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Whitney Webb. On September 12,

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Joe Biden announced an executive

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order on advancing biotechnology

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and bio manufacturing innovation

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for a sustainable, safe and

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secure American bio economy.

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Among other things, this

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executive order stated that,

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quote, We need to develop

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genetic engineering technologies

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and techniques to be able to

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write circuitry for cells and

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predictably program biology. In

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the same way in which we write

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software and program computers,

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unlock the power of biological

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data, including through

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computing tools and artificial

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intelligence, and advanced the

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science of scale up production,

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while reducing the obstacles for

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commercialization so that

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innovative technologies and

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products can reach markets

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faster in quote. In other words,

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this policy calls for less

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regulation and testing for quote

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unquote, innovative healthcare

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products based on new unproven

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technologies, particularly gene

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editing and gene therapy, and

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supercharging the effort to make

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AI central to the American

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healthcare system, but there's

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actually a lot more going on in

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this executive order. So this

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executive order perhaps

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unsurprisingly, got little play

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in mainstream media and only

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slightly more an independent

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media where many of those who

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did cover it claimed it would

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usher in an age of transhumanist

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technologies. Is such alarm

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warranted and what is this

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executive order likely to mean

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for the average American? And

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what exactly is the bioeconomy?

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Who are the major players in it?

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And who is it meant to benefit?

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Joining me discuss this and more

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today is Derek bros. Derek is a

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journalist, activist and speaker

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who writes for the last American

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Vagabond as well as his own

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site, the conscious resistance.

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His most recent article for tea

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laugh covers Biden's executive

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order and one of the best and

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one of the only articles out

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there on the topic and shows how

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this edict is just one part of a

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much larger and broader agenda.

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So thanks for joining me today.

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Derek, welcome back to unlimited

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hangout. Yeah, thank you for

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having me back. When my

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pleasure. So let's start by

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tackling some of the vocabulary

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in this executive order. I don't

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think most people know what

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bioeconomy or even bio

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manufacturing exactly means. So

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how do how does the executive

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order define these terms? Do you

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agree with those definitions?

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means in terms of the economic

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impact it's likely to have for

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Sure. So the executive order is

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titled advancing biotechnology

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and bio manufacturing, to

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further sustainable, safe and

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secure American bio economy. So

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they fit all three of those

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words and one phrase there, and

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across these terms. According to

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the White House's definition,

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correct. I mean, you could get a

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little more broad with it, but

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they describe it as the economic

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activity derived from

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biotechnology and bio

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the bioeconomy. And of course,

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they state that COVID, the COVID

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crisis helped accelerate the

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push towards biotech and bio

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manufacturing. And they talk

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about in terms of quote unquote,

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life saving therapeutics and

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vaccines and all that stuff. But

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idea of economic activity from

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name in the sense of genetic

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foods, like that's probably the

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most familiar aspect of it,

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of like biotech companies. So

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some other definitions for that.

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using biological systems, which

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itself is pretty broad, to

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develop products, tools and

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processes at a commercial scale

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whatever they may be, to produce

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biomolecules. So I mean,

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like life biology using that,

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medicine, food, industrial

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applications, and I'm sure we're

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gonna get into it, but it gets

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into some other areas where they

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start talking about biomass and

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like, what exactly is biomass

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circular bio economy which we've

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economy phrase for a while,

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which you know, at its at its

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kind of least nefarious end is

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things like reduce, reuse,

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recycle. And then, you know, it

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goes to a whole other area,

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though, that I think is where

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some of the concerns come in.

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into in this article, right.

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so a lot of people have been

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focusing sort of on the

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healthcare I guess you could say

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angle of this executive order,

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but as you sort of touched on,

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this is a lot bigger than just

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this to be like a whole of

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government approach. What some

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of the departments mentioned

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specifically in this executive

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order aren't just like HHS, for

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example. But I think HHS and

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like ARPA h, we can talk about

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later, have a big role here.

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big, the push for all of these

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for biotechnology and bio

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manufacturing to play a central

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role in these departments going

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forward. So I think it maybe at

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this now or later, we should

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probably talk about the

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implications of this for

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agriculture, because it talks

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about food security and

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sustainability. And you

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right, you know, biotechnology

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companies. You mentioned

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Syngenta, you know, which is

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familiar with Monsanto, which is

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now Bayer, Monsanto. But that's

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basically, you know, what this

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is calling for? Pretty

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concerning stuff. So

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yeah, let's I'm down to get into

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that. I mean, I think that you,

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you bring up some good points

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here by calling attention to the

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different departments. And for

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one, as you said, and as the

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executive order says, We need a

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whole of government approach,

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which, you know, I think we

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should take them at their word

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that they're going to try to use

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every resource available to push

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in this direction. Because, you

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know, when you not only when you

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look at the executive order, but

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when you look at some of the

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actual other actions that I

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wrote about, that the Biden

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administration took just this

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month, earlier this month, it's

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clear that the bioeconomy isn't

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just going to be some maybe kind

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of like niche topic like I don't

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least that's the way they

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based on this IT departments you

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mentioned, they also mentioned,

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the Department of State, of

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applications of this so called

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about agriculture, I would guess

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that most of most of our

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audience is familiar with, you

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know, the revolving door that's

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been going on for decades

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between Monsanto, Syngenta,

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those companies and the US

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government, you know, that's

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been happening for decades now.

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acknowledged that and are aware

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of the close relationship

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between the biotech industry as

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engineered food, genetically

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modified foods, and the

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government? Well, I think that

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doesn't really bode well either

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for this push into the bio

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economy and the potential for

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what it might entail, which I'm

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by some of my speculative ideas

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that, you know, I can't prove at

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the moment, but I think, you

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and I'm sure you do, as well

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about where this is all going,

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especially in terms of biomass.

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the idea of, we need to go to a

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bio economy. And it's not just

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there's different US politicians

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pushing it, and I'm sure we

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governments around the world and

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just, it's just time so

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perfectly with the potentially

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post COVID world that we're in

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now, right? I mean, it just

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seemed, and again, we see the

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call towards COVID showed us

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this COVID showed us how this is

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necessary to push the whole of

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government into this direction.

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And there's also discussed of,

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you know, biological sciences,

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biotechnology, bio manufacturing

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to enhance biosafety,

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biosecurity. And they're also

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going to be investing billions

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of dollars, and they're seeking

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more than they got right now. So

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I mean, this is, this is not

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just a small piece of the

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overall agenda that we're kind

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of facing.

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Right. So there's a couple

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different things to talk about,

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then I guess, one would be the

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UN side of this held that hall,

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all of this ties into the the

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SDGs, and the alleged response

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to climate change and all of

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this stuff. And then I guess the

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other side of it is what you

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just brought up how COVID is

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being used to justify this, and

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the push into healthcare. So I

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guess maybe, before we get to

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away from that, maybe let's,

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let's go back to the discussion

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of, I guess, I would say the

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most controversial part of this

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executive order that I read in

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the intro that a lot of people

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have been focusing on

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discussing, you know, concern

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about transhumanist technologies

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being institutionalized, and

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things like this, because of

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this executive order the claim,

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again, about developing genetic

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engineering technologies, for

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writing circuitry for cells, you

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know, and basically comparing,

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you know, that to software and,

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you know, program development.

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And, you know, it's weird that

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this happens around the same

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time that the FDA sort of frames

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the latest booster drive for

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COVID 19 vaccine sort of in

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those same terms. Yeah, I saw

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I'm sure a lot of people

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probably saw that them, I forget

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exactly what they said. But it

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was something like time to get

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your, you know, software update,

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do all this stuff. And that's

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not how the immune system

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necessarily works, what they're

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trying to basically see them a

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narrative with people who still

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listen to them anyway. Yeah, to

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get them to look at the human

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body in this particular way. And

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I think that's, um, that's

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pretty telling. So let's talk

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about some of the people that

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are going to be behind this

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particular aspect of the

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implementation of this executive

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order. So you have what we just

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mentioned the FDA, I'll say

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really quickly that the new head

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of the FDA hasn't gotten really

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any coverage at all. I was

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hoping to write about him, but

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earlier in the year, but you

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know, I had a baby and then had

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a book. So you know, I guess two

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babies, you could, you could

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argue been a little busy. Yeah,

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so I was little short on time,

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but Robert Kalish is the guy

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that's in charge of the FDA now.

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And he's one of these revolving

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door guys, between the FDA and

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you know, big pharma, I guess

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you could say, but not really

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big pharma because he's going,

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he's a big guy, or was a big

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guy, you know, Google's Health

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Division, and one of the top

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advisors at Google for their

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health care push. And so you

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know, you have people tied up

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with that, to some extent,

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having been involved in warp

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speed. And some of that I know

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that you wrote pretty

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extensively about Moncef Salafi,

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who was I think he had to step

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down before it actually finished

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because of like harassment

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allegations. But he's the guy

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from GlaxoSmithKline vaccine

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division, and he was on the

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board of the Google

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GlaxoSmithKline joint venture

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Galvani bioelectronics, which

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is, you know, focused on

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basically creating quote,

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unquote, medicines that modulate

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your neural activity, like,

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change and modify your nervous

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system. creepy stuff. So anyway,

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that's that's kind of the

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wheelhouse that Robert Caleb was

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involved with, but also in a

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really big way wearables. And I

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know that you and I, in our work

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over the past couple years have

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talked a lot about wearables

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and, and what that means. And so

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I guess the other side of that

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is this group called ARPA h.

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That was created relatively

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recently, but it's sort of a

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long standing agenda, I guess,

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you could say, of the national

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security state and in big tech,

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and some of these actors that

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really, you know, are

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essentially the same at this

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point. So I've sort of see

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Robert Califf, being at the FDA

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is the guy who's going to rubber

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stamp all the stuff that ARPA h,

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is going to produce. So when we

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see in this part of the

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executive order that I'm talking

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about, reducing the obstacles

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for commercialization, that to

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me speaks to Robert Kalos, wrote

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the FDA of getting rid of

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regulatory barriers for testing,

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and all of this stuff, so things

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can get on the market faster.

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And I see the, you know,

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advanced the science of scale up

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production of a company I wrote

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about recently, let's making the

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RNA for modernas. Updated.

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booster shot, resilience

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definitely falls in that

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category. But a lot of these,

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the developing of the

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technologies talking that

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they're talking about here in

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the artificial intelligence, and

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on all of that is likely to come

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from ARPA H. So you've written

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about ARPA H, and it's, um, new

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head who's I can't pronounce her

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last name, because there's like

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one vowel in it. Yeah. I could

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have figured it out, either.

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Yeah. So I was I did a podcast

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like yesterday, and I tried to

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pronounce that I was like,

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wegrzyn or something. I don't

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really know how to say it. Maybe

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you'd have a better. I'm just

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gonna call her Renee. Yeah.

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Okay. So we'll just call her

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Renee. Yeah. So Renee is in

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charge of ARPA H. And her

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appointment to being in charge

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of ARPA H actually coincided

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with this executive order. So

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can you tell us a little bit

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about ARPA H, what it's designed

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to do? Who Renee is, and why her

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employer is pretty central to

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all the stuff we're talking

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about.

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Yeah, actually, before that, I

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want to just comment on what

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you're talking about, about

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Robert Kala, if I appreciate it,

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bring that in there. Because I

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do think that's a really crucial

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component. And I'm glad that you

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mentioned that. And, you know,

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just to kind of cement further

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what you were already saying

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that like the background that he

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comes from, as you know, is is

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that you're saying Google

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Alphabet Inc. and their

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subsidiary verily life sciences,

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but I know that I'm pretty sure

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you wrote about and I wrote

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about briefly when we were doing

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the research back in, I think

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2020 About the operation warp

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speed and everything you were

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just talking about there. But

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specifically, when they started

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to announce these appointments

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for Operation warp speed, you

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can already see the connection

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between the Googles and you

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mentioned Galvani

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bioelectronics. And I think

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that's going to be important to

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you. I just want to point that

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again, because Galvani bio

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electronics like you know, we're

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hearing bioeconomy

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biotechnology, there's been some

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recent, not executive orders,

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but statements I can't remember

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which city It's escaping me

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right now. But a recent a mayor

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or governor came out in support

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of bioelectronics. I want to say

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New York saying like, we're

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gonna fund bio electronics, they

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didn't mention Galvani

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specifically. But again, I think

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this is a whole nother area of

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research that ties into this

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that people are going to be come

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familiar with. And I just want

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to quote briefly from this

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article I wrote at that time,

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describing what buy electronics

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is, and the reason I wanted to

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start to mention this is because

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actually, this is the report

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when I did a YouTube video about

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this that actually got me kicked

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off YouTube. Talking about the

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fact that by electronic

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medicine, what it's taught what

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it's focused on, or at least

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what they claim it's focused on,

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is tackling chronic diseases by

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using quote miniaturized

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implantable devices that can

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modify electric signals that can

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pass along nerves in the body,

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including regular or altered

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impulses that occur in many

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illnesses. So that's like what

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this guy's background is coming

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from, you know, Galvani by

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electrics verily life science,

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Google house, like, that's at

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least one of the fields that his

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you know, his companies or the

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companies he's been working with

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have been involved in. And as

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you're saying, now, that guy is

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at the head of the FDA, which I

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doubt there will be much

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resistance to any of these

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projects. I just wanted to make,

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you know, make that kind of

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further clear to everybody.

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Great, thanks. Yeah. And then as

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far as Rene and Arbor age, um,

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well, again, I'm I'm proud to be

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in in the same club as you

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Whitney when it comes to this,

570
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because as I shared recently,

571
00:16:22,980 --> 00:16:24,210
when I published this article,

572
00:16:25,020 --> 00:16:26,130
because I was originally like,

573
00:16:26,130 --> 00:16:27,180
most people just like, Okay,

574
00:16:27,180 --> 00:16:28,230
there's an executive order, let

575
00:16:28,230 --> 00:16:29,460
me do a write up about this. But

576
00:16:29,460 --> 00:16:30,510
then the more I dug in, it's

577
00:16:30,510 --> 00:16:31,470
like, Wait, hold on, they didn't

578
00:16:31,470 --> 00:16:32,550
just do this executive order.

579
00:16:32,550 --> 00:16:33,600
There was a summit about

580
00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,210
biotechnology, IO economy. They

581
00:16:36,210 --> 00:16:37,380
pointed that, you know, the the

582
00:16:37,380 --> 00:16:39,540
first Director of the Advanced

583
00:16:39,540 --> 00:16:40,830
Research Project Agency for

584
00:16:40,830 --> 00:16:43,800
Health, ARPA H, which you were

585
00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,600
writing about last year, last

586
00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:46,590
spring, you were writing about,

587
00:16:46,620 --> 00:16:46,890
you know,

588
00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,050
I wrote about it in 2019, to

589
00:16:49,110 --> 00:16:51,120
actually, so see, you've been

590
00:16:51,210 --> 00:16:52,830
on that. And then I was

591
00:16:52,830 --> 00:16:54,540
following that up with just

592
00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,190
something told me to like pay

593
00:16:56,190 --> 00:16:57,420
attention to ginkgo Bioworks.

594
00:16:57,420 --> 00:16:58,530
Last year, I can't remember what

595
00:16:58,560 --> 00:16:59,400
you know, really triggered

596
00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,170
initially, but it was maybe it

597
00:17:01,170 --> 00:17:02,220
was just the fact that they call

598
00:17:02,220 --> 00:17:04,770
themselves a life design company

599
00:17:04,770 --> 00:17:06,420
or a Bioworks company that, you

600
00:17:06,420 --> 00:17:08,160
know, they just all that whole

601
00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:09,120
field of research, it really

602
00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:10,590
caught my eye. So I was already

603
00:17:10,590 --> 00:17:11,790
kind of pay attention to them.

604
00:17:11,790 --> 00:17:14,250
And if people were following

605
00:17:14,250 --> 00:17:15,210
both of our work, well, then

606
00:17:15,210 --> 00:17:16,200
they would have known that ARPA

607
00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:17,580
H had been announced. And that

608
00:17:17,580 --> 00:17:19,020
soon there would be a director

609
00:17:19,020 --> 00:17:20,280
and they'd seen my article, they

610
00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:21,600
might have some indication that,

611
00:17:22,020 --> 00:17:23,070
you know, maybe we didn't know

612
00:17:23,070 --> 00:17:24,120
100% was going to come from

613
00:17:24,120 --> 00:17:25,830
ginkgo Bioworks. But clearly,

614
00:17:25,860 --> 00:17:26,820
you could suspect those going to

615
00:17:26,820 --> 00:17:28,740
come from that industry. Because

616
00:17:28,740 --> 00:17:30,330
those are the people pushing and

617
00:17:30,330 --> 00:17:31,320
driving. And again, this is

618
00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:32,340
another area where you got the

619
00:17:32,340 --> 00:17:33,840
revolving door between industry

620
00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,330
and government. So with all that

621
00:17:36,330 --> 00:17:39,000
said, Renee comes from gingko

622
00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,440
Bioworks. And that's the company

623
00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:41,910
that I was focusing on because

624
00:17:41,940 --> 00:17:43,320
again, they call themselves

625
00:17:43,350 --> 00:17:44,880
Bioworks company, they call

626
00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,520
themselves, life design. And

627
00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,620
their CEO is pretty blatant,

628
00:17:49,620 --> 00:17:51,240
Jason Kelly, about discussing

629
00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,070
like the, what they do, I'm just

630
00:17:53,070 --> 00:17:54,150
gonna read this quote that I put

631
00:17:54,150 --> 00:17:56,100
in there, when he actually

632
00:17:56,100 --> 00:17:57,180
attended the White House's

633
00:17:57,180 --> 00:17:59,580
Summit. He said today, gingko is

634
00:17:59,580 --> 00:18:00,480
the largest designer of

635
00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:01,980
synthetic DNA in the world. What

636
00:18:01,980 --> 00:18:03,060
does that mean? It means you go

637
00:18:03,060 --> 00:18:05,370
on a computer, you type a TC GG

638
00:18:05,370 --> 00:18:06,990
G, you hit print, and a piece of

639
00:18:06,990 --> 00:18:08,580
DNA gets printed out of our labs

640
00:18:08,580 --> 00:18:10,080
in Boston, or our partner

641
00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:11,160
companies like twist in

642
00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:12,780
California, we then take the

643
00:18:12,780 --> 00:18:14,550
DNA, we put it into the genome

644
00:18:14,550 --> 00:18:15,690
of a cell, and here's that

645
00:18:15,690 --> 00:18:17,130
language, again, like installing

646
00:18:17,130 --> 00:18:18,720
an app on your phone, and it

647
00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,190
makes the cell do something new.

