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know, doing swimmingly here to
get asked about the most, and
happening with it. And as I
much every sack sector is having
unquote, caused by by AI in the
is also one of these sectors,
even mainstream news,
a lot about the impacts of the
you know, it's also affecting
think, as well. So, you know,
the narratives that were fed
that it's gonna, you know,
it reduced tedious work, people
anymore, and sort of frame, you
leading us to the sort of Utopia
an ability for people to, you
tedious work, I guess, in in
generative AI, maybe producing
whatever, that can all be done
but you know, the consequence,
that we've seen recently are
big mass firings, that legacy
alternative media are cheering
it's necessarily something to
what you have is, you know, if
essentially synth ographers of
companies firing these
replacing them with generative
effective stenographer, and they
content, and they don't
it. So I don't think that's
independent media. It's not like
these, like, legacy media
producing less content, but I
people that are cheering it on,
mainstream media and whatever.
people and independent media,
us in independent media used to
adopted by a pretty decent
media these days, and it's, um,
mean, I'm sure some people in
Well, I know, they are a lot of
you know, frankly, that kind of
Chet GPT was sort of, like
know, they were saying that
like 90% of all content by 2025.
And I don't think that's
I don't know.
Well, and it's not also just,
that's going to be using it
independent media doesn't like
type of stuff that they do, you
themes, so it's like, it's not
you just because you think
or something like that. It's
everywhere, it's just a they
the work
well I also think a lot of this
emerging really AI dominance in
of impacts on the censorship
huge impact on independent media
well, I talked about this in a
Katherine Austin Fitz. And it's
because of how she runs for her
there, a lot of what I talked
and Schmidt book on AI. And they
goal is to have generative AI,
messaging, whether it's about
really messaging about anything,
then have that be curated by AI.
stuff that doesn't fit, you
want, you know, essentially as
Schmidt layout at all to be
like, on top of that managed by
written by people that's not
stick out to the AI, you know,
censor, which is not good. So,
people like, like, some of the
know, there's some convenience,
produce a wall of text in like
but it's, um, I think it's a bit
wonder a lot about, you know,
I've never used it, but as I
like an account. And so every
I'm sure sends back to the Sam
people are asking.
And it keeps your history so
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it keeps
I've heard I've seen people
delete everything. I asked it,
besides chat. GPT two, which is
know, can think of,
yeah, but I'm just sort of
these things that are novel, get
them without thinking about how
against you. So like, you know,
first came out, people were
ping my location and tell it
gonna, like, yes, link it to
post like, all my pictures and
then oh, it turns out, Facebook
to people like Peter Thiel, and
like, shouldn't give them our
if people don't even
remember when I was young, I
are. But I went to college and
were first coming around, and
was using the computer all the
that went to my school, who was
the Unabomber. He was really,
you know, just kind of reminded
thought about how he was kind of
being so paranoid, you know, and
I'm not going to, you know,
I thought about that, from the
Internet back in, like, you
people who, just from the time
just, you know, would tell
know, this is where I live.
like, you know, and all that
they don't remember what they've
told everything. Well,
I think like you get a
yours. And it's like, oh, this
stuff you're not thinking about
even though a lot of well,
funded a ton of these Silicon
everything that you know,
not super open about but like
documented that they can get
it's not really you know, yours
think it is anyway, going back
stuff, you know, people are
stuff. And then you have like
like aI quote, unquote, people,
therapists, AI, I don't know,
strain, I guess. And I
your interactions to and sending
But what really concerns me too
the end goal of this for the
people like Henry Kissinger and
basically everything we interact
online be produced and curated
interesting too, is there's been
people using AI. That way, you
disinformation and for ISIS is
stuff and, and all of these
that, you know, I think we'll
as it progresses, they'll try
certain people are allowed to
it stuff. You know what I mean?
there's so many of them. I
I sent you this link that
get an account on it. I think
something like that. But I mean,
know, I mean, there's so many of
prevent people from using them.
they can prevent them from
I mean, even Mark Zuckerberg,
know, his language model Lama.
make it open source, you know,
that's what people want.
Yeah, well, some people like
like, yeah, free of bad,
necessarily true, open source
people have to go in and audit
to audits, the code, you know,
know, I've talked a lot about
to, like, regulate the internet
definite definite policy goal.
they succeed in that, and
galvanizing event that makes
internet and all of that stuff,
know, there would be
AI for information. And, and who
stuff in this Kissinger summit
outline about how to use AI to
And a lot of in a lot of ways I
the flow of information. So
I mean, this isn't necessarily
like with the invention of like,
the Democrats possession of
get it, you know, out there, you
like, very controlled, and like
church. Yeah, specifically, and
like clergy, or like specific
and like, learn to read. And all
idea that they these guys lay
take us back to that, which is
sold as like it as enhancing
and you won't have to do tedious
of the justification for pushing
basic income, and in all of the
know, the way like these guys
this is beginning to manifest as
and in some sectors, and surely
think we're going to be seeing
store and more and more. So
I read this book, too. And
I, you know, I've heard how you
of the book, and I think I agree
veiling their true thoughts, but
are truly concerned? I mean,
are dangers with the AI and and
the right way. And it seems like
the dangers. Yeah. But
I think the way these people
some dangers, and some of the
their solutions to those dangers
whole time, but the benefit to
whatever they're like proposing,
afraid of this. And this is the
it's not the only reasonable
I mean, Eric Schmidt is is also
wrote this saying, like, we have
accounts to their IDs, so that
enforcement when they like post
I can't even believe that
if I'm not doing something
really can't understand. Wow,
do. It's
like it's very naive,
consider how AI is being used
facial recognition and stuff,
issues in the UK with them
time facial recognition
accuracy is like super low.
like they're not going back and
changing providers, like if you
meaningfully trying to like make
that works. You would go and try
that has higher accuracy. Yeah,
shown no interest in doing that.
