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So wait, that's a pie?
Oh, wow.
I didn't know that was a pie.
How did you get the display on?
Is that a display that we had around the line?
I bought it.
Oh, wow.
It's for a pie.
That's interesting.
Show the camera.
Let me switch it real quick.
Show the camera.
Yeah.
That's cool, dude.
And you said it's running a pie?
That's kind of what you can see.
It's running a pie.
yeah it is it's bigger brother that's cool that it's ready to show the back of it so people can
see the the back of it that's the wizard right there topher scott
that would be cool that would be cool to take to the yucatan so you can show them at the yucatan
oh no yeah you're right they'll totally think that's a they'll totally think that's a bomb
oh man people i tell you that's really cool oh man um we're doing double cameras look at that
oh wow this is a new hey new trick hey we're figuring this stuff out whoever said uh old dogs
um couldn't do them it's been a week boys it's been a week we got a lot to talk about but keon
how was your week oh it was good i didn't really exactly realize we were recording yet um
it's yeah it was good week i don't think anything happened
at all really it's almost like i went to sleep after the recording last week and then i woke up
just right now in this chair it's almost like that that's how it feels how about you guys what
What did you guys do this week?
Oh, the week isn't over yet.
That's true.
So, yeah, maybe I haven't lost a complete week yet.
Yeah, for real, dude.
For real.
You have two jobs and several side hustles, plural?
Wow.
Yeah.
I guess I can't call them hustles unless you get paid.
Okay.
Aspirational hustle.
side hustle okay pancakes monies cool that is like a lot doing two things is hard how do you
context switch how do you maintain it okay you let him hold the context
I've slowly become a middle manager.
I've made a desktop that you create.
Cool.
More than one agent at a time going type of thing?
Yeah.
And just going and going and going?
Or is it more like you're dispatching?
I have multiple projects open.
Yeah.
And then I have Claude running in each of those projects.
Yeah.
and so now all i have to do is just like check in every now and then
and manage claude and all of his friends okay so claude will himself create like a hierarchy of
other clauds i wish once we then i'll be out of a job and all the clods can just take well there
still needs to be the ceo right of the the tree of claude yeah so he needs to be the chief yeah
But I like where I'm at.
Claude is doing all the work that I don't want to do.
And it's getting really, really good at it.
And I've learned how to make Claude better.
Yeah.
And I've learned how to sort of mold Claude's malleable brain on a per project basis.
Yeah.
With lots of read me's and documentation and pulling in specifications.
but I found like a method where I can have Claude in my project and generally works like a
like a software engineer and just knows how to do everything knows the way of the land
and I really just have to give him tasks and then check in yeah every now and then to see how he's
doing and then so I just do that but now I can juggle multiple projects because I just kind of
like hot swap from one product for the next.
You're only dealing at a high level rather than having to get into details and
back out and details and back.
Yeah.
That's cool.
Yeah.
That's super awesome.
So it's addicting too.
It's a lot of fun.
I imagine so.
I think it's how programming is before you realize you could program more
effectively with AI.
It was like,
you already felt sort of powerful.
Yeah.
You're like automating things,
but now you're like extra,
you're automating automations.
It's given me the power back.
take the power back yeah because it used to be it's like oh you get into programming oh i have
all this power then you get into web development and it's like oh this sucks yeah everything is
mixed with crap what is this uh react component hook error that i have to deal with and uh so like
there's a lot of stuff that can slow you down in development especially in web development there's
just so many frameworks just so much domain knowledge it's changing all the time yeah and
it sucks a lot of the fun out of programming um but claw just does all the way yeah that's cool
and just gives me the higher level issues yeah and then i can just work from a higher level and
have claw deal with all the stuff that i don't like to deal with man it's crazy it sounds it
sounds pretty great i haven't had that much success with them yet but i haven't tried
i haven't spent enough time to be like okay this is what i'm gonna do i have no other option but
to code through this thing and then i you're like hardcore you're doing just all jobs yeah i'm still
no types i'm still doing it that way i think pretty soon i'm gonna do i'm gonna try to do
more of this stuff and see what it's like for me if you've never seen this crazy show before
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anything oh man but check it out uh the other thing is uh we're gonna jump into the top five
stories right now the number five top story is toxic lightning maximalist is this actually a
thing looking for a definition this is from yours truly october 1st lightning territory 24 comments
944 sets key on who's this guy that posted this and what the hell is he talking about well i don't
know who it is exactly but it goes by the name car it must be it might be a motor vehicle of some
kind um and uh i guess he read someone's ex-bio named chris guida and he was surprised to see it
said toxic lightning maximalists in his bio and he took it very seriously and then asked uh if
there's if there's such a thing and and if people could define it and then he later was on a podcast
and he ate a pickle for everyone to hear.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
Yeah, so what did everybody say?
Everyone, I don't know what everyone said.
It's your post.
You just explained it.
This is how the show goes.
Yeah, but I explained, I don't, I mean,
so I personally don't think there's such a thing.
I personally don't think this is a thing.
I think it was probably tongue-in-cheek in his bio.
Oh, interesting.
i don't let's um let's go to it here because um let's see chris guida no it says right there
tofer so it does say i know it says it music philosophy fitness bitcoin toxic lightning
maximus it's something i would i would add to my bio and be like he like i don't i don't maybe
chris guida really means sees himself as a toxic lightning maximalist but uh he's the only one
using that term and i think it's like a riff it's like a self-insult it's like a sort like it like
we use uh bitcoin maximalists what do you think i need a better answer than the one keon's giving me
oh well so i was reading justin shocknitz um comment and he's also my friend justin i like
just yeah he says it's not enough to be a lightning maximalist you must be toxic to fake l2 scams
which i think that is the definition of like a toxic bitcoin maximalist like you
you vehemently reject all other forms of cryptocurrency bitcoin is the only one
uh everything else is an attack on bitcoin so i'm guessing that if you were to take that over
to lightning it would be the same thing like see so this is where i get lost in the sauce and
and i'm really dumb so explain this to me so bitcoin on chain makes sense because it's bitcoin
you know and then they have all these shit coins right yeah so that makes sense why you
there are different domains yeah that would be different chains lightning it's different and
this is where i come from it's like it's lightning done privately like private channels and then
there's custodial lightning right that we know of yeah and then there's non-custodial lightning
right yeah so that's what i see i just see two versions of lightning custodial and non-custodial
so when when when i see this post is a toxic lightning maximalist non-custodial only is that
what is that what that basically comes question i don't know basically i would i would think
i don't know because if you're a toxic bitcoin maximus does that also imply self-custody
i think so i don't know if anyone i'm just trying to get to them i'm just trying to get to like i
want to get to the bottom of this that's what i'm trying to get to is like what makes you a toxic
lightning maximus is it because you're a non-custodial lightning yeah that's why i don't
think it's a real that's why i don't think it's a real term i think he was i think he just believes
strongly in lightning and it's like this maximus term is like a nice it's like a nice tongue-in-cheek
cheek, self-owned, self-
So this gets me to thinking
that, okay, so if we don't know
what the terms are, we don't know what the definitions
are, then this is more business
interest and more business aligned
than anything else. Because Justin,
I love Justin, but he has his own company.
So he has his own business
interests, right?
Same thing with Carr and Plob Lab.
Same thing with Keon and Snacker News.
And all these people that are talking the loudest
about these have their own business
interests.
i don't know like i mean who who else does have to do with business interest though i still don't
get so the time so so for i'm just like technologies so i'm just telling you for me car personally
it's in my business interest to have everybody have all sorts of options out there non-custodially
and custodially right it's in my business interest for that i don't know what's in your business
interest you would have to tell me but i would imagine for justin it's his business interest to
have everybody use shock wallet right well he's saying he's saying that uh you have to reject
all l2s on bitcoin yeah but that doesn't mean shock wallet though because it's lightning
well i don't know i would imagine i would imagine everything that he's saying there
shock wallet doesn't fall into that oh well i don't know you might have to just uh
you might have to corner him in a dark alley.
I talk to him all the time.
He's in our Slack.
So I would just ask him,
but I'm sure that that's what I'm saying.
Like,
unless you have an actual definition,
then how can we know what is a toxic lightning maximum?
Or an actual not toxic,
you know?
Yeah.
We need like,
we need an Oxford.
I think it's actually real.
I don't think it's actually real.
I think it has more to do with business interests.
I don't,
but I don't think it's real.
I don't think it has anything to do with,
business interest though i think it's just something you say i think it's like i really
believe in lightning i think lightning is like the best l2 that exists and you know and i'm a toxic
bitcoin maximalist i believe a lot in lightning i'll combine them and that's what i'll put in my
bio that's what i think and i think just like if there is such a thing as toxic lightning maximalist
i think justin's interpretation of it is right where it's like there is no other l2 there is no
other bitcoin layer that will work only lightning works i think that is like if this were if chris
were serious about this which i don't think he is that's what that's his that would be his belief
he would be against arc he would be against other l2s why would you be against arc other than
why but like that's what i'm trying to get to the understanding because it's not it's not
non-custodial is that why no it's because you're toxic and you just believe everything else is
going to be a scam because lightning is the only why is it because arc built on top of the lightning
network uh no it's not oh okay that's it's not no it's like it's like another l2 oh
yeah oh okay now i get it he doesn't i didn't realize shock that didn't like symmetry
i guess what's symmetry so ln symmetry is where you don't need to maintain all the past lightning
so these aren't even on the lightning network arc is not on the lightning network um arc
arc is arc is an l2 and you could put lightning on top of arc and make it and then there i thought
it was on the lighting and then no they're competing oh wow dude they're not explaining
that to the plebs i thought it was on the lightning network they talk about lightning a
lot because they call it an l2 i could have sworn i talked to tiro and he told me it was on the
lightning network i think it i think i think in some case i think they're considering the case
where you might want to anchor a channel in ARK
rather than on the base chain.
Oh, so in that case, okay, so I apologize, Justin.
I thought ARK was on the Lightning network.
No.
Oh, wow.
So what's Symmetry then?
LN Symmetry is just a protocol upgrade to Lightning
that would require new opcodes in Bitcoin.
And then Covenants, that's just a bit proposal, right?
Covenants is one of the opcodes.
Yeah, but it might give you different kinds of Lightning channels again.
you might get multi-party
so this is not even on the lightning network
none of this is on the lightning network
so basically
being a toxic lightning maximalist
is basically like anything goes
as long as it's on the lightning network
is what I'm now finally understanding
I think so
oh wow
wow
I learned something today
has nothing to do with business
interest
car's gonna shut up now
see I don't mind
I highly doubt
you'll shut up
I don't mind saying car
did not know
what he didn't know
but hey this is where you learn
sometimes it's better to stay in your lane
right Vick
oh man
dude that's crazy
that is crazy
I wonder how many other people
are confused by this
maybe it's just me and that's because i feel like i see this shit every day and i work with you guys
and i'm still didn't i still didn't i thought arc was on the lightning network i mean you have to
spend time to understand like you have to like dedicate it's not just you're probably not going
to get a the full view of something by the conversations that you have in the lab because
we're all like talking about things at a conceptual level you gotta you would have to kind of go in
at least read kind of one blog for each of these this whole time i thought arc was on the lightning
network yeah wild anyways well we learned some stuff today guys or at least i did the next top
story is all the other stuff happening what's bitcoin this is from scoresby bitcoin territory
September 30th, nine comments, 900 for sats.
