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But I would probably think we actually want and need our emotions to be driving us towards the vision we have for our life.

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And if they're getting in the way, and if you're that person that's like always losing his mind and no one can talk to you and no one can issue or offer you feedback,

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you've got to look in the mirror and at some point just be like, okay, what's the next most important thing that I can do?

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towards changing. Welcome to Live with Bitcoin, where we delve into the human set of Bitcoin by

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focusing on Bitcoiners' personal transformations and life stories. Welcome to another episode.

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My name is BTC Viv, and today joining us is Adam O'Brien. Adam O'Brien is a Canadian

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entrepreneur and early Bitcoiner who discovered Bitcoin in 2013 while researching for a more

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transparent and trustworthy financial system. He's the founder and CEO of Bitcoin Well, a company

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focused on making Bitcoin more accessible and helping people move towards financial independence

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through self-custody and personal responsibility. Beyond his work in Bitcoin, Adam often speaks

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about faith, family, and long-term thinking,

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exploring how Bitcoin intersects with personal values,

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sovereignty, and generational responsibility.

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As a husband and father,

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his perspective on Bitcoin is closely tied to questions of meaning,

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education, and the kind of world we leave behind for the next generation.

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Wow, that's a mouthful.

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Man, that's a really good intro.

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Thank you for saying all those nice things.

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I think it seems like you stumbled upon Bitcoin on the search of meaning, rules or something that's deeper before you even know what you were looking for.

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So just give us a little bit more context.

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Sometimes we only understand our motivations in hindsight.

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Yeah.

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And you discovered Bitcoin back in 2013.

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And tell us about it.

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Before Bitcoin entered your life, what were you searching at the time?

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That's such a good question.

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I don't know if, yeah, I think what you just said is such a good point.

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I was searching in hindsight because I was definitely not intentionally hunting for transparent financial.

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I don't think I even knew what a financial ecosystem was at that point.

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I think I was barely 20 years old.

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But I think my life has kind of been preparing me to find Bitcoin.

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I've always been contrarian.

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I've always been libertarian-minded.

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Even before I would have identified as a libertarian-minded individual.

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people called me libertarian. Like I was just very freedom, personal responsibility focused.

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And when I found Bitcoin, I don't know that I identified the mix right away. But when you find

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Bitcoin, you hear it's a scam. And then the contrarian in me was like, I have to disprove

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this scam. I have to prove somebody wrong. And so I started researching Bitcoin. And when you

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research Bitcoin, you learn about the history of money, you learn about cryptography, you learn

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about encryption, you learn about the money protocol, you learn about fiat and, you know,

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the Fed and the money printing and the debt and all this stuff. And I was just, I was all consumed.

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I couldn't stop. Eventually, it's like, oh, well, Bitcoin fails here. And then you're like, oh,

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never mind. It doesn't fail here. Our money system fails here. It's like, oh, Bitcoin is

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going to fail here. And it's like, well, that game theory doesn't work either. So then you went

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over enough time. And for me, it took, yeah, it was just a few weeks of just hardcore reading.

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I was like, wow, this is the future, at least for now. And I don't even know if at that point,

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I understood the freedom implications of Bitcoin, but I understood the economic. And so when I saw

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that, I started diving in. And then through my story of buying and selling Bitcoin for a few

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years, that was where I realized the freedom implications of Bitcoin. And it was at that

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point that I realized, if you don't own and control your money, somebody else owns and controls you.

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and I'm not a guy that likes to be owned and controlled.

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What?

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Was Bitcoin the first scam that you looked into?

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Because if that was your motivation,

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that's a scam, I'm going to prove them wrong

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or I'm going to be the conspiracist.

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That's right.

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So I can't imagine Bitcoin being the first one

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that you looked into if you had that mindset.

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Were there any other scams that you looked into?

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Not deliberately, but I would say that I've always been

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maybe not hunting to disprove scams,

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But I've always been very curious, very interested.

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I was always, I have two things,

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like stories from my childhood are always around two things.

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One is just questioning everything.

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The other is selling everything.

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I used to love, my dad was a traveling salesman.

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He had like a big territory for like different products.

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And so he would travel around and he'd leave

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and I'd sell like our TV, I'd sell our couches,

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I'd sell golf clubs.

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Like I just nothing was safe if I was in the house.

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I just love the art of making a deal.

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And and then I also would like my mom worked.

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She was an account or she's an accountant.

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And so, you know, there's like a time I woke up early one morning and just took apart her computer.

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I just wanted to see the inside.

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I wanted to see like what how does it work?

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And you can see things on the screen.

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I was like, I don't know, eight or nine or something.

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And so just always very curious and wanting to understand why and how certain things worked in certain ways.

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And so when my parents would tell me certain rules, I would say like, well, why? How come? This doesn't make sense.

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And my mom will remember like, yeah, when I was nine, 10 years old, I would like my logic center was was hitting a certain point.

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She'd be like, I actually don't know. Like, this is a great question and I have to do more. I have to think harder.

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And so I think it was that mindset that drove me to wanting to identify what Bitcoin was, why it was being touted as, you know, this cypherpunk future.

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I don't even know what a cypherpunk was at that point.

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I was I was so green.

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I was so, so fresh, you know, growing up in the prairies in Alberta.

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It was like, you know, oil, farm and hockey.

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Those were like, that's the culture in Alberta.

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It wasn't like cypherpunk, tech, liberty and all these incredible things that Bitcoin offers.

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And so it was just such a brand new world.

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I'm just so naturally curious and just, yeah, I was just diving into it.

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What made you wanting to look into Bitcoin?

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Because for a curious person, like were you already a tech savvy person looking into a lot of technology?

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Because for someone who's also curious, then they may not be looking into Bitcoin.

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Yeah, I was I've always been pretty technically literate.

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I was not and I am not a programmer or like I'm not I'm not a developer by any means.

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I had to learn a lot.

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You know, when I found Bitcoin, there was no there's no like hot wallet.

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There's no there was no no simple to use BitKey or Blockstream Jade or anything like this.

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Like it was like it was very much like run a Bitcoin node.

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I had to learn how to use the command line for the first time.

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I was like brand new to all this stuff.

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It was pet and lucky for me, like Bitcoin's got this funny way of naturally aligned incentives.

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So at the time there was Bitcoin talk for him at the time, of course.

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But the IRC chats was where was where all the good conversation was happening. And so I had to learn how to access the IRC chats. And lucky I had a buddy that kind of walked me through that. I met a I met a buddy at like a local Bitcoin event. There was like five of us in this little event. And I really him and I got along great. And so he kind of took me under his wing and walked me through. He showed me how to make a paper wallet. He showed me how to roll dice to roll a seed, like, you know, taught me about how to even print a wallet securely.

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Like, you know, we bought an old printer and it never touched the internet and bought an old computer.

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Like we went, it was, it was awesome.

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And so it was like a really cool, I was just, I felt like for the first time I was just learning, learning, learning, learning, learning, not, and, and wasn't forced to take a test after.

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Wasn't forced to like sit in a, you know, read, read this boring textbook.

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It was just, it was just natural.

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It just felt normal.

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It felt good.

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And so, yeah, I think it was more out of my curious nature.

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and then the honestly the dopamine of learning about new technology is is always been amazing

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and so yeah well i guess not everybody get dopamine from that way true but i totally see it i totally

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see it being one route and i and i see the point of having someone to hold your hand

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walking it because it's very complicated it's very overwhelming yeah and even for seasoned

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Bitcoiners when you send a Bitcoin transaction.

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So get, oh yeah.

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So it never goes away.

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So the fact that you had someone who were there for you and really walked you through

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that process would make the world's difference.

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Because now you approach Bitcoin in a different lens and you get practical learning of how

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to protect your coin, how to do self-custody.

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Those information in a private setting is very valuable.

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And I think this goes to show like why Bitcoin, wow, is sponsoring like meetups and bringing people together.

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And I see maybe that trickle through your experience being a Bitcoiner.

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And it seems like there was a process between you becoming really convicted after a while when you made the shift, when you truly realize what Bitcoin is and being early and realizing that, oh, we're early.

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Was there some sort of fear getting involved in Bitcoin early when you realize what Bitcoin really is and what you could do?

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No, for me, it's always been excitement. It's always been, thank goodness we're early. I like being on. And it's funny. I think from the normie perspective, I'm on the bleeding edge of tech most times. But I think from my perspective, I'm in the, you know, the early majority is how it feels to me. I never feel like I'm bleeding, bleeding edge. But I think in terms of the macro, I probably am.

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But it really excites me being able to look at a technology.

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And now that I've matured and I've learned more about how the world works and I have this

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repertoire of, I don't know, success or I'd say just experience broadly, I think I have

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a better ability to see technology and then understand how it can actually change the

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world for the good and for the bad.

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And then also, I think more importantly, weed out the things that won't.

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And funny enough, the technology that actually changes the world is actually things that I think look more like historical technology just, you know, brought to modern times.

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And I think that's a really cool thing as well.

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So, yeah, it's been a really fun journey to be able to look at Bitcoin for what it is, which is like it's not a financial instrument.

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It's so much deeper, so much more than that.

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And really, it's like a yeah, it's it's a it's a liberation tool.

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And I think that's that that realization, the conviction, the, you know, the evil forces that want to prevent that.

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They all they all look like obstacles to me.

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And I love obstacles.

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I love jumping over obstacles.

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I was going to ask you this question.

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When you realize the power of personal transformation, because on this show, we talk a lot about personal transformation.

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When you realized the personal transformation, the personal transformational power of Bitcoin, were you, did you catch yourself in a moment of being in fear of a this empowers me this much?

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Now I need to go do something.

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Yeah, great question.

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I don't know that Bitcoin itself has ever pushed me to a point of that.

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but bitcoin i would say has laid a foundation to be in the constant pursuit of personal

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responsibility and when you think about personal responsibility like with your you know with your

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money is one thing with your health is one thing but with your soul with your spirit with your

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morality this is like this is where things get very interesting and deep and convicting and

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and that's not i think i think bitcoin is a likely catalyst to get to that spot but it's not

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necessarily Bitcoin centered. It's I think it's much, much deeper, much more than than Bitcoin.

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But definitely the journey of the journey of personal responsibility is an important one.

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And it's a deep one. And I worry that we as a society have lost all touch with personal

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responsibility. And it's it's very traumatizing to see a world or to think about a world where

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personal responsibility is outsourced. And I'm hopeful I'm hopeful that Bitcoin will be a catalyst

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to that but ultimately you know it ends with with a relationship with jesus it ends in this way

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right and uh and i'm i'm pretty i'm pretty bullish on that right and speaking of um kind of

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finding finding jesus finding your path were you and personal let's talk about personal

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responsibility because this is something that big winners come to come to to realize and then a lot

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of us still haven't realized in different aspects of our life right now you have money where you know

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what some money is and you're saving in some money but that's a more big winner there's a lot of big

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winner right now are making it about stacking stats which is great and the the concern i have

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is that i see big winners also letting go of their life to do that in the sense that they have a

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mattress they have a chair and they're stacking stats good for you right good for you and i respect

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that. And I, you know, there's there's certain perks that goes into that. But I see people

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that give up on weddings, give up on honeymoon, give up on summer camps for their kids. And

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they're sacrificing on these experiential things for themselves on the lifestyle to say that I'm

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able to success. I'm building towards that generational wealth. And sometimes I ask myself,

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where is that balance? Where is that trade off? And so let's talk about personal responsibilities.

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In your view, like what are the most important elements of personal responsibilities?

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Like if we were to say we I want to be someone who take responsibility for myself, what areas should I be looking into to be that person?

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I think first and foremost, it's humility and rejecting any temptation to push the blame somewhere else.

