If you're watching today's video, you're going to learn three big things.
Number one, Gen Z is turning to Bitcoin.
Number two, the easiest way is to talk to your friends about Bitcoin
and why it matters to start where they are.
Number three, how to make Bitcoin the financial foundation of your life
so you can enter this AI-shaped job market with confidence.
Today's guest is Nikki, the 19-year-old host of the Orange Peel podcast out of Australia.
So if you are brand new to Bitcoin, come on inside the world's biggest Bitcoin welcome center, mate, for today's show.
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I'm your host, Stuart.
And I'm your co-host, Anna Bevan.
And with us today in the studio is 163 Nikki.
Let's go.
Nikki is coming to us from the future in Australia.
Tell us exactly what it was like for you to stack your very first Satoshi.
So I think I've had a bit of a different story because it was actually my parents that got me into Bitcoin.
So my, yep, yep.
So I, for reference, I am 19.
So I got into Bitcoin when my parents did maybe like 2024-ish, and they've been orange-pilled for a very, very long time.
I think they bought their first Bitcoin in like 2017, and then in like 2021, they bought even more.
But it didn't really like click for them as a mindset, or they didn't start looking at it as, you know, a solution to inflation or a new form of money until about 2024.
And then from then on, it has just been like all forces forward in the household. Every dinner table conversation when I was in high school or graduating high school was like on Bitcoin. And it was my dad was handing me so many books. You know, he handed me the Bitcoin standard price of tomorrow, broken money, all of the classics, everyone that, you know, you used to get kind of started out with Bitcoin.
but it didn't like click for me. I didn't really, you know, care about saving up money myself to put
into Bitcoin until I watched What's the Problem by Joe Bryan. And that video, I watched it in
January of 2025. And that video just like absolutely blew my entire mind. So then I was
like, okay, maybe my parents were actually onto something. Maybe, you know, they weren't like
talking crazy and I should take, you know, more of a look into what Bitcoin actually is.
So then I'd say I actually saved up and bought my first sats in the latter half of 2025. It was
maybe September or October. And since then, I have really, really tried to put aside money like
every single month out of, you know, like I'm in college right now. So out of the budget that I get
and, you know, send it to River, put it into Strike, whatever I can do.
So definitely, you know, it's been a rolling effort for me
because my first sats obviously were given to me by my parents.
But I think the feeling of like finally getting it, saving up,
and then buying mine, like that didn't click
until after I started the podcast actually,
which is, you know, a bit insane now to think about.
dude first of all wait i gotta jump in and say this you are living like you are the future version
of one of what stewart wants his kids to say ah dude specifically kitty i feel like if kitty were
to say this you would what you mean you already think she hung the moon between third and fourth
period but like right but this would there would be it would be like who who else exists on the
planet. I like, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm still like on fire from our guests two days ago. And now Nikki
is just like literally pouring gasoline. You're saying, you're saying that you're 19 and you are
stacking sats like the rest of us. I mean, do you even understand how much further ahead you are
than we are just because you're you're younger i didn't stack my first satoshi until i was
my age minus two years which is 38 twice her age twice your age yeah yeah yeah like that's crazy
that is insane you have like this beautiful clean start right i mean dad gum and your mom and dad
got you onto it, which is crazy. Love those two. They must be absolute chads, but it sounds like
they gave you some Satoshis here and there. But what you're saying is it wasn't until a few months
ago, September, 2025, that you took your money and bought your Satoshis in that way. Right. So
it's only been a couple of months since you've been like doing it yourself. Yes. Yes. Oh my gosh.
Yo, somebody smash a subscribe if you're absolutely pumped for Nikki.
Yeah.
Like, if you're just absolutely so excited for Nikki, do it now.
You might win two million sats.
You could.
You could indeed.
There's so much to unpack here, but this is not the first time I've heard
What's the Problem by Joe something or other, right?
And I actually started watching that video because somebody else had talked about it.
And it's the one where he talks about, like, an island society, correct?
yes dude i got like 15 minutes into it i couldn't keep rolling i could not keep rolling
how long is it i think it's like half an hour do i just like halfway through and you were like no
i can't do it dude listen y'all i'm literally in the age of youtube shorts where when i scroll down
there's a lady on a split screen who's live on youtube she's pretending to be asleep underneath
is her roblox character doing nothing at all but standing around while italian brain rot music
plays nobody has any attention span nobody has but does the but does the back half of his video
like absolutely slap or what's happening here i think what i loved most about the video was just
how simple it is so that might be why you found it like maybe a little bit boring or hard to like
grab your attention because it's very they don't even talk he doesn't talk about bitcoin until maybe
like the last five minutes of the video. It's all about, you know, these two societies,
the Satoshis and the Fiatellos, and one of them has a sound currency. The other one is continuously
increasing the supply of money. So a quite like, you know, obvious contrast between our current
money and then Bitcoin, of course. And then they run into, as the governments are starting up,
as the communities are starting up, they obviously run into, you know, wars and other problems.
