1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,340 If you're watching today's video, you're going to learn three big things. 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,020 Number one, Gen Z is turning to Bitcoin. 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,660 Number two, the easiest way is to talk to your friends about Bitcoin 4 00:00:10,660 --> 00:00:12,680 and why it matters to start where they are. 5 00:00:12,900 --> 00:00:17,940 Number three, how to make Bitcoin the financial foundation of your life 6 00:00:17,940 --> 00:00:22,740 so you can enter this AI-shaped job market with confidence. 7 00:00:23,180 --> 00:00:28,200 Today's guest is Nikki, the 19-year-old host of the Orange Peel podcast out of Australia. 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:39,720 So if you are brand new to Bitcoin, come on inside the world's biggest Bitcoin welcome center, mate, for today's show. 9 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:40,640 That was my Australian. 10 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:51,280 Welcome to Sat Chats, the Bitcoin podcast where we chat about sats. 11 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:56,780 Sats are the smallest part of a Bitcoin the same way pennies are the smallest part of a dollar. 12 00:00:56,780 --> 00:01:03,200 With Sat Chats, we are building the world's biggest Bitcoin welcome center to serve as your gateway to generational wealth. 13 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,080 So, if you are brand new to Bitcoin, are you doing like the hand? 14 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,720 I was basically signing your intro. 15 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,140 I like that. We should have somebody sign my intro. 16 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,060 If you are brand new to Bitcoin, we want to chat about sats with you. 17 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,920 Head to satchats.com to grab your slot in the studio today. 18 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,500 I'm your host, Stuart. 19 00:01:24,260 --> 00:01:26,080 And I'm your co-host, Anna Bevan. 20 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:30,380 And with us today in the studio is 163 Nikki. 21 00:01:30,580 --> 00:01:31,360 Let's go. 22 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,160 Nikki is coming to us from the future in Australia. 23 00:01:35,060 --> 00:01:40,080 Tell us exactly what it was like for you to stack your very first Satoshi. 24 00:01:41,180 --> 00:01:47,220 So I think I've had a bit of a different story because it was actually my parents that got me into Bitcoin. 25 00:01:47,820 --> 00:01:50,340 So my, yep, yep. 26 00:01:50,340 --> 00:01:52,760 So I, for reference, I am 19. 27 00:01:52,760 --> 00:02:01,920 So I got into Bitcoin when my parents did maybe like 2024-ish, and they've been orange-pilled for a very, very long time. 28 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:08,400 I think they bought their first Bitcoin in like 2017, and then in like 2021, they bought even more. 29 00:02:08,660 --> 00:02:17,460 But it didn't really like click for them as a mindset, or they didn't start looking at it as, you know, a solution to inflation or a new form of money until about 2024. 30 00:02:17,460 --> 00:02:43,640 And then from then on, it has just been like all forces forward in the household. Every dinner table conversation when I was in high school or graduating high school was like on Bitcoin. And it was my dad was handing me so many books. You know, he handed me the Bitcoin standard price of tomorrow, broken money, all of the classics, everyone that, you know, you used to get kind of started out with Bitcoin. 31 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:51,200 but it didn't like click for me. I didn't really, you know, care about saving up money myself to put 32 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:57,760 into Bitcoin until I watched What's the Problem by Joe Bryan. And that video, I watched it in 33 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:04,680 January of 2025. And that video just like absolutely blew my entire mind. So then I was 34 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,560 like, okay, maybe my parents were actually onto something. Maybe, you know, they weren't like 35 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:14,100 talking crazy and I should take, you know, more of a look into what Bitcoin actually is. 36 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:22,760 So then I'd say I actually saved up and bought my first sats in the latter half of 2025. It was 37 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:28,900 maybe September or October. And since then, I have really, really tried to put aside money like 38 00:03:28,900 --> 00:03:33,520 every single month out of, you know, like I'm in college right now. So out of the budget that I get 39 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:38,400 and, you know, send it to River, put it into Strike, whatever I can do. 40 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,720 So definitely, you know, it's been a rolling effort for me 41 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:48,220 because my first sats obviously were given to me by my parents. 42 00:03:48,220 --> 00:03:52,040 But I think the feeling of like finally getting it, saving up, 43 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,260 and then buying mine, like that didn't click 44 00:03:54,260 --> 00:03:56,760 until after I started the podcast actually, 45 00:03:57,420 --> 00:04:00,720 which is, you know, a bit insane now to think about. 46 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:07,900 dude first of all wait i gotta jump in and say this you are living like you are the future version 47 00:04:07,900 --> 00:04:13,860 of one of what stewart wants his kids to say ah dude specifically kitty i feel like if kitty were 48 00:04:13,860 --> 00:04:19,700 to say this you would what you mean you already think she hung the moon between third and fourth 49 00:04:19,700 --> 00:04:27,000 period but like right but this would there would be it would be like who who else exists on the 50 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:34,860 planet. I like, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm still like on fire from our guests two days ago. And now Nikki 51 00:04:34,860 --> 00:04:45,200 is just like literally pouring gasoline. You're saying, you're saying that you're 19 and you are 52 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:53,820 stacking sats like the rest of us. I mean, do you even understand how much further ahead you are 53 00:04:53,820 --> 00:05:00,600 than we are just because you're you're younger i didn't stack my first satoshi until i was 54 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:11,120 my age minus two years which is 38 twice her age twice your age yeah yeah yeah like that's crazy 55 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:20,140 that is insane you have like this beautiful clean start right i mean dad gum and your mom and dad 56 00:05:20,140 --> 00:05:29,180 got you onto it, which is crazy. Love those two. They must be absolute chads, but it sounds like 57 00:05:29,180 --> 00:05:34,020 they gave you some Satoshis here and there. But what you're saying is it wasn't until a few months 58 00:05:34,020 --> 00:05:42,640 ago, September, 2025, that you took your money and bought your Satoshis in that way. Right. So 59 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:49,900 it's only been a couple of months since you've been like doing it yourself. Yes. Yes. Oh my gosh. 60 00:05:50,140 --> 00:05:54,040 Yo, somebody smash a subscribe if you're absolutely pumped for Nikki. 61 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:54,620 Yeah. 62 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:59,260 Like, if you're just absolutely so excited for Nikki, do it now. 63 00:05:59,340 --> 00:06:00,740 You might win two million sats. 64 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:01,500 You could. 65 00:06:01,860 --> 00:06:02,460 You could indeed. 66 00:06:04,940 --> 00:06:09,120 There's so much to unpack here, but this is not the first time I've heard 67 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,280 What's the Problem by Joe something or other, right? 68 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,220 And I actually started watching that video because somebody else had talked about it. 69 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,760 And it's the one where he talks about, like, an island society, correct? 