Keon, what's this?
Yeah, well, if you were just casually looking at Bitcoin,
you would think that the only thing going on
is an op return, like meltdown.
But it turns out there's still a lot of real things
happening in Bitcoin.
And I guess Goresby went and looked at the Boston BitDevs.
They usually publish, all the BitDevs usually publish
ahead of time all the topics they're going to cover.
And noticed all of these bit proposals that were present in what they were planning to present at the Boston BitDevs.
And, yeah, shared them.
Why would he publish the Austin BitDevs?
The Boston BitDevs?
Austin.
Oh.
I think because we had already had the Austin BitDevs about a week before.
And then Boston BitDevs was happening the day that he posted this.
So he was curious if they were adding, like, newer stuff.
maybe they have a different focus
like each bit devs has
the hosts of the bit devs
they will pick topics
that are a little more
up their alley
and so it seems like
the Boston bit devs is a little more
into
the latest and greatest
Bitcoin core proposals
amazing
yeah
but there's a lot apparently there's a lot going on i didn't realize utrex though was moving
when moves so uh far that was something i had so if i have a bit number do you see anything here
that you like uh well i love utrex so uh i'm absolutely for opt tweak ad and adding elliptic
curve operations to bitcoin scripts uh which also ties into great script restoration those
are all kind of related um i don't know about the rest booby trapped wallets i i haven't read up
about that one that's interesting um block template sharing uh would be nice uh it would
help optimize uh things uh with uh relaying transactions in the mempool and mempool validation
and relay policy via user defined scripts i guess that's just improving people's ability
to add filters for their mempool.
Yeah, I've heard people talk about that.
What does that mean for the plebs at home?
Oh, so like if you're running a node,
Bitcoin node,
and you have a mempool,
your local mempool,
and you're broadcasting transactions,
you're sharing transactions with peers,
and a lot of people,
they like the independence that you have
with running your own node,
and they want to be able to have more control
over what transactions are flowing through their node.
And so Bitcoin Core only gives you
like a handful of small knobs and levers
to be able to control what transactions
are going through your node.
And it's not enough to like capture inscriptions
and all this other stuff.
So it's really hard to filter this stuff.
And nobody's really worked on...
I mean, people are working on this problem,
but I haven't really seen anything come to fruition yet,
but it would be nice to have more options
for filtering things because it's your node.
It's your resources.
It's your internet connection.
So if you don't want to relay certain transactions,
then you should have the ability to exercise that right.
Unfortunately, it's not in the software,
so people need to build better software tools
so you can do that um and so one of the things would be like yeah like having these scripts
uh where you can sort of more you can better express the stuff that you want to filter out
like a plug-in yeah so you can create cars plug-in and car rejects any transactions that have
jpegs of car wearing a cowboy oh yeah how did you see those
i have i have root access to all to all your advices man those were private
those private photos in my private folder although this bib specifically that's talking about it uh
wants nodes load a directory of javascript scripts that define acceptance rules yeah i don't know
about that yeah i don't know about javascript maybe like wasm that would be nice but see this
This is where they do these jokes in the lab, guys,
stackers at home, and I don't get it.
So I just look like I get it.
Yeah, plug-in languages, programming languages,
programming language jokes.
Ooh, we got some TypeScript types in this BIP.
Ever thought I'd see the day?
Yeah, in a BIP.
I wonder if that's a first.
It's a draft.
It doesn't have a number yet, right?
Yeah, that's a draft.
Pretty cool stuff, guys.
This is amazing.
Yeah, bros.
I love it.
The next, oh, here we go.
The next top story of the week.
The number three.
The three.
That's the three coming at you.
Knotts versus Kour.
Dun, dun, dun.
Or something more.
Nerd to Ninja.
14 comments.
5,420 sats.
Coincidence?
I think not.
keon what's this i'm still recovering from both your pickle chewing and your hey it's a pacifico
kind of day man i'm going to the yukaten next week okay starting early um yeah so like so
nerd to ninja i think is disappointed with the discourse happening around the knots versus
opportune it sounds like he's in favor of allowing people to specify any relay policy
they kind of want. They like the idea of a node user getting to choose what they're relaying just
because Bitcoin as a kind of movement is about user control, user choice, that kind of stuff.
And I think that is true. So they're in favor of it that way, but even so, they just don't like how
the debate is unfolding and what they prefer, what they wish we were debating is the way
we are working on the, um, like the primary implementation, like the, the kind of process
by which we are working with the reference implementation is what he calls it here
and what I should have called it. But the, he wants us to be discussing that, like, like how,
how should we be deciding as a, as a,
at this decentralized thing that has no one in charge of it,
what is going in and out of the reference implementation and are there things
that we can do to improve that rather than creating, you know,
an alternative reference implementation,
which is likely vulnerable to all the same incentives and problems.
If, if we assume that the, the current situation has problems.
So that's mostly what he's saying.
He's like, he wants,
he thinks we should be having a more thoughtful,
discussion about things that perhaps really matter because you know maybe if there if there
is a problem it's maybe going on with bitcoin core development right now it's like deeper than
op return um and it's maybe maybe has more to do with like social dynamics that we can change
yeah topher you got any thoughts so there's a poll oh where is it at the bottom okay
so sell my bitcoin knots fork so this is if like we just literally forked the protocol
uh and so there was two versions of bitcoin so people would sell their bitcoin knots fork
that was like 54 percent would sell their knots fork uh 8.3 percent would sell their core bitcoin
core fork that those are some hardcore yeah those are some nazis right there um so it's interesting
because like is so 54 percent sells their bitcoin knots fork then the 10 that's not sure will become
very sure very shortly because the market's going to swing uh and then the keep both 27
probably won't keep both for long they'll probably go with the bitcoin sell my bitcoin knots fork so
i think it's an interesting poll because uh you have a clear winner here um so that's what would
happen it's good to know these things it's good to know like how people would vote in a fork you
Because that's where your vote actually matters.
It's probably the most joy I've had with Bitcoin
is selling my Bitcoin cash tokens for free Bitcoin.
That was fantastic.
The dividend.
I remember that day.
That was a lovely day.
Yeah.
And then you go in other wallets,
and then you realize,
oh, I have more Bitcoin cash tokens
that have just been hiding.
And you just gather them up,
and then you sell them.
And I think it's really cool.
I think that if you have enough exchanges that have both,
and if there is a fork,
then, you know, people vote,
they literally vote with their wallets on which fork that they choose.
And so I think that's kind of cool.
But yeah, so Stacker News,
so I guess the Stacker News community,
the majority, it seems like the majority would go with a,
if there was a fork, they would tell the Nazis to F off.
I think Topher's talking about another post that has a...
Oh, wait, which one are we on?
Which fork you will sell?
Or something else.
No.
Slightly different post.
It's a different post, but about the same kind of thing,
pitting them against each other.
But Nerd to Ninja is more talking about the debate that's happening
and the quality of the debate and why it not talking about the right things but in that other post is kind of kind of similar in that it like well beyond this debate
let's talk about what matters,
which is what happens during a fork.
What side are you on?
And so they're related in that way.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
I don't see the other post.
It might've fallen out of top because it was posted on last Friday.
So it might've fallen out of the week's top.
I think it's fascinating just how far we've gotten.
Like one of the things that he brings up here is just how far the conversation has gotten to the extreme end.
And it's just human nature, right?
And decentralized communities just in general.
And you look through history and it's always been this way.
It's hard managing people just in general, especially in communities that are decentralized and much less Bitcoiners.
and then you throw money in the middle of it and then you have greed and stuff and power and
all sorts of things and that's a thing so i'm not surprised it's gone this way
to be honest this is perth par for the courses they say in the golf
the golf the golf stuff are you a golfer i used to be in high school really yeah and um
i don't know i think the more conversations we have like lightning plus plus is going on right
now so i'm sure there's great conversations around there um startup startup day is happening
next friday so we'll have some good conversations down there and then tapconf is the week after
still be even more great conversations there i think and then there's even more conferences
happening later this year i think there's a good one in el salvador that's happening so i think
these conversations will just keep happening and there's more conversations happening at the
beginning of the year and i think there will be some consensus happening at some point and i think
we'll we'll all figure it out so i think i think everything will just play out the way it's supposed
to i think everything will be fine but i'm always i'm always pretty optimistic i found the post
you found it which one is it knots versus core or something more yeah yeah that one yeah yeah
so sorry i was looking at the wrong post oh it seemed like the same you're talking about the
same thing yeah um so yeah i just wanted to bring up one thing you said that i thought was
really good um you said uh there's a fundamental asymmetry uh in the developer's ability to
understand and make changes to bitcoin um but that is meant to be a representation so like the
bitcoin code base and the software is meant to be a representation of the emergent social contract
that we're building together and i i agree with that actually because you know as developer you're
not building tools for yourself you're building tools for others that are not necessarily
developers so like bitcoin is meant to be a tool for everyone and so if there is people are using
it and yeah there's this the social construct that emerges because it is a payment network
society does sort of structure itself around money and so of course there's going to be like
the social layer around bitcoin and yeah y'all have a huge responsibility dude i don't think
y'all realize i mean i think y'all do realize especially in the lab but y'all have a huge
responsibility um i wouldn't i don't envy that position uh oh there's i mean i sleep well at
night i'm not you know what i mean like i think i think jimmy i think jimmy was bringing that up
earlier this month or last month at bitcoin builders club like it's no longer like a hundred
billion dollar market cap it's trillion trillions yeah the t so it's uh it's a huge responsibility
and you know bow out if you can't take that responsibility anymore that's what i would say
is like it's uh it's only it's going to lead to more pressure and uh responsibility and uh more
chirping yeah i feel that way running plub lab all the time and i think you shouldn't be in that
position if you can't take that responsibility i think sam altman talked about it on the tucker
carlson podcast about how he feels a responsibility but he says it comes with the job i think that's
exactly true bow out if you can't take it out if you can't take it yeah but it doesn't have to be
so nasty though part of the job yeah politics is a is an ugly job yeah i don't want bitcoin to
become political but i guess it's too late i mean thanks to david bailey that's the emergent social
part it's that's like that is just like a another word for political yeah i'm trying to think of
like what is like another example besides bitcoin where politics and technology are so intertwined
i guess ai is starting to get that way yeah but yeah we're gonna talk about it later in the show
but it's uh it's part of the job now and uh it's only gonna get worse
at least that's how i see it but i could be wrong
trying to stay in my lane vake if you're watching how's he doing vake he'll tell me at tap conf when
i see him okay you know he's going he always goes oh yeah doxed dox double doxed did you see his post
last week?
