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Live from Fled Lab in Austin, Texas, this is Stacker News Live!

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hello ladies and gentlemen we'll go back to another exciting episode of stacker news live

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my name is car with my bff keyon keyon how was your week hi my week was good um yep things were

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were happening many things i just put a new piece of nicotine gum in i'm ready to go

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this weekend. How about you, Carr?

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You're ready to go, you said.

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That's right.

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Why did you say you're ready to go?

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Why did you say you're ready to go?

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What?

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Why did you say you're ready to go?

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Because we're about to do a podcast.

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And so I wanted to indicate to both you

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and anyone who hasn't already stopped watching

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because of how poor this first segment went

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that I'm ready for it.

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I'm prepared.

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See, you're supposed to keep stalling until...

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I'm not a professional podcaster,

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so I don't know how this works.

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See, I'm always doing this in the beginning,

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and then you're supposed to keep stalling

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just long enough to when I look up,

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and then I do this,

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and then you say,

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how's your week, Carr?

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And then I go,

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it's fantastic, Keon.

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We're doing all this amazing stuff this week,

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and then we talk.

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I didn't realize this is a problem.

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performance review that's how that that's how that goes this is a performance review for

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for my boss that's funny uh no it's been good dude i feel like i've been on a media blitz this week

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you've been on a what a media blitz this week a media what a media blitz oh uh i was on bitcoin

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news on monday i was on green candle on monday then i was uh we had an early days episode that

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got released we'll talk about later then uh we just did a lightning lounge with lightning ventures

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um and then that just happened here on friday and what else happened why are you on a media

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bullets are you promoting we're promoting we're promoting startup day uh yucatan that's happening

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in the meridia meridia meridia where's that that's in the yucatan but where's the yucatan

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like what part of mexico mexico mexico i know apparently it's like right next to the water

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okay but it's all next to water

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except the part that isn't

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let's google it let's see if we can find it

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the Yucatan is I believe

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eastern Mexico

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yeah it's right here look

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there it goes it's all this

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yeah so it's Cancun

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so we're over here Austin

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we're gonna go

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right here

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you guys should have called it

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startup day

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Cancun

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yeah i don't know if anybody would have showed up for that they've been like these guys just

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want to go party no but that's exactly why people show that's why people go to conferences i don't

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know if you've been to them but no it's a start start at yucatan um and it's gonna be in meridia

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which is this one right here and then we're gonna go to the beach progresso but yeah it's gonna take

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place here there's gonna be pyramids when is it okay october well it's coming up soon it's very

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soon yeah me and francisco are freaking out a little bit yeah if you head over to let me see

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if i can go there you can go to startup is it startup day yeah it's startup day if you go here

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to startup day and to the uh this website if you go here boom 40 days left wow that's so soon how

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much are you charging people uh we're not charging that much actually compared to other conferences

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we're not charging that much so let me see yeah it's 2.99 and then it's 1.99 if you're a local so

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not that much okay it's pretty good i think it's pretty good look we even have uh i saw the video

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yeah look at that it's right there it's pretty cool what are you excited like what are you

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excited about with um the conference like i'm excited because uh we got uh we got some we got

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francisco doing the keynote we have uh we have runster doing uh doing the closing presentation

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that's gonna be awesome we got jippy with some announcement cascaded we're gonna have some more

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announcements we got the musman showing up we got topher scott we got katie we got quentin there

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we got we got so many people wesley i mean we're gonna be adding more it's gonna be awesome okay

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you're still booking speakers we're still booking everything you should even have places that uh

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accept bitcoin there too look at that oh cool you guys did that do they i think they're gonna be i

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don't know if i can say this yet but i think they're gonna be taking um something related to

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something that's getting announced there i can't say that was completely unhelpful um

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i can't announce it i want to ruin somebody's announcement surprised uh did you guys invite

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max to speak like how did he even think about that i don't know why why francisco wouldn't have

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i mean i'm sure i don't know i don't know maybe he spent a lot of time in mexico we got sacker

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news as a sponsor look at that oh we got we got report indigo they're a they're a media we got

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Bitcoin News, Bitcoin Beach.

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Look at that.

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Yopaki, Green Candle.

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That's the whole thing, Keon.

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You're invited, too, if you want to come speak.

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But I know you don't leave your office.

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Oh, I mean, I don't know what's going on in October.

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Maybe I'll come.

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I told Francisco.

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Oh, really?

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We'll see.

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I don't know.

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Dang, dude.

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That'd be awesome if you come.

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Yeah, I have to kind of figure out my life.

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But, yeah.

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I mean, dude, that would be big if you come.

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I never invite you anymore because you're always like, eh.

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I like, but I like getting invited.

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So if you don't mind me saying no to things, please invite me to things.

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I love saying no.

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I love being invited.

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I don't enjoy saying no.

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I'm formally inviting you to come speak and present at the Yucatan.

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I probably won't go, but thanks.

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We'll see.

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I wouldn't want to speak.

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If you've never seen this crazy show before called Stacker News Live,

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We cover the top front page of Bitcoin every week on snacker.news.

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We got Wumble doing all the clips.

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He's going through our old clips because we're going to be doing a DVD release by TabConf is what we agreed on.

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We're going to do the first 100 episodes.

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It's going to be a DVD release.

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So he's going through all our old videos and he's clipping them and we're going to make a montage.

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I mean, why don't we just go real like real odd and go like mini disc?

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We don't do a DVD.

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we do it many days he did ask he's like are you sure you want to do a dvd release sounds like yeah

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i think it's cool uh we'll have a digital release i'm sure too but like i don't know i think a dvd

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release makes sense um and then uh yeah yeah so you're gonna see some old clips show up um you'll

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see them and then yeah check it out hit subscribe do all that kind of stuff how's our david bailey

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podcast a clip doing is it oh i invited him to the conference by the way oh did he say what did

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he said he never responded back oh hey man i kept my i kept my word okay well um it's doing pretty

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good um let's jump into the top five stories of the week the number five top story of the week

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is home bitcoin mining the real solar boom and national security this is from what is that broccoli

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broccoli 11 comments 11 700 sets broccoli for your glasses again yeah it's too cold

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too too cool is that what that says that's what that says it's like a a really poor spelling of

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too cool oh cool yeah um i don't know exactly who this was intended for i think they they

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mentioned me in another place where they were planning on sending it to friends

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but it seemed like it was sort of like it concludes by uh saying that government should

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support uh bitcoin mining by like having tax incentives such that uh we get more bitcoin

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they get more bitcoin miners because it helps with um decentralizing the grid uh and like building up

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a like a resilient um energy grid also helping with like green energy basically like incentivize

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their citizens to kind of provide their own power for themselves say that again you said government

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should tax Bitcoin miners?

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No, should give Bitcoin miners tax incentives.

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Oh, okay.

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They were to do that in Texas, don't they?

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I actually don't know.

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But that's kind of how this concludes.

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the diversity of energy sources

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that Bitcoin miners use

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and how it is often a very,

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like a green-seeking power consumer

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and how Bitcoin miners are an alternative to batteries

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and how bad batteries are for the environment.

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It comes at it from sort of an energy resilience perspective

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and an environmental perspective.

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And then I think it is a pretty...

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I didn't even consider that if I were like a small country or even a state that I could, that I might have like self-interest in convincing my citizenry to Bitcoin mine more.

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That it might serve me as a politician or a person who cares about my country or state to mine more.

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And I thought it was a pretty well laid out argument.

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And it has lots of citations so that, you know, there's not just making stuff up.

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It seemed like they were prepared to really share this

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with maybe a local council person or something.

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I thought it was awesome.

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This is actually, I don't want to dox the person,

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but this is a stacker who we've covered

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who writes on stacker news occasionally.

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Oh, cool.

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Sounds great.

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One of the top comments that we got from Hasher Stacker said,

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Solo Miner found a block.

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Better check if it was my bid-axe.

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cool i really got nothing to say okay yeah check it out stackers if you want to know

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more information about uh home bitcoin mining the real solar boom and national security

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um yeah also i parker i was i ran into parker this afternoon he he's doing a lot of he's doing

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a bitcoin um mining podcast so definitely check that out oh he started one or he's he's been

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doing one and oh he was telling me about it today so what's it called um parker lewis bitcoin mining

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podcast i think really that's like what you'd name it if you just check it out it's on tftc

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on a show like this i mean it's parker lewis of bitcoin money he knows it really well so just

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check it out it's on tftc so oh okay so it's maybe squirties we can drop it and you have to

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see turn it into a production company like that like a like a podcast network i don't know but

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if it's parker talking about mining it's going to be good so yeah i like listening to parker

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but check it out um yeah if you're interested in all that stuff the kind of like a sailor

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where i feel like it's easy easy listening you know definitely the next top story is do you see

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this in your country grocery stores price items to confuse shoppers this is um signal 312 27

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having comments 1752 sats kia we just lost the two remaining listeners that we have

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why is there so much ground beef

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a lot of ground beef dude it is a lot of ground look ted look at this ground beef dude why is

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Damn, that's a lot of ground beef.

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Oh, is that what that says?

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What does Molita mean?

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Undisciplined.

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If you're listening to this, what does Molita mean?

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Gardening.

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That means meat.

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Molita.

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Meat grounded.

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What do you mean?

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I don't know what you're doing.

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the show well like are you not entertained i'm just kidding dude 42 for a 10 pound ground beef

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i'm not paying those prices all right go for it kian i'm sorry okay yeah so uh signal 312 i guess

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went to our local walmart and noticed that this is walmart this is at walmart this is why you have

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quantities have you never bought a round of beef i would never buy ground beef from walmart shame

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where do you buy ground beef from i wouldn't buy from walmart

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oh um would you yeah why not ted would you buy a ground beef from walmart

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well where what's wrong with walmart's ground beef uh everything

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jump on the jump on the mic ted jump on the mic please thank you

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i'll just talk about a steak in general which is um i used to get steak from walmart or sam and

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everything else and then i went to the other store now they're very biased because this is a butcher

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who you know like they're trying to sell me a more expensive cut a steak so you know considering

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that he said basically everything that you would not want to eat like all the bad things you've

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heard about factory farming obviously is delivered to walmart like walmart is the worst the worst in

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terms of most mass production, eating corn instead of grass that screws up the digestive

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system.

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It's coming from overseas.

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It's coming from Brazil and other places versus locally.

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And they're all doing this for economies of scale and everything else.

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It's the worst of the worst.

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It's the worst of the worst, exactly.

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Yeah, but not necessarily the worst of the worst in terms of your health, unless you

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believe that factory farming equates to poor health for you.

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Well, I believe that their cost, like they're trying to optimize for cost.

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Yes.

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So, which is dangerous.

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Kind of believe that that probably is like, I just sort of believe that that's not always in line with, you know, what's most healthy when it comes to things like corn.

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Like I don't really mind GMO because it's bigger.

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And like, I don't think that it's always at odds, but it seems to me like it can't always be aligned.

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the cost optimization and the health optimization.

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Okay. No, that makes a lot of sense.

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Incentives might be especially misaligned somewhere like Walmart.

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And that's the basis of making that decision rather than you once found a

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children's shoe and a thing of ground beef you got from Walmart.

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No, but one time I bit into a burger and there was a sharp metal screw in my

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burger.

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I believe it.

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Yeah. I bit into it.

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I believe it.

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I was fine.

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What about, what do you think about HEB?

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because you haven't been here that long in in texas we have them in colorado oh you do what do

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you think about h-e-b great i think h-e-b is great i think their food is great but i don't really know

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you know you just go in you kind of trust is the problem with all the institutions breaking down

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is that we're like losing our ability to trust that if i go in the store and has xyz certification

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well now i'm like those are all bullshit they're probably probably even worse just because it has

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the certification from what johnny tells me johnny tells me that h-e-b's legit from what johnny

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tells me i trust johnny yeah i trust johnny too i'd rather buy it from johnny's shop though from

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what he tells me so be nice if us as consumers didn't have to go through all this work to like

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verify like i can't be a food expert and also a self-defense expert and also a you know legal

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expert i can't be all these things we kind of have to because of the boomers oh it's the boomers

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I mean is it not the boomers fault

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it's ever I mean I mean tell it tell it Ted

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I mean tell it tell it Ted I wouldn't

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blame it on the boomers I mean who else fault

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is it who else fault is it I think

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it's part it's just a

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natural like emergent complexity

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or emergent thing that happens

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in societies that they rise and they

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become more complex and then they kind of

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simplify when they're more complex you can

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rely on the institutions and then on the

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opposite you become more automatized

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you take more responsibility on your

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self so it's not really i think the boomers kind of rode that last tail end yeah they benefited

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yeah i don't think they rode it they're still on it yeah they're they're up there but they're

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kind of like they're over the cliff and still running like that uh no they're not getting off

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that cliff they're they're well they're well positioned to stay on that cliff well yeah but

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bitcoin just deleted the ground well we'll see i think they're coming down are they i mean jimmy

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seems to think that the dollar is going to stay around.

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I don't think the dollar is going to last.

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I think all that stuff is going to come down.

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You think the dollar will stay around?

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Save it.

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Okay.

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Strong dollar, strong boomer.

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That's what we're thinking.

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At least in our lifetimes.

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Yeah.

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Strong boomer, strong dollar.

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Okay, so maybe strong dollar, strong boomer,

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strong Bitcoin, strong lower generation class.

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Strong money, strong men, strong men, strong society.

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Or strong men to topple society.

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Yeah.

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Sounds good to me.

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All right, what's this post about, Keon?

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Jesus.

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I feel like I'm in like, I don't know, like a car daydream right now, where it's just like we're going from one thing to another.

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Got to keep the show interesting.

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Oh, yeah.

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So Signal 312 goes to their local Walmart and looks at the ground beef and is sort of upset by how the unit price differing between like a higher quantity roll of ground beef versus a lower quantity roll of ground beef.

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doesn't match.

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And so on the lower quantity roll of ground beef,

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the five pounds, they see $4.99 per pound.

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But when they go to the 10-pound roll,

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the unit price is in ounces for some reason,

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which is not helpful to anyone.

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You would think that if Walmart cared about informing you

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about prices, they would try to communicate to you

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in the most effective way,

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which in this case is probably the per pound price.

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That's the price that I personally remember

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what I'm trying to buy meat for cheap is like, how is this fluctuating over time? Is it on sale?

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Whatever. So for some reason they're like obscuring it, the price of the 10 pound roll with the per

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ounce price, which might be just like a programmatic thing that they're messing up or they're

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trying to figure something out. But they say they see that over and over again.

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They're doing two different things. Yeah. Where there's just like first, for whatever reason,

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the unit price is messed up or like not confusing it or at the very low it's like not even consistent

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you'd expect it to be consistent so there's something that's causing them to be inconsistent

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and maybe walmart has some logic where it's like if something is priced over this you price it

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per the smaller unit or if i i don't know i don't know what the reason behind it but they say

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it also occurs in eggs if you go to eggs you'll pay sometimes see the unit price is per egg and

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and sometimes it's per dozen.

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But they kind of hint it.

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Maybe it's the wholesale price, maybe?

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Maybe that's because it's based on their palette, maybe?

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Like how much they're buying it for?

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Yeah, maybe if you have a very large quantity item,

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like a 10-pound roll,

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they think that people want to see the per ounce.

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And that's like...

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Well, maybe it's based off of what their unit cost is, maybe,

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in their system.

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Maybe that's how they think of it.

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Maybe for the five-pound roll,

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they pay something that isn't per ounce?

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Yeah, maybe they're paying.

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I mean, I don't know.

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I'm guessing.

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That's a fair estimation.

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Maybe they're just passing on the same unit price

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that they're paying per pound.

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I don't know.

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No, that could be it.

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I suspect there's something like that

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where I don't see a reason why they do this intentionally.

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Yeah, I don't think they're trying to be nefarious or anything.

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They're too busy for that.

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Yeah, I don't even...

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I mean, it could be something.

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It's definitely confusing.

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I mean, even on Amazon when I buy stuff, I get kind of upset.

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Yeah, I definitely think they're just too busy for that.

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I think it more has to do with just their ordering system.

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Yeah.

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Anyway.

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It's all just automated.

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So Signal asks other stackers if they see this themselves.

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Yeah, what did they say?

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Yes, some people do see it,

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mostly because of the difference between American units

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and European ones.

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And then Optimism says that when they were in Europe,

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it's a lot easier because everything is just base 10,

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which is nice.

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I always forget how many ounces there are in a pound, for instance.

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I mean, I know like at HEB,

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you can literally just go up to the meat department

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and just ask them.

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I've done that before, like at the deli.

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We're all asking between the prices after I taste the meat.

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That's why I love HEB.

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Oh, they let you taste meat?

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Yeah, dude.

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You never do that?

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Can you take them a ribeye?

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Do you go to H-E-B?

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Or which one do you go to?

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Or you go to Central.

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You look like a Whole Foods, dude.

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You go to Whole Foods, don't you?

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I think I'm closest to Whole Foods.

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But I have gone to H-E-B.

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Yeah, I like going to H-E-B because you can talk to people and taste the food.

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You can taste a ribeye, though?

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You can take a ribeye?

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No, no.

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But you can go to the deli section when you're buying deli and cheese and stuff.

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And then you can taste the meat.