648
00:18:20,460 --> 00:18:22,050
That's our business, we do that

649
00:18:22,050 --> 00:18:24,180
as a service for customers. So

650
00:18:24,210 --> 00:18:25,290
you know, one thing is, I think

651
00:18:25,290 --> 00:18:26,190
that like we were pointing out a

652
00:18:26,190 --> 00:18:27,720
couple moments ago, I think

653
00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:28,920
we're gonna continue to see the

654
00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,000
use of this kind of, or the

655
00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,050
normalization of this kind of

656
00:18:31,050 --> 00:18:32,790
language about upgrading your

657
00:18:32,790 --> 00:18:35,070
software and installing an app

658
00:18:35,070 --> 00:18:36,060
and you know, all these kinds of

659
00:18:36,060 --> 00:18:36,870
things they want, you know,

660
00:18:36,870 --> 00:18:37,800
clearly they want people

661
00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,450
to, that's the framing I think

662
00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,700
they want people to internalize

663
00:18:41,700 --> 00:18:42,840
and understand, but I don't

664
00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:44,850
think it's necessarily accurate.

665
00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:47,610
Here, because people are

666
00:18:47,610 --> 00:18:49,170
basically being an experiment.

667
00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,230
Yeah, exactly. unproven, genetic

668
00:18:52,230 --> 00:18:54,360
editing technology, that, you

669
00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:55,290
know, not even talking about

670
00:18:55,290 --> 00:18:57,360
mRNA gene therapies or quote,

671
00:18:57,360 --> 00:18:58,830
unquote, vaccines or whatever.

672
00:18:59,100 --> 00:18:59,940
You know, if you're talking

673
00:18:59,940 --> 00:19:01,890
about things like CRISPR, study

674
00:19:01,890 --> 00:19:03,030
after study, and I'm sure you've

675
00:19:03,030 --> 00:19:05,040
seen this, that has come out

676
00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:06,660
about CRISPR shows that it's not

677
00:19:06,660 --> 00:19:08,520
as precise as people sold it as

678
00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,220
being. And it's basically, you

679
00:19:11,220 --> 00:19:12,780
know, very unlikely to give you

680
00:19:12,780 --> 00:19:14,610
cancer basically, by, you know,

681
00:19:14,610 --> 00:19:15,930
cutting your DNA in the wrong

682
00:19:15,930 --> 00:19:19,500
place, and preventing DNA repair

683
00:19:19,500 --> 00:19:21,000
and all sorts of other problems.

684
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,740
And, you know, there's infinite

685
00:19:22,740 --> 00:19:24,180
studies, not infinite, but

686
00:19:24,210 --> 00:19:25,890
numerous studies at this point,

687
00:19:26,730 --> 00:19:28,080
raising alarm bells about

688
00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,490
CRISPR. And so the idea that

689
00:19:29,490 --> 00:19:31,830
this executive order is pushing

690
00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:33,270
for technologies like that, to

691
00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:35,610
not have regulatory barriers, so

692
00:19:35,610 --> 00:19:37,050
they can be put on the market

693
00:19:37,050 --> 00:19:39,090
faster. This is really alarming

694
00:19:39,090 --> 00:19:40,410
stuff. But you know, they've

695
00:19:40,410 --> 00:19:42,750
normalized that type of activity

696
00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,390
at the federal level so much

697
00:19:45,390 --> 00:19:47,190
with COVID-19 that it's very

698
00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:48,990
possible if they sell it right

699
00:19:48,990 --> 00:19:50,640
to, you know, the people that,

700
00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:52,290
you know, by these types of

701
00:19:52,290 --> 00:19:54,120
narratives still, um, you know,

702
00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:55,260
they'll be able to get away with

703
00:19:55,260 --> 00:19:56,610
it. It seems like what are your

704
00:19:56,610 --> 00:19:57,120
thoughts?

705
00:19:57,540 --> 00:19:58,680
No, I think you're right, I

706
00:19:58,680 --> 00:19:59,790
think you're 100% right, and

707
00:19:59,790 --> 00:20:01,080
you're all So correct that like,

708
00:20:01,110 --> 00:20:02,400
just because they're using that

709
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:03,780
language doesn't mean you're

710
00:20:03,810 --> 00:20:05,370
turning, you know that it's

711
00:20:05,370 --> 00:20:06,630
accurate in the way they want to

712
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:07,920
use it. But I do think it is

713
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,170
that we will continue to see it

714
00:20:10,170 --> 00:20:12,000
because they do want people to

715
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:12,870
and I think this is where the

716
00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:15,180
idea of the transhumanism aspect

717
00:20:15,180 --> 00:20:15,960
comes in, obviously, they were

718
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,520
talking about, like, altering

719
00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,590
DNA like that already gets into,

720
00:20:19,620 --> 00:20:21,450
you know, changing, potentially

721
00:20:21,450 --> 00:20:23,040
what it means to be human, but

722
00:20:23,070 --> 00:20:24,480
even in the language they want

723
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:25,530
people to, and I think it's

724
00:20:25,530 --> 00:20:27,720
because they know how much how

725
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,820
obsessed we are as a species

726
00:20:29,820 --> 00:20:31,260
with digital technology with the

727
00:20:31,260 --> 00:20:32,370
latest phones, the latest

728
00:20:32,370 --> 00:20:33,570
computers and whatnot. And so

729
00:20:33,570 --> 00:20:37,500
maybe not all of us, right? Some

730
00:20:37,500 --> 00:20:39,750
of us more than others. Some of

731
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:41,400
us, you stay out all night and

732
00:20:41,670 --> 00:20:43,050
camp out in front of businesses

733
00:20:43,050 --> 00:20:44,190
to get the latest phone, right.

734
00:20:44,190 --> 00:20:45,150
Some of us just use the

735
00:20:45,150 --> 00:20:46,830
technology. But I think the

736
00:20:46,830 --> 00:20:48,300
point is they they want to try

737
00:20:48,300 --> 00:20:50,100
to normalize and conditioned

738
00:20:50,100 --> 00:20:51,270
people to look at themselves

739
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:53,400
like, Oh, you're just a phone to

740
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:54,570
be upgraded. You're an app to

741
00:20:54,570 --> 00:20:55,920
be, you know, downloaded

742
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,200
software, etc. So, anyways,

743
00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,030
getting to back to Renee, our

744
00:21:00,030 --> 00:21:01,650
friend Renee here with the

745
00:21:02,100 --> 00:21:03,750
difficult last name, she's

746
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:05,790
coming from molecular biology,

747
00:21:05,790 --> 00:21:07,050
bioengineering background at

748
00:21:07,050 --> 00:21:09,600
Georgia Tech, and then a just

749
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,550
host of DARPA programs. So

750
00:21:11,550 --> 00:21:12,480
anybody listening to this

751
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:13,800
program, probably familiar with

752
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,330
DARPA, but I mean, she worked at

753
00:21:15,330 --> 00:21:16,950
DARPA as biological Technologies

754
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:18,210
Office, she managed their

755
00:21:18,210 --> 00:21:19,380
genetic engineering and gene

756
00:21:19,380 --> 00:21:20,790
editing projects focused on

757
00:21:20,790 --> 00:21:22,560
biosecurity, she's worked with

758
00:21:23,220 --> 00:21:24,870
at least a half a dozen DARPA

759
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:27,300
projects that I found, and then

760
00:21:27,630 --> 00:21:29,520
worked also for another DARPA

761
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:30,690
inspired agency, the

762
00:21:30,690 --> 00:21:32,040
intelligence Advanced Research

763
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,320
Project Agency, and then advised

764
00:21:34,350 --> 00:21:36,060
ARPA E, which is the our

765
00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:37,680
Advanced Research Project Agency

766
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,480
for energy. So the government

767
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:40,770
has clearly come to this woman

768
00:21:41,010 --> 00:21:42,840
and got her quote unquote,

769
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,790
expertise or knowledge and

770
00:21:44,790 --> 00:21:45,900
several different areas, not

771
00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:47,550
only directly working with DARPA

772
00:21:47,550 --> 00:21:48,570
and other projects, but then

773
00:21:48,570 --> 00:21:50,040
working with two other agencies

774
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:51,120
that are sort of DARPA

775
00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:52,080
influence. And then now

776
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,340
obviously, being appointed to

777
00:21:53,340 --> 00:21:56,520
the head of this new agency that

778
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,050
is obviously inspired by DARPA.

779
00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,550
Yeah. So if I can comment there

780
00:21:59,550 --> 00:22:01,410
really quick. First of all, that

781
00:22:01,410 --> 00:22:02,490
agencies aren't one of those

782
00:22:02,490 --> 00:22:03,780
DARPA inspired agencies. You

783
00:22:03,780 --> 00:22:05,670
mentioned the intelligence.

784
00:22:06,540 --> 00:22:08,490
Yeah, that's like the CIA's ARPA

785
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,320
IARPA for people that don't

786
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,510
know. And they they have a

787
00:22:12,510 --> 00:22:13,920
representative on this national

788
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,240
security commission on AI that

789
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,950
I've written about for T laugh

790
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:19,500
and in other places, but

791
00:22:19,500 --> 00:22:20,520
specifically at DARPA, you

792
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:21,510
pointed out that she worked at

793
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:22,980
the BTO office, which is the

794
00:22:22,980 --> 00:22:24,930
biological Technologies Office.

795
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:26,370
And the longtime head of that

796
00:22:26,370 --> 00:22:27,720
office is a guy named Jeffrey

797
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,640
Ling. And he was the guy tapped

798
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,140
by this guy named Bob Wright,

799
00:22:31,140 --> 00:22:32,220
who was the guy originally

800
00:22:32,220 --> 00:22:33,570
sharping around the idea for

801
00:22:33,570 --> 00:22:36,570
Harpa, later renamed and created

802
00:22:36,570 --> 00:22:39,870
as ARPA H. Jeffrey link designed

803
00:22:39,930 --> 00:22:43,710
that program originally, and for

804
00:22:43,710 --> 00:22:46,590
people that don't remember Harpa

805
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:48,090
was originally being marketed as

806
00:22:48,090 --> 00:22:49,230
something very different. So

807
00:22:49,230 --> 00:22:50,070
when the the Biden

808
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:51,450
administration came out with

809
00:22:52,140 --> 00:22:53,730
ARPA H, they acted like it was

810
00:22:53,730 --> 00:22:56,340
their idea, not, you know, from

811
00:22:56,550 --> 00:22:58,260
the Trump era and framed it as a

812
00:22:58,260 --> 00:23:00,210
way to cure cancer and cure

813
00:23:00,210 --> 00:23:01,620
Alzheimer's and all of this

814
00:23:01,620 --> 00:23:03,090
stuff. Yeah. But when it was

815
00:23:03,090 --> 00:23:04,020
being pitched by the Trump

816
00:23:04,020 --> 00:23:05,430
administration, it was mainly

817
00:23:05,490 --> 00:23:07,620
Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner,

818
00:23:07,890 --> 00:23:10,800
and in this Bob Wright guy who

819
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:11,940
was a, I guess, a former

820
00:23:11,940 --> 00:23:14,520
executive at NBC Universal, and

821
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:15,690
had some sort of relationship

822
00:23:15,690 --> 00:23:17,010
with Trump from the apprentice,

823
00:23:17,010 --> 00:23:18,240
I think, or something like that

824
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,340
was how they knew each other in

825
00:23:20,340 --> 00:23:23,220
the idea. Then, at the time, the

826
00:23:23,220 --> 00:23:25,590
idea of Harpa, their first

827
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:26,760
program was going to be called

828
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,740
Safe Home, I think was the

829
00:23:28,740 --> 00:23:30,210
acronym, but basically what it

830
00:23:30,210 --> 00:23:32,100
was about was data mining

831
00:23:32,100 --> 00:23:34,110
American social media activity,

832
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,330
and then using an AI to screen

833
00:23:36,330 --> 00:23:37,890
it to identify early warning

834
00:23:37,890 --> 00:23:39,660
signs of quote, neuro

835
00:23:39,660 --> 00:23:42,210
psychiatric violence, to try and

836
00:23:42,210 --> 00:23:44,490
prevent mass shootings before

837
00:23:44,490 --> 00:23:46,320
that can happen. And this was

838
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,490
coming at a time when there was

839
00:23:47,490 --> 00:23:48,780
like the El Paso Walmart

840
00:23:48,780 --> 00:23:50,970
shooting, and a lot of other

841
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,340
mass shootings sort of happening

842
00:23:53,340 --> 00:23:54,330
in the span of a couple of

843
00:23:54,330 --> 00:23:56,880
weeks. And not that long before

844
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,380
the El Paso shooting, William

845
00:23:58,380 --> 00:23:59,550
Barr, who was an attorney

846
00:23:59,550 --> 00:24:01,290
general, basically said there

847
00:24:01,290 --> 00:24:02,670
was going to be some sort of

848
00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:04,260
event that was going to

849
00:24:04,260 --> 00:24:06,780
galvanize people around pre

850
00:24:06,780 --> 00:24:09,300
crime policy. For those that

851
00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:11,220
remember that I wrote about it

852
00:24:11,220 --> 00:24:12,510
at the time. And then he

853
00:24:12,510 --> 00:24:14,040
actually created a pre crime

854
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,780
program before he left to the

855
00:24:15,780 --> 00:24:16,800
Trump administration that's

856
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:17,910
still in effect today called

857
00:24:17,910 --> 00:24:21,630
deep. So for why so I wanted to

858
00:24:21,630 --> 00:24:22,710
bring that up for people

859
00:24:22,770 --> 00:24:24,750
because, you know, ARPA H, or

860
00:24:24,750 --> 00:24:27,810
Harpa is a lot more than just,

861
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,490
you know, curing cancer and gene

862
00:24:29,490 --> 00:24:30,990
editing and all of this stuff.

863
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:34,020
It's definitely, you know, they

864
00:24:34,020 --> 00:24:35,430
have a lot of programs under it.

865
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:36,330
But anyway, the guy that

866
00:24:36,330 --> 00:24:38,220
designed Harpa, at that time

867
00:24:38,220 --> 00:24:39,180
when they were pitching those

868
00:24:39,180 --> 00:24:40,920
programs, is the same guy that

869
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,040
Rene worked under. And, you

870
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,180
know, oversaw a lot of these

871
00:24:45,180 --> 00:24:47,670
other gene editing projects

872
00:24:47,670 --> 00:24:48,570
because the biological

873
00:24:48,570 --> 00:24:49,980
Technologies Office is one of

874
00:24:49,980 --> 00:24:52,110
these, I guess, you could say

875
00:24:52,110 --> 00:24:53,700
offices at DARPA that's focused

876
00:24:53,700 --> 00:24:55,590
on quote unquote convergence.

877
00:24:55,860 --> 00:24:57,240
Just sort of like the the

878
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,830
bringing together of man and

879
00:24:58,830 --> 00:25:00,840
machine and I'm a former DARPA

880
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,940
director, who I've written about

881
00:25:02,940 --> 00:25:04,500
a lot because she leads the

882
00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:06,570
Wellcome Trust DARPA, called the

883
00:25:06,570 --> 00:25:09,030
Wellcome leap, Regina Dugan. She

884
00:25:09,030 --> 00:25:11,550
describes it as fixing the,

885
00:25:11,730 --> 00:25:14,220
quote, quote unquote, mismatch

886
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,710
between humans and machines. So

887
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:17,910
that's basically what BTOS

888
00:25:17,910 --> 00:25:18,390
about.

889
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:20,310
Well, yeah, no doubt, appreciate

890
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:22,320
that, you know, deeper dive on

891
00:25:22,350 --> 00:25:23,490
that office. And hopefully that

892
00:25:23,490 --> 00:25:24,720
gives some more background for

893
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,760
those who are curious about

894
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,680
where Renee is coming from, and

895
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:30,000
the type of agencies I mean,

896
00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:31,170
each of the honestly, like if

897
00:25:31,170 --> 00:25:32,910
there was the time and the

898
00:25:32,910 --> 00:25:34,530
energy for each of these

899
00:25:34,530 --> 00:25:36,390
different projects that she is

900
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:37,380
involved in, and for anybody

901
00:25:37,380 --> 00:25:38,880
else out there who's researcher

902
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,290
wants to help do some legwork

903
00:25:40,290 --> 00:25:42,420
for us. I mean, I would, I would

904
00:25:42,420 --> 00:25:43,290
guess, that each of these

905
00:25:43,290 --> 00:25:44,400
projects he was involved in are

906
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,050
probably worth a dive into to

907
00:25:46,050 --> 00:25:47,550
see, you know, what did they

908
00:25:47,580 --> 00:25:48,510
what were what was she

909
00:25:48,510 --> 00:25:49,500
researching? What are the

910
00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:50,820
projects, you know, conclude?