I did, yeah. I felt like that was talking
to us, do you think?
Maybe just you?
Probably.
I didn't read it, though.
I don't even get on the freeway, bro.
I want him to read it to me.
I'm waiting for that.
Maybe we can read over a steak dinner
at Roadhouse.
You got them for you, do you?
Texas Roadhouse.
$25 steaks.
I think they do, don't they?
what $25 steaks yeah Texas Roadhouse
club stick yeah yeah you pick it out of
the case if you want the next top story
is OPSEC Africa and paranoia whoa this
is from Jason B 14 comments 3883 stats
this is a September 29th Bitcoin
territory to post Bitcoin territory post
key on kind of paranoia is going on in
Africa, the motherland.
So Jason B, I think he posted like a week or two ago.
And a lot of us who were subscribed to him on Stacker News
noticed that it wasn't Jason B and it was another pseudonym.
Whoa.
But it was.
He got hacked?
But no, he just changed his pseudonym, I think for OPSEC reasons.
And he's basically writing, he's kind of writing again
that he's changed it back to Jason B.
And the reason was that he was concerned about his OPSEC
that he had started freaking out about wrench attacks and was concerned i think about his this
nem being associated with his real identity i don't know what his real identity is though um
i guess he's and he's also been in south africa which is you know at least relatively unstable
compared to the united states at least in certain parts um he's been volunteering at bitcoin akasi
there which is like one of the biggest bitcoin hubs internationally a lot of stuff going on
there a lot of the joe nakamoto videos there and any of the other like bitcoin vlogger travelers
they usually end up end up in bitcoin akasi um so him and his family are staying there he's there
with his wife and three kids uh and then yeah so he he got he got kind of parent it sounds like he
He got kind of paranoid about it, maybe had something happen.
He doesn't really get into the details there.
But he was beginning to investigate ways to improve his OPSEC before realizing that he just doesn't have much Bitcoin.
and getting his OPSEC to the level that he perhaps would bring it to
would cost him so much Bitcoin that he would be left with very little.
And that's kind of what this post is about.
Yeah.
What do you think about it?
Do you ever fear for your life about this kind of stuff, Keon?
No.
I don't have much Bitcoin.
and i also have it in a way that i guess they would just kill me have you ever i don't have
it in a way that i can recover have you ever had a somebody uh follow you and stuff like that no
i don't think i'm followable i think most people realize i'm poor yeah and then uh also that i'm
unimportant and you're really important and significant so that's the way to live right
there yeah i got that's what i would assume um i think people think i'm important but i'm really
not i'm like the least important guy in this building um tophar what about you tophar
um i'm also porn unimportant i believe that attention to me that's the way i feel about it
yeah but as far as like opsec i don't really think about it too much i'm already doxed like
10 different ways from Sunday.
Would you change that if you could?
If you could go back to when you started in Bitcoin,
would you start under a pseudonym?
Would you not reveal your face?
That kind of stuff?
Probably not because I just don't like living like that.
You have to be...
It has to be the way that you want to live.
I don't think you can keep up the OPSEC
unless it's you want to adapt it as a lifestyle but if you don't want to adapt it as a lifestyle
then you're not going to do it and it only takes you screwing up once or twice and then you're
done but i think it's like sort of the myth of perfect like it needs to be perfect i think you
can probably get like with 20 of the effort just operate under a pseudonym whenever you're out on
camera you have a mask on that's probably like you probably get 80 of the result like you're
probably gonna you'll probably be unknown to most people that yeah i think it would be like similar
to i mean if you're walking around brazil with gucci bags and prada glasses like you're gonna
get targeted so it's just like yeah simple stuff don't overtly advertise that you're a walking
pinata of money and then uh i think that i think it's just the same it's just the the same
the problems that people have been dealing with with wealth no matter how you hold it it's the
same applies to bitcoin i actually think there's just personally and maybe this is wrong to say but
i think there's just way easier people to rob personally like i think like when you look at
the celebrities that are out there and the influencers on youtube like showcasing all
their wealth and stuff like those are way easier people to rob than like bitcoiners personally
because they're way dumber they have terrible obsec and they just flaunt everything on them
like you know what i mean and like and then like and they're terrible people too like
i don't mean that like in like a bad way they're just not good people you know and like at least
with bitcoiners we're like super friendly very moral um you know we're very giving people you
You know, we give our time, our money to people, education, all that kind of stuff.
And so it's like you like there's very few Bitcoiners that I've met in real life outside of business that are like terrible people.
Very few.
I think there's maybe like one or two.
And most people know who those people are.
But like like outside of those two or three, whatever, like most of them are great.
So I think there's just that's what I that's why I'm not.
um i think i think when i think of opsec i think of it more from like the government
coming after us at some point yeah who are you trying to hide from yeah kind of depends yeah
that's how i think about it more um but i i think i think just in general the
that kind of fear propaganda that's infiltrated our space is more because of you know it's it's
just permeated at this point just through decades of uh or not decades i guess years of uh
you know fear-mongering i guess amongst our ecosystem yeah i'm interested in because think
about how many think about how many times you've seen max kaiser out in public and all these people
that are far more richer and wealthier and people than us right like i imagine they have security
details though yeah but like how close have you been to max kaiser i've been like this close to
max kaiser before like you know you know what i'm saying like those those type of people i would
imagine have way um way more bitcoin or influential than us do you know i'm saying that's why i'm not
too worried about it it's like well marita will be the test we'll see if you get pinched
when we're walking down the street i mean i'm like really nice to people and i like you know
i feel like i feel like the i feel like there's just way more people like on youtube that are
like sharing you know their houses and their million dollar yeah you know what i mean like
yeah i sleep on the floor and like go to church every week and like you know
live in a very cheap apartment like you know i don't have anything i don't have anything to rock
like if you're traveling in some group sees it as an opportunity to nab you
while you're traveling but yeah i think it's a lot of it's overblown honestly yeah um i don't know
what do you think you know i don't think it's overblown too much i mean i think i think it's
good to be paranoid in this case i think if you're in a if you're in a state where you can be armed
you should be armed in your defense.
I think you also, if you are a public figure,
you probably do not want to use a single SIG.
And yeah, and I think for the record,
you should say that you have no Bitcoin and I have no Bitcoin.
I don't have any Bitcoin.
So there you go.
that's what that's like i just don't i don't think you want to paint a target
and then you also want to be on some level defensible um and the situation where something
can happen yeah yeah good point don't come for for me or tofer
just kidding but kind of not anyways we're gonna go into the number one
top story of the week. Can you believe it? Free industrial Bitcoin miners. Keyon, what's this?
Yeah, so this is also from Jason B. I think the last post was his lead up to this post,
but he's been volunteering, I think, remotely for Bitcoin Icazi. It's a nonprofit down in South
Africa that is educating, I guess, students, I think, of various ages.
But he himself is tutoring a teenager about economics, teaching him Austrian economics.
And I guess they've been, you know, really getting serious.
And they run a node and a VTC pay server.
And then he writes about, like, some of the experiences of the student while they were
there, I guess, their local power grid operator.
Like many states in the United States, they have a kind of single-state monopoly thing.
And I guess they have had some issues and are corrupt and failing, so there's been a lot of blackouts rolling through South Africa.
And I guess in response to this, there's been a huge surge in solar panel installation there.
I think he said that he was talking to a solar installer, and they said that there was eight megawatts of solar that had been installed in the last year.
And their entire grid is 35 megawatts.
Damn.
So that's a pretty serious share of people getting solar to deal with these blackouts.
and Jason B saw this as an opportunity
perhaps to help subsidize further solar build-outs
using Bitcoin mining
and so it puts out a call for anyone
who maybe has like a last generation
like a bunch of pallets of last generation miners
or something that could be donated to South Africa
so they could start getting more people installing solar there
and Bitcoin mining
Maybe we could orange pill people by helping them offset their solar installation costs, I think is the thinking.
Looking for things that are on the order of a kilowatt, miners that are on the order of a kilowatt.
That would be a pretty early generation miner, but you could probably underclock even the latest generation to only use a few kilowatts, I would guess.
um yeah and jason b has written a lot about his own home mining uh pursuits i think he was he was
doing it normally and then he decided he wanted to heat his home see how he could heat his home
he's done done a few like guides or i guess maybe it's kind of cool yeah demonstrations of his own
work that he's done in that regard but now that he's in south africa so he was tutoring this uh
the teenager remotely and then he went and visited with his family and i think he's been there for a
month now he said um living in south africa helping out the kasi community and just yeah
uh living a bitcoin or dream dude we have all those miners in the commons just like sitting
there dude it's crazy we do have quite there's a lot of s9 floating around austin i don't that
might be i think they're like sitting there i think s9s are what like five kilowatts oh for
power usage yeah uh just need to do something with them maybe we just don't have any time man
that's the biggest problem yeah they're i mean they're it's really not when i talk to the
i'm gonna talk to the solicitors you guys would assume it's not worth hashing them i think with
I think with a single bit X might do more hash per unit energy than an S9 is the thing.
So you kind of want like at least last gen probably if you're going to try to recoup costs of any kind in terms of energy.
I would guess, but I don't actually know.
But then again, like any sats are better than no sats.
So if you do have excess energy and you have an S9 used and you don't have
access to something else, use an S9.
Car went to go get himself another beer.
Hopefully no more pickles.
I have that like thing where I want to like murder anyone.
If they're like eating, eating pickles, they're eating.
If they're eating, if they're eating like loudly, I want to,
I get like enraged.
No, there's like a thing where like, I don't know how bad I have it.
It's maybe it's a spectrum thing, but like triggering you with my pickles.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, I'll stop eating them.
I don't know.
It's like there's a word for what I have, what this thing is.
I'm glad you told me because I was going to keep eating every week.
I can't freaking stand it.
It's, I mean, I just.
It's weird because you're not even hearing the headphones.
No, but I can hear it with my like normal human ears.
So I imagine it's like ASMR.
Is that why you don't go on dinner dates with people?
I don't go on dinner dates because it's usually loud.
Is that why you don't like going to dinner with us sometimes?
No, it has nothing to do.
It's not that bad.
I can stand it.
So can you eat with people?
I can eat with people, yes.
Oh, okay.
I thought it was a weird thing.
Given the choice between working and eating with people, I'll usually prefer it.
Because, like, Super had that same tick where, like, he couldn't, like, you couldn't touch.
Remember, Topher?
Did you ever eat with Super?
Yeah, he couldn't touch his food.
Yeah.
I didn't know you couldn't touch his food.