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And then you can ask them about the prices and stuff.

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h-e-b's beef though i find not great relative oh you mean like the actual oh you mean like the raw

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meat and stuff yeah if i'm buying raw meat which is usually the main thing i go to the grocery

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store i mean i mainly do tacos anyway so i usually just use it i don't really make steaks

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you know what i mean yeah what do you put in your talk i'm more of a taco guy yeah but what do you

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put it you have meat in your tacos right yeah i use beef stew meat for tacos okay that you sue

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yourself for you no no there's this thing called like beef stew meat and that's what i use for

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tacos and then i just like dice it up and then that's what i use for tacos oh you can buy it

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from them already cooked and you buy no no it's called like you got h-e-b it's called beef stew

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meat and it's raw so you cook it's raw so you cook and then i dice it up even more to like make

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some really good tacos okay so you're getting you're buying like a chuck roast which is cut up

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into beef cube into stew beef stew cubes or no it's like on the package it says like beef stew

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meat i know but that cut of beef that they're turning into beef stew meat is usually like oh

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is it yeah it has like a it's a particular part of the cow that has a name so oftentimes it's um

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yeah it's like a chuck roast or some other kind of roast like a london broil usually leaner meat

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anyway yeah it's good okay um yeah usually do that or i get some like chicken dice it up

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okay well getting hungry just thinking about it yeah what's this what does this mean

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i don't know but it looks like arnold is that arnold schorzenegger it is wow i never saw him

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with that haircut is this running man arnold schorzenegger i don't know it's definitely a

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younger Arnold than today for sure.

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Anyways,

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good post. Got me thinking.

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The next one is

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Tether fun, unbelievable details part

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dress dress.

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Yeah, dress. This is from

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scores be 14 comments, 12,000 sets.

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What this camp Yeah so scores be assuming the series on Tether kind of covering them from their inception all the way until this most recent post which ends roughly I think around 2021

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But this is roughly the period from 2016 to, I think, late 2020, early 2021.

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A lot of this period of time is like the last bull market, or the bull market before last, like the 2017 run-up.

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A lot of it is dedicated to a chapter in Tether's history where they are struggling to find banking partners.

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and in this case they end up using one banking partner that has like a bunch of sub-entities but

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mostly goes by a crypto capital corporation uh and it turns you know long story short

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crypto capital corporation is sort of a fraud um tether doesn't have any contracts with them but

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they are banking through them, giving them their customers fiat. Tether and Bitfinex are banking

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through them and giving them their customers fiat, expecting their customers to be able to take out

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withdrawals and put in deposits to get Tether and exchange money in and out. Eventually, what ends

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up happening is the crypto capital corporation, they end up getting their assets frozen, I

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believe, first in Portugal, but then in a bunch of other countries where they also stored

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money under different entity names.

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And then Tether tries to get their money back, struggles to get their money back, doesn't

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And really, it turns out that the people that they were banking with were not honest and ended up stealing a lot of it.

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One of the main characters ended up getting, I think in Poland, ended up getting imprisoned for basically stealing like $800 million from Finax and Tether.

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I don't know what ended up happening to the money, if they got it back or whatever.

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Anyway, this is all the detail of that, if you're into those kinds of things.

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But apparently during this period of time, it was very hard for crypto companies to have any kind of legitimate bank account.

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And so it sounds like what a lot of them did was outsource to entities like this.

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Most of us have heard of Brock Pierce.

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And he was, I think, somewhat of a banking partner involved in Tether around this period of time.

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although it doesn't seem to have gotten caught up in this kind of stuff.

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But if you were tethered during this period of time or any sort of exchange,

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you probably had trouble getting U.S. bank accounts.

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And so you'd end up sort of outsourcing to like a payment processor like Entity,

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like Crypto Capital Corporation.

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And they would set up, they would create companies in other countries or states

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and then create bank accounts

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and then would sort of abstract that

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into being your payment processor.

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And so if any one of those kind of banks got shut

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or those accounts got shut down,

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they could still process your payments.

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That's what it roughly sounds like

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is like there is some like shell game going on

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to kind of hide that an exchange

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was using US bank accounts.

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And then eventually those countries

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or the United States get wise to basically being a Tether bank account

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and they freeze funds or shut them down or whatever.

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And that's this kind of saga.

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But you can see the juxtaposition between Tether informing their customers

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that they have all the funds, they're all there, they're backed,

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they're fully secured,

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and transcripts that have been released

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of Tether and Bitfinex executives

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asking Crypto Capital Corporation

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for their money back

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because they really need it

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because they can't get money to their customers.

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It seems like there was a bit of a crunch

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on Tether and Bitfinex during this period of time

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where it seemed like they,

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as a result of this banking freezing failure type of thing,

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this robbery, that they might have gone out of business.

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But they somehow recovered from it.

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And part of that was, I think, Tether loaned Bitfinex money.

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Yeah, Tether made a loan, like a $700 million loan to Bitfinex.

468
00:29:55,196 --> 00:30:05,256
you know whether that was whether that was those tethers were printed being backed by something is

469
00:30:05,256 --> 00:30:11,416
you know not something i think anyone definitively knows although uh you know fudsters would say

470
00:30:11,416 --> 00:30:16,276
that uh it wasn't on those weren't those tethers weren't backed

471
00:30:16,276 --> 00:30:24,576
anyway there's a bunch of detail in here that i'm struggling to cover uh but scores we did a great

472
00:30:24,576 --> 00:30:30,176
job of covering it all i'm looking forward to like where we like as we get closer to the modern day

473
00:30:30,176 --> 00:30:36,416
but i didn't miss a lot of the detail even to the modern day yet no no wow well i mean this is like

474
00:30:36,416 --> 00:30:43,696
a decade tether's been around for over a decade so a rough i think maybe exactly roughly exactly a

475
00:30:43,696 --> 00:30:53,216
decade but they it looks like it was you know a hard if we consider tether as as winning today

476
00:30:53,216 --> 00:30:58,736
and being free and clear it was it was a hard thought win

477
00:30:58,736 --> 00:31:05,996
what would you say you've like learned from all this just like reading through because you've

478
00:31:05,996 --> 00:31:10,196
probably read all this right like what did you say what would you say you've learned reading

479
00:31:10,196 --> 00:31:13,656
through all this because i haven't read this one i read the first one really thoroughly

480
00:31:13,656 --> 00:31:19,396
and it read like a novel yeah i didn't read i read the second one a little bit and then

481
00:31:19,396 --> 00:31:22,936
And it was just like, yeah, it was like the creature from Jack Weiland.

482
00:31:23,376 --> 00:31:26,936
I didn't read this one at all because I was just like, okay, I can't do this anymore.

483
00:31:27,196 --> 00:31:29,836
I'm just, my cup is full on this kind of stuff.

484
00:31:29,896 --> 00:31:33,256
After a while, the darkness just gets too overwhelming for me and I need light.

485
00:31:33,916 --> 00:31:34,336
I see.

486
00:31:35,536 --> 00:31:36,936
Yeah, because I'm, yeah.

487
00:31:37,656 --> 00:31:37,956
Yeah.

488
00:31:38,216 --> 00:31:38,876
My cup is full.

489
00:31:38,876 --> 00:31:43,996
But for you, you like this kind of stuff because you're.

490
00:31:44,176 --> 00:31:45,076
Because my cup is empty.

491
00:31:45,076 --> 00:31:50,496
um no it's just like you you you're you're the type of person that can can go in that and like

492
00:31:50,496 --> 00:31:55,016
can come out the other side and still be like oh hey car what's going on like like nothing

493
00:31:55,016 --> 00:32:00,296
i didn't see this as that well my i didn't even see this as that dark it did it did read like a

494
00:32:00,296 --> 00:32:05,316
thriller like a yeah like a con like a con man kind of thriller because especially on the part

495
00:32:05,316 --> 00:32:11,596
of their banking partners who were like lying to them about what was going on um my general

496
00:32:11,596 --> 00:32:21,116
my general takeaway from all three parts so far is mostly how hard it is to be to be a bitcoin

497
00:32:21,116 --> 00:32:25,876
company innovating so it's really you know if like you come if you're a bitcoin company is just doing

498
00:32:25,876 --> 00:32:30,796
what everyone else has done and just like fought and like like a tether of the world has already

499
00:32:30,796 --> 00:32:37,336
laid out the path the pathway for you to getting there um it's pretty easy but if you're the first

500
00:32:37,336 --> 00:32:43,516
stablecoin how this this these are the details of how how much crap you have to go through

501
00:32:43,516 --> 00:32:48,556
and you know me and you know it seems like possibly even tether wasn't being honest at

502
00:32:48,556 --> 00:32:53,016
points like that's how hard it was for them is that they they maybe had to end up sort of

503
00:32:53,016 --> 00:32:59,376
fudging or misleading you know sort of misleading misrepresenting things i don't know exactly no

504
00:32:59,376 --> 00:33:03,816
one really knows but um but what but like i guess the question i have for you then like

505
00:33:03,816 --> 00:33:12,576
why would you do that for fiat though for fiat what do you mean what do you mean for fiat because

506
00:33:12,576 --> 00:33:18,516
you just said it right now like you're trying to be the first stable coin yeah i get i sense that

507
00:33:18,516 --> 00:33:24,516
they thought it was good for it was i think they have a there's a lot of in here there's a lot of

508
00:33:24,516 --> 00:33:31,316
conversations with um giancarlo who uh transcripts from conversations with her and he's talking about

509
00:33:31,316 --> 00:33:37,516
the effect that Tether having problems or Bitfinex having problems will have on the entire crypto

510
00:33:37,516 --> 00:33:48,036
industry. So I think Tether's view is that they are assisting the whole crypto economy.

511
00:33:48,536 --> 00:33:55,676
They are a key player propping it up, helping it move along. And it shows in a lot of their actions

512
00:33:55,676 --> 00:34:04,636
how supportive they seem to generally be of the broader ecosystem, especially Bitcoin stuff

513
00:34:04,636 --> 00:34:11,176
and other privacy stuff. They're almost like siphoning money out of the fiat system and trying

514
00:34:11,176 --> 00:34:21,596
to put in... Either they're guilt-washing the profits back into Bitcoin or it's just a side

515
00:34:21,596 --> 00:34:29,756
effect or like a hobby i don't know um so i mean is it fair to say that that they wanted to be the

516
00:34:29,756 --> 00:34:37,816
the money printer for the crypto industry i think they just saw an opportunity for like a probably

517
00:34:37,816 --> 00:34:41,956
like a problem that a lot of their customers had where they couldn't get access to u.s dollars but

518
00:34:41,956 --> 00:34:47,036
wanted them and they found a way that they could provide them to those customers and then they ran

519
00:34:47,036 --> 00:34:53,476
with it and it just kind of you know snowballed into being what it is it's just like the product

520
00:34:53,476 --> 00:35:00,076
market fit was insane and they just kind of followed it along they went along for the ride

521
00:35:00,076 --> 00:35:05,176
yeah so it just kind of goes back to my original when we covered this the first time was just like

522
00:35:05,176 --> 00:35:13,876
it just it feels like a modern day um era federal reserve like a version of it i guess like a new

523
00:35:13,876 --> 00:35:19,596
version of the federal reserve it's more to me the federal reserve is like two there's too many

524
00:35:19,596 --> 00:35:27,276
layers there it's more like a jp morgany type of story like uh you know a private bank a massive

525
00:35:27,276 --> 00:35:34,876
private bank emerging in the modern era facility around crypto and bitcoin facilitated by new

526
00:35:34,876 --> 00:35:41,456
technologies that the old banking system would not adopt that's kind of what it seems like yeah

527
00:35:41,456 --> 00:35:42,756
interesting

528
00:35:42,756 --> 00:35:45,516
yeah they're definitely going to write a

529
00:35:45,516 --> 00:35:47,256
they're definitely going to what?

530
00:35:47,456 --> 00:35:49,376
they're definitely going to make a Netflix movie out of this

531
00:35:49,376 --> 00:35:51,176
they're going to come to Snacker News

532
00:35:51,176 --> 00:35:53,436
and they're going to interview Scoresby

533
00:35:53,436 --> 00:35:55,416
I'm sad there's no one

534
00:35:55,416 --> 00:35:57,176
who's been sharing any of this stuff

535
00:35:57,176 --> 00:35:58,916
oh dude they can't dude

536
00:35:58,916 --> 00:36:00,976
oh but I bet you

537
00:36:00,976 --> 00:36:02,856
I don't know if you still run analytics on

538
00:36:02,856 --> 00:36:04,976
Snacker News or whatever

539
00:36:04,976 --> 00:36:06,856
and you could see how many views

540
00:36:06,856 --> 00:36:08,216
this particular post has gotten

541
00:36:08,216 --> 00:36:11,256
but I would imagine

542
00:36:11,256 --> 00:36:16,136
it's probably gotten a lot of views no we've been watching it they haven't been that's the thing is

543
00:36:16,136 --> 00:36:20,216
like stackers have been looking at them a lot but we haven't seen them get shared very widely

544
00:36:20,216 --> 00:36:24,016
um yeah because this is the thing that you're not supposed to talk about key on maybe just

545
00:36:24,016 --> 00:36:29,436
i think maybe it's just like the information is too intense and it is sort of hard to look at

546
00:36:29,436 --> 00:36:33,756
because it's like looking in the mirror and and you realize you're not supposed to gain a lot of

547
00:36:33,756 --> 00:36:37,976
weight or something you're not supposed to talk about this this is the stuff that like in the

548
00:36:37,976 --> 00:36:40,296
Bitcoin space, you're not supposed to talk about a few things.

549
00:36:40,416 --> 00:36:41,276
And this is one of them.

550
00:36:42,116 --> 00:36:45,516
It's like, you can talk about it at meetups.

551
00:36:46,136 --> 00:36:48,316
It's really the thing that you're supposed to be like.

552
00:36:48,636 --> 00:36:50,036
It's like, you know, you have a family.

553
00:36:50,676 --> 00:36:53,156
And you know, you have those deep, dark secrets in your family.

554
00:36:53,716 --> 00:36:56,736
And it's the stuff that maybe you and your sister talk about,

555
00:36:56,876 --> 00:36:58,556
but you don't talk about it with the rest of your family.

556
00:36:59,256 --> 00:37:00,976
Or maybe you and your younger brother talk about,

557
00:37:01,056 --> 00:37:01,616
but you don't talk about it.

558
00:37:01,616 --> 00:37:01,936
You know what I mean?

559
00:37:01,976 --> 00:37:03,496
It's like kind of one of those things where like,

560
00:37:04,156 --> 00:37:05,676
you don't talk about it with the rest of your family.

561
00:37:05,756 --> 00:37:07,636
You talk about it with maybe like a couple of your siblings.

562
00:37:07,636 --> 00:37:11,636
it's like one of those things like you don't talk about it with the whole why wouldn't you why don't

563
00:37:11,636 --> 00:37:15,916
you talk about it it's like one of those it's like one of those like family secrets no but i get it

564
00:37:15,916 --> 00:37:20,716
but like in this i'm getting more back to more of the concrete thing of tether why don't why wouldn't

565
00:37:20,716 --> 00:37:24,696
i tell this to another bitcoin or like what's the reason for the person who doesn't want to tell us

566
00:37:24,696 --> 00:37:29,216
to another bitcoin i think it's just kind of what we just talked about earlier like it's like uh

567
00:37:29,216 --> 00:37:34,236
what kind of like what you said it's it's one of those things that's a very kind of uh

568
00:37:34,236 --> 00:37:46,376
you know it drums up a lot of possibly finger pointing things there's just a lot of things

569
00:37:46,376 --> 00:37:52,816
there that could you know possibly get certain people and a lot of I don't want to say these

570
00:37:52,816 --> 00:37:55,796
words because I don't want I don't want to be that guy that people are like oh did you hear

571
00:37:55,796 --> 00:38:00,196
what car said on saccharine's live can you believe he said that I don't want to be that guy Keon

572
00:38:00,196 --> 00:38:04,876
quit making me be that guy i don't want to be that guy oh so you're so you're the guy who's not

573
00:38:04,876 --> 00:38:10,156
talking about it now are you playing that guy no i don't want to be that guy i don't want to be that

574
00:38:10,156 --> 00:38:17,636
guy that's that says can you believe car said that on stacker news live about that because i

575
00:38:17,636 --> 00:38:22,976
don't want to be that guy like let the thing speak for itself but this is why people don't talk about

576
00:38:22,976 --> 00:38:26,916
this stuff is because you're not supposed to talk about it you're not supposed to give bitcoin

577
00:38:26,916 --> 00:38:31,016
negative press you're not supposed to talk about this stuff you're not supposed to give the ecosystem

578
00:38:31,016 --> 00:38:34,336
you can talk about it if you want to go on the record talking about this stuff well i've already

579
00:38:34,336 --> 00:38:39,196
been talking about it i just don't even understand this no i'm getting upset because like you're

580
00:38:39,196 --> 00:38:42,476
trying to get me to say something that's salacious and i'm telling you like i don't want to talk

581
00:38:42,476 --> 00:38:45,416
about it because this is the stuff that you're not supposed to talk about it's i'm trying to

582
00:38:45,416 --> 00:38:52,996
giving you kind of giving you like a a thing that's very similar in a family like when you're

583
00:38:52,996 --> 00:38:56,536
in a family you're there's certain things that you're not supposed to talk about because it's

584
00:38:56,536 --> 00:39:01,876
like a deep family secret do you know what that is of course okay this is one of those things in

585
00:39:01,876 --> 00:39:07,296
bitcoin you're not supposed to talk about yeah but it's i just don't understand like in a in a

586
00:39:07,296 --> 00:39:12,496
family you don't talk about those things because you don't um you don't want to like maybe hurt

587
00:39:12,496 --> 00:39:21,636
someone's feelings or you don't want to um but we're live for life to the internet so i'm just

588
00:39:21,636 --> 00:39:27,216
wondering if it's like it's like it's like we're live to the internet broadcasting everybody at

589
00:39:27,216 --> 00:39:32,116
home kian like you wouldn't disclose that to your entire family do you know what i'm saying

590
00:39:32,116 --> 00:39:38,896
right so like so like by us talking about this is like is also that too like this is what this is

591
00:39:38,896 --> 00:39:42,916
one of those things where you don't want to talk about these things and i don't want to go on the

592
00:39:42,916 --> 00:39:48,636
record saying i get i'm not going to get me or pleb lab in trouble so you can talk about it

593
00:39:48,636 --> 00:39:52,436
wearing a Sacker News hat and say- You're repeating yourself and I'm trying to make a-

594
00:39:52,436 --> 00:39:54,736
Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm trying to say something. So I'm just trying to,

595
00:39:55,016 --> 00:39:58,656
so you don't have to say anything. I'm not asking you to say anything. I'm just trying to understand

596
00:39:58,656 --> 00:40:04,816
something. So is this, so we have the analogy of the family and the family has secrets and only

597
00:40:04,816 --> 00:40:10,496
some of the family members know them and talk about them. And so they know them and they only

598
00:40:10,496 --> 00:40:13,796
know them and talk about them because they don't want to hurt someone's feelings maybe,

599
00:40:13,796 --> 00:40:18,296
or they know some of those family members have loose lips

600
00:40:18,296 --> 00:40:21,636
and that other people hear about what's going on in their family

601
00:40:21,636 --> 00:40:24,836
and they don't want other people to hear about what's going on in their family.

