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easy to transition from high risk to having i mean your tis levels i think the transition
requires its own set of like powerful oh what would that be like it's like you're good at one
or you're good at the other or third thing you're good at both okay but that's to start with that
us to end with two z's so what would that word be to describe that there is there is but what you
got because you got three three things you're there isn't bad it'd be nice if it had like a
root word like charisma or autism yeah um because you're like dynamic right that's like kind of the
feature there you're malleable that needs an s in it you are
piz succulent a pisser hello ladies and gentlemen we've been live for the last minute while they
talked how you doing this weekend okay yeah sorry yeah um how am i doing nice weekend
is that what you said does that it must is my name changed a nice weekend how you doing this
weekend oh am i doing this week i'm doing great no i said how you doing this weekend oh well the
weekend hasn't started yet officially started it's friday oh is that how we can't ask him that until
the end what are you doing i'm changing it up oh gosh this is the beginning it's day one oh wait
wait wait a second wait did you not wait are you used to me doing a normal routine every week
who me i'm asking you yeah what's keenan used to i do are you used to a structure i'm used to you
asking me one question at the beginning no we're not doing that this week no i'm asking you how's
how's your weekend going started today's friday this is great the wait wait do you want me to go
back to a structure that we had wait what's this i thought this was a podcast this must be the
anti-podcast is that what i've joined well carl likes to attack people on the pod so it seems like
that's what he's doing oh i'm not attacking you don't have a slay segment in a while no no i'm
I'm trying to change it up this week.
Because last week you were like, we started the beginning of the podcast.
And you didn't want to go along with the normal routine.
You're like, oh, I don't feel like doing it.
I don't want to do a normal podcast.
So this is Carr not doing the normal podcast.
It's definitely not what I said.
And that's not what happened.
But congrats.
So this is me not doing the normal podcast.
At the beginning.
On slaying yourself.
there is no slight this is what happens when we don't have a normal beginning
well i'm enjoying i could sit here all day just not having a normal beginning
maybe that's the version of me that you met last week who said they don't like a normal beginning
they maybe maybe that's who i am today just giving you a taste of your own medicine cube
uh how was your week tastes pretty good um how was your week it was pretty good i had a pretty
good week i did vinyasas which i'm proud of myself it's been so long um so uh good job
it's like yoga things where you move and breathe in sync with uh that's like what they call it but
so you can get yeah like i go to these classes where you do that for like an hour like an hour
but you've been bicycling i've been seeing you've been bicycling uh bicycling have i been bicycling
yeah i thought i saw you this week bicycling my bicycle to yoga i did leave with my bike from the
office and now i store it yeah nice elsewhere but um yeah that's great everything else is good
that is my conclusion for the week's activities how about play poet how was your week oh how's my
week my week was awesome uh i i was playing some sand volleyball this week whoa and i haven't done
that in a long time it was really fun oh where yeah where like on lamar is that the only place
no there's like a small park on the east side that i went to and i'm gonna go again tomorrow
amazing i played volleyball in school and so found out it's kind of like riding a bike
you just you still can bump sets bike no problem cool dang that's amazing did you like not continue
because you're not tall enough to compete with i didn't continue because i was really scared and
intimidated of uh being hit in the face how many did you ever get in the face yeah
how many
points do you go up to
do you go up to points
yeah we just did 21
we had a pretty good set of teams
I think it was like 4 or 5
5 on 5
maybe Satoshi was a volleyball player
why do you say that
21 points
21
well it's like when you play ping pong you play 21
oh maybe he played ping pong
he probably played ping pong that sounds more like it
yeah
especially if he's low res
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We're going to jump into the top five stories
that are the top five stories of the week
here on Stacker.News, the front page of Bitcoin.
The number five top story is Wasabi Wallet version 2.7.0 was released.
Privacy Wallet for Bitcoin only.
This was from Crew, 13 comments.
He boosted 200K sats, rained on the stackers this week.
3,466 sats.
Key on.
So that 200K go to all the rewards.
Is that where that went?
No, actually 70% of it went to me.
Really?
The Bitcoin territory.
so you get a boost in money or territories
as a territory founder
you get
so only
30k of that
went to
60k
60k of that went to
rewards
yeah
somebody should make a bitcoin 2 territory
but the bad news is
I spend way more than
140k
somebody forked the bitcoin territory
Yeah, anyway, this is, I guess, Wasami Wallet had a new release.
And, you know, they say it's, like, relatively minor,
and they're just stabilizing things.
I guess they didn't have any big, you know, wow features.
But some of these features sound pretty cool.
Like, I guess they allow you to connect to Bitcoin nodes
that are running, or RPC, Bitcoin nodes RPC interface over Tor now.
I guess they didn't do that before.