No, like, if you, like, touch his food.
or like if like if the server came i don't know like not like put your hands in it no like if you
touch the container no like if the server said okay and whose food is this and it's like oh
supers and then and if you handed it over to like that was it you couldn't eat it yeah
oh i didn't know that about him yeah oh yeah uh yeah for me it's mostly so i can't eat that in
front of you anymore is what you're saying no you can eat it if that's too late i'm just gonna i'm
not i i love you i needed i needed to come i love and respect you too much to do that too
oh man that's her second beer um you're already on i love you man it's the truth though uh but
that's how car is but you tell me something bars you i'm not gonna do it no the so the dinner thing
is usually i'm like i'll save dinner for my wife it's like the one meal i eat a day and it's the
one uh wait so she she you eat with her too and that doesn't bother you like when she's snacking
next to you on the couch oh it'll bother me yeah i'll get like a really yeah i want to put
I want to put like a pillow over someone's face.
Dang, that's weird.
Stacker news.
What are we learning about?
Coop.
There's a word.
I wish I knew the word for it.
I'm so glad.
I'm so glad we're learning this about you.
So this whole time.
So every time we were eating like tacos in the lab together.
This is why you'll grab your food.
This is why you'll grab your food and go to the office sometimes then.
No, usually so I can look at my computer screen while I'm eating.
Dang.
This explains so much, right?
It's really just loud.
I've never seen Keanu eat.
no but this is why he'll come and grab something or while go be like hey there's food out here and
he'll be like okay i'll come grab something a little bit this is why he comes and grabs something
and then goes back in back this is super tits of you to do this no i don't that's not why i mean
i'm explaining that that's not why i do that this is my assumption now okay well you can assume that
i guess it's gonna be it's really hard to change your mind i'm gonna have to keep a an eye out now
during plebsgiving yeah so how do you do that during plebsgiving then i don't know i just yeah
i have to wear earplugs car i have to wear earplugs and i have to start looking at you
every time we're eating together now i'm gonna start looking at each other like
it's mostly when it's just when people like open eat with their mouth open that's me
yeah i know i could hear this whole time this whole time this has been bothering you and you
never told me man what else are you keeping from me uh yeah it's uh yeah i don't i wasn't keeping
it from me i was just trying to have dead air while you're servicing yourself with a beer
it's good that we're growing in a relationship here it's called uh i don't know if i'm saying
this right the condition where someone is bothered by the sounds of people eating chewing or similar
noises is called misephoria misephoria oh wow is that a thing yeah dude dang dude i have misephoria
at least a little bit.
I'm not unbothered.
Misophonia.
Misophonia. Interesting.
Dang. I'm trying to think if there's anything
that bothers me.
I'm trying to think if there's anything that
bothers me about you.
What bothers me about Coop?
I'm trying to think.
I have to think about it. I'll have one for next week, I think.
I don't know.
Can't think of anything.
not yet at least not yet give me some time give me some time yeah maybe something will come up
later in the show yeah but nothing to where it's like a misephoria you know misophonia yeah
misophonia yeah i mean it's not that you but it's not you no it's a it's a thing that's a
thing that bothers me it it's not too bad i can it's not like i you know it's just i have it sort
of infuriates me and i'm like i don't want to be infuriated but it infuriates me gosh i'm trying
Is there anything like that for you, Topher?
I know what it is, though.
Because I've hung out with you enough what it is.
Oh, things that infuriate me?
Yeah.
I try not to keep a list in the back of my mind.
You're a perfectionist.
It has to be boom, boom, boom.
Like, it has to be perfect.
Yeah.
You're an orderly orderer.
Orderly orderer.
Yeah, everything.
Well, OCD.
He's got OCD.
i wouldn't say like if something is off that it infuriates there was one time where like we were
i forget what it was we were at the lab and that came in on a monday and everything was just like
clean i was like it was already clean but it wasn't tofer clean no it wasn't tofer clean
i was like what the hell oh everything has to be aligned yeah everything has to be like
that's not too bad but you're not like ocd like you'll you'll like check the locks three times
every time. Otherwise you feel like it's
unlocked or whatever.
That's like the pathological
form. Otherwise you just
like things nice.
I guess the only thing I have
is more like I was telling Nick last night
was like the fire stuff. That's the only thing I'm
kind of like OCD about.
Making sure everything's turned off.
The coffee maker, stuff like that.
Oh.
So it would bother you at the old place when we
leave on the night.
Yeah.
yeah yeah like
have you ever lived in a house
that got caught fire yeah I did
oh I didn't know that while you were in it
yeah twice
twice what yeah we
that's for a different show maybe maybe we get to
fourth the fourth year we'll talk about it
so what the heck yeah
not my fault
but we'll have to talk about it
maybe that'll be a dark stack of news
alright that's all the top stories of the week
we're gonna jump into
to AI Bitcoin.
This week in AI, September 22nd to the 28th, 2025.
Are y'all hooked yet?
Time to start reeling in them sweet profits.
This is from Optimism.
He was talking a lot about how OpenAI
is going to start preparing advertising.
Did you hear about that, Coop?
Yeah, I did hear about it.
Not surprised.
If you're not paying for things,
I don't know what you expect.
Yeah, the one that really caught my interest
was that YouTube Music is testing AI hosts
that will interrupt your tunes.
That's not going to make it.
So apparently you're going to be able to discover
the next generation of YouTube, in case you were wondering.
A new AI music hosts are supposed to provide
a richer listener experience, according to YouTube.
As you're listening to tunes,
the AI will generate auto snippets
similar to fake podcasts that you can create
in your notebook LM called Beyond the Beat.
I don't think it sounds good.
The host will...
I lost my place.
Hang on, where was I had?
And I had a flow.
The host will break in every so often with relevant stories, trivia, and commentary about
your musical tastes.
YouTube says this feature will appear when you are listening to mixes in Radio Station.
The experimental feature is intended to be a bit like having a radio host drop some playful
banter while queuing up the next song It sounds a bit like Spotify AI DJ but with the YouTube AI it doesn create playlists like Spotify robot This is still a generative AI which comes with the risk of hallucinations and low slop neither of which belongs in your music
That said, Google's audio overviews are often surprisingly good in small doses.
What do you think, Dan?
You going to start using it, or are you going to snooze it?
Use it or snooze it.
New segment on Stacker News Live.
snooze it car how about you use it or snooze it uh it sounds kind of cool i'd i'm curious like
what'll happen if you just fed it a playlist full of like really racist and homophobic
music not that i know where to get any of that but like can you can you sort of like get the uh
the ai to just start saying like really nasty things because that's usually like what the
internet likes to do like see if they can turn these ais into same nasty things you could use
gemini i'd probably do that for you yeah it's gemini like unlocked on relative of the other
ones but didn't they do that in the very beginning or did they clean all that up
that was like 10 years ago and yeah okay whenever you release something new in the ai world it's
fun to like see if you can hack it or game it the other one i wanted to bring up was here's my
playlist of of ways to make methamphetamine the other one i wanted to bring up was from mcp to
shell so this one got shared i didn't get a chance to read through it but it basically covered the
memory when we had that mcp hack that everybody was talking about for like a week and it talked
about how there was uh basically like some kind of um i don't know if it was what was it it was the
hang on it was earlier this year mcp introduced an oauth standard to authenticate clients
many mc client mcp clients did not validate the authorization url passed by malicious mpc
mcp server we were able to exploit this bug to achieve remote code execution in popular tools
and basically they go through the whole the whole process of them exploiting the attack surface and
And they talk about explaining Cloudflare's library.
And so they go through the whole video.
It's down here at the bottom.
Let me see if I can find it.
Yeah, here.
And they talk about how they did it.
And they do a full run through.
But I just wanted to give light to it.
Because if there's anybody who is working on AI and is interested in all this stuff,
I think this would be good for you to maybe look into it.
I don't know much about it.
but I know there's a lot of people who are interested in AI who watch this
stuff.
Do you guys,
do you guys remember this exploit?
Yeah.
I remember when this dropped.
I remember hearing about it.
I don't use a lot of custom tooling outside of what comes out of the box.
So I don't really worry about this too much,
but it is,
this is like a huge problem.
Yeah.
Cause the AI's are,
the agents are naive.
So it's very easy to exploit and then tell them,
oh run this command that gives me remote uh execution on your machine i have more like a
basic question twice about it i have more like a basic question i thought mcp was supposed to fix
all this because wasn't it like an open standard so wasn't it supposed to make this a lot more like
um open because because i thought api i thought like that was the whole point of like
because it wasn't an anthropic that made the mcp standard so wasn't it supposed to fix all this
i don't know if it was supposed to fix all this um i think it was the the point of mcp was just
so that uh ais could have an easier time consuming uh tools online tools um yeah i i think um
i mean it's like it's a new paradigm so you're also going to run into like new
types of attacks that you just didn't think about before um so i hope they fixed it i think they
yeah i think they they fixed it but um there's probably even more attacks uh that other people
will figure out um because like the the agents are gullible and oh you can't even keep agents from
from preventing uh you can't even prevent agents from like giving you like recipes for making drugs
and stuff like that.
We're going to bring up another story here later.
But yeah, I just wanted to bring this up.
This is from Vera Labs.
I thought Carter posted this
and it didn't get any love.
I zapped it.
So I just wanted to bring this up.
This was in the This Week in AI thing
that Optimism does every week.
I think if you're not paying attention to this
or your stacker,
you probably should at least give it some looks
because it's pretty thorough.
It's not only thorough,
but you'll find stuff like this
that you'll probably miss.
And at least if you're not going to look at it every week,
you should probably just look every week
and go to the security and safety part section
because that's probably the most important section,
just so you see why.
The other thing we're going to cover is Wumble's Picks.
Wumble's Picks.
this is uh silent payments for privacy and bitcoin this is from coop
oh that's right what is i forgot that i shared that but yeah uh john d cook whose blog i've been
seeing for i don't know probably like a decade but he writes about bitcoin occasionally too i guess
that john b cook right here that's john d cook i think i don't think he shared a picture of another
man on his own website unless he talks himself that'd be kind of romantic i guess but um no uh
That's him.
And he wrote about silent payments.
And to be honest, I had never really looked deeply into silent payments.
I understood the basic concept, but I did not really pay much attention.
And he does a great high-level view of it, explaining the kind of simple version of the protocol.
And then Wombo picked this.
So for our Wombo's Pick segment.
But the reason why we want something like silent payments is because we don't want a dress reuse in Bitcoin.
And the reason we don't want to address for use in Bitcoin is because if you associate your identity with an address and you're only using one address, now all of your Bitcoin is associated with your identity.
So most online stores or anything, they'll generate a new address for each purchase so that if your identity gets associated with one of those addresses, it's kind of compartmentalized to just that address and all your other Bitcoin is still identity free.
And so that's why we're generally interested in this kind of stuff.
But there are contexts where it's inconvenient or you can't generate a new address every time.
For instance, you're just a human rights foundation of a kind and you want to put a donation address on your website.