602
00:40:25,456 --> 00:40:28,516
But there are many reasons why a family might keep a secret like that

603
00:40:28,516 --> 00:40:31,256
and it might be sort of self-contained in a small group.

604
00:40:31,456 --> 00:40:35,636
I'm just wondering what the reasoning here would be with regard to Tether

605
00:40:35,636 --> 00:40:43,776
because as far as I can tell, there's nothing like that here that is that bad.

606
00:40:43,796 --> 00:41:11,596
All of it is like, this is all public information. And I don't see, I don't see who this does harm to. Like, this is, this is a story of Tether kind of taking on a very hard path and succeeding and maybe making some sacrifices along the way and doing some things that are sort of, you know, illicit, I guess, or dishonest.

607
00:41:11,596 --> 00:41:40,296
I don't really know. No one knows. But like that's it at worst. But they're well beyond that. It's like they've kind of time served. I don't know what would happen if it doesn't seem like anything bad would happen to this being out there now. So that's kind of my point. It's like, I don't get it. Why wouldn't we talk about it other than it's like maybe boring and like maybe as bad for Bitcoin's price. Like those are the only reasons why I can see why people wouldn't talk about it.

608
00:41:40,296 --> 00:41:42,736
Well, you asked me, like, why is it being shared?

609
00:41:42,816 --> 00:41:44,936
And I just told you why it's not being shared.

610
00:41:45,836 --> 00:41:50,076
I know, but I'm trying to understand the why behind that why.

611
00:41:50,596 --> 00:41:52,256
Like, it's not enough for me to say that.

612
00:41:52,616 --> 00:41:55,596
When you say, like, people don't want to talk about it, it's like, why don't I want to talk about it?

613
00:41:55,596 --> 00:41:56,416
That's my.

614
00:41:57,316 --> 00:42:01,016
Yeah, and I'm not going to give you that salacious, like, reason.

615
00:42:01,376 --> 00:42:02,296
That's what I'm trying to say.

616
00:42:04,036 --> 00:42:04,316
Okay.

617
00:42:04,716 --> 00:42:06,636
I think I get what you're getting at.

618
00:42:06,636 --> 00:42:09,056
Yeah, because I could give you that, but I'm not going to give you that today.

619
00:42:09,056 --> 00:42:14,236
i see because i know i think there are i think i've heard i could say that i could say these

620
00:42:14,236 --> 00:42:17,416
things but i'm not i'm not going to do that because it's just like it's not worth it it's

621
00:42:17,416 --> 00:42:22,936
like let somebody else say it yeah i think i think i really got in enough trouble this summer

622
00:42:22,936 --> 00:42:29,036
there are people in the lab who are a little more conspiracy minded and they think they're like uh

623
00:42:29,036 --> 00:42:34,536
that what happens when you talk about tether like this is they um is like tether's like a

624
00:42:34,536 --> 00:42:43,276
like connected and and does like uh nefarious things like uh murder their critics and and

625
00:42:43,276 --> 00:42:47,256
people who talk about these things are are putting themselves at physical risk

626
00:42:47,256 --> 00:42:53,196
i don't know you're ready i just go to the next topic i just don't know if i buy it um

627
00:42:53,196 --> 00:42:59,756
you're gonna be a topic next one they don't seem like that uh yeah okay the next one is i tipped a

628
00:42:59,756 --> 00:43:05,836
magician in bitcoin this is from ketford 21 comments 1,725 sets key on what's this it's magic

629
00:43:05,836 --> 00:43:14,116
yeah so ketford went to san francisco um and i guess they were on pier 39 which i believe

630
00:43:14,116 --> 00:43:19,236
is fisherman's wharf i actually might be getting that wrong but i'm pretty sure it's like the

631
00:43:19,236 --> 00:43:23,056
touristy it's a tourist place you go it's like the first time you go in there before yeah anyone

632
00:43:23,056 --> 00:43:28,276
who's been to san francisco likely went to pier 39 fisher some of the nicest people are over there

633
00:43:28,276 --> 00:43:34,696
the workers oh yeah i mean that definitely probably make a great living on the on the

634
00:43:34,696 --> 00:43:42,596
pier there um yeah you can see uh seals and they have good good seafood there too yeah everyone

635
00:43:42,596 --> 00:43:46,816
tells you to have you see food and you eat it clam chowder and a bread bowl that's kind of your

636
00:43:46,816 --> 00:43:52,936
they have like oysters yeah the wax museum is near there i've never been to that yeah that's a

637
00:43:52,936 --> 00:43:58,176
it's nice and creepy exactly how you'd expect it yeah i remember fishing it's very yeah it's a very

638
00:43:58,176 --> 00:44:04,796
cool place anyway he was there and there was a street performer doing magic and i guess they did

639
00:44:04,796 --> 00:44:12,316
they do like a full magic show um is what it sounds like and they do it for you know for free

640
00:44:12,316 --> 00:44:20,036
on spec like they just do the show and then they ask you for um donations after the fact

641
00:44:20,036 --> 00:44:28,796
and i guess the uh this this musician was willing to accept bitcoin as uh capford said one once he

642
00:44:28,796 --> 00:44:33,656
finished he said he accepts cash cash out venmo and bitcoin and i guess he was very

643
00:44:33,656 --> 00:44:40,576
he repeated bitcoin several times like as if he preferred it as the means of payment um

644
00:44:40,576 --> 00:44:46,776
and so capford he'd really like to get one bitcoin yeah yeah of course hell yeah that's

645
00:44:46,776 --> 00:44:54,216
you should do so so do we all um 21 get 21 bitcoin don't just score for one get 21 it's a

646
00:44:54,216 --> 00:45:00,916
lot of bitcoin um you can get there anyway so Kepford uh tipped him in bitcoin uh I was kind

647
00:45:00,916 --> 00:45:05,336
of curious whether he was using lightning or what he was using turns out it was on chain I think

648
00:45:05,336 --> 00:45:11,316
Kepford said he it looked like he was using green wallet which I don't know what green wallet is

649
00:45:11,316 --> 00:45:13,216
I'm not familiar

650
00:45:13,216 --> 00:45:15,596
it sounds like blue wallet but it's not

651
00:45:15,596 --> 00:45:17,696
it's green and blue and green

652
00:45:17,696 --> 00:45:19,596
are different things so I'm pretty sure it's a different kind of wallet

653
00:45:19,596 --> 00:45:21,816
but

654
00:45:21,816 --> 00:45:23,576
Kepford said yeah I sent him on chain Bitcoin

655
00:45:23,576 --> 00:45:25,556
and

656
00:45:25,556 --> 00:45:27,376
pretty cool I hope he's

657
00:45:27,376 --> 00:45:29,436
using addresses I hope he's

658
00:45:29,436 --> 00:45:31,316
protecting his privacy like

659
00:45:31,316 --> 00:45:32,296
a good magician

660
00:45:32,296 --> 00:45:33,616
that's cool

661
00:45:33,616 --> 00:45:37,476
there's a lot of people here in Austin that take Bitcoin

662
00:45:37,476 --> 00:45:39,096
like all the pedicab drivers

663
00:45:39,096 --> 00:45:40,876
random people that you run to

664
00:45:40,876 --> 00:45:44,316
even some of the Uber drivers too

665
00:45:44,316 --> 00:45:46,676
take Bitcoin if you ask them

666
00:45:46,676 --> 00:45:48,676
because I think most of the cash apps

667
00:45:48,676 --> 00:45:49,616
and I think all the Venmo

668
00:45:49,616 --> 00:45:52,016
and even PayPal has Bitcoin now

669
00:45:52,016 --> 00:45:53,376
they rolled out Bitcoin

670
00:45:53,376 --> 00:45:55,596
so that's cool

671
00:45:55,596 --> 00:45:57,036
good stuff man

672
00:45:57,036 --> 00:45:58,736
love to see it

673
00:45:58,736 --> 00:46:00,896
have you ever tipped

674
00:46:00,896 --> 00:46:02,576
when was the last time you tipped somebody in Bitcoin?

675
00:46:07,796 --> 00:46:08,716
I don't think

676
00:46:08,716 --> 00:46:09,276
I mean

677
00:46:09,276 --> 00:46:14,736
i i zap people bitcoin on stacker news obviously like recently like like a real

678
00:46:14,736 --> 00:46:18,936
like a flesh and what about the guy who delivers the kombucha to you you never tip him in bitcoin

679
00:46:18,936 --> 00:46:25,356
no i never i don't tip you don't tip him jeez well he's not he's he like works for a company that

680
00:46:25,356 --> 00:46:32,776
does delivery it's like yeah he walks up yeah flights of stairs i don't think so i don't think

681
00:46:32,776 --> 00:46:36,916
i've done i don't think i've done this maybe at a bar maybe back in like 2021 that was the last

682
00:46:36,916 --> 00:46:42,696
time you tip somebody bitcoin like a human like a human being in person who wasn't a bitcoiner yeah

683
00:46:42,696 --> 00:46:48,316
i think i try all the time downstairs at the at the capital one but they always say no

684
00:46:48,316 --> 00:46:57,356
yeah i think it only took me like two fail like two failures where i i last last time i really

685
00:46:57,356 --> 00:47:03,076
tried was that i was in miami or bitcoin conference there and i tried tipping the bell hop

686
00:47:03,076 --> 00:47:09,496
in bitcoin i asked him if he'd accept bitcoin and he's like i'm an old man i don't accept i don't

687
00:47:09,496 --> 00:47:15,456
know that stuff yeah somebody came into club lab and they're selling something with those pins and

688
00:47:15,456 --> 00:47:18,936
then i bought it so i don't know if that counts but that was the last time i'm no that's not

689
00:47:18,936 --> 00:47:25,076
they come in here and they're selling well that's that's kind of close i feel like it's close i don't

690
00:47:25,076 --> 00:47:28,816
know i mean i don't consider spending bitcoin i think we're talking about like someone who was

691
00:47:28,816 --> 00:47:30,896
When's the last time you spent Bitcoin?

692
00:47:31,596 --> 00:47:33,896
I spent it right before this podcast.

693
00:47:34,156 --> 00:47:35,496
I spent it all day long.

694
00:47:35,776 --> 00:47:36,156
Oh, okay.

695
00:47:36,516 --> 00:47:37,076
Well, there you go.

696
00:47:38,396 --> 00:47:42,436
The number one story of the week is, wow, Luke is wrong.

697
00:47:42,436 --> 00:47:51,436
Data carrier size was about OP return since Bitcoin Core version 0.10.0.

698
00:47:51,556 --> 00:47:56,796
This is 9,711 sats, 10K boost, 18 comments from Peter Todd.

699
00:47:56,796 --> 00:48:03,356
dude peter todd's dropping boost to get a point across is this true keon what's going on here

700
00:48:03,356 --> 00:48:08,496
yeah uh i think he does i don't know if he got the number one story of the week

701
00:48:08,496 --> 00:48:16,416
point well across yeah is luke actually wrong um i think he is wrong about

702
00:48:16,416 --> 00:48:28,016
the historical meaning of data carrier and data carrier size as like if if luke ever said that

703
00:48:28,016 --> 00:48:33,976
the intent behind these was to stop but had nothing to do with op return and had to do

704
00:48:33,976 --> 00:48:40,256
with general data i think i think peter todd is right and that they were they do appear to be

705
00:48:40,256 --> 00:48:42,696
specifically scoped to op return.

706
00:48:45,276 --> 00:48:48,936
And so that's kind of what Peter Todd lays out here

707
00:48:48,936 --> 00:48:52,136
is that he viewed some release notes from 2015

708
00:48:52,136 --> 00:48:57,356
and found explicit references to data carrier,

709
00:48:57,496 --> 00:48:59,516
whether you're going to allow op returns or not.

710
00:48:59,576 --> 00:49:01,596
That is the configuration parameter there.

711
00:49:01,896 --> 00:49:03,996
And then the size that you will allow

712
00:49:03,996 --> 00:49:08,396
if you are allowing data carrier transactions.

713
00:49:08,396 --> 00:49:12,076
So for the plebs at home and the stackers that are listening to this,

714
00:49:12,836 --> 00:49:18,956
what are these two very smart men battling about?

715
00:49:20,396 --> 00:49:20,716
Yeah.

716
00:49:21,256 --> 00:49:33,396
On-chain data that is indirectly related to Bitcoin as money use cases.

717
00:49:33,616 --> 00:49:35,776
Is this an argument that has been going on since 2015?

718
00:49:38,396 --> 00:49:42,136
This is an argument probably going on since the very beginning to Bitcoin.

719
00:49:42,376 --> 00:49:54,752
Peter Todd points out people putting data into blocks and people probably complaining about it back in the first few blocks And then Peter Todd saying no bro it been

720
00:49:56,192 --> 00:49:57,092
or yeah,

721
00:49:57,172 --> 00:49:57,612
what is,

722
00:49:57,712 --> 00:49:58,652
what is the back and forth?

723
00:49:58,752 --> 00:50:04,132
I guess the context of all of this is the like knots versus core debate.

724
00:50:04,352 --> 00:50:04,692
Oh,

725
00:50:04,712 --> 00:50:04,972
okay.

726
00:50:05,152 --> 00:50:05,472
Yeah.

727
00:50:05,752 --> 00:50:07,332
So that's who's on whose side.

728
00:50:07,632 --> 00:50:07,912
Just so.

729
00:50:08,012 --> 00:50:08,232
Yeah.

730
00:50:08,232 --> 00:50:10,612
So Luke is on the not side,

731
00:50:10,772 --> 00:50:11,232
which is,

732
00:50:11,652 --> 00:50:14,232
which says that we should be doing everything to,

733
00:50:14,872 --> 00:50:19,492
deter non-financial transactions on Bitcoin.

734
00:50:19,972 --> 00:50:20,172
Gotcha.

735
00:50:21,012 --> 00:50:21,672
That is like,

736
00:50:21,972 --> 00:50:23,632
which things that he classed,

737
00:50:23,692 --> 00:50:26,872
that him and a lot of people classify as spam.

738
00:50:26,952 --> 00:50:28,252
Most Bitcoiners would classify as spam.

739
00:50:28,332 --> 00:50:30,852
He says that we should be doing everything we can

740
00:50:30,852 --> 00:50:33,852
to not relay these transactions to miners,

741
00:50:34,012 --> 00:50:34,832
to get them to miners.

742
00:50:34,832 --> 00:50:38,712
And that's what is not Bitcoin core fork does,

743
00:50:39,052 --> 00:50:44,832
is it does not relay these data containing non-financial,

744
00:50:44,872 --> 00:50:49,132
transactions that they call spam and attack on Bitcoin, that kind of thing.

745
00:50:49,132 --> 00:50:52,892
And Peter Todd is on the other side of this where he's like,

746
00:50:52,932 --> 00:50:56,772
these transactions are going to get to miners regardless of whether

747
00:50:56,772 --> 00:51:00,852
people are running Bitcoin knots and relaying these transactions.