70 00:06:20,140 --> 00:06:24,800 yes dude i got like 15 minutes into it i couldn't keep rolling i could not keep rolling 71 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:29,760 how long is it i think it's like half an hour do i just like halfway through and you were like no 72 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:36,400 i can't do it dude listen y'all i'm literally in the age of youtube shorts where when i scroll down 73 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:43,960 there's a lady on a split screen who's live on youtube she's pretending to be asleep underneath 74 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:50,900 is her roblox character doing nothing at all but standing around while italian brain rot music 75 00:06:50,900 --> 00:06:57,320 plays nobody has any attention span nobody has but does the but does the back half of his video 76 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:02,820 like absolutely slap or what's happening here i think what i loved most about the video was just 77 00:07:02,820 --> 00:07:07,340 how simple it is so that might be why you found it like maybe a little bit boring or hard to like 78 00:07:07,340 --> 00:07:11,860 grab your attention because it's very they don't even talk he doesn't talk about bitcoin until maybe 79 00:07:11,860 --> 00:07:17,020 like the last five minutes of the video. It's all about, you know, these two societies, 80 00:07:17,500 --> 00:07:23,440 the Satoshis and the Fiatellos, and one of them has a sound currency. The other one is continuously 81 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:31,520 increasing the supply of money. So a quite like, you know, obvious contrast between our current 82 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:37,480 money and then Bitcoin, of course. And then they run into, as the governments are starting up, 83 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:42,520 as the communities are starting up, they obviously run into, you know, wars and other problems. 84 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:48,780 And then it goes through how both of these money systems would navigate that, you know, 85 00:07:48,940 --> 00:07:53,380 Fiatela was consistently printing more money whenever there was a food shortage or whenever 86 00:07:53,380 --> 00:07:58,720 there was a war. And then Satoshi was like, no, we're not going to print money. We're going to 87 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:04,260 see what we can do otherwise. And then you look at the states of both of the societies kind of 88 00:08:04,260 --> 00:08:07,420 towards the end of the video. And obviously you see the Satoshis are doing much better. 89 00:08:07,940 --> 00:08:11,680 And that's where Bitcoin comes into play. It's got these like Pixar animated characters and 90 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:17,600 everything. And I think the way that Joe Brian speaks as well, he's very calm, he's very collected. 91 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:25,360 And so the whole video feels just very down to earth and grounded. So it's definitely not like 92 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:31,140 fun or like really like attention grabbing or anything, but it's so simple, which is why like 93 00:08:31,140 --> 00:08:33,040 that's the video that clicked for me. 94 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,480 And whenever any one of my friends is curious about Bitcoin, 95 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,420 that's the one that I point them to. 96 00:08:37,980 --> 00:08:38,500 Oh, dang. 97 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:47,140 So what was it like to talk about Bitcoin with your parents at dinner every night? 98 00:08:47,540 --> 00:08:53,280 Because if you go back to the episode with my daughter. 99 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:54,420 Yeah, that was rough. 100 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:59,060 She just literally, at one point, she does an impression of me, 101 00:08:59,060 --> 00:09:03,000 which is, oh, it's a big coin, big coin, big coin. 102 00:09:03,420 --> 00:09:04,540 Like, she's not impressed. 103 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:05,120 No. 104 00:09:05,140 --> 00:09:06,100 She's not impressed. 105 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:11,460 So, you know, here I have a clearly successful 19-year-old individual 106 00:09:11,460 --> 00:09:15,600 who has benefited from her parents being Bitcoiners. 107 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:16,200 Mm-hmm. 108 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,420 You know, hook me up. 109 00:09:18,460 --> 00:09:19,180 What is that like? 110 00:09:20,140 --> 00:09:25,180 So I will say I definitely had, like, the same exact sentiment as your daughter 111 00:09:25,180 --> 00:09:27,600 when, you know, my parents were starting out. 112 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:36,500 and they've been talking Bitcoin for quite a while, but I think in 2022, when everything that 113 00:09:36,500 --> 00:09:43,540 was happening with Bitcoin was happening in the market, I decided to write a paper on the global 114 00:09:43,540 --> 00:09:47,120 financial crisis and the emergence of Bitcoin, just because it was a topic that was kind of 115 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,880 floating around the house. And I was like, you know what? I have this whole huge paper to write 116 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:56,380 for school. I get to pick my own topic. Let's see. Can I do something on Bitcoin? So I looked at that 117 00:09:56,380 --> 00:10:02,960 connection. And that's when I first like really kind of did my own research into it, but I looked 118 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:08,020 at it from a very like technical point of view. So it's not like I wasn't orange-pilled then or 119 00:10:08,020 --> 00:10:16,360 anything. But come 2024, after Donald Trump spoke at the conference in Nashville, my parents went 120 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:21,020 full force. And then it was every single conversation. It was Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Bitcoin. 121 00:10:21,020 --> 00:10:28,380 There were these podcasts that my parents would listen to that just were like going on all day in the house. 122 00:10:28,500 --> 00:10:35,460 Like they would be, if we were having dinner, the TV would be on in the side and the volume would be super low, but the podcast was going. 123 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:45,000 They were consistently just consuming all of this knowledge and sharing with my younger brother and I in hopes to, you know, get us to understand it as well. 124 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:56,420 But I think until you, I think, really leave the house or start making your own money and start feeling the effects of inflation yourself, it's never really going to make sense. 125 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,900 So that's the sentiment that I had. 126 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,400 It never made sense to me until I moved out for college. 127 00:11:01,560 --> 00:11:04,360 And then I was like, hmm, why are things getting more expensive? 128 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:09,580 I've been at college for maybe two years now, and my rent has already increased three times. 129 00:11:10,260 --> 00:11:11,740 So that stuff is not normal. 130 00:11:11,740 --> 00:11:19,960 and it's the cost of living here in Melbourne has you know gone up exponentially from the start of 131 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:26,920 2024 so it's not until I think you start experiencing these things yourself that you 132 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,520 are going to be like okay my parents were actually on to something like at the end of the day we're 133 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:36,900 still children we're still going to believe that like we're smarter than our parents um and yeah I 134 00:11:36,900 --> 00:11:40,500 mean I I wish you know if I could go back I definitely would take what they were saying 135 00:11:40,500 --> 00:11:46,900 into consideration a lot earlier than I actually did but I am very very grateful to have the parents 136 00:11:46,900 --> 00:11:51,100 that I had because if it wasn't for them I would not have been orange-filled at all. 137 00:11:51,460 --> 00:11:56,900 One again if Kitty were to say this you would just fall dead on the floor. 138 00:11:57,420 --> 00:12:02,960 Dead. Like there's so justified I would feel. Yeah so here's like what 139 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:12,060 what um what got your parents like what made them like did they were they orange pill at the same 140 00:12:12,060 --> 00:12:18,960 time did your mom go before your dad dad before your mom and it was like a convincing household 141 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:24,540 for a little while my parents have always been into investing and they've always you know placed 142 00:12:24,540 --> 00:12:29,420 a big emphasis on financial literacy like ever since you know my brother and I were like really 143 00:12:29,420 --> 00:12:35,140 really young. That's been the biggest thing was to be financially literate and to be financially 144 00:12:35,140 --> 00:12:40,460 independent. That was the number one promise that we were made to make to our parents. 