they're trying to do. I mean, it
Brazil, I think you said you
this 1985 Like sci fi movie, one
made it, but it's not a comedy
off with the, you know, it's
sort of, you know, just like a
famous British dystopian, you
basically, like, they make a
the ministry of information, or
flying falls, and in like, the
arrest warrant. And so like, one
last name. And so they go and
interrogating and murdering,
these other people that tried
arrest, or like, try and rectify
government know, they made a
over the course of the movie,
tortured and stuff. And it's be
of the of the movie, I think, in
the, the state, the government,
isn't necessarily interested in
because the system, like a total
virtue of like, the fear of that
keep people in line, you know,
kind of reminds me of like,
movies. And it's kind of like,
these horrible things that they
people aren't, they're okay with
horrible things that they've
Well, I mean, it's a way of
a way you're like, desensitizing
But when I was saying about
philosopher who's like, name I'm
I'm really just bad in general
offense to anyone, but it's like
that. Like faux faux call was
So anyway, the people at
and Alex carps company, but if
the privatized version of total
love that guy and have like
New York Times has like a big
or 2020, somewhere in there, and
picture. And that guy basically
the idea of of panopticon, which
Brazil, which is the idea that
watched, especially if, you
like, something authoritarian,
like self regulate your
not about it being accurate or
know, what they care about is
because, you know, it means
you'll regulate your own
censor, in all senses, you know,
online, but like how you act
know, that it's like watching
for that to happen. They don't
like inducing that effect at
AI, you know, facial
algorithms are put in charge of
these guys, it doesn't really
don't they're none of them are
being rolled out to decide, like
enforcement, and governance and
know, I think that's something
about enough. I mean, I'm sure
know, corporate grift Enos of
brother's company, and I'm gonna
though their AI algorithm is
like, I'm sure there's a degree
ultimately, like they're not
hyper efficient, like it, is it
things it's being sold as, like
and has big in in when applied
settings, or which have the
and who dies just like military
really big issue. Well,
and you don't know when it's
problem is like, if you could
was hallucinating, that wouldn't
sometimes you know, I've
out, I didn't want to do it at
something may be kind of look at
kind of checked it out a little
mistakes, it just makes stuff
up court cases, studies, it'll
don't exist numbers for court
know, so, but it seems like
read all these articles about
to court with some information
not even true. Yeah, insane.
Well, this is going back to
over mainstream media journalist
It's like, like, even more
Yeah.
Because if you're gonna have
says well, then what's the point
be using it to save time, but
check everything it says anyway,
you just believe everything
because it's sold to you as
intelligent. You know, that's
Schmitt AI book is full of Shi
if they were being honest about
this stuff, and not just using
give their veiled plans, you
public, they would definitely
accuracy problems that
phenomenon. And instead, they're
undiscovered worlds basically.
realities that we cannot see.
intelligent AI to be our guide
whatever. And like no, because
documented things that these
there's no guarantee that that's
and observe it, like aI produces
produces output that is
these guys don't acknowledge
frame it as as something that
that it's superior to us. And
want us to think and to put like
there's these different groups
like religion around AI that
in sort of related fields, sort
called themselves data s. And
Silicon Valley that's tried to
writing sermons and some
a little weird. So they
think that whole narrative that
that it's errors aren't really
realities that are just hidden
not just trust that narrative
basically telling us not to
anymore. And saying, We should
is a major theme in that
say that that will happen
isn't involved with programming
underclass, but the idea here,
this in this book is about how
decisions for us, right. And
decisions, necessarily, but
listen to, like the algorithm on
cultivating our learning our
subtly cultivating our
stuff. And then eventually,
without it, that's essentially
they talk a lot about that. And,
broader implications that like,
AI summarize stuff, that's long,
you know, and without AI like
thing or that thing for us, like
like the AI summary are the
grow accustomed to when all of
say that this particular class
point won't understand AI at
is acting on them, that they'll
in this large underclass,
being acted upon and watched by
what it's doing to them is
disturbing. But they, again,
know, close, that is like, Oh,
things, but they cast them as
and then you know, I mean, the
Schmidt is like one of the
through his work with like the
AI and his, like extreme
administration, science policy.
And it's funding salaries of
people, it's totally illegal, he
And then also dominating how
military and the intelligence
of power for one guy. And so he,
know, make anything happen,
implementation in the US. And so
talking about, I mean, it's all,
with it, I mean, with the book,
book is actually saying, you
at this time, right now,
talking about it, and there's no
they have interim policies, but
that kind of feels like
they want right now, before,
into place.
Yeah, and I think, you know,
what you talked about how
different generative AI is like,
whatever. Yeah, I'm sure when
it so that those, those little
better, whatever, in terms of
whatever, probably will not be
I mean, regulation in these
like, you know, like the coming
these other like emerging
to them. I mean, Congress is
for the companies in this
they get to decide who continues
mean, obviously, some companies
regulations than others. And
that those companies have the
why those regulations are being
they go through and those
companies that, you know, are
regulations are pushed through,
when this happens in the States,
it's sort of started, I guess,
with like agriculture, it was
get big or get out, like, if
company, um, you know,
favors, you know, you know, and
these big, big ones that are,
be part of it. But they take out
regulate, you know,
at the West, there was a
remember who it was that was
about how in the future, they
about what they train their AIS
know, these are, so they want to
content from these companies
content to train AI. You know,
all these companies, you let us
we'll feed you know, feed people
Yeah. Which is sounds horrible.
there's a lot of that going
created like a stock exchange,
date company's data. And so they
exchange. And like all these
of their all of their data in
and then they can use it.
mean, obviously, a lot of
well, and you know, it's been in
don't have to worry about your
right. You know, I mean, maybe
sure, probably don't, or at
you know? Yeah, but I mean,
that data is the new oil and all
what people don't realize is
new oil, and they're making lots
you are not making any money.
hyper inflated away or trickling
they, you know, making a lot of
before.
Wow, depressing.
