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The purpose and the passion was like granted to me.

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Whether this is from a genetic thing that comes super deep,

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you know, like maybe just genetically or imprinted,

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like this is what you're going to be interested in.

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Or maybe if it's like a spiritual thing,

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like maybe my soul was always destined to be interested in wanting to do this kind of thing.

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Whatever it is, I think it was just, it was predetermined at birth.

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And it's almost like that's what I always wanted to do.

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Thank you for joining me.

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Yeah, thanks for having me.

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Can't wait to have this very juicy conversation.

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And let's start by stating the obvious,

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because there's a lot of big changes that are happening in your life.

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And I want to dive into the journey,

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the future that's coming out from this major revelation.

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You recently made the bold move of going public with your real name

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after years of operating under the name of Peruvian Ball.

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Yes, yes.

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What was that thought process like?

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Because that was a big shift out of nowhere.

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Yeah, for a lot of people who just saw it,

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they were like, it seemed like it came out of nowhere.

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But I had been talking to several other creators

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for quite a few months that have been recommending me

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to make this move, to make this shift.

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There's, you know, Mark Moss and Ian Carroll

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who were both recommending that, you know,

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as I keep growing and especially as I pass like, you know, certain thresholds in Bitcoin land and

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macro and finance, like people are going to want to know my real name. The issue with running

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anonymous is that there's definitely a safety feature and like you can kind of hide behind

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the pseudonym, right? If you're Bitcoin Gandalf or if you're Peruvian bull, you're just like this

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shadowy figure on the internet and no one really knows who you are or what you are. And so they

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can't really attack you personally as easily. And I realized that I was just kind of staying in a rut.

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I was getting too comfortable with that name and getting too comfortable with who I was. And for

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this next stage of growth, which I have a lot of huge initiatives and plans coming up, I need to be

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public and I need to be out there. So I decided to make the move, but it was definitely scary.

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What was not serving you with Peruvian Ball? What were the things that you couldn't do with

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the pseudonym back then that you felt like you needed to come?

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Sure. So there's a couple of things. For one, on Twitter, there's definitely like the younger demographics, like people my age, your age. We all we can understand if someone's anonymous online. Like there's reasons why it would happen. We've seen a bunch of famous people on Bitcoin, Twitter be anonymous. And so it's kind of like part of our cultural milieu in our environment. Right. We understand it.

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But for older people, especially past, you know, 38, 39 and into their 40s, they didn't grow up with the internet like we did.

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And so they don't understand that environment.

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And so I noticed that like especially, you know, yeah, more senior seasoned entrepreneurs, more senior seasoned people were saying that like, I don't want to invite you on my show because I don't even know who Peruvian Bull is.

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Like I would only bring on someone who shows their real name.

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And so, yeah, there are people who said that.

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Yeah.

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And ever since I went public, I've actually gotten interviews for, I've gotten interview

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invites for other shows that were like specifically finance or macro focused that were waiting

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for me to tell my name, apparently.

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Bitcoin is, it's a revolution, not only obviously in money, but it's also a revolution in thinking.

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And so like the culture is completely different than traditional finance.

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Traditional finance is very like, you know, tight collar, you know, stiff upper lip.

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Like this is my pomp and circumstance.

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This is who I am.

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They're being very formal.

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And so if I don't share my name, like none of the traditional finance podcasts would have me on as like a guest.

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Right. Really. Like there's a few, but like there's tiny, all the big ones, all the ones that you need to be on.

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I wouldn't let me on. And, you know, I got the grace to get to TFTC, you know, Marty Ben's podcast and Robert Breedlove's podcast.

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But again, they understand that a pseudonym because they're in the Bitcoin space, but no one else really did.

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This trend or this behavior in a more, let's say, yet we're tried by space.

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Why you need a real name and a real identity to even be out there.

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They're showing your credibility and your knowledge is the same.

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I know it's kind of ridiculous, but it's again, I think it's just their nostalgia for the world that was right in their world.

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There was no reason. There was no Internet pseudonyms.

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There's no Internet posting. So like everyone just went by the real name by default.

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And so they're just so stuck in their old ways that that's what they want to do.

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They just want to continue to perpetuate what was.

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And if you've talked about this for a while, why make the move now?

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So I made the move now because for one, I went to the Bitcoin conference and I spoke.

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And I've had this problem before where I go to a conference or I go to a meetup and everyone

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was just like, hi, you know, what's your name?

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And I'm like, my name is Roberto.

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And they're just like, OK, yeah, whatever.

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And, you know, what do you do?

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Yeah, I'm bored.

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And they're just like, I'm Peruvian.

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Bowl. And they're like, you're a Peruvian Bowl? Dude, I follow you on Twitter. And I'm like,

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yeah, like, you didn't recognize me? They're like, no, what the prick? That's so awesome.

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They're like freaking out. And I'm like, well, this is kind of bad that I can't,

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because I don't feel comfortable going up to people at a party and saying, hi, I'm Peruvian

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Bowl. That's just weird. Even among the Bitcoin space, like in person, like imagine if I was at a

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party and I introduced myself to you and you're like, I'm Vivian. I'm like, hey, I'm Peruvian

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bull. You'd be like, okay, that's kind of weird. So it's just not natural in human conversation to

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social groups to actually say like a pseudonym as like your real name. And so I was like,

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this is just too awkward. And at the Bitcoin conference, right, I went to some after parties.

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And obviously when I did, I did a panel with Ben and with Ian Carroll and they all both,

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they both use their real names. And then I said, my name is Peruvian bull. And then I had people

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come up to me and be like, wait, what's your username again? How do I find it? What's your

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Twitter? How do I like where it's just confusing for people. And so a lot of especially older people

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were just confused. And I just it was just hit hitting home to me that what people had said,

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like Mark and Ian was like, correct. It was like people are this is just confusing, especially the

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older generations. And I need to be public. It's time. And for the next stage of growth that I'm

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looking at, like being public is probably the right move. Was it a big and was it a hard decision?

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Yeah, it was. It was. I would say two senses. One, I was growing, you know, I just was so accustomed to using Peruvian Bowl. It was just comfortable, right? Imagine using the same name online for like five years and then posting and I grow to like 100,000 followers. And it's hard for me to think like I need to, you know, that's a huge change. A lot of my followers didn't want to do it.

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And then number two, I saw that and I felt that, especially when we went to Grand Canyon

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trip, like I was actually anxious about changing it because I was worried that like I would

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get a lot of flack.

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I write macro stuff, but I'm also a Bitcoiner and there's not many people that intersect

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those two Venn diagrams.

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There's a lot of macro people that just stick to finance, traditional finance, and there's

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a lot of Bitcoiners, but there's not many who cross those lines.

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And the ones who do are way bigger than me, like Lin Alden, you know, Luke Roman, you

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know, people with like huge businesses.

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And so I'm like one of the few smaller, I guess you saw smaller midsize creators that's doing this.

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And so, yeah, I realized I was like, man, my fear is of like judgment is getting is holding me back.

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And this just desire to have things stay the same is holding me back.

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And I just need to break through it because, like, you know, as a creator, a creative, you can't let the old version of you continually cling on to you.

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You have to if you want to grow and move forward, you have to break through those barriers and break through those things blocking you.

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I definitely could relate.

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before starting doing this podcast there's definitely a thought process of okay so before

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you're a bitcoiner and now you're still a bitcoiner but now you're you're putting yourself out there

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and it's your face and your name and people will and you can be everybody can be entitled

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to their own opinions but if you're going public and having a platform for yourself then you will

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start to have people think one way or another. How do you, I know it's still been new for you,

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but have you noticed any change of relating to your work and your personal life after you've

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come public? Yeah, absolutely. Like I said, first off, I got more interview podcasts or interview

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requests for podcasts and more like, I guess you could say business opportunities, people reaching

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saying like, wow, I'm so proud you came public. I looked you up on LinkedIn. Oh, I know who you

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are now. Blah, blah, blah. I went to, you know, you went to Gonzaga University. I went there too.

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Let's talk about, you know, potentially working together or let's talk about doing some content

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together or whatever. So I've had definitely those things, but then mostly it's just been

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positive. People were just like, wow, that's a brave thing to do to go public. Cause like now

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I can actually take real flack. People can find me for who I am. It's, you know, it comes with

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the territory, right, with being public. I'm sure you'd have the same thing as well, right? You might

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get flack sometimes on Twitter or wherever for having tags. That's just part of life.

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What was the thought process like for you to break from the fear and the doubt of going public?

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Because you've been doing this for years and then you have a well-established persona that you could

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continue. And is there any reactions that surprised you after you come public?

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There was a couple people who were upset and they were like, you know, you're giving up on this huge brand.

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You've blown it.

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Like, I don't want to follow you anymore.

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You know, I definitely had some unfollows.

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And that's just, I understand your opinion.

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I'm glad that you were so connected to the Proving Bull character.

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But that's, you know, I'm ultimately in control of my creative journey.

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I'm ultimately in control.

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Just like you have your podcast and you want to curate like the topics, the themes, the guests.

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I'm also in the same way in control of who I am and how I present myself.

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So I said, look, I appreciate everyone's opinions, but this is ultimately my decision and I'm choosing this.

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Maybe it's a mistake. Maybe you're right.

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But I'm doing it regardless because I'm tired of sticking with this Peruvian bull thing that's keeping me kind of restricted in what I can do.

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Yes, you're right.

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Ultimately, it will be coming down to us being honest.

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Us being radically honest with ourselves

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and choose our lives in a way that feels authentic to us.

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And then rest is about, I guess in a way, self-selection

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because people then can see if you naturally vibe together.

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And if you don't, then go find people that you vibe with, I guess.

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It's interesting because you're saying that you're trying to come public

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to serve your purpose better,

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to appear more credible, apparently, it seems like,

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and to be able to share your message to more people.

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And we see people who are advocates of Bitcoin privacy

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or important issues, and they take the opposite approach.

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and they are very dedicated to the same line of mission,

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like promoting Bitcoin, hyper-Bitcoinization, privacy.

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But in their approach, they choose to hide their real identity

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so that they could do their job better.

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So I wonder what is your thought on these two approaches?

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How do you see the pros and cons of both approaches?

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And how can you make sure that for whatever the approach you take,

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it's authentic, honest work that have...

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That's a good question.

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And I think, you know, again, there's multiple approaches.

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Like Uncle Rockstar is going more and more private.

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they use a mask like they'll do podcasts, but they wear this mask with like all these

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like little white dots on it that look like, you know, one of those things from Squid Games

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They're completely anonymous.

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And I think, again, that kind of a process works well for people who maybe they have

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a business that's outside of content creation.

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Maybe they're not monetizing their content full time.

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And so they are doing this more of like as a charity or as like a passion project of trying to promote Bitcoin and privacy.

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And in that case, like doing that strategy is absolutely correct.

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But for podcasts, especially, especially like relating to other people for trying to connect with people on YouTube, I think you just need to show your face.

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You know, I think people will connect with another human being more.

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People connect with me more on Twitter when I even share my mistakes.

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I want to say, hey, guys, I've tweeted this out.

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I didn't read the financials hard enough and I missed this little thing.

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I made a mistake. I'm human. I'm sorry. And when I say that and I admit my own mistakes,

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I get a lot of positive feedback. Like, good. I'm glad you said that because it shows that I'm human.

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Of course I make mistakes. You know, that's just part of life. And when you're trying to be a

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contact code, you're trying to connect with that humanity, your humanity and everyone else.

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So I'm trying to show that's why I showed my face initially. Like at first I was just completely

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just audio only podcasts. But as soon as I got invited to, you know, like Cedric Youngleman's

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podcast or Danny Prince, like I realize they are going to put this on YouTube.

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It's going to be weird if it's just a bull icon next to his face talking.

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He's like talking into a void.

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So I'm like, I need to show my face.

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Do you, did you have like a light bulb moment?

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Because from wanting to do something to making the decision and to actually doing it, there's,

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there's, it's a journey, right?

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And it's not a linear journey sometimes.

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and sometimes you can sit in a spot for months and weeks

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and not knowing if or how you should proceed.

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So do you remember like a finish line

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that got your mindset flipped

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and saying that, okay, I have to do it now?

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and I watched Ian Carroll and Dr. Robert Malone

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who did like the COVID vaccine

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and like he talked about like the problems with mRNA vaccines

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and like all these dangers back in 2020.

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And so he went viral for that.

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They gave a really good talk.

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If you know, do you know who that is?

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He's a conspiracy theory guy on YouTube.

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And I went with him and we went back to the Airbnb

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and we're playing poker with him

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and all of his entourage, his security guys.

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And I was asking Ian, because I was like,

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again, I was worried.

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I was like, so many people have said this,

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but I don't know.

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And he's someone I trust.

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And so I was like, is this a good idea?

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He's like, only good things happened to me after I went public with my name.

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Because he had the same thing.

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He was canceled his clothing company.

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And then he switched to Ian Carroll.

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And he's like, by being authentic, he's like, I'm trying to expose the truth.

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How can I tell people about the truth if I'm not being truthful about who I am?

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And he's like, and, you know, let the universe handle what happens.

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Like, if someone really wants to target, if the bad people really want to target me, they would find me anyways.

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And I know that too.

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Like, on Twitter, like, yes, the normal person doesn't know who I am.

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But if the CIA or like some really bad billionaire, like doesn't like me, wants to find my real name, they're going to find me like they're definitely going to find me.

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It's not that hard. They can probably just reverse image search my face on Google and then they'll find like Instagram, LinkedIn, whatever.

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It's not hard. And so it was more of just like a public persona thing.

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But once he said that, I was like, OK, wow, I don't have an excuse anymore.

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I realize that the only thing holding me back now is just a little bit of fear about what's going to happen.

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But I was like, I just have to jump in with both feet.

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It's still a little, I mean, still fresh, right?

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I did this, I did it June 1st, right?

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We're speaking in mid-June and June 14th.

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And, you know, that tweet went a little viral, got like 220,000 views.

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And yeah, I got a lot of feedback on it, but it was like 95% positive.

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So I was even surprised.

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I thought it'd be more negativity, but it was mostly positive.

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A handful of people said, screw you.

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I don't want to follow you anymore.

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And I'm like, you know what?

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Fine, like free.

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It's nice that you have to get the feedback after you choose to do it because you really always come down to the leap of faith almost for anything because we can't really truly be ready for everything, for anything.

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So you always come down to the leap of faith.

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And this is a good demonstration of you being honest about it and you really thought it through.

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And regardless of the consequences, I will do it because I'm being true to myself.

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I think that's ultimately the most important thing.

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Either you're in the Bitcoin space or not, it seems like.

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And everybody filters the world through their own lens.

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And now that we've talked about your latest big move, let's dive down back a little bit to see how you became you, basically.

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Do you remember any distinctive characteristics or elements that shaped your key understanding of the world today, either from an emotional perspective or geographically or experience wise?

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Sure.

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I mean, I have a really interesting backstory because I have a crazy like family and upbringing.

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So my my parent, I was born really late in my parents' life.

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My mom was 42 when I was born.

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My dad was like 46.

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And right now my parents are both in their 70s.

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And at the time, my mom didn't think she could even have kids.

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And my dad had had a vasectomy.

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So they weren't ready to have kids at all.

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And so I was born and my next oldest brother was older than me.

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So I was the baby by like a long, long shot.

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So I was almost like an only child, even though I had brothers.

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Because when I was growing up, like as a little kid, obviously like my brothers at 24, 25,

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they have a six-year-old little brother.

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It's like they don't want to hang out with him.

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You know, by 24, 25, you're out of college, you have a professional job.

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It's just that the age gap was too big.

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So I barely hung out with them.

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But I guess the upside of that was I spent so much time with my parents.

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And my dad has a PhD in atmospheric science.

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And my mom has like two master's degrees and she works in a college.

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So they're very educated.

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And so they just had me reading books.

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They had me learning.

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They had me like debating them in like, you know, about philosophy, religion, politics,

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all the time at the dinner table.

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So I was raised in this really weird space where I was just, you know, forced to learn and to read and to like educate myself and take an educational responsibility upon myself.

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So not just rely on the school, but I was like, I'm going to go read books about whatever the subject is I'm interested in and I want to learn about it.

