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the sweeping global effort to
everything on the global unified
in order to enable the new
launch in earnest well before
year that a lot of this stuff
financial system rests on a few
interoperable digital ID and
allowed to be anonymous. There
privacy, interoperable digital
and private sector, programmable
and commodities this currency
tokenization of real world
the system involves the
of the natural world, which is
to tokenize representations of
stored and treated on a global
digital wallets and exchanges.
to carbon and water credits to
markets that are underpinned by
name only, and imposed upon the
it. However, the tokenization
capital. We have social capital,
plan is to have all of it even
surveilled and made tradable
and marketed as salvation,
economy, our society. But as we
marketing is all a ruse for
millions of dollars are being
the public from what is being
that they believe it will be too
in our recent articles have been
of the system. And another key
debt in this new monetary
sustainably develop the world.
it to rob pillage and
countries are gearing up to do
scale thanks to new technology,
protections against plunder by
that gave us the financial
savings and loans collapses in
different currencies in the
collateral mortgage obligations
to defeat them as to
trappings of altruism for planet
cloaked themselves and reveal
sucking us on the planet dry to
scheme. So without further ado,
today to talk about all the
recently. How're you doing?
Very well, Whitney, thank
here. I love unlimited hangout.
and work with you guys. So
absolutely. So you know, I
these pillars of the financial
sort of demystify for people.
places we could go here. But
what I alluded to in talking
securitization of the natural
recent, I guess, you could say
the carbon credit coup, that's
more serious, we'll see. So up
really done one interview
lot we didn't get into in that
obviously, a lot of ground was
like sort of succinctly, if
piece, but sort of succinctly
going on here in the context of
system that we are trying to
Yeah, totally. I mean, I
pretty wild. I think the story
has very specific components to
mentioned, you know, like people
know, scanned or like literally
the CDO cmo popping with like
again, but I think with this
you know, it really does. You
formation necessary to actually
system and all the different
There's a component of sub
government, you know, alliances,
satellite, you know, Earth
of, you know, leveraging the
actually trade and tokenize and
directly, you know, onto Bitcoin
course, there's like the
companies, the people that are
these carbon credits and, and,
allowing the trading and selling
these to, you know, to work in
government alliances. So, you
place to start, I think, in
sort of want us to go with the
of, of the new economy, because
you know, you've been writing
writing about is really showing
terrible word, because it means
this kind of conspiracy in the
all these people coming together
all the pieces are there. So I
kind of break it down and look
might make sense to start with
can kind of get to cc 35, get to
you want to maybe start off with
down? You know, why that's so
understanding this this formation?
Sure. So, yeah, essentially,
would guess, then it's about
but it refers to this program
launch. sometime this week,
scaling it, they've been
But, you know, watching it at
week. So essentially, what it's
various municipalities
of which have apparently signed
these contractual obligations
running green plus, which is run
groups that are, you know, we
about specifically in the
contractual obligations are
over essentially their protected
basically like farm carbon
idea is that they will be paid
money that these carbon credits
know, conservation and things
conservation has to be with an
consortium. And the type of ones
that are all into this
of, of nature, the so called
debt for nature swaps, things
the same thing we're talking
conserving anything
decarbonizing and decarbonizing
particular company that's
the consortium that's trying to
grid, you know, for power like
that's continent wide. So it's
technocratic system under the
protecting the forest and
you know, those are the words
know, they're actually
building you know, the grid of
been trying to, to build for for
know, it's all part of this, you
discussed, that's built on on
programmability of essentially
everything to be tokenized and
as currency become tradable
pluses on just one indicator of
well, of how this agenda has
it's not just being advanced by
there's a lot of right leaning
course, as you alluded to a
the junk bond Scandal The 1980s
Lambert that are involved in
financing it, like Craig Kogut.
too. sent as well, that sort of
Sandor, the father of carbon
president at Drexel, when all of
of derivatives and financial
carbon credit trading, he also
the same way, you know, clean
style, and essentially turn
Which is, which is very crazy,
it, but you know, these guys
don't think they really see it
going to the next level. And all
point is to do it to the entire
Yeah, and put it on, I think
about this iteration of it
you know, it's the same games,
explosion, dollar denomination,
technical advancement, there's
some sort of ledger, that
I think is really important
diminishes the costs, extremely,
of, you know, do this, this debt
before, if you're using, you
base bonds systems, you know,
know, bookmakers, you have to
institutions on either side, you
know, that are paid, you know,
basically to uphold, and then,
to kind of be, you know, the
types of like green bonds, green
these kind of speculative
actually, you know, just to
of these players to uphold these
know, you can mitigate it, you
a couple, in this case, directly
Bitcoin sidechain, to, you know,
Federation members, which
picked by, you know, this
runs the validators and the
of structures, the side chains
kind of decentralized in name
know, banking off of the
distributed model of Bitcoin, I
of, you know, created as, you
chains, rather than, you know,
know, some of these other other,
centralized figures, they use
kind of like sentiment behind it
anti state, you know, product of
thing, which I think, in many
course, but you know, also in a
it empowers, you know, the the
it empowers criminals, it
Complex agents. So like, now
you know, the PayPal Mafia,
Mnuchin, Howie Lutnick of Cantor
people really leaning into kind
this, you know, you know,
actually, you know, basically
and push people towards this
you've been writing about for a
green finance goals are, are
of this private public paradigm.
so let's touch on that for a
and private. I know we've
interviews, we've done the get
necessarily on this podcast, but
people to understand that the
like take Larry Fink for
demonized, quote unquote, and is
because he was considered a
his promotion of ESG when he was
I'm not sure if he's actually
big proponent of of carbon
And, um, you know, while the
know, a year or two ago he said
people misunderstand why I do
because of the profits the
Yeah.