I'm sorry, I'm like a big
pill. I mean, I don't really
a sense, because I think it's
how these guys see this stuff,
otherwise, we can't really fight
right at the bottom and the way
think people need to start
you know, specifically like big
like there are one of the
using our data for bad things
control of the military. And the
honestly pretty insane. And then
era, they're trying to push
all of that, which is either
Silicon Valley people. I mean,
Schmidt is a big driver of that.
is Peter Thiel. And, you know,
guys with very deep ties to the
government. And I don't know, I
or developing these like
I mean, all of that sounds like
Well, war
is always like, the reason
reason for innovation, right? I
time, is about like,
innovation of killing
yourself be the one that
what you want. I mean, that's
innovation. Well, the last
like the Gaza conflict right now
And then the Ukraine conflict.
specifically for like US
specifically, the Peter Thiel
he's funding it, you know, in
and all of that a lot of it is
companies is Palmer Luckey,
Rift, like the virtual reality
where Peter Thiel was a big
made for help make Facebook the
his company is and drill which
these like autonomous drones and
surveillance towers that are on
this stuff. And, you know, it's
Peter Thiel funded thing like
facial recognition thing where
from Facebook and including
Facebook accounts, but other
and like uploaded it to Facebook
make this engine for crazy,
You just mentioned the
wanted to mention this, because
lot of people know this, but
lives in a constitution free
live within like, yeah. When you
distance between borders, then
free zones. And about 60% of the
That's insane. Yeah,
because if you think of
coastal areas as borders, right.
like California, all of Florida.
Yep.
And I think it's like 100
that. Something
like that. Yeah. Well, it's
given all like the stuff going
Texas, specifically in this
states and the federal
But honestly, I think a decent
manufactured, because bad things
likely to play out, as a
been saying for a long time to
gets particularly dicey, or, you
overreach, and people get too
like, specifically the stuff
mean, it's there, and it's
it for people coming in. Right.
also keep people from like,
You know, it's not just, I don't
border border thing, I mean,
there's a lot of stuff going on.
going to be the year of
and I think a lot of that is
know,
right. The process of
it's, you can just look at
censorship, it's almost
decision. Well,
sure. And then you have on
on social media stuff alone. I
at least the US military has,
making like social media bot
generative AI which now like
has like a thing with the
the most sophisticated bots Like
and stuff like that. And I just
realize that when they're
many people think like, although
know, people that are boosted by
is organic because people like
like the the video, the pop
played over and over again or
again, because people want that
that. It's because that's what
they want you to see. Right. And
because everyone assumes, oh,
I'm seeing so much of this or
must be popular. Right? Well,
completely like off. I mean, not
times it's manufactured.
Yeah, you have to wonder
person so popular? And I've
would think you would have heard
if it was real?
Yeah, well, you know,
specifically, or x or or
know, there's been this whole
people that promote Elon get
monetization and, and what have
whole effort to like Co Op the
you know, a lot of the people
measures and against, you know,
them into being like, you know,
who's a contractor for military
know,
I saw RFK, praising Ilan the
providing a free speech
Oh, I missed that. But it's
That's unfortunate. Well, Alex
secede and elect Elon Musk as
so um, you know, social media,
these days. And it's all about
reality, a specific way. And I
to basically, you know, through
means, among others, get
people on the right, that don't
feel like their guy won, meaning
know, a lot more acquiescent and
this stuff. Because I mean, just
COVID, you know, yeah. Trump
elites. And, you know, he's sort
establishment cred, I guess. But
trying to take him off the
some of his biggest and sort of
Jones, I guess, you know, he's,
rehabilitated. As like a pro
Trump once again, despite all
you know, sell, you know, Trump
save America, yada, yada, yada.
forget.
I can't blame people for
you have to look at what we have
not doing anything for people.
Well, exactly. But people
paradigm works. Right. So you
right hand of the same thing?
a mess of things. And the other
cleans it up offering the
whole time, but it's cheered on
problem created, by the other
All this stuff with the border
it's obvious that the the group
that is going to be the party
on terror, and tough on crime,
policies are going to be
Americans, right? Make no
going to be a push for ID
And it's going to be digital ID,
right to cheer it on. Because
the guns, you know, and can
to an extent and make it harder
basically sign up that segment
else to get, you know, what they
of the stuff that's being set up
like it's incompetence. It's not
to grow into this insane
in with very heavy handed
it's likely they'll have that
solutions instead of Biden.
Because people seem to like
I mean, he did offerees I
right. I mean, he did it
an insane amount of his base was
lot of his base remember it as
Biden's vaccine, like Trump
And that's the I mean, that's
paradigm works. You can like
current area, current
acts like he's going to be all
at the end of the day. I mean,
came to power he like made this
like Larry Fink from BlackRock
these guys, and yes, super tight
warmongers and his his
on being against Neo cons, and
of these guys, that's very good
drastically different than their
that resonates with people. And
pushing forward and a lot of the
mean, when COVID happened, one
to was Larry Fink of Blackrock,
printed by the Fed, and they got
And all this stuff for COVID.
printed so much money, I mean,
against what he campaigned on,
forgotten about all of this. And
start any new wars. But he tried
to start a war with Iran. They
like one of the top Iranian
on a diplomatic mission, like
just did it. Like it's I don't
the way people have come to
power of, of how media can
that's independent media,
Trump's base to feel that way.
dissident right base to go back
and it's because precisely a lot
against the mainstream media.
effective, imagine how effective
all this AI stuff. You know, not
the strategy they've had for a
flood the zone strategy, where
messaging and a particular way
AI, like, oh, my gosh, you can
before, you know? Yeah.
