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Webb. For well over a year the

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on with little sign of slowing

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by the conflict within Ukraine,

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corporations are pouring

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into the post war reconstruction

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fighting continues unabated.

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to some but the reality is that

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perfect testbed for a host of

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particularly invasive

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part of the rollout of the so

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Revolution or 4IR while the

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great reset trumpeted that COVID

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implementing these policies and

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Ukraine, the chaos of the

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desperate war torn country into

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ID to Central Bank digital

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outsourced much of its critical

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businesses and tech giants.

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may soon be unrecognizable.

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becoming it is being made to fit

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like those who populate the

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Forum and those who sit within

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BlackRock. To discuss this and

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Pabst. Stavroula is a writer,

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in Athens, Greece, who has

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and the satire site Reductress,

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recently become a contributor to

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piece covering the very topics

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is entitled Ukraine's Future

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for joining me today Stavroula,

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Hangout. Thanks for having me. I

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for writing such a wonderful

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you detail on your piece, this

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Ukraine is going on before the

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seems kind of odd, you know, a

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people are making, because the

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blown up or destroyed by by the

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what exactly is going on here?

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what are their goals? And more

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people have any agency in these

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actually one of the main things

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There's this obsession, I feel

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of Ukraine, even though again,

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don't have any idea about how

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But I personally think that this

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about preparing, you know,

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reconstruction goes on in the

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reconstruction efforts be led by

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powerful, and in my opinion,

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already preparing to make major

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example of this is, of course,

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understanding with Ukraine's it

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situation where Black Rock is

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to recreate Ukraine, or we're

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Ukraine. So they're actively

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the most powerful people and

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they're actively telling us that

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They want to make Ukraine

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speaking to a lot of policy

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makes it much easier to

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especially what's going on right

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a lot of corporations are really

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over the war effort in Ukraine.

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everything except the dying, we

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Microsoft, both. They're both

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the Ukrainian Government's

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various ways. They're there,

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over critical infrastructure of

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understand that if they push

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partnerships in Ukraine, if

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wartime efforts now, this is

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of the larger political

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the development of the global

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right? Where we have these

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public private counter

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situations where corporations

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Ukraine or whatever is

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accountable to the public. So

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Ukraine is that we're seeing a

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private partnership become

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seeing act be activated,

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it's something where they can

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normalize it, they can show us

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public private partnerships have

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where if these efforts and if

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structures become normalized in

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for them to facilitate that for

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whatever works in Ukraine now

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course, we know by now that

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particularly by the UK

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to essentially egg on the

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events that could have led to

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ties into this reconstruction

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know, those governments in

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a lot of involvement in this

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lot of the world's larger powers

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think that that's for a number

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this, and in relation to

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Ukraine, I think that they would

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forever, because they know, they

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of crisis through war, they have

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pliable to their initiatives.

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true in Ukraine. I mean, the

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you know, the more destroyed it

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situation where they know that

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whatever they want in Ukraine,

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little sovereignty. And

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government has essentially,

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essentially expelled most of the

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understanding is that Zelenskyy

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COVID-19. And that particular

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Charles and the World Economic

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groups. You know, this campaign

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catalyst for a series of changes

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facets of society, right under

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Fourth Industrial Revolution.

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wane, and as the Ukraine Russian

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new buzzword that came out and

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it the polycrisis. And it's sort

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the Ukraine Russian conflict,

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Russia, but you know, its global

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prices, for example, and much

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what you know, I'm thinking

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last question, you have this

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Ukraine Russian conflict from

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government policy from COVID-19

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unnecessarily we know now, a lot

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you know, this polycrisis

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Ukraine Russian conflict, a lot

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example, were policy decisions

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sanction Russia, for example,

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there's sort of this effort to

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inevitable crises that are out

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elite, but at the same time, a

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least in a tangible sense, had

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unintentional government

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course, from the Western world,

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of COVID-19 not exclusive to

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the way it looks to me, given

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of creating the polycrisis on a

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sort of seems like, as you note

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chaotic eWCA, quote, the chaotic

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microcosm of the larger

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refer to the war as the great

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of say that implicit in a lot of

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essentially a threat from a lot

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until you acquiesce to these

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on, you know, the world

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know, a majority of nations, you

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takes place, the crises will not

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worse. What are your thoughts on

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microcosm, as I wrote in the

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intentionality behind this.

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a situation where they've

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told us earlier in the fall this

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war in Ukraine, it's quite

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well face power outages there,

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able to necessarily be able to

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actively were telling us that

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situation. And it's quite true

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grocery store, I see things, I

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this is about putting a lot of

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population, they're kind of

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a war, the Western powers

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to war, they want to continue

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resist it, I would actually very

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can connect that back to COVID.

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of the World Economic Forum's

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in this world where there's

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crisis. And it's horrible. You

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forced a lot of us to live with

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very excessive restrictions. And

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you know, many of us technically

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very mentally stressful time.

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to that the lockdowns destroyed

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what's happening now is, let's

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springboard for what was

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living standards will get worse,

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whether the war is happening, or

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you should not be able to fight

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they want us to feel that we

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crisis, even though this crisis

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created. So yes, in short, I

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intentionality here. Yes.

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explicit is that, for example,

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the time and half men over the

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been told that, you know, it's

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Ukrainian side, you know, and

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other governments have told the

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millions upon millions of

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little traceability and

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this idea that what is really

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democracy is like people have an

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deciding their leaders and their

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military operations, the

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government. And, of course,

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Ukrainian. They're not based on

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intelligence services of the

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there with Israel, all sorts of,

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really involved. And, you know,

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the Ukrainian government under,

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directives, have essentially

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of not just their military, but

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foreign multinational companies.

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don't have a lot of say over

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know, now, or have known for

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Valley companies are

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the mass harvesting of data. And

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people have a lot of say over

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military. Is there any

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like Google and Microsoft have,

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that to an extent. So, you know,

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partnership, like you mentioned

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on here? You know, what are the

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democracy in Ukraine?

