> 00:51:50,320
that they're using as a greater

766
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,470
have to market it as

767
00:51:53,470 --> 00:51:57,250
so if you have a network of

768
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:03,070
knit themselves into the largest

769
00:52:03,070 --> 00:52:06,130
into a technate Then, I mean,

770
00:52:06,130 --> 00:52:09,580
that way, but have sort of what

771
00:52:09,580 --> 00:52:14,170
decentralized patchwork of of

772
00:52:14,170 --> 00:52:17,260
that's the case, because, as you

773
00:52:17,260 --> 00:52:22,240
example, in our joint work on

774
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:27,970
work on, you know, the fight the

775
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:33,700
whether it's stable coins or

776
00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:37,210
to have sort of a vendor

777
00:52:37,210 --> 00:52:41,920
have a patchwork of companies or

778
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,070
providing the programmable,

779
00:52:45,070 --> 00:52:49,570
a stable coin or whatever, but

780
00:52:49,570 --> 00:52:52,120
from that would be harvested in

781
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,840
ultimately centrally controlled

782
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,170
necessarily visible to the

783
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,760
Yeah, no, absolutely. And

784
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:07,450
the Dark Enlightenment and what

785
00:53:07,450 --> 00:53:15,550
patchwork of realms, so the idea

786
00:53:15,550 --> 00:53:21,010
to decent from these guys

787
00:53:21,010 --> 00:53:25,750
because it is predominantly men,

788
00:53:26,260 --> 00:53:33,310
decentralization is a process

789
00:53:33,310 --> 00:53:38,680
decentralize everything from,

790
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:44,530
economic systems to financial

791
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,760
but as long as it, as long as

792
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:53,920
is interoperable. I It's in a

793
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:59,050
be centrally collated. Then by

794
00:53:59,050 --> 00:54:04,660
this network out, you know

795
00:54:04,690 --> 00:54:07,750
you know, financially, or

796
00:54:08,170 --> 00:54:13,210
you can spread this network out,

797
00:54:13,210 --> 00:54:16,030
you know to a certain extent,

798
00:54:16,030 --> 00:54:21,070
in their relative realms or

799
00:54:21,070 --> 00:54:25,150
if you can then gather that data

800
00:54:25,150 --> 00:54:28,960
machine readable format, which

801
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:33,280
can then do at something like a

802
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,970
if we're talking about the, you

803
00:54:36,970 --> 00:54:42,520
forward this idea for a global

804
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,990
think it's called, you know,

805
00:54:46,990 --> 00:54:51,220
about ideas here, rather than

806
00:54:51,250 --> 00:54:54,460
already been established. But

807
00:54:54,460 --> 00:54:59,110
are going, you know, then, then

808
00:54:59,110 --> 00:55:04,180
give you what. Harvard, McCall

809
00:55:04,180 --> 00:55:08,530
control, of a patchwork of

810
00:55:08,530 --> 00:55:12,880
manipulate each realm. And if

811
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,640
technocracy that would done,

812
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,720
through the allocation of

813
00:55:19,720 --> 00:55:24,340
a kind of centralized power

814
00:55:24,340 --> 00:55:29,530
much the kind of in terms of how

815
00:55:29,530 --> 00:55:34,510
very good example of that would

816
00:55:34,810 --> 00:55:39,040
the C40 Cities Network is, you

817
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,560
other side, you know, when we're

818
00:55:41,650 --> 00:55:45,160
juxtaposition between the right

819
00:55:45,460 --> 00:55:48,490
political kind of terms, the

820
00:55:48,490 --> 00:55:52,960
kind of oligarch, kind of

821
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,940
that, you know, the Schwabian

822
00:55:58,870 --> 00:56:02,920
you know, like setting up things

823
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:07,780
supposed to decentralize power.

824
00:56:07,780 --> 00:56:11,830
the increasing power at a

825
00:56:11,950 --> 00:56:15,880
who are often members of this

826
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:20,020
they're all linked centrally to,

827
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:24,850
particularly from their from

828
00:56:24,850 --> 00:56:28,420
realms, so that that's what

829
00:56:28,420 --> 00:56:32,950
this, this, this kind of

830
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:37,000
to, they want to roll out, which

831
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,080
decentralized, but will actually

832
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,750
sources as possible. Something I

833
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,760
to add to that, since you're

834
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,430
Unified ledger here, I mean,

835
00:56:48,430 --> 00:56:51,310
some sort of blockchain ledger.

836
00:56:51,310 --> 00:56:55,660
been signaling, of course, from

837
00:56:55,660 --> 00:56:58,900
putting, for example, major

838
00:56:58,900 --> 00:57:03,040
blockchain. And it's very likely

839
00:57:03,070 --> 00:57:06,220
eventually happen at a much

840
00:57:06,220 --> 00:57:10,960
potentially have, you know, all

841
00:57:11,590 --> 00:57:14,140
you know, financial transactions

842
00:57:14,140 --> 00:57:18,040
something that actually Larry

843
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,640
desire for, and says that, you

844
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,920
said this around the time that

845
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:28,870
ETFs, there would be basically a

846
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:31,570
blockchain for finance, and

847
00:57:31,570 --> 00:57:35,920
number or CUSIP, not just the

848
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,370
they were transacting. And in

849
00:57:39,370 --> 00:57:42,190
they're trying to tokenize all

850
00:57:42,430 --> 00:57:46,750
including the natural world, you

851
00:57:46,750 --> 00:57:51,130
his vision will have, you know,

852
00:57:51,130 --> 00:57:55,240
obviously this has the, as you

853
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,360
data aspect to it, but there's

854
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:02,590
to it too, where people are sort

855
00:58:02,860 --> 00:58:08,500
enabling it will enable extreme

856
00:58:08,500 --> 00:58:12,070
my colleague Mark Goodwin has

857
00:58:12,070 --> 00:58:15,970
points about that. You know, in

858
00:58:15,970 --> 00:58:20,410
Catherine Austin Fitz, basically

859
00:58:20,410 --> 00:58:24,100
you publish everything on a

860
00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:27,430
someone looking at a blockchain

861
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:31,330
you can the data is there, and I

862
00:58:31,330 --> 00:58:34,780
if you don't have access to all

863
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:39,400
anonymized identifiers or other

864
00:58:39,550 --> 00:58:43,900
you know all of these. I you

865
00:58:43,900 --> 00:58:47,050
going to make sense to the

866
00:58:47,050 --> 00:58:50,740
have to have access to a litany

867
00:58:50,740 --> 00:58:55,480
Palantir, for example, in order

868
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,270
money flows are connecting and

869
00:58:58,270 --> 00:59:01,480
money's really going and what's

870
00:59:01,530 --> 00:59:04,710
Yeah, yeah. And I guess if

871
00:59:04,830 --> 00:59:08,130
rather than a permissionless

872
00:59:08,130 --> 00:59:10,740
permissioned ledger, then you

873
00:59:10,740 --> 00:59:13,890
you? So, I mean, I wouldn't, I

874
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:19,020
intent on moving money around. I

875
00:59:19,020 --> 00:59:22,890
in the UK, for the UK is kind of

876
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:28,860
is that these payment into

877
00:59:28,860 --> 00:59:32,730
they will agree to be, you know,

878
00:59:32,730 --> 00:59:37,830
banks and store it on the

879
00:59:37,830 --> 00:59:40,320
controlled through, you know,

880
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,870
and so forth. But that will be

881
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:47,250
the central bank, and they will

882
00:59:47,250 --> 00:59:50,970
rules. Well, that's those are

883
00:59:50,970 --> 00:59:53,610
know about, that they're given,

884
00:59:53,610 --> 00:59:57,030
Barclays or whatever, are given

885
00:59:57,210 --> 01:00:01,200
permission algorithms. So what's

886
01:00:01,230 --> 01:00:04,770
other permission algorithms

887
01:00:05,340 --> 01:00:10,320
sure, you know, I mean the idea,

888
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:14,010
mean, it's the same, you know, I

889
01:00:14,010 --> 01:00:16,710
and that, in fact, the whole

890
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:20,910
everything and moving everything

891
01:00:20,910 --> 01:00:26,400
platform is it's like the there

892
01:00:26,670 --> 01:00:31,830
it seems to me to be more like

893
01:00:31,830 --> 01:00:37,320
you know, the the mythical image

894
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:41,730
more like that than than a kind

895
01:00:41,730 --> 01:00:46,200
everything, you know, I mean,

896
01:00:46,500 --> 01:00:51,900
this kind of harvesting of data

897
01:00:51,900 --> 01:00:54,750
my view. I mean, I you know? I

898
01:00:54,780 --> 01:00:58,470
heading towards something that

899
01:00:58,470 --> 01:01:01,290
of criminality. I mean, I think

900
01:01:01,290 --> 01:01:02,790
that looks quite a lot worse.

