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Kiyon how's it
going
It's going pretty good.
You're dressed like Morpheus.
That's always a good day when you're dressed.
Have you been up to, Guillaume?
Has it?
Yeah, we've been up to.
For Morpheus.
I haven't really been up to a whole lot.
Yeah, really not much of anything.
Mostly fixing bugs.
Oh, really?
I would say.
Yeah, I upgraded LND over the weekend for Sacker News.
and then it had this kind of critical API
that we depend on for doing stuff,
had a bug in it.
And then that was unfortunate.
So I spent, I had to create a workaround
and we'll discover the bug, find the bug,
we'll help LND devs find the bug.
I think Ziggy1984 did great responsiveness to that bug.
And then once he discovered the bug,
I realized I couldn't use that API anymore and then had to do it on,
on my own.
And then that has a bunch of its own issues.
Anyway,
that was my,
most of my week is dealing with that kind of stuff while doing normal
things.
Oh,
do you Red Bull?
Oh,
look at your face.
You're like,
Whoa,
where'd that come from?
That'd be pretty cool.
I think we can get them.
Let's see.
I think I saw an AI generated thread from,
about the Red Bull guy.
He seems to have an interesting story.
I think he rose through Austin when they do the F1 stuff.
It could happen.
He rose through Austin?
He rose through.
He comes through Austin.
Oh, he rolls.
I thought you said he rose.
I thought he was on.
When you roll up, Keon, remember the 90s when they say roll up?
No, no.
I wasn't really cool.
I wasn't.
I didn't know.
No one said that to me that they're going to roll on me,
but maybe,
maybe someday soon.
Someone will say that to me.
We got a pretty good show today.
I think.
I don't think we can tell at a time.
I think we do.
There's a lot of really,
there's a lot of stories today.
Let me publish this,
but there's a lot of stories today,
but it's just so much going on,
dude.
And we didn't even cover everything.
Like there's just so much news to sort through this week.
so there's that but yeah it is it was hard picking us like our own top stories this week for sure yeah
so much interesting stuff going on if you've never seen this crazy show before
check it out it's on uh youtube and um yeah we're live now we go live every friday at 4 p.m
and um yeah it's been a pretty good week last week's uh most uh viewed video was the proxima
centauri one apparently people like elon musk can go into a different solar system
or i guess it would be going to a different galaxy no is it a galaxy no it wasn't a galaxy
right it's just the next nearest sun so it's the same galaxy just a different sun but uh yeah
okay check it out yeah we should do more clips about elon musk apparently it's probably probably
gets pretty good with all that let's jump into the top three of the week the first one is the
ownership obsession what uber and airbnb ready sell keon what's this yeah um this is a great piece
uh it basically argues that we own so many things that we don't use uh almost like as insurance
for our future selves to have access to them is basically what it says.
One of the examples that I like the most is a drill.
How often do you use a drill that you have permanent storage for year-round?
It's maybe, at most, maybe an hour a year.
It takes up space.
And why?
It's not being used.
and basically argues that for things like Uber and Airbnb,
they've made renting things so easy
that we feel like we no longer have to, say, own a vacation home
or, I guess, own a car in another location that we can drive around in.
And so it argues what the sharing economy does is reduces the need for us to own things by lowering the transaction costs of gaining access to the thing when we need it.
Like we show up in Florida.
We have a house there that we've rented from someone else who just owned it.
And then we can also rent a car that someone wasn't using while we were there.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, Nick believes in owning everything.
I actually like this post quite a bit, but he argues that you might be able to, the author,
argues that you might be able to extrapolate to other types of goods like the drill.
Like maybe in some future situation, a company comes out where the transaction costs are,
they make the transaction cost of borrowing a drill from someone else very low like uber and
airbnb have made uh borrowing a car from someone or a house from someone very low and that that
would that would perhaps unlock other things and i um i actually had an idea like this in college um
one of my startup ideas that i never pursued was online basically online thrift stores um
which effectively do this list no but craigslist is like that's a joke is peer-to-peer which is
which is great um but kind of what you want is a place like etsy no not peer-to-peer it wouldn't
be a marketplace you would it would be one company who's kind of providing like basically
you would donate a bunch of stuff to them and then they would allow people to rent it out locally um
oh okay and then they could return it whenever they wanted and donate it back but
I feel like there's those community apps that have that already.
There's like a community app that does that.
That's peer-to-peer too.
There's no company that's doing like an Amazon for thrift stores,
like an Amazon for renting everything rather than owning everything.
Like that's basically the, like, if that helps the idea any.
So the Klaus Schwab app is what you're thinking.
There you go.
Yeah.
If you're a cynic in your world, that's how this manifests.
But yeah, I thought it was great.
I thought it was, the framing I think is very accurate and can help you think about the sharing economy well.
We had the top comment from SimpleStacker.
He said, oh, I've actually published on this subject.
The way I've characterized it is that Uber and Airbnb helps small suppliers sell spare and underutilized capacity, which is efficiency improving overall.
And Discipline said, love Munger, love this topic.
I do tend to buy things.
I need to, but I don't really buy anything in advance of needing it.
That's sort of a middle ground between the renters and the preppers.
For me, what I'm paying for is avoiding the irritation of rental transactions.
Interesting.
Yeah.
I definitely think if you own a business, you should be purchasing things.
I definitely think that.
Be purchasing?
Yeah, especially if you're going to get multi-use out of it.
But it does give up a problem with space.
So there's that.
but if you can donate it, that's always a good thing.
Or give it to somebody else, right, that could help them.
But yeah.
All right.
You got anything else on this one?
Not really.
But those are the, I believe those are the transaction costs,
like enumerated transaction costs of attempting to acquire something like a
ladder or a drill temporarily.
like it's not it's a there's a reason why we own those things is because it's because of those
costs it's cheaper to just buy it and then store it somewhere than it is to borrow it or just be in
a community and um you know help your neighbor out the next one is the dangers of clothing
close, wait, oh man, I got the wrong one in here, did I?
Yeah, I guess I did.
The dangers of closed-mindedness and open-mindedness.
Keon, what's this?
Yeah, it's a post from Kepford
arguing both in favor of closed-mindedness
and against open-mindedness
and then against closed-mindedness
and for open-mindedness.
so he kind of takes both sides on this i think um taking his own advice and uh on the topic for the
post um but yeah uh what is he what are some of the interesting things he says in here um yeah i
guess the the problem with being open-minded is you maybe take tradition for granted and you don't
appreciate it as one of the things he says here and then you end up with kind of never being
opinionated enough to go like very deep on an opinion or develop develop uh a kind of i guess
a mature a more mature point of view on a particular thing and that's like kind of the
risk of being open-minded as you're kind of pooled every which way by current events or whatever i
think is what he's arguing about being open-minded um and then uh close-mindedness is you you know
you maybe aren't, you aren't improving is more or less the main danger of closed-mindedness.
