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host. Whitney Webb, Donald Trump
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molding government policy, as
overlooked ambitions of its
installment, we will look at
healthcare and biotechnology.
embraced the quote, unquote,
MAHA movement, which initially
experimental biotech products
as well as a desire to extricate
regulation from the
it appears that MAHA de facto
slated to become of HHS, the
Services, the Department is
experimental products via
surveillance regimes that would
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Whitney, well, it is my
start up this discussion talking
how it was an important part of
you know, that's the perception
initially stated goals that
that movement have gradually
Kennedy endorsement of Trump
noted earlier, a lot of the
taking big pharma, the
government, healthcare
revolving door, which was a big
campaign, and some of his work
he voiced extensively on his
COVID era policies that
run operation warp speed
first Trump administration. And
products, the namely the mRNA
downstream of Operation warp
obviously a source of great
in this particular movement. But
ambitions, at least if you're
in this movement are saying,
noticed that as well? Yeah,
definitely. Because it's
think that there's been this
the liberal side of the spectrum
wing nut job, even though he's a
there's this, I mean, I guess a
right, or conservatives that
policy really were drawn to him.
I think he made in the book that
lot of it, which was very valid.
actual initial agenda that was
America healthy again, it was
liberal promise to use
influence of big pharma and big
things that and in a pretty
in previous election cycles, if
traditional like Democratic
associated with conservatives
liberals would probably support
wanted to do, aside from the
making the clinical trials for
things like stopping advertising
something that's like pretty
Democratic Party constituency, I
politics kind of brain rots
weird distortion with RFK. And
agenda was built on this kind of
to curb the influence of these
shift, and that kind of grew out
out of the shuttering of his
with Trump and RFK. Endorsement
pretty important, because the
realized this time around that
was what was going to give them
Democrats, which were very much
establishment, and RFK kind of
populism through his association
mean, just like recently with
to really back away from these
regulatory power to do things
of clinical trials on vaccines
vaccine mandates. And like just
York Times the other day that
move forward in his confirmation
endorsement of Senator Bill
ties to Big Pharma and vaccine
way, the way that he secured
the Times, was by extracting a
Kennedy. Cassidy did. And
from pharma and healthcare
largest contributor was,
Ochsner health system. If I
pronounce it, but it's spelled
they actually, during the
costs for their employees with
pandemic. And r k allegedly
he was going to give Congress
might make in vaccine policy, so
RFK made, which you can which
audience, really show RFK
agenda that I think really
those COVID era dissidents,
that actually initiated a lot of
speed, yeah. So I think, you
devil's advocates out there that
say these things in front of the
confirmed. But sort of that
obtaining political power, it
can't really know if that's true
you know, the viewpoints he
it's certainly possible that he
policies stated there. Obviously
resistance if he were to pursue
when he was on the campaign
it remains to be seen, I think,
Secretary. But I think there
statements even before and
confirmation hearing. So one of
article that's from January 14,
and it's entitled Trump team
vaccine aides. And essentially
close to both Trump and Kennedy,
dumping a lot of his people
to serve as AIDS if he were
affiliations with, from
example, in favor of, well, it
his staff, actually. So one of
staff is Heather flick, who was
Previously involved with Alex
Trump's first term. And you
first declared COVID a health
the creation and implementation
Biden came into office. And so
article that basically, and I'm
essentially said something to
not pursue changes to vaccine
going to focus on wins and food
interesting that that report
the months prior to that, sort
figures. Now, influential
of nowhere after the Kennedy
mean siblings Callie and Casey
lot of this, the stuff about
chronic disease epidemic, as
I agree with the nomenclature
much entirely due to big food
things in big food. I don't
and the food supply were
addressed meaningfully by the
focused on the unhealthy
of this promotion of things like
which you know is, is fine
criticizing, you know, those
an effort to engineer a more
it's easier to secure those
movement, and sort of act like
coalition were fulfilled, while
removing industry influence from
and anything that would have to
products off the market or
on the market, right?
