1 00:00:19,530 --> 00:00:21,360 Hey. And welcome to 2 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,840 host. Whitney Webb, Donald Trump 3 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,840 and since then, drastic changes 4 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,290 effort to reorder the US 5 00:00:31,290 --> 00:00:34,200 Trump supporters are related, 6 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,510 that corruption and fraud are 7 00:00:36,510 --> 00:00:39,210 quote, unquote Deep State is 8 00:00:39,210 --> 00:00:42,300 eyes, while a dismantling of 9 00:00:42,300 --> 00:00:45,630 more controversial than others, 10 00:00:45,630 --> 00:00:48,240 the cheerleaders are taking the 11 00:00:48,270 --> 00:00:51,570 erected in its place, and if it 12 00:00:51,570 --> 00:00:55,170 something better than the 13 00:00:55,170 --> 00:00:57,990 reason for this disinterest, 14 00:00:57,990 --> 00:01:00,840 status of many in the big tech 15 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,620 demolition of old structures and 16 00:01:04,620 --> 00:01:07,650 click, often referred to as the 17 00:01:07,650 --> 00:01:10,920 crafted a public image of 18 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,010 exceptions, and through their 19 00:01:14,010 --> 00:01:17,640 called independent media, have 20 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,030 among many long time and also 21 00:01:21,030 --> 00:01:24,330 calling these former PayPal 22 00:01:24,330 --> 00:01:28,410 elites behind this carefully 23 00:01:28,410 --> 00:01:32,070 different, however, from CIA 24 00:01:32,070 --> 00:01:34,950 expanding their role at the core 25 00:01:35,190 --> 00:01:37,920 to the PayPal mafia's long 26 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,010 quote, unquote, new world 27 00:01:41,010 --> 00:01:44,280 policies that once recently 28 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,340 now be implemented by this 29 00:01:47,340 --> 00:01:50,250 cloaked themselves in free 30 00:01:50,250 --> 00:01:53,430 rhetoric to explore this 31 00:01:53,430 --> 00:01:56,790 podcast is beginning its first 32 00:01:56,790 --> 00:02:00,360 presidency to explore the way in 33 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,420 molding government policy, as 34 00:02:03,420 --> 00:02:07,380 overlooked ambitions of its 35 00:02:07,380 --> 00:02:09,570 installment, we will look at 36 00:02:09,570 --> 00:02:12,930 healthcare and biotechnology. 37 00:02:12,930 --> 00:02:16,020 embraced the quote, unquote, 38 00:02:16,020 --> 00:02:19,920 MAHA movement, which initially 39 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:22,980 experimental biotech products 40 00:02:23,220 --> 00:02:25,710 as well as a desire to extricate 41 00:02:25,710 --> 00:02:28,710 regulation from the 42 00:02:28,710 --> 00:02:31,860 it appears that MAHA de facto 43 00:02:31,860 --> 00:02:34,680 slated to become of HHS, the 44 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,220 Services, the Department is 45 00:02:38,220 --> 00:02:41,910 experimental products via 46 00:02:41,910 --> 00:02:45,210 surveillance regimes that would 47 00:02:45,390 --> 00:02:49,710 and to expand Palantir's Already 48 00:02:49,710 --> 00:02:53,580 with HHS joining me to discuss 49 00:02:53,580 --> 00:02:56,100 was written and co-written 50 00:02:56,100 --> 00:02:59,310 investigations covering these 51 00:02:59,310 --> 00:03:01,890 contributing to Unlimited 52 00:03:01,890 --> 00:03:05,160 Chris Hedges, the Chris Hedges 53 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,340 Video Producer for sheer Post, 54 00:03:08,340 --> 00:03:11,310 Max, and welcome to Unlimited 55 00:03:11,310 --> 00:03:15,420 Whitney, well, it is my 56 00:03:15,420 --> 00:03:19,230 start up this discussion talking 57 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,580 how it was an important part of 58 00:03:23,580 --> 00:03:28,320 you know, that's the perception 59 00:03:28,350 --> 00:03:31,440 initially stated goals that 60 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,830 that movement have gradually 61 00:03:34,830 --> 00:03:39,840 Kennedy endorsement of Trump 62 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:44,070 noted earlier, a lot of the 63 00:03:44,070 --> 00:03:48,120 taking big pharma, the 64 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,700 government, healthcare 65 00:03:50,700 --> 00:03:54,030 revolving door, which was a big 66 00:03:54,030 --> 00:03:56,730 campaign, and some of his work 67 00:03:56,730 --> 00:04:02,220 he voiced extensively on his 68 00:04:02,250 --> 00:04:06,420 COVID era policies that 69 00:04:06,420 --> 00:04:09,810 run operation warp speed 70 00:04:09,810 --> 00:04:14,280 first Trump administration. And 71 00:04:14,340 --> 00:04:19,020 products, the namely the mRNA 72 00:04:19,020 --> 00:04:22,770 downstream of Operation warp 73 00:04:22,770 --> 00:04:25,500 obviously a source of great 74 00:04:25,500 --> 00:04:30,330 in this particular movement. But 75 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,740 ambitions, at least if you're 76 00:04:34,740 --> 00:04:37,110 in this movement are saying, 77 00:04:37,110 --> 00:04:39,030 noticed that as well? Yeah, 78 00:04:39,030 --> 00:04:41,700 definitely. Because it's 79 00:04:41,700 --> 00:04:44,670 think that there's been this 80 00:04:44,670 --> 00:04:48,000 the liberal side of the spectrum 81 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,000 wing nut job, even though he's a 82 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,870 there's this, I mean, I guess a 83 00:04:54,870 --> 00:04:57,660 right, or conservatives that 84 00:04:57,660 --> 00:05:01,170 policy really were drawn to him. 85 00:05:01,170 --> 00:05:03,720 I think he made in the book that 86 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,590 lot of it, which was very valid. 87 00:05:07,590 --> 00:05:12,810 actual initial agenda that was 88 00:05:12,810 --> 00:05:16,230 America healthy again, it was 89 00:05:16,290 --> 00:05:20,070 liberal promise to use 90 00:05:20,070 --> 00:05:24,180 influence of big pharma and big 91 00:05:24,180 --> 00:05:28,830 things that and in a pretty 92 00:05:29,010 --> 00:05:32,670 in previous election cycles, if 93 00:05:32,790 --> 00:05:38,520 traditional like Democratic 94 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,660 associated with conservatives 95 00:05:42,690 --> 00:05:45,390 liberals would probably support 96 00:05:45,420 --> 00:05:48,930 wanted to do, aside from the 97 00:05:49,260 --> 00:05:52,020 making the clinical trials for 98 00:05:52,020 --> 00:05:56,880 things like stopping advertising 99 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,880 something that's like pretty 100 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,840 Democratic Party constituency, I 101 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:06,990 politics kind of brain rots 102 00:06:07,020 --> 00:06:11,400 weird distortion with RFK. And 103 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,210 agenda was built on this kind of 104 00:06:15,210 --> 00:06:18,480 to curb the influence of these 105 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:23,340 shift, and that kind of grew out 106 00:06:23,340 --> 00:06:25,710 out of the shuttering of his 107 00:06:25,710 --> 00:06:29,700 with Trump and RFK. Endorsement 108 00:06:29,700 --> 00:06:33,120 pretty important, because the 109 00:06:33,150 --> 00:06:37,290 realized this time around that 110 00:06:37,290 --> 00:06:39,450 was what was going to give them 111 00:06:39,450 --> 00:06:41,310 Democrats, which were very much 112 00:06:41,310 --> 00:06:45,270 establishment, and RFK kind of 113 00:06:45,540 --> 00:06:52,080 populism through his association 114 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,200 mean, just like recently with 115 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,430 to really back away from these 116 00:06:59,430 --> 00:07:03,600 regulatory power to do things 117 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:08,250 of clinical trials on vaccines 118 00:07:08,250 --> 00:07:12,990 vaccine mandates. And like just 119 00:07:12,990 --> 00:07:15,360 York Times the other day that 120 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:21,570 move forward in his confirmation 121 00:07:21,570 --> 00:07:25,110 endorsement of Senator Bill 122 00:07:25,110 --> 00:07:29,550 ties to Big Pharma and vaccine 123 00:07:29,550 --> 00:07:32,070 way, the way that he secured 124 00:07:32,070 --> 00:07:34,770 the Times, was by extracting a 125 00:07:34,770 --> 00:07:40,110 Kennedy. Cassidy did. And 126 00:07:40,140 --> 00:07:42,060 from pharma and healthcare 127 00:07:42,060 --> 00:07:43,860 largest contributor was, 128 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,380 Ochsner health system. If I 129 00:07:46,380 --> 00:07:50,970 pronounce it, but it's spelled 130 00:07:50,970 --> 00:07:53,520 they actually, during the 131 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,040 costs for their employees with 132 00:07:56,040 --> 00:08:00,540 pandemic. And r k allegedly 133 00:08:00,540 --> 00:08:02,970 he was going to give Congress 134 00:08:02,970 --> 00:08:06,540 might make in vaccine policy, so 135 00:08:06,540 --> 00:08:10,080 RFK made, which you can which 136 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:14,040 audience, really show RFK 137 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,090 agenda that I think really 138 00:08:18,090 --> 00:08:21,210 those COVID era dissidents, 139 00:08:21,210 --> 00:08:23,910 that actually initiated a lot of 140 00:08:23,910 --> 00:08:27,390 speed, yeah. So I think, you 141 00:08:27,750 --> 00:08:30,930 devil's advocates out there that 142 00:08:30,930 --> 00:08:33,660 say these things in front of the 143 00:08:33,660 --> 00:08:37,920 confirmed. But sort of that 144 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,010 obtaining political power, it 145 00:08:41,010 --> 00:08:45,870 can't really know if that's true 146 00:08:46,260 --> 00:08:48,630 you know, the viewpoints he 147 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:53,430 it's certainly possible that he 148 00:08:53,670 --> 00:08:57,690 policies stated there. Obviously 149 00:08:57,690 --> 00:08:59,910 resistance if he were to pursue 150 00:08:59,910 --> 00:09:03,270 when he was on the campaign 151 00:09:03,270 --> 00:09:06,390 it remains to be seen, I think, 152 00:09:06,390 --> 00:09:08,730 Secretary. But I think there 153 00:09:08,730 --> 00:09:12,870 statements even before and 154 00:09:12,870 --> 00:09:17,130 confirmation hearing. So one of 155 00:09:17,130 --> 00:09:21,870 article that's from January 14, 156 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,860 and it's entitled Trump team 157 00:09:25,860 --> 00:09:30,240 vaccine aides. And essentially 158 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,530 close to both Trump and Kennedy, 159 00:09:34,530 --> 00:09:39,180 dumping a lot of his people 160 00:09:39,180 --> 00:09:43,410 to serve as AIDS if he were 161 00:09:43,410 --> 00:09:46,560 affiliations with, from 162 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:51,930 example, in favor of, well, it 163 00:09:51,990 --> 00:09:55,920 his staff, actually. So one of 164 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,910 staff is Heather flick, who was 165 00:09:59,910 --> 00:10:04,110 Previously involved with Alex 166 00:10:04,620 --> 00:10:08,220 Trump's first term. And you 167 00:10:08,220 --> 00:10:11,580 first declared COVID a health 168 00:10:11,580 --> 00:10:15,810 the creation and implementation 169 00:10:15,810 --> 00:10:21,720 Biden came into office. And so 170 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:26,010 article that basically, and I'm 171 00:10:26,010 --> 00:10:28,620 essentially said something to 172 00:10:28,620 --> 00:10:35,580 not pursue changes to vaccine 173 00:10:35,580 --> 00:10:39,870 going to focus on wins and food 174 00:10:39,870 --> 00:10:43,380 interesting that that report 175 00:10:43,380 --> 00:10:48,810 the months prior to that, sort 176 00:10:48,810 --> 00:10:51,690 figures. Now, influential 177 00:10:51,690 --> 00:10:55,140 of nowhere after the Kennedy 178 00:10:55,140 --> 00:10:59,640 mean siblings Callie and Casey 179 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,660 lot of this, the stuff about 180 00:11:03,660 --> 00:11:07,500 chronic disease epidemic, as 181 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:12,390 I agree with the nomenclature 182 00:11:12,390 --> 00:11:16,680 much entirely due to big food 183 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:21,180 things in big food. I don't 184 00:11:21,180 --> 00:11:23,910 and the food supply were 185 00:11:23,910 --> 00:11:27,150 addressed meaningfully by the 186 00:11:27,150 --> 00:11:31,590 focused on the unhealthy 187 00:11:31,590 --> 00:11:35,700 of this promotion of things like 188 00:11:36,270 --> 00:11:40,680 which you know is, is fine 189 00:11:40,680 --> 00:11:44,910 criticizing, you know, those 190 00:11:44,910 --> 00:11:49,950 an effort to engineer a more 191 00:11:49,980 --> 00:11:53,280 it's easier to secure those 192 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,060 movement, and sort of act like 193 00:11:57,060 --> 00:12:00,870 coalition were fulfilled, while 194 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,370 removing industry influence from 195 00:12:05,610 --> 00:12:09,090 and anything that would have to 196 00:12:09,090 --> 00:12:11,820 products off the market or 197 00:12:11,820 --> 00:12:13,590 on the market, right? 