And you kind of, you take tradition or what you think of as a tradition is at face value.
And so you never think to question it or even evaluate whether there is some even more ancient tradition
that if you are taking following tradition as a virtue, you might be ignoring those things.
and doing yourself a disservice.
Yeah, I kind of skimmed through this this morning
when I was reading the other post,
the one that we were showing before.
I didn't really grasp what he was getting at, though.
That was the thing where I couldn't figure out, like,
was he for or against?
I didn't really understand that part.
No, I think he's demonstrating.
Oh, he's just giving two distinct opposites and favors.
Or how would you say, I guess the good and bad of being closed-minded and good and bad versus being open-minded, that kind of thing, that's all?
Yeah, it's just kind of why you might not want to be purely open-minded and why you might not want to be purely closed-minded.
Both sides have trade-offs and advantages, and he kind of walks through them.
Yeah, what do you think, Keon?
um i think i tend to be more on the open-minded side of things uh and i definitely i i do think
there is a risk to that where i don't i won't develop opinions that are i think strong enough
to where i might i don't know be be more effective in some way um but
yeah that's how that's where i that's at least where i fall i definitely wouldn't consider
myself close-minded um i don't think you can be if you're in bitcoin to be honest i think we have
quite i think actually one of the features someone should do a personality uh like survey of bitcoiners
because i i would guess that it's actually a fairly conservative bunch um which suggests that
they are actually more probably more like temperamentally close-minded than open-minded
um but i mean it's not that they're purely close-minded it's just that the bot there's
like a bot i i would guess a statistically significant bias would show up towards i think
that's just kind of uh what you said right there is more just like a uh i think people say in bitcoin
i believe personally okay you see that a lot um well i'm i certainly just said it so yeah i know
that's why i say you see it i like you hear it a lot um yeah where's the the top comment was from
darth coin he said i appreciate your kindness but you're too kind sometimes what was that in response
to i guess his response to the post yeah it was a interesting direct response to the post
Capsford Mad.
Then we had Space Aller says,
it pays to keep an open mind, but not so open
when your brains fall out.
It was a funny guy.
Yeah, I don't know.
For me, it's kind of like, I look at it
three, four different ways.
It's kind of tough, right? Obviously,
you want to always be open to things.
We talk about it
a lot. What's the thing that you always say?
It's like
four letters or something.
remember we were talking about it like we talked about it multiple times oh when you're talking
your community yeah i like the acronym leap yeah yeah what does that stand for listen empathize
agree partner those are kind of what you want to do if you are hearing somebody out right you want
to be charitable with uh hearing people's uh topics right or whatever it is yeah i think it's uh
it's a position of you, you know, not, you're,
you're not being sort of like defensive or judgmental. Like that's,
if that's what you want to give off, that's what,
that's how you would communicate with someone.
Yeah. And so I kind of see that. Right. And then I also see the, um,
um, more like the biblical side of things. Like you want to, you want to,
you want to reason, what is it? You want to, you want to, um,
you want to reason with with with intellect basically like you want to get to like a base
objective reality or objective truth of of what it is that you're actually trying to get to um so
just in any sort of topic but there's always kind of like a wait and see i don't they don't call it
but it's more like a wait until there's more information available type of thing so i see i
see it that way too and then the third way i definitely see is just kind of how you were
raised right like you're you tend to take on some of the same biases that your family
or generationally that you have growing up so it's kind of one of those things too depending
on how close you are to your family or i would guess it's actually more generic more genetic
than it is um environmental like i would guess it's it has your open mind business first to
close minus is probably has less to do with your uh your upbringing and how you were raised than
just like the design of you but yeah that's kind of how i see it those three ways but in reality
like how do you always perform it's it's tough dude right for me i like when you catch me on a
bad day i'm gonna be close in mind i catch me on a good day i'll be up in my head just kind of
depends you strive for like what you're talking about but it's it's tough it's definitely tough
um there was one good comment i saw on this earlier
and I guess it was
I guess it was
yeah this one right here
I think it was simple stacks
I think this is an important topic
many people today
basically think closed mind
bad open mind good
it's good to point them
to the risk of open mindedness
and the virtues of closed mindedness
as well
yeah
I think it's good
good post
covered on a roll
where's the other one let me go back one more
and the number one story this week is hindsight starry eyed this is uh from jason b 29 comments
19 000 cents keon what's this yeah jason b does a recap on his trip to south africa um we i think
we over the over the past few months we've covered a few posts by jason b that he wrote
from south africa where he went there to help out bitcoin akasi um that's beautiful look at that
suns or maybe that's what that looks like morning time maybe but all right yeah it could be it could
be a sunset or a sunrise but uh that was a restaurant that he liked i guess he there was a
server there who um was having trouble with uh the banking system and they had relatives out in
florida who were like sort of unable to send them money in south africa and by jason communicating
with the server they ended up figuring out how to use bitcoin to do remittances to south africa
from Florida, which is pretty awesome.
The whole point of Jason...
Look at that. That's cool.
Yeah. The whole point of Jason B. going to South Africa
was that he wanted to expose his family, his children,
to a different environment and just see how they would get along.
And he calls that a success.
But he says his other mission,
which is where he was hoping to go to South Africa,
and orange pill and like help people who are like this huge solar boom in South Africa
offset their costs with mining.
He said he didn't get much of a chance to do that because he didn't end up being able
to source enough miners.
I think he said he only really got one miner and it was an S9 that brains donated to him.
And he said it didn't arrive until like right before he left, which was pretty sad.
it's kind of a bummer
I'm hoping
if he goes back
and he's looking for miners in the future
he
posts
lets us know
because I know
the Mining Foundation
I think it's called
I thought it was called 402
it might be something else
there's a mining group
run by
Echno Alchemist
they just got a huge donation
of mining chips from Block.
And I'm sure they'd be happy to donate some of them
to a cause like this.
Anyway, he recaps his entire journey in South Africa
and those pictures at the end there
from when he came back and did a gig I guess right when he came back he got a gig at a Christmas tree lighting ceremony Look at that piano dude
Yeah.
That's a nice setup.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Yeah, look at those Christmas lights.
Nice.
We have a top comment from...
Simple Stacker.
he said
sounds really awesome what is your thinking for why
South Africa has embraced Bitcoin so much compared
to say the US
because I'm not sure if this is
the main issue or not but even at
846 sets a day and a time
to profitability of a year and a half
I think the raw value of the return is probably
not enough to excite
most people into taking action
anything about that Keon?
Oh did you ask me a question?
What did you think about what SimpleStacker said?
I don't know. What did he say?
It looks like he said, if I'm not sure, it sounds like 846 sats.
He did all the calculation basically saying it's not enough to excite most people.
Do you think that's necessarily true or not?
Maybe. Jason B. does some of the math.