911
00:25:51,060 --> 00:25:52,110
Who was she working with those

912
00:25:52,110 --> 00:25:53,370
kinds of things? Because they

913
00:25:53,370 --> 00:25:55,290
might give us some more insight

914
00:25:55,290 --> 00:25:57,000
into what she's going to do now

915
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:57,810
as the director?

916
00:25:58,620 --> 00:26:00,270
Yeah, well, I don't think, you

917
00:26:00,270 --> 00:26:02,970
know, I think we can guess, more

918
00:26:02,970 --> 00:26:03,510
or less you

919
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:04,410
see where it's headed, though,

920
00:26:04,410 --> 00:26:05,430
right? Yeah. Cuz,

921
00:26:05,490 --> 00:26:06,930
I mean, she's basically, you

922
00:26:06,930 --> 00:26:09,390
know, a point person, I guess

923
00:26:09,390 --> 00:26:11,190
you could say, for the people

924
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:13,410
sort of deciding the directions

925
00:26:13,410 --> 00:26:15,720
these things go in. And

926
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,340
basically, you know, as my work

927
00:26:17,340 --> 00:26:18,570
on this type of stuff has shown

928
00:26:18,570 --> 00:26:20,220
it's a lot of them as are

929
00:26:20,220 --> 00:26:21,540
basically the top guys at

930
00:26:21,540 --> 00:26:23,940
Silicon Valley. And top guys in

931
00:26:23,940 --> 00:26:25,350
the national security state,

932
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,480
with a major role from from the

933
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,010
intelligence community, like in

934
00:26:29,010 --> 00:26:32,070
Q TEL is all over this stuff. In

935
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:34,230
the CIA, you know, is all over

936
00:26:34,620 --> 00:26:36,300
Boston connection as well, like

937
00:26:36,300 --> 00:26:39,000
I noticed when I was researching

938
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,020
this, and looking up, you know,

939
00:26:40,020 --> 00:26:40,680
because they really, they

940
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,300
haven't decided officially where

941
00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:43,320
they're going to headquarter

942
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,080
ARPA H. And there's, there's all

943
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,520
these people in Boston, which

944
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:48,480
obviously, you got Boston

945
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,220
Dynamics, you got gingko

946
00:26:50,220 --> 00:26:51,360
Bioworks is headquartered there.

947
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:52,590
There's a lot of that nexus

948
00:26:52,590 --> 00:26:55,170
there that are trying to pull

949
00:26:55,170 --> 00:26:57,180
for them to base it there. And

950
00:26:57,180 --> 00:26:58,440
then apparently, there's some

951
00:26:58,800 --> 00:26:59,700
the tech companies that are

952
00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:00,780
fighting to get RPh,

953
00:27:00,780 --> 00:27:02,490
headquartered in Texas. And then

954
00:27:02,490 --> 00:27:03,690
I think there's one other state

955
00:27:03,690 --> 00:27:05,250
that's fighting for it. So I

956
00:27:05,250 --> 00:27:07,140
think that you know, do you want

957
00:27:07,140 --> 00:27:09,960
it? So I feel about it. I think

958
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:10,920
that should tell people, though,

959
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,270
like, the places that are

960
00:27:12,270 --> 00:27:13,440
calling for the people that are

961
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:14,880
calling for it. So I mean, I'm

962
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,170
from Texas, originally. And

963
00:27:16,170 --> 00:27:17,850
places like Austin have become

964
00:27:17,850 --> 00:27:20,130
like the new and even Houston,

965
00:27:20,130 --> 00:27:21,300
they're trying to call it what

966
00:27:21,300 --> 00:27:22,320
are they trying to call it the

967
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,390
silicon Bayou of the South or

968
00:27:24,390 --> 00:27:26,910
some, some some icon by you?

969
00:27:26,910 --> 00:27:28,620
Wow, because they're inviting

970
00:27:28,620 --> 00:27:30,150
all the tech companies now. But

971
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,360
yeah, I don't know if they'll

972
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:34,560
get it. But it's just, you know,

973
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:35,910
to add to the point that if you

974
00:27:35,910 --> 00:27:37,590
see, wherever you see this

975
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,330
company ending up, whether it's

976
00:27:39,330 --> 00:27:40,980
in Texas or Boston, I think, you

977
00:27:40,980 --> 00:27:42,180
know, it'll probably give us

978
00:27:42,180 --> 00:27:43,830
some insight into you know, who

979
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,360
the influences are going to be

980
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:46,530
around because like I said,

981
00:27:46,530 --> 00:27:47,940
ginkgo Bioworks wants to keep

982
00:27:47,970 --> 00:27:49,320
our page close to home, which

983
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,550
isn't surprising, since you

984
00:27:50,550 --> 00:27:51,780
know, their former, or their

985
00:27:51,780 --> 00:27:54,030
current VP is going to go over

986
00:27:54,030 --> 00:27:55,050
there and work with them. I'm

987
00:27:55,050 --> 00:27:56,850
sure there'll be some, some nice

988
00:27:56,850 --> 00:27:58,080
lunches and dinners for them to

989
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,160
get together and discuss how

990
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,510
they can shove their projects

991
00:28:00,510 --> 00:28:03,420
through. And again, like the CEO

992
00:28:03,420 --> 00:28:04,650
of the company that she's coming

993
00:28:04,650 --> 00:28:07,050
from, is saying they are their

994
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,760
job is to print out DNA in a

995
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,740
lab, partner with other people

996
00:28:11,070 --> 00:28:12,840
put it into Jima genome is of a

997
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,400
cell like installing an app on

998
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:15,630
your phone like that's, you

999
00:28:15,630 --> 00:28:16,740
know, that's the kind of things

1000
00:28:16,740 --> 00:28:17,430
they're promoting. And of

1001
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:18,510
course, I don't think we've

1002
00:28:18,510 --> 00:28:19,920
mentioned this yet. But the

1003
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,560
Biden announcements also they

1004
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:23,670
they frame, everything like this

1005
00:28:23,670 --> 00:28:24,600
is going to help fight

1006
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:26,250
Alzheimer's and cancer. They

1007
00:28:26,250 --> 00:28:27,270
talked about the moonshot

1008
00:28:27,270 --> 00:28:28,320
program, which I think that's a

1009
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,460
whole nother there's some

1010
00:28:29,460 --> 00:28:30,570
research to be done there too,

1011
00:28:30,570 --> 00:28:33,090
as well. But yeah, they want to

1012
00:28:33,090 --> 00:28:34,380
frame it like this is all about

1013
00:28:34,380 --> 00:28:36,630
helping fight diseases and all

1014
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:37,860
that. But really, as you were

1015
00:28:37,860 --> 00:28:39,090
pointing out a moment ago, it's

1016
00:28:39,090 --> 00:28:41,280
part of the overall biosecurity

1017
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,810
state that we've seen coming in,

1018
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:43,890
in recent years.

1019
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:45,360
Yeah. Another thing I want to

1020
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,920
point out, though, is that the

1021
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:47,970
guy that was supposed to be

1022
00:28:47,970 --> 00:28:50,820
really influential in ARPA H. I

1023
00:28:50,820 --> 00:28:52,830
think the reason they had to

1024
00:28:52,830 --> 00:28:54,480
wait so long to put Renee in

1025
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,240
charge is because Eric Lander

1026
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,280
had to go. And so Eric Lander

1027
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,190
was the top science adviser to

1028
00:29:02,190 --> 00:29:03,870
Biden, and he was running I

1029
00:29:03,870 --> 00:29:04,980
guess it's called the Office of

1030
00:29:04,980 --> 00:29:06,540
Science and Technology within

1031
00:29:06,540 --> 00:29:07,860
the White House. And so he was

1032
00:29:07,860 --> 00:29:08,910
going to play a major role in

1033
00:29:08,910 --> 00:29:10,440
shaping our page, but he was

1034
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:11,670
forced to resign, I think

1035
00:29:11,670 --> 00:29:13,680
earlier this year over

1036
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,170
harassment allegations again. So

1037
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,240
I guess he and Moncef so well,

1038
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,250
we are to two peas in a pod in

1039
00:29:20,250 --> 00:29:22,020
that sense, but Eric Lander is

1040
00:29:22,020 --> 00:29:24,600
I've written about before was

1041
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,610
Epstein Jeffrey Epstein funded,

1042
00:29:27,090 --> 00:29:29,910
has has is on record praising

1043
00:29:29,940 --> 00:29:32,160
you Genesis, played a major role

1044
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,570
in the Human Genome Project,

1045
00:29:33,570 --> 00:29:34,350
which if you look into the

1046
00:29:34,350 --> 00:29:36,150
history of that was itself

1047
00:29:36,150 --> 00:29:38,580
created by a guy named Walter

1048
00:29:38,580 --> 00:29:40,860
Bodmer. And he dreamt up the

1049
00:29:40,860 --> 00:29:42,330
idea at the time he was a member

1050
00:29:42,330 --> 00:29:44,070
of the British eugenics society,

1051
00:29:44,220 --> 00:29:45,450
because at that time, the

1052
00:29:45,450 --> 00:29:46,950
British eugenics society in the

1053
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:48,630
80s was still called that they

1054
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:50,940
waited until 1989, to rename

1055
00:29:50,940 --> 00:29:52,650
themselves the Galton Institute

1056
00:29:53,610 --> 00:29:56,160
and Galton is named for Francis

1057
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,330
Galton, the guy that invented

1058
00:29:57,330 --> 00:29:58,710
eugenics. So it's not really

1059
00:29:58,710 --> 00:30:00,870
that much of a have changed

1060
00:30:00,870 --> 00:30:03,330
there. So you know, it's a

1061
00:30:03,330 --> 00:30:04,590
little concerning especially

1062
00:30:04,590 --> 00:30:05,550
when you consider some of the

1063
00:30:05,550 --> 00:30:07,800
stuff that John Cleese AK and

1064
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,300
also myself have written about

1065
00:30:09,300 --> 00:30:11,490
the, the guy that coined the

1066
00:30:11,490 --> 00:30:13,200
term transhumanism was head of

1067
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,820
the brightness eugenics society,

1068
00:30:14,820 --> 00:30:17,130
Julian Huxley. So, you know,

1069
00:30:17,130 --> 00:30:19,380
there's a lot of overlap there.

1070
00:30:19,380 --> 00:30:21,660
So how do you, you mentioned in

1071
00:30:21,660 --> 00:30:22,710
your article that people like

1072
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:24,780
Patrick wood, for example, who

1073
00:30:24,810 --> 00:30:26,310
was on my podcast relatively

1074
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:28,740
recently described this

1075
00:30:28,740 --> 00:30:30,630
executive order, saying it would

1076
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:32,100
institutionalize eugenics and

1077
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:33,750
transhumanism? What are your

1078
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:34,560
thoughts on that?

1079
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,430
Um, I do tend to agree. So I

1080
00:30:38,430 --> 00:30:39,720
mean, I was starting the article

1081
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,250
out, not necessarily that I, you

1082
00:30:41,250 --> 00:30:42,540
know, didn't believe what

1083
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:43,650
Patrick was saying, or, and I

1084
00:30:43,650 --> 00:30:45,000
also quoted Jason Berman, and

1085
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,820
another report. But, you know, I

1086
00:30:47,820 --> 00:30:48,870
wanted to kind of play devil's

1087
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:49,710
advocate and say, like, let's

1088
00:30:49,710 --> 00:30:50,700
see what this is really about,

1089
00:30:50,700 --> 00:30:51,840
right? Because I think sometimes

1090
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,910
in the broader community, people

1091
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,560
see terms especially when it

1092
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,120
comes to science, it see terms

1093
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,230
that maybe they don't understand

1094
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:59,730
that sounds scary or weird, or

1095
00:30:59,730 --> 00:31:01,860
whatever. And we can maybe rush

1096
00:31:01,860 --> 00:31:03,030
to make assumptions and things

1097
00:31:03,030 --> 00:31:05,400
like that. So I wanted to take

1098
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,510
Okay, let's really look at this

1099
00:31:06,510 --> 00:31:09,060
and see if the, the concern or

1100
00:31:09,060 --> 00:31:10,230
the fear that people are

1101
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:11,910
expressing when they see the bio

1102
00:31:11,910 --> 00:31:13,230
economy, whether they know what

1103
00:31:13,230 --> 00:31:15,210
it means or not, is warranted.

1104
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,800
And I think that the deeper you

1105
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:17,760
dive into this, and as you were

1106
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,530
just pointing out with the

1107
00:31:19,530 --> 00:31:20,730
connection to eugenics with a

1108
00:31:20,730 --> 00:31:22,500
lot of this studying of DNA,

1109
00:31:22,650 --> 00:31:24,420
studying of the human genome, I

1110
00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:25,650
mean, all of that stuff, it

1111
00:31:25,650 --> 00:31:26,910
goes, it goes back to the

1112
00:31:26,910 --> 00:31:28,680
eugenics movement, population

1113
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,300
control, you know, and then

1114
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:32,310
trying to even the idea of like

1115
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:34,830
trying to breed out undesirables

1116
00:31:34,830 --> 00:31:36,990
and things like that, I mean, so

1117
00:31:36,990 --> 00:31:38,160
much of this reminds me of the

1118
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,570
movie Gattaca. And if anybody

1119
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:40,740
has, if you've ever seen that

1120
00:31:40,740 --> 00:31:41,700
everybody hasn't seen that

1121
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:43,710
encourage you to watch it. If

1122
00:31:43,710 --> 00:31:46,020
only for just getting a taste of

1123
00:31:46,020 --> 00:31:47,070
what the world that I think

1124
00:31:47,070 --> 00:31:48,150
these folks are headed for. It's

1125
00:31:48,150 --> 00:31:50,400
the world of. And again, I don't

1126
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:51,600
think the movie shows probably

1127
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,100
the worst parts of it. But they

1128
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:54,750
have a world where people can

1129
00:31:55,530 --> 00:31:56,550
genetically engineer their

1130
00:31:56,550 --> 00:31:58,650
babies for, you know, make sure

1131
00:31:58,650 --> 00:31:59,790
you get the right eye color and

1132
00:31:59,790 --> 00:32:00,720
the right hair color. But then

1133
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,460
also, if you have the money, you

1134
00:32:02,460 --> 00:32:04,170
can make sure your babies you

1135
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,460
take out the parts of their DNA

1136
00:32:05,460 --> 00:32:06,240
that are going to give them a

1137
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,160
predisposition to alcoholism or

1138
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:10,200
predisposition to, you know,

1139
00:32:11,340 --> 00:32:12,570
immoral behavior, whatever the

1140
00:32:12,570 --> 00:32:14,010
heck that means, right? And so

1141
00:32:14,010 --> 00:32:15,240
clearly there ends up being a

1142
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,650
class society where there's the

1143
00:32:16,650 --> 00:32:18,690
people who are normal old school

1144
00:32:18,690 --> 00:32:19,950
humans and in the people who are

1145
00:32:19,950 --> 00:32:21,000
starting to like genetically

1146
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,170
engineered genetically modify

1147
00:32:22,170 --> 00:32:24,000
themselves to be faster,

1148
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,290
smarter. Those are the people

1149
00:32:25,290 --> 00:32:26,280
that go to space. Those are the

1150
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,110
people that have like the power

1151
00:32:28,110 --> 00:32:29,100
and the rest of us are kind of

1152
00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:30,690
like the plebes, you know, doing

1153
00:32:30,690 --> 00:32:32,250
janitor jobs or doing menial

1154
00:32:32,250 --> 00:32:34,260
work? I really think that that's

1155
00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:35,760
kind of an indication of what

1156
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,050
these types of companies see.

1157
00:32:37,050 --> 00:32:38,550
And again, does that mean that

1158
00:32:38,550 --> 00:32:39,990
every single person involved in

1159
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:41,760
this research is a eugenicist? I

1160
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,130
mean, I would wager not. I mean,

1161
00:32:44,130 --> 00:32:45,600
maybe so it could be. But I

1162
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,370
would think maybe that there are

1163
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,990
genuine people who think that

1164
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,180
their specific niche area of

1165
00:32:51,180 --> 00:32:52,680
research and science is

1166
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,060
contributing to something good

1167
00:32:54,210 --> 00:32:55,650
without recognizing like the

1168
00:32:55,650 --> 00:32:58,170
larger push towards this sort of

1169
00:32:58,170 --> 00:33:00,420
eugenics mindset of altering,

1170
00:33:00,420 --> 00:33:02,070
messing with DNA, synthetic

1171
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:04,860
biology, bio manufacturing, and

1172
00:33:04,860 --> 00:33:07,080
not just like, bio

1173
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,360
manufacturing, as the executive

1174
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:10,530
order talks about, like writing

1175
00:33:10,530 --> 00:33:11,460
ourselves, like certain

1176
00:33:11,490 --> 00:33:12,990
circuitry. I think that's, you

1177
00:33:12,990 --> 00:33:15,030
know, more about what this is

1178
00:33:15,030 --> 00:33:17,130
about is getting people used to

1179
00:33:17,130 --> 00:33:18,510
that. And yeah, it could be

1180
00:33:18,510 --> 00:33:19,380
like, if you've got the money,

1181
00:33:19,380 --> 00:33:21,330
you can go, oh, well, let me

1182
00:33:21,330 --> 00:33:22,650
point this out. I forgot this. I

1183
00:33:22,650 --> 00:33:24,150
listened to a talk about Rene,

1184
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,650
or from Rene, while I was

1185
00:33:25,650 --> 00:33:26,670
writing this article, and it was

1186
00:33:26,670 --> 00:33:28,320
called engineering, Gene safety.

