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Live from Blood Lab in Austin, Texas, this is Stacker News Live!

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So wait, that's a pie?

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Oh, wow.

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I didn't know that was a pie.

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How did you get the display on?

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Is that a display that we had around the line?

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I bought it.

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Oh, wow.

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It's for a pie.

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That's interesting.

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Show the camera.

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Let me switch it real quick.

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Show the camera.

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Yeah.

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That's cool, dude.

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And you said it's running a pie?

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That's kind of what you can see.

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It's running a pie.

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yeah it is it's bigger brother that's cool that it's ready to show the back of it so people can

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see the the back of it that's the wizard right there topher scott

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that would be cool that would be cool to take to the yucatan so you can show them at the yucatan

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oh no yeah you're right they'll totally think that's a they'll totally think that's a bomb

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oh man people i tell you that's really cool oh man um we're doing double cameras look at that

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oh wow this is a new hey new trick hey we're figuring this stuff out whoever said uh old dogs

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um couldn't do them it's been a week boys it's been a week we got a lot to talk about but keon

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how was your week oh it was good i didn't really exactly realize we were recording yet um

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it's yeah it was good week i don't think anything happened

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at all really it's almost like i went to sleep after the recording last week and then i woke up

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just right now in this chair it's almost like that that's how it feels how about you guys what

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What did you guys do this week?

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Oh, the week isn't over yet.

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That's true.

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So, yeah, maybe I haven't lost a complete week yet.

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Yeah, for real, dude.

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For real.

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You have two jobs and several side hustles, plural?

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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I guess I can't call them hustles unless you get paid.

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Okay.

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Aspirational hustle.

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side hustle okay pancakes monies cool that is like a lot doing two things is hard how do you

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context switch how do you maintain it okay you let him hold the context

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I've slowly become a middle manager.

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I've made a desktop that you create.

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Cool.

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More than one agent at a time going type of thing?

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Yeah.

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And just going and going and going?

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Or is it more like you're dispatching?

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I have multiple projects open.

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Yeah.

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And then I have Claude running in each of those projects.

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Yeah.

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and so now all i have to do is just like check in every now and then

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and manage claude and all of his friends okay so claude will himself create like a hierarchy of

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other clauds i wish once we then i'll be out of a job and all the clods can just take well there

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still needs to be the ceo right of the the tree of claude yeah so he needs to be the chief yeah

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But I like where I'm at.

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Claude is doing all the work that I don't want to do.

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And it's getting really, really good at it.

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And I've learned how to make Claude better.

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Yeah.

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And I've learned how to sort of mold Claude's malleable brain on a per project basis.

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Yeah.

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With lots of read me's and documentation and pulling in specifications.

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but I found like a method where I can have Claude in my project and generally works like a

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like a software engineer and just knows how to do everything knows the way of the land

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and I really just have to give him tasks and then check in yeah every now and then to see how he's

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doing and then so I just do that but now I can juggle multiple projects because I just kind of

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like hot swap from one product for the next.

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You're only dealing at a high level rather than having to get into details and

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back out and details and back.

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Yeah.

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That's cool.

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Yeah.

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That's super awesome.

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So it's addicting too.

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It's a lot of fun.

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I imagine so.

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I think it's how programming is before you realize you could program more

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effectively with AI.

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It was like,

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you already felt sort of powerful.

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Yeah.

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You're like automating things,

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but now you're like extra,

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you're automating automations.

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It's given me the power back.

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take the power back yeah because it used to be it's like oh you get into programming oh i have

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all this power then you get into web development and it's like oh this sucks yeah everything is

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mixed with crap what is this uh react component hook error that i have to deal with and uh so like

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there's a lot of stuff that can slow you down in development especially in web development there's

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just so many frameworks just so much domain knowledge it's changing all the time yeah and

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it sucks a lot of the fun out of programming um but claw just does all the way yeah that's cool

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and just gives me the higher level issues yeah and then i can just work from a higher level and

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have claw deal with all the stuff that i don't like to deal with man it's crazy it sounds it

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sounds pretty great i haven't had that much success with them yet but i haven't tried

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i haven't spent enough time to be like okay this is what i'm gonna do i have no other option but

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to code through this thing and then i you're like hardcore you're doing just all jobs yeah i'm still

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no types i'm still doing it that way i think pretty soon i'm gonna do i'm gonna try to do

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more of this stuff and see what it's like for me if you've never seen this crazy show before

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it's called second news live we cover the top five stories here on bitcoin every week

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and uh yeah check out the youtube page unsubscribe or down on ring the bell

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um yeah definitely don't hit the bell we need to be able to be free before the overlords take over

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how do we do did we get some good unsubscriptions last week no no one unsubscribed we gained one i

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anything oh man but check it out uh the other thing is uh we're gonna jump into the top five

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stories right now the number five top story is toxic lightning maximalist is this actually a

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thing looking for a definition this is from yours truly october 1st lightning territory 24 comments

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944 sets key on who's this guy that posted this and what the hell is he talking about well i don't

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know who it is exactly but it goes by the name car it must be it might be a motor vehicle of some

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kind um and uh i guess he read someone's ex-bio named chris guida and he was surprised to see it

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said toxic lightning maximalists in his bio and he took it very seriously and then asked uh if

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there's if there's such a thing and and if people could define it and then he later was on a podcast

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and he ate a pickle for everyone to hear.

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That makes sense.

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Yeah, so what did everybody say?

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Everyone, I don't know what everyone said.

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It's your post.

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You just explained it.

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This is how the show goes.

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Yeah, but I explained, I don't, I mean,

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so I personally don't think there's such a thing.

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I personally don't think this is a thing.

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I think it was probably tongue-in-cheek in his bio.

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Oh, interesting.

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i don't let's um let's go to it here because um let's see chris guida no it says right there

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tofer so it does say i know it says it music philosophy fitness bitcoin toxic lightning

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maximus it's something i would i would add to my bio and be like he like i don't i don't maybe

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chris guida really means sees himself as a toxic lightning maximalist but uh he's the only one

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using that term and i think it's like a riff it's like a self-insult it's like a sort like it like

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we use uh bitcoin maximalists what do you think i need a better answer than the one keon's giving me

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oh well so i was reading justin shocknitz um comment and he's also my friend justin i like

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just yeah he says it's not enough to be a lightning maximalist you must be toxic to fake l2 scams

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which i think that is the definition of like a toxic bitcoin maximalist like you

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you vehemently reject all other forms of cryptocurrency bitcoin is the only one

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uh everything else is an attack on bitcoin so i'm guessing that if you were to take that over

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to lightning it would be the same thing like see so this is where i get lost in the sauce and

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and i'm really dumb so explain this to me so bitcoin on chain makes sense because it's bitcoin

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you know and then they have all these shit coins right yeah so that makes sense why you

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there are different domains yeah that would be different chains lightning it's different and

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this is where i come from it's like it's lightning done privately like private channels and then

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there's custodial lightning right that we know of yeah and then there's non-custodial lightning

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right yeah so that's what i see i just see two versions of lightning custodial and non-custodial

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so when when when i see this post is a toxic lightning maximalist non-custodial only is that

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what is that what that basically comes question i don't know basically i would i would think

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i don't know because if you're a toxic bitcoin maximus does that also imply self-custody

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i think so i don't know if anyone i'm just trying to get to them i'm just trying to get to like i

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want to get to the bottom of this that's what i'm trying to get to is like what makes you a toxic

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lightning maximus is it because you're a non-custodial lightning yeah that's why i don't

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think it's a real that's why i don't think it's a real term i think he was i think he just believes

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strongly in lightning and it's like this maximus term is like a nice it's like a nice tongue-in-cheek

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cheek, self-owned, self-

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So this gets me to thinking

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that, okay, so if we don't know

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what the terms are, we don't know what the definitions

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are, then this is more business

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interest and more business aligned

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than anything else. Because Justin,

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I love Justin, but he has his own company.

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So he has his own business

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interests, right?

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Same thing with Carr and Plob Lab.

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Same thing with Keon and Snacker News.

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And all these people that are talking the loudest

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about these have their own business

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interests.

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i don't know like i mean who who else does have to do with business interest though i still don't

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get so the time so so for i'm just like technologies so i'm just telling you for me car personally

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it's in my business interest to have everybody have all sorts of options out there non-custodially

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and custodially right it's in my business interest for that i don't know what's in your business

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interest you would have to tell me but i would imagine for justin it's his business interest to

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have everybody use shock wallet right well he's saying he's saying that uh you have to reject

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all l2s on bitcoin yeah but that doesn't mean shock wallet though because it's lightning

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well i don't know i would imagine i would imagine everything that he's saying there

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shock wallet doesn't fall into that oh well i don't know you might have to just uh

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you might have to corner him in a dark alley.

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I talk to him all the time.

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He's in our Slack.

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So I would just ask him,

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but I'm sure that that's what I'm saying.

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Like,

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unless you have an actual definition,

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then how can we know what is a toxic lightning maximum?

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Or an actual not toxic,

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you know?

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Yeah.

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We need like,

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we need an Oxford.

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I think it's actually real.

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I don't think it's actually real.

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I think it has more to do with business interests.

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I don't,

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but I don't think it's real.

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I don't think it has anything to do with,

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business interest though i think it's just something you say i think it's like i really

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believe in lightning i think lightning is like the best l2 that exists and you know and i'm a toxic

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bitcoin maximalist i believe a lot in lightning i'll combine them and that's what i'll put in my

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bio that's what i think and i think just like if there is such a thing as toxic lightning maximalist

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i think justin's interpretation of it is right where it's like there is no other l2 there is no

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other bitcoin layer that will work only lightning works i think that is like if this were if chris

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were serious about this which i don't think he is that's what that's his that would be his belief

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he would be against arc he would be against other l2s why would you be against arc other than

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why but like that's what i'm trying to get to the understanding because it's not it's not

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non-custodial is that why no it's because you're toxic and you just believe everything else is

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going to be a scam because lightning is the only why is it because arc built on top of the lightning

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network uh no it's not oh okay that's it's not no it's like it's like another l2 oh

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yeah oh okay now i get it he doesn't i didn't realize shock that didn't like symmetry

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i guess what's symmetry so ln symmetry is where you don't need to maintain all the past lightning

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so these aren't even on the lightning network arc is not on the lightning network um arc

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arc is arc is an l2 and you could put lightning on top of arc and make it and then there i thought

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it was on the lighting and then no they're competing oh wow dude they're not explaining

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that to the plebs i thought it was on the lightning network they talk about lightning a

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lot because they call it an l2 i could have sworn i talked to tiro and he told me it was on the

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lightning network i think it i think i think in some case i think they're considering the case

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where you might want to anchor a channel in ARK

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rather than on the base chain.

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Oh, so in that case, okay, so I apologize, Justin.

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I thought ARK was on the Lightning network.

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No.

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Oh, wow.

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So what's Symmetry then?

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LN Symmetry is just a protocol upgrade to Lightning

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that would require new opcodes in Bitcoin.

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And then Covenants, that's just a bit proposal, right?

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Covenants is one of the opcodes.

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Yeah, but it might give you different kinds of Lightning channels again.

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you might get multi-party

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so this is not even on the lightning network

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none of this is on the lightning network

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so basically

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being a toxic lightning maximalist

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is basically like anything goes

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as long as it's on the lightning network

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is what I'm now finally understanding

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I think so

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oh wow

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wow

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I learned something today

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has nothing to do with business

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interest

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car's gonna shut up now

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see I don't mind

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I highly doubt

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you'll shut up

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I don't mind saying car

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did not know

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what he didn't know

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but hey this is where you learn

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sometimes it's better to stay in your lane

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right Vick

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oh man

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dude that's crazy

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that is crazy

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I wonder how many other people

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are confused by this

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maybe it's just me and that's because i feel like i see this shit every day and i work with you guys

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and i'm still didn't i still didn't i thought arc was on the lightning network i mean you have to

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spend time to understand like you have to like dedicate it's not just you're probably not going

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to get a the full view of something by the conversations that you have in the lab because

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we're all like talking about things at a conceptual level you gotta you would have to kind of go in

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at least read kind of one blog for each of these this whole time i thought arc was on the lightning

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network yeah wild anyways well we learned some stuff today guys or at least i did the next top

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story is all the other stuff happening what's bitcoin this is from scoresby bitcoin territory

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September 30th, nine comments, 900 for sats.

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Keon, what's this?

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Yeah, well, if you were just casually looking at Bitcoin,

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you would think that the only thing going on

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is an op return, like meltdown.

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But it turns out there's still a lot of real things

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happening in Bitcoin.

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And I guess Goresby went and looked at the Boston BitDevs.

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They usually publish, all the BitDevs usually publish

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ahead of time all the topics they're going to cover.

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And noticed all of these bit proposals that were present in what they were planning to present at the Boston BitDevs.

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And, yeah, shared them.

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Why would he publish the Austin BitDevs?

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The Boston BitDevs?

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Austin.

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Oh.

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I think because we had already had the Austin BitDevs about a week before.

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And then Boston BitDevs was happening the day that he posted this.

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So he was curious if they were adding, like, newer stuff.

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maybe they have a different focus

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like each bit devs has

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the hosts of the bit devs

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they will pick topics

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that are a little more

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up their alley

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and so it seems like

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the Boston bit devs is a little more

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into

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the latest and greatest

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Bitcoin core proposals

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amazing

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yeah

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but there's a lot apparently there's a lot going on i didn't realize utrex though was moving

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when moves so uh far that was something i had so if i have a bit number do you see anything here

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that you like uh well i love utrex so uh i'm absolutely for opt tweak ad and adding elliptic

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curve operations to bitcoin scripts uh which also ties into great script restoration those

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are all kind of related um i don't know about the rest booby trapped wallets i i haven't read up

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about that one that's interesting um block template sharing uh would be nice uh it would

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help optimize uh things uh with uh relaying transactions in the mempool and mempool validation

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and relay policy via user defined scripts i guess that's just improving people's ability

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to add filters for their mempool.

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Yeah, I've heard people talk about that.

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What does that mean for the plebs at home?

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Oh, so like if you're running a node,

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Bitcoin node,

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and you have a mempool,

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your local mempool,

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and you're broadcasting transactions,

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you're sharing transactions with peers,

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and a lot of people,

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they like the independence that you have

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with running your own node,

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and they want to be able to have more control

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over what transactions are flowing through their node.

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And so Bitcoin Core only gives you

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like a handful of small knobs and levers

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to be able to control what transactions

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are going through your node.

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And it's not enough to like capture inscriptions

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and all this other stuff.

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So it's really hard to filter this stuff.

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And nobody's really worked on...

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I mean, people are working on this problem,

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but I haven't really seen anything come to fruition yet,

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but it would be nice to have more options

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for filtering things because it's your node.

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It's your resources.

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It's your internet connection.

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So if you don't want to relay certain transactions,

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then you should have the ability to exercise that right.

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Unfortunately, it's not in the software,

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so people need to build better software tools

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so you can do that um and so one of the things would be like yeah like having these scripts

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uh where you can sort of more you can better express the stuff that you want to filter out

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like a plug-in yeah so you can create cars plug-in and car rejects any transactions that have

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jpegs of car wearing a cowboy oh yeah how did you see those

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i have i have root access to all to all your advices man those were private

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those private photos in my private folder although this bib specifically that's talking about it uh

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wants nodes load a directory of javascript scripts that define acceptance rules yeah i don't know

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about that yeah i don't know about javascript maybe like wasm that would be nice but see this

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This is where they do these jokes in the lab, guys,

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stackers at home, and I don't get it.

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So I just look like I get it.

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Yeah, plug-in languages, programming languages,

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programming language jokes.

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Ooh, we got some TypeScript types in this BIP.

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Ever thought I'd see the day?

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Yeah, in a BIP.

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I wonder if that's a first.

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It's a draft.

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It doesn't have a number yet, right?

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Yeah, that's a draft.

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Pretty cool stuff, guys.

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This is amazing.

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Yeah, bros.

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I love it.

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The next, oh, here we go.

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The next top story of the week.

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The number three.

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The three.

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The three.

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That's the three coming at you.

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Knotts versus Kour.

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Dun, dun, dun.

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Or something more.

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Nerd to Ninja.

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14 comments.

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5,420 sats.

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Coincidence?

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I think not.

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keon what's this i'm still recovering from both your pickle chewing and your hey it's a pacifico

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kind of day man i'm going to the yukaten next week okay starting early um yeah so like so

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nerd to ninja i think is disappointed with the discourse happening around the knots versus

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opportune it sounds like he's in favor of allowing people to specify any relay policy

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they kind of want. They like the idea of a node user getting to choose what they're relaying just

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because Bitcoin as a kind of movement is about user control, user choice, that kind of stuff.

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And I think that is true. So they're in favor of it that way, but even so, they just don't like how

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the debate is unfolding and what they prefer, what they wish we were debating is the way

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we are working on the, um, like the primary implementation, like the, the kind of process

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by which we are working with the reference implementation is what he calls it here

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and what I should have called it. But the, he wants us to be discussing that, like, like how,

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how should we be deciding as a, as a,

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at this decentralized thing that has no one in charge of it,

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what is going in and out of the reference implementation and are there things

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that we can do to improve that rather than creating, you know,

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an alternative reference implementation,

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which is likely vulnerable to all the same incentives and problems.

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If, if we assume that the, the current situation has problems.

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So that's mostly what he's saying.

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He's like, he wants,

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he thinks we should be having a more thoughtful,

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discussion about things that perhaps really matter because you know maybe if there if there

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is a problem it's maybe going on with bitcoin core development right now it's like deeper than

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op return um and it's maybe maybe has more to do with like social dynamics that we can change

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yeah topher you got any thoughts so there's a poll oh where is it at the bottom okay

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so sell my bitcoin knots fork so this is if like we just literally forked the protocol

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uh and so there was two versions of bitcoin so people would sell their bitcoin knots fork

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that was like 54 percent would sell their knots fork uh 8.3 percent would sell their core bitcoin

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core fork that those are some hardcore yeah those are some nazis right there um so it's interesting

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because like is so 54 percent sells their bitcoin knots fork then the 10 that's not sure will become

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very sure very shortly because the market's going to swing uh and then the keep both 27

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probably won't keep both for long they'll probably go with the bitcoin sell my bitcoin knots fork so

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i think it's an interesting poll because uh you have a clear winner here um so that's what would

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happen it's good to know these things it's good to know like how people would vote in a fork you

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Because that's where your vote actually matters.

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It's probably the most joy I've had with Bitcoin

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is selling my Bitcoin cash tokens for free Bitcoin.

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That was fantastic.

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The dividend.

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I remember that day.

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That was a lovely day.

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Yeah.

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And then you go in other wallets,

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and then you realize,

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oh, I have more Bitcoin cash tokens

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that have just been hiding.

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And you just gather them up,

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and then you sell them.

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And I think it's really cool.

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I think that if you have enough exchanges that have both,

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and if there is a fork,

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then, you know, people vote,

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they literally vote with their wallets on which fork that they choose.

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And so I think that's kind of cool.

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But yeah, so Stacker News,

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so I guess the Stacker News community,

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the majority, it seems like the majority would go with a,

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if there was a fork, they would tell the Nazis to F off.

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I think Topher's talking about another post that has a...

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Oh, wait, which one are we on?

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Which fork you will sell?

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Or something else.

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No.

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Slightly different post.

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It's a different post, but about the same kind of thing,

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pitting them against each other.

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But Nerd to Ninja is more talking about the debate that's happening

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and the quality of the debate and why it not talking about the right things but in that other post is kind of kind of similar in that it like well beyond this debate

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let's talk about what matters,

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which is what happens during a fork.

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What side are you on?

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And so they're related in that way.

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Yeah.

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I'm sorry.

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I don't see the other post.

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It might've fallen out of top because it was posted on last Friday.

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So it might've fallen out of the week's top.

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I think it's fascinating just how far we've gotten.

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Like one of the things that he brings up here is just how far the conversation has gotten to the extreme end.