145 00:12:41,180 --> 00:12:47,140 So they didn't discover Bitcoin until about 2017 when it was all in the news and everything. And 146 00:12:47,140 --> 00:12:51,960 they knew lots of people. We were living in Thailand at the time and they were working with 147 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:59,400 this company, Agoda, and they met lots of people that had bought Bitcoin earlier and were just 148 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:05,100 absolutely booming. They were like, we've, you know, made like thousands of dollars. We have just 149 00:13:05,100 --> 00:13:10,960 like totally profited. And my parents were like, hmm, what is this Bitcoin thing that everyone is 150 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:16,640 talking about? And I think that is when they bought their very first Bitcoin, but they didn't 151 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:23,380 understand it quite yet. So then it was kind of like, I think the philosophy that they had at the 152 00:13:23,380 --> 00:13:26,780 time was we're just going to buy it and we're just going to hold it. We're just going to leave like a 153 00:13:26,780 --> 00:13:33,420 section of it and not touch it and see what happens. So they did that. And of course, you 154 00:13:33,420 --> 00:13:42,340 know, now we're in 2026 and it's gone up quite a bit since 2017. But I think when it really, 155 00:13:42,660 --> 00:13:49,000 again, like clicked for them as more than just an investment, more than just a cryptocurrency, 156 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,700 which I don't believe Bitcoin is crypto, but you know, if you're kind of new to the space, 157 00:13:54,700 --> 00:14:03,360 everything is is all the same so it didn't click for them until 2024 and then my dad definitely was 158 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:09,020 orange-pilled before my mom my my dad was like the moment he saw that conference the moment he saw that 159 00:14:09,020 --> 00:14:23,275 like donald trump was speaking about it he was like oh if the you know if a presidential candidate and an ex at that too is speaking about this maybe there is something that I missing Like if it important enough to be a part of the 160 00:14:23,275 --> 00:14:29,835 U.S. elections, then I don't think I'm seeing this properly. So then he did more research and then he 161 00:14:29,835 --> 00:14:34,215 got my mom into it. And my mom's never been opposed, but she's always kind of been like 162 00:14:34,215 --> 00:14:39,815 letting my dad handle the finances and investment side of things. She has an interest, of course, 163 00:14:39,815 --> 00:14:48,795 but you know she's she's kind of like let him be the main um i think proponent of that so then he 164 00:14:48,795 --> 00:14:53,275 got her into it and then once she was into it she was like we need to get the kids into it 165 00:14:53,275 --> 00:14:59,775 and then now my brother and i like a year-ish year and a half ish later like we are all four 166 00:14:59,775 --> 00:15:06,175 of us are like totally orange pilt dang it's like a bitcoin family so wait it's a husband a wife 167 00:15:06,175 --> 00:15:12,275 two kids one of which is a girl and one of which is a guy it's your thing yeah i knew she was from 168 00:15:12,275 --> 00:15:17,295 the future we thought it was because the time difference between here and australia no this is 169 00:15:17,295 --> 00:15:25,855 literally kitty in in in dang like seven eight years from now i know dude whoa wow so i mean 170 00:15:25,855 --> 00:15:33,755 technically you were kind of introduced around 11 years old and then again yeah yeah not for real 171 00:15:33,755 --> 00:15:35,835 until you were like 17 years old. 172 00:15:36,895 --> 00:15:37,775 Yeah, pretty much. 173 00:15:38,295 --> 00:15:38,595 Yeah. 174 00:15:38,835 --> 00:15:40,815 That is so crazy. 175 00:15:41,275 --> 00:15:41,515 Yeah. 176 00:15:41,615 --> 00:15:47,215 I can't really imagine a double parent Bitcoiner household. 177 00:15:47,755 --> 00:15:49,435 Yeah, that is also foreign for you. 178 00:15:49,435 --> 00:15:53,075 I will say to all my faithful satillionaires, 179 00:15:53,335 --> 00:15:56,115 all my Turks, right? 180 00:15:57,575 --> 00:16:00,535 So obviously, Nikki knows I'm talking about when I say Turks, right? 181 00:16:01,595 --> 00:16:02,075 Obviously. 182 00:16:02,075 --> 00:16:19,415 So just recently in a budgeting session with my wife, I've been telling her for a couple of months that we're going to need to set aside $50 a week, $54 a week to be precise, in our budget to continue dollar cost averaging into Bitcoin. 183 00:16:19,915 --> 00:16:28,015 Because my yard sale, my Magic the Gathering card collection, the random work I've done here and there, right? 184 00:16:28,175 --> 00:16:28,935 To earn your allowance. 185 00:16:28,935 --> 00:16:30,435 It's kind of drying up. 186 00:16:30,435 --> 00:16:33,775 Like I kind of like I had a gold coin I sold off. 187 00:16:33,955 --> 00:16:41,155 Like I kind of found random dollars that were just doing nothing and had been DCAing out of them. 188 00:16:41,255 --> 00:16:44,915 But we were going to we were going to have to drop from weekly to once every two weeks. 189 00:16:44,915 --> 00:16:47,855 And that was going to be devastatingly tragic. 190 00:16:47,855 --> 00:16:51,075 But literally this weekend, she was like, we can do $54. 191 00:16:51,415 --> 00:16:54,695 She blessed it officially in the budget, boys. 192 00:16:55,075 --> 00:16:55,935 We did it. 193 00:16:56,315 --> 00:16:57,235 We survived. 194 00:16:57,235 --> 00:17:01,675 We saved the weekly DCA over here at the Pelto household. 195 00:17:01,815 --> 00:17:02,855 That would have been really fun. 196 00:17:03,015 --> 00:17:05,695 Then you would have had to change your whole spiel. 197 00:17:05,895 --> 00:17:07,255 Dude, it would have been savage. 198 00:17:07,475 --> 00:17:07,675 Yeah. 199 00:17:08,015 --> 00:17:10,215 Especially given Rajat's insane spreadsheet. 200 00:17:10,415 --> 00:17:10,735 I know. 201 00:17:10,935 --> 00:17:12,935 That shows us what happens when you dollar cost average. 202 00:17:13,075 --> 00:17:18,515 Okay, so Nikki, what do you want to do with Bitcoin? 203 00:17:18,515 --> 00:17:27,675 Like what, like I get that, like it's clicking for you, the inflationary aspect of fiat currency. 204 00:17:28,775 --> 00:17:33,075 And the conversation is constant in your house. 205 00:17:33,175 --> 00:17:37,775 I feel like, I mean, we are constantly having conversations about Bitcoin. 206 00:17:37,915 --> 00:17:39,255 I mean, that's what we do every day. 207 00:17:39,355 --> 00:17:39,815 Love it. 208 00:17:39,995 --> 00:17:40,795 I mean, it's great. 209 00:17:40,915 --> 00:17:45,455 And I feel like Stuart has 100% orange pilled me. 210 00:17:45,455 --> 00:17:55,115 I didn't like a brand new class of 2025. And I was, I was thinking out here thinking I could 211 00:17:55,115 --> 00:17:59,255 out earn it out earn inflation because I can be smarter than the market. I can be smarter than 212 00:17:59,255 --> 00:18:04,535 everyone else around me and just work harder. That'll work. Um, but what do you want to do 213 00:18:04,535 --> 00:18:09,235 with it? Like, what's your, like your dream? Okay. This is a good question. This is a really 214 00:18:09,235 --> 00:18:19,355 good question. I think if you had spoken to me in August of 2025, which is when I first started, 215 00:18:19,535 --> 00:18:24,695 you know, the podcast that I run that is very focused on explaining Bitcoin for people my age 216 00:18:24,695 --> 00:18:31,055 and trying to get them into it, I would have said, you know, I would love to see more Bitcoin adoption 217 00:18:31,055 --> 00:18:38,175 amongst Gen Z, amongst people in their 20s. But now I've been thinking a lot more about 218 00:18:38,175 --> 00:18:43,615 what I'm going to do when I graduate in December of this year. And so I'm studying computer science 219 00:18:43,615 --> 00:18:48,775 and whether or not I'm going to be able to find a job, right? Because with AI coming in, like 220 00:18:48,775 --> 00:18:53,975 software engineering and even data scientists are like one of the first jobs that are being 221 00:18:53,975 --> 00:19:03,855 completely changed by the introduction of AI. So now I would love to see a future for myself 222 00:19:03,855 --> 00:19:10,955 in which I'm actively using AI to build and to contribute to society in the way that I want to 223 00:19:10,955 --> 00:19:16,455 by solving the problems that I see and using Bitcoin to protect my wealth, 224 00:19:16,955 --> 00:19:27,475 using it as what it is, a deflationary asset to store my value in and kind of just let that be 225 00:19:27,475 --> 00:19:33,535 over time. Because I think Bitcoin totally takes care of the financial aspect of things if you let 226 00:19:33,535 --> 00:19:39,715 it, if you let it do its thing and just just hodl it, I think it's going to be like I think 227 00:19:39,715 --> 00:19:45,815 the future that Gen Z will have is going to be completely secure in terms of monetary value. 228 00:19:46,735 --> 00:19:51,295 But yeah, I'd say that's my answer. Now I want to create with AI and I want to protect with Bitcoin. 229 00:19:53,135 --> 00:19:59,535 Yeah, that's good. The sword and shield. Yeah. For Nikki, AI Bitcoin. 