1187
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:29,400
And in that talk, she actually

1188
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:30,870
discusses transhumanism at some

1189
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:32,400
point. And she says something to

1190
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:33,750
the effect that we're moving

1191
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:35,640
into the age now, where when you

1192
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:36,840
run into somebody on the street,

1193
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:38,430
you're going to be the question

1194
00:33:38,430 --> 00:33:40,470
you ask them is going to be what

1195
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:41,970
genes are you on? You know, what

1196
00:33:41,970 --> 00:33:43,620
genes have you upgraded or

1197
00:33:43,650 --> 00:33:45,120
downloaded today? You know what

1198
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,560
to change your eye color or to

1199
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:47,700
make you faster? What you know,

1200
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:48,780
that's, of course, in their

1201
00:33:48,810 --> 00:33:50,790
utopian, best case, scenario

1202
00:33:50,790 --> 00:33:52,320
version, and if you trust

1203
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:53,640
putting their technology in your

1204
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,110
body and all that, but so she

1205
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:56,040
you know, she's even like

1206
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:57,780
outlining and her vision, the

1207
00:33:57,780 --> 00:33:58,830
woman who now is the head of

1208
00:33:58,830 --> 00:34:00,420
this new agency, that she

1209
00:34:00,420 --> 00:34:01,530
believes that's where the world

1210
00:34:01,530 --> 00:34:02,550
is headed, that we're going to

1211
00:34:02,550 --> 00:34:04,980
be upgrading and downloading and

1212
00:34:04,980 --> 00:34:08,220
changing genes, like we do apps,

1213
00:34:08,250 --> 00:34:09,270
cell phones, you know, or

1214
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:10,560
clothes or things like that.

1215
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,490
Yeah, so I'm talking about how

1216
00:34:14,490 --> 00:34:15,600
you sort of see this vision

1217
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:16,590
playing out in how you describe

1218
00:34:16,590 --> 00:34:17,580
Gattaca. You know, I haven't

1219
00:34:17,580 --> 00:34:18,510
seen it because I don't really

1220
00:34:18,510 --> 00:34:21,030
like to watch TV or movies

1221
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:22,620
anymore. I like don't have time.

1222
00:34:23,610 --> 00:34:26,490
But I recall this article that

1223
00:34:26,490 --> 00:34:27,900
came out, we can put it in the

1224
00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:30,750
show notes. It's from the BBC,

1225
00:34:30,750 --> 00:34:31,950
but it's from several years ago.

1226
00:34:31,950 --> 00:34:35,550
It's from 2006. And the subtitle

1227
00:34:35,550 --> 00:34:38,160
is humanity may split into two

1228
00:34:38,190 --> 00:34:41,070
sub species, as predicted by HG

1229
00:34:41,070 --> 00:34:43,710
Wells and expert has said, and

1230
00:34:43,710 --> 00:34:45,270
the first sentence is, this

1231
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:47,070
evolutionary theorist named

1232
00:34:47,070 --> 00:34:48,270
Oliver curry of the London

1233
00:34:48,270 --> 00:34:50,310
School of Economics expects a

1234
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:52,200
genetic upper class in a dim

1235
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,110
witted underclass to emerge. And

1236
00:34:55,110 --> 00:34:57,210
he basically says, the

1237
00:34:57,210 --> 00:34:58,590
descendants of the genetic upper

1238
00:34:58,590 --> 00:35:00,060
class would be tonelson A

1239
00:35:00,060 --> 00:35:01,440
healthy, attractive, intelligent

1240
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,780
and creative a far cry from the

1241
00:35:03,780 --> 00:35:05,610
quote unquote underclass humans

1242
00:35:05,610 --> 00:35:06,960
who would have evolved into dim

1243
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,790
witted ugly squat goblin like

1244
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:12,600
creatures. So, you know, and

1245
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,760
he's citing HG Wells here. So HG

1246
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,160
Wells is from the same pool of

1247
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:19,260
British eugenicist. I mean,

1248
00:35:19,290 --> 00:35:20,610
people, most people think of him

1249
00:35:20,610 --> 00:35:22,590
as a science fiction author.

1250
00:35:22,740 --> 00:35:25,140
He's a lot more than that. So

1251
00:35:25,140 --> 00:35:27,390
I'd encourage people to

1252
00:35:27,390 --> 00:35:29,160
reevaluate that guy, but

1253
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,410
basically, um, you know, this is

1254
00:35:31,410 --> 00:35:34,320
something that this group sort

1255
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,840
of predicted, you know, maybe

1256
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,420
100 years ago or so. And, you

1257
00:35:39,420 --> 00:35:41,010
know, Will their ideological

1258
00:35:41,010 --> 00:35:43,200
descendants use this type of

1259
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,910
technology to make that a

1260
00:35:44,910 --> 00:35:47,070
reality? It seems really

1261
00:35:47,070 --> 00:35:48,390
possible because it seems like

1262
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:50,550
the quote unquote, underclass

1263
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:52,470
sort of you described in the the

1264
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:53,490
whole Gattaca thing, though

1265
00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:56,070
people that don't, you know, do

1266
00:35:56,070 --> 00:35:56,850
this stuff, we're being

1267
00:35:56,850 --> 00:36:00,030
conditioned to eat bugs, and do

1268
00:36:00,030 --> 00:36:01,620
all sorts of, you know, other

1269
00:36:01,620 --> 00:36:02,820
stuff that sort of blurring the

1270
00:36:02,820 --> 00:36:04,080
line between human and

1271
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,500
livestock? Yeah, you know, so,

1272
00:36:07,530 --> 00:36:09,240
you know, my concern is, you

1273
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:10,680
know, are they going to start,

1274
00:36:10,740 --> 00:36:11,670
you know, they're going to

1275
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:14,010
genetically engineer maybe the

1276
00:36:14,010 --> 00:36:15,780
elite in one direction, but the

1277
00:36:15,780 --> 00:36:17,880
genetic engineering promise that

1278
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,920
they're offering, the rest of us

1279
00:36:19,950 --> 00:36:21,660
may lead us in a very different

1280
00:36:21,660 --> 00:36:22,380
direction?

1281
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:23,940
Absolutely. No, I get where

1282
00:36:23,940 --> 00:36:25,200
you're going. And this is sort

1283
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,910
of what I was like, talking to

1284
00:36:26,940 --> 00:36:28,260
hinting at earlier with, like, I

1285
00:36:28,260 --> 00:36:29,520
have some speculation about

1286
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,710
where this is headed. Because

1287
00:36:31,710 --> 00:36:33,510
they also talk about biomass,

1288
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:36,660
right. And biomass by defined by

1289
00:36:36,660 --> 00:36:37,800
them, or just, you know, these

1290
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,190
bio bio products can be anything

1291
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:44,910
from human blood to soil, you

1292
00:36:44,910 --> 00:36:46,770
know, grass, animals, like

1293
00:36:46,770 --> 00:36:48,000
biology, right. So living

1294
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,510
products, and they discussed in

1295
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:52,290
some of the papers, I was

1296
00:36:52,290 --> 00:36:53,580
reading some of the discussion

1297
00:36:53,580 --> 00:36:55,140
of the circular bioeconomy,

1298
00:36:55,470 --> 00:36:57,630
getting to a point where we

1299
00:36:57,630 --> 00:36:59,550
could, and again, in the best

1300
00:36:59,550 --> 00:37:01,320
case scenario, it what it is, is

1301
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:02,490
things like humanure, for

1302
00:37:02,490 --> 00:37:03,240
anybody familiar with

1303
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:04,260
permaculture and things like

1304
00:37:04,260 --> 00:37:05,220
that you've heard of humanure,

1305
00:37:05,220 --> 00:37:06,870
taking human waste, and then you

1306
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:07,860
let it sit for a certain amount

1307
00:37:07,860 --> 00:37:09,030
of time, and you can repurpose

1308
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:10,020
it and use it in the garden,

1309
00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:11,220
it's really good for plants and

1310
00:37:11,220 --> 00:37:12,120
for the soil and things like

1311
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,710
that, right? That's a form of,

1312
00:37:14,130 --> 00:37:15,030
you could say, as part of the

1313
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:16,890
bio economy taking a biological

1314
00:37:16,890 --> 00:37:18,210
product waste, and then

1315
00:37:18,210 --> 00:37:20,190
repurposing it in a circular way

1316
00:37:20,190 --> 00:37:21,060
and doing something good with

1317
00:37:21,060 --> 00:37:22,200
it. Right. That's what they want

1318
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,070
people to believe that the whole

1319
00:37:23,070 --> 00:37:24,540
thing is about, but obviously,

1320
00:37:24,540 --> 00:37:25,830
there's a lot more going on

1321
00:37:25,830 --> 00:37:27,090
there. And I think that we

1322
00:37:27,090 --> 00:37:30,090
really could get to a obviously

1323
00:37:30,090 --> 00:37:30,930
there's the concern about the

1324
00:37:30,930 --> 00:37:32,100
bugs, you know, you're gonna

1325
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:33,750
people are gonna eat bugs and

1326
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:34,800
things like that, that whole

1327
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:35,700
agenda being pushed, well,

1328
00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:37,260
that's part of the that would be

1329
00:37:37,260 --> 00:37:38,460
considered biomass, right. It's

1330
00:37:38,460 --> 00:37:39,930
a living entity. So that could

1331
00:37:39,930 --> 00:37:41,370
be part of it. But I also think,

1332
00:37:41,550 --> 00:37:43,590
with the combination of two

1333
00:37:43,590 --> 00:37:45,780
things, one more states and

1334
00:37:45,780 --> 00:37:49,140
places, recognizing the right to

1335
00:37:49,590 --> 00:37:51,150
compost yourself when you die,

1336
00:37:51,180 --> 00:37:52,410
which again, I think that hey,

1337
00:37:52,410 --> 00:37:53,280
if you own yourself, you should

1338
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:54,120
be able to do what you want when

1339
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,890
you die. But just that becoming

1340
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,400
more trendy, that idea, combined

1341
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,530
with this pushing of biomass

1342
00:38:01,740 --> 00:38:03,750
could lead to a point where

1343
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:05,400
maybe the lower classes are

1344
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:06,360
taught like for the good of

1345
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,860
plant the planet or to reduce

1346
00:38:07,860 --> 00:38:09,600
waste, we need you to repurpose

1347
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,370
your body, your biomass, not

1348
00:38:11,370 --> 00:38:13,860
only for soil or something like

1349
00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:15,420
that, but potentially to

1350
00:38:15,420 --> 00:38:16,740
something like Soylent Green to

1351
00:38:16,740 --> 00:38:18,450
something like that being a food

1352
00:38:18,450 --> 00:38:19,710
product, you know, it's not

1353
00:38:19,950 --> 00:38:21,090
that far, you know, the

1354
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,200
justification for the

1355
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,670
composting, the human body is

1356
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:25,050
climate change. And there's that

1357
00:38:25,050 --> 00:38:26,520
scientist and Sweden that got a

1358
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,140
lot of mainstream media play

1359
00:38:28,140 --> 00:38:30,030
being like cannibalism is the

1360
00:38:30,030 --> 00:38:31,410
solution to climate change,

1361
00:38:31,410 --> 00:38:33,330
because he's not insane. or

1362
00:38:33,330 --> 00:38:34,530
anything, so.

1363
00:38:34,980 --> 00:38:36,480
Yeah, exactly. So let me put

1364
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:37,680
those two things together, like

1365
00:38:37,710 --> 00:38:39,120
a sort of normalization and

1366
00:38:39,180 --> 00:38:41,070
talking of, you know, popping up

1367
00:38:41,070 --> 00:38:43,020
in articles of cannibalism and

1368
00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:44,580
then yeah, repurposing yourself

1369
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:45,930
while this discussion about

1370
00:38:45,930 --> 00:38:47,520
biomass and and when you look at

1371
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:47,730
what,

1372
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,550
Eman, circular economy? Exactly,

1373
00:38:50,610 --> 00:38:54,090
yikes. So, um, so another thing

1374
00:38:54,090 --> 00:38:55,110
I think is going on here in

1375
00:38:55,110 --> 00:38:57,390
terms of the broader agenda, and

1376
00:38:57,390 --> 00:38:58,650
I think you see this not just

1377
00:38:58,650 --> 00:39:00,120
with the push into healthcare,

1378
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:00,960
but also the push into

1379
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,610
agriculture. I think what we're

1380
00:39:02,610 --> 00:39:03,780
seeing is part of the long

1381
00:39:03,780 --> 00:39:04,860
standing agenda that I know that

1382
00:39:04,860 --> 00:39:06,300
Ryan of T lab has talked a lot

1383
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:07,710
about over the years, which is

1384
00:39:07,740 --> 00:39:11,130
patenting all life. Because if

1385
00:39:11,130 --> 00:39:12,480
you own the genetic sequence of

1386
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,410
something, and this has happened

1387
00:39:13,410 --> 00:39:15,600
with Monsanto, right, and some

1388
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,040
of these other companies that

1389
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,120
make genetically modified

1390
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,010
organism, you know, GMOs that

1391
00:39:20,010 --> 00:39:23,880
are plants. You know, they I

1392
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:24,630
think a lot of people are

1393
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:26,130
familiar with the tactic. Well,

1394
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,270
maybe not everyone, so I'll

1395
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:29,820
explain it I guess. But Monsanto

1396
00:39:29,820 --> 00:39:31,260
and I guess Syngenta to a lesser

1397
00:39:31,260 --> 00:39:32,610
extent had, you know, this

1398
00:39:32,610 --> 00:39:34,980
practice basically, of, they

1399
00:39:34,980 --> 00:39:36,930
would buy like one field in an

1400
00:39:36,930 --> 00:39:38,070
area and they would quote

1401
00:39:38,070 --> 00:39:41,250
unquote, test their products

1402
00:39:41,250 --> 00:39:43,350
there or plant them there. And

1403
00:39:43,350 --> 00:39:45,120
then, you know, this was mostly

1404
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,740
for wind pollinated plants.

1405
00:39:46,740 --> 00:39:48,750
Yeah. So the wind would carry

1406
00:39:48,750 --> 00:39:49,920
the pollen and it would cross

1407
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,140
pollinate with plants of the

1408
00:39:52,140 --> 00:39:54,150
same type in a neighboring

1409
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:55,620
property and then Monsanto comes

1410
00:39:55,620 --> 00:39:57,450
to that neighbor and says, Okay,

1411
00:39:57,450 --> 00:40:00,660
so your plant now has a patented

1412
00:40:00,660 --> 00:40:02,910
genes which we own, and so we're

1413
00:40:02,910 --> 00:40:04,860
going to sue you, because you're

1414
00:40:04,860 --> 00:40:08,790
using our proprietary genetic,

1415
00:40:08,820 --> 00:40:11,730
whatever, without licensing it.

1416
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,460
And so in the past, this has

1417
00:40:14,460 --> 00:40:17,490
turned into major legal cases

1418
00:40:17,490 --> 00:40:18,630
where farmers have lost their

1419
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:20,670
land. And, you know, it all goes

1420
00:40:20,670 --> 00:40:22,230
to Monsanto at the end of the

1421
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:24,330
day, you know, and this is, you

1422
00:40:24,330 --> 00:40:25,800
know, a model that I think is

1423
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:31,110
going to be replicated far

1424
00:40:31,110 --> 00:40:32,430
beyond agriculture at this

1425
00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:33,630
point, but I think, you know,

1426
00:40:33,660 --> 00:40:36,870
the green revolution of the past

1427
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:38,760
not about climate change about

1428
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,350
putting Monsanto everywhere, who

1429
00:40:40,350 --> 00:40:41,580
were the people behind that

1430
00:40:41,610 --> 00:40:43,440
people like Bill Gates, as an

1431
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,800
example. Now, Bill Gates, has a,

1432
00:40:46,860 --> 00:40:47,880
who I think is actually an

1433
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,740
investor in gingko Bioworks, if

1434
00:40:49,740 --> 00:40:50,970
I'm not mistaken, that we talked

1435
00:40:51,060 --> 00:40:53,310
about earlier, is also, you

1436
00:40:53,310 --> 00:40:55,050
know, has bought up a lot of the

1437
00:40:55,050 --> 00:40:56,820
farmland in the US what is he

1438
00:40:56,820 --> 00:40:58,470
going to use it for small scale

1439
00:40:58,470 --> 00:41:00,570
organic farming? Doesn't seem

1440
00:41:00,570 --> 00:41:02,010
likely because in the US, so

1441
00:41:02,010 --> 00:41:03,750
small scale, organic farmers are

1442
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:05,610
being punished, and by the

1443
00:41:05,610 --> 00:41:07,080
federal government that Jeremy

1444
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,280
Loffredo has done some good work

1445
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,150
on that recently about how

1446
00:41:09,150 --> 00:41:10,170
they're targeting the Amish

1447
00:41:10,170 --> 00:41:13,050
community. So what are they

1448
00:41:13,050 --> 00:41:14,190
gonna, what kind of stuff are

1449
00:41:14,190 --> 00:41:15,090
they going to use it for? Well,

1450
00:41:15,090 --> 00:41:16,320
given you know, Bill Gates

1451
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,180
passed, it seems pretty clear

1452
00:41:18,180 --> 00:41:18,990
what they're doing. And you're

1453
00:41:18,990 --> 00:41:20,340
seeing this push for certain

1454
00:41:20,340 --> 00:41:22,020
types of plant based proteins or

1455
00:41:22,050 --> 00:41:24,600
lab made meat, all of which is

1456
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,820
going to be patented. So that's

1457
00:41:26,820 --> 00:41:28,020
control of the food supply,

1458
00:41:28,020 --> 00:41:28,890
people won't be allowed to

1459
00:41:28,890 --> 00:41:29,940
produce their own food unless

1460
00:41:29,940 --> 00:41:31,470
they have a license for it.