198 00:12:13,590 --> 00:12:15,930 And another thing that I 199 00:12:15,930 --> 00:12:20,520 article was that they described 200 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,920 officials. So I don't know 201 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,670 is, but I wouldn't be surprised 202 00:12:26,670 --> 00:12:31,110 fit based on the money and 203 00:12:31,110 --> 00:12:33,510 associated with the Trump 204 00:12:33,510 --> 00:12:35,790 acting as the sort of, this is 205 00:12:35,790 --> 00:12:39,090 guys, eyes and ears within the 206 00:12:39,090 --> 00:12:42,420 important liaison and 207 00:12:42,420 --> 00:12:45,870 chief of staff, they kind of lay 208 00:12:45,870 --> 00:12:48,300 implies that there is this 209 00:12:48,300 --> 00:12:52,050 camp to basically subvert 210 00:12:52,050 --> 00:12:55,320 guess you could say, and it 211 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,100 exactly. And that makes you know 212 00:12:59,100 --> 00:13:02,940 lot of people that are, you 213 00:13:02,940 --> 00:13:05,940 or MAGA influencers that kind of 214 00:13:05,940 --> 00:13:09,990 stuff. But when you look at the 215 00:13:09,990 --> 00:13:12,420 heavily affiliated with Trump, 216 00:13:12,420 --> 00:13:14,910 for example, example, the most 217 00:13:14,910 --> 00:13:18,750 Peter Thiel, who, you know was, 218 00:13:18,750 --> 00:13:21,990 responsible for the rise of JD 219 00:13:22,110 --> 00:13:25,980 and also started his private 220 00:13:25,980 --> 00:13:32,370 capital. And I mean, Peter Thiel 221 00:13:32,370 --> 00:13:34,770 currently the largest 222 00:13:34,770 --> 00:13:38,910 Palantir right now has a 223 00:13:38,940 --> 00:13:43,590 multiple contracts with HHS and 224 00:13:43,590 --> 00:13:48,390 of this HHS, to basically build 225 00:13:48,390 --> 00:13:51,450 infrastructure across across the 226 00:13:51,450 --> 00:13:54,690 from the local level to the 227 00:13:54,690 --> 00:13:57,840 of bio data to constantly 228 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:02,070 outbreak Forecast, to then allow 229 00:14:02,070 --> 00:14:05,970 provide curated policy for 230 00:14:06,180 --> 00:14:10,350 outbreak potential or outbreak 231 00:14:10,350 --> 00:14:14,490 obviously, like something like 232 00:14:14,490 --> 00:14:18,960 with these mRNA, the procurement 233 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:23,790 products, as we saw during COVID 234 00:14:23,850 --> 00:14:26,550 initially in the last American 235 00:14:26,550 --> 00:14:29,370 Oracle were according to, I 236 00:14:29,370 --> 00:14:31,860 speed heads. I don't know if 237 00:14:31,860 --> 00:14:32,550 contracts were ever 238 00:14:32,550 --> 00:14:35,670 officially, Slaouil, who was 239 00:14:35,670 --> 00:14:38,760 speed, said it, yeah, that 240 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,930 contracts to follow recipients 241 00:14:42,930 --> 00:14:45,270 for up to two years, right? 242 00:14:45,510 --> 00:14:49,230 Yeah. So, so um, 243 00:14:49,230 --> 00:14:54,270 parcel to uh, Emergency, 244 00:14:54,300 --> 00:14:58,680 development and distribution of 245 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,370 like, right there? You have a 246 00:15:02,370 --> 00:15:06,030 key guys associated with Trump 247 00:15:06,030 --> 00:15:09,630 this industry existing in the 248 00:15:09,630 --> 00:15:13,710 note of that, it actually makes 249 00:15:13,710 --> 00:15:18,120 Kennedy. And this, this 250 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,360 order to secure the position to, 251 00:15:21,450 --> 00:15:26,130 from his initial policy agenda. 252 00:15:26,130 --> 00:15:26,790 sense. 253 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,650 Yeah, well, I think there's 254 00:15:30,650 --> 00:15:34,520 sort of dynamic, some good cop, 255 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,120 terms of public perception with 256 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,200 considering, as we covered 257 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:48,350 appointment to be the deputy to 258 00:15:48,350 --> 00:15:51,410 Jim O'Neill, who was a long time 259 00:15:51,410 --> 00:15:55,430 founder. Used to run the Thiel 260 00:15:55,430 --> 00:15:59,630 fellowship with Peter Thiel 261 00:15:59,630 --> 00:16:03,530 also Clarium capital, which is 262 00:16:03,530 --> 00:16:09,050 at Mithril, he was JD Vance's 263 00:16:09,050 --> 00:16:12,260 significant investments in 264 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:18,410 were made so Jim O'Neill. And as 265 00:16:18,410 --> 00:16:22,670 this, for all the nitty gritty 266 00:16:22,670 --> 00:16:26,540 arguing for quite some time for 267 00:16:26,540 --> 00:16:31,370 testing of products at, I guess 268 00:16:31,370 --> 00:16:33,860 actually floated to be FDA head 269 00:16:33,860 --> 00:16:37,040 administration, and was 270 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:42,740 that role. I can't remember if 271 00:16:42,740 --> 00:16:47,030 Andreessen Horowitz partner that 272 00:16:48,290 --> 00:16:51,170 He was also pitched to be head 273 00:16:51,170 --> 00:16:53,480 controversial, and then they 274 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,900 Gottlieb, who became kind of 275 00:16:56,900 --> 00:17:00,230 for his revolving door 276 00:17:00,230 --> 00:17:02,900 also the CIA linked company 277 00:17:02,900 --> 00:17:07,910 manufacturing for this, a lot of 278 00:17:07,910 --> 00:17:11,390 resilience, I think previously 279 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:16,310 that I reported on some few 280 00:17:16,310 --> 00:17:21,290 O'Neill, by eliminating efficacy 281 00:17:21,290 --> 00:17:24,890 these products getting on the 282 00:17:24,890 --> 00:17:28,100 past reporting and reporting of 283 00:17:28,670 --> 00:17:31,160 mRNA products, and what was even 284 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:37,370 COVID 19 event. Basically, you 285 00:17:37,370 --> 00:17:41,240 not effective, or toxic and 286 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,170 slider where you either get one 287 00:17:45,170 --> 00:17:48,890 of course, very difficult for 288 00:17:48,890 --> 00:17:52,490 regulatory paradigm at the FDA. 289 00:17:52,490 --> 00:17:56,420 ago, a lot of what was the 290 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,410 publicly expressed, of the of 291 00:18:00,410 --> 00:18:06,950 more stringent clinical testing 292 00:18:06,950 --> 00:18:10,610 products. Because, of course, a 293 00:18:10,790 --> 00:18:14,360 what happened during COVID 19 is 294 00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:17,720 deregulatory paradigm was used 295 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,230 biotech onto the market and onto 296 00:18:21,230 --> 00:18:24,290 people that took it became 297 00:18:24,290 --> 00:18:28,760 you can, when you consider that, 298 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:33,170 know, Pfizer's bio in tech, but 299 00:18:33,170 --> 00:18:36,200 anything on the market, because 300 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,530 animal trials, you know, all of 301 00:18:39,530 --> 00:18:40,640 market and they're, 302 00:18:40,730 --> 00:18:43,640 well, yeah, like, like 303 00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:49,130 moderna in need of a Hail Mary 304 00:18:49,130 --> 00:18:51,800 from a lot of the same problems 305 00:18:51,980 --> 00:18:58,580 that the companies that O'Neill 306 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:02,450 I think, I think Personally as 307 00:19:02,450 --> 00:19:05,420 like, they can't even get 308 00:19:05,420 --> 00:19:08,270 trials sometimes because of 309 00:19:08,270 --> 00:19:10,700 like, some of these companies 310 00:19:10,850 --> 00:19:14,540 existed for like, over a decade, 311 00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:17,900 brought to market, just like 312 00:19:17,900 --> 00:19:19,640 pandemic, and they were, yeah, 313 00:19:20,060 --> 00:19:22,130 and so some of these 314 00:19:22,130 --> 00:19:26,660 like, 15 years or a lot longer, 315 00:19:26,660 --> 00:19:29,900 able to get anything on the 316 00:19:29,900 --> 00:19:33,200 way to get it on the market thus 317 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,520 COVID 19 vaccines because of, 318 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,730 authorization. I would 319 00:19:40,940 --> 00:19:44,810 in this case, but it's really 320 00:19:44,810 --> 00:19:47,690 to go on the market. Obviously, 321 00:19:47,690 --> 00:19:50,480 livestock. You know, there's 322 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,060 products already being with the 323 00:19:53,060 --> 00:19:56,150 cases where it does get through 324 00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:59,570 vaccines, but I have a feeling 325 00:19:59,750 --> 00:20:05,090 Testing is a lot less stringent 326 00:20:05,780 --> 00:20:09,740 don't know Well, I'm kind of I 327 00:20:09,740 --> 00:20:13,550 whole ending efficacy testing 328 00:20:13,550 --> 00:20:18,260 it's being framed as a way to 329 00:20:18,260 --> 00:20:22,220 bureaucratic red tape and to 330 00:20:22,250 --> 00:20:25,190 innovation. And these are, you 331 00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:31,370 Republican talking points here. 332 00:20:31,370 --> 00:20:34,910 during COVID 19 was a removal, 333 00:20:34,910 --> 00:20:40,700 bureaucratic red tape, and it 334 00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:46,010 pharmaceutical industry, or wing 335 00:20:46,010 --> 00:20:49,970 have no liability for these 336 00:20:49,970 --> 00:20:54,140 them used massively and to reap 337 00:20:54,140 --> 00:20:56,510 of course, now that's been 338 00:20:56,510 --> 00:20:59,720 would share in those profits. 339 00:21:00,290 --> 00:21:02,990 in the press conference 340 00:21:02,990 --> 00:21:07,490 US sovereign wealth fund, 341 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,720 buying equity and and these 342 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,170 that when you know COVID 19 343 00:21:15,170 --> 00:21:20,240 abroad, the US government, you 344 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,560 incentive, which is pretty 345 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:30,050 administration plans to go with 346 00:21:30,050 --> 00:21:33,410 of the controversial statements 347 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,970 at the Stargate press press 348 00:21:37,970 --> 00:21:40,880 in the White House about this 349 00:21:41,180 --> 00:21:47,240 personalized mRNA vaccines for 350 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,510 mRNA companies that got, you 351 00:21:50,510 --> 00:21:53,270 independent media during COVID, 352 00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:57,110 on cancer specifically for a 353 00:21:57,350 --> 00:22:00,680 basically charge more because 354 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,820 vaccine for each person. There's 355 00:22:04,820 --> 00:22:08,630 arguably one of the reasons that 356 00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:12,920 health DARPA agency, which he 357 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,970 lot of it was framed around this 358 00:22:16,970 --> 00:22:21,440 promoted on day one of the Trump 359 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,240 telling, and importantly, ARPA-H 360 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,870 was, as you noted in your 361 00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:29,360 approached to the Trump 362 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:35,720 tool, and a lot of I don't think 363 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,170 transitioned to a predictive 364 00:22:39,170 --> 00:22:43,100 they changed the data sources 365 00:22:43,100 --> 00:22:45,590 this program for pre health 366 00:22:46,370 --> 00:22:49,040 the architect, I mean, one 367 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,340 it is this guy named Bob Wright, 368 00:22:52,340 --> 00:22:55,520 Universal, and he's a good 369 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,610 the, you know, the the network 370 00:22:58,610 --> 00:23:03,260 apprentice, but it was the main 371 00:23:03,260 --> 00:23:06,380 Wright to design the program as 372 00:23:06,380 --> 00:23:09,470 Ling, who was basically running 373 00:23:09,470 --> 00:23:13,520 biotech stuff at DARPA. Because 374 00:23:13,910 --> 00:23:16,970 technology came out of DARPA 375 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:22,370 under the Obama administration 376 00:23:22,370 --> 00:23:25,130 know, the head of the director 377 00:23:25,130 --> 00:23:29,540 investments in mRNA