I don't understand. I mean,
really easy to make people
side of the bankers, people hate
it's so hard to make the
you look at his history in New
happened with the, you know, all
I mean, he's on their
bankruptcies. Yeah. Yeah,
bankruptcy, he made Secretary of
who was worked for I think it
the Rothschild Bank, maybe one
is what rescued Trump from
know. I mean, I think it is
to by default is like, oh, but
Trump? And they meaning like the
like, if they really wanted to
already, you know, and by these
going to stop him, but they're
making like this media hoopla
manufacturing trust. And this
Economic Forum right now, where
the board, is how to rebuild
theme. It's been their it was
their theme, I think, last year
focused on rebuilding trust. I
someone at the WEF? Like Javier
audience to come up? And, and,
yeah, he got up there, and he
think that's what's happening.
that there's this phase shift
sell the same agendas. The the,
movement in the US is against,
sees as an example, but it's a
in that they want to sell that
talking points about it being
or for whatever, they're
people that are right leaning. I
like with Larry Fink, who's like
was all about, like ESG climate
leaning talking points, and now
being like, well, we should do
not you know, for the planet or
inclusivity and talk Two points
he's saying, Oh, well, you can
And everyone can make a lot of
sort of talking about, like, you
and stuff like that. And I mean,
doing. And like Malay came to
to Trump having sort of like
that resonated with people who
class. And I mean, it was
also cathartic with Malay to
power establishment that have
everyone hates, you know, but
gets into office and after
establishment, he puts the
power, not the one he just
leaning one, he went back to the
center right party guy, Mauricio
from his administration and put
finance minister, he can paint
know, an anarchist, and all this
top economics guy and finance
know, Latin American point, man
and stuff. Like, it's not good,
with the IMF. And he everyone in
they've been trying to privatize
force austerity on them and
done everything the IMF wanted
without the whole, like, debt
very nuts. And so I think the
there is just indicative that,
trust, people that are against
have certain political
out there and have people trust
will deliver the policy goals,
guys have wanted all along. And
thing is going to be sold as
issue. We have the know who
standing Republican push for
yeah, this is like, I mean,
this stuff. And immediately,
side or another, I'm on neither
there, they'll just, you know,
be like, Oh, well, you know,
But it has to be digital, or
like Ron DeSantis, who were, you
CBDCs, for example, like digital
Florida. So he's not against
CBDCs. But you know, I've done
recently about how that's like,
instead of a cbdc, like, issued
they're going to do it, but it's
Street. And it's not going to be
going to be the same thing. So
you know what I mean? I mean, I
about this. But I honestly feel
shift here to try and move to
dissident, right? And oh, yeah,
and we're free, and all of this
back into office and like, save
It's, I don't know, people just
last time. And no one does. I
was reading something about
verification, you know, to
something like that. But then
being like, well, it could be a
And so then the solution to that
was from, like, one of these
know, government press release
that they were looking at banks,
know, so it'd be Yeah, you would
your bank. Yep. Online.
Sounds about right. Yeah.
bankers are driving a lot of
scene, digital ID thing. I mean,
Sustainable Development Goals,
country has pretty much signed
together. They must as as as
most of the stuff at the UN,
finance and climate action
STG stuff. It's been written by
bankers. People assume it's
are somehow like not like, you
in their field, sort of like the
trust style thing. No, it's not
written by bankers about how to
children and all generations to
everybody and everything alive
traded on, like blockchain
it's totally insane. When you
and I just, I can't stand it.
the UN is on their side here.
stuff was written by, by
yeah, I mean, a lot of the stuff
the push for like a regulated
intelligence agencies, pretty
finance thing is like, oh, we
this stuff. And they put Mark
charge of it, we're like, the
mean, really powerful people who
like, stepping on people's
their way to the top. And you're
like, are setting up all these
the planet, it's madness. And
they're just like, creating,
can tokenize and like, turn
assets, and, you know, financial
I mean, these guys don't really
they, but they've spent a lot of
well, they spent a lot of money,
public relations to convince us
obviously, their actions,
bankers, I mean, it makes it
they're motivated by, and I
money. You know, I think, you
that talk about these agendas,
said about how it's really more
this point. But I think, you
their interests and control is
they love to control people as
there's people that are in it
that, but I think there's some
necessary for I guess, risk
they see, like an on sort of
the public if the masses were
view that as like just
and makes it harder for them to
know what I mean? And I think a
is also like, predicated on them
with the masses, because they
in other ways, or they steal
maintain their specific
have, like, no intention of
think it sort of comes down to
mean, I'm sure they see it as
And like big parts of the elite.
there too, is that, like, what
they see as chaos. And I think
human creativity, or like,
controlled, like buying
going to be viewed as inherently
unless they can, like, extreme
extreme extreme degrees, they'll
away all the risk of there being
people on the planet that aren't
they want to do every time. You
money and so much effort into
allowing them to do that at
unprecedented ways. And a lot of
book is essentially using AI AI
that aren't even necessarily
big part of that is because, you
impression of this creativity
consciousness and of this stuff
interested, but with a lot less
you know, something happening
synthetic thing like AI, you
Yeah. When we were talking
just kind of, you know, talking
something about, they want
really kind of like mind blowing
about it all that time about the
understand how they think this
building on top of lies. You
the training from the media and
So how are they expecting to get
know, a I models that they're
that they don't care while
predictability. And that was
I thought about it, because I
assumed that that's what they
what they care about. They care
well, they tell you, they
it's just like, you know, how a
inaccurate, like we were talking
it's going to make things more
selling point. But it doesn't
like, a lot of the time, it's
They just want it to be like in
can manipulate. And then if it
up, like, you know, like happens
stuff. They'll just cover it up
that know about the mistake and
going because it's not it's not
it's like not about accuracy.