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And so, you know, that combined with living the Pacific Northwest, it's cold and rainy all the time.

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There's not many like people are also antisocial, right?

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Especially Seattle.

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I had times when I'm at a, you know, event, I go up and talk to people and they're just like,

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say five words and then walk off. And you already open the door for somebody and they just kind of

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scowl at you, angry. And you're like, wow, like relax, dude. And so this kind of cold atmosphere,

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even though I, as a kid, I kind of didn't like like the environment up here in the Pacific

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Northwest, it forced me to like be more focused on myself and be more focused on what my passions

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were. And that was really good because it, it led me down this path of economics, finance,

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and eventually Bitcoin.

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Interesting.

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Wow.

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I didn't know about the older brother thing.

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Because me being a single child,

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like I have no...

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No context.

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No context of having siblings whatsoever

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being at your age or not at your age.

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Like it's a categorical absence for me.

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So Graham,

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what does success look like for you?

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Because your parents are very educated,

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well-educated,

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and your brothers,

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like your siblings are way older.

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How, like, were you growing up, were you under certain expectations?

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What did success look for you back then?

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And has it changed now?

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Sure.

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So, well, for me personally, I just was doing what my parents wanted me to do, right?

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Which was get really good grades in school.

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And because I was a really good reader and I was pretty smart, school was like a joke

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to me.

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It was so easy.

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Because again, remember, my parents are way older than most parents, right?

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And also at the time, they've already had three kids and they're just tired from work and school and whatever else they're doing.

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So they would just leave me to my own devices all the time.

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But they didn't have any technology in the house because our house, I describe our house as like frozen in the 90s.

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Like we still have a VHS tape at the house.

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We still have a Nintendo SNES.

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We still have like a game, like original Game Boy from like 1992.

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Really old stuff.

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And so as a kid, my parents wouldn't, they gave me no access to the Internet.

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even in like 2010, 2011, like I was like 13, 14.

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I'd like basically, I would go to the library

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to get on the computer

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or I'd have to ask my parents to use their computer

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and they'd give me like 30 minutes.

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So like, you can use the computer for 30 minutes.

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And I'm like, so I was forced to read

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and I was forced to just learn constantly.

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And so that was just the focus of it.

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And that, again, that kind of pushed me into this

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like super deep reading, super deep knowledge,

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wanting to learn more about the world.

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And my own curiosity too fostered that right I was really a curious person I was like wondering why the world is the way it is you know I think there part of both but I really think especially like your innate personality characteristics I hate to say it but I think it an innate feature I think it

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born with you. And I don't know if it has to do with your genetics or your brain makeup that's

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like genetically predetermined by your birth. But, you know, I've met people who like they,

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for example, you put them in like the most distracting environment and you have like,

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give them like 10 siblings,

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but they're super interested in art

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and they just do art no matter what.

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Even though they have all these reasons not to,

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cause all these distractions and all these people

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pushing them to do other things,

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they'll do what they want, right?

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And then on the opposite side too, right?

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You have someone who's given the best environment

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and then they still become a drug addict

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or they still become that.

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And so I hate to be deterministic, but like,

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and my parents were so, they were always telling me like,

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we were the ones who made you read.

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We're the ones who made you do this.

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I'm like, not really.

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Cause like I could have just gone,

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if I was a different personality kid,

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I would have gone outside and thrown rocks at trees all day.

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You know what I mean? Like I could have done other stuff than read.

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Like there's still there's the world around me.

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I could have gone and hung out more with other people, but I was introverted.

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I just naturally was so curious.

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I wanted to read. I wanted to research. I wanted to learn.

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It's not like as a kid, you will do whatever your parents tell you to do, right?

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Like your parents can tell you to read, but you're like secretly doing other things

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and we're not really care about what you're reading.

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Do you recall being being a sad kid?

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Because because I'm saying this from a from a girl's perspective,

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like big winners having kids starting family and we see this debate of like if you're gonna have

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kids like start sooner so that you grow with grow up with your kids so you your parents had you

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fairly late in their life so did you how was your childhood different because of that

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besides that you you you feel like have shaped you into who you are well a lot of yes a lot of

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things. For one, when I was like three and a half years old, my brother had a schizophrenic break,

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my next oldest brother. And so he was really brilliant. He was getting a degree in math at

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the University of Washington, and he was like on the fast track to be working as like a mathematician

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or statistician at one of the top tech companies. Could have made a lot of money, could have had a

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great career, but the stress was too much for him and he had a schizophrenic break. And so he had this

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kind of like emotional breakdown and had all these police officers come and arrest him.

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And my family, like understandably, the entire vibe of the family shifted because everyone was

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now worried about my brother. And so they're all trying to take care of him, figuring out what the

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kind of medicine to get him, what's the diagnosis. And the psychiatrist kept changing the diagnosis

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because first it's bipolar, then it's schizophrenic, then it's schizoaffective, then it's, you know,

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multiple personality, like no one really knew what was wrong with him. And so the entire focus

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was kind of on him. Born, you know, very late in my parents' life. And I have three older brothers.

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And when I was three years old, one of my brothers had a schizophrenic break. And that made the whole

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family focus on him because, again, he was like going through this crisis, this kind of like,

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you know, constant having a break, being in a mental institution, and then being, getting better

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and taking medicine and then stopping the medicine because of all the side effects,

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then going back to it. And so the focus of the family really shifted to my brother.

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And on the downside, that made me feel very lonely and felt make it feel like my parents didn't really care about me because, again, they were just constantly focused on my brother.

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And I was kind of like the afterthought. So I'm like a little brother who's just running around, you know, doing stuff like five years old, seven years old.

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And my other brother was like in the hospital or in a jail or, you know, he got trapped in South America in, you know, a prison because he was throwing rocks.

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He was having a break and throwing rocks at windows and screaming at people.

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That kind of isolation was negative in a lot of ways because it caused me to have a lot of internal pain.

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But it was also positive because it forced me to, again, go internally.

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So I was like, what do I need to do?

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Who do I need to become?

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what am I actually interested in?

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Like, again, if my parents are kind of busy with this

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and my brothers are busy with my other brother,

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what can I do?

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And I was like, I want to just do what I'm passionate about,

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which is I want to read.

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And I just want to learn.

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I want to learn about the world.

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And so I just kind of focused on that.

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And so that throughout, you know, middle school and high school,

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I just continued that path.

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And even in college, I was reading, like, when I was a kid,

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I was reading, like, 50 books a summer, like, insane amounts.

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Again, for you guys to remember, I have no internet.

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I have no cell phone.

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I have nothing to do.

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it's the Pacific Northwest and like I didn't have a car and my friends all live far away from school

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so um yeah I just was reading like a ton I was reading for hours every day and that that habit

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just stuck with me throughout high school and college and so I was still reading a ton and I

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got to the point where I was you know arguing with university professors because I was like

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disagreeing with them on economics and stuff and they were like shocked that I had read this book

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or already read the textbook or whatever.

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And that eventually allowed me to write my own book, obviously,

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and get up on Twitter and become very proficient with using Twitter

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because it's a text medium.

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And I was so familiar with using text because I've been reading so dang much.

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Wow, wow, impressive.

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But then do you feel like you're a logical person or intuitive person?

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I feel like I'm both.

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So that's what makes me hard to figure out for people

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because I have both characteristics.

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Like I have an aesthetic eye.

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And how do you balance the two?

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Or then do you feel like on a daily basis when you're approaching your life, you're adapting a combination of both?

437
00:26:14,018 --> 00:26:19,558
Or in situations, it's purely logic and in some situations, purely intuitive?

438
00:26:20,178 --> 00:26:22,858
I feel like you need to use a combination of both in all situations.

439
00:26:23,638 --> 00:26:26,858
Because again, there's things where you can, there's a logical answer.

440
00:26:27,858 --> 00:26:32,238
And there's, but there's also like intuitive reasons to do or not to do things, right?

441
00:26:32,238 --> 00:26:34,738
Like, for example, you know, the name change.

442
00:26:35,018 --> 00:26:37,358
There's a lot of logical reasons why I should change the name.

443
00:26:37,518 --> 00:26:42,918
But like intuitively, I felt this resistance because I was like, first of all, I'm comfortable with Peruvian Bull.

444
00:26:43,258 --> 00:26:44,878
Everyone else is comfortable with Peruvian Bull.

445
00:26:45,078 --> 00:26:46,638
I've posted under for so many years.

446
00:26:46,778 --> 00:26:51,818
And all these people from Reddit and from Twitter know me as Peruvian Bull, right?

447
00:26:51,998 --> 00:26:56,418
But I also knew I'm like, I shouldn't be doing things.

448
00:26:56,758 --> 00:27:00,978
I had the intuition like I shouldn't be doing things based on comfort and based on familiarity.

449
00:27:01,518 --> 00:27:03,638
Like I can't, that's not my path in life

450
00:27:03,638 --> 00:27:05,818
is just be comfortable and be familiar with myself.

451
00:27:06,058 --> 00:27:07,738
I have to be pushing the boundaries

452
00:27:07,738 --> 00:27:10,878
because that's how I grew to a large Twitter account

453
00:27:10,878 --> 00:27:11,458
in the first place.

454
00:27:11,539 --> 00:27:13,138
That's how I grew on YouTube in the first place.

455
00:27:13,298 --> 00:27:14,198
And so I got a book published

456
00:27:14,198 --> 00:27:15,638
is because I was willing to do something

457
00:27:15,638 --> 00:27:17,458
that was out of the norm.

458
00:27:17,558 --> 00:27:18,378
And that means doing something

459
00:27:18,378 --> 00:27:19,738
that's not familiar to you, right?

460
00:27:19,938 --> 00:27:22,218
And so that's part of the adventure of life.

461
00:27:22,218 --> 00:27:25,458
And so I realized like I can't be complacent, I guess.

462
00:27:25,598 --> 00:27:27,058
And so my intuition told me

463
00:27:27,058 --> 00:27:28,478
that even though it was the uncomfortable move

464
00:27:28,478 --> 00:27:30,958
and my emotions didn't want to do that, I had to do it.

465
00:27:30,978 --> 00:27:44,098
And so with almost every situation, I use that where if I'm in a business meeting with somebody or if I'm on a podcast, I'm at the same time evaluating their logic, but I'm also trying to see if I can get an intuitive feel for who they are.

466
00:27:44,098 --> 00:27:51,098
And some people you can really like once your intuition gets good, which I've been working on getting better, like you can feel when people are authentic or inauthentic.

467
00:27:51,818 --> 00:27:57,158
You can feel when they just want to use you for your money or your clout or I'm sure you've had the same thing.

468
00:27:57,338 --> 00:28:01,078
People want to come on your podcast just because you have a podcast and because you have a platform.

469
00:28:01,318 --> 00:28:04,438
They now try to kiss up to you like all those things happen.

470
00:28:04,818 --> 00:28:04,938
Yeah.

471
00:28:04,938 --> 00:28:14,098
So my question there then is, do you have moments or situations where your logic and intuition tell you different things?

472
00:28:14,418 --> 00:28:18,318
And what happens when they tell you different things?

473
00:28:18,458 --> 00:28:21,278
Do you eventually go with logic or go with your gut?

474
00:28:21,478 --> 00:28:23,518
Wow, that's such a hard question.

475
00:28:23,798 --> 00:28:26,618
Man, Vivian, you're really giving me the sauce here.

476
00:28:27,478 --> 00:28:27,698
Yeah.

477
00:28:28,378 --> 00:28:32,258
Well, I would say so in most situations, they're pretty aligned.

478
00:28:32,578 --> 00:28:36,678
In most situations, like there's a logical reason and then there's also intuitive reason.

479
00:28:36,758 --> 00:28:38,918
And I can feel like this is the right thing to do.

480
00:28:38,918 --> 00:28:47,778
So like, OK, for example, like when I came up with my series, the macro series, the dollar end game, I was trying to when I was first writing this thing on Reddit, I was like, what do I name it?

481
00:28:47,838 --> 00:28:52,078
And I was thinking, you know, the macro cycle or the fourth turning.

482
00:28:52,178 --> 00:28:53,798
I'm like, no, that's someone else's already book.

483
00:28:53,938 --> 00:28:54,998
I'm like, hmm.

484
00:28:55,238 --> 00:28:57,598
I'm like, you know, the end game.

485
00:28:57,658 --> 00:29:02,138
I'm like, but that's just like Avengers because Avengers had recently come out and I was thinking about Avengers.

486
00:29:02,258 --> 00:29:04,358
And I really liked a lot of the quotes in that movie.

487
00:29:04,498 --> 00:29:07,878
And that movie, I think, is a very memeable movie, right?

488
00:29:07,938 --> 00:29:09,138
There's a lot of really great moments.

489
00:29:09,298 --> 00:29:10,698
And so I was thinking about it.

490
00:29:10,738 --> 00:29:12,998
I'm like, hmm, hmm, what can I say?

491
00:29:13,098 --> 00:29:17,758
And then the thought popped in my head, Dollar Endgame, because it's the endgame of the U.S. dollar.

492
00:29:17,838 --> 00:29:18,858
I'm like, that's the part.

493
00:29:18,898 --> 00:29:19,458
It's short.

494
00:29:19,578 --> 00:29:20,238
It's punchy.

495
00:29:20,378 --> 00:29:22,258
It's really engaging.

496
00:29:23,098 --> 00:29:25,358
Someone reads Dollar Endgame, they're like, oh, that's scary.

497
00:29:25,478 --> 00:29:26,078
That's interesting.

498
00:29:26,258 --> 00:29:27,018
I want to read it.

499
00:29:27,018 --> 00:29:33,198
And it was like the intuition and logic both made sense because that name for the book made the most sense.

500
00:29:34,198 --> 00:29:43,718
But there are times – I would say so like 85% of the time, 90% of the time, they both work together where intuitively and logically both are in coherence.

501
00:29:43,838 --> 00:29:45,118
They both want to move in the same direction.

502
00:29:45,378 --> 00:29:47,878
There are times when there's the opposite.

503
00:29:48,258 --> 00:29:50,278
There's intuition moving one way.

504
00:29:50,358 --> 00:29:51,398
There's logic moving the other way.

505
00:29:51,398 --> 00:30:01,398
And I've had that happen where I've had people reach out to me, for example, for business opportunities where they say, hey, look, I'm starting this, you know, starting an exchange and I would love your support.

506
00:30:01,598 --> 00:30:03,638
I would love to do a promotional deal with you.

507
00:30:04,178 --> 00:30:06,138
Here's all the business reasons why I'll make a lot of sense.

508
00:30:06,198 --> 00:30:07,038
It'll be a lot of money.

509
00:30:07,898 --> 00:30:10,978
And it's like, wow, that seems like a really good business idea.

510
00:30:11,578 --> 00:30:12,898
Logically, I could make a lot of money.

511
00:30:12,958 --> 00:30:19,098
I'd get connected with all these guys in Hong Kong who are professional equity traders and I'd be promoting their crypto exchange.

512
00:30:19,098 --> 00:30:23,998
but then intuitively I'm like exchanges have blown up so much exchanges have so many people

513
00:30:23,998 --> 00:30:28,418
have lost money and even though the risk is very low and they keep telling me about how they have

514
00:30:28,418 --> 00:30:32,438
regulators and how they've double checked the code and no one's going to get rug pulled it's

515
00:30:32,438 --> 00:30:38,298
not going to be an ftx right totally bro but my intuition's like that one percent chance that it

516
00:30:38,298 --> 00:30:43,838
could go wrong and I inadvertently fuck people over I don't want to screw anyone over it's

517
00:30:43,838 --> 00:30:48,198
especially with my like audience I don't want to make them invest in something and then have it go

518
00:30:48,198 --> 00:30:53,698
to zero and so i'm like i can't do it and so in those situations i usually actually trust my

519
00:30:53,698 --> 00:30:59,118
intuition or my logic a good answer at the right i would say is my answer you asked me

520
00:30:59,118 --> 00:31:03,878
then despite of the change it seems like a lot of like different stages in your life and

521
00:31:03,878 --> 00:31:10,378
you're embracing your new identity yeah in the bitcoin space do you have you noticed something

522
00:31:10,378 --> 00:31:16,438
that despite of the changes have stayed true and stayed core to you for who you are sure so

523
00:31:16,438 --> 00:31:22,738
So despite the changes, I'm still the same person doing macro research, financial research.