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if somebody wrongs you and this is something that I think Gary V actually talks about and and I align

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with deeply I don't align with you know some things actually I don't align with everything

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anybody says and I think that's a really important thing to like forge your own path and slay your

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heroes to an extent but you know if if somebody wrongs you we have a natural inclination to and

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actually I have a personal story about this so somebody stole about just over five hundred

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thousand dollars from from Bitcoin. Well, we had to go to court. There was a big lawsuit. It was

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like it was brain damage. It cost us a bunch of money in in lawyers. It was just like it was no

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good. And it's very natural to be like, that guy sucks. And, you know, that's probably like the

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natural response to when any whenever anybody wrongs you. But I think the better, healthier

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attitude is to understand where did I go wrong that that person was in a position to steal from

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us in in that way. And when you have this mindset towards things, you can identify the gaps,

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whether it be security gaps, whether it be mindset gaps, whether it be philosophy gaps,

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whatever your gap might be, and get this incredible self awareness skill to be able to actually

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identify where am I acting unfavorably, because like it or not, the reason somebody can steal from

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you is your fault. You know what I mean? That's like, you know, if somebody if somebody breaks

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into your house and steals this this tree it's like why did you have a house that was so easy to

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break into you know what i mean not like that guy shouldn't have done that for sure that guy

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shouldn't have done that but you can only control you and so what this does is it simultaneously

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um it takes power away from the persecutor let's call them and it brings power back to yourself

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it's deeply empowering to think i can solve all of my problems and i'm and i'm talking you know

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more on like the metaphysical, like not the spiritual, right? Spiritually, we're damned and

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we need help to do that. But like, just actually, physically speaking, you can solve all of your

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problems. And sure, there might be some bad luck and bad circumstances and all this stuff. But how

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you respond to that is completely inside your control. And if you actually want to have a shot

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at being, you know, having this personal responsibility and actually increasing

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personal responsibility, you look in yourself and you realize, where did I go wrong? What can I do

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better in the future and then move towards that. And when you frame every problem in that mindset,

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then I swear you're going to have more opportunity for success and prosperity because you're going to

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actually be focused on your power and not focused on, you know, giving like you just when you blame

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somebody else, you give them all the power, right? Oh, I'm just helpless. I couldn't have done

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anything differently. And I'm being robbed. I've been stolen. I, you know, like in our case,

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two-year legal battle and all these legal fees and blah, blah, blah. And at the end, it worked

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out because we were able to suppress the emotion. We were able to understand what was at stake.

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We stayed the course. We stayed humble. And we just went through it. And we won. And it's like,

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we got all the cash back. We got legal fees. We got interest. We won. And that wouldn't have been

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the case if we were just playing the victim. And so when you get out of this victim mindset,

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and I think, by the way, the victim mindset that the world is, it's very intentional.

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It's very easy to control people that are convinced they can't do anything, right?

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Oh, I outsource.

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Like, we've all been outsourcing our money for a century.

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But we've also been outsourcing our education for a century.

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We trust, like, literally, we trust strangers to teach the next generation.

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And then we wonder why the next generation, and by the way, the strangers that teach the

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next generation, they're not like, that's not the pristine job.

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That's not like the highest salary.

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We don't have the upper echelon desiring to do that.

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And I think teachers are amazing and they think they work incredibly hard, but they're

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just, they're, they're not, they've not been put in a position to succeed.

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And then same thing, we outsource our medicine, we outsource our health, we outsource our

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food.

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Like we are walking through the world as outsourced machines.

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And when you look at that, flip that on its head, you take control of your money, you take

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control of your kid's education, you take control of your diet, you buy whole foods

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and not packaged foods.

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Like every single thing that we outsource, we are giving power to somebody else.

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And that a slow drip that very dangerous And I think that Bitcoin kind of wakes you up to that and then shows you that you can yeah that you can kind of take that power back How do you think about the personal responsibility on the mental spiritual side of things

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Like where right now you see people are not taking personal responsibility mentally, psychologically or spiritually right now?

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Yeah, this is a hard one.

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you know, mentally, especially I have yet to find a problem personally that I couldn't just

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brute force through habit. I don't drink alcohol. I don't, I don't, I don't take substance. I drink

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caffeine through the form of coffee and green tea. And I probably eat too much sugar. But other than

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that, I'm like substance free. And that hasn't always been this way. I have a, I have an extremist,

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high energy, addictive personality. And so, you know, when I participate in substance or gambling

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or any type of like dopamine activities is like, whoa, it's hardcore. And so, you know,

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running through that track, though, I kind of realized that and then, you know, take the

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responsibility to like to stop that. And I think it comes from having personal responsibility for

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the purpose of having an external responsibility, meaning like I can't be a good husband if I'm

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chasing dopamine hits. I can't be a good father. I can't be a good businessman. I can't be a good

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a good I can't be a good boss I can't be a good son like and when you start to actually want to be

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whatever a good leader a good father a good husband a good friend a good son a good nephew

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when you actually want to be those things then it's just very easy to make decisions but you

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need to actually want to be those things and I think that we have this world of apathy that just

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doesn't really care help me understand here because I totally agree but there's so many people

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they would say the same thing.

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Oh, I want to be good, right?

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Like I want to do the right thing.

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That's what most of us would do.

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We would want to do, right?

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And then we say we want to do our best

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in a family setting.

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We want to do our best in a professional setting.

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We want to be the best daughter, son, husband,

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father, mom that we ever want to be.

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But they don't go there anyways.

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They break people's heart anyways.

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And then they slack off anyways

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or don't take care of their children the way they do anyways.

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Like, where is that gap coming from?

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Yeah, so probably two places.

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At the root level, it just comes from the human condition.

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It comes from the fact that humans are rooted in sin

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and we are not capable without a savior to climb out of that.

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I don't believe anything that I have done or anyone can do

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from like a salvation or like a self-help perspective.

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I don't think you can achieve maximum self-help without Jesus.

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That's kind of, that's the only logical decision

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that I think exists in the whole world.

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But on the physical or on the direct level,

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you can see that in a person and identify that in yourself

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in how you receive feedback.

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If somebody tells you, if you say,

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hey, I want to be a good person.

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And they're like, then how come you're always doing XYZ bad thing?

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And like, whoa, don't tell me about that.

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I don't want to hear that.

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That's what you're talking about.

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You're rude.

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How dare you bring that up?

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I'm offended and I'm out of here.

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And I'm never talking to you again.

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If this is your response to feedback,

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then you have to like really think to yourself,

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oh, like nobody can really say anything to me

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that offends me.

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If you tell me I'm a bad father,

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I will ask you why.

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How I want this insult.

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Where's my blind spot?

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Like I'm deeply interested in learning

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why anyone would perceive me to be a bad father.

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I want to be a good father.

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And if you think I'm not,

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please tell me why.

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I'm starving for this feedback.

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If you say I'm a, if my wife, if my wife were to come up to me and say, hey, I don't feel

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loved.

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I wouldn't be like, how dare you say that?

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I do this.

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I do this.

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I do this.

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I do this.

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I'd be like, okay, let's fix this.

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Like my job is to make you feel loved.

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How do I fix this better?

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It's not some personal attack on me.

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It's some like, it's like if anybody in your life loves you so much to give you direct

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insights, direct data into how you can improve, take it.

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And understand that, you know, you can take that data in without any emotion and then analyze it and just be like, do I agree or disagree?

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And it just becomes easy.

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Of course.

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But you have to understand this is easier said than done.

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Oh, yeah.

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So my next question is, are you always, have you always been like this?

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Do you feel like you have just this lucky gene that nobody, you don't take anything hard to hard and always at ease?

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Or it's a really learned behavior?

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Learned behavior.

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It's definitely, it's learned behavior.

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It's difficult.

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It's a muscle you have to.

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And again, the single greatest thing that has helped me here is reading the Bible and

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understanding prayer relationship with Jesus.

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Like, you know, if you read the Bible, we're like, we're shown these examples.

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We're shown this stuff.

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And so the prayer, I went through a season of praying a prayer of change desire.

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Don't help me through situations.

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Change my desires so that I can adapt to situations.

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And that's such a such a different.

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And like, I think it worked.

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Praise God.

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I'm like, I'm a changed man.

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And and I think that that's not by my doing.

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So maybe it's maybe it's lucky gene.

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But I think it's deeper than that.

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I think that I've got this.

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Yeah, I'm I've got this desire to truly follow Jesus.

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And I feel like I've got a relationship with him that I can ask questions, ask for change,

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desire, ask for humility, ask for grace.

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You know, I can ask to love my enemy and my heart has changed.

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That's and that's where I think things get really fascinating is we we think about our

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emotions as if they're like this all encompassing power that just has to be harnessed.

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But I would probably think we just we actually want and need our emotions to be driving us

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towards the vision we have for our life.

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And if they're getting in the way, and if you're that person that's like always losing

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his mind and no one can talk to you and no one can issue or offer you feedback. Like you got to look

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in the mirror and at some point just be like, okay, what's the next most important thing that I can do

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towards changing that? And maybe it's just you go through a whole week and you write down every time

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you lost your temper externally. And then for the next week, you just attempt to just don't even,

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just don't lose your temper, right? You can feel all the bad feelings, but just don't give into them.

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And then the week after that, you think, OK, I want to cut the amount of times I feel bad in half.

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And then over the course of a month or a year or a decade, like you're just going to you're just going to have different thoughts, different feelings.

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See, that's an important switch right there to the point that you're asking for a change of desire.

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You're asking for help. You're asking for strength and whatever to help you with the situation.

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And I think this is where most people are still stuck is that we don't want change.

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yeah right we don't want to change and that's the personal responsibility come into play because

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if i admit i truly want this then we're like smart individuals so you see the path to go there

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yeah and then it's like i have to do that yeah that's a lot of work i think that's the that's

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the even more important and hard hardest part for people to to get over so do you feel like

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Do you always like what is this? What is your relationship with Jesus coming from?

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Were you brought up as Christian or or you brought up religious?

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Yeah, I was brought up in I was brought up when I was 12, maybe 10 to 12 ish.

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My mom started bringing me to church and I got super lucky, plugged into an amazing church, found a really good group of friends.

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Over the next kind of few years, got baptized into my teenage years and yeah, fell in love with the church, I would say. But then as I grew older, kind of got just had other priorities. No longer. It was less of a priority for me. Stopped praying, stopped reading the Bible, stopped attending church, started partying, started enjoying the fruits of the world, if you will. And then I got super lucky. One day I just woke up and I was just like, want to go to church.

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and so I just went back to church and then the next week it was just like I guess we'll do that

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again and then kind of over this time over this this you know couple year period started getting

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more and more invested in what the church was but still I would say it was pretty pretty lukewarm

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it was there to serve me I wasn't there to serve it but then my wife who wasn't brought up in a

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like overly Christian environment never went to church or anything like this she's obviously

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coming with me. And she now, when we, I think just after we get married or just, yeah, right

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after we get married or right around the time we were getting married, she gets baptized,

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you know, she gives her life to Christ and same thing. Her and I are kind of at the early stage

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of our relationship. But then through, it was really through COVID, my wife started really

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diving into the Bible, really understanding like, what is all of this? Why are we like this? So,

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You know, why is the government just capable and able and willing to shut everyone down

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and keep everyone away?

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And like, so she starts diving in.

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And then I started, so she starts this kind of deeper journey into the Bible and stuff.

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And I'm quasi interested, but I'm also kind of like, yeah, it's great.

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Like high level, surface level.

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And then I start researching for a talk that I was giving called

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Time Preference with Orange Pilling Your Friends.

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And the thesis on the talk was basically like,

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look, you don't need to orange pill your friend in one hour or one dinner. You need to just

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give them the data and then slowly nurture them and live your life. Exactly. And like when they

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ask questions, you got to be there. You got to be humble. You got to, and I'm, I'm reading,

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I'm like prepping and writing this talk. And I'm like, man, this sounds a lot like when you're

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trying to tell someone about Jesus, like this sounds a lot like the journey to Christianity.

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And so I was like, this is my wife is diving in to the Bible. I'm starting to see this like

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kind of connection between orange pilling someone and like Jesus pilling someone.

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And I'm like, hmm, I wonder if there is more to that. And so I started diving in a little bit more

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to the relationship between money and the Bible and then how Bitcoin principles and Jesus's

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teachings might align. And it was like, you know, in the Matrix, when he like wakes up, he's like,

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I know Kung Fu. It felt like I just had all these like, like this whole thing just aligned. And I

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I was just like, my goodness, like the relationship, like your Bitcoin journey leads you to Jesus.

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And like you can you can really like this path just became so clear to me.