misinformation, so the truth can
creating, essentially
AI, and changing how we perceive
dependent on AI to perceive
how people receive reality, you
right. And so this is like an
able to push humans into a
it operates. And I think a lot
that they plan for AI that isn't
of it with health care, and
the Internet of bodies, and the
escalating a lot, and like AI
genome and, and all of this
just trying to like tweak a
nothing unpredictable that
why, you know, pretty much not,
necessarily every sector AI is
them have an extreme focus on
stuff. Like predicting what
do it. And it's all about like,
happen. And all of this stuff,
end of the day, it's so like,
like, uprisings from the little
micromanage it all. And I think,
too, when you tie in, like the
and like healthcare, posturing
basically, you know, tweak
survive in the system, they're
dependence on AI, I think they
cognitive, like is sort of laid
stuff. But I think they want it
the future, like be biological,
dependencies on this stuff, I
transhumanism thing, maybe an
about. So much, just like just
without these. I mean, we're
big tech, and all that for,
but we're not necessarily like,
actually live, you know, like,
away and like unplug and stuff.
couple of different, you know,
want that there's like, the data
some of these people. And
know, as I've talked about
religious overtones on that's
whole trans transhumanist
think it's also like just people
some sort of system that keeps
trapped, and we're producing all
run the economy now. And moving
they call it like the data
of like, the DNA economy and how
data and like all of this stuff.
applications of a lot of stuff
some of these powerful people,
take all of this stuff to like,
lot of people haven't, like,
there's this thing that I've
the article is not out yet, but
that's about the broader, like,
Fink talked about the
how everything's going to be
traded on on blockchain and they
not just like things that are
it's not just I mean, they want
every living thing, natural
I've touched on before him on
capital natural asset
like, there's people tokenizing
future profits, like from their
themselves. They're like, like
their creativity. So we can be
make them money and stuff. Oh,
stuff. Yeah, it's really crazy.
this stuff is leading. If these
like, essentially everything on
be like, traded on a blockchain
product. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It Wall
not all just Wall Street. But
of of the, you know, the power
they control the money. Right?
banking in the United States.
of influence over things that
I think sometimes people point
think what we're meant to do,
at this politician or that
also know, and this should know,
funded by people and their ideas
time, and they're just like, you
do, and saying what they're told
politician rolled out, but they
people that, you know, tell them
speeches and like, coach them on
policies. It's like, not all
work for think tanks funded by
know, people don't look at those
time, they just want you focused
we really shouldn't be doing
if there's anything we've
COVID era, it's that there's a
people assumed. And there's a
right now. And honestly, a lot
on in the financial space right
trying to literally turn
think of into like money or an
fractionalize meaning like, cut
tokenize make a token of it so
rob you in unprecedented ways,
being pitched before was stuff
this, like for the planet, like
with carbon in it, which is like
life. Right. tokenize
we were doing it for the planet.
people like Larry Fink, like I
through, like this big shift and
that kind of stuff anymore. It's
much money you can make by
property, your land holdings,
collateral on loans. Oh, look,
guess. BlackRock owns, you know,
And then they'll eventually own
because everything when you
push also to like, fractionalize
ownership. That is like the
happy thing. You know,
everything. And it's being
decentralized, like, right
right now, between people like
stuff happening right now. And
might buy into it thinking like
this is, you know, a chance for
some wealth. But I mean, come
They don't want to share their
stolen wealth from you, and then
it back. And if they're going
try and get it back. Be very
because that's a way to get you
their existing talking points of
let's build a new better and
They know all of that is not
have all their best minds
suckered into the same system
And it's happening in real time.
is mostly about AI. And maybe
some other stuff too, but I
essentially every facet of life
lot going on with it that I feel
lot. So if it's cool with you
anything else that's related to
little bit about some of the AI
um, going on? Well, we touched
there's a little more I'd like
talking about like the AI
think that should be looked at
going on with like AI in the
you've heard about the use of
pick targets and it's
civilians, obviously, because of
the death toll is just like
the IDF won't say like, what the
targets, like what the
essentially, what you're having
lists for people. So like, back
remember star like back in the
having a kill list was like,
guess it's not because people
kill lists that are bigger and
transparency into them at all.
who lives and who dies, and what
happens when that gets, you
Ukraine also is a testbed for a
it's going to be weaponized
going to use it against their
know, populations they're at war
this stuff comes out of the box,
going to just be a war time
lot of like, historically, like
industry, they do a lot of like,
hate to call it that, because I
But, you know, they're, from
to say that their products are
they're blowing up kids and
marketing, that's how they say
do that, they sell this stuff
up getting used, I mean, a lot
example, that's framed as like
terrorists gets used by like, I
Emirates, or Saudi Arabia
as an example, you know, and so,
you know, I think one of the
be used for and why people
giving your data to it is that
used by governments to decide
necessarily who lives and who
But it could be, you know, in a
like, you know, more supply
the food system or whatever.
are essentially been obliterated
what happens if they roll back
some sort of system, like the UN
world coin system for, like,
have to, like scan your eyeball,
and your wallet, and it like,
wallet automatically when you
register by scanning your
the World Food Program is doing
day refugees around the world.
they'll be trying to do that,
welfare stuff, domestically, and
the AI determines, oh, this
shouldn't qualify, I mean, it
stuff. And to think, you know,
when it use it for those ends,
naive. And I think ultimately,
people that are sort of eugenics
me that a lot of them want AI
data of everyone because they
certain traits they want to
want to, you know, favor the
those people will get
the ones that, you know, have
not get selective treatment, you
has the potential for all of
advance enough, and you know,
now, I mean, a lot of people
ways, but I think also people
these people plan for AI, it's
livestock herder and like we are
to call and who not to call, who
know, and I think, I don't know.
giving it all of this power by
not divesting from these
saying they want to do that. So
time. Then to circle back to the
you know, if the people probe
and that are poised to set AI
after they make those
these groups, you know, program
know, can we use AI for positive
negative to negative? I mean, I
on on regulation? And if they
open source or alternative AI
I don't think that they can.
can stop them from existing? How
you can't have, you know, it's
genies already out? I don't
that, because I mean, there's so
AI systems that are already out
now. How are they? What are they
can't use it however way they
that's possible. Yeah, I
think I mean, I would
they're definitely going to try
when that happens, it's going to
internet than it is now. So if
going to persist, I tend to
some stuff would slip through
know, but I think, you know,
probably going to regulate like
they're going to decide like,
coins are okay, you know, which
okay, like, which, you know,
digital dollar, and which ones
make the regulation, so they,
And I think they'll probably do
intelligence. And I think it's,
regulated internet to come? The
like, oh, you know, there's
people that do bad things
activity, we have to end online
doing and says online. And so I
paradigm, like, they'll only
tracks and logs, everything
it back to the intelligence
people care about privacy. I
go along with that.