524
00:31:23,898 --> 00:31:26,378
You know, I'm still interested in Bitcoin.

525
00:31:26,538 --> 00:31:39,198
I'm still interested in sharing the message and really combining because, again, my goal is I want to combine the two aspects of aesthetic creative storytelling along with hardcore macro analysis.

526
00:31:39,518 --> 00:31:42,678
Because, again, the problem is there's not really anybody who bridges that gap.

527
00:31:42,678 --> 00:31:47,198
You have people like Lynn Alden, Luke Roman, who are very intelligent and very smart.

528
00:31:47,438 --> 00:31:49,518
The problem is a lot of people, they talk over their head.

529
00:31:49,678 --> 00:31:53,138
So a lot of people don't understand what those people are saying because it's so technical.

530
00:31:53,478 --> 00:31:56,918
And if you want to understand Lynn Alden, you have to read all these posts and you have to listen to all these podcasts.

531
00:31:57,138 --> 00:31:58,678
It's just like a lot of work.

532
00:31:58,978 --> 00:32:08,258
And then you have on the other end of the stream, you have people on YouTube who know literally nothing about finance or economics.

533
00:32:08,558 --> 00:32:10,418
And then they make videos about it.

534
00:32:10,418 --> 00:32:13,798
And when you watch the videos, you can clearly tell they don't know what they're talking about.

535
00:32:14,278 --> 00:32:24,158
You know, you have like someone like Jake Tran or someone who goes on and has like a really well edited, well put together, aesthetically beautiful video with a great fast edit and cool text.

536
00:32:24,378 --> 00:32:27,378
But then it's just like he doesn't even know what inflation is.

537
00:32:28,158 --> 00:32:29,338
Like he doesn't know the proper definition.

538
00:32:29,478 --> 00:32:33,178
I'm like, dude, how did you do this whole episode and not even research that?

539
00:32:33,178 --> 00:32:34,778
Wow, you're right.

540
00:32:34,778 --> 00:32:42,258
Because you just made me realize something is that for someone like Lynn Alden's content, very dense and very informative.

541
00:32:42,258 --> 00:32:53,998
And there's so much information and nuggets like literally on every page, but takes a lot of prerequisites and takes a lot of knowledge to and dedication and background information.

542
00:32:53,998 --> 00:33:00,458
I guess context to dab that line of thinking versus a random YouTube channel.

543
00:33:00,458 --> 00:33:03,918
if they make the video nice and easy,

544
00:33:04,278 --> 00:33:07,418
then it means they focused on a lot of their effort

545
00:33:07,418 --> 00:33:11,438
into making the video nice to look at

546
00:33:11,438 --> 00:33:13,518
for people's short attention span.

547
00:33:13,638 --> 00:33:16,638
Like they're dumbing down the actual content

548
00:33:16,638 --> 00:33:20,478
so that for people who get content fumbling out then,

549
00:33:20,538 --> 00:33:23,798
then they're getting more and more informed.

550
00:33:23,798 --> 00:33:27,878
And for people are getting just random bits on YouTube,

551
00:33:27,878 --> 00:33:34,298
maybe they get less and less informed because they're fed misinformation or information that

552
00:33:34,298 --> 00:33:39,018
are dumped out so much. I lost the nuances. It doesn't represent the truth anymore. So that's

553
00:33:39,018 --> 00:33:45,198
actually presents a huge risk. And I've sat at your talk before and I'm, I would say that I'm

554
00:33:45,198 --> 00:33:51,438
a zero technical person. Like I wouldn't be a technical person at all in Bitcoin. And I usually

555
00:33:51,438 --> 00:33:57,138
find that these technical conversations really unbearable, personally speaking. However, I really

556
00:33:57,138 --> 00:34:03,598
loved your session and I caught myself being engaged the entire time and then I was following

557
00:34:03,598 --> 00:34:11,278
through the ideas without getting lost in the actual macro analysis. So really well done over

558
00:34:11,278 --> 00:34:17,838
there. And the question here is that for you to come up with all of these great content and to

559
00:34:17,838 --> 00:34:23,698
bridge the gap between the general audience and then the nuances of the macro analysis,

560
00:34:23,698 --> 00:34:32,338
Just what is the, over the years, have you identified an ideal environment that you can best, that you can be at your optimal?

561
00:34:32,618 --> 00:34:37,019
Either that's your like physical environment or mental environment.

562
00:34:37,738 --> 00:34:39,898
What is that environment that you can really thrive?

563
00:34:39,898 --> 00:34:43,999
So you mean like an actual place or like online or both?

564
00:34:44,419 --> 00:34:51,898
Well, just environment in general, it could be physical environment, people around you or your mental space, like state of mind.

565
00:34:52,638 --> 00:34:52,878
In general?

566
00:34:53,238 --> 00:34:53,499
Sure.

567
00:34:53,698 --> 00:34:57,738
So I spent some time traveling right after I started doing this full time.

568
00:34:57,738 --> 00:35:03,479
And I went to Colombia and lived there for a few months or actually quite a few months, nine months.

569
00:35:03,638 --> 00:35:05,419
And then I went to visit El Salvador.

570
00:35:05,778 --> 00:35:08,479
And then I came back to Seattle in July of 2024.

571
00:35:08,838 --> 00:35:10,158
And, you know, I love traveling.

572
00:35:10,318 --> 00:35:11,218
I had a great experience.

573
00:35:11,338 --> 00:35:12,499
I met a lot of amazing people.

574
00:35:13,118 --> 00:35:17,378
And there's a lot of Bitcoiners actually in Colombia and a lot of entrepreneurs and people doing amazing things.

575
00:35:17,378 --> 00:35:27,598
The issue that I ran into, obviously, is that like the environment there and the environment in most of the countries doesn't really foster hard work, persistence, you know, these kinds of virtues that I want to foster.

576
00:35:27,878 --> 00:35:34,979
And living in the Pacific Northwest around my friends, around other business people and entrepreneurs, it's a much better environment.

577
00:35:35,178 --> 00:35:40,578
And so I found that living in Seattle is actually, you know, much less distracting than living in other cities.

578
00:35:40,578 --> 00:35:44,558
Because ironically, the upside and downside is that there's not much going on.

579
00:35:44,638 --> 00:35:45,479
There's not much to do.

580
00:35:45,479 --> 00:35:49,818
there's no really good bar scene. There's no really good clubs. There's no really good concerts.

581
00:35:50,158 --> 00:35:54,258
You know, there's some cool outdoor stuff to do. And I do do the outdoor stuff, but it's only nice

582
00:35:54,258 --> 00:35:57,718
to do for like three months out of the year. So you don't get distracted all the time. And the

583
00:35:57,718 --> 00:36:02,358
benefit of that is I can really focus on what I do. And so I found that living in Seattle is

584
00:36:02,358 --> 00:36:06,999
really the place where I can thrive. And I get also the best ideas just naturally living in

585
00:36:06,999 --> 00:36:11,479
Seattle and meeting up with other people who talk finance and macro in that area. But online,

586
00:36:11,479 --> 00:36:16,798
right it's twitter is really the big one but also i found that youtube is a great place to go as well

587
00:36:16,798 --> 00:36:21,419
because again what i was telling you earlier is there's this gap in the market right now which

588
00:36:21,419 --> 00:36:27,238
i've identified and not many people can fill it because the problem is people want it like

589
00:36:27,238 --> 00:36:33,939
intuitive smart aesthetically pleasing content about economics but there's no one that actually

590
00:36:33,939 --> 00:36:38,378
understands the macro who can make it and so i'm one of the few people that's in a position where

591
00:36:38,378 --> 00:36:41,538
I'm small enough that I can actually do it, right?

592
00:36:41,598 --> 00:36:42,939
Because Lynn Alden and Luke Roman,

593
00:36:43,398 --> 00:36:45,459
these people have multi-million dollar businesses

594
00:36:45,459 --> 00:36:47,838
doing financial, like they have a financial newsletter business

595
00:36:47,838 --> 00:36:49,979
or they have a fund or multiple funds

596
00:36:49,979 --> 00:36:52,098
and they're in their late 30s or 40s, right?

597
00:36:52,118 --> 00:36:53,818
They already have everything established.

598
00:36:53,919 --> 00:36:56,298
They've had multiple decades of work behind them.

599
00:36:56,378 --> 00:36:57,419
I don't, I'm young.

600
00:36:57,818 --> 00:36:59,479
So I don't, the upside and downside

601
00:36:59,479 --> 00:37:02,398
is that I'm in a unique spot to fill this gap in the market,

602
00:37:02,578 --> 00:37:04,038
is to do this cool storytelling,

603
00:37:04,278 --> 00:37:07,138
but also understanding the macro and being smart about it

604
00:37:07,138 --> 00:37:10,578
I'm not just having like ADIQ slop out there, you know?

605
00:37:10,758 --> 00:37:11,919
To die, to die?

606
00:37:12,939 --> 00:37:15,118
Yeah, I'm ready to go hard.

607
00:37:15,378 --> 00:37:18,479
And really the goal is for the YouTube to just blow up

608
00:37:18,479 --> 00:37:20,878
and really tell people the truth

609
00:37:20,878 --> 00:37:22,558
about what's happening with the macro economy.

610
00:37:22,858 --> 00:37:24,658
Like what's actually happening underneath the surface.

611
00:37:25,078 --> 00:37:26,618
And then Redfield people on Bitcoin,

612
00:37:26,818 --> 00:37:27,499
like tell people like,

613
00:37:27,578 --> 00:37:29,398
look, these are all the problems with this system.

614
00:37:29,778 --> 00:37:30,838
You need to be buying Bitcoin.

615
00:37:31,058 --> 00:37:34,078
You need to be investing in this asset.

616
00:37:34,078 --> 00:37:44,698
And I guess you're among the lucky ones that can be like choosing your environment and finding what works best for you and actually execute on that.

617
00:37:44,818 --> 00:37:51,878
For people who either don't know yet what their ideal environment would be either like because some people work best in solitude.

618
00:37:52,059 --> 00:37:55,678
Some people work best when they have a team of people, they can bounce off ideas.

619
00:37:55,939 --> 00:38:00,878
And some people want to have like more conversations.

620
00:38:01,118 --> 00:38:02,019
Some people want more action.

621
00:38:02,019 --> 00:38:21,559
So for those people who don't know or they can't really go to their ideal environment to be optimal, what would you just suggest them to stay focused and keep the clarity and focus?

622
00:38:22,318 --> 00:38:23,539
It's hard, right?

623
00:38:23,598 --> 00:38:26,158
And I had a difficult time focusing when I was living in Colombia.

624
00:38:26,358 --> 00:38:30,258
We lived in a couple of different cities, you know, Medellin and also Santa Marta.

625
00:38:30,258 --> 00:38:35,398
it's just it's you're putting roadblocks in your own way when you're living in an environment that's

626
00:38:35,398 --> 00:38:40,278
not conducive to what you want to do right and again it's all about goals like what bothers me

627
00:38:40,278 --> 00:38:45,118
won't bother you and what bothers other someone else won't bother you know a third person because

628
00:38:45,118 --> 00:38:49,238
those people all have different goals in life the guy who wants to be a surfer on the beach and just

629
00:38:49,238 --> 00:38:54,059
relax and chill I totally respect that life and if you want to go live on the beach and hang out

630
00:38:54,059 --> 00:38:59,499
and surf and just like forget about the world and all these problems all this craziness on twitter

631
00:38:59,898 --> 00:39:01,698
Totally go do that and be happy.

632
00:39:01,959 --> 00:39:03,019
I'm not happy doing that.

633
00:39:03,039 --> 00:39:03,658
I'm pretty ambitious.

634
00:39:03,878 --> 00:39:05,118
I want to learn more.

635
00:39:05,198 --> 00:39:05,878
I want to share more.

636
00:39:05,959 --> 00:39:07,358
And I want to publish this to the world.

637
00:39:07,979 --> 00:39:10,138
And so for me, I need that focus.

638
00:39:10,298 --> 00:39:19,078
And so for someone who's in an environment where they can't, you know, they have roadblocks to it, the best thing to do, I'd say, is to isolate yourself as much as possible, as bad as that sounds.

639
00:39:19,078 --> 00:39:24,718
Like you have to, if there's all these distractions around you, you know, let's say you're living in Vegas or you're living in L.A.

640
00:39:24,718 --> 00:39:28,979
And there's just mansion parties or there's yacht parties or there's surfing.

641
00:39:29,198 --> 00:39:36,539
And you could like instead of doing your work on whatever your startup is or your idea or your YouTube or your podcast, you could just be out surfing all day.

642
00:39:36,818 --> 00:39:38,559
Well, then you need to stay inside.

643
00:39:38,698 --> 00:39:39,539
You need to isolate yourself.

644
00:39:39,618 --> 00:39:42,098
And if you have people that are distracting you, you need to kind of stay away from them.

645
00:39:42,238 --> 00:39:42,738
And it's hard.

646
00:39:42,818 --> 00:39:47,598
It's a hard pill to swallow because these people can be nice people and you can actually like getting along with them.

647
00:39:47,598 --> 00:39:55,258
But one of the key parts in developing as a person is knowing when to deny yourself pleasure and knowing when to accept pain.

648
00:39:55,499 --> 00:39:57,479
And that's never easy, right?

649
00:39:57,618 --> 00:40:02,939
Because, like, I could – if I wanted to, I could go live in Latin America right now, and I could live like a king.

650
00:40:03,198 --> 00:40:05,758
I could have steaks every night, you know, have a girlfriend.

651
00:40:06,298 --> 00:40:07,118
That would be amazing.

652
00:40:07,439 --> 00:40:09,578
But it wouldn't – it would be distracting.

653
00:40:10,059 --> 00:40:11,059
I wouldn't – I could go surf.

654
00:40:11,118 --> 00:40:16,959
I could live in Peru, like, literally for infinity time, even with my current income, obviously, because it's so cheap there.

655
00:40:16,959 --> 00:40:18,218
I could go surfing every day.

656
00:40:18,378 --> 00:40:19,218
I could eat steak.

657
00:40:19,378 --> 00:40:23,238
I would be living like a king, but it's not, it won't be conducive to what I want to do.

658
00:40:23,278 --> 00:40:24,519
So I know it's not a good idea.

659
00:40:24,638 --> 00:40:26,118
I could go gamble in Vegas every day.

660
00:40:26,338 --> 00:40:27,019
Not a good idea.

661
00:40:27,338 --> 00:40:30,039
So I have to, I have to deny myself that temporary dopamine hit.

662
00:40:30,398 --> 00:40:32,019
And you know, it's the time preference thing.

663
00:40:32,358 --> 00:40:33,698
I want to be invested for the long run.

664
00:40:33,959 --> 00:40:38,039
Then if you have a low time preference and you want to invest in the long run, how do

665
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:41,318
you personally distinguish between signal and noise?

666
00:40:42,118 --> 00:40:42,818
That's hard.

667
00:40:43,838 --> 00:40:45,039
There's a lot of noise out there.

668
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:49,138
There's a lot of people saying a lot of crazy crap that just doesn't end up being true.

669
00:40:49,738 --> 00:40:51,758
But there's a couple of things to look for.

670
00:40:52,218 --> 00:41:00,098
When you're talking about like a content creator, like other creators that I follow or that I promote or that I'll do podcasts with, one thing I'll look for is integrity.

671
00:41:00,378 --> 00:41:02,378
So do they actually admit when they mess up?

672
00:41:02,439 --> 00:41:04,738
Do they actually say like, hey, I made a mistake?

673
00:41:05,078 --> 00:41:07,039
And also curiosity, right?

674
00:41:07,178 --> 00:41:12,318
Are they similar to me in the sense that they are constantly learning, growing, creating new theories, ideas?

675
00:41:12,318 --> 00:41:15,738
is oh look, here's this issue with this Japanese bank,

676
00:41:15,738 --> 00:41:17,499
let's write a financial report on them.

677
00:41:17,499 --> 00:41:20,398
I would trust that guy who actually does the work

678
00:41:20,398 --> 00:41:22,118
because that proof of work shows to me

679
00:41:22,118 --> 00:41:24,039
that they're actually invested.