748
00:51:02,492 --> 00:51:04,832
So what we should do is actually make,

749
00:51:05,052 --> 00:51:08,652
and these transactions are giving fees to Bitcoin miners,

750
00:51:08,712 --> 00:51:13,292
which is good for Bitcoin security. So we should actually just let it happen,

751
00:51:13,292 --> 00:51:15,652
stop spending resources on fighting it

752
00:51:15,652 --> 00:51:17,412
it's going to happen anyway

753
00:51:17,412 --> 00:51:20,252
so all those resources

754
00:51:20,252 --> 00:51:21,752
won't be well spent

755
00:51:21,752 --> 00:51:23,312
if we attempt to stop it

756
00:51:23,312 --> 00:51:25,352
and so there's

757
00:51:25,352 --> 00:51:27,052
it's gotten to the point where

758
00:51:27,052 --> 00:51:29,492
there are these kind of debates about

759
00:51:29,492 --> 00:51:30,772
what things meant

760
00:51:30,772 --> 00:51:33,412
in the past of Bitcoin

761
00:51:33,412 --> 00:51:34,252
and this is

762
00:51:34,252 --> 00:51:37,512
one of those finer points where

763
00:51:37,512 --> 00:51:39,472
Peter Todd sees that

764
00:51:39,472 --> 00:51:40,892
Luke is wrong about

765
00:51:40,892 --> 00:51:43,912
what data carrier meant.

766
00:51:44,752 --> 00:51:46,652
Did Luke just misremember maybe?

767
00:51:47,252 --> 00:51:47,592
Yeah.

768
00:51:48,672 --> 00:51:50,512
There's lots of reasons why people are wrong.

769
00:51:53,332 --> 00:51:55,512
And I don't, Luke doesn't strike me,

770
00:51:56,012 --> 00:51:57,812
I mean, I also have a hard time

771
00:51:57,812 --> 00:51:59,252
viewing most people as bad intention,

772
00:51:59,332 --> 00:52:02,012
but Luke doesn't strike me as being a liar.

773
00:52:02,392 --> 00:52:03,092
He's Catholic.

774
00:52:03,212 --> 00:52:04,532
He's not going to lie on purpose.

775
00:52:04,532 --> 00:52:05,872
Well, Catholics lie.

776
00:52:07,472 --> 00:52:08,132
They do.

777
00:52:08,352 --> 00:52:09,492
They also go to confession too.

778
00:52:10,132 --> 00:52:10,612
Yeah.

779
00:52:10,612 --> 00:52:12,012
And repent.

780
00:52:13,232 --> 00:52:15,052
Yeah, but that doesn't mean they don't lie.

781
00:52:15,292 --> 00:52:18,312
So he could be going to confession every week for lies, he's saying.

782
00:52:18,492 --> 00:52:20,792
Well, if he sees this, he'll probably repent, I'm sure.

783
00:52:23,132 --> 00:52:23,492
Okay.

784
00:52:24,572 --> 00:52:25,632
I just didn't joke.

785
00:52:25,872 --> 00:52:27,772
I'm just trying to figure out what's going on.

786
00:52:27,992 --> 00:52:32,092
But anyway, people lie whether they're religious or not.

787
00:52:32,832 --> 00:52:38,012
And so I don't, I wouldn't, but I just, my general sense is that Luke isn't a liar.

788
00:52:38,452 --> 00:52:39,112
No, he's not a liar.

789
00:52:39,112 --> 00:52:41,312
Because he's been, he's kind of beats the, cares about Bitcoin.

790
00:52:41,552 --> 00:52:42,692
I think everybody cares about Bitcoin.

791
00:52:43,112 --> 00:52:43,252
Yeah.

792
00:52:43,312 --> 00:52:44,292
These two guys care about Bitcoin.

793
00:52:44,292 --> 00:52:45,012
Yeah, exactly.

794
00:52:45,232 --> 00:52:46,692
So I don't think either is lying.

795
00:52:46,832 --> 00:52:49,112
They might be making mistakes and they might be wrong, but they're not.

796
00:52:49,172 --> 00:52:49,972
I don't think they're lying.

797
00:52:51,252 --> 00:52:55,112
So that's kind of where I sit on whether people are lying or not.

798
00:52:56,712 --> 00:53:05,292
But it does appear like Luke is wrong on this very specific point that is, you know, as far as I can tell,

799
00:53:05,292 --> 00:53:11,112
like not relevant to whether a person should be running Bitcoin knots or

800
00:53:11,112 --> 00:53:11,752
Bitcoin core.

801
00:53:11,832 --> 00:53:12,332
It's kind of like,

802
00:53:12,452 --> 00:53:13,512
what is Satoshi's vision?

803
00:53:13,712 --> 00:53:15,932
And we should just be following Satoshi's vision.

804
00:53:16,052 --> 00:53:16,432
It's like the,

805
00:53:16,772 --> 00:53:21,492
I don't think the history should be determining what we do in the present

806
00:53:21,492 --> 00:53:21,892
moment.

807
00:53:22,112 --> 00:53:22,392
What that,

808
00:53:22,472 --> 00:53:23,392
what was the top comment?

809
00:53:23,472 --> 00:53:25,372
Top comment was from scores.

810
00:53:25,452 --> 00:53:25,612
Me.

811
00:53:26,232 --> 00:53:27,432
Thanks for posting this.

812
00:53:27,492 --> 00:53:28,372
I appreciate the clarity.

813
00:53:30,652 --> 00:53:32,372
And then he talked about taproot,

814
00:53:32,372 --> 00:53:40,472
anything in the comments that you think is worth mentioning or bringing up um nothing in particular

815
00:53:40,472 --> 00:53:51,292
are people that disagree pretty uh pretty seriously with with peter or just you know any

816
00:53:51,292 --> 00:53:58,532
any disparaging comments made about knots or one way in a spam in the spam debate gets

817
00:53:58,532 --> 00:54:07,092
kind of unhinged sort of takes or ill-informed takes at least so this is no they're just hating

818
00:54:07,092 --> 00:54:14,912
on peter basically i think there was some like yeah cry harder scammer we resist your psyop

819
00:54:14,912 --> 00:54:20,372
i said it didn't address it's like it didn't address any of the kind of points made directly

820
00:54:20,372 --> 00:54:26,792
okay have we has luke ever been on sacker news or he's just mostly just on twitter right he has

821
00:54:26,792 --> 00:54:32,072
been on saccharineas before yeah okay so he does come on there every once in a while yeah yeah he

822
00:54:32,072 --> 00:54:39,352
was we were his uh no stirs app address for a while oh cool so maybe luke will come back and

823
00:54:39,352 --> 00:54:44,252
talk about this i don't think so i think the venue for this debate seems to be primarily

824
00:54:44,252 --> 00:54:51,112
x at this point so it's kind of where everyone already is cool that's all the top stories this

825
00:54:51,112 --> 00:54:59,772
week on uh stacker news live very um very all over the place week i would say as far as the

826
00:54:59,772 --> 00:55:06,392
stories got me and keon heated i wasn't very i just got me heated on one of them and got you

827
00:55:06,392 --> 00:55:11,912
confused on some of them most of them so we're all over the place this week um we're gonna jump into

828
00:55:11,912 --> 00:55:17,692
the rest of the stuff i want to bring up a new segment it's called ai bitcoin this is from

829
00:55:17,692 --> 00:55:24,032
optimism every week he does a this week in bitcoin or i'm sorry this week in ai uh this

830
00:55:24,032 --> 00:55:30,872
one's this week it's called the gloom of the vibe and uh he referenced kr's posts are the men

831
00:55:30,872 --> 00:55:39,072
who know the most the most gloomy did you see this post um yes i did see that post he said in 1955

832
00:55:39,072 --> 00:55:43,592
einstein and a dozen scientists wrote to congress about the danger of nuclear weapons saying the men

833
00:55:43,592 --> 00:55:46,072
who know the most are the most gloomy.

834
00:55:46,952 --> 00:55:49,292
And KR asked, how do the men who know the most

835
00:55:49,292 --> 00:55:52,072
about today's most commonly cited danger AI feel?

836
00:55:53,812 --> 00:55:55,772
Optimism at the top comment.

837
00:55:56,732 --> 00:56:00,652
He said, he goes, most likely because I agree with the message,

838
00:56:00,652 --> 00:56:02,372
it tries to convey a cautious approach,

839
00:56:02,752 --> 00:56:04,672
highlighting vulnerability, not in software written,

840
00:56:04,752 --> 00:56:07,372
but in the marketing approach, a vision carried out by the leaders.

841
00:56:07,492 --> 00:56:10,052
I think the real danger is that people actually listen to Sam Altman.

842
00:56:10,612 --> 00:56:12,452
Thus far, he seems to be winning, which is worrisome.

843
00:56:13,592 --> 00:56:16,132
You get worried about Sam Altman, don't you, Keon?

844
00:56:16,572 --> 00:56:16,972
No.

845
00:56:17,732 --> 00:56:19,832
I don't get worried about the guy, to be honest.

846
00:56:20,692 --> 00:56:21,812
It doesn't strike me as somebody.

847
00:56:22,672 --> 00:56:24,552
There's a book that's coming out about him.

848
00:56:26,492 --> 00:56:28,212
It's a very salacious book.

849
00:56:30,412 --> 00:56:33,912
It's a very negative book about him, but looking forward to reading that.

850
00:56:36,732 --> 00:56:39,172
But yeah, I don't really get a bad vibe about him.

851
00:56:39,172 --> 00:56:46,652
oh i think he's definitely ambitious to the point where he um probably doesn't care too much about

852
00:56:46,652 --> 00:56:52,192
people and cares more about fulfilling his ambitions so that that yeah i have that feeling

853
00:56:52,192 --> 00:56:59,512
about him but i don't like have any other feelings about him yeah he had a couple of um some ceos go

854
00:56:59,512 --> 00:57:05,792
all in on the vibe coinbase ceo explains why he fired engineers who didn't try ai immediately this

855
00:57:05,792 --> 00:57:11,672
was another one i don't know if you saw this post this was kind of funny brian armstrong apparently

856
00:57:11,672 --> 00:57:19,632
fired some people oh um this was hilarious yeah i think i read that but i don't i actually don't

857
00:57:19,632 --> 00:57:22,852
remember it unless i read it a while ago there's a lot of really good posts here check it out

858
00:57:22,852 --> 00:57:28,912
stackers this week in ai on stacker news yeah i don't think there's another i keep saying this

859
00:57:28,912 --> 00:57:33,992
every week but i don't think there's another bitcoin ai weekly newsletter but the one on

860
00:57:33,992 --> 00:57:39,212
second is it's definitely worth subscribing to so all you got to do is do this and you hit

861
00:57:39,212 --> 00:57:45,052
subscribe right is that all you gotta do is that how that works um yeah what are you trying to

862
00:57:45,052 --> 00:57:50,392
subscribe to this week in ai oh you can't subscribe to this week in ai specifically you

863
00:57:50,392 --> 00:57:55,772
could subscribe to optimism oh so you just got to go here optimism yeah and then you go here

864
00:57:55,772 --> 00:58:01,652
yeah and then you subscribe to his posts boss there you go boom that's all you do stackers

865
00:58:01,652 --> 00:58:07,632
um the next one i want to bring up was this one this other ai bitcoin post was funny this was also

866
00:58:07,632 --> 00:58:13,172
from kr he had uh prove you're not ai you have one minute to leave a comment that proves you're

867
00:58:13,172 --> 00:58:19,752
a human and not an ai robot go and then he had all the stackers do it this is hilarious i thought

868
00:58:19,752 --> 00:58:27,112
this was hilarious uh he made uh one stacker made this which was basically stacker news and i think

869
00:58:27,112 --> 00:58:32,052
it won yeah handwritten hand which an ai does not have hands as far as i know yet

870
00:58:32,052 --> 00:58:38,852
pretty pretty convincing yeah and then what was another one that i saw i'm not a robot that was

871
00:58:38,852 --> 00:58:53,332
a camsha this one was sort of funny um what's this one pencil uh yeah ask i don't know what that is

872
00:58:53,332 --> 00:58:58,792
yeah a lot of people ended up just like kind of cursing and yeah profanities to prove they're

873
00:58:58,792 --> 00:59:04,532
not at least not a woke ai yeah how would you prove you're not an ai can i don't know i don't

874
00:59:04,532 --> 00:59:09,992
think you can on through a digital medium i think really yeah you can't really you can't even hold

875
00:59:09,992 --> 00:59:15,592
your thing anymore right like and do that yeah you can't do a picture doesn't work can't even do

876
00:59:15,592 --> 00:59:22,192
that yeah it's not really sufficient man we might even not even be real right now at this point

877
00:59:22,192 --> 00:59:26,512
It's true. This might be a Google banana.

878
00:59:26,512 --> 00:59:27,712
We could just be...

879
00:59:27,712 --> 00:59:28,192
What's it called?

880
00:59:28,832 --> 00:59:29,232
Banana.

881
00:59:29,232 --> 00:59:30,912
I mean, we could just be AI.

882
00:59:30,912 --> 00:59:31,792
Or something.

883
00:59:31,792 --> 00:59:34,112
We literally could just be figments of...

884
00:59:34,112 --> 00:59:35,712
Huh? The photography thing.

885
00:59:35,712 --> 00:59:37,312
Cryptographic keys.

886
00:59:37,312 --> 00:59:37,552
Yeah.

887
00:59:41,152 --> 00:59:43,472
Yeah, but why couldn't AIs have cryptographic keys?

888
00:59:43,472 --> 00:59:47,712
And that would require the other humans to know what my valid cryptographic keys are,

889
00:59:47,712 --> 00:59:51,232
which are somehow I've gotten those to them in person, probably.

890
00:59:51,232 --> 00:59:54,672
otherwise i could have transmitted to them digitally which i could have just been

891
00:59:57,152 --> 00:59:58,272
it's the same problem again

892
01:00:03,312 --> 01:00:09,632
it can produce a script that can generate a key so it can i don't think it even requires a hallucination

893
01:00:09,632 --> 01:00:23,152
yeah i don't get the idea i think it's the idea that somehow uh cryptographic keys solve the

894
01:00:23,152 --> 01:00:27,792
like sybil problem of online identity and online personhood

895
01:00:27,792 --> 01:00:35,872
i think it's just like uh it's sort of like pushing off the issue it's like yeah there's

896
01:00:35,872 --> 01:00:39,552
the issue where you can't prove yourself but we have this other thing and then we'll ignore all

897
01:00:39,552 --> 01:00:46,272
the issues with that and how i i think like subvert so that's the solution so i gotta i gotta you know

898
01:00:46,272 --> 01:00:52,672
so the only thing that actually proves you know damn i hate saying this because it's sucks so the

899
01:00:52,672 --> 01:01:03,452
only thing that actually proves you're that you're human um is your eye why so your eye your actual

900
01:01:03,452 --> 01:01:11,512
eyeball yeah has um there's a podcast there's a podcast i'll share it in the show notes if i find

901
01:01:11,512 --> 01:01:17,512
the thing there's a podcast that talks about how the eyeball is the only thing that's actually

902
01:01:17,512 --> 01:01:29,192
um that is uh unique um more so than a fingerprint um that each each human has

903
01:01:29,192 --> 01:01:33,592
I'll share the podcast where it talks about this

904
01:01:33,592 --> 01:01:35,332
Anyway, long story short

905
01:01:35,332 --> 01:01:37,712
That's why it's scary that the whole world coin thing

906
01:01:37,712 --> 01:01:39,532
Is doing that thing with the eyeball

907
01:01:39,532 --> 01:01:41,552
And that's why in Blade Runner

908
01:01:41,552 --> 01:01:44,312
Philip Kate Dick did the eyeball thing

909
01:01:44,312 --> 01:01:46,392
Eyeball scanner

910
01:01:46,392 --> 01:01:47,472
Well they are unique

911
01:01:47,472 --> 01:01:50,212
But I don't see why an AI couldn't make

912
01:01:50,212 --> 01:01:51,772
Another unique eyeball

913
01:01:51,772 --> 01:01:54,212
Because it's a god thing

914
01:01:54,212 --> 01:01:56,512
That's why you can't

915
01:01:56,512 --> 01:01:58,152
Reproduce an eyeball like that

916
01:01:58,152 --> 01:02:03,452
okay so you don't do you think that i can only come from god like god it's literally from like a

917
01:02:03,452 --> 01:02:08,892
like a woman it takes a it takes dna it actually takes like i'll share the podcast where he talks

918
01:02:08,892 --> 01:02:15,112
about it okay so you think they're it's not reproducible yeah it's not reproducible outside

919
01:02:15,112 --> 01:02:21,012
of the womb okay i don't know i don't i just i don't think that's true it's serious i'm serious

920
01:02:21,012 --> 01:02:28,092
like i like unless the guy's lying but he's like a doctor who like is specialized in like

921
01:02:28,092 --> 01:02:29,992
and all this stuff.

922
01:02:30,192 --> 01:02:30,292
I don't know.

923
01:02:30,352 --> 01:02:32,332
I feel like if you get an Adam for Adam printer,

924
01:02:32,632 --> 01:02:35,412
I feel like I could just print an arbitrary eye.

925
01:02:35,612 --> 01:02:36,632
I just don't see why.

926
01:02:36,872 --> 01:02:37,572
I don't get why.

927
01:02:37,952 --> 01:02:40,052
As far as it's a physical thing,

928
01:02:40,152 --> 01:02:40,752
and I get...