And you don't want to have to have a BTC pay server or something else in the background generating a new address for every donation.
you want a static address. And so this, you can't generate a new address every time,
or you want to print out a donation address or an address for something. That's another case
where you'd want a static address. So that's why silent payments exist because they allow you,
they allow the sender to construct a new address for the receiver from a static address that the
receiver provides. And they do this by taking something that looks a lot like a Bitcoin address,
but starts with SP1. And they take that along with the inputs they're going to spend
to that address. And they construct a taproot address that they spend to. And now the receiver
of the money then scans the blockchain, looking at any taproot outputs and any inputs to that
taproot output, and combine it with their own silent payment address private key and
see if it matches the taproot output such that they can spend it.
And so that's the basic gist of what happens here.
But effectively, if I'm Alice, I'm sending Bob money, who gave me a silent payment address.
I use information that will be publicly available on the blockchain, in addition to the silent payment address, which is also public,
to construct another address
that I know that only Bob can spend from.
And that's what I spend too.
And then Bob can hunt for it on the blockchain
and recover the money.
Like that word, hunt.
Yeah, it is that resource intensive.
So I guess the pleb question here,
because I'm the pleb here,
What software will I use to use silent payments?
There's quite a few wallets that support it now.
The one that gets talked about the most is probably Cake Wallet,
but it does have a variety of other cryptocurrencies in it.
So a lot of Bitcoiners would probably not be interested in using that.
There's another one called, I think, Selenium,
which is a PWA
that's Bitcoin only for silent payments.
I think there's a handful of others.
Bitbox I think allows sending to a silent payment address.
Does Electrum or Sparrow not do so?
No, I don't think they do so yet.
You can go to silentpayments.xyz I believe
and they have a list of the wallets.
I had it pulled up here a second ago.
Silentpayments.xyz?
yeah here we go they have a wallet oh there it goes yeah they will if you go to their wallet
support i don't know if it's uh in their docs page yeah wallet support silent payments wallet
support second from the top left seconds from the top left i don't see it see bounties oh there it
goes wallet support okay so it looks like oh blue wallet bro i was just talking about you can send
though you can't receive because i can send silent payments to be a blue wallet on mobile
boss. Yeah, but you can't receive it
because receiving is the intense part.
Sending is fairly straightforward.
But Topher can send me a silent payment.
If
Topher has a blue wallet
and you're either using Cake Wallet
or Selentium
or Dana Wallet
or Chase Wallet.
To my blue wallet.
No, because blue wallet cannot
receive silent payments.
Yeah.
so you see here we have so it looks like only yeah there's not that many that there's not that many
that do it yet because again on the for the receiver it's fairly intense there i wonder why
because for the receiver it's fairly intense you have to scan the entire blockchain from the time
you create your silent payment address looking for taproot outputs why isn't anybody thrown a
grant at this uh i suspect they have there are there they say on silent payments's website they
talk about uh some of the things that they're working on one of them is an electrum-like explorer
specifically for let's get on it grant people specifically for drop some grants finding an
indexing some sats all over it indexing these um it'll happen they'll do it they'll make it happen
yeah because it looks like it's just the cake wallet that no one's going to use right
um well i think some prominent bitcoin podcasts have had them to talk about it so i think there
already are people using it but it does have other yeah cryptocurrencies and sometimes that
can be troubling um the bit box it doesn't look like that's no they can only send they can only
send blue wall i can send selentium might be selentium selentium is just a pwa an open source
pwa that you can use maybe specifically for this purpose do we know that louis singer oh do we
know him or no i don't personally know him no do you know him tofer who singer i do not okay
bit box but that doesn't receive it interesting this could be cool yeah they're my good wumble's
picks man geez wumble might also not be an exhaustive list of wallets this might be your
best pick yet wumble wumble's picks keep uh tofer what do you think about silent payments is this um
you like key tweaking stuff yeah no it's fine the payments are cool i like it dang yeah it should
be like a standard thing that uh it's almost like having an xpub but um it's it's private and people
can send you payments that uh only you know about or you and they know about yeah and otherwise on
chain it otherwise looks like a normal taproot spend so yeah yeah pretty bullish dude man i feel
like on chain's making a comeback yeah if we if we had like if it was standard for wallets to be
able to look for silent payments because we already like um like the bip 32 wallets already
do scanning yeah so to just add this i don't think it's that much more um you do have to do
the key tweaking to figure out if it's your address but it's i feel like that's so useful
and for most people like you aren't looking through too much stuff to find your payments so
dude having silent payments would be a nice addition they could put this in blue wallet
got our bid access run those little mempools got your notes are you not a tight uh toxic
lightning maximalist on car you're a toxic i feel like i feel like i feel like i feel like
i'm the darth coin meme right now and then maybe i can uh i can pay my my pleb lab bill
without feeling like i'm doxing myself we can get that over there in the corner behind tofer
telling you man on chain transactions yeah when are you gonna accept silent payments car
um and blue wallet ads like
dude this is um this bullish wumbles picks every week here on stacker news live
wumbles pics man he's getting he's getting good all right let's jump into koob's pics i bought a
sticker from a stranger on a trolley with bitcoin that's strange keon what's this yeah i thought
this was fun uh so apparently sad attack was going to school uh via trolley maybe that's just what
they call trains where he's at really uh but uh a trolley cart uh maybe yeah maybe or maybe it's a
little maybe he's in san francisco and he's on it for a real trolley um we used to have trolley
in corpus or i think and corpus yeah oh that makes sense they just like cruises down the bay
yeah like seaside town yeah everything they had a lot of it's a good view railroad it's a good sit
it's a good sit yeah they still use them in san francisco i think is it go down the fisherman's
wharf and stuff i don't know about where it goes but i have been on streets where i've seen them go
by still makes sense recent times um see why you would buy a sticker then at that point if it's just
going down the fish if you're on a trolley yeah if you're on fisherman's wharf i don't think that's
where he is i think he's probably somewhere else um but apparently he's on he's on there and there's
a guy selling his stickers where he takes his artwork that he does in some medium and turns
them into stickers and he asked the guy if he'll accept bitcoin it's a wookie it's a wookie
we're in a disneyland the guy said he drew it by hand every hair i doubt that it looks like a
picture it looks like a dog right it's like a puppy well it's a little puppy but uh anyway the
guy selling him this sold him this sticker and he asked or wanted to wanted to sell the sticker and
he asked him if he'd accept bitcoin and the guy said he'd love to but he doesn't understand it so
then he proceeded to explain bitcoin he downloaded blue orange pulled him he didn't download blue
wallet he downloaded blink which is a custodial lightning wallet available in not in san francisco
so that's another piece of evidence that this isn't happening in the united states but he hasn't
download blink he pays him the cost of the sticker i think he said it was 6 000 sats pretty
price 6 000 sats for this sticker would you buy that for 6 000 tofer maybe he bought a stack of
them i don't and this is just one that he shared it's a dude for the love of the game yeah well
he might he might have also tipped him kevin durant with a coinbase wallet what's going on
he might have given him extra to tip him because he like he sat through his orange
the love of the game he had enough he had enough time to explain to him about uh payment channels
and that sounded like the most la thing he ever said sorry kian you gotta get the money out there
getting people's pockets go ahead i'm sorry oh anyway i just i like i like this story it's a
it's a cool story occasionally you run into someone who's receptive or bored enough to let
to like kian would you let you beat their ears with bitcoin talk did you buy the sticker for
6,000 cents?
Maybe. Maybe if I were...
For the love of the game? Maybe for the love of the game.
Ted, would you buy the sticker for
$10?
Yeah. Ted's never bought a sticker in his life.
I would not buy the sticker
for 6,000
cents. How much would you pay?
I wouldn't buy it. I would say, this is a cute dog,
but I wouldn't buy it.
It's a cute dog.
it's holding a
that was the worst Star Wars
I didn't like
oh you didn't like the Wookiee Star Wars
which Star Wars is that the second one
yeah it was just as bad as the
was it a holiday special
no so like what is this Return of the Jedi
it was just as bad as
these are the Ewoks
oh it's not a Wookiee, an Ewok, my bad
yeah
it was just as bad as the last
the
yeah
wait is there a holiday special version oh the star wars holiday special with the ewoks go to
disneyland i don't know they go to disneyland but i never saw that one thank god oh man anyways
good good post that's a good laugh
anyways uh we're gonna also train is a good place to corner somebody and teach them bitcoin
yeah they're they're totally captive especially as a trolley because those aren't very long he was
like basically like you would shout across the orange bill someone oh man uh i'm gonna jump
you're jumping to my post uh first one is to ai or not to ai this is from um this company called
entropia blog or entropia they basically went through a two-week experiment building an app
with full AI assistance, exploring both the promise and frustrations of an LM-based development workflow.
And the experiment was to basically build this thing called Bernardo.
And they did it.
And first, the approach was very difficult because it had all these different workflows.
And you guys know the different workflows and the problems.
And they had hallucinations, maintainability, the flow, other people using it.
and the outcome was very poor.
And they basically came up to the opinion of like,
it's a great powerful search engine.
There's a lot of rubber ducking.
There's code snippet assistance.
There's tests.
There's language related tasks and problems,
but they were not going to use AI at the end of it.
What do you guys think?
Is it worth using AI or not?
For what?
For coding.
I think
I think most people would say
yes I don't think there's much debate about that
I think this post sounds like it was about
making a product that is
where AI is a central
value add to it I didn't read this post so I don't
really know but
to AI or not
definitely to AI
but it's not the same as coding
it's like a completely different
approach that you have to take
but absolutely
Ted to AI or not to AI?
Wow, so three to AI.
Keon, you said yes, right?
I mean, Ted's biased.
Well, I don't know what we're talking about.
Building an AI company.
Just answer the question.
It's a loaded post.
To me, when I read this, it was done by a marketer.
And he was just trying to get some clickbait.
And it worked because we're talking about it.
Because it's called Enthropia.
Here, you're getting your plug.
Choose it or snooze it.
To AI or not to AI?
Choose it or snooze it, Keon?
oh i like if it's about building with ai choose it oh wow okay but if it's it's about him plugging
his company i think he's i think he's describing building an app without ever really intervening
mostly uh yeah not really writing any code at all yeah i would say that's probably hard at least in
your context you're probably needing to provide code right tofer or are you saying or would you
guys be like no you can do it completely without it it depends on how big the project is okay if
it's if it's a small project then you probably don't have to code at all but a larger project
i would think that you you got to get in there and um i mean you're you're building something
that you have a vision for and the ai isn't going to get it exactly so you have to like go in there
tweak it clean stuff up but um i've been uh experimenting with conventions and like having
a conventions file where uh basically all the styles that you like for your code and how it
looks um or just different kind of conventions uh you put that all in a file then the ai will just
keep that in mind as it's generating code and that gets me like 90 of the way there and then there's
still a couple things i might have to like go back and you know yeah weak things here and there but
then you're more like being an editor at that point um yeah you're not writing the code you're
just editing and revising it yeah this is a nice gig i i like the i like the promotion
okay from code monkey to uh code editor code monkey manager code monkey manager yeah so it
does so it does definitely feel like you're managing um i've heard tony said that before
it does feel like you're managing a group of coders then oh it's you're totally middle managing
a group of coders.