And another thing that I
article was that they described
officials. So I don't know
is, but I wouldn't be surprised
fit based on the money and
associated with the Trump
acting as the sort of, this is
guys, eyes and ears within the
important liaison and
chief of staff, they kind of lay
implies that there is this
camp to basically subvert
guess you could say, and it
exactly. And that makes you know
lot of people that are, you
or MAGA influencers that kind of
stuff. But when you look at the
heavily affiliated with Trump,
for example, example, the most
Peter Thiel, who, you know was,
responsible for the rise of JD
and also started his private
capital. And I mean, Peter Thiel
currently the largest
Palantir right now has a
multiple contracts with HHS and
of this HHS, to basically build
infrastructure across across the
from the local level to the
of bio data to constantly
outbreak Forecast, to then allow
provide curated policy for
outbreak potential or outbreak
obviously, like something like
with these mRNA, the procurement
products, as we saw during COVID
initially in the last American
Oracle were according to, I
speed heads. I don't know if
contracts were ever
officially, Slaouil, who was
speed, said it, yeah, that
contracts to follow recipients
for up to two years, right?
Yeah. So, so um,
parcel to uh, Emergency,
development and distribution of
like, right there? You have a
key guys associated with Trump
this industry existing in the
note of that, it actually makes
Kennedy. And this, this
order to secure the position to,
from his initial policy agenda.
sense.
Yeah, well, I think there's
sort of dynamic, some good cop,
terms of public perception with
considering, as we covered
appointment to be the deputy to
Jim O'Neill, who was a long time
founder. Used to run the Thiel
fellowship with Peter Thiel
also Clarium capital, which is
at Mithril, he was JD Vance's
significant investments in
were made so Jim O'Neill. And as
this, for all the nitty gritty
arguing for quite some time for
testing of products at, I guess
actually floated to be FDA head
administration, and was
that role. I can't remember if
Andreessen Horowitz partner that
He was also pitched to be head
controversial, and then they
Gottlieb, who became kind of
for his revolving door
also the CIA linked company
manufacturing for this, a lot of
resilience, I think previously
that I reported on some few
O'Neill, by eliminating efficacy
these products getting on the
past reporting and reporting of
mRNA products, and what was even
COVID 19 event. Basically, you
not effective, or toxic and
slider where you either get one
of course, very difficult for
regulatory paradigm at the FDA.
ago, a lot of what was the
publicly expressed, of the of
more stringent clinical testing
products. Because, of course, a
what happened during COVID 19 is
deregulatory paradigm was used
biotech onto the market and onto
people that took it became
you can, when you consider that,
know, Pfizer's bio in tech, but
anything on the market, because
animal trials, you know, all of
market and they're,
well, yeah, like, like
moderna in need of a Hail Mary
from a lot of the same problems
that the companies that O'Neill
I think, I think Personally as
like, they can't even get
trials sometimes because of
like, some of these companies
existed for like, over a decade,
brought to market, just like
pandemic, and they were, yeah,
and so some of these
like, 15 years or a lot longer,
able to get anything on the
way to get it on the market thus
COVID 19 vaccines because of,
authorization. I would
in this case, but it's really
to go on the market. Obviously,
livestock. You know, there's
products already being with the
cases where it does get through
vaccines, but I have a feeling
Testing is a lot less stringent
don't know Well, I'm kind of I
whole ending efficacy testing
it's being framed as a way to
bureaucratic red tape and to
innovation. And these are, you
Republican talking points here.
during COVID 19 was a removal,
bureaucratic red tape, and it
pharmaceutical industry, or wing
have no liability for these
them used massively and to reap
of course, now that's been
would share in those profits.
in the press conference
US sovereign wealth fund,
buying equity and and these
that when you know COVID 19
abroad, the US government, you
incentive, which is pretty
administration plans to go with
of the controversial statements
at the Stargate press press
in the White House about this
personalized mRNA vaccines for
mRNA companies that got, you
independent media during COVID,
on cancer specifically for a
basically charge more because
vaccine for each person. There's
arguably one of the reasons that
health DARPA agency, which he
lot of it was framed around this
promoted on day one of the Trump
telling, and importantly, ARPA-H
was, as you noted in your
approached to the Trump
tool, and a lot of I don't think
transitioned to a predictive
they changed the data sources
this program for pre health
the architect, I mean, one
it is this guy named Bob Wright,
Universal, and he's a good
the, you know, the the network
apprentice, but it was the main
Wright to design the program as
Ling, who was basically running
biotech stuff at DARPA. Because
technology came out of DARPA
under the Obama administration
know, the head of the director
investments in mRNA were made,
has since become head of the
equivalent, called Welcome leap,
ago. So, you know, it's, it's
set to expand in the US under
because a lot of the same
during COVID, and I think were
whether that's the Wellcome
and Melinda Gates Foundation are
it as necessary to expand, you
health, and you know, the health
Goals, which I've argued, you
really about creating new
policy to impose those markets
actual demand for the products
making, and that kind of, you
similar to what ends up
ultimately, you know, maybe the
the way it's being marketed is
under Trump. But ultimately,
type of experimental
market, and it's used to be
definitely something that we can
unfortunately. And I think
addition to sort of these quote,
actually going to be running the
he's nominally the head, but
Staff, decides who gets access
what he does as HHS Secretary,
being basically the person who
and oversees the FDA and all
behalf, there is a lot of room
Kennedy was intent on
HHS. And as you noted earlier,
is the case, but I don't want to
possibility. But you know, I'm
prospects at the moment, but I
know for a fact what his plans
sort of points to this, in
the Larry Ellison statements,
guy who's slated to be head of
Makary, or Martin Makary, who's
believe, and he became a pretty
on promoted a lot to Trump's
announced to be FDA head, going
think he even has his own
frequent guest on a lot of
sort of talking about, using a
about, you know, chronic health
it's his tech, his stance on
been overlooked by a lot of
America healthy again movement.