I guess there's an installation cost that he has that is local to the region where they were doing it.
and he did some math on it or like a i think it was there's a certain thresholds where they they
do become that pays for like the installation of the solar mine the solar panels eventually
um and that would be the whole maybe the whole point or no i think it was just mostly to pay
off the miners themselves but then after that you're in profit because you're using excess
electricity yeah i also think people forget about the the non-kyc aspect of mining that's always
especially and then if it's just like energy that's not taking anything from the grid right
is this one just all insular as far as like where it's at yeah this is just about so solar like a
lot because they had rolling blackouts and brownouts in south africa over the last i don't know years
or whatever um and so a lot of people started ended up or ended up having to install solar
panels for themselves to be able to have electricity um like throughout continuously
and so it's a nice setup it'd be nice yeah if you could figure out a way to offset the cost
of insulation then you could um like lower the floor on the the entry for for more people in
south africa okay i was talking to a bitcoiner this week and they were talking about like geothermal
in colorado or something and this sounds epic and they're talking about how like you can have
acres of land really inexpensively all off-grid mining and stuff i was like damn
yeah you could set up your own geothermal that'd be pretty cool but i think
most i think the depth of most viable geothermal my minds i don't know what they call them um
It sounded cool when he was telling me, but I don't know.
Depending on the region, yeah.
Sometimes geothermal is...
I don't know anything about mining like that.
Close to the surface.
Oh, that's awesome.
That's all the top three stories of the week here on Stacker News Live.
We're going to jump into...
Oh, where is it at?
We're going to jump into Wumble's Picks.
Wumble's Wumble's Wumble's Picks this week.
Wumble's Picks.
Has Proton gone too far?
This is from sticky.
47,
38 comments,
941 sets.
Key on.
What's this?
Yeah.
So I guess proton released a spreadsheets application.
Uh,
seems like,
it seems like they've been just after the other kind of releasing office
suite type applications.
Uh,
in this case,
they released a spreadsheet thing.
Um,
and so one bow asked,
well,
like,
like Google sheets,
basically like Google sheets.
Hmm.
but for Proton
interesting
Siggy
you know Siggy seems concerned that
Proton might be getting
over their skis and like overextending
themselves and maybe won't be able
like it'll degrade their other product offerings
by having this new product
let's look at that
so they got ProtonMail
okay
do you have a use Sheets yet?
no I saw the announcement
my thought is like
is Sheets really what breaks the camel's back
because they have Bitcoin wallet.
They've got like Drive.
They've got Password.
They've got a new private AI.
They have a private AI now?
Yeah, I mean, it's becoming like a full alternative Google suite.
But for me, Sheets is like a pretty boring feature.
Yeah, Lumo.
It's really cool because it's a, I mean,
I haven't looked into the back end.
Maybe it's like, trust me, bro, privacy.
But they claim it's private and it has a web search tool,
which is a really powerful thing to have,
like a private AI as a web search tool.
That's cool.
But yeah, I mean, I'm a big fan of Proton.
I want to keep going, keep going.
Yeah, it sounds, I didn't know they had an AI thing.
Oh yeah, they do have a, it's sort of like OpenSecret.
Oh wow.
Or Maple AI, is my understanding.
Okay. But yeah, so Wombo asks, as developers and entrepreneurs, how do you keep from expanding your product line too far?
That's a great question. I think I had an answer.
I think you just need to ask yourself what your product does over and over again.
Um, and if the answer is the, the answer, if the answer is 20 things, uh, not very well,
then, um, you're probably, you're probably doing something wrong.
You should, you probably should have one answer, like one answer that's quite strong and good
would be, so that's, I think the, uh, I would guess what proton is doing is if they, if they
were to ask themselves that question with how they would answer is say we're building google
like google's tooling google's like services but private like i think that would that's what they
would say and the scope of that is pretty large but it's at least like fairly succinct um and you
can that kind of shows up and everything that they end up offering um but it it it isn't an
intimidating level of scope uh because google is a huge massive company with you know lots and
lots of money car do you have a answer to this question what was the question again how do you
uh how do you keep from expanding your product line too far to the point where it buckles under
its own weight i think i think proton is doing what it's supposed to be doing like competing with
the alternative to google like they're the complete opposite of google that's the direction
they're going in and i think everything that you'll see this is just my opinion i think i
don't know anything but i would imagine that everything that google has proton will have
because it's trying to make a direct competitor to it just on the opposite side of that with privacy
and encryption and all that kind of stuff so i think you're going to see everything even video
social at some point i would imagine but who knows i mean but i think do you see optimisms
optimism had a really good response um he said yes you can if you can afford it you have a product
team for each product product areas for each group and verticals for each security frameworks
and auditing the like he said i've successfully worked with 30 plus concurrent product teams
wow i didn't know that about optimism uh he goes it can definitely be done um but he says that uh
sounds like you're gonna have a lot of delegated delegated leadership austin you kind of work in
you kind of work with product lines
or at least I hear you on calls talking about
products. You don't have to say who you work for but
how do you think
it can be managed at that scale
just by looking at what Optimism said
it sounds pretty
pretty intense
yeah I mean it's I think that he put it well
like I wouldn't change anything that he
said or really add to it it's more of like kian's question made me think yeah like what is it that
they're really like what's the secret sauce right because they're building a bunch of apps but what
is the commonality between all of these apps that that makes someone choose proton well the
commonality here is that they they at least claim to have end-to-end encryption right so for me that's
the secrets and like you get that working in email you get that working you know maybe drive
or calendar was their second product maybe password and then eventually they're like cool we have the
template down for how to do the end in encryption for the data now what's the new application
and then the thing is like okay maybe they don't have the best calendar app maybe they don't have
the best AI app, but it's like, well, I don't need it to be competitive on the UI or feature
standpoint with Google necessarily, because they're giving me something that Google or no one else will
give me. So I guess my kind of thought is like, maybe the quality of the app is going to be a
little bit worse, worse quality than other products. But if they, you know, stay true to
the principle of end encryption and the reason that I and most people are using Proton, I think
it's good and it yeah it makes it to where they can have a shittier google suite and i will choose
it over google every time yeah it does you hear a lot of people give them crap about the what was
that recent thing that they had where they got um who put a who put a gun to their dick or something
wasn't there like a wasn't there like a three-letter agency that did i don't know anyone
want to put a gun to other deck not yet i'd like to meet them someday yeah this one right here that
was this one so it's important to bring this up uh proton mail discloses user data lending to
arrest in spain um so there's that right but that was like a year ago or more than a year ago was
that probably that's probably after or before they were uh ngo i think i remember correctly
They're an NGO?
Now they are, yeah.
You mean they're a nonprofit?
Nonprofit, yeah.
Okay.
Which are kind of different things, right?
No, non-governmental organization.
Same thing in my book.
But let's get back to this real quick.
But do you think this is a thing?
Oh, no, it's definitely a thing.
It's like you leak all kind of metadata to them,
and you have to still be super vigilant.