Yeah, I know. But the
infrastructure of the internet
When you think about it, like
basically on like, 13, or
yeah, that's pretty centralized.
some of the people that run
name system of the internet,
very tied up and all these
internet. And, you know, in
people's websites for
think there is going to be a
still be able to use it in ways
but you don't need to use it
that's the only people that are
are gonna be people that are
sophisticated technologically,
I understand what you're
it's not hard to install. You
computer right now, it's not
your computer. It's local,
you can put on your computer. So
I guess like some of the
trying to talk about, you know,
sending it back to them for
like all of the stuff, like
whatever. And if they want to,
thoughtcrime, and all this
they seem to be gearing up to
that? I mean, ideally, you would
your data that way and send it
they take the data off the
the chat JpT is no different
think there's much of a
But what I'm saying is like,
regulated, and then the internet
as my opinion. You know, and you
that paradigm. I think it's also
very unsafe. Yeah,
I don't agree with you that
that you know, you're giving
we're already giving it to them,
regardless of if we give it to
there's a lot of things that are
a tool like everything else, you
who use Bitcoin. People don't
technologies, right. But I think
is you have to know. I mean,
idealistic or wanting to be able
And I'm not even really using it
it to see, you know, kind of the
But I don't really think that
impactful, I think that you can
know, instead of deciding that
but I, you know, I feel like
of like, negative impacts of it
Well, I mean, I guess I could
you know, in terms of like, a
was like, the whole reason for,
Right. So like, the name
Lord of the Rings, and it's like
Rings that is, like, neither
powerful tool, and depending on
determines whether it's good or
much the same. And I think, you
they'll regulate for the purpose
possible in the hands of the bad
trying to say.
But AI is such a broad term.
about? Because AI, artificial
people have just started calling
chat DPT? You know, so like
Is that what we're talking
I'm not talking about
because that like generates text
it's very different than, like,
talking about in terms of like,
facial recognition, you know,
And, I mean, we didn't really
singularity, like artificial
Right. Yeah. But I mean,
different AI eyes, but I think
regulatory framework is passed
years is going to be focused on,
isn't under their control from
know, what does that, you know,
the masses, I mean, I think
out of it. But I think people
the risks. And that ultimately,
the elites in the sense of,
things they don't want, or, you
they're trying to create, and
tool, it's a powerful tool, it
cases. But can we make use of
and maintaining and dominating
what are people using AI for
excited about is using it to,
make pictures, you know, write
all kinds of computer programs
text, you know, there's, it's
know, a one size fits all type
can do everything instead of
these different apps and kind of
like, like a, just a better
in one. Yeah,
I mean, I get that I think
getting lulled into a spot where
Because you I mean, obviously,
think about like three years
writing with Chet GPT. And kids
writing essays or Chechi, teeing
learn how to write and like,
have down the line, especially
are saying, like, this is what
saying, This is what we want to
know,
do you think that people
computers? Yeah, I
mean, I'm sure they did, and
stuff, right. And I mean, I
were wrong about a lot of the
were never really I think, at a
risks. And it ended up like
consequences once like the
guess what I'm saying is people
the where they Wanna take this
for now, but just be aware of
like, make sure you have red
the stuff. And about, like, what
hammer comes in, and they try
entirely. Because I mean, like
people care about their privacy.
done a lot of work on this, you
about, there's definitely going
you know, privacy, online
only way to stop these cyber
to eliminate privacy online,
or unmask everyone, and we have
already have people like Jordan
this, Nikki Haley, and a bunch
right leaning. And then also
there's pushes for it, too. I
talked about thing, even Elon
was talking about like, verify
stuff, I think that is a red
have and not cross is when they
government issued ID to your
know why I think that please
on the war on domestic terror in
because honestly, it's targeting
mean, what would be viewed as
domestic terror stuff, but also
state or state policies or anti
that listen to this podcast
environmentalists are on there,
that it's like all, you know,
domestic terrorist stuff is all
who are at January 6, and blah,
people on the right on, you
don't know, Hamas supporters, or
what the rhetoric is at this
So. But ultimately, it's about
know, or isn't willing to comply
know, don't make it easy for
the thing about the ID stuff on
what you say online, and what
you linking your ID to that
visibility necessarily than
The difference is once they can
legally go after you. Because
everyone is technically illegal
can't prosecute you necessarily
illegally, you know, right. And
your ID, legally to it,
if they say this is a law to
using it with your, you know,
say, somebody else use my
Yeah. There's more of a gray
know, the illegal wiretapping
communications, they can't, I
that to get like warrants and
courts and stuff, but it's like,
with that, you know. And it's
everyone in jail. But you know,
administration, they almost
Harpa, that actually Biden ended
ARPA H. But it's like health,
it's the same people that were
administration to and the first
which was promoted by Jared
called safe homes. I've written
for something. And basically,
to go through social media posts
for early neuro psychiatric
of this being under the guise of
they happen in the US. It wasn't
flagged, and it sends people to
a court ordered psychologist and
like, put them under house
whole variant of there was a
can do to someone who gets
And the best way to not be
at all because again, AI is
in certain situations and
not be able to parse certain
at detecting sarcasm for
there these programs come to
very good, you know, because
caught up in this mess are going
basically. And it was pitched
happened. Biden created the
infrastructure for domestic
of program is going to be here
Trump. I mean, I don't think it
the Trump administration, they
something that like, hardly
created a pre crime program,
justice policy called Deep. You
and put them in prison for
That could escalate. I
feel like when you say,
I don't see a difference between
you know, whatever you mean, by
Yeah, I mean, I see what
what I mean, is like social
talking about, like, once you
like, once these programs get
to, like, hunt for domestic
easiest way to make it hard for
that system. It's weaponizing, a
against people, you know, in a
unconstitutional and completely
you know, it was great before to
people. And for certain things,
negative consequences, social
young people and stuff. Yeah.
illegalized social media, but
and use all of these things that
dependent on for various things.