929
01:02:40,752 --> 01:02:41,772
Tower of Babel, bro.

930
01:02:42,452 --> 01:02:43,152
That's all I'm saying.

931
01:02:43,272 --> 01:02:43,952
What does that mean?

932
01:02:44,452 --> 01:02:44,812
Exactly.

933
01:02:49,012 --> 01:02:49,552
All right.

934
01:02:50,832 --> 01:02:51,512
That's what I'm saying.

935
01:02:51,632 --> 01:02:53,172
I'll share the podcast so you can listen to it.

936
01:02:53,532 --> 01:02:54,452
I'm not going to listen to it.

937
01:02:55,052 --> 01:02:56,092
You're so upset.

938
01:02:56,552 --> 01:02:57,332
I'm not upset.

939
01:02:57,332 --> 01:03:01,192
I just don't, I just don't, I just hate where everything becomes like, I'm going to give

940
01:03:01,192 --> 01:03:02,672
you homework and then you'll get it.

941
01:03:02,752 --> 01:03:03,972
Well, I don't know how to explain it.

942
01:03:03,992 --> 01:03:05,472
Cause I'm not, I'm not the genius.

943
01:03:05,912 --> 01:03:09,872
I don't know how to explain it, but there's a podcast that explains it better than I could.

944
01:03:09,912 --> 01:03:10,152
Okay.

945
01:03:10,152 --> 01:03:10,912
Well, that's cool.

946
01:03:11,052 --> 01:03:13,672
I, but I, it's not sufficient for me to agree with you.

947
01:03:13,772 --> 01:03:14,912
You don't have to agree with me.

948
01:03:14,952 --> 01:03:17,052
I'm just telling you for the stackers at home that want to listen.

949
01:03:17,172 --> 01:03:17,792
I'll share it later.

950
01:03:17,992 --> 01:03:18,192
Okay.

951
01:03:18,192 --> 01:03:18,852
Share it with them.

952
01:03:19,552 --> 01:03:19,832
Yeah.

953
01:03:19,832 --> 01:03:21,012
Then maybe somebody will write up.

954
01:03:21,072 --> 01:03:23,032
Kefford will love Kefford's list this right now.

955
01:03:23,072 --> 01:03:24,012
Kefford, you would love this.

956
01:03:24,012 --> 01:03:26,472
So maybe you can share a post on Stacker News.

957
01:03:26,632 --> 01:03:27,892
That way Keon can read it.

958
01:03:28,492 --> 01:03:29,692
I just feel like that's not part.

959
01:03:30,092 --> 01:03:32,712
I feel like that's not God's direct handiwork.

960
01:03:33,132 --> 01:03:33,852
No, it is.

961
01:03:33,972 --> 01:03:35,132
Like the eyeball literally.

962
01:03:35,132 --> 01:03:43,032
Dude, that's why the world coin is so like really like you know it's the other side doing it.

963
01:03:43,172 --> 01:03:45,372
It's like it's all over.

964
01:03:45,492 --> 01:03:46,232
It's so weird.

965
01:03:47,012 --> 01:03:48,712
That's why you know it's the other side doing it.

966
01:03:48,852 --> 01:03:51,232
It's like they know exactly what to go for.

967
01:03:51,232 --> 01:03:58,092
it's really scary anyway that's ai bitcoin this week uh we're also going to be doing another

968
01:03:58,092 --> 01:04:04,432
segment it's called a wumble pick um um we didn't have time to do it this week wumble because uh

969
01:04:04,432 --> 01:04:09,812
kian didn't have time to read it but next week he will yeah if we if i'm expected to kind of

970
01:04:09,812 --> 01:04:13,592
talk about something i kind of want to know what i'm going to talk about before so i don't have to

971
01:04:13,592 --> 01:04:18,252
be like hey i'm going to send you guys a podcast after this podcast you guys can learn i'm just

972
01:04:18,252 --> 01:04:23,612
kidding but uh no yeah keon's happy to do it i just have to we just have to get it to him on

973
01:04:23,612 --> 01:04:27,952
thursday so we're gonna try to do like a more education one little short educational segment

974
01:04:27,952 --> 01:04:32,392
based on a stacker news post is the idea so one was gonna pick one every week and then uh keon

975
01:04:32,392 --> 01:04:37,952
will talk about it and uh yeah we'll learn and then i just wanted to share this one this was my

976
01:04:37,952 --> 01:04:44,172
post this week was early day so i recorded with with joe from unchained and uh i don't know if

977
01:04:44,172 --> 01:04:48,232
you saw this episode but from the people that did see it they say they really enjoyed it oh joe

978
01:04:48,232 --> 01:04:51,652
I don't think Joe does a lot of podcasts, right?

979
01:04:52,432 --> 01:04:57,092
I think he does, but I think he only does them with like CNBC and like bigger.

980
01:04:57,672 --> 01:04:58,392
Oh, I see.

981
01:04:58,552 --> 01:04:59,992
With like bigger people.

982
01:05:00,312 --> 01:05:03,272
So the fact that he came over here and did it, it was kind of cool.

983
01:05:03,932 --> 01:05:04,192
Yeah.

984
01:05:04,792 --> 01:05:05,992
Yeah, he's big, dude.

985
01:05:06,232 --> 01:05:08,592
He's like big.

986
01:05:08,752 --> 01:05:09,352
Big star.

987
01:05:09,512 --> 01:05:10,092
He's like big star.

988
01:05:10,252 --> 01:05:10,552
Yeah.

989
01:05:11,672 --> 01:05:13,112
Anyways, so you got to check it out, stackers.

990
01:05:14,612 --> 01:05:17,372
The other one is Keon.

991
01:05:18,232 --> 01:05:24,412
your post was uh this one relay rely sunsets lightning network integration

992
01:05:24,412 --> 01:05:32,152
yeah i thought this was um i don't know i thought this was kind of big news uh basically the they're

993
01:05:32,152 --> 01:05:37,312
next so rely is kind of like the bull bitcoin i believe of like switzerland or perhaps like

994
01:05:37,312 --> 01:05:41,532
broader europe i don't i'm not exactly sure because i don't live there but they're kind of

995
01:05:41,532 --> 01:05:47,272
like a bull bitcoin in the sense that they are a non-custodial exchange that is you buy bitcoin

996
01:05:47,272 --> 01:05:54,772
from them using fiat and they send it directly to cold storage or some wallet that is in your

997
01:05:54,772 --> 01:06:03,312
own control um and i guess the one like their phone app had on it the ability i think to withdraw

998
01:06:03,312 --> 01:06:09,552
via lightning and also had the ability to send out any self-custody bitcoin that was on your phone

999
01:06:09,552 --> 01:06:15,412
app via lightning and they said that just people weren't using it and they were having a lot of

1000
01:06:15,412 --> 01:06:20,572
issues with it the implementation like they didn't want to have to spend more time managing

1001
01:06:20,572 --> 01:06:26,372
the implementation and given how little adoption there was on the part of their customers they

1002
01:06:26,372 --> 01:06:36,852
decided to stop supporting it and so i think in this fee environment where blocks are like sort

1003
01:06:36,852 --> 01:06:44,172
of empty and fees are below one sat per v byte now it kind of it kind of makes sense it's

1004
01:06:44,172 --> 01:06:51,152
interesting you know like we were just talking about um startup day yucatan and meridia and it's

1005
01:06:51,152 --> 01:06:58,672
like all the grassroots plebs that are using lightning and then we're seeing like this higher

1006
01:06:58,672 --> 01:07:05,032
echelon group of people that are looking up you know i'm not pointing them out or anything but

1007
01:07:05,032 --> 01:07:08,832
like these higher echelon people are just like buying bitcoin or they're buying it through

1008
01:07:08,832 --> 01:07:14,352
securities or etfs and stuff but it's like all these grassroots level people are still using

1009
01:07:14,352 --> 01:07:20,352
lightning so i think there is this kind of gap that we're seeing so um i think it's a mad it's

1010
01:07:20,352 --> 01:07:24,772
like a matter of the amount of bitcoin you have and so if you're using an exchange you're probably

1011
01:07:24,772 --> 01:07:30,372
not buying 100 sats worth of bitcoin at a time you're probably buying you know significant you

1012
01:07:30,372 --> 01:07:37,012
know significant volume of bitcoin and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense maybe to use lightning

1013
01:07:37,012 --> 01:07:42,992
for that use case. So I don't really see this as a sign that there's something bad going on with

1014
01:07:42,992 --> 01:07:48,452
Lightning so much as maybe Lightning on an exchange doesn't make a whole lot of sense,

1015
01:07:48,632 --> 01:07:52,692
especially this type of exchange. If it's more like an exchange like Coinbase where

1016
01:07:52,692 --> 01:07:58,312
you're letting Coinbase custody the Bitcoin for you, maybe you want to send off 100, 1000,

1017
01:07:58,952 --> 01:08:05,732
5000 sats at a time. And having a low fee for that makes a lot of sense. But if you were DCA-ing

1018
01:08:05,732 --> 01:08:11,272
your life savings uh you know i don't i don't really know why you're trying to save 10 sats

1019
01:08:11,272 --> 01:08:18,292
at a time probably it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense but yeah yeah it's i guess robosats

1020
01:08:18,292 --> 01:08:26,952
is the only lightning exchange out there right that's non-kyc yeah there are very few uh non-kyc

1021
01:08:26,952 --> 01:08:34,512
exchanges but there are a few peer-to-peer non-kyc exchanges there uh one of them is peach i believe

1022
01:08:34,512 --> 01:08:35,472
Oh, yeah, Peach.

1023
01:08:35,732 --> 01:08:36,192
Yeah, Peach.

1024
01:08:36,752 --> 01:08:38,512
Of course, RoboSense is Lightning native.

1025
01:08:38,612 --> 01:08:39,752
I think they only do Lightning.

1026
01:08:40,592 --> 01:08:45,652
And they're like federated and anonymous and stuff.

1027
01:08:46,372 --> 01:08:48,812
I think Peach might have reputations.

1028
01:08:49,592 --> 01:08:57,932
There's also, I think, Vexel in, I believe, the Czech Republic, or at least based in the Czech Republic.

1029
01:08:58,072 --> 01:08:59,152
They're also a peer-to-peer expansion.

1030
01:08:59,152 --> 01:09:04,352
I know there was one that operated in Brazil run by Ray.

1031
01:09:04,512 --> 01:09:05,572
Yusuf

1032
01:09:05,572 --> 01:09:07,992
I forget what that was

1033
01:09:07,992 --> 01:09:10,232
That was I think a shitcoin

1034
01:09:10,232 --> 01:09:12,052
Like peer-to-peer shitcoin stuff

1035
01:09:12,052 --> 01:09:13,592
But I think it was still

1036
01:09:13,592 --> 01:09:15,512
Did he write like a white paper or something?

1037
01:09:15,752 --> 01:09:16,592
Whatever happened with that?

1038
01:09:16,952 --> 01:09:18,912
I think they were planning to do a decentralized

1039
01:09:18,912 --> 01:09:20,852
Exchange

1040
01:09:20,852 --> 01:09:23,152
Where they had written up

1041
01:09:23,152 --> 01:09:24,732
A pretty complicated protocol

1042
01:09:24,732 --> 01:09:26,352
And

1043
01:09:26,352 --> 01:09:28,152
I don't know what state that's in

1044
01:09:28,152 --> 01:09:30,612
I know they had some good hackers working on it

1045
01:09:30,612 --> 01:09:32,952
But those things are very tricky

1046
01:09:32,952 --> 01:09:33,412
To get

1047
01:09:33,412 --> 01:09:40,472
working right so yeah yeah interesting i think you might also be able to do lightning now on

1048
01:09:40,472 --> 01:09:46,912
bisque maybe even join market i'm not sure though yeah you said it reminds me of folks

1049
01:09:46,912 --> 01:09:53,712
on setting on chain payments over the years yeah yeah like i said we were talking i was talking to

1050
01:09:53,712 --> 01:10:00,132
an og and he said that like this happened to bitcoin where like people went away from it for

1051
01:10:00,132 --> 01:10:05,192
a little while and then they came back to it it's the same thing like that's happening to lightning

1052
01:10:05,192 --> 01:10:11,352
people go away from it and then they'll come back to it um you just gotta be there when they do

1053
01:10:11,352 --> 01:10:17,572
yeah and keep building in the meantime yeah people who are like so this is like a hobby for them or

1054
01:10:17,572 --> 01:10:22,912
you know like lightning was like a hobby for a on-chain bitcoin company yeah it makes sense for

1055
01:10:22,912 --> 01:10:26,952
them to ditch it just like the payment processors who integrated bitcoin or the merchants who

1056
01:10:26,952 --> 01:10:34,132
integrated bitcoin in some like bull run eventually got you know got tired of their hobby and removed

1057
01:10:34,132 --> 01:10:39,212
it i don't know if over like if overstock.com still has bitcoin yeah i think microsoft and

1058
01:10:39,212 --> 01:10:43,932
like at&t did it too at certain points i remember stripe had bitcoin support very briefly yeah

1059
01:10:43,932 --> 01:10:50,612
yeah it's just uh yeah it's a very like thing to do so it's like becomes fashionable and then it's

1060
01:10:50,612 --> 01:10:56,152
not fashionable and you know who the like posers but you like you know people who maybe didn't

1061
01:10:56,152 --> 01:11:01,692
really have get a lot of value from it or yeah yeah cool we're going to jump into meta real quick

1062
01:11:01,692 --> 01:11:09,132
we have a stacker news monthly what's this key on yeah so a simple stacker is going to take a close

1063
01:11:09,132 --> 01:11:15,632
look at stacker news uh activity specifically i think around post but maybe maybe they plan plan

1064
01:11:15,632 --> 01:11:19,692
to expand out otherwise but they're going to take a close look at stacker news activity for each month

1065
01:11:19,692 --> 01:11:22,612
and then do their data science-y things.

1066
01:11:24,132 --> 01:11:27,552
So they pull out some really interesting stats here.

1067
01:11:27,552 --> 01:11:31,132
I think in the month of July,

1068
01:11:32,652 --> 01:11:35,592
stackers earned, on average,

1069
01:11:37,572 --> 01:11:40,472
nearly two stats per word

1070
01:11:40,472 --> 01:11:43,192
that was written on Stacker News,

1071
01:11:43,672 --> 01:11:46,832
which is kind of a cool stat that I wasn't aware of.

1072
01:11:46,832 --> 01:11:50,532
um so they're doing they're like trying to look at they're looking at all the data and

1073
01:11:50,532 --> 01:11:58,832
kind of pulling out i don't know insights from it um like for here uh he has the top stackers

1074
01:11:58,832 --> 01:12:05,112
by um the number of items posted and i guess undisciplined is at the top there and he also

1075
01:12:05,112 --> 01:12:08,852
oh they even have their favorite word yes their favorite word the word they're using the most

1076
01:12:08,852 --> 01:12:13,012
but like blockchain boo is using construction the most does he use the word construction well

1077
01:12:13,012 --> 01:12:15,252
because they run the construction engineering.

1078
01:12:15,492 --> 01:12:16,092
Oh, that's right.

1079
01:12:16,252 --> 01:12:16,392
Okay.

1080
01:12:16,512 --> 01:12:18,412
I was like, when does blockchain say construction?

1081
01:12:18,692 --> 01:12:20,572
Yeah, they have an interest in construction.

1082
01:12:21,192 --> 01:12:23,812
And GreyRuby, I guess, says game a lot

1083
01:12:23,812 --> 01:12:26,812
because they're Stacker Sports territory founder.

1084
01:12:27,712 --> 01:12:31,012
A lot of stackers use the word stacker a lot.

1085
01:12:32,912 --> 01:12:37,252
Econ, yeah, within, I guess, each territory.

1086
01:12:37,592 --> 01:12:38,392
We also have the favorite word.

1087
01:12:38,392 --> 01:12:40,212
I would like to find out when the first time

1088
01:12:40,212 --> 01:12:42,072
the word stacker was used on Stacker News.

1089
01:12:42,072 --> 01:12:49,012
see if you can find that out that would be cool oh it's probably back in 2021 yeah i went to find

1090
01:12:49,012 --> 01:12:56,352
out like who was a person that called uh somebody a stacker like on stacker oh that was intentional

1091
01:12:56,352 --> 01:13:03,452
by me um yeah but i'm saying like when when was the first post like where somebody was like oh

1092
01:13:03,452 --> 01:13:10,072
hey what's up stacker like he's a stacker like on stacker news oh okay well yeah that might be

1093
01:13:10,072 --> 01:13:15,812
different but i i was i create the first i created like a telegram chat very early for like customer

1094
01:13:15,812 --> 01:13:21,752
support and um that was called stackers yeah that's what i'm saying i wonder when it was used

1095
01:13:21,752 --> 01:13:28,132
maybe it was your first post where you said you're a stack no definitely not it was it required like

1096
01:13:28,132 --> 01:13:34,212
conscious effort for me to even start call call like giving something a name it's kind of hard

1097
01:13:34,212 --> 01:13:38,632
yeah that's what i'm saying i wonder where that where that term came from and like who

1098
01:13:38,632 --> 01:13:40,552
who used it first.