I would guess that, to a large extent,
a lot of ProtonMail's privacy stuff is more of a LARP than most people using it would like to
believe. I would guess that they are more private than Google and they don't have the incentives
that Google does to really mine all your data. But I think most of your email, unless you are
explicitly encrypting them, are stored in plain text on their server. So it's my understanding.
Yeah. So this was a year, almost a year and a half ago, more than a year and a half ago. So
it's worth bringing up because it is something that stackers should,
should definitely,
you know,
look into.
Yeah.
And encryption will help you from getting docs.
Yeah.
If you leak metadata,
right.
This is why like you can have private DMS with me on Noster,
but everyone will know that we're DMing.
So that's the same thing here.
Maybe all your emails,
maybe all your docs are encrypted.
Like they literally can't see it,
but they have this whole audit trail.
And if it's attached to a phone number,
if it's attached to other metadata,
they get, you know,
basically cease and desist it or whatever it's called in Sweden.
The feds come and knock on their door
and they have to give up what they have.
Now, hopefully most of that data is encrypted, but.
Yeah, I think optimism says it right here
because I think the safe signup process is,
or he says, do not use their VPN service
or real IP at any time.
Also not during signup.
and he said open for a free account do not give them a fallback email
this sounds like it's a process pay through bitcoin use atomic or use a submarine swap
sounds like um so it sounds like um and they talk about in the comments but
definitely worth the posts definitely uh i think he asked another question um do you think proton
sheets will be a successful prod uh project uh i think it i think it will be a successful project
in the sense that if anyone is trying to find an alternative
to Google or the Microsoft Office suite,
but cares more about privacy maybe than product maturity,
I think they'll be more likely to switch to Proton now
because Proton meets more of the needs than they did before.
Yeah.
I just see them eventually just being as big as Google at some point.
and then just having the alternative of it right but there's still aspects of like what austin
talked about you know you don't want to leak your data um you still got to be uh vigilant
um good post womble that was that was womble's picks womble's picks
and uh we're gonna jump into let's go with yours first koop okay uh this one is a bunch of alarming
poop this is from elvis mercury 54 comments 2850 sets keon what's this yeah uh so derek thomas
uh rattles off a bunch of things that i guess are going on in the world that uh seem kind of bad
things like
young people's attention
as levels are declining
and their impulse control declining
and it's linked to
how everything is a video now
and no one's really reading
and things like that
some of the other things are
gambling levels are very high
home ownership is low
um uh oh that like toxicity of news sources primarily it's like trend it's to be doing that
like historical analysis it's just gotten more and more like fear driven uh than ever before
see what is uh then it ties in of course like the big ai boom and you know forecasts about what that
might do to the job market and how it's like distorting energy markets.
Maybe I would guess it is at least temporarily.
And how there's like, while we don't, well,
it's not really showing up in a big way in unemployment numbers.
It's still, you know,
most people expect AI to lead to some kind of employment shortage drugs.
I guess we're, we've stopped consuming out.
Like we've alcohol is on the decline yet.
We're consuming tons of weed.
and you know that has trade-offs uh they're among the optimistic things here he talks about
gpl ones and believes that that is like a you know a nice trend for drugs and it seems to be
helping people both uh lose weight and reduce a bunch of disease risk by i think the current
theory is some kind of anti-inflammatory effects um gosh yeah such a doomer post
It is. Well, that's the that's the weird thing is like it's kind of doomer and it is kind of alarming.
But he ends it by being, you know, I think optimistic.
He basically says. Oh, yeah. Where is he? Yeah. The optimistic part.
Yeah. Says we are like he ends by saying we're ruled by this bias towards the negative.
Like we pay we pay a lot of attention to the negative.
And, you know, here are some things that are good.
is like 50 years ago, I think it's something like half of the United States didn't have
heating and cooling, like electronic
heating and cooling. And then part of the graph
up there is that he showed that quite a few
places in the United States didn't even have indoor plumbing.
So that's obviously a good trend.
And then the quote he ends with
is uh yeah and then like the impact of art maybe to kind of skew us back towards positivity and
maybe open us back up the the quote specifically he shared is from a i think it was a a cancer
surgeon um who was at a who was at a uh uh i think he was watching a play yeah he was watching
a play where uh chaos theory was kind of touched on in the play and it led it led him to develop
chemotherapy as a treatment for cancer which has you know been a huge success at improving
outcomes and anyway but uh this is really sad dude it's really sad oh i don't i don't take it
that way i don't see anything of this stuff like to be on site to be that guy but like all this
stuff i don't see any of this stuff we were at round rock big quitters yesterday and um the vibes
were high man so maybe it's just like people that are outside of bitcoin i think where they're kind
of getting this kind of uh it's kind of what was prophesized years ago by who by what how about
the ogs they're talking about how like you know the pain that was going to be inflicted on people
that didn't uh opt in for bitcoin well we've been talking a lot about how bitcoin has changed so
definitely we're going to talk about it later in this episode but i would say it's it's been
infected by by the same thing it's just a bitcoin version of the same thing so but i'd say i'd say
all of these reading though like people still go to the library i actually just got a library card
last week.
Okay.
And then Triumph of Streaming Video.
I could see that.
Let's go down the list.
Where was the other one? He said TikTok.
Yeah, I could see that too.
Right now there's one big bet on it.
Like the artificial intelligence is providing
a ton of jobs. We were talking to a lot
of people yesterday. AI is just
opening up jobs here in Austin.
Let's see.
Let's see what else we got.
Generative AI.
Gen Z. I think Gen Z got dealt a worse hand than millennials.
That's for sure.
But I think Gen Z will figure it out just like the millennials figured it out.
That's how I'm feeling today, Keon.
I think it's a great post, though.
The amount of time to put 26 most important ideas.
Cool stuff.
What did Gray Ruby say?
He said, this is very depressing.
and i definitely agree with the signification of the economy yeah he said all these apps were
designed to democratize and gamify both finance and sports betting paired with young
minds with that are addicted dopamine it's probably a very dangerous cocktail
yeah um let go to your next post zeus node tips and tricks from darth coin 16 comments 11 000 sets
key on what's ebon building these days yeah zeus and uh version 12 i guess is going to have nw
an nwc server included and with the nwc server you're going to be able to add sub accounts kind
like you can on albi and darth coin wrote a little guide for you and then i think added some other
tips about how you might better manage a an always on uh zeus node which is you know it's something i
hadn't really he mentioned it i think in a saloon comment the other day where he was talking about
how you know if you have a spare tablet you put zeus on it and you turn it on like an android
tablet and you put put it on always on mode you can basically have a lightning node that's always
on and do most of what you want to do with a lightning node but it's running in a in a tablet
app which is a pretty cool thought it made me wonder if there's any plans for zeus to be deployed
on things like Umbral or Star 9.
Cool stuff.
Yeah.
All right.
Let's jump into the AI Bitcoin stuff.
This one, I think, got posted just like 13 hours ago.
It was such a great post.
It's really in-depth.
I'm not going to be able to cover it all.