And then it goes through how both of these money systems would navigate that, you know,
Fiatela was consistently printing more money whenever there was a food shortage or whenever
there was a war. And then Satoshi was like, no, we're not going to print money. We're going to
see what we can do otherwise. And then you look at the states of both of the societies kind of
towards the end of the video. And obviously you see the Satoshis are doing much better.
And that's where Bitcoin comes into play. It's got these like Pixar animated characters and
everything. And I think the way that Joe Brian speaks as well, he's very calm, he's very collected.
And so the whole video feels just very down to earth and grounded. So it's definitely not like
fun or like really like attention grabbing or anything, but it's so simple, which is why like
that's the video that clicked for me.
And whenever any one of my friends is curious about Bitcoin,
that's the one that I point them to.
Oh, dang.
So what was it like to talk about Bitcoin with your parents at dinner every night?
Because if you go back to the episode with my daughter.
Yeah, that was rough.
She just literally, at one point, she does an impression of me,
which is, oh, it's a big coin, big coin, big coin.
Like, she's not impressed.
No.
She's not impressed.
So, you know, here I have a clearly successful 19-year-old individual
who has benefited from her parents being Bitcoiners.
Mm-hmm.
You know, hook me up.
What is that like?
So I will say I definitely had, like, the same exact sentiment as your daughter
when, you know, my parents were starting out.
and they've been talking Bitcoin for quite a while, but I think in 2022, when everything that
was happening with Bitcoin was happening in the market, I decided to write a paper on the global
financial crisis and the emergence of Bitcoin, just because it was a topic that was kind of
floating around the house. And I was like, you know what? I have this whole huge paper to write
for school. I get to pick my own topic. Let's see. Can I do something on Bitcoin? So I looked at that
connection. And that's when I first like really kind of did my own research into it, but I looked
at it from a very like technical point of view. So it's not like I wasn't orange-pilled then or
anything. But come 2024, after Donald Trump spoke at the conference in Nashville, my parents went
full force. And then it was every single conversation. It was Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Bitcoin.
There were these podcasts that my parents would listen to that just were like going on all day in the house.
Like they would be, if we were having dinner, the TV would be on in the side and the volume would be super low, but the podcast was going.
They were consistently just consuming all of this knowledge and sharing with my younger brother and I in hopes to, you know, get us to understand it as well.
But I think until you, I think, really leave the house or start making your own money and start feeling the effects of inflation yourself, it's never really going to make sense.
So that's the sentiment that I had.
It never made sense to me until I moved out for college.
And then I was like, hmm, why are things getting more expensive?
I've been at college for maybe two years now, and my rent has already increased three times.
So that stuff is not normal.
and it's the cost of living here in Melbourne has you know gone up exponentially from the start of
2024 so it's not until I think you start experiencing these things yourself that you
are going to be like okay my parents were actually on to something like at the end of the day we're
still children we're still going to believe that like we're smarter than our parents um and yeah I
mean I I wish you know if I could go back I definitely would take what they were saying
into consideration a lot earlier than I actually did but I am very very grateful to have the parents
that I had because if it wasn't for them I would not have been orange-filled at all.
One again if Kitty were to say this you would just fall dead on the floor.
Dead. Like there's so justified I would feel. Yeah so here's like what
what um what got your parents like what made them like did they were they orange pill at the same
time did your mom go before your dad dad before your mom and it was like a convincing household
for a little while my parents have always been into investing and they've always you know placed
a big emphasis on financial literacy like ever since you know my brother and I were like really
really young. That's been the biggest thing was to be financially literate and to be financially
independent. That was the number one promise that we were made to make to our parents.
So they didn't discover Bitcoin until about 2017 when it was all in the news and everything. And
they knew lots of people. We were living in Thailand at the time and they were working with
this company, Agoda, and they met lots of people that had bought Bitcoin earlier and were just
absolutely booming. They were like, we've, you know, made like thousands of dollars. We have just
like totally profited. And my parents were like, hmm, what is this Bitcoin thing that everyone is
talking about? And I think that is when they bought their very first Bitcoin, but they didn't
understand it quite yet. So then it was kind of like, I think the philosophy that they had at the
time was we're just going to buy it and we're just going to hold it. We're just going to leave like a
section of it and not touch it and see what happens. So they did that. And of course, you
know, now we're in 2026 and it's gone up quite a bit since 2017. But I think when it really,
again, like clicked for them as more than just an investment, more than just a cryptocurrency,
which I don't believe Bitcoin is crypto, but you know, if you're kind of new to the space,
everything is is all the same so it didn't click for them until 2024 and then my dad definitely was
orange-pilled before my mom my my dad was like the moment he saw that conference the moment he saw that
like donald trump was speaking about it he was like oh if the you know if a presidential candidate and an ex at that too is speaking about this maybe there is something that I missing Like if it important enough to be a part of the
U.S. elections, then I don't think I'm seeing this properly. So then he did more research and then he
got my mom into it. And my mom's never been opposed, but she's always kind of been like
letting my dad handle the finances and investment side of things. She has an interest, of course,
but you know she's she's kind of like let him be the main um i think proponent of that so then he
got her into it and then once she was into it she was like we need to get the kids into it
and then now my brother and i like a year-ish year and a half ish later like we are all four
of us are like totally orange pilt dang it's like a bitcoin family so wait it's a husband a wife
two kids one of which is a girl and one of which is a guy it's your thing yeah i knew she was from
the future we thought it was because the time difference between here and australia no this is
literally kitty in in in dang like seven eight years from now i know dude whoa wow so i mean
technically you were kind of introduced around 11 years old and then again yeah yeah not for real
until you were like 17 years old.