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And so, you know, it was at that point where I was like, holy smokes, if the Bible and at that point, I was kind of just like I'd never really read the Bible intentionally.

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I was kind of just thinking to myself, it's there.

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It's a good book.

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We should probably read it when we're feeling sad or scared or if we need a little bit of like encouragement, you just open it up.

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but it's, it's, you know, it's there when we need it, but it's not. And then I started really

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intentionally reading it. And I was like, whoa, it says this about money. It says this about

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government. It says this about like, you know, I was shocked to hear that God's original vision

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for the world was with no king with no, with, it was decentralized. And, you know, when you think

422
00:29:49,902 --> 00:29:54,482
about the story of Jesus, how he comes and then he decentralizes it, he says like, you know,

423
00:29:54,742 --> 00:29:59,402
Hey, you guys go and spread and make disciples of all nations. And, you know, there's like this

424
00:29:59,402 --> 00:30:03,642
historical element to the Bible that I hadn't considered before. And it just it all got so

425
00:30:03,642 --> 00:30:07,402
interesting and so fascinating. And then, you know, if the history of the Bible looks accurate,

426
00:30:07,402 --> 00:30:12,322
then what about the spiritual side of the Bible? And it was at that point where the prayer of

427
00:30:12,322 --> 00:30:18,362
change desire and, you know, like God opened my eyes, show me what you've got. And yeah,

428
00:30:18,362 --> 00:30:25,182
that's kind of where how I ended up there. Wow. So and you've been in Bitcoin since 2013. So

429
00:30:25,182 --> 00:30:26,282
So that's been a long time.

430
00:30:26,282 --> 00:30:34,222
And it seems like during and your personal journey with Bitcoin coincide with your journey of basically growing up,

431
00:30:34,342 --> 00:30:40,782
like becoming an adult and having relationships, becoming a father, homeschool and starting a company.

432
00:30:41,082 --> 00:30:46,242
Like there's this life path just completely changed because of it.

433
00:30:46,742 --> 00:30:54,422
But it seems like you as a person was already quite aligned with a lot of the Bitcoin ESOs on your own journey.

434
00:30:54,422 --> 00:30:59,142
So I'm interested in learning in this period, like 13 years almost.

435
00:30:59,702 --> 00:31:01,742
How have you changed?

436
00:31:01,822 --> 00:31:08,242
What did you have to do to become this version of you that really felt uncomfortable?

437
00:31:08,702 --> 00:31:16,422
Yeah, certainly there's been periods of time where like just not jumping into my emotion, my emotional response.

438
00:31:16,562 --> 00:31:23,062
And that was the biggest transition, I think, was being able to identify the emotional response against the logical response.

439
00:31:23,062 --> 00:31:25,662
and then understand that both are probably not correct

440
00:31:25,662 --> 00:31:28,662
and finding the balance based on my end goal,

441
00:31:28,782 --> 00:31:29,502
based on my mission.

442
00:31:29,882 --> 00:31:32,602
And so I think the hardest thing was and is,

443
00:31:32,942 --> 00:31:34,642
and I should preface this with like,

444
00:31:34,902 --> 00:31:35,982
I'm generally an optimist.

445
00:31:36,862 --> 00:31:39,142
I rarely, like I'm the guy,

446
00:31:39,622 --> 00:31:41,602
like I'm thankful that that guy stole money from us

447
00:31:41,602 --> 00:31:43,842
because it showed me a gap in how we create partnerships

448
00:31:43,842 --> 00:31:45,562
that we can like fix in the future.

449
00:31:45,642 --> 00:31:47,462
Like it's like, I'm just naturally optimistic.

450
00:31:47,682 --> 00:31:48,942
And so I probably have, you know,

451
00:31:49,022 --> 00:31:50,542
there are a large group of people

452
00:31:50,542 --> 00:31:51,142
that would probably be like,

453
00:31:51,142 --> 00:31:55,362
like that sucks like poor you and I'm like I'm just thankful it wasn't five million bucks like

454
00:31:55,362 --> 00:31:59,642
it was only you know it was 500 not only 500k but like it wasn't more it didn't cripple us we were

455
00:31:59,642 --> 00:32:04,502
able to survive and we got through it and like no problem right so I just generally have that like

456
00:32:04,502 --> 00:32:12,202
happy-go-lucky optimism I suppose and so I don't feel like I can't unfortunately draw into any like

457
00:32:12,202 --> 00:32:19,862
really tumultuous period except for in hindsight the period before diving into like I feel like my

458
00:32:19,862 --> 00:32:24,622
path like diving into Jesus. I feel like my path is clearer. My mission is clearer. I'm having more

459
00:32:24,622 --> 00:32:29,682
fun at work. I feel like I'm doing more more so than ever. I feel like all of my efforts are

460
00:32:29,682 --> 00:32:37,022
converging into what Adam was created to do. And the journey to get here was effectively just one

461
00:32:37,022 --> 00:32:43,082
of constant evaluation against myself, like, which is like, not always pleasant, right? Getting,

462
00:32:43,362 --> 00:32:46,722
you know, I sit here and I'm like, just make sure you take feedback. But like, I didn't use to take

463
00:32:46,722 --> 00:32:50,382
feedback pretty good. I used to be the defensive one that was like, no, you're wrong. Like I'm

464
00:32:50,382 --> 00:32:55,602
doing things better. And realizing that actually another good book that I read was Never Split

465
00:32:55,602 --> 00:33:00,402
the Difference. If you, if you look, if you read that book by Chris Voss, it's like, you know,

466
00:33:00,522 --> 00:33:06,862
he looks at all conversations as just data. And when you can identify what, if you get all the

467
00:33:06,862 --> 00:33:11,962
data and then you get to identify which data you want to use based on your, on your missions and

468
00:33:11,962 --> 00:33:17,162
on your purpose for life, then I think you win. And so I don't know if that was necessarily a

469
00:33:17,162 --> 00:33:22,022
painful journey, but certainly like reconciling the problems I've had in the past was not,

470
00:33:22,022 --> 00:33:29,342
was not super easy. But yeah, I think looking, looking at life as a journey and as each day is

471
00:33:29,342 --> 00:33:32,682
you have at the end of the day, whether you like it or not, you're going to be better or worse than

472
00:33:32,682 --> 00:33:37,162
you were yesterday. And if you're just constantly pursuing, just getting a little bit better every

473
00:33:37,162 --> 00:33:44,622
single day then that compounds like crazy right right and there's two two concepts in spirituality

474
00:33:44,622 --> 00:33:53,402
and bitcoin that having that seem to have a little bit of a trade-off or contradiction in

475
00:33:53,402 --> 00:33:57,842
bitcoin we talk about sovereignty we talk about take responsibility to be sovereign

476
00:33:57,842 --> 00:34:02,182
becoming sovereign individual that's the whole narrative and then in spirituality you have

477
00:34:02,182 --> 00:34:10,662
surrender yeah of letting go and you have like losing yourself in the act of service and being

478
00:34:10,662 --> 00:34:18,682
like ego desks and community and service like all these things like how do you see the connection

479
00:34:18,682 --> 00:34:27,582
where the where the difference between being sovereign as a bitcoiner and being a surrenderer

480
00:34:27,582 --> 00:34:33,202
to God? Totally. This is such a good question. So when you when you start your Bitcoin journey,

481
00:34:33,362 --> 00:34:38,362
it almost always starts for fiat gains, right? You find Bitcoin because number go up,

482
00:34:38,502 --> 00:34:44,162
and you want your number to go up. And so you buy Bitcoin. And then you research Bitcoin because now

483
00:34:44,162 --> 00:34:48,142
you're financially invested. And you realize there's more to money than just number go up.

484
00:34:48,142 --> 00:34:53,162
It's mostly about freedom, actually. And then in that journey, the like, I'll give you a first

485
00:34:53,162 --> 00:35:01,862
example again i put away one bitcoin in 2017 and i said when this bitcoin can buy me a mclaren 720s

486
00:35:01,862 --> 00:35:08,342
i'm gonna get it like when one bitcoin is about 400k this is my this is my bitcoin for that car

487
00:35:08,342 --> 00:35:16,982
that that same you know it's it's it's it's one utxo in a in a cold card like locked away

488
00:35:16,982 --> 00:35:22,082
clean and square clean and square but that is now for my grandkids i don't want a mclaren anymore

489
00:35:22,082 --> 00:35:30,022
I don't care for one, you know, I and I think that that that mindset, it's like you get into something.

490
00:35:30,422 --> 00:35:35,122
And when you get into Bitcoin, you do want that, you know, and then so your Bitcoin journey, then it ends up on sovereignty.

491
00:35:35,622 --> 00:35:40,122
And sovereignty is like, you know, the McLaren, let's let's everyone's got their McLaren, right?

492
00:35:40,142 --> 00:35:44,302
Maybe it's a house. Maybe it's a vacation. Maybe it's a car. Maybe it's maybe it's whatever.

493
00:35:44,502 --> 00:35:48,482
Maybe it's a painting. I don't know. But everyone's got their McLaren that they're saving for.

494
00:35:48,482 --> 00:35:52,342
And then you realize like through your Bitcoin journey that McLaren doesn't really matter.

495
00:35:52,642 --> 00:35:54,902
I'm not that interested in a McLaren anymore.

496
00:35:55,262 --> 00:35:58,882
And so then you're all about personal freedom, personal responsibility.

497
00:35:59,302 --> 00:36:01,742
And this, I think, is where it gets interesting.

498
00:36:02,102 --> 00:36:09,582
And if your journey, you know, brings you to the Bible, you start to understand that God actually wants you to be liberated.

499
00:36:09,902 --> 00:36:17,022
God, there's a whole history of God liberating slaves, of God liberating oppressed people from a tyrannical government.

500
00:36:17,022 --> 00:36:19,282
That's like, I think that's the entire Old Testament.

501
00:36:19,682 --> 00:36:22,422
It's like the history of the Old Testament is literally just that.

502
00:36:22,822 --> 00:36:28,742
It's like humans gain power, humans enslave sub, you know, like this, this subclass of

503
00:36:28,742 --> 00:36:29,142
society.

504
00:36:29,362 --> 00:36:32,582
And then God intervenes and like breaks the chains.

505
00:36:32,642 --> 00:36:34,502
And then we just repeat, repeat.

506
00:36:34,682 --> 00:36:38,382
It's like, it's just this story of constant liberation of slavery.

507
00:36:38,662 --> 00:36:42,522
And I think that our money system is a form of, of slavery.

508
00:36:42,522 --> 00:36:44,962
And so you can kind of see this example in the Bible.

509
00:36:44,962 --> 00:36:50,382
And then you understand that there is something greater than you on the earth.

510
00:36:50,522 --> 00:36:57,542
And your hunt for sovereignty turns into a just a biblical version of yourself.

511
00:36:57,882 --> 00:37:10,144
And you understand that being sovereign from humans is a lot different than being sovereign from your creator from your God And the surrender to God is actually only like the only thing that matters

512
00:37:10,144 --> 00:37:15,684
And, you know, if I felt like we see throughout the Bible, God asking difficult things.

513
00:37:16,024 --> 00:37:16,784
We also see him.

514
00:37:16,924 --> 00:37:17,584
I love this quote.

515
00:37:18,024 --> 00:37:19,384
God doesn't call the equipped.

516
00:37:19,764 --> 00:37:20,764
He equips the called.

517
00:37:21,084 --> 00:37:24,684
And I love that, you know, and I don't know where I land on this.

518
00:37:24,684 --> 00:37:31,744
I would like to think that if God called me to like start from zero, I'd like to think that I would.

519
00:37:31,924 --> 00:37:32,644
I have no idea.

520
00:37:32,784 --> 00:37:33,964
I don't feel that calling, thankfully.

521
00:37:34,224 --> 00:37:34,404
Yes.

522
00:37:34,644 --> 00:37:42,724
But like your relationship needs to get like to the spot where because the lowest time preference, which is what we learn in Bitcoin, learn about low time preference.

523
00:37:42,804 --> 00:37:44,144
You learn about you don't want the McLaren.

524
00:37:44,244 --> 00:37:45,724
You want your great granddaughter to have a good life.