were made, 378 00:23:29,540 --> 00:23:33,170 has since become head of the 379 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,550 equivalent, called Welcome leap, 380 00:23:37,550 --> 00:23:42,920 ago. So, you know, it's, it's 381 00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:48,530 set to expand in the US under 382 00:23:48,530 --> 00:23:53,150 because a lot of the same 383 00:23:53,150 --> 00:23:56,120 during COVID, and I think were 384 00:23:56,330 --> 00:23:59,420 whether that's the Wellcome 385 00:23:59,420 --> 00:24:03,200 and Melinda Gates Foundation are 386 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,550 it as necessary to expand, you 387 00:24:07,550 --> 00:24:11,240 health, and you know, the health 388 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,450 Goals, which I've argued, you 389 00:24:14,450 --> 00:24:17,570 really about creating new 390 00:24:17,570 --> 00:24:21,230 policy to impose those markets 391 00:24:21,230 --> 00:24:23,900 actual demand for the products 392 00:24:23,900 --> 00:24:29,870 making, and that kind of, you 393 00:24:29,870 --> 00:24:32,480 similar to what ends up 394 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,270 ultimately, you know, maybe the 395 00:24:35,270 --> 00:24:38,690 the way it's being marketed is 396 00:24:38,690 --> 00:24:42,260 under Trump. But ultimately, 397 00:24:42,260 --> 00:24:45,470 type of experimental 398 00:24:45,470 --> 00:24:47,900 market, and it's used to be 399 00:24:47,900 --> 00:24:50,750 definitely something that we can 400 00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:53,840 unfortunately. And I think 401 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,290 addition to sort of these quote, 402 00:24:57,290 --> 00:25:00,890 actually going to be running the 403 00:25:00,890 --> 00:25:03,500 he's nominally the head, but 404 00:25:03,500 --> 00:25:06,680 Staff, decides who gets access 405 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,870 what he does as HHS Secretary, 406 00:25:11,870 --> 00:25:14,780 being basically the person who 407 00:25:14,780 --> 00:25:17,720 and oversees the FDA and all 408 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,190 behalf, there is a lot of room 409 00:25:22,190 --> 00:25:25,850 Kennedy was intent on 410 00:25:25,850 --> 00:25:29,750 HHS. And as you noted earlier, 411 00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:32,450 is the case, but I don't want to 412 00:25:32,450 --> 00:25:38,540 possibility. But you know, I'm 413 00:25:38,540 --> 00:25:41,150 prospects at the moment, but I 414 00:25:41,150 --> 00:25:45,170 know for a fact what his plans 415 00:25:45,170 --> 00:25:48,200 sort of points to this, in 416 00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:51,230 the Larry Ellison statements, 417 00:25:51,230 --> 00:25:55,790 guy who's slated to be head of 418 00:25:55,790 --> 00:26:00,290 Makary, or Martin Makary, who's 419 00:26:00,290 --> 00:26:05,000 believe, and he became a pretty 420 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,720 on promoted a lot to Trump's 421 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,140 announced to be FDA head, going 422 00:26:12,140 --> 00:26:14,780 think he even has his own 423 00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:19,190 frequent guest on a lot of 424 00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:22,190 sort of talking about, using a 425 00:26:22,190 --> 00:26:26,270 about, you know, chronic health 426 00:26:26,300 --> 00:26:29,600 it's his tech, his stance on 427 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,170 been overlooked by a lot of 428 00:26:33,170 --> 00:26:37,520 America healthy again movement. 429 00:26:37,850 --> 00:26:43,100 clearly portrayed, not just by 430 00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:47,060 reactions to his appointment as 431 00:26:47,060 --> 00:26:52,550 boost in stocks for biotech that 432 00:26:52,550 --> 00:26:55,100 So of course, you know, there 433 00:26:55,100 --> 00:27:00,380 time like a you know, Kennedy's 434 00:27:00,380 --> 00:27:04,640 confirmed, there's a dip in 435 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,840 seems to be true for Marty 436 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,740 considered, is considered very 437 00:27:12,740 --> 00:27:16,730 by the people that run that 438 00:27:16,730 --> 00:27:19,160 point that some have said they 439 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:24,680 appointment, which I think is 440 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,660 article, his statements during 441 00:27:30,350 --> 00:27:35,150 with it taking multiple weeks 442 00:27:35,150 --> 00:27:39,410 approved under the emergency use 443 00:27:39,410 --> 00:27:42,920 it should have happened in less 444 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,980 of, you know, combined with how 445 00:27:45,980 --> 00:27:49,160 that that COVID stance under 446 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,820 paradigm, it seems like he'd be 447 00:27:53,180 --> 00:27:56,270 that people like Jim O'Neill 448 00:27:56,270 --> 00:28:00,350 it explicit earlier, and I 449 00:28:00,350 --> 00:28:04,910 O'Neill's interest in 450 00:28:04,910 --> 00:28:08,780 necessarily to eliminate all 451 00:28:08,780 --> 00:28:11,270 thinks that data collection 452 00:28:11,270 --> 00:28:15,320 take the drug, and she should be 453 00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:19,160 And as we note in the article, 454 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,780 he cites as sort of his, I guess 455 00:28:23,780 --> 00:28:27,530 developing this view, who argue 456 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,790 a variety of means and have a 457 00:28:31,790 --> 00:28:34,250 know if you'd be interested in 458 00:28:34,250 --> 00:28:37,910 for sure. And just one other 459 00:28:37,910 --> 00:28:40,580 into this stuff about Richard 460 00:28:40,580 --> 00:28:44,270 talking about, one of the people 461 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,640 I mean, not, he doesn't say 462 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:51,050 inspiration, but he talks about 463 00:28:51,050 --> 00:28:53,660 work, and thinks they're doing 464 00:28:53,810 --> 00:29:01,040 basically deregulation and but 465 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,840 himself in that talk that where 466 00:29:05,870 --> 00:29:09,380 well, it was notorious. Seems 467 00:29:09,380 --> 00:29:11,660 least in the mainstream media, 468 00:29:11,660 --> 00:29:16,070 tests. He's actually been 469 00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:21,530 paradigm since his time at HHS, 470 00:29:21,530 --> 00:29:25,670 Mike Leavitt, where he was 471 00:29:25,670 --> 00:29:30,440 to the centers of power that 472 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,220 huge step, a significant step 473 00:29:34,220 --> 00:29:37,010 paradigm. And you talked about 474 00:29:37,010 --> 00:29:40,370 basically manufacturing 475 00:29:40,370 --> 00:29:44,180 markets that no one really 476 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,910 well, I don't, I don't want to 477 00:29:46,910 --> 00:29:49,460 he played, but he was certainly 478 00:29:49,460 --> 00:29:54,320 centers of power, the at the HHS 479 00:29:54,380 --> 00:30:00,020 BARDA pass, the project 480 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:06,140 Implemented, or created the 481 00:30:06,140 --> 00:30:11,270 to them purchasing all of these 482 00:30:11,270 --> 00:30:15,920 in the article, which kind of 483 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,100 think, as you noted, quadruple 484 00:30:19,130 --> 00:30:19,670 before. 485 00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:23,870 Well, so BARDA basically 486 00:30:23,870 --> 00:30:28,940 Big Pharma, any sort of you 487 00:30:28,940 --> 00:30:31,940 manufactured the threat is. And 488 00:30:31,940 --> 00:30:34,880 mostly manufactured by people 489 00:30:35,210 --> 00:30:38,750 post COVID 19, like Neil 490 00:30:38,750 --> 00:30:42,050 of London, a lot of his modeling 491 00:30:42,050 --> 00:30:45,980 doomsday statistics about what a 492 00:30:45,980 --> 00:30:52,100 would be like, you know, between 493 00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:55,190 know, he was fresh off the 494 00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:58,790 helped use similar doomsday 495 00:30:58,790 --> 00:31:03,410 credibility as a part of the 496 00:31:03,410 --> 00:31:06,740 disease outbreak, which led to 497 00:31:06,740 --> 00:31:09,770 insane amount of livestock in 498 00:31:09,770 --> 00:31:14,120 impacted their farming industry. 499 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,420 we learned during COVID 19, it's 500 00:31:18,170 --> 00:31:22,460 fear, using statistics and using 501 00:31:22,460 --> 00:31:26,060 events of real in the absence of 502 00:31:26,060 --> 00:31:31,100 same. And by doing so, you know, 503 00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:35,030 Congress can express outrage, 504 00:31:35,030 --> 00:31:39,260 concern, Congress responds, and 505 00:31:39,260 --> 00:31:44,150 stockpiles of medication, often 506 00:31:44,150 --> 00:31:48,470 pharmaceutical companies, of 507 00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:54,200 respond to this doomsday event 508 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:59,090 stockpile, you know, was 509 00:31:59,090 --> 00:32:03,200 anthrax attacks we need it was 510 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,890 response to that before project 511 00:32:06,890 --> 00:32:11,780 Congress, this idea that there's 512 00:32:11,780 --> 00:32:13,610 mean, that was back, you know, 513 00:32:13,610 --> 00:32:16,490 Terror era. So that's initially 514 00:32:16,490 --> 00:32:20,210 eventually, you know, moved the 515 00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:25,220 pandemic, and needing to sort of 516 00:32:25,220 --> 00:32:28,880 since then has sort of been to 517 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,810 threats, and has often been 518 00:32:33,140 --> 00:32:37,970 to basically boost companies of, 519 00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:41,960 like emergent bio solutions, who 520 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,690 was never properly tested and 521 00:32:44,690 --> 00:32:48,620 linked to Gulf War Syndrome, 522 00:32:48,620 --> 00:32:53,420 actually being given to military 523 00:32:53,420 --> 00:32:56,930 label way to the point where 524 00:32:56,930 --> 00:33:00,920 stop giving it to people until, 525 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,770 Hauer came in and saved the day. 526 00:33:03,770 --> 00:33:05,750 another time, but if you're 527 00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:11,840 about him and weird things about 528 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,720 years old series called 529 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:20,180 those attacks and how a lot of 530 00:33:20,420 --> 00:33:23,330 the people that created that 531 00:33:23,330 --> 00:33:26,720 people that led early COVID 532 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,540 for example, who was Assistant 533 00:33:29,540 --> 00:33:33,230 Response under the first Trump 534 00:33:33,230 --> 00:33:36,890 project bioshield, develop the 535 00:33:36,890 --> 00:33:39,890 to the click that I argue in my 536 00:33:39,890 --> 00:33:44,120 2001 anthrax attacks. There's no 537 00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:51,320 Anyway, getting a little off 538 00:33:51,650 --> 00:33:56,300 it was basically a way to create 539 00:33:56,300 --> 00:34:03,500 manufacture fear for the purpose 540 00:34:03,770 --> 00:34:07,610 for products people don't need 541 00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:10,700 so. And also, at the same time, 542 00:34:10,700 --> 00:34:13,940 way, because fear is also 543 00:34:13,940 --> 00:34:17,270 people's civil liberties. So 544 00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:21,020 surrender bodily autonomy in one 545 00:34:21,020 --> 00:34:24,740 liberties, as many of them acts 546 00:34:24,740 --> 00:34:28,160 the national security state. And 547 00:34:28,460 --> 00:34:34,100 years after, you know, bioshield 548 00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:38,060 revealing and how, that's how 549 00:34:38,420 --> 00:34:41,000 you know, Jim O'Neill's 550 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,060 worth pointing out. And as we 551 00:34:44,060 --> 00:34:47,420 main speech writer for Tommy 552 00:34:47,420 --> 00:34:51,050 lot of this fear mongering about 553 00:34:51,050 --> 00:34:56,510 project bio shield was being 554 00:34:56,510 --> 00:34:59,930 know, notes in his own CV that 555 00:34:59,930 --> 00:35:03,500 Academic response and writing 556 00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:08,390 which in this case refers to the 557 00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:13,250 subsequently went on to lead, 558 00:35:13,250 --> 00:35:16,010 type of role he'll be