Yeah, pretty much.
Yeah.
That is so crazy.
Yeah.
I can't really imagine a double parent Bitcoiner household.
Yeah, that is also foreign for you.
I will say to all my faithful satillionaires,
all my Turks, right?
So obviously, Nikki knows I'm talking about when I say Turks, right?
Obviously.
So just recently in a budgeting session with my wife, I've been telling her for a couple of months that we're going to need to set aside $50 a week, $54 a week to be precise, in our budget to continue dollar cost averaging into Bitcoin.
Because my yard sale, my Magic the Gathering card collection, the random work I've done here and there, right?
To earn your allowance.
It's kind of drying up.
Like I kind of like I had a gold coin I sold off.
Like I kind of found random dollars that were just doing nothing and had been DCAing out of them.
But we were going to we were going to have to drop from weekly to once every two weeks.
And that was going to be devastatingly tragic.
But literally this weekend, she was like, we can do $54.
She blessed it officially in the budget, boys.
We did it.
We survived.
We saved the weekly DCA over here at the Pelto household.
That would have been really fun.
Then you would have had to change your whole spiel.
Dude, it would have been savage.
Yeah.
Especially given Rajat's insane spreadsheet.
I know.
That shows us what happens when you dollar cost average.
Okay, so Nikki, what do you want to do with Bitcoin?
Like what, like I get that, like it's clicking for you, the inflationary aspect of fiat currency.
And the conversation is constant in your house.
I feel like, I mean, we are constantly having conversations about Bitcoin.
I mean, that's what we do every day.
Love it.
I mean, it's great.
And I feel like Stuart has 100% orange pilled me.
I didn't like a brand new class of 2025. And I was, I was thinking out here thinking I could
out earn it out earn inflation because I can be smarter than the market. I can be smarter than
everyone else around me and just work harder. That'll work. Um, but what do you want to do
with it? Like, what's your, like your dream? Okay. This is a good question. This is a really
good question. I think if you had spoken to me in August of 2025, which is when I first started,
you know, the podcast that I run that is very focused on explaining Bitcoin for people my age
and trying to get them into it, I would have said, you know, I would love to see more Bitcoin adoption
amongst Gen Z, amongst people in their 20s. But now I've been thinking a lot more about
what I'm going to do when I graduate in December of this year. And so I'm studying computer science
and whether or not I'm going to be able to find a job, right? Because with AI coming in, like
software engineering and even data scientists are like one of the first jobs that are being
completely changed by the introduction of AI. So now I would love to see a future for myself
in which I'm actively using AI to build and to contribute to society in the way that I want to
by solving the problems that I see and using Bitcoin to protect my wealth,
using it as what it is, a deflationary asset to store my value in and kind of just let that be
over time. Because I think Bitcoin totally takes care of the financial aspect of things if you let
it, if you let it do its thing and just just hodl it, I think it's going to be like I think
the future that Gen Z will have is going to be completely secure in terms of monetary value.
But yeah, I'd say that's my answer. Now I want to create with AI and I want to protect with Bitcoin.
Yeah, that's good. The sword and shield. Yeah. For Nikki, AI Bitcoin.
point yeah now I think there's something that is so like what I'm hearing from you or what I think
I'm hearing from you is that the the curiosity and the desire to to change the world like make
the world a better place through your like your degree basically what you've gone to school to
learn how to do you get to define what that looks like because you're storing your value in an
asset that's not going to do not going to like inflate over time. It's going to hold its value.
And so that gives you the freedom to be able to build a life that is is one that you'd be really
proud of. Yeah. Yeah. And and I think one thing about my generation is we are very, very inclined
to change the world. I think every single one of us has dreams. We have goals and they're all
focused on, you know, making the world a better place, doing what's right, helping people out.
But the way that that manifests is very different when you look person to person.
And with me, after discovering Bitcoin, I realized, you know, I could go out into the
streets and I could protest all I wanted to. That's not going to change the world the way
Bitcoin is going to change the world. I could, you know, go out and I could put in votes or I could
do all the campaigning that I wanted to do. But until I started talking about Bitcoin, I didn't
feel like I actually had any kind of power at all. It never really felt like what I was saying
matters. But, you know, the thing with Bitcoin is it's got this philosophy of proof of work,
right? So it's more than just going out and having these conversations. It's like, okay,
you believe in Bitcoin, but what are you doing actually back that you believe in Bitcoin? Are
Are you DCAing? Are you buying it? Are you putting yourself out on the internet talking about Bitcoin?