clearly portrayed, not just by
reactions to his appointment as
boost in stocks for biotech that
So of course, you know, there
time like a you know, Kennedy's
confirmed, there's a dip in
seems to be true for Marty
considered, is considered very
by the people that run that
point that some have said they
appointment, which I think is
article, his statements during
with it taking multiple weeks
approved under the emergency use
it should have happened in less
of, you know, combined with how
that that COVID stance under
paradigm, it seems like he'd be
that people like Jim O'Neill
it explicit earlier, and I
O'Neill's interest in
necessarily to eliminate all
thinks that data collection
take the drug, and she should be
And as we note in the article,
he cites as sort of his, I guess
developing this view, who argue
a variety of means and have a
know if you'd be interested in
for sure. And just one other
into this stuff about Richard
talking about, one of the people
I mean, not, he doesn't say
inspiration, but he talks about
work, and thinks they're doing
basically deregulation and but
himself in that talk that where
well, it was notorious. Seems
least in the mainstream media,
tests. He's actually been
paradigm since his time at HHS,
Mike Leavitt, where he was
to the centers of power that
huge step, a significant step
paradigm. And you talked about
basically manufacturing
markets that no one really
well, I don't, I don't want to
he played, but he was certainly
centers of power, the at the HHS
BARDA pass, the project
Implemented, or created the
to them purchasing all of these
in the article, which kind of
think, as you noted, quadruple
before.
Well, so BARDA basically
Big Pharma, any sort of you
manufactured the threat is. And
mostly manufactured by people
post COVID 19, like Neil
of London, a lot of his modeling
doomsday statistics about what a
would be like, you know, between
know, he was fresh off the
helped use similar doomsday
credibility as a part of the
disease outbreak, which led to
insane amount of livestock in
impacted their farming industry.
we learned during COVID 19, it's
fear, using statistics and using
events of real in the absence of
same. And by doing so, you know,
Congress can express outrage,
concern, Congress responds, and
stockpiles of medication, often
pharmaceutical companies, of
respond to this doomsday event
stockpile, you know, was
anthrax attacks we need it was
response to that before project
Congress, this idea that there's
mean, that was back, you know,
Terror era. So that's initially
eventually, you know, moved the
pandemic, and needing to sort of
since then has sort of been to
threats, and has often been
to basically boost companies of,
like emergent bio solutions, who
was never properly tested and
linked to Gulf War Syndrome,
actually being given to military
label way to the point where
stop giving it to people until,
Hauer came in and saved the day.