having now 559 00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:20,780 top tier HHS executive level 560 00:35:20,780 --> 00:35:25,850 definitely had a lot of clout 561 00:35:25,850 --> 00:35:29,750 administration's HHS, and it 562 00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:33,800 deregulatory vision that was, 563 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,370 Bush era is likely to make a 564 00:35:37,370 --> 00:35:40,250 RFK as the public face of the 565 00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:44,660 notably by his own, you 566 00:35:44,660 --> 00:35:48,050 interested in this deregulation 567 00:35:48,050 --> 00:35:50,600 entire, from the beginning of 568 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,730 least. And he was there helping 569 00:35:55,730 --> 00:35:57,980 helping this legislation get 570 00:35:57,980 --> 00:36:01,970 teams of Tommy Thompson and Mike 571 00:36:01,970 --> 00:36:05,120 brags about, in that same talk, 572 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,840 eliminate efficacy tests, how he 573 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:14,480 starting to regulate this one 574 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:19,040 and, and one thing that the 575 00:36:19,070 --> 00:36:21,680 talked about that a couple years 576 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,220 where he advocated eliminating 577 00:36:25,220 --> 00:36:27,770 didn't mention was that he then 578 00:36:27,770 --> 00:36:30,500 this guy named Richard Barker, 579 00:36:30,530 --> 00:36:36,200 CASMI, and his model of adaptive 580 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,320 Barker's model is worth noting 581 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:44,360 what O'Neill wants to do, and 582 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,900 deregulatory slash surveillance 583 00:36:47,900 --> 00:36:50,330 quick. I just want to note 584 00:36:50,330 --> 00:36:53,930 housed at Oxford. I believe 585 00:36:54,020 --> 00:36:57,500 CASMI, I believe, is the Center 586 00:36:57,500 --> 00:37:02,300 medical innovation, if I'm not 587 00:37:02,300 --> 00:37:05,930 tell you a lot, if you're 588 00:37:06,290 --> 00:37:12,050 like something that Barker 589 00:37:12,050 --> 00:37:15,530 problem, I guess, in drug 590 00:37:15,590 --> 00:37:18,770 and he says it's so severe that 591 00:37:18,770 --> 00:37:20,990 current way we do drug 592 00:37:21,020 --> 00:37:24,980 And this issue is that those 593 00:37:25,010 --> 00:37:27,380 so, you know, in my opinion, at 594 00:37:27,380 --> 00:37:29,720 drug development should work, 595 00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:33,560 in theory, in the best form of 596 00:37:33,590 --> 00:37:35,810 not be concerned with the 597 00:37:35,810 --> 00:37:37,940 they're creating, and instead 598 00:37:37,940 --> 00:37:42,410 know, things like, is it does it 599 00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:45,770 lives or treat people's 600 00:37:45,770 --> 00:37:49,880 that they actually need to, that 601 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,630 commercial side, and that they 602 00:37:53,630 --> 00:37:58,100 pharma and the people that are 603 00:37:58,130 --> 00:38:00,950 of those drugs need to be 604 00:38:00,950 --> 00:38:04,970 development process further, and 605 00:38:04,970 --> 00:38:10,070 via the collection of value 606 00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:16,370 this should happen via the 607 00:38:16,370 --> 00:38:19,670 massive amount of real world 608 00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:23,210 accumulated outside of clinical 609 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:25,550 through electronic health 610 00:38:25,550 --> 00:38:33,170 watch, your phone, wearables, 611 00:38:33,170 --> 00:38:36,620 again, like, this is important 612 00:38:36,620 --> 00:38:41,600 MAHA movement, because RMK Jr's 613 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,810 mean, at least the agenda that 614 00:38:44,810 --> 00:38:48,470 campaign trail is like the exact 615 00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:53,000 Barker, says. And, you know, so, 616 00:38:53,060 --> 00:38:55,550 from Barker himself. He says 617 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,030 value in the design of climate 618 00:38:59,030 --> 00:39:02,300 early crafting phase involving 619 00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:05,240 and patient associations, so as 620 00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:12,710 clinical and value data and and 621 00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:19,400 being a way to solve the problem 622 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,610 initial market value of their 623 00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:28,040 instead allow companies to 624 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,900 of their drug by through these 625 00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:37,100 then use that data to basically 626 00:39:37,100 --> 00:39:40,670 the drug over time. AKA, 627 00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:45,770 prices of drugs as they exist as 628 00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:50,690 market longer by using this, 629 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:55,340 you know, for anyone listening, 630 00:39:55,370 --> 00:40:00,680 devices and your labor, whatever 631 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:06,920 basically, so like you know, 632 00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:12,230 for Big Pharma to directly 633 00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:19,070 people to cultivate capital and 634 00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:24,770 them getting nothing in return. 635 00:40:24,770 --> 00:40:29,360 even further, where he believes 636 00:40:30,410 --> 00:40:33,260 patient populations should be 637 00:40:33,260 --> 00:40:39,410 basically allow pharma to 638 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:40,520 of creating drugs. 639 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,170 Do you think that could be 640 00:40:45,260 --> 00:40:49,430 Pharma to, like, charge 641 00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:53,120 drug on different populations? 642 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,610 more effective in one ethnic 643 00:40:55,610 --> 00:40:58,370 charge that ethnic group more 644 00:40:58,370 --> 00:41:01,790 ethnic group. Like, is that a 645 00:41:01,820 --> 00:41:04,520 segmented population idea? Yeah, 646 00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:06,320 I mean, I would think so 647 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,160 Higdon, this scholar from, I 648 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,430 but he wrote this book about 649 00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:17,120 where he basically studied this 650 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,390 capital industry, whatever you 651 00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:24,470 basically said that every time 652 00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:27,650 he came across these promises, 653 00:41:27,650 --> 00:41:30,470 where, you know, because 654 00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:35,540 people are going to hear this 655 00:41:35,540 --> 00:41:38,390 get to, you know, use my data, 656 00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:42,170 because it's developed for me or 657 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:49,160 people like me. But, I mean, he 658 00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:54,410 case that it's used to exploit 659 00:41:54,410 --> 00:41:59,120 jack up prices and cut costs, 660 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,120 surprised if that's a 661 00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:06,410 I mean, one thing that he said 662 00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:10,460 likely that these, this real 663 00:42:10,460 --> 00:42:13,340 insurance companies, for 664 00:42:13,340 --> 00:42:17,810 premiums based on certain 665 00:42:17,810 --> 00:42:21,440 your wearables or your other 666 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,940 he said, for example, like, oh, 667 00:42:25,940 --> 00:42:28,850 five hours a night, and that 668 00:42:28,850 --> 00:42:33,890 to get this disease or this 669 00:42:33,890 --> 00:42:36,260 taking care of yourself. So we 670 00:42:36,260 --> 00:42:38,540 look at the subjective data that 671 00:42:38,540 --> 00:42:42,110 not taking care of yourself. Why 672 00:42:42,110 --> 00:42:43,400 definitely think that's 673 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:47,840 Well, that's gonna be fun 674 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,890 companies. They're really gonna 675 00:42:51,890 --> 00:42:55,520 spawning like an army of Luigi 676 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,200 Yeah. And if O'Neill, you 677 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,920 Barker's model, they'll even be 678 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,370 process, right? And I'm sure 679 00:43:07,370 --> 00:43:10,040 they may already be too involved 680 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,980 now they'll just be even more 681 00:43:12,980 --> 00:43:20,930 for them. And you know, in 682 00:43:21,050 --> 00:43:26,600 we can have this outcome focused 683 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,680 mentioned. And basically he says 684 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,640 currently. So, you know, we got 685 00:43:34,820 --> 00:43:38,780 and then, kind of like, hope 686 00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:42,620 I think an example of that might 687 00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:47,480 They had this drug and it seemed 688 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,020 so much demand for it, and then 689 00:43:51,020 --> 00:43:55,520 artificial demand by instilling 690 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,960 selling this pitch about bird 691 00:43:59,990 --> 00:44:02,060 basically, this predictive 692 00:44:02,060 --> 00:44:06,110 would allow quote products to be 693 00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:10,610 patient segments. And then he 694 00:44:11,090 --> 00:44:14,630 we can also use this data that 695 00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:18,830 focus on behavioral factors, so 696 00:44:18,830 --> 00:44:22,430 want to cultivate this data for 697 00:44:22,430 --> 00:44:25,670 development purposes, they also 698 00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:29,480 behavioral modification, because 699 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,240 to focus on the behavioral 700 00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:34,880 either as accelerators or 701 00:44:35,210 --> 00:44:38,990 that sounds so much like the 702 00:44:38,990 --> 00:44:43,460 modification and nudging and all 703 00:44:43,460 --> 00:44:47,450 hesitancy, but I guess now it'll 704 00:44:47,450 --> 00:44:48,380 hesitancy. 705 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,890 Yeah, yeah. And the thing 706 00:44:51,890 --> 00:44:55,550 voters are, I mean, everyone, 707 00:44:55,610 --> 00:45:00,530 may be optimistic about having 708 00:45:00,530 --> 00:45:05,150 some rhetoric about this stuff 709 00:45:06,020 --> 00:45:09,080 they should be very wary of 710 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:14,000 they're actively studying ways 711 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,200 accept these products. And you 712 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,320 be to collect evidence as to how 713 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,720 exercise is complex. It's there 714 00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:26,000 different behavioral contexts 715 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,500 which, which highlights the 716 00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:35,540 planning to collect on, on, on 717 00:45:35,540 --> 00:45:42,020 specifically. And, you know, I 718 00:45:42,020 --> 00:45:47,510 concept of utilizing the data, 719 00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:51,920 basically manipulate human 720 00:45:51,980 --> 00:45:55,010 populations is like straight out 721 00:45:55,010 --> 00:45:58,490 mean, yeah, Phil bean 722 00:45:58,490 --> 00:46:03,440 about how the entire DARPA tech 723 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,110 counterinsurgency program from 724 00:46:06,110 --> 00:46:10,400 that just being repurposed for 725 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,490 and the fact that a lot of this 726 00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:16,310 has dual use purposes. So like, 727 00:46:16,310 --> 00:46:18,260 they're collecting on you via 728 00:46:18,260 --> 00:46:21,110 health could also presumably be 729 00:46:21,110 --> 00:46:23,030 to shoot up a school or 730 00:46:23,210 --> 00:46:25,550 yeah, because they'll just 731 00:46:25,550 --> 00:46:26,150 exactly. 