1461
00:41:31,890 --> 00:41:33,000
They're taking people off the

1462
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,740
land, they're limiting limit,

1463
00:41:34,740 --> 00:41:36,150
trying to eliminate basically,

1464
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,060
traditional agriculture, as it's

1465
00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:42,510
existed for 1000s of years. And

1466
00:41:42,540 --> 00:41:44,250
that doesn't make any sense. In

1467
00:41:44,250 --> 00:41:45,540
terms of you know, if your

1468
00:41:45,540 --> 00:41:46,950
excuses climate change, it makes

1469
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:48,360
no sense whatsoever that you

1470
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,390
would do that. Um, but

1471
00:41:51,420 --> 00:41:52,680
obviously, I think their game

1472
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,270
here is, is something else

1473
00:41:54,270 --> 00:41:55,680
entirely. And climate change is

1474
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,440
just the selling point. And what

1475
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:59,790
concern Yeah. And so what

1476
00:41:59,790 --> 00:42:01,110
concerns me is that, you know,

1477
00:42:01,110 --> 00:42:02,940
we're going to see the rollout

1478
00:42:02,940 --> 00:42:04,470
of AI in agriculture, we're

1479
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:06,990
going to see GMOs galore,

1480
00:42:06,990 --> 00:42:08,700
because a lot of the stuff they

1481
00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:10,080
say specifically really talks

1482
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:10,800
about the Department of

1483
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:11,970
Agriculture in this executive

1484
00:42:11,970 --> 00:42:15,330
order. They say, let's see, they

1485
00:42:15,330 --> 00:42:17,550
say that the Secretary of

1486
00:42:17,550 --> 00:42:18,900
Agriculture, agriculture has to

1487
00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:20,850
assess how to use biotechnology

1488
00:42:20,850 --> 00:42:22,830
and bio manufacturing, for food

1489
00:42:22,830 --> 00:42:25,440
and agriculture, innovation,

1490
00:42:25,620 --> 00:42:27,120
including by improving

1491
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,290
sustainability and land

1492
00:42:28,290 --> 00:42:29,340
conservation. So that means

1493
00:42:29,340 --> 00:42:31,230
genetically modifying a plant to

1494
00:42:31,230 --> 00:42:32,910
use less resources, I would

1495
00:42:32,910 --> 00:42:35,370
assume, increasing food quality

1496
00:42:35,370 --> 00:42:36,930
and nutrition, genetically

1497
00:42:36,930 --> 00:42:38,250
modifying a vegetable or

1498
00:42:38,250 --> 00:42:40,200
something to have more of one

1499
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:41,790
nutrient than another, something

1500
00:42:41,790 --> 00:42:43,620
like that. Increasing and

1501
00:42:43,620 --> 00:42:45,270
protecting agricultural yields.

1502
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:46,410
That's always been the selling

1503
00:42:46,410 --> 00:42:47,790
point of Monsanto, even though

1504
00:42:47,790 --> 00:42:50,550
it's true in practice, and lots

1505
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:51,510
of studies have shown that as

1506
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:52,710
well. And that protecting

1507
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:53,970
against plant and animal pests

1508
00:42:53,970 --> 00:42:57,060
and diseases again, that is, you

1509
00:42:57,060 --> 00:42:58,290
know, part of the Monsanto's

1510
00:42:58,290 --> 00:43:00,060
selling point as well. Yeah,

1511
00:43:00,090 --> 00:43:01,500
well, as I mentioned earlier,

1512
00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:02,640
they're bigger now. And then it

1513
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:03,690
says, again, cultivating

1514
00:43:03,690 --> 00:43:05,670
alternative food sources at the

1515
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:07,560
end, that's this lab made meat

1516
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,150
stuff. So this is patenting the

1517
00:43:09,150 --> 00:43:11,310
food supply. And I worry that

1518
00:43:11,310 --> 00:43:13,470
the gene editing of people

1519
00:43:13,470 --> 00:43:14,580
stuff, what if they're going to

1520
00:43:14,970 --> 00:43:17,640
apply that model to people and

1521
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,620
be like, oh, you know, like, the

1522
00:43:19,620 --> 00:43:21,630
gingko Bioworks. CEO said, like

1523
00:43:21,630 --> 00:43:22,950
you quoted him, you know, when

1524
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:24,300
stole, it's like installing an

1525
00:43:24,300 --> 00:43:26,250
app on your phone. So if he

1526
00:43:26,250 --> 00:43:28,470
would install an app into your

1527
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:30,300
cells, right, who owns Yeah,

1528
00:43:30,690 --> 00:43:32,460
yeah. So

1529
00:43:33,060 --> 00:43:33,900
those are good questions,

1530
00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:34,950
whereas men socks are gonna show

1531
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:36,150
up and say, hey, well, the wind

1532
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:37,980
blew our apps into your body,

1533
00:43:37,980 --> 00:43:40,230
and now we own you. Yeah, on

1534
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:41,550
those lines, you brought up a

1535
00:43:41,550 --> 00:43:42,630
couple of points that I want to

1536
00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:44,820
just comment on. For one, as you

1537
00:43:44,820 --> 00:43:46,170
said, Yes, Bill Gates is

1538
00:43:46,170 --> 00:43:47,730
invested in gingko, Bioworks,

1539
00:43:47,730 --> 00:43:49,380
where Rene is coming from. And

1540
00:43:49,380 --> 00:43:50,340
specifically, and this is

1541
00:43:50,340 --> 00:43:51,210
interesting, because you brought

1542
00:43:51,210 --> 00:43:53,310
up like his land ownership as

1543
00:43:53,310 --> 00:43:55,830
well. It's his company, cascade

1544
00:43:55,830 --> 00:43:56,940
investment, which is investment

1545
00:43:56,940 --> 00:43:58,260
company, and he controls so you

1546
00:43:58,260 --> 00:43:59,550
know, he tries to hide his name

1547
00:43:59,550 --> 00:44:01,650
a little bit. So cascade is the

1548
00:44:01,650 --> 00:44:02,880
investment firm that invested in

1549
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,410
ginkgo Bioworks. And cascade is

1550
00:44:04,410 --> 00:44:05,580
actually the same company that

1551
00:44:05,580 --> 00:44:08,010
also owns all his farmland. So

1552
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:08,790
you know, there's a direct

1553
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:10,710
connection between those, those

1554
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:11,460
different, you know, they're

1555
00:44:11,460 --> 00:44:12,930
investing in biotechnology

1556
00:44:13,110 --> 00:44:15,060
bioeconomy, buying up farmland.

1557
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,100
So yeah, do you think that

1558
00:44:17,250 --> 00:44:18,990
that's something that you can

1559
00:44:18,990 --> 00:44:21,090
see the connection there? And

1560
00:44:21,210 --> 00:44:22,920
overall, I mean, I think people

1561
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:25,020
should take heed of the, as you

1562
00:44:25,020 --> 00:44:25,950
were pointing out a few moments

1563
00:44:25,950 --> 00:44:27,660
ago that the same power players

1564
00:44:27,660 --> 00:44:29,040
that told us about the Green

1565
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,110
Revolution and promises of GMOs

1566
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:32,640
are the same people now trying

1567
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,200
to tell us that we're about to

1568
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,850
use CRISPR and all these great

1569
00:44:35,850 --> 00:44:38,430
technologies to create a whole

1570
00:44:38,430 --> 00:44:40,590
new economy that's going to save

1571
00:44:40,590 --> 00:44:42,000
the planet and sustainable and

1572
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,020
diverse and blah, blah and all

1573
00:44:43,020 --> 00:44:44,550
that good stuff. And I think

1574
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:45,720
that by this point, most people

1575
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:48,510
can see through these agendas

1576
00:44:48,510 --> 00:44:49,980
that they have. And the other

1577
00:44:49,980 --> 00:44:50,970
point I wanted to mention is

1578
00:44:50,970 --> 00:44:52,950
that because you brought up the

1579
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:54,390
Bill Gates investment in the

1580
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:55,380
meat is what the alternative

1581
00:44:55,380 --> 00:44:57,450
meat as well, at the summit that

1582
00:44:57,450 --> 00:44:59,430
the White House held, they had a

1583
00:44:59,430 --> 00:45:00,570
number of days. Are companies

1584
00:45:00,570 --> 00:45:02,100
including gingko Bioworks there,

1585
00:45:02,340 --> 00:45:03,630
and that were pretty much just

1586
00:45:03,630 --> 00:45:04,950
like a showcasing the type of

1587
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:06,000
projects, they're things they're

1588
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,590
involved in. And at first, I was

1589
00:45:07,590 --> 00:45:08,910
going to list them all, because

1590
00:45:08,910 --> 00:45:09,870
some of it was interesting, but

1591
00:45:09,870 --> 00:45:11,130
I decided not to put that in the

1592
00:45:11,130 --> 00:45:12,420
article, but one of them was

1593
00:45:12,420 --> 00:45:15,660
this company that is working on

1594
00:45:15,690 --> 00:45:16,830
what they call the carbon

1595
00:45:16,830 --> 00:45:19,080
neutral meat product. And it's a

1596
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,000
company called err, protein. So

1597
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,290
I mean, there's definitely

1598
00:45:22,290 --> 00:45:23,190
that's part of the agenda as

1599
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:23,850
well. And they had those

1600
00:45:23,850 --> 00:45:25,380
companies there at the White

1601
00:45:25,380 --> 00:45:26,880
House just earlier this month

1602
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,200
discussing, you know, they're,

1603
00:45:28,350 --> 00:45:29,070
they're pushed in that

1604
00:45:29,070 --> 00:45:29,700
direction,

1605
00:45:29,790 --> 00:45:31,080
well, that's gonna be fun when

1606
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,030
they control all the food one,

1607
00:45:33,090 --> 00:45:34,320
and you won't be able to buy

1608
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,700
natural seeds or anything you

1609
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:37,380
can you can produce on your own,

1610
00:45:37,410 --> 00:45:38,490
which will have air protein.

1611
00:45:38,910 --> 00:45:42,000
Thank God. Well, you know, like

1612
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:42,990
I said earlier, I think this is

1613
00:45:42,990 --> 00:45:44,370
part of a long standing agenda

1614
00:45:44,370 --> 00:45:46,290
to prevent people from being

1615
00:45:46,290 --> 00:45:47,580
able to sustain themselves

1616
00:45:47,580 --> 00:45:49,290
prevent the ability of people to

1617
00:45:49,290 --> 00:45:52,320
be independent of the state, or,

1618
00:45:52,350 --> 00:45:53,610
you know, these companies that

1619
00:45:53,610 --> 00:45:54,750
have, you know, or basically

1620
00:45:54,750 --> 00:45:56,190
fusing with the state. You know,

1621
00:45:56,190 --> 00:45:57,930
it's it's pretty concerning. And

1622
00:45:57,930 --> 00:45:59,160
you know, what's crazy, too, you

1623
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:00,600
know, I think about the mRNA

1624
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:01,800
stuff, you know, people that

1625
00:46:01,890 --> 00:46:04,230
were criticizing, or asking

1626
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:05,640
questions about the mRNA, quote,

1627
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,680
unquote, vaccines over the past

1628
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,300
couple years got censored off,

1629
00:46:09,300 --> 00:46:10,800
right. And so a lot of the big

1630
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,720
tech companies that control the

1631
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:14,820
online platforms also have like

1632
00:46:14,820 --> 00:46:16,290
Google reign, also have big

1633
00:46:16,290 --> 00:46:17,700
investments in this space, are

1634
00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:18,750
they going to start censoring

1635
00:46:18,750 --> 00:46:20,580
people that are critical of the

1636
00:46:20,580 --> 00:46:24,450
bio economy, or CRISPR, and

1637
00:46:24,450 --> 00:46:26,430
stuff like that down the line? I

1638
00:46:26,430 --> 00:46:27,870
don't know. I pointed

1639
00:46:27,870 --> 00:46:29,970
out earlier that my the my final

1640
00:46:29,970 --> 00:46:31,320
strike that got me removed from

1641
00:46:31,350 --> 00:46:32,730
from YouTube, and I mean, it was

1642
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,380
obviously a strike and a

1643
00:46:34,380 --> 00:46:35,580
succession of other things that

1644
00:46:35,580 --> 00:46:36,660
I said wrong and I thought

1645
00:46:36,660 --> 00:46:39,240
wrong, and I'm so sorry for the

1646
00:46:39,570 --> 00:46:42,750
for. The final strike was

1647
00:46:42,750 --> 00:46:43,800
talking about that the

1648
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,240
injectables, the bioelectronic.

1649
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:46,710
Medicine, I think the video was

1650
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:48,180
titled, I mean, it wasn't even

1651
00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:49,290
contrary it just was titled The

1652
00:46:49,290 --> 00:46:50,280
future of healthcare is

1653
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,320
injectables, which is a fact

1654
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:53,460
based on everything that these

1655
00:46:53,460 --> 00:46:54,870
people are pointing at. And that

1656
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:56,250
was coming from studying Moncef

1657
00:46:56,250 --> 00:46:57,960
slouchy and Galvani,

1658
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,250
bioelectronics, et cetera, et

1659
00:46:59,250 --> 00:47:00,390
cetera, and kind of looking at

1660
00:47:00,420 --> 00:47:01,260
ginkgo and these other

1661
00:47:01,260 --> 00:47:03,450
companies, it's clear that in

1662
00:47:03,450 --> 00:47:04,560
addition to them wanting to mess

1663
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:05,760
with your DNA and your genes

1664
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,760
that they want you to wear

1665
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,200
things and then put things in

1666
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,140
your body. I hope that most

1667
00:47:13,140 --> 00:47:15,090
people listening to this are not

1668
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,200
interested in any of that at

1669
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:16,530
all.

1670
00:47:16,740 --> 00:47:17,880
Yeah, well, I think the wearable

1671
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,020
thing if people don't realize

1672
00:47:19,020 --> 00:47:20,730
it's about surveilling you but

1673
00:47:20,730 --> 00:47:22,260
in a way that they've never been

1674
00:47:22,260 --> 00:47:23,640
able to surveil you before

1675
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:24,780
they're trying to surveil what's

1676
00:47:24,780 --> 00:47:26,250
going on inside your body. So if

1677
00:47:26,250 --> 00:47:27,750
you listen to people in I mean,

1678
00:47:27,780 --> 00:47:28,770
you know, we've talked about

1679
00:47:28,770 --> 00:47:29,610
this in the past and other

1680
00:47:29,610 --> 00:47:30,870
people talked about in the past,

1681
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:32,250
but you all know, a Harare,

1682
00:47:32,580 --> 00:47:33,870
basically saying that once

1683
00:47:33,870 --> 00:47:34,860
there's mass adoption of

1684
00:47:34,860 --> 00:47:36,810
wearables, it's crossing the red

1685
00:47:36,810 --> 00:47:38,580
line into what he calls digital

1686
00:47:38,580 --> 00:47:39,840
dictatorship. And this is the

1687
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,520
guy that's helping them build

1688
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:42,420
all this stuff, and like

1689
00:47:42,420 --> 00:47:43,680
advising them how to build it.

1690
00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:45,270
You know, after he says that he

1691
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:46,800
speaks, he said that in a speech

1692
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,720
to the World Economic Forum. And

1693
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:49,920
then he goes, maybe the people

1694
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,200
in this room can take hold of

1695
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:53,970
this technology. So it's used

1696
00:47:53,970 --> 00:47:55,470
well, and all of this stuff, and

1697
00:47:55,470 --> 00:47:56,700
they're all like, yeah, you

1698
00:47:56,700 --> 00:47:58,860
know, I mean, come on, not not

1699
00:47:58,860 --> 00:48:01,950
cool. So, you know, they, they,

1700
00:48:02,070 --> 00:48:03,780
you know, the people pushing

1701
00:48:03,780 --> 00:48:05,490
this agenda, know what it means

1702
00:48:05,490 --> 00:48:06,480
to have mass adoption of

1703
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,550
wearables. They've come out and

1704
00:48:08,550 --> 00:48:10,680
said it. So do we really want to

1705
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,290
walk into that future? I think

1706
00:48:13,290 --> 00:48:14,430
it should be pretty clear that

1707
00:48:14,430 --> 00:48:15,510
the answer is now the other

1708
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:16,560
thing you've all know a Harare

1709
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:17,610
says in that speech is that it's

1710
00:48:17,610 --> 00:48:18,570
about like surveilling your

1711
00:48:18,570 --> 00:48:22,110
neural activity. So he, he gives

1712
00:48:22,110 --> 00:48:23,790
an example of a dictatorship.

1713
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,430
And you know, someone is at a

1714
00:48:26,430 --> 00:48:29,640
speech of the great leader. And

1715
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:31,290
they're outwardly looking happy

1716
00:48:31,290 --> 00:48:32,670
and clapping like everyone else.

1717
00:48:32,670 --> 00:48:34,830
But inside, they're angry, and

1718
00:48:34,830 --> 00:48:36,240
they will know and you'll be in

1719
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:37,980
the Gulag the next morning,

1720
00:48:38,010 --> 00:48:39,570
because of your wearable

1721
00:48:39,570 --> 00:48:42,000
snitching on you. That's,

1722
00:48:42,030 --> 00:48:43,530
that's, that's the future if

1723
00:48:43,530 --> 00:48:44,940
this kind of stuff goes ahead,

1724
00:48:44,970 --> 00:48:45,690
or at least that's what they're

1725
00:48:45,690 --> 00:48:47,220
trying to do. And so they've

1726
00:48:47,220 --> 00:48:48,180
already advanced this to a

1727
00:48:48,180 --> 00:48:49,950
significant degree. So, as I

1728
00:48:49,950 --> 00:48:51,750
mentioned earlier, Regina Dugan,

1729
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:54,090
the former DARPA director, she

1730
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,320
set up a DARPA thing for

1731
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,330
Facebook, that still sort of

1732
00:48:57,330 --> 00:48:59,370
going and they developed a

1733
00:48:59,370 --> 00:49:02,580
wristband that is able to read

1734
00:49:02,580 --> 00:49:03,690
from your brain what you want to

1735
00:49:03,690 --> 00:49:05,640
type before you type it and

1736
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,890
types for you. Based on your

1737
00:49:07,890 --> 00:49:08,730
thoughts and stuff.