That's kind of cool.
I mean, I've only ever used it in design,
the AI stuff,
and it's definitely 10 times better than Photoshop.
10 times better.
Especially when you know you can do things in design
that's like boom, boom, boom, boom,
that used to take you like hours.
So is it to the point where
if you're looking at a photo
and you can say like,
remove this background
or cut out this person and it'll just do it well it's funny because like yesterday i had noticed
something that i have gotten so good at design that i'm i'm seeing in prime prime numbers now
and so i have always used my spacing in prime numbers just because i was taught that from a
very early age and so that's how you're supposed to that's how i was taught and most people you can
tell like when they're when you look at their design and their spacing it's not in prime numbers
and and i can look at like the spacing there like john does it really well so i can tell with the
spacing that it's in prime numbers and then whenever i was doing it like yesterday or the
day before i was like oh that's off and i went and fixed it and the ai just automatically moved
it over i was like cool but most people can't tell that kind of stuff me and sam always talk
about it all the time but like most people that haven't been designed very long can't tell those
things but i can tell right off the bat but instead of like all the clicks that you'd have
to make to move things around to fix it you can just it'll automatically do it now where it'll
automatically do those things and you don't have to do it anymore and that and it just seems like
that's so much faster well over time it's going to get even better now so it's going to be better
about that kind of stuff so it'll start thinking like the way humans think about design and art
and like what makes a good art piece and those type of things so that's what's cool about it
yeah so if it's doing that for code i would imagine it is i'd imagine it is it's you could
probably do the same thing for design like if you have a style and then you just document what your
style is put it into words even work on that with the ai because it's like the agent's going to be
reading it so you work on it with the agent hey here's my style or like here's my work like
describe to me the style and then you kind of work on that you get your style documented and then you
kind of plug that into the agent and so anytime the agent generates something for you it's doing
it in your style i mean you see it with like the studio ghibli stuff and all that so that's why i
think it's it's i think when sam altman and some of these other like people that are doing ai where
they talk about good input or good input in or whatever that saying that they say is i think
that's true but that's also true just in creativity and what you consume as as a consumer like it's
same thing when you're working out and stuff and eating and all that kind of stuff but it's the same
thing in when you're consuming um stuff that you're going to output like if you're not consuming
good art and good um what do you call it then you're going to get bad output yeah yeah so are
you can so is this a concern that if you have the ai doing more and more of the work that some of
your creative muscles will get atrophied no because i'm consuming high quality stuff you have
you have to consume high quality stuff you consume low quality clickbaity low quality stuff
in media then you're going to get low quality output at least that's how i was taught that's
harvesting abs are made in the kitchen that's what car is saying it's not made in the gym
so his creative muscles will be made by his consumption not by exercising his creativity
okay yeah yeah because once you reach a certain kubrick talks about a lot about this like once
you reach a certain plateau of your creative muscles like once you've learned everything as
far as like the disciplines and the all the all that kind of stuff you get to a certain point where
you just need to make sure that you're you're um i just saw that movie the new paul thomas
anderson movie and there was there was there was a lot of parts in that movie where i was thinking
about doing a write-up for second news live or second news and i'm going to talk about it but
there's a lot of parts in there where it's just like he had just missed a couple things
and uh i was just like man it was almost there but it was it was it was it was it's clear as day
like those things are are missed and it was like it's it's relatable to inherent vice but almost it
could have been there will be blood and it just like man he almost got it to where there it will be there will be blood but he just missed like a few things that could have it could have been that but it not that like because to where there will be blood But he just missed a few things that could have been that But it not that Because I think there will be blood is probably his masterpiece
But you need content like that so you notice the difference.
And it kind of teases out what your preferences are.
So if you had an AI that just constantly fed you stuff that you liked all the time,
would you forget what your preferences are?
Because you don't know anything outside of it.
if you're just consuming stuff from the ai all the time so like if i'm if i'm just generating code
all the time do i then start to accept like all the the patterns that the ai uses as being like
no because i think you have enough experience like you and keon have been doing this for like
what 15 10 years 20 years whatever 300 years yeah so i think y'all have enough experience
also the same way as i do is knowing what good good and bad output is i don't have that much trust in
my ability to not atrophy i think you could maybe it's different with coding or something
i don't know yeah i think it could be i feel like i feel like i feel like i'm still learning so i
don't i don't feel like i'm done i don't feel like there is much of a plateau there is like a
a um blunting like the curve starts to blunt a little bit but i am still impressed by how little
I know regularly.
Yeah.
Oh, Ted's going to...
Yeah, go for it, Ted.
I saw a really cool post recently
that they did an MRI study of someone's brain
while they were writing essays.
And they found that the people
who were using the chat GBT to write the essays
were only activating like 10% of their brain.
And it was just in the back too.
So we know that a lot of kind of intelligence
and complex thinking is coming from the inner connectivity
throughout the whole brain.
So when you're using AI to code,
or other things, then you're not learning as much.
So it's like you really aren't using your brain as much.
So you think just like you're not using your full range of motion
with a muscle, like there definitely is some atrophy there.
Interesting.
I felt it.
There's this one feature in this code editor called Cursor,
or it's AI-powered autocomplete.
And man, I was addicted to that.
it just made i can move so fast with that thing uh but then you would uh run into a situation where
it's like oh uh i'm on an airplane i don't have internet so now the autocomplete's gone so now
you have to go back you have to go back you have to go so you go from 1x to 10x but then there are
times you have to then get go from 10x back to 1x and that sucks and then that's where i'm like oh
So, you know, even though I'm going back to 1X, it's like I lose the muscle memory of being able to move fast when it's just me and not like an agent that's assisting me.
So that's like my concern.
Like, what if you don't have Internet or the service is down and the AI goes away?
Then what are you going to do?
Like, are we going to put ourselves in a situation where without the AI, we're stranded?
We can't work anymore.
Yeah, I hear what you're saying.
do you lose the ability to do these things without it?
Yeah, it makes me wonder too.
I don't...
Go ahead, Ted.
I have baby feet.
You have baby feet?
Yeah, dude, I walk on clouds.
These like two-inch thick running shoes.
Oh.
Yeah, I don't necessarily...
think so because maybe that's why you have these other skill sets like whether it's writing or
you know these social skills or public speaking or some of these other things i think you'll have
to lean on these other skills to to fill in those gaps maybe while you're offline like do you see
foresee yourself in the future like forgetting how to use photoshop because ai just does now
because i did it for so many years yeah so it's burned yeah it's burned in my brain all those
painful things it sucked dude but do you feel like it made you better yeah dude made me better
so what about people who aren't who don't have the opportunity or the or the cost of having to
learn photoshop now becoming designers are they gonna be worse designers or they gonna be better
designers i think they'll be better designers but they probably won't learn the the things that you
guys talk about a lot they won't learn the hopefully they're still teaching in school but
they won't learn like the basics you know they'll learn maybe different basics yeah we're all part
of a of a focus group right now yeah and it's like every generation is a focus group for the
So we'll see what happens with the new generation.
Cool.
The last one I had was this other one,
but it's more kind of what we were talking about earlier
about zero-click attacks.
So this guy actually made this great video about...
I need to zap this.
Let me see if I can zap it.
Oh, let me see here.
This one.
This one talks about how Project Pegasus
and how you know you can now send you could have always sent like these m these these uh
these messages to each other and how that was a thing in 2019 and in 2015 and now with ai agents
and ai you can now do these serial click attacks which basically means these
these these ways of sending um here let me show you he kind of explains it here
so basically he says that you can let me mute this because he's talking in my ear
so basically he says that so like let's say you go to this random ai app that's online
and you're copy posting something that you don't know what this app is you have no idea what this
this ai app is right and you're like throwing it into gmail or something else like that right
he's saying that these ai agents will then use an exploit within gmail to pull your information
from within gmail to to uh to it's called like a infiltration like zero click attack
to pull that information back to the agent and then phone home basically and he's saying this
is already happening and this is like the next big like cyber security issue that they're
they're having to face now this could all be like you know just hearsay or just whatever but
the way he explains it he goes through the whole process of this is pretty alarming when i saw this
I was like, damn, it's a good 15 minute conversation.
But he's saying this is the next challenge with with AI and and how all these new kind of AI companies that spin up.
Some of these aren't are going to look just as good as some of these other AI companies that are right next to each other.
but a lot of these are just going to be malware or like be us be trying to convince you to use
their free app to then grab grab this stuff and then for you can use it inside your gmail program
or your email program or whatever your iphone or whatever just to grab your information and
potentially steal your privacy so anyways just wanted to share this with the stackers because
I thought it was like a really interesting called zero click attacks.
Cause you don't really know that they're stealing your information.
What do you think about that?
Topher,
Kian?
Zero click attacks.
They exist independent of AI.
Basically it's getting your computer to,
or device to do something that it does automatically without you clicking.
I don't know exactly how AI ties into it,
But I guess maybe if we have systems on our phone that are doing more automatic things and pulling information from more places, that is more attack surface area for zero-click attacks.
So that makes sense.
But I haven't watched this video, so I don't really know anything about it.
Yeah, this is kind of the worst-case scenario.
It's like where you have an attack that doesn't require any action from the victim.
The victim can be sleeping and get attacked.
Basically, to summarize what he's saying is don't trust Verify.
Be careful with some of the apps that you're using when you're copying and pasting some of this code,
some of this text from these different new AI tools that we're all testing and using.
and I would say just be around other builders
who are using some of these new AI tools
and don't be so...
I don't know, is there...
I know there's like a clean chat GVT type of stuff
that's out there,
but do you guys know of any other tool
that's out there that can verify what it's actually...
If there's any...