230 00:19:59,535 --> 00:20:07,775 point yeah now I think there's something that is so like what I'm hearing from you or what I think 231 00:20:07,775 --> 00:20:17,155 I'm hearing from you is that the the curiosity and the desire to to change the world like make 232 00:20:17,155 --> 00:20:23,475 the world a better place through your like your degree basically what you've gone to school to 233 00:20:23,475 --> 00:20:29,515 learn how to do you get to define what that looks like because you're storing your value in an 234 00:20:29,515 --> 00:20:34,575 asset that's not going to do not going to like inflate over time. It's going to hold its value. 235 00:20:34,955 --> 00:20:42,615 And so that gives you the freedom to be able to build a life that is is one that you'd be really 236 00:20:42,615 --> 00:20:51,355 proud of. Yeah. Yeah. And and I think one thing about my generation is we are very, very inclined 237 00:20:51,355 --> 00:20:58,015 to change the world. I think every single one of us has dreams. We have goals and they're all 238 00:20:58,015 --> 00:21:02,795 focused on, you know, making the world a better place, doing what's right, helping people out. 239 00:21:02,995 --> 00:21:07,015 But the way that that manifests is very different when you look person to person. 240 00:21:07,835 --> 00:21:12,675 And with me, after discovering Bitcoin, I realized, you know, I could go out into the 241 00:21:12,675 --> 00:21:17,695 streets and I could protest all I wanted to. That's not going to change the world the way 242 00:21:17,695 --> 00:21:22,855 Bitcoin is going to change the world. I could, you know, go out and I could put in votes or I could 243 00:21:22,855 --> 00:21:30,115 do all the campaigning that I wanted to do. But until I started talking about Bitcoin, I didn't 244 00:21:30,115 --> 00:21:34,935 feel like I actually had any kind of power at all. It never really felt like what I was saying 245 00:21:34,935 --> 00:21:41,635 matters. But, you know, the thing with Bitcoin is it's got this philosophy of proof of work, 246 00:21:41,635 --> 00:21:47,275 right? So it's more than just going out and having these conversations. It's like, okay, 247 00:21:47,795 --> 00:21:51,875 you believe in Bitcoin, but what are you doing actually back that you believe in Bitcoin? Are 248 00:21:51,875 --> 00:21:57,475 Are you DCAing? Are you buying it? Are you putting yourself out on the internet talking about Bitcoin? 249 00:21:57,595 --> 00:22:01,715 Are you making an effort in your personal life to get the people that you love into Bitcoin? 250 00:22:02,275 --> 00:22:13,875 So it's all of these things. And I think that is where it really, not solidified, but satisfied the desire that I had to make the world a better place. 251 00:22:13,875 --> 00:22:25,395 what is the trick to convincing gen z to stack some satoshis because number one very quickly 252 00:22:25,395 --> 00:22:30,335 we're both millennials we need to know are we old and fogly 253 00:22:30,335 --> 00:22:35,695 you know what i mean like when you look at a millennial you're like oh my god 254 00:22:35,695 --> 00:22:43,455 i mean i'm not like you're talking about you're like those guys had to remember phone numbers 255 00:22:43,455 --> 00:22:48,335 because they called on the house phone to another person's house phone? 256 00:22:48,835 --> 00:22:52,075 Or are we kind of like, those dudes are cool. 257 00:22:52,375 --> 00:22:53,895 They're older than me, but they're still cool. 258 00:22:54,575 --> 00:22:55,395 What are you doing? 259 00:22:55,575 --> 00:22:58,355 I'm just trying to see what's the Gen Z perspectivo on millennials. 260 00:22:58,355 --> 00:23:01,315 Are we cool or are we like totally cooked? 261 00:23:01,495 --> 00:23:04,415 So I would say it definitely depends who you're talking to. 262 00:23:04,535 --> 00:23:06,695 I think if you're talking to someone who's my age, 263 00:23:06,715 --> 00:23:09,035 who's like touching 20 or in their 20s, 264 00:23:09,315 --> 00:23:11,635 definitely like, okay, older people are cooler. 265 00:23:11,635 --> 00:23:16,535 um if you're talking to anyone who's younger i'd say that's where you might enter like all right 266 00:23:16,535 --> 00:23:23,855 this person's totally like i i don't want to say aged out but like doesn't really understand what's 267 00:23:23,855 --> 00:23:32,315 going on in the world anymore so with bitcoin congress because they're basically in a crypt 268 00:23:32,315 --> 00:23:40,635 yeah yeah them donkers are like undead bro they are 269 00:23:40,635 --> 00:23:51,235 so what do you what's the what's the you know what what does someone from gen z value 270 00:23:51,235 --> 00:23:56,895 because we do bring every single type of person on this show to help them and i'm wondering like 271 00:23:56,895 --> 00:24:03,815 shoot, if Nikki's got a podcast that's focused on Gen Z, what's that killer angle that works for 272 00:24:03,815 --> 00:24:10,675 them? I would say relatability more than anything else. I think because of technology and because 273 00:24:10,675 --> 00:24:17,435 of social media, Gen Z is the loneliest generation that we have. And we've got serious issues with, 274 00:24:17,575 --> 00:24:23,535 you know, communication and being able to connect with other people just because COVID came and did 275 00:24:23,535 --> 00:24:29,515 like irreversible damage to, you know, to us during our formative years. And so our social 276 00:24:29,515 --> 00:24:36,475 skills are really, really bad to just say the absolute least. So relatability has landed more 277 00:24:36,475 --> 00:24:42,295 than anything else. When I talk to my friends and I want to bring up Bitcoin, I will always start 278 00:24:42,295 --> 00:24:48,595 with, hey, did you see that our rent increased last week by about 30 Australian dollars for the 279 00:24:48,595 --> 00:24:55,255 new semester? Or, hey, did you see that like, you know, something at Woolworths or Kohl's that costed 280 00:24:55,255 --> 00:25:02,955 $5 now costs about $7. And it'll start here and then I'll be slowly kind of lean into being like, 281 00:25:03,015 --> 00:25:08,075 oh, do we know why that's happening? Are we sure what inflation is? Why do governments print money? 282 00:25:08,695 --> 00:25:14,135 In short, it's to bail themselves out of the mess that they've created. But taking all of these 283 00:25:14,135 --> 00:25:18,135 things and then a lot of my friends are also working, so they have paychecks and then being 284 00:25:18,135 --> 00:25:21,935 like, okay, so what are you doing with your paycheck? And, you know, I found that they've, 285 00:25:22,055 --> 00:25:25,155 you know, put it into savings accounts, like in banks and stuff. And I'm like, 286 00:25:25,755 --> 00:25:32,095 in Australia, if you're an international student, the banks don't usually give you an interest rate. 287 00:25:32,635 --> 00:25:37,355 So your money is actually like deflating away sitting in a bank account and you think you're 288 00:25:37,355 --> 00:25:42,995 saving. And I'm like, okay, well, why don't we start by viewing Bitcoin or explaining Bitcoin 289 00:25:42,995 --> 00:25:45,295 as an alternative to a savings account. 290 00:25:46,175 --> 00:25:47,335 And so you start there. 291 00:25:47,515 --> 00:25:53,695 And then I think another thing that has really, really landed is Gen Z has a lot of fear right 292 00:25:53,695 --> 00:26:00,675 now when it comes to building a stable future, financial future because of the job market. 293 00:26:01,435 --> 00:26:06,055 So explaining Bitcoin as something that can protect your financial future and protect your 294 00:26:06,055 --> 00:26:13,435 monetary value has been, I think, the kickoff to inspiring a lot of curiosity amongst the people 295 00:26:13,435 --> 00:26:19,055 that I know and the people that watch my content, obviously. Other than that, I'd say like it really 296 00:26:19,055 --> 00:26:23,995 does depend on the person you're talking to. And this is going to sound really bad, but you have to 297 00:26:23,995 --> 00:26:29,275 play to somebody's fears when you explain Bitcoin. You have to look at what are they afraid of? What 298 00:26:29,275 --> 00:26:34,795 are they worried about? How does Bitcoin change that? That's how I got into Bitcoin, right? I was 299 00:26:34,795 --> 00:26:39,635 worried about inflation. I was worried about not being able to, you know, graduate and get a secure 300 00:26:39,635 --> 00:26:47,755 job and actually make a living for myself. And that's how I decided to view Bitcoin as, you know, 301 00:26:47,775 --> 00:26:52,815 my parents got me into it. And then I went on to study it even further and pursue content and talk 302 00:26:52,815 --> 00:26:58,235 to people. And, and now it's like, I'm at the place where I am. And I don't think that I know 303 00:26:58,235 --> 00:27:02,015 everything. I definitely don't. I think Bitcoin is one of those things. It's like, once you think, 304 00:27:02,015 --> 00:27:08,935 you know, 95% of it, another like, like huge chunk of like stuff you don't know about will like 305 00:27:08,935 --> 00:27:15,635 pop out. And it's like, oh, I really don't even know like 10% of it. So it's, it's, it's definitely 306 00:27:15,635 --> 00:27:23,675 kind of something that you have to keep reframing and reworking when you talk to people. And I'm 307 00:27:23,675 --> 00:27:29,195 sure you guys would know, you know, like as people that make it their mission to educate about Bitcoin, 308 00:27:29,195 --> 00:27:35,835 especially to those who don't know anything you have to just keep reworking your philosophy you 309 00:27:35,835 --> 00:27:40,815 have to like look at each person and be like okay so what exactly is it about you that i think would 310 00:27:40,815 --> 00:27:47,535 fit in with bitcoin and keep going from there so all in all relatability um playing to somebody's 311 00:27:47,535 --> 00:27:55,475 fears and then looking at the job market has been the consensus on on how i use big how i use um 312 00:27:55,475 --> 00:28:04,795 bitcoin to make my peers feel better yeah um this the part about fears it's tough isn't it right 313 00:28:04,795 --> 00:28:12,195 because i i come from a background before i went all in on bitcoin with this with this show i was 314 00:28:12,195 --> 00:28:20,775 in sales um cyber security sales i mean it's just and before sales i was in politics 315 00:28:20,775 --> 00:28:23,775 and I was a fundraiser. 