A lot of it's just above my head.
Maybe Keon can explain it.
I didn't read it.
You didn't read it.
Okay, even better.
But the gist of what I understand here
is this guy named Tim Detmers
is talking about the bottleneck issue
that is going to happen at some point with AI
and all the infrastructure that's being built out there
and how we're never going to get to AGI.
And he's an academic, goes through it all,
talks about the computation, how it's physical.
and it's it's a very uh you can tell he's been a long time talking about like long time uh looking
into why uh agi is not going to happen with the estimated dates that like sam allman some of these
other people are predicting uh he talks about it's just it's very in-depth a lot of it's over my head
but from what i can understand there's a great response to this though inside the comments
from it's real fake uh and he goes he goes in depth like line by line this deserved its own
post to be honest uh if he's watching but like he goes line by line why a lot of this is
it'll lead to a basically from my understanding of reading this from his his reply and correct
me if i'm wrong it's real fake but it sounds like he's saying that a lot of the bottlenecks issues
will get resolved because of new technology that hasn't been complete yet.
And this is the Photonix holographic data storage.
And so he explains how these bottlenecks that this guy's seen,
this Detmers guy's seen, will lead to innovation in other areas.
And then he goes through it all.
He literally goes line by line about why this guy is not looking at it.
That's kind of being closed-minded versus open-minded, right?
Like it's literally what we were talking about earlier with Kepford.
Like this is more an open-minded opinion about AGI.
And then the academic was talking about more of a closed-minded opinion about AGI.
At the end, I think he said probably the most profound thing I haven't really thought about.
He quotes, what's his name?
Ray Kurzweil.
And Ray Kurzweil says that he defines artificial general intelligence as a technology capable of matching what an expert in every field can do all at the same time.
He predicts that AGI will be achieved by 2029.
This is Ray Kurzweil, emphasizing its potential to enhance human intelligence rather than compete with it.
So the cool thing that he ends with is this part right here.
He talks about how AGI will never happen.
he goes if he instead said agi will never happen because humans are going to get better as we
integrate with machines and therefore the goalposts will keep you moved keon he said that if he would
have said that in his kind of like argument of why agi won't happen he said he would have been
on board with that because he does think there's going to be some kind of symbiotic thing that
that happens but um but yeah it's a great post just wanted to share it was in the ai territory
this morning.
Yeah.
Cool.
Yeah, I would guess that the real, I don't know, I'd like, if you look at technology bottlenecks,
it seems like the most, like the one I think about the most is probably like the physics
problem, where we kind of haven't, it feels like we haven't advanced physics in a significant
way in a very long time.
And I wonder how much of that is actually a technology problem and not some other kind of problem.
And, you know, if the real bottleneck in AGI occurs when militarized applications emerge, then we know that maybe it's not like a human ingenuity bottleneck.
And it's more so a like counter forces trying to keep a technology safe.
That would be my, I just don't, I don't see the market slowing down for.
I don't see it either.
Like when I read the other, because I went through this, but it's hard to grasp, man.
It really is.
It's just above my head.
All this stuff.
I would have to go and like research certain words and all that kind of stuff.
But when I read the, that's why Stacker News is so great.
When I read this post by Israel Fake, he went through it and actually parsed it out and explained it, you know, for Bitcoiners to understand.
At least from my understanding.
You know what I mean?
And it gives it kind of like a Bitcoin lens to it, which a lot of us already, like, I guess for us, it's like you're doing the non-casual stuff, but you see a lot of things in Bitcoin where these bottlenecks do lead to, you know, innovations.
Or, you know, it just happens just because incentives broke, right?
And I think that's where it's just good to have a Bitcoin lens to this stuff.
Anyways, but really great posts, really great posts to wake up to.
good comments all that kind of stuff so i wanted to share that and the other one
uh was this i don't know if you saw this but the over 10 000 docker hub images found linking
credentials with off keys um i remember a lot of people use docker like when i had a fiat job like
i know they still do oh they still do yeah it's it's the most popular way to define an environment
that you want to reproduce.
So, yeah, it looks like more than 10,000 Docker Hub container images
exposed data that should be protected, including live credentials
to production systems, databases, and LLM model keys.
Talks about...
It's really easy to accidentally check in, like, into your source,
your version control, accidentally check in credentials.
You have to be, like, pretty vigilant.
You want to have a system in place, but that requires a little bit of planning.
You use Docker or no?
We use it for our developer environment, but we don't host anything on Docker Hub.
It's just all in our repo.
But this is equivalent to you have your environment files open sourced.
It's kind of what things on Docker Hub is like.
and they just
some people hard code them in
for convenience reasons or maybe they're
outsourced or maybe they have
contractors who
don't have
incentives that are maybe aligned.
I don't know.
Yeah, it's a crazy story. I just wanted to share
that and then the
other
stuff was I wanted to jump into
my post this week
and this is about the whole SPAC
stuff that's going on.
we were talking about this earlier about how like we're going to get into it but
i and i talk about it here but i i really do think that at least from my perspective i always
thought that bitcoin was going to lead to like this restoration right like it was going to lead
to us rebuilding what the what the our past generations have eroded with the fiat currency
and um a lot of what i see now with the the spack stuff that's happening is it's um
it's it just feels virtuous like it just feels like um
it just it just it just it's just not uh it's just for me spiritually it's just incompatible
with Bitcoin because it has no virtue.
It's all shortcuts.
And it's so sad too.
Like somebody actually made a website.
I don't know if you saw this.
Oh, where is it at?
Let me go back.
Somebody actually made a website for these SPACs.
Where is it at?
Yeah, oneclicktreasury.com.
Let me see if I can find it.
So this got posted this week on Stacker News.
One-click BTC Treasury.
Launch a Bitcoin treasury company in minutes.