680
00:41:24,039 --> 00:41:25,999
Because there are tons of people who will talk the talk.

681
00:41:25,999 --> 00:41:27,919
There's tons of people who will say,

682
00:41:27,919 --> 00:41:31,278
they'll sit there and claim that they know about macro

683
00:41:31,278 --> 00:41:34,378
or claim that they read and research this stuff or Bitcoin.

684
00:41:34,378 --> 00:41:49,877
And then you ask them oh nice what book have you read Oh I haven read any books Oh you listened to some podcasts No I don listen to podcasts And she like no so you don You have no integrity And so every piece of information almost every piece of information you get especially with this decentralized media world is coming from an individual

685
00:41:50,537 --> 00:41:56,097
So what's even – it's hard to parse apart with an individual statement is true at times.

686
00:41:56,277 --> 00:41:59,617
What's easier is to judge the character of the individual and to use that as a proxy.

687
00:42:00,037 --> 00:42:01,297
So I use that.

688
00:42:01,297 --> 00:42:11,297
So like if someone I really trust posts something, trust that they have done their research, that they know their stuff, and that I don't need to triple check because I tweet, you know, 100 times a day maybe.

689
00:42:11,577 --> 00:42:12,997
Sometimes retweets, all this stuff.

690
00:42:13,117 --> 00:42:15,057
Like I can't triple and quadruple check.

691
00:42:15,477 --> 00:42:17,317
If it's a big claim, though, I will check.

692
00:42:17,417 --> 00:42:27,197
So if it's just like a small thing like Jeff Booth said hi to me at the conference and I retweet it and then it's like someone says actually he didn't say hi to that guy at the conference, you dummy.

693
00:42:27,577 --> 00:42:29,997
It's like, okay, it's a small claim, dude.

694
00:42:29,997 --> 00:42:36,517
You know, I'm sorry it's wrong. But if it's something big like, you know, Israel just launched a war in Iran, I'm going to double check.

695
00:42:36,757 --> 00:42:40,457
You know, I'm not going to tweet something without actually seeing that it that is actually happening.

696
00:42:40,637 --> 00:42:44,637
So then I go online. I see all these videos. There's all this. There's all this like evidence research.

697
00:42:44,917 --> 00:42:50,177
OK, the Israeli Defense Force tweeted publicly that they're worried about nuclear bombs in Iran or whatever.

698
00:42:50,517 --> 00:42:53,657
OK, this is legit. So that's how you tell the truth from fiction.

699
00:42:53,837 --> 00:42:58,337
And the signal is really, you know, high quality truth is basically what it is.

700
00:42:58,337 --> 00:42:59,637
How about in your personal life?

701
00:42:59,717 --> 00:43:02,677
Because people, when it comes to your work, I guess,

702
00:43:03,137 --> 00:43:06,417
especially if you're in the line of like macro analysis and economy,

703
00:43:06,617 --> 00:43:09,597
and there's, it's a fact-based world, right?

704
00:43:09,617 --> 00:43:11,797
And then you have like evidence, you have theories,

705
00:43:11,797 --> 00:43:13,977
and it's almost like a science of its own.

706
00:43:14,397 --> 00:43:16,977
But in the real life, it's a lot more complicated

707
00:43:16,977 --> 00:43:20,877
when it comes to like personal relationships with our family and friends

708
00:43:20,877 --> 00:43:23,657
and people just in our lives in general.

709
00:43:23,657 --> 00:43:34,717
How do you tell people if what people are telling you, would you be considered as a signal from a personal development approach?

710
00:43:34,877 --> 00:43:42,637
Like when do you know to listen to someone to better yourself and when to not, to stick to your own message?

711
00:43:42,857 --> 00:43:43,997
That's hard. That's hard.

712
00:43:44,497 --> 00:43:52,777
Really, one of my key heuristics, rules of thumb is if this person has been in a similar situation, right?

713
00:43:52,777 --> 00:43:57,337
And if they have similar goals, because again, I meet people, I mean, okay, so I'll give you the

714
00:43:57,337 --> 00:44:01,077
example of when I was working at Carta, I used to work at this fintech company as an analyst.

715
00:44:01,197 --> 00:44:05,477
I was making really good money. I was getting equity, had healthcare, I have everything set up,

716
00:44:05,637 --> 00:44:10,977
right? And I have further offers after I was finishing there for three years to work at,

717
00:44:11,077 --> 00:44:16,537
you know, investment funds, asset managers for like $150,000 a year. And the people I talked to

718
00:44:16,537 --> 00:44:20,617
who are other employees, they all tell me, cause I'm like, I'm talking about this idea. I'm like,

719
00:44:20,617 --> 00:44:25,557
guys, my Twitter at the time was growing, 15, 20,000 followers. And I'm like, man,

720
00:44:25,597 --> 00:44:29,977
my Twitter is really growing. I'm really feeling passionate about this. I want to take this leap.

721
00:44:30,117 --> 00:44:35,477
And they're like, no, just play it safe. Be an employee. Be like us. Just get a W2.

722
00:44:36,077 --> 00:44:42,017
Live the normal life. And I'm like, no. I feel this internal conflict with that.

723
00:44:42,297 --> 00:44:45,217
But also I just look at them and I'm like, you're not living a life I want to live.

724
00:44:45,537 --> 00:44:49,117
And so since they're not doing the path and they haven't done what I want to do,

725
00:44:49,117 --> 00:44:53,017
I kind of started to discard their opinions. I started to lean on other people like my brother,

726
00:44:53,477 --> 00:44:58,357
Alberto. He has his own real estate company in Seattle. So he's an entrepreneur. And he told me,

727
00:44:58,437 --> 00:45:02,277
he's like, no, no, no. He's like, you do need to quit your job. He's like, there is no other time

728
00:45:02,277 --> 00:45:06,557
you're at the time I was 25. You have no other chance to do this. He's like, if you wait till

729
00:45:06,557 --> 00:45:10,057
you're 35 and you're married and you have kids, he's like, well, will you be able to quit your

730
00:45:10,057 --> 00:45:14,937
job and do a financing on Twitter? No way. So he's like, you have to do it now. And so,

731
00:45:14,937 --> 00:45:17,477
So, yeah, I judge it based on that.

732
00:45:17,557 --> 00:45:22,657
If the person has been through something similar, if the person has real life experience, that's really the key.

733
00:45:22,837 --> 00:45:24,797
Okay, that's a really good rule of thumb, for sure.

734
00:45:25,517 --> 00:45:35,937
Your work is deeply rooted into the macroeconomic and you're trying to bridge the gap to communicate these things to a more general public.

735
00:45:35,937 --> 00:45:44,317
For me, one of the motivations to start this podcast is to stick at it, is that the world right now is very depressing.

736
00:45:44,317 --> 00:45:59,897
And there's a lot of, you have war and you have just debt of people are struggling and as Bitcoiners and especially you have read through a lot of the nuances of what is actually like.

737
00:46:00,217 --> 00:46:09,037
How do you see the broken system or recurring human flaws deeply, but avoid cynicism at the same time?

738
00:46:09,037 --> 00:46:10,157
Yeah.

739
00:46:10,737 --> 00:46:15,857
That's so one of the things that actually was kind of also depressing, but also encouraging

740
00:46:15,857 --> 00:46:18,017
for me was as a kid was reading history.

741
00:46:18,497 --> 00:46:22,677
So when you when you're sitting in a current macro environment or current financial environment,

742
00:46:22,677 --> 00:46:27,537
you see all these wars, all this inflation, right, all this horrible things happening.

743
00:46:27,737 --> 00:46:29,837
You think the life is so bad.

744
00:46:29,877 --> 00:46:31,097
It's never been worse, right?

745
00:46:31,097 --> 00:46:34,277
We've never been through anything that's this horrific.

746
00:46:34,477 --> 00:46:37,717
And once you read history, you quickly find out that that's not the case, right?

747
00:46:37,717 --> 00:46:40,497
We've been through extremely hard environments.

748
00:46:40,617 --> 00:46:47,917
There's people that have been, you know, given the shorthand in life, you could say, to a much greater degree than we have even right now.

749
00:46:47,917 --> 00:46:53,737
So our complaints are valid, but relatively, it's not as bad as it has been.

750
00:46:53,957 --> 00:46:57,817
And, you know, one of the really eye-opening moments for me was when I was reading this book about the ghosts.

751
00:46:57,937 --> 00:47:03,117
It's called The Ghost of Cannae, and it's about the Roman legions that fought against Hannibal in the Second Punic War.

752
00:47:03,117 --> 00:47:10,557
and these so there's this massive battle in august in northern italy it's like 95 degrees they're all

753
00:47:10,557 --> 00:47:15,617
wearing you know 50 pounds of metal and the romans get absolutely obliterated they get surrounded

754
00:47:15,617 --> 00:47:21,577
all these young men get killed there's like blood all over the ground and about like 10 000 of this

755
00:47:21,577 --> 00:47:26,897
like 80 000 force escapes through this little hole in the enemy lines so they escape they go back to

756
00:47:26,897 --> 00:47:31,997
and they tell the romes we got surrounded we got destroyed hannibal knew our location before we got

757
00:47:31,997 --> 00:47:37,697
there. He had superior tactics. You know, the Carthaginians won. And the Senate is so mad at

758
00:47:37,697 --> 00:47:41,997
these veterans who just, again, these are 20-year-old men, 20-year-old boys or 18-year-old

759
00:47:41,997 --> 00:47:47,017
boys who just saw all their friends die. They're so mad that they banish all of them, strip them

760
00:47:47,017 --> 00:47:50,777
of their soldiery. They strip them of their citizenship, and they put them on an island

761
00:47:50,777 --> 00:47:57,077
in a work camp. For like 15 to 20 years, these guys are on the island. And so they just saw all

762
00:47:57,077 --> 00:48:01,917
their friends die. They have to leave their wife or their kids or their friends or whoever else

763
00:48:01,917 --> 00:48:04,457
is at home in Rome and they have to go live on Sicily.

764
00:48:04,877 --> 00:48:06,737
And so when I read that book, I was like,

765
00:48:07,057 --> 00:48:09,537
hmm, like, do I really have a lot to complain about?

766
00:48:09,637 --> 00:48:11,077
I didn't just see all my friends die

767
00:48:11,077 --> 00:48:13,057
and then have to go work in a work camp for 20 years

768
00:48:13,057 --> 00:48:13,817
on an island.

769
00:48:14,017 --> 00:48:14,937
That's not that bad.

770
00:48:15,057 --> 00:48:17,317
So the way I stop from blackpilling is

771
00:48:17,317 --> 00:48:20,097
those people have been through such difficult situations

772
00:48:20,097 --> 00:48:21,897
and they were able to come out on the other side.

773
00:48:21,977 --> 00:48:24,137
The resilience of the human spirit is almost unlimited.

774
00:48:24,837 --> 00:48:26,757
And what we're going through right now

775
00:48:26,757 --> 00:48:29,777
is just merely like an echo of what's happened before.

776
00:48:30,117 --> 00:48:31,797
So humans are extremely resilient.

777
00:48:31,917 --> 00:48:35,637
And even if there is like, and Bitcoin, for example, is a great example, like a white pill.

778
00:48:35,977 --> 00:48:37,197
You can get blackpilled on macro.

779
00:48:37,377 --> 00:48:41,137
You can get blackpilled on our current debt levels and inflation and war and all these

780
00:48:41,137 --> 00:48:42,917
horrible things happening, which is valid.

781
00:48:43,017 --> 00:48:43,977
It's really depressing.

782
00:48:44,077 --> 00:48:44,717
It's really sad.

783
00:48:45,217 --> 00:48:46,917
But Bitcoin offers the way out.

784
00:48:47,137 --> 00:48:48,117
Bitcoin offers a solution.

785
00:48:48,557 --> 00:48:52,737
And even in an environment where we have like, let's say there's a hyperinflation in the

786
00:48:52,737 --> 00:48:57,657
US or Canada or across the world, or there's a monetary collapse or economic collapse,

787
00:48:57,777 --> 00:48:58,777
you can switch to Bitcoin.

788
00:48:58,957 --> 00:48:59,717
You can switch to lightning.

789
00:48:59,937 --> 00:49:01,337
These services are being generated.

790
00:49:01,337 --> 00:49:11,837
They're being created. And to think that humans won't find a way to survive after we've survived ice ages, wars, cataclysms, pandemics, we'll find a way. There's always a way. And so.

791
00:49:11,837 --> 00:49:17,897
love your love your optimism in this and you're you're totally right like history will give people

792
00:49:17,897 --> 00:49:23,157
so much perspective i follow this channel on youtube and it's basically like a storytelling

793
00:49:23,157 --> 00:49:30,797
youtube and and mimicking the life of of history so so it will walk through you like this is the

794
00:49:30,797 --> 00:49:36,097
life that you will live as a nun in 14th century in italy like they would go through these like

795
00:49:36,097 --> 00:49:42,237
glancy sun experiment and really show you how their day look like the other day i watched a

796
00:49:42,237 --> 00:49:49,437
video of like surviving medieval winter and then it's like you're just a random person and no money

797
00:49:49,437 --> 00:49:54,897
like just a citizen random place in europe and this is medieval and you don't have this is how

798
00:49:54,897 --> 00:50:01,577
much money you have and this is the lifestyle you could afford in that time and it's shit like you

799
00:50:01,577 --> 00:50:03,577
You know, like it's really bad.

800
00:50:03,897 --> 00:50:09,597
You barely have walls and there's no, you barely have a roof.

801
00:50:09,897 --> 00:50:14,977
And it's like made of plants.

802
00:50:15,237 --> 00:50:18,237
And if it starts to rain, then your whole place starts to soak.

803
00:50:18,457 --> 00:50:23,677
And it's like, we don't even talk about, here we're not even talking about pandemic.

804
00:50:23,677 --> 00:50:25,317
We're not talking about war.

805
00:50:25,477 --> 00:50:28,997
We're talking about nature, just winter that you see every year.

806
00:50:29,117 --> 00:50:30,077
And it's a lot.

807
00:50:30,597 --> 00:50:31,537
So you're right.

808
00:50:31,577 --> 00:50:34,857
Like we're as postmodern individuals, I guess.

809
00:50:34,857 --> 00:50:43,397
And the modern science have provided so much convenience and so much remedies, I guess, to help us.

810
00:50:43,677 --> 00:50:54,897
And it is going to be a new perspective knowing how people in history have survived or may or may not survive and put us in that shoes.

811
00:50:55,177 --> 00:51:00,937
And then there's another thought is that now we see a lot of cynicism, sometimes in Bitcoin as well.

812
00:51:00,937 --> 00:51:06,517
And people are like, and we see Ardicus and we see people that blame everything of fiat.

813
00:51:06,737 --> 00:51:08,637
Say that Bitcoin fixes everything.

814
00:51:08,797 --> 00:51:10,577
And I don't think that's necessarily true.

815
00:51:10,857 --> 00:51:11,677
I think it's wrong.

816
00:51:11,837 --> 00:51:12,577
I think it's wrong.

817
00:51:12,897 --> 00:51:13,877
That's a bold statement.

818
00:51:14,017 --> 00:51:14,937
I think it's wrong.

819
00:51:15,037 --> 00:51:19,397
For the reason that I get into conversations with Bitcoiners sometimes and they were like,

820
00:51:19,837 --> 00:51:26,977
Bitcoin will fix this and war is this and this policy, this government and this is all bad for us.

821
00:51:26,977 --> 00:51:32,537
And if these are fixed, then we as individuals can, the life we're living can be this or that.

822
00:51:32,857 --> 00:51:33,237
Yes.

823
00:51:33,377 --> 00:51:39,557
However, what role are you playing in your own life to live the best life for yourself?

824
00:51:39,877 --> 00:51:40,097
Right?

825
00:51:40,257 --> 00:51:43,837
Because it's not just, the life is not just about money.

826
00:51:43,997 --> 00:51:49,357
You have to have your own relationship with food, have your relationship with your family,

827
00:51:49,537 --> 00:51:54,497
with your spouse, with your kids, and with every single aspect of your life.