Or maybe it was harder to do or something.
The other thing they did was they made it easier to switch between different test networks.
I was expecting to be able to see the post.
Oh, sorry.
Let me go back.
I was going to the GitHub because that's usually where all the details are at.
I should have had it up on my own screen.
They did a bunch of UI stuff.
um i guess if you're if you're running a wasabi coordinator you now have an onion service when it
when it starts so you don't need to do any tour setup yourself which is a bonus for coordinators
i don't i don't as far as i know there's only a few coordinators right now but maybe there are
private coordinators that i'm just not aware of um didn't wasabi wallet close down though i thought
they like i thought they closed down the project uh i think they stopped running their own didn't
they weren't they like i mean this is me i don't know anything by the way this is just car talking
at his butt so um weren't they like didn't they properly raise and all that kind of stuff i don't
know if they raised money i don't know anything like that i do know that they ran a coordinator
in the past because the coordinator is a great way to make money um but it comes with certain
like legal liabilities, legal risks.
And so they ran their own coordinator and they had a website where they would, you know,
kind of publish a blog and these release notes and stuff.
I think they're still working on the software.
I don't know if the team itself is, but I think they have maintainers on it and stuff.
Or this is a fork of the original Wasabi, and this is like another website.
but I believe around the time that Samurai got indicted,
they took down the website, took down their coordinator.
It's my memory, but someone might want to look that up.
But now it seems like the crew who runs probably the most popular
Wasabi coordinator is promoting these releases and stuff.
That's usually where I learn about them.
oh interesting yeah there you go check it out all the notes are in the github where you link to
and um yeah it looks like it's a it's a busy um it's a busy project it's like 340 issues
looks like a lot of it's being um resolved some of them yeah great way to get your coin joints
it looks like a lot of it's being commented on a lot of pull requests stuff's getting fixed um
yeah there you go the next top story is here let me go here show sn buoy compare bitcoin only
wallets exchanges and tools this is from jasper vendery bitcoin territory 24 comments 10k boost
3 130 cents keon another boost 10k boost man people are people are paying to get into the top
five these days uh you can't boost yourself in the top five well so he has to be working on he
got there by zaps so but maybe the visibility helped him get more zaps so there's helping him
get on stacker news lots that's part of it anyway uh yeah it looks like they created a cool um kind
of like bitcoin product registry type thing where you can browse wallets or nodes or
a variety of bitcoin products and compare them against each other uh so they have a few categories
that you people if they're watching um they can see but if you're not watching they list like
exchanges including peer-to-peer exchanges uh and decentralized ones like bisque without kyc um
ways to spend bitcoin like either wallets or services storage options and
like note in a box type services and software and then also products for merchants it's it's
not not a complete list but the tooling is pretty good it actually does a great job of
kind of presenting everything in a way i find not super overwhelming um yeah but it's a cool site
i think sites like this are really useful people usually abandon them which is always such a bummer
so you get you get someone who kind of gets 80 of the way there and then they kind of lose the
their juice but when i pull it up it's definitely a light mode and i don't know how to make it dark
mode like you're might be a system setting it's probably sensitive to the system preferences of
your operating system is it this button down here okay oh no it's not uh but these can be
these can be great businesses like if you if you run a very successful
kind of registry like this i don't know what you call like a catalog like this you can get people to
advertise like if i have a bit maybe i have a maybe i'm in this buy bitcoin category and i want
to be at the front left of it you know what i mean like i want to be all the way there
and i can maybe pay a couple thousand sats or something to move up so oh have you tried that
compare function yeah compare function if you so go back down to where the little they are and then
And if you choose two and click inside that little circle up at the top.
Oh, okay.
So you see, let's go with, let's go with aqua.
Oh.
So you'll have to like do right on that circle.
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
So aqua and maryse.
And now you've got the compare button.
Oh, that's cool.
Look at that.
Yeah.
That's really neat.
Oh, wow.
That's just, yeah, that's just good input.
Yeah, I didn't even see that circle without the in dark mode.
interesting cool yeah but these are always fun so i guess that i got in the uh it's cool it has
the founders like choose your founder i definitely know what you're saying though like people
like i'm a bunch of these like type of sites like spin up all the time
yeah but i haven't seen one in a long time and i definitely haven't seen one that
looks as nice as this does yeah this gives me confidence and uh maybe bitcoin isn't
like people haven't lost complete interest in bitcoin yeah which is what it kind of feels like
yep sometimes true
buoy looks good really cool stuff yeah it would be interesting to see more more stuff added
it's probably somewhat of a manual process oh totally like you can tell this takes a lot of
time but it would be cool i like the compare feature that's really cool but imagine him doing
multiple ones and
multiple segments of the
ecosystem could be very
valuable.