Palantir model, this dual use
are trying to turn it to the
what I'm saying. So like, I
like, necessarily, like be a
these these things happen. Yeah,
programs come in, you should not
with something completely
with that system. Or you should,
bunch of shared servers. I mean,
people from making some sort of
can still do some of this stuff.
out, you know what I mean? My
centralization and how
the world are trying to use AI
definitely can't use their AI.
way to stop that. And it's and
the internet. Yeah. Because
doing similar things to both I
I think that, you know, the
know, there's like this, there's
know, and I think right now,
about the fact I read somebody
fact that a dog is talking, you
so much about the thing they're
what I can do. Yeah. But yeah,
that they have to control our
what we want, and by, you know,
instead of, you know, going to
mean, there's lots of things
think, I don't think they're
can't use a language model, you
think that that's going to
they're like, you have to
think that's likely?
I don't think that that's
can buy a computer, I think that
want on your computer. And
going to be able to stop you
program unless they make the
they going to make large
But if it's if it's if your
based thing, I mean, I think the
require most
of them do a lot of them.
use them. But like, they're not
corporation. Well, for
now. I mean, open AI and
Microsoft. And I'm sure a lot of
swallowed up.
Yeah, I mean, who knows
future, but I don't think that
plenty of people that are
make sure that that there's
corporately controlled I just
up like something that we can't
I'm just I'm sure some stuff
guess what I'm saying is that
so that you have to be really
sophisticated in order to do
I also don't agree with
install a program on your
people, there's so many people
help people divest from this
have to do is know how to get on
Well, you know, maybe this
you say the internet's totally
aren't even going to be able to
they're willing to give up, you
you have to decide, yeah, so,
awareness, you know, and that's
talk about to about that book
know if you want to talk about
go for it. Okay, well, I heard
in 1964. It's called
extensions of man, by Marshall
like, the father of modern media
came out, some ad executives
them on a tour of like, you
a lot of TV shows and stuff,
like, like a Bernays, or
were like, really embracing his
talking about him. And so he is
phrase, the medium is the
thinks that we shouldn't
content of the medium is, but
study that when you're looking
Understanding media, the
medium, he says, it's an
technology. So like the wheel is
senses, he defines it as like an
abilities past ourselves. And so
is a medium, because that is an
bulb is an extension of our
allows us to sense further than
how we used to be in the
be like the wheel and stuff like
electric age. So when he talks
of ourselves, it's basically
central nervous system. Because
things that we can't see right
we're in the electric age, we
instantaneous, you know, we can
Right away, whatever we want.
what we have to consider is the
of the designs or patterns as
existing processes. So when
message is the ways that it
what I think that we need to do,
of examine it in a way where we
you know, the content that it
And, you know, we talked about
that brings when you when you
allows you to understand it in a
focusing on what it's doing.
can think about what it's doing
once we understand that, then we
do that, decide if we don't want
of stuff. So
if you if you look at you
iteration of this extension of
I guess then people coming in to
of, you know, being part of the
sense and understand the world
information, truthful
that out. It's like an a way of
iteration of that to like, lead
know? Yeah, like instead of
our reality and understanding
like a closed off system,
of trapping our central nervous
totally sort of how I
see. So I guess then in the
decision of how how do we avert
that diversionary way by the
thing that sort of helps us to
information? And I think
who's, you know, making the
the AI industry, and how can we
prevent this extreme Central,
it?
I guess I don't really think
centralized the control of AI as
Well, I hope not. But I
like, what people are going to
see right now is that the people
are like, much more
than everyone else that's using
And then it's easier to just
than to try and like, you know,
Yeah, yeah, totally. Totally. I
you. I mean, I know it sounds
you agree, no, no, but I
helps me explain it better.
Like, no, I love it. Because
heard you talk about the book,
book, but I haven't heard your
interesting that he talks about
shapes our identity. And that
from the previous medium. So
the previous medium, which was
manuscripts and stuff, and then
like radio and TV, so like TV
plays and stuff like that. And
past, the new media shows us the
idea of what the past was,
us the past. It's kind of
shapes our identity. I found it
writers and stuff like that are
threatened right now by AI as
jobs, you know, and their
away. But it's just interesting,
threat to their identity. As
Sure. Yeah. Kind of
that way. But yeah, yeah. No,
heard that somewhere before. And
something I've thought about
I've said this, and I think some
ago, um, you know, in terms of
information, like why it's so
know, is because it like shapes
identities are shaped by like,
we come from, you know, it's all
also like, you know, human
families of our communities, our
people control how history is
but how it's like, remembered,
memory, then they can control
people perceive them. And so I
like, extreme control over like
now. And I think they're
those ends, which, again, is why
people have physical books. And
have offline copies of other
read, you know, yeah, it's good
brain as you age and all of that
of getting phased out at the
and I think we should definitely
if they centralized control
they'll invariably control all
we got here, all of that, and
the winners are, and who, you
I think can't
learn from the past if they
Yeah.