901
01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:05,910
But I think the sales pitch

902
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:08,790
to sell it as a better system.

903
01:01:08,790 --> 01:01:12,330
was more left leaning

904
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:16,020
more sustainable world. And I

905
01:01:16,020 --> 01:01:18,180
that, you know, now that they've

906
01:01:18,180 --> 01:01:22,890
right leaning dialectics, you

907
01:01:22,890 --> 01:01:26,250
same thing too, that it'll be a

908
01:01:26,250 --> 01:01:29,280
transparent system. And I think

909
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,820
it's a permissionless ledger,

910
01:01:32,820 --> 01:01:36,240
the low hanging fruit of easy

911
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:41,430
of been framed as publicly but I

912
01:01:41,850 --> 01:01:44,160
likely that ultimately you're

913
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,880
permissioned and permissionless,

914
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,060
people think that transparency

915
01:01:51,060 --> 01:01:55,620
doesn't necessarily mean that

916
01:01:55,620 --> 01:01:58,290
financial practices will stop,

917
01:01:58,290 --> 01:02:02,340
that our world and in our

918
01:02:02,340 --> 01:02:06,300
are run by people who have a

919
01:02:06,300 --> 01:02:09,360
dealings and money laundering

920
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:15,090
It'll be money laundering for

921
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:16,620
will be the

922
01:02:16,620 --> 01:02:20,640
outcome, yeah, I mean, I

923
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:25,200
even crossed my mind that

924
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:29,070
we will, that we're heading

925
01:02:29,070 --> 01:02:32,670
possibility of, for example,

926
01:02:32,670 --> 01:02:38,700
smuggle to, you know, proxy

927
01:02:39,150 --> 01:02:42,120
ever envisage that happening.

928
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,180
there, if there was a system

929
01:02:45,180 --> 01:02:46,350
wouldn't be rolling it out.

930
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,730
Yeah, well, I think the

931
01:02:50,730 --> 01:02:53,490
it will stop those things.

932
01:02:53,490 --> 01:02:57,120
paradigm of programmable,

933
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,900
which this particular PayPal

934
01:03:00,900 --> 01:03:09,240
to it's going to basically

935
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:11,730
liberty and security. You're

936
01:03:11,730 --> 01:03:15,660
financial privacy entirely and a

937
01:03:15,660 --> 01:03:18,600
the system. So in order to

938
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:25,170
trade off. Will be ending money

939
01:03:25,170 --> 01:03:27,690
sorts of things, and the

940
01:03:27,690 --> 01:03:32,490
your money anymore, like DOGE is

941
01:03:32,490 --> 01:03:36,720
these financial ills will

942
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,500
the programmable, surveillable

943
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:46,410
that we are now. You know,

944
01:03:46,410 --> 01:03:49,350
like the cbdc at all, even

945
01:03:49,350 --> 01:03:51,900
really not that different at the

946
01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:54,450
civil liberties perspective. So,

947
01:03:54,780 --> 01:03:58,320
no, not at all. No, it's,

948
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,890
the same. I mean, the the Trump

949
01:04:01,890 --> 01:04:06,510
fondness for stable coins is

950
01:04:06,510 --> 01:04:11,190
better in terms of its potential

951
01:04:11,190 --> 01:04:13,800
control. I mean, you know,

952
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:18,060
a cbdc. So it doesn't, it

953
01:04:18,060 --> 01:04:19,110
that, in that regard,

954
01:04:19,650 --> 01:04:22,230
yeah. I mean, I don't know.

955
01:04:22,230 --> 01:04:25,320
think that it is different not

956
01:04:25,350 --> 01:04:27,600
what you said, just as

957
01:04:27,630 --> 01:04:30,090
but that also, Trump has

958
01:04:30,090 --> 01:04:35,430
Wall Street bankers. And that's

959
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:38,460
It's true from his own history.

960
01:04:38,460 --> 01:04:43,560
out by the Ross child banking

961
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:47,010
know, it's just been kind of a

962
01:04:47,010 --> 01:04:51,240
know, pardoning long notorious

963
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,910
collar criminals like Michael

964
01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:58,650
I mean, he seems to have an ear

965
01:04:58,650 --> 01:05:01,890
know, people like his upper.

966
01:05:01,890 --> 01:05:05,280
and good friend, Larry Fink, for

967
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:09,270
Fink is a on the way out, guys,

968
01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:18,510
here anyway. Sorry, it's just

969
01:05:18,510 --> 01:05:23,280
see what narratives have managed

970
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,590
in reality. In my opinion, yeah,

971
01:05:25,590 --> 01:05:27,630
no. I mean, I think, I

972
01:05:27,630 --> 01:05:30,300
know, something that we spoke

973
01:05:30,300 --> 01:05:36,330
idea of, of, you know, the kind

974
01:05:36,330 --> 01:05:39,030
that the you know that they're,

975
01:05:39,060 --> 01:05:41,400
to free us up, and to free up

976
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:44,610
benevolent benefactors.

977
01:05:45,930 --> 01:05:50,940
this, this notion, yeah. I

978
01:05:50,940 --> 01:05:54,660
certain extent, the things that

979
01:05:54,660 --> 01:05:58,140
were angry about, you know, this

980
01:05:58,170 --> 01:06:02,820
would consider wokeism, this

981
01:06:02,820 --> 01:06:07,440
shutdown, of freedom of speech

982
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:12,480
know, that is not inherent to

983
01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:17,040
thrown at and and considered to

984
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:21,450
progressivism. It's you know,

985
01:06:21,450 --> 01:06:26,280
tantamount to identity politics.

986
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:30,060
comes from that, which, of

987
01:06:30,060 --> 01:06:33,360
you think about what, you know,

988
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,720
it's that is very much about

989
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:40,050
much about, you know, women's

990
01:06:40,050 --> 01:06:42,960
gay rights. It's about, you

991
01:06:43,740 --> 01:06:48,360
moving society forward in a

992
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:52,710
come with it, like the shutdown

993
01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:58,020
censorship of people online,

994
01:06:58,020 --> 01:07:02,400
comments online, that's got

995
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:08,160
Moors that, that is that has

996
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:13,440
ideas being exploited by, I

997
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:18,240
and their network now, now, and

998
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,690
with that. I mean, ultimately,

999
01:07:21,690 --> 01:07:24,210
and it's intimate. It's

1000
01:07:24,210 --> 01:07:30,000
legislation. But the thing that

1001
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,000
know, certainly the Republican

1002
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:38,250
things like Project 2025, and so

1003
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:42,270
bridling against something that

1004
01:07:42,270 --> 01:07:47,280
set of oligarchs. And the

1005
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,730
something which is being

1006
01:07:50,730 --> 01:07:55,110
oligarchs. In this case, you

1007
01:07:55,110 --> 01:07:58,620
talk about this, this kind of

1008
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,890
underpinning of all this. In

1009
01:08:01,890 --> 01:08:06,000
towards a privatized form of

1010
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:10,260
government, government itself,

1011
01:08:10,290 --> 01:08:16,230
intents and purposes, a private,

1012
01:08:16,230 --> 01:08:20,940
isn't going to facilitate, I

1013
01:08:21,210 --> 01:08:26,160
if that enables kind of more

1014
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:30,870
like poverty, inequality of

1015
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:34,110
things that people care about,

1016
01:08:34,110 --> 01:08:38,610
that kind of thing that there's

1017
01:08:38,610 --> 01:08:42,990
Towards a privatized form of

1018
01:08:42,990 --> 01:08:46,440
anything about any of those

1019
01:08:46,440 --> 01:08:50,910
they're finding solutions for

1020
01:08:50,910 --> 01:08:55,260
kind of a mutated form of

1021
01:08:55,770 --> 01:09:00,960
they're not. They're just, you

1022
01:09:00,990 --> 01:09:05,640
perceiving the threat in those

1023
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:07,860
well, I've always seen

1024
01:09:07,860 --> 01:09:12,300
this effort to mainly keep

1025
01:09:12,300 --> 01:09:15,450
the left that are unhappy with

1026
01:09:15,450 --> 01:09:19,320
establishment left. So instead

1027
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:22,890
policies, for example, in the US

1028
01:09:22,890 --> 01:09:25,890
this candidate is from this

1029
01:09:25,890 --> 01:09:29,310
religion, and has done, you

1030
01:09:29,310 --> 01:09:34,770
that same you know, identity,

1031
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,500
ultimately, like, how many can