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it's quite complicated, and a

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short, I, you know, as we've

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around, they actively show up at

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such as at Davos, such as at the

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able to try to get investments

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assistance for Ukraine so that

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try to fight this war. And, of

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are able to win this war. I

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that would be possible. But it

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that that's essentially what

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single chance that they're able

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mean, a large number of

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help Ukraine, but by helping

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solid sovereignty, right,

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sovereignty exists, still, these

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honest, it's to the point that

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looking up what's going on, you

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major corporation and its

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they are taking on what should

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Ukraine, they are taking that

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that there's any real

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corporations are using the

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mean, based on what I was able

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almost nothing. And I'm not

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little about the transparency of

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realize that they don't have to

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well, this is a wartime

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seems that anything goes they

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are in a state where they can't

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questions and actually expect

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So in short, no, I find that

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transparency. And I think that

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anybody to actually say what

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should probably talk a little

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discuss a little bit in my

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state in a smartphone app that

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going on in Ukraine. And this

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smartphone app, which I find to

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But okay, it this app

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services, including digital ID,

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through Diia. You can pay taxes

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like cash payments to people

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COVID. Diia had also facilitated

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like cash payments to people who

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short, we're seeing a lot of

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encapsulate itself perfectly in

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that very much dia encapsulates

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because, you know, you're

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government app through, you're

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know, Diia is a very easy way to

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may have problems with. But

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quickly, because you're doing it

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if Diia now holds a digital ID,

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difficult to resist that because

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government can say this service

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is now also on Diia, we can use

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there have been a number of

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Diia, I think also, there's

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terms of people's like, secure,

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private information is on the

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last year, Diia was actually dia

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government services had been

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information had actually been

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correctly. So it's a situation

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being asked to use Diia. To do a

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population is especially asked

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COVID was a time where you

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services in person. So the

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slowly coerced into using this,

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app, where they really have

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could be used by the government

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would use a state in a

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who knows about Diia ability to

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know, this has this came up in

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USAID has supported Diia

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they're actually hoping or it's

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had announced at the World

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that she would like to see Diia

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way around the world, especially

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I think that's disgusting, but

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been announced that they will be

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like Diia to other countries,

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So in my opinion, Diia kind of

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lot of initiatives are being

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being done in this semi coercive

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harder if you don't go long. Or

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example, you know, it's harder

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life, if you don't have that

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don't have that digital ID. So I

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encapsulates the overall

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So in my experience in

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probably similar in Ukraine,

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you have a lot of these

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you stopped being able to

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did before. And this is often

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people. So for example, applying

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that, and Chile, used to be in a

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you know, allegedly because of

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online now, and a lot more

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claim they, despite you

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servers, they claim to lose your

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But essentially, what's

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as they move everything to the

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remove the equivalent to the

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the digital realm. And it's no

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group like USAID which has been

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know, across the spectrum really

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you would have them backing this

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Because essentially, it's

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data. And it also makes it much

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mentioned earlier, what people

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people's sensitive data where

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Because of course, if it's all

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of different government offices,

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and you know, tied up with

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one stop shop digital program,

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obviously benefits them a lot

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place. And something that I've

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and some past interviews, and

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that the same you have sort of

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going on. So you know, what,

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just talked about, is this

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the digital world, right? And so

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smartphone, you know, you have

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to access these necessary

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interact with the economy or do

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a car, for example, but this

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exert increased control over the

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centralize the internet and make

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the guise of doing things like

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cybercrime, censorship, to stop

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hate speech and all of this

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intentionally an intermingling

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you're pushing people into the

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forcing them there through

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noted. But you're also

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digital world in an

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that sort of makes it take on

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element, in the sense. And

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Diia is really, really

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the fact that there's really no

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know, people in Ukraine, it's a

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people are not necessarily in a

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their voices heard in this in

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with, you know, the opposition

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control of Zelenskyy, who is

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the Western oligarchs

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It's a very sad situation. But

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terms of what we've just been

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discussion of Ukraine and

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So can you touch on that those

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things like the digital ID and

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nature?

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Sure. So I will touch on

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really think that I think it's a

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what will happen but I think

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ensuring it becomes one of the

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countries. And I actually start

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Fedorov tweeting about this

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about Ukraine 2030, where

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they want Ukraine to become a

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everybody to be using ehealth

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services. And now it's become

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it's become essentially this

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has a very convenient life. So

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cashless there, by the way, so I

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for sure, I wouldn't be

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trying to remove or making these

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traditional services, and the

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00:29:02,670 --> 00:29:05,910
currency, I'm sorry, available

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00:29:05,910 --> 00:29:08,850
they're telling you where they

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00:29:08,850 --> 00:29:12,060
talk a lot about where they'd

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00:29:12,060 --> 00:29:15,600
understanding is that Ukraine is

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itself as this very digital,

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that means country that will do

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00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,480
the world that it's moved ahead

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00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,480
they're acting like Ukraine will

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00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,950
the points in relation to the

446
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:40,410
interesting stuff going on here.

447
00:29:40,410 --> 00:29:44,790
works. It's called the

448
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goes well with it, this will be

449
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,350
granted when they say that I

450
00:29:52,350 --> 00:29:54,900
affect this, but for now that

451
00:29:54,930 --> 00:29:58,890
They're positing they will do.

452
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couple interesting things. I did

453
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,630
wouldn't be facilitated by a

454
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also would run on the stellar

455
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blockchain network, I should

456
00:30:15,570 --> 00:30:18,900
if I, I think stellar is

457
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:22,350
investigation, because if you

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00:30:22,350 --> 00:30:27,450
little suspect, to say the very

459
00:30:27,450 --> 00:30:31,590
technically a public network.

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00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:36,630
stellar Development Foundation,

461
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:41,460
look at stellar, I feel that it

462
00:30:41,460 --> 00:30:45,510
the elite, and it's very much in

463
00:30:45,540 --> 00:30:49,170
Development Foundation, I'm

464
00:30:49,260 --> 00:30:53,700
with the goals of the elite. If

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they use publicly, stellar is

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payment standard. And stellar

467
00:31:03,630 --> 00:31:07,350
been selected to become a

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00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:13,380
coin. It's also collaborating

469
00:31:13,380 --> 00:31:17,640
develop a future Brazilian cbdc.