Or if the pastor being told
think a lot of you know, my
also like my book and stuff, you
find, you know, what really
here and just trying to answer
did Epstein how happen, you
lot more than that. But that's
those questions. And there's a
intentionally hidden from us if
texts, you know, historical
that these people, right, they
that oftentimes are not
used to like shape identity. So
school, American history
textbook I ever, like,
like, the US government is like
this steady stream of progress,
it's so great and protects
stuff. And then you find out the
what, you know, I mean, I'm
listening to this podcast, so
degree, but what happens when
finding out what's going on,
anymore? And how will that
them to, you know, feel about
know, that's, that's part of it.
terms of our understanding of
so little we know, about, like,
that, and one of the reasons
the whole, like, burning of the
of that, but with the internet,
down the internet, and try and
could do something like that,
version of that. Yeah, because
knowledge and books that aren't
things, purely online. And so
like to tell people to try and
physical library, you know,
interested and purging, you
don't favor their, how they want
again, this is all about
intention of, you know,
of that is memory. And a lot of
ultimately, you know, it comes
ultimately, you know, yeah,
soapbox about identity and
Okay, so I have two more
okay, so I want to read this
another one. If we understand
transformations caused by new
control them. But if we continue
trance, we will be their slaves.
discussion. This is why we need
what it's doing to us and
the self induced induced
about this a lot in this book,
So here's another quote from the
of two media is a moment of
new form is born. For the
us on the frontiers between
narcissist narcosis the moments
moment of freedom and release
numbness imposed by them on our
right now. You know, we're not
right there at that spot where
what we're going to do. You
that's why we're having this
aware of how AI changes the way
information and our
remain ignorant of the
in. Yeah,
I mean, AI is rolled out as
happened with other stuff before
weary, were like, paying
moves from being a tool to
And there's always this phase at
people to like onboard to a
is open and useful like that,
You know, if people aren't weary
make sure you're using it in
is helping you not one that is
is endangering you in the event
terror, predictive policing,
all that stuff, when that gets
reconsider what you're doing.
you have to be aware of how
stuff through because if you
Oh, it's convenient, convenient,
historically to hurt people in a
good for them or for human
it ultimately leads to dumbing
there is In a progressive
definitely in the West. But
elsewhere too. And, you know, I
of intentionality behind that.
technology's fault, but it's
thing. And technology has been
engineering. So if you're going
technology, you have to be aware
to you. And there's an intention
who become dependent on it. So
you have to keep your
tool serving you. And your don't
tables don't turn and then
totally, but
it's dangerous, you know,
going into it, knowing that
said, it's a narcosis, you know,
immersed and unaware, you know,
conveniences of it are much too
else. Yeah,
I mean, if you're one of the
can't handle that kind of
use it at all. No, yeah,
about it. But I mean, you know,
it's like a tool that can be
careful. And, I mean, it's
I go back to the social media
sold the people as Oh, you can
and it's gonna make things so
was no talk about all the data
turned out to be like a huge
actually made people more
more disconnected. Right? Yeah,
always have those consequences
media hadn't been so I don't
beginning it maybe it would have
also, like Facebook, for
making people more depressed by
certain way. So maybe they've
outcome of making people feel
know, more depressed when they
maybe it's intentional, and not
does that to people, I don't
like changed. I mean, people
discourse on social media than
world, you know, and it's
consequences that I think, you
necessarily think about, and
using it, you get acclimated,
it's, it wasn't normal, you
to be worried about that kind of
how they did it, you know,
using it, look how cool it is,
you're on it, you give all your
feeling diminished, you know?
Yeah. About this book, they
our central nervous system, we
this stuff that we can get, you
you know, and, you know, it's
and stuff like that. I think I'm
this book that I think is worth
talked about people should read
reading books, you've learned so
much more by reading and
thinking about it than you do
it. But not everybody can read.
lot of time to read everything
whatever. So I think I want to
show notes. So you know, people
going to take the time to read
ideas in the book, because I
things to consider, it's going
deciding where you're going to
Yeah,
I mean, I think it's really
know, think about this stuff,
you going to use it in such a
impact you think about what your
so that you don't cross them?
I think that's really the only
the stuff because to do it
risks are aware of some of the
serve and how it's meant how,
the field right now we're
us. You know, we have to be
it's not going to be used
much as we can control
that's probably a good place to,
thanks a lot star for being
listens to this podcast that is,
and myself even if star isn't,
the conversation. She's always
podcast. And with that being
who does the show notes for
if everyone listening takes time
you definitely should. And I'm
you why then starve yourself.
Thank you. I just wanted to,
when you, you know, you get your
there's the description, and
page in there. So you should go
there's all kinds of stuff on
talked about, you know, there's
like she's done an interview or
related to what she talks about,
Everybody knows what show notes
there's like playlists of clips
of stuff like that. So
show notes page. And I wanted to
out the website, too. You know,
a lot of time exploring, you
see a link to an article or
a lot of stuff on there. Like,
asking how can I find out where
stuff like that there's a press
we put all of her interviews on
like an awesome search bar on
interested in something like you
the search bar. And if Whitney's
she's done an article on it, if
up. It's great, really awesome.
fact on the website, the
there's the page, and it's got
stuff like how to follow a
technology that's used in
podcasts publish a new episode,
app. That's RSS. So you can do
whenever a website publishes
in your app, it's great. And
to mention that you should
podcasting 2.0 app, which is,
got more advanced features, it's
and you can make clips, you can
lightning payments to the
kinds of really cool features,
on something that supports that
this app called pod verse. You
you can use the app it's called
your computer at pod verse.fm
about it and thank you to
because that also supports me
Yeah, so
thank you. Thank you to the
get to say that thank you
yeah, thanks
set out if you want no
it's fine. It's let me I
and has kept unlimited hangout
survived last year and some
her so she definitely deserves
thanks for everyone who's
and my work up up and you know
perverted producing as much
to keep members kind of updated
about how you know things with
you know, I had to move and all
happening and you know, there's
on but I'm hoping to get back to
thing pretty soon hopefully once
and in March which is a little
remember I live in the southern
backwards it's summer vacation
for everyone who's been you know
this crazy stuff. I'm sure
you're not just for me but but
say you know, thank you all for
continue to do this work and to
know support me and the site
thank you guys enough hopefully
Hopefully I'll get you know more
them out you know every two
starting now wish. Yeah, thanks,
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