Like he says here,
is there any kind of scanning that's out there
that's input output as far as what it's actually doing
before you put it into your code base uh like what the llm is doing because he talks about this
clear text that can actually be behind the code and behind the words it's right here oh yeah yeah
so you're right there so do you see that so he has this you do code injection with fonts yeah
that's been a thing for a long time but so the the ai being involved in it i think is the novel
thing so there there wasn't a there was a a zero click ai attack um for microsoft's uh co-pilot
for microsoft 365 their office suite and uh you could do this thing where you could so so the the
co-pilot is integrated into uh all the information uh for your office so all your documents and
everything yeah and it's constantly rolling all this information up into its brain and that's
happening it's that's automatic that's just happening in the background so like the attack
was somebody could send an email uh and then that email would get picked up by code pilot
and it would do this thing called prompt injection which you were talking about earlier that's what
he's bringing up here yeah getting the agent to tell you how to make a crystal mess um so you can
also like tell the agent to yeah like give me all of your sensitive data and so if you send the right
email to do that then you can have somebody come in on the other side and uh you know trigger the
agent not knowing that the agent consumed this email with this attack payload in it yeah and it
just modifies the agent to uh to then do something that you wouldn't expect it to do yeah because the
thing is like with the agent it's i mean it is really like uh it's autonomous it's doing all this
stuff in the background on your behalf you think it's for your benefit but it might not be in in
like you're really disconnected from what it's doing like even when i'm using claude um like
the the interface for claude tries to keep you informed about like what code is being executed
and what commands are being run by the agent but things happen so fast that you it's easy for
things to slip by and you're just hoping that the agent is on your side and is you know and is
is relatively smart and understands that what it's doing and it's not uh being gamed by somebody else
behind the scenes like having it do like secret attacks that you're aware of um there's a lot of
trust that people put in these a these ais like me included so yeah i have one drive me around all
the time it was weird when i saw this i was just like damn like there's so much that could happen
that could go wrong and i i immediately thought of like you know i forget what exactly it's called
but i remember when you would be able to lock down the entire computer entire network with uh
it was called um there's a type of attack that would uh basically encrypt an entire network
oh yeah yeah the ransomware no it's not ransomware but it was called a bit bit crypt
BitLocker. Well, that was
the, that was what Microsoft's
that was their
type of encryption that they tried to use, but
BitCrypt, it was like they would basically
lock down the entire network once it got
infiltrated into the thing
and then they would do like these ransom
attacks, but this
kind of zero-click attack, that
is susceptible to that, but
on an email chain basically,
or once it gets access to your
email list and then it goes out
to everybody in your contact
list and then they use it
and then potentially their contact list
and then it spreads.
When my mind saw
this, I was like, oh wow, this could go to your
contact list and then it just spreads
the entire world and then
game over.
Then we're at Mission Impossible. What was that?
Mission Impossible 6, I think? Dead Reckoning.
Dead Reckoning Part 2.
Then we have to
page Tom Cruise and tell him to come save.
Yeah, he's going to have to come say this.
Get on the airplane and stuff.
Him and Lord Zeno.
Anyways, stackers.
Be careful out there.
Yeah, it's a really underrated post.
Key on.
Stacker News providing this alpha.
Thank you, Chocoyo.
Dude, this should be making the front page, bruh.
videos tend to not do as well
but like this
I had to sift through the
optimism man
I want to know how to get that set up in the video
oh it's all black and stuff
with the whiteboard kind of thing
but it's clear
is he actually writing on glass
doesn't Plebdav say that
no he probably has like a clear glass
in front of him and it's just green screen Topher
he's writing backwards
so it's green screen behind him Topher
and there's just clear glass in front of them.
That's all that is.
How do you write?
Wouldn't you have to write backwards?
Yes.
Yeah.
It's just years of practice.
Or you can flip it.
Oh, yeah.
So, yeah, that's what he's doing.
It's not backwards to him, but he's flipping it in the video.
Yeah, he's doing that.
Yeah, that's a good producer.
Smart.
Smart producer, whoever his producer is.
Genius.
Anyways.
yeah you should do one of those that looks like fun you want to do one kind of you can get you
we just need a paint and get you on a paint a glass thing that way we can do tophers uh
tophers tutorials sounds like that that'd be cool have a segment like tutorials all right so we're
going to go into i think we covered everything we're going to jump into meta real quick
sn research proposal keon what's this oh yeah uh so simple stacker i guess well
University of Wyoming Bitcoin Research Institute.
I think it's the first one of its kind.
They put out a call for paper abstracts,
500 words in a variety of topic areas,
pretty much all of the topic areas that you can think of,
economics, et cetera.
And Simple Stacker, as an economics professor,
wrote up an abstract for he wants to do,
So he's been teasing or saying for a while that he wants to do research on Stacker News because he's an economist and we have a micro economy.
And that's what he wrote up in his abstract and proposed that he would do analyzing the data.
And then, yeah, we don't know if he has been accepted yet.
apparently they're going to they're probably going to release a little journal maybe and i
think have like a little research um gathering what's this about that i don't understand what
is it about well this is them calling for abstracts of papers so i think what they do is they
you propose something that you want to do research on and they're like yes we'd love to see that
research um and then we'll we'll have we'll bring you down uh to wyoming to give talks over a
weekend and we'll give you we'll pay you we'll give you food and lodging
to present your to present your paper among other bitcoin research people and yeah that's kind of
kind of what it is so i'm going to do what i can to support simple stacker in that effort
that would be that would be funny if he went over there to give a
uh a talk on stacker news to imagine seeing well not a talk it's not a talk on stacker news it's
like a talk on micro i know but imagine seeing like a darth coin freaking meme like oh yeah
well if he did like stacker news live that would be hilarious a problem that'd be hilarious
is and then like Justin
Shocknett saying some crazy stuff
that'd be funny
if you do do it
Simple Stacker make sure to drop some funny stuff
in there that's all I would ask
gotta keep it real
yeah and then leverage the community I would say
like cause there's a lot of really smart people like
Undiscipline and Great Ruby and
Coop and
who else is smart I feel like we got a lot of them
those are the only ones that come off the top
of my head oh yeah real Bitcoin doggy
he's smart
yeah he's like
Arabun
why do you guys
hate on real Bitcoin dog
everybody hates on real Bitcoin
I feel like you guys
treat him he's like the Stacker News
like just beat up Matt
people just like beat him up for no reason
so sad
I just feel like that's a misrepresentation
totally true real Bitcoin dog
I don't get it
I'm the only one that respects you.
Everybody just beats up on you for some reason.
I get it.
You still haven't read his post, have you?
Oh, his story?
No, I have not read it.
It's so sad.
I forgot about all my bookmarks that I have for...
I need to go back.
it's a feature that you build
the next one
is the building a non-custodial
lightning app
Keon what's this
oh yeah so he is at
Bitcoin plus plus in Berlin
which is the topic is lightning
and he gave a talk about
our
pursuit of non-custodial
lightning app
and yeah he presented there i think he was also on a panel
and he wrote his slides in latech like a proper nerd
and yeah kind of just explained to people our journey to non-custodial and then
what do you think about when you see this kind of stuff
um i don't really think about it when i see it but i think it's fun
i've seen that meme like a thousand times now because darth corn shares it basically like in
every meta thread do you get offended or you get like yeah i'm not really that type of person i
only get offended by loud eating loud eating noise tover what do you think about did you see ek sock
uh no i haven't seen it yet yeah i want to check it out i just hope that he like um wasn't shy
from what i heard from socks he was very oh socks would too socks socks yeah socks from what i heard
from socks he did a great job and he was there and he got a lot a lot of people liked it came up to
him and stuff so wow that's cool yeah i like seeing ek hampy said he had a grit he said he
socks said he had a good like attitude and like the way he approached his talk was probably i would
guess it's like very he approached it like kind of nonchalant you know how ek oh yeah it's like oh
hey hey baby do we know if ek like flew in to be flying to the conference like like a boss i don't
think i don't know i don't know if he can fly now so oh that's true i don't think he started school
yet for flying okay so maybe he can't fly yet he didn't fly himself i don't think that was pretty
cool yeah did you hear about it ek can fly now or he's learning he's learning to fly what do you
think about that tofer it's pretty dope it's pretty cool then he can just fly over here hang
out with us more would you get a plane with ek if he could fly i don't know maybe you would
I'd give him some time.
Maybe fly some other people first.
I don't want to be the first one.
How many flights would you...
How many flights would it take before you'd...
Would you get in a plane with him?
That's a good question.
I don't know.
I never really had to think about this.
Okay, what if it was like EK flying or Dusty flying?
Who would you get in a plane with first?
Oh, Dusty can fly?
I thought Dusty can fly.
I think he's more of a sailor than he is a flight.
Okay, what if it was Dusty?
I'll get on a boat with EK.
I love you, Dusty.
What if it was either Dusty going across the Gulf
or EK going across the Gulf in a plane?
He had to get in one or the other.
I like this.
It's like Germany or Florida.
Dusty has been through more hardships.
So you're getting on the boat?
On the boat.
Or the plane.
Or on the plane?
You can either go the plane across the Gulf to TAPCOM.
Or on the boat.
With E.K.?
You choose the plane?
He doesn't have his pilots.
Can you?
What's the gulf?
I mean, don't hurricanes form there?
Well, yeah, you make a good point.
What are you getting on?
The boat?
That is where the hurricanes come from.
The boat with Dusty or the plane with E.K.?
So you would have to go near the coast.
then it takes so it has nothing to do with the person who's steering the captain or the ship or
the plane it's like how much do i value my life versus my time which i guess is kind of the same
question but i don't know being on a boat for like how long would it take to the boat i think
the boat would probably be like 10 days you and dusty are sleeping in the same bed for seven days
but you dusty's really funny though dusty's really funny no i'd i'd love to hang out on the
boat with dusty yeah love to hang out on the boat oh no i meant i was going to i just had never uh
i never happened didn't have the time yeah down there the dates didn't so what are you guys
choosing you don't have to answer if you don't want to it was just more of a joke
the boat versus the plane yeah with ek uh how about how about i take the boat
to the airport and then i hop on the plane oh wow i love that yeah support them both
Coop, what are you doing?
I'm flying commercial.
That's awesome.
If EK gets a seaplane.
Oh, that's the answer.
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
Then we just do both.
You know what my answer would be?
Nice.
You know what my answer would be?
I want Dusty as the pilot
and I want Ike as the co-pilot.
That's what I want.
On a plane?
On a plane.
Okay.
So you don't want to be on a ship?
No, not for that long.
No.
Because I think Dusty can fly a plane.
If I remember correctly.
I remember him telling me he could fly a plane.
He doesn't seem like the kind of guy.
And if he doesn't know how to fly a plane,
I'm sure he can figure it out.
Yeah, he figured out splicing.
How hard is it?
To fly a plane.
He's figuring out splicing.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, how hard can we splice?
I mean, once you figure out splicing, you can figure out a plane.
I mean.
Same thing.
These things fly themselves.
It's slightly different, but.
The other thing I wanted to share was the SNL DVD.
You want to hear it?
Or the SNL trailer?
I have a trailer for it.
I haven't even seen this.
Are we going to do this today?
Or are you going to be?
How many beers in?
Are you going to do the commentary?
I'm going to do the commentary today.
you ready for the trailer?
I guess. Tover, you want to see the trailer for SNL?
I'd love to see the trailer.
Alright, let's do it.
We got sound? I think so. I have it from my computer.
Alright, this is the trailer for SNL.
It's a DVD.
Yeah.
It's fast to load.
This is the first ever
stack of days.
Wow.
Hi, I'm Keon.
That's Keyon right there.
One of the Ascot junto with all of her girls?
He wore heads.
He Lex drew who looked like a pieces of heel.
He changed my hair down and he changed to my lawn on a search of样 Bürger's brother.
He XXXX has to jag his wife.
Look at that.
Oh no, I can't stop
That's a trailer.
So we're going to try to release it next week or week after.
That's half time.
We're going to get those 25 times.
So is it clips from different SNL episodes?
Pretty much, yeah.
That's what it is.