828
00:51:54,497 --> 00:52:00,797
either you have other people involved or not and your relationship with bitcoin and with money is

829
00:52:00,797 --> 00:52:08,997
just one piece of that puzzle and to get into the bitcoin standard it's the the starting it's it's

830
00:52:08,997 --> 00:52:16,457
the first piece of the entire puzzle and sometimes i see bitcoiners mistaken that first piece of the

831
00:52:16,457 --> 00:52:23,137
puzzle as the entire the whole thing right i hope i'm wrong in this and i hope bitcoiners in the in

832
00:52:23,137 --> 00:52:30,077
the progression of adapting bitcoin will naturally fix or naturally optimize a relationship in their

833
00:52:30,077 --> 00:52:36,297
lives either that's with people or lifestyle in general but i i do feel like there will be quite

834
00:52:36,297 --> 00:52:41,197
some bitcoiners that will struggle and especially when they're financially free because now they're

835
00:52:41,197 --> 00:52:46,737
like okay i don't have to worry about any i have to worry about money anymore and now what and that's

836
00:52:46,737 --> 00:52:53,437
when the real puzzle is gonna start to display itself so i'm interested in learning how people

837
00:52:53,437 --> 00:52:59,177
can navigate and i'm hoping and i'm hoping that life with bitcoin will be the lifesaver when

838
00:52:59,177 --> 00:53:03,617
bitcoiners are there so i'm making timeless content because it's live stories we don't talk

839
00:53:03,617 --> 00:53:10,677
about news and um it's it's genuine live stories you you can learn from other bitcoiners basically

840
00:53:10,677 --> 00:53:16,417
what you were just saying they've done it so now you can learn from yeah yeah it's it's one of

841
00:53:16,417 --> 00:53:22,477
those things where there's the Bitcoin idealists and then there's the Bitcoin realists. And,

842
00:53:22,477 --> 00:53:26,817
you know, I love Safedine, but I was reading his book back in 2021. I remember seeing

843
00:53:26,817 --> 00:53:32,937
this one part where he talked about how we wouldn't have a bad boss under Bitcoin. He's like,

844
00:53:33,337 --> 00:53:40,137
bad bosses who hire people that are not fit for the role or who are mean to you or whatever. He's

845
00:53:40,137 --> 00:53:43,457
like, because we're going to be operating under a better monetary system and a better financial

846
00:53:43,457 --> 00:53:48,037
system and a better capital and allocate, you know, capital allocation and economic

847
00:53:48,037 --> 00:53:52,357
system, there's going to be more incentives to not hire bad people.

848
00:53:52,757 --> 00:53:57,017
But his statement of there's going to be no bad bosses, I just read that and I just laughed

849
00:53:57,017 --> 00:53:58,957
out loud because I was like, are you kidding me?

850
00:53:58,997 --> 00:54:01,157
There's no bad bosses, really?

851
00:54:01,537 --> 00:54:03,737
People aren't going to be rude to each other under a Bitcoin standard.

852
00:54:03,837 --> 00:54:05,097
There's not going to be jerks.

853
00:54:05,237 --> 00:54:06,257
Like, are you kidding me?

854
00:54:06,297 --> 00:54:07,537
Of course there's going to be jerks.

855
00:54:07,537 --> 00:54:09,757
There's going to be gambling under a Bitcoin standard.

856
00:54:09,917 --> 00:54:11,817
There's going to be drug addicts under a Bitcoin standard.

857
00:54:12,277 --> 00:54:16,457
There's going to be people doing all sorts of, there probably will still be wars, just

858
00:54:16,457 --> 00:54:17,537
a lot less.

859
00:54:17,897 --> 00:54:21,337
But the people who really don't like each other, who want to wage war, they're going

860
00:54:21,337 --> 00:54:22,877
to find a way to wage it, right?

861
00:54:22,917 --> 00:54:23,917
They're going to find a way to do it.

862
00:54:23,917 --> 00:54:29,857
So this like hyper-idealistic worldview where all the world's problems are solved, which

863
00:54:29,857 --> 00:54:32,477
a lot of these problems are internal emotional problems, right?

864
00:54:32,537 --> 00:54:38,777
These are people who have anger or hate or fear or whatever issue, or they're using like,

865
00:54:38,957 --> 00:54:41,597
you know, let's say alcohol as a crutch for their...

866
00:54:41,817 --> 00:54:47,257
emotional issues. That won't be solved by Bitcoin. That'll be solved by other things that they can do,

867
00:54:47,377 --> 00:54:53,397
other methods, right? Some therapy, some psychedelic, something. But Bitcoin itself,

868
00:54:53,497 --> 00:54:58,377
the money itself won't fix it. And what you said earlier was exactly right. Fixing the money is

869
00:54:58,377 --> 00:55:03,737
just one piece of the puzzle. It won't fix people fundamentally. And it'll actually, in many ways,

870
00:55:03,737 --> 00:55:10,837
getting wealthy will amplify people's traits. So I've met Bitcoiners who are, they get rich,

871
00:55:10,837 --> 00:55:22,297
They got lucky. They bought Bitcoin in 2011 and now they're like multimillionaires. And then they're just rude to you and they're kind of entitled because they didn't actually – they got – like in some sense, yes, they did the work and they did the investment great.

872
00:55:22,477 --> 00:55:30,257
But they also did get lucky, right? Because if you think about it, like if you're born in 2000, you were way too young to understand Bitcoin in 2011.

873
00:55:30,257 --> 00:55:38,817
If you were born in 1990 or 1980, especially 1980s to maybe early 90s, you were old enough to really start to get Bitcoin.

874
00:55:38,977 --> 00:55:39,937
You were right at the right age.

875
00:55:40,197 --> 00:55:42,857
So it just was based on when you were born, which you have no control over.

876
00:55:43,477 --> 00:55:50,257
And so you did get lucky in that sense because I own more Bitcoin than I have an intern, Alex.

877
00:55:50,377 --> 00:55:51,337
I have more Bitcoin than him.

878
00:55:51,577 --> 00:55:51,857
Why?

879
00:55:52,157 --> 00:55:54,577
Because I was born five years, six years earlier.

880
00:55:54,997 --> 00:55:56,237
So I was older.

881
00:55:56,317 --> 00:55:57,117
I was already in the workforce.

882
00:55:57,117 --> 00:56:00,757
So I was already making 80K a year when he was still in high school.

883
00:56:01,237 --> 00:56:06,197
So it's just these things are natural to human societies.

884
00:56:06,497 --> 00:56:15,497
And so, yeah, inequality like drinking, alcoholism, drug addictions, like, you know, abusive bosses, that will still happen.

885
00:56:15,677 --> 00:56:17,897
I mean, you can argue that it'll be less, but it'll still happen.

886
00:56:18,297 --> 00:56:25,337
It's a little bit of a wishful thinking to hope that one thing or one person will solve all of your life's problems.

887
00:56:25,337 --> 00:56:32,037
even even bitcoin is true and especially i guess especially bitcoin that's also true and now that

888
00:56:32,037 --> 00:56:39,257
you've gone through this whole journey in the past i guess even 10 years of being out and about and

889
00:56:39,257 --> 00:56:46,717
experiencing life now that you're stepping into fully uh yourself and being public with who you

890
00:56:46,717 --> 00:56:53,957
are in real life what are you aiming to build both internally and externally right now so what i'm

891
00:56:53,957 --> 00:56:59,697
to build in terms of content creation or personally or both? Both. So I'd say professionally, again,

892
00:56:59,757 --> 00:57:04,357
I see this gap where there's a lot of good storytellers and there's a lot of good macro

893
00:57:04,357 --> 00:57:09,077
analysts, but there's nobody who does both. There's nobody who can aesthetically have a video or a

894
00:57:09,077 --> 00:57:15,397
sub stack piece that will tell the story for what I would call like a finance tourist or an economics

895
00:57:15,397 --> 00:57:20,577
tourist, right? Somebody who's like interested. So you're like my target audience, right? You're

896
00:57:20,577 --> 00:57:26,197
somebody who's really smart, who's really educated, but like you don't have the desire to read 30

897
00:57:26,197 --> 00:57:32,317
finance books, which good, most people shouldn't. Like, trust me, most of them are boring as hell

898
00:57:32,317 --> 00:57:38,517
and you don't want to read them. So those kinds of people just need the core concise message in

899
00:57:38,517 --> 00:57:45,797
20 minutes. Why is Japan having a currency crisis? Or why is the banking system straining? Or why is

900
00:57:45,797 --> 00:57:49,657
the Fed cutting rates? I would just want to know. Give me a 15, 20 minute overview, 30 minute

901
00:57:49,657 --> 00:57:54,797
overview. I want some depth. I want some intelligent takes on it, but I also want it to be quick and

902
00:57:54,797 --> 00:57:58,197
concise. And so that's what I want to do professionally. I want to fill that gap and I

903
00:57:58,197 --> 00:58:02,777
want the YouTube, the Substack, the Twitter, all that to be geared around that. Personally, I'm

904
00:58:02,777 --> 00:58:08,417
looking to obviously grow the business and be able to hire people and continue to do what I do.

905
00:58:08,997 --> 00:58:13,837
I've been looking to a lot of alternative health practices like biohacking because I have

906
00:58:13,837 --> 00:58:18,997
some personal health problems with my gut, with my stomach specifically, and all the doctors and

907
00:58:18,997 --> 00:58:23,097
all the traditional medicine hasn't really worked. It doesn't really do anything. Taking

908
00:58:23,097 --> 00:58:28,417
antacids doesn't work. Taking all this, you know, PPIs and all these other like, you know,

909
00:58:28,737 --> 00:58:34,037
constant medicines that you can do to eliminate acid in your gut or stomach doesn't solve the

910
00:58:34,037 --> 00:58:37,397
fundamental problem. And so I started looking into alternative methods. So I got posted about

911
00:58:37,397 --> 00:58:42,877
on Twitter. I started doing red light therapy. I started doing stretching and like sauna or

912
00:58:42,877 --> 00:58:47,517
something like that before bed, ice baths, like those kinds of things. And that's been really fun

913
00:58:47,517 --> 00:58:51,877
and interesting to do because that's a whole nother rabbit hole for sure i've been uh i think

914
00:58:51,877 --> 00:58:56,377
it's been almost two months i've been doing tai chi every morning really that's cool um every

915
00:58:56,377 --> 00:59:01,557
morning for like a month and a half now if i have like 12 minutes to spare in the morning and

916
00:59:01,557 --> 00:59:07,377
sometimes i don't like maybe six out of seven days i can do that and it's been really nice

917
00:59:07,377 --> 00:59:13,617
like right now i can i only need less than six hours of sleep i would wake up naturally after

918
00:59:13,617 --> 00:59:20,837
six hours of sleep regardless of how what time i go to really yes and you wake up breasted yes

919
00:59:20,837 --> 00:59:34,277
wow so i went to bed like 11 30 11 10 30 yesterday and then i woke up at 3 11 wow and i was like

920
00:59:34,277 --> 00:59:41,157
not tired and i was like no i'm not getting up at 3 a.m so i like just went back tried to go back

921
00:59:41,157 --> 00:59:45,257
to sleep but it was not like you're sleeping it's like you just have your eyes closed and you're

922
00:59:45,257 --> 00:59:51,737
resting and then time would still go fairly fast but i still get up like six right so it's it's a

923
00:59:51,737 --> 00:59:58,657
interesting rabbit hole to go on to observe how like if you adapt certain supplements adapt

924
00:59:58,657 --> 01:00:04,597
certain lifestyle certain diet and if you kind of stick to it for a while it's interesting to see

925
01:00:04,597 --> 01:00:10,397
how it your body reacts to it it's funny because i've always been a chubby kid growing up really

926
01:00:10,397 --> 01:00:12,397
Yes, I've always been a chubby kid.

927
01:00:12,857 --> 01:00:16,937
So this is why like a lot of people find this like cheeky side of me.

928
01:00:17,017 --> 01:00:18,657
That's from like being a chubby kid.

929
01:00:18,777 --> 01:00:21,557
You kind of have to be a little bit cheeky if you're like chubby.

930
01:00:21,837 --> 01:00:22,457
It's funny.

931
01:00:22,617 --> 01:00:23,857
You got to develop a sense of humor.

932
01:00:24,157 --> 01:00:24,717
Yeah, yeah.

933
01:00:24,777 --> 01:00:26,277
You kind of have to play that role.

934
01:00:26,377 --> 01:00:27,937
Especially I lived in China growing up.

935
01:00:28,417 --> 01:00:34,317
And even today, like I go home and I still sometimes wear extra large.

936
01:00:34,537 --> 01:00:36,097
Like me wearing extra large in China.

937
01:00:36,257 --> 01:00:39,277
So there's like sizing is like very, very different.

938
01:00:39,277 --> 01:00:45,637
So I grew up as this chubby kid and this past year I've lost a bunch of weight and it's a new thing.

939
01:00:45,757 --> 01:00:55,577
Like coming out of the new diet and coming out of me paying more attention, taking care of myself, aligning with like the mind, body and heart and try to prioritize peace.

940
01:00:55,757 --> 01:01:05,417
So there's this whole journey that started from Bitcoin perhaps like with me living the life with Bitcoin, but has nothing to do with Bitcoin really.

941
01:01:05,417 --> 01:01:16,497
And that has made really big impact on the quality of my life and my productivity level and the type of work that I could be doing in Bitcoin space.

942
01:01:16,657 --> 01:01:18,337
And so it's been really nice.

943
01:01:18,337 --> 01:01:25,837
And I'm glad that you're on the same rabbit hole of better ourselves in the physical sense to optimize our performance.

944
01:01:26,177 --> 01:01:26,457
Absolutely.

945
01:01:26,677 --> 01:01:27,457
What diet?

946
01:01:27,617 --> 01:01:29,637
I'm curious because I did carnivore.

947
01:01:30,017 --> 01:01:31,837
I started going to carnivore in September 2023.

948
01:01:32,117 --> 01:01:33,017
I've been doing it ever since.

949
01:01:33,257 --> 01:01:34,897
What diet did you do to lose all that weight?

950
01:01:34,897 --> 01:01:42,017
I tried carnivore for like a month when it started gaining traction among the big queen community.

951
01:01:42,257 --> 01:01:43,637
It was during COVID in 2020.

952
01:01:43,877 --> 01:01:49,817
I briefly tried keto for months when I first got interested into any sort of diet.

953
01:01:50,137 --> 01:01:55,497
But it was really painful to drink liquid fat like every day.

954
01:01:55,697 --> 01:01:56,797
Drinking liquid fat?

955
01:01:56,957 --> 01:02:01,257
Yeah, you would make like bulletproof coffee and MCT oil.

956
01:02:01,257 --> 01:02:03,857
And it was all like you put coconut oil in your coffee.

957
01:02:03,997 --> 01:02:04,777
It's really gross.

958
01:02:04,897 --> 01:02:05,837
It was really gross.

959
01:02:06,337 --> 01:02:07,917
I didn't like it, so I dropped it.

960
01:02:08,017 --> 01:02:12,057
I briefly tried carnivore, but it was too dense.

961
01:02:12,617 --> 01:02:15,177
And as a girl, you're supposed to eat some carbs.

962
01:02:15,357 --> 01:02:18,277
Otherwise, your body starts to react differently.

963
01:02:18,477 --> 01:02:19,577
Like for guys, it's different.

964
01:02:19,817 --> 01:02:36,515
So I guess my way is just I try to do intimate fasting every day So back then I would only eat two meals a day I skinned breakfast and then my first meal would be like two and then dinner And then that was it And now I

965
01:02:36,975 --> 01:02:44,255
sometimes I eat once a day, once, one big meal and a snack. Like right now, one big meal and a snack.

966
01:02:44,295 --> 01:02:49,795
And then I don't eat until later in the day. Because once I eat, I start to get drowsy.

967
01:02:49,795 --> 01:02:53,315
I lose the focus and I'm very focused in the morning.

968
01:02:53,535 --> 01:02:54,935
So I'm like work, work, work.

969
01:02:55,035 --> 01:02:57,175
And when I'm like almost done, then I can eat.

970
01:02:57,255 --> 01:03:02,135
Because after that, I'll be like, oh, but still working, but just way less, way less

971
01:03:02,135 --> 01:03:02,535
focus.