um obviously this is a joke but um this is kind of where this is kind of where we're at man like
it's it's it's shit coins 2.0 like look at this company name ticker symbol jurisdiction
all this stuff you then you go through it and then it talks about the pricing so much it's
going to cost you this is what you need to do it like so somebody literally took the playbook and
made and imbibe coded a website to it it's pretty hilarious but this is kind of that shortcut process
i think and i think what this person was doing this was a reported post by scoresby but i think
what this person was doing just kind of showing that you know um this is not going to restore
anything that bitcoin was supposed to do from the very beginning um and uh i just want to i just want
to share light to it because i just we've just been seeing a ton of specs um we don't have to get
into any names or anything like that, but it's just, it's just very, it feels, it just feels
very somber. And I didn't know like what, what to do with this in my head, but I was like, let me
write it out. Cause if I write it out, I'll get it out of my system. Right. So I think, I think
that, and then the other thing that was kind of really spooky, and I'll share this right here,
but a lot of this is from the general theory of reflexivity and i'll leave that for people to look
into but yeah anyways you got any thoughts on the spack stuff i know you don't like talking about it
too much but yeah uh what i just don't um i think there i think the trend is is like dying uh
and to the extent that it still exists if you like listen to what they're saying if you pay
attention to the part where they're not like infinite money glitch and like memeing themselves
into into greatness it's a lot of uh bull it's a lot of bullshit uh specifically around that like
you saw some of these new new SPACs these new treasury companies come out and say things like
we're more pure. We're more pure of a Bitcoin play. We don't have all the traditional
crustiness that MicroStrategy has. We're more pure. And now as the market has responded and
said, we actually don't want anything to do with your SPACs. Now, a lot of them are saying that
they have this technology mission. And it's a Bitcoin technology mission. And it's so important
and it's so complicated and so special and so advanced that you can't understand it though so
they can't explain it to you yet you just won't get it it's so new it's so noble so so it sounds
exactly like you know what that is though though kion like that's actually the scary part about this
post is this is all like out of the soros playbook man that's the scary part about this i haven't
read that yeah yeah like that's what i'm saying it goes even deeper than that um and that's why a
lot of this stuff is no one's talking about it but it needs to be said like this is this is the
same type of thing that's roasted and however you feel about him whether you like him or you don't
like him but a lot of that type of uh chess playing that's going on there you go yeah i think another
another sign of like kind of the grossness of this is i think there are a lot of the people
who are trying to sell these specs are speaking to an audience that maybe had some fomo on like
micro strategies rise to whatever micro strategy is and they're like well you missed out on that
one but this this is going to be just like micro strategy except new so give us your money now
uh early and you'll be in the new micro strategy and it's just like another altcoin meme coin
uh and that's why this website is so good like this is why this website is so i don't have it
keeps coming up wrong the the one click uh bitcoin treasury thing this is why this website's so good
dude because it this is what bitcoiners do best we uh we meme it out of existence
this is what we do best and it's just hilarious that somebody actually took the time to
do all their research because this looks like a legitimate website um yeah
well if you find yourself tempted to uh invest in one of these facts because you
you think it's going to be the next micro strategy, I would recommend you don't.
You know, sometimes I would say a lot of the people who are early in micro strategy stock were
either like ahead of the curve and did the work and kind of understood what they were doing,
or they got lucky. And if you are neither lucky or ahead of the curve and doing your research,
don't expect to get wealthy on one of these these like new specs uh you know the the reliable way
if you if you need to get rich or want to get rich the reliable way to get rich is to create value
um not to find find the scam earlier than other people and invest in it yeah it's uh it's uh
yeah i do feel cleansed though uh now i don't need to talk about it anymore but uh it's definitely
it definitely
was weighing on me
most of this year.
But now I don't feel like that anymore.
But it's
just sad to see.
Sad to see. We gotta pour one out.
The last
one was kind of a funny one.
Fun one, I guess. We have one funny
one this week.
Why do Gen Z have a growing appetite for
retro tech? Keon, do you know why?
They love retro tech like iPods
and PSPs and DVDs and all the things that you want to rent out?
I'm just kidding.
I don't know.
I think there are trade-offs made when you go from purpose-built devices
to generic devices that kind of do everything.
You lose something.
He owns this SNL DVD right there.
Look at that.
I think we sold only three of them.
I don't remember it being one of them.
You know better at the books on that.
Now, what were you saying?
i'm sorry oh no i was just he's so proud of his collection dude he looks like me in 2000
that's what i was with no this is yeah this is the record collection of today
that's really what this is yeah i think i think i think the honestly the truth
and this kind of what we were talking about earlier is like gen z gets has gotten it worse
than millennials and so they're basically getting all the scraps and so that means going to thrift
stores like we were talking about buying dvds buying these old blu-ray players like buying these
I'll buy this technology that's dead because they can't afford the subscriptions for this stuff.
I don't think that's the problem.
I think that kind of correlates if you kind of look into it a little bit more.
Think about how much you're spending per month in just like subscription services, whether it's just like for media or entertainment.
And when you could just go to your local thrift store and find these DVDs for like 50 cents or whatever.
He even says it here.
He goes, the main selling point for me is the cases.
He says, there's something about really clean cases.
He goes, streaming services like Netflix and Disney dominate the market, but Decline says he values ownership.
It's nice to have something you own instead of paying for subscriptions all the time.
If I lost access to streaming tomorrow, I'd still have my favorite movies ready to watch.
That's what he says.
It makes sense.
Well, yeah, this is also like arguing the other way from the first post that we discussed in this podcast about ownership versus renting.
Like Netflix and a lot of these streaming services lower the transaction costs of temporarily getting access to media such that you don't feel the need to own it anymore.
But you lose things when you don't own them.
You lose the forever access that you get when you own something.
So there are just these tradeoffs.
And I think some people prefer either the physical ownership or the, in the case of these devices, like, I think some of the, what is this?
This is like a PSP.
I love my PSP.
Yeah, they want something that is kind of, you know, purpose built.
And the games, the software is purpose built.
Dude, those are better games back then, too, I bet.
I don't know.
It feels like they're better games.
Anyways.
Yeah.
the last post we have is actually i think i think we touched them all yeah i think that was it
um the next one is let's get into meta wumble your favorite person in the world keon launched
a new territory or news territory oh right yeah relaunched the daily zap what do you think about
this uh i think it's cool and i think it's awesome i hadn't um there was a post i think that
supratic did about all the archive territories and i think wombo reached out to me saying that
he had an error when he was trying to purchase territory and i was curious i was i didn't know
which territory he was trying to buy and i think he was trying to play it safe and not mention it
in case someone else swooped in and bought it before him but um i guess it's the news territory
this is this is cool like uh i can actually see that like on uh you know in a building says the
daily zap well it's really cool man and then also too this is good because now we can finally get
regular news into stacker news yeah we had it like i didn't even know a lot of it was being posted
but we had a news territory for a long time uh by c0k1 uh i believe is the is the handle um
And they were a good steward.
They tried to get the territory going.
It's very hard.
It's very hard to run a community.
Yeah.
And I think with some territories, it can be really tricky because it's hard to, what is noose?
Because noose is such a broad thing.
And I think that'll be the struggle for anyone who's trying to tackle a territory called noose.
But I think it kind of international happenings that maybe don fit in any other territory is kind of what what ends up being news i think but i uh i excited to see this because at some point we
be able to be able to get breakdowns in news too right at some point subterritories and
get the austin news and yeah all those other news that'll be cool that'll be cool once we get there
um but yeah really cool stuff i'm excited now i know get to know when the government shuts down
again yeah before yeah before we they get kind of people would be if you wanted to look for news
you go in politics and law depending on the type of it maybe you go it's just too hard to find yeah
it can be kind of tricky where do you go yeah so now there's uh there's a there's a more a broader
home for that yeah the next one is rip 10 this is what makes a good post long form content is
increasing on sn this from simple stacker nine commas 3034 says keel what's this meta yeah he
He did some analysis on how well posts do, depending on their content, and found that, in general, a lot of the longer-form stuff on Stacker News, or maybe at least discussion posts that are roughly medium-form, or links that have some discussion on them, or discussions that have some links on them, they tend to do better than just a link post without a title and no color added to it.