It could be sort of like,
well, maybe not entirely like a glass node,
but it could be a similar type
of service that
could evolve into something like that.
Interesting.
Let's jump
into the next top story. The next top
story is Peter Todd
has been busy spreading
lies on Stark News. This is
uh bitcoin terry jr august 31st from omaha 69 comments 7218 sets keon what's this yeah so this
is uma hq i believe so i'd probably say it closely related to omaha probably his second third cousin
um as far as words go there was uh yeah peter todd last week i think we covered it he wrote about
I think Luke made a statement about what data carrier size for the option or the configuration option when you're running Bitcoin Core meant.
And he said that Luke made a mistake when stating what it was for.
And Uma HQ believes that Peter Todd was incorrect about his correction of Luke.
And so that's what this post is about.
They do, Peter Todd pointed out to a certain, I think, Bitcoin Core version 0.9, the release notes to that, which kind of supported his case and what he thought data carrier size was intended for.
and UmaHQ points to more history, I guess,
supporting their claims that Peter Todd is, they say, lying,
but maybe missing other history.
This debate has turned pretty political.
so uh it's really most bitcoiners i think would agree that they don't want
data uh you know arbitrary data on chain and that bitcoin is for money
but they all disagree about what is a reasonable solution to the problem or like how best to solve
it and so we just end up mostly bickering and kind of you know talking talking about things
like this like what happened in the past is did you do you know exactly what happened in the past
do you know exactly what they were saying then and what they meant by what they were saying
if not i proved i'd score a point and my side advances and your side advances less
and we're gonna keep going until i guess my bigger question is key on yeah why didn't you
know last week that he was spreading lies uh i don't think he is spreading lies uh because we
brought it up last week and we were talking about it because he was in the top five wasn't in the
top five last week yeah it wasn't top five last week okay and you didn't bring up any of that i
don't think that's what i'm saying it's like his opinion yeah no but i'm saying like you're supposed
to be our guy that like verifies all this stuff beforehand wait uh this is a different post that
was in the top post last week no but i'm saying like for the show keon's the guy that verifies
this stuff so he was supposed to call out peter todd no no i'm just saying like he was supposed to
to check the like check check fact check everything and what are you talking what fact are you talking
about hang on let like like no i think that's a great question what fact are you talking about
that i should have checked that i didn't check i don't know read the read the thing and see if
i don't know see if the developer stuff makes sense because the peter todd is spreading lies
is an opinion rather than fact no but i'm saying last week's like here let's go back to last week
let's go oh no let's not do it let's just okay well all i'm saying from my like side because if
somebody's watching this they're gonna be like well why didn't keon say anything last week
about the because if i'm watching this from a viewer perspective and you know nothing about
bitcoin and i don't know nothing about bitcoin i'm like well car and keon reported this last week
and they said everything we didn't report it as a lie because i don't think it's a lie i think okay
that's all i'm asking you is like why didn't you report it as a lie i don't think it's a lie if now
that we're showing that it is a lie but i mean peter peter todd's post that's all i was saying
so i don't actually know what luke has said because i'm not following all the the political
nonsense that is kind of surrounding this stuff but i do know what peter todd said and uh the
release notes are valid and that's actually what was there um i guess you know did i i don't know
i wasn't familiar with more of the context here from what i can tell it it really doesn't do much
to um uh demonstrate that peter todd had anything uh factually inaccurate that's my interpretation
like you know perhaps there's a gray area here he did he did not describe the you know the change
the change to the data carrier size documentation that had everyone up in arms a few months ago
that's you know some ume hq spent some time in here doing that uh i don't but i don't think that
has anything to do with a specific thing that peter todd is talking about he did what else did
he describe he described there were some other instances where data carriers and data carrier
size were discussed in other documentation that suggested it had more generic use than just an
opportune um and you know whether that means that it it was intended that way you know we can't peer
into the mind of a person let alone a person 10 years ago so uh from what i can tell this this is
like for this specific issue this has gone way overboard i don't but i don't think peter todd
has any reason to lie i don't think luke has any reason to lie and even peter todd had the courtesy
of just saying luke was wrong um and not lying um so next week we might have another top story that
says keon's lying they're all lying whom hq is lying about they're all about luke being wrong
um i'm kidding but i mean but why do you think developers care about these details from like a
perspective for the snaggers that are listening at home like what why why do developers care about
these little small details for uh so i don't know if like help me understand that as a as a pleb
i don't know if umahq is a developer so that's okay like tell me like help me understand like
why do i do developers care about these little small details why is it important why do developers
care about small details like this like why do they care about calling out these little small
details um i don't think it's developers specifically so you mean why do people care
about no because there's obviously there's obviously an important thing around this like
there's like because like it looks like from last week there's an important reason why peter todd
brought this up and then if you go back to here they like he also omaha brought this back up um
saying that no this is wrong so like they're going back and forth on these specific details like why
is it so important i think you sarcastically demonstrated it earlier when you're saying
they just want points on their side points for their team i don't this is like no different than
the the kind of thing that happens around a political debate like the kind of thing that
happens around a political campaign it's like why does why does you're asking me why does
donald trump care about the uh the emails hillary clinton's emails why are politicians so obsessed
about emails you're saying it's more of a a political debate yeah and a one-upmanship one
upsmanship yeah we've moved beyond like productive conversation about this and now it's like what is
the history what are the history books say do you know the full history do you have it 100 accurate
it if you don't it shows that you aren't worthy of making a decision about this issue okay yeah
cool yeah well i feel like this was a productive conversation as this is kind of like the um
yeah i feel like this is a good productive conversation helps me understand better i'm
sure some stacker out there appreciates it well to the i mean to a little bit to i think um hq
They dedicated part of their post to suggesting that Peter Todd has been more pro-data on chain than even people who are in favor of the operaturn changes we're seeing in core are.