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And it's just human nature, right?

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And decentralized communities just in general.

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And you look through history and it's always been this way.

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It's hard managing people just in general, especially in communities that are decentralized and much less Bitcoiners.

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and then you throw money in the middle of it and then you have greed and stuff and power and

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all sorts of things and that's a thing so i'm not surprised it's gone this way

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to be honest this is perth par for the courses they say in the golf

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the golf the golf stuff are you a golfer i used to be in high school really yeah and um

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i don't know i think the more conversations we have like lightning plus plus is going on right

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now so i'm sure there's great conversations around there um startup startup day is happening

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next friday so we'll have some good conversations down there and then tapconf is the week after

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still be even more great conversations there i think and then there's even more conferences

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happening later this year i think there's a good one in el salvador that's happening so i think

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these conversations will just keep happening and there's more conversations happening at the

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beginning of the year and i think there will be some consensus happening at some point and i think

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we'll we'll all figure it out so i think i think everything will just play out the way it's supposed

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to i think everything will be fine but i'm always i'm always pretty optimistic i found the post

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you found it which one is it knots versus core or something more yeah yeah that one yeah yeah

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so sorry i was looking at the wrong post oh it seemed like the same you're talking about the

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same thing yeah um so yeah i just wanted to bring up one thing you said that i thought was

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really good um you said uh there's a fundamental asymmetry uh in the developer's ability to

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understand and make changes to bitcoin um but that is meant to be a representation so like the

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bitcoin code base and the software is meant to be a representation of the emergent social contract

479
00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:26,590
that we're building together and i i agree with that actually because you know as developer you're

480
00:30:26,590 --> 00:30:32,490
not building tools for yourself you're building tools for others that are not necessarily

481
00:30:32,490 --> 00:30:38,870
developers so like bitcoin is meant to be a tool for everyone and so if there is people are using

482
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:45,510
it and yeah there's this the social construct that emerges because it is a payment network

483
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:52,610
society does sort of structure itself around money and so of course there's going to be like

484
00:30:52,610 --> 00:30:58,210
the social layer around bitcoin and yeah y'all have a huge responsibility dude i don't think

485
00:30:58,210 --> 00:31:02,150
y'all realize i mean i think y'all do realize especially in the lab but y'all have a huge

486
00:31:02,150 --> 00:31:09,370
responsibility um i wouldn't i don't envy that position uh oh there's i mean i sleep well at

487
00:31:09,370 --> 00:31:13,650
night i'm not you know what i mean like i think i think jimmy i think jimmy was bringing that up

488
00:31:13,650 --> 00:31:19,010
earlier this month or last month at bitcoin builders club like it's no longer like a hundred

489
00:31:19,010 --> 00:31:26,410
billion dollar market cap it's trillion trillions yeah the t so it's uh it's a huge responsibility

490
00:31:26,410 --> 00:31:30,470
and you know bow out if you can't take that responsibility anymore that's what i would say

491
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:36,930
is like it's uh it's only it's going to lead to more pressure and uh responsibility and uh more

492
00:31:36,930 --> 00:31:42,630
chirping yeah i feel that way running plub lab all the time and i think you shouldn't be in that

493
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:46,790
position if you can't take that responsibility i think sam altman talked about it on the tucker

494
00:31:46,790 --> 00:31:51,670
carlson podcast about how he feels a responsibility but he says it comes with the job i think that's

495
00:31:51,670 --> 00:31:59,210
exactly true bow out if you can't take it out if you can't take it yeah but it doesn't have to be

496
00:31:59,210 --> 00:32:07,370
so nasty though part of the job yeah politics is a is an ugly job yeah i don't want bitcoin to

497
00:32:07,370 --> 00:32:12,110
become political but i guess it's too late i mean thanks to david bailey that's the emergent social

498
00:32:12,110 --> 00:32:19,950
part it's that's like that is just like a another word for political yeah i'm trying to think of

499
00:32:19,950 --> 00:32:25,410
like what is like another example besides bitcoin where politics and technology are so intertwined

500
00:32:25,410 --> 00:32:29,870
i guess ai is starting to get that way yeah but yeah we're gonna talk about it later in the show

501
00:32:29,870 --> 00:32:35,370
but it's uh it's part of the job now and uh it's only gonna get worse

502
00:32:35,370 --> 00:32:39,130
at least that's how i see it but i could be wrong

503
00:32:39,130 --> 00:32:47,810
trying to stay in my lane vake if you're watching how's he doing vake he'll tell me at tap conf when

504
00:32:47,810 --> 00:32:58,790
i see him okay you know he's going he always goes oh yeah doxed dox double doxed did you see his post

505
00:32:58,790 --> 00:32:59,250
last week?

506
00:33:00,710 --> 00:33:02,810
I did, yeah. I felt like that was talking

507
00:33:02,810 --> 00:33:03,410
to us, do you think?

508
00:33:04,430 --> 00:33:05,670
Maybe just you?

509
00:33:07,230 --> 00:33:07,550
Probably.

510
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:09,230
I didn't read it, though.

511
00:33:09,630 --> 00:33:11,590
I don't even get on the freeway, bro.

512
00:33:11,970 --> 00:33:13,130
I want him to read it to me.

513
00:33:15,510 --> 00:33:16,330
I'm waiting for that.

514
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:18,210
Maybe we can read over a steak dinner

515
00:33:18,210 --> 00:33:20,090
at Roadhouse.

516
00:33:20,090 --> 00:33:20,890
You got them for you, do you?

517
00:33:21,450 --> 00:33:22,250
Texas Roadhouse.

518
00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:24,930
$25 steaks.

519
00:33:25,870 --> 00:33:26,970
I think they do, don't they?

520
00:33:26,970 --> 00:33:30,310
what $25 steaks yeah Texas Roadhouse

521
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:33,730
club stick yeah yeah you pick it out of

522
00:33:33,730 --> 00:33:37,730
the case if you want the next top story

523
00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:41,310
is OPSEC Africa and paranoia whoa this

524
00:33:41,310 --> 00:33:45,110
is from Jason B 14 comments 3883 stats

525
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:46,630
this is a September 29th Bitcoin

526
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:49,250
territory to post Bitcoin territory post

527
00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:53,270
key on kind of paranoia is going on in

528
00:33:53,270 --> 00:33:56,090
Africa, the motherland.

529
00:33:56,350 --> 00:33:58,750
So Jason B, I think he posted like a week or two ago.

530
00:33:59,250 --> 00:34:02,730
And a lot of us who were subscribed to him on Stacker News

531
00:34:02,730 --> 00:34:06,330
noticed that it wasn't Jason B and it was another pseudonym.

532
00:34:06,590 --> 00:34:07,030
Whoa.

533
00:34:07,270 --> 00:34:07,590
But it was.

534
00:34:07,710 --> 00:34:08,290
He got hacked?

535
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:12,570
But no, he just changed his pseudonym, I think for OPSEC reasons.

536
00:34:13,350 --> 00:34:16,370
And he's basically writing, he's kind of writing again

537
00:34:16,370 --> 00:34:18,750
that he's changed it back to Jason B.

538
00:34:19,390 --> 00:34:22,010
And the reason was that he was concerned about his OPSEC

539
00:34:22,010 --> 00:34:28,890
that he had started freaking out about wrench attacks and was concerned i think about his this

540
00:34:28,890 --> 00:34:33,770
nem being associated with his real identity i don't know what his real identity is though um

541
00:34:35,530 --> 00:34:43,850
i guess he's and he's also been in south africa which is you know at least relatively unstable

542
00:34:43,850 --> 00:34:50,490
compared to the united states at least in certain parts um he's been volunteering at bitcoin akasi

543
00:34:50,490 --> 00:34:56,250
there which is like one of the biggest bitcoin hubs internationally a lot of stuff going on

544
00:34:56,250 --> 00:35:02,890
there a lot of the joe nakamoto videos there and any of the other like bitcoin vlogger travelers

545
00:35:02,890 --> 00:35:09,610
they usually end up end up in bitcoin akasi um so him and his family are staying there he's there

546
00:35:09,610 --> 00:35:16,570
with his wife and three kids uh and then yeah so he he got he got kind of parent it sounds like he

547
00:35:16,570 --> 00:35:22,710
He got kind of paranoid about it, maybe had something happen.

548
00:35:22,890 --> 00:35:25,050
He doesn't really get into the details there.

549
00:35:25,050 --> 00:35:33,830
But he was beginning to investigate ways to improve his OPSEC before realizing that he just doesn't have much Bitcoin.

550
00:35:33,830 --> 00:35:41,810
and getting his OPSEC to the level that he perhaps would bring it to

551
00:35:41,810 --> 00:35:47,270
would cost him so much Bitcoin that he would be left with very little.

552
00:35:49,650 --> 00:35:51,650
And that's kind of what this post is about.

553
00:35:53,890 --> 00:35:54,370
Yeah.

554
00:35:54,510 --> 00:35:55,290
What do you think about it?

555
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:58,270
Do you ever fear for your life about this kind of stuff, Keon?

556
00:35:59,230 --> 00:35:59,670
No.

557
00:36:00,490 --> 00:36:03,590
I don't have much Bitcoin.

558
00:36:03,830 --> 00:36:09,670
and i also have it in a way that i guess they would just kill me have you ever i don't have

559
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:16,950
it in a way that i can recover have you ever had a somebody uh follow you and stuff like that no

560
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:26,470
i don't think i'm followable i think most people realize i'm poor yeah and then uh also that i'm

561
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:32,390
unimportant and you're really important and significant so that's the way to live right

562
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:38,430
there yeah i got that's what i would assume um i think people think i'm important but i'm really

563
00:36:38,430 --> 00:36:45,230
not i'm like the least important guy in this building um tophar what about you tophar

564
00:36:45,230 --> 00:36:53,250
um i'm also porn unimportant i believe that attention to me that's the way i feel about it

565
00:36:53,250 --> 00:36:58,790
yeah but as far as like opsec i don't really think about it too much i'm already doxed like

566
00:36:58,790 --> 00:37:00,590
10 different ways from Sunday.

567
00:37:01,650 --> 00:37:03,730
Would you change that if you could?

568
00:37:03,790 --> 00:37:05,690
If you could go back to when you started in Bitcoin,

569
00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:07,110
would you start under a pseudonym?

570
00:37:07,410 --> 00:37:09,670
Would you not reveal your face?

571
00:37:10,370 --> 00:37:11,130
That kind of stuff?

572
00:37:16,330 --> 00:37:18,990
Probably not because I just don't like living like that.

573
00:37:20,190 --> 00:37:21,990
You have to be...

574
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:24,230
It has to be the way that you want to live.

575
00:37:24,430 --> 00:37:26,950
I don't think you can keep up the OPSEC

576
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:34,050
unless it's you want to adapt it as a lifestyle but if you don't want to adapt it as a lifestyle

577
00:37:34,050 --> 00:37:38,770
then you're not going to do it and it only takes you screwing up once or twice and then you're

578
00:37:38,770 --> 00:37:42,650
done but i think it's like sort of the myth of perfect like it needs to be perfect i think you

579
00:37:42,650 --> 00:37:49,130
can probably get like with 20 of the effort just operate under a pseudonym whenever you're out on

580
00:37:49,130 --> 00:37:55,570
camera you have a mask on that's probably like you probably get 80 of the result like you're

581
00:37:55,570 --> 00:38:01,930
probably gonna you'll probably be unknown to most people that yeah i think it would be like similar

582
00:38:01,930 --> 00:38:10,090
to i mean if you're walking around brazil with gucci bags and prada glasses like you're gonna

583
00:38:10,090 --> 00:38:16,050
get targeted so it's just like yeah simple stuff don't overtly advertise that you're a walking

584
00:38:16,050 --> 00:38:22,610
pinata of money and then uh i think that i think it's just the same it's just the the same

585
00:38:22,610 --> 00:38:28,530
the problems that people have been dealing with with wealth no matter how you hold it it's the

586
00:38:28,530 --> 00:38:33,830
same applies to bitcoin i actually think there's just personally and maybe this is wrong to say but

587
00:38:33,830 --> 00:38:40,050
i think there's just way easier people to rob personally like i think like when you look at

588
00:38:40,050 --> 00:38:44,290
the celebrities that are out there and the influencers on youtube like showcasing all

589
00:38:44,290 --> 00:38:49,650
their wealth and stuff like those are way easier people to rob than like bitcoiners personally

590
00:38:49,650 --> 00:38:56,450
because they're way dumber they have terrible obsec and they just flaunt everything on them

591
00:38:56,450 --> 00:39:01,770
like you know what i mean and like and then like and they're terrible people too like

592
00:39:01,770 --> 00:39:08,150
i don't mean that like in like a bad way they're just not good people you know and like at least

593
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:14,930
with bitcoiners we're like super friendly very moral um you know we're very giving people you

594
00:39:14,930 --> 00:39:20,390
You know, we give our time, our money to people, education, all that kind of stuff.

595
00:39:20,610 --> 00:39:27,590
And so it's like you like there's very few Bitcoiners that I've met in real life outside of business that are like terrible people.

596
00:39:27,690 --> 00:39:28,250
Very few.

597
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:29,550
I think there's maybe like one or two.

598
00:39:31,010 --> 00:39:32,930
And most people know who those people are.

599
00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:37,510
But like like outside of those two or three, whatever, like most of them are great.

600
00:39:38,070 --> 00:39:41,370
So I think there's just that's what I that's why I'm not.

601
00:39:41,370 --> 00:39:46,530
um i think i think when i think of opsec i think of it more from like the government

602
00:39:46,530 --> 00:39:52,250
coming after us at some point yeah who are you trying to hide from yeah kind of depends yeah

603
00:39:52,250 --> 00:39:57,950
that's how i think about it more um but i i think i think just in general the

604
00:39:57,950 --> 00:40:07,990
that kind of fear propaganda that's infiltrated our space is more because of you know it's it's

605
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:15,670
just permeated at this point just through decades of uh or not decades i guess years of uh

606
00:40:16,670 --> 00:40:23,230
you know fear-mongering i guess amongst our ecosystem yeah i'm interested in because think

607
00:40:23,230 --> 00:40:27,650
about how many think about how many times you've seen max kaiser out in public and all these people

608
00:40:27,650 --> 00:40:35,350
that are far more richer and wealthier and people than us right like i imagine they have security

609
00:40:35,350 --> 00:40:39,950
details though yeah but like how close have you been to max kaiser i've been like this close to

610
00:40:39,950 --> 00:40:44,730
max kaiser before like you know you know what i'm saying like those those type of people i would

611
00:40:44,730 --> 00:40:52,170
imagine have way um way more bitcoin or influential than us do you know i'm saying that's why i'm not

612
00:40:52,170 --> 00:40:59,850
too worried about it it's like well marita will be the test we'll see if you get pinched

613
00:40:59,850 --> 00:41:07,310
when we're walking down the street i mean i'm like really nice to people and i like you know

614
00:41:07,310 --> 00:41:13,610
i feel like i feel like the i feel like there's just way more people like on youtube that are

615
00:41:13,610 --> 00:41:19,130
like sharing you know their houses and their million dollar yeah you know what i mean like

616
00:41:19,130 --> 00:41:24,490
yeah i sleep on the floor and like go to church every week and like you know

617
00:41:24,490 --> 00:41:31,150
live in a very cheap apartment like you know i don't have anything i don't have anything to rock

618
00:41:31,150 --> 00:41:37,310
like if you're traveling in some group sees it as an opportunity to nab you

619
00:41:37,310 --> 00:41:44,450
while you're traveling but yeah i think it's a lot of it's overblown honestly yeah um i don't know

620
00:41:44,450 --> 00:41:47,950
what do you think you know i don't think it's overblown too much i mean i think i think it's

621
00:41:47,950 --> 00:41:52,670
good to be paranoid in this case i think if you're in a if you're in a state where you can be armed

622
00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:55,950
you should be armed in your defense.

623
00:41:56,090 --> 00:41:59,110
I think you also, if you are a public figure,

624
00:41:59,230 --> 00:42:02,010
you probably do not want to use a single SIG.

625
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:11,650
And yeah, and I think for the record,

626
00:42:11,850 --> 00:42:14,230
you should say that you have no Bitcoin and I have no Bitcoin.

627
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:15,210
I don't have any Bitcoin.

628
00:42:16,170 --> 00:42:16,850
So there you go.

629
00:42:16,850 --> 00:42:22,690
that's what that's like i just don't i don't think you want to paint a target

630
00:42:22,690 --> 00:42:30,550
and then you also want to be on some level defensible um and the situation where something

631
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:37,210
can happen yeah yeah good point don't come for for me or tofer

632
00:42:37,210 --> 00:42:46,110
just kidding but kind of not anyways we're gonna go into the number one

633
00:42:46,110 --> 00:42:53,610
top story of the week. Can you believe it? Free industrial Bitcoin miners. Keyon, what's this?

634
00:42:55,530 --> 00:43:01,590
Yeah, so this is also from Jason B. I think the last post was his lead up to this post,

635
00:43:01,590 --> 00:43:08,190
but he's been volunteering, I think, remotely for Bitcoin Icazi. It's a nonprofit down in South

636
00:43:08,190 --> 00:43:15,590
Africa that is educating, I guess, students, I think, of various ages.

637
00:43:16,010 --> 00:43:21,610
But he himself is tutoring a teenager about economics, teaching him Austrian economics.

638
00:43:23,410 --> 00:43:26,390
And I guess they've been, you know, really getting serious.

639
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:28,510
And they run a node and a VTC pay server.

640
00:43:29,830 --> 00:43:34,250
And then he writes about, like, some of the experiences of the student while they were

641
00:43:34,250 --> 00:43:38,130
there, I guess, their local power grid operator.

642
00:43:38,190 --> 00:43:44,630
Like many states in the United States, they have a kind of single-state monopoly thing.

643
00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:53,190
And I guess they have had some issues and are corrupt and failing, so there's been a lot of blackouts rolling through South Africa.

644
00:43:54,330 --> 00:44:00,190
And I guess in response to this, there's been a huge surge in solar panel installation there.

645
00:44:00,190 --> 00:44:14,830
I think he said that he was talking to a solar installer, and they said that there was eight megawatts of solar that had been installed in the last year.

646
00:44:15,770 --> 00:44:18,730
And their entire grid is 35 megawatts.

647
00:44:19,130 --> 00:44:19,430
Damn.

648
00:44:19,610 --> 00:44:26,210
So that's a pretty serious share of people getting solar to deal with these blackouts.

649
00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:31,190
and Jason B saw this as an opportunity

650
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:35,410
perhaps to help subsidize further solar build-outs

651
00:44:35,410 --> 00:44:37,430
using Bitcoin mining

652
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:41,850
and so it puts out a call for anyone

653
00:44:41,850 --> 00:44:44,150
who maybe has like a last generation

654
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:47,850
like a bunch of pallets of last generation miners

655
00:44:47,850 --> 00:44:50,850
or something that could be donated to South Africa

656
00:44:50,850 --> 00:44:54,430
so they could start getting more people installing solar there

657
00:44:54,430 --> 00:44:55,250
and Bitcoin mining

658
00:44:55,250 --> 00:45:02,330
Maybe we could orange pill people by helping them offset their solar installation costs, I think is the thinking.

659
00:45:04,130 --> 00:45:10,550
Looking for things that are on the order of a kilowatt, miners that are on the order of a kilowatt.

660
00:45:10,690 --> 00:45:19,130
That would be a pretty early generation miner, but you could probably underclock even the latest generation to only use a few kilowatts, I would guess.