1099
01:13:40,632 --> 01:13:41,432
It'd be interesting to see.

1100
01:13:42,492 --> 01:13:42,672
Yeah.

1101
01:13:42,852 --> 01:13:43,372
That's cool.

1102
01:13:43,912 --> 01:13:44,832
Top territories.

1103
01:13:46,472 --> 01:13:50,432
Bitcoin, Stacker Sports, Econ, AI.

1104
01:13:50,592 --> 01:13:52,472
AI has been taking off really well.

1105
01:13:54,172 --> 01:13:55,072
I get a lot of posting.

1106
01:13:55,572 --> 01:13:57,072
Yeah, I post in there all the time.

1107
01:13:58,072 --> 01:13:59,652
It's just one of the most active things

1108
01:13:59,652 --> 01:14:00,832
going on in the world right now.

1109
01:14:01,212 --> 01:14:02,032
Yeah, it's a good territory.

1110
01:14:02,032 --> 01:14:03,392
I'm glad that he picked it back up.

1111
01:14:04,532 --> 01:14:06,032
I don't know who had it first.

1112
01:14:06,352 --> 01:14:07,172
I don't remember.

1113
01:14:07,172 --> 01:14:08,852
I think it was David W.

1114
01:14:09,572 --> 01:14:09,772
Oh.

1115
01:14:11,112 --> 01:14:11,512
Builder.

1116
01:14:11,632 --> 01:14:13,232
So like, remember I told you I optimized it?

1117
01:14:13,312 --> 01:14:13,812
It works.

1118
01:14:14,932 --> 01:14:17,112
I optimized it down on the posting.

1119
01:14:17,752 --> 01:14:18,992
I like where it's at now.

1120
01:14:19,092 --> 01:14:22,772
I like the posting, the post amount now.

1121
01:14:23,572 --> 01:14:26,472
So I feel like putting it to 500 sets,

1122
01:14:26,752 --> 01:14:27,892
the places should be in.

1123
01:14:28,612 --> 01:14:30,192
So I think that definitely worked.

1124
01:14:33,892 --> 01:14:36,132
It's just enough where it's like,

1125
01:14:36,132 --> 01:14:38,332
if you're going to post, you're going to, you know what I mean?

1126
01:14:40,032 --> 01:14:51,608
Yeah Dr Orlov from RGB the RGB protocol they created an RGB territory for a while and they they made their posting costs like 10 sets cause they didn

1127
01:14:51,868 --> 01:14:54,128
they didn't want anyone to post in it.

1128
01:14:54,288 --> 01:14:56,368
Or maybe they've made it a hundred thousand sets. I don't know,

1129
01:14:56,508 --> 01:14:59,408
but it was pricey, but it was, it was effective.

1130
01:15:00,048 --> 01:15:02,468
Well, we've been posting it on, on our Twitter.

1131
01:15:02,588 --> 01:15:05,328
So I think that's been helping drive traffic there too.

1132
01:15:05,608 --> 01:15:07,748
So I think that's been helping too as well.

1133
01:15:07,748 --> 01:15:10,468
So anytime somebody posts in the builder's territory,

1134
01:15:10,468 --> 01:15:14,688
we'll also share it on Twitter and then that'll drive traffic there.

1135
01:15:14,908 --> 01:15:15,348
Yeah.

1136
01:15:15,568 --> 01:15:17,008
Zaps and then comments.

1137
01:15:17,448 --> 01:15:21,528
So we've been doing that every time I see like a new builder's post.

1138
01:15:21,788 --> 01:15:22,348
That's it.

1139
01:15:22,408 --> 01:15:22,708
You know,

1140
01:15:22,708 --> 01:15:23,528
that's a legit one,

1141
01:15:23,548 --> 01:15:24,808
not just like a scammy one.

1142
01:15:25,068 --> 01:15:25,828
I'll post,

1143
01:15:25,968 --> 01:15:27,028
I'll post it on Twitter.

1144
01:15:27,028 --> 01:15:27,468
If I,

1145
01:15:27,808 --> 01:15:28,248
if I,

1146
01:15:28,328 --> 01:15:29,508
if I get a chance.

1147
01:15:30,048 --> 01:15:30,248
Cool.

1148
01:15:30,968 --> 01:15:32,288
So I think that's been helping.

1149
01:15:34,168 --> 01:15:34,928
What else?

1150
01:15:35,108 --> 01:15:35,248
Yeah,

1151
01:15:35,268 --> 01:15:35,788
it looks good.

1152
01:15:37,008 --> 01:15:37,448
Yeah.

1153
01:15:37,448 --> 01:15:43,748
good stuff awesome i thought i thought really cool stuff you can do with data now the next one

1154
01:15:43,748 --> 01:15:52,348
is multi-step wallet form what's this yeah uh so our wallet forms before if you wanted if you were

1155
01:15:52,348 --> 01:15:59,068
like attaching albi albi hub or whatever to stacker news to use as your non-custodial wallet you would

1156
01:15:59,068 --> 01:16:04,988
have to like kind of tab through your send setting and then your receive setting so this is like kind

1157
01:16:04,988 --> 01:16:09,968
of what you're more familiar with where it like sort of hand holds you through setting up one

1158
01:16:09,968 --> 01:16:19,448
thing so it's like that sooks that was from ek so socks did um the ability to disable live comments

1159
01:16:19,448 --> 01:16:25,468
uh so that if you don't if you if you find them distracting like comments coming onto your page

1160
01:16:25,468 --> 01:16:29,708
while you're maybe reading or writing i think this is more for someone like

1161
01:16:29,708 --> 01:16:35,308
well specifically requested by optimism who said they sometimes will keep it they'll be writing a

1162
01:16:35,308 --> 01:16:40,148
long comment doing lots of research that makes sense for him yeah and they don't want to get

1163
01:16:40,148 --> 01:16:46,868
yeah because he writes those really long posts i could see that um i find i find them very like

1164
01:16:46,868 --> 01:16:51,068
like especially at night because i like browsing secret news at night like when i'm here in the

1165
01:16:51,068 --> 01:16:55,348
lab and i'm like writing something or whatever and then i'll see it pop up it's like super cool

1166
01:16:55,348 --> 01:16:59,548
it's like oh hell yeah like i can talk to somebody yeah it can be it's a little dopamine rush it's

1167
01:16:59,548 --> 01:17:00,808
It's very cool at night.

1168
01:17:01,068 --> 01:17:02,408
Like, good job, Sucks.

1169
01:17:02,448 --> 01:17:04,568
Because at night, that's when it's like the best.

1170
01:17:05,008 --> 01:17:06,608
Because you're not expecting anybody.

1171
01:17:06,928 --> 01:17:08,368
Yeah, you feel kind of alone.

1172
01:17:08,508 --> 01:17:09,228
And then you're like, oh, I'm not alone.

1173
01:17:09,228 --> 01:17:11,088
Yeah, you feel kind of lurkish a little bit.

1174
01:17:11,168 --> 01:17:12,508
But then you're like, oh, I'm not alone.

1175
01:17:12,648 --> 01:17:13,408
Somebody's still up.

1176
01:17:13,648 --> 01:17:15,508
And then if it's somebody you like, you're like, oh, cool.

1177
01:17:15,548 --> 01:17:16,648
Then you start talking to them at night.

1178
01:17:16,668 --> 01:17:17,708
If it's someone you don't like.

1179
01:17:18,628 --> 01:17:19,768
I haven't ran into that problem yet.

1180
01:17:19,768 --> 01:17:20,228
All right.

1181
01:17:20,688 --> 01:17:24,128
Yeah, Snacker News doesn't really, the late night Snacker News is not really

1182
01:17:24,128 --> 01:17:24,428
popping.

1183
01:17:24,588 --> 01:17:26,468
But when it is popping, it's good.

1184
01:17:27,728 --> 01:17:28,168
Occasionally.

1185
01:17:28,468 --> 01:17:28,688
Yeah.

1186
01:17:29,548 --> 01:17:31,408
Okay, so that was one thing.

1187
01:17:31,528 --> 01:17:33,368
The other thing was simple stacker added,

1188
01:17:33,928 --> 01:17:36,088
a table of contents markdown.

1189
01:17:36,908 --> 01:17:37,008
Cool.

1190
01:17:37,128 --> 01:17:39,488
Just kind of a neat thing.

1191
01:17:39,488 --> 01:17:41,268
Fixed any ability of set a cursor limit.

1192
01:17:41,648 --> 01:17:41,928
Yeah.

1193
01:17:42,328 --> 01:17:43,988
Added support for GitHub code spaces.

1194
01:17:44,208 --> 01:17:45,248
What else?

1195
01:17:45,368 --> 01:17:46,448
When are you adding some cool stuff?

1196
01:17:47,148 --> 01:17:47,668
Cool stuff?

1197
01:17:47,728 --> 01:17:48,768
Cool stuff should be back.

1198
01:17:49,028 --> 01:17:53,528
I'm hoping we can do some experimental stuff in September.

1199
01:17:54,088 --> 01:17:54,548
What's coming?

1200
01:17:54,988 --> 01:17:55,588
Do you have a taste?

1201
01:17:55,888 --> 01:17:57,468
No taste for you, sir.

1202
01:17:58,328 --> 01:17:58,608
What are you?

1203
01:17:58,608 --> 01:18:00,148
One of them is going to be a private beta.

1204
01:18:00,828 --> 01:18:04,648
And then the other one, which probably won't release until the end of the day,

1205
01:18:04,688 --> 01:18:07,488
the other stuff should be more some of the territory stuff that we've talked about.

1206
01:18:07,488 --> 01:18:11,908
Ooh, maybe you should come to the Yucatan and do some territory announcements.

1207
01:18:12,948 --> 01:18:13,348
No.

1208
01:18:14,268 --> 01:18:15,868
I won't do any announcements.

1209
01:18:16,368 --> 01:18:19,928
If I go to the Yucatan, I'm there to lie on the beach, you know.

1210
01:18:20,408 --> 01:18:20,748
Party.

1211
01:18:20,828 --> 01:18:21,328
I'm there to party.

1212
01:18:21,428 --> 01:18:23,968
I'm going to Starve Day Cancun.

1213
01:18:24,168 --> 01:18:25,388
You guys might be to Starve Day.

1214
01:18:25,508 --> 01:18:26,608
So go to Starve Day.

1215
01:18:27,088 --> 01:18:27,748
Starve Day.

1216
01:18:28,608 --> 01:18:30,468
Yucatan and then party with Muzz.

1217
01:18:30,788 --> 01:18:31,228
There you go.

1218
01:18:32,228 --> 01:18:33,268
Does Muzz know how to party?

1219
01:18:33,388 --> 01:18:34,528
Yeah, he knows how to party, dude.

1220
01:18:36,068 --> 01:18:36,788
Yeah, cool.

1221
01:18:37,768 --> 01:18:39,388
And then we got, what else do we got here?

1222
01:18:40,148 --> 01:18:42,208
Oh, we got some comments here.

1223
01:18:43,808 --> 01:18:44,948
Simple Stacker said,

1224
01:18:45,068 --> 01:18:46,628
highlighting YouTube comments is cool.

1225
01:18:47,308 --> 01:18:49,208
I wonder if there are any people who watch us know

1226
01:18:49,208 --> 01:18:51,328
on YouTube other platforms but aren't active on us.

1227
01:18:52,188 --> 01:18:52,548
Probably.

1228
01:18:53,288 --> 01:18:54,988
I'll just say I'd wager most of those bots

1229
01:18:54,988 --> 01:18:55,908
are not on Stacker News.

1230
01:18:57,088 --> 01:18:57,328
Cool.

1231
01:18:57,328 --> 01:18:59,088
what else we got

1232
01:18:59,088 --> 01:19:02,548
we got a new zine this week

1233
01:19:02,548 --> 01:19:04,368
it's called the Sovereignty zine

1234
01:19:04,368 --> 01:19:04,888
Keon

1235
01:19:04,888 --> 01:19:08,508
oh I barely saw the S and Z on there

1236
01:19:08,508 --> 01:19:10,868
what do you think about this one

1237
01:19:10,868 --> 01:19:12,308
yeah looks like

1238
01:19:12,308 --> 01:19:14,848
I like the topic I like sovereignty as a topic

1239
01:19:14,848 --> 01:19:16,048
how nice

1240
01:19:16,048 --> 01:19:18,348
you're either moving towards sovereignty

1241
01:19:18,348 --> 01:19:19,648
or moving away from it

1242
01:19:19,648 --> 01:19:22,188
check it out

1243
01:19:22,188 --> 01:19:23,628
you can read the web version

1244
01:19:23,628 --> 01:19:24,268
or

1245
01:19:24,268 --> 01:19:26,148
hardcore

1246
01:19:26,148 --> 01:19:31,468
With free shipping, you can get the print version.

1247
01:19:31,588 --> 01:19:31,988
Oh, wow.

1248
01:19:32,088 --> 01:19:33,368
What did you make these?

1249
01:19:37,488 --> 01:19:38,708
Oh, I love this.

1250
01:19:39,248 --> 01:19:40,388
Oh, man, this is so poet.

1251
01:19:41,728 --> 01:19:41,988
Yeah.

1252
01:19:41,988 --> 01:19:42,268
Awesome.

1253
01:19:44,388 --> 01:19:46,648
Yeah, you can read the web version or you can purchase the print.

1254
01:19:47,228 --> 01:19:48,068
Check it out, Snackers.

1255
01:19:49,728 --> 01:19:52,628
Let me zap.

1256
01:19:53,268 --> 01:19:53,888
There you go.

1257
01:19:53,888 --> 01:20:03,308
um the next one is what do we got uh the next one is fountain boost so fountain boost from last

1258
01:20:03,308 --> 01:20:09,848
week's episode on this one said economists give money far less thought than you could comprehend

1259
01:20:09,848 --> 01:20:13,748
what do you think about that keyon um

1260
01:20:13,748 --> 01:20:21,868
yeah i mean i it seems that way but i'm surprised that it is that way

1261
01:20:21,868 --> 01:20:24,488
I would think that it's

1262
01:20:24,488 --> 01:20:26,508
one of the main things that I think about

1263
01:20:26,508 --> 01:20:27,348
I feel like there's like

1264
01:20:27,348 --> 01:20:30,168
it's like the pillar, well it's my pillar

1265
01:20:30,168 --> 01:20:32,448
but maybe just because I'm a Bitcoin person

1266
01:20:32,448 --> 01:20:34,148
and I think about money a lot

1267
01:20:34,148 --> 01:20:35,728
It kind of goes back to what I was saying earlier

1268
01:20:35,728 --> 01:20:37,528
strong dollar, strong boomer

1269
01:20:37,528 --> 01:20:39,188
Blockchain boog, zap

1270
01:20:39,188 --> 01:20:42,248
and then great Ruby, thank you for the zaps

1271
01:20:42,248 --> 01:20:44,628
We had some YouTube comments

1272
01:20:44,628 --> 01:20:46,228
This one was from Lucas

1273
01:20:46,228 --> 01:20:48,408
He said, hi guys, regarding your comment on this government

1274
01:20:48,408 --> 01:20:49,908
being a baby steps kind of guy

1275
01:20:49,908 --> 01:20:57,048
Let me tell you that he does not hold a majority on the Senate, and the way government works here, this means he has his hands tied.

1276
01:20:57,728 --> 01:21:06,728
Regarding on what he can do, he initially proposed a big package of reforms that the Senate rejected and had to be watered down a lot in order to get some of it approved.

1277
01:21:07,348 --> 01:21:15,188
I think he is also tippy-toeing around the issue since we have legislative elections on October, which allowed him more leeway if he wins.

1278
01:21:15,508 --> 01:21:16,948
Great video. Greetings from Argentina.

1279
01:21:17,368 --> 01:21:18,548
Oh, thanks so much.

1280
01:21:18,548 --> 01:21:23,448
there you go we got some insight so yeah i guess we don't know what we're talking about so we need

1281
01:21:23,448 --> 01:21:26,488
to shut up we definitely don't i definitely don't know what's going on argentina but it's

1282
01:21:26,488 --> 01:21:34,028
cool to hear um there you go um thanks for the insight lucas uh from the ground i guess we um

1283
01:21:34,028 --> 01:21:42,468
you cue our mouth shots hey you learn every day next one was from um marogo whatever he says we

1284
01:21:42,468 --> 01:21:47,488
all get btc at the price we deserve uh still respect anyone who admits they're wrong they're

1285
01:21:47,488 --> 01:21:49,568
still very early in the global adoption cycle.

1286
01:21:49,708 --> 01:21:51,788
One million by 2029 seems very likely.

1287
01:21:52,788 --> 01:21:55,528
This was from the Kenneth Rogoff one.

1288
01:21:56,608 --> 01:21:57,548
I don't remember that one.

1289
01:21:57,648 --> 01:22:00,188
Oh, that was the Harvard one, the guy who went back.

1290
01:22:02,148 --> 01:22:03,308
Any thoughts on that, Keon?

1291
01:22:05,248 --> 01:22:09,668
Yeah, I don't think he admitted he was wrong in a humble way.

1292
01:22:09,668 --> 01:22:14,328
So I don't think there's any respect to be dealt to him

1293
01:22:14,328 --> 01:22:16,028
for admitting he was wrong.