Are you making an effort in your personal life to get the people that you love into Bitcoin?
So it's all of these things. And I think that is where it really, not solidified, but satisfied the desire that I had to make the world a better place.
what is the trick to convincing gen z to stack some satoshis because number one very quickly
we're both millennials we need to know are we old and fogly
you know what i mean like when you look at a millennial you're like oh my god
i mean i'm not like you're talking about you're like those guys had to remember phone numbers
because they called on the house phone to another person's house phone?
Or are we kind of like, those dudes are cool.
They're older than me, but they're still cool.
What are you doing?
I'm just trying to see what's the Gen Z perspectivo on millennials.
Are we cool or are we like totally cooked?
So I would say it definitely depends who you're talking to.
I think if you're talking to someone who's my age,
who's like touching 20 or in their 20s,
definitely like, okay, older people are cooler.
um if you're talking to anyone who's younger i'd say that's where you might enter like all right
this person's totally like i i don't want to say aged out but like doesn't really understand what's
going on in the world anymore so with bitcoin congress because they're basically in a crypt
yeah yeah them donkers are like undead bro they are
so what do you what's the what's the you know what what does someone from gen z value
because we do bring every single type of person on this show to help them and i'm wondering like
shoot, if Nikki's got a podcast that's focused on Gen Z, what's that killer angle that works for
them? I would say relatability more than anything else. I think because of technology and because
of social media, Gen Z is the loneliest generation that we have. And we've got serious issues with,
you know, communication and being able to connect with other people just because COVID came and did
like irreversible damage to, you know, to us during our formative years. And so our social
skills are really, really bad to just say the absolute least. So relatability has landed more
than anything else. When I talk to my friends and I want to bring up Bitcoin, I will always start
with, hey, did you see that our rent increased last week by about 30 Australian dollars for the
new semester? Or, hey, did you see that like, you know, something at Woolworths or Kohl's that costed
$5 now costs about $7. And it'll start here and then I'll be slowly kind of lean into being like,
oh, do we know why that's happening? Are we sure what inflation is? Why do governments print money?
In short, it's to bail themselves out of the mess that they've created. But taking all of these
things and then a lot of my friends are also working, so they have paychecks and then being
like, okay, so what are you doing with your paycheck? And, you know, I found that they've,
you know, put it into savings accounts, like in banks and stuff. And I'm like,
in Australia, if you're an international student, the banks don't usually give you an interest rate.
So your money is actually like deflating away sitting in a bank account and you think you're
saving. And I'm like, okay, well, why don't we start by viewing Bitcoin or explaining Bitcoin
as an alternative to a savings account.
And so you start there.
And then I think another thing that has really, really landed is Gen Z has a lot of fear right
now when it comes to building a stable future, financial future because of the job market.
So explaining Bitcoin as something that can protect your financial future and protect your
monetary value has been, I think, the kickoff to inspiring a lot of curiosity amongst the people
that I know and the people that watch my content, obviously. Other than that, I'd say like it really
does depend on the person you're talking to. And this is going to sound really bad, but you have to
play to somebody's fears when you explain Bitcoin. You have to look at what are they afraid of? What
are they worried about? How does Bitcoin change that? That's how I got into Bitcoin, right? I was
worried about inflation. I was worried about not being able to, you know, graduate and get a secure
job and actually make a living for myself. And that's how I decided to view Bitcoin as, you know,
my parents got me into it. And then I went on to study it even further and pursue content and talk
to people. And, and now it's like, I'm at the place where I am. And I don't think that I know
everything. I definitely don't. I think Bitcoin is one of those things. It's like, once you think,
you know, 95% of it, another like, like huge chunk of like stuff you don't know about will like
pop out. And it's like, oh, I really don't even know like 10% of it. So it's, it's, it's definitely
kind of something that you have to keep reframing and reworking when you talk to people. And I'm
sure you guys would know, you know, like as people that make it their mission to educate about Bitcoin,
especially to those who don't know anything you have to just keep reworking your philosophy you
have to like look at each person and be like okay so what exactly is it about you that i think would
fit in with bitcoin and keep going from there so all in all relatability um playing to somebody's
fears and then looking at the job market has been the consensus on on how i use big how i use um
bitcoin to make my peers feel better yeah um this the part about fears it's tough isn't it right
because i i come from a background before i went all in on bitcoin with this with this show i was
in sales um cyber security sales i mean it's just and before sales i was in politics
and I was a fundraiser.
Literally the only thing that works is fear
and it is an absolute shame is what I'm trying to say.