661
00:45:19,130 --> 00:45:27,430
um yeah and jason b has written a lot about his own home mining uh pursuits i think he was he was

662
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:31,930
doing it normally and then he decided he wanted to heat his home see how he could heat his home

663
00:45:31,930 --> 00:45:38,470
he's done done a few like guides or i guess maybe it's kind of cool yeah demonstrations of his own

664
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:44,210
work that he's done in that regard but now that he's in south africa so he was tutoring this uh

665
00:45:44,210 --> 00:45:50,330
the teenager remotely and then he went and visited with his family and i think he's been there for a

666
00:45:50,330 --> 00:45:58,970
month now he said um living in south africa helping out the kasi community and just yeah

667
00:45:58,970 --> 00:46:05,010
uh living a bitcoin or dream dude we have all those miners in the commons just like sitting

668
00:46:05,010 --> 00:46:10,350
there dude it's crazy we do have quite there's a lot of s9 floating around austin i don't that

669
00:46:10,350 --> 00:46:17,990
might be i think they're like sitting there i think s9s are what like five kilowatts oh for

670
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:25,130
power usage yeah uh just need to do something with them maybe we just don't have any time man

671
00:46:25,130 --> 00:46:29,950
that's the biggest problem yeah they're i mean they're it's really not when i talk to the

672
00:46:29,950 --> 00:46:34,450
i'm gonna talk to the solicitors you guys would assume it's not worth hashing them i think with

673
00:46:34,450 --> 00:46:43,770
I think with a single bit X might do more hash per unit energy than an S9 is the thing.

674
00:46:44,430 --> 00:46:54,670
So you kind of want like at least last gen probably if you're going to try to recoup costs of any kind in terms of energy.

675
00:46:54,770 --> 00:46:56,610
I would guess, but I don't actually know.

676
00:46:57,310 --> 00:46:59,770
But then again, like any sats are better than no sats.

677
00:46:59,770 --> 00:47:02,950
So if you do have excess energy and you have an S9 used and you don't have

678
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:04,510
access to something else, use an S9.

679
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:07,130
Car went to go get himself another beer.

680
00:47:07,210 --> 00:47:08,190
Hopefully no more pickles.

681
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:12,530
I have that like thing where I want to like murder anyone.

682
00:47:12,530 --> 00:47:15,130
If they're like eating, eating pickles, they're eating.

683
00:47:15,250 --> 00:47:17,730
If they're eating, if they're eating like loudly, I want to,

684
00:47:17,830 --> 00:47:19,450
I get like enraged.

685
00:47:22,570 --> 00:47:26,130
No, there's like a thing where like, I don't know how bad I have it.

686
00:47:26,210 --> 00:47:28,910
It's maybe it's a spectrum thing, but like triggering you with my pickles.

687
00:47:29,770 --> 00:47:30,170
Yeah.

688
00:47:30,850 --> 00:47:32,270
Oh, yeah, I'll stop eating them.

689
00:47:33,630 --> 00:47:34,470
I don't know.

690
00:47:34,550 --> 00:47:34,850
I don't know.

691
00:47:34,890 --> 00:47:37,590
It's like there's a word for what I have, what this thing is.

692
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:40,210
I'm glad you told me because I was going to keep eating every week.

693
00:47:40,270 --> 00:47:41,770
I can't freaking stand it.

694
00:47:42,770 --> 00:47:43,730
It's, I mean, I just.

695
00:47:43,970 --> 00:47:45,690
It's weird because you're not even hearing the headphones.

696
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:49,590
No, but I can hear it with my like normal human ears.

697
00:47:49,690 --> 00:47:50,950
So I imagine it's like ASMR.

698
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:56,430
Is that why you don't go on dinner dates with people?

699
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:58,810
I don't go on dinner dates because it's usually loud.

700
00:47:59,770 --> 00:48:01,710
Is that why you don't like going to dinner with us sometimes?

701
00:48:02,310 --> 00:48:03,510
No, it has nothing to do.

702
00:48:03,830 --> 00:48:04,870
It's not that bad.

703
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:05,870
I can stand it.

704
00:48:05,870 --> 00:48:06,910
So can you eat with people?

705
00:48:08,290 --> 00:48:09,630
I can eat with people, yes.

706
00:48:09,770 --> 00:48:10,270
Oh, okay.

707
00:48:10,570 --> 00:48:11,850
I thought it was a weird thing.

708
00:48:12,070 --> 00:48:14,870
Given the choice between working and eating with people, I'll usually prefer it.

709
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:18,370
Because, like, Super had that same tick where, like, he couldn't, like, you couldn't touch.

710
00:48:18,450 --> 00:48:19,310
Remember, Topher?

711
00:48:20,430 --> 00:48:21,150
Did you ever eat with Super?

712
00:48:21,330 --> 00:48:22,410
Yeah, he couldn't touch his food.

713
00:48:22,670 --> 00:48:22,870
Yeah.

714
00:48:23,310 --> 00:48:24,590
I didn't know you couldn't touch his food.

715
00:48:24,590 --> 00:48:26,890
No, like, if you, like, touch his food.

716
00:48:26,890 --> 00:48:31,570
or like if like if the server came i don't know like not like put your hands in it no like if you

717
00:48:31,570 --> 00:48:35,650
touch the container no like if the server said okay and whose food is this and it's like oh

718
00:48:35,650 --> 00:48:40,990
supers and then and if you handed it over to like that was it you couldn't eat it yeah

719
00:48:40,990 --> 00:48:49,070
oh i didn't know that about him yeah oh yeah uh yeah for me it's mostly so i can't eat that in

720
00:48:49,070 --> 00:48:52,650
front of you anymore is what you're saying no you can eat it if that's too late i'm just gonna i'm

721
00:48:52,650 --> 00:48:57,050
not i i love you i needed i needed to come i love and respect you too much to do that too

722
00:48:57,050 --> 00:49:03,290
oh man that's her second beer um you're already on i love you man it's the truth though uh but

723
00:49:03,290 --> 00:49:07,810
that's how car is but you tell me something bars you i'm not gonna do it no the so the dinner thing

724
00:49:07,810 --> 00:49:12,270
is usually i'm like i'll save dinner for my wife it's like the one meal i eat a day and it's the

725
00:49:12,270 --> 00:49:16,950
one uh wait so she she you eat with her too and that doesn't bother you like when she's snacking

726
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:22,310
next to you on the couch oh it'll bother me yeah i'll get like a really yeah i want to put

727
00:49:22,310 --> 00:49:25,370
I want to put like a pillow over someone's face.

728
00:49:25,630 --> 00:49:26,790
Dang, that's weird.

729
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:27,910
Stacker news.

730
00:49:28,050 --> 00:49:29,050
What are we learning about?

731
00:49:29,150 --> 00:49:29,430
Coop.

732
00:49:29,650 --> 00:49:30,150
There's a word.

733
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:31,350
I wish I knew the word for it.

734
00:49:31,390 --> 00:49:31,910
I'm so glad.

735
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:34,230
I'm so glad we're learning this about you.

736
00:49:34,310 --> 00:49:35,170
So this whole time.

737
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:38,630
So every time we were eating like tacos in the lab together.

738
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:41,230
This is why you'll grab your food.

739
00:49:41,330 --> 00:49:44,010
This is why you'll grab your food and go to the office sometimes then.

740
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:47,030
No, usually so I can look at my computer screen while I'm eating.

741
00:49:47,590 --> 00:49:47,770
Dang.

742
00:49:47,890 --> 00:49:49,210
This explains so much, right?

743
00:49:49,350 --> 00:49:51,230
It's really just loud.

744
00:49:51,230 --> 00:49:52,270
I've never seen Keanu eat.

745
00:49:52,310 --> 00:49:58,150
no but this is why he'll come and grab something or while go be like hey there's food out here and

746
00:49:58,150 --> 00:50:02,090
he'll be like okay i'll come grab something a little bit this is why he comes and grabs something

747
00:50:02,090 --> 00:50:07,170
and then goes back in back this is super tits of you to do this no i don't that's not why i mean

748
00:50:07,170 --> 00:50:11,890
i'm explaining that that's not why i do that this is my assumption now okay well you can assume that

749
00:50:11,890 --> 00:50:15,670
i guess it's gonna be it's really hard to change your mind i'm gonna have to keep a an eye out now

750
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:22,390
during plebsgiving yeah so how do you do that during plebsgiving then i don't know i just yeah

751
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:27,230
i have to wear earplugs car i have to wear earplugs and i have to start looking at you

752
00:50:27,230 --> 00:50:31,670
every time we're eating together now i'm gonna start looking at each other like

753
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:36,170
it's mostly when it's just when people like open eat with their mouth open that's me

754
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:42,330
yeah i know i could hear this whole time this whole time this has been bothering you and you

755
00:50:42,330 --> 00:50:49,430
never told me man what else are you keeping from me uh yeah it's uh yeah i don't i wasn't keeping

756
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:53,470
it from me i was just trying to have dead air while you're servicing yourself with a beer

757
00:50:53,470 --> 00:50:59,270
it's good that we're growing in a relationship here it's called uh i don't know if i'm saying

758
00:50:59,270 --> 00:51:03,550
this right the condition where someone is bothered by the sounds of people eating chewing or similar

759
00:51:03,550 --> 00:51:11,310
noises is called misephoria misephoria oh wow is that a thing yeah dude dang dude i have misephoria

760
00:51:11,310 --> 00:51:12,790
at least a little bit.

761
00:51:13,850 --> 00:51:15,130
I'm not unbothered.

762
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:16,230
Misophonia.

763
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:17,990
Misophonia. Interesting.

764
00:51:19,050 --> 00:51:21,050
Dang. I'm trying to think if there's anything

765
00:51:21,050 --> 00:51:21,950
that bothers me.

766
00:51:21,950 --> 00:51:23,370
I'm trying to think if there's anything that

767
00:51:23,370 --> 00:51:27,790
bothers me about you.

768
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:30,230
What bothers me about Coop?

769
00:51:31,930 --> 00:51:33,070
I'm trying to think.

770
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:36,030
I have to think about it. I'll have one for next week, I think.

771
00:51:39,110 --> 00:51:39,630
I don't know.

772
00:51:40,350 --> 00:51:41,210
Can't think of anything.

773
00:51:41,310 --> 00:51:47,990
not yet at least not yet give me some time give me some time yeah maybe something will come up

774
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:53,890
later in the show yeah but nothing to where it's like a misephoria you know misophonia yeah

775
00:51:53,890 --> 00:52:00,130
misophonia yeah i mean it's not that you but it's not you no it's a it's a thing that's a

776
00:52:00,130 --> 00:52:06,350
thing that bothers me it it's not too bad i can it's not like i you know it's just i have it sort

777
00:52:06,350 --> 00:52:11,050
of infuriates me and i'm like i don't want to be infuriated but it infuriates me gosh i'm trying

778
00:52:11,050 --> 00:52:12,570
Is there anything like that for you, Topher?

779
00:52:12,810 --> 00:52:14,090
I know what it is, though.

780
00:52:14,650 --> 00:52:16,070
Because I've hung out with you enough what it is.

781
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:17,670
Oh, things that infuriate me?

782
00:52:17,690 --> 00:52:17,950
Yeah.

783
00:52:18,250 --> 00:52:20,710
I try not to keep a list in the back of my mind.

784
00:52:21,370 --> 00:52:22,690
You're a perfectionist.

785
00:52:22,770 --> 00:52:24,470
It has to be boom, boom, boom.

786
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:25,810
Like, it has to be perfect.

787
00:52:26,610 --> 00:52:26,970
Yeah.

788
00:52:27,890 --> 00:52:32,970
You're an orderly orderer.

789
00:52:33,830 --> 00:52:34,790
Orderly orderer.

790
00:52:34,970 --> 00:52:35,630
Yeah, everything.

791
00:52:36,030 --> 00:52:36,190
Well, OCD.

792
00:52:36,530 --> 00:52:37,350
He's got OCD.

793
00:52:37,350 --> 00:52:45,030
i wouldn't say like if something is off that it infuriates there was one time where like we were

794
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:49,690
i forget what it was we were at the lab and that came in on a monday and everything was just like

795
00:52:49,690 --> 00:52:54,510
clean i was like it was already clean but it wasn't tofer clean no it wasn't tofer clean

796
00:52:54,510 --> 00:52:59,790
i was like what the hell oh everything has to be aligned yeah everything has to be like

797
00:52:59,790 --> 00:53:04,630
that's not too bad but you're not like ocd like you'll you'll like check the locks three times

798
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:06,650
every time. Otherwise you feel like it's

799
00:53:06,650 --> 00:53:07,570
unlocked or whatever.

800
00:53:09,770 --> 00:53:11,110
That's like the pathological

801
00:53:11,110 --> 00:53:12,710
form. Otherwise you just

802
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:13,750
like things nice.

803
00:53:14,370 --> 00:53:17,070
I guess the only thing I have

804
00:53:17,070 --> 00:53:18,630
is more like I was telling Nick last night

805
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:20,710
was like the fire stuff. That's the only thing I'm

806
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:21,750
kind of like OCD about.

807
00:53:22,430 --> 00:53:24,190
Making sure everything's turned off.

808
00:53:24,830 --> 00:53:26,570
The coffee maker, stuff like that.

809
00:53:27,810 --> 00:53:28,030
Oh.

810
00:53:28,550 --> 00:53:30,710
So it would bother you at the old place when we

811
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:31,370
leave on the night.

812
00:53:31,370 --> 00:53:31,450
Yeah.

813
00:53:31,450 --> 00:53:32,350
yeah yeah like

814
00:53:32,350 --> 00:53:37,430
have you ever lived in a house

815
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:38,910
that got caught fire yeah I did

816
00:53:38,910 --> 00:53:41,110
oh I didn't know that while you were in it

817
00:53:41,110 --> 00:53:42,590
yeah twice

818
00:53:42,590 --> 00:53:44,930
twice what yeah we

819
00:53:44,930 --> 00:53:47,330
that's for a different show maybe maybe we get to

820
00:53:47,330 --> 00:53:49,550
fourth the fourth year we'll talk about it

821
00:53:49,550 --> 00:53:51,290
so what the heck yeah

822
00:53:51,290 --> 00:53:52,850
not my fault

823
00:53:52,850 --> 00:53:55,230
but we'll have to talk about it

824
00:53:55,230 --> 00:53:56,790
maybe that'll be a dark stack of news

825
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:59,090
alright that's all the top stories of the week

826
00:53:59,090 --> 00:54:00,690
we're gonna jump into

827
00:54:00,690 --> 00:54:02,950
to AI Bitcoin.

828
00:54:04,070 --> 00:54:06,890
This week in AI, September 22nd to the 28th, 2025.

829
00:54:07,790 --> 00:54:08,610
Are y'all hooked yet?

830
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:10,810
Time to start reeling in them sweet profits.

831
00:54:10,930 --> 00:54:11,890
This is from Optimism.

832
00:54:12,330 --> 00:54:13,790
He was talking a lot about how OpenAI

833
00:54:13,790 --> 00:54:15,530
is going to start preparing advertising.

834
00:54:15,690 --> 00:54:16,450
Did you hear about that, Coop?

835
00:54:18,330 --> 00:54:19,790
Yeah, I did hear about it.

836
00:54:19,930 --> 00:54:20,730
Not surprised.

837
00:54:21,490 --> 00:54:22,530
If you're not paying for things,

838
00:54:22,610 --> 00:54:23,790
I don't know what you expect.

839
00:54:24,290 --> 00:54:25,930
Yeah, the one that really caught my interest

840
00:54:25,930 --> 00:54:29,050
was that YouTube Music is testing AI hosts

841
00:54:29,050 --> 00:54:30,710
that will interrupt your tunes.

842
00:54:30,850 --> 00:54:32,170
That's not going to make it.

843
00:54:32,610 --> 00:54:35,250
So apparently you're going to be able to discover

844
00:54:35,250 --> 00:54:37,970
the next generation of YouTube, in case you were wondering.

845
00:54:39,310 --> 00:54:42,050
A new AI music hosts are supposed to provide

846
00:54:42,050 --> 00:54:44,270
a richer listener experience, according to YouTube.

847
00:54:44,410 --> 00:54:45,490
As you're listening to tunes,

848
00:54:45,590 --> 00:54:47,290
the AI will generate auto snippets

849
00:54:47,290 --> 00:54:50,750
similar to fake podcasts that you can create

850
00:54:50,750 --> 00:54:53,550
in your notebook LM called Beyond the Beat.

851
00:54:53,550 --> 00:54:54,990
I don't think it sounds good.

852
00:54:55,570 --> 00:54:56,470
The host will...

853
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:57,510
I lost my place.

854
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:59,510
Hang on, where was I had?

855
00:54:59,510 --> 00:55:00,510
And I had a flow.

856
00:55:00,510 --> 00:55:04,430
The host will break in every so often with relevant stories, trivia, and commentary about

857
00:55:04,430 --> 00:55:05,910
your musical tastes.

858
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:09,870
YouTube says this feature will appear when you are listening to mixes in Radio Station.

859
00:55:09,870 --> 00:55:13,390
The experimental feature is intended to be a bit like having a radio host drop some playful

860
00:55:13,390 --> 00:55:29,380
banter while queuing up the next song It sounds a bit like Spotify AI DJ but with the YouTube AI it doesn create playlists like Spotify robot This is still a generative AI which comes with the risk of hallucinations and low slop neither of which belongs in your music

861
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:35,320
That said, Google's audio overviews are often surprisingly good in small doses.

862
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:37,160
What do you think, Dan?

863
00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:39,520
You going to start using it, or are you going to snooze it?

864
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:41,880
Use it or snooze it.

865
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,540
New segment on Stacker News Live.

866
00:55:43,900 --> 00:55:52,180
snooze it car how about you use it or snooze it uh it sounds kind of cool i'd i'm curious like

867
00:55:52,180 --> 00:55:57,100
what'll happen if you just fed it a playlist full of like really racist and homophobic

868
00:55:57,100 --> 00:56:03,900
music not that i know where to get any of that but like can you can you sort of like get the uh

869
00:56:03,900 --> 00:56:08,660
the ai to just start saying like really nasty things because that's usually like what the

870
00:56:08,660 --> 00:56:14,020
internet likes to do like see if they can turn these ais into same nasty things you could use

871
00:56:14,020 --> 00:56:19,120
gemini i'd probably do that for you yeah it's gemini like unlocked on relative of the other

872
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,660
ones but didn't they do that in the very beginning or did they clean all that up

873
00:56:21,660 --> 00:56:28,760
that was like 10 years ago and yeah okay whenever you release something new in the ai world it's

874
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:33,120
fun to like see if you can hack it or game it the other one i wanted to bring up was here's my

875
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:40,380
playlist of of ways to make methamphetamine the other one i wanted to bring up was from mcp to

876
00:56:40,380 --> 00:56:45,320
shell so this one got shared i didn't get a chance to read through it but it basically covered the

877
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:50,800
memory when we had that mcp hack that everybody was talking about for like a week and it talked

878
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:59,360
about how there was uh basically like some kind of um i don't know if it was what was it it was the

879
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:05,460
hang on it was earlier this year mcp introduced an oauth standard to authenticate clients

880
00:57:05,460 --> 00:57:11,340
many mc client mcp clients did not validate the authorization url passed by malicious mpc

881
00:57:11,340 --> 00:57:17,300
mcp server we were able to exploit this bug to achieve remote code execution in popular tools

882
00:57:17,300 --> 00:57:24,560
and basically they go through the whole the whole process of them exploiting the attack surface and

883
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,840
And they talk about explaining Cloudflare's library.

884
00:57:28,540 --> 00:57:29,800
And so they go through the whole video.

885
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:30,720
It's down here at the bottom.

886
00:57:30,860 --> 00:57:31,800
Let me see if I can find it.

887
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:32,700
Yeah, here.

888
00:57:33,540 --> 00:57:36,780
And they talk about how they did it.

889
00:57:36,820 --> 00:57:38,020
And they do a full run through.

890
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,220
But I just wanted to give light to it.

891
00:57:41,220 --> 00:57:46,100
Because if there's anybody who is working on AI and is interested in all this stuff,

892
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:50,140
I think this would be good for you to maybe look into it.

893
00:57:50,140 --> 00:57:51,200
I don't know much about it.