1738
00:49:08,730 --> 00:49:10,050
That's just weapon meeting.

1739
00:49:10,620 --> 00:49:11,670
Exactly what I've been looking

1740
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:13,500
for. Now, I can't but I mean, I

1741
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:15,450
think this stuff is really it.

1742
00:49:15,570 --> 00:49:16,890
You know, when it comes down to

1743
00:49:16,890 --> 00:49:17,790
me, Whitney is like, the more I

1744
00:49:17,790 --> 00:49:20,580
think about this is that this is

1745
00:49:20,580 --> 00:49:21,360
something I wrote about in my

1746
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:22,290
book, How to opt out of the

1747
00:49:22,290 --> 00:49:23,760
technocratic state that this is

1748
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,590
all going to come down to every

1749
00:49:25,590 --> 00:49:26,700
individual who's hearing this.

1750
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:28,560
And as we rush right into the

1751
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:29,490
future, whether we like it or

1752
00:49:29,490 --> 00:49:31,500
not, is you we have to make

1753
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:32,400
choices of how we're going to

1754
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:33,450
interact with technology. And

1755
00:49:33,450 --> 00:49:34,380
then some of us are doing that

1756
00:49:34,380 --> 00:49:35,970
already. You know, we're saying

1757
00:49:35,970 --> 00:49:36,930
I don't want to use any Google

1758
00:49:36,930 --> 00:49:38,220
products, right? Well, that's

1759
00:49:38,220 --> 00:49:39,690
one layer. But then when

1760
00:49:39,690 --> 00:49:40,920
everybody around us starts

1761
00:49:41,490 --> 00:49:42,840
wearing the wearables is which

1762
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:43,920
is already starting to happen

1763
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,420
for exercise and things like

1764
00:49:45,420 --> 00:49:46,620
that and monitor your heart

1765
00:49:46,620 --> 00:49:48,390
rate. But then when it becomes

1766
00:49:48,930 --> 00:49:50,400
implantables, and injectables

1767
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,770
and literally modifying your

1768
00:49:52,770 --> 00:49:54,870
DNA, I mean, we are going to

1769
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:56,610
face the reality that there is

1770
00:49:56,610 --> 00:49:57,930
going to be people around us who

1771
00:49:57,930 --> 00:49:59,190
choose to do that and who opt

1772
00:49:59,190 --> 00:50:00,660
in. It's our already happening?

1773
00:50:00,660 --> 00:50:01,770
Yeah, it'll be weird things like

1774
00:50:01,770 --> 00:50:02,760
your friends show up and they

1775
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,230
got a new eye color. And you're

1776
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:05,130
like, what? What's going on with

1777
00:50:05,130 --> 00:50:06,150
you? And they're like, Oh, I did

1778
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:07,650
this, I went to Walmart and they

1779
00:50:07,650 --> 00:50:08,460
have this quick, you know,

1780
00:50:08,460 --> 00:50:11,670
change your eye color. I imagine

1781
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:13,620
that like, people want it to be

1782
00:50:13,620 --> 00:50:15,720
that that simple that like easy

1783
00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:16,980
for people to just go up just

1784
00:50:16,980 --> 00:50:18,060
like a cell phone, right? Go up

1785
00:50:18,060 --> 00:50:19,200
and up, upgrade yourself.

1786
00:50:19,229 --> 00:50:19,859
Well, that's what they're

1787
00:50:19,859 --> 00:50:21,299
envisioning. I don't think like

1788
00:50:21,299 --> 00:50:22,709
we talked about earlier, like

1789
00:50:22,709 --> 00:50:23,819
CRISPR, and all that stuff, it's

1790
00:50:23,819 --> 00:50:24,719
going to come with major

1791
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,219
consequences. I mean, the mRNA

1792
00:50:26,219 --> 00:50:27,449
stuff that they're claiming this

1793
00:50:27,449 --> 00:50:28,649
executive order was a great

1794
00:50:28,649 --> 00:50:30,689
success. And the justification

1795
00:50:30,689 --> 00:50:31,799
for this executive order,

1796
00:50:31,799 --> 00:50:33,989
basically, obviously, were not

1797
00:50:34,019 --> 00:50:35,309
the great success that they were

1798
00:50:35,309 --> 00:50:36,659
touted out. So I mean, this

1799
00:50:36,659 --> 00:50:37,679
other stuff, I don't think it's

1800
00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:38,909
necessarily I wonder,

1801
00:50:38,910 --> 00:50:39,840
though, because I wonder if they

1802
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,490
could cover up as much as they

1803
00:50:41,490 --> 00:50:42,240
you know, so because like,

1804
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:43,380
obviously, we're seeing adverse

1805
00:50:43,380 --> 00:50:44,880
reactions and injuries from the

1806
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,290
shots and you know, things are

1807
00:50:46,290 --> 00:50:47,640
happening, and they're covering

1808
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:48,660
that up, and they're denying

1809
00:50:48,660 --> 00:50:49,530
that there's still rushing

1810
00:50:49,530 --> 00:50:51,180
forward and claiming it's the

1811
00:50:51,180 --> 00:50:52,320
best thing ever, right. And I'm

1812
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,340
sure somebody's gonna get a

1813
00:50:53,340 --> 00:50:54,600
Nobel Prize for his crowning

1814
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,400
achievement. But I wonder when

1815
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,440
it comes to people, as you

1816
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:59,520
pointed out with CRISPR, and

1817
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,020
things of that sort getting DNA

1818
00:51:01,020 --> 00:51:03,570
breaks, and and you know, how

1819
00:51:03,570 --> 00:51:04,680
that affects them? Like, can you

1820
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:05,970
really hide that if people who

1821
00:51:05,970 --> 00:51:07,950
are trying to upgrade their

1822
00:51:07,950 --> 00:51:09,060
human, you know, operating

1823
00:51:09,060 --> 00:51:10,320
system, and then next time you

1824
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:11,730
see them, they can't even

1825
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,080
operate? Or who knows what

1826
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:14,610
happens? Or, I mean, it really

1827
00:51:14,610 --> 00:51:16,590
could get into some scary, I

1828
00:51:16,590 --> 00:51:17,790
mean, not that we're not already

1829
00:51:17,790 --> 00:51:19,770
but it just really scary sci fi

1830
00:51:19,770 --> 00:51:21,690
dystopian stuff, like, will you

1831
00:51:21,690 --> 00:51:23,880
be able to 100% know, that if

1832
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,650
your friend or family member

1833
00:51:25,650 --> 00:51:27,360
chooses to opt into the system,

1834
00:51:27,540 --> 00:51:28,650
that they're still going to be

1835
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:29,880
that same person that they're

1836
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,530
still going to be? Yeah, what we

1837
00:51:31,530 --> 00:51:32,610
consider to be human? You know,

1838
00:51:32,610 --> 00:51:33,570
what I mean? Like, what happens

1839
00:51:33,570 --> 00:51:34,620
when people start doing these

1840
00:51:34,620 --> 00:51:35,550
things and their behavior

1841
00:51:35,550 --> 00:51:36,720
changes? Or, you know, there's

1842
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:38,190
no way for us to really know

1843
00:51:38,730 --> 00:51:39,750
what you know, where that's

1844
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:41,370
coming from, ya know,

1845
00:51:41,370 --> 00:51:42,420
and well, once it gets, you

1846
00:51:42,420 --> 00:51:43,680
know, the neural link stuff like

1847
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:44,790
the brain chip and stuff. I

1848
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:46,170
mean, I don't I don't even know

1849
00:51:46,170 --> 00:51:47,280
how I'm going to react to people

1850
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,460
doing doing that crap. But the

1851
00:51:50,460 --> 00:51:52,080
crazy thing is to, you know, we

1852
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:52,770
were sort of talking about the

1853
00:51:52,770 --> 00:51:54,030
risk of this technology a bit

1854
00:51:54,030 --> 00:51:55,140
right, and how CRISPR has

1855
00:51:55,140 --> 00:51:57,000
unintended consequences, but you

1856
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:57,930
look at something like neuro

1857
00:51:57,930 --> 00:51:59,730
link, I think most of the

1858
00:51:59,730 --> 00:52:01,410
monkeys and the animal trials

1859
00:52:01,410 --> 00:52:02,910
they've done once neuro Link was

1860
00:52:02,910 --> 00:52:04,260
installed, like died really

1861
00:52:04,260 --> 00:52:07,050
quickly. And they're still going

1862
00:52:07,050 --> 00:52:08,340
ahead with it. It's like,

1863
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,710
I don't understand that. I just,

1864
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:12,540
I don't get it. I don't get how

1865
00:52:12,540 --> 00:52:13,620
that can be. That's not even a

1866
00:52:13,620 --> 00:52:15,000
conspiracy, you know, based on

1867
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,160
some document, we're not sure

1868
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:18,180
it's true. No, it's like, that's

1869
00:52:18,180 --> 00:52:19,740
a fact. That's real. That's been

1870
00:52:19,740 --> 00:52:22,140
reported in mainstream. And yet,

1871
00:52:22,350 --> 00:52:24,120
there's no like public outcry to

1872
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,770
like, stop this program we need,

1873
00:52:25,770 --> 00:52:26,100
you know,

1874
00:52:26,250 --> 00:52:27,900
yeah, what freaks me out is, I

1875
00:52:27,900 --> 00:52:29,610
think that these people are so

1876
00:52:29,610 --> 00:52:30,930
hell bent on creating this

1877
00:52:30,930 --> 00:52:32,160
feature, because for a lot of

1878
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,230
them, it's like a religious

1879
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:36,360
thing. Like the transhumanist

1880
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,660
stuff. That, you know, they're

1881
00:52:39,660 --> 00:52:40,470
not really they don't really

1882
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:41,850
care how many people die,

1883
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:43,080
they want to bring about their,

1884
00:52:43,110 --> 00:52:44,010
their vision, and

1885
00:52:45,090 --> 00:52:46,590
they're gonna bring it about

1886
00:52:46,590 --> 00:52:48,210
whether they, whether we like it

1887
00:52:48,210 --> 00:52:49,410
or not, that's how they feel, I

1888
00:52:49,410 --> 00:52:50,910
think. I don't think they're

1889
00:52:50,910 --> 00:52:52,620
gonna succeed, to be honest. No,

1890
00:52:52,620 --> 00:52:53,700
I don't, because you know, a

1891
00:52:53,700 --> 00:52:54,900
bunch of people get brain chips,

1892
00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:56,340
and then they die, like people

1893
00:52:56,340 --> 00:52:57,360
are gonna be like, I don't want

1894
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:58,590
the chip. And so they'd have to,

1895
00:52:58,590 --> 00:52:59,940
like, forcibly Chip, I don't

1896
00:52:59,940 --> 00:53:02,820
think it's gonna happen. But I

1897
00:53:02,820 --> 00:53:04,830
mean, it seems like why else

1898
00:53:04,830 --> 00:53:06,450
would you not cancel neural link

1899
00:53:06,450 --> 00:53:08,070
if it's killing all the animals?

1900
00:53:08,460 --> 00:53:10,200
You know? And that's just animal

1901
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:11,010
testing? What happens when you

1902
00:53:11,010 --> 00:53:12,120
get the human trials? And it's

1903
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,190
like, oh, yeah, like, seven of

1904
00:53:14,190 --> 00:53:16,950
11 of the people in the trial

1905
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:19,800
died? No big deal. Full STEAM

1906
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:20,730
Ahead, because you'll be able to

1907
00:53:20,730 --> 00:53:22,350
play video games with your mind.

1908
00:53:22,350 --> 00:53:24,120
Like, that's a hard selling

1909
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,020
point, you know?

1910
00:53:25,830 --> 00:53:28,110
Yeah, I hope that as we approach

1911
00:53:28,110 --> 00:53:29,310
that, which I mean, it's right

1912
00:53:29,310 --> 00:53:30,480
here on the cusp, right. And we

1913
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,160
were getting new updates about

1914
00:53:32,190 --> 00:53:33,630
the Starlink and the neuro link

1915
00:53:33,630 --> 00:53:35,520
and all the musk programs and

1916
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:36,510
other people working on this

1917
00:53:36,510 --> 00:53:38,310
similar things as well, that

1918
00:53:38,580 --> 00:53:39,960
people are skeptical, but I

1919
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:41,430
mean, as I was kind of joking

1920
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:42,870
earlier, but it's a truth that

1921
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:44,040
there are a lot of people who do

1922
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,740
literally wait outside of the

1923
00:53:46,740 --> 00:53:48,420
grocery or the electronics store

1924
00:53:48,420 --> 00:53:49,740
for the latest upgrade of this

1925
00:53:49,740 --> 00:53:51,810
and that and I you know, and

1926
00:53:51,810 --> 00:53:54,630
that's also when we, we know, in

1927
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:56,370
the same vein of we know,

1928
00:53:56,670 --> 00:53:58,260
problems with neuro link already

1929
00:53:58,260 --> 00:53:59,370
exists, you know, already had

1930
00:53:59,370 --> 00:54:00,570
been shown in animals. Well,

1931
00:54:00,570 --> 00:54:01,710
we've got decade's worth of

1932
00:54:01,710 --> 00:54:03,390
studies showing that cell phones

1933
00:54:03,390 --> 00:54:06,030
can cause damage to your body

1934
00:54:06,030 --> 00:54:07,050
can there's a there's a case

1935
00:54:07,050 --> 00:54:07,920
that's finally about to go to

1936
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,120
court. Now, after 20 years,

1937
00:54:09,390 --> 00:54:10,530
people dealing with tumors from

1938
00:54:10,530 --> 00:54:12,870
cell phones back in the 90s. And

1939
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:14,490
here we are 30 years later, and

1940
00:54:14,490 --> 00:54:15,570
there's the biggest thing ever,

1941
00:54:15,570 --> 00:54:16,410
everybody's got them in their

1942
00:54:16,410 --> 00:54:18,510
pockets in their chest, wearing

1943
00:54:18,510 --> 00:54:18,810
them in their

1944
00:54:18,930 --> 00:54:20,790
journey. They have like cause

1945
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more radiation than they

1946
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probably did in the 90s. And now

1947
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we're in you know, 5g land at

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least some of us and where I

1949
00:54:26,850 --> 00:54:28,260
live in Chile, there's no 5g for

1950
00:54:28,260 --> 00:54:30,240
now that you know, they're

1951
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:31,830
trying to put it everywhere. So

1952
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So I mean, I'm with you that I

1953
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hope and I believe that they

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will ultimately fail i but I'm

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also I think they will probably

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succeed in getting a chunk of

1957
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the population. What don't want

1958
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to wager. Oh, yeah, sure.

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There's gonna chunk the braces

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and hopefully, as with the

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shots, there will be some people

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who may are a little more

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hesitant and if people do start

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getting harmed, which,

1965
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unfortunately, it seems like you

1966
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know, that is probably not a

1967
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thing. Yeah, yeah. that people

1968
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will push back and say, hey,

1969
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well hold on, what are we doing

1970
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:05,010
here? And at that point that

1971
00:55:05,010 --> 00:55:06,660
maybe that's the sort of fork in

1972
00:55:06,660 --> 00:55:07,740
the road, right? If you got the,

1973
00:55:08,010 --> 00:55:09,660
the technocrats, these, these

1974
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want to be transmitters trying

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to push closer to the

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singularity, and they're

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eugenics vision using

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00:55:15,450 --> 00:55:17,400
technology, and they've got some

1979
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of the population, but then some

1980
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people start waking up and

1981
00:55:19,830 --> 00:55:21,870
questioning it, you know, that

1982
00:55:21,900 --> 00:55:22,860
would force their hand or

1983
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they're literally going to try

1984
00:55:23,730 --> 00:55:24,990
to force people into that

1985
00:55:24,990 --> 00:55:27,450
digital world, or those of us

1986
00:55:27,450 --> 00:55:28,680
who opt out of it, will we be

1987
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allowed to continue to opt out

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00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:31,950
peacefully? I think that's going

1989
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to kind of be something the

1990
00:55:34,260 --> 00:55:35,550
future will answer for us, I

1991
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guess.

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Yeah. So like, you know, like

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you said, I don't think they're

1994
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gonna get a succeed and getting

1995
00:55:40,500 --> 00:55:42,240
everyone to do it. But I think,

1996
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you know, the question is, how

1997
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much damage do they cause in the

1998
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meantime? And when you think

1999
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about things, like genetically

2000
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modified mosquitoes that are

2001
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:49,650
already out there, I mean, how,

2002
00:55:50,850 --> 00:55:52,140
you know, what sort of damage is

2003
00:55:52,140 --> 00:55:53,850
being done to the environment

2004
00:55:53,850 --> 00:55:54,870
and all that stuff? I mean,

2005
00:55:54,900 --> 00:55:55,950
there's a whole lot of cannon

2006
00:55:55,950 --> 00:55:57,030
words here. I mean, we're really

2007
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:58,410
in unprecedented times now that

2008
00:55:58,410 --> 00:55:59,550
they're doing all this stuff.