The only way I can get somebody to do something is through fear and it is absolutely a tragedy Well I think there something a little bit different about starting the conversation with what people are afraid of when it comes to talking to them about a new topic
And in this case, it's Bitcoin, because it's the thing that keeps people awake at night in their like when they're sitting at a red light.
They're thinking about the thing that they're afraid of.
I mean, it is the thing that consumes their mind.
And so if you are able to say like, hey, this thing you're afraid of, it actually isn't impossible to solve for it.
And most of us are afraid of running out of money.
Like we're afraid of not being able to afford a the life we want, be the life we dream of or see the very bare minimum of a life.
Like it's and probably should have gone like dream, want, bare minimum.
But like.
I think it's OK to start with fear when you're talking about a solution that is so far outside of the way that people are thinking about it.
I mean, that's. I mean, we so we Nikki, we have made a documentary and we're working our way through the 2026 film festival season and applying.
But the whole documentary is not necessarily about Bitcoin, but it's about inflation.
It's talking about how people are trying to to out earn inflation or to find something that they can hold on to as a like a buoy in the ocean of inflation.
And and it is scary. Like, it's just scary.
yeah you're right you're right to point out that that nikki is not being predatory
in those conversations i think it triggered my previous career where i had to tap into
a dark art in order to survive here is a whole different kind of fear like that yeah that is
literally like v for vendetta post-apocalyptic i robot fear like that it's just such ah but
To your point, like Bitcoin, you know, because what you said a little bit earlier was, hey, it's almost like you've identified Bitcoin as the single biggest change agent for Gen Z.
To go out and make the changes to what you all see as a busted world that is run by dudes that are, they're not millennials like us.
They are fully Play-Doh stretched over the kneecap of a skeleton.
They've had more work done.
They're dead and someone just grabbed their skin and like pinned it behind them.
Weekend at Bernie style.
Exactly, right?
Is Bitcoin the single greatest opportunity for you to carry out that Gen Z change sensation that you all have?
I mean, yeah, I think I think obviously there's a lot more nuance to it. But in short, yes. Right now, there's not a better form of money. And this just comes down to the fact that I think every single problem that we see in society comes down to the fact that we have a broken money in the first place.
but that's a whole different conversation you know like wars starvation
i i could go on you know things getting more expensive it's all comes down to money and when
you replace the form of money with something that is by design sounds unchangeable and completely
verifiable and i think lacks lacks human involvement in that it's verifiable by computers
and everything is written by code.
And you could go in and you could read the lines of code
and audit that if you're someone that that would make sense to.
But it's completely sound.
It's completely decentralized.
And that in itself is a game changer.
It is the most objective form of money,
the most objective form of anything that we have right now in this world.
And that's not to say, you know,
if something better than Bitcoin were to come by,
like you shouldn't ignore that. Bitcoin is the best we have right now. And I really don't think
that we can get better than Bitcoin, but it's the best that we have right now. And when you're
looking to, you know, change the world and make things better for people who are less privileged
or, you know, help the less fortunate, you have to think about, you know, how can you actually
help them? Because yes, you could do things like donating money or, you know, going and building
houses or, you know, going off to the military and fighting wars. And that might help in the
short term, but the problems are just going to keep appearing and appearing and appearing.
With Bitcoin, we're fighting for what is almost a permanent fix, a permanent solution.
I'm like, I'm just going to carry Nikki on my back as long as I can. And then when I'm dead,
you just keep going. Okay. Like I'm done carrying out my own vision with sat chats.
We're just going to try to lift Nikki up and the Gen Z.
Like when I was 19, not at your level.
I was not at your level.
When I was 19, I had like a nine year olds like grasp on the world.
I was just trying to learn junk at university and play video games when I wasn't learning
junk at university.
Like, dog, how can you already have what took me twice as long to get?
Right?
I do think, like, that Gen Z is in a position where we need to start thinking more ahead.
And we've kind of been, you know, aged up faster than we should have been, you know, because of COVID, because we've got such an unstable currency and job market and everything.
so I really do think that I do have the grasp of a nine-year-old on the world and how things work
like I don't understand things I'm not saying I understand bitcoin at all I really don't but I
think the value comes in going on the internet and putting out the content and putting yourself out
there and be like hey I'm learning if I'm learning because I'm seeing all of these things and you're
seeing all these things maybe you should learn about bitcoin too and and that's the entire
premise that, you know, I am doing the podcast that I'm doing orange peel with. So that's like,
yeah, that's my motivation. Nice. So tell us a little bit about the show then. Do you have guests?
Do you not have guests? What's that situation? What do you cover? Yeah. So I think, um,
I do definitely have guests. I have, you know, I had Joe Brian on as one of like my very, very
early interviews because I was like, hey, like I reached out to him. I was like, I absolutely love
the video. It's what got me into Bitcoin. I would love to sit you down and ask some questions.
And obviously everyone in Bitcoin is very willing to come on as soon as you ask them to do an
episode. Nobody is going to say no, which is it's a great space to be in. But so I had him on. I had
Jeff Booth on in December to ask even more questions because obviously, you know, Price of
Tomorrow is like one of the pillars in the Bitcoin community.