1032
01:09:37,500 --> 01:09:40,500
diverse, and thus the

1033
01:09:40,500 --> 01:09:43,590
better, but it prevents a

1034
01:09:43,770 --> 01:09:46,860
which, in the case of the

1035
01:09:46,860 --> 01:09:51,450
not that different from policies

1036
01:09:52,110 --> 01:09:55,890
Yeah, no, absolutely, yeah. And

1037
01:09:55,890 --> 01:10:00,060
group and and the politicians

1038
01:10:00,060 --> 01:10:05,010
Or affiliated with them, have

1039
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:10,290
diversity in our in our you

1040
01:10:10,290 --> 01:10:14,430
dismantling that now. But

1041
01:10:14,430 --> 01:10:17,700
effort to put push this

1042
01:10:17,940 --> 01:10:20,700
was ultimately an effort to

1043
01:10:20,700 --> 01:10:23,970
policies, and now, because

1044
01:10:23,970 --> 01:10:27,210
know, the quote, unquote

1045
01:10:27,210 --> 01:10:29,700
erected all of this

1046
01:10:29,700 --> 01:10:32,850
while implementing the, you

1047
01:10:32,850 --> 01:10:37,110
the real policies, you have the

1048
01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:42,480
focusing so much on dismantling

1049
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:45,720
still no discussion of the

1050
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:46,500
yeah,

1051
01:10:46,500 --> 01:10:48,300
you've said it better than

1052
01:10:48,300 --> 01:10:51,660
that's what I was trying to get

1053
01:10:51,660 --> 01:10:54,900
you've got an artificial

1054
01:10:54,900 --> 01:10:58,860
doesn't really exist, and then

1055
01:10:58,860 --> 01:11:01,230
artificial construction of a

1056
01:11:01,230 --> 01:11:04,560
exist because the underlying

1057
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:08,820
that they've always been and

1058
01:11:08,820 --> 01:11:11,700
the economic situation that

1059
01:11:11,700 --> 01:11:15,720
you get health inequality, you

1060
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,470
opportunity. You get

1061
01:11:19,500 --> 01:11:25,800
all poverty, all the all the

1062
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:29,940
people, none of that ever that

1063
01:11:29,940 --> 01:11:32,970
there's, then, there's nothing

1064
01:11:32,970 --> 01:11:38,400
from, you know, Thiel and Musk

1065
01:11:38,970 --> 01:11:43,290
that is likely to address any of

1066
01:11:43,290 --> 01:11:46,470
saying that you know the other

1067
01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:49,020
know, certainly not in the UK,

1068
01:11:49,020 --> 01:11:52,500
we've got at the moment, who are

1069
01:11:52,500 --> 01:11:56,520
forte. You know, they're doing,

1070
01:11:56,580 --> 01:12:00,090
of addressing those issues.

1071
01:12:00,090 --> 01:12:04,680
And it's even it seems

1072
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,310
mean, I think that's the problem

1073
01:12:08,310 --> 01:12:13,920
political kind of to and froze,

1074
01:12:13,950 --> 01:12:19,260
about, you know, basically

1075
01:12:19,260 --> 01:12:22,770
important things that we need to

1076
01:12:22,770 --> 01:12:24,720
government, and they're

1077
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:28,500
addressed by a new

1078
01:12:28,500 --> 01:12:31,650
surging ahead with these pretty

1079
01:12:31,650 --> 01:12:34,560
would add too, that that

1080
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,560
these new media paradigms we

1081
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:40,500
continually made on these

1082
01:12:40,500 --> 01:12:44,340
issues that actually have more

1083
01:12:44,340 --> 01:12:47,640
lives, and the ones that are,

1084
01:12:47,730 --> 01:12:53,250
You know, anyway, I, in the

1085
01:12:53,250 --> 01:12:56,820
talked about him a few times,

1086
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:00,060
them. I'd like to bring the

1087
01:13:00,630 --> 01:13:02,820
and Nick Land, who, in the

1088
01:13:02,820 --> 01:13:06,510
described as the house

1089
01:13:06,510 --> 01:13:10,200
and in the case of the PayPal

1090
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:15,180
is more more known for

1091
01:13:15,180 --> 01:13:17,670
being close to them, though,

1092
01:13:17,670 --> 01:13:21,360
lot of influence on them as

1093
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,900
Nick Land, of course, for his

1094
01:13:24,900 --> 01:13:28,800
Enlightenment. And Curtis Yarvin

1095
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:33,150
retire all government employees

1096
01:13:33,150 --> 01:13:36,570
cathedral. But of course, you

1097
01:13:36,570 --> 01:13:39,390
thus far some of these other

1098
01:13:39,390 --> 01:13:45,330
less associated, perhaps, with

1099
01:13:45,330 --> 01:13:50,310
GOV Corp and the sovereign Corp

1100
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:54,000
make of Yarvin's and Land's

1101
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:58,800
the PayPal Mafia, and are their

1102
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,810
their Proponents claim? No,

1103
01:14:00,580 --> 01:14:04,435
I mean, it's they cloak

1104
01:14:04,509 --> 01:14:08,438
libertarian language. But

1105
01:14:08,512 --> 01:14:13,331
about what they're proposing. It

1106
01:14:13,405 --> 01:14:17,779
an unbelievably autocratic, top

1107
01:14:17,853 --> 01:14:22,449
they're proposing. So back in

1108
01:14:22,524 --> 01:14:27,046
place called the cybernetics

1109
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:31,568
University, where Nick Land was

1110
01:14:31,642 --> 01:14:35,497
looking, they were looking at

1111
01:14:35,571 --> 01:14:40,168
Destruction. So some Schumpeter,

1112
01:14:40,242 --> 01:14:44,394
that that there's a cyclical,

1113
01:14:44,468 --> 01:14:48,767
inherent to capitalism, where

1114
01:14:48,842 --> 01:14:52,919
advances in economics and

1115
01:14:52,993 --> 01:14:57,071
mean that old markets are

1116
01:14:57,145 --> 01:15:01,889
ones emerge. So, you know, good

1117
01:15:01,964 --> 01:15:06,189
carriages destroyed by the

1118
01:15:06,263 --> 01:15:10,563
one market is. Destroyed a new

1119
01:15:10,637 --> 01:15:15,086
attached to those markets are

1120
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:19,385
financial interests. So this,

1121
01:15:19,460 --> 01:15:23,685
tends to also have an impact on,

1122
01:15:23,759 --> 01:15:27,985
because, you know, and on, you'd

1123
01:15:28,059 --> 01:15:32,507
interests, because, because

1124
01:15:32,582 --> 01:15:37,030
the fore, and others and others

1125
01:15:37,104 --> 01:15:41,700
they they were looking at this

1126
01:15:41,774 --> 01:15:45,778
Schumpeterian's Creative

1127
01:15:45,852 --> 01:15:50,596
that we are rapidly approaching

1128
01:15:50,671 --> 01:15:55,415
Singularity, which is the which

1129
01:15:55,489 --> 01:15:59,937
becomes self perpetuating, or

1130
01:16:00,012 --> 01:16:04,756
AI, which, you know, they argued

1131
01:16:04,830 --> 01:16:08,908
because AI will ultimately

1132
01:16:08,982 --> 01:16:13,801
will venture off into The cosmos

1133
01:16:13,875 --> 01:16:18,101
this notion. So what they

1134
01:16:18,175 --> 01:16:22,549
called Accelerate or an idea

1135
01:16:22,623 --> 01:16:27,368
called accelerationism, which is

1136
01:16:27,442 --> 01:16:31,223
startup investment and

1137
01:16:31,297 --> 01:16:35,819
idea is just to use chapters

1138
01:16:35,893 --> 01:16:40,193
every opportunity from every

1139
01:16:40,267 --> 01:16:44,419
apart the institutions of

1140
01:16:44,493 --> 01:16:49,163
reformed into a better system of

1141
01:16:49,237 --> 01:16:53,760
as a species to cope with the

1142
01:16:53,834 --> 01:16:58,282
rushing singularity. So what

1143
01:16:58,356 --> 01:17:02,582
was that they thought that

1144
01:17:02,656 --> 01:17:07,252
into what Curtis Yarvin called a

1145
01:17:07,327 --> 01:17:11,552
these patchwork of realms should

1146
01:17:11,626 --> 01:17:15,852
corporations or sove cause

1147
01:17:15,926 --> 01:17:20,374
of a CEO King managing a realm

1148
01:17:20,448 --> 01:17:24,897
innovation and enable the kind

1149
01:17:24,971 --> 01:17:29,345
technology that we all have to

1150
01:17:29,419 --> 01:17:34,089
able to survive the inevitable

1151
01:17:34,164 --> 01:17:38,834
wrote as this, this character,

1152
01:17:38,908 --> 01:17:43,653
that, that was happening kind of

1153
01:17:43,727 --> 01:17:48,323
21st century, he he wrote from

1154
01:17:48,398 --> 01:17:52,994
about 2010 2011 initially Land

1155
01:17:53,068 --> 01:17:57,442
and he wrote something called

1156
01:17:57,516 --> 01:18:01,816
expanded on the ideas that

1157
01:18:01,890 --> 01:18:06,709
Moldbug and those ideas, he kind

1158
01:18:06,783 --> 01:18:11,157
them to even further extremes.