525
00:37:45,764 --> 00:37:48,384
Like this is the this is the tradeoff that you kind of that you kind of make.

526
00:37:48,544 --> 00:37:51,444
But the lowest time preference is not really physical assets on Earth.

527
00:37:51,524 --> 00:37:52,504
It's glory in heaven.

528
00:37:53,264 --> 00:37:55,544
And so, yeah, as your time preference

529
00:37:55,544 --> 00:37:57,084
gets lower and lower and lower

530
00:37:57,084 --> 00:38:00,284
and you suppress these like high time preference

531
00:38:00,284 --> 00:38:01,164
earthly desires,

532
00:38:01,444 --> 00:38:03,904
you naturally end up in a state of surrender

533
00:38:03,904 --> 00:38:05,464
because last time I checked,

534
00:38:05,584 --> 00:38:07,604
I have no influence in heaven, only God does.

535
00:38:08,204 --> 00:38:10,564
If my low time preference is mission,

536
00:38:10,924 --> 00:38:11,944
is glory in heaven,

537
00:38:12,304 --> 00:38:14,344
then my inputs have changed.

538
00:38:14,344 --> 00:38:17,284
The way that I act changes naturally

539
00:38:17,284 --> 00:38:19,704
because I no longer want the Lamborghini or the McLaren.

540
00:38:19,884 --> 00:38:21,204
I now want glory in heaven.

541
00:38:21,204 --> 00:38:25,744
And so when our desires change, your actions just naturally follow your.

542
00:38:26,584 --> 00:38:44,984
Right. And if you look at the young generation now, like from a global scale, but I guess mostly in countries where it was previously Christian, that the ratio of people believe in God and their behavior after that becomes there's consequences.

543
00:38:44,984 --> 00:39:13,044
Right. So what do you think is standing between like for those of whom who are struggling a little bit, because right now everybody is a little bit like with the society, like with, you know, like our mental state and everybody's traumatized and everybody has generations of generations of trauma coming, trickling down from history, from from the individual families and everybody carry all these wounds already within them.

544
00:39:13,044 --> 00:39:16,704
and we can all benefit from God's teaching.

545
00:39:17,124 --> 00:39:20,704
So what's standing between individuals

546
00:39:20,704 --> 00:39:23,704
finding their relationship to God?

547
00:39:23,844 --> 00:39:24,844
Probably humility,

548
00:39:25,284 --> 00:39:29,144
which is probably why Bitcoin leads you to Jesus

549
00:39:29,144 --> 00:39:31,364
is because we've got this,

550
00:39:31,444 --> 00:39:34,924
we grow up being told that humans are the apex.

551
00:39:34,924 --> 00:39:37,304
We're the top of the food chain.

552
00:39:37,864 --> 00:39:39,484
We're the only ones that were smart enough

553
00:39:39,484 --> 00:39:41,944
to be able to communicate with our voice boxes.

554
00:39:41,944 --> 00:39:44,564
We're the only ones that figured out the industrial revolution.

555
00:39:44,924 --> 00:39:46,464
We're the only ones that can build buildings.

556
00:39:46,584 --> 00:39:48,324
We're the only ones that have evolved.

557
00:39:48,984 --> 00:39:51,184
We completely take God out of this equation.

558
00:39:51,344 --> 00:39:55,244
For our entire formative years, we're taught, you are the luckiest.

559
00:39:55,584 --> 00:40:00,524
You know, the consequence of your ancestors' evolution has made you the apex.

560
00:40:01,044 --> 00:40:01,364
Congratulations.

561
00:40:01,984 --> 00:40:03,484
This is what it is.

562
00:40:03,684 --> 00:40:06,824
And you just naturally have this kind of ego and pride.

563
00:40:06,964 --> 00:40:09,284
And so now what does that ego and pride manifest?

564
00:40:09,284 --> 00:40:15,064
Well, if I'm the apex and we're just a happy accidents of molecules colliding, then I'm going to take what I want.

565
00:40:15,324 --> 00:40:16,024
I'm the apex.

566
00:40:16,244 --> 00:40:17,184
This girl looks good.

567
00:40:17,264 --> 00:40:18,004
Let me have her.

568
00:40:18,164 --> 00:40:18,464
Right.

569
00:40:18,544 --> 00:40:19,524
This food looks good.

570
00:40:19,584 --> 00:40:20,204
Let me have it.

571
00:40:20,244 --> 00:40:21,744
It's like, you know, I'm the apex.

572
00:40:21,984 --> 00:40:22,744
It's full of seed oils.

573
00:40:22,844 --> 00:40:23,284
Who cares?

574
00:40:23,404 --> 00:40:24,064
I'm the apex.

575
00:40:24,264 --> 00:40:25,724
There's a pill that can help me get skinny.

576
00:40:26,044 --> 00:40:26,664
Let me have it.

577
00:40:26,704 --> 00:40:27,284
I'm the apex.

578
00:40:27,684 --> 00:40:29,424
And then the Bible tells a different story.

579
00:40:29,844 --> 00:40:33,044
The Bible says you were knit together in your mother's womb.

580
00:40:33,044 --> 00:40:40,904
that something, someone, the creator made you for a purpose and made the earth for a purpose and has

581
00:40:40,904 --> 00:40:46,924
a plan for the earth and has, you know, loves the earth so much. It pains him so much when the earth

582
00:40:46,924 --> 00:40:53,704
goes into turmoil that he sent like his son to be perfect and then die. And like there's this

583
00:40:53,704 --> 00:40:58,444
spiritual warfare. And like the Bible tells a completely different story where you're part of

584
00:40:58,444 --> 00:41:04,024
a plan, you're not some apex creature that just gets to do whatever he wants. And, you know,

585
00:41:04,244 --> 00:41:09,424
when you become, when you become part of a plan that you don't really have much control of,

586
00:41:09,464 --> 00:41:14,024
we have free will, but we, you know, at the end of the day, the plan's going to happen with,

587
00:41:14,024 --> 00:41:21,344
with or without you. The plan is in motion. You're deterministic. No, I'm not a, I'm not a,

588
00:41:21,444 --> 00:41:26,464
I don't believe that the Bible is, is, is, I'm not like a Calvinist. I'm also not an Armenian

589
00:41:26,464 --> 00:41:27,264
or Armenian?

590
00:41:27,544 --> 00:41:27,984
What's the,

591
00:41:28,184 --> 00:41:28,644
what's the,

592
00:41:28,764 --> 00:41:29,384
have you heard of this?

593
00:41:29,804 --> 00:41:31,104
Like the other side?

594
00:41:31,144 --> 00:41:31,244
Yeah,

595
00:41:31,304 --> 00:41:31,944
the other side of it.

596
00:41:32,544 --> 00:41:33,784
My question here is,

597
00:41:34,184 --> 00:41:35,044
usually are you

598
00:41:35,044 --> 00:41:36,384
a probabilistic person

599
00:41:36,384 --> 00:41:37,404
or deterministic person?

600
00:41:37,644 --> 00:41:38,444
What's probabilistic?

601
00:41:38,564 --> 00:41:38,744
What is,

602
00:41:38,804 --> 00:41:39,464
how do you define this?

603
00:41:40,024 --> 00:41:41,084
What do you think

604
00:41:41,084 --> 00:41:42,324
is the nature of reality?

605
00:41:42,504 --> 00:41:42,624
Like,

606
00:41:42,664 --> 00:41:43,444
do you think the nature

607
00:41:43,444 --> 00:41:45,324
of reality is determinism,

608
00:41:45,444 --> 00:41:46,344
like deterministic,

609
00:41:46,564 --> 00:41:47,924
or is probabilistic?

610
00:41:48,204 --> 00:41:49,424
I would say probabilistic

611
00:41:49,424 --> 00:41:50,924
just because I hear that

612
00:41:50,924 --> 00:41:51,564
to be the opposite

613
00:41:51,564 --> 00:41:52,564
of determinist.

614
00:41:52,704 --> 00:41:53,444
I believe that

615
00:41:53,444 --> 00:41:55,044
God has given us

616
00:41:55,044 --> 00:41:55,764
free will.

617
00:41:55,764 --> 00:42:05,104
This is such a good question, actually, because we've been diving into this in our church series this last month is around like the it's called Behold Your God.

618
00:42:05,444 --> 00:42:17,124
And we talked about the sovereignty of God, which kind of like there are certain, you know, if you look at the story of Jesus, what the Bible says about the story of Jesus, it says that God planned Jesus's death, which is crazy.

619
00:42:17,464 --> 00:42:20,964
That's like, that would, you know, hint towards a determined society.

620
00:42:21,344 --> 00:42:26,924
However, it also says that the Roman Empire that killed Jesus acted in their own free

621
00:42:26,924 --> 00:42:28,184
will, which is like, what?

622
00:42:28,364 --> 00:42:32,084
You know, it's like God's playing chess with pieces that can move on their own.

623
00:42:32,524 --> 00:42:33,684
It doesn't make any sense to me.

624
00:42:33,684 --> 00:42:38,464
And so I think the Bible tells a very clear story that God has a plan.

625
00:42:38,804 --> 00:42:42,164
God has a plan for us and for our lives.

626
00:42:42,304 --> 00:42:45,244
But it also shows that we have free will to choose.

627
00:42:45,244 --> 00:42:54,144
God didn't just make a bunch of morally autonomous drones that just, you know, he's selected people to just be with or not.

628
00:42:54,424 --> 00:42:57,144
You know, look at like one of the most famous verses, John 3, 16.

629
00:42:57,724 --> 00:43:03,784
God so loved the world that whoever believes in him, it's not like it's not who God has chosen to believe in him.

630
00:43:03,844 --> 00:43:06,104
It's that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.

631
00:43:06,104 --> 00:43:16,004
This is the promise of God, that we have free will to find, to believe in, find, love, and then serve Jesus to have eternal life, glory in heaven.

632
00:43:16,224 --> 00:43:24,244
Cool note about glory in heaven, too, is that Jesus, there's a story of Jesus in the book of Matthew, where he's talking about his disciples ask him, who's the greatest in heaven?

633
00:43:24,604 --> 00:43:28,784
And he says, whoever humbles himself like a child will be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

634
00:43:28,864 --> 00:43:33,764
It's like, it's all these Bitcoiner things just wrapping up into the Bible, which is amazing.

635
00:43:34,304 --> 00:43:37,024
But I think that we have free will to operate.

636
00:43:37,404 --> 00:43:38,844
But I also believe that God is sovereign

637
00:43:38,844 --> 00:43:40,004
and that his plan will prevail.

638
00:43:40,424 --> 00:43:42,624
God knows us better than we know ourselves.

639
00:43:43,004 --> 00:43:46,844
I think he can probably anticipate our instincts.

640
00:43:47,264 --> 00:43:48,504
And, you know, you obviously,

641
00:43:48,684 --> 00:43:51,204
you don't have any free will over when and where you were born.

642
00:43:51,624 --> 00:43:53,844
And so maybe God, maybe that's God's orchestration.

643
00:43:54,224 --> 00:43:55,484
And he puts the pieces in place.

644
00:43:55,824 --> 00:43:56,924
He knows how people act.

645
00:43:57,264 --> 00:43:58,464
And so does he predetermine it?

646
00:43:58,584 --> 00:44:00,984
Or does he just rely on our free will?

647
00:44:01,184 --> 00:44:01,924
I have no idea.

648
00:44:01,924 --> 00:44:04,644
These things are way above my human brain.

649
00:44:05,104 --> 00:44:09,444
I feel sometimes like when I read the Bible and have these big thought provoking discussions,

650
00:44:09,864 --> 00:44:13,904
I feel like an ant trying to read blueprints for like the greatest building on earth.

651
00:44:14,004 --> 00:44:16,484
Like, you know, I just, I just can't, I can't fathom.

652
00:44:16,564 --> 00:44:17,204
I can't understand.

653
00:44:17,424 --> 00:44:23,004
But what I do know and have faith in is that there is God's macro plan in motion.

654
00:44:23,004 --> 00:44:25,164
And I deeply want to participate.

655
00:44:25,624 --> 00:44:27,064
I deeply want glory in heaven.