316 00:28:23,775 --> 00:28:25,775 Literally the only thing that works is fear 317 00:28:25,775 --> 00:28:27,775 and it is an absolute shame is what I'm trying to say. 318 00:28:27,775 --> 00:28:46,730 The only way I can get somebody to do something is through fear and it is absolutely a tragedy Well I think there something a little bit different about starting the conversation with what people are afraid of when it comes to talking to them about a new topic 319 00:28:46,730 --> 00:28:55,790 And in this case, it's Bitcoin, because it's the thing that keeps people awake at night in their like when they're sitting at a red light. 320 00:28:55,790 --> 00:28:58,350 They're thinking about the thing that they're afraid of. 321 00:28:59,670 --> 00:29:02,750 I mean, it is the thing that consumes their mind. 322 00:29:03,530 --> 00:29:10,290 And so if you are able to say like, hey, this thing you're afraid of, it actually isn't impossible to solve for it. 323 00:29:10,690 --> 00:29:13,390 And most of us are afraid of running out of money. 324 00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:24,990 Like we're afraid of not being able to afford a the life we want, be the life we dream of or see the very bare minimum of a life. 325 00:29:25,790 --> 00:29:29,430 Like it's and probably should have gone like dream, want, bare minimum. 326 00:29:30,110 --> 00:29:30,730 But like. 327 00:29:31,610 --> 00:29:41,690 I think it's OK to start with fear when you're talking about a solution that is so far outside of the way that people are thinking about it. 328 00:29:41,690 --> 00:29:59,830 I mean, that's. I mean, we so we Nikki, we have made a documentary and we're working our way through the 2026 film festival season and applying. 329 00:29:59,830 --> 00:30:05,790 But the whole documentary is not necessarily about Bitcoin, but it's about inflation. 330 00:30:06,330 --> 00:30:19,210 It's talking about how people are trying to to out earn inflation or to find something that they can hold on to as a like a buoy in the ocean of inflation. 331 00:30:19,930 --> 00:30:24,530 And and it is scary. Like, it's just scary. 332 00:30:24,530 --> 00:30:30,790 yeah you're right you're right to point out that that nikki is not being predatory 333 00:30:30,790 --> 00:30:36,850 in those conversations i think it triggered my previous career where i had to tap into 334 00:30:36,850 --> 00:30:43,950 a dark art in order to survive here is a whole different kind of fear like that yeah that is 335 00:30:43,950 --> 00:30:51,870 literally like v for vendetta post-apocalyptic i robot fear like that it's just such ah but 336 00:30:51,870 --> 00:31:06,490 To your point, like Bitcoin, you know, because what you said a little bit earlier was, hey, it's almost like you've identified Bitcoin as the single biggest change agent for Gen Z. 337 00:31:06,990 --> 00:31:18,830 To go out and make the changes to what you all see as a busted world that is run by dudes that are, they're not millennials like us. 338 00:31:18,830 --> 00:31:25,990 They are fully Play-Doh stretched over the kneecap of a skeleton. 339 00:31:27,910 --> 00:31:29,910 They've had more work done. 340 00:31:30,250 --> 00:31:34,070 They're dead and someone just grabbed their skin and like pinned it behind them. 341 00:31:34,290 --> 00:31:35,330 Weekend at Bernie style. 342 00:31:35,490 --> 00:31:36,430 Exactly, right? 343 00:31:36,430 --> 00:31:49,770 Is Bitcoin the single greatest opportunity for you to carry out that Gen Z change sensation that you all have? 344 00:31:49,770 --> 00:32:09,470 I mean, yeah, I think I think obviously there's a lot more nuance to it. But in short, yes. Right now, there's not a better form of money. And this just comes down to the fact that I think every single problem that we see in society comes down to the fact that we have a broken money in the first place. 345 00:32:09,470 --> 00:32:13,130 but that's a whole different conversation you know like wars starvation 346 00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:22,130 i i could go on you know things getting more expensive it's all comes down to money and when 347 00:32:22,130 --> 00:32:29,850 you replace the form of money with something that is by design sounds unchangeable and completely 348 00:32:29,850 --> 00:32:36,670 verifiable and i think lacks lacks human involvement in that it's verifiable by computers 349 00:32:36,670 --> 00:32:38,330 and everything is written by code. 350 00:32:38,890 --> 00:32:41,610 And you could go in and you could read the lines of code 351 00:32:41,610 --> 00:32:44,950 and audit that if you're someone that that would make sense to. 352 00:32:45,850 --> 00:32:47,990 But it's completely sound. 353 00:32:48,090 --> 00:32:49,050 It's completely decentralized. 354 00:32:49,850 --> 00:32:53,070 And that in itself is a game changer. 355 00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:55,330 It is the most objective form of money, 356 00:32:55,450 --> 00:32:59,890 the most objective form of anything that we have right now in this world. 357 00:33:00,070 --> 00:33:01,870 And that's not to say, you know, 358 00:33:02,010 --> 00:33:05,050 if something better than Bitcoin were to come by, 359 00:33:05,050 --> 00:33:09,750 like you shouldn't ignore that. Bitcoin is the best we have right now. And I really don't think 360 00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:14,650 that we can get better than Bitcoin, but it's the best that we have right now. And when you're 361 00:33:14,650 --> 00:33:20,110 looking to, you know, change the world and make things better for people who are less privileged 362 00:33:20,110 --> 00:33:24,430 or, you know, help the less fortunate, you have to think about, you know, how can you actually 363 00:33:24,430 --> 00:33:29,930 help them? Because yes, you could do things like donating money or, you know, going and building 364 00:33:29,930 --> 00:33:35,570 houses or, you know, going off to the military and fighting wars. And that might help in the 365 00:33:35,570 --> 00:33:38,930 short term, but the problems are just going to keep appearing and appearing and appearing. 366 00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:44,710 With Bitcoin, we're fighting for what is almost a permanent fix, a permanent solution. 367 00:33:45,650 --> 00:33:53,030 I'm like, I'm just going to carry Nikki on my back as long as I can. And then when I'm dead, 368 00:33:53,210 --> 00:33:58,390 you just keep going. Okay. Like I'm done carrying out my own vision with sat chats. 369 00:33:58,390 --> 00:34:01,650 We're just going to try to lift Nikki up and the Gen Z. 370 00:34:03,290 --> 00:34:07,090 Like when I was 19, not at your level. 371 00:34:07,310 --> 00:34:08,870 I was not at your level. 372 00:34:09,150 --> 00:34:17,470 When I was 19, I had like a nine year olds like grasp on the world. 373 00:34:17,630 --> 00:34:23,150 I was just trying to learn junk at university and play video games when I wasn't learning 374 00:34:23,150 --> 00:34:24,090 junk at university. 375 00:34:24,090 --> 00:34:30,330 Like, dog, how can you already have what took me twice as long to get? 376 00:34:30,930 --> 00:34:31,170 Right? 377 00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:39,630 I do think, like, that Gen Z is in a position where we need to start thinking more ahead. 378 00:34:39,770 --> 00:34:52,050 And we've kind of been, you know, aged up faster than we should have been, you know, because of COVID, because we've got such an unstable currency and job market and everything. 379 00:34:52,050 --> 00:34:57,690 so I really do think that I do have the grasp of a nine-year-old on the world and how things work 380 00:34:57,690 --> 00:35:04,330 like I don't understand things I'm not saying I understand bitcoin at all I really don't but I 381 00:35:04,330 --> 00:35:10,910 think the value comes in going on the internet and putting out the content and putting yourself out 382 00:35:10,910 --> 00:35:16,530 there and be like hey I'm learning if I'm learning because I'm seeing all of these things and you're 383 00:35:16,530 --> 00:35:21,730 seeing all these things maybe you should learn about bitcoin too and and that's the entire 384 00:35:21,730 --> 00:35:27,810 premise that, you know, I am doing the podcast that I'm doing orange peel with. So that's like, 385 00:35:27,890 --> 00:35:34,050 yeah, that's my motivation. Nice. So tell us a little bit about the show then. Do you have guests? 