732 00:46:26,180 --> 00:46:27,950 Because, I mean, I mean, 733 00:46:27,950 --> 00:46:29,120 someone does something like 734 00:46:29,660 --> 00:46:32,840 just wait till the Neuralink 735 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,860 is not secretly thinking about 736 00:46:36,860 --> 00:46:39,800 happen. I say that with a joke, 737 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,880 Alyssa has literally said 738 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,150 these AI nodes all across the 739 00:46:47,150 --> 00:46:51,530 constantly analyzing and getting 740 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,440 collected via all these devices, 741 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,170 lot safer, because no one's 742 00:46:57,170 --> 00:47:00,350 right? So, I mean, it's not that 743 00:47:00,350 --> 00:47:04,100 like that could happen or be 744 00:47:04,250 --> 00:47:07,070 And, yeah, so, I mean, I think 745 00:47:07,070 --> 00:47:11,930 Barker, and I think it really 746 00:47:11,930 --> 00:47:14,510 on these things. And also, like, 747 00:47:14,510 --> 00:47:17,720 because, I mean, it appears that 748 00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:22,940 exploiting RFK Jr, kind of like 749 00:47:22,970 --> 00:47:25,970 sell this stuff like so, for 750 00:47:25,970 --> 00:47:30,620 O'Neill where he's advocating 751 00:47:30,620 --> 00:47:33,050 drug development. He says, Many 752 00:47:33,050 --> 00:47:36,080 markets in health care. We don't 753 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,570 perverse incentives and opaque 754 00:47:38,570 --> 00:47:41,120 expensive and less efficient 755 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,650 care are usually paid by volume, 756 00:47:45,650 --> 00:47:49,190 for outcomes. And then he says 757 00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:52,880 opting of the RFK make America 758 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,550 says, and government makes 759 00:47:55,550 --> 00:47:59,270 subsidizing unhealthy food and 760 00:47:59,270 --> 00:48:02,000 to families who are trying their 761 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,320 there you have this deregulatory 762 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,400 with the most, I would say, the 763 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,920 initial agenda that was 764 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,530 campaign on the campaign trail, 765 00:48:15,530 --> 00:48:18,470 exploits that radical agenda and 766 00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:21,380 deregulatory paradigm, which is 767 00:48:21,380 --> 00:48:24,350 people that maybe don't stay up 768 00:48:24,350 --> 00:48:27,560 that much and don't have all the 769 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:28,040 things, or 770 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:32,900 don't follow what people 771 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,940 you know, yeah, interesting, 772 00:48:37,970 --> 00:48:43,220 of their mouth. Yeah, that's 773 00:48:43,220 --> 00:48:46,700 it's worth pointing out too, 774 00:48:46,700 --> 00:48:48,980 the discussion on O'Neill here, 775 00:48:48,980 --> 00:48:53,420 affiliation with Thiel, it's 776 00:48:53,420 --> 00:48:57,710 piece. But also, you know, for a 777 00:48:57,710 --> 00:49:00,440 after he was out of government 778 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,490 Thiel affiliated BC. He was 779 00:49:04,490 --> 00:49:09,860 Foundation, which is devoted to, 780 00:49:09,860 --> 00:49:13,490 or like age related diseases. 781 00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:16,580 one of those sort of Silicon 782 00:49:16,580 --> 00:49:21,770 foundations that aims to offer 783 00:49:22,130 --> 00:49:25,220 And, you know, a lot of big tech 784 00:49:25,220 --> 00:49:28,010 this idea of immortality. 785 00:49:28,010 --> 00:49:33,800 those is Brian Johnson, and he, 786 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,620 significant interest in 787 00:49:36,620 --> 00:49:42,470 into themselves to stay young, 788 00:49:42,500 --> 00:49:46,850 the sins Research Foundation is 789 00:49:46,850 --> 00:49:52,880 biotech, including mRNA, DNA, 790 00:49:52,910 --> 00:49:56,870 technology like that, in order 791 00:49:56,870 --> 00:50:00,830 lifespans, which is the sins 792 00:50:00,830 --> 00:50:03,800 know, really exists thanks to 793 00:50:04,100 --> 00:50:06,710 So it's no surprise that you 794 00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:10,880 with Thiel present there, like 795 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,990 who's sort of like a JD Vance 796 00:50:15,170 --> 00:50:20,900 failed political career was also 797 00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:23,930 on the Sims Research Foundation 798 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:29,600 And they're focused on a lot of 799 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:35,030 of biotech as well. And I think 800 00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:37,100 mean, people need to pay 801 00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:41,720 Silicon Valley big tech and Big 802 00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:45,980 been covering it a lot since the 803 00:50:45,980 --> 00:50:48,680 been this effort, and you 804 00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:53,210 the who and permanent pandemic 805 00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:57,860 traditional the traditional 806 00:50:57,860 --> 00:51:02,240 basically run out of steam. It's 807 00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:06,560 pharma itself. They refer to it 808 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,990 so the way they want to get 809 00:51:08,990 --> 00:51:11,660 basically related to how 810 00:51:11,660 --> 00:51:14,360 don't make as much money when 811 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,880 of that farm, that 812 00:51:17,630 --> 00:51:20,330 they've been going into biotech, 813 00:51:20,330 --> 00:51:24,920 joint ventures with big tech 814 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,820 example. And you know, a lot of 815 00:51:28,820 --> 00:51:33,500 as major in essential parts of 816 00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:37,130 national security state 817 00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:41,600 of the national security, you 818 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:46,190 apparatus. And so the idea of 819 00:51:46,190 --> 00:51:49,670 idea of selling bio surveillance 820 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,930 improve, you know, market 821 00:51:53,930 --> 00:51:56,990 and all of this stuff, I would 822 00:51:56,990 --> 00:52:00,860 way to manufacture what I think 823 00:52:00,860 --> 00:52:03,290 the final frontier of mass 824 00:52:03,290 --> 00:52:07,610 surveilling people's bodies 825 00:52:07,610 --> 00:52:11,660 through things inside the body, 826 00:52:11,660 --> 00:52:16,640 would put brain machine, brain 827 00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:20,750 Neuralink, in that category. And 828 00:52:20,750 --> 00:52:26,810 remember, too, with brain 829 00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:30,620 it ultimately comes to the FDA 830 00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:34,910 grant them breakthrough device 831 00:52:34,910 --> 00:52:38,570 of the quote, unquote, 832 00:52:38,570 --> 00:52:41,390 things. But we have, you know, 833 00:52:41,390 --> 00:52:44,810 prominent role in the government 834 00:52:44,810 --> 00:52:48,620 divest from any of his companies 835 00:52:48,620 --> 00:52:52,340 does another PayPal Mafia figure 836 00:52:52,340 --> 00:52:57,260 government employee, David Sacks 837 00:52:57,260 --> 00:52:59,660 crypto AI czar, it's very 838 00:52:59,660 --> 00:53:03,800 someone like O'Neill, who is 839 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:08,360 and healthcare, and see some of 840 00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:12,350 I would definitely encourage 841 00:53:12,350 --> 00:53:15,500 this could potentially advance, 842 00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:18,770 possibilities if they are 843 00:53:18,770 --> 00:53:22,400 data from our external 844 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:27,710 environment. There's this really 845 00:53:27,710 --> 00:53:31,430 and sort of mine all the data 846 00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:33,530 tied to the current 847 00:53:33,530 --> 00:53:36,770 creating the internet of 848 00:53:36,770 --> 00:53:41,960 tree in the Amazon rainforest to 849 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,200 trees. It's, it sounds bonkers, 850 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,720 ambitions to do that to people 851 00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:51,050 called Internet of bodies, which 852 00:53:51,050 --> 00:53:53,420 tanks like the RAND Corporation 853 00:53:53,420 --> 00:53:57,020 years. And it's really not, I 854 00:53:57,020 --> 00:54:00,020 other university like that, 855 00:54:00,020 --> 00:54:04,400 dedicated to accelerating the 856 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,910 bodies. Silicon Valley has been 857 00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:12,140 some time, and I think we could 858 00:54:12,140 --> 00:54:15,260 that come through under the 859 00:54:15,260 --> 00:54:20,060 was like, Look how cool google 860 00:54:20,060 --> 00:54:23,330 Apple helmet. And now I guess 861 00:54:23,330 --> 00:54:27,350 Ban looking ones that they think 862 00:54:27,350 --> 00:54:27,860 people. 863 00:54:28,100 --> 00:54:31,820 My friend has a parent, they 864 00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:37,130 you should break them for 865 00:54:37,130 --> 00:54:42,140 Facebook started as a DARPA 866 00:54:42,140 --> 00:54:49,280 a second and take them to the 867 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,190 little too opinionated there. 868 00:54:52,190 --> 00:54:54,440 ambition of that. And I think 869 00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,890 like Larry Ellison of Oracle, 870 00:54:57,890 --> 00:55:02,810 buy biosurveil COVID 19. Vaccine 871 00:55:02,810 --> 00:55:05,300 saying, we're going to have all 872 00:55:05,300 --> 00:55:08,510 vaccines. They're going to be 873 00:55:08,510 --> 00:55:13,070 have to do gather the testing 874 00:55:13,070 --> 00:55:16,730 them. And they may not do the 875 00:55:16,730 --> 00:55:20,750 19 with like blanket mandates, 876 00:55:20,750 --> 00:55:24,260 will be some, some other type of 877 00:55:24,260 --> 00:55:28,190 people to adopt this. Because a 878 00:55:28,190 --> 00:55:31,370 healthcare or really anything 879 00:55:31,370 --> 00:55:35,540 in reference to the SDGs, is 880 00:55:35,540 --> 00:55:38,990 will make, you know, this 881 00:55:38,990 --> 00:55:44,270 entrench their power and sort of 882 00:55:44,270 --> 00:55:50,000 feudalism in society. And I 883 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,130 know, ways they could do that, 884 00:55:52,130 --> 00:55:55,340 get people to want these 885 00:55:55,340 --> 00:55:59,480 use public policy as the 886 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:04,670 markets, essentially. So it's 887 00:56:04,670 --> 00:56:08,240 a lot of the mental gymnastics 888 00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:12,260 explain away the Stargate 889 00:56:12,290 --> 00:56:15,680 comment about buying the US 890 00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,730 COVID 19, mRNA vaccine 891 00:56:19,730 --> 00:56:23,570 things we've discussed today, 892 00:56:23,570 --> 00:56:27,920 on Jim O'Neill and his potential 893 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:32,630 these early MAHA ambitions, you 894 00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:37,040 a lot of the big influencers in 895 00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,310 honestly, you know, is kind of 896 00:56:40,310 --> 00:56:44,810 well, but also just allow a very 897 00:56:44,810 --> 00:56:48,170 Palantir, really at all. And 898 00:56:48,170 --> 00:56:50,930 company that has expanded under 899 00:56:50,930 --> 00:56:55,700 bipartisan, you know, it's the 900 00:56:55,700 --> 00:56:59,060 unquote, Deep State runs. But 901 00:56:59,060 --> 00:57:02,420 administration, or, you know, 902 00:57:02,420 --> 00:57:05,540 wants to talk about Palantir, 903 00:57:05,540 --> 00:57:10,580 how many investors in Palantir, 904 00:57:10,580 --> 00:57:13,460 know, people like Joe Lonsdale 905 00:57:14,300 --> 00:57:18,140 David Sacks is also an investor 906 00:57:18,140 --> 00:57:23,330 czar. And, of course, Peter 907 00:57:23,330 --> 00:57:27,020 Palantir has played an out. Has 908 00:57:27,020 --> 00:57:33,440 military and other you know, all 909 00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:37,700 of the US intelligence agencies 910 00:57:37,940 --> 00:57:41,240 which Kennedy was a big critics 911 00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,600 Gaza, which RFK, of course, is 912 00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,270 nevertheless, Palantir has 913 00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:51,230 They also run a lot of the data 914 00:57:51,230 --> 00:57:54,950 Health Service, and they also 915 00:57:54,980 --> 00:57:59,210 covered recently on your piece 916 00:57:59,210 --> 00:58:03,350 for forecasting and outbreak 917 00:58:03,350 --> 00:58:07,970 that's worth covering a little 918 00:58:07,970 --> 00:58:11,420 and wrap up here to talk about 919 00:58:11,420 --> 00:58:14,390 paradigm, if there's a new 920 00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:17,870 emergency, how lockdowns or any 921 00:58:17,870 --> 00:58:20,330 became infamous during COVID 922 00:58:20,330 --> 00:58:24,740 unquote, more gently, as a way 923 00:58:24,740 --> 00:58:28,460 know, there's been an 924 00:58:28,490 --> 00:58:32,780 after post COVID, when, in 925 00:58:32,780 --> 00:58:38,870 tactics that are sort of very 926 00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:44,090 scenario were really tested out 927 00:58:44,090 --> 00:58:45,650 extent. Yeah. And 928 00:58:45,650 --> 00:58:49,550 just like, I'll get into the 929 00:58:49,550 --> 00:58:53,450 forecasting and outbreak 930 00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,850 program you just mentioned, 931 00:58:55,850 --> 00:58:58,460 picture stuff. But just like, 932 00:58:58,460 --> 00:59:03,170 about nano chips, I think, and 933 00:59:03,170 --> 00:59:05,330 when I bring that up to people, 934 00:59:05,330 --> 00:59:07,400 eyes and like, it sounds 935 00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,130 at this point, but like, so just 936 00:59:10,130 --> 00:59:14,870 forecasting and outlay, outbreak 937 00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:18,110 have this thing called the 938 00:59:18,110 --> 00:59:20,870 responsible for collaborating 939 00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:24,020 sector and inter agency partners 940 00:59:24,170 --> 00:59:27,200 products, tools and enterprise 941 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:31,640 pandemic data analysis flexible, 942 00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:37,880 customers, including state, 943 00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:41,300 right now, you know, take note 944 00:59:41,300 --> 00:59:44,210 they're working with interagency 945 00:59:44,210 --> 00:59:47,210 tools and enterprise 946 00:59:47,210 --> 00:59:54,440 sharing more vast and flexible. 947 00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,710 O'Neill that that ARPA-H, that 948 00:59:57,710 --> 01:00:00,110 earlier, that was initially a 949 01:00:00,110 --> 01:00:04,190 Creating a device, or, I mean, 950 01:00:04,190 --> 01:00:08,450 different teams to develop bio 951 01:00:08,450 --> 01:00:11,840 implanted in patients through 952 01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:16,040 that's literally from the ARPA-H 953 01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,970 That's them, yeah, and one so, 954 01:00:19,970 --> 01:00:22,850 create a living Sentinel, is 955 01:00:22,850 --> 01:00:27,530 key biomarkers in the body and 956 01:00:27,530 --> 01:00:30,980 in real time. And then all of 957 01:00:30,980 --> 01:00:34,610 an implantable, living pharmacy 958 01:00:34,610 --> 01:00:37,730 molecules to the patient on 959 01:00:37,970 --> 01:00:41,000 So okay, great, yeah, right 960 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:42,680 there. You have this thing 961 01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:46,880 automatically feed you these 962 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:47,570 maybe even 963 01:00:48,350 --> 01:00:53,930 don't ask what the molecules 964 01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,370 yeah, exactly, right. And 965 01:00:58,370 --> 01:01:01,910 Because now they have this thing 966 01:01:01,940 --> 01:01:02,360 they got 967 01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,910 everyone, a lot of people's 968 01:01:04,910 --> 01:01:07,010 testing, and Palantir took all 969 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,980 right, and now they want to 970 01:01:09,980 --> 01:01:14,030 they want to create a limited 971 01:01:14,180 --> 01:01:16,250 genealogy or mine. 972 01:01:16,250 --> 01:01:19,550 People constantly for bio 973 01:01:19,550 --> 01:01:22,850 awash in data that our bodies 974 01:01:22,850 --> 01:01:26,150 new oil. So you have to tap 975 01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:30,770 for data. And the best way to 976 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,700 extract it from something that's 977 01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:37,520 you know, we're having a lot of 978 01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:42,290 bodies, the Internet of forests 979 01:01:42,290 --> 01:01:45,440 the parameters of a living thing 980 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,280 Because it's alive, it's not 981 01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,520 lot of data and have, I mean, 982 01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:56,990 your AI will become, is 983 01:01:56,990 --> 01:02:01,370 feeding on, and also the quality 984 01:02:01,370 --> 01:02:06,560 that's one of the incentives 985 01:02:07,220 --> 01:02:11,090 might sort of be ignoring brain 986 01:02:11,090 --> 01:02:15,380 risk, because there are a 987 01:02:15,380 --> 01:02:18,020 that industry from this 988 01:02:18,020 --> 01:02:21,950 mean, obviously Elon Musk is 989 01:02:21,950 --> 01:02:26,510 because of Neuralink, which has 990 01:02:26,510 --> 01:02:29,660 the amount of animals that died 991 01:02:29,660 --> 01:02:35,960 example. And if the FDA under 992 01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,050 we could see them potentially 993 01:02:39,050 --> 01:02:42,020 the next four years. Because, 994 01:02:42,020 --> 01:02:45,380 are devices that have to undergo 995 01:02:45,380 --> 01:02:47,870 on the market. But there's 996 01:02:47,870 --> 01:02:51,440 farther along than Neuralink 997 01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:55,610 Neurotech, which recently 998 01:02:55,610 --> 01:02:59,390 investment from the stablecoin 999 01:02:59,390 --> 01:03:03,710 of ties to Howard Lutnick, the 1000 01:03:03,710 --> 01:03:06,950 tether, of course, is also very 1001 01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:11,120 rumble. Of course, also tied to 1002 01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:14,990 Vance, the Vice President and 1003 01:03:14,990 --> 01:03:17,930 counsel just became the number 1004 01:03:17,930 --> 01:03:22,880 Ellis. And then they're also 1005 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,850 invested really heavily in this 1006 01:03:25,850 --> 01:03:29,000 is a satellite surveillance 1007 01:03:29,030 --> 01:03:33,140 they're building the internet of 1008 01:03:33,140 --> 01:03:35,930 purpose of turning each hectare 1009 01:03:35,930 --> 01:03:41,990 like a token that you can buy. 1010 01:03:41,990 --> 01:03:42,080 it's 1011 01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,680 true. And Satellogic is also 1012 01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,300 it's directly connected to 1013 01:03:47,300 --> 01:03:48,650 five year partnership, right? 1014 01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,710 Yes, yes, they're 1015 01:03:51,710 --> 01:03:55,910 now. And Lutnick is on the board 1016 01:03:55,910 --> 01:03:59,030 who was Treasury Secretary on 1017 01:03:59,030 --> 01:04:04,280 chairman of the board. So it's 1018 01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:09,260 like musk doing sort of the 1019 01:04:09,260 --> 01:04:12,890 brain chip play, and you have 1020 01:04:12,890 --> 01:04:15,800 that play, and they both have 1021 01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:19,430 government, and they would, you 1022 01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:21,740 that web need government 1023 01:04:21,740 --> 01:04:25,640 products on the market. I don't 1024 01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:31,160 disturbing setup for Internet of 1025 01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,140 I think there's going to be a 1026 01:04:33,140 --> 01:04:38,210 is sold to a reluctant audience, 1027 01:04:38,210 --> 01:04:42,050 think, but probably not 1028 01:04:42,050 --> 01:04:45,140 there's plenty of people on the 1029 01:04:45,140 --> 01:04:49,730 interested in this, in this 1030 01:04:49,730 --> 01:04:52,970 sort of seen people sort of in 1031 01:04:53,150 --> 01:04:57,470 say things like, mRNA is fine as 1032 01:04:57,470 --> 01:05:00,470 sort of, kind of changing the 1033 01:05:00,470 --> 01:05:05,990 little bit already, or we can't 1034 01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:08,660 the, of course, the Liberty 1035 01:05:08,660 --> 01:05:10,880 think you know, you've had, 1036 01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,930 that have tweeted very 1037 01:05:14,930 --> 01:05:18,500 releases being like, Neuralink, 1038 01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:23,780 that's very possible we could 1039 01:05:23,780 --> 01:05:27,710 don't know, I don't know exactly 1040 01:05:27,710 --> 01:05:30,920 to use that stuff, but I think 1041 01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:35,630 getting it through FDA approval 1042 01:05:35,630 --> 01:05:41,180 I mean, like, it seems like 1043 01:05:41,180 --> 01:05:43,580 know, big capital or big 1044 01:05:43,580 --> 01:05:46,160 it's the national security 1045 01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,020 these phantom enemies. I'm 1046 01:05:48,020 --> 01:05:52,040 called drug cartels do not exist 1047 01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:55,820 author's name, actually, but, 1048 01:05:55,820 --> 01:06:00,980 the the creation of a phantom 1049 01:06:00,980 --> 01:06:04,370 this ever changing thing. And, I 1050 01:06:04,610 --> 01:06:10,040 yeah, and basically the that 1051 01:06:10,190 --> 01:06:13,790 kind of everything that they 1052 01:06:13,820 --> 01:06:16,970 would normally be met with 1053 01:06:16,970 --> 01:06:21,470 kind of tends to work. I mean, 1054 01:06:21,470 --> 01:06:25,670 internet was first coming out, 1055 01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:27,980 surveillance by the military 1056 01:06:27,980 --> 01:06:32,870 was actually a lot of resistance 1057 01:06:32,900 --> 01:06:38,300 were trying to utilize 1058 01:06:38,300 --> 01:06:42,290 places to develop this stuff by 1059 01:06:42,290 --> 01:06:45,230 know, radical and anti war at 1060 01:06:45,230 --> 01:06:49,340 know, no one really cares. I was 1061 01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:54,110 center for forecasting and 1062 01:06:54,110 --> 01:06:57,980 wrote for your website for 1063 01:06:57,980 --> 01:07:01,970 know, I told them, oh, well, 1064 01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,480 there's this apparatus between 1065 01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,150 Valley, and they're trying to 1066 01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:10,580 they occur, so that they can 1067 01:07:10,580 --> 01:07:14,000 specified at certain communities 1068 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:18,830 friend said, Isn't that a good 1069 01:07:18,830 --> 01:07:21,350 sell it as a good thing. 