1159
01:18:11,231 --> 01:18:15,679
Enlightenment that we have to

1160
01:18:15,753 --> 01:18:20,572
to survive. He said that once we

1161
01:18:20,646 --> 01:18:25,243
technoplastic beings that could

1162
01:18:25,317 --> 01:18:29,765
us to, what he said, cross the

1163
01:18:29,839 --> 01:18:34,584
that and that once we've crossed

1164
01:18:34,658 --> 01:18:38,810
able to pay what he calls

1165
01:18:38,884 --> 01:18:40,960
call tax. So sovereign rent.

1166
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,890
It sounds so much nicer when

1167
01:18:43,890 --> 01:18:46,320
doesn't it? You've sound

1168
01:18:48,630 --> 01:18:51,900
yeah. So you're so but in

1169
01:18:51,900 --> 01:18:55,590
do that, to this song, to pay

1170
01:18:55,590 --> 01:18:58,800
wouldn't be able to function in

1171
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:03,360
just be like these useless kind

1172
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:06,960
know, could don't know anything,

1173
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,800
us to stay pace with it, with

1174
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:16,050
singularity world, basically we

1175
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:21,450
We have to become cybernetic

1176
01:19:21,450 --> 01:19:28,170
his notion, and that, with the

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01:19:28,170 --> 01:19:33,780
he further presented was this

1178
01:19:33,780 --> 01:19:37,530
like, you know, there is a big

1179
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:41,760
and this Neo reactionary

1180
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:45,630
having continental control, you

1181
01:19:45,630 --> 01:19:50,010
of sovereign cause, the kings of

1182
01:19:50,010 --> 01:19:53,520
would over be overseen by a

1183
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:57,630
core, which would be a kind of,

1184
01:19:58,710 --> 01:20:01,770
government. I mean. That. And I

1185
01:20:01,770 --> 01:20:03,900
the difficulties we have in

1186
01:20:03,900 --> 01:20:07,890
understand these ideas is that

1187
01:20:07,890 --> 01:20:11,970
creating new structures that we

1188
01:20:11,970 --> 01:20:15,210
envisage. So one of the things

1189
01:20:15,210 --> 01:20:19,200
listening to this would like to,

1190
01:20:19,620 --> 01:20:24,240
is there being no government,

1191
01:20:24,300 --> 01:20:28,680
entity that oversees the

1192
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:32,700
of your life, because, because,

1193
01:20:32,700 --> 01:20:38,280
suggesting, instead of a instead

1194
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:42,120
corporate structure, because

1195
01:20:42,750 --> 01:20:49,470
So that's that is basically and

1196
01:20:49,470 --> 01:20:53,550
influential by Land when he

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01:20:53,550 --> 01:20:58,830
specifically cited Thiel. Thiel

1198
01:20:58,830 --> 01:21:04,800
Yarvin. Yarvin and Thiel watched

1199
01:21:05,130 --> 01:21:10,830
together. Yarvin calls Thiel

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01:21:10,830 --> 01:21:14,370
we're talking about the, you

1201
01:21:14,370 --> 01:21:17,880
there The Dark Enlightenment. So

1202
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:22,590
got in mind. And when we

1203
01:21:22,590 --> 01:21:28,350
way that they envisage rolling

1204
01:21:28,350 --> 01:21:36,030
then we combine that with their

1205
01:21:36,030 --> 01:21:39,660
the ideas of this, that that

1206
01:21:39,660 --> 01:21:42,660
been presented in The Dark

1207
01:21:42,660 --> 01:21:45,690
edifying. Well, what, what, you

1208
01:21:45,690 --> 01:21:51,390
they're basically appear to be

1209
01:21:52,290 --> 01:21:55,380
horrendous totalitarian control

1210
01:21:55,680 --> 01:22:00,870
Yeah, you know, it's funny,

1211
01:22:00,870 --> 01:22:03,360
the risk of, I'm a little

1212
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:10,020
nerdy, but I have been playing

1213
01:22:10,020 --> 01:22:13,320
seven. And basically, in that

1214
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,890
that runs every aspect of

1215
01:22:16,890 --> 01:22:19,470
the planet to power its systems

1216
01:22:19,470 --> 01:22:23,640
Shinra corporation, but they're

1217
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:28,290
the game, you know. And it's

1218
01:22:28,290 --> 01:22:32,040
this would be somehow a fair

1219
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:38,310
sector tyranny, as opposed to a

1220
01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:44,100
kind of impressive, really. And

1221
01:22:44,100 --> 01:22:50,790
it's been so successful in sort

1222
01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:55,500
masquerading itself as sort of

1223
01:22:55,500 --> 01:22:58,170
from tyranny and departure from

1224
01:22:58,170 --> 01:23:01,350
of people are sort of

1225
01:23:01,350 --> 01:23:06,030
but really, it's really, you

1226
01:23:06,060 --> 01:23:10,620
more entrenched even, because he

1227
01:23:10,650 --> 01:23:13,890
Yarvin sort of frames, you know,

1228
01:23:13,890 --> 01:23:17,340
between a CEO and a dictator.

1229
01:23:17,340 --> 01:23:20,310
put a CEO in charge of

1230
01:23:20,310 --> 01:23:23,100
you know, the technical

1231
01:23:23,610 --> 01:23:28,200
continental director, you know,

1232
01:23:28,230 --> 01:23:32,790
you know, they would rule as,

1233
01:23:32,850 --> 01:23:33,270
yeah.

1234
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,390
I mean, one other thing. I

1235
01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:42,000
Americans need to get over their

1236
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:46,740
think, within a couple of weeks

1237
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:51,900
speech at Stanford, I think

1238
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:56,280
that dictatorship was, that was

1239
01:23:56,280 --> 01:24:01,800
was talking about startups, you

1240
01:24:01,860 --> 01:24:04,890
new industry and starting up new

1241
01:24:04,890 --> 01:24:08,550
said, you know that we that we

1242
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:12,240
that need, there needs to be a

1243
01:24:13,050 --> 01:24:14,040
you know, a company for

1244
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:17,490
innovation, Iain

1245
01:24:17,490 --> 01:24:18,150
innovation,

1246
01:24:21,270 --> 01:24:25,110
of innovation. Every

1247
01:24:25,110 --> 01:24:28,290
I mean, that's the thing that

1248
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:32,610
oppression of the public or

1249
01:24:32,610 --> 01:24:36,120
innovation, right? Unless you're

1250
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:38,970
tyranny, which then perhaps

1251
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:43,830
Yeah, yeah, they've been

1252
01:24:43,830 --> 01:24:46,350
think, I think one of the things

1253
01:24:46,350 --> 01:24:49,140
I've written these two articles,

1254
01:24:49,140 --> 01:24:53,520
these seemingly off the wall,

1255
01:24:54,060 --> 01:24:57,000
that are being adopted by some

1256
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:02,430
Earth. But it's not new, is it?

1257
01:25:02,460 --> 01:25:06,660
idea. It's the same old idea

1258
01:25:06,900 --> 01:25:10,200
should completely dominate

1259
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:17,550
mean, I mean, it's as old. It's

1260
01:25:17,550 --> 01:25:18,180
not new,

1261
01:25:18,540 --> 01:25:21,240
you know, it's interesting

1262
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:25,200
that, you know, the PayPal

1263
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:28,290
and we've talked, we haven't

1264
01:25:28,290 --> 01:25:30,660
discussion about it, but the

1265
01:25:30,660 --> 01:25:32,850
touch on it that a lot of these

1266
01:25:32,850 --> 01:25:35,250
particular, are joined at the

1267
01:25:35,250 --> 01:25:38,970
state. And, you know, the

1268
01:25:38,970 --> 01:25:41,460
US when it goes in at coups

1269
01:25:41,490 --> 01:25:45,120
system of government does it

1270
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:51,060
be, you know, libertarian

1271
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:56,400
military dictatorships. So, you

1272
01:25:56,400 --> 01:26:00,690
at the CIA, as I do, is sort of

1273
01:26:00,690 --> 01:26:04,620
Street bankers and organized

1274
01:26:04,620 --> 01:26:09,480
know, intelligence agencies as

1275
01:26:09,480 --> 01:26:12,240
were, it would make sense that

1276
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:15,780
would like to have now in the

1277
01:26:15,780 --> 01:26:20,310
dictatorships around the world.