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00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,110
public materials, they actively

471
00:31:22,110 --> 00:31:27,990
actively fashioning itself to

472
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:31,620
could be used on. So I think

473
00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:34,530
you know, I think a lot of

474
00:31:34,530 --> 00:31:38,970
dangers of CBDC's, I also would

475
00:31:38,970 --> 00:31:43,860
particular creeps me out and it

476
00:31:43,860 --> 00:31:48,990
terms of this, the e griffonia.

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00:31:48,990 --> 00:31:55,110
larger push toward CBDC's that's

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00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:57,720
think that the current

479
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,830
bit about the general concerns

480
00:32:01,830 --> 00:32:05,430
case, you know, because we

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00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:08,790
let's say that the e-hryvnia is

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Diia, which does already have a

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00:32:14,610 --> 00:32:18,360
about Diia is that a lot of

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00:32:18,660 --> 00:32:21,750
identity through Diia to do

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00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:25,140
people will verify their

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00:32:25,140 --> 00:32:29,190
their banking services, to

487
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:33,840
even being used for like a chat

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00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,380
you're Ukrainian, then you can

489
00:32:37,380 --> 00:32:41,400
to essentially report on enemy

490
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:48,000
seeing this CBDC launch within

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00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,350
first of all, very hell bent on

492
00:32:52,350 --> 00:32:56,820
possible as quickly as possible,

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a digital ID. So it seems quite

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00:33:01,110 --> 00:33:05,340
e-hryvnia launched, it would

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plausibly I should say be

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because that infrastructure

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00:33:13,710 --> 00:33:17,100
wouldn't be surprised to see any

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00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:21,270
drive that's ongoing in Ukraine,

499
00:33:21,270 --> 00:33:24,420
trying to move as quickly as

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safe for about any of the

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00:33:28,620 --> 00:33:33,210
pose the population. I think

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of the possible dangers

503
00:33:37,020 --> 00:33:40,200
particular, we're concerned

504
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,280
its programmability. And second

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00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:49,650
identity. And, you know,

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00:33:49,650 --> 00:33:53,820
the e-hryvnia being tied to a

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00:33:53,820 --> 00:33:58,320
you. So one day, we work to

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00:33:58,350 --> 00:34:03,330
be quite easy to say, okay, you

509
00:34:03,330 --> 00:34:06,900
does or doesn't follow rules.

510
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:10,830
their level of access to goods

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00:34:10,830 --> 00:34:15,540
think that a lot of general

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00:34:15,540 --> 00:34:18,510
very concerned for them in this

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00:34:18,510 --> 00:34:22,590
situation of wartime. It's a

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00:34:22,590 --> 00:34:26,790
country has very little saying

515
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:29,700
said, it seems that the

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much interested and pushing

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They don't want discussion they

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most advanced country on Earth.

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00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,750
where priorities are clearly not

520
00:34:45,930 --> 00:34:49,050
Priorities are about moving

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possible, which very much means

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00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,570
very much that it will be linked

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00:34:57,570 --> 00:35:00,690
software or the other

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00:35:00,690 --> 00:35:02,430
government is moving forward.

525
00:35:02,940 --> 00:35:04,410
Well, I think you're

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00:35:04,410 --> 00:35:07,440
Because from what I've seen,

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00:35:07,470 --> 00:35:11,280
increasingly digital, you know,

528
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,900
to sort of the CBDC or pre CBDC

529
00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:19,050
they're trying to sell it isn't

530
00:35:19,050 --> 00:35:23,790
also stuff like safety from

531
00:35:24,060 --> 00:35:27,270
where they're pitching that is

532
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,690
identity. And a lot of that, you

533
00:35:30,690 --> 00:35:33,900
interview, that one contributor

534
00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:37,170
told me that, I shouldn't say

535
00:35:37,170 --> 00:35:41,280
because they were requiring him

536
00:35:41,310 --> 00:35:45,780
even be able to access his own

537
00:35:45,780 --> 00:35:49,140
even before cbdc has been rolled

538
00:35:49,140 --> 00:35:53,310
private commercial bank, making

539
00:35:53,310 --> 00:35:56,280
that, you know, when the cbdc is

540
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,800
it, you'll have to prove it's

541
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,950
to do that than the digital ID,

542
00:36:02,490 --> 00:36:05,010
groups out there that have

543
00:36:05,010 --> 00:36:08,070
having them completely tied

544
00:36:08,070 --> 00:36:11,190
has been pretty explicit about

545
00:36:12,450 --> 00:36:17,580
that they called The People's

546
00:36:17,580 --> 00:36:21,180
paper, yes. But it's talking

547
00:36:21,180 --> 00:36:25,620
foster in, you know, the cbdc.

548
00:36:25,620 --> 00:36:29,130
fostering financial inclusivity

549
00:36:29,130 --> 00:36:33,000
in order to move finances to an

550
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:36,660
the digital realm, it's

551
00:36:36,660 --> 00:36:39,390
to digital ID. I mean, they make

552
00:36:39,390 --> 00:36:42,900
also tie that, interestingly

553
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:46,530
Sustainable Development Goals,

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00:36:47,070 --> 00:36:50,070
part of agenda 2030. So it's

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00:36:50,070 --> 00:36:54,150
with Ukraine 2030, you know,

556
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:56,190
it's interesting, too, because

557
00:36:56,190 --> 00:36:59,700
Sustainable Development Goals,

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00:36:59,700 --> 00:37:03,540
don't necessarily see that as

559
00:37:03,540 --> 00:37:07,530
digital, right. But to the UN,

560
00:37:07,530 --> 00:37:09,960
sustainable development goals

561
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,670
actually quite explicit about a

562
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:18,120
quote unquote, sustainable but

563
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,920
one of the ways they tend to do

564
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,310
making everything digital is

565
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:30,630
oddly something that is also

566
00:37:30,690 --> 00:37:34,860
piloted in Ukraine, because as

567
00:37:34,860 --> 00:37:40,620
this big push by Zelenskyy, and

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00:37:40,620 --> 00:37:44,730
turn Ukraine into the quote,

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00:37:44,730 --> 00:37:50,850
economy, and the fastest growing