It's what people get started out with.
It's a foundational book.
And I've seen your episode with him as well.
And Jeff Booth is just, he's got this really calm way of speaking, but everything that he
says lands.
He is truly a visionary, truly just a genius altogether.
So I do like to have guests on, but I think I also have been focusing a lot on solo content,
keeping it short, keeping it 10 to 15 minutes, because that's not something that we have
in the Bitcoin community. And it is really, really hard to get someone who is new to Bitcoin,
especially if they're Gen Z, to sit down and watch a podcast that is an hour and a half or
two hours long. You're not going to get their attention span. So I try to keep explainers to,
you know, 10 to 15 minutes. And so I've done a video on Fiat versus Bitcoin, looking at, you know,
what happened in 1971? What actually is the gold standard? What does fiat mean? And then I've done
things on, you know, how just putting $10 a day into Bitcoin might make you a millionaire
a number of years down the line. And then you're like, how to buy your first Bitcoin. And I think
now, like come 2026, everything that I've been putting out in January has been entirely focused
on building yourself, protecting your value, and building a personal brand with Bitcoin and AI
in the machine economy. So that's the premise of the whole channel. It's very explorative. It's very,
I think, casual is the best way to put it. Keeping things short, keeping things, you know,
longer for experienced Bitcoiners who, you know, like to get a glimpse of some of the, you know,
I think notable people in Bitcoin like to get a glimpse of their minds and everything.
but yeah I think it's called the orange peel podcast which is a play on words from orange
pill um and it came to me while I was eating an orange I was like oh what if I just called it
orange peel which is uh yeah I mean it's it's funny I like it and then um yeah it's it's focused
on gen z but I think it's it's a place to start for anyone who's maybe bitcoin curious ai curious
or just kind of feels like with the job market, they're being pushed out.
That is if I think if you're listening to this and that feels like you,
then maybe Orange Peel might be a place that you might meet other people
who are looking at the same things that you're looking for.
I love that.
Same.
My dad is from Texas and says pill and peel the same word for him.
And when we brought him on and talked about Orange Pilling him,
he thought we were talking about orange peeling him and came back on for his bitcoin baby update
he had a t-shirt on that was an orange getting peeled and we're like dad it's orange pill it's
a pill it's like the matrix he's like oh i thought it was like you know peeling back the layers you
know it's like so it sounds like i need to have your dad on then because that's like peeling back
the layers is the whole thing of my entire channel oh you totally need to have my dad oh my gosh she
would be great because when he came on early on in our show's history he wasn't really too sure
about bitcoin and when we offered him his choice of 50 or 50 worth of bitcoin he you know ultimately
left it up to me and i made the right choice for him but when he came back on in nine months his
laser eyes were like exploding everywhere oh yeah he was going insane for bitcoin i think your mom
is probably a bigger like she held out she held out but then we started a game show where you
where you at you you try to answer bitcoin trivia and sat chats trivia in order to win a million
sats on Fridays and she came on to play that game she is insanely competitive to this day
I will not play boggle with my mom because she is impossible to beat and it's the most
miserable experience to be like okay which one did you get and you're like uh um whale and she's
like got it you're like whales got it you know like art got it I also don't think I've ever
played boggle basically at me like i have you try to get words out of the mix and if someone else
has the same word you don't get a point for it so like i would get every single word i could
possibly get she'd have every single one oh then she would have more i yes which is makes it more
frustrating yeah so but you got that love from your mom i think of words yeah oh definitely so
anyways she became super competitive and ended up studying my entire show
in order to prepare to win the game and like notes nikki and it like happened and just the
other day she was watching um who was the dude with uh oh he was she was watching draco's episode
oh yeah she liked that one in the comments she was like guys i finally understand that one bitcoin
is worth one Bitcoin. I was like, dude, isn't that amazing? My seven, that is so cool.
One Bitcoin is, so you're 19 and you're like, dude, inflation is a no. Yeah. Parallel system
is a yes. Protecting the value in Bitcoin is a yes. My mom, 70 some odd years old. She's like,
y'all one Bitcoin is worth one Bitcoin. What do you think is going to happen? How long until this
whole world is on a Bitcoin standard Nikki oh my gosh okay so I I think that Gen Z is gonna see it
in their lifetime maybe not a full Bitcoin standard but we're definitely going to see it as a part of
our daily lives like already if I go around to some of the places in my city I have found like
two places that accept Bitcoin already which you know like isn't a lot too out of like who knows
would be like thousands. But the fact that I can go out and I can go, you know, out with my friends
and we can go to the bar and we can pay for a drink in Bitcoin is pretty cool. We've got, you
know, Bitcoin cafes popping up all around the world. And we've got, you know, Isla Mujeres,
which is like a fully Bitcoin city They got you know the taxis accept Bitcoin the accommodation The Same thing with what happening in Lugano that a completely Bitcoin city And I think
with all of these things popping up, it's only going to get better as time goes on. So I think
probably when I'm in my 40s or 50s, I'm going to be able to go and pay for things in Bitcoin more
often. And that's the only way that I think we can increase adoption. I think as Bitcoiners,
especially if our goal is to get more people into it, we have to start actually practicing what we
preach and start living on a Bitcoin standard ourselves. And as hard as that sounds, there are
certain ways that you can do it in your personal life. Every single time that I go out with my
friends and if I pay for something and they have to pay me back, I ask them to send it to me via
strike in sats. And if they pay for something, I'll be like, yeah, I'll pay you back. I give them
the option. Do you want me to just bank transfer you or should I send it to you via strike? And
sometimes some of them will be like, you know what, just send me some sats. And I'm like, perfect.