386 00:35:34,110 --> 00:35:40,770 Do you not have guests? What's that situation? What do you cover? Yeah. So I think, um, 387 00:35:41,350 --> 00:35:48,010 I do definitely have guests. I have, you know, I had Joe Brian on as one of like my very, very 388 00:35:48,010 --> 00:35:52,650 early interviews because I was like, hey, like I reached out to him. I was like, I absolutely love 389 00:35:52,650 --> 00:35:56,890 the video. It's what got me into Bitcoin. I would love to sit you down and ask some questions. 390 00:35:57,670 --> 00:36:02,810 And obviously everyone in Bitcoin is very willing to come on as soon as you ask them to do an 391 00:36:02,810 --> 00:36:10,610 episode. Nobody is going to say no, which is it's a great space to be in. But so I had him on. I had 392 00:36:10,610 --> 00:36:16,270 Jeff Booth on in December to ask even more questions because obviously, you know, Price of 393 00:36:16,270 --> 00:36:19,090 Tomorrow is like one of the pillars in the Bitcoin community. 394 00:36:19,290 --> 00:36:21,330 It's what people get started out with. 395 00:36:21,410 --> 00:36:23,010 It's a foundational book. 396 00:36:23,810 --> 00:36:26,510 And I've seen your episode with him as well. 397 00:36:26,810 --> 00:36:32,050 And Jeff Booth is just, he's got this really calm way of speaking, but everything that he 398 00:36:32,050 --> 00:36:32,930 says lands. 399 00:36:32,930 --> 00:36:36,510 He is truly a visionary, truly just a genius altogether. 400 00:36:37,470 --> 00:36:43,990 So I do like to have guests on, but I think I also have been focusing a lot on solo content, 401 00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:49,290 keeping it short, keeping it 10 to 15 minutes, because that's not something that we have 402 00:36:49,290 --> 00:36:54,750 in the Bitcoin community. And it is really, really hard to get someone who is new to Bitcoin, 403 00:36:54,890 --> 00:36:59,710 especially if they're Gen Z, to sit down and watch a podcast that is an hour and a half or 404 00:36:59,710 --> 00:37:06,110 two hours long. You're not going to get their attention span. So I try to keep explainers to, 405 00:37:06,210 --> 00:37:10,970 you know, 10 to 15 minutes. And so I've done a video on Fiat versus Bitcoin, looking at, you know, 406 00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:17,430 what happened in 1971? What actually is the gold standard? What does fiat mean? And then I've done 407 00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:21,910 things on, you know, how just putting $10 a day into Bitcoin might make you a millionaire 408 00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:28,630 a number of years down the line. And then you're like, how to buy your first Bitcoin. And I think 409 00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:35,530 now, like come 2026, everything that I've been putting out in January has been entirely focused 410 00:37:35,530 --> 00:37:41,650 on building yourself, protecting your value, and building a personal brand with Bitcoin and AI 411 00:37:41,650 --> 00:37:48,490 in the machine economy. So that's the premise of the whole channel. It's very explorative. It's very, 412 00:37:48,490 --> 00:37:53,730 I think, casual is the best way to put it. Keeping things short, keeping things, you know, 413 00:37:53,790 --> 00:38:00,110 longer for experienced Bitcoiners who, you know, like to get a glimpse of some of the, you know, 414 00:38:00,190 --> 00:38:03,350 I think notable people in Bitcoin like to get a glimpse of their minds and everything. 415 00:38:03,350 --> 00:38:10,110 but yeah I think it's called the orange peel podcast which is a play on words from orange 416 00:38:10,110 --> 00:38:14,690 pill um and it came to me while I was eating an orange I was like oh what if I just called it 417 00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:23,670 orange peel which is uh yeah I mean it's it's funny I like it and then um yeah it's it's focused 418 00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:31,170 on gen z but I think it's it's a place to start for anyone who's maybe bitcoin curious ai curious 419 00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:35,770 or just kind of feels like with the job market, they're being pushed out. 420 00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:40,630 That is if I think if you're listening to this and that feels like you, 421 00:38:40,730 --> 00:38:44,310 then maybe Orange Peel might be a place that you might meet other people 422 00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:47,290 who are looking at the same things that you're looking for. 423 00:38:47,810 --> 00:38:48,770 I love that. 424 00:38:48,930 --> 00:38:49,210 Same. 425 00:38:49,210 --> 00:38:55,910 My dad is from Texas and says pill and peel the same word for him. 426 00:38:56,110 --> 00:38:59,050 And when we brought him on and talked about Orange Pilling him, 427 00:38:59,050 --> 00:39:05,130 he thought we were talking about orange peeling him and came back on for his bitcoin baby update 428 00:39:05,130 --> 00:39:11,650 he had a t-shirt on that was an orange getting peeled and we're like dad it's orange pill it's 429 00:39:11,650 --> 00:39:19,130 a pill it's like the matrix he's like oh i thought it was like you know peeling back the layers you 430 00:39:19,130 --> 00:39:24,810 know it's like so it sounds like i need to have your dad on then because that's like peeling back 431 00:39:24,810 --> 00:39:29,870 the layers is the whole thing of my entire channel oh you totally need to have my dad oh my gosh she 432 00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:36,090 would be great because when he came on early on in our show's history he wasn't really too sure 433 00:39:36,090 --> 00:39:44,590 about bitcoin and when we offered him his choice of 50 or 50 worth of bitcoin he you know ultimately 434 00:39:44,590 --> 00:39:49,810 left it up to me and i made the right choice for him but when he came back on in nine months his 435 00:39:49,810 --> 00:39:58,870 laser eyes were like exploding everywhere oh yeah he was going insane for bitcoin i think your mom 436 00:39:58,870 --> 00:40:07,030 is probably a bigger like she held out she held out but then we started a game show where you 437 00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:13,250 where you at you you try to answer bitcoin trivia and sat chats trivia in order to win a million 438 00:40:13,250 --> 00:40:20,110 sats on Fridays and she came on to play that game she is insanely competitive to this day 439 00:40:20,110 --> 00:40:25,790 I will not play boggle with my mom because she is impossible to beat and it's the most 440 00:40:25,790 --> 00:40:33,870 miserable experience to be like okay which one did you get and you're like uh um whale and she's 441 00:40:33,870 --> 00:40:39,890 like got it you're like whales got it you know like art got it I also don't think I've ever 442 00:40:39,890 --> 00:40:45,530 played boggle basically at me like i have you try to get words out of the mix and if someone else 443 00:40:45,530 --> 00:40:49,450 has the same word you don't get a point for it so like i would get every single word i could 444 00:40:49,450 --> 00:40:54,450 possibly get she'd have every single one oh then she would have more i yes which is makes it more 445 00:40:54,450 --> 00:41:01,110 frustrating yeah so but you got that love from your mom i think of words yeah oh definitely so 446 00:41:01,110 --> 00:41:05,870 anyways she became super competitive and ended up studying my entire show 447 00:41:05,870 --> 00:41:13,790 in order to prepare to win the game and like notes nikki and it like happened and just the 448 00:41:13,790 --> 00:41:22,370 other day she was watching um who was the dude with uh oh he was she was watching draco's episode 449 00:41:22,370 --> 00:41:28,930 oh yeah she liked that one in the comments she was like guys i finally understand that one bitcoin 450 00:41:28,930 --> 00:41:37,170 is worth one Bitcoin. I was like, dude, isn't that amazing? My seven, that is so cool. 451 00:41:37,710 --> 00:41:44,350 One Bitcoin is, so you're 19 and you're like, dude, inflation is a no. Yeah. Parallel system 452 00:41:44,350 --> 00:41:51,130 is a yes. Protecting the value in Bitcoin is a yes. My mom, 70 some odd years old. She's like, 453 00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:55,930 y'all one Bitcoin is worth one Bitcoin. What do you think is going to happen? How long until this 454 00:41:55,930 --> 00:42:03,930 whole world is on a Bitcoin standard Nikki oh my gosh okay so I I think that Gen Z is gonna see it 455 00:42:03,930 --> 00:42:08,510 in their lifetime maybe not a full Bitcoin standard but we're definitely going to see it as a part of 456 00:42:08,510 --> 00:42:17,230 our daily lives like already if I go around to some of the places in my city I have found like 457 00:42:17,230 --> 00:42:22,970 two places that accept Bitcoin already which you know like isn't a lot too out of like who knows 458 00:42:22,970 --> 00:42:28,550 would be like thousands. But the fact that I can go out and I can go, you know, out with my friends 459 