972
01:03:03,035 --> 01:03:03,475
Yeah.

973
01:03:03,675 --> 01:03:08,155
Well, that's the thing with, you know, our metabolism is that we're actually designed

974
01:03:08,155 --> 01:03:12,075
for work when you're not eating and then you're designed for rest after you eat.

975
01:03:12,075 --> 01:03:14,555
Because again, you think about evolutionarily, right?

976
01:03:14,555 --> 01:03:21,075
like let's say you're living in 10,000 BC and you're just you know you're you're on a hunt

977
01:03:21,075 --> 01:03:25,095
right you're with all these people you see a deer and you chase the deer and the deer is running

978
01:03:25,095 --> 01:03:28,995
over a ridge and you have to run and find out where it is and find out how to trap it and you

979
01:03:28,995 --> 01:03:33,035
finally trap it in a little canyon and then you have a bone error and you kill the deer and then

980
01:03:33,035 --> 01:03:37,615
once you kill the deer and you make a fire and you gut it and you start to eat it now it's time

981
01:03:37,615 --> 01:03:43,455
to rest and relax and to recover from this eight hour hunt you just did so it's natural that like

982
01:03:43,455 --> 01:03:47,835
you're more productive when you're hungry and you're not eating. And then it's natural that

983
01:03:47,835 --> 01:03:53,435
once you eat, you become drowsy and tired. Regular exercise is a big thing, I guess. And then

984
01:03:53,435 --> 01:03:59,595
sleep, going to bed, like being a morning person is a game changer, I would say. Because I wasn't

985
01:03:59,595 --> 01:04:05,255
used to be a morning person. I've never been a morning person ever. And then my current job,

986
01:04:05,315 --> 01:04:10,375
because I'm in West Coast and everybody's in the East Coast. So I have to, so my meeting would start

987
01:04:10,375 --> 01:04:16,955
early and now I coordinate with Asia so it's like at least if I get up earlier they don't have to

988
01:04:16,955 --> 01:04:22,555
get back to me after the midnight so it's so this job has made me a morning person which I'm like

989
01:04:22,555 --> 01:04:30,795
super appreciative because this played a big role of allowing your body to reset at proper time and

990
01:04:30,795 --> 01:04:36,535
all the toxins to go out when you're sleeping because your organs like they work in different

991
01:04:36,535 --> 01:04:42,735
times and then you're supposed to like be in bed and asleep at midnight for this organ

992
01:04:42,735 --> 01:04:43,575
to work properly.

993
01:04:43,715 --> 01:04:46,875
I think that served a role in this whole like weight loss thing.

994
01:04:47,175 --> 01:04:50,495
It's not like I was trying to lose weight actively.

995
01:04:50,815 --> 01:04:54,475
I was just trying to be more intentional with myself.

996
01:04:54,715 --> 01:04:54,935
Yeah.

997
01:04:55,295 --> 01:04:55,555
Yeah.

998
01:04:55,875 --> 01:04:56,315
It works.

999
01:04:56,415 --> 01:04:56,715
Exactly.

1000
01:04:57,035 --> 01:05:00,895
Your body is like a machine and if you're throwing it out of sync, if you're throwing

1001
01:05:00,895 --> 01:05:04,335
it out of coherence with what it's naturally supposed to do, like going to sleep at a certain

1002
01:05:04,335 --> 01:05:06,395
time, you get all out of whack.

1003
01:05:06,395 --> 01:05:15,695
So you get either hunger spikes or hunger crashes where you just don't feel hungry at all, or you get extremely hungry, like very common for people, and then they gain more weight.

1004
01:05:15,895 --> 01:05:19,135
So like sleep deprivation is paired with weight gain in most cases.

1005
01:05:19,535 --> 01:05:19,715
Totally.

1006
01:05:19,975 --> 01:05:27,015
Well, now that you're on this journey of perfecting your work and perfecting yourself, obviously it's a never-ending journey.

1007
01:05:27,655 --> 01:05:31,595
And as Bitcoiners, we all, I guess, to a certain degree, care about legacy.

1008
01:05:32,075 --> 01:05:35,335
When you think about legacy, does it feel important to you?

1009
01:05:35,335 --> 01:05:40,555
Or you're more focused on presence and the process that's being built right now?

1010
01:05:41,095 --> 01:05:42,055
That's a hard question.

1011
01:05:42,275 --> 01:05:47,055
I think, you know, the North Star, the guiding principle is obviously like what kind of legacy?

1012
01:05:47,195 --> 01:05:49,135
What kind of mark do I want to leave behind?

1013
01:05:49,295 --> 01:05:51,395
What do I want to show the world that I did?

1014
01:05:51,755 --> 01:05:51,915
Right.

1015
01:05:51,975 --> 01:05:52,995
What's my accomplishment?

1016
01:05:53,375 --> 01:06:01,115
That's like the long term, like, you know, I have a telescope and I'm looking at, you know, 50 miles down the road and I'm trying to see like where I want to go eventually.

1017
01:06:01,455 --> 01:06:03,775
But the day-to-day, you have to be focused on the process.

1018
01:06:04,215 --> 01:06:09,695
Like people will say like, oh, if you have a guiding principle, if you have a purpose, it will illuminate you every day.

1019
01:06:09,995 --> 01:06:13,675
The problem is you won't feel motivated by that purpose every day to the same level, right?

1020
01:06:14,175 --> 01:06:15,235
Motivation is fleeting.

1021
01:06:15,635 --> 01:06:16,035
Exactly.

1022
01:06:16,395 --> 01:06:23,195
So like if I only wrote when I felt motivated, then I would write once every two months and then that'd be it.

1023
01:06:23,435 --> 01:06:25,075
But it's about the daily habits.

1024
01:06:25,075 --> 01:06:25,695
It's the process.

1025
01:06:25,835 --> 01:06:31,055
It's realizing that we're all part of this game of life and this is everything we're doing is a journey.

1026
01:06:31,115 --> 01:06:36,715
you know so you want to start let's say you want to start your own podcast you want to start your

1027
01:06:36,715 --> 01:06:41,235
own business or you want to you know start your own art collection and paint for people you know

1028
01:06:41,235 --> 01:06:45,755
senior paintings in here they're they're absolutely gorgeous the first painting the first showing you

1029
01:06:45,755 --> 01:06:49,555
do might not have that many people and then you have to do another showing right and you have to

1030
01:06:49,555 --> 01:06:55,475
continue like what i what i found is like the first year i posted on twitter i got no views

1031
01:06:55,475 --> 01:07:01,695
no engagement nobody cared I posted for a whole year every single day basically and by the end of

1032
01:07:01,695 --> 01:07:06,255
the year I had like a few thousand followers that was it and it took me the whole year to go from

1033
01:07:06,255 --> 01:07:10,235
like 50 to like 2000 and I was really disheartened but I was like you know what I'm passionate about

1034
01:07:10,235 --> 01:07:14,875
this I still had a job obviously I'm like I'm just going to keep working on it and then really like

1035
01:07:14,875 --> 01:07:19,535
the end of starting to towards the end of 2022 and then into 2023 is when things started to

1036
01:07:19,535 --> 01:07:25,215
finally take off for me I started to gain 5,000 10,000 20,000 subs and then followers and then

1037
01:07:25,215 --> 01:07:26,215
that starts to blow up.

1038
01:07:26,315 --> 01:07:27,975
But it's really the process.

1039
01:07:28,195 --> 01:07:29,575
Like you have to fall in love with the journey.

1040
01:07:29,895 --> 01:07:31,535
We're here for the experience of life.

1041
01:07:31,655 --> 01:07:32,615
None of us are gonna take,

1042
01:07:32,795 --> 01:07:34,655
you know, I'm not taking any of this with me, right?

1043
01:07:35,175 --> 01:07:36,715
I'm gonna die at some point.

1044
01:07:37,235 --> 01:07:39,755
And all my followers, all the haters who don't like me

1045
01:07:39,755 --> 01:07:41,035
and think I'm stupid are gonna die.

1046
01:07:41,155 --> 01:07:43,635
And all the people who like what I put are gonna die.

1047
01:07:43,855 --> 01:07:44,855
All the money I make,

1048
01:07:44,975 --> 01:07:46,455
I'm not gonna be able to take it with me.

1049
01:07:46,675 --> 01:07:48,095
So all this is temporary.

1050
01:07:48,335 --> 01:07:50,155
And so I know that what I need to focus on

1051
01:07:50,155 --> 01:07:50,975
is just the journey.

1052
01:07:51,195 --> 01:07:51,815
It's the game.

1053
01:07:51,935 --> 01:07:52,535
It's the process.

1054
01:07:53,035 --> 01:07:54,715
This is a trip.

1055
01:07:54,715 --> 01:07:56,935
and I want to figure out what's my trip going to look like?

1056
01:07:56,975 --> 01:07:58,635
What's my path up the mountain going to look like?

1057
01:07:58,755 --> 01:08:00,415
What kind of experiences am I going to have?

1058
01:08:00,435 --> 01:08:01,295
What kind of people are I going to meet?

1059
01:08:01,595 --> 01:08:03,055
Can I meet some really cool Bitcoiners

1060
01:08:03,055 --> 01:08:05,475
and maybe help a Bitcoin company in some way

1061
01:08:05,475 --> 01:08:06,715
or start a Bitcoin company?

1062
01:08:06,915 --> 01:08:07,175
Maybe.

1063
01:08:07,615 --> 01:08:09,915
Maybe I can get this YouTube channel off the ground

1064
01:08:09,915 --> 01:08:14,235
and have it blow up and then go speak at a conference

1065
01:08:14,235 --> 01:08:17,015
about the problems with the macro environment

1066
01:08:17,015 --> 01:08:18,755
and how everyone needs to buy Bitcoin

1067
01:08:18,755 --> 01:08:20,035
and some people buy Bitcoin

1068
01:08:20,035 --> 01:08:22,415
and save their financial future because of me.

1069
01:08:22,475 --> 01:08:23,915
That would be amazing, right?

1070
01:08:23,915 --> 01:08:27,695
There's different paths that can go down, but it's all about the process.

1071
01:08:27,695 --> 01:08:31,655
It's about like the day-to-day habits that you do to keep up with your long-term goals.

1072
01:08:31,975 --> 01:08:35,475
So ironically, a lot of it is what we said earlier, which is intuition.

1073
01:08:36,355 --> 01:08:37,475
A lot of it is intuition.

1074
01:08:37,895 --> 01:08:39,555
I just get a gut feeling.

1075
01:08:39,815 --> 01:08:45,015
And so when I have like, you know, for the example of podcasts, I have these people talk

1076
01:08:45,015 --> 01:08:48,635
to me about podcasts and I've had, you know, I've had people, for example, so I have this

1077
01:08:48,635 --> 01:08:49,935
intern, Alex, right?

1078
01:08:49,935 --> 01:08:52,175
And he helps me do this macro research and write.

1079
01:08:52,175 --> 01:08:57,655
and he's run into people who do podcasts or do content

1080
01:08:57,655 --> 01:08:59,655
and they've been rude to him in person.

1081
01:08:59,995 --> 01:09:01,515
And then when they figure out that he works with me,

1082
01:09:01,935 --> 01:09:02,935
then they're kind to him.

1083
01:09:03,155 --> 01:09:07,055
Then they switch up because Alex has like 500 followers,

1084
01:09:07,215 --> 01:09:08,775
three, I don't know, very low.

1085
01:09:08,855 --> 01:09:10,375
And then I have 120,000.

1086
01:09:10,695 --> 01:09:12,375
And someone's like, you work with Peruvian Bull?

1087
01:09:12,415 --> 01:09:13,815
Oh my gosh, like, let me get,

1088
01:09:13,995 --> 01:09:15,255
can you grab him on my podcast?

1089
01:09:15,375 --> 01:09:17,315
Can you ask him to retweet my stuff?

1090
01:09:17,315 --> 01:09:20,395
Can you have him, you know, send me a DM?

1091
01:09:20,395 --> 01:09:24,055
And it's like, dude, that guy is fake, right?

1092
01:09:24,175 --> 01:09:32,555
And so that intuition, that realizing which people are really good to bring along on the journey and which people aren't is what I use to discern which opportunity to pursue.

1093
01:09:32,775 --> 01:09:33,875
Also, my morality, right?

1094
01:09:33,935 --> 01:09:40,115
I want to keep – it's hard because it would be – I would be a lot richer right now if I had less morals, you know?

1095
01:09:40,355 --> 01:09:43,735
Because as a finance creator, you get opportunities all the time.

1096
01:09:43,735 --> 01:09:47,555
And so I've had crypto companies, like I said, earlier exchanges.

1097
01:09:47,835 --> 01:09:49,035
We'll pay you $5,000.

1098
01:09:49,095 --> 01:09:50,995
We'll pay you $10,000 for an endorsement.

1099
01:09:51,095 --> 01:09:52,375
We want to give you all this money.

1100
01:09:52,515 --> 01:09:53,375
Please help us.

1101
01:09:53,655 --> 01:09:54,415
Please do this.

1102
01:09:54,675 --> 01:09:56,355
Please shill our coin to your audience.

1103
01:09:56,475 --> 01:09:58,395
And I have to say, no, I'm not doing that.

1104
01:09:58,475 --> 01:09:59,575
I don't care how much money it is.

1105
01:09:59,835 --> 01:10:01,175
My integrity is worth more.

1106
01:10:01,495 --> 01:10:03,995
So it's my morality and my intuition in both of those combined.

1107
01:10:04,295 --> 01:10:07,815
I've actually found a really good filter for judging which opportunities to pursue.

1108
01:10:08,055 --> 01:10:11,315
Do you distinguish between authenticity and integrity?

1109
01:10:11,935 --> 01:10:12,215
Yes.

1110
01:10:12,575 --> 01:10:13,535
In what sense?

1111
01:10:13,735 --> 01:10:15,915
Being authentic doesn't mean being good.

1112
01:10:16,215 --> 01:10:17,575
It just means being who you are.

1113
01:10:18,095 --> 01:10:22,635
So I can be a serial killer and murdering someone is authentic to who I am.

1114
01:10:22,735 --> 01:10:24,775
It doesn't mean I'm a good person, right?

1115
01:10:25,135 --> 01:10:29,595
But it's a good question because I think if you're authentic about who you are, and as

1116
01:10:29,595 --> 01:10:34,135
obviously, as long as you're a good person doing things forthrightly, you are acting

1117
01:10:34,135 --> 01:10:35,375
with integrity, right?

1118
01:10:35,515 --> 01:10:36,735
And so I pair those together.

1119
01:10:37,775 --> 01:10:40,435
Especially now when I'm public, I'm unapologetically me.

1120
01:10:40,515 --> 01:10:41,355
This is just who I am.

1121
01:10:41,455 --> 01:10:43,095
I really like to research macro.

1122
01:10:43,095 --> 01:10:44,095
I really like finance.

1123
01:10:44,235 --> 01:10:46,615
I've also read up a little bit about conspiracy theories.

1124
01:10:46,695 --> 01:10:49,595
I think there's some really interesting conspiracies that are probably true.

1125
01:10:49,715 --> 01:10:51,475
The JFK one is a great one.

1126
01:10:51,975 --> 01:10:56,455
You know, I've gotten flack online for talking about conspiracies just like tangentially.

1127
01:10:56,715 --> 01:11:04,695
But I'm also I'm not one of the people who goes so deep that is like I believe the earth is flat or I believe that all the birds are robots or whatever.

1128
01:11:04,795 --> 01:11:05,935
Like there's people who go that far.

1129
01:11:06,435 --> 01:11:09,615
And so I will authentically tell you what I believe.

1130
01:11:09,615 --> 01:11:18,875
And there are people macro who think if you even question anything about any official narrative, you're a crazy kook conspiracy theorist.

1131
01:11:19,195 --> 01:11:20,255
And I say, you know what?

1132
01:11:20,275 --> 01:11:20,615
That's fine.

1133
01:11:20,655 --> 01:11:21,315
You can have that opinion.

1134
01:11:21,395 --> 01:11:22,335
But I'm being authentically me.

1135
01:11:22,415 --> 01:11:23,415
I'm sharing my opinions.

1136
01:11:23,995 --> 01:11:24,875
And so this is who I am.