2009
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And, you know, I'm one thing I

2010
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wanted to touch on, before we

2011
00:56:03,180 --> 00:56:04,710
wrap up wrap up here, Derek, is

2012
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:06,840
that you mentioned in, in your

2013
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article that some other places

2014
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like the European Union, have

2015
00:56:10,500 --> 00:56:12,540
implemented bio economy

2016
00:56:12,540 --> 00:56:14,730
policies. And over there,

2017
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they're, you know, expressly

2018
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related to the implementation of

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00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,140
the Sustainable Development

2020
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Goals, or SDGs, also known as

2021
00:56:21,780 --> 00:56:23,700
agenda 2030, and so on, since

2022
00:56:23,700 --> 00:56:24,870
I'm limited Hangout right now is

2023
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:26,490
doing a series on the SDGs

2024
00:56:26,490 --> 00:56:28,230
called Sustainable slavery. And

2025
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:29,040
I was wondering if you could

2026
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:29,880
talk about some of those

2027
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:31,410
justifications a little bit?

2028
00:56:31,710 --> 00:56:33,450
Because, you know, they're

2029
00:56:33,450 --> 00:56:35,640
basically using SDGs, as one of

2030
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,710
the reason or, you know, climate

2031
00:56:37,710 --> 00:56:39,090
goals. And all of the stuff is

2032
00:56:39,090 --> 00:56:41,130
as justification for, you know,

2033
00:56:41,130 --> 00:56:43,800
biotechnology in the bio economy

2034
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:44,820
and all of the stuff that's

2035
00:56:44,820 --> 00:56:45,840
discussed in this executive

2036
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:46,230
order.

2037
00:56:46,650 --> 00:56:48,210
No, absolutely. I'm, by the way,

2038
00:56:48,210 --> 00:56:49,290
you guys are doing great work.

2039
00:56:49,290 --> 00:56:50,850
I'm glad somebody's doing a,

2040
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:52,590
like a real specific dive on the

2041
00:56:52,590 --> 00:56:53,670
SDGs. Because I think it's

2042
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:54,900
important because, you know,

2043
00:56:54,900 --> 00:56:55,740
some people, I think, still

2044
00:56:55,740 --> 00:56:57,600
don't grasp how, how crucial

2045
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,820
that is to their agenda. I

2046
00:56:59,820 --> 00:57:00,780
mentioned earlier that the

2047
00:57:00,780 --> 00:57:02,400
United Nations, their Food and

2048
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:03,330
Agriculture Organization,

2049
00:57:03,330 --> 00:57:03,960
they've talked about the

2050
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,940
bioeconomy. I also found that

2051
00:57:05,940 --> 00:57:07,560
the European Union and something

2052
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:08,730
called the Organisation for

2053
00:57:08,730 --> 00:57:09,870
Economic Cooperation and

2054
00:57:09,870 --> 00:57:12,660
Development, that they OECD,

2055
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,820
they're also promoting the bio

2056
00:57:14,820 --> 00:57:15,990
coffee, they say that this is

2057
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:16,830
going to be a framework for

2058
00:57:16,830 --> 00:57:18,330
promoting the bio for promoting

2059
00:57:18,330 --> 00:57:19,860
biotech to develop new products.

2060
00:57:20,730 --> 00:57:23,130
And they put out this bioeconomy

2061
00:57:23,130 --> 00:57:25,200
strategy document, which again,

2062
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,120
is kind of like, I guess, a

2063
00:57:27,150 --> 00:57:28,530
whole government in the sense of

2064
00:57:28,530 --> 00:57:29,910
trying to get all the EU

2065
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,520
governing bodies involved, to

2066
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,100
focus on biological sources,

2067
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,540
creating new systems that depend

2068
00:57:36,540 --> 00:57:38,010
on biological resources. And

2069
00:57:38,010 --> 00:57:38,700
this what I was talking about

2070
00:57:38,700 --> 00:57:39,690
earlier, including animals,

2071
00:57:39,690 --> 00:57:41,340
plants, micro organisms, and

2072
00:57:41,340 --> 00:57:43,020
their biomass and so biomass

2073
00:57:43,020 --> 00:57:44,040
that could be your blood, your

2074
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,020
bones, your waist, you know, you

2075
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,270
and they're saying that this is

2076
00:57:48,270 --> 00:57:49,440
about quarter protecting the

2077
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,150
environment, biodiversity all,

2078
00:57:51,870 --> 00:57:53,070
it was just this summer, in

2079
00:57:53,070 --> 00:57:54,240
June, the EU, they published

2080
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:55,770
this progress report discussing

2081
00:57:55,770 --> 00:57:57,210
how they're, you know, making

2082
00:57:57,660 --> 00:57:58,650
some progress on their

2083
00:57:58,650 --> 00:58:00,870
bioeconomy strategy. And that

2084
00:58:00,870 --> 00:58:01,860
they're now finally to get it

2085
00:58:01,890 --> 00:58:03,900
getting it developed in EU

2086
00:58:03,900 --> 00:58:04,950
member states in different

2087
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:06,120
regions. So it's making it clear

2088
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:07,050
that like, this is not just

2089
00:58:07,050 --> 00:58:08,160
happening in the United States,

2090
00:58:08,190 --> 00:58:09,300
this is happening across the

2091
00:58:09,300 --> 00:58:10,710
European Union, sure, we can

2092
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:12,090
look at other nations and see it

2093
00:58:12,090 --> 00:58:13,650
as well. And yeah, it all comes

2094
00:58:13,650 --> 00:58:15,420
back down to when you look at

2095
00:58:15,450 --> 00:58:17,550
the EU's bioeconomy strategy, it

2096
00:58:17,550 --> 00:58:18,780
makes it perfectly clear that

2097
00:58:18,810 --> 00:58:19,740
they see the role of the

2098
00:58:19,740 --> 00:58:21,840
bioeconomy serving the UN

2099
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,070
Sustainable Development Goals

2100
00:58:23,070 --> 00:58:24,510
and agenda 2030. And it

2101
00:58:24,510 --> 00:58:26,400
specifically says that its aim

2102
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:27,570
is to, quote accelerate the

2103
00:58:27,570 --> 00:58:28,800
deployment of a sustainable

2104
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,300
European bio economy to

2105
00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:32,310
contribute towards the SDGs and

2106
00:58:32,310 --> 00:58:33,750
help fulfill the goals of the

2107
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:35,460
Paris Agreement. So I mean,

2108
00:58:35,460 --> 00:58:36,720
they're making it clear, it's

2109
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:37,470
about right there.

2110
00:58:37,500 --> 00:58:38,910
Yes. So now that the European

2111
00:58:38,910 --> 00:58:40,650
economy is about to be totally

2112
00:58:40,650 --> 00:58:43,470
totaled, I wonder if they're

2113
00:58:43,470 --> 00:58:44,670
just going to build up a bio

2114
00:58:44,670 --> 00:58:45,900
economy in its place. And that's

2115
00:58:45,900 --> 00:58:46,710
going to be the focus of

2116
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:47,910
everything. And I sort of wonder

2117
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:49,140
the same for the US, which, you

2118
00:58:49,140 --> 00:58:51,120
know, seems like it's not going

2119
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,280
to economically collapse. At the

2120
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,080
same time Europe does maybe a

2121
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,450
bit after. But, you know, this

2122
00:58:57,450 --> 00:58:58,650
sort of seems like to be the,

2123
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,220
one of the, the things going

2124
00:59:02,220 --> 00:59:03,330
forward, one of the focus,

2125
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,070
economic focuses, you know, when

2126
00:59:05,070 --> 00:59:06,570
they quote, unquote, build back

2127
00:59:06,570 --> 00:59:07,710
better, and all of that is going

2128
00:59:07,710 --> 00:59:08,850
to be this type of stuff,

2129
00:59:08,910 --> 00:59:10,170
especially if they're linking it

2130
00:59:10,170 --> 00:59:12,000
to the SDGs. And one thing that

2131
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,050
that Ian and I have pointed out

2132
00:59:13,050 --> 00:59:14,460
in the SDG series is that they

2133
00:59:14,460 --> 00:59:15,930
basically use the urgency

2134
00:59:15,930 --> 00:59:18,480
excuse, as a means to like,

2135
00:59:18,930 --> 00:59:20,550
force the implementation of this

2136
00:59:20,550 --> 00:59:22,320
agenda and not look deeper into

2137
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:23,610
what the SDGs are, like, really

2138
00:59:23,610 --> 00:59:25,260
about or who's running it, which

2139
00:59:25,260 --> 00:59:26,580
is like central bankers and Wall

2140
00:59:26,580 --> 00:59:29,910
Street bankers, and stuff like

2141
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:31,470
that. But they basically say,

2142
00:59:31,470 --> 00:59:33,360
you know, the cost if we don't

2143
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:34,980
implement the SDGs is going to

2144
00:59:34,980 --> 00:59:37,440
be so much worse. And so we have

2145
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,120
to do it. Otherwise, this thing

2146
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:40,530
down the line, we promise will

2147
00:59:40,530 --> 00:59:42,000
be so bad. And this is coming

2148
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:42,930
from the people who were like

2149
00:59:42,930 --> 00:59:44,280
the predictive modelers about

2150
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,500
COVID Or you know, who were

2151
00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:47,790
totally wrong. And if you look

2152
00:59:47,790 --> 00:59:49,860
at those predictive modelers in

2153
00:59:49,860 --> 00:59:51,240
their past like in the UK with

2154
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:52,350
like Foot and Mouth Disease and

2155
00:59:52,350 --> 00:59:53,160
all this stuff, I mean, they're

2156
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:54,990
always wrong. And the Limits to

2157
00:59:54,990 --> 00:59:56,490
Growth guys and the Club of Rome

2158
00:59:56,490 --> 00:59:58,020
and all that, like always wrong,

2159
00:59:58,350 --> 01:00:00,270
and their models, obviously He

2160
01:00:00,270 --> 01:00:02,460
like suck and don't work. So you

2161
01:00:02,460 --> 01:00:04,200
know, are we going to trust them

2162
01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:07,770
again, and destroying

2163
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,060
everything. I mean, it's just

2164
01:00:09,060 --> 01:00:10,200
mental. So basically, you know,

2165
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:11,430
they're, they're using people's

2166
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:12,570
love for the environment and

2167
01:00:12,570 --> 01:00:14,910
nature to sell them into this

2168
01:00:15,150 --> 01:00:16,590
system. And if you're just gene

2169
01:00:16,590 --> 01:00:17,520
editing everything, you're gonna

2170
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,530
destroy nature, plain and

2171
01:00:19,530 --> 01:00:20,880
simple. And that's not even

2172
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,140
talking about the land grabs,

2173
01:00:22,140 --> 01:00:23,250
and all of the stuff that are

2174
01:00:23,250 --> 01:00:24,300
going on that, you know, has

2175
01:00:24,300 --> 01:00:25,830
been some of the focus of the

2176
01:00:25,830 --> 01:00:27,480
series lately. But I worry, you

2177
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:28,560
know, what happens when some of

2178
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:29,940
these entities under the guise

2179
01:00:29,940 --> 01:00:31,140
of the UN, like the Nature

2180
01:00:31,140 --> 01:00:32,250
Conservancy, and some of these

2181
01:00:32,250 --> 01:00:34,110
other groups are doing these

2182
01:00:34,110 --> 01:00:36,060
debt for conservation swamps, as

2183
01:00:36,060 --> 01:00:37,020
they're calling them now, which

2184
01:00:37,020 --> 01:00:38,670
are just land grabs. And then

2185
01:00:38,670 --> 01:00:40,380
they're tasked with conserving

2186
01:00:40,380 --> 01:00:42,240
this land or natural asset

2187
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,280
corporations that they've

2188
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,080
created now, tasked with

2189
01:00:46,110 --> 01:00:47,580
conserving a piece of land, and

2190
01:00:47,580 --> 01:00:48,900
they just gene edit everything

2191
01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:50,400
on it, because they say it's it

2192
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:51,930
will make it more sustainable.

2193
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:53,850
You know, this is this is the

2194
01:00:53,850 --> 01:00:55,260
kind of stuff going forward. And

2195
01:00:55,260 --> 01:00:56,910
so that's why, you know, I think

2196
01:00:56,910 --> 01:00:57,870
the Sustainable Development

2197
01:00:57,870 --> 01:00:59,070
Goals, people need to start

2198
01:00:59,070 --> 01:01:00,060
paying more attention to it,

2199
01:01:00,060 --> 01:01:01,350
obviously, I think that

2200
01:01:01,350 --> 01:01:03,390
otherwise, I wanted to start

2201
01:01:03,390 --> 01:01:05,400
into series about it. Yeah, you

2202
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:06,780
know, but there's, there's a lot

2203
01:01:08,010 --> 01:01:09,690
about just a couple of points.

2204
01:01:09,690 --> 01:01:11,400
You said there just for anybody

2205
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:12,450
who hasn't come across,

2206
01:01:13,290 --> 01:01:14,400
obviously, read the sustainable

2207
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:15,390
development goals and get to

2208
01:01:15,390 --> 01:01:16,980
understand that, but another

2209
01:01:16,980 --> 01:01:19,320
term and kind of just lingo that

2210
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:20,340
we're seeing more and more that

2211
01:01:20,340 --> 01:01:22,110
you were just touching on is the

2212
01:01:22,110 --> 01:01:23,190
idea of the nature based

2213
01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:24,990
economy, the WEF is pushing

2214
01:01:24,990 --> 01:01:26,610
for based solutions. They call

2215
01:01:26,610 --> 01:01:27,270
it Yeah,

2216
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:28,830
yeah. Nature based economy,

2217
01:01:28,830 --> 01:01:30,300
nature based solutions I can so

2218
01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:31,530
again, anybody who doesn't know

2219
01:01:31,530 --> 01:01:32,640
anything about it just hears

2220
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:33,780
that like, okay, like, yeah,

2221
01:01:33,780 --> 01:01:35,100
conservation, something to do

2222
01:01:35,100 --> 01:01:36,060
with the planet, helping the

2223
01:01:36,060 --> 01:01:37,980
environment. But that's not what

2224
01:01:37,980 --> 01:01:39,690
this is about at all. In fact,

2225
01:01:39,690 --> 01:01:41,640
in the worst case scenario, it's

2226
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:43,500
about pretending like you care

2227
01:01:43,500 --> 01:01:44,610
about the environment and

2228
01:01:44,610 --> 01:01:46,890
putting that in front of on top

2229
01:01:46,890 --> 01:01:49,830
of human concerns and basically

2230
01:01:49,890 --> 01:01:51,570
enslaving the people to the

2231
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:52,740
alleged concerns about the

2232
01:01:52,740 --> 01:01:54,510
environment, and building up all

2233
01:01:54,510 --> 01:01:56,070
around this idea of the green. I

2234
01:01:56,070 --> 01:01:57,360
mean, this is like this, these

2235
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:58,680
are all just elements of the

2236
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:00,450
greenwashing that I think more

2237
01:02:00,450 --> 01:02:01,260
and more people are becoming

2238
01:02:01,260 --> 01:02:02,550
aware of, I do think it's

2239
01:02:02,550 --> 01:02:03,450
important for us to have this

2240
01:02:03,450 --> 01:02:04,710
conversation and for you to be

2241
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,070
dissecting the SDGs because a

2242
01:02:08,070 --> 01:02:09,540
lot of people woke up the last

2243
01:02:09,540 --> 01:02:11,640
couple of years to COVID-19. And

2244
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:12,690
they started to realize like,

2245
01:02:12,900 --> 01:02:14,010
wow, the whole world can be

2246
01:02:14,010 --> 01:02:15,810
fooled by faulty models and by

2247
01:02:15,810 --> 01:02:17,220
hysteria and listen that and

2248
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:20,040
exactly, not so many people have

2249
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:21,150
gone back and kind of applied

2250
01:02:21,150 --> 01:02:22,950
that same rigor of thought to

2251
01:02:22,980 --> 01:02:23,820
the other side of change

2252
01:02:23,820 --> 01:02:24,720
conversation.

2253
01:02:26,130 --> 01:02:27,330
Yeah, well, I hope they do.

2254
01:02:27,330 --> 01:02:28,290
Because, you know, like we

2255
01:02:28,290 --> 01:02:29,280
mentioned earlier about the

2256
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:30,600
Green Revolution, and all of

2257
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,630
that the Monsanto evangelists of

2258
01:02:33,630 --> 01:02:35,580
yesteryear are the same people

2259
01:02:35,580 --> 01:02:37,350
saying, we have to implement the

2260
01:02:37,350 --> 01:02:38,760
SDGs immediately to save the

2261
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,260
planet. Do you think someone

2262
01:02:40,260 --> 01:02:41,490
like Bill Gates, who went around

2263
01:02:41,490 --> 01:02:43,710
selling Monsanto all over the

2264
01:02:43,710 --> 01:02:45,900
world and creating a Indian

2265
01:02:45,900 --> 01:02:47,340
farmer suicide crisis and

2266
01:02:47,340 --> 01:02:49,590
environmental crisis cares about

2267
01:02:49,590 --> 01:02:52,050
the planet? I mean, come on

2268
01:02:52,050 --> 01:02:54,570
people. I mean, the software

2269
01:02:54,570 --> 01:02:54,990
before

2270
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:57,120
that he was buying up all that

2271
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:58,380
land for the good of the people

2272
01:02:58,410 --> 01:02:59,400
originally, but

2273
01:02:59,549 --> 01:03:00,929
Oh, you mean, the farmland in

2274
01:03:00,929 --> 01:03:02,069
the US? I'm talking about when

2275
01:03:02,069 --> 01:03:03,449
he, you know, basically forced

2276
01:03:03,449 --> 01:03:05,159
the Monsanto DEBT SLAVERY model

2277
01:03:05,159 --> 01:03:07,019
on the developing world,

2278
01:03:07,019 --> 01:03:07,949
claiming it would increase

2279
01:03:07,949 --> 01:03:09,059
yields and all this stuff, and

2280
01:03:09,059 --> 01:03:10,769
then it didn't, and it destroyed

2281
01:03:11,039 --> 01:03:12,479
their soil and their environment

2282
01:03:12,479 --> 01:03:13,829
and their livelihoods. You know,

2283
01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:14,879
that's the guy we're supposed to

2284
01:03:14,879 --> 01:03:15,479
trust.