And that that is maybe, you know.
Oh, so this is all going back to the core versus nots thing is what you're saying.
Oh, yes.
It's all directly related.
to so are they both on opposite sides of that yeah so um hq is on the not what i would i would
guess and i'm pretty sure that part was obvious yeah i didn't know that part this is what we're
peter todd i would say is on the core core okay well then now we know
we'll talk a little bit more about this in wumbo's pick okay cool uh the number two top story is
shutting down my routing no this is from zero three one four fifty eight comments ten thousand
k boost 28 12 sats key on another boost yeah got another one this one in the lightning territory so
that money didn't go to me none of it went to me um who's got the lightning territory
dang uh yeah so uh zero three one four f6 b a b two they had been running a a node since 2019
they had one bitcoin of liquidity which is a lot but they had forwarded um twice as much as that
for the six years that it was running um but i guess i guess they didn't reap enough reward from
that uh they said they're losing money they're paying they're paying significantly more in minor
fees that is like getting transactions mind either open or closed channels um or possibly
even do swaps. I didn't really hint at that.
They said they most recently, like the precipitating event, was they got
an HDLC worth 3 million SATs stuck on chain
and they're not sure if they're going to be able to get it. They're also kind of
unhappy with the development on Lightning
because there are a lot of kind of proposed
protocol upgrades that we're not seeing and
the routing node implementation
that he is using L&D.
So he's kind of, I don't know.
That's crazy that he's dissatisfied
with the Lightning project,
or Lightning, I should say,
Lightning the company.
Yeah, dissatisfied with L&D,
but also with his performance as a router.
And I guess he went to BTC Prague in 2023,
and there was a Lightning panel
where the panel there, the developers there,
were suggesting that routing nodes are only for professionals.
I don't know.
I don know the full context Maybe they meant you know people who want to do it seriously and not like people who want it as a full job but people who want to make it a real hobby of theirs
I would say that is probably.
I feel like people like that should come to PubLab.
There's a lot of lightning maximalists in here.
What would change for them, you think?
I think they would be around other lightning maximalists
and they would see.
They would just get their opinion by osmosis.
they would be okay with like losing a couple of minutes i'm just saying they would hear an
alternative view maybe oh well i think that was just one of the points he said it was the last
point to be fair so i think some of these other issues are probably bigger contributors because i
imagine if you just keep hearing the same view over and over and over and over and over again
eventually it's just going to stick i don't i'm not even sure it sounds like he pointed out one
particular view he heard so i'm not sure he heard it from multiple sources or over and over again
I mean, it's one of four things that he listed.
So I'm sure there's a lot of reasons,
but he made sure to point that out.
OK.
Well, yeah, so he's shutting it down.
And RIP node, routing node, this dude's routing node.
But he should still run a node.
He should still run a Lightning node for himself
for making payments.
That's what a lot of stackers chime in with.
and I let some other people chime in about helping him get his HDLC unstuck.
Yeah, it looks like a lot of people chime in.
And hopefully.
Any good ones in here, Kion?
Something DarthCoin said I would be curious.
Okay, go down a little bit.
You just passed it.
Yep.
He was like, okay, run private nodes at the very, very bottom.