another time, but if you're
about him and weird things about
years old series called
those attacks and how a lot of
the people that created that
people that led early COVID
for example, who was Assistant
Response under the first Trump
project bioshield, develop the
to the click that I argue in my
2001 anthrax attacks. There's no
Anyway, getting a little off
it was basically a way to create
manufacture fear for the purpose
for products people don't need
so. And also, at the same time,
way, because fear is also
people's civil liberties. So
surrender bodily autonomy in one
liberties, as many of them acts
the national security state. And
years after, you know, bioshield
revealing and how, that's how
you know, Jim O'Neill's
worth pointing out. And as we
main speech writer for Tommy
lot of this fear mongering about
project bio shield was being
know, notes in his own CV that
Academic response and writing
which in this case refers to the
subsequently went on to lead,
type of role he'll be having now
top tier HHS executive level
definitely had a lot of clout
administration's HHS, and it
deregulatory vision that was,
Bush era is likely to make a
RFK as the public face of the
notably by his own, you
interested in this deregulation
entire, from the beginning of
least. And he was there helping
helping this legislation get
teams of Tommy Thompson and Mike
brags about, in that same talk,
eliminate efficacy tests, how he
starting to regulate this one
and, and one thing that the
talked about that a couple years
where he advocated eliminating
didn't mention was that he then
this guy named Richard Barker,
CASMI, and his model of adaptive
Barker's model is worth noting
what O'Neill wants to do, and
deregulatory slash surveillance
quick. I just want to note
housed at Oxford. I believe
CASMI, I believe, is the Center
medical innovation, if I'm not
tell you a lot, if you're
like something that Barker
problem, I guess, in drug
and he says it's so severe that
current way we do drug
And this issue is that those
so, you know, in my opinion, at
drug development should work,
in theory, in the best form of
not be concerned with the
they're creating, and instead
know, things like, is it does it
lives or treat people's
that they actually need to, that
commercial side, and that they
pharma and the people that are
of those drugs need to be
development process further, and
via the collection of value
this should happen via the
massive amount of real world
accumulated outside of clinical
through electronic health
watch, your phone, wearables,
again, like, this is important
MAHA movement, because RMK Jr's
mean, at least the agenda that
campaign trail is like the exact
Barker, says. And, you know, so,
from Barker himself. He says
value in the design of climate
early crafting phase involving
and patient associations, so as
clinical and value data and and
being a way to solve the problem
initial market value of their
instead allow companies to
of their drug by through these
then use that data to basically
the drug over time. AKA,
prices of drugs as they exist as
market longer by using this,
you know, for anyone listening,
devices and your labor, whatever
basically, so like you know,
for Big Pharma to directly
people to cultivate capital and
them getting nothing in return.
even further, where he believes
patient populations should be
basically allow pharma to
of creating drugs.
Do you think that could be
Pharma to, like, charge
drug on different populations?
more effective in one ethnic
charge that ethnic group more
ethnic group. Like, is that a
segmented population idea? Yeah,
I mean, I would think so
Higdon, this scholar from, I
but he wrote this book about
where he basically studied this
capital industry, whatever you
basically said that every time
he came across these promises,
where, you know, because
people are going to hear this
get to, you know, use my data,
because it's developed for me or
people like me. But, I mean, he
case that it's used to exploit
jack up prices and cut costs,
surprised if that's a
I mean, one thing that he said
likely that these, this real
insurance companies, for
premiums based on certain
your wearables or your other
he said, for example, like, oh,
five hours a night, and that
to get this disease or this
taking care of yourself. So we
look at the subjective data that
not taking care of yourself. Why
definitely think that's
Well, that's gonna be fun
companies. They're really gonna
spawning like an army of Luigi
Yeah. And if O'Neill, you
Barker's model, they'll even be
process, right? And I'm sure
they may already be too involved
now they'll just be even more
for them. And you know, in
we can have this outcome focused
mentioned. And basically he says
currently. So, you know, we got
and then, kind of like, hope
I think an example of that might
They had this drug and it seemed
so much demand for it, and then
artificial demand by instilling
selling this pitch about bird
basically, this predictive
would allow quote products to be
patient segments. And then he
we can also use this data that
focus on behavioral factors, so
want to cultivate this data for
development purposes, they also
behavioral modification, because
to focus on the behavioral
either as accelerators or
that sounds so much like the
modification and nudging and all
hesitancy, but I guess now it'll
hesitancy.
Yeah, yeah. And the thing
voters are, I mean, everyone,
may be optimistic about having
some rhetoric about this stuff
they should be very wary of
they're actively studying ways
accept these products. And you
be to collect evidence as to how
exercise is complex. It's there
different behavioral contexts
which, which highlights the
planning to collect on, on, on
specifically. And, you know, I
concept of utilizing the data,
basically manipulate human
populations is like straight out
mean, yeah, Phil bean
about how the entire DARPA tech
counterinsurgency program from
that just being repurposed for
and the fact that a lot of this
has dual use purposes. So like,
they're collecting on you via
health could also presumably be
to shoot up a school or
yeah, because they'll just
exactly.