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00:37:51,090 --> 00:37:55,230
And one of the ways this is

571
00:37:55,230 --> 00:37:58,140
accomplished is through this

572
00:37:58,140 --> 00:38:02,790
called the Ukraine Green Growth

573
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:07,620
by Australian mining magnets

574
00:38:07,620 --> 00:38:11,790
with two R's. So what can you

575
00:38:11,790 --> 00:38:15,810
not to just be, you know, in

576
00:38:15,810 --> 00:38:19,440
than anybody else, but also

577
00:38:19,470 --> 00:38:23,880
if this is actually correlated

578
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,460
any capacity, or just a talking

579
00:38:27,180 --> 00:38:30,900
um, in short, I would have

580
00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:34,290
talking point. It's actually

581
00:38:34,290 --> 00:38:39,180
up you know, this push for

582
00:38:39,180 --> 00:38:43,440
same time, because when I was

583
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,620
had actually seen some people

584
00:38:46,620 --> 00:38:50,700
transition, where there's two

585
00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:54,510
transformation being paired with

586
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:57,870
they're kind of actively trying

587
00:38:57,870 --> 00:39:01,710
actively trying those trying to

588
00:39:02,610 --> 00:39:05,850
together with their language. So

589
00:39:05,850 --> 00:39:08,940
found very interesting when I

590
00:39:08,940 --> 00:39:13,860
piece. In terms of the Ukraine

591
00:39:13,860 --> 00:39:17,280
there's that initiative, which

592
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:22,980
there's just so many other you

593
00:39:22,980 --> 00:39:28,680
plans, that I find to be very

594
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,520
least. And of course, a lot of

595
00:39:32,910 --> 00:39:37,800
the reconstruction being planned

596
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,970
said earlier, they're talking

597
00:39:41,970 --> 00:39:45,420
the war is even over. And

598
00:39:45,420 --> 00:39:49,980
Reconstruction in ways that are

599
00:39:49,980 --> 00:39:53,040
recommend people do a Google

600
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,760
case, it's kind of interesting

601
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,420
Google is going to give you in

602
00:40:00,570 --> 00:40:04,230
There's just so if you look up

603
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:08,340
Ukraine, green future Ukraine,

604
00:40:08,340 --> 00:40:12,450
articles saying why Ukraine's

605
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,860
There's been this idea that a

606
00:40:16,860 --> 00:40:21,630
packaged together for Ukraine.

607
00:40:21,630 --> 00:40:26,700
cases, it's very disingenuous.

608
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:31,290
transformation of society being

609
00:40:31,290 --> 00:40:35,550
reconstruction is a perfect

610
00:40:35,550 --> 00:40:40,800
ways that are green. And within

611
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,520
predatory behavior from the

612
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,360
decarbonisation, or other green

613
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,800
as bludgeons to get, you know,

614
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,730
like, I think the same thing is

615
00:40:56,730 --> 00:41:01,560
Ukraine Green Growth Initiative.

616
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,880
said, and it's an investment

617
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:10,110
had put like 500 million US

618
00:41:10,110 --> 00:41:14,940
that they are hoping that they

619
00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:20,370
green investments. Obviously,

620
00:41:20,370 --> 00:41:25,590
of the world's most predatory

621
00:41:25,590 --> 00:41:32,190
Fink, Michael Bloomberg, and Joe

622
00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:36,270
Boris, Boris Johnson, all of

623
00:41:36,270 --> 00:41:40,170
the process of establishing this

624
00:41:40,170 --> 00:41:44,250
you anything in the first place.

625
00:41:44,250 --> 00:41:47,580
and we're talking the world's

626
00:41:47,580 --> 00:41:51,510
what we need to understand right

627
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:55,410
have a history, not as

628
00:41:55,410 --> 00:42:00,210
are looking for returns on their

629
00:42:00,210 --> 00:42:03,030
if they're putting this level of

630
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:06,030
essentially saying we're

631
00:42:06,030 --> 00:42:09,930
Ukraine, and Ukraine, this

632
00:42:09,930 --> 00:42:13,680
it. And I think they're

633
00:42:13,710 --> 00:42:18,180
these green targets and these

634
00:42:18,180 --> 00:42:22,170
these transformations go this

635
00:42:22,170 --> 00:42:25,410
of the Green Growth Initiative,

636
00:42:25,410 --> 00:42:27,750
they're talking about

637
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:31,260
infrastructure. So they're

638
00:42:31,260 --> 00:42:35,100
infrastructure basics, like

639
00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:38,220
they actually talk in the one of

640
00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:42,540
about building a digital green

641
00:42:42,540 --> 00:42:46,830
become a model for the world as

642
00:42:47,100 --> 00:42:50,310
And there, again, we're seeing

643
00:42:50,310 --> 00:42:53,640
together. At the same time, I

644
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,880
very much that we're going to do

645
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,530
digital transformation at the

646
00:43:01,530 --> 00:43:05,040
an expert in terms of what

647
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,820
you look into it a little bit

648
00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:12,030
that they're positing, they're

649
00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:15,420
to build, you know, it leverages

650
00:43:15,420 --> 00:43:19,170
intelligence, and the internet

651
00:43:19,170 --> 00:43:22,560
actually use the word Internet

652
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:27,210
digital green grid is, I guess,

653
00:43:27,210 --> 00:43:31,020
production, energy construction

654
00:43:31,020 --> 00:43:35,850
reduce waste, or maxify maximize

655
00:43:35,850 --> 00:43:39,930
pushing forward these very

656
00:43:39,930 --> 00:43:43,560
think a lot of the population

657
00:43:43,770 --> 00:43:47,520
The idea that you're going to

658
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,920
infrastructure, okay, I guess

659
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,430
destroyed by the war. But

660
00:43:53,460 --> 00:43:57,330
to put forth these technologies.