So it's these little things that we can do. And, you know, as I go to my friends, they go to their
friends and they go to their friends and it just keeps like spiraling out that way. So Gen Z has
the advantage of time. And if we get on Bitcoin now, then we have our formative years in our 20s,
our 30s, our 40s to continue just working and working and working and making sure the generations
after us get the orange pill and understand, grow up with Bitcoin, like honestly. So I think like
there need to be more efforts in getting gen z into bitcoin if you know if someone's goal is to
fully bring the world to a bitcoin standard because obviously like we are the future and
then you know alpha that comes after us they are the future and then beta and i think that's the
most that we have right now but the youth is where the future lies so that's where the effort should
be put in do you want a scraggly old bank transfer or can i hit you with some sats
i was like i should get my mom to pay me back in sats like when i like buy stuff and she has to like
pay me back yeah like oh i don't oh yeah can i have him i don't i don't take dollars i don't
take dollars i should 100 p do that yeah that would be that would be actually insufferable
Like mom would be like, you're, she's like, do it, do it, do it.
She'd be like, no, I'm sorry, Ashlyn.
It's only going to be stats from here on out.
Yeah. Like, listen, I don't accept dollars.
So yeah, if you want to pay me back, I need the Satoshis.
I need the stats.
Let's freaking go. Okay. Amazing.
What a great episode with Nikki.
Nikki, there's so much to Bitcoin that we will never be able to fit it into a single chat about stats or the work of a single generation.
That's what it sounds like.
That's what I'm hearing.
Okay.
um and i'm ready to just lift up gen z and alpha and beta and just be like uh go forth children
i'm dead now you know i don't even care if it works out for me anymore i'm like i'm just gonna
break my back for you all because well that's consistent with everything you've said we're
already toast out here in the millennial world y'all we toast the 90s rocked and then we got
rocked okay the 90s were like the blessed time nikki all right and then it was like um 9-11
uh war on terror uh great financial crisis um absolute garbage venture capital decade that
led to a ton of wasted money straight into a freaking pandemic straight into a freaking
pandemic money printing and saying we're getting destroyed as a generation and i'm like you know
what dude i'm gonna bore a mirror this and just take a thousand arrows for you hobbits y'all keep
going to the land of mordor because i'm toast man and none of those were our decisions like we made
none of those decisions got absolutely dust in dc that made the decision the skeletal remains of
the previous generations up there in the capital city clearly having a rough day with congress
right now. So we do ask each of our guests, if they would be willing to come back. That was one
big tangent, by the way, but what I was getting ready to do was ask if you'd be willing to come
back on in nine months to give us an update on your Bitcoin baby, would you be willing to do that
for us? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think you guys have got like a really fun vibes, the podcast,
like this is the most like fun conversation that I've had on somebody else's podcast,
which is like so cool. So I'll see you. When is nine months from now? Like September, October?
yeah octoberish septemberish yeah mid-september mid-september no it's big mid-october because one
plus nine is ten y'all oh okay we can't count i'm pretty certain so close to your graduation
so we can check it and be like hey yo have you hybridized with ai now right what kind of tips
let's turn it on over then to Ithaca hummus uh our by the dip moment sponsor Ithaca hummus
reminds us to buy the deal thank you that took you a second I wanted to come in swoosh in at the
end yeah I see that let me give this guy a little bit of a woven wheat stir up in this piece here
So we are tasting as acting as your taste buds today in the studio with the classic Ithaca flavor.
Nice.
Yeah.
This is Stuart's favorite flavor.
I love classic.
My favorite favor of ice cream is vanilla.
My favorite flavor.
Definitely.
So we are going to act as your taste buds today and give this a ye old taste.
Mmm.
Sweet.
Mmm.
Woven wheat cracker coming through with the salt.
Mmm-hmm.
A couple of grains on the fingers I'm going to hoover up like a vacuum.
Okay?
Mmm.
Dang.
That's what happened today, y'all.
Oh.
Dang.
That classic is on fire.
Okay.
The woven wheat is like with the alley-oop.
It's like not letting me down.
You know what I mean?
Well, the woven wheat never lets us down.