Because, I mean, I mean,
someone does something like
just wait till the Neuralink
is not secretly thinking about
happen. I say that with a joke,
Alyssa has literally said
these AI nodes all across the
constantly analyzing and getting
collected via all these devices,
lot safer, because no one's
right? So, I mean, it's not that
like that could happen or be
And, yeah, so, I mean, I think
Barker, and I think it really
on these things. And also, like,
because, I mean, it appears that
exploiting RFK Jr, kind of like
sell this stuff like so, for
O'Neill where he's advocating
drug development. He says, Many
markets in health care. We don't
perverse incentives and opaque
expensive and less efficient
care are usually paid by volume,
for outcomes. And then he says
opting of the RFK make America
says, and government makes
subsidizing unhealthy food and
to families who are trying their
there you have this deregulatory
with the most, I would say, the
initial agenda that was
campaign on the campaign trail,
exploits that radical agenda and
deregulatory paradigm, which is
people that maybe don't stay up
that much and don't have all the
things, or
don't follow what people
you know, yeah, interesting,
of their mouth. Yeah, that's
it's worth pointing out too,
the discussion on O'Neill here,
affiliation with Thiel, it's
piece. But also, you know, for a
after he was out of government
Thiel affiliated BC. He was
Foundation, which is devoted to,
or like age related diseases.
one of those sort of Silicon
foundations that aims to offer
And, you know, a lot of big tech
this idea of immortality.
those is Brian Johnson, and he,
significant interest in
into themselves to stay young,
the sins Research Foundation is
biotech, including mRNA, DNA,
technology like that, in order
lifespans, which is the sins
know, really exists thanks to
So it's no surprise that you
with Thiel present there, like
who's sort of like a JD Vance
failed political career was also
on the Sims Research Foundation
And they're focused on a lot of
of biotech as well. And I think
mean, people need to pay
Silicon Valley big tech and Big
been covering it a lot since the
been this effort, and you
the who and permanent pandemic
traditional the traditional
basically run out of steam. It's
pharma itself. They refer to it
so the way they want to get
basically related to how
don't make as much money when
of that farm, that
they've been going into biotech,
joint ventures with big tech
example. And you know, a lot of
as major in essential parts of
national security state
of the national security, you
apparatus. And so the idea of
idea of selling bio surveillance
improve, you know, market
and all of this stuff, I would
way to manufacture what I think
the final frontier of mass
surveilling people's bodies
through things inside the body,
would put brain machine, brain
Neuralink, in that category. And
remember, too, with brain
it ultimately comes to the FDA
grant them breakthrough device
of the quote, unquote,
things. But we have, you know,
prominent role in the government
divest from any of his companies
does another PayPal Mafia figure
government employee, David Sacks
crypto AI czar, it's very
someone like O'Neill, who is
and healthcare, and see some of
I would definitely encourage
this could potentially advance,
possibilities if they are
data from our external
environment. There's this really
and sort of mine all the data
tied to the current
creating the internet of
tree in the Amazon rainforest to
trees. It's, it sounds bonkers,
ambitions to do that to people
called Internet of bodies, which
tanks like the RAND Corporation
years. And it's really not, I
other university like that,
dedicated to accelerating the
bodies. Silicon Valley has been
some time, and I think we could
that come through under the
was like, Look how cool google
Apple helmet. And now I guess
Ban looking ones that they think
people.
My friend has a parent, they
you should break them for
Facebook started as a DARPA
a second and take them to the
little too opinionated there.
ambition of that. And I think
like Larry Ellison of Oracle,
buy biosurveil COVID 19. Vaccine
saying, we're going to have all
vaccines. They're going to be
have to do gather the testing
them. And they may not do the
19 with like blanket mandates,
will be some, some other type of
people to adopt this. Because a
healthcare or really anything
in reference to the SDGs, is
will make, you know, this
entrench their power and sort of
feudalism in society. And I
know, ways they could do that,
get people to want these
use public policy as the
markets, essentially. So it's
a lot of the mental gymnastics
explain away the Stargate
comment about buying the US
COVID 19, mRNA vaccine
things we've discussed today,
on Jim O'Neill and his potential
these early MAHA ambitions, you
a lot of the big influencers in
honestly, you know, is kind of
well, but also just allow a very
Palantir, really at all. And
company that has expanded under
bipartisan, you know, it's the
unquote, Deep State runs. But
administration, or, you know,
wants to talk about Palantir,
how many investors in Palantir,
know, people like Joe Lonsdale
David Sacks is also an investor
czar. And, of course, Peter
Palantir has played an out. Has
military and other you know, all
of the US intelligence agencies
which Kennedy was a big critics
Gaza, which RFK, of course, is
nevertheless, Palantir has
They also run a lot of the data
Health Service, and they also
covered recently on your piece
for forecasting and outbreak
that's worth covering a little
and wrap up here to talk about
paradigm, if there's a new
emergency, how lockdowns or any
became infamous during COVID
unquote, more gently, as a way
know, there's been an
after post COVID, when, in
tactics that are sort of very
scenario were really tested out
extent. Yeah. And
just like, I'll get into the
forecasting and outbreak
program you just mentioned,
picture stuff. But just like,
about nano chips, I think, and
when I bring that up to people,
eyes and like, it sounds
at this point, but like, so just
forecasting and outlay, outbreak
have this thing called the
responsible for collaborating
sector and inter agency partners
products, tools and enterprise
pandemic data analysis flexible,
customers, including state,
right now, you know, take note
they're working with interagency
tools and enterprise
sharing more vast and flexible.