That I will get and I think
understand what the carbon
it's, you know, all just climate
as like climate change alarmism.
no, actually a lot of people on
want carbon markets. And there's
quote unquote, market also. And
been to frame it as a voluntary
obviously going to become a time
or it'll be voluntary in, in
vaccine passports and things of
lot of this other stuff is to
going to be part of this new
wallet, the digital ID, it'll
only and decentralized in name
market it to us by making it
private players all
together to make this truly
they're really, you know,
they have the same goals. They
A lot of these entities, when
under consortiums, for example,
well known one, a promoting
product of, you know, Bill Gates
essentially. But argues for
have a whole mix of all these
of digital ID, but we want them
goal is to have it all be
you get that centralization at
like the public facing layer
the same thing. To give the
I think I think that's so
Blockchain for like,
I'm doing air quotes, even
the it's a walled garden
accepted, where these, these
are useful, you know, you still
interoperability with like the
the bar that you want to get in
you're over 21. Yeah, sure, you
where you can only show the
to show and just, you know, show
at the bar that okay, you're
know, normally when you give
get into a bar, you tell them
what color your eyes are, you
you know, glasses to drive, you
know, there's a lot of like
some random stranger to get into
or 21 Digital ideas, you know,
point of like, well, just the
show, it's like, well, you still
interoperability with some
that. So the DMV, or the US
you know, some sort of Interpol
be some sort of centralized
decentralized blockchain token
it's, it's the idea of kind of
ridiculous, when the whole point
you know, like, there has to be
in on its own, it has to be, you
know, you know, some sort of
sort of other, you know,
so much just white, or I say,
decentralized washing, and a lot
don't really make a ton of
know, it's about profits over
that's more important to these
control than profits are like,
to force the control. So yes,
part for a lot of these people,
of it is the all the data that
surveillance and, you know,
are, you know, they're
is, it's a database, that's what
They're, they're pegged
settles that state, to Bitcoin.
phase shift dialectic where
know, totally like freedom
know, because we control the
But in reality, you know, it's
open database where anybody can
we're seeing them you know, use
the majority Uh, bitcoins life,
seen a ton of obvious, private
kind of just kind of let it grow
now we're in a new paradigm. You
Blackrock world or Blackrock
400,000 Bitcoin now or
absurd. The US government has,
between the DOJ between, you
know, buying up a ton of
know, the jurisdictional arm of
this idea that, you know, we're
state thing, it's just really
green plus, and you're starting
know, optimized for the dollar
out, you know, through Central
know, I think cc 35 is named
cities, right? So we're seeing,
governments agreeing to, you
carbon market that literally
from Steve Mnuchin. And General
richest man in Argentina, Marcos
know, the, the, the dollar eyes,
basically, you know, move in and
as as an enabling environment to
surveillance mechanism, not just
So I think we should talk on
plus, because when I was sort of
the article, I didn't really
which is the satellite firm
what actually led us to find the
place, because it's a it's a
it also speaks to the importance
agenda is so important to these
perspective, because it gives
markets, and is risk reduction,
get into that in a second. So
underpinning a lot of this green
satellite surveillance, that's,
carbon market model they want to
going deep into Satellogic, I
that new model is going to be.
voluntary carbon market, the
that we're in, have had a lot of
lot of people on the left that
change, environmental groups
just you know, people on the
want anything to do with it at
left that criticize it for being
prone, which it has been I mean,
where the main carbon credits
that are issuing carbon credits
some capacity have been created
that, you know, there's been
90% of the carbon credits in the
markets are meaningless, meaning
carbon or reduce carbon in any
essentially just a new market
certain metrics, but it doesn't
it's meeting and we're told we
planet, but it doesn't actually
under its own metrics for
the way they're trying to get
fraud and the grift or actually
their own metrics, right?
carbon credits and create a new
industry. So there's been all
have popped up, including
well, obviously getting in on
ways they're responding to this
products, one class of them are
products. And these are being
events, things like you know,
natural disasters, but also
like that. And the idea is, you
specific point. And so a lot of
for carbon credits moving into
it rests heavily on surveilling
is being issued from the trees
you Yeah, so Satellogic is
surveilling all of the
to this, but the problem is the
run by career US military
with SpaceX, and Palantir, which
arguably, in terms of their
the intelligence community and
you know, essentially what they
administration, the military
we're having that advancing
with Latin American
contracts that they're signing
their, you know, Space Force,
foot in the door this way.
these guys work. And they, if
you know. So let's, I guess,
Satellogic, who's on the board,
maybe we should spell it out a
I also just want to say just
insurance stuff, and a lot of
you know, the carbon market
really important also to talk
important in this new paradigm,
important in this new paradigm.