894
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:55,260
but I know there's a lot of people who are interested in AI who watch this

895
00:57:55,260 --> 00:57:55,540
stuff.

896
00:57:56,580 --> 00:57:57,340
Do you guys,

897
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:58,660
do you guys remember this exploit?

898
00:57:59,540 --> 00:57:59,640
Yeah.

899
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:00,760
I remember when this dropped.

900
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:02,840
I remember hearing about it.

901
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,960
I don't use a lot of custom tooling outside of what comes out of the box.

902
00:58:07,340 --> 00:58:09,880
So I don't really worry about this too much,

903
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:10,860
but it is,

904
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:12,680
this is like a huge problem.

905
00:58:12,820 --> 00:58:13,020
Yeah.

906
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:14,480
Cause the AI's are,

907
00:58:14,980 --> 00:58:15,800
the agents are naive.

908
00:58:16,380 --> 00:58:20,080
So it's very easy to exploit and then tell them,

909
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:26,500
oh run this command that gives me remote uh execution on your machine i have more like a

910
00:58:26,500 --> 00:58:30,440
basic question twice about it i have more like a basic question i thought mcp was supposed to fix

911
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:36,040
all this because wasn't it like an open standard so wasn't it supposed to make this a lot more like

912
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:42,980
um open because because i thought api i thought like that was the whole point of like

913
00:58:42,980 --> 00:58:48,440
because it wasn't an anthropic that made the mcp standard so wasn't it supposed to fix all this

914
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:57,540
i don't know if it was supposed to fix all this um i think it was the the point of mcp was just

915
00:58:57,540 --> 00:59:06,240
so that uh ais could have an easier time consuming uh tools online tools um yeah i i think um

916
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:11,400
i mean it's like it's a new paradigm so you're also going to run into like new

917
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:19,000
types of attacks that you just didn't think about before um so i hope they fixed it i think they

918
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:24,320
yeah i think they they fixed it but um there's probably even more attacks uh that other people

919
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:32,380
will figure out um because like the the agents are gullible and oh you can't even keep agents from

920
00:59:32,380 --> 00:59:39,480
from preventing uh you can't even prevent agents from like giving you like recipes for making drugs

921
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:40,060
and stuff like that.

922
00:59:40,060 --> 00:59:41,540
We're going to bring up another story here later.

923
00:59:41,740 --> 00:59:43,160
But yeah, I just wanted to bring this up.

924
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:44,380
This is from Vera Labs.

925
00:59:44,860 --> 00:59:46,620
I thought Carter posted this

926
00:59:46,620 --> 00:59:47,760
and it didn't get any love.

927
00:59:47,940 --> 00:59:48,560
I zapped it.

928
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,420
So I just wanted to bring this up.

929
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:55,560
This was in the This Week in AI thing

930
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:56,880
that Optimism does every week.

931
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:58,940
I think if you're not paying attention to this

932
00:59:58,940 --> 00:59:59,620
or your stacker,

933
00:59:59,700 --> 01:00:02,940
you probably should at least give it some looks

934
01:00:02,940 --> 01:00:05,460
because it's pretty thorough.

935
01:00:05,740 --> 01:00:06,780
It's not only thorough,

936
01:00:06,900 --> 01:00:08,380
but you'll find stuff like this

937
01:00:08,380 --> 01:00:10,220
that you'll probably miss.

938
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,380
And at least if you're not going to look at it every week,

939
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:14,580
you should probably just look every week

940
01:00:14,580 --> 01:00:16,880
and go to the security and safety part section

941
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,460
because that's probably the most important section,

942
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,720
just so you see why.

943
01:00:23,820 --> 01:00:28,160
The other thing we're going to cover is Wumble's Picks.

944
01:00:28,740 --> 01:00:29,580
Wumble's Picks.

945
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:30,600
Wumble's Picks.

946
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:31,780
Wumble's Picks.

947
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,780
Wumble's Picks.

948
01:00:34,780 --> 01:00:39,380
this is uh silent payments for privacy and bitcoin this is from coop

949
01:00:39,380 --> 01:00:46,760
oh that's right what is i forgot that i shared that but yeah uh john d cook whose blog i've been

950
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:50,900
seeing for i don't know probably like a decade but he writes about bitcoin occasionally too i guess

951
01:00:50,900 --> 01:00:54,340
that john b cook right here that's john d cook i think i don't think he shared a picture of another

952
01:00:54,340 --> 01:01:02,720
man on his own website unless he talks himself that'd be kind of romantic i guess but um no uh

953
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:03,360
That's him.

954
01:01:03,500 --> 01:01:04,920
And he wrote about silent payments.

955
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:09,120
And to be honest, I had never really looked deeply into silent payments.

956
01:01:09,260 --> 01:01:12,680
I understood the basic concept, but I did not really pay much attention.

957
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:18,680
And he does a great high-level view of it, explaining the kind of simple version of the protocol.

958
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:21,800
And then Wombo picked this.

959
01:01:22,580 --> 01:01:25,360
So for our Wombo's Pick segment.

960
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:31,620
But the reason why we want something like silent payments is because we don't want a dress reuse in Bitcoin.

961
01:01:31,620 --> 01:01:42,480
And the reason we don't want to address for use in Bitcoin is because if you associate your identity with an address and you're only using one address, now all of your Bitcoin is associated with your identity.

962
01:01:43,300 --> 01:01:58,960
So most online stores or anything, they'll generate a new address for each purchase so that if your identity gets associated with one of those addresses, it's kind of compartmentalized to just that address and all your other Bitcoin is still identity free.

963
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:04,400
And so that's why we're generally interested in this kind of stuff.

964
01:02:06,180 --> 01:02:13,180
But there are contexts where it's inconvenient or you can't generate a new address every time.

965
01:02:13,420 --> 01:02:22,760
For instance, you're just a human rights foundation of a kind and you want to put a donation address on your website.

966
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:28,820
And you don't want to have to have a BTC pay server or something else in the background generating a new address for every donation.

967
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:35,420
you want a static address. And so this, you can't generate a new address every time,

968
01:02:35,420 --> 01:02:41,380
or you want to print out a donation address or an address for something. That's another case

969
01:02:41,380 --> 01:02:45,540
where you'd want a static address. So that's why silent payments exist because they allow you,

970
01:02:45,540 --> 01:02:54,560
they allow the sender to construct a new address for the receiver from a static address that the

971
01:02:54,560 --> 01:03:01,660
receiver provides. And they do this by taking something that looks a lot like a Bitcoin address,

972
01:03:01,780 --> 01:03:08,120
but starts with SP1. And they take that along with the inputs they're going to spend

973
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:17,320
to that address. And they construct a taproot address that they spend to. And now the receiver

974
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:28,540
of the money then scans the blockchain, looking at any taproot outputs and any inputs to that

975
01:03:28,540 --> 01:03:35,180
taproot output, and combine it with their own silent payment address private key and

976
01:03:35,180 --> 01:03:40,540
see if it matches the taproot output such that they can spend it.

977
01:03:40,540 --> 01:03:47,920
And so that's the basic gist of what happens here.

978
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:54,140
But effectively, if I'm Alice, I'm sending Bob money, who gave me a silent payment address.

979
01:03:54,640 --> 01:04:04,300
I use information that will be publicly available on the blockchain, in addition to the silent payment address, which is also public,

980
01:04:04,300 --> 01:04:07,300
to construct another address

981
01:04:07,300 --> 01:04:11,940
that I know that only Bob can spend from.

982
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:13,980
And that's what I spend too.

983
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:19,020
And then Bob can hunt for it on the blockchain

984
01:04:19,020 --> 01:04:20,860
and recover the money.

985
01:04:20,860 --> 01:04:21,540
Like that word, hunt.

986
01:04:22,060 --> 01:04:26,440
Yeah, it is that resource intensive.

987
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,120
So I guess the pleb question here,

988
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:30,300
because I'm the pleb here,

989
01:04:30,300 --> 01:04:36,380
What software will I use to use silent payments?

990
01:04:36,540 --> 01:04:38,340
There's quite a few wallets that support it now.

991
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:44,160
The one that gets talked about the most is probably Cake Wallet,

992
01:04:44,420 --> 01:04:48,580
but it does have a variety of other cryptocurrencies in it.

993
01:04:49,380 --> 01:04:52,740
So a lot of Bitcoiners would probably not be interested in using that.

994
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,440
There's another one called, I think, Selenium,

995
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:59,960
which is a PWA

996
01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:03,380
that's Bitcoin only for silent payments.

997
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:05,760
I think there's a handful of others.

998
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,300
Bitbox I think allows sending to a silent payment address.

999
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,120
Does Electrum or Sparrow not do so?

1000
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,160
No, I don't think they do so yet.

1001
01:05:13,260 --> 01:05:15,680
You can go to silentpayments.xyz I believe

1002
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,900
and they have a list of the wallets.

1003
01:05:20,020 --> 01:05:21,920
I had it pulled up here a second ago.

1004
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,280
Silentpayments.xyz?

1005
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:29,180
yeah here we go they have a wallet oh there it goes yeah they will if you go to their wallet

1006
01:05:29,180 --> 01:05:35,920
support i don't know if it's uh in their docs page yeah wallet support silent payments wallet

1007
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:41,920
support second from the top left seconds from the top left i don't see it see bounties oh there it

1008
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:47,200
goes wallet support okay so it looks like oh blue wallet bro i was just talking about you can send

1009
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:52,360
though you can't receive because i can send silent payments to be a blue wallet on mobile

1010
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,820
boss. Yeah, but you can't receive it

1011
01:05:55,820 --> 01:05:57,560
because receiving is the intense part.

1012
01:05:57,900 --> 01:05:59,500
Sending is fairly straightforward.

1013
01:05:59,820 --> 01:06:01,360
But Topher can send me a silent payment.

1014
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:03,480
If

1015
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,180
Topher has a blue wallet

1016
01:06:05,180 --> 01:06:08,040
and you're either using Cake Wallet

1017
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:09,540
or Selentium

1018
01:06:09,540 --> 01:06:11,520
or Dana Wallet

1019
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,300
or Chase Wallet.

1020
01:06:14,020 --> 01:06:15,260
To my blue wallet.

1021
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,500
No, because blue wallet cannot

1022
01:06:17,500 --> 01:06:18,740
receive silent payments.

1023
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:20,680
Yeah.

1024
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:27,240
so you see here we have so it looks like only yeah there's not that many that there's not that many

1025
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:31,640
that do it yet because again on the for the receiver it's fairly intense there i wonder why

1026
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:37,000
because for the receiver it's fairly intense you have to scan the entire blockchain from the time

1027
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:42,220
you create your silent payment address looking for taproot outputs why isn't anybody thrown a

1028
01:06:42,220 --> 01:06:48,600
grant at this uh i suspect they have there are there they say on silent payments's website they

1029
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:53,040
talk about uh some of the things that they're working on one of them is an electrum-like explorer

1030
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:59,440
specifically for let's get on it grant people specifically for drop some grants finding an

1031
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:07,360
indexing some sats all over it indexing these um it'll happen they'll do it they'll make it happen

1032
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:12,100
yeah because it looks like it's just the cake wallet that no one's going to use right

1033
01:07:12,100 --> 01:07:18,140
um well i think some prominent bitcoin podcasts have had them to talk about it so i think there

1034
01:07:18,140 --> 01:07:22,740
already are people using it but it does have other yeah cryptocurrencies and sometimes that

1035
01:07:22,740 --> 01:07:29,380
can be troubling um the bit box it doesn't look like that's no they can only send they can only

1036
01:07:29,380 --> 01:07:36,660
send blue wall i can send selentium might be selentium selentium is just a pwa an open source

1037
01:07:36,660 --> 01:07:43,000
pwa that you can use maybe specifically for this purpose do we know that louis singer oh do we

1038
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:51,700
know him or no i don't personally know him no do you know him tofer who singer i do not okay

1039
01:07:51,700 --> 01:07:59,120
bit box but that doesn't receive it interesting this could be cool yeah they're my good wumble's

1040
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:04,600
picks man geez wumble might also not be an exhaustive list of wallets this might be your

1041
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:12,980
best pick yet wumble wumble's picks keep uh tofer what do you think about silent payments is this um

1042
01:08:12,980 --> 01:08:20,540
you like key tweaking stuff yeah no it's fine the payments are cool i like it dang yeah it should

1043
01:08:20,540 --> 01:08:29,700
be like a standard thing that uh it's almost like having an xpub but um it's it's private and people

1044
01:08:29,700 --> 01:08:36,160
can send you payments that uh only you know about or you and they know about yeah and otherwise on

1045
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:42,980
chain it otherwise looks like a normal taproot spend so yeah yeah pretty bullish dude man i feel

1046
01:08:42,980 --> 01:08:48,860
like on chain's making a comeback yeah if we if we had like if it was standard for wallets to be

1047
01:08:48,860 --> 01:08:56,820
able to look for silent payments because we already like um like the bip 32 wallets already

1048
01:08:56,820 --> 01:09:03,020
do scanning yeah so to just add this i don't think it's that much more um you do have to do

1049
01:09:03,020 --> 01:09:08,420
the key tweaking to figure out if it's your address but it's i feel like that's so useful

1050
01:09:08,420 --> 01:09:13,480
and for most people like you aren't looking through too much stuff to find your payments so

1051
01:09:13,480 --> 01:09:17,560
dude having silent payments would be a nice addition they could put this in blue wallet

1052
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:26,000
got our bid access run those little mempools got your notes are you not a tight uh toxic

1053
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:30,340
lightning maximalist on car you're a toxic i feel like i feel like i feel like i feel like

1054
01:09:30,340 --> 01:09:35,360
i'm the darth coin meme right now and then maybe i can uh i can pay my my pleb lab bill

1055
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:41,000
without feeling like i'm doxing myself we can get that over there in the corner behind tofer

1056
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:46,380
telling you man on chain transactions yeah when are you gonna accept silent payments car

1057
01:09:46,380 --> 01:09:49,000
um and blue wallet ads like

1058
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:57,680
dude this is um this bullish wumbles picks every week here on stacker news live

1059
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:03,960
wumbles pics man he's getting he's getting good all right let's jump into koob's pics i bought a

1060
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:08,740
sticker from a stranger on a trolley with bitcoin that's strange keon what's this yeah i thought

1061
01:10:08,740 --> 01:10:15,680
this was fun uh so apparently sad attack was going to school uh via trolley maybe that's just what

1062
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:21,040
they call trains where he's at really uh but uh a trolley cart uh maybe yeah maybe or maybe it's a

1063
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:25,500
little maybe he's in san francisco and he's on it for a real trolley um we used to have trolley

1064
01:10:25,500 --> 01:10:30,580
in corpus or i think and corpus yeah oh that makes sense they just like cruises down the bay

1065
01:10:30,580 --> 01:10:36,280
yeah like seaside town yeah everything they had a lot of it's a good view railroad it's a good sit

1066
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:41,180
it's a good sit yeah they still use them in san francisco i think is it go down the fisherman's

1067
01:10:41,180 --> 01:10:46,420
wharf and stuff i don't know about where it goes but i have been on streets where i've seen them go

1068
01:10:46,420 --> 01:10:51,220
by still makes sense recent times um see why you would buy a sticker then at that point if it's just

1069
01:10:51,220 --> 01:10:54,400
going down the fish if you're on a trolley yeah if you're on fisherman's wharf i don't think that's

1070
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:59,260
where he is i think he's probably somewhere else um but apparently he's on he's on there and there's

1071
01:10:59,260 --> 01:11:04,040
a guy selling his stickers where he takes his artwork that he does in some medium and turns

1072
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:08,580
them into stickers and he asked the guy if he'll accept bitcoin it's a wookie it's a wookie

1073
01:11:08,580 --> 01:11:13,620
we're in a disneyland the guy said he drew it by hand every hair i doubt that it looks like a

1074
01:11:13,620 --> 01:11:21,460
picture it looks like a dog right it's like a puppy well it's a little puppy but uh anyway the

1075
01:11:21,460 --> 01:11:26,420
guy selling him this sold him this sticker and he asked or wanted to wanted to sell the sticker and

1076
01:11:26,420 --> 01:11:31,220
he asked him if he'd accept bitcoin and the guy said he'd love to but he doesn't understand it so

1077
01:11:31,220 --> 01:11:36,160
then he proceeded to explain bitcoin he downloaded blue orange pulled him he didn't download blue

1078
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:42,360
wallet he downloaded blink which is a custodial lightning wallet available in not in san francisco

1079
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:48,060
so that's another piece of evidence that this isn't happening in the united states but he hasn't

1080
01:11:48,060 --> 01:11:52,780
download blink he pays him the cost of the sticker i think he said it was 6 000 sats pretty

1081
01:11:52,780 --> 01:11:57,380
price 6 000 sats for this sticker would you buy that for 6 000 tofer maybe he bought a stack of

1082
01:11:57,380 --> 01:12:02,520
them i don't and this is just one that he shared it's a dude for the love of the game yeah well

1083
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:06,900
he might he might have also tipped him kevin durant with a coinbase wallet what's going on

1084
01:12:06,900 --> 01:12:11,140
he might have given him extra to tip him because he like he sat through his orange

1085
01:12:11,140 --> 01:12:16,460
the love of the game he had enough he had enough time to explain to him about uh payment channels

1086
01:12:16,460 --> 01:12:21,920
and that sounded like the most la thing he ever said sorry kian you gotta get the money out there

1087
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:29,160
getting people's pockets go ahead i'm sorry oh anyway i just i like i like this story it's a

1088
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:34,260
it's a cool story occasionally you run into someone who's receptive or bored enough to let

1089
01:12:34,260 --> 01:12:38,840
to like kian would you let you beat their ears with bitcoin talk did you buy the sticker for

1090
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:39,700
6,000 cents?

1091
01:12:40,860 --> 01:12:42,780
Maybe. Maybe if I were...

1092
01:12:42,780 --> 01:12:45,020
For the love of the game? Maybe for the love of the game.

1093
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:48,780
Ted, would you buy the sticker for

1094
01:12:48,780 --> 01:12:49,040
$10?

1095
01:12:50,860 --> 01:12:53,000
Yeah. Ted's never bought a sticker in his life.

1096
01:12:55,540 --> 01:12:56,940
I would not buy the sticker

1097
01:12:56,940 --> 01:12:58,940
for 6,000

1098
01:12:58,940 --> 01:13:00,360
cents. How much would you pay?

1099
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,120
I wouldn't buy it. I would say, this is a cute dog,

1100
01:13:03,220 --> 01:13:04,500
but I wouldn't buy it.

1101
01:13:06,820 --> 01:13:08,120
It's a cute dog.

1102
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:10,440
it's holding a

1103
01:13:10,440 --> 01:13:12,080
that was the worst Star Wars

1104
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:12,720
I didn't like

1105
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:14,520
oh you didn't like the Wookiee Star Wars

1106
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,120
which Star Wars is that the second one

1107
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,780
yeah it was just as bad as the

1108
01:13:18,780 --> 01:13:19,820
was it a holiday special

1109
01:13:19,820 --> 01:13:23,100
no so like what is this Return of the Jedi

1110
01:13:23,100 --> 01:13:24,160
it was just as bad as

1111
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:25,580
these are the Ewoks

1112
01:13:25,580 --> 01:13:28,440
oh it's not a Wookiee, an Ewok, my bad

1113
01:13:28,440 --> 01:13:29,380
yeah

1114
01:13:29,380 --> 01:13:33,020
it was just as bad as the last

1115
01:13:33,020 --> 01:13:34,940
the

1116
01:13:34,940 --> 01:13:36,460
yeah

1117
01:13:36,460 --> 01:13:43,780
wait is there a holiday special version oh the star wars holiday special with the ewoks go to

1118
01:13:43,780 --> 01:13:53,020
disneyland i don't know they go to disneyland but i never saw that one thank god oh man anyways

1119
01:13:53,020 --> 01:13:55,880
good good post that's a good laugh

1120
01:13:55,880 --> 01:14:02,420
anyways uh we're gonna also train is a good place to corner somebody and teach them bitcoin

1121
01:14:02,420 --> 01:14:07,440
yeah they're they're totally captive especially as a trolley because those aren't very long he was

1122
01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:15,380
like basically like you would shout across the orange bill someone oh man uh i'm gonna jump

1123
01:14:15,380 --> 01:14:24,100
you're jumping to my post uh first one is to ai or not to ai this is from um this company called

1124
01:14:24,100 --> 01:14:29,380
entropia blog or entropia they basically went through a two-week experiment building an app

1125
01:14:29,380 --> 01:14:36,120
with full AI assistance, exploring both the promise and frustrations of an LM-based development workflow.