656
00:44:27,064 --> 00:44:32,084
And I deeply want to let Jesus's kingdom be on earth and to participate in that.

657
00:44:32,184 --> 00:44:35,984
And so I think I'm using my free will to, you know, to do that.

658
00:44:36,284 --> 00:44:37,084
Maybe I'm not.

659
00:44:37,164 --> 00:44:39,404
Maybe this is just like, well, you know, maybe not.

660
00:44:39,404 --> 00:44:41,884
But it feels free because I feel like I can stop at any time.

661
00:44:42,204 --> 00:44:45,764
I don't feel like I'm being manipulated or controlled.

662
00:44:46,664 --> 00:44:49,144
And so, yeah, I don't align.

663
00:44:49,304 --> 00:44:52,864
But I actually have a problem with these camps.

664
00:44:53,044 --> 00:44:56,324
Everything has a camp now, right?

665
00:44:56,324 --> 00:45:21,564
Are you, you know, are you predeterministic or are you probabilistic? Are you a libertarian or are you a socialist? Are you a Democrat or are you Republican? Are you a big blocker? Are you a small blocker? Are you a knots, core knots or core or are you a knots? Like we've got humans just love to get into camps. And really, this is, you know, are you a financial engineering fiat bro or are you a sovereign bitcoiner in self custody?

666
00:45:21,564 --> 00:45:24,124
Like we just put ourselves into these camps.

667
00:45:24,484 --> 00:45:25,684
Usually these camps have leaders.

668
00:45:26,084 --> 00:45:27,444
And I think we just need to do away with that.

669
00:45:27,604 --> 00:45:31,904
We need to get back to basics, back to like first principles thinking, you know, like

670
00:45:31,904 --> 00:45:35,344
Saylor does a lot of good things and he does a lot of bad things for Bitcoin, Michael Saylor.

671
00:45:35,644 --> 00:45:37,084
And it's like, that's okay.

672
00:45:37,304 --> 00:45:43,564
You can, you can, you don't need to be all in on MSTR to like, you know, to, to, to own

673
00:45:43,564 --> 00:45:43,864
the stock.

674
00:45:43,944 --> 00:45:44,424
Like, you know what I mean?

675
00:45:44,424 --> 00:45:49,244
Like you can just, you can just, the Bible doesn't show us a world of just dualism.

676
00:45:49,244 --> 00:45:56,204
It actually shows us a world of like multiple different paths converging into one creator's

677
00:45:56,204 --> 00:45:56,624
desire.

678
00:45:56,884 --> 00:46:02,044
And I want, if I could leave the earth, I would just get people out of their camps, slay

679
00:46:02,044 --> 00:46:10,064
your heroes, follow Jesus and get out of the self-identified politics or religion or like

680
00:46:10,064 --> 00:46:10,624
other things.

681
00:46:10,664 --> 00:46:15,764
Even, even within the church, you know, you look at Jesus comes centralized, then he decentralizes

682
00:46:15,764 --> 00:46:17,264
it, which is amazing.

683
00:46:17,264 --> 00:46:21,244
We have all these different, but then, and this is the problem with decentralization,

684
00:46:21,504 --> 00:46:24,964
we've got the Catholic church that kind of forms a few hundred years later.

685
00:46:25,444 --> 00:46:30,304
And then we've got this Protestants protesting what the Catholic church was doing.

686
00:46:30,404 --> 00:46:31,184
So we have to split.

687
00:46:31,264 --> 00:46:32,364
And now you're a Catholic or a Protestant.

688
00:46:32,544 --> 00:46:33,604
You're no longer a follower of Jesus.

689
00:46:33,784 --> 00:46:36,844
You're a Catholic or you're a Protestant and you're getting this camp.

690
00:46:36,984 --> 00:46:38,564
And now the Protestants are unhappy with each other.

691
00:46:38,644 --> 00:46:40,084
So now we've split there too.

692
00:46:40,144 --> 00:46:41,724
And now you've got these different denominations.

693
00:46:41,804 --> 00:46:43,724
And these denominations have happened a bunch of different times.

694
00:46:43,744 --> 00:46:44,804
And it's just like, come on.

695
00:46:44,804 --> 00:46:47,324
Like, are we arguing about Catholic or Protestantism?

696
00:46:47,424 --> 00:46:49,484
Or are we arguing about like, what does the Bible say?

697
00:46:49,544 --> 00:46:50,344
And how does Jesus look?

698
00:46:50,364 --> 00:46:52,504
And I think that we try to get back to those basics.

699
00:46:52,844 --> 00:46:54,504
If you think about it, it's about the teaching itself.

700
00:46:54,504 --> 00:46:55,944
It's about the wisdom.

701
00:46:55,944 --> 00:47:01,624
It's not about who said what, when, how, you know, like, it's not about who is fighting,

702
00:47:01,724 --> 00:47:03,204
who is about the word being said.

703
00:47:03,324 --> 00:47:04,504
Are they wise?

704
00:47:04,664 --> 00:47:05,644
Can you learn something from it?

705
00:47:05,844 --> 00:47:07,644
And that's the most important thing.

706
00:47:07,644 --> 00:47:14,384
And I have a slightly kind of different experience with God, I guess, my path to spirituality.

707
00:47:14,804 --> 00:47:18,024
And this relationship came from, was a Bitcoiner actually.

708
00:47:18,184 --> 00:47:25,324
We had this discussion and I brought up in an ACS society, I brought up from an ACS family.

709
00:47:25,324 --> 00:47:30,964
I was always into spiritual things without pointing fingers at it.

710
00:47:31,064 --> 00:47:37,084
I was always into psychology, human minds and all, which kind of led me to Bitcoin in a way.

711
00:47:37,324 --> 00:47:42,044
And then I had this conversation with a Bitcoiner and he was talking about this peer-to-peer relationship with God.

712
00:47:42,044 --> 00:47:45,144
And then I was, it got stuck with me somehow.

713
00:47:45,324 --> 00:47:47,444
I was like peer to peer relationship with God.

714
00:47:47,584 --> 00:47:51,364
I was just contemplating that word and going through my life challenges, right?

715
00:47:51,424 --> 00:47:52,564
And then I was like, okay.

716
00:47:52,744 --> 00:47:56,364
And then I started to think about it in the back of my mind.

717
00:47:56,444 --> 00:48:00,204
And then I start to have experiences that are random.

718
00:48:00,464 --> 00:48:06,104
I would have random conversations and they would say things to me that are,

719
00:48:06,224 --> 00:48:08,344
you can tell that are really, really genuine.

720
00:48:08,684 --> 00:48:09,864
They're really, really genuine.

721
00:48:09,864 --> 00:48:16,584
and then they would be like jesus loves you god loves you and they would be like as they would

722
00:48:16,584 --> 00:48:22,764
show up as messengers and give me fruitful thoughts and then i developed i started to

723
00:48:22,764 --> 00:48:28,464
develop this relationship because i didn't grow up with jesus teaching like i'm not literal in that

724
00:48:28,464 --> 00:48:35,304
sense in a religious sense so i just going through my life and and basically have an open heart

725
00:48:35,304 --> 00:48:43,164
wanting to learn because I was lost. And then last summer, I had this experience where I was just by

726
00:48:43,164 --> 00:48:48,204
the beach and I was sitting on the bench and having a moment and not in a good mood, but I was just

727
00:48:48,204 --> 00:48:53,784
whatever. And then this random guy came over and sat on the same bench with some distance and started

728
00:48:53,784 --> 00:49:00,004
to eat his sandwich with no words being spoken and all. And then I just felt this whatever and I

729
00:49:00,004 --> 00:49:05,744
start crying whoa i just started crying on the bench and then i started like the the tears trickled

730
00:49:05,744 --> 00:49:11,064
down and then and then like two minutes later i couldn't contain and i was like started to make

731
00:49:11,064 --> 00:49:16,484
sound and then he was just sitting there eating his sandwich just sat there right and like no no

732
00:49:16,484 --> 00:49:23,424
contact or anything no no words and then when he was finally done he looked at me and he said jesus

733
00:49:23,424 --> 00:49:31,024
loves you and then he walked away wow that was it like no name no nothing and he walked away and

734
00:49:31,024 --> 00:49:36,464
he was a little bit limping and i was like what and then i i was looking at him walking away

735
00:49:36,464 --> 00:49:44,324
and as he was walking far enough for one second he was almost stopping to limp like he was like

736
00:49:44,324 --> 00:49:52,524
walking as normal wow and two days before that two days before that another incident

737
00:49:52,524 --> 00:49:56,044
different location by myself, by the beach, on the bench.

738
00:49:56,344 --> 00:49:59,584
And there's this guy walked past me.

739
00:49:59,764 --> 00:50:01,264
It was like this seawall.

740
00:50:01,564 --> 00:50:03,044
So they're walking, walking, walking.

741
00:50:03,204 --> 00:50:06,184
And he was looking at me when he was approaching me.

742
00:50:06,264 --> 00:50:07,744
And our eyes crossed.

743
00:50:08,004 --> 00:50:10,184
He slowed down as he was walking.

744
00:50:10,324 --> 00:50:11,704
And we were just looking at each other.

745
00:50:11,704 --> 00:50:13,804
And he walked, he walked, he walked.

746
00:50:13,904 --> 00:50:16,084
And he finally, just before walking away,

747
00:50:16,244 --> 00:50:18,164
he stopped and he sat down next to me.

748
00:50:18,644 --> 00:50:19,464
On the seawall?

749
00:50:19,904 --> 00:50:20,064
Yeah.

750
00:50:20,064 --> 00:50:20,344
Okay.

751
00:50:20,484 --> 00:50:21,464
And he sat down next to me.

752
00:50:21,464 --> 00:50:24,804
And then he said, he said, I'm sorry, you have to go through this.

753
00:50:24,924 --> 00:50:28,744
He basically sat down next to me and prayed for me.

754
00:50:28,964 --> 00:50:30,664
He was like, can I pray for you?

755
00:50:30,944 --> 00:50:31,944
And then I said, OK.

756
00:50:32,344 --> 00:50:40,084
And then he prayed for me next to me, had like a one minute long prayer for my health, for my mood and everything.

757
00:50:40,424 --> 00:50:41,384
I wish you a great life.

758
00:50:41,444 --> 00:50:41,684
Goodbye.

759
00:50:41,864 --> 00:50:42,684
And then he walked away.

760
00:50:42,744 --> 00:50:44,884
This is two days before the stranger on the bench.

761
00:50:45,084 --> 00:50:45,464
Holy smokes.

762
00:50:46,084 --> 00:50:46,664
What a week.

763
00:50:46,664 --> 00:50:50,584
So I have some of these experiences, like random conversations.

764
00:50:50,584 --> 00:50:53,964
and then I learned to develop this relationship with God

765
00:50:53,964 --> 00:50:57,744
where if I need, I don't pray often.

766
00:50:58,104 --> 00:51:00,724
And when I pray, I'm usually in deep shit.

767
00:51:00,864 --> 00:51:03,364
Like I feel like I'm in deep shit and I'm like, I need to pray.

768
00:51:03,544 --> 00:51:06,084
And I always have one prayer, just one.

769
00:51:06,384 --> 00:51:08,384
And I would always say, thank you.

770
00:51:08,604 --> 00:51:10,704
I would only say thank you.

771
00:51:10,704 --> 00:51:13,504
Because I know there's, I'm personally deterministic

772
00:51:13,504 --> 00:51:15,564
and I think there's a reason why I'm here.

773
00:51:16,044 --> 00:51:20,244
And my faith in this is that everything happens for a reason.

774
00:51:20,244 --> 00:51:28,244
for the better. And if I can't see it yet, that's fine. I already know. I just need to trust. I just

775
00:51:28,244 --> 00:51:34,004
need to have faith that it is for the better. So I'm in these moments, I'm saying thank you because

776
00:51:34,004 --> 00:51:39,904
I know it's better for the better. I don't know it yet. You know better and you put me through this.

777
00:51:39,924 --> 00:51:44,044
So thank you very much because I know the best is yet to come. That's a cool mindset. There's

778
00:51:44,044 --> 00:51:49,584
biblical evidence of this in the, I think it's the book of Corinthians. The author is called Paul

779
00:51:49,584 --> 00:51:52,124
and Paul's writing a letter to the church of Corinth.