00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:35,390 and we can go to the bar and we can pay for a drink in Bitcoin is pretty cool. We've got, you 460 00:42:35,390 --> 00:42:40,250 know, Bitcoin cafes popping up all around the world. And we've got, you know, Isla Mujeres, 461 00:42:40,430 --> 00:42:56,885 which is like a fully Bitcoin city They got you know the taxis accept Bitcoin the accommodation The Same thing with what happening in Lugano that a completely Bitcoin city And I think 462 00:42:56,885 --> 00:43:02,945 with all of these things popping up, it's only going to get better as time goes on. So I think 463 00:43:02,945 --> 00:43:10,785 probably when I'm in my 40s or 50s, I'm going to be able to go and pay for things in Bitcoin more 464 00:43:10,785 --> 00:43:16,565 often. And that's the only way that I think we can increase adoption. I think as Bitcoiners, 465 00:43:16,705 --> 00:43:22,385 especially if our goal is to get more people into it, we have to start actually practicing what we 466 00:43:22,385 --> 00:43:27,165 preach and start living on a Bitcoin standard ourselves. And as hard as that sounds, there are 467 00:43:27,165 --> 00:43:32,445 certain ways that you can do it in your personal life. Every single time that I go out with my 468 00:43:32,445 --> 00:43:37,405 friends and if I pay for something and they have to pay me back, I ask them to send it to me via 469 00:43:37,405 --> 00:43:44,145 strike in sats. And if they pay for something, I'll be like, yeah, I'll pay you back. I give them 470 00:43:44,145 --> 00:43:49,825 the option. Do you want me to just bank transfer you or should I send it to you via strike? And 471 00:43:49,825 --> 00:43:53,445 sometimes some of them will be like, you know what, just send me some sats. And I'm like, perfect. 472 00:43:54,065 --> 00:43:58,865 So it's these little things that we can do. And, you know, as I go to my friends, they go to their 473 00:43:58,865 --> 00:44:04,525 friends and they go to their friends and it just keeps like spiraling out that way. So Gen Z has 474 00:44:04,525 --> 00:44:11,425 the advantage of time. And if we get on Bitcoin now, then we have our formative years in our 20s, 475 00:44:11,425 --> 00:44:17,805 our 30s, our 40s to continue just working and working and working and making sure the generations 476 00:44:17,805 --> 00:44:26,905 after us get the orange pill and understand, grow up with Bitcoin, like honestly. So I think like 477 00:44:26,905 --> 00:44:34,805 there need to be more efforts in getting gen z into bitcoin if you know if someone's goal is to 478 00:44:34,805 --> 00:44:40,525 fully bring the world to a bitcoin standard because obviously like we are the future and 479 00:44:40,525 --> 00:44:44,625 then you know alpha that comes after us they are the future and then beta and i think that's the 480 00:44:44,625 --> 00:44:50,985 most that we have right now but the youth is where the future lies so that's where the effort should 481 00:44:50,985 --> 00:44:57,885 be put in do you want a scraggly old bank transfer or can i hit you with some sats 482 00:44:57,885 --> 00:45:04,865 i was like i should get my mom to pay me back in sats like when i like buy stuff and she has to like 483 00:45:04,865 --> 00:45:11,045 pay me back yeah like oh i don't oh yeah can i have him i don't i don't take dollars i don't 484 00:45:11,045 --> 00:45:16,305 take dollars i should 100 p do that yeah that would be that would be actually insufferable 485 00:45:16,305 --> 00:45:20,505 Like mom would be like, you're, she's like, do it, do it, do it. 486 00:45:20,585 --> 00:45:22,265 She'd be like, no, I'm sorry, Ashlyn. 487 00:45:22,465 --> 00:45:25,445 It's only going to be stats from here on out. 488 00:45:25,625 --> 00:45:27,545 Yeah. Like, listen, I don't accept dollars. 489 00:45:27,785 --> 00:45:30,585 So yeah, if you want to pay me back, I need the Satoshis. 490 00:45:30,825 --> 00:45:31,425 I need the stats. 491 00:45:31,445 --> 00:45:33,485 Let's freaking go. Okay. Amazing. 492 00:45:33,905 --> 00:45:35,105 What a great episode with Nikki. 493 00:45:35,525 --> 00:45:43,945 Nikki, there's so much to Bitcoin that we will never be able to fit it into a single chat about stats or the work of a single generation. 494 00:45:43,945 --> 00:45:44,885 That's what it sounds like. 495 00:45:44,885 --> 00:45:45,465 That's what I'm hearing. 496 00:45:45,585 --> 00:45:45,805 Okay. 497 00:45:46,305 --> 00:45:56,165 um and i'm ready to just lift up gen z and alpha and beta and just be like uh go forth children 498 00:45:56,165 --> 00:46:01,485 i'm dead now you know i don't even care if it works out for me anymore i'm like i'm just gonna 499 00:46:01,485 --> 00:46:06,185 break my back for you all because well that's consistent with everything you've said we're 500 00:46:06,185 --> 00:46:12,465 already toast out here in the millennial world y'all we toast the 90s rocked and then we got 501 00:46:12,465 --> 00:46:19,205 rocked okay the 90s were like the blessed time nikki all right and then it was like um 9-11 502 00:46:19,205 --> 00:46:28,185 uh war on terror uh great financial crisis um absolute garbage venture capital decade that 503 00:46:28,185 --> 00:46:33,725 led to a ton of wasted money straight into a freaking pandemic straight into a freaking 504 00:46:33,725 --> 00:46:40,565 pandemic money printing and saying we're getting destroyed as a generation and i'm like you know 505 00:46:40,565 --> 00:46:46,105 what dude i'm gonna bore a mirror this and just take a thousand arrows for you hobbits y'all keep 506 00:46:46,105 --> 00:46:51,585 going to the land of mordor because i'm toast man and none of those were our decisions like we made 507 00:46:51,585 --> 00:47:01,305 none of those decisions got absolutely dust in dc that made the decision the skeletal remains of 508 00:47:01,305 --> 00:47:05,865 the previous generations up there in the capital city clearly having a rough day with congress 509 00:47:05,865 --> 00:47:11,325 right now. So we do ask each of our guests, if they would be willing to come back. That was one 510 00:47:11,325 --> 00:47:15,085 big tangent, by the way, but what I was getting ready to do was ask if you'd be willing to come 511 00:47:15,085 --> 00:47:20,405 back on in nine months to give us an update on your Bitcoin baby, would you be willing to do that 512 00:47:20,405 --> 00:47:26,145 for us? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think you guys have got like a really fun vibes, the podcast, 513 00:47:26,145 --> 00:47:30,645 like this is the most like fun conversation that I've had on somebody else's podcast, 514 00:47:30,645 --> 00:47:35,785 which is like so cool. So I'll see you. When is nine months from now? Like September, October? 515 00:47:35,865 --> 00:47:42,405 yeah octoberish septemberish yeah mid-september mid-september no it's big mid-october because one 516 00:47:42,405 --> 00:47:50,405 plus nine is ten y'all oh okay we can't count i'm pretty certain so close to your graduation 517 00:47:50,405 --> 00:47:57,745 so we can check it and be like hey yo have you hybridized with ai now right what kind of tips 518 00:47:57,745 --> 00:48:08,465 let's turn it on over then to Ithaca hummus uh our by the dip moment sponsor Ithaca hummus 519 00:48:08,465 --> 00:48:15,805 reminds us to buy the deal thank you that took you a second I wanted to come in swoosh in at the 520 00:48:15,805 --> 00:48:20,505 end yeah I see that let me give this guy a little bit of a woven wheat stir up in this piece here 521 00:48:20,505 --> 00:48:32,225 So we are tasting as acting as your taste buds today in the studio with the classic Ithaca flavor. 522 00:48:32,985 --> 00:48:33,625 Nice. 523 00:48:34,225 --> 00:48:34,765 Yeah. 524 00:48:34,765 --> 00:48:36,525 This is Stuart's favorite flavor. 525 00:48:36,745 --> 00:48:38,045 I love classic. 526 00:48:38,485 --> 00:48:41,365 My favorite favor of ice cream is vanilla. 527 00:48:42,705 --> 00:48:46,885 My favorite flavor. 528 00:48:47,485 --> 00:48:48,125 Definitely. 529 00:48:48,125 --> 00:48:52,685 So we are going to act as your taste buds today and give this a ye old taste. 530 00:48:52,945 --> 00:48:53,265 Mmm. 531 00:48:53,505 --> 00:48:53,905 Sweet. 532 00:48:57,645 --> 00:48:58,085 Mmm. 533 00:48:59,545 --> 00:48:59,985 Mmm. 534 00:49:00,885 --> 00:49:03,465 Woven wheat cracker coming through with the salt. 535 00:49:03,945 --> 00:49:04,505 Mmm-hmm. 536 00:49:05,245 --> 00:49:08,445 A couple of grains on the fingers I'm going to hoover up like a vacuum. 537 00:49:09,105 --> 00:49:09,345 Okay? 538 00:49:10,165 --> 00:49:10,645 Mmm. 539 00:49:11,265 --> 00:49:11,745 Dang. 540 00:49:12,145 --> 00:49:13,605 That's what happened today, y'all. 541 00:49:14,185 --> 00:49:14,425 Oh. 542 00:49:14,725 --> 00:49:15,105 Dang. 543 00:49:15,545 --> 00:49:17,025 That classic is on fire. 544 00:49:17,485 --> 00:49:17,785 Okay. 545 00:49:17,785 --> 00:49:19,965 The woven wheat is like with the alley-oop. 546 00:49:20,085 --> 00:49:21,325 It's like not letting me down. 547 00:49:21,425 --> 00:49:21,885 You know what I mean? 548 00:49:22,045 --> 00:49:23,645 Well, the woven wheat never lets us down. 549 00:49:24,165 --> 00:49:29,325 Sometimes when it's fridge cold or it's like a day old, I'm like, you know. 550 00:49:29,485 --> 00:49:31,985 I sometimes like to put our woven wheats in the fridge. 