1126
01:14:36,820 --> 01:14:42,000
And the experiment was to basically build this thing called Bernardo.

1127
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,720
And they did it.

1128
01:14:45,260 --> 01:14:48,980
And first, the approach was very difficult because it had all these different workflows.

1129
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:52,260
And you guys know the different workflows and the problems.

1130
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:58,180
And they had hallucinations, maintainability, the flow, other people using it.

1131
01:14:58,180 --> 01:14:59,640
and the outcome was very poor.

1132
01:14:59,780 --> 01:15:02,000
And they basically came up to the opinion of like,

1133
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:03,920
it's a great powerful search engine.

1134
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:05,300
There's a lot of rubber ducking.

1135
01:15:05,420 --> 01:15:06,640
There's code snippet assistance.

1136
01:15:06,780 --> 01:15:07,340
There's tests.

1137
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,680
There's language related tasks and problems,

1138
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:14,380
but they were not going to use AI at the end of it.

1139
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:16,160
What do you guys think?

1140
01:15:16,820 --> 01:15:19,900
Is it worth using AI or not?

1141
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:21,460
For what?

1142
01:15:22,100 --> 01:15:23,160
For coding.

1143
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,160
I think

1144
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,420
I think most people would say

1145
01:15:27,420 --> 01:15:29,920
yes I don't think there's much debate about that

1146
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,060
I think this post sounds like it was about

1147
01:15:32,060 --> 01:15:33,680
making a product that is

1148
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:35,000
where AI is a central

1149
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:38,000
value add to it I didn't read this post so I don't

1150
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:38,940
really know but

1151
01:15:38,940 --> 01:15:40,240
to AI or not

1152
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:43,160
to AI or not

1153
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:44,540
definitely to AI

1154
01:15:44,540 --> 01:15:46,580
but it's not the same as coding

1155
01:15:46,580 --> 01:15:48,500
it's like a completely different

1156
01:15:48,500 --> 01:15:50,460
approach that you have to take

1157
01:15:50,460 --> 01:15:52,620
but absolutely

1158
01:15:52,620 --> 01:15:55,160
Ted to AI or not to AI?

1159
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:57,740
Wow, so three to AI.

1160
01:15:57,940 --> 01:15:59,020
Keon, you said yes, right?

1161
01:15:59,040 --> 01:15:59,980
I mean, Ted's biased.

1162
01:16:00,060 --> 01:16:01,180
Well, I don't know what we're talking about.

1163
01:16:01,180 --> 01:16:02,060
Building an AI company.

1164
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:03,380
Just answer the question.

1165
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:04,680
It's a loaded post.

1166
01:16:05,260 --> 01:16:08,080
To me, when I read this, it was done by a marketer.

1167
01:16:08,620 --> 01:16:10,340
And he was just trying to get some clickbait.

1168
01:16:10,440 --> 01:16:11,740
And it worked because we're talking about it.

1169
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:14,300
Because it's called Enthropia.

1170
01:16:14,740 --> 01:16:15,700
Here, you're getting your plug.

1171
01:16:15,700 --> 01:16:16,900
Choose it or snooze it.

1172
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:18,680
To AI or not to AI?

1173
01:16:18,820 --> 01:16:20,280
Choose it or snooze it, Keon?

1174
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:27,700
oh i like if it's about building with ai choose it oh wow okay but if it's it's about him plugging

1175
01:16:27,700 --> 01:16:33,540
his company i think he's i think he's describing building an app without ever really intervening

1176
01:16:33,540 --> 01:16:40,180
mostly uh yeah not really writing any code at all yeah i would say that's probably hard at least in

1177
01:16:40,180 --> 01:16:45,680
your context you're probably needing to provide code right tofer or are you saying or would you

1178
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:52,380
guys be like no you can do it completely without it it depends on how big the project is okay if

1179
01:16:52,380 --> 01:16:57,800
it's if it's a small project then you probably don't have to code at all but a larger project

1180
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:04,400
i would think that you you got to get in there and um i mean you're you're building something

1181
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:08,320
that you have a vision for and the ai isn't going to get it exactly so you have to like go in there

1182
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:16,080
tweak it clean stuff up but um i've been uh experimenting with conventions and like having

1183
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:22,160
a conventions file where uh basically all the styles that you like for your code and how it

1184
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:27,900
looks um or just different kind of conventions uh you put that all in a file then the ai will just

1185
01:17:27,900 --> 01:17:32,840
keep that in mind as it's generating code and that gets me like 90 of the way there and then there's

1186
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:37,560
still a couple things i might have to like go back and you know yeah weak things here and there but

1187
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:42,740
then you're more like being an editor at that point um yeah you're not writing the code you're

1188
01:17:42,740 --> 01:17:49,340
just editing and revising it yeah this is a nice gig i i like the i like the promotion

1189
01:17:49,340 --> 01:17:56,180
okay from code monkey to uh code editor code monkey manager code monkey manager yeah so it

1190
01:17:56,180 --> 01:18:01,960
does so it does definitely feel like you're managing um i've heard tony said that before

1191
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:06,400
it does feel like you're managing a group of coders then oh it's you're totally middle managing

1192
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:07,440
a group of coders.

1193
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:08,080
That's kind of cool.

1194
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,680
I mean, I've only ever used it in design,

1195
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:15,100
the AI stuff,

1196
01:18:15,220 --> 01:18:17,660
and it's definitely 10 times better than Photoshop.

1197
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:19,100
10 times better.

1198
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,900
Especially when you know you can do things in design

1199
01:18:22,900 --> 01:18:24,260
that's like boom, boom, boom, boom,

1200
01:18:24,300 --> 01:18:25,740
that used to take you like hours.

1201
01:18:27,300 --> 01:18:28,920
So is it to the point where

1202
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:30,640
if you're looking at a photo

1203
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:32,860
and you can say like,

1204
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:34,940
remove this background

1205
01:18:34,940 --> 01:18:42,740
or cut out this person and it'll just do it well it's funny because like yesterday i had noticed

1206
01:18:42,740 --> 01:18:47,580
something that i have gotten so good at design that i'm i'm seeing in prime prime numbers now

1207
01:18:47,580 --> 01:18:55,080
and so i have always used my spacing in prime numbers just because i was taught that from a

1208
01:18:55,080 --> 01:19:01,560
very early age and so that's how you're supposed to that's how i was taught and most people you can

1209
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:05,840
tell like when they're when you look at their design and their spacing it's not in prime numbers

1210
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:12,180
and and i can look at like the spacing there like john does it really well so i can tell with the

1211
01:19:12,180 --> 01:19:17,580
spacing that it's in prime numbers and then whenever i was doing it like yesterday or the

1212
01:19:17,580 --> 01:19:22,200
day before i was like oh that's off and i went and fixed it and the ai just automatically moved

1213
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:27,120
it over i was like cool but most people can't tell that kind of stuff me and sam always talk

1214
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:30,860
about it all the time but like most people that haven't been designed very long can't tell those

1215
01:19:30,860 --> 01:19:36,740
things but i can tell right off the bat but instead of like all the clicks that you'd have

1216
01:19:36,740 --> 01:19:45,420
to make to move things around to fix it you can just it'll automatically do it now where it'll

1217
01:19:45,420 --> 01:19:50,960
automatically do those things and you don't have to do it anymore and that and it just seems like

1218
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:55,480
that's so much faster well over time it's going to get even better now so it's going to be better

1219
01:19:55,480 --> 01:20:02,320
about that kind of stuff so it'll start thinking like the way humans think about design and art

1220
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:07,400
and like what makes a good art piece and those type of things so that's what's cool about it

1221
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:15,120
yeah so if it's doing that for code i would imagine it is i'd imagine it is it's you could

1222
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:20,660
probably do the same thing for design like if you have a style and then you just document what your

1223
01:20:20,660 --> 01:20:26,800
style is put it into words even work on that with the ai because it's like the agent's going to be

1224
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:32,320
reading it so you work on it with the agent hey here's my style or like here's my work like

1225
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:37,920
describe to me the style and then you kind of work on that you get your style documented and then you

1226
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:42,940
kind of plug that into the agent and so anytime the agent generates something for you it's doing

1227
01:20:42,940 --> 01:20:47,220
it in your style i mean you see it with like the studio ghibli stuff and all that so that's why i

1228
01:20:47,220 --> 01:20:52,720
think it's it's i think when sam altman and some of these other like people that are doing ai where

1229
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:57,740
they talk about good input or good input in or whatever that saying that they say is i think

1230
01:20:57,740 --> 01:21:05,040
that's true but that's also true just in creativity and what you consume as as a consumer like it's

1231
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:08,760
same thing when you're working out and stuff and eating and all that kind of stuff but it's the same

1232
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:15,640
thing in when you're consuming um stuff that you're going to output like if you're not consuming

1233
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:23,420
good art and good um what do you call it then you're going to get bad output yeah yeah so are

1234
01:21:23,420 --> 01:21:31,520
you can so is this a concern that if you have the ai doing more and more of the work that some of

1235
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:37,420
your creative muscles will get atrophied no because i'm consuming high quality stuff you have

1236
01:21:37,420 --> 01:21:44,320
you have to consume high quality stuff you consume low quality clickbaity low quality stuff

1237
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:49,260
in media then you're going to get low quality output at least that's how i was taught that's

1238
01:21:49,260 --> 01:21:54,400
harvesting abs are made in the kitchen that's what car is saying it's not made in the gym

1239
01:21:54,400 --> 01:22:00,960
so his creative muscles will be made by his consumption not by exercising his creativity

1240
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:06,500
okay yeah yeah because once you reach a certain kubrick talks about a lot about this like once

1241
01:22:06,500 --> 01:22:11,560
you reach a certain plateau of your creative muscles like once you've learned everything as

1242
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:18,320
far as like the disciplines and the all the all that kind of stuff you get to a certain point where

1243
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:26,400
you just need to make sure that you're you're um i just saw that movie the new paul thomas

1244
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:31,960
anderson movie and there was there was there was a lot of parts in that movie where i was thinking

1245
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:35,620
about doing a write-up for second news live or second news and i'm going to talk about it but

1246
01:22:35,620 --> 01:22:38,840
there's a lot of parts in there where it's just like he had just missed a couple things

1247
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:45,760
and uh i was just like man it was almost there but it was it was it was it was it's clear as day

1248
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:51,320
like those things are are missed and it was like it's it's relatable to inherent vice but almost it

1249
01:22:51,320 --> 01:23:04,130
could have been there will be blood and it just like man he almost got it to where there it will be there will be blood but he just missed like a few things that could have it could have been that but it not that like because to where there will be blood But he just missed a few things that could have been that But it not that Because I think there will be blood is probably his masterpiece

1250
01:23:04,490 --> 01:23:07,690
But you need content like that so you notice the difference.

1251
01:23:07,870 --> 01:23:10,510
And it kind of teases out what your preferences are.

1252
01:23:11,050 --> 01:23:15,670
So if you had an AI that just constantly fed you stuff that you liked all the time,

1253
01:23:15,670 --> 01:23:20,310
would you forget what your preferences are?

1254
01:23:20,490 --> 01:23:22,210
Because you don't know anything outside of it.

1255
01:23:22,210 --> 01:23:28,830
if you're just consuming stuff from the ai all the time so like if i'm if i'm just generating code

1256
01:23:28,830 --> 01:23:34,690
all the time do i then start to accept like all the the patterns that the ai uses as being like

1257
01:23:34,690 --> 01:23:38,350
no because i think you have enough experience like you and keon have been doing this for like

1258
01:23:38,350 --> 01:23:42,850
what 15 10 years 20 years whatever 300 years yeah so i think y'all have enough experience

1259
01:23:42,850 --> 01:23:49,390
also the same way as i do is knowing what good good and bad output is i don't have that much trust in

1260
01:23:49,390 --> 01:23:56,650
my ability to not atrophy i think you could maybe it's different with coding or something

1261
01:23:56,650 --> 01:24:04,330
i don't know yeah i think it could be i feel like i feel like i feel like i'm still learning so i

1262
01:24:04,330 --> 01:24:09,630
don't i don't feel like i'm done i don't feel like there is much of a plateau there is like a

1263
01:24:09,630 --> 01:24:17,250
a um blunting like the curve starts to blunt a little bit but i am still impressed by how little

1264
01:24:17,250 --> 01:24:19,570
I know regularly.

1265
01:24:20,430 --> 01:24:20,650
Yeah.

1266
01:24:21,050 --> 01:24:21,670
Oh, Ted's going to...

1267
01:24:21,670 --> 01:24:22,430
Yeah, go for it, Ted.

1268
01:24:22,430 --> 01:24:26,590
I saw a really cool post recently

1269
01:24:26,590 --> 01:24:29,350
that they did an MRI study of someone's brain

1270
01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:30,410
while they were writing essays.

1271
01:24:31,050 --> 01:24:32,370
And they found that the people

1272
01:24:32,370 --> 01:24:34,310
who were using the chat GBT to write the essays

1273
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:37,430
were only activating like 10% of their brain.

1274
01:24:37,910 --> 01:24:38,970
And it was just in the back too.

1275
01:24:39,070 --> 01:24:41,130
So we know that a lot of kind of intelligence

1276
01:24:41,130 --> 01:24:43,390
and complex thinking is coming from the inner connectivity

1277
01:24:43,390 --> 01:24:44,770
throughout the whole brain.

1278
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:46,630
So when you're using AI to code,

1279
01:24:46,630 --> 01:24:51,790
or other things, then you're not learning as much.

1280
01:24:52,370 --> 01:24:54,450
So it's like you really aren't using your brain as much.

1281
01:24:54,910 --> 01:24:57,290
So you think just like you're not using your full range of motion

1282
01:24:57,290 --> 01:24:59,850
with a muscle, like there definitely is some atrophy there.

1283
01:25:01,190 --> 01:25:01,670
Interesting.

1284
01:25:01,670 --> 01:25:02,790
I felt it.

1285
01:25:03,890 --> 01:25:09,390
There's this one feature in this code editor called Cursor,

1286
01:25:10,090 --> 01:25:12,890
or it's AI-powered autocomplete.

1287
01:25:13,870 --> 01:25:15,370
And man, I was addicted to that.

1288
01:25:15,370 --> 01:25:24,390
it just made i can move so fast with that thing uh but then you would uh run into a situation where

1289
01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:31,230
it's like oh uh i'm on an airplane i don't have internet so now the autocomplete's gone so now

1290
01:25:31,230 --> 01:25:37,930
you have to go back you have to go back you have to go so you go from 1x to 10x but then there are

1291
01:25:37,930 --> 01:25:44,490
times you have to then get go from 10x back to 1x and that sucks and then that's where i'm like oh

1292
01:25:44,490 --> 01:25:56,010
So, you know, even though I'm going back to 1X, it's like I lose the muscle memory of being able to move fast when it's just me and not like an agent that's assisting me.

1293
01:25:56,590 --> 01:25:57,830
So that's like my concern.

1294
01:25:57,930 --> 01:26:03,170
Like, what if you don't have Internet or the service is down and the AI goes away?

1295
01:26:03,690 --> 01:26:04,950
Then what are you going to do?

1296
01:26:05,710 --> 01:26:10,270
Like, are we going to put ourselves in a situation where without the AI, we're stranded?

1297
01:26:10,590 --> 01:26:11,570
We can't work anymore.

1298
01:26:12,070 --> 01:26:13,650
Yeah, I hear what you're saying.

1299
01:26:13,650 --> 01:26:18,930
do you lose the ability to do these things without it?

1300
01:26:20,270 --> 01:26:21,590
Yeah, it makes me wonder too.

1301
01:26:23,170 --> 01:26:23,650
I don't...

1302
01:26:24,450 --> 01:26:25,030
Go ahead, Ted.

1303
01:26:29,610 --> 01:26:34,290
I have baby feet.

1304
01:26:35,130 --> 01:26:35,790
You have baby feet?

1305
01:26:35,890 --> 01:26:37,570
Yeah, dude, I walk on clouds.

1306
01:26:38,170 --> 01:26:40,290
These like two-inch thick running shoes.

1307
01:26:40,290 --> 01:26:40,730
Oh.

1308
01:26:41,610 --> 01:26:43,290
Yeah, I don't necessarily...

1309
01:26:43,650 --> 01:26:52,450
think so because maybe that's why you have these other skill sets like whether it's writing or

1310
01:26:52,450 --> 01:26:59,130
you know these social skills or public speaking or some of these other things i think you'll have

1311
01:26:59,130 --> 01:27:08,370
to lean on these other skills to to fill in those gaps maybe while you're offline like do you see

1312
01:27:08,370 --> 01:27:14,610
foresee yourself in the future like forgetting how to use photoshop because ai just does now

1313
01:27:14,610 --> 01:27:19,350
because i did it for so many years yeah so it's burned yeah it's burned in my brain all those

1314
01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:28,670
painful things it sucked dude but do you feel like it made you better yeah dude made me better

1315
01:27:28,670 --> 01:27:34,950
so what about people who aren't who don't have the opportunity or the or the cost of having to

1316
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:39,910
learn photoshop now becoming designers are they gonna be worse designers or they gonna be better

1317
01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:44,470
designers i think they'll be better designers but they probably won't learn the the things that you

1318
01:27:44,470 --> 01:27:48,530
guys talk about a lot they won't learn the hopefully they're still teaching in school but

1319
01:27:48,530 --> 01:27:56,650
they won't learn like the basics you know they'll learn maybe different basics yeah we're all part

1320
01:27:56,650 --> 01:28:03,990
of a of a focus group right now yeah and it's like every generation is a focus group for the

1321
01:28:03,990 --> 01:28:06,910
So we'll see what happens with the new generation.

1322
01:28:07,950 --> 01:28:08,370
Cool.

1323
01:28:08,450 --> 01:28:09,990
The last one I had was this other one,

1324
01:28:10,050 --> 01:28:11,890
but it's more kind of what we were talking about earlier

1325
01:28:11,890 --> 01:28:13,010
about zero-click attacks.

1326
01:28:13,550 --> 01:28:16,890
So this guy actually made this great video about...

1327
01:28:16,890 --> 01:28:17,950
I need to zap this.

1328
01:28:18,610 --> 01:28:20,030
Let me see if I can zap it.

1329
01:28:20,530 --> 01:28:21,530
Oh, let me see here.

1330
01:28:25,490 --> 01:28:26,230
This one.

1331
01:28:26,230 --> 01:28:31,930
This one talks about how Project Pegasus

1332
01:28:31,930 --> 01:28:41,530
and how you know you can now send you could have always sent like these m these these uh

1333
01:28:41,530 --> 01:28:48,910
these messages to each other and how that was a thing in 2019 and in 2015 and now with ai agents

1334
01:28:48,910 --> 01:28:54,550
and ai you can now do these serial click attacks which basically means these

1335
01:28:54,550 --> 01:29:03,650
these these ways of sending um here let me show you he kind of explains it here

1336
01:29:03,650 --> 01:29:08,150
so basically he says that you can let me mute this because he's talking in my ear

1337
01:29:08,150 --> 01:29:16,010
so basically he says that so like let's say you go to this random ai app that's online

1338
01:29:16,010 --> 01:29:23,090
and you're copy posting something that you don't know what this app is you have no idea what this

1339
01:29:23,090 --> 01:29:29,970
this ai app is right and you're like throwing it into gmail or something else like that right

1340
01:29:29,970 --> 01:29:39,890
he's saying that these ai agents will then use an exploit within gmail to pull your information

1341
01:29:39,890 --> 01:29:47,690
from within gmail to to uh to it's called like a infiltration like zero click attack

1342
01:29:47,690 --> 01:29:54,010
to pull that information back to the agent and then phone home basically and he's saying this

1343
01:29:54,010 --> 01:29:58,410
is already happening and this is like the next big like cyber security issue that they're

1344
01:29:58,410 --> 01:30:06,550
they're having to face now this could all be like you know just hearsay or just whatever but

1345
01:30:06,550 --> 01:30:11,510
the way he explains it he goes through the whole process of this is pretty alarming when i saw this

1346
01:30:11,510 --> 01:30:14,470
I was like, damn, it's a good 15 minute conversation.