settlement. Blockchain is is
you're using actual Bitcoin,
And there's no way to actually
just generating a new one. You
you're using Bitcoin, which is
of Grifs. You know, because the
you know, you know, you have a
you need to do, you know, you
was stolen, it was taken, you
say, Hey, we're seizing your
you know, illicitly, or, or, you
them, there's no litigator, that
blockchain transaction. And then
that, you know, they're called
really dumb. They're super dumb,
data that's actually inputted
Satellogic, if you're trying to
green bonds that only pay out
know, a reduction of a
some other, you know, metric
metric that you know, that the
smart contract, you know, the
the contract, otherwise, it
again, this is a little bit like
your AI podcast that, you know,
you know, an ability to create a
blame Oh, well, hey, it's, it's
contract. It's the blockchain,
the federated, you know, seven
Right. So there's a little bit
And I think that's, that's
yes, I do think Satellogic does
think, you know, this idea of
frequency, high resolution, you
should have, but the way that
for this smart contract, you
green bonds into these carbon
sort of why Satellogic plays
municipalities, regional
because in order to actually
credit market, you know, you
sort of the primer for this. But
because it's totally insane.
to start to go through it. But
at the top. You know, Steve
that's, I think, how we found
were going through Steve Mnuchin
VC firm, right, that he made
administration? Yeah, I was
because the the first investment
I've I've written about a few
them actually, in early 2020. On
mentioned them on the
the ones I did last year,
reason I got interested in cyber
essentially admit to being an
company, and they were sent
police departments and different
attack essentially conducted on
the election canceled and
obviously, because we're an
renewed interest. But it I think
Mnuchin leaves service in the US
invest right away in an Israeli
also at the same time attempting
Yossi Cohen, to his, his new VC
the Trump's ambassador to
like very admittedly, just as
politics of Israel as the United
uncommon for ambassadors to be
and more interested, you know,
political interest than
guess, should be said, which is
unusual, I guess, in terms of us
it is kind of, you know, ironic,
first mantra of the Trump
Dunford is another person on the
the Joint Chiefs of Staff or,
of the military. under the Trump
that's when SpaceForce was made.
Chin's VC firm, after the Trump
are both involved with
well. So they're simultaneously
intelligence front company as
Yeah, the Trump
greatest examples of this
complete dissolving of the
think specifically with these
But, you know, Mnuchin was the,
partner who was a huge profiteer
you know, leading the Treasury,
was the former VP of Coinbase,
Comptroller of the Currency, who
law that says that banks can
banks can participate in stable
great point, right, but on the
administration, he pardoned
Craig Kogut was basically the
during that whole junk bond
up the you know, this whole, you
with the stable coins and the
you know, as we get to our third
know, it's our boy, Howie,
Chairman and CEO of Cantor
that holds all of the US
the largest stable coin provider
has just under $110 billion
one of the biggest purchases
certainly over the last 18
them up. And the government
these things, to service their
So you're like already beginning
rest of them get into, you know,
Satellogic. You know, you're
people listed on the board. And
crazy, you know, connection with
important way, specifically with
again, we can connect to think
him. I mean, there's so many
like very directly, you know,
players in the private public
capital creation, and stable
with the public private sector
of a satellite company.
So yeah, so why are they
company? Right, you know, and I
clear that there's a big
It's not just about
something Satellogic says in its
historically, a lot of these
militaries, intelligence
sell satellites as a service to
they market it to specifically
sorts of stuff, because they
democratize surveillance, right.
mean, that's, I think, kind of a
the way most people think about the
word democratizes never used
as he I think that's an that's
It's a total inversion of
unbanked thing, you know, we
first time we ever we ever
this idea of you know, it's
colonialism, you know, but it's
You know, greenwash whitewash,
these guys are doing it again,
line is observation is
preservation for what? For, you
in and made billions and
dollars on Yeah, you know, these
the 2008 mortgages exploding on
mean, we haven't even talked
or running the SPAC for them,
Advisor for Satellogic. I mean,
all abound. But let's let's
a lot to say, but I don't I
time on every board member. I
do want to say before we go any
teamed up with Palantir, they've
is Peter Thiel company, of
founders of PayPal, the other
Purdue who, you know, runs
partnered with Satellogic. And
which we're going to be talking
this debt from above series, you
Pay Pal mafia, but it's
Silicon Valley billionaires that
pretty much an open Cabal, and
They did a photo shoot. Elon
they literally did a photo
might be wrong, maybe fortune.
you know, it was like sopranos
together and dressed up. Yeah,
totally. Just so ridiculous.