780
00:51:52,344 --> 00:51:53,504
And he, I think as Corinthians,

781
00:51:53,804 --> 00:51:55,024
I'm gonna make me wrong on this,

782
00:51:55,084 --> 00:51:59,804
but he basically says that it is only because of Jesus's death

783
00:51:59,804 --> 00:52:03,224
that Jews get to be in heaven.

784
00:52:03,564 --> 00:52:06,444
And that's such a crazy like mindset,

785
00:52:06,584 --> 00:52:09,064
Jews and Gentiles, both Gentiles being non-Jewish people,

786
00:52:09,264 --> 00:52:11,904
both get to be in heaven.

787
00:52:12,004 --> 00:52:14,744
And so to your point, like taking this horrific evil

788
00:52:14,744 --> 00:52:19,664
that was able to, you know, change the world.

789
00:52:19,764 --> 00:52:20,704
And so to your, you know,

790
00:52:20,764 --> 00:52:22,764
to your kind of like deterministic mindset,

791
00:52:23,144 --> 00:52:25,064
it's like, and this is where I get stuck

792
00:52:25,064 --> 00:52:28,984
in this determinist versus free will piece is,

793
00:52:29,984 --> 00:52:31,984
you know, we're taught, we're told

794
00:52:31,984 --> 00:52:35,224
there's biblical evidence that God will use all things

795
00:52:35,224 --> 00:52:37,124
for his glory and our good.

796
00:52:37,364 --> 00:52:40,804
And that's a really important deep faith and trust

797
00:52:40,804 --> 00:52:43,524
that you need to have to, you know, say thank you.

798
00:52:43,524 --> 00:52:45,164
It's challenging to do.

799
00:52:45,424 --> 00:52:46,944
What to act after that, right?

800
00:52:47,044 --> 00:52:48,164
Like we always have to,

801
00:52:48,444 --> 00:52:51,184
I think the biggest difference that I had

802
00:52:51,184 --> 00:52:53,624
after being in contact with God

803
00:52:53,624 --> 00:52:54,684
and having this relationship

804
00:52:54,684 --> 00:52:56,564
is really having the higher self

805
00:52:56,564 --> 00:52:57,624
stepping in way more.

806
00:52:57,784 --> 00:53:00,644
It's really having embodied the God consciousness.

807
00:53:00,864 --> 00:53:01,944
Like what would Jesus do?

808
00:53:02,084 --> 00:53:05,124
What would the God do in this situation?

809
00:53:05,284 --> 00:53:07,044
And then you remove yourself, right?

810
00:53:07,124 --> 00:53:10,284
To the point that it's God acts.

811
00:53:10,584 --> 00:53:11,424
Yeah, yeah.

812
00:53:11,424 --> 00:53:14,764
And having the humility to pursue that.

813
00:53:15,064 --> 00:53:17,904
But at the same time, if you say that, God act through you.

814
00:53:18,064 --> 00:53:22,124
That's a tremendously, seemingly egotistic thing to say.

815
00:53:22,364 --> 00:53:29,864
So my next question is, what is your relationship with ego in the context of spirituality and Bitcoin?

816
00:53:30,044 --> 00:53:33,604
Because we say, we say, stay humble, stack sets.

817
00:53:33,824 --> 00:53:40,724
But we see Bitcoiners or just people around us in general, sometimes not humble, sometimes not stacking sets.

818
00:53:40,724 --> 00:53:42,644
where sometimes that can't match that.

819
00:53:44,444 --> 00:53:48,804
What is the, like, where do you think the ego comes in here,

820
00:53:48,904 --> 00:53:50,164
like, to play a part?

821
00:53:50,524 --> 00:53:54,284
And how can we, like, what is your personal relationship with ego?

822
00:53:54,404 --> 00:53:57,424
And what is the transformation you have to go through with ego

823
00:53:57,424 --> 00:53:59,604
to be where you are, be the person you are?

824
00:53:59,924 --> 00:54:01,664
Yeah, I think my ego is an interesting one

825
00:54:01,664 --> 00:54:04,984
because I definitely really like speaking.

826
00:54:05,344 --> 00:54:08,424
I like, I love influencing and inspiring people.

827
00:54:08,424 --> 00:54:13,164
I mean my personal mission is just to inspire the next generation I just I just deeply want the next

828
00:54:13,164 --> 00:54:17,404
generation to thrive and I believe in generational wealth and prosperity I believe in generational

829
00:54:17,404 --> 00:54:21,904
faith I believe in generational trauma like I believe that I mean even the bible like we're

830
00:54:21,904 --> 00:54:26,164
called to leave an inheritance to our children's children like that's the calling of the bible

831
00:54:26,164 --> 00:54:32,304
which I align with yeah I think that means set set the next generation up for success and I think

832
00:54:32,304 --> 00:54:37,604
that ultimately comes from thinking about somebody else before yourself is kind of like the definition

833
00:54:37,604 --> 00:54:40,224
of a cooled, of a chilled ego.

834
00:54:40,484 --> 00:54:43,244
And I think that I'm probably getting it wrong

835
00:54:43,244 --> 00:54:44,184
in a lot of spots.

836
00:54:44,184 --> 00:54:46,844
And I'm definitely hoping that I'm able

837
00:54:46,844 --> 00:54:49,664
to take the feedback when someone points that out.

838
00:54:49,764 --> 00:54:51,884
And I think that ego, ego is such a,

839
00:54:52,064 --> 00:54:55,124
without ego, with no ego, you're apathetic.

840
00:54:55,244 --> 00:54:56,384
And that's not good.

841
00:54:56,584 --> 00:54:58,244
With too much ego, you're prideful.

842
00:54:58,744 --> 00:54:59,804
And you're the driver.

843
00:55:00,044 --> 00:55:02,124
And your desires trump everything.

844
00:55:02,304 --> 00:55:03,004
And that's not good.

845
00:55:03,184 --> 00:55:05,624
And so like everything, it's just balance.

846
00:55:05,624 --> 00:55:10,544
And it's having having Alex Formosie says this thing about like entrepreneurs.

847
00:55:11,024 --> 00:55:13,904
He says entrepreneurs have have three traits.

848
00:55:14,344 --> 00:55:20,284
One is this this delusional confidence that they can do absolutely anything.

849
00:55:20,724 --> 00:55:25,824
Two is this horrific fear that they'll never be able to do it.

850
00:55:26,124 --> 00:55:40,466
And then the third is this like I don care attitude and that nobody can get in their way And I think that those three things pulling and pushing all together it just equilibrium and finding the equilibrium between those three forces

851
00:55:40,886 --> 00:55:48,286
the confidence, the fear and the like attitude, I guess, where there's yeah. And then obviously

852
00:55:48,286 --> 00:55:52,386
all of that driving you towards towards a purpose towards God's plan for your life.

853
00:55:52,386 --> 00:55:56,426
And that's probably where where I align. So yeah, what do you have to do? I think it's just

854
00:55:56,426 --> 00:56:02,226
constant feedback and fix it. Right, right. What does that balance look like for you?

855
00:56:02,226 --> 00:56:09,826
Um, I think it's running towards pain, running towards discomfort. It's probably seeking out

856
00:56:09,826 --> 00:56:18,786
feedback, right? Reducing yes men and driving towards actual betterment, actual improvement.

857
00:56:18,786 --> 00:56:25,126
Yeah, I think for me, it's just being really open to pain and discomfort.

858
00:56:25,606 --> 00:56:34,646
And then, yeah, I think ultimately it's just like faith and faith and understanding in God's sovereignty over the world, I would say.

859
00:56:35,226 --> 00:56:41,686
Interesting. You say your answer is running towards discomfort when the question is how to balance the ego, right?

860
00:56:41,686 --> 00:56:44,926
because that means because that's actually spot on.

861
00:56:45,066 --> 00:56:50,046
If you think about it, you have to be able to just brush it off

862
00:56:50,046 --> 00:56:55,366
when your ego is hurt and stand up and go on to do your thing

863
00:56:55,366 --> 00:56:58,846
and move towards your mission instead of saying, oh, my ego is hurt.

864
00:56:58,946 --> 00:57:01,046
Yeah, yeah. Crying a hole. You get all sad.

865
00:57:01,906 --> 00:57:04,286
Yeah, right. So I think that's a really great way to put it.

866
00:57:04,526 --> 00:57:08,466
Let's talk about love because when we get into the Jesus lessons

867
00:57:08,466 --> 00:57:11,066
and God's teaching, like a lot of it is love.

868
00:57:11,166 --> 00:57:11,766
God is love.

869
00:57:12,426 --> 00:57:14,106
And to this day,

870
00:57:15,226 --> 00:57:17,026
when you're just wandering around,

871
00:57:17,246 --> 00:57:18,066
interacting with people,

872
00:57:18,186 --> 00:57:21,606
can you tell just by brief interactions

873
00:57:21,606 --> 00:57:23,746
or just by looking at them,

874
00:57:23,826 --> 00:57:24,946
their relationship with God?

875
00:57:25,266 --> 00:57:26,506
You know, I'd like to think so,

876
00:57:26,626 --> 00:57:28,146
but I also...

877
00:57:28,146 --> 00:57:29,386
Have an educated guess.

878
00:57:29,566 --> 00:57:30,886
I probably have an educated guess.

879
00:57:31,006 --> 00:57:32,546
And probably, you know,

880
00:57:32,986 --> 00:57:34,626
I mean, really, when we interact with someone,

881
00:57:34,826 --> 00:57:36,146
we're having one of two responses.

882
00:57:36,586 --> 00:57:37,986
I want to be like that person

883
00:57:37,986 --> 00:57:39,526
or I don't want to be like that person.

884
00:57:39,906 --> 00:57:42,966
And so, you know, in my mind, there's objectivity in that.

885
00:57:43,106 --> 00:57:45,566
I think that objectively speaking, we're not all the same,

886
00:57:45,666 --> 00:57:47,926
but we all should want to be like God.

887
00:57:48,046 --> 00:57:50,926
And I'd like to think that I have a good understanding

888
00:57:50,926 --> 00:57:55,606
of, you know, what, who God is and what he calls us to do.

889
00:57:55,606 --> 00:57:57,266
I think ultimately what that comes down to

890
00:57:57,266 --> 00:58:00,046
is a level of humility that is unmatched,

891
00:58:00,226 --> 00:58:02,266
coupled with this servant leadership,

892
00:58:02,546 --> 00:58:05,006
which probably stems from humility, but like, you know,

893
00:58:05,166 --> 00:58:07,626
the servant leadership is, I think, the big one.

894
00:58:07,626 --> 00:58:11,326
Can you die to your ego and serve someone that you perceive to be lesser than?

895
00:58:11,566 --> 00:58:16,306
And, you know, if someone's not willing or able to do that, then, you know, I don't want to be like that person.

896
00:58:16,466 --> 00:58:20,946
I'm inspired by people that are by all worldly metrics superior.

897
00:58:21,446 --> 00:58:26,146
Right. This apex kind of concept that we talked about earlier, but that their actions don't display that.

898
00:58:26,226 --> 00:58:28,686
I think that's really cool. So, yeah, that's how I like judge.

899
00:58:28,766 --> 00:58:32,006
But then we're called not to judge. So it's tough.

900
00:58:32,006 --> 00:58:39,866
I'm asking about ego in that context is because I've been I came up with this question and I asked myself and I have a guess.

901
00:58:40,006 --> 00:58:42,026
So I wanted to hear your answer on that.

902
00:58:42,306 --> 00:58:49,506
Like I was wondering to myself, if God has God complex, would it make God less God?

903
00:58:49,666 --> 00:58:50,186
Good question.

904
00:58:50,446 --> 00:58:55,646
I don't think God can have God complex because he is God.

905
00:58:55,646 --> 00:59:00,926
I think that God, you know, when you read the Bible, like God gets to be egotistical.