1278
01:26:20,310 --> 01:26:23,430
think about this in particular.

1279
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:29,790
lands work. Is that the sales

1280
01:26:29,790 --> 01:26:33,780
tyranny, or in technocracy, and

1281
01:26:33,780 --> 01:26:39,780
want to call it, is this, this

1282
01:26:39,780 --> 01:26:43,320
to do this because of the

1283
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:46,860
because of AI and because of

1284
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:50,760
And it kind of reminds me of the

1285
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:53,850
right don't like from the left

1286
01:26:53,850 --> 01:26:57,270
change, for example, and how we

1287
01:26:57,270 --> 01:27:01,680
changes because this terrible

1288
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:04,500
terrible thing will happen, and

1289
01:27:04,500 --> 01:27:07,950
the whole species will be wiped

1290
01:27:07,950 --> 01:27:12,930
everything about our lives. It's

1291
01:27:12,930 --> 01:27:13,680
similar, isn't it?

1292
01:27:14,370 --> 01:27:17,100
Yeah, yeah. And, I mean, I

1293
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:22,470
basically that, you know, the, I

1294
01:27:22,590 --> 01:27:28,140
not that, you know, the the left

1295
01:27:28,140 --> 01:27:32,910
things like, you know, combating

1296
01:27:32,910 --> 01:27:36,840
development and you know these

1297
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:42,360
yeah, we do have to accept this

1298
01:27:42,420 --> 01:27:47,400
sustainable development goals

1299
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:52,620
that's the point of them. To a

1300
01:27:52,620 --> 01:27:55,710
The left accepts that because,

1301
01:27:55,740 --> 01:28:01,590
catastrophe, the impending

1302
01:28:01,590 --> 01:28:05,820
less so they're far more

1303
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:11,370
in in Europe and in the UK and

1304
01:28:11,370 --> 01:28:17,460
more skeptical. Don't kind of

1305
01:28:17,460 --> 01:28:21,840
the left claims. Realize what a

1306
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:25,260
have on the economy and

1307
01:28:25,260 --> 01:28:28,410
they reject it, but they are

1308
01:28:28,410 --> 01:28:32,790
things, such as immigration,

1309
01:28:32,790 --> 01:28:35,460
know, the cost of living, that

1310
01:28:35,460 --> 01:28:42,900
matters. So up steps the other

1311
01:28:42,900 --> 01:28:47,670
time represented by Thiel and

1312
01:28:47,670 --> 01:28:54,600
others and and to provide the

1313
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:58,710
and the Republicans to provide

1314
01:28:58,710 --> 01:29:02,910
exactly the same thing, which

1315
01:29:02,910 --> 01:29:06,090
earlier, is not a new idea. It's

1316
01:29:06,090 --> 01:29:11,490
moving into a technological era

1317
01:29:11,490 --> 01:29:18,000
kind of dictator's point of

1318
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:22,830
just really stamp down on us and

1319
01:29:23,070 --> 01:29:25,650
they've already got the left on

1320
01:29:25,650 --> 01:29:31,080
right on board. Hence Trump it

1321
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:34,380
bait and switch to take place.

1322
01:29:34,380 --> 01:29:37,950
that's, that's the way I view

1323
01:29:37,950 --> 01:29:42,540
no, I can't put a cigarette

1324
01:29:42,540 --> 01:29:46,290
sides of the coin, they're

1325
01:29:46,290 --> 01:29:47,340
path, you

1326
01:29:47,340 --> 01:29:50,610
know? And this kind of

1327
01:29:50,610 --> 01:29:54,870
what you just brought up, of how

1328
01:29:54,900 --> 01:29:59,910
how Teslas, which were

1329
01:29:59,940 --> 01:30:03,390
Very concerned about climate

1330
01:30:03,390 --> 01:30:08,400
US you know, are now being

1331
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:12,750
toting libertarians and Trump

1332
01:30:12,750 --> 01:30:17,010
mass. And you have like, you

1333
01:30:17,010 --> 01:30:20,100
also Howard lutnic, basically

1334
01:30:20,100 --> 01:30:23,730
publicly while in public office,

1335
01:30:23,730 --> 01:30:28,650
framed as like the car of the

1336
01:30:28,650 --> 01:30:32,250
isn't it, because since the

1337
01:30:32,250 --> 01:30:36,690
this technocratic model, and you

1338
01:30:36,690 --> 01:30:43,260
interested in an EV only cars,

1339
01:30:43,290 --> 01:30:46,410
Musk has pointed out, is not a

1340
01:30:46,410 --> 01:30:50,370
AI company. But really, Teslas

1341
01:30:51,420 --> 01:30:56,250
and they can be remotely turned

1342
01:30:56,250 --> 01:30:59,100
and the government decides you

1343
01:30:59,100 --> 01:31:02,880
your car against your will to a

1344
01:31:03,210 --> 01:31:04,230
or into a wall.

1345
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:08,481
Yes, the Michael Hastings

1346
01:31:08,539 --> 01:31:12,051
necessarily better, but now it's

1347
01:31:12,110 --> 01:31:15,915
think, you know, I used to think

1348
01:31:15,974 --> 01:31:19,779
stuff, you know, these shifts in

1349
01:31:19,837 --> 01:31:23,057
people on the right on board

1350
01:31:23,115 --> 01:31:26,745
unquote, globalist policies that

1351
01:31:26,803 --> 01:31:30,315
being engineered to love under

1352
01:31:30,374 --> 01:31:33,945
minute cities, Freedom cities,

1353
01:31:34,003 --> 01:31:37,633
examples that we've discussed

1354
01:31:37,691 --> 01:31:40,969
coins. You know, I used to

1355
01:31:41,028 --> 01:31:44,306
sell Neuralink? And now I'm

1356
01:31:44,365 --> 01:31:47,936
going to tell the conservatives

1357
01:31:47,994 --> 01:31:51,565
own the libs, and then a bunch

1358
01:31:51,623 --> 01:31:55,077
that's a little cynical, but

1359
01:31:55,136 --> 01:31:58,590
social engineering stuff has

1360
01:31:58,648 --> 01:32:01,868
in getting people that were

1361
01:32:01,926 --> 01:32:05,263
reset of the COVID era. You

1362
01:32:05,321 --> 01:32:09,009
job in sort of framing it, that

1363
01:32:09,068 --> 01:32:12,405
plot, and it was just Klaus

1364
01:32:12,463 --> 01:32:16,034
people. And now that we've put

1365
01:32:16,093 --> 01:32:19,546
it's even though people for

1366
01:32:19,605 --> 01:32:23,117
and whatever in our you know,

1367
01:32:23,176 --> 01:32:26,747
Bilderberg steering committee.

1368
01:32:26,805 --> 01:32:30,434
are fine, and it's not really

1369
01:32:30,493 --> 01:32:34,181
people tend to focus so much on

1370
01:32:34,239 --> 01:32:36,640
not the policies being

1371
01:32:36,630 --> 01:32:42,090
no, absolutely. And one of

1372
01:32:42,090 --> 01:32:47,250
very interesting, was it Mark

1373
01:32:47,250 --> 01:32:53,670
Horowitz. He wrote this thing

1374
01:32:53,670 --> 01:32:58,860
manifesto, in which he now

1375
01:32:58,860 --> 01:33:02,880
not officially linked to the

1376
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:08,730
key, a key influencer in in

1377
01:33:08,730 --> 01:33:13,290
was, an advisor, an advisor to

1378
01:33:13,290 --> 01:33:15,660
appears to have been selecting

1379
01:33:15,660 --> 01:33:19,410
positions and everything. Now in

1380
01:33:19,410 --> 01:33:26,730
manifesto, he openly says, we

1381
01:33:26,730 --> 01:33:31,380
obviously the network that he's,

1382
01:33:31,830 --> 01:33:35,580
accelerationists used in the way

1383
01:33:35,610 --> 01:33:39,270
everything that he's written in

1384
01:33:39,750 --> 01:33:44,160
has come is pure. So the people

1385
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:46,950
Enlightenment would call