it. Yeah, they like the mafia
absurd. Well, because they
particular guys are working with
mentioned a little bit in the
talking about more than the
Endeavor. And Endeavor is
of like a startup incubator. And
Silicon Valley land, but this
Silicon Valley. And it's much
And it has a lot of World
It's chaired by Edgar Bronfman
with my work. Specifically, my
Bronfman family, so no need to
Hoffman, who is co founder of
Pal mafia and also the person in
relationship of the mall to
key players here. And he is on
with Edgar Bronfman Jr. But he's
The Argentina branch of
part but a lot of these other
about more are there too. And
earliest success story of
is Mercado Libre, which is
Latin America, in the same
today. That is exactly it's a
Libre has become, and it was
Endeavor, but the guy in charge
become the richest man in
the person on Satellogic's board
Lutnick so you have this
important in the context of what
men that we've already talked
like to drill down on that for a
not just a marketplace it's
digital bank and the main
being economically pillaged
Argentina, but you know, also
the one that's like most acute
people are being forced to not
it's, you know, so volatile and
they're the biggest adopters in
coins and other cryptocurrencies
through Mercado Pago through its
in the area, like or companies
main infrastructure for this
Bitcoin and Brazil, they're
share of the rails on which this
intentionally being fed by, you
of the Argentinian Peso and
economic shock therapy in the
to these systems and Argentina
economic beta test for a lot of
out. And in referring to some of
the introduction, the idea of
currency. Yes, Argentina is
for that. And there's an effort
pegged to commodities,
exports, and that has already
company called Agra tokens
significant amount now of
not interacting with the peso at
these stable coins that they're
that either run by, you know,
with Mercado Pago or Mercado
you take that combined with, you
custodian guy there, the
literally ran the Treasury
board of the satellite company
on a lot in Latin America. It's
100% I think there's a lot
Libre, but also, you know, just,
sort of commodity back stable
know, using grains and, you
literal sense things that you
important board member, but you
is the former group president of
biggest agriculture
companies in the world, also
is, which is sort of
Mercado Libre is, is really
especially you alluded to the
one of the things that people
where it got its market share
captured so much was through
with eBay. And for eBay to work
it was being online. You know,
buyers, from people that were
eBay, or that were, you know,
protection for the buyer. And so
was kind of unprecedented, offer
than a Visa or MasterCard, or an
transfer. So they combined Buyer
settlement. And that was sort of
that, you know, allowed people
the huge lion's share of
market. And so you really needed
now, PayPal was far beyond, you
know, settlement tool. But I
and discussing, you know, the
Pierre Omidyar and eBay and you
you know, the Omidyar now
Right. Fans get that. So
of arrive as not just the Amazon
that eBay vibe as well. So the,
of a Marcos Galperin that you
of you know, I'm not sure
has a billion users but you know
you know, throughout Latin
South America and you know, more
you know, they can actualize you
we saw Venmo which is a PayPal
basically in the back end, Pay
know, the hundreds of millions
have access to a stable coin
of a flip of a switch of a you
now that the entire market has
now have access to Bitcoin
other things. So, you know,
need for a market to actualize
someone wants to circumnavigate
money, and and that's sort of
people now jumping, burnt
that is the US dollar system and
over $33 trillion of debt you
burning ship the rats are
know what where do they want to
know, basically you know state
of commodity backed thing which
is that kind of wheat grain real
market to to great to get
Mercado Libre plays a really
haven't really done anything
some blockchain stuff they've
messing around with stable
fast level.
will sure but they're very
and PayPal has their stable coin
pretty clear that as Argentina,
this testbed for this stuff
Mercado Libre through Mercado
ways that people in Argentina
ecosystem. I mean, you know, as
Argentinian peso deepen, it's
Milei, the peso issue, they're
these other currencies, I think
infrastructure for that, Tony
you.
Exactly, that's, that's the
was a big part of the book that
that's about its controlling the
infrastructure of a
then it's, it kind of ceases to
decentralized or very useful as
if you control all the on and
dollar denominated, which they
no your customer AML you know,
kind of systems and all the
meaningful volume, you know, you
the controlling, you know,
know, kind of utilize Bitcoin,
dollar system, right. So Mercado
as the market to basically, you
in these tokenized assets to the
So it plays an incredibly
actualize all this stuff, you
because this these dollar
tokenized credits these like
actually are there and have
So I think that there's it's not
so crazy to be like, why would a
guy from Caterpillar, a mark,
holding Investment Company,
And an SEC, or former Secretary
they all come together and form
of crazy. Until you actually
wow, they these are all the
right? Well,
to be fair, they didn't form
and the people but the people
people they want on their board.
consider that the people that
Kargieman and what's his name
something like that CTO? Um,
company called core security
Satellogic and that was a
know, intelligence in US
agencies. They're based out of
Argentinian company are they
relocated from South America to
US government contracts and to
partnership, specifically, with
in the Wall Street Journal and
for intent, you know, deepening
intelligence. And it was already
Force, which is part of the
also an intelligence agency. And
Palantir, from Peter Thiel, and
before, was created to be the
program total information
about surveilling the entire
smallest level technologically
through things like predictive
before they happen, and
before they happen. And a lot of
COVID. And of course, Palantir
data for HHS and the United
for terror attacks. So just the
information awareness was
about to be shut down, they
it terrorist Information
you know, Palantir has gotten
policing, predicting crime
level and all of that. And
administration, there was a big
before they happen by predicted
American social media posts.
administration's idea. And Bill
Trump legalized pre crime. So we
both sides of the political
and backing this system, and
a quote unquote, Democrat thing,
it. And they're using either
whichever one will stick to get
that the party is irrelevant,
same place at the end of the
something that's um, some of my
to create the biometric smart
That's been like the Democrats
building the wall under Trump
including Trump himself, that
happen. But it's the exact same
essentially in lockstep all over
Entry Exit programs go and it's
Development Goals un plan, which
essentially. Yeah, so I mean, it's
the same
theory. Exactly.