906
00:59:00,926 --> 00:59:09,026
like we are we are called to worship we're called to praise him and only him like god's got god's

907
00:59:09,026 --> 00:59:16,046
got all these characteristics of like uh you know like a terrible narcissist so god don't have to

908
00:59:16,046 --> 00:59:22,726
stay humble well no because he he's here because of him and i think the humility that we have

909
00:59:22,726 --> 00:59:29,366
we're we're humble before god because he's our creator right because he chose to put us here

910
00:59:29,366 --> 00:59:32,286
because he could take it all away in a second.

911
00:59:32,566 --> 00:59:34,046
And we're petrified.

912
00:59:34,246 --> 00:59:35,606
Like that's too much glory.

913
00:59:35,826 --> 00:59:37,186
That's like, whoa.

914
00:59:38,866 --> 00:59:41,046
No human can make that claim.

915
00:59:41,426 --> 00:59:44,306
And so because God is outside of time,

916
00:59:44,606 --> 00:59:45,746
God created time.

917
00:59:46,066 --> 00:59:48,326
God is timeless.

918
00:59:48,646 --> 00:59:49,546
God is formless.

919
00:59:49,706 --> 00:59:52,286
God is everywhere and nowhere all at once.

920
00:59:52,286 --> 00:59:55,086
Like God snapped his fingers and made the sun,

921
00:59:55,286 --> 00:59:56,946
the ball of perma energy.

922
00:59:57,206 --> 00:59:58,806
Like God is everything.

923
00:59:58,806 --> 01:00:02,246
Anyone less than everything doesn't get to make that claim.

924
01:00:02,486 --> 01:00:06,206
But because God is everything, made everything, can take everything away.

925
01:00:06,446 --> 01:00:07,366
I think he gets to be.

926
01:00:07,506 --> 01:00:11,086
If God is everything, aren't we part of that?

927
01:00:11,306 --> 01:00:13,066
Yeah, so this is the right question.

928
01:00:13,286 --> 01:00:19,486
So there is a, there's some logic that can get there on the like, we are all,

929
01:00:19,686 --> 01:00:23,546
this is like the universalism type of theology, right?

930
01:00:23,546 --> 01:00:32,166
I don't align with this ideology because I can't get to the natural heaven.

931
01:00:32,626 --> 01:00:33,606
Heaven becomes earth.

932
01:00:34,646 --> 01:00:37,606
And the Bible tells us very clearly that heaven is perfect.

933
01:00:37,926 --> 01:00:38,806
Heaven is without pain.

934
01:00:39,046 --> 01:00:40,086
Heaven is without suffering.

935
01:00:40,446 --> 01:00:42,506
Heaven is really just eternity with God.

936
01:00:42,726 --> 01:00:45,746
And it's very clear that it's eternity with God, not as God.

937
01:00:45,746 --> 01:00:59,746
And I think that for that reason, I probably don't align with the idea that we are, that God is in us, that we need to like find him.

938
01:00:59,906 --> 01:01:08,106
I think that the Holy Spirit is in us and that's from God, not by God in us, if that's making any kind of sense.

939
01:01:08,106 --> 01:01:23,026
Yeah, I see what you mean. Speaking of love, God being love, if we were to tell you, where do you find the difference of decisions where it comes from love or where it comes from fear?

940
01:01:23,026 --> 01:01:37,826
I mean, is there a difference? Both those are just emotions that I think fear comes out of the idea of losing something. Love comes out of the desire of building someone else.

941
01:01:38,106 --> 01:01:42,366
up. And so it just probably depends on your motive. I think that that's actually a really

942
01:01:42,366 --> 01:01:47,366
interesting thought to dive down is like, and really only you get to, you know, only you get to

943
01:01:47,366 --> 01:01:55,106
kind of decide that like, you can arguably give your wife the best possible life on paper,

944
01:01:55,106 --> 01:02:01,066
and it be wrong, because you only did that to be able to say that you did that, or, or because

945
01:02:01,066 --> 01:02:06,006
she'll, she'll give you what you want, right? Like, are you willing and able to love someone

946
01:02:06,006 --> 01:02:12,646
so much and ask for nothing in return is really what the deepest form of of acting out of love

947
01:02:12,646 --> 01:02:18,346
would be and i think that we'd all like to say yes but like you know test it like you know just

948
01:02:18,346 --> 01:02:27,046
be self-aware and and test it uh can your you know can your wife just be miserable and not do

949
01:02:27,046 --> 01:02:32,006
anything and you know you guys don't have intimate time and like none of this stuff and you still

950
01:02:32,006 --> 01:02:37,546
want to serve her can this happen for a day for a week for a month for a year for a decade and can

951
01:02:37,546 --> 01:02:43,106
like and like the funny thing is if you were just relentlessly trying to serve your spouse you know

952
01:02:43,106 --> 01:02:48,426
they will just want to serve you back like you know we we get what we want by serving the other

953
01:02:48,426 --> 01:02:53,886
but only if it's genuine and yeah you know i would argue that your servant leadership stops when you

954
01:02:53,886 --> 01:03:00,106
start asking for something in return right right and what is how has kind of spirituality or bitcoin

955
01:03:00,106 --> 01:03:05,286
to have impacted your relationship because you've really matured in that process, right? You've

956
01:03:05,286 --> 01:03:10,786
become a husband, you've become a father. And how have these kind of ESOs that made you adapt

957
01:03:10,786 --> 01:03:15,426
certain behaviors or values in your relationship that you probably wouldn't have? Yeah, I think

958
01:03:15,426 --> 01:03:21,506
it's low time preference and humility. And actually, like, pragmatically, my wife and I,

959
01:03:21,826 --> 01:03:25,566
about a year ago, maybe a little bit longer, actually, yeah, longer, maybe a year and a half

960
01:03:25,566 --> 01:03:32,066
ago now. We sat down. So we've been planning and running a system called Traction at work at

961
01:03:32,066 --> 01:03:36,226
Bitcoin Well, and we run it at GetBased also. And it's basically this concept of like having this

962
01:03:36,226 --> 01:03:43,546
insane 10 year BHAG and then just working backwards from that. And it's going so well at work at the

963
01:03:43,546 --> 01:03:47,426
companies that I was kind of just like, we should do this at home too. So my wife and I sat down

964
01:03:47,426 --> 01:03:51,566
very intentionally. We said, okay, our youngest was or our oldest was about seven. We were kind

965
01:03:51,566 --> 01:03:55,046
I'm like, all right, 10 years from now, like he's adult, right?

966
01:03:55,206 --> 01:03:59,406
What does our life need to look like for us to be considered,

967
01:03:59,646 --> 01:04:00,986
for us to be like, we did it.

968
01:04:01,066 --> 01:04:03,446
Like we're happy with where we ended up.

969
01:04:04,626 --> 01:04:07,426
And it was like us and the kids are in love with the Lord.

970
01:04:07,566 --> 01:04:08,686
That's first and foremost.

971
01:04:09,026 --> 01:04:10,746
Her and I have a tremendous relationship.

972
01:04:10,746 --> 01:04:14,906
The kids all have the idea and the understanding of,

973
01:04:14,966 --> 01:04:17,146
you know, what a healthy relationship looks like.

974
01:04:17,146 --> 01:04:23,286
you know we have the we're stewarding God's resources appropriately you know we have lots

975
01:04:23,286 --> 01:04:28,506
and lots of kids the kids themselves have their own relationship like so we started having

976
01:04:28,506 --> 01:04:34,946
just this amazing brainstorm of what is does 10 years now look like and they're like okay that's

977
01:04:34,946 --> 01:04:39,846
true in 10 years what is has to happen in three years for us to be on track and what about this

978
01:04:39,846 --> 01:04:45,546
year and then what about right now and since doing that that single very intentional and you'll learn

979
01:04:45,546 --> 01:04:47,326
that you and your wife

980
01:04:47,326 --> 01:04:48,646
or you and your husband,

981
01:04:48,986 --> 01:04:51,806
you're probably wanting different things

982
01:04:51,806 --> 01:04:53,426
and you get to come together

983
01:04:53,426 --> 01:04:56,466
to now have one single family mission.

984
01:04:56,666 --> 01:04:58,946
You have, and now when her and I make decisions,

985
01:04:59,286 --> 01:05:00,826
it's just like, how does this help?

986
01:05:00,906 --> 01:05:01,766
How does this hurt, right?

987
01:05:01,866 --> 01:05:02,906
There's the 10-year vision.

988
01:05:03,146 --> 01:05:03,826
There's the goal.

989
01:05:04,386 --> 01:05:05,666
Are we closer or further away?

990
01:05:07,226 --> 01:05:08,846
Then my question here is this,

991
01:05:08,886 --> 01:05:09,626
it's about commitment

992
01:05:09,626 --> 01:05:10,926
because right now,

993
01:05:10,986 --> 01:05:12,766
like there's a lot of big winners maturing

994
01:05:12,766 --> 01:05:13,566
and going through,

995
01:05:13,786 --> 01:05:14,746
going to the season of,

996
01:05:14,746 --> 01:05:20,706
okay now it's time to now i have some money yeah and good for you right good for you and now now

997
01:05:20,706 --> 01:05:24,546
what right and they're thinking about building a family and then they're thinking about starting

998
01:05:24,546 --> 01:05:29,986
or maintaining their long-term relationship and doing something with it and what you said was

999
01:05:29,986 --> 01:05:36,666
deeply touching and was really reassuring from a female's perspective because i know that girls

1000
01:05:36,666 --> 01:05:41,566
aren't like this right if if they're treated nicely if they're they're treated fairly and

1001
01:05:41,566 --> 01:05:49,386
they're loved and nurtured then they have a lot of emotional energy and nurturing energy for their

1002
01:05:49,386 --> 01:05:56,426
spouse for their kids because they're that motherly from instinct right so but it was a lot

1003
01:05:56,426 --> 01:06:03,426
sometimes for men to say i want to be serving my wife because they are thinking i have a wife and

1004
01:06:03,426 --> 01:06:08,706
she serves me yeah so so for those of whom who are looking for love who are looking for starting

1005
01:06:08,706 --> 01:06:14,966
a family both men women because we have this saying as post-modern individuals i guess like

1006
01:06:14,966 --> 01:06:21,526
all together that oh what can i get out of this so how can we what is something that you can say to

1007
01:06:21,526 --> 01:06:26,946
single folks out there who are looking for love looking for relationship something that they can

1008
01:06:26,946 --> 01:06:30,646
shift their mindset and they could really benefit their relationship in the long term

1009
01:06:30,646 --> 01:06:37,766
find someone that you are very very happy to serve it's just like you know like and think of it

1010
01:06:37,766 --> 01:06:44,066
honestly, you know, when you, we at Bitcoin Well, we've, I've probably hired over the span of

1011
01:06:44,066 --> 01:06:49,146
Bitcoin Well, over 250 people. And we have a much smaller team than that. But, you know,

1012
01:06:49,166 --> 01:06:54,206
the rotating door and the upswings and downswings and all this craziness. And I love the interviews

1013
01:06:54,206 --> 01:06:58,646
where I'm interviewing them. What can you give to me? But they're also interviewing me, right?

1014
01:06:58,686 --> 01:07:02,826
How is the company? What is the pay going to be? Is there incentive? Is there work life? You know,

1015
01:07:02,826 --> 01:07:07,306
we don't have any work life balance, but it's like, you know, do I get vacation? What is the

1016
01:07:07,306 --> 01:07:12,866
culture like? What is the leadership style like? And I think that for, you know, we should approach

1017
01:07:12,866 --> 01:07:18,966
our relationships the same way. I am simultaneously asking the team member, what can you give me?

1018
01:07:19,186 --> 01:07:24,846
And I'm showcasing what I can give to you. And that's actually how we start all of our job

1019
01:07:24,846 --> 01:07:29,186
descriptions is here's what Bitcoin Well can offer you. Now, here's what we need from you.

1020
01:07:29,186 --> 01:07:33,206
And I think if we approach relationships the same way, you know, hey, beautiful lady,

1021
01:07:33,206 --> 01:07:35,586
here's what I can offer you, right?

1022
01:07:35,786 --> 01:07:37,186
I'm not perfect, right?

1023
01:07:37,366 --> 01:07:38,206
And that's a Bitcoin wealth.

1024
01:07:38,346 --> 01:07:39,606
We're not going to pay the highest salary.

1025
01:07:39,786 --> 01:07:40,426
We can't afford it.