1386
01:33:48,660 --> 01:33:52,740
And it is pure, Neo reactionary

1387
01:33:52,740 --> 01:33:56,220
he's written there. And, you

1388
01:33:56,220 --> 01:34:00,960
Philosopher's Stone. They're,

1389
01:34:01,260 --> 01:34:07,920
already, elevating it to, you

1390
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:13,830
know that. So these people are

1391
01:34:14,460 --> 01:34:21,540
twisted, I would say, ideology,

1392
01:34:21,870 --> 01:34:27,330
obvious, and they are very

1393
01:34:27,330 --> 01:34:33,180
current US government. So, you

1394
01:34:33,180 --> 01:34:40,980
it's whatever Republican voters

1395
01:34:40,980 --> 01:34:44,850
we, if we look at things like,

1396
01:34:44,850 --> 01:34:52,710
orders, that that's, that's that

1397
01:34:52,740 --> 01:34:57,240
these, this oligarch network,

1398
01:34:57,240 --> 01:35:02,790
to construct this technocratic

1399
01:35:02,790 --> 01:35:07,350
government and and everything

1400
01:35:07,710 --> 01:35:12,090
really, all these, certainly his

1401
01:35:12,090 --> 01:35:18,180
much facilitates that. So or is,

1402
01:35:18,180 --> 01:35:22,230
that. So, yeah, sure, while

1403
01:35:23,460 --> 01:35:26,970
you know, making its efficiency

1404
01:35:26,970 --> 01:35:30,300
that, I think that remains to be

1405
01:35:30,300 --> 01:35:35,370
supposedly making its efficiency

1406
01:35:35,370 --> 01:35:38,820
the beginning of this, what

1407
01:35:38,820 --> 01:35:44,010
it is in it is deploying AI to

1408
01:35:44,010 --> 01:35:49,140
lives. That's what it's that's

1409
01:35:49,140 --> 01:35:52,110
people that are behind it,

1410
01:35:52,620 --> 01:35:56,190
that's what they that's the kind

1411
01:35:56,190 --> 01:36:02,670
construct. But as we, as we also

1412
01:36:02,670 --> 01:36:07,200
idea that the fundamental idea

1413
01:36:07,350 --> 01:36:13,080
1000s of years old. It is about

1414
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:13,890
what it's about.

1415
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:17,220
Well, yeah, I think it's

1416
01:36:17,220 --> 01:36:20,130
you know, the oligarch families

1417
01:36:20,130 --> 01:36:22,740
Middle Ages, when they were a

1418
01:36:22,740 --> 01:36:27,360
ruled by kings, wasn't that

1419
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:31,410
that, but then prevent the serfs

1420
01:36:31,410 --> 01:36:34,500
of thing. But, I mean, I don't

1421
01:36:34,500 --> 01:36:37,140
right? They're techno optimists.

1422
01:36:37,140 --> 01:36:44,130
against optimism? Are you black

1423
01:36:44,130 --> 01:36:46,860
kind of funny, but that's the

1424
01:36:46,860 --> 01:36:47,850
is we'll

1425
01:36:47,850 --> 01:36:51,690
just call it optimism. When

1426
01:36:51,690 --> 01:36:53,880
terrified, but we'll call it

1427
01:36:57,750 --> 01:37:01,710
It's more like the would be,

1428
01:37:01,710 --> 01:37:04,830
era that instead of oil barons,

1429
01:37:04,830 --> 01:37:08,670
barons. They're very optimistic

1430
01:37:08,670 --> 01:37:09,990
this. Yeah

1431
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:14,280
for themselves. Yeah. But to

1432
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:17,310
just talking about, about you

1433
01:37:17,310 --> 01:37:22,230
that they're, they're cajoling

1434
01:37:22,230 --> 01:37:24,720
along with it, with the with the

1435
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:29,220
Republic and the conservative

1436
01:37:29,220 --> 01:37:34,140
techno optimist manifesto,

1437
01:37:34,140 --> 01:37:37,200
load of things. I think he lists

1438
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:41,730
the World Economic Forum, uh,

1439
01:37:43,290 --> 01:37:47,970
and a whole, whole load of

1440
01:37:48,030 --> 01:37:54,150
as the enemies, the enemies of

1441
01:37:54,150 --> 01:37:58,200
techno kings, which is how they

1442
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:01,320
enemies. And then says because,

1443
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:04,560
doesn't say it outright, but he

1444
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:09,900
kind of infers it that they're

1445
01:38:09,900 --> 01:38:14,010
thought was like what we go back

1446
01:38:14,010 --> 01:38:15,330
this just kind of, that's

1447
01:38:15,330 --> 01:38:18,900
what happened during the

1448
01:38:18,900 --> 01:38:22,500
that were promoted very heavily

1449
01:38:22,500 --> 01:38:27,840
unquote, or thought leaders of

1450
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:32,070
lot of them claimed that and

1451
01:38:32,130 --> 01:38:36,270
of the global promoter, self

1452
01:38:36,270 --> 01:38:36,870
partnership,

1453
01:38:38,130 --> 01:38:39,750
yeah, and ignored

1454
01:38:39,750 --> 01:38:44,190
what stakeholder capitalism

1455
01:38:44,190 --> 01:38:48,060
basically became kind of this

1456
01:38:48,060 --> 01:38:53,010
sense. But again, it was about

1457
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:56,280
sort of in the same line of what

1458
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:59,280
identity politics and not really

1459
01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:02,190
underlying policies, which

1460
01:39:02,190 --> 01:39:05,670
great reset in the West is

1461
01:39:05,670 --> 01:39:09,510
fourth industrial revolution,

1462
01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:13,770
biological and digital selves,

1463
01:39:13,770 --> 01:39:18,600
group is also arguing for,

1464
01:39:18,630 --> 01:39:21,660
oh, well, we've defeated the

1465
01:39:21,660 --> 01:39:25,620
communists. We are something

1466
01:39:25,620 --> 01:39:28,800
give you the Fourth Industrial

1467
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:31,740
of the great reset. We're just

1468
01:39:31,740 --> 01:39:35,130
pitches for them, which is,

1469
01:39:36,660 --> 01:39:39,240
where we are in that sense,

1470
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:42,810
the time to focus on the policy

1471
01:39:42,810 --> 01:39:48,240
not the celebrity, not the

1472
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:51,480
politics, or these, you know,

1473
01:39:52,530 --> 01:39:56,520
or, you know, front men that

1474
01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:59,970
richest men in the world, or

1475
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,490
Policies, because you'll find a

1476
01:40:02,490 --> 01:40:07,020
same, and someone like Elon Musk

1477
01:40:07,050 --> 01:40:10,710
ostensible right, but he's a

1478
01:40:10,710 --> 01:40:17,370
basic income, of carbon pricing.

1479
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:21,990
great reset policies, but I

1480
01:40:21,990 --> 01:40:25,530
it's it's different now, or

1481
01:40:25,530 --> 01:40:28,860
you, you know, in your piece,

1482
01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:33,120
about the humane alternative to

1483
01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:36,120
have come out of any of these

1484
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:39,540
with the WEF. Or Yuval Noah

1485
01:40:39,540 --> 01:40:44,400
era, this idea of basically

1486
01:40:45,330 --> 01:40:48,840
instead of killing them. They

1487
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:53,400
worlds enjoying themselves, like

1488
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:56,940
that. But I guess in this case,

1489
01:40:56,940 --> 01:41:03,720
will put you in the pod and feed

1490
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:07,350
you'll get your UBI Liberty

1491
01:41:07,350 --> 01:41:09,960
they'll change the names of all

1492
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:14,520
minute cities are, are freedom

1493
01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:18,300
know, just have to cloak it the

1494
01:41:18,300 --> 01:41:22,110
And, you know, and be like,

1495
01:41:22,110 --> 01:41:25,980
own the LIBS that way in your

1496
01:41:25,980 --> 01:41:29,280
of the policies they advocate

1497
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:33,180
It's just the sales pitches and

1498
01:41:33,180 --> 01:41:36,180
people to consent to them are

1499
01:41:36,180 --> 01:41:39,150
like the COVID era, where so

1500
01:41:39,150 --> 01:41:43,230
people to consent to things and

1501
01:41:43,230 --> 01:41:45,570
things they otherwise want to

1502
01:41:45,570 --> 01:41:49,530
same thing is happening now.