Nailed it. Yeah, it's the
paradigm is, is pretty useless.
public is kind of becoming this
think you can see that very
technology. You know, yes, they
NASA, DARPA, you know, clients,
like Cisco and Lockheed Martin.
know, just to get just to
more. They were also an
entrepreneur from the Endeavour
there were some interesting
el Steen, who was the president
very ghoulish man, maybe we can
cargo women in between core
did a venture called a konkola
Again, the Milken Drexel guy who
their venture ended up being a
group at the World Bank, again
public bullshit. And then COVID
of CC 35. funder. Yeah, yeah,
of CC 35. Yeah, I
mean, Craig CO gets whole
a green finance guy. And a lot
too, after they've left their
Mark Carney being a really good
UN Envoy for Climate Finance.
someone like Mark Carney to do
be the biggest indicator of the
enabling environment for global
become. Mark Carney is the guy
laundering of money and the bill
dollars for drug cartels that
cover that up, has just been a
cartel, his entire career, head
of Canada. And just one of the
guy that's, you know, authoring
climate finance objectives,
climate finance objectives and
and his affiliate Mike
making under the auspices of the
the planet. Because using any
dialectics no one's going to buy
all. We literally have to be
salvation from complete doom and
participating in their market
rigged in their favor, of
planet but really it's allowing
planet under the guise of saving
this this is such a good I
privates After a public sector
here at one of the things that's
Satellogic was set up why
when you have strictly public
sector funded businesses, which
these things aren't really the
it is just corporations, they
restrictions on what they can
who they can actually work with
actually makes a lot of sense,
restrictions of, you know, I
what that actually restricts
know, it makes sense that, you
basically move into the private
move into the private sector,
public sector, you know,
veterans in Dunford case. And
same way that we've talked about
currencies, sort of being this
sector has a lot more
with user data, who you can
you know, there's there's very
has restrictions on, but what
who they can observe, and all
we're seeing a push for private
public sector issued, you know,
gives them so much more, you
that's, you know, we were seeing
seeing that wisdom of their
know, satellite company or kind
infrastructure builder, it's
enough, but that sky loom that,
know, building commercial and
Pentagon space development
them Satellogic is working with
Amazon Web Services, which, you
the 50 gigabytes of data that
back to Earth. You know, in
is one of the CIA contractors
know, a couple, a couple other
huge these huge, you know,
their private
Oracle is the CIA.
Right? Well, the other so
yes, right.
Yeah. But they're framed as
Oracle was project, Oracle, the
that to making Oracle, the
the CIA, and doing the same type
the CIA was set up to do, right.
early CIA funding in the
etc. And we see them as these
been this whole rhetoric that's
years, specifically, when it
media censorship, to treat these
entirely separate from the
case at all. And they've been
for a variety of reasons of
certain things, they get in
Congress, people say, Oh, the
but our hands are tied their
you know, again, the public
is completely meaningless. And
and conquer, you know, tool, get
say the private sector is the
private sector, see, say the
ping pong people around just
between Democrat and Republican.
related, right? Because
like, stronger public sector and
private sector, it's all part of
having people distracted from
the time, but essentially, the
there's a unit party, I guess
economy. I don't know.
Wow,
right. You know,
that's a good phrase. I
And that's nice.
Well, I don't know, it's the
it's one political party, the
one sector
totally and that same with
one step further. It's same with
mean, this idea that you know,
competing huge economies you
polls, they in Russia and China
you know, Brazil you know, it's
there has to be the illusion
that's why they need it to look
digital wallets and whatever
all these different vendors
right? But really, it's all the
slavery system, and they need to
are competing but they all agree
development goals written by
financial paradigm? Well,
part of the same thing.
global policy pushes on which
how both political parties in
same things on foreign wars and
certain things about taxes. And,
actual differences are
largely based in the in the
so, yeah, and so, to have it go,
they want to, they're
they're distracting us from what
what they're actually
behind the guise of this great
levels. And also, behind this
that's particularly interesting
Mafia, and also, you know, the
collapse, a lot of people,
bank, Ben freedom, his
Effective Altruism. And that's
that a lot of these Silicon
But it's really a veneer. It's
any sort of actual sense. It's,
that's framed as altruism. And,
coming out of the UN is also
terms, we're doing this for the
know, in doing this to save the
the poor, but they beta test all
poorest and the most vulnerable
help systematize their this
disenfranchised by powerful
funding the un un is not a
public private thing. And it is
Carney and Michael Bloomberg
not do not care about the
mean, it's just absurd to think
weren't. It's like, it's
the unbanked. It's like, well,
first place? You know,
like, now that we have this
to forcibly include everyone in
you're welcome now, like,
a place to shove $34 trillion of
world? Yeah, yeah. It's like,
in. Now's the appropriate time.
man. It's crazy. And I think
reason why, you know, again,
these things are mistake, that's
know, push for, for figures who
corrupted private sector
Trump seeing a Milei you know,
figures come that are pushing,
Deep State, maybe there's an
still, or something like that,
know, hey, you know, yeah, like
you down, Obama let you down.
everything and it's just like
these other people he's as
secret you know, ghoulish things
Epstein, you know, through and
Mafia, Ilan to Hoffman. You
Milei coming out who's literally
know, getting rid of the central
financial interest to dollarized
this you know, altruistic angle
the country he's taking the
Israel. I mean, it's, he's he's
and people are cheering it on as
country with a chainsaw and
this useful phase shift towards,
government lost your trust. The
is bad, but don't blame Palantir
know, don't don't blame this the
control the Fed. No, no, no, no,
let but let the rest of us run
under the dialectic of altruism.
reason why these tick tock
know, presidents are coming out
manufacture this consent, you
sector, you know, rhetoric like
time as you know, Blockchain is
and being accepted and
sector and the public sector
goblins running control like a
a new enabling environment
important to kind of take a look
why now, why is there? Why are
platform? Why is Milei speaking
these people suck? But
because they want capitalism
complete the coup, is to
central bank and to
restrictions on what the private
had an NPR is now saying, you
the way of misinformation is the
it's totally insane, where we're
are pushing the Overton window
by the time I think the pendulum
far gone. And people are really
dissolving of, again, I don't
state. But I also understand who
it. And it's these private
that that that push all the
them to run things. That's not
literally same as the old boss.