I mean, there's a couple of stuff,
but that's pretty much what it is.
First 100 episodes, I think.
Yeah, first 100.
Wumble put them together.
Surprised it still had the very first one.
Was that the Capital Factory?
Yeah.
They had a podcast.
cast room the green screen and a uh blockchain book says we can't get the trailer to work on
fountain yeah for whatever reason it just didn't work i don't know i need to message oscar
and then bake said stay in your lane pretty much um let me go to the tamp cowboys baby
because we're about to end the show here on top cowboys what's this what is the most popular
Yeah, it looks like nothing's changed,
which is always a very exciting thing that happens in the segment.
No, it doesn't look like any changes in the top 10, certainly.
Real Bitcoin dog.
I think Optimism.
I'm playing him this week on Fantasy Football.
Scores being Optimism might be the best race in this game right now.
Who?
They're both.
Scores being Optimism?
They're both neck and neck.
Oh, they are.
Wow.
Where are they at right here?
Who's going to lose their hat first?
we'll see well definitely not scores because he's obsessed with stacker news but that's really the
you know the top 10 they kind of stay they kind of keep ek and super simple stacker we'll see
that could that could change real bitcoin dog i don't know he might he might be my underdog right
here real bitcoin dog you know underdog your underdog real underdog real bitcoin dog change
his name uh kepp first climbing up aardvark he's just steady aardvark steady every week
yeah i haven't seen aardbrook around i guess he's still probably just steady
steady stacker renter he'll give me 38 waxers been asking some me and justin are going head
to head right there boom i'm just talking crap every day that's all i do on stacker news
making jokes making jokes on stacker news you know it's my only social media
maccabelli's been posting a picture i guess they're a like stone worker where they do
countertops oh yeah he's been posting a lot in the construction engineering territory about
like the countertop work he's doing which is cool that's cool that cascader
oscar nerd ninja peter todd so last we got jonas
mega dreamer 035 big stickers there i had kids i'd like put this on to get them to sleep
yeah tamales we got tamales we haven't seen tamales in a while
tamales yeah tamales has come back yeah oh nifty's there too now just a little bit
I think that's everybody.
Pretty cool.
Wow.
It's been a good episode.
I feel like these episodes are a lot funner when you drink.
That's how we used to do them.
Never sober, really.
Just like the early episodes.
I feel like definitely the early episodes when I was going through the DVD,
it was way more.
It's a much better episode when we're drinking.
Maybe I'll do these maybe once a month.
Just like three or four beers just to keep it lively for the snackers.
All right.
Which week of the month?
Probably the first week of the month.
First week of the month.
Drunk Car Podcast.
Hey, I'm not drunk.
I'm just having fun.
Yeah.
Do you recall some of those episodes where you're like counting how many beers you're in and make it as an excuse for everything you say?
Yeah.
It a perfect excuse Can help me I got four beers Can help me to anything It awesome Topher what are you doing this weekend Topher you going to ACL Topher
I didn't score tickets for ACL
Maybe I'll try and
grab a ticket at the gate
Oh, on Saturday?
Who's playing this weekend? Let me check real quick
ACL
Where am I?
ACL schedule
I thought it was
Okay, so tonight is
Empire of the Sun, Rilo Kiley,
Rilo Kylie.
Who else?
I guess Heuser?
Never heard of him.
Oh, the Strokes are tomorrow, bro.
You want to go see the Strokes?
I do.
I'm down.
Can we buy the cheap tickets, though?
I don't want to do VIP
because you like VIP posh stuff, though.
I do like VIP posh stuff
I know that's why I don't want to
I'm a cheap plub
So we could get some construction vests
And a ladder
And then just like act like we're there
Let's just be with the regular people
Let's be with the regular people
Topher
Do you want to come Ted?
Of course
Keon do you want to come?
I don't like concerts
I never know what to do there
you listen to music
I know but I don't need to be at a concert
to listen to music
let's go to the strokes
just get regular tickets
if you go to drugs
you can do drugs and listen to music at home
you can just walk down the street
and there will be people scalping tickets
that's what I do
but yeah the strokes would be awesome
there's Vannis Mouse playing too
John Summit
who I learned about
is like a cool electronica.
The Killers are playing?
Dude, the Killers are playing, dude.
Wow.
It's like all of 2010's
best artists. I can't believe the Killers
are playing. Dude, the Strokes would be
really cool to see, though.
The Strokes would be really cool to see.
I've never seen the Strokes play live.
Never seen them play live.
It would be
cool to see.
Who else is there? I don't know who Confidence
man is but i like the name t-pain the women go out for t-pain for sure do they yeah the women go out
for t-pain oh i didn't know there'll be a lot of ladies on sunday okay you're tapped into the lady
i just remember like i'll try it like ask tophar tophar right the ladies come out for t-pain
the ladies come out for t-pain yeah it sounds like what happens when you have an iud what's that
with an IUD.
You get some T-Pain.
It sounds like a weird thing I don't want to know.
Actually, don't tell me what it is.
You're a thaw and you have an IUD.
What is an IUD?
A recipe for T-Pain, dude.
What's an IUD?
It's a form of birth control
where they insert a T into your uterus.
Whoa.
A T-shaped device.
And it prevents male seminal fluids.
this is where you go every week you go dark reaching the fallopian like there's fanagram
on sunday um we can even go sunday if you want to i'm down what's on sunday the killer so
fanagram playing the killers are playing um do us we got there i don know if i want to be in the same crowd as the Sabrina Carpenter fans Who Sabrina Carpenter She is a musician
that is
I mean she's like Kim Kardashian
that can sing basically
I guess
I mean she has a beautiful voice
and she's a good singer
It would be cool to see The Strokes
I don't know
That's the only band I would want to see
everybody else is kind of like yeah japanese breakfast sounds delicious japanese breakfast
is that his point no modest mouse would be cool to see car seat headrest i i appreciate the name
so no before you go merch wait so how much are the tickets let's see
so weekend one oh wow it is sold out yeah they're all sold out so i don't want the whole thing what
if you just want to go for like one day oh but yeah they have one day tickets look well that's
That's weekend, too.
No, they have it for the first day.
They have one-day tickets.
No, they're just sold out right here, Keon.
Oh, I thought I saw one day.
What did you see plus?
See, one day.
Right there.
Oh, right there.
Yeah, let's just do this one, Trevor.
Okay.
Well, that's Sunday, though.
They have a general admission.
Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
We're just one day.
I thought I saw it.
Oh, verified resale.
That's why I think we just walk through and just see if they have one.
Oh, so, yeah, so you want to do...
you want to do vip plus you said that's pricey dude no i'm not gonna do vip
i mean there ain't nothing vip about zilker park i don't know where they're gonna put me
they're gonna basically i'm gonna pay 700 bucks you're basically gonna go you know where we go
for remember new year's eve did you go with this new year's eve to where we're like we were in that
little separate little area it's basically be a separate little area with like a cabana and like
chairs and seats.
It's just going to be posh.
The only good thing about that is
we'll have really nice restrooms.
A bunch of hot chicks.
They're like, oh, they're in the VIP
section. Yeah, they're just going to want
drinks from us. That's it.
They want you for your drinks and your Bitcoin.
Hold on to your Bitcoin car.
You don't need VIP.
Let's do
GA.
Do GA plus or whatever.
I didn't see that though.
Right there.
But that's Sunday.
I guess we could do Sunday.
Yeah, we could do June.
Oh, no, Saturday.
Saturday set up.
So Sundays.
But can you buy the ticket or is it going to tell you to go on a waiting list?
No, I think you can buy it.
I guess seeing the colors would be cool.
Nine minutes.
Okay.
We'll look into this when we get off air.
Anyways, stackers, you have a great weekend.
next week are we doing the show we're doing the show from you're not coming to you can stand with
us right so you just want to do it here and then we'll just do it live i'm down okay so you're
going to do it there me tofer and francisco and the rest of the crew from plub lab we'll
do it in marita live from there and uh we'll probably be massively ripped it'll be massively
drunk yeah tequila i think last year when we did it from mexico city carlos was giving us
shots it was i remember that it was crazy um and then the week after that will be a tab conf and
we're going to do that one on thursday so the next two weeks stackers will be uh will be on tour
so stacker news going on tour not one you can attend but no they can come to the 10 the tab come oh you can go up into the yucatan if you want to come to yucatan oh actually let me
plug that real quick because you probably should so if you're coming to uh if you're if you live
in latin america come to the yucatan we have uh five days so we'll be there i'm gonna be there
on monday are you coming on monday tover uh i will be there on monday yeah yeah so we're gonna be
there from monday on francisco's gonna give the keynote uh we have a lot of announcements um a lot
of good stuff and uh yeah we're gonna have some really cool announcements there's gonna be
some really good panels we're gonna talk about lighting stuff you should check it out it's gonna
be really fun and then we're gonna have a party at night dude francisco's gonna do something really
cool on thursday night he told us okay yeah so be on social media maybe we'll post on second
news if we remember but uh just be ready for it it's gonna go viral that's what he told me
i believe him um so that's gonna happen and then yeah a lot of speakers there but if you haven't
already get your tickets if you want to come i think we still have them here yeah if you live
local which you probably do if you're nearby 99 and if you don't uh 299 but it's for the whole week
it's like thursday friday and saturday what if i buy a low what if i'm not local and i buy a local
and i show up how will you tell if i'm not local just like give car the wink like this go you'll
say car said will you give me like a spanish no just just say car said on stacker news live he was
drunk that he said i could come in just say that and just show up just say car said it francisco
You're probably not listening to this, so it's fine.
Okay.
Just tell him Carl was four beers in.
I'm kidding.
You're not four beers in.
I am four beers in, but don't tell him I said that.
Just say Carl said it was cool.
But either way, if you can't afford it, you buy the $2.99 pass,
and if you can't, you still buy the $2.99 pass,
because we've got to make money.
We're plebs.
But I will say it's going to be a banger.
It's for three days, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
And then we're also announcing something on Tuesday.
So there's another special thing happening on Tuesday,
which we're going to make an announcement.
So that's another really cool thing that hasn't even been announced yet.
So stay tuned for that.
Lots of sneaky stuff happening.
A lot of sneaky stuff that's happening, Kian.
Let me tell you, a lot of sneaky stuff.
Sounds like it.
So stuff that's getting announced on Tuesday,
and then that's going to be happening Thursday.
You'll want to be there Thursday.
I would buy the ticket.
Who off in the lab is going?
Everybody except for you, I think.
Okay.
Ted's going?
Is Jimmy going?
Everybody's going.
Okay.
Nick going?
No, Nick's not going.
What about PubDev?
I don't think so.
No, because he's going to that thing, remember?
Yeah.
Anyway, and then after that, we'll be at TapConf.
but probably should go to this if you're nearby and then the other thing was what else did i want
to talk about i think that was it i think that's everything either way we'll we'll be on tour next
two weeks snackers have yourself a great merry christmas week and happy new year yeah keon zap