661
00:43:57,330 --> 00:44:01,710
transformations in ways again,

662
00:44:01,710 --> 00:44:06,450
over and again, I think in all

663
00:44:06,450 --> 00:44:10,260
really just being used as a

664
00:44:10,260 --> 00:44:13,680
population both in Ukraine and

665
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,710
going on. You know, you want to

666
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:20,460
right? So you're going to agree

667
00:44:20,460 --> 00:44:24,420
desire to transform society, but

668
00:44:24,420 --> 00:44:28,740
society into the one they want,

669
00:44:28,740 --> 00:44:33,390
general population. So in short,

670
00:44:33,390 --> 00:44:37,980
initiatives, they are

671
00:44:38,010 --> 00:44:41,610
I mean, it's very upsetting to

672
00:44:41,610 --> 00:44:45,960
essentially being told we need

673
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,930
meet these targets. We're not

674
00:44:48,930 --> 00:44:52,110
opinion is, and the Ukrainians

675
00:44:52,110 --> 00:44:55,500
asked. So yes, they are using

676
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:58,590
able to accelerate their goals

677
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,040
So you know, it's seems to

678
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,900
not just in Ukraine, but

679
00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:06,660
billionaires you've mentioned,

680
00:45:06,660 --> 00:45:10,710
example, he was a UN special

681
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:14,820
former Goldman Sachs and central

682
00:45:14,820 --> 00:45:19,020
climate finance stuff. For the

683
00:45:19,020 --> 00:45:22,710
digital green grid being built

684
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:25,830
funds with billionaire money,

685
00:45:25,830 --> 00:45:29,220
the owners of that grid, and are

686
00:45:29,220 --> 00:45:32,520
investment from it. And this is

687
00:45:32,670 --> 00:45:34,950
But if you look at people like

688
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:37,740
also in the space through a

689
00:45:37,740 --> 00:45:42,210
ventures, and things like that.

690
00:45:42,210 --> 00:45:44,580
several years that his whole

691
00:45:44,580 --> 00:45:48,300
philanthropy is about maximizing

692
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:51,810
essentially, what's been done

693
00:45:51,810 --> 00:45:55,530
largely because of PR, is that

694
00:45:55,530 --> 00:45:59,130
of what philanthropy means, in

695
00:45:59,130 --> 00:46:03,030
most people continue associating

696
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:07,800
has led us to this current point

697
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,470
these billionaires, what they're

698
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:13,860
like a digital green grid, and

699
00:46:13,860 --> 00:46:18,030
framed, again as altruistic,

700
00:46:18,210 --> 00:46:21,210
But there's not really that much

701
00:46:21,210 --> 00:46:27,150
that green, and other people,

702
00:46:27,150 --> 00:46:29,760
people like Cory Morningstar,

703
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,090
in your piece, have made it very

704
00:46:33,630 --> 00:46:37,650
particular power generation

705
00:46:37,650 --> 00:46:41,370
invest in, requires a lot of

706
00:46:41,370 --> 00:46:44,190
going to totally decimate the

707
00:46:44,190 --> 00:46:48,930
Andes, in South America and much

708
00:46:48,930 --> 00:46:51,450
familiar with how that mining

709
00:46:51,450 --> 00:46:53,730
treated and the environmental

710
00:46:53,730 --> 00:47:00,330
definitely green, really, at

711
00:47:00,330 --> 00:47:05,130
sort of green benefit definitely

712
00:47:05,130 --> 00:47:08,400
the enormous environmental and

713
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,540
the mines actually exist. So,

714
00:47:12,540 --> 00:47:17,130
this as more PR speak to sort

715
00:47:17,130 --> 00:47:19,860
that what they want to do was

716
00:47:19,860 --> 00:47:23,430
digital economy. But by adding

717
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:28,080
sort of tie in the Sustainable

718
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,720
like I mentioned earlier, the UN

719
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:34,770
framing, completion and

720
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,130
moving into this completely

721
00:47:38,130 --> 00:47:40,680
one of the reasons they're so

722
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,370
energy and stuff like that is

723
00:47:44,370 --> 00:47:47,580
of these elites want to follow

724
00:47:47,580 --> 00:47:51,780
which is all about, essentially,

725
00:47:51,780 --> 00:47:54,600
paradigm where it's not really

726
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,160
and how much energy you spend.

727
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,250
Digital Green, you know, a

728
00:48:02,250 --> 00:48:04,800
completely different type, it

729
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:09,480
trying to remake it is those so

730
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,830
is using what amount of energy

731
00:48:13,830 --> 00:48:17,160
And of course, a lot of it

732
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,650
managed by artificial

733
00:48:19,650 --> 00:48:22,980
nature. Whereas technocracy in

734
00:48:22,980 --> 00:48:26,790
the 30s. And developing in the

735
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:30,390
technology wasn't at the same

736
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:33,810
what they theorized about is a

737
00:48:33,810 --> 00:48:35,910
implemented being implemented

738
00:48:35,940 --> 00:48:38,850
ultimately, you know, there's a

739
00:48:38,850 --> 00:48:41,370
also, when you're talking about

740
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,550
economies and development,

741
00:48:44,550 --> 00:48:50,130
to include things like natural

742
00:48:50,130 --> 00:48:53,400
markets, and all of the stuff

743
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,870
markets that are based around

744
00:48:57,870 --> 00:49:00,540
necessarily protect the natural

745
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,560
poised to make a lot of powerful

746
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:10,110
SDGs roll out. So, you know, I

747
00:49:10,110 --> 00:49:12,750
stuff, particularly some of the

748
00:49:12,750 --> 00:49:16,110
relates to quote unquote, green

749
00:49:16,110 --> 00:49:20,850
falling under the same under the

750
00:49:20,850 --> 00:49:24,450
will likely also tie in with

751
00:49:24,450 --> 00:49:26,910
going on in Ukraine that you

752
00:49:27,210 --> 00:49:30,600
the buying up of farmland and

753
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,020
course, inevitably be tied into

754
00:49:34,020 --> 00:49:36,690
know, in your piece, a lot of

755
00:49:36,690 --> 00:49:40,200
farmland are kind of onboard for

756
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:41,880
unquote, green transformation.