O'Neill that that ARPA-H, that
earlier, that was initially a
Creating a device, or, I mean,
different teams to develop bio
implanted in patients through
that's literally from the ARPA-H
That's them, yeah, and one so,
create a living Sentinel, is
key biomarkers in the body and
in real time. And then all of
an implantable, living pharmacy
molecules to the patient on
So okay, great, yeah, right
there. You have this thing
automatically feed you these
maybe even
don't ask what the molecules
yeah, exactly, right. And
Because now they have this thing
they got
everyone, a lot of people's
testing, and Palantir took all
right, and now they want to
they want to create a limited
genealogy or mine.
People constantly for bio
awash in data that our bodies
new oil. So you have to tap
for data. And the best way to
extract it from something that's
you know, we're having a lot of
bodies, the Internet of forests
the parameters of a living thing
Because it's alive, it's not
lot of data and have, I mean,
your AI will become, is
feeding on, and also the quality
that's one of the incentives
might sort of be ignoring brain
risk, because there are a
that industry from this
mean, obviously Elon Musk is
because of Neuralink, which has
the amount of animals that died
example. And if the FDA under
we could see them potentially
the next four years. Because,
are devices that have to undergo
on the market. But there's
farther along than Neuralink
Neurotech, which recently
investment from the stablecoin
of ties to Howard Lutnick, the
tether, of course, is also very
rumble. Of course, also tied to
Vance, the Vice President and
counsel just became the number
Ellis. And then they're also
invested really heavily in this
is a satellite surveillance
they're building the internet of
purpose of turning each hectare
like a token that you can buy.
it's
true. And Satellogic is also
it's directly connected to
five year partnership, right?
Yes, yes, they're
now. And Lutnick is on the board
who was Treasury Secretary on
chairman of the board. So it's
like musk doing sort of the
brain chip play, and you have
that play, and they both have
government, and they would, you
that web need government
products on the market. I don't
disturbing setup for Internet of
I think there's going to be a
is sold to a reluctant audience,
think, but probably not
there's plenty of people on the
interested in this, in this
sort of seen people sort of in
say things like, mRNA is fine as
sort of, kind of changing the
little bit already, or we can't
the, of course, the Liberty
think you know, you've had,
that have tweeted very
releases being like, Neuralink,
that's very possible we could
don't know, I don't know exactly
to use that stuff, but I think
getting it through FDA approval
I mean, like, it seems like
know, big capital or big
it's the national security
these phantom enemies. I'm
called drug cartels do not exist
author's name, actually, but,
the the creation of a phantom
this ever changing thing. And, I
yeah, and basically the that
kind of everything that they
would normally be met with
kind of tends to work. I mean,
internet was first coming out,
surveillance by the military
was actually a lot of resistance
were trying to utilize
places to develop this stuff by
know, radical and anti war at
know, no one really cares. I was
center for forecasting and
wrote for your website for
know, I told them, oh, well,
there's this apparatus between
Valley, and they're trying to
they occur, so that they can
specified at certain communities
friend said, Isn't that a good
sell it as a good thing.