1294
01:22:16,028 --> 01:22:18,128
Did you hear about that UFO guy from Harvard?

1295
01:22:18,668 --> 01:22:21,348
The same guy who predicted the...

1296
01:22:21,348 --> 01:22:25,128
Remember that little, like, the asteroid or whatever?

1297
01:22:25,248 --> 01:22:29,048
There was, like, some asteroid that was flying through the solar system.

1298
01:22:29,128 --> 01:22:29,908
Did you hear about that, Ted?

1299
01:22:32,448 --> 01:22:32,848
Yeah.

1300
01:22:33,048 --> 01:22:34,168
It's like a flying...

1301
01:22:34,168 --> 01:22:38,088
And now there's, like, another UFO that's, like, coming through the solar...

1302
01:22:38,088 --> 01:22:39,028
Did you hear about that?

1303
01:22:39,768 --> 01:22:40,628
Can you come talk about it?

1304
01:22:40,808 --> 01:22:41,588
I can't talk about it.

1305
01:22:42,788 --> 01:22:44,908
Okay, Ted's going to come talk about a UFO thing.

1306
01:22:44,908 --> 01:22:48,128
I have a friend who I know from my space lab days.

1307
01:22:48,228 --> 01:22:49,728
The two of us would work side by side.

1308
01:22:50,228 --> 01:22:53,808
And he is convinced it's a UFO.

1309
01:22:54,028 --> 01:22:58,308
He doesn't see any other plausible explanation as to why that Okinawa or.

1310
01:22:58,648 --> 01:22:59,728
Yeah, this guy right here.

1311
01:22:59,868 --> 01:23:02,528
The one that's flying through our solar system.

1312
01:23:02,568 --> 01:23:03,548
Well, he was the same.

1313
01:23:03,848 --> 01:23:05,528
It's also a Harvard guy.

1314
01:23:05,748 --> 01:23:06,368
Is it similar?

1315
01:23:07,848 --> 01:23:09,108
This thing right here.

1316
01:23:12,008 --> 01:23:13,008
This thing right here.

1317
01:23:13,008 --> 01:23:14,048
Is it a comet?

1318
01:23:14,908 --> 01:23:19,528
yeah so there's something that's flying but i think this is it that's our flying through our

1319
01:23:19,528 --> 01:23:23,588
solar system i think it's a video there it goes right there so apparently there's so there's a

1320
01:23:23,588 --> 01:23:27,708
harvard guy who was wrong about bitcoin and then there's a harvard guy who was like predicting this

1321
01:23:27,708 --> 01:23:32,308
like oh with now a thing and then there's another harvard guy who's telling there's a alien space

1322
01:23:32,308 --> 01:23:36,488
crash at the edge of our solar system it's the same guy oh it's the same guy with the bitcoin

1323
01:23:36,488 --> 01:23:40,728
prediction not the bitcoin prediction oh you scroll down just a little bit yes what nasa says

1324
01:23:40,728 --> 01:23:42,188
what is NASA saying?

1325
01:23:43,968 --> 01:23:44,768
It's fast.

1326
01:23:45,648 --> 01:23:47,108
Yeah, that's kind of what they

1327
01:23:47,108 --> 01:23:49,668
and I think it accelerated was why they

1328
01:23:49,668 --> 01:23:51,748
Yeah, the last one accelerated

1329
01:23:51,748 --> 01:23:53,148
in the wrong direction.

1330
01:23:53,368 --> 01:23:54,648
Well, it's because you're looking at VR.

1331
01:23:54,928 --> 01:23:56,088
Is it towards the sun or?

1332
01:23:56,488 --> 01:23:58,308
Oh, there it goes right there.

1333
01:23:58,308 --> 01:23:59,128
I think was the issue.

1334
01:24:00,088 --> 01:24:00,708
There it goes.

1335
01:24:00,928 --> 01:24:04,388
What my friend thinks is that it's a solar sail.

1336
01:24:04,968 --> 01:24:05,888
What does that mean?

1337
01:24:06,728 --> 01:24:08,688
It's basically just a sail

1338
01:24:08,688 --> 01:24:10,548
like a large flat object.

1339
01:24:10,728 --> 01:24:11,988
Light pushes it.

1340
01:24:12,248 --> 01:24:13,228
That's basically what it means.

1341
01:24:13,408 --> 01:24:15,108
Wind pushes a sail of a boat.

1342
01:24:15,788 --> 01:24:17,528
Light from the sun.

1343
01:24:17,608 --> 01:24:18,628
Can you speak English, please?

1344
01:24:19,068 --> 01:24:22,668
It's a large piece of paper, like a flat piece of paper.

1345
01:24:23,508 --> 01:24:23,748
Okay.

1346
01:24:24,148 --> 01:24:28,488
And that is clearly not a natural object that would form something like that.

1347
01:24:28,548 --> 01:24:30,788
We don't know of any sort of way that, for example.

1348
01:24:30,948 --> 01:24:31,648
That's what you're saying?

1349
01:24:32,708 --> 01:24:34,408
That right there, that Ted Williams tunnel.

1350
01:24:35,908 --> 01:24:36,628
Oh, crap.

1351
01:24:36,688 --> 01:24:37,528
It's the size of Manhattan.

1352
01:24:37,528 --> 01:24:44,408
oh i guess they're just doing size comparison i mean this says i think we didn't know the other

1353
01:24:44,408 --> 01:24:50,088
one was weird until it started accelerating out of the solar system because i think it was maybe

1354
01:24:50,088 --> 01:24:54,068
accelerating in which is what you'd expect as it's going closer to the sun but then the fact

1355
01:24:54,068 --> 01:25:00,468
that it started accelerating out was the question mark um we did know that was an interstellar

1356
01:25:00,468 --> 01:25:05,468
object so it's coming from outside the solar system but that could come from the kuiper belt

1357
01:25:05,468 --> 01:25:07,188
or other things that are very deep space.

1358
01:25:07,188 --> 01:25:09,808
That guy right there, that's the guy who predicted Bitcoin's price wrong?

1359
01:25:10,268 --> 01:25:10,608
No.

1360
01:25:11,728 --> 01:25:13,688
I also wouldn't give too much credence

1361
01:25:13,688 --> 01:25:17,408
in terms of their ability to predict Bitcoin versus their...

1362
01:25:17,408 --> 01:25:20,808
Oh, so you're saying they're not the same.

1363
01:25:21,108 --> 01:25:22,728
So you're saying that's two different things.

1364
01:25:22,968 --> 01:25:23,648
Two different things.

1365
01:25:23,928 --> 01:25:25,908
But I mean, there's maybe something to be...

1366
01:25:25,908 --> 01:25:28,468
Because Harvard's still a reputable place, isn't it?

1367
01:25:29,068 --> 01:25:31,468
Yeah, I mean, I would look at more of the JPL guys

1368
01:25:31,468 --> 01:25:38,888
guys or john hopkins uh or or university of colorado has elon talked about this or the star

1369
01:25:38,888 --> 01:25:44,288
talk guy i'm sure the best info on things like this but a lot of it's just like we are limited

1370
01:25:44,288 --> 01:25:48,168
in our like ability to observe it because all we're looking at is the light bouncing off of it

1371
01:25:48,168 --> 01:25:55,128
so we're kind of getting like a 2d snapshot of this thing and um we like to think that oh yeah

1372
01:25:55,128 --> 01:26:00,128
we just have all the best sensors and we do but it's still just like a really pixelated photograph

1373
01:26:00,128 --> 01:26:02,708
that we're getting, just a few pixels on this stuff.

1374
01:26:03,228 --> 01:26:04,068
It's dark.

1375
01:26:04,188 --> 01:26:10,348
It's a dark blob of rock, not much reflectiveness

1376
01:26:10,348 --> 01:26:12,328
unless there's a lot of water composition in there.

1377
01:26:12,808 --> 01:26:14,988
There's no sort of gravitational distortion

1378
01:26:14,988 --> 01:26:16,828
that we can see with a small object.

1379
01:26:17,008 --> 01:26:18,608
So we're kind of just relying on the light

1380
01:26:18,608 --> 01:26:19,608
that bounces off of it.

1381
01:26:21,628 --> 01:26:23,408
Yeah, I don't know what to think, honestly.

1382
01:26:23,808 --> 01:26:27,408
Yeah, and all of that science is pretty young

1383
01:26:27,408 --> 01:26:28,388
as far as I understand.

1384
01:26:28,388 --> 01:26:29,988
Yeah, so

1385
01:26:29,988 --> 01:26:32,608
Also don't trust this guy, dude

1386
01:26:32,608 --> 01:26:34,128
I mean, pleb spidey sense

1387
01:26:34,128 --> 01:26:37,308
I'll go on all over the place here

1388
01:26:37,308 --> 01:26:38,188
Do not trust that guy

1389
01:26:38,188 --> 01:26:40,788
I'm sure he has a family

1390
01:26:40,788 --> 01:26:42,868
I'm sure he's great, but pleb spidey sense going off

1391
01:26:42,868 --> 01:26:45,048
Do not trust him

1392
01:26:45,048 --> 01:26:47,388
I definitely do not trust astrophysicists

1393
01:26:47,388 --> 01:26:48,948
I mean, look at him, he kind of looks like

1394
01:26:48,948 --> 01:26:50,628
The same guy who gave us COVID, remember?

1395
01:26:50,788 --> 01:26:51,488
What's that guy's name?

1396
01:26:52,688 --> 01:26:53,588
Anthony Fauci

1397
01:26:53,588 --> 01:26:54,648
Yeah, he looks like Fauci

1398
01:26:54,648 --> 01:26:55,808
Do not trust anything

1399
01:26:55,808 --> 01:26:57,708
I think he's just roughly this image and his clean

1400
01:26:57,708 --> 01:26:59,728
store in a suit and maybe has

1401
01:26:59,728 --> 01:27:01,768
similar glasses. No, you want

1402
01:27:01,768 --> 01:27:03,788
bearded. If you're a physicist and

1403
01:27:03,788 --> 01:27:05,788
you don't have a beard, like you're kind of a junior

1404
01:27:05,788 --> 01:27:07,688
physicist, you got to, once you get a big

1405
01:27:07,688 --> 01:27:09,608
white kind of unkept beard

1406
01:27:09,608 --> 01:27:11,648
and generally like they don't like to be on

1407
01:27:11,648 --> 01:27:13,648
TV and when they do, they don't make any sense and they kind of

1408
01:27:13,648 --> 01:27:15,808
scare the journalist. I'm not trusting anything this guy's telling me.

1409
01:27:16,468 --> 01:27:17,668
So this is the guy that brought

1410
01:27:17,668 --> 01:27:19,028
us this. He's probably

1411
01:27:19,028 --> 01:27:21,528
the other guy is like, he's the guy who's

1412
01:27:21,528 --> 01:27:23,388
like presentable. But Harvard's like not,

1413
01:27:23,748 --> 01:27:25,588
I mean, they probably have great astrophysicists,

1414
01:27:25,588 --> 01:27:29,648
but they're maybe not the best in terms of experimental physics or like

1415
01:27:29,648 --> 01:27:30,448
telescope people.

1416
01:27:30,448 --> 01:27:33,408
So like you kind of want a combination of the telescope people and the.

1417
01:27:33,848 --> 01:27:37,628
Isn't it Princeton that has the better theoretical physics department?

1418
01:27:38,188 --> 01:27:40,208
Princeton was where Einstein worked,

1419
01:27:40,268 --> 01:27:42,008
I believe either Princeton or Cornell.

1420
01:27:44,148 --> 01:27:45,628
But this isn't astro,

1421
01:27:45,628 --> 01:27:46,628
that's not astrophysics.

1422
01:27:46,788 --> 01:27:47,168
So it doesn't matter.

1423
01:27:47,168 --> 01:27:47,868
My old university,

1424
01:27:48,008 --> 01:27:48,748
university of Colorado,

1425
01:27:48,848 --> 01:27:51,128
they had the most astronauts coming out of it,

1426
01:27:51,328 --> 01:27:52,488
but maybe not the best.

1427
01:27:52,888 --> 01:27:53,148
Like,

1428
01:27:53,548 --> 01:27:53,768
I mean,

1429
01:27:53,768 --> 01:27:54,948
you basically want JPL.

1430
01:27:54,948 --> 01:28:02,328
and like it divides based on discipline so within space there's many different areas and astrophysics

1431
01:28:02,328 --> 01:28:07,808
is one area and then that divides like do you care more about planets you care more about

1432
01:28:07,808 --> 01:28:11,688
thinking about dark energy in which case you're more of just like a mathematician

1433
01:28:11,688 --> 01:28:18,748
kind of person yeah um and there's a it's i've been in some amazing heated debates between

1434
01:28:18,748 --> 01:28:21,548
theoretical physicists

1435
01:28:21,548 --> 01:28:23,268
and experimental physicists

1436
01:28:23,268 --> 01:28:25,848
and they just like tear each other to shreds

1437
01:28:25,848 --> 01:28:27,668
but they're both very founded in like

1438
01:28:27,668 --> 01:28:29,848
being rational and logical

1439
01:28:29,848 --> 01:28:31,108
and they're also extremely intelligent

1440
01:28:31,108 --> 01:28:33,088
but man they get into

1441
01:28:33,088 --> 01:28:35,808
oh so he's saying the market will

1442
01:28:35,808 --> 01:28:36,428
crash

1443
01:28:36,428 --> 01:28:39,968
the markets will crash if it proves to be

1444
01:28:39,968 --> 01:28:40,208
true

1445
01:28:40,208 --> 01:28:43,388
oh man this feels like a setup

1446
01:28:43,388 --> 01:28:45,708
what evidence do they know

1447
01:28:45,708 --> 01:28:47,488
of this being a pro that's what I'm saying like

1448
01:28:47,488 --> 01:28:52,848
this just feels like flat this feels like a fauci thing already like this just i'm sorry my plebs

1449
01:28:52,848 --> 01:28:57,488
body sense is going off right now i just can't trust it yeah i think i think it's supposed to

1450
01:28:57,488 --> 01:29:08,648
fly very close to venus i think um in october and then oh wait in october yeah here it is um

1451
01:29:08,648 --> 01:29:14,708
that's a trajectory of it i don't know if that's obviously uh all of those things will be moving

1452
01:29:14,708 --> 01:29:16,328
and so I think during

1453
01:29:16,328 --> 01:29:18,588
the earth will be on the exact

1454
01:29:18,588 --> 01:29:20,408
the other side of the sun when it

1455
01:29:20,408 --> 01:29:21,348
passes

1456
01:29:21,348 --> 01:29:24,108
where we could view it

1457
01:29:24,108 --> 01:29:26,528
is the other thing

1458
01:29:26,528 --> 01:29:27,948
have you seen this comment thing

1459
01:29:27,948 --> 01:29:30,028
we might have something

1460
01:29:30,028 --> 01:29:31,128
have you seen this

1461
01:29:31,128 --> 01:29:34,648
we got another UFO

1462
01:29:34,648 --> 01:29:36,268
have you seen this UFO thing

1463
01:29:36,268 --> 01:29:38,608
another one

1464
01:29:38,608 --> 01:29:39,028
yeah

1465
01:29:39,028 --> 01:29:41,668
no it's the second one

1466
01:29:41,668 --> 01:29:42,848
he said another one

1467
01:29:42,848 --> 01:29:48,828
yeah wait have you not heard about this in october well it's not

1468
01:29:48,828 --> 01:29:54,948
yeah no but it's going to venus though it's not coming it's coming to startup day

1469
01:29:54,948 --> 01:29:59,988
someone ordered for the wrong look up location dropped it in on the wrong planet

1470
01:29:59,988 --> 01:30:05,508
anyways although you gotta say like if they are aliens and they're all coming from the same place

1471
01:30:05,508 --> 01:30:09,728
like and you're looking at the solar system like it could be venus could be mars could be earth

1472
01:30:09,728 --> 01:30:11,868
Venus and Earth, there's both

1473
01:30:11,868 --> 01:30:13,868
atmospheres, so they're able to see atmospheres.

1474
01:30:14,588 --> 01:30:15,748
I could see why an alien

1475
01:30:15,748 --> 01:30:17,948
civilization would send a probe to each planet.

1476
01:30:18,388 --> 01:30:19,988
They wouldn't do a fake invasion,

1477
01:30:20,048 --> 01:30:21,488
you think? They wouldn't do a fake invasion.

1478
01:30:21,508 --> 01:30:23,688
Maybe it's just a probe. They're just trying to get

1479
01:30:23,688 --> 01:30:26,088
a couple... I think Ted and I are more on the side of aliens

1480
01:30:26,088 --> 01:30:27,628
and you're more on the side the government

1481
01:30:27,628 --> 01:30:29,808
is doing a psyop. I don't think it would be

1482
01:30:29,808 --> 01:30:31,928
the government. That's the thing. I don't think it would be the government.

1483
01:30:32,228 --> 01:30:33,828
What do you think? You think the aliens are doing

1484
01:30:33,828 --> 01:30:35,868
a psyop? No, I think it would... I actually think...

1485
01:30:35,868 --> 01:30:37,828
No, you guys think it would be the government.

1486
01:30:37,828 --> 01:30:38,908
I don't think it would be the government.

1487
01:30:39,028 --> 01:30:40,468
I think it would be like deep state.