757
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:48,300
Yeah, yeah. And I think I

758
00:49:48,300 --> 00:49:52,200
of this is that I'm

759
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:57,720
any of it. And I think it's all

760
00:49:57,720 --> 00:50:00,870
happening in a perfect way in

761
00:50:00,870 --> 00:50:03,390
they have us in a state of

762
00:50:03,390 --> 00:50:07,200
have had Ukrainians in a state

763
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,440
this in the piece, but I'll have

764
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,730
been doing some looking into

765
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:19,980
to be green and actually a

766
00:50:19,980 --> 00:50:23,820
Ukraine had hosted some kind of

767
00:50:23,820 --> 00:50:27,600
discussing carbon markets, for

768
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,600
active talk about a lot of the

769
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,090
described, even though they

770
00:50:33,090 --> 00:50:37,380
final piece. It's everywhere.

771
00:50:37,380 --> 00:50:41,880
they are very interested in

772
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,720
Ukraine and green economic or

773
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:50,790
future. You know, and it all

774
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:52,620
don't know how to word it. I

775
00:50:52,620 --> 00:50:56,190
to use this flowery language to

776
00:50:56,190 --> 00:51:01,680
out. But the idea that any of

777
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:06,990
just a big lie. And I think it's

778
00:51:06,990 --> 00:51:12,060
of like, the buying out of of

779
00:51:12,450 --> 00:51:16,920
I would not say I was shocked by

780
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:21,330
for the course. What's going on

781
00:51:21,330 --> 00:51:25,950
surprising, again, is that, you

782
00:51:25,980 --> 00:51:30,930
major financial groups like

783
00:51:30,930 --> 00:51:36,240
holding. There's, there's a

784
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:38,610
agri businesses that have also

785
00:51:38,610 --> 00:51:41,970
farmlands. What's interesting

786
00:51:41,970 --> 00:51:46,440
these groups I just discussed

787
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,170
European Bank for

788
00:51:49,170 --> 00:51:52,260
and development, and the

789
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,830
Investment Bank, the

790
00:51:55,830 --> 00:51:59,040
Corporation, which is an arm of

791
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,310
a situation where like,

792
00:52:02,310 --> 00:52:06,240
Ukrainian farmlands, but in

793
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:09,630
agribusinesses are actually

794
00:52:09,630 --> 00:52:13,260
financial institutions. And I

795
00:52:13,260 --> 00:52:18,870
here, or an important note is

796
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:22,260
Oakland Institute had published

797
00:52:22,260 --> 00:52:27,180
actually note that a large lot

798
00:52:27,210 --> 00:52:31,080
up Ukraine's farmlands are

799
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,740
Institute, world financial

800
00:52:34,740 --> 00:52:37,560
indebted to like the World Bank

801
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:42,150
Development. The IFC, or the

802
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:45,810
Corporation, which is an arm of

803
00:52:45,810 --> 00:52:49,200
essentially seeing a situation

804
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,640
Ukrainian farmland, but the

805
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,850
businesses buying up the

806
00:52:56,850 --> 00:53:01,350
world's major financial groups.

807
00:53:01,350 --> 00:53:05,580
Oakland Institute posits that,

808
00:53:05,580 --> 00:53:10,140
institutions have a major say,

809
00:53:10,140 --> 00:53:14,580
happens to the farmlands. So

810
00:53:14,580 --> 00:53:19,800
we're seeing the world's largest

811
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:24,600
world's power elite, just

812
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:29,070
can think of, to get a stake in

813
00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:32,550
Ukraine's reconstruction is the

814
00:53:32,550 --> 00:53:38,580
would like, I don't think it

815
00:53:38,580 --> 00:53:41,370
know that reconstruction that

816
00:53:41,370 --> 00:53:45,060
reconstruction that is about

817
00:53:45,060 --> 00:53:46,650
they would like to create.

818
00:53:47,490 --> 00:53:50,910
Yeah, well, it seems like,

819
00:53:50,910 --> 00:53:55,140
actors using the the crisis, you

820
00:53:55,140 --> 00:53:57,510
rebuild it this way, I think

821
00:53:58,620 --> 00:54:02,280
whatever crises, you know, in

822
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:06,690
similar fashion, to rebuild, to

823
00:54:06,690 --> 00:54:09,990
just and inclusive. I mean, it

824
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:14,730
make any crisis, you know, fit

825
00:54:14,730 --> 00:54:18,600
at the at the end of the day. So

826
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,540
here, a lot of the policies

827
00:54:21,540 --> 00:54:26,250
Ukraine, including CBDCs, and

828
00:54:26,820 --> 00:54:29,640
They're not just they're also

829
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,120
Ukraine is fighting as part of

830
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,730
are your thoughts about, you

831
00:54:35,730 --> 00:54:40,620
locked in this? This prolonged

832
00:54:40,620 --> 00:54:44,760
policies are sort of being

833
00:54:46,140 --> 00:54:49,890
Sure. I mean, I think this

834
00:54:49,890 --> 00:54:53,580
about a long time and it's

835
00:54:53,580 --> 00:54:57,180
I will agree completely with

836
00:54:57,180 --> 00:55:01,290
what I would have to say today

837
00:55:01,290 --> 00:55:04,830
seem there are some gems, there

838
00:55:04,830 --> 00:55:08,100
the world's most powerful

839
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:11,370
is a war going on. But it

840
00:55:11,370 --> 00:55:17,700
overall reality where these

841
00:55:17,700 --> 00:55:21,000
the great reset initiatives than

842
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,660
more in agreement, ultimately,

843
00:55:24,660 --> 00:55:30,030
the fact that we have this major

844
00:55:30,030 --> 00:55:35,370
the way I see this conflict. And

845
00:55:35,370 --> 00:55:40,110
Economic Forum has technically

846
00:55:40,110 --> 00:55:42,090
don't know, its events, I don't

847
00:55:42,090 --> 00:55:45,720
World Economic Forum. But that

848
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:48,300
Russia, at the end of the day,

849
00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:53,730
going on. I know, they're

850
00:55:53,730 --> 00:55:57,630
know also, I think we can also

851
00:55:57,630 --> 00:56:02,220
was more or less on board with a

852
00:56:02,580 --> 00:56:06,060
It was on board more or less

853
00:56:06,060 --> 00:56:09,720
and mandates that were on going.