1137
01:11:24,975 --> 01:11:26,835
So if you don't like it, then you can unfollow me.

1138
01:11:27,235 --> 01:11:27,675
Right, right.

1139
01:11:27,735 --> 01:11:28,055
And totally.

1140
01:11:28,315 --> 01:11:33,615
It goes back to, well, it seems like an overarching theme of this conversation.

1141
01:11:33,615 --> 01:11:41,315
We really have to be radically honest with ourselves and know that whatever we're doing and saying is really ours.

1142
01:11:41,615 --> 01:11:50,615
Then if we can be authentic and make peace with that and know that's true to us, at least, then regardless what other people say, right?

1143
01:11:50,615 --> 01:11:52,375
They have their own life to worry about.

1144
01:11:52,515 --> 01:12:00,055
And we are only ultimately first responsible for our own lives, to be responsible for ourselves.

1145
01:12:00,235 --> 01:12:02,795
And now I'll touch on what you were saying about process.

1146
01:12:02,795 --> 01:12:04,955
I totally agree.

1147
01:12:05,795 --> 01:12:10,155
Experiencing, I've been experiencing this myself as a creative.

1148
01:12:10,435 --> 01:12:14,195
So I'm a new musician and now I'm like writing songs and making music.

1149
01:12:14,715 --> 01:12:17,735
And in the past, when I first get into this process is very,

1150
01:12:18,035 --> 01:12:21,775
had to really rely on the burst of energy, burst of inspiration.

1151
01:12:21,915 --> 01:12:23,075
Inspiration, yeah, creativity.

1152
01:12:23,635 --> 01:12:24,355
For creativity.

1153
01:12:24,875 --> 01:12:30,295
In a period of time, I would perhaps have like one week and flash out a song and that's it.

1154
01:12:30,295 --> 01:12:35,855
And then sometimes I would go by months of not writing anything down.

1155
01:12:36,115 --> 01:12:40,035
And then I was thinking, okay, if I want to take this more seriously,

1156
01:12:40,195 --> 01:12:42,995
what is the difference between a hobby and a craft?

1157
01:12:43,115 --> 01:12:47,655
Is that for a craftsman, they show up ring or shy.

1158
01:12:48,135 --> 01:12:53,315
A carpenter is not going to not go to the office just because they don't have inspirations

1159
01:12:53,315 --> 01:12:56,055
or it's raining outside or whatever reason, right?

1160
01:12:56,055 --> 01:13:04,335
Like you have to show up to do it regardless and to show up enough until when you sit down,

1161
01:13:04,415 --> 01:13:05,415
something starts to come up.

1162
01:13:05,515 --> 01:13:06,855
Then that's a craftsman.

1163
01:13:06,855 --> 01:13:12,315
And if you are just relying on the burst of energy and burst of inspiration and God knows

1164
01:13:12,315 --> 01:13:14,875
when it's going to come, then you're going to remain a hobbyist.

1165
01:13:15,215 --> 01:13:19,695
And there's only certain places you can go as a hobbyist that you wouldn't be able to

1166
01:13:19,695 --> 01:13:25,135
reach the level of a professional or reach the level of your expectation or where you

1167
01:13:25,135 --> 01:13:25,835
want to go, right?

1168
01:13:25,835 --> 01:13:32,215
the proof of work goes hand in hand with the patients and just showing up, building that

1169
01:13:32,215 --> 01:13:39,175
process. Yeah, it does. And it's again, it's this it's this battle between who you are and who you

1170
01:13:39,175 --> 01:13:46,195
want to be. So I'm in a perpetual state of thinking like, is this is doing this like X activity,

1171
01:13:46,455 --> 01:13:51,115
whatever it is like I used to I still have a chess addiction. I love playing chess. It's so much fun.

1172
01:13:51,115 --> 01:13:55,775
And like as someone who is like really analytical, chess is like the most addicting game because

1173
01:13:55,775 --> 01:14:01,115
winning is a huge dopamine burst and I gain points and then losing. I'm like, how did I not see that

1174
01:14:01,115 --> 01:14:05,935
move? And then I'm, you know, it's, it can be distracting, right? I think in 2023, I was like

1175
01:14:05,935 --> 01:14:13,255
the top 3%, uh, most active players on chess.com. So I was like, I was playing a lot and it was way

1176
01:14:13,255 --> 01:14:16,895
too much. And I realized, especially that year, I'm like, if I want to take this journey seriously,

1177
01:14:16,895 --> 01:14:21,955
I need to give up, you know, certain things in my life, even if they're pleasurable,

1178
01:14:21,955 --> 01:14:27,175
right and so or they're fun or they're they're seemingly good for me because they give me a

1179
01:14:27,175 --> 01:14:33,375
dopamine hit um so that that battle has always been within me and and you know i see what you're

1180
01:14:33,375 --> 01:14:37,135
talking about all the time you go to work especially with creative work you don't feel the

1181
01:14:37,135 --> 01:14:42,255
the creative urge you don't feel you're like i don't know what to write about or in your case i

1182
01:14:42,255 --> 01:14:45,855
don't know what to i don't know what the music i should i don't know how to start the song where

1183
01:14:45,855 --> 01:14:50,235
do i even start and in those days you just have to go through the motions you just have to do

1184
01:14:50,235 --> 01:14:55,635
the process as the process is laid out. And so what I'll do in those days, again, is like,

1185
01:14:55,915 --> 01:14:59,295
I'll go to the office. I'll just be like, okay, let me just start reading other people's work.

1186
01:14:59,475 --> 01:15:02,755
Let me see what everyone else is writing. I'll do some reading. I'll do some research. I'll figure

1187
01:15:02,755 --> 01:15:07,035
out like, what are some major themes coming up? I'll listen to some podcasts and I'll walk around

1188
01:15:07,035 --> 01:15:12,795
the park. I'll go do other activities while I'm thinking about what's the next piece for my

1189
01:15:12,795 --> 01:15:17,815
sub stack or what's the next good tweet to put out or Twitter thread. And then usually within a day

1190
01:15:17,815 --> 01:15:19,435
or two, the inspiration will strike.

1191
01:15:19,635 --> 01:15:21,815
But it's better than just laying in bed and doing nothing.

1192
01:15:21,935 --> 01:15:22,395
That's the thing.

1193
01:15:22,435 --> 01:15:23,855
You just have to keep showing up.

1194
01:15:24,115 --> 01:15:30,015
And I remember like years ago, I remember reading something and it really left a mark

1195
01:15:30,015 --> 01:15:31,055
in my mind.

1196
01:15:31,175 --> 01:15:35,335
It was saying for someone, if you want to build a habit of going to the gym, then the

1197
01:15:35,335 --> 01:15:37,615
best way to do it is for the first week.

1198
01:15:37,695 --> 01:15:42,795
Like if you're trying to go every day, the first week you just go and don't exercise

1199
01:15:42,795 --> 01:15:43,635
at all.

1200
01:15:43,775 --> 01:15:46,035
You just show up and leave.

1201
01:15:46,155 --> 01:15:47,535
You just stay there for five minutes.

1202
01:15:47,535 --> 01:15:51,135
Because for most people, the hardest part is to get to the gym.

1203
01:15:51,255 --> 01:15:52,415
And I totally feel that.

1204
01:15:52,615 --> 01:15:56,155
Like for me, the worst part of going to the gym is actually going and coming back.

1205
01:15:56,435 --> 01:15:58,995
So they were like, so the first week you just show up.

1206
01:15:59,075 --> 01:16:00,415
You don't even work out there.

1207
01:16:00,675 --> 01:16:02,935
Just get into the mindset of going there.

1208
01:16:03,235 --> 01:16:06,235
And then it will become easier when you're actually doing it.

1209
01:16:06,435 --> 01:16:07,975
Because the hardest part is over.

1210
01:16:08,335 --> 01:16:13,435
So I was really remembering that and gave me major insight.

1211
01:16:13,435 --> 01:16:33,855
And now that you're on the path of serving your purpose, optimizing your life, giving up things in your life to be that person, do you think purpose is something that we are born with, that we each person has a purpose that we're supposed to serve or it's something that we create as we live?

1212
01:16:34,355 --> 01:16:35,355
That's a hard question.

1213
01:16:35,655 --> 01:16:37,795
You know, I would be inclined to say it's the first.

1214
01:16:37,795 --> 01:16:44,395
like it's it's hard to say because the purpose especially when it comes from a very deep place

1215
01:16:44,395 --> 01:16:49,515
to me and my this is my intuition and you know maybe i'm wrong it feels like like my passions

1216
01:16:49,515 --> 01:16:56,195
it feels like they were almost like given to me and not that i chose them right because macro

1217
01:16:56,195 --> 01:17:02,195
finance like doing content creation in this game is very hard very slow like i'm very i'm a very

1218
01:17:02,195 --> 01:17:07,575
young person for this and so you know i'm still in my 20s and most people doing professional macro

1219
01:17:07,575 --> 01:17:13,075
stuff for 40 something, right? And they have a hedge fund or they have an investment fund or they

1220
01:17:13,075 --> 01:17:17,775
have 30 years of experience at a bank. And I don't have any of that. And so if I had to go and choose

1221
01:17:17,775 --> 01:17:22,575
a passion, I would have just chosen programming and made 120 or 150K a year for my first job

1222
01:17:22,575 --> 01:17:28,035
and just bought Bitcoin and been rich, right? That would be great. But I couldn't choose my

1223
01:17:28,035 --> 01:17:33,415
passion. I tried getting into programming. I tried getting into computers and all that stuff. And

1224
01:17:33,415 --> 01:17:37,735
although I could understand it, I just didn't care about it. I'm like, I don't care about code. I

1225
01:17:37,735 --> 01:17:42,115
don't care about sitting here and writing lines on a computer for like 10 hours. That doesn't

1226
01:17:42,115 --> 01:17:47,715
interest me. And so I had to go the opposite way. And so it felt to me intuitively that the purpose

1227
01:17:47,715 --> 01:17:53,095
and the passion was like granted to me. And whether this is from a genetic thing of this

1228
01:17:53,095 --> 01:17:57,015
comes super deep, you know, like maybe just genetically or imprinted, like this is what

1229
01:17:57,015 --> 01:18:01,175
you're going to be interested in. Or maybe if it's like a spiritual thing, like maybe my soul

1230
01:18:01,175 --> 01:18:04,855
was always destined to be interested in wanting to do this kind of thing.

1231
01:18:05,055 --> 01:18:08,175
Whatever it is, I think it was just, it was predetermined at birth.

1232
01:18:08,175 --> 01:18:10,535
And it's almost like that's what I always wanted to do.

1233
01:18:10,635 --> 01:18:15,415
And like I said earlier, it's almost like if you had dropped me in whatever environment

1234
01:18:15,415 --> 01:18:19,655
it would be, I wouldn't be happy unless I was doing something similar to what I'm doing

1235
01:18:19,655 --> 01:18:19,915
now.

1236
01:18:20,075 --> 01:18:26,295
So if I was born in the 50s, like, you know, yeah, like in a nunnery with like all these

1237
01:18:26,295 --> 01:18:31,435
nuns, I would probably be like, yo, I want to go learn, you know, how to be a monk.

1238
01:18:31,595 --> 01:18:35,675
Or I want to go learn how to be the advisor to the king and help him strategize on war

1239
01:18:35,675 --> 01:18:37,195
and economics and how to set up the kingdom.

1240
01:18:37,475 --> 01:18:39,175
And people would have been like, no, you can't do that.

1241
01:18:39,215 --> 01:18:40,095
You're not a royal birth.

1242
01:18:40,155 --> 01:18:41,015
I'd be like, I don't care.

1243
01:18:41,095 --> 01:18:41,875
I'll read all the books.

1244
01:18:41,975 --> 01:18:44,515
I'll do all the, I'll do it at the school or whatever you need to do.

1245
01:18:44,595 --> 01:18:46,115
I want to go help the king strategize.

1246
01:18:46,115 --> 01:18:49,655
Or I want to be a prince or, you know, I want to do something cool.

1247
01:18:49,975 --> 01:18:51,375
I couldn't accept a normal life.

1248
01:18:51,495 --> 01:18:55,955
It comes from a very deep place that's either, again, genetic or maybe even like a soul thing,

1249
01:18:55,955 --> 01:19:00,995
honestly, like a spiritual thing. For those of whom I think it takes time and it's not as obvious

1250
01:19:00,995 --> 01:19:06,875
to people sometimes. It takes a path finding process. And for those people who are still

1251
01:19:06,875 --> 01:19:12,595
looking for their purpose or looking for, I guess, courage or strength to fulfill that,

1252
01:19:13,195 --> 01:19:18,355
to take the leap of faith, what would you say to them? So I would say there's a couple of things.

1253
01:19:18,435 --> 01:19:23,795
First, you know, if you're hesitating, if you're waiting, you need to start to think of not only

1254
01:19:23,795 --> 01:19:26,895
because most people focus on the negatives of taking the leap.

1255
01:19:27,015 --> 01:19:29,195
If you think like, yeah, I'm going to start a podcast

1256
01:19:29,195 --> 01:19:31,015
and I want to do life with Bitcoin

1257
01:19:31,015 --> 01:19:32,355
and I might get flack for it.

1258
01:19:32,375 --> 01:19:33,135
People might not like it.

1259
01:19:33,215 --> 01:19:34,935
People might say that it's negative.

1260
01:19:35,175 --> 01:19:37,455
Or for me, I start a Twitter account

1261
01:19:37,455 --> 01:19:39,195
and people might say I'm stupid for this take

1262
01:19:39,195 --> 01:19:41,575
or I'm wrong about this thing or wrong about that.

1263
01:19:41,815 --> 01:19:43,955
You have to be willing to acknowledge

1264
01:19:43,955 --> 01:19:46,555
like not only obviously there's negatives to starting something,

1265
01:19:46,655 --> 01:19:48,235
there's also negatives to not starting it.

1266
01:19:48,715 --> 01:19:50,155
So there's a huge downside.

1267
01:19:50,315 --> 01:19:52,015
Again, if you want to stay in your current job

1268
01:19:52,015 --> 01:19:52,835
and you have this passion

1269
01:19:52,835 --> 01:19:58,495
and you want to go be a musician, be an artist, be a creator, and you don't do it, you're going

1270
01:19:58,495 --> 01:20:02,255
to start to resent yourself. You're going to start to feel internal anguish. You're going to start to

1271
01:20:02,255 --> 01:20:08,235
feel internal anger. And that internal anger over years can metastasize and grow like a cancer

1272
01:20:08,235 --> 01:20:12,935
and destroy people. And I've seen it happen. I've seen people where, you know, you'll go to

1273
01:20:12,935 --> 01:20:19,035
beer with them and they'll just say, man, I could have started a company and I didn't. And, ah,

1274
01:20:19,035 --> 01:20:20,535
I'm stuck in this nine to five.

1275
01:20:20,615 --> 01:20:21,275
I have a wife and kids.

1276
01:20:21,335 --> 01:20:22,255
I can't change.

1277
01:20:22,815 --> 01:20:24,815
Or, you know, I married the wrong person.

1278
01:20:24,895 --> 01:20:27,275
I wish I hadn't done, you know, I want to change.

1279
01:20:27,335 --> 01:20:29,275
And I'm like, then you need to make the change.

1280
01:20:29,315 --> 01:20:30,895
I'm sorry, but it's uncomfortable.

1281
01:20:31,135 --> 01:20:34,935
But the price of staying where you are is very high to pay.

1282
01:20:34,935 --> 01:20:42,715
Yeah, the price that you're paying today to change is the lowest price you will ever pay to get out of the situation already.

1283
01:20:42,715 --> 01:20:51,375
So you either accept the lowest cost and start doing it or you never leave or you're paying way higher cost down the line somewhere, right?

1284
01:20:51,595 --> 01:20:54,715
But it takes a certain personality.

1285
01:20:55,535 --> 01:20:58,155
It takes certain security as well.

1286
01:20:58,295 --> 01:21:01,835
Like if you're so insecure as a person, then maybe it's harder.

1287
01:21:02,215 --> 01:21:11,055
But it takes a combination of things to understand these things and as well as executing on them consistently to this point.