surveillance networks,
real world asset commodities. On
that's blockchain. It's very
Yeah. So let me talk about
to bring up. I want to bring up
want to bring up Ron DeSantis.
with him. So Ron DeSantis was
Trump that like went around very
because it's a threat to human
Florida, he's become, he's
Florida smart ID, which is a
sales, which is like the
strategic partner for digital ID
insane. So yeah, so you're gonna
it's going to be you know,
really know how DeSantis is
of those political creatures
this new mode of, you know, I'm
against the standing against the
tyrannical plans, you know, that
that way because of his COVID
and then making this statement
implementing digital ID in
have gone quite far ahead on
El Salvador, you have them being
Salvador, which is the capital
of before he became president of
Salvador, Mario deuteron, is
of the main green plus entities,
America of it now. And it has
and adopter of the specific
installation of these like
systems all over southern San
this Israeli tech oligarch
intelligence background, who
friend of Nayib Bukele. So it's
closely affiliated with Bukele
market style stuff. And the
Americas economically
a carbon market and leading the
that as its mission, and not
Bukele's down for that stuff,
weird. But again, I think, you
here, you know, regardless of
are some troubling things that
that a lot of glorification of
not end well. And of course, El
long time has had a relatively
military, and a lot of major
largely caused by the influence
creation of US intelligence back
what happened in other countries
period of time. So a lot going
for sure. And also, I think, you
about how El Salvador had
to Bitcoin until we started sort
piece, but it seems like a lot
our grands, not so much as
note in the piece, basically,
Michael Milken to cryptocurrency
around right now Stacy Ward and
Latin American debt vultures for
of you know, I don't know, it
that's the case, you know, the
seems like there's definitely
romanticizing this particular
ask why that might be in
the connections with I mean,
more to go here. But I mean, you
Howie Lutnick, of Satellogic, of
Tether bonds in the office in El
the head of Tether the banking
know, Bukele at with Howie and,
concerning to me, in a lot of
understand I think El Salvador
for a lot of you know, for you
kind of the first country the
people to legalize it, make it
dollarized country, one of 66
know, one of the first things
build the 40,000 person prison.
backwards, you know, Bitcoin is
freedom, focus technology, anti
the dollar homogeny it's like,
the people surrounding you know,
of El Salvador, major players in
prison system, it's very
deserves a lot more discussion.
something that there's a big
speak of specifically is that
you know, discourse in media,
major figureheads in the Bitcoin
tether or heavily involved, you
it does a great disservice to
of these things. And, you know,
I'm gonna get killed for this,
the Bitcoin zation of El
weatherization and the
And I think that's worth having
when you look at some of the
there like a strike, you know,
integrated it right off the bat,
opened up in Argentina, you
was just tether. So there's a
with Bukele specifically that
like Bitcoiners really aren't
I feel like there's a model.
effort throughout lots of
to replicate what's being
Specifically, as it comes to
to say that there was not an
you know, Salvador, it was very
reason why people in El Salvador
he ended that totally. But the
connected to US intelligence, US
phase shift. And El Salvador,
population, whoever ends that
has terrorized them for decades,
person. Sure, regardless of who
And that's something
in South America and they love
America, South America, and they
interesting, and how much of
Well, they
stand as tools of freedom.
then you have, you know, you
people like from Peter Thiel and
like, you know, some people at
stable coins as an altruistic,
instead, you know, really it's,
FBI, the Secret Service, and
scheme that is the US Treasury
the head of tether also said
to expand dollar hegemony. He
yeah. And that they want to work
that and onboarded intelligence
exact and now the currency like
wrecked. I mean, it already was
up even more like even more
people are being forced to
their Iris for some world coins,
Hoffman back thing. Or they're
to circle USDC. So, you know,
fitting there is that freedom
with this Bukele model, you
to manufacture consent for that
that are plagued by crime,
example, is attempting to
Milei saying, Oh, we're going to
too. You know, the issue in
crime, crippling everything
Ecuador, like historically and
problem. And it worries me when
cabinet is full of bankers from
know, running most of a
government. And then you you're
Titus gave him the nickname
Larry Fink statement that the
authoritarian dictatorships.
why are you building mega
that your country is overrun by
you know, more than two thirds
under the poverty line, right?
people. Yeah.
And you're creating an
forced to, you know, go to
ends meet, which then forces
creating situations either that
or you force them to onboard
digital ID system so that they
and use the state defined crypto
it's, it's concerning. And
concerning about the green plus
there's so many regional and
connected with this. And it
awareness about who these
again, some of it is speculation
not, I mean, some of these
reason, these people love to get
you said, you know, to how we
at the chain analysis
a half ago, which is hilarious,
sector intelligence agency for
came out and said, Yeah, I want
know, using stable coins and how
continue and yada yada these
loud. So there yes, there's some
degree, but but really, it's
I mean, this is this is open
stuff, right? We're using
or just in the public domain,
been a lot of comments. I mean,
into the RFK component, the
Diego guy, you know, basically
Bitcoiners need to basically
state ethos and the
the state. And we've seen that
angle, you know, kind of in this
of Bitcoin by Larry Fink by, you
You know, there's there's a,
constructed effort to dissolve
so useful for them in the
blockchain that now it's no
it's this this mechanism, and
that that, that is so helpful
actualizing being the enabling
useful to perpetuate, you know,
this idea of it as the freedom
money. Yeah.