Okay.
public nodes are for profit oh there you go and i don't know how like darth coin that is
whoa oh that's quite darth coin is that like an extreme no oh you mean is that oh i see no that
is a um if you're going to run a node for personal use uh it you might as well run it with private
channels private nodes means private channels like you're not telling people that you basically
have a lightning node there yeah you can make a payment from it your peers know that you exist but
no one else on the network knows so you make payments from it and you can receive payments to
it right but only you're just using lightning as like the infrastructure for yeah that it is you're
using it for strictly personal use the public node would be more so you want to participate
in the public sphere the public network you want to earn yield is that the thing yeah is that what
could earn yield from running a public node but some people just i think their default for a lot
of channels when you open them are public so a lot of people aren't even yeah that's conscious
of what's happening that's why it kind of struck me as like wait i hadn't really like thought of it
as like a dichotomy like that like private versus public node i'm not a node runner so i i don't
know any of it but well you run an app that uses a cache apps node i love cache app
cash app is a public node or has yeah uh okay i think they pay tftc for spots like that so maybe
we should stop average that's fine well i just love cash app that's all i'll just say that all
day long i just yeah i'm messing around so it looks like yeah so it looks like a lot of good
comments in here if you guys want to check it out there's so a lot of different versions but i mean
I think Sacker News is like going to have a ton of lightning maximalists on here.
So you're going to get here from a lot of people with a lot of different sides.
And I think they think everybody runs all the different flavors.
So if you have any lightning questions,
Sacker News is probably the place to come and ask your lightning questions.
You'll definitely get a lot of stats and a lot of,
of your questions answered and how to,
how to start up a note,
how to run a note,
all that kind of stuff.
Yeah.
You bring up an answer to the point.
I'm wondering why they're only reconsidering LDK
when Core Lightning has all the features that they want,
the dual funding, the liquidity ads, and Bolt 12 now.
But maybe they don't like Blockstream or something
or projects associated with them.
But that is a Lightning implementation that exists today
that you can run that has, as far as I know,
parity with most of L&D's features.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
there's just so many good options out there.
Cool.
The final top story of the week,
the number one top story is I got scammed out of 1.4 BTC.
This is from Lightning Struck, Lightning Territory,
45 comments, 1,600, 400,000 sats.
Key on.
What is this?
Wow.
1,600, 400.
Sorry.
Wait, is that not how I say it?
Oh, 16,400.
I think you made a misstated it.
Well, then go right ahead.
Yeah.
Clean it up.
We'll clean it up in posts.
So Lightning struck.
They were running a node, too.
And I think they were saying they were running it profitably.
Like they were doing pretty good.
Or maybe it was their old node.
But anyway, the most recent node that they were running,
they were making money by facilitating a lot of swaps.
and selling liquidity on Amboss.
I guess what happened was they ran into a bug
when they were trying to do something on Amboss.
And so they went into the Amboss Telegram group
and reached out about help.
Shortly after they did that,
they got a DM from someone on Telegram named Jesse
who sent them a message
claiming that they were Amboss' Jesse
and were there to help.
And then the other admins from the Telegram chat started DMing them and telling them that Jesse would help them.
So they listened to the Jesse that was DMing them and eventually ended up putting their seed phrase to their backing their L&D node into a website online that the Jesse they were chatting to told them to put it into.
and then oh i guess over the course of a few days their uh lnd wallet got drained of their
hop their lnd hot wallet the lnd the on-chain funds i think they had um sitting waiting to be
deployed perhaps got got taken by the these telegram scammers so the jesse they were talking
to in DMs was not actually Jesse Jestifer, one of the founders, co-founders of Amboss.
It was a scammer posing as Jesse.
And then the other people that were DMing them, Anthony, AP, would be Anthony, who's
another founder of Telegram.
It was probably from the same scammer running another account.
And they said throughout the entire process, they were getting kind of yellow, lots of
yellow, orange flags.
And quite a few of them were red flags,
but they maybe weren't,
for some reason their alarm bells weren't going off.
They just kind of kept proceeding
and kind of thinking they were talking to the real Jesse.
They kind of really bought into it.
But in total, they ended up losing 1.4 Bitcoin.
and um but they said they were they said they quickly realized once they once they saw that
their wallet was empty that this was happening and they very uh cautiously closed all the channels
to the node shut it down and move the funds as fast as possible before the scammers could
could move them to a wallet in their control um what else did he say in here i think he said
I think he said that in the past he had had a node
that he had also lost Bitcoin on,
not for a scam,
but just because he had a hardware failure
and didn't know enough to recover it.
But he said that since he shut down this node,
he's gone back and recovered that old node.
And in recovering that old node,
he discovered some Bitcoin that was locked up on that node.
Gosh, man.
What a lie.
I said the silver lining to it always is in doing research around L&D and recovery,
I thought of the old node that I had.
Yeah.
That sucks.
What did everybody say?
What's the top comment from Megadreamer?
Yeah, Megadreamer says, sorry for your loss.
I hope there was a lifelong learning from this incident.
Nothing good ever happens on Telegram.
That's why I don't use it.
That's why I'm not on it.
I'm kind of afraid to open it.