Yeah, and so this is just another simple stacker statistical report on his findings looking at historical data from stacker news.
I think he also shows that by his high-quality metric,
which is posts that have discussion posts with links in them
or discussion posts, they are increasing rather than decreasing,
showing that perhaps because they're rewarded more
or zap more, perform better, get more engagement.
I also think the subscriber thing actually matters too.
like there's some stackers that i'm subscribed to who i'll always zap if it's like a good good post
um so i definitely think that i don't know if i don't know if he has that in the thing or
no i don't think i think you can grow a subscriber list of a sort for um how do you say like for your
notifications and stuff he might have subscribed i i anonymized all the data um but i think he
should still be able to pull out some numerical analysis of uh subscription relationships
yeah some stickers always post good stuff you know my i might actually uh subscribe oh i'm
already subscribed to them there you go there you go i thought it wasn't there you go
yeah i think just having like really good um at least for me that's what works with keeping
track of all this stuff.
It's just being
how do you say subscribe
to people.
The next one is
I think that's it. I think that's
all we got. Oh no. Pleb Poets
Zine. She released a new
zine this week. It's called
let's see
what is it called? Let me see if I can find it. Oh
See the Forest for the Trees. See the
Bitcoin in the zine.
Looks like she's
featuring BitChill.
Billy the Kids, Top Thought.
Dan's Brief Commentary on Futures.
Elvis Mercury and Jason B.
Let's see if we can get the web version loading again.
Maybe.
Maybe not.
Oh, we can.
There you go.
What do you think about that one, Keon?
I think it's great.
I actually hadn't had a chance to peruse this issue yet,
so I'm looking forward to it.
yeah if you want to see it check it out online or buy the zine um and yeah you have uh go to
plebpoet.com zines oh there you go you can get we're also selling uh all of our zines
oh yeah right in a christmas bundle and if you want to if you want a really inconvenienced
blood poet you can you can purchase you have to get them out before christmas is what you're saying
Yeah, she'll have to print out like 50 zines.
That's awesome.
And you get a free Sammy.
It's very experimental, but it should be cool.
They're going to be like, and each zine is in its own sleeve.
Do they get a free sticker too or no?
Do they get a what?
A free stacker news sticker.
Oh, we should.
I think we talked about doing that.
I think we've done that, but each issue is its own.
Well, for Christmas, you're getting a free stacker news sticker.
Okay.
Well, Carr's going to make you a ham for Christmas.
That's what he does.
I'm just kidding.
Talk to Pleb Poet.
She can sneak you in a stacker news sticker.
Each issue is in its own plastic sleeve,
and then that's going to be bound together with rings.
Maybe you guys are doing plastic sleeves now.
That's right, dude.
They're like comic books.
That's awesome.
Pleb Poet was trying to figure out how to, I don't know,
deliver this many zines without just a big stack of unwieldy paper.
You know, I always had an idea for like, well, I guess I shouldn't say it because it'll come true.
Okay.
It's okay.
Let it come true.
I always had an idea for Pleb Prime.
Just never did it.
Pleb Prime?
It's like Amazon Prime for plebs.
Okay.
But how would that work?
I got an idea.
Anyways.
And it's a name.
You shared the name.
With an idea.
I have the name and I have an idea.
I didn't buy the domain name, though.
But it's written somewhere.
Or it's in a note somewhere.
I forget.
That was like a 22 car idea.
Anyways, cool stuff, man.
Get it now.
Number 37.
Yeah, 37.
So there'll probably be how many more?
38, 39.
Maybe we get to 40.
By the end of the year?
Yeah.
How many more weeks are left?
Two more weeks left.
Yeah.
So we won't get.
Oh, here she comes.
40 will probably be the first version.
How many more zines are left?
I just want to say, I believe this idea came from Context.
Yeah, at Context with a K.
Because of his suggestion, what we're going to do for the final zine of the year is a year in review.
Wow, that's amazing.
So how many more zines for the year in review?
So we got 37.
That was today.
38, that was going to be next week, which is going to be...
39?
So yeah, 39 will be the final one.
That's going to be cool.
Yeah, 39 isn't a great number.
Is it a prime number?
It's a prime number.
Oh, there you go.
That sounds like a good number.
Well, it goes into 39.
What's factors of 39?
Oh, it's like nine and...
Yeah, that's for sure.
That's a really easy one.
Cool stuff.
33.
um yeah can you can you answer the question do you get a free stacker news or an snz sticker or
anything like that what do you wait what is there like a sticker you get with um during christmas
no i totally roll back the tape no i haven't done any stickers in a while okay oh excuse yeah
My machine that cuts the stickers
Doesn't really like
We're not really getting along
Oh wow
So pray for us
Yeah
We will, we'll keep you in our advent calendar
His name's Frank
Oh, well
Check it out
Check it out, all the zines here
Oh, then also I should mention
You know what else makes a great holiday gift?
I got it
It's on my coffee table
her book oh yeah go to that click that button and see this one and see this is a great um
wow did you vibe code that bro you can see like half the pages yeah
and then you can buy somebody's going to take this book and write songs with it i just know it
i can feel it um but yeah you should you should definitely get it it makes a great holiday gift
there you go
a tiny inkling of things far beyond me
should be good stuff
alright cool
let's jump into
Top Cowboys
baby
Top Cowboys
where is it at
Top Cowboys
right there
you got your hat
oh okay
what's going on
you're out of it
have you been sleeping you've been getting enough air uh i think i'm low on carbon dioxide i'm fine
i'm just you know like are you high on carbon dioxide high on carb you can say whatever you
want it's fine um yeah so okay so we got cowboys again i don't see the most popular segment in
bitcoin oh that's right we forget to remind everyone it's the most popular segment it's
really a warning that we need to do this is really why we haven't uh cut this up it could
harmful your health if you why one wasn't clipped this this is where all the alpha is at in this one
segment no what i'm sorry i think what happens is i get when you talk over me i get hypnotized
and i just can't i think that's like part of i'll stop talking over you
i just i just want to talk a little shit back um you should okay so i don't think anything it's
good for the views right yeah listens perhaps but yeah maybe people like it people like the
back and forth yeah i think yeah i like watching a steamroller work that's how that's like uh
and uh okay but uh i don't think anything's really much has changed in the lists here as
far as i can tell there's probably been some movement but probably not ot right dramatic
amounts of it looks like it could be ot ot check if you're listening to this check your nodes uh
your receiving note it is it is being wonky so he's pretty busy he's the father husband a big
corner musician a composer a traveler a large maximus those are a lot he's got a lot going on
manteca love it um let's keep going yeah what else we got court reporter womble um keppard
flat poet cj i'm right there 40 jb 55 came back he did an ama this he did an ama it was a great ama
did you click on it uh did you ask him a question i did ask him a question i asked him
c versus rust and he said c that was oh wow yeah yeah let's see pretty crazy stuff
love to see it uh who else do we have
oscar was here this week oh yeah yeah oscar had some more i think he had news too
gosh so much stuff happening i always remind yeah right here this one uh fat 1.4 got released
yeah they just announced it today it looks like they basically revamped their wallet yeah
they're using strike
oh they switch to strike
I think that's what I read at the bottom earlier when I skimmed it
yeah withdraw strike is doing great
things we're proud to partner with them
there you go
cool stuff
oh I don't know if they're using strike
you might be able to withdraw to strike
but maybe it might not be
a strike wallet underneath
okay yeah
cool check it out
and who else do we have
that was here this week.