854
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:15,150
situation where we can, in my

855
00:56:15,150 --> 00:56:19,110
there are genuine hostilities

856
00:56:19,110 --> 00:56:22,950
doesn't change the fact that

857
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:26,220
or they've been forced to agree

858
00:56:26,220 --> 00:56:29,730
mean, the sovereignty of many

859
00:56:29,730 --> 00:56:33,840
this point. I personally have

860
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:39,300
necessarily know what the mood

861
00:56:39,300 --> 00:56:45,840
but also the genuine the general

862
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:50,400
initiatives are coming from the

863
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,240
sure, I'm not in a position to

864
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:59,730
meaningfully resist this. Maybe

865
00:56:59,730 --> 00:57:02,910
They're just like individuals

866
00:57:02,910 --> 00:57:07,890
countries. But for me, when I

867
00:57:07,890 --> 00:57:11,640
understanding of the conflict or

868
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,370
being a proxy, where where there

869
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:19,140
geopolitical tensions does not

870
00:57:19,170 --> 00:57:24,060
towards a technocracy or this

871
00:57:24,060 --> 00:57:24,960
capitalism.

872
00:57:25,380 --> 00:57:29,160
Well, what concerns me is

873
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,940
of its allies, and BRICS, and,

874
00:57:32,940 --> 00:57:37,170
has some have called it are very

875
00:57:37,170 --> 00:57:41,340
2030. And the Sustainable

876
00:57:41,340 --> 00:57:45,180
we've talked about, you know,

877
00:57:45,660 --> 00:57:49,620
policies that are under

878
00:57:49,620 --> 00:57:53,670
about Ukraine specifically. And,

879
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:58,200
some of the actual, you know,

880
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,500
these groups is about whether it

881
00:58:01,530 --> 00:58:05,970
this agenda 2030 paradigm,

882
00:58:05,970 --> 00:58:10,380
dominated by the unipolar, so

883
00:58:10,380 --> 00:58:13,860
West, the Anglo American

884
00:58:13,860 --> 00:58:17,730
it will be more dominated by,

885
00:58:17,730 --> 00:58:21,510
but a more like multipolar

886
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:24,600
necessary, you know, at the end

887
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,570
development goals and agenda

888
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:31,500
technocracy in a nutshell, when

889
00:58:31,500 --> 00:58:35,400
who's building it, why so many

890
00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:39,180
why they're pushing to digital

891
00:58:39,180 --> 00:58:42,660
under the guise of it being

892
00:58:42,660 --> 00:58:46,440
same thing as sustainable. And

893
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:50,130
it seems to me, at least

894
00:58:50,130 --> 00:58:53,520
going, you know, you know, who's

895
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:59,280
the, how power will be divided

896
00:58:59,340 --> 00:59:03,660
Right. As opposed to really

897
00:59:03,660 --> 00:59:08,520
the technocracy itself, right.

898
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:12,810
obviously a really complicated

899
00:59:12,810 --> 00:59:15,780
there's a lot of questions being

900
00:59:15,780 --> 00:59:18,810
about the nature of the Ukraine,

901
00:59:18,810 --> 00:59:20,760
on because, you know, it was a

902
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:24,030
people thought it was going to

903
00:59:24,030 --> 00:59:28,020
Russia's military is, is so

904
00:59:28,020 --> 00:59:30,450
know, quote, unquote, special

905
00:59:30,450 --> 00:59:32,640
described, a lot of people

906
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,940
and people are puzzled why it's

907
00:59:35,940 --> 00:59:38,730
have the statements from the

908
00:59:38,730 --> 00:59:42,780
he's been essentially denied

909
00:59:42,780 --> 00:59:45,750
by the Russian military. I mean,

910
00:59:46,410 --> 00:59:49,440
going on. And I honestly don't

911
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,410
make sense of at all at this

912
00:59:52,410 --> 00:59:55,560
just so many data points and so

913
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,730
that you have, you know, Ukraine

914
00:59:59,730 --> 01:00:04,260
them so committed to agenda 2030

915
01:00:04,260 --> 01:00:08,460
Russia and China and Brazil and,

916
01:00:08,460 --> 01:00:11,970
being similarly being so

917
01:00:11,970 --> 01:00:14,640
know, there seems to be again, a

918
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:18,030
move forward, just not so much

919
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:21,630
You know, that's just my

920
01:00:21,630 --> 01:00:23,130
want to add anything to that?

921
01:00:23,790 --> 01:00:27,450
Um, yeah, I guess the only

922
01:00:27,450 --> 01:00:31,110
that maybe a couple of things

923
01:00:31,110 --> 01:00:35,070
kind of changed or challenged my

924
01:00:35,070 --> 01:00:39,030
couple years, essentially,

925
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:43,350
really don't see the BRICS bloc

926
01:00:43,350 --> 01:00:47,580
in fundamental ways, or

927
01:00:47,580 --> 01:00:50,940
same thing had happened during

928
01:00:50,940 --> 01:00:54,900
these policies were so top down,

929
01:00:54,900 --> 01:00:58,410
which country you're in,

930
01:00:58,410 --> 01:01:03,030
went pretty universally towards

931
01:01:03,060 --> 01:01:07,470
that BRICS can offer as an

932
01:01:07,470 --> 01:01:10,830
challenge to the unit party,

933
01:01:10,830 --> 01:01:14,880
describe it. To be honest, I am

934
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:20,310
as time goes on. Because I don't

935
01:01:20,310 --> 01:01:25,200
main initiatives that are, are

936
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:29,880
know, they are also developing

937
01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:35,310
you know, they're quite happy

938
01:01:35,310 --> 01:01:39,180
that I personally have a lot of

939
01:01:39,180 --> 01:01:43,200
what I consider dignified life

940
01:01:43,590 --> 01:01:46,950
you know, this is what I'd like,

941
01:01:46,980 --> 01:01:50,370
And I think a lot of people that

942
01:01:50,370 --> 01:01:55,320
team, they either downplay the

943
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,910
these measures imply or they

944
01:01:59,910 --> 01:02:03,870
thing. And so I am increasingly

945
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,800
personally, I should say, but

946
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:13,140
situation. I didn't even know

947
01:02:13,140 --> 01:02:15,810
group actually, I didn't know

948
01:02:15,810 --> 01:02:19,800
learn just now. So that's kind

949
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:24,300
other quick point I'd like to

950
01:02:24,300 --> 01:02:27,630
know if it's surprising or not.