1503
01:41:49,590 --> 01:41:52,230
And I think the interest, I

1504
01:41:52,230 --> 01:41:55,950
quote, I just took a section out

1505
01:41:55,950 --> 01:41:59,940
wrote, the lead up to the quote

1506
01:41:59,940 --> 01:42:04,170
because it does stand out in the

1507
01:42:04,170 --> 01:42:07,860
talking about converting us into

1508
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:10,620
the most useful thing that a lot

1509
01:42:10,620 --> 01:42:14,040
is to be converted into bio

1510
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:17,760
mean, when he's talking about

1511
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:21,060
I think it's important to

1512
01:42:21,060 --> 01:42:26,550
he means. He means all of us

1513
01:42:26,550 --> 01:42:29,520
for the the singularity. You

1514
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:35,370
equipped for it. So we're

1515
01:42:35,820 --> 01:42:38,820
you know, the best thing for us,

1516
01:42:38,850 --> 01:42:41,910
was that we should be turned

1517
01:42:41,910 --> 01:42:46,200
then he said he was just joking.

1518
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:50,400
about that. So what he really

1519
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:53,610
this, but it says our goal, in

1520
01:42:53,610 --> 01:42:57,990
to genocide. That is the ideal

1521
01:42:57,990 --> 01:43:02,490
result as mass murder, the

1522
01:43:02,490 --> 01:43:07,470
from society, but without any of

1523
01:43:07,740 --> 01:43:12,480
Yarvin's main problem with

1524
01:43:12,480 --> 01:43:16,140
that's his, that's his. Yes,

1525
01:43:16,140 --> 01:43:18,150
it other really,

1526
01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:20,910
he's really, Yuval Noah

1527
01:43:20,910 --> 01:43:23,670
like the more I think about it,

1528
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:29,640
so, so bearing in mind that

1529
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:33,540
very close to Yarvin, you know,

1530
01:43:33,540 --> 01:43:37,200
spent a lot of time to together.

1531
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:43,500
number of times. They share the

1532
01:43:43,500 --> 01:43:47,220
know, when you think that how

1533
01:43:47,220 --> 01:43:53,430
current Trump administration and

1534
01:43:53,460 --> 01:43:58,020
across I mean, look at look at

1535
01:43:58,020 --> 01:44:02,910
what we've just heard Yavin say

1536
01:44:02,910 --> 01:44:11,010
Palantir in Ukraine and then

1537
01:44:11,010 --> 01:44:14,640
And stab ruler perhaps wrote an

1538
01:44:15,060 --> 01:44:23,850
the Palantir, you know, used

1539
01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:28,230
not just Palantir, you know,

1540
01:44:28,230 --> 01:44:32,010
there were, there were a lot of

1541
01:44:32,010 --> 01:44:36,120
it as a test bed to develop AI,

1542
01:44:36,150 --> 01:44:40,380
targeting and and things like

1543
01:44:40,380 --> 01:44:47,100
were invited to really kind of

1544
01:44:47,460 --> 01:44:55,170
for, you know, a real genocide,

1545
01:44:55,170 --> 01:44:59,610
the Israeli occupation forces to

1546
01:44:59,970 --> 01:45:03,240
So, so although, and then I

1547
01:45:03,240 --> 01:45:05,550
of the things that I've tried to

1548
01:45:05,550 --> 01:45:09,450
use of language that these

1549
01:45:09,450 --> 01:45:14,070
often, and, you know, do it in a

1550
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:17,970
You know, that's the way, that's

1551
01:45:17,970 --> 01:45:22,470
ideas. Oh, it's all just a

1552
01:45:22,500 --> 01:45:26,430
the culmination of those ideas,

1553
01:45:26,430 --> 01:45:29,430
Gaza, it's not so funny after

1554
01:45:30,210 --> 01:45:32,490
No, not at all. And I think

1555
01:45:32,490 --> 01:45:36,240
overlooked entirely in talking

1556
01:45:36,240 --> 01:45:40,830
influence in the United States,

1557
01:45:40,830 --> 01:45:44,670
these things are intended to be

1558
01:45:44,670 --> 01:45:47,310
is the repurposing of a program

1559
01:45:47,310 --> 01:45:51,510
purpose. And it's meant to be a

1560
01:45:51,510 --> 01:45:54,060
Palantir ever since, you know,

1561
01:45:54,060 --> 01:45:57,480
information awareness and

1562
01:45:57,480 --> 01:46:01,680
has been at the forefront of

1563
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:05,310
called now, you know, throughout

1564
01:46:05,310 --> 01:46:08,970
beyond as well. And the idea,

1565
01:46:08,970 --> 01:46:12,240
determines if you may be guilty

1566
01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:15,960
that you can be prosecuted,

1567
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:18,630
might do something that you

1568
01:46:18,630 --> 01:46:25,350
obviously horrible and

1569
01:46:25,350 --> 01:46:28,350
this whole idea of, well, you

1570
01:46:28,740 --> 01:46:33,420
effectuate this, this idea that,

1571
01:46:33,420 --> 01:46:37,620
eaters and all of that, because

1572
01:46:37,620 --> 01:46:39,930
which used to use Palantir for

1573
01:46:39,930 --> 01:46:43,170
moved to this other program, the

1574
01:46:43,170 --> 01:46:45,720
recently, called PredPol, was

1575
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:50,430
accurate, half a percent. Yeah,

1576
01:46:50,430 --> 01:46:53,970
than a coin toss. It's basically

1577
01:46:53,970 --> 01:46:59,670
send as many of the people there

1578
01:47:00,150 --> 01:47:02,520
you know are Yarvin, and you

1579
01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:05,670
undesirables? Well, you know,

1580
01:47:05,670 --> 01:47:09,300
right? Or perspective,

1581
01:47:09,300 --> 01:47:12,450
combination of these algorithms,

1582
01:47:12,450 --> 01:47:16,440
algorithms have your social

1583
01:47:16,650 --> 01:47:19,050
is now, you know, hate speech

1584
01:47:19,050 --> 01:47:22,680
was before too, but they're sort

1585
01:47:22,680 --> 01:47:26,310
people, to deport people, and

1586
01:47:26,310 --> 01:47:30,000
on what they've said about, you

1587
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:33,930
war, more specifically, what

1588
01:47:33,930 --> 01:47:37,290
kick that up a notch and it can

1589
01:47:37,290 --> 01:47:40,650
a pre crime paradigm, staying

1590
01:47:41,580 --> 01:47:44,610
is an indicator that you may

1591
01:47:44,610 --> 01:47:47,400
the future, or something like

1592
01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:52,110
absolutely bonkers, and it's

1593
01:47:52,110 --> 01:47:55,890
people just don't really realize

1594
01:47:55,890 --> 01:47:59,790
know, in my case, you know, I've

1595
01:47:59,790 --> 01:48:03,270
and Thiel, and then later JD

1596
01:48:03,270 --> 01:48:07,380
of his ties to, you know, Thiel

1597
01:48:07,380 --> 01:48:11,730
you know, quite vocally, and I

1598
01:48:11,730 --> 01:48:14,580
doesn't seem to resonate with

1599
01:48:14,580 --> 01:48:19,620
meant to become, and now,

1600
01:48:19,620 --> 01:48:22,680
with the health system in the Us

1601
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:26,280
the UK, with NHS, they have

1602
01:48:26,490 --> 01:48:29,520
And in the first Trump

1603
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:33,450
create a program called Safe

1604
01:48:33,450 --> 01:48:37,710
your social media and determine

1605
01:48:37,710 --> 01:48:41,640
signs of neuropsychiatric

1606
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:46,440
know, put on, placed under house

1607
01:48:46,440 --> 01:48:49,590
know, preventatively and Trump,

1608
01:48:49,590 --> 01:48:53,280
this thing, like we have to stop

1609
01:48:53,280 --> 01:49:01,590
happen in all of this. And it's

1610
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:06,090
to say the least, um, but would

1611
01:49:06,090 --> 01:49:08,670
see where that could easily

1612
01:49:08,940 --> 01:49:12,960
viewpoints from yard and others,

1613
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:16,710
undesirables in the pod. Well,

1614
01:49:16,710 --> 01:49:19,830
but we can put them under house

1615
01:49:19,830 --> 01:49:22,680
in the metaverse or whatever. I

1616
01:49:22,680 --> 01:49:27,420
dark, but unfortunately,

1617
01:49:27,420 --> 01:49:31,710
being constructed that also

1618
01:49:31,740 --> 01:49:35,100
weapons and the generation of AI

1619
01:49:35,100 --> 01:49:39,720
to slaughter whole families in

1620
01:49:39,720 --> 01:49:43,350
happened, and Palantir has now

1621
01:49:43,350 --> 01:49:46,860
government is allowing that to

1622
01:49:47,700 --> 01:49:52,170
international condemnation or

1623
01:49:52,170 --> 01:49:56,610
from continuing, shows that it

1624
01:49:56,610 --> 01:49:59,580
fact that Palantir was always

1625
01:49:59,580 --> 01:50:04,470
in. Or against, you know,

1626
01:50:04,470 --> 01:50:06,990
you know, its previous

1627
01:50:06,990 --> 01:50:12,960
should be very, very aware of,

1628
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:17,340
is, and how and how much this