go. We don't have to lock down
to lock down the areas that need
and that. And then that's
everyone. But specifically at
skeptical of the more universal
intervention policies during
more objective, and it's just
down, right? But, but the thing
important, worth noting
forecasting and outbreak
it. Basically, the Center for
analytics seems to be the office
out what the CDC calls its
they want to create this
sector and interagency partners,
analyzing and collecting bio
outbreaks and correspondingly
when they happen or may happen,
and out and and that strategy of
from the total Information
covered extensively you can
much, yes, Yeah,
and that's important,
awareness for awareness program
program, and it sought to use,
financial records. And I mean at
everything about you,
available at
the total they really meant
yeah, at the time, I don't
Apple watches and Fitbits and
iPhones. Wanted them, and
and to stop terrorism before
could see, like, if you go back,
ideas are not old. When
time he called on Silicon Valley
mass shooters before they
Harpa program that his
basically offering to do that by
posts through AI to determine
warning signs of
probably would be literally
know,
yeah, and then, and then
can't remember his exact
investor in it, or it was a seed
actually scanned main investor,
Did that exact strategy, you
think, via AI, yes, track down
6 protest and arrest them. And a
know, like, I mean, there's
trial. I think, Well, I think
actually. But up until recently,
bragged about using facial
arrested by law enforcement.
realize is that this is really
domestic terror. There were
Gates, but also maybe tech
about combining national
And that is why Palantir is
security state, and they're also
to fuse those two things into
probably do it, or the easiest
consent for that, is what they
anthrax attacks and and talk
there was a, there was sort of
narratives in early COVID. 19
and giving people COVID That was
that happened. Those were real
monger this type of stuff. And I
and you know, they're not a
recycle a lot of their
playbooks. Look no further than
I think people should be very
it's going to be framed as a
have to lock down this community
whole country, and people that
I'm sure many of them will
this was actually tested out
basically the Israeli equivalent
COVID 19 response, and I say
contracting contract with
Israeli equivalent of that in
called diagnostic robotics, and
basically predict COVID
they happen by then Governor of
later became Biden's Commerce
believe their own numbers, they
leaflets and stuff, say that
accurate, and that's not
it's probably lower than what
sales pitch. So maybe it's 60%
getting dangerously closer. In
same as a coin toss. You're
entire local economies based on
accurate. So I would argue that
taking away, um, people's civil
And if it's about, you know,
accurate either, and not totally
ethnic minority needs the shot,
exactly what Palantir did under
what their Tiberius program,
the it definitely becomes very
collective punishment, maybe in
19 era. But this is ultimately
personalizing things, whether
or personalized, localized
goal. And a lot of this stuff,
era, you know, the antecedents
and and first attempted, you
era. I don't know, it seems like
gone away. And actually, you
information awareness programs,
Bio surveillance, and some of
surveilling wastewater to
happens. And that was literally
during COVID in that Palantir
that Palantir is just the
information awareness, because
to the guy running total
basically like, tell us what to
a private company now that
Congress, and then get all this
people at the CIA that we're
awareness with the DARPA people
main funders of Palantir with
know, but I should say, in the
theme, that Palantir itself
algorithm at PayPal, and PayPal
a concept. Sequence of its
conversations with every three
them. That's according to PayPal
gave a spirited defense of NSA
Snowden era. So so much for that
PayPal crowd, but that's fine,
you know, like you're
are going to be dictating
communities, maybe individuals.
Center for forecasting and
with this bio data is use it to
rights of communities. So
go and enter it. I'm presuming
yeah,
the whole Oh no, that sounds
were calling 15 minute cities
hey, but it's our elites that
yeah, Barry Weiss did an
forgot exactly what counter
Yes, they're so different,
yeah, evidenced by Elon Musk
the name of the government
talking with Google, DeepMind AI
helping dictate which
everything. So they're totally
you know, like, regarding, like,
hallucinations, I guess, that
experiences, where they aren't
mean, just for example, how,
are pretty inaccurate, are
time I've used them. You know, I
are inaccurate, I can't imagine
are, but, but they
don't need to be accurate. I
lot of over hype issues, and a
the biggest AI companies,
big tech companies making them
whatever. A lot of them have
connections from their origins
those agencies, at which point
really need the perception that
anyway. And I don't think you
up earlier about like Ellison
will have people be on their
the Panopticon and all of that
being watched constantly, but
watched, so that induces
correct behavior. And so you
idea that the algorithm is
it's not accurate, it can still,
the same consequences, as long
And I think there's a lot of
that's pretty clear for the
trying to manage how the public
sort of AI surveillance systems
kind of panopticon effect,
they're really in these
work very much, you know, as an
enforcement use of AI in
contract with, I forget what
notoriously inaccurate. They
recognitions of all sorts of
came out that it was like
dismal, and they made no effort
Why would that be? Because they
because if they did care, they
There's no shortage of people
But the idea is that there's,
But it's important to point out
racially biased, which, you
my work in the COVID era, there
that have rebranded Bill Gates
figure pushing policies
know, I think people should be
when Palantir has evolved
bias and things like pre crime,
policing, and also in warp
Peter Thiel and Alex carp like
stuff. Like Alex carp is, like,
Americans are going to push him
because he's half black and half
amazed I haven't been murdered
think that sounds like a sane
much power over our surveillance
that's going to have the power
decide what, quote, unquote,
prescribed by the state in some
event or whatever that's I mean,
feel like I'm ranting here
we could cover, and I think
we usually wrap this podcast up.