1026
01:07:40,526 --> 01:07:41,406
We're not, you know,

1027
01:07:41,486 --> 01:07:43,066
we're not going to fly you all over the world

1028
01:07:43,066 --> 01:07:44,366
to go to every single Bitcoin conference.

1029
01:07:44,446 --> 01:07:45,086
We can't afford it,

1030
01:07:45,146 --> 01:07:46,566
but we're going to change the world.

1031
01:07:46,926 --> 01:07:48,126
We're going to enable independence.

1032
01:07:48,406 --> 01:07:50,846
We're going to pursue the Bitcoin standard relentlessly.

1033
01:07:51,286 --> 01:07:52,126
This is our promise to you.

1034
01:07:52,166 --> 01:07:52,926
Do you want to be a part of that?

1035
01:07:53,226 --> 01:07:53,766
Okay, great.

1036
01:07:53,966 --> 01:07:55,626
If so, here's what we need from you.

1037
01:07:55,726 --> 01:07:57,246
And so it's like, hey, beautiful lady,

1038
01:07:57,486 --> 01:07:58,826
here's what I can give to you.

1039
01:07:59,006 --> 01:08:00,466
Here's all of my best qualities.

1040
01:08:00,866 --> 01:08:01,766
And here's my flaws.

1041
01:08:01,766 --> 01:08:03,646
You know, here's what I'm looking for.

1042
01:08:03,766 --> 01:08:04,406
Are we fit?

1043
01:08:04,766 --> 01:08:06,246
And now it's bullshit.

1044
01:08:06,426 --> 01:08:07,046
Yeah, that's right.

1045
01:08:07,206 --> 01:08:09,026
Just like, just get to the point.

1046
01:08:09,146 --> 01:08:11,046
It's like, there you have it.

1047
01:08:11,386 --> 01:08:16,406
There's this amazing thing that I saw about the man-women roles.

1048
01:08:16,706 --> 01:08:21,526
And a man's job is to like make or buy the house.

1049
01:08:21,706 --> 01:08:24,106
But a woman's job is to make that a home.

1050
01:08:24,546 --> 01:08:29,406
And women think like men can go from zero to one and women go from one to 10.

1051
01:08:29,406 --> 01:08:41,866
And they they take all the resources like, you know, and I'm not saying this in like the like I'm just saying they bring such an amplification energy to a man.

1052
01:08:42,006 --> 01:08:45,046
And it's such a beautiful harmony.

1053
01:08:45,286 --> 01:08:45,966
It's amazing.

1054
01:08:47,126 --> 01:08:47,826
It's both ways.

1055
01:08:48,246 --> 01:08:48,566
Absolutely.

1056
01:08:48,906 --> 01:08:57,566
Well, if there's nothing nothing to amplify, you know, and and at the same time, if you know, if the man can't appreciate the amplification, then that's also a problem.

1057
01:08:57,566 --> 01:09:01,486
And I think that, you know, we misquote the Bible so frequently.

1058
01:09:01,766 --> 01:09:05,726
The Bible says that women are meant to serve their husbands.

1059
01:09:05,986 --> 01:09:07,426
And lots of women have a hard time with that.

1060
01:09:07,746 --> 01:09:08,706
And men ignore this part.

1061
01:09:09,086 --> 01:09:14,826
The Bible also says that husbands are supposed to love their wives as Christ loves the church.

1062
01:09:15,066 --> 01:09:24,066
And when you look at Jesus's life, you look at someone who literally suffered the most painful death in the pursuit of the church's prosperity.

1063
01:09:24,206 --> 01:09:27,146
And it's like, you know, okay, women, serve your husband.

1064
01:09:27,146 --> 01:09:34,346
husband, you know, get whipped and lash and crucified and take the burden of the world

1065
01:09:34,346 --> 01:09:40,286
for your wife. And that sounds like a two way street to me. That's not a one way street. That's

1066
01:09:40,286 --> 01:09:46,286
like, that's not women serving men. That is a partnership. It is a partnership. Yes. Going

1067
01:09:46,286 --> 01:09:51,406
going towards. Yeah. Going towards Jesus. And I think that's cool. I think this is great because

1068
01:09:51,406 --> 01:09:56,126
number one thing people need to understand that it is a partnership. It's not a it's not necessarily

1069
01:09:56,126 --> 01:10:00,826
about infatuation or passion or all these jazz.

1070
01:10:01,166 --> 01:10:01,286
Yeah, yeah.

1071
01:10:01,486 --> 01:10:05,066
Marrying for love is such a modern, like, nonsense concept.

1072
01:10:06,006 --> 01:10:06,906
But you need love.

1073
01:10:06,986 --> 01:10:08,246
You definitely need love as a foundation.

1074
01:10:08,646 --> 01:10:11,126
And you would say, as a man, you just go out there and say,

1075
01:10:11,486 --> 01:10:13,266
these are what I can offer to you.

1076
01:10:13,546 --> 01:10:15,626
And that is a lot.

1077
01:10:15,766 --> 01:10:17,506
Because that is a personal responsibility.

1078
01:10:17,806 --> 01:10:18,046
Right.

1079
01:10:18,186 --> 01:10:18,926
In this world, right?

1080
01:10:18,926 --> 01:10:20,426
That is personal responsibility at Disney.

1081
01:10:20,426 --> 01:10:24,366
You have to take the responsibility to improve yourself

1082
01:10:24,366 --> 01:10:27,706
to the point that you have the foundation

1083
01:10:27,706 --> 01:10:30,546
and then the confidence to say something like,

1084
01:10:30,706 --> 01:10:31,366
this is me.

1085
01:10:31,646 --> 01:10:32,686
This is what I'm looking for.

1086
01:10:32,746 --> 01:10:33,166
No bullshit.

1087
01:10:33,326 --> 01:10:35,846
And it takes a lot of honesty and humility

1088
01:10:35,846 --> 01:10:38,446
to be minimum bullshit.

1089
01:10:39,466 --> 01:10:40,186
Yeah, big time.

1090
01:10:40,646 --> 01:10:42,726
Well, because we all are worse than we want to be.

1091
01:10:42,846 --> 01:10:44,846
And we all want to show someone

1092
01:10:44,846 --> 01:10:46,266
a better version of ourself.

1093
01:10:46,266 --> 01:10:48,586
We're worried that no one will take us at face value.

1094
01:10:48,906 --> 01:10:51,966
And so we lie about who we are.

1095
01:10:52,226 --> 01:10:53,546
We lie about the face value.

1096
01:10:53,546 --> 01:10:59,666
and then we're surprised that when someone figures out the face value that you know they leave yeah

1097
01:10:59,666 --> 01:11:05,406
totally and we didn't have time to delve into the the um the homeschooling part but i but i have to

1098
01:11:05,406 --> 01:11:10,286
do it again yeah we'll have to do it again but i i can totally see how the idea of personal

1099
01:11:10,286 --> 01:11:17,506
responsibility and and love and warm relationships it's it's something that's deeply fundamental to

1100
01:11:17,506 --> 01:11:22,646
And I'm sure it's going to trickle down to your education, to your family.

1101
01:11:23,226 --> 01:11:26,906
Generations of principles, I guess, is in the making.

1102
01:11:27,186 --> 01:11:29,346
So we'll have to definitely do this again.

1103
01:11:29,426 --> 01:11:32,526
So we'll dive into more on the education and homeschooling side.

1104
01:11:32,626 --> 01:11:38,286
And I'm interested in learning more about the practicality and the day-to-day because it's such a myth.

1105
01:11:38,826 --> 01:11:42,606
There's not enough resources, not enough people who are doing it, who are sharing their stories.

1106
01:11:42,606 --> 01:11:47,846
So we'll be having a different conversation hopefully very soon on that front.

1107
01:11:48,186 --> 01:11:49,166
Last question here.

1108
01:11:49,406 --> 01:11:56,726
What if someone feels lost right now, financially, spiritually, or personally, what would you want them to hear?

1109
01:11:56,866 --> 01:11:59,146
I mean, what you heard from the stranger is pretty good.

1110
01:11:59,346 --> 01:12:00,026
Jesus loves you.

1111
01:12:00,206 --> 01:12:03,606
I think that that can feel, though, unfortunately empty.

1112
01:12:04,446 --> 01:12:06,826
That's a nice thing to hear.

1113
01:12:07,306 --> 01:12:10,906
But it kind of sounds like, you know, Santa Claus is going to buy you a gift.

1114
01:12:10,906 --> 01:12:12,406
It kind of sounds...

1115
01:12:12,406 --> 01:12:15,186
And then it happened when I already had this relationship.

1116
01:12:15,326 --> 01:12:16,326
So you had the impact.

1117
01:12:16,426 --> 01:12:18,126
So the phase was pre-existing, right?

1118
01:12:18,366 --> 01:12:22,366
So for someone who's lost and looking for guidance,

1119
01:12:22,726 --> 01:12:24,186
they're looking for guidance.

1120
01:12:24,546 --> 01:12:25,986
What is something that you...

1121
01:12:25,986 --> 01:12:32,026
So I would encourage you to read the book of John in the Bible.

1122
01:12:32,246 --> 01:12:32,906
The book of John.

1123
01:12:33,006 --> 01:12:36,646
John was like, he was this young guy full of riz.

1124
01:12:36,826 --> 01:12:40,986
He was, I think he was like 15 when he joined Jesus' discipleship.

1125
01:12:41,346 --> 01:12:42,546
He's super charismatic.

1126
01:12:43,006 --> 01:12:46,426
He's like this young alpha male.

1127
01:12:46,986 --> 01:12:50,106
And you read, when you read the story of Jesus

1128
01:12:50,106 --> 01:12:53,286
through that perspective, you just cannot help,

1129
01:12:53,506 --> 01:12:54,986
but it's gonna light you on fire.

1130
01:12:54,986 --> 01:13:00,586
And it's gonna like, you just want to learn and learn more.

1131
01:13:00,706 --> 01:13:03,206
And so I would read that book like a book.

1132
01:13:03,426 --> 01:13:04,026
Don't read it.

1133
01:13:04,146 --> 01:13:05,006
Don't piecemeal it.

1134
01:13:05,306 --> 01:13:07,486
Don't like just chair, like I cherry picked verses today.

1135
01:13:07,746 --> 01:13:08,586
Don't just do that.

1136
01:13:08,906 --> 01:13:09,966
Read it from start to finish.

1137
01:13:09,966 --> 01:13:15,926
Read it as if John is writing you a story about a man that came to save the world.

1138
01:13:16,446 --> 01:13:20,566
And then just get on your knees and pray for guidance.

1139
01:13:20,846 --> 01:13:22,186
I mean, that sounds like a weekend job.

1140
01:13:22,326 --> 01:13:23,686
Monday morning, you should be good.

1141
01:13:24,286 --> 01:13:26,966
You should at least have the next step towards...

1142
01:13:27,526 --> 01:13:29,606
And if you don't know what to say, just say thank you.

1143
01:13:29,866 --> 01:13:31,326
That's it. That's it. Yeah.

1144
01:13:31,546 --> 01:13:34,006
All right. Thank you so much, Adam, for joining me.

1145
01:13:34,206 --> 01:13:36,246
It's a really pleasant conversation.

1146
01:13:36,246 --> 01:13:40,606
I love diving into these topics and always appreciate it again.

1147
01:13:40,726 --> 01:13:42,026
So we're willing to talk about God.

1148
01:13:42,226 --> 01:13:43,706
And I hope this happens again.

1149
01:13:43,826 --> 01:13:49,946
I'm really happy to have you and have this opportunity to meet you and learn more about your principles.

1150
01:13:50,226 --> 01:13:54,846
And I've learned a whole bunch and I'm sure our audience have too.

1151
01:13:55,366 --> 01:13:57,046
Thank you so much for joining us.

1152
01:13:57,226 --> 01:14:01,146
And thank you so much for tuning in to this episode of Live with Bitcoin.

1153
01:14:01,766 --> 01:14:02,786
Thanks so much for having me.

1154
01:14:02,906 --> 01:14:03,266
Cheers.

1155
01:14:03,546 --> 01:14:05,506
And we'll see you in the next one.