I haven't opened it in a long time.
yeah i get a lot of dms from people saying hi hello well i remember when i first started using
telegram in 2020 2021 and then once somebody impersonated me in 21 remember keon and somebody
you don't remember that yeah i don't think so yeah well in 21 22 somebody was impersonating me
and then once that happened to me and then once i saw how it really affected my life i never used
it again i was like never going to use telegram and since then i never used it that's why i'm like
a big proponent of not using telegram i would not get back on it yeah we just it's not worth the
it's not worth it it's just not and so whenever i see like i mean no no i'm not throwing any shade
at anybody or any company or anything that uses telegram but whenever i see that it just that's
just a yellow flag for me every time i'm just like why would you use telegram for your company's
thing why not use something else it's just there's other there's other ways like there's a service
support chat thing that you can buy i think zapra uses service support for their thing like you can
there's so many other ways to go on about this i think there are trade-offs here and that's why a
lot of these people use telegram for customer support and it's like what makes it easy for
scammers it also what makes it easy for genuine customers to use it is it's a very easy to use
chat app that doesn't have many requirements for signing up and a lot of people are already on it
has a network effect but if you're running a if you're running a service to your customers though
and then this is me this is not me throwing shade or anybody who uses this this is not i'm just
telling you from like a business perspective because i used to work in like support for for
a website company and so we we ran a like we ran a support chat thing and so i remember we would
have to go through the chat we get spammers in there too but we were controlling the other side
of that so that's all i would say is like if you're taking your support seriously you would
use a normal chat app
okay yeah well i think that's good advice i think you know having something a little more dedicated
for... I mean, all those
fintech companies use them.
Yeah, that's...
Maybe it's time to step up
Bitcoin, time to step up
their game.
It's just sad
to see 1.4 BTC
go to a scammer
for a
social engineering attack.
It was good of this person
to share the story.
Yeah, for sure.
Good for people to be reminded.
it i guess yeah yeah it's what it's it's always the good ones that get scammed right then they
can communicate the scam at least well anyways that's that's all the top stories here on stacker
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So we're,
we're deploying our,
maybe this is more inside podcasting stuff,
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we can release episodes early
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is that not a thing?
I thought that's what they were going to say
there's a book called Fountainhead
it's a good book
I don't know why I said that.
I guess I thought that's what it was called.
With all that, we're going to jump into it.
They should call their users.
Definitely should.
It really fits Bitcoin ethos, that book.
Yeah.
I thought that's what they were called, Fountainheads.
I think you just came up with that.
I think that's yours.
Really nice.
You should sell that to Oscar.
Yeah, sell that.
Bring subscribers.
Sell it back.
Well, I'm happy to support Oscar.
Anyway, Stacker News Live is officially on Fountain's podcasting distribution thing.
We're excited.
We're excited to check it out.
To imagine the merch, you could have like a hat that has a fountain on top and just like gut pour.
I mean, dude, it's a really cool thing.
I'm excited.
I'm excited to use it.
But yeah, if you want this pot early, definitely check it out.
We're going to jump into the AI Bitcoin stuff.
So this week, Optimism released this on the first.
He had all the, I mean, I guess it's the front page of AI Bitcoin.
Is that what we're calling it now, I guess?
AI Bitcoin.
What do you mean by that?
I mean, like, he gathers all the AI news and gives it a Bitcoin lens on it.
And it's pretty fascinating.
I looked at this post.
It's a lot.
So this week he's talking about they're taking our jobs, or are they?
And then he quotes this Kazon post, and he really gets into it.
There was a couple of them I wanted to share.
I did grab one of them I thought was fascinating.
The Will Smith concert crowds.
I don't know if you saw this, Keon.
I did see it.
But apparently they're like, there was this, this, this, these real, because like, you know, I don't know if you heard about Will Smith, but Will Smith got kind of banned from Hollywood because of the slap that was heard across the world.
He slapped Chris Rock and then won an Oscar.
Anyways, long story short, he, he then, you know, got banned from Hollywood and now he's having to go back to music.
And, and so now he's doing concerts and stuff to make a living.
but they're saying that he was using like ai
yeah he's having to use ai to like show some of these
thing that they're not actually real crowds out there
do you see the ai stuff yeah you can see where there are weird inconsistencies
with it but they're saying that they're they're saying that he's actually
really is there like there actually really are crowds there he's not like faking his attendance
people really do like Will Smith music
and there are people there
but he's just like optimizing
the
what do you call it?
density?
yeah
what is the music?
Big Willie style, that was a big album back in the 90s
I think it's like hip hop, kind of poppy
poppy hip hop
getting jiggy with it
right
and it's like PG friendly
it's super PG
he was super popular in the 90s
You remember that?
He was.
Yeah, he did.
He was peaking on.
It did well.