I thought I saw somebody else.
Yeah, Geyser was here this week.
Plunda was here.
I was talking to Plunda this week on there.
And yeah, there's Plunda.
And Peter Tomaheider.
Bitcoin PlebDev.
Oh yeah, Bitcoin PlebDev had a release this week.
I saw that.
Where's that one at?
Yeah, yeah.
Froster.
Yeah, he released Froster.
Did you see this?
Oh, yeah.
I mean, a lot of these posts just came in.
I saw this briefly.
There you go.
pretty awesome i still haven't dove into froster yet but that should make it a lot easier for me
to give it a shot i'd love to see it uh everybody's shipping before the end of the year yeah i'd love
to see it you want to deliver um and we got socks 93 sooks sooks um and that's it that's all we got
oh wait hang on i think we got one more one more yeah we got right here we got
comments apparently graphene os we had a comment here that said google won't do google wallet on
graphene os so no thanks and then somebody said nexus is the hardware from last two decades
are they talking about the nexus phone are they talking about which phone is that
i don't know this is on an old post right yeah yeah that one that got quite a few views about
graphene i think the nexus was what they used to call their google phone oh this is before the
pixel i think so maybe that's something else i maybe that was the one that they partnered did
they partner with somebody before they started making their own hardware i don't remember but
i do remember something google releasing that was called nexus at some point so well
and then we had some fountain comments blockchain boots exact undiscipline said
we're above you jabronis on the charts right now oh let's probably would you start it coob now now
they hate us i didn't start anything i was beef with the our only friends on the podcast circuit
or one of us true really we should be a few friends we should be partnering and promoting
each other you know you know you know what i propose i just thought this right now you know
i propose i think they should do an episode of snl and we do an episode of stacker sports
you could do that yeah we flip like you flip for a week and see like what like what like what
like what happens like we take their format we do their format and then they do our format for one
week what do you think about that how do you think that would go uh i think it's convoluted and no
one would get it it's like too much of an inside joke and it's only it's only the only people get
it is us and them and everyone else would be confused uh but we should do something like
you know like lex friedman and joe rogan oh hey like you know they kind of like partnered up and
Did they partner up?
I don't know.
It seemed like they did for a while where they were kind of,
I don't know, having each other on.
I don't know how that would work.
I don't know how partnerships work.
I'm too antisocial to know how partnerships work.
Are you going to go on their show?
I don't have anything to say about sports.
They want to talk about lightning wallets.
I'm an expert on that right now.
Anyways, I thought that was a funny comment about this.
I know they're just joking.
it would be tough to fill in gray ruby shoes he's pretty like when you listen to their podcast like
they're pretty in depth like yeah sports stuff i know i remember i was like i did a little bit of
uh what a super bowl analysis where oh yeah and then he just like completely schooled me i was
he was like no that is not who that that is not where that player ranks in the league or whatever
and it's like yeah it's a good pot definitely check it out oh let's see here what else we got
I think that's it. Oh, wait, you got one comment from Super Sacker.
He says, I can't even count the number of times a young, fresh-faced college student has told me
they want to make the Airbnb of, whether that's surfboards,
ski equipment, video games, or whatever. For some reason, those ideas haven't really taken off.
I wonder why that is. There you go, Keon.
Can I count the number of times a young, so they want to make...
Oh. When you were talking earlier about your
early startup idea? I think the way you... I didn't know...
like I imagine it sort of being like a huge Amazon global thing.
I think what you want to do is you want to probably start out on a college
town, have a warehouse, and then just,
you serve only that local town and you figure out how to make that work.
And I'm not saying I have all the answers, how to make that work,
but I think that's where you'd start is you have, you know,
a small college town with a population of maybe 50,000 where there's like a
high need for kind of temporary usage of things too,
which I think would overlap well with a college town.
and then you just want to build a great website that's really easy to browse and really easy to
find thing and find things simple stack right now no but this is how i would build it today if i were
to build this if i were trying to build this as a business like that's how that's how i think you
want to do it when i did it i didn't really know too much about how you might need to start something
like that but that's probably how you do it i think it probably will happen it just might
just listen to the airbnb what's his name brian chess chess ski chess ski whatever just listen to
interviews like it sounds like the when you bring rural road and then the two-sided marketplace and
i mean it's tough man well that's the thing about threat like stuff like this is it's you're
primarily just uh you're accepting donations so like you are provided you are it's a one-sided
marketplace because you're pretty much fully providing the supply sort of like amazon does
it's just so you only have to fulfill the demand um which should be i think for a lot of things
pretty easy if they're if you're gonna get the cost low anyway that's my thought about it
uh optim said till kub has a really great partner because he only needs to drill for one hour
a year well what what does your partner have you doing where you're using a drill more than a like
do you have any like build her like a i don't know like a separate unit a separate wing of
the house or something yeah i live in a 600 square foot uh single bedroom i don't know what
you call it like uh it was like built in the 1930s it's tiny there's like not a whole there
there aren't there aren't enough things to drill into yeah amount to more than a year so um sounds
like everybody's coming right now what are you doing this weekend kiyon uh i think i need to
set up my office still haven't done it yet everything is in like more or less out of boxes
but not arranged so it'd be nice to get get things somewhat organized and livable so that's probably
my my big my big great task this weekend how about you what are you i'm definitely gonna have a beer
right after this show and then we're gonna go watch a show we're gonna go we're gonna go to a
show tonight what show who are you seeing i don't know who we're seeing i think um some band should
be good nick nick has a certain type of music that he likes right yeah me and him grew up in
the same type of music it's like punk pop right it's like it's like 2000s like avril lavine type
yeah it's like all the bands we used to listen to me and nick used to listen to like thrice and
like uh saves the day all that stuff okay so a little more rock pop it's like the 2000s 2010s
yeah okay but you're just you're giving me a year it's not not like people who follow me on
stacker news know what kind of music i'll just post enough music post to let people know um but
yeah we're gonna go do that that should be fun i'm gonna go drink a beer and uh yeah i'll be here
tomorrow uh what are we doing tomorrow there's something going on tomorrow
oh i guess not mine slipped anyways y'all have yourself a great weekend stackers we'll see you
next time zap