1629
01:50:19,890 --> 01:50:22,980
certainly not cheerleaded. And I

1630
01:50:23,430 --> 01:50:27,180
Yeah. And I think you know,

1631
01:50:27,180 --> 01:50:31,800
would sort of stress as well is

1632
01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:37,770
potential that they are

1633
01:50:37,770 --> 01:50:41,640
of the system that they are

1634
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:45,300
all the way back to a guy called

1635
01:50:45,300 --> 01:50:48,210
was the kind of, the initial

1636
01:50:48,210 --> 01:50:52,230
driving force for the for the

1637
01:50:52,230 --> 01:50:58,470
said the system must be first

1638
01:50:58,470 --> 01:51:04,260
system. And one of the questions

1639
01:51:04,860 --> 01:51:08,160
it's not intended for the

1640
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:12,930
discussing, and we're already

1641
01:51:13,140 --> 01:51:18,630
kinds of terrible reason,

1642
01:51:18,630 --> 01:51:22,140
it? Why are they constructing it

1643
01:51:22,140 --> 01:51:24,990
constructing it, if they don't

1644
01:51:24,990 --> 01:51:28,350
that they do intend to use it

1645
01:51:29,370 --> 01:51:37,800
for, for that, for that kind of

1646
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:41,040
know, terrible, terrible kind of

1647
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:47,850
using this, this, these systems

1648
01:51:47,850 --> 01:51:52,560
though, that I would point out

1649
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:56,040
to accept it. We just don't have

1650
01:51:56,040 --> 01:52:00,420
compelled to go along with any

1651
01:52:00,420 --> 01:52:03,750
we but unfortunately, I mean

1652
01:52:03,750 --> 01:52:06,510
Certainly I would suggest that

1653
01:52:06,510 --> 01:52:12,990
US in this lead up to the recent

1654
01:52:13,020 --> 01:52:16,980
as you rightly said earlier, is

1655
01:52:16,980 --> 01:52:23,520
with it, based on based on a

1656
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:28,320
what, of what is being proposed.

1657
01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:31,860
proposed is not what I would

1658
01:52:31,890 --> 01:52:34,590
thought was being proposed. It

1659
01:52:35,400 --> 01:52:38,280
Well, certainly not. And

1660
01:52:38,310 --> 01:52:41,910
now, uh, trying to keep people

1661
01:52:41,910 --> 01:52:45,360
it more time. Trump needs more

1662
01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:48,540
remember, we've heard this

1663
01:52:48,540 --> 01:52:51,960
his first term, the trust the

1664
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:55,110
basically want you to sit and

1665
01:52:55,110 --> 01:52:58,950
giving your consent until what

1666
01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:05,490
been built. And exactly they're

1667
01:53:05,490 --> 01:53:08,430
system. They've been very

1668
01:53:08,430 --> 01:53:12,450
lot of that is because of how

1669
01:53:12,450 --> 01:53:15,600
media. And something I've said

1670
01:53:15,600 --> 01:53:20,040
very true, is that the PayPal

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media voices in attempt to, even

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they attempt to recruit them to

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involve the Thiel Foundation,

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personally because I was

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01:53:39,060 --> 01:53:44,190
had just written a book slamming

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thanks. But if I got an offer

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did not even respond to, I'm

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01:53:52,440 --> 01:53:55,500
as well in independent media.

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01:53:55,530 --> 01:53:58,440
there's Thiel funding people

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01:53:59,340 --> 01:54:03,510
and also, you know, via rumble,

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shareholder in and a lot of

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at these big promoted voices and

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01:54:10,260 --> 01:54:13,500
alternative media, they're not

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they they're extremely boosted

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01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:21,510
it should be abundantly obvious

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01:54:21,540 --> 01:54:26,220
you know, those voices to keep

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01:54:26,220 --> 01:54:28,230
all of these things are

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01:54:28,230 --> 01:54:30,990
suppressed or controversial

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is, sit and wait. Trump will fix

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01:54:37,710 --> 01:54:40,230
of these other figures will fix

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01:54:40,230 --> 01:54:43,590
us to extricate ourselves from

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01:54:43,590 --> 01:54:46,530
Trump or Thiel or Musk or anyone

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01:54:46,530 --> 01:54:50,940
is it must be first, right? It's

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01:54:50,940 --> 01:54:53,910
we don't want to live under the

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01:54:53,910 --> 01:54:56,670
extricate ourselves from it and

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01:54:56,670 --> 01:54:59,670
possible. Because if we're

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01:54:59,670 --> 01:55:02,940
become. And even more dependent

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over the next, you know, four to

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You know, it'll be much harder

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01:55:14,010 --> 01:55:16,440
the future. And you will, you

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01:55:16,440 --> 01:55:19,650
be programmed by these people,

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01:55:19,650 --> 01:55:23,790
effort ultimately is leading us

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01:55:23,790 --> 01:55:26,640
of time. Iain, any last

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01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:29,220
the topic of discussion at

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01:55:29,460 --> 01:55:33,270
one thing, there's no doubt

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01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:38,430
You know, the land spoke about

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01:55:38,430 --> 01:55:44,670
treated with that they've got

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01:55:44,670 --> 01:55:48,390
functions of society that's part

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01:55:48,390 --> 01:55:52,560
they would audit everyone's

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01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:57,540
our sovereignty was so pitiful,

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01:55:57,540 --> 01:56:02,100
be treated with derision so and

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01:56:02,100 --> 01:56:06,990
that that is how we are seen.

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01:56:06,990 --> 01:56:11,250
the inarticulate pros. Javin

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01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:15,720
in a virtualized world like bees

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01:56:15,720 --> 01:56:22,050
seen as genocide is bad. PR, you

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01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:27,990
unthinking demos. These people

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01:56:27,990 --> 01:56:31,470
to be very clear on that. Well,

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01:56:31,470 --> 01:56:34,320
so much for your time. Iain,

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01:56:34,320 --> 01:56:37,830
listeners know where to find

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01:56:37,830 --> 01:56:40,110
mentioned earlier, you're a

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01:56:40,110 --> 01:56:43,110
Hangout. But of course, you have

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01:56:43,110 --> 01:56:45,990
own books and and other

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01:56:46,740 --> 01:56:48,780
you know our listeners and

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would be greatly appreciated.

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01:56:50,790 --> 01:56:55,080
you can find me at

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01:56:55,080 --> 01:56:59,460
name's spelt with two I's. It's

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01:56:59,460 --> 01:57:05,520
at Substack, which, again, is

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01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:09,480
fortunate that a number of my

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01:57:09,510 --> 01:57:13,830
offGuardian, which is a great

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01:57:13,830 --> 01:57:16,170
lot of writers there that are

1731
01:57:16,410 --> 01:57:19,680
offGuardian. I'm very fortunate

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01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:22,470
yourself, Whitney, at Unlimited

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01:57:22,470 --> 01:57:27,390
articles published with

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01:57:27,390 --> 01:57:30,930
book, my latest book is The

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01:57:30,930 --> 01:57:35,580
freely available to subscribers

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01:57:35,580 --> 01:57:40,320
purchase a physical copy if you

1737
01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:43,720
Well, thanks so much, Iain,

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01:57:43,720 --> 01:57:50,380
particularly on the elites now

1739
01:57:50,380 --> 01:57:53,770
obviously poised to have a major

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01:57:53,770 --> 01:57:56,830
just because of the unipolar

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01:57:56,830 --> 01:58:02,200
post world war two era. And also

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topics, there were other things

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01:58:06,190 --> 01:58:07,960
I wish we had time to talk

1744
01:58:07,960 --> 01:58:10,930
synthetic hegemonic currency,

1745
01:58:10,930 --> 01:58:15,010
new digital finance paradigm

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01:58:15,010 --> 01:58:18,310
into, among other things. So I

1747
01:58:18,310 --> 01:58:20,710
people to check out not just

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01:58:20,710 --> 01:58:24,040
Hangout, but some of his past

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01:58:24,460 --> 01:58:28,930
more relevant than ever. And

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01:58:28,930 --> 01:58:31,930
listening and for especially to

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01:58:31,930 --> 01:58:35,860
podcast, and we'll catch you on

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01:58:35,860 --> 01:58:37,990
our series on the PayPal