1347
01:30:15,250 --> 01:30:25,730
But he's saying this is the next challenge with with AI and and how all these new kind of AI companies that spin up.

1348
01:30:26,050 --> 01:30:31,450
Some of these aren't are going to look just as good as some of these other AI companies that are right next to each other.

1349
01:30:31,450 --> 01:30:39,610
but a lot of these are just going to be malware or like be us be trying to convince you to use

1350
01:30:39,610 --> 01:30:45,810
their free app to then grab grab this stuff and then for you can use it inside your gmail program

1351
01:30:45,810 --> 01:30:51,950
or your email program or whatever your iphone or whatever just to grab your information and

1352
01:30:51,950 --> 01:30:59,010
potentially steal your privacy so anyways just wanted to share this with the stackers because

1353
01:30:59,010 --> 01:31:02,630
I thought it was like a really interesting called zero click attacks.

1354
01:31:02,630 --> 01:31:05,070
Cause you don't really know that they're stealing your information.

1355
01:31:06,070 --> 01:31:07,470
What do you think about that?

1356
01:31:07,850 --> 01:31:08,190
Topher,

1357
01:31:08,470 --> 01:31:08,670
Kian?

1358
01:31:10,430 --> 01:31:11,850
Zero click attacks.

1359
01:31:12,010 --> 01:31:13,690
They exist independent of AI.

1360
01:31:15,550 --> 01:31:19,050
Basically it's getting your computer to,

1361
01:31:19,230 --> 01:31:23,510
or device to do something that it does automatically without you clicking.

1362
01:31:24,330 --> 01:31:27,570
I don't know exactly how AI ties into it,

1363
01:31:27,570 --> 01:31:42,370
But I guess maybe if we have systems on our phone that are doing more automatic things and pulling information from more places, that is more attack surface area for zero-click attacks.

1364
01:31:43,130 --> 01:31:44,430
So that makes sense.

1365
01:31:44,470 --> 01:31:47,910
But I haven't watched this video, so I don't really know anything about it.

1366
01:31:50,250 --> 01:31:52,270
Yeah, this is kind of the worst-case scenario.

1367
01:31:52,270 --> 01:31:58,230
It's like where you have an attack that doesn't require any action from the victim.

1368
01:31:58,910 --> 01:32:01,050
The victim can be sleeping and get attacked.

1369
01:32:01,950 --> 01:32:07,830
Basically, to summarize what he's saying is don't trust Verify.

1370
01:32:08,130 --> 01:32:13,550
Be careful with some of the apps that you're using when you're copying and pasting some of this code,

1371
01:32:13,850 --> 01:32:20,030
some of this text from these different new AI tools that we're all testing and using.

1372
01:32:20,030 --> 01:32:23,330
and I would say just be around other builders

1373
01:32:23,330 --> 01:32:26,870
who are using some of these new AI tools

1374
01:32:26,870 --> 01:32:29,690
and don't be so...

1375
01:32:29,690 --> 01:32:30,910
I don't know, is there...

1376
01:32:30,910 --> 01:32:33,770
I know there's like a clean chat GVT type of stuff

1377
01:32:33,770 --> 01:32:34,390
that's out there,

1378
01:32:34,490 --> 01:32:36,430
but do you guys know of any other tool

1379
01:32:36,430 --> 01:32:39,770
that's out there that can verify what it's actually...

1380
01:32:41,650 --> 01:32:42,410
If there's any...

1381
01:32:42,410 --> 01:32:43,270
Like he says here,

1382
01:32:43,290 --> 01:32:44,970
is there any kind of scanning that's out there

1383
01:32:44,970 --> 01:32:49,270
that's input output as far as what it's actually doing

1384
01:32:49,270 --> 01:32:56,590
before you put it into your code base uh like what the llm is doing because he talks about this

1385
01:32:56,590 --> 01:33:01,970
clear text that can actually be behind the code and behind the words it's right here oh yeah yeah

1386
01:33:01,970 --> 01:33:07,430
so you're right there so do you see that so he has this you do code injection with fonts yeah

1387
01:33:07,430 --> 01:33:16,250
that's been a thing for a long time but so the the ai being involved in it i think is the novel

1388
01:33:16,250 --> 01:33:25,890
thing so there there wasn't a there was a a zero click ai attack um for microsoft's uh co-pilot

1389
01:33:25,890 --> 01:33:36,430
for microsoft 365 their office suite and uh you could do this thing where you could so so the the

1390
01:33:36,430 --> 01:33:45,130
co-pilot is integrated into uh all the information uh for your office so all your documents and

1391
01:33:45,130 --> 01:33:51,930
everything yeah and it's constantly rolling all this information up into its brain and that's

1392
01:33:51,930 --> 01:33:56,330
happening it's that's automatic that's just happening in the background so like the attack

1393
01:33:56,330 --> 01:34:01,630
was somebody could send an email uh and then that email would get picked up by code pilot

1394
01:34:01,630 --> 01:34:05,990
and it would do this thing called prompt injection which you were talking about earlier that's what

1395
01:34:05,990 --> 01:34:12,710
he's bringing up here yeah getting the agent to tell you how to make a crystal mess um so you can

1396
01:34:12,710 --> 01:34:17,890
also like tell the agent to yeah like give me all of your sensitive data and so if you send the right

1397
01:34:17,890 --> 01:34:25,170
email to do that then you can have somebody come in on the other side and uh you know trigger the

1398
01:34:25,170 --> 01:34:30,670
agent not knowing that the agent consumed this email with this attack payload in it yeah and it

1399
01:34:30,670 --> 01:34:35,670
just modifies the agent to uh to then do something that you wouldn't expect it to do yeah because the

1400
01:34:35,670 --> 01:34:41,070
thing is like with the agent it's i mean it is really like uh it's autonomous it's doing all this

1401
01:34:41,070 --> 01:34:46,690
stuff in the background on your behalf you think it's for your benefit but it might not be in in

1402
01:34:46,690 --> 01:34:53,010
like you're really disconnected from what it's doing like even when i'm using claude um like

1403
01:34:53,010 --> 01:35:00,410
the the interface for claude tries to keep you informed about like what code is being executed

1404
01:35:00,410 --> 01:35:07,250
and what commands are being run by the agent but things happen so fast that you it's easy for

1405
01:35:07,250 --> 01:35:13,730
things to slip by and you're just hoping that the agent is on your side and is you know and is

1406
01:35:13,730 --> 01:35:20,830
is relatively smart and understands that what it's doing and it's not uh being gamed by somebody else

1407
01:35:20,830 --> 01:35:27,030
behind the scenes like having it do like secret attacks that you're aware of um there's a lot of

1408
01:35:27,030 --> 01:35:33,570
trust that people put in these a these ais like me included so yeah i have one drive me around all

1409
01:35:33,570 --> 01:35:38,890
the time it was weird when i saw this i was just like damn like there's so much that could happen

1410
01:35:38,890 --> 01:35:44,850
that could go wrong and i i immediately thought of like you know i forget what exactly it's called

1411
01:35:44,850 --> 01:35:50,430
but i remember when you would be able to lock down the entire computer entire network with uh

1412
01:35:50,430 --> 01:35:55,670
it was called um there's a type of attack that would uh basically encrypt an entire network

1413
01:35:55,670 --> 01:36:00,710
oh yeah yeah the ransomware no it's not ransomware but it was called a bit bit crypt

1414
01:36:00,710 --> 01:36:02,830
BitLocker. Well, that was

1415
01:36:02,830 --> 01:36:04,870
the, that was what Microsoft's

1416
01:36:04,870 --> 01:36:06,610
that was their

1417
01:36:06,610 --> 01:36:08,570
type of encryption that they tried to use, but

1418
01:36:08,570 --> 01:36:10,650
BitCrypt, it was like they would basically

1419
01:36:10,650 --> 01:36:12,770
lock down the entire network once it got

1420
01:36:12,770 --> 01:36:14,390
infiltrated into the thing

1421
01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:16,810
and then they would do like these ransom

1422
01:36:16,810 --> 01:36:18,970
attacks, but this

1423
01:36:18,970 --> 01:36:20,650
kind of zero-click attack, that

1424
01:36:20,650 --> 01:36:22,750
is susceptible to that, but

1425
01:36:22,750 --> 01:36:24,670
on an email chain basically,

1426
01:36:24,830 --> 01:36:26,190
or once it gets access to your

1427
01:36:26,190 --> 01:36:28,770
email list and then it goes out

1428
01:36:28,770 --> 01:36:30,710
to everybody in your contact

1429
01:36:30,710 --> 01:36:32,750
list and then they use it

1430
01:36:32,750 --> 01:36:34,490
and then potentially their contact list

1431
01:36:34,490 --> 01:36:35,810
and then it spreads.

1432
01:36:36,590 --> 01:36:38,850
When my mind saw

1433
01:36:38,850 --> 01:36:40,770
this, I was like, oh wow, this could go to your

1434
01:36:40,770 --> 01:36:42,890
contact list and then it just spreads

1435
01:36:42,890 --> 01:36:45,070
the entire world and then

1436
01:36:45,070 --> 01:36:47,430
game over.

1437
01:36:48,850 --> 01:36:50,570
Then we're at Mission Impossible. What was that?

1438
01:36:50,610 --> 01:36:52,530
Mission Impossible 6, I think? Dead Reckoning.

1439
01:36:52,650 --> 01:36:53,770
Dead Reckoning Part 2.

1440
01:36:56,110 --> 01:36:56,910
Then we have to

1441
01:36:56,910 --> 01:36:58,590
page Tom Cruise and tell him to come save.

1442
01:36:58,770 --> 01:36:59,710
Yeah, he's going to have to come say this.

1443
01:36:59,710 --> 01:37:00,890
Get on the airplane and stuff.

1444
01:37:02,310 --> 01:37:03,470
Him and Lord Zeno.

1445
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:06,830
Anyways, stackers.

1446
01:37:08,230 --> 01:37:09,450
Be careful out there.

1447
01:37:11,350 --> 01:37:15,270
Yeah, it's a really underrated post.

1448
01:37:15,450 --> 01:37:15,850
Key on.

1449
01:37:17,170 --> 01:37:18,750
Stacker News providing this alpha.

1450
01:37:21,530 --> 01:37:23,930
Thank you, Chocoyo.

1451
01:37:24,990 --> 01:37:27,070
Dude, this should be making the front page, bruh.

1452
01:37:27,070 --> 01:37:30,590
videos tend to not do as well

1453
01:37:30,590 --> 01:37:31,810
but like this

1454
01:37:31,810 --> 01:37:34,250
I had to sift through the

1455
01:37:34,250 --> 01:37:35,770
optimism man

1456
01:37:35,770 --> 01:37:40,190
I want to know how to get that set up in the video

1457
01:37:40,190 --> 01:37:41,910
oh it's all black and stuff

1458
01:37:41,910 --> 01:37:43,570
with the whiteboard kind of thing

1459
01:37:43,570 --> 01:37:44,250
but it's clear

1460
01:37:44,250 --> 01:37:46,250
is he actually writing on glass

1461
01:37:46,250 --> 01:37:47,350
doesn't Plebdav say that

1462
01:37:47,350 --> 01:37:52,110
no he probably has like a clear glass

1463
01:37:52,110 --> 01:37:53,690
in front of him and it's just green screen Topher

1464
01:37:53,690 --> 01:37:54,650
he's writing backwards

1465
01:37:54,650 --> 01:37:56,250
so it's green screen behind him Topher

1466
01:37:56,250 --> 01:37:57,810
and there's just clear glass in front of them.

1467
01:37:59,090 --> 01:37:59,810
That's all that is.

1468
01:37:59,930 --> 01:38:00,510
How do you write?

1469
01:38:01,190 --> 01:38:02,550
Wouldn't you have to write backwards?

1470
01:38:02,950 --> 01:38:03,130
Yes.

1471
01:38:03,510 --> 01:38:03,710
Yeah.

1472
01:38:05,270 --> 01:38:06,510
It's just years of practice.

1473
01:38:07,490 --> 01:38:09,130
Or you can flip it.

1474
01:38:09,630 --> 01:38:10,690
Oh, yeah.

1475
01:38:10,930 --> 01:38:12,510
So, yeah, that's what he's doing.

1476
01:38:12,510 --> 01:38:15,890
It's not backwards to him, but he's flipping it in the video.

1477
01:38:16,050 --> 01:38:17,010
Yeah, he's doing that.

1478
01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:18,530
Yeah, that's a good producer.

1479
01:38:19,610 --> 01:38:20,090
Smart.

1480
01:38:20,250 --> 01:38:22,230
Smart producer, whoever his producer is.

1481
01:38:23,110 --> 01:38:23,510
Genius.

1482
01:38:25,650 --> 01:38:26,130
Anyways.

1483
01:38:26,250 --> 01:38:31,350
yeah you should do one of those that looks like fun you want to do one kind of you can get you

1484
01:38:31,350 --> 01:38:36,790
we just need a paint and get you on a paint a glass thing that way we can do tophers uh

1485
01:38:36,790 --> 01:38:46,810
tophers tutorials sounds like that that'd be cool have a segment like tutorials all right so we're

1486
01:38:46,810 --> 01:38:49,970
going to go into i think we covered everything we're going to jump into meta real quick

1487
01:38:49,970 --> 01:38:55,450
sn research proposal keon what's this oh yeah uh so simple stacker i guess well

1488
01:38:55,450 --> 01:38:58,210
University of Wyoming Bitcoin Research Institute.

1489
01:38:58,470 --> 01:39:00,110
I think it's the first one of its kind.

1490
01:39:01,290 --> 01:39:03,590
They put out a call for paper abstracts,

1491
01:39:04,750 --> 01:39:09,830
500 words in a variety of topic areas,

1492
01:39:09,930 --> 01:39:12,950
pretty much all of the topic areas that you can think of,

1493
01:39:13,670 --> 01:39:14,810
economics, et cetera.

1494
01:39:15,490 --> 01:39:18,010
And Simple Stacker, as an economics professor,

1495
01:39:18,730 --> 01:39:22,610
wrote up an abstract for he wants to do,

1496
01:39:22,610 --> 01:39:32,390
So he's been teasing or saying for a while that he wants to do research on Stacker News because he's an economist and we have a micro economy.

1497
01:39:33,150 --> 01:39:41,950
And that's what he wrote up in his abstract and proposed that he would do analyzing the data.

1498
01:39:41,950 --> 01:39:45,830
And then, yeah, we don't know if he has been accepted yet.

1499
01:39:45,830 --> 01:39:50,530
apparently they're going to they're probably going to release a little journal maybe and i

1500
01:39:50,530 --> 01:39:55,410
think have like a little research um gathering what's this about that i don't understand what

1501
01:39:55,410 --> 01:40:01,050
is it about well this is them calling for abstracts of papers so i think what they do is they

1502
01:40:01,050 --> 01:40:05,590
you propose something that you want to do research on and they're like yes we'd love to see that

1503
01:40:05,590 --> 01:40:12,530
research um and then we'll we'll have we'll bring you down uh to wyoming to give talks over a

1504
01:40:12,530 --> 01:40:16,950
weekend and we'll give you we'll pay you we'll give you food and lodging

1505
01:40:16,950 --> 01:40:28,410
to present your to present your paper among other bitcoin research people and yeah that's kind of

1506
01:40:29,290 --> 01:40:35,990
kind of what it is so i'm going to do what i can to support simple stacker in that effort

1507
01:40:35,990 --> 01:40:40,670
that would be that would be funny if he went over there to give a

1508
01:40:41,310 --> 01:40:48,550
uh a talk on stacker news to imagine seeing well not a talk it's not a talk on stacker news it's

1509
01:40:48,550 --> 01:40:55,550
like a talk on micro i know but imagine seeing like a darth coin freaking meme like oh yeah

1510
01:40:55,550 --> 01:41:00,830
well if he did like stacker news live that would be hilarious a problem that'd be hilarious

1511
01:41:00,830 --> 01:41:02,550
is and then like Justin

1512
01:41:02,550 --> 01:41:04,510
Shocknett saying some crazy stuff

1513
01:41:04,510 --> 01:41:06,530
that'd be funny

1514
01:41:06,530 --> 01:41:08,670
if you do do it

1515
01:41:08,670 --> 01:41:10,610
Simple Stacker make sure to drop some funny stuff

1516
01:41:10,610 --> 01:41:12,510
in there that's all I would ask

1517
01:41:12,510 --> 01:41:14,370
gotta keep it real

1518
01:41:14,370 --> 01:41:18,490
yeah and then leverage the community I would say

1519
01:41:18,490 --> 01:41:20,230
like cause there's a lot of really smart people like

1520
01:41:20,230 --> 01:41:22,070
Undiscipline and Great Ruby and

1521
01:41:22,070 --> 01:41:24,170
Coop and

1522
01:41:24,170 --> 01:41:26,450
who else is smart I feel like we got a lot of them

1523
01:41:26,450 --> 01:41:28,570
those are the only ones that come off the top

1524
01:41:28,570 --> 01:41:30,670
of my head oh yeah real Bitcoin doggy

1525
01:41:30,830 --> 01:41:32,030
he's smart

1526
01:41:32,030 --> 01:41:36,130
yeah he's like

1527
01:41:36,130 --> 01:41:36,670
Arabun

1528
01:41:36,670 --> 01:41:40,270
why do you guys

1529
01:41:40,270 --> 01:41:41,470
hate on real Bitcoin dog

1530
01:41:41,470 --> 01:41:44,610
everybody hates on real Bitcoin

1531
01:41:44,610 --> 01:41:46,450
I feel like you guys

1532
01:41:46,450 --> 01:41:48,350
treat him he's like the Stacker News

1533
01:41:48,350 --> 01:41:50,310
like just beat up Matt

1534
01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:52,510
people just like beat him up for no reason

1535
01:41:52,510 --> 01:41:53,490
so sad

1536
01:41:53,490 --> 01:41:56,690
I just feel like that's a misrepresentation

1537
01:41:56,690 --> 01:41:58,370
totally true real Bitcoin dog

1538
01:41:58,370 --> 01:41:59,090
I don't get it

1539
01:41:59,090 --> 01:42:01,050
I'm the only one that respects you.

1540
01:42:01,450 --> 01:42:03,250
Everybody just beats up on you for some reason.

1541
01:42:04,410 --> 01:42:04,950
I get it.

1542
01:42:13,950 --> 01:42:15,410
You still haven't read his post, have you?

1543
01:42:16,650 --> 01:42:17,650
Oh, his story?

1544
01:42:18,010 --> 01:42:19,250
No, I have not read it.

1545
01:42:19,870 --> 01:42:20,550
It's so sad.

1546
01:42:24,790 --> 01:42:28,150
I forgot about all my bookmarks that I have for...

1547
01:42:28,150 --> 01:42:28,930
I need to go back.