551 00:49:32,185 --> 00:49:33,785 Listen, every sack counts, okay? 552 00:49:34,345 --> 00:49:38,025 I don't know if you can come over to the third camera, Zara, 553 00:49:38,545 --> 00:49:41,425 but every Satoshi does in fact count, okay? 554 00:49:41,905 --> 00:49:45,445 So sometimes we have a woven wheat that's a little, 555 00:49:45,445 --> 00:49:51,265 but that is on point today yeah it's a great one when you're back in seattle 556 00:49:51,265 --> 00:49:59,405 oh yeah yeah yeah visiting the fam yeah ithaca on this.com there you go you can figure out where 557 00:49:59,405 --> 00:50:05,505 to get some all right okay and grab some by the way taste it and then come back to the comments 558 00:50:05,505 --> 00:50:11,785 of your episode with us let the let the chat know what you thought about it okay yeah are we still 559 00:50:11,785 --> 00:50:15,505 Are we still saying chat as far as Gen Z goes or are we done saying that? 560 00:50:15,505 --> 00:50:16,085 We're still saying chat. 561 00:50:16,245 --> 00:50:16,905 We're still saying chat. 562 00:50:17,165 --> 00:50:21,625 Did you participate in the great meme reset or are you keeping the old, the old memes alive? 563 00:50:22,625 --> 00:50:33,005 So I think, I think I'm a bit older than, than the demographic that has participated in, in the great meme rate reset. 564 00:50:33,005 --> 00:50:36,165 There's a very like split between Gen Z. 565 00:50:36,165 --> 00:50:43,645 I think everyone who's like in college and above is kind of like we're still stuck in with some very like classic ones. 566 00:50:43,825 --> 00:50:52,845 And I think we're starting to get aged out of our generation a little bit because we've got all these like kids in like middle school and high school that are just like totally changing things to like brain rot. 567 00:50:53,405 --> 00:50:55,525 Oh, totally. 568 00:50:55,905 --> 00:50:57,425 And that's my son, Lion. 569 00:50:57,545 --> 00:50:58,005 You're welcome. 570 00:51:00,505 --> 00:51:04,285 The million sats question the other day was based on his episode. 571 00:51:04,285 --> 00:51:09,765 and the question was if you want to stop the government from phantom taxing your 572 00:51:09,765 --> 00:51:17,245 what should you do and the correct answer was in fact make your lasers really strong 573 00:51:17,245 --> 00:51:20,005 wow 574 00:51:20,005 --> 00:51:32,945 nobody got that right because it makes no sense whatsoever and my son's brain is cooked 575 00:51:32,945 --> 00:51:38,945 it is rotted it has in fact rotted but he's stacking satoshis he's gonna be fine so there's 576 00:51:38,945 --> 00:51:48,885 some there we go yeah all right sneaky this brings us to our cash versus bitcoin moment 577 00:51:48,885 --> 00:51:56,085 powered by salt let's go salt thank you salt for powering this moment i hoovered salt up off my 578 00:51:56,085 --> 00:51:59,705 fingertips just a second ago you might have seen it different salt different kind of salt that's 579 00:51:59,705 --> 00:52:06,345 right one one is a flavor one lender it's fine sure uh so here at sat chats we believe in value 580 00:52:06,345 --> 00:52:11,065 for value and in exchange for your time and coming on our show we'd like to give you your choice 581 00:52:11,065 --> 00:52:20,205 between 50 in fiat or 50 in bitcoin which at today's exchange rate is 54 708 is that right 582 00:52:20,205 --> 00:52:27,985 708 satoshis he moved it just a smidge too fast for me what would you like to choose 583 00:52:27,985 --> 00:52:33,045 well i mean i feel like there's like no point in asking this question like of course i'm gonna pick 584 00:52:33,045 --> 00:52:41,765 bitcoin yeah well we like to ask this question because you get a choice we don't assume 585 00:52:41,765 --> 00:52:50,565 yep uh and we have a scoreboard which is over here behind stewart and stewart though he said 586 00:52:50,565 --> 00:52:57,645 earlier his mother was very competitive he himself is very competitive yes it turns out 587 00:52:57,645 --> 00:53:02,285 I'm attempting to compete with every single government on earth right now. 588 00:53:03,125 --> 00:53:06,385 The competitive streak is actually on tilt. 589 00:53:06,385 --> 00:53:12,865 You do bring our scoreboard to 174 that have stacked the whole sheets, 590 00:53:13,025 --> 00:53:19,325 along with nine that are still up on them scraggly old bank transferinos. 591 00:53:19,665 --> 00:53:21,225 But we have had one come back. 592 00:53:21,465 --> 00:53:23,625 We picked a number nine, Paul. 593 00:53:23,805 --> 00:53:25,605 He was the first person to pick the cash. 594 00:53:25,845 --> 00:53:26,925 Yes, come on. 595 00:53:26,925 --> 00:53:30,025 He came back and he picked the sats. 596 00:53:30,145 --> 00:53:30,425 Yes. 597 00:53:30,485 --> 00:53:33,405 If you haven't seen number nine, Paul's episode, go watch it. 598 00:53:33,785 --> 00:53:37,485 He's the first guest ever to take cash and is a Bitcoiner. 599 00:53:37,685 --> 00:53:38,005 Yes. 600 00:53:38,065 --> 00:53:39,485 But felt cash was king. 601 00:53:39,965 --> 00:53:42,305 Came back for his nine-month Bitcoin baby update. 602 00:53:42,745 --> 00:53:43,705 Dude, I had been training. 603 00:53:44,225 --> 00:53:47,385 I had been like Rocky IV, a way to go. 604 00:53:47,665 --> 00:53:49,065 You went absolutely nuts. 605 00:53:49,065 --> 00:53:49,465 Lifting the stones. 606 00:53:49,765 --> 00:53:52,605 Turns out he's actually a very reasonable guy and it's fine. 607 00:53:52,745 --> 00:53:53,005 Yeah. 608 00:53:53,085 --> 00:53:54,125 And he picked the Satoshis. 609 00:53:54,205 --> 00:53:55,165 It was amazing. 610 00:53:55,565 --> 00:53:55,965 It was lovely. 611 00:53:55,965 --> 00:54:08,005 So we are on a roll. Where can our satillionaires, as we call them affectionately around y'all, go to spend more time with you and with the Orange Peel podcast? 612 00:54:09,225 --> 00:54:16,045 Yeah, so I am on X, Instagram, and TikTok as at Orange Peel Pod. 613 00:54:16,045 --> 00:54:25,885 And then also on YouTube, if you just Google Orange Peel Pod or you can Google Nikki Sharma, it'll hopefully, fingers crossed, show up under both names. 614 00:54:25,965 --> 00:54:31,105 but yeah i'm looking forward to maybe seeing some of you guys on on my channel oh we'll be there 615 00:54:31,105 --> 00:54:36,905 oh yeah i literally come into the studio for hours and hours a day and i'm just like does 616 00:54:36,905 --> 00:54:42,505 anybody want to talk about bitcoin with me because i'll talk about it i'm not a hard get 617 00:54:42,505 --> 00:54:47,225 as anna bevan says i have quote golden retriever energy 618 00:54:47,225 --> 00:54:54,165 yeah yeah i'm like i do see that you wanna do you wanna throw the ball i'll get the ball i'll 619 00:54:54,165 --> 00:54:57,945 bring it back to you do you want to throw it again do you just want to hang around with me it's like 620 00:54:57,945 --> 00:55:03,365 do can we be best friends basically 100 yeah yeah yeah that's that's that's steward yeah yeah yeah 621 00:55:03,365 --> 00:55:08,445 but we need to pick out a like a big dog we need to pick out a big dog for me okay well we can 622 00:55:08,445 --> 00:55:13,625 workshop that all right so uh put it in the comments what is the golden retriever of massive 623 00:55:13,625 --> 00:55:19,425 dog breeds because that's i need to start making that happen for myself is it the great dane is it 624 00:55:19,425 --> 00:55:25,485 the Scottish deer hound is it the English Mastiff where are we at is it the new fees where are we 625 00:55:25,485 --> 00:55:30,365 with this right let me know in the comments here Anna Bevan's like why is this guy on 626 00:55:30,365 --> 00:55:39,205 okay extra weird today maybe it's just me I'm pumped up I'm pumped up because people are people 627 00:55:39,205 --> 00:55:45,125 are people of all ages all around the world are getting it it's insane that is pretty cool it's 628 00:55:45,125 --> 00:55:50,645 exciting happening for it we just got to keep going yep all right that's what i'm doing right 629 00:55:50,645 --> 00:55:56,645 now it's happening we need to keep going and you hopefully we can publish this as a collaboration 630 00:55:56,645 --> 00:56:02,465 to nikki to where everybody can just click on the the icon here and it'll show both our channels 631 00:56:02,465 --> 00:56:10,085 and then you can bow go spend time with it all right all right satillionaires if you have loved 632 00:56:10,085 --> 00:56:15,945 today's episode and have really enjoyed the gen z perspective on bitcoin click subscribe not only 633 00:56:15,945 --> 00:56:21,625 to our page but to nicky's yeah click subscribe and then you'll be entered at your your chance to 634 00:56:21,625 --> 00:56:26,085 win 2 million sats when we get to 10 000 subscribers sorry a little out of practice today 635 00:56:26,085 --> 00:56:33,205 uh and if you would like to find out more ways to support the show uh to sponsor or even grab 636 00:56:33,205 --> 00:56:37,445 your slot in the studio you can do so in the show notes below and sat chats is for educational 637 00:56:37,445 --> 00:56:42,905 purposes only and should not be construed as financial advice our guest views are their own 638 00:56:42,905 --> 00:56:50,105 and nickies are pretty fire fire so until next time keep stacking them sacks bye