1070 01:07:21,350 --> 01:07:24,560 go. We don't have to lock down 1071 01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:28,670 to lock down the areas that need 1072 01:07:28,670 --> 01:07:31,250 and that. And then that's 1073 01:07:31,250 --> 01:07:34,760 everyone. But specifically at 1074 01:07:35,390 --> 01:07:38,750 skeptical of the more universal 1075 01:07:38,780 --> 01:07:42,980 intervention policies during 1076 01:07:42,980 --> 01:07:45,170 more objective, and it's just 1077 01:07:45,170 --> 01:07:48,440 down, right? But, but the thing 1078 01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:50,390 important, worth noting 1079 01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:54,110 forecasting and outbreak 1080 01:07:54,110 --> 01:07:57,620 it. Basically, the Center for 1081 01:07:57,620 --> 01:08:00,920 analytics seems to be the office 1082 01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,740 out what the CDC calls its 1083 01:08:03,740 --> 01:08:07,460 they want to create this 1084 01:08:07,460 --> 01:08:10,340 sector and interagency partners, 1085 01:08:10,340 --> 01:08:15,470 analyzing and collecting bio 1086 01:08:15,470 --> 01:08:19,490 outbreaks and correspondingly 1087 01:08:19,490 --> 01:08:24,080 when they happen or may happen, 1088 01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:28,460 and out and and that strategy of 1089 01:08:28,490 --> 01:08:31,310 from the total Information 1090 01:08:31,970 --> 01:08:35,120 covered extensively you can 1091 01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,310 much, yes, Yeah, 1092 01:08:37,310 --> 01:08:41,900 and that's important, 1093 01:08:41,900 --> 01:08:45,260 awareness for awareness program 1094 01:08:45,260 --> 01:08:48,590 program, and it sought to use, 1095 01:08:48,590 --> 01:08:52,520 financial records. And I mean at 1096 01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:54,620 everything about you, 1097 01:08:54,620 --> 01:08:55,010 available at 1098 01:08:55,010 --> 01:08:57,050 the total they really meant 1099 01:08:57,110 --> 01:09:00,200 yeah, at the time, I don't 1100 01:09:00,230 --> 01:09:01,790 Apple watches and Fitbits and 1101 01:09:02,300 --> 01:09:06,080 iPhones. Wanted them, and 1102 01:09:06,140 --> 01:09:13,100 and to stop terrorism before 1103 01:09:13,100 --> 01:09:16,190 could see, like, if you go back, 1104 01:09:16,190 --> 01:09:19,070 ideas are not old. When 1105 01:09:19,070 --> 01:09:23,420 time he called on Silicon Valley 1106 01:09:23,420 --> 01:09:26,330 mass shooters before they 1107 01:09:26,330 --> 01:09:29,210 Harpa program that his 1108 01:09:29,210 --> 01:09:34,520 basically offering to do that by 1109 01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,820 posts through AI to determine 1110 01:09:37,820 --> 01:09:40,700 warning signs of 1111 01:09:40,700 --> 01:09:44,660 probably would be literally 1112 01:09:44,660 --> 01:09:44,930 know, 1113 01:09:45,290 --> 01:09:49,760 yeah, and then, and then 1114 01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,740 can't remember his exact 1115 01:09:51,740 --> 01:09:54,770 investor in it, or it was a seed 1116 01:09:54,770 --> 01:09:59,870 actually scanned main investor, 1117 01:09:59,900 --> 01:10:03,530 Did that exact strategy, you 1118 01:10:03,530 --> 01:10:08,000 think, via AI, yes, track down 1119 01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,270 6 protest and arrest them. And a 1120 01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:16,850 know, like, I mean, there's 1121 01:10:16,850 --> 01:10:19,430 trial. I think, Well, I think 1122 01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:22,940 actually. But up until recently, 1123 01:10:22,940 --> 01:10:27,590 bragged about using facial 1124 01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:31,010 arrested by law enforcement. 1125 01:10:31,010 --> 01:10:33,410 realize is that this is really 1126 01:10:33,410 --> 01:10:36,500 domestic terror. There were 1127 01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:38,960 Gates, but also maybe tech 1128 01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:42,050 about combining national 1129 01:10:42,260 --> 01:10:45,230 And that is why Palantir is 1130 01:10:45,230 --> 01:10:48,830 security state, and they're also 1131 01:10:48,830 --> 01:10:52,610 to fuse those two things into 1132 01:10:52,610 --> 01:10:55,760 probably do it, or the easiest 1133 01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,190 consent for that, is what they 1134 01:10:58,190 --> 01:11:02,720 anthrax attacks and and talk 1135 01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,630 there was a, there was sort of 1136 01:11:05,630 --> 01:11:09,950 narratives in early COVID. 19 1137 01:11:09,950 --> 01:11:12,890 and giving people COVID That was 1138 01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:16,400 that happened. Those were real 1139 01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:20,420 monger this type of stuff. And I 1140 01:11:20,420 --> 01:11:22,460 and you know, they're not a 1141 01:11:22,460 --> 01:11:24,380 recycle a lot of their 1142 01:11:24,380 --> 01:11:31,760 playbooks. Look no further than 1143 01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,430 I think people should be very 1144 01:11:34,430 --> 01:11:37,640 it's going to be framed as a 1145 01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:39,980 have to lock down this community 1146 01:11:39,980 --> 01:11:44,210 whole country, and people that 1147 01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:49,610 I'm sure many of them will 1148 01:11:49,610 --> 01:11:53,510 this was actually tested out 1149 01:11:53,780 --> 01:11:56,990 basically the Israeli equivalent 1150 01:11:56,990 --> 01:11:59,990 COVID 19 response, and I say 1151 01:12:00,770 --> 01:12:06,170 contracting contract with 1152 01:12:06,260 --> 01:12:09,890 Israeli equivalent of that in 1153 01:12:09,890 --> 01:12:13,400 called diagnostic robotics, and 1154 01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,190 basically predict COVID 1155 01:12:16,190 --> 01:12:19,760 they happen by then Governor of 1156 01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:24,290 later became Biden's Commerce 1157 01:12:24,290 --> 01:12:27,020 believe their own numbers, they 1158 01:12:27,020 --> 01:12:32,420 leaflets and stuff, say that 1159 01:12:32,420 --> 01:12:35,900 accurate, and that's not 1160 01:12:35,900 --> 01:12:38,600 it's probably lower than what 1161 01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:44,360 sales pitch. So maybe it's 60% 1162 01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,270 getting dangerously closer. In 1163 01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:51,290 same as a coin toss. You're 1164 01:12:52,010 --> 01:12:56,900 entire local economies based on 1165 01:12:56,900 --> 01:13:00,650 accurate. So I would argue that 1166 01:13:00,650 --> 01:13:04,790 taking away, um, people's civil 1167 01:13:04,940 --> 01:13:08,450 And if it's about, you know, 1168 01:13:08,450 --> 01:13:12,140 accurate either, and not totally 1169 01:13:12,140 --> 01:13:15,080 ethnic minority needs the shot, 1170 01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:19,610 exactly what Palantir did under 1171 01:13:19,610 --> 01:13:24,350 what their Tiberius program, 1172 01:13:24,380 --> 01:13:29,480 the it definitely becomes very 1173 01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:33,020 collective punishment, maybe in 1174 01:13:33,020 --> 01:13:36,260 19 era. But this is ultimately 1175 01:13:36,260 --> 01:13:39,830 personalizing things, whether 1176 01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:44,930 or personalized, localized 1177 01:13:44,930 --> 01:13:47,960 goal. And a lot of this stuff, 1178 01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,540 era, you know, the antecedents 1179 01:13:50,540 --> 01:13:55,340 and and first attempted, you 1180 01:13:55,340 --> 01:14:00,170 era. I don't know, it seems like 1181 01:14:00,170 --> 01:14:02,450 gone away. And actually, you 1182 01:14:02,450 --> 01:14:05,090 information awareness programs, 1183 01:14:05,090 --> 01:14:08,390 Bio surveillance, and some of 1184 01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:11,120 surveilling wastewater to 1185 01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,640 happens. And that was literally 1186 01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:17,540 during COVID in that Palantir 1187 01:14:17,540 --> 01:14:20,990 that Palantir is just the 1188 01:14:20,990 --> 01:14:23,810 information awareness, because 1189 01:14:23,810 --> 01:14:26,180 to the guy running total 1190 01:14:26,180 --> 01:14:29,810 basically like, tell us what to 1191 01:14:29,810 --> 01:14:32,210 a private company now that 1192 01:14:32,210 --> 01:14:36,800 Congress, and then get all this 1193 01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,590 people at the CIA that we're 1194 01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:43,520 awareness with the DARPA people 1195 01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:47,420 main funders of Palantir with 1196 01:14:47,420 --> 01:14:50,450 know, but I should say, in the 1197 01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:54,050 theme, that Palantir itself 1198 01:14:54,050 --> 01:14:59,540 algorithm at PayPal, and PayPal 1199 01:14:59,540 --> 01:15:03,050 a concept. Sequence of its 1200 01:15:03,050 --> 01:15:06,170 conversations with every three 1201 01:15:06,170 --> 01:15:12,350 them. That's according to PayPal 1202 01:15:12,350 --> 01:15:16,040 gave a spirited defense of NSA 1203 01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:24,950 Snowden era. So so much for that 1204 01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:28,700 PayPal crowd, but that's fine, 1205 01:15:28,700 --> 01:15:30,980 you know, like you're 1206 01:15:30,980 --> 01:15:34,520 are going to be dictating 1207 01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,250 communities, maybe individuals. 1208 01:15:37,250 --> 01:15:39,500 Center for forecasting and 1209 01:15:39,500 --> 01:15:44,480 with this bio data is use it to 1210 01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:48,440 rights of communities. So 1211 01:15:48,440 --> 01:15:51,770 go and enter it. I'm presuming 1212 01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:52,100 yeah, 1213 01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:55,850 the whole Oh no, that sounds 1214 01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:59,720 were calling 15 minute cities 1215 01:15:59,750 --> 01:16:02,900 hey, but it's our elites that 1216 01:16:05,300 --> 01:16:10,550 yeah, Barry Weiss did an 1217 01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:12,800 forgot exactly what counter 1218 01:16:15,170 --> 01:16:16,790 Yes, they're so different, 1219 01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:22,910 yeah, evidenced by Elon Musk 1220 01:16:22,910 --> 01:16:26,450 the name of the government 1221 01:16:26,450 --> 01:16:31,790 talking with Google, DeepMind AI 1222 01:16:31,790 --> 01:16:35,150 helping dictate which 1223 01:16:35,150 --> 01:16:40,070 everything. So they're totally 1224 01:16:40,190 --> 01:16:44,330 you know, like, regarding, like, 1225 01:16:44,330 --> 01:16:47,210 hallucinations, I guess, that 1226 01:16:47,210 --> 01:16:50,840 experiences, where they aren't 1227 01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:55,400 mean, just for example, how, 1228 01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:58,520 are pretty inaccurate, are 1229 01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:00,980 time I've used them. You know, I 1230 01:17:00,980 --> 01:17:03,770 are inaccurate, I can't imagine 1231 01:17:03,830 --> 01:17:05,660 are, but, but they 1232 01:17:05,660 --> 01:17:08,540 don't need to be accurate. I 1233 01:17:08,540 --> 01:17:13,490 lot of over hype issues, and a 1234 01:17:13,490 --> 01:17:16,610 the biggest AI companies, 1235 01:17:16,610 --> 01:17:20,750 big tech companies making them 1236 01:17:20,750 --> 01:17:23,480 whatever. A lot of them have 1237 01:17:23,480 --> 01:17:26,720 connections from their origins 1238 01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:31,640 those agencies, at which point 1239 01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,160 really need the perception that 1240 01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:38,060 anyway. And I don't think you 1241 01:17:38,060 --> 01:17:40,790 up earlier about like Ellison 1242 01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:43,340 will have people be on their 1243 01:17:43,340 --> 01:17:47,360 the Panopticon and all of that 1244 01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,670 being watched constantly, but 1245 01:17:49,670 --> 01:17:53,480 watched, so that induces 1246 01:17:54,140 --> 01:18:00,350 correct behavior. And so you 1247 01:18:00,350 --> 01:18:03,260 idea that the algorithm is 1248 01:18:03,260 --> 01:18:06,710 it's not accurate, it can still, 1249 01:18:07,670 --> 01:18:11,810 the same consequences, as long 1250 01:18:11,810 --> 01:18:14,540 And I think there's a lot of 1251 01:18:14,540 --> 01:18:17,480 that's pretty clear for the 1252 01:18:17,480 --> 01:18:21,110 trying to manage how the public 1253 01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:24,320 sort of AI surveillance systems 1254 01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:27,140 kind of panopticon effect, 1255 01:18:27,140 --> 01:18:29,840 they're really in these 1256 01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:34,490 work very much, you know, as an 1257 01:18:34,490 --> 01:18:38,900 enforcement use of AI in 1258 01:18:38,900 --> 01:18:41,330 contract with, I forget what 1259 01:18:41,330 --> 01:18:44,330 notoriously inaccurate. They 1260 01:18:44,330 --> 01:18:47,810 recognitions of all sorts of 1261 01:18:47,810 --> 01:18:51,110 came out that it was like 1262 01:18:51,140 --> 01:18:54,560 dismal, and they made no effort 1263 01:18:54,980 --> 01:18:58,250 Why would that be? Because they 1264 01:18:58,250 --> 01:19:00,680 because if they did care, they 1265 01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:03,980 There's no shortage of people 1266 01:19:04,610 --> 01:19:07,400 But the idea is that there's, 1267 01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:09,590 But it's important to point out 1268 01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:14,900 racially biased, which, you 1269 01:19:14,900 --> 01:19:18,560 my work in the COVID era, there 1270 01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,470 that have rebranded Bill Gates 1271 01:19:21,470 --> 01:19:26,330 figure pushing policies 1272 01:19:26,330 --> 01:19:30,200 know, I think people should be 1273 01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,840 when Palantir has evolved 1274 01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:36,260 bias and things like pre crime, 1275 01:19:36,260 --> 01:19:39,080 policing, and also in warp 1276 01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:43,220 Peter Thiel and Alex carp like 1277 01:19:43,220 --> 01:19:47,300 stuff. Like Alex carp is, like, 1278 01:19:47,300 --> 01:19:49,700 Americans are going to push him 1279 01:19:49,700 --> 01:19:52,550 because he's half black and half 1280 01:19:52,550 --> 01:19:57,440 amazed I haven't been murdered 1281 01:19:57,440 --> 01:20:00,590 think that sounds like a sane 1282 01:20:00,590 --> 01:20:06,710 much power over our surveillance 1283 01:20:06,710 --> 01:20:09,230 that's going to have the power 1284 01:20:09,230 --> 01:20:12,020 decide what, quote, unquote, 1285 01:20:12,230 --> 01:20:16,640 prescribed by the state in some 1286 01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:22,610 event or whatever that's I mean, 1287 01:20:22,610 --> 01:20:24,800 feel like I'm ranting here 1288 01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,110 we could cover, and I think 1289 01:20:27,110 --> 01:20:30,110 we usually wrap this podcast up. 1290 01:20:30,110 --> 01:20:36,380 like to note on any of these 1291 01:20:36,740 --> 01:20:39,200 further reading you might want 1292 01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:43,490 Yeah. I mean, I would say 1293 01:20:43,490 --> 01:20:49,040 if they can. I where they could 1294 01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:53,150 Hangout premium member, so I got 1295 01:20:53,150 --> 01:20:57,590 Revolution, Final Coup D'etat by 1296 01:20:57,590 --> 01:21:00,080 interesting regarding this stuff 1297 01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,660 bigger picture elements and the 1298 01:21:02,660 --> 01:21:06,140 to us versus the way that it 1299 01:21:06,170 --> 01:21:09,860 because, I mean, you talk about 1300 01:21:10,370 --> 01:21:13,040 perfect example of how AI does 1301 01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:17,150 these things, these, you know, 1302 01:21:17,150 --> 01:21:21,350 experience I have in my limited 1303 01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:22,910 remember I remember I talked to 1304 01:21:22,910 --> 01:21:25,310 Oh, my God, ChatGPT is amazing. 1305 01:21:25,310 --> 01:21:27,920 gets it right every time. And I 1306 01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:30,110 Every time I've asked it 1307 01:21:30,110 --> 01:21:32,420 that it gets it wrong almost 1308 01:21:32,420 --> 01:21:36,200 example, the other day, I saw 1309 01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:38,450 is named Karoline Leavitt. I was 1310 01:21:38,450 --> 01:21:42,320 related to Mike Leavitt. So I 1311 01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,770 it would say. And I was like, 1312 01:21:45,770 --> 01:21:50,090 Karoline Leavitt's Father, I looked it up. 1313 01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:53,060 That's not true. Oh, sorry, it's 1314 01:21:53,060 --> 01:21:55,130 true either. Oh, they're 1315 01:21:55,130 --> 01:21:58,130 it kind of went wrong like five 1316 01:21:58,130 --> 01:21:59,030 question, yeah. 1317 01:21:59,150 --> 01:22:01,700 Well, I think there are 1318 01:22:01,700 --> 01:22:04,160 effectively. I've heard from 1319 01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:07,730 coding, for example, and some 1320 01:22:07,730 --> 01:22:10,100 code that it makes has to go 1321 01:22:10,100 --> 01:22:13,790 like by a human and stuff. I 1322 01:22:13,790 --> 01:22:17,390 I'm not, I'm not a big AI 1323 01:22:17,390 --> 01:22:21,800 as people who follow my work 1324 01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:26,570 think the point here, whether 1325 01:22:26,570 --> 01:22:30,410 skeptic, is that a lot of the 1326 01:22:30,410 --> 01:22:34,010 for at the law enforcement, 1327 01:22:34,010 --> 01:22:39,140 also in healthcare, the accuracy 1328 01:22:39,140 --> 01:22:41,720 because there's, you know, if 1329 01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:44,510 give it human oversight, which 1330 01:22:44,900 --> 01:22:47,540 it's pretty minimal, I think. 1331 01:22:47,540 --> 01:22:50,060 world of autonomous warfare and 1332 01:22:50,060 --> 01:22:54,530 probably become, you know, less 1333 01:22:55,760 --> 01:23:00,950 I think people should be, you 1334 01:23:00,950 --> 01:23:04,010 know that that accuracy matters. 1335 01:23:04,010 --> 01:23:06,860 before we wrap up here, as it 1336 01:23:06,860 --> 01:23:09,080 coming on the market in 1337 01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:11,780 next four years. If people want 1338 01:23:11,780 --> 01:23:15,770 policy level that may actually 1339 01:23:15,770 --> 01:23:19,700 with mRNA in it be labeled, 1340 01:23:19,700 --> 01:23:24,020 that has that was injected, the 1341 01:23:24,020 --> 01:23:27,290 why it was alive, like in the 1342 01:23:27,290 --> 01:23:30,380 pharmaceutical system, I think 1343 01:23:30,380 --> 01:23:34,790 so, you know, if we can't 1344 01:23:34,790 --> 01:23:38,300 that it'll be kept the market, 1345 01:23:38,300 --> 01:23:42,050 or something like that, I think 1346 01:23:42,050 --> 01:23:45,440 would be kind of practical to 1347 01:23:45,440 --> 01:23:49,400 at the very least, about what 1348 01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:51,230 material and which ones do not. 1349 01:23:51,950 --> 01:23:56,240 Yeah, and RFK is actually 1350 01:23:56,240 --> 01:24:00,320 pushing, I think more lately has 1351 01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:03,320 So if the Trump campaign really, 1352 01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:05,810 really does support RFK, then 1353 01:24:06,020 --> 01:24:10,490 I kind of doubt it. Well, see, 1354 01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,940 and yeah, I mean, I don't have 1355 01:24:13,940 --> 01:24:16,670 is, because I don't think we got 1356 01:24:16,670 --> 01:24:21,200 the center for forecasting and 1357 01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:25,970 know, I would say the big 1358 01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:30,650 it's the resurrection of the bio 1359 01:24:30,650 --> 01:24:33,980 information awareness, and the 1360 01:24:33,980 --> 01:24:37,700 center dedicated to carrying out 1361 01:24:37,700 --> 01:24:42,680 predict pandemics constantly the 1362 01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:49,070 current public health agency and 1363 01:24:49,070 --> 01:24:51,920 really resurrecting that and 1364 01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:58,790 we'll see a concrete way 1365 01:24:58,790 --> 01:25:02,450 going to. Yeah, and the reason 1366 01:25:02,450 --> 01:25:06,740 pairing with total information 1367 01:25:06,740 --> 01:25:10,610 that it taps has a it's dual 1368 01:25:10,610 --> 01:25:12,680 like, like you just mentioned 1369 01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:17,090 things. That might be true, but 1370 01:25:17,090 --> 01:25:19,970 of the people that are 1371 01:25:19,970 --> 01:25:22,460 actually want to do, and what 1372 01:25:22,460 --> 01:25:27,080 ideologies are. And it just so 1373 01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:31,940 surveillance data is just as 1374 01:25:31,970 --> 01:25:35,570 which Thiel, which, as you 1375 01:25:35,570 --> 01:25:40,550 carp and Peter Thiel just 1376 01:25:40,580 --> 01:25:45,050 killed it, and so that's 1377 01:25:45,050 --> 01:25:48,620 anyone that might see this 1378 01:25:48,650 --> 01:25:51,590 beneficial, because I understand 1379 01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:57,290 someone that has an Apple watch, 1380 01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:00,230 it automatically called an 1381 01:26:00,230 --> 01:26:02,300 said that their Apple Watch 1382 01:26:02,300 --> 01:26:05,690 why it's enticing, but those 1383 01:26:05,690 --> 01:26:08,390 apparent, if you look at the 1384 01:26:08,750 --> 01:26:11,420 have to be considered. So that's 1385 01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:13,800 Well, I think those are 1386 01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,320 also add too, that, you know, 1387 01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,500 needs to be seen for what it is. 1388 01:26:19,500 --> 01:26:23,540 been rebranded. This is like a 1389 01:26:23,540 --> 01:26:27,380 really goes back to the Reagan 1390 01:26:27,380 --> 01:26:31,880 using, you know, this type of 1391 01:26:32,300 --> 01:26:36,200 including the person that, you 1392 01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:38,540 awareness and is considered the 1393 01:26:38,540 --> 01:26:42,280 surveillance, John Poindexter, 1394 01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,800 highest ranking member of the 1395 01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:49,060 indicted as part of Iran Contra. 1396 01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:52,960 develop a similar surveillance 1397 01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:56,800 of clamping down on domestic 1398 01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:00,600 vaguely defined national 1399 01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:05,400 the state. This is not good. The 1400 01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:09,240 this kind of power and this kind 1401 01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:13,320 former NSA and CIA director, 1402 01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:17,520 with metadata. People need to be 1403 01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,240 data you're willingly going to 1404 01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:24,260 government, and when you're 1405 01:27:24,380 --> 01:27:28,580 into what your internal body is 1406 01:27:28,580 --> 01:27:32,000 your you know of the brain chip, 1407 01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,400 thinking. And it doesn't even 1408 01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:38,660 chip anymore, if you believe any 1409 01:27:38,660 --> 01:27:41,920 sales pitches of technology 1410 01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:45,760 think we need to be really aware 1411 01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,640 it's someone for people that 1412 01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:54,040 Actually, a big tech, beloved 1413 01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:57,940 made it quite clear how this 1414 01:27:57,940 --> 01:28:02,460 what he calls the end of free 1415 01:28:02,820 --> 01:28:06,780 just completely unprecedented, 1416 01:28:06,780 --> 01:28:10,980 if you're externally expressing 1417 01:28:10,980 --> 01:28:14,580 politician, if you're internally 1418 01:28:14,580 --> 01:28:18,840 response, they can, as he says, 1419 01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:23,120 Morning. That doesn't really 1420 01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:25,940 not that it would happen 1421 01:28:25,940 --> 01:28:30,920 be sort of coaxed into this, 1422 01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:35,000 big tech bros with ties to the 1423 01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:38,480 best interests at heart when 1424 01:28:38,480 --> 01:28:42,760 of implementing these, you know, 1425 01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:46,780 neoconservative agenda, you 1426 01:28:46,780 --> 01:28:49,360 dangers that come with that. So 1427 01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:49,840 your work? 1428 01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:55,480 Yeah, so I have Twitter, 1429 01:28:56,440 --> 01:29:00,900 It's at Maxie Jones, so that's 1430 01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:07,080 Jones, J, O, N, E, S, and I also 1431 01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:09,300 I don't really use that much, 1432 01:29:09,300 --> 01:29:15,000 called anti Jones, dot sub 1433 01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:17,280 yeah, okay, that's what it's 1434 01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:20,180 writing on that more soon. And 1435 01:29:20,180 --> 01:29:23,240 out my articles at Unlimited 1436 01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:26,060 very much for your insights 1437 01:29:26,060 --> 01:29:28,820 enjoyed having you on the 1438 01:29:28,820 --> 01:29:31,340 on again sometime, and thanks to 1439 01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,920 especially those who support 1440 01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:35,720 you all in the next episode. 1441 01:29:35,540 --> 01:29:36,620 Thanks, Whitney.