1288
01:21:11,055 --> 01:21:18,715
So I certainly have a lot of appreciation and respect for your own journey and who you've become along this line.

1289
01:21:18,775 --> 01:21:22,515
So let's end the conversation with a positive note of yourself.

1290
01:21:22,695 --> 01:21:31,015
Looking back in the years, what is the saying or what are some of the things that you're most proud of yourself for pulling off?

1291
01:21:31,275 --> 01:21:33,375
Not like professionally or just like personally?

1292
01:21:33,375 --> 01:21:36,135
Sure. So there's a couple.

1293
01:21:36,135 --> 01:21:42,715
but I would say the biggest pride, you know, I guess thing that I'm proud of or thing that,

1294
01:21:42,715 --> 01:21:49,215
you know, I rebirthed myself or had a huge change was from about 2021 to 2022, I had really bad

1295
01:21:49,215 --> 01:21:52,815
insomnia and I was going to all these different doctors trying to figure out what was wrong with

1296
01:21:52,815 --> 01:21:55,975
me. And I didn't realize, you know, I told you about my childhood that a lot of it was rooted

1297
01:21:55,975 --> 01:22:00,175
in what had happened to me during my childhood. My brother being schizophrenic, being, you know,

1298
01:22:00,255 --> 01:22:05,395
going over the deep end, being very volatile emotionally and mentally. My whole family

1299
01:22:05,395 --> 01:22:12,435
to deal with that. And my dad also suffers from severe depression. And so having both those

1300
01:22:12,435 --> 01:22:16,775
mentally ill people in my family in close proximity to me had done more damage than I knew.

1301
01:22:17,035 --> 01:22:21,175
And so I started having this insomnia and I was at the time working full time at Carta,

1302
01:22:21,315 --> 01:22:25,755
at this fintech. And I was also obviously, you know, working on the Twitter. I was just tweeting

1303
01:22:25,755 --> 01:22:29,975
all the time. I started to write my book, started to write these, you know, Twitter threads,

1304
01:22:29,975 --> 01:22:31,055
I started to blow up on Twitter.

1305
01:22:31,675 --> 01:22:38,015
And by, you know, mid 2022, I was at a breaking point and I was sleeping two hours a night

1306
01:22:38,015 --> 01:22:38,695
consistently.

1307
01:22:39,315 --> 01:22:43,495
And basically, like I was feeling I was in pain every day because when you don't sleep

1308
01:22:43,495 --> 01:22:46,975
at all, you have headaches, you have vision problems.

1309
01:22:46,975 --> 01:22:51,015
I was having stomach and gut pain all the time and I was barely able to eat.

1310
01:22:51,015 --> 01:22:55,035
I just sometimes even like force myself to eat because my appetite went to zero and it

1311
01:22:55,035 --> 01:22:56,235
was a really rough time.

1312
01:22:56,235 --> 01:23:02,055
but I realized, you know, this is the time where I either, I stay complacent, I stay,

1313
01:23:02,335 --> 01:23:06,495
you know, I just accept that this is my life because the doctors all said, we can put you

1314
01:23:06,495 --> 01:23:11,195
on SSRIs and we can put you on all these medicines to help with insomnia. You can still work your

1315
01:23:11,195 --> 01:23:14,815
job and you can have benefits and you can work there forever and you can just pay us income

1316
01:23:14,815 --> 01:23:19,935
forever and you'll be on your medication forever. And I was like, I can either do that path or I can

1317
01:23:19,993 --> 01:23:24,713
decide, I'm going to do something radically different. I'm going to try to heal this insomnia

1318
01:23:24,713 --> 01:23:30,013
to change this. But then on the same note, I'm going to try to do something that's more authentic

1319
01:23:30,013 --> 01:23:39,213
to me. And so I started this path of self-discovery of personal growth and healing. And I did neurofeedback.

1320
01:23:39,353 --> 01:23:43,453
I did therapy for a little bit, but didn't really do much for me. And then I did psilocybin in March

1321
01:23:43,453 --> 01:23:49,133
of 2023. And after I did psilocybin, I had a very, very spiritual experience, very personal experience.

1322
01:23:49,133 --> 01:23:52,693
I was able to let go of a lot of, you know, anger and pain.

1323
01:23:52,873 --> 01:23:55,553
And my sleep started improving almost immediately.

1324
01:23:55,693 --> 01:23:59,013
And I also realized, I was like, I know what my true purpose is now.

1325
01:23:59,133 --> 01:24:01,613
I need to actually do this Twitter thing.

1326
01:24:01,793 --> 01:24:03,353
I need to be, I need to take it for real.

1327
01:24:03,473 --> 01:24:04,753
I need to actually take it seriously.

1328
01:24:05,073 --> 01:24:08,973
And so, yeah, over the course of 2023, my sleep got better and better and better.

1329
01:24:09,273 --> 01:24:13,053
And by August, I was like healthy enough and I was like feeling good enough.

1330
01:24:13,133 --> 01:24:14,813
I'm like, I can quit my job and lose my health benefits.

1331
01:24:14,893 --> 01:24:15,373
I don't care.

1332
01:24:15,573 --> 01:24:16,453
I don't need it anymore.

1333
01:24:16,453 --> 01:24:35,913
And so I kind of went through that. I had to let my old self die in that psilocybin experience to kind of move forward. You know, I had to be like this old self that's angry, that's even fearful of what will change and fearful of what will happen. I have to realize that change is inevitable, that this is just a natural part of life.

1334
01:24:35,913 --> 01:24:40,613
this new adventure of starting this, you know, online persona and starting the YouTube and

1335
01:24:40,613 --> 01:24:45,773
starting the book and everything is part of where I'm meant to go. And so I need to

1336
01:24:45,773 --> 01:24:50,073
be able to be comfortable with that. So I had to let that old self die and, you know,

1337
01:24:50,153 --> 01:24:55,433
start stepping into this new me. Wow. I'm so happy to hear that you can

1338
01:24:55,433 --> 01:25:00,953
sleep well now. It's such an important thing. There's a lot of stories like this. And I love

1339
01:25:00,953 --> 01:25:04,953
I love talking to Bitcoiners about how they've changed over the years

1340
01:25:04,953 --> 01:25:20,760
because every postmodern individual is traumatized I feel like Regardless of your age and in your upbringing either that from your family or from just the society in general we very wounded There a lot of calling for healing as a society

1341
01:25:21,180 --> 01:25:31,580
And that starts from us individually to really be honest with our experience, our trauma and recognize that we are hurt.

1342
01:25:31,580 --> 01:25:37,900
We're hurting because sometimes I talk to a friend, talk to friends and I'm like, yeah, you're in the process of healing.

1343
01:25:37,980 --> 01:25:39,900
and then they would say something, it's really mad.

1344
01:25:39,1000 --> 01:25:40,940
And they would say something like,

1345
01:25:41,100 --> 01:25:42,740
oh, but I don't feel like I'm hurting.

1346
01:25:43,060 --> 01:25:45,180
I'm like, you don't know that you're hurting.

1347
01:25:45,540 --> 01:25:47,880
You don't feel it.

1348
01:25:47,1000 --> 01:25:49,480
It doesn't mean that you're not.

1349
01:25:49,580 --> 01:25:50,960
You don't know that you're hurting.

1350
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,380
And it's about knowing that you're hurting

1351
01:25:53,380 --> 01:25:57,360
and understand what's really hurting you.

1352
01:25:57,540 --> 01:25:59,340
Oftentimes it's not what hurts us.

1353
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:01,380
It's what we make out of it.

1354
01:26:01,380 --> 01:26:03,980
And then sometimes we stuck in the mentality in the past.

1355
01:26:04,060 --> 01:26:05,620
It's like as a five-year-old boy,

1356
01:26:05,620 --> 01:26:11,100
then it may feel, oh, I'm neglected because my parents are taking care of my brother.

1357
01:26:11,300 --> 01:26:16,100
But now at like 30 years old, perhaps you're like, okay, now I have a perspective of, you know,

1358
01:26:16,180 --> 01:26:18,940
like they're their parents, they're doing their best.

1359
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:20,220
And this is the situation.

1360
01:26:20,220 --> 01:26:23,400
And this is the time and resources that you did have at the time.

1361
01:26:23,700 --> 01:26:26,020
And they didn't do this on purpose.

1362
01:26:26,020 --> 01:26:27,300
It's not their fault.

1363
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:28,340
And it's not my fault.

1364
01:26:28,340 --> 01:26:34,920
So there's a lot of forgiveness to not only to whoever who hurt us, but also to ourselves.

1365
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:37,940
for holding on to it, to really let go.

1366
01:26:38,180 --> 01:26:42,980
Once we start wanting to live a more honest life with ourselves,

1367
01:26:42,980 --> 01:26:46,900
then the changes start to trickle and the changes are unconstitutional.

1368
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:49,960
And I'm so glad that you've been through this process

1369
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:56,460
and really thrived out of it and made something out of your own,

1370
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,820
became your own person, and now you're becoming public

1371
01:26:59,820 --> 01:27:13,026
to share with other people that this can be done This can be done You done it But the point is not for other people to copy it to replicate the process It for people to do it for themselves with their method

1372
01:27:13,646 --> 01:27:14,626
That makes sense to them.

1373
01:27:14,826 --> 01:27:15,166
Exactly.

1374
01:27:15,566 --> 01:27:15,986
Exactly.

1375
01:27:16,146 --> 01:27:18,406
You touched on a couple of things there that I want to parrot

1376
01:27:18,406 --> 01:27:21,086
because, you know, we so often,

1377
01:27:21,206 --> 01:27:23,946
we're living a life of habits, right?

1378
01:27:24,046 --> 01:27:27,326
And those habits not only are conscious, they're unconscious, right?

1379
01:27:27,346 --> 01:27:29,206
You might have, you know, beliefs.

1380
01:27:29,206 --> 01:27:36,606
You might have ideas about yourself, about your upbringing, about your world that you don't even realize you have that are subconsciously affecting you.

1381
01:27:36,746 --> 01:27:39,126
And so for me, it was stress and anger.

1382
01:27:39,306 --> 01:27:42,786
I was stressed out about my childhood and I was angry about what had happened.

1383
01:27:42,926 --> 01:27:47,006
And those two emotions were negatively impacting my health that I didn't realize.

1384
01:27:47,126 --> 01:27:57,086
And once I went through that process of taking psilocybin and then later on, I took ayahuasca and I made a thread about it, actually, that like did really well, got a lot of positive feedback.

1385
01:27:57,086 --> 01:28:00,646
Of course, some people think, you know, oh, you're crazy for doing psychedelics.

1386
01:28:00,746 --> 01:28:01,826
You're now insane.

1387
01:28:01,926 --> 01:28:02,866
I can't trust you.

1388
01:28:02,906 --> 01:28:03,346
I'm like, you know what?

1389
01:28:03,406 --> 01:28:03,606
Fine.

1390
01:28:03,646 --> 01:28:07,126
If you don't trust me for going through this healing journey of trying to fix the insomnia,

1391
01:28:07,346 --> 01:28:08,286
then that's fine.

1392
01:28:08,426 --> 01:28:12,226
But until you've been through two years of two hours of sleep a night, I don't think

1393
01:28:12,226 --> 01:28:13,486
you can understand what I went through.

1394
01:28:13,866 --> 01:28:17,506
And I don't think you understand how desperate I was to fix it and to find out what really

1395
01:28:17,506 --> 01:28:17,926
happened.

1396
01:28:18,146 --> 01:28:22,326
And the truth I found was, you know, there's a really good Carl Jung quote that says, you

1397
01:28:22,326 --> 01:28:26,446
until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you'll call it fate.

1398
01:28:26,446 --> 01:28:34,866
And so what I realized with this process was that so much of my anxiety, fear, anger was just unconscious emotion that I didn't deal with.

1399
01:28:34,986 --> 01:28:35,366
Exactly.

1400
01:28:35,746 --> 01:28:39,326
It was my own interpretation of the situation, not even the situation.

1401
01:28:39,446 --> 01:28:40,786
It was my interpretation of it.

1402
01:28:41,186 --> 01:28:49,706
And so once I went through those processes and I also did journaling and I did somatic therapy, working out, all those things, I was able to let all of it go.

1403
01:28:49,786 --> 01:28:51,746
And then I was like, wow, I feel so much better.

1404
01:28:51,946 --> 01:28:53,286
I can sleep so much better now.

1405
01:28:53,426 --> 01:29:08,572
I didn even know that you could sleep that well It like incredible Whoa Especially the last few months my sleep has continued to improve And I like dang like I didn know I could go to sleep and wake up this rested It been so many years since I even felt that It takes you facing

1406
01:29:08,572 --> 01:29:13,172
the dark parts of yourself, the shadow self for you to come through on the other side. And so I

1407
01:29:13,172 --> 01:29:17,272
think, you know, everyone has this opportunity and whether you do it through, you know, therapy or

1408
01:29:17,272 --> 01:29:21,232
whether you do it through writing or whether you do it through a psychedelic experience or prayer

1409
01:29:21,232 --> 01:29:23,632
or whatever it is, do what works for you.

1410
01:29:23,752 --> 01:29:25,512
Work on yourself because you're the greatest project

1411
01:29:25,512 --> 01:29:27,192
that you're going to work on, right?

1412
01:29:27,252 --> 01:29:28,712
And no one else is going to work on you.

1413
01:29:29,112 --> 01:29:29,712
You know, that's the other thing

1414
01:29:29,712 --> 01:29:30,732
is your parents might love you.

1415
01:29:30,812 --> 01:29:31,752
Your friends might love you.

1416
01:29:32,092 --> 01:29:33,672
Everyone might really care about you,

1417
01:29:33,732 --> 01:29:35,812
but no one can really do the work for you

1418
01:29:35,812 --> 01:29:37,172
and no one can really help you

1419
01:29:37,172 --> 01:29:38,472
in the same way that you can help yourself.

1420
01:29:38,472 --> 01:29:41,612
It's a very rewarding process for sure.

1421
01:29:41,872 --> 01:29:44,752
And it's perhaps one of the hardest ones to perfect.

1422
01:29:45,252 --> 01:29:46,292
Thank you so much for sharing.

1423
01:29:46,392 --> 01:29:47,432
This is a powerful story.

1424
01:29:47,532 --> 01:29:49,472
And I hope with this conversation,

1425
01:29:49,472 --> 01:29:53,312
there's more courage and strength floating in the air

1426
01:29:53,312 --> 01:29:55,232
for whatever you're trying to do in your life

1427
01:29:55,232 --> 01:29:59,232
for whatever optimization that you're trying to implement

1428
01:29:59,232 --> 01:30:01,852
but are missing this little push.

1429
01:30:01,992 --> 01:30:03,992
This is your push to do it right now.

1430
01:30:04,152 --> 01:30:04,692
Start now.

1431
01:30:05,172 --> 01:30:06,852
Thank you so much for joining me today

1432
01:30:06,852 --> 01:30:09,152
at this in-person episode of Live with Bitcoin.

1433
01:30:09,572 --> 01:30:13,032
And I hope Live with Bitcoin will continue to be a lifeline

1434
01:30:13,032 --> 01:30:16,072
for people who are seeking the alignment

1435
01:30:16,072 --> 01:30:19,032
between body, mind, and heart.

1436
01:30:19,472 --> 01:30:24,072
the Bitcoin story. Of course. Thank you so much for having me. And we all need to live in,

1437
01:30:24,072 --> 01:30:29,032
you know, coherence with who we are. And so hopefully this podcast and your other podcasts

1438
01:30:29,032 --> 01:30:33,252
that you've done on this channel will encourage people to do that. You know, if you have that

1439
01:30:33,252 --> 01:30:38,632
dream, take that leap. We don't have as much time as we think we do. And so it's time to take the

1440
01:30:38,632 --> 01:30:43,632
leap, time to change, time to grow. Amazing. It's time to grow. It's a perfect note to add on.

1441
01:30:44,072 --> 01:30:48,772
And thank you very much for tuning in to another episode of Live with Bitcoin. My name is Vivian.

1442
01:30:48,772 --> 01:30:50,232
We'll see you in the next episode.

1443
01:30:50,492 --> 01:30:50,952
Thanks, Will Bremer.

1444
01:30:51,272 --> 01:30:51,672
Thank you.