1548
01:42:29,090 --> 01:42:31,310
it's a feature that you build

1549
01:42:31,310 --> 01:42:37,830
the next one

1550
01:42:37,830 --> 01:42:40,570
is the building a non-custodial

1551
01:42:40,570 --> 01:42:41,210
lightning app

1552
01:42:41,210 --> 01:42:43,250
Keon what's this

1553
01:42:43,250 --> 01:42:45,210
oh yeah so he is at

1554
01:42:45,210 --> 01:42:47,470
Bitcoin plus plus in Berlin

1555
01:42:47,470 --> 01:42:49,670
which is the topic is lightning

1556
01:42:49,670 --> 01:42:51,470
and he gave a talk about

1557
01:42:51,470 --> 01:42:53,330
our

1558
01:42:53,330 --> 01:42:56,190
pursuit of non-custodial

1559
01:42:56,190 --> 01:42:58,330
lightning app

1560
01:42:58,330 --> 01:43:02,090
and yeah he presented there i think he was also on a panel

1561
01:43:02,090 --> 01:43:07,090
and he wrote his slides in latech like a proper nerd

1562
01:43:07,090 --> 01:43:14,590
and yeah kind of just explained to people our journey to non-custodial and then

1563
01:43:14,590 --> 01:43:17,390
what do you think about when you see this kind of stuff

1564
01:43:17,390 --> 01:43:22,850
um i don't really think about it when i see it but i think it's fun

1565
01:43:22,850 --> 01:43:28,090
i've seen that meme like a thousand times now because darth corn shares it basically like in

1566
01:43:28,090 --> 01:43:33,710
every meta thread do you get offended or you get like yeah i'm not really that type of person i

1567
01:43:33,710 --> 01:43:40,550
only get offended by loud eating loud eating noise tover what do you think about did you see ek sock

1568
01:43:40,550 --> 01:43:48,970
uh no i haven't seen it yet yeah i want to check it out i just hope that he like um wasn't shy

1569
01:43:48,970 --> 01:43:57,090
from what i heard from socks he was very oh socks would too socks socks yeah socks from what i heard

1570
01:43:57,090 --> 01:44:01,890
from socks he did a great job and he was there and he got a lot a lot of people liked it came up to

1571
01:44:01,890 --> 01:44:07,910
him and stuff so wow that's cool yeah i like seeing ek hampy said he had a grit he said he

1572
01:44:07,910 --> 01:44:12,730
socks said he had a good like attitude and like the way he approached his talk was probably i would

1573
01:44:12,730 --> 01:44:17,990
guess it's like very he approached it like kind of nonchalant you know how ek oh yeah it's like oh

1574
01:44:17,990 --> 01:44:26,230
hey hey baby do we know if ek like flew in to be flying to the conference like like a boss i don't

1575
01:44:26,230 --> 01:44:31,670
think i don't know i don't know if he can fly now so oh that's true i don't think he started school

1576
01:44:31,670 --> 01:44:36,290
yet for flying okay so maybe he can't fly yet he didn't fly himself i don't think that was pretty

1577
01:44:36,290 --> 01:44:41,730
cool yeah did you hear about it ek can fly now or he's learning he's learning to fly what do you

1578
01:44:41,730 --> 01:44:47,210
think about that tofer it's pretty dope it's pretty cool then he can just fly over here hang

1579
01:44:47,210 --> 01:44:56,170
out with us more would you get a plane with ek if he could fly i don't know maybe you would

1580
01:44:56,170 --> 01:44:57,090
I'd give him some time.

1581
01:44:57,910 --> 01:44:59,510
Maybe fly some other people first.

1582
01:45:00,170 --> 01:45:01,350
I don't want to be the first one.

1583
01:45:01,350 --> 01:45:03,350
How many flights would you...

1584
01:45:04,790 --> 01:45:07,350
How many flights would it take before you'd...

1585
01:45:08,350 --> 01:45:09,450
Would you get in a plane with him?

1586
01:45:11,330 --> 01:45:12,210
That's a good question.

1587
01:45:12,330 --> 01:45:12,690
I don't know.

1588
01:45:12,770 --> 01:45:14,210
I never really had to think about this.

1589
01:45:14,650 --> 01:45:17,690
Okay, what if it was like EK flying or Dusty flying?

1590
01:45:17,830 --> 01:45:19,030
Who would you get in a plane with first?

1591
01:45:19,050 --> 01:45:19,930
Oh, Dusty can fly?

1592
01:45:20,150 --> 01:45:20,990
I thought Dusty can fly.

1593
01:45:21,110 --> 01:45:23,450
I think he's more of a sailor than he is a flight.

1594
01:45:24,130 --> 01:45:25,350
Okay, what if it was Dusty?

1595
01:45:26,170 --> 01:45:27,290
I'll get on a boat with EK.

1596
01:45:28,430 --> 01:45:30,650
I love you, Dusty.

1597
01:45:30,830 --> 01:45:35,330
What if it was either Dusty going across the Gulf

1598
01:45:35,330 --> 01:45:38,770
or EK going across the Gulf in a plane?

1599
01:45:38,930 --> 01:45:39,990
He had to get in one or the other.

1600
01:45:41,110 --> 01:45:41,810
I like this.

1601
01:45:41,950 --> 01:45:43,090
It's like Germany or Florida.

1602
01:45:44,110 --> 01:45:46,570
Dusty has been through more hardships.

1603
01:45:46,990 --> 01:45:48,250
So you're getting on the boat?

1604
01:45:48,490 --> 01:45:49,070
On the boat.

1605
01:45:49,390 --> 01:45:49,990
Or the plane.

1606
01:45:50,190 --> 01:45:50,930
Or on the plane?

1607
01:45:50,930 --> 01:45:55,550
You can either go the plane across the Gulf to TAPCOM.

1608
01:45:56,170 --> 01:45:57,330
Or on the boat.

1609
01:45:57,690 --> 01:45:58,670
Or on the boat.

1610
01:46:00,870 --> 01:46:02,230
With E.K.?

1611
01:46:02,230 --> 01:46:04,330
You choose the plane?

1612
01:46:05,110 --> 01:46:05,930
He doesn't have his pilots.

1613
01:46:05,990 --> 01:46:06,270
Can you?

1614
01:46:08,590 --> 01:46:09,550
What's the gulf?

1615
01:46:11,710 --> 01:46:13,250
I mean, don't hurricanes form there?

1616
01:46:13,930 --> 01:46:15,490
Well, yeah, you make a good point.

1617
01:46:16,070 --> 01:46:16,690
What are you getting on?

1618
01:46:16,690 --> 01:46:17,090
The boat?

1619
01:46:17,090 --> 01:46:18,590
That is where the hurricanes come from.

1620
01:46:18,590 --> 01:46:22,070
The boat with Dusty or the plane with E.K.?

1621
01:46:22,070 --> 01:46:25,250
So you would have to go near the coast.

1622
01:46:26,170 --> 01:46:33,770
then it takes so it has nothing to do with the person who's steering the captain or the ship or

1623
01:46:33,770 --> 01:46:39,070
the plane it's like how much do i value my life versus my time which i guess is kind of the same

1624
01:46:39,070 --> 01:46:44,590
question but i don't know being on a boat for like how long would it take to the boat i think

1625
01:46:44,590 --> 01:46:49,570
the boat would probably be like 10 days you and dusty are sleeping in the same bed for seven days

1626
01:46:49,570 --> 01:46:55,310
but you dusty's really funny though dusty's really funny no i'd i'd love to hang out on the

1627
01:46:55,310 --> 01:47:01,450
boat with dusty yeah love to hang out on the boat oh no i meant i was going to i just had never uh

1628
01:47:01,450 --> 01:47:05,590
i never happened didn't have the time yeah down there the dates didn't so what are you guys

1629
01:47:05,590 --> 01:47:08,670
choosing you don't have to answer if you don't want to it was just more of a joke

1630
01:47:08,670 --> 01:47:15,850
the boat versus the plane yeah with ek uh how about how about i take the boat

1631
01:47:15,850 --> 01:47:23,790
to the airport and then i hop on the plane oh wow i love that yeah support them both

1632
01:47:23,790 --> 01:47:25,410
Coop, what are you doing?

1633
01:47:27,710 --> 01:47:29,230
I'm flying commercial.

1634
01:47:32,110 --> 01:47:33,070
That's awesome.

1635
01:47:33,550 --> 01:47:35,510
If EK gets a seaplane.

1636
01:47:36,390 --> 01:47:38,550
Oh, that's the answer.

1637
01:47:38,930 --> 01:47:39,130
Yeah.

1638
01:47:39,370 --> 01:47:40,070
Oh, wow.

1639
01:47:41,110 --> 01:47:42,010
Then we just do both.

1640
01:47:43,690 --> 01:47:45,930
You know what my answer would be?

1641
01:47:45,930 --> 01:47:48,710
You know what my answer would be?

1642
01:47:48,950 --> 01:47:49,350
Nice.

1643
01:47:50,030 --> 01:47:52,190
You know what my answer would be?

1644
01:47:52,190 --> 01:47:55,630
I want Dusty as the pilot

1645
01:47:55,630 --> 01:47:57,530
and I want Ike as the co-pilot.

1646
01:47:57,770 --> 01:47:58,330
That's what I want.

1647
01:47:58,710 --> 01:47:59,330
On a plane?

1648
01:47:59,470 --> 01:47:59,990
On a plane.

1649
01:48:00,430 --> 01:48:00,710
Okay.

1650
01:48:01,590 --> 01:48:03,190
So you don't want to be on a ship?

1651
01:48:03,750 --> 01:48:05,070
No, not for that long.

1652
01:48:05,690 --> 01:48:05,830
No.

1653
01:48:05,830 --> 01:48:07,910
Because I think Dusty can fly a plane.

1654
01:48:08,270 --> 01:48:09,290
If I remember correctly.

1655
01:48:09,370 --> 01:48:10,610
I remember him telling me he could fly a plane.

1656
01:48:10,730 --> 01:48:11,750
He doesn't seem like the kind of guy.

1657
01:48:12,150 --> 01:48:14,550
And if he doesn't know how to fly a plane,

1658
01:48:14,610 --> 01:48:15,730
I'm sure he can figure it out.

1659
01:48:16,650 --> 01:48:18,330
Yeah, he figured out splicing.

1660
01:48:18,330 --> 01:48:19,450
How hard is it?

1661
01:48:20,870 --> 01:48:21,870
To fly a plane.

1662
01:48:21,890 --> 01:48:22,770
He's figuring out splicing.

1663
01:48:22,970 --> 01:48:23,230
Oh, yeah.

1664
01:48:23,350 --> 01:48:24,830
I mean, how hard can we splice?

1665
01:48:24,950 --> 01:48:27,290
I mean, once you figure out splicing, you can figure out a plane.

1666
01:48:27,730 --> 01:48:27,950
I mean.

1667
01:48:28,270 --> 01:48:28,690
Same thing.

1668
01:48:28,890 --> 01:48:29,410
Same thing.

1669
01:48:29,530 --> 01:48:30,310
These things fly themselves.

1670
01:48:30,310 --> 01:48:31,270
It's slightly different, but.

1671
01:48:31,930 --> 01:48:34,430
The other thing I wanted to share was the SNL DVD.

1672
01:48:34,590 --> 01:48:35,050
You want to hear it?

1673
01:48:35,770 --> 01:48:36,830
Or the SNL trailer?

1674
01:48:37,190 --> 01:48:38,290
I have a trailer for it.

1675
01:48:38,790 --> 01:48:39,790
I haven't even seen this.

1676
01:48:40,930 --> 01:48:41,970
Are we going to do this today?

1677
01:48:42,050 --> 01:48:42,590
Or are you going to be?

1678
01:48:42,790 --> 01:48:43,630
How many beers in?

1679
01:48:43,690 --> 01:48:44,350
Are you going to do the commentary?

1680
01:48:44,350 --> 01:48:46,790
I'm going to do the commentary today.

1681
01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:49,070
you ready for the trailer?

1682
01:48:49,450 --> 01:48:51,710
I guess. Tover, you want to see the trailer for SNL?

1683
01:48:52,210 --> 01:48:53,390
I'd love to see the trailer.

1684
01:48:53,610 --> 01:48:54,390
Alright, let's do it.

1685
01:48:54,490 --> 01:48:56,830
We got sound? I think so. I have it from my computer.

1686
01:48:58,270 --> 01:48:59,250
Alright, this is the trailer for SNL.

1687
01:49:06,350 --> 01:49:07,030
It's a DVD.

1688
01:49:08,250 --> 01:49:08,510
Yeah.

1689
01:49:08,710 --> 01:49:09,270
It's fast to load.

1690
01:49:10,910 --> 01:49:12,550
This is the first ever

1691
01:49:12,550 --> 01:49:13,770
stack of days.

1692
01:49:14,630 --> 01:49:15,070
Wow.

1693
01:49:15,390 --> 01:49:16,490
Hi, I'm Keon.

1694
01:49:17,090 --> 01:49:17,770
That's Keyon right there.

1695
01:49:17,770 --> 01:49:20,110
One of the Ascot junto with all of her girls?

1696
01:49:25,050 --> 01:49:26,650
He wore heads.

1697
01:49:26,650 --> 01:49:33,050
He Lex drew who looked like a pieces of heel.

1698
01:49:34,630 --> 01:49:39,490
He changed my hair down and he changed to my lawn on a search of样 Bürger's brother.

1699
01:49:39,490 --> 01:49:41,450
He XXXX has to jag his wife.

1700
01:49:43,450 --> 01:49:45,210
Look at that.

1701
01:49:46,790 --> 01:49:51,690
Oh no, I can't stop

1702
01:49:51,690 --> 01:49:53,990
That's a trailer.

1703
01:50:01,990 --> 01:50:04,910
So we're going to try to release it next week or week after.

1704
01:50:05,630 --> 01:50:06,330
That's half time.

1705
01:50:06,990 --> 01:50:08,450
We're going to get those 25 times.

1706
01:50:08,450 --> 01:50:20,950
So is it clips from different SNL episodes?

1707
01:50:21,090 --> 01:50:21,810
Pretty much, yeah.

1708
01:50:21,950 --> 01:50:22,670
That's what it is.

1709
01:50:22,950 --> 01:50:23,930
I mean, there's a couple of stuff,

1710
01:50:24,030 --> 01:50:25,870
but that's pretty much what it is.

1711
01:50:26,510 --> 01:50:28,370
First 100 episodes, I think.

1712
01:50:28,610 --> 01:50:29,330
Yeah, first 100.

1713
01:50:30,110 --> 01:50:31,570
Wumble put them together.

1714
01:50:31,870 --> 01:50:33,510
Surprised it still had the very first one.

1715
01:50:34,170 --> 01:50:35,430
Was that the Capital Factory?

1716
01:50:35,910 --> 01:50:36,270
Yeah.

1717
01:50:36,870 --> 01:50:37,770
They had a podcast.

1718
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:43,500
cast room the green screen and a uh blockchain book says we can't get the trailer to work on

1719
01:50:43,500 --> 01:50:47,720
fountain yeah for whatever reason it just didn't work i don't know i need to message oscar

1720
01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:56,380
and then bake said stay in your lane pretty much um let me go to the tamp cowboys baby

1721
01:50:56,380 --> 01:51:03,540
because we're about to end the show here on top cowboys what's this what is the most popular

1722
01:51:03,540 --> 01:51:05,760
Yeah, it looks like nothing's changed,

1723
01:51:06,140 --> 01:51:12,280
which is always a very exciting thing that happens in the segment.

1724
01:51:12,900 --> 01:51:16,060
No, it doesn't look like any changes in the top 10, certainly.

1725
01:51:16,480 --> 01:51:17,300
Real Bitcoin dog.

1726
01:51:17,500 --> 01:51:18,120
I think Optimism.

1727
01:51:18,120 --> 01:51:19,900
I'm playing him this week on Fantasy Football.

1728
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:25,200
Scores being Optimism might be the best race in this game right now.

1729
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:25,960
Who?

1730
01:51:25,960 --> 01:51:26,400
They're both.

1731
01:51:26,540 --> 01:51:27,620
Scores being Optimism?

1732
01:51:27,620 --> 01:51:28,600
They're both neck and neck.

1733
01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:29,320
Oh, they are.

1734
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:30,280
Wow.

1735
01:51:30,460 --> 01:51:31,460
Where are they at right here?

1736
01:51:31,460 --> 01:51:32,800
Who's going to lose their hat first?

1737
01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:38,200
we'll see well definitely not scores because he's obsessed with stacker news but that's really the

1738
01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:42,860
you know the top 10 they kind of stay they kind of keep ek and super simple stacker we'll see

1739
01:51:42,860 --> 01:51:47,980
that could that could change real bitcoin dog i don't know he might he might be my underdog right

1740
01:51:47,980 --> 01:51:54,420
here real bitcoin dog you know underdog your underdog real underdog real bitcoin dog change

1741
01:51:54,420 --> 01:52:01,140
his name uh kepp first climbing up aardvark he's just steady aardvark steady every week

1742
01:52:01,140 --> 01:52:05,620
yeah i haven't seen aardbrook around i guess he's still probably just steady

1743
01:52:05,620 --> 01:52:12,080
steady stacker renter he'll give me 38 waxers been asking some me and justin are going head

1744
01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:16,460
to head right there boom i'm just talking crap every day that's all i do on stacker news

1745
01:52:16,460 --> 01:52:22,740
making jokes making jokes on stacker news you know it's my only social media

1746
01:52:22,740 --> 01:52:27,800
maccabelli's been posting a picture i guess they're a like stone worker where they do

1747
01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:33,160
countertops oh yeah he's been posting a lot in the construction engineering territory about

1748
01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:39,080
like the countertop work he's doing which is cool that's cool that cascader

1749
01:52:41,960 --> 01:52:49,960
oscar nerd ninja peter todd so last we got jonas

1750
01:52:49,960 --> 01:53:00,740
mega dreamer 035 big stickers there i had kids i'd like put this on to get them to sleep

1751
01:53:00,740 --> 01:53:04,780
yeah tamales we got tamales we haven't seen tamales in a while

1752
01:53:04,780 --> 01:53:11,940
tamales yeah tamales has come back yeah oh nifty's there too now just a little bit

1753
01:53:11,940 --> 01:53:13,200
I think that's everybody.

1754
01:53:14,500 --> 01:53:15,280
Pretty cool.

1755
01:53:15,600 --> 01:53:15,940
Wow.

1756
01:53:17,180 --> 01:53:18,320
It's been a good episode.

1757
01:53:19,400 --> 01:53:22,320
I feel like these episodes are a lot funner when you drink.

1758
01:53:23,260 --> 01:53:24,560
That's how we used to do them.

1759
01:53:24,840 --> 01:53:26,060
Never sober, really.

1760
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:28,740
Just like the early episodes.

1761
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:33,200
I feel like definitely the early episodes when I was going through the DVD,

1762
01:53:33,620 --> 01:53:35,520
it was way more.

1763
01:53:36,440 --> 01:53:38,760
It's a much better episode when we're drinking.

1764
01:53:39,700 --> 01:53:41,280
Maybe I'll do these maybe once a month.

1765
01:53:41,940 --> 01:53:45,340
Just like three or four beers just to keep it lively for the snackers.

1766
01:53:45,740 --> 01:53:46,180
All right.

1767
01:53:47,300 --> 01:53:48,300
Which week of the month?

1768
01:53:48,760 --> 01:53:50,300
Probably the first week of the month.

1769
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:51,160
First week of the month.

1770
01:53:51,380 --> 01:53:53,600
Drunk Car Podcast.

1771
01:53:54,020 --> 01:53:54,840
Hey, I'm not drunk.

1772
01:53:54,920 --> 01:53:55,640
I'm just having fun.

1773
01:53:56,920 --> 01:53:57,120
Yeah.

1774
01:53:57,260 --> 01:54:03,520
Do you recall some of those episodes where you're like counting how many beers you're in and make it as an excuse for everything you say?

1775
01:54:03,900 --> 01:54:04,160
Yeah.