Technology for asset
right and against what Larry
Epstein said, Exactly.
It's very interesting. And
connected with a lot of, you
know, and and the Brahmins and
you know, running Endeavor, the
these things, there's there's
coalition forming. You know,
know that our books are
horrible thing here of one
this is sort of it's kind of
it's really important to like,
saying. And you look at these
say, I mean, they're, they're
to drop the revolutionary aspect
capitalism is freedom. And I'm
free market service are
they're, they're not free
markets and infrastructures in
right? It's crony capitalist.
junk bond scandal of the 80s.
is free market capitalism, but
taxpayers that have no idea, you
which Epstein is connected, and
and loan scandal to and you
free market capitalism, baby
Isn't that what we want? Well,
not when you create a new
glass steagall, that, you know,
backed financial institutions
derivative markets that you
supposed to be able to with with
that they are now they're too
you know, city is becoming this
Morgan, way too big to fail Bank
we have to bail them all out.
has run amiss with with goblins
not it's not this just like
has no issues. And I'm not anti
any of these things that people
saying this, but it's like, I
we are getting fed public
Milei while we're seeing people
with Joe Rogan saying, I fucking
Austrian School of Economics,
clown show. And if you can't,
that's happening here, I'm not
high IQ, like, do it. It's
in there. But but it's useful
useful dialectic to push as they
remains of the public sector.
I do also want to say that a
dictatorships in the 1980s acted
Austrian economics and like,
look at so, you know, obviously,
decent amount about Pinochet. So
Chicago Boys as they're known
Milton Friedman at the
and basically design Chile
why Chile has been so stable.
an economic testbed for a lot of
things, for a very long time.
have that one like state one
America. For a variety of
it being like all the lithium
digress. But anyway, if you look
come out in the years, since you
corrupt guy had like all these
shadow banking stuff was going
they were obviously like,
being like, oh, yeah, we're all
this and free market that but it
amount of crony capitalism was
crystallization of the oligarch
create the coup in 1973. Yeah,
Edwards being like one of the
CIA. And he's the guy that you
like one of the biggest banks
the biggest newspaper, I mean,
other oligarch families, besides
from that period are still very
had been for a long time. So
free market when you have like
still essentially controls
this model that's been enacted
also solidly under Larry
Russia, right. And the after the
there was the king making the
these different oligarchs that
industries during the quote
the pillaging of its economic
Yeltsin, and you know, even
was definitely most acute, you
period, and that was framed As
Russia, but was that the free
like Larry Summers, crony
with all these Harvard economist
gonna bring the free market to
yada yada and they make this
is their like sworn enemy, the
like Rachel Maddow Show and
that. Yes. Yeah.
And and what did those same
you know, again, everyone talks
Argentina and El Salvador, but
what happened in NAFTA? You
you know, why is Epstein
House, you know, dozen plus
mid 90s And then why are we
George Soros seein you know,
connected with Argentina and
for tether with Deltec. You
peso all the way down and made
you know, and then, you know, we
from the public sector to to
privatized or took over rather
after NAFTA basically, did you
know, altruistic framing, hey,
let's do this agricultural trade
kind of just just destroying the
guys make billions of dollars
cushy, cushy jobs, they jump
private and public sector. It's
Rubin. It's city. It's Joe
it's, it's absurd. But it's done
like, Oh, we're opening up the,
we're opening up, you know,
the dollar there, you know, same
know, seven, eight years before,
Accord, which was like kind of
coordinated central banking,
Roy Cohn's old hideout at the
bringing, you know, the heads of
the G five at the time, and
50%, which is seen as this, oh,
dollar is so strong, and now
countries. But no, I mean, they
countries for us to get in there
open up the country that's
these like dialectics that are
sector, people come in, like a
at JP Morgan, he writes this
Steagall, which is the
that doesn't, you know, let you
insurance brokers and do certain
certain markets and mortgages,
so he comes in, he writes a
let's rethink Glass Steagall,
course, comes in, you know, and
know, they they dissolve Glass
have 2008 basically happen
like, whenever it's useful for
get their people in place there.
it's not. It's not but I think
biggest time, bigger than Glass
once again, so like the
was Robert Rubin, Goldman Sachs.
boy, his Deputy, Larry, and then
Treasury. What in the leap from
happening. It's Henry parle.
right. I forget where Tim
under he worked for summers on
Pincus and then Mnuchin isn't
Goldman Sachs? Right?