Anyways, yeah, so you can see here.
So they're saying that he's automatically getting like,
like it's just upscaling basically.
It's not actually, he's not making these fake crowds.
So anyway, I thought that was fascinating.
People are trying to struggle Smith, but he's saying.
So the presentation of the concert online
is to make it look more attended than it was?
No, it was just they were saying that he was doing that.
But this website's like, no, he wasn't doing that.
He's actually just upscaling his photos for IG.
I see.
Okay.
And the upscaling sucks.
Okay.
I mean, you saw what it did to remember the podcast with Jim
where it made him look old.
Yeah.
It's kind of like one of those.
Shout out, Jim.
shout out um and then uh the other one i wanted to share was this one this was another one from
the ai territory was the taco bell so taco bell had a drive through did you see this one kia
no i saw it bbc has been posting some really funny stuff lately um they're really anti-ai
i've noticed uh taco bell rethinks ai drive-thru after a man orders 18 000 waters did you see this
so this was funny um basically the guy went in there and ordered 18 000 waters and then the
did the ai deliver it to him the ai got stuck basically and they obviously couldn't do it
um did he pay for them no no no but what i'm saying is like the the it it shows like where
the tech is just not ready yet so that's why they only have the in person you have to actually go
inside and like order through these ai stuff but you can't actually go through they're not ready
for the drive-thru yet do they need to be ready for the drive-thru ever i don't know i don't do
you think the person in the drive-thru cares isn't that like already isn't that sort of like an ai
isn't this just like another step down the slope of like the most convenient way to do something
so you're saying the guy that takes your order at taco bell drive-thru is like an npc no the guy
who goes through the drive-thru doesn't give a crap about whether it's an ai well he gets it he
gives a crap about getting the food that he ordered but if it he wants it cheap and fast
and so if this makes it cheaper and faster that's probably better than a human doing it right no
okay i feel like you're just disagreeing with me to disagree so i thought it was funny because
there was like some good comments here this guy was like give me 18 000 waters 18 000 soft tacos
18,000 Jesus Cardenas.
I love that guy.
117.
That guy's Netflix show.
Sir, this is Wendy.
Anyway, the Staggers had a good time with this one.
I thought that was funny.
Yeah, I forget the name of that guy, that comedian.
Yeah.
Oh, this guy?
What is his name?
Yeah.
I don't know.
I can't see him.
It's too low quality.
He did a movie recently with Rudd.
FreeTX said this.
He goes, it's going to be supervised AI.
Kind of like the guy who sits with you in the robo-taxi.
It's kind of like that.
I haven't taken a robo-taxi out of you.
Have you?
No, I haven't.
No, I don't have a Tesla.
You need to have a Tesla to take a robo-taxi.
Oh, really?
Yeah, you got to have like a-
What's the point of having-
If I have to buy a Tesla to get a self-driven car-
I mean, that's not a question for me.
That's a question for Elon.
Okay, well, I'll ask him next time we have our weekly calls.
I mean, he's an investor in Stacker News, right?
So it should be easy enough for him.
Yeah, he invested in my birth.
That's all the AI Bitcoin this week.
Thanks to Optimism for doing it.
He's got a lot of kids.
He's your dad?
Yeah.
I mean, I call him daddy.
It's similar.
He's a South African daddy.
The next one is a new segment we're calling Wumpo's Picks.
Wow.
Oh, no.
That's how I'm doing the segment.
Wumpo's Picks.
Oh, wow.
You've been practicing.
I can tell.
That's the segment.
It's Op Return Saga Explained in two minutes.
Go.
Oh, well, it's not me that does it in two minutes.
I thought you were going to do it.
Because the account is called Two Minute Bitcoin, and they publish on a blog, twominutebitcoin.org, these short explainers about things that are either features of Bitcoin or things that are...
Wombos Picks!
During this segment, I get interrupted repeatedly by the title of the segment, and that's what really differentiates it from all of our other segments.
Oh, wow, this is great.
Look what he picked, though.
Two Minute Bitcoin?
Okay, go for it, Keong.
I'm going to shut up.
Yeah, it's a great website.
if you want to learn something quick about bitcoin this is a great place to go for it but
this this week's specific uh topic is about opera turn and this relates to a lot of the knots and
core drama right now all like the majority of the drama revolves around opera turn limits uh and core
relaxing uh relay policy around opera turn limits so uh two minute bitcoin goes in and uh describes
it here basically what we have in bitcoin core right now the the version of the bitcoin core
implementation the bitcoin implementation bitcoin protocol implementation that most people run called
bitcoin core right now its defaults uh say that you can only have one operaturn per transaction
one operaturn output per transaction and it uh can only have data in it uh of 80 bytes in length
that is the default uh you can uh reconfigure your node to make that smaller or larger or turn
it off entirely uh but most people leave the defaults and so uh yeah so the the and to describe
more of what the uh what the pr what the problem is and why people have an issue with this changing
or i'm getting distracted because it's kind of loud in here but um
wumbles pics that's actually when that's wumbles pics that's actually when that's needed um
i need like headphones that have a mute on them i just keep doing that i've got i've got breaking
news if it just totally wait no we can't do it during wumbles okay all right go for it all right
Wow. Wumba's really in for a real picker this week.