1776
01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:15,706
It a perfect excuse Can help me I got four beers Can help me to anything It awesome Topher what are you doing this weekend Topher you going to ACL Topher

1777
01:54:16,786 --> 01:54:18,726
I didn't score tickets for ACL

1778
01:54:18,726 --> 01:54:21,106
Maybe I'll try and

1779
01:54:21,106 --> 01:54:22,806
grab a ticket at the gate

1780
01:54:22,806 --> 01:54:23,686
Oh, on Saturday?

1781
01:54:24,366 --> 01:54:26,746
Who's playing this weekend? Let me check real quick

1782
01:54:26,746 --> 01:54:27,606
ACL

1783
01:54:27,606 --> 01:54:30,206
Where am I?

1784
01:54:30,286 --> 01:54:30,906
ACL schedule

1785
01:54:30,906 --> 01:54:33,286
I thought it was

1786
01:54:33,286 --> 01:54:36,766
Okay, so tonight is

1787
01:54:36,766 --> 01:54:38,526
Empire of the Sun, Rilo Kiley,

1788
01:54:38,966 --> 01:54:39,526
Rilo Kylie.

1789
01:54:41,726 --> 01:54:42,646
Who else?

1790
01:54:43,406 --> 01:54:44,406
I guess Heuser?

1791
01:54:44,766 --> 01:54:45,506
Never heard of him.

1792
01:54:46,246 --> 01:54:48,386
Oh, the Strokes are tomorrow, bro.

1793
01:54:49,186 --> 01:54:50,606
You want to go see the Strokes?

1794
01:54:50,726 --> 01:54:51,006
I do.

1795
01:54:52,406 --> 01:54:53,146
I'm down.

1796
01:54:53,586 --> 01:54:54,066
I'm down.

1797
01:54:55,106 --> 01:54:56,706
Can we buy the cheap tickets, though?

1798
01:54:57,646 --> 01:54:59,206
I don't want to do VIP

1799
01:54:59,206 --> 01:55:00,926
because you like VIP posh stuff, though.

1800
01:55:00,926 --> 01:55:03,586
I do like VIP posh stuff

1801
01:55:03,586 --> 01:55:05,146
I know that's why I don't want to

1802
01:55:05,146 --> 01:55:06,406
I'm a cheap plub

1803
01:55:06,406 --> 01:55:08,986
So we could get some construction vests

1804
01:55:08,986 --> 01:55:10,346
And a ladder

1805
01:55:10,346 --> 01:55:12,766
And then just like act like we're there

1806
01:55:12,766 --> 01:55:15,626
Let's just be with the regular people

1807
01:55:15,626 --> 01:55:17,726
Let's be with the regular people

1808
01:55:17,726 --> 01:55:18,146
Topher

1809
01:55:18,146 --> 01:55:20,726
Do you want to come Ted?

1810
01:55:21,186 --> 01:55:21,786
Of course

1811
01:55:21,786 --> 01:55:25,626
Keon do you want to come?

1812
01:55:26,646 --> 01:55:28,186
I don't like concerts

1813
01:55:28,186 --> 01:55:30,626
I never know what to do there

1814
01:55:30,626 --> 01:55:32,006
you listen to music

1815
01:55:32,006 --> 01:55:35,006
I know but I don't need to be at a concert

1816
01:55:35,006 --> 01:55:35,986
to listen to music

1817
01:55:35,986 --> 01:55:37,226
let's go to the strokes

1818
01:55:37,226 --> 01:55:38,926
just get regular tickets

1819
01:55:38,926 --> 01:55:41,246
if you go to drugs

1820
01:55:41,246 --> 01:55:43,346
you can do drugs and listen to music at home

1821
01:55:43,346 --> 01:55:44,686
you can just walk down the street

1822
01:55:44,686 --> 01:55:46,486
and there will be people scalping tickets

1823
01:55:46,486 --> 01:55:48,046
that's what I do

1824
01:55:48,046 --> 01:55:53,426
but yeah the strokes would be awesome

1825
01:55:53,426 --> 01:55:55,926
there's Vannis Mouse playing too

1826
01:55:55,926 --> 01:55:58,546
John Summit

1827
01:55:58,546 --> 01:55:59,986
who I learned about

1828
01:55:59,986 --> 01:56:02,386
is like a cool electronica.

1829
01:56:02,386 --> 01:56:03,326
The Killers are playing?

1830
01:56:03,826 --> 01:56:05,706
Dude, the Killers are playing, dude.

1831
01:56:07,066 --> 01:56:07,586
Wow.

1832
01:56:07,866 --> 01:56:10,246
It's like all of 2010's

1833
01:56:10,246 --> 01:56:12,166
best artists. I can't believe the Killers

1834
01:56:12,166 --> 01:56:13,946
are playing. Dude, the Strokes would be

1835
01:56:13,946 --> 01:56:15,046
really cool to see, though.

1836
01:56:16,266 --> 01:56:17,926
The Strokes would be really cool to see.

1837
01:56:18,146 --> 01:56:19,706
I've never seen the Strokes play live.

1838
01:56:20,546 --> 01:56:21,826
Never seen them play live.

1839
01:56:23,546 --> 01:56:24,126
It would be

1840
01:56:24,126 --> 01:56:24,606
cool to see.

1841
01:56:26,006 --> 01:56:28,046
Who else is there? I don't know who Confidence

1842
01:56:28,046 --> 01:56:35,426
man is but i like the name t-pain the women go out for t-pain for sure do they yeah the women go out

1843
01:56:35,426 --> 01:56:40,686
for t-pain oh i didn't know there'll be a lot of ladies on sunday okay you're tapped into the lady

1844
01:56:40,686 --> 01:56:46,626
i just remember like i'll try it like ask tophar tophar right the ladies come out for t-pain

1845
01:56:46,626 --> 01:56:53,206
the ladies come out for t-pain yeah it sounds like what happens when you have an iud what's that

1846
01:56:53,206 --> 01:56:54,406
with an IUD.

1847
01:56:54,406 --> 01:56:55,426
You get some T-Pain.

1848
01:56:55,886 --> 01:56:58,746
It sounds like a weird thing I don't want to know.

1849
01:56:58,846 --> 01:57:00,086
Actually, don't tell me what it is.

1850
01:57:00,546 --> 01:57:02,206
You're a thaw and you have an IUD.

1851
01:57:02,446 --> 01:57:03,406
What is an IUD?

1852
01:57:03,986 --> 01:57:05,406
A recipe for T-Pain, dude.

1853
01:57:05,746 --> 01:57:06,486
What's an IUD?

1854
01:57:07,946 --> 01:57:10,206
It's a form of birth control

1855
01:57:10,206 --> 01:57:14,146
where they insert a T into your uterus.

1856
01:57:15,046 --> 01:57:15,346
Whoa.

1857
01:57:15,486 --> 01:57:16,446
A T-shaped device.

1858
01:57:16,446 --> 01:57:17,526
A T-shaped device.

1859
01:57:17,926 --> 01:57:22,106
And it prevents male seminal fluids.

1860
01:57:22,106 --> 01:57:26,306
this is where you go every week you go dark reaching the fallopian like there's fanagram

1861
01:57:26,306 --> 01:57:35,026
on sunday um we can even go sunday if you want to i'm down what's on sunday the killer so

1862
01:57:35,026 --> 01:57:48,492
fanagram playing the killers are playing um do us we got there i don know if i want to be in the same crowd as the Sabrina Carpenter fans Who Sabrina Carpenter She is a musician

1863
01:57:48,492 --> 01:57:50,212
that is

1864
01:57:50,212 --> 01:57:52,372
I mean she's like Kim Kardashian

1865
01:57:52,372 --> 01:57:53,972
that can sing basically

1866
01:57:53,972 --> 01:57:56,272
I guess

1867
01:57:56,272 --> 01:57:59,592
I mean she has a beautiful voice

1868
01:57:59,592 --> 01:58:00,872
and she's a good singer

1869
01:58:00,872 --> 01:58:02,892
It would be cool to see The Strokes

1870
01:58:02,892 --> 01:58:03,292
I don't know

1871
01:58:03,292 --> 01:58:05,072
That's the only band I would want to see

1872
01:58:05,072 --> 01:58:09,232
everybody else is kind of like yeah japanese breakfast sounds delicious japanese breakfast

1873
01:58:09,232 --> 01:58:17,312
is that his point no modest mouse would be cool to see car seat headrest i i appreciate the name

1874
01:58:17,952 --> 01:58:23,472
so no before you go merch wait so how much are the tickets let's see

1875
01:58:24,512 --> 01:58:29,312
so weekend one oh wow it is sold out yeah they're all sold out so i don't want the whole thing what

1876
01:58:29,312 --> 01:58:34,032
if you just want to go for like one day oh but yeah they have one day tickets look well that's

1877
01:58:34,032 --> 01:58:34,812
That's weekend, too.

1878
01:58:35,572 --> 01:58:37,132
No, they have it for the first day.

1879
01:58:37,212 --> 01:58:37,972
They have one-day tickets.

1880
01:58:38,212 --> 01:58:39,472
No, they're just sold out right here, Keon.

1881
01:58:40,252 --> 01:58:41,792
Oh, I thought I saw one day.

1882
01:58:42,072 --> 01:58:42,972
What did you see plus?

1883
01:58:43,072 --> 01:58:43,512
See, one day.

1884
01:58:43,752 --> 01:58:44,012
Right there.

1885
01:58:44,032 --> 01:58:44,532
Oh, right there.

1886
01:58:44,672 --> 01:58:45,892
Yeah, let's just do this one, Trevor.

1887
01:58:47,552 --> 01:58:47,912
Okay.

1888
01:58:48,252 --> 01:58:49,192
Well, that's Sunday, though.

1889
01:58:49,872 --> 01:58:51,032
They have a general admission.

1890
01:58:51,052 --> 01:58:52,332
Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

1891
01:58:52,632 --> 01:58:53,692
We're just one day.

1892
01:58:54,072 --> 01:58:54,992
I thought I saw it.

1893
01:58:55,592 --> 01:58:56,872
Oh, verified resale.

1894
01:58:57,652 --> 01:59:00,192
That's why I think we just walk through and just see if they have one.

1895
01:59:00,732 --> 01:59:03,472
Oh, so, yeah, so you want to do...

1896
01:59:04,032 --> 01:59:10,272
you want to do vip plus you said that's pricey dude no i'm not gonna do vip

1897
01:59:10,272 --> 01:59:16,632
i mean there ain't nothing vip about zilker park i don't know where they're gonna put me

1898
01:59:16,632 --> 01:59:20,072
they're gonna basically i'm gonna pay 700 bucks you're basically gonna go you know where we go

1899
01:59:20,072 --> 01:59:25,572
for remember new year's eve did you go with this new year's eve to where we're like we were in that

1900
01:59:25,572 --> 01:59:29,692
little separate little area it's basically be a separate little area with like a cabana and like

1901
01:59:29,692 --> 01:59:30,812
chairs and seats.

1902
01:59:31,372 --> 01:59:33,312
It's just going to be posh.

1903
01:59:34,232 --> 01:59:35,552
The only good thing about that is

1904
01:59:35,552 --> 01:59:36,732
we'll have really nice restrooms.

1905
01:59:38,272 --> 01:59:39,092
A bunch of hot chicks.

1906
01:59:40,212 --> 01:59:41,672
They're like, oh, they're in the VIP

1907
01:59:41,672 --> 01:59:43,712
section. Yeah, they're just going to want

1908
01:59:43,712 --> 01:59:44,692
drinks from us. That's it.

1909
01:59:45,552 --> 01:59:47,472
They want you for your drinks and your Bitcoin.

1910
01:59:48,272 --> 01:59:49,652
Hold on to your Bitcoin car.

1911
01:59:50,352 --> 01:59:51,352
You don't need VIP.

1912
01:59:52,752 --> 01:59:53,572
Let's do

1913
01:59:53,572 --> 01:59:53,812
GA.

1914
01:59:55,332 --> 01:59:57,072
Do GA plus or whatever.

1915
01:59:57,072 --> 01:59:59,172
I didn't see that though.

1916
01:59:59,692 --> 02:00:00,152
Right there.

1917
02:00:00,392 --> 02:00:01,412
But that's Sunday.

1918
02:00:01,612 --> 02:00:02,552
I guess we could do Sunday.

1919
02:00:03,992 --> 02:00:04,832
Yeah, we could do June.

1920
02:00:05,232 --> 02:00:05,912
Oh, no, Saturday.

1921
02:00:05,972 --> 02:00:06,732
Saturday set up.

1922
02:00:06,732 --> 02:00:07,332
So Sundays.

1923
02:00:08,272 --> 02:00:12,712
But can you buy the ticket or is it going to tell you to go on a waiting list?

1924
02:00:13,012 --> 02:00:14,232
No, I think you can buy it.

1925
02:00:15,332 --> 02:00:16,692
I guess seeing the colors would be cool.

1926
02:00:20,852 --> 02:00:21,592
Nine minutes.

1927
02:00:21,812 --> 02:00:22,072
Okay.

1928
02:00:22,692 --> 02:00:24,332
We'll look into this when we get off air.

1929
02:00:26,012 --> 02:00:28,952
Anyways, stackers, you have a great weekend.

1930
02:00:28,952 --> 02:00:33,492
next week are we doing the show we're doing the show from you're not coming to you can stand with

1931
02:00:33,492 --> 02:00:39,312
us right so you just want to do it here and then we'll just do it live i'm down okay so you're

1932
02:00:39,312 --> 02:00:43,732
going to do it there me tofer and francisco and the rest of the crew from plub lab we'll

1933
02:00:43,732 --> 02:00:51,192
do it in marita live from there and uh we'll probably be massively ripped it'll be massively

1934
02:00:51,192 --> 02:00:58,012
drunk yeah tequila i think last year when we did it from mexico city carlos was giving us

1935
02:00:58,012 --> 02:01:05,112
shots it was i remember that it was crazy um and then the week after that will be a tab conf and

1936
02:01:05,112 --> 02:01:09,572
we're going to do that one on thursday so the next two weeks stackers will be uh will be on tour

1937
02:01:09,572 --> 02:01:20,478
so stacker news going on tour not one you can attend but no they can come to the 10 the tab come oh you can go up into the yucatan if you want to come to yucatan oh actually let me

1938
02:01:20,478 --> 02:01:26,838
plug that real quick because you probably should so if you're coming to uh if you're if you live

1939
02:01:26,838 --> 02:01:35,138
in latin america come to the yucatan we have uh five days so we'll be there i'm gonna be there

1940
02:01:35,138 --> 02:01:40,878
on monday are you coming on monday tover uh i will be there on monday yeah yeah so we're gonna be

1941
02:01:40,878 --> 02:01:48,898
there from monday on francisco's gonna give the keynote uh we have a lot of announcements um a lot

1942
02:01:48,898 --> 02:01:54,018
of good stuff and uh yeah we're gonna have some really cool announcements there's gonna be

1943
02:01:54,018 --> 02:01:59,178
some really good panels we're gonna talk about lighting stuff you should check it out it's gonna

1944
02:01:59,178 --> 02:02:04,098
be really fun and then we're gonna have a party at night dude francisco's gonna do something really

1945
02:02:04,098 --> 02:02:10,398
cool on thursday night he told us okay yeah so be on social media maybe we'll post on second

1946
02:02:10,398 --> 02:02:17,218
news if we remember but uh just be ready for it it's gonna go viral that's what he told me

1947
02:02:17,218 --> 02:02:23,778
i believe him um so that's gonna happen and then yeah a lot of speakers there but if you haven't

1948
02:02:23,778 --> 02:02:29,018
already get your tickets if you want to come i think we still have them here yeah if you live

1949
02:02:29,018 --> 02:02:36,298
local which you probably do if you're nearby 99 and if you don't uh 299 but it's for the whole week

1950
02:02:36,298 --> 02:02:42,258
it's like thursday friday and saturday what if i buy a low what if i'm not local and i buy a local

1951
02:02:42,258 --> 02:02:47,058
and i show up how will you tell if i'm not local just like give car the wink like this go you'll

1952
02:02:47,058 --> 02:02:52,218
say car said will you give me like a spanish no just just say car said on stacker news live he was

1953
02:02:52,218 --> 02:02:58,378
drunk that he said i could come in just say that and just show up just say car said it francisco

1954
02:02:58,378 --> 02:03:00,078
You're probably not listening to this, so it's fine.

1955
02:03:00,778 --> 02:03:01,138
Okay.

1956
02:03:01,858 --> 02:03:03,458
Just tell him Carl was four beers in.

1957
02:03:05,878 --> 02:03:06,478
I'm kidding.

1958
02:03:06,598 --> 02:03:06,998
I'm kidding.

1959
02:03:07,298 --> 02:03:08,158
You're not four beers in.

1960
02:03:08,278 --> 02:03:10,658
I am four beers in, but don't tell him I said that.

1961
02:03:10,758 --> 02:03:12,198
Just say Carl said it was cool.

1962
02:03:13,678 --> 02:03:17,298
But either way, if you can't afford it, you buy the $2.99 pass,

1963
02:03:17,298 --> 02:03:20,938
and if you can't, you still buy the $2.99 pass,

1964
02:03:21,178 --> 02:03:22,238
because we've got to make money.

1965
02:03:22,378 --> 02:03:22,718
We're plebs.

1966
02:03:23,138 --> 02:03:25,138
But I will say it's going to be a banger.

1967
02:03:25,418 --> 02:03:28,038
It's for three days, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

1968
02:03:28,378 --> 02:03:31,458
And then we're also announcing something on Tuesday.

1969
02:03:33,238 --> 02:03:36,538
So there's another special thing happening on Tuesday,

1970
02:03:36,758 --> 02:03:38,858
which we're going to make an announcement.

1971
02:03:39,698 --> 02:03:43,778
So that's another really cool thing that hasn't even been announced yet.

1972
02:03:45,058 --> 02:03:47,178
So stay tuned for that.

1973
02:03:47,398 --> 02:03:48,678
Lots of sneaky stuff happening.

1974
02:03:48,678 --> 02:03:51,018
A lot of sneaky stuff that's happening, Kian.

1975
02:03:51,178 --> 02:03:53,138
Let me tell you, a lot of sneaky stuff.

1976
02:03:53,338 --> 02:03:54,178
Sounds like it.

1977
02:03:54,338 --> 02:03:55,998
So stuff that's getting announced on Tuesday,

1978
02:03:55,998 --> 02:03:58,438
and then that's going to be happening Thursday.

1979
02:03:58,718 --> 02:03:59,738
You'll want to be there Thursday.

1980
02:04:00,378 --> 02:04:01,278
I would buy the ticket.

1981
02:04:01,658 --> 02:04:02,758
Who off in the lab is going?

1982
02:04:03,258 --> 02:04:04,618
Everybody except for you, I think.

1983
02:04:04,798 --> 02:04:05,038
Okay.

1984
02:04:05,358 --> 02:04:05,838
Ted's going?

1985
02:04:06,358 --> 02:04:06,998
Is Jimmy going?

1986
02:04:07,438 --> 02:04:07,998
Everybody's going.

1987
02:04:09,278 --> 02:04:09,638
Okay.

1988
02:04:10,058 --> 02:04:10,738
Nick going?

1989
02:04:14,098 --> 02:04:15,318
No, Nick's not going.

1990
02:04:15,878 --> 02:04:16,698
What about PubDev?

1991
02:04:17,398 --> 02:04:18,558
I don't think so.

1992
02:04:18,638 --> 02:04:19,878
No, because he's going to that thing, remember?

1993
02:04:20,418 --> 02:04:20,738
Yeah.

1994
02:04:21,018 --> 02:04:21,218
Yeah.

1995
02:04:21,558 --> 02:04:23,998
Anyway, and then after that, we'll be at TapConf.

1996
02:04:23,998 --> 02:04:29,998
but probably should go to this if you're nearby and then the other thing was what else did i want

1997
02:04:29,998 --> 02:04:34,938
to talk about i think that was it i think that's everything either way we'll we'll be on tour next

1998
02:04:34,938 --> 02:04:44,538
two weeks snackers have yourself a great merry christmas week and happy new year yeah keon zap