I, I'm not sure, but very
But anyway, I mean, they're
banks, the people that run
insane revolving door, and like,
time. You know, they're like,
treasury secretary. Whoa, but,
running is fine. You know, it's
doesn't really work like that,
And now we're having the
Things move so much faster. The
lot of these you know,
these figures in Bitcoin right
like digital real estate and not
sailors of the world. Epstein
basically, and just kind of one
But you know, there's sort of a
and things move so fast there.
thing that is interesting about
digital credit, whereas
the dollar is a debt instrument,
it's to settle debts. And
element to it in the real world
inquire a debt to mine Bitcoin.
to you, in that debt that you
from an electrical loss, an
transmuted into a token, that's,
credit, it's the only digital
else is digital debt. And so
know, at the time, and again,
about where I think that Bitcoin
interesting that Bitcoin
the white papers released
peak of kind of the US, you
the the money is getting away
to have to service this debt. In
unsustainable. And, you know, we
time I was on here, but, you
know, basically growth in
the US debt is very interesting
coincidence. And again, Bitcoin
mean, it is that thing, it's a
tool that can empower a
empower an individual. And I
in power, the US government and
digital debt is created, via
credit is being appreciated, and
bitcoins growth, you know, since
bitcoins up, like 50%, or
same people in 2008, that saw
know, these very guys are now
to Bitcoin. You'd like Larry
haven't even talked about him
is company alongside D Hawk, and
You know, the three of them were
which is an Endeavor connected,
know, the Fort Knox of, of
saying that it's connecting us
Bitcoin. And that's what it's
basically using Bitcoin, as this
credit to print eventually, as
the head of strategy at Paxos,
affiliate who runs their their
they're planning on there being
regulated stable coins coming?
trillions of dollars of debt was
these dollar stable coins, you
are happening to create these
go? It can flow into bitcoin
rather than the economic
a China go to a BRICS sort of
make gold much more valuable.
into Bitcoin and be used as this
to expand digital credit. So
mean, we're seeing, you know,
how do you actually facilitate
ease in a super high debt
really creative and you have to
instruments like green finance.
showed me I'll let you spill the
of RF ks campaign? What was her
Well, I don't know if it was
she graduated. But yeah, Nicole
president basically wrote some
through the use of carbon
It's been a while since I've
but but basically This idea
to create digital dollars to
this debt around, we have to
you have to put it on the
they are literally creating a
blockchain that is upheld by
regional agreements between, you
Central and South America to
you know, system complete with
South America Mercado Libre to
possible, which is incredible to
debt being shoved on the global
all is through IMF loans, World
and more and more, you know, to
33 $34 trillion of runaway debt
they have to get creative to put
so Shanahan's project, it
excuse me, um, it was through
Code x. And the project is
credit markets as validation for
easing, using the blockchain and
a carbon coin that works in
markets. Very crazy. We'll leave
anyone that wants to read that,
considering that we've had
Bitcoin specific rhetoric from
the, I think, earliest
openly endorse Bitcoin, but I
on that same. He's doing it.
think he'll be, you know, the
longer. But I think, you know,
that space in particular,
and found my opinion on the
since the ever since the Gaza
happened since obviously, but I
pick is quite telling, and I
her foundation has some
Effective Altruism crowd. And
Brin, allegedly breaking up
Elon Musk, which they both deny.
trying to look for solutions.
daughter via neural link. And
with meeting with Musk but
brain ship your autistic child,
seem like what they've been
campaign as as supporting in
of that, but anyway, don't don't
And currently married to a
which is the Jack Dorsey funded
the Lightning Network, which is
assets, which is attempting to
dollar denominated stable coins
literally what they're working
Elizabeth Stark, the CEO, kind
attempts at funding her product,
you know, kind of blockchain
exactly. So kind of interesting
dollarization push, directly
by Epstein when she said no, you
and some other some other folks
Hoffman, some other people?
Well, we could definitely go
all of this stuff. But I think
here. Is there anything you'd
before we go?
You know, just that, I think
know, yes. See what they're
that they say a lot. For
solution, whatever it is, they
and these little meetings, that
conference things and whatever
out loud, for sure. But also,
and action as the other. So I
this world right now, it's
know what they're saying, but
salt, and really look at what
that's really important for
rhetoric is really the name of
discourse with. And we're in
media world, you know, where,
presidential candidates with
in such clown world. And really
look at who they're surrounding
companies that are being created
boards, like no one looks at VC
this writing came about from us
know, who founded what, you
notes of literally just raw data
And I think that, you know,
all out there, there's so much
really like, arm yourself with
cuz, you know, there's, there's
coming. And, you know, they want
idiotic as possible. And I think
skeptical of everything. And,
here. It's a pleasure to write
yeah, I'm really thankful to be
once again, thanks so much.
Yeah, absolutely. And before
piggyback on that. I mean, the
that's being directed into
stuff is truly outrageous. I
this effort in, you know, I
but sort of like that political
There is a an effort to
particular the, the people
their base, right? To give
anonymity online, all of these
going to do it in all sorts of
already seen it with like, the
migrant migration situation is
out of control for a very long
agitation about it, and the
smart wall, which is, you know,
So, I mean, it's going to be
whichever side, they think they
but they are selling it, and
way to sell it to people, but
so much money in selling, it
made, they need to make people
they need people to voluntarily
that is why they're putting so
that tell us? That tells us that
don't use it, it will fail. And
most concerned about going
you see it with the carbon
to foist the carbon market on
It's been very unsuccessful,
again, is a giant grift palooza.
it or trying to, you know, it's
trying to find new ways to sell
creating entire new like mini
up. So I think the fact I think
much our willingness to comply
far all of this stuff goes. So
and your contributions to this
see what's really going on here,
pieces of the puzzle that we've
past several months. So thanks a
find your work and support you?
Yeah, definitely. Yeah.
magazine, and author of the
get at Bitcoin magazine. And
marketplaces. Yeah, come check
work there. And you can find me
score I n. Okay,
great. Well, thanks so much,
listening, and especially
podcast. Thanks so much. Catch