2285
01:03:15,810 --> 01:03:17,310
Are you telling me that Golden?

2286
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,010
Golden Rice didn't save Africa?

2287
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,210
No, apparently not. It was just

2288
01:03:24,210 --> 01:03:25,410
a flute. Well, actually, there

2289
01:03:25,410 --> 01:03:26,940
has been some pushback locally

2290
01:03:26,940 --> 01:03:28,380
in Africa against this stuff. I

2291
01:03:28,380 --> 01:03:29,400
don't know if you saw but there

2292
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,500
was some conference. And the

2293
01:03:31,500 --> 01:03:32,640
Gates Foundation was like,

2294
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,880
forced to admit that things. All

2295
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:37,710
their previous plants failed

2296
01:03:37,710 --> 01:03:39,600
miserably. And in terms of how

2297
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:40,890
they'd been selling it, like

2298
01:03:40,890 --> 01:03:42,120
increased yields, and all of the

2299
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,430
stuff and better food insecurity

2300
01:03:44,430 --> 01:03:46,140
did the opposite. And so they

2301
01:03:46,140 --> 01:03:47,850
just blame climate change for

2302
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,340
not working. Of course, that's

2303
01:03:50,340 --> 01:03:52,140
easy enough. Yeah, no, I mean,

2304
01:03:52,140 --> 01:03:53,250
what else would they do, but

2305
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:54,630
there's a lot of pushback

2306
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:56,310
locally there. So I hope you

2307
01:03:56,310 --> 01:03:57,360
know, that continues to grow,

2308
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:58,620
because the future is local

2309
01:03:58,620 --> 01:04:00,360
dude. So and you know, that

2310
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:01,590
better than anybody. So I guess

2311
01:04:01,590 --> 01:04:02,670
now that we're wrapping up here,

2312
01:04:02,670 --> 01:04:04,770
it's a good opportunity to give

2313
01:04:04,770 --> 01:04:06,750
you, you know, time to promote

2314
01:04:06,780 --> 01:04:08,460
some of the stuff you do in

2315
01:04:08,460 --> 01:04:10,620
terms of solutions, getting

2316
01:04:10,620 --> 01:04:11,730
local, some of the work you're

2317
01:04:11,730 --> 01:04:14,580
doing, you know, not just, um,

2318
01:04:14,850 --> 01:04:15,900
you know, in that sense, but

2319
01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:17,760
also in terms of media and what

2320
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:18,540
you have coming up.

2321
01:04:19,260 --> 01:04:20,220
Sure, I appreciate the

2322
01:04:20,220 --> 01:04:21,240
opportunity. And thanks for

2323
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:22,530
having me on, again, to talk

2324
01:04:22,530 --> 01:04:24,990
about this topic. Everybody to

2325
01:04:24,990 --> 01:04:26,790
read your series on SDGs and

2326
01:04:26,790 --> 01:04:28,230
check out the work I did on

2327
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:30,090
gingko Bioworks. You know, in

2328
01:04:30,090 --> 01:04:31,740
terms of connecting people

2329
01:04:31,740 --> 01:04:33,390
locally, I agree with you 100%,

2330
01:04:33,390 --> 01:04:35,400
that the future is local. And

2331
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:36,420
again, you're gonna see the

2332
01:04:36,420 --> 01:04:37,740
World Economic Forum of the UN

2333
01:04:37,740 --> 01:04:39,030
try to co op that language like

2334
01:04:39,030 --> 01:04:41,250
they do everything else. But in

2335
01:04:41,250 --> 01:04:42,900
reality, it is important for us

2336
01:04:42,900 --> 01:04:43,980
to be connected to our local

2337
01:04:43,980 --> 01:04:45,540
community and that I mean,

2338
01:04:45,540 --> 01:04:46,500
whatever that means for you,

2339
01:04:46,500 --> 01:04:47,460
that could be like, Do you have

2340
01:04:47,460 --> 01:04:48,780
a family support system? Do you

2341
01:04:48,780 --> 01:04:50,190
got a couple of close friends?

2342
01:04:50,460 --> 01:04:51,900
Do you have an activist group

2343
01:04:51,900 --> 01:04:52,980
you work with or meet with

2344
01:04:52,980 --> 01:04:55,110
whatever it may be? But having

2345
01:04:55,110 --> 01:04:56,340
that support system is going to

2346
01:04:56,340 --> 01:04:58,740
be really important because as

2347
01:04:58,740 --> 01:04:59,940
we've just outlined here, there

2348
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,140
They're clearly coming after the

2349
01:05:01,140 --> 01:05:02,340
food. You know, when I think

2350
01:05:02,340 --> 01:05:04,710
about the different myriad of

2351
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:05,700
attacks we're facing, there's a

2352
01:05:05,700 --> 01:05:06,780
few things that come to mind.

2353
01:05:06,810 --> 01:05:08,730
It's the children. So in my

2354
01:05:08,730 --> 01:05:10,110
mind, that's like, thinking

2355
01:05:10,110 --> 01:05:11,160
about getting them out of the

2356
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:12,540
state school systems for those

2357
01:05:12,540 --> 01:05:13,620
who can afford it, or have an

2358
01:05:13,620 --> 01:05:15,090
opportunity to do so. Or at the

2359
01:05:15,090 --> 01:05:16,440
very least, becoming extremely

2360
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:17,580
involved in your child's life.

2361
01:05:17,580 --> 01:05:19,020
So you know, what kind of crap

2362
01:05:19,020 --> 01:05:19,710
they're trying to put in their

2363
01:05:19,710 --> 01:05:21,930
head. So the kids the food, of

2364
01:05:21,930 --> 01:05:23,760
course, the food supply, beat,

2365
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:24,960
the ability to grow food

2366
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:26,580
privately individually, you

2367
01:05:26,580 --> 01:05:27,990
know, that's, that's under

2368
01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:30,180
attack, right? So you got kids

2369
01:05:30,180 --> 01:05:31,200
the food, and then of course,

2370
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:32,310
our health, mental health,

2371
01:05:32,310 --> 01:05:33,810
physical health. These are areas

2372
01:05:33,810 --> 01:05:34,740
I think, that are important for

2373
01:05:34,740 --> 01:05:35,850
each of us to focus on. And

2374
01:05:35,850 --> 01:05:37,530
maybe, you know, the idea could

2375
01:05:37,530 --> 01:05:39,600
be finding people in your local

2376
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,100
area who have similar concerns

2377
01:05:41,100 --> 01:05:42,120
and saying, Okay, well, what can

2378
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:43,440
we do about protecting the kids?

2379
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,240
What can we do about ensuring we

2380
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,130
have, you know, food for the

2381
01:05:47,130 --> 01:05:48,420
future, or that we know that we

2382
01:05:48,420 --> 01:05:49,560
have some basic skills, or we've

2383
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:50,670
got food stored or whatever

2384
01:05:50,670 --> 01:05:52,020
things you feel are necessary,

2385
01:05:52,020 --> 01:05:53,130
and I can't necessarily tell

2386
01:05:53,130 --> 01:05:54,930
anybody, what's right for them.

2387
01:05:55,170 --> 01:05:56,370
But if that's the situation

2388
01:05:56,370 --> 01:05:57,690
you're in, and someone's hearing

2389
01:05:57,690 --> 01:05:58,950
this and looking for more people

2390
01:05:58,950 --> 01:06:00,300
doesn't have much connection to

2391
01:06:00,300 --> 01:06:02,010
their community or family, I

2392
01:06:02,010 --> 01:06:03,150
encourage them to visit freedom

2393
01:06:03,150 --> 01:06:04,920
cells.org, that's freedom ca

2394
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:06,390
ELLs, like the cells in your

2395
01:06:06,390 --> 01:06:08,640
body. The idea being that each

2396
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:10,740
group, cell pod, hub, Hive,

2397
01:06:10,740 --> 01:06:12,030
whatever you want to call it, is

2398
01:06:12,030 --> 01:06:13,890
individual and powerful and

2399
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:15,960
unique on its own building in,

2400
01:06:16,290 --> 01:06:18,090
you know, Chile, or Mexico, or

2401
01:06:18,090 --> 01:06:19,620
India, or Africa or whatever.

2402
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,180
But then at the same time, that

2403
01:06:21,180 --> 01:06:22,470
individual cell is kind of part

2404
01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:23,730
of this larger network that has

2405
01:06:23,730 --> 01:06:24,930
been forming in the last couple

2406
01:06:24,930 --> 01:06:26,940
of years, all around the world.

2407
01:06:26,970 --> 01:06:29,070
And ultimately, you know, for

2408
01:06:29,070 --> 01:06:30,930
myself, and many of us involved

2409
01:06:30,930 --> 01:06:31,860
in this, like, we're truly

2410
01:06:31,860 --> 01:06:33,450
trying to build a parallel

2411
01:06:33,450 --> 01:06:35,190
economy parallel system, because

2412
01:06:35,190 --> 01:06:38,130
I don't see any way to stay

2413
01:06:38,130 --> 01:06:39,960
human. Honestly, by just

2414
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:41,280
thinking we can continue going

2415
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:42,510
about our lives and just kind of

2416
01:06:42,510 --> 01:06:43,590
watching things get crazy. At

2417
01:06:43,590 --> 01:06:44,700
some point, I think there will

2418
01:06:44,700 --> 01:06:46,290
be to be made, you know, are you

2419
01:06:46,290 --> 01:06:47,310
going this way? Are you going

2420
01:06:47,310 --> 01:06:49,950
that way? Right. So I think that

2421
01:06:49,950 --> 01:06:52,170
finding people who are thinking

2422
01:06:52,170 --> 01:06:53,820
in those terms and trying to see

2423
01:06:53,820 --> 01:06:54,690
like, you know, how can we

2424
01:06:54,900 --> 01:06:56,190
support each other, protect each

2425
01:06:56,190 --> 01:06:57,930
other, etc, whatever you can do

2426
01:06:57,930 --> 01:06:59,730
is going to be vital. So that's

2427
01:06:59,730 --> 01:07:00,900
one thing that I'm always

2428
01:07:00,900 --> 01:07:03,300
working on, is we just recently

2429
01:07:03,300 --> 01:07:04,590
relaunched the website for the

2430
01:07:04,590 --> 01:07:05,700
Freedom Sales website. So we've

2431
01:07:05,700 --> 01:07:07,080
got some new features, making it

2432
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:08,100
easier for people to find

2433
01:07:08,100 --> 01:07:09,420
people, you pretty much just go

2434
01:07:09,420 --> 01:07:10,680
on there, create a profile, put

2435
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:12,000
your details, you don't got to

2436
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,130
put anything real if people are

2437
01:07:14,130 --> 01:07:15,690
paranoid about it. But if you

2438
01:07:15,690 --> 01:07:16,620
want to put you know, hey, what

2439
01:07:16,620 --> 01:07:17,550
are you interested in learning?

2440
01:07:17,550 --> 01:07:18,420
What skills do you have to

2441
01:07:18,420 --> 01:07:20,820
offer, you can put your not your

2442
01:07:20,820 --> 01:07:21,870
home address, but just pick a

2443
01:07:21,870 --> 01:07:23,100
park or something nearby,

2444
01:07:23,100 --> 01:07:24,450
something close and an add you

2445
01:07:24,450 --> 01:07:25,890
to our map so that when other

2446
01:07:25,890 --> 01:07:26,940
people come and they search for

2447
01:07:26,940 --> 01:07:27,960
their area, they can search,

2448
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,070
look, show me everybody in 20

2449
01:07:29,070 --> 01:07:31,080
miles, and then you might pop up

2450
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:32,100
for them, you might get a

2451
01:07:32,100 --> 01:07:33,060
message from someone saying,

2452
01:07:33,060 --> 01:07:33,870
Hey, you seem like you have

2453
01:07:33,870 --> 01:07:34,950
similar goals and interests, do

2454
01:07:34,950 --> 01:07:35,970
you want to meet up for coffee,

2455
01:07:35,970 --> 01:07:37,020
or, Hey, we have an activist

2456
01:07:37,020 --> 01:07:38,190
group that gets together we have

2457
01:07:38,190 --> 01:07:40,050
a cell that meets come connect

2458
01:07:40,050 --> 01:07:41,820
with us. And from there, you

2459
01:07:41,820 --> 01:07:42,900
know, it's up to you to take it

2460
01:07:42,900 --> 01:07:44,700
offline and see where it can go.

2461
01:07:44,700 --> 01:07:46,290
And thankfully, people who are

2462
01:07:46,290 --> 01:07:47,610
taking this serious are having

2463
01:07:47,610 --> 01:07:49,140
some success. And we've heard

2464
01:07:49,140 --> 01:07:50,520
from people who've met

2465
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:51,750
individuals through the website,

2466
01:07:51,750 --> 01:07:52,680
and now they're homeschooling

2467
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:53,790
their kids together, they pulled

2468
01:07:53,790 --> 01:07:54,630
their money out of the bank,

2469
01:07:54,660 --> 01:07:55,590
they bought land, you know,

2470
01:07:55,590 --> 01:07:57,390
different things. So the

2471
01:07:57,390 --> 01:07:58,410
opportunities are there for

2472
01:07:58,410 --> 01:07:59,910
people who are really serious

2473
01:07:59,910 --> 01:08:02,010
about trying to avoid all this

2474
01:08:02,010 --> 01:08:04,020
insanity coming. So I encourage

2475
01:08:04,020 --> 01:08:06,180
people to check that out. And

2476
01:08:06,180 --> 01:08:07,440
the other thing I'll mention is,

2477
01:08:08,010 --> 01:08:09,540
the Pyramid of Power is just one

2478
01:08:09,540 --> 01:08:11,040
of my journalistic projects that

2479
01:08:11,070 --> 01:08:12,240
I've been working on now for

2480
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,550
almost two years. And it's a 17

2481
01:08:14,550 --> 01:08:16,290
part documentary series that,

2482
01:08:16,650 --> 01:08:17,790
that you're featured in Whitney

2483
01:08:17,790 --> 01:08:18,870
and a few different episodes.

2484
01:08:18,900 --> 01:08:21,030
And James Corbett G, Edward

2485
01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:23,130
Griffin, Patrick wood, a lot of

2486
01:08:23,130 --> 01:08:24,810
really intelligent people, Peter

2487
01:08:24,810 --> 01:08:27,360
Dale, Scott. And my idea with it

2488
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:29,790
is was to just try to take on

2489
01:08:29,790 --> 01:08:30,690
this whole whole, you know, the

2490
01:08:30,690 --> 01:08:31,650
whole big picture, from

2491
01:08:31,650 --> 01:08:33,570
education, to media, to

2492
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:34,890
medicine, and all these

2493
01:08:34,890 --> 01:08:35,850
different areas that we could

2494
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focus on, and try to report on

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it, and 30 minutes or less for

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the Netflix vegetable generation

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basically. And you know, which

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is quite a bit of a challenge to

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these huge topics and condense

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them down to we've been

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successful for most of them,

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keeping it under 30 minutes. And

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so we bring you the best

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information, my own original

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research plus information from

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other documents or books that

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have already been put out there.

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And then we present solutions at

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the end of every episode, and

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then present, you know, for

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further reading, check out this

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book, check out this

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documentary, etc, etc. And we're

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Yeah, when it's all said and

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done, we're at, we're at chapter

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12. And we'll be coming out

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hopefully tomorrow. But when

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it's all said and done next

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year, it'll be 17 episodes. And

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the final as we progress, we're

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getting like a little deeper,

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where the remaining episodes are

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going to be getting into like

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the the pedo class, the you

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know, idea of secret societies

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and roundtable groups and

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01:09:28,410 --> 01:09:30,000
getting deeper into some of the

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stuff that maybe might be new to

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01:09:32,220 --> 01:09:33,690
some people. So that's that can

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be found at the Pyramid of Power

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dotnet. If anybody wants to

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check that out, all the episodes

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are available for free. We've

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got some of them translated into

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Spanish, I've just got them all

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translated into Dutch and

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somebody's working on German as

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well right now. So yeah, that's,

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you know, some some of the

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things going on. And of course,

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all my work can always be found

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01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:50,520
at the conscious resistance.com.

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So I appreciate you having me on

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Whitney and let me share my

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01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:53,790
projects.

2546
01:09:54,119 --> 01:09:55,139
Absolutely. Derek, thanks for

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01:09:55,139 --> 01:09:56,249
your great work and thanks for

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01:09:56,249 --> 01:09:57,929
coming back on always, always a

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01:09:57,929 --> 01:09:59,999
good time. So thanks ever

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listening as well, hopefully

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01:10:01,529 --> 01:10:03,269
you'll share this. People

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listening will share this around

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so we can have, you know, a

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01:10:06,119 --> 01:10:08,069
better understanding among, you

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01:10:08,069 --> 01:10:08,759
know the people that listen to

2556
01:10:08,759 --> 01:10:11,279
this podcast and others about

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01:10:11,279 --> 01:10:12,389
what this executive order is

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01:10:12,389 --> 01:10:14,429
really about what it means for

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01:10:14,429 --> 01:10:15,899
the future and all of that. So

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01:10:15,899 --> 01:10:16,949
with that being said, thanks

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everyone for listening and I'll

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catch you all next time.