Sometimes when it's fridge cold or it's like a day old, I'm like, you know.
I sometimes like to put our woven wheats in the fridge.
Listen, every sack counts, okay?
I don't know if you can come over to the third camera, Zara,
but every Satoshi does in fact count, okay?
So sometimes we have a woven wheat that's a little,
but that is on point today yeah it's a great one when you're back in seattle
oh yeah yeah yeah visiting the fam yeah ithaca on this.com there you go you can figure out where
to get some all right okay and grab some by the way taste it and then come back to the comments
of your episode with us let the let the chat know what you thought about it okay yeah are we still
Are we still saying chat as far as Gen Z goes or are we done saying that?
We're still saying chat.
Did you participate in the great meme reset or are you keeping the old, the old memes alive?
So I think, I think I'm a bit older than, than the demographic that has participated in, in the great meme rate reset.
There's a very like split between Gen Z.
I think everyone who's like in college and above is kind of like we're still stuck in with some very like classic ones.
And I think we're starting to get aged out of our generation a little bit because we've got all these like kids in like middle school and high school that are just like totally changing things to like brain rot.
Oh, totally.
And that's my son, Lion.
You're welcome.
The million sats question the other day was based on his episode.
and the question was if you want to stop the government from phantom taxing your
what should you do and the correct answer was in fact make your lasers really strong
wow
nobody got that right because it makes no sense whatsoever and my son's brain is cooked
it is rotted it has in fact rotted but he's stacking satoshis he's gonna be fine so there's
some there we go yeah all right sneaky this brings us to our cash versus bitcoin moment
powered by salt let's go salt thank you salt for powering this moment i hoovered salt up off my
fingertips just a second ago you might have seen it different salt different kind of salt that's
right one one is a flavor one lender it's fine sure uh so here at sat chats we believe in value
for value and in exchange for your time and coming on our show we'd like to give you your choice
between 50 in fiat or 50 in bitcoin which at today's exchange rate is 54 708 is that right
708 satoshis he moved it just a smidge too fast for me what would you like to choose
well i mean i feel like there's like no point in asking this question like of course i'm gonna pick
bitcoin yeah well we like to ask this question because you get a choice we don't assume
yep uh and we have a scoreboard which is over here behind stewart and stewart though he said
earlier his mother was very competitive he himself is very competitive yes it turns out
I'm attempting to compete with every single government on earth right now.
The competitive streak is actually on tilt.
You do bring our scoreboard to 174 that have stacked the whole sheets,
along with nine that are still up on them scraggly old bank transferinos.
But we have had one come back.
We picked a number nine, Paul.
He was the first person to pick the cash.
Yes, come on.
He came back and he picked the sats.
Yes.
If you haven't seen number nine, Paul's episode, go watch it.
He's the first guest ever to take cash and is a Bitcoiner.
Yes.
But felt cash was king.
Came back for his nine-month Bitcoin baby update.
Dude, I had been training.
I had been like Rocky IV, a way to go.
You went absolutely nuts.
Lifting the stones.
Turns out he's actually a very reasonable guy and it's fine.
Yeah.
And he picked the Satoshis.
It was amazing.
It was lovely.
So we are on a roll. Where can our satillionaires, as we call them affectionately around y'all, go to spend more time with you and with the Orange Peel podcast?
Yeah, so I am on X, Instagram, and TikTok as at Orange Peel Pod.
And then also on YouTube, if you just Google Orange Peel Pod or you can Google Nikki Sharma, it'll hopefully, fingers crossed, show up under both names.
but yeah i'm looking forward to maybe seeing some of you guys on on my channel oh we'll be there
oh yeah i literally come into the studio for hours and hours a day and i'm just like does
anybody want to talk about bitcoin with me because i'll talk about it i'm not a hard get
as anna bevan says i have quote golden retriever energy
yeah yeah i'm like i do see that you wanna do you wanna throw the ball i'll get the ball i'll
bring it back to you do you want to throw it again do you just want to hang around with me it's like
do can we be best friends basically 100 yeah yeah yeah that's that's that's steward yeah yeah yeah
but we need to pick out a like a big dog we need to pick out a big dog for me okay well we can
workshop that all right so uh put it in the comments what is the golden retriever of massive
dog breeds because that's i need to start making that happen for myself is it the great dane is it
the Scottish deer hound is it the English Mastiff where are we at is it the new fees where are we
with this right let me know in the comments here Anna Bevan's like why is this guy on
okay extra weird today maybe it's just me I'm pumped up I'm pumped up because people are people
are people of all ages all around the world are getting it it's insane that is pretty cool it's
exciting happening for it we just got to keep going yep all right that's what i'm doing right
now it's happening we need to keep going and you hopefully we can publish this as a collaboration
to nikki to where everybody can just click on the the icon here and it'll show both our channels
and then you can bow go spend time with it all right all right satillionaires if you have loved
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and nickies are pretty fire fire so until next time keep stacking them sacks bye