951
01:02:27,630 --> 01:02:30,540
was doing research for this

952
01:02:30,540 --> 01:02:35,370
through so much media, where

953
01:02:35,370 --> 01:02:40,470
are being discussed. And

954
01:02:40,470 --> 01:02:44,160
prospects for victory, if they

955
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:48,420
class, if you can call it that.

956
01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:54,300
They seem very obstinate about

957
01:02:54,300 --> 01:02:57,930
no matter what. And I don't know

958
01:02:57,930 --> 01:03:00,750
or not. But it's really starting

959
01:03:00,750 --> 01:03:04,170
saying that, because if I look

960
01:03:04,170 --> 01:03:07,830
just seems that this is going to

961
01:03:07,830 --> 01:03:13,560
necessarily see a clear victim

962
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,620
so it just really freaks me out

963
01:03:16,620 --> 01:03:20,940
juxtaposition of, you know, a

964
01:03:20,940 --> 01:03:24,900
take a very long time,

965
01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:29,580
loss of life. And then this just

966
01:03:29,580 --> 01:03:33,180
that Ukraine will definitively

967
01:03:33,180 --> 01:03:36,330
definitely winning right now. It

968
01:03:36,330 --> 01:03:39,660
no, if there's anything to be

969
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:43,110
I think that's probably a

970
01:03:43,110 --> 01:03:45,300
ultimately, at the end of the

971
01:03:45,300 --> 01:03:48,150
know exactly what's happening at

972
01:03:48,150 --> 01:03:52,140
what's important, and what I

973
01:03:52,350 --> 01:03:55,200
keeping an open mind as these

974
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,230
because like you, you know, I

975
01:03:58,350 --> 01:04:01,440
views on on this particular

976
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:05,160
when I, you know, before COVID,

977
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,410
press, and all of that, and was

978
01:04:07,410 --> 01:04:10,590
reporting about US Empire, and,

979
01:04:10,590 --> 01:04:15,300
industrial complex and proxy

980
01:04:15,300 --> 01:04:18,150
you know, over time, especially

981
01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:21,390
puzzling, like, why are they

982
01:04:21,390 --> 01:04:24,000
on the same team and all of this

983
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,760
opposed are they do a lot of

984
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,360
my opinion, tyrannical measures

985
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,510
really confusing time, but, you

986
01:04:33,780 --> 01:04:36,870
as journalists is to keep an

987
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:42,120
facts and try and, you know,

988
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:45,930
and invite our, you know, our

989
01:04:45,930 --> 01:04:49,440
know, critical questions and

990
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,740
know, the information as it

991
01:04:52,740 --> 01:04:56,730
developments as we're moving

992
01:04:56,730 --> 01:05:00,000
unprecedented times, because it

993
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,660
People, in particularly

994
01:05:03,660 --> 01:05:06,960
sort of locked in to some of

995
01:05:07,020 --> 01:05:11,850
geopolitical understanding, in a

996
01:05:11,850 --> 01:05:14,430
understand why that might be.

997
01:05:14,430 --> 01:05:17,010
know, maybe more familiar for a

998
01:05:17,010 --> 01:05:19,950
sense of things. But that

999
01:05:19,950 --> 01:05:23,370
what the facts on the ground are

1000
01:05:23,370 --> 01:05:26,010
So, you know, it's always

1001
01:05:26,010 --> 01:05:29,670
and be willing to sort of

1002
01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:34,500
and views about geopolitics and

1003
01:05:34,500 --> 01:05:38,310
know, because, man, I mean, a

1004
01:05:38,310 --> 01:05:41,130
past few years, I don't think

1005
01:05:41,130 --> 01:05:45,300
but it certainly has given us a

1006
01:05:45,300 --> 01:05:48,090
with. And if your ultimate goal

1007
01:05:48,090 --> 01:05:52,650
matter. You know, I mean, we

1008
01:05:52,650 --> 01:05:57,180
and reassess the end of the

1009
01:05:57,510 --> 01:05:59,250
becomes available to us, right?

1010
01:05:59,550 --> 01:06:03,270
Yeah, definitely. And I

1011
01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:06,690
COVID was personally a, it was a

1012
01:06:06,690 --> 01:06:10,320
I know I fell for it for a few

1013
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,140
word it. Yeah, I fell for a

1014
01:06:13,140 --> 01:06:17,850
when I realized the damage that

1015
01:06:17,850 --> 01:06:20,910
and realizing that a lot of

1016
01:06:20,910 --> 01:06:25,680
ignoring the dangers of these

1017
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:29,340
kind of forced me to ask

1018
01:06:29,340 --> 01:06:33,480
doing this at the same time? And

1019
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,660
agree more than they disagree,

1020
01:06:36,660 --> 01:06:41,460
disagree, that's a big deal. And

1021
01:06:41,460 --> 01:06:45,780
very open to that I really tried

1022
01:06:45,780 --> 01:06:50,760
understand that I was I

1023
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:54,750
think it's very critical. The

1024
01:06:54,750 --> 01:06:58,500
what will happen. I mean, it

1025
01:06:58,500 --> 01:07:01,560
kind of a go for the great

1026
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:06,210
of a go for this big transition

1027
01:07:06,210 --> 01:07:09,360
it's such a, it's such a

1028
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:13,920
that I think we can do is be

1029
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:18,630
conclusions about what any one

1030
01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:21,600
be trying to be Yeah, just try

1031
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,960
what I've been trying to do in

1032
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:30,720
to be honest about that. I want

1033
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:33,690
these countries agree more than

1034
01:07:33,690 --> 01:07:37,290
that actually mean for our

1035
01:07:37,290 --> 01:07:38,160
agree with you.

1036
01:07:38,580 --> 01:07:40,140
All right. Well, that's

1037
01:07:40,140 --> 01:07:43,680
it. So thanks so much for coming

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01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:47,640
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