like to note on any of these
further reading you might want
Yeah. I mean, I would say
if they can. I where they could
Hangout premium member, so I got
Revolution, Final Coup D'etat by
interesting regarding this stuff
bigger picture elements and the
to us versus the way that it
because, I mean, you talk about
perfect example of how AI does
these things, these, you know,
experience I have in my limited
remember I remember I talked to
Oh, my God, ChatGPT is amazing.
gets it right every time. And I
Every time I've asked it
that it gets it wrong almost
example, the other day, I saw
is named Karoline Leavitt. I was
related to Mike Leavitt. So I
it would say. And I was like,
Karoline Leavitt's Father, I looked it up.
That's not true. Oh, sorry, it's
true either. Oh, they're
it kind of went wrong like five
question, yeah.
Well, I think there are
effectively. I've heard from
coding, for example, and some
code that it makes has to go
like by a human and stuff. I
I'm not, I'm not a big AI
as people who follow my work
think the point here, whether
skeptic, is that a lot of the
for at the law enforcement,
also in healthcare, the accuracy
because there's, you know, if
give it human oversight, which
it's pretty minimal, I think.
world of autonomous warfare and
probably become, you know, less
I think people should be, you
know that that accuracy matters.
before we wrap up here, as it
coming on the market in
next four years. If people want
policy level that may actually
with mRNA in it be labeled,
that has that was injected, the
why it was alive, like in the
pharmaceutical system, I think
so, you know, if we can't
that it'll be kept the market,
or something like that, I think
would be kind of practical to
at the very least, about what
material and which ones do not.
Yeah, and RFK is actually
pushing, I think more lately has
So if the Trump campaign really,
really does support RFK, then
I kind of doubt it. Well, see,
and yeah, I mean, I don't have
is, because I don't think we got
the center for forecasting and
know, I would say the big
it's the resurrection of the bio
information awareness, and the
center dedicated to carrying out
predict pandemics constantly the
current public health agency and
really resurrecting that and
we'll see a concrete way
going to. Yeah, and the reason
pairing with total information
that it taps has a it's dual
like, like you just mentioned
things. That might be true, but
of the people that are
actually want to do, and what
ideologies are. And it just so
surveillance data is just as
which Thiel, which, as you
carp and Peter Thiel just
killed it, and so that's
anyone that might see this
beneficial, because I understand
someone that has an Apple watch,
it automatically called an
said that their Apple Watch
why it's enticing, but those
apparent, if you look at the
have to be considered. So that's
Well, I think those are
also add too, that, you know,
needs to be seen for what it is.
been rebranded. This is like a
really goes back to the Reagan
using, you know, this type of
including the person that, you
awareness and is considered the
surveillance, John Poindexter,
highest ranking member of the
indicted as part of Iran Contra.
develop a similar surveillance
of clamping down on domestic
vaguely defined national
the state. This is not good. The
this kind of power and this kind
former NSA and CIA director,
with metadata. People need to be
data you're willingly going to
government, and when you're
into what your internal body is
your you know of the brain chip,
thinking. And it doesn't even
chip anymore, if you believe any
sales pitches of technology
think we need to be really aware
it's someone for people that
Actually, a big tech, beloved
made it quite clear how this
what he calls the end of free
just completely unprecedented,
if you're externally expressing
politician, if you're internally
response, they can, as he says,
Morning. That doesn't really
not that it would happen
be sort of coaxed into this,
big tech bros with ties to the
best interests at heart when
of implementing these, you know,
neoconservative agenda, you
dangers that come with that. So
your work?
Yeah, so I have Twitter,
It's at Maxie Jones, so that's
Jones, J, O, N, E, S, and I also
I don't really use that much,
called anti Jones, dot sub
yeah, okay, that's what it's
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Thanks, Whitney.