1488
01:30:41,588 --> 01:30:43,888
Oh, I think those, I, I, I think it would,

1489
01:30:44,088 --> 01:30:45,788
I think it would be a well coordinated,

1490
01:30:45,788 --> 01:30:50,668
like multinational, like group effort around the world.

1491
01:30:50,828 --> 01:30:50,908
Yeah.

1492
01:30:51,628 --> 01:30:51,868
Deep.

1493
01:30:52,188 --> 01:30:52,348
Yeah.

1494
01:30:52,368 --> 01:30:53,628
The same people that brought you COVID.

1495
01:30:54,088 --> 01:30:55,728
It would be like those people.

1496
01:30:56,028 --> 01:30:56,548
Oh, I see.

1497
01:30:56,668 --> 01:30:56,888
Yeah.

1498
01:30:56,888 --> 01:30:58,848
But I think I'm more in the camp of,

1499
01:30:58,988 --> 01:31:01,288
I prefer thinking about this actually being aliens.

1500
01:31:01,928 --> 01:31:02,148
Like that.

1501
01:31:02,388 --> 01:31:02,668
Nah.

1502
01:31:03,848 --> 01:31:04,208
Yeah.

1503
01:31:04,988 --> 01:31:05,588
I wish.

1504
01:31:05,588 --> 01:31:06,568
Do you think they have eyes?

1505
01:31:07,368 --> 01:31:07,728
Oh, no.

1506
01:31:07,828 --> 01:31:13,868
If they did, they probably would, it would be like a, it wouldn't be like an actual entity.

1507
01:31:13,868 --> 01:31:17,248
It would be like a, you know, it would be like a robots or something.

1508
01:31:17,668 --> 01:31:18,048
Yeah.

1509
01:31:18,288 --> 01:31:18,568
Yeah.

1510
01:31:18,868 --> 01:31:19,088
Yeah.

1511
01:31:19,088 --> 01:31:20,008
That'd be, that's right.

1512
01:31:20,108 --> 01:31:21,408
I mean, what would you think it would be?

1513
01:31:21,648 --> 01:31:23,308
I'm just like, so heartbroken.

1514
01:31:23,408 --> 01:31:26,168
We didn't get more pictures of that first UFO.

1515
01:31:26,608 --> 01:31:29,688
Like, I really hope we get something out there for the second one.

1516
01:31:30,428 --> 01:31:30,828
But.

1517
01:31:31,188 --> 01:31:35,248
Cause it's just like the nearest star is what Alpha Centauri is like 20 light years away.

1518
01:31:35,428 --> 01:31:35,668
Right.

1519
01:31:35,988 --> 01:31:36,308
2.7.

1520
01:31:36,468 --> 01:31:37,108
2.7.

1521
01:31:37,228 --> 01:31:37,428
Yeah.

1522
01:31:37,428 --> 01:31:42,068
so like that's where it would come from it wouldn't no i mean this could be you know it

1523
01:31:42,068 --> 01:31:46,168
could be ancient i watch a lot of like star trek and stuff it could be this could be like something

1524
01:31:46,168 --> 01:31:53,448
that's been floating around the uh the galaxy or the what do we call it the universe for uh for

1525
01:31:53,448 --> 01:31:59,248
billions of years even it'd be a very early alien species that sent out a probe that's just gathering

1526
01:31:59,248 --> 01:32:04,508
data or or maybe it was like archiving maybe it was our old maybe it was like mars and that sent

1527
01:32:04,508 --> 01:32:08,668
it out like before we were uh yeah exactly it could have been us they would have had to aim it

1528
01:32:08,668 --> 01:32:13,228
though like if it is coming from an intelligence like the odds of just hitting a solar system

1529
01:32:13,228 --> 01:32:17,308
yeah but what they send out a bajillion what if it has like some kind of intelligent

1530
01:32:17,308 --> 01:32:24,508
like machine intelligent sort of um like self-direction it's so hard to self-direct

1531
01:32:24,508 --> 01:32:31,188
like like like the scales are so large right that like and like if you're just flying through

1532
01:32:31,188 --> 01:32:33,628
deep space. You want to slingshot

1533
01:32:33,628 --> 01:32:35,648
your way to places. Maybe they've got special

1534
01:32:35,648 --> 01:32:36,848
technology. Did you ever see the movie Sphere?

1535
01:32:37,848 --> 01:32:38,948
Making it to us.

1536
01:32:39,148 --> 01:32:40,988
This is where I'm glad I watched so many movies.

1537
01:32:41,648 --> 01:32:42,888
Did you ever see the movie Sphere?

1538
01:32:44,368 --> 01:32:45,828
Yeah, the movie Sphere.

1539
01:32:45,828 --> 01:32:46,348
I see.

1540
01:32:46,508 --> 01:32:48,148
The movie Sphere,

1541
01:32:48,668 --> 01:32:51,408
they basically sent them...

1542
01:32:51,408 --> 01:32:53,608
It was basically us

1543
01:32:53,608 --> 01:32:55,908
that sent our own spaceship

1544
01:32:55,908 --> 01:32:56,988
back around to us.

1545
01:32:58,308 --> 01:32:58,828
Yeah.

1546
01:33:01,188 --> 01:33:08,088
oh sorry yeah i hope it's ufos it's probably not i don't think we'll see i don't know but

1547
01:33:08,088 --> 01:33:12,208
this guy looks like fauci i mean it's still fucking weird that that last one was accelerating

1548
01:33:12,208 --> 01:33:18,448
like we don't have an answer to that and that's like very annoying it's very like in your face

1549
01:33:18,448 --> 01:33:23,808
too where it's like what this one the the other one the other one amoralist like all they have

1550
01:33:23,808 --> 01:33:30,728
is like doffler shift right the omanoa basically um that one right there i think we're pretty

1551
01:33:30,728 --> 01:33:37,488
confident that it was accelerating i assume a doppler shift but that seems like a pretty

1552
01:33:37,488 --> 01:33:42,908
so this one just flew away we never got to see it is what you're saying no we we saw it but we just

1553
01:33:42,908 --> 01:33:47,708
only saw so much we only gathered so much information so if there could be some other

1554
01:33:47,708 --> 01:33:53,088
cause of the doppler shift like it's emitting light behind it that makes us think it's accelerating

1555
01:33:53,088 --> 01:33:59,228
but it's yeah it's kicked on the after burner or something yeah uh or who knows oh i didn't

1556
01:33:59,228 --> 01:34:04,048
realize that one even came that close yeah it came real close and then just booked it out of

1557
01:34:04,048 --> 01:34:09,128
there and also we're not even oh there it goes that that was the shape that's the thing like

1558
01:34:09,128 --> 01:34:14,028
that was what it did there's an argument yeah it's like yo see you later earth people argue

1559
01:34:14,028 --> 01:34:21,968
if it's cool cylindrical or if it's a flat piece of paper but the the argument against it being up

1560
01:34:21,968 --> 01:34:26,728
it looks like it picks some it looks like it picks somebody up bro it's like yeah freak off

1561
01:34:26,728 --> 01:34:31,688
her that's what it literally they literally pick somebody up it's like who disappeared it's like

1562
01:34:31,688 --> 01:34:36,408
it's like it's like hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy here right now so it's like hitchhiker's

1563
01:34:36,408 --> 01:34:40,448
guide of the galaxy went like this it's like if he reappears right when the next one comes then

1564
01:34:40,448 --> 01:34:44,368
it looks like it totally picks somebody up it's like give me off of her oh it comes back is what

1565
01:34:44,368 --> 01:34:48,728
you're saying like maybe it's the same object yeah maybe it's like maybe this other one's picking

1566
01:34:48,728 --> 01:34:53,508
the rest of those people up too dropping them off at school and coming and picking them up

1567
01:34:53,508 --> 01:34:54,568
It's like, see you later.

1568
01:34:55,348 --> 01:34:57,908
One of the reasons I'm so excited about Starship

1569
01:34:57,908 --> 01:35:00,748
is that we'll be able to put these large telescopes

1570
01:35:00,748 --> 01:35:02,028
behind the moon.

1571
01:35:03,168 --> 01:35:03,688
Yeah.

1572
01:35:05,488 --> 01:35:07,628
Yeah, this is picking somebody up.

1573
01:35:07,768 --> 01:35:09,608
There are probably other things that do that.

1574
01:35:09,828 --> 01:35:12,068
So like on the background of that.

1575
01:35:12,068 --> 01:35:13,008
That was the first.

1576
01:35:13,408 --> 01:35:14,488
That's the first one.

1577
01:35:15,008 --> 01:35:17,608
Like they see them exiting off Earth.

1578
01:35:18,488 --> 01:35:19,688
That's a slingshot.

1579
01:35:20,668 --> 01:35:23,268
But we've only been looking for like 100 years.

1580
01:35:23,508 --> 01:35:30,748
yeah oh that's what that looked like oh well so that's the debate is it's a grain it's like a

1581
01:35:30,748 --> 01:35:35,968
rice grain yeah so we don't actually know uncle ben's there's an argument that that's actually

1582
01:35:35,968 --> 01:35:42,688
flat and it we're just looking at an angle and so it looks like it's a cylinder that that's the

1583
01:35:42,688 --> 01:35:46,528
argument of my friend and then of course these renders are based if you actually look at the

1584
01:35:46,528 --> 01:35:51,848
source data it's like yeah they're you cannot distill this much data from it i mean it's just

1585
01:35:51,848 --> 01:35:53,828
like what it would look like if it was a reasonable

1586
01:35:53,828 --> 01:35:55,768
asteroid. I mean, honestly, like it

1587
01:35:55,768 --> 01:35:57,268
kind of looks like the

1588
01:35:57,268 --> 01:35:59,868
what is it? The Cash App

1589
01:35:59,868 --> 01:36:01,948
wallet? Oh, it's a BitKey.

1590
01:36:02,188 --> 01:36:02,708
The BitKey?

1591
01:36:04,288 --> 01:36:04,628
What?

1592
01:36:05,468 --> 01:36:07,248
It looks more like a ledger to me.

1593
01:36:08,248 --> 01:36:09,608
No, but I'm saying like I feel like

1594
01:36:09,608 --> 01:36:11,108
the more technology gets

1595
01:36:11,108 --> 01:36:13,728
advanced, it's going to start looking more

1596
01:36:13,728 --> 01:36:15,488
like just like rocks. That's like that.

1597
01:36:15,548 --> 01:36:17,428
Like pebbles and stuff. Oh, I see what you're saying.

1598
01:36:17,868 --> 01:36:19,808
Yeah. It's like that stone that appeared

1599
01:36:19,808 --> 01:36:21,828
with the monkeys, that big square.

1600
01:36:21,848 --> 01:36:25,328
stone that looks like a monolith yeah that's probably what it was

1601
01:36:25,328 --> 01:36:33,288
yeah and we missed it dude what if it's like a fossilized alien dick and it's just a huge

1602
01:36:33,288 --> 01:36:39,068
yeah what's going on with you this is huge every week it's just getting more sexual what's going on

1603
01:36:39,068 --> 01:36:46,348
thinking maybe i just see all right let's let's let's end the show um i think that's i think

1604
01:36:46,348 --> 01:36:50,988
that's everything we got um oh yeah we gotta do the top snackers real quick top snackers

1605
01:36:50,988 --> 01:36:55,348
you want to put on your hat oh top cowboys man oh yeah top cowboys

1606
01:36:55,348 --> 01:37:05,528
key on top cowboys siggy 47 koo blockchain boo gray ruby uh yeah lots of exciting no change

1607
01:37:05,528 --> 01:37:13,028
optimism 12 so ot carter so unchained that's nick carter for people that are wondering

1608
01:37:13,028 --> 01:37:24,008
um sox simple stacker case on webster go cowboys okay but poet uh philippe i feel like pleb poets

1609
01:37:24,008 --> 01:37:35,768
moved up i mean uh hard money yeah usual suspects albie nertoninja clr dot yeah pretty good pretty

1610
01:37:35,768 --> 01:37:41,568
good stuff and that's all of them i didn't even break it this week there you are you were like 90

1611
01:37:42,028 --> 01:37:42,728
Oh, there you go.

1612
01:37:42,868 --> 01:37:44,368
Yeah, it's been busy this week.

1613
01:37:44,968 --> 01:37:45,228
Cool.

1614
01:37:46,408 --> 01:37:47,368
What are you doing this weekend?

1615
01:37:47,588 --> 01:37:47,968
Yeehaw.

1616
01:37:48,708 --> 01:37:49,408
Probably nothing.

1617
01:37:49,648 --> 01:37:51,308
Probably absolutely nothing.

1618
01:37:52,028 --> 01:37:55,368
Lots of peering into a computer screen

1619
01:37:55,368 --> 01:37:58,728
and trying to make things change on other computer screens.

1620
01:37:58,888 --> 01:37:59,248
Cool.

1621
01:38:00,388 --> 01:38:01,668
Ted, what are you doing this week, Ted?

1622
01:38:02,148 --> 01:38:04,368
I am moving downtown tomorrow.

1623
01:38:04,908 --> 01:38:05,668
Shut up.

1624
01:38:05,768 --> 01:38:06,288
Are you really?

1625
01:38:06,448 --> 01:38:09,568
That was my first actually intentional place that I've...

1626
01:38:09,568 --> 01:38:12,308
Is that where you decided after all the places that you're looking at?

1627
01:38:12,348 --> 01:38:13,728
I looked at all these different buildings.

1628
01:38:13,848 --> 01:38:17,628
I ended up going with North Shore over with some other big corners we know.

1629
01:38:17,968 --> 01:38:18,368
Wow.

1630
01:38:18,608 --> 01:38:19,088
Just dox myself.

1631
01:38:19,268 --> 01:38:19,428
That was great.

1632
01:38:19,428 --> 01:38:19,608
Yeah.

1633
01:38:20,408 --> 01:38:24,348
Why did you decide out of all the places?

1634
01:38:24,428 --> 01:38:27,548
Because I know you're looking west, east, south, north.

1635
01:38:28,048 --> 01:38:28,468
It's convenient.

1636
01:38:28,768 --> 01:38:29,168
Nice.

1637
01:38:29,568 --> 01:38:30,588
I'm a big sucker for windows.

1638
01:38:30,688 --> 01:38:32,108
I've got a really nice looking window.

1639
01:38:32,328 --> 01:38:33,008
They have great windows?

1640
01:38:33,188 --> 01:38:33,348
Yeah.

1641
01:38:33,448 --> 01:38:33,848
Okay.

1642
01:38:33,988 --> 01:38:34,688
What side are you?

1643
01:38:34,688 --> 01:38:35,628
It is a boomerun.

1644
01:38:35,848 --> 01:38:36,128
Dox.

1645
01:38:36,128 --> 01:38:37,348
Do you have roommates?

1646
01:38:37,348 --> 01:38:39,488
I'll tell you guys

1647
01:38:39,488 --> 01:38:41,408
So you're moving

1648
01:38:41,408 --> 01:38:42,068
Do you need help?

1649
01:38:42,988 --> 01:38:45,368
I appreciate that I don't think so

1650
01:38:45,368 --> 01:38:47,368
Yeah let me know I'll be here at the lab

1651
01:38:47,368 --> 01:38:49,328
I'll need to break it in at some point

1652
01:38:49,328 --> 01:38:51,008
So you can help me crack a

1653
01:38:51,008 --> 01:38:52,288
Bottle of water

1654
01:38:52,288 --> 01:38:54,148
I'll be here tomorrow so if you need help

1655
01:38:54,148 --> 01:38:54,948
You need me to walk over

1656
01:38:54,948 --> 01:38:58,408
Cool I'll just be working tomorrow

1657
01:38:58,408 --> 01:39:00,048
Topher what are you doing tomorrow?

1658
01:39:00,388 --> 01:39:01,428
Oh you're going to Brotilla right?

1659
01:39:03,748 --> 01:39:04,848
Yeah that should be fun

1660
01:39:04,848 --> 01:39:05,508
I'll be floating

1661
01:39:05,508 --> 01:39:08,728
with all the ladies, all the honeys.

1662
01:39:09,708 --> 01:39:10,748
Do you guys actually get

1663
01:39:10,748 --> 01:39:11,128
honeys?

1664
01:39:12,468 --> 01:39:14,808
Wow. He's like, yeah, like a Chad.

1665
01:39:15,768 --> 01:39:16,868
He's like, where else are they going to go?

1666
01:39:16,968 --> 01:39:18,508
The honeys? They don't have anywhere to go?

1667
01:39:18,768 --> 01:39:19,988
No, they go with

1668
01:39:19,988 --> 01:39:22,928
all the Bitcoiners.

1669
01:39:23,568 --> 01:39:24,948
You think they're going to hang out with a bunch

1670
01:39:24,948 --> 01:39:26,528
of...

1671
01:39:26,528 --> 01:39:28,548
Oh, we'll be undercover.

1672
01:39:28,548 --> 01:39:29,488
Okay, that makes sense.

1673
01:39:31,308 --> 01:39:31,748
Anyways,

1674
01:39:32,128 --> 01:39:34,548
that's all we got, Snackers. Have yourself a

1675
01:39:34,548 --> 01:39:36,528
great weekend and

1676
01:39:36,528 --> 01:39:37,468
Keown