Go for it, Cam. Power through.
Okay. Well, there...
You said max size, 100 bytes. Go.
No. Max size, currently, the default max size right now is 80 bytes.
Proposed changes in core will take op return size up to 100,000 bytes.
That'll be the maximum size allowed in relay policy, not in consensus.
Consensus already allows arbitrary off return sizes and arbitrary number of off returns per transaction.
This is simply relay policy.
But basically before transactions get in a block, what will you send to other Bitcoin nodes that will then eventually make it to miners?
That's all that these policy changes relate to.
So in Bitcoin Core version 30, these defaults will change and they will be deprecated, making them in some future release unable to be configured.
And so this is the position of core that most people know now.
And Knott's position is that we should do more of this type of data filtering, that we should never expand the off-return limit, and that we should do more data filtering in general.
This post gets into it a little better than I'm going to be able to describe, but I think
there are, I think it's an interest to everyone because there are good reasons to actually
remove these limits and there are bad reasons to remove these limits or things that could
potentially go wrong by removing the limits.
specifically i think this is just fud uh the cp uh scare i think it's primarily fud i think
anytime it comes up it's kind of like calling someone a racist or hitler it's kind of an attempt
to escalate the argument beyond like reasonable uh discourse um because currently this can happen
on bitcoin as is it doesn't relay policy does not affect whether this is possible to get into blocks
or not. So this relay policy does not affect whether consensus will allow large op returns
or not. It's just how easily it can get to a miner is most of what it affects. So I think
there's some mischaracterization going on as it relates to these. And I'm sorry, Wombo,
I think you wanted us to go even more fundamental to this and talk about what a mempool is,
what standard this rules are.
But hopefully you can give us some feedback
on how we did this week
and I can amend my approach going forward.
Yeah, because it can get pretty dark
really, really fast.
I kind of want to stay away from that,
but just there's other people out there
that really want to get into that debate.
I just, you know, I'm founder focused
and like focused on startups.
the dev game is
how do I say this politely
it's gangster bro
it's a gangster game
and I'm
not getting involved
with that game
I love working with founders and I love working
with startups and stuff
that's where
that's where car is
what happened?
is that what the breaking news is?
no my breaking news is about Justin Bieber once again
Swag 2
Oh there you go
He dropped another album
Wow you should have interrupted us
We should all stop this podcast right now
And listen to that album together
That was Wumble's Picks
The next one
We're going to do
Let's do Keon's first
No let keep going with the sample Let do mine first I think this one is interesting So Nick Carter released a podcast He released another post this week
It was called Situated Stable Coins in the Payment Landscape.
Scoresby did a really good job of kind of going through it,
and he kind of gave his thoughts on it.
I want to share the post directly here
because I think it's worth sharing here directly.
So he pretty much gives a really good introduction,
And he starts off by surprisingly going straight to Patrick Collison's tweet, which is this one over here.
So Patrick Collison has a tweet that says,
Stablecoins are room temperature superconductors for financial services.
Thanks to Stablecoins, businesses around the world will benefit from significant speed coverage and cost improvements in the coming years.
Stripe is going to build the world's best stablecoin infrastructure.
And to that end, we are delighted to welcome Stablecoin to Stripe.
so if you don't know there was a post on stacker news this week about stripe launching its l1
blockchain tempo what that is is basically blockchain design for payments which is an l1
it's kind of weird why they why they did it blockchain yeah it's kind of weird why they did
that and to me it really doesn't make a lot of sense but um i think it was interesting because
Nick literally lays this out in the opening paragraph of his whole essay here.
And he basically says Patrick Collison is wrong.
They're not room temperature superconductors for finance.
He said room temperature superconductors are theoretical.
People don't have great intuitions about them.
stable coins exist and work great today. They are more akin to Starlink for finance.
So he's basically saying that what Patrick is saying is like theoretical.
It sounds very like really, really cool and esoteric. But in reality, stable coins already
exist today. It's like Starlink. All you need is a phone and everybody can swap and use stable
coins right now, just like you can use with Starlink. And so he goes into talking about
and he goes really deep into the whole stable coin thing like and it kind of makes sense so
people that don't know who nick carter is he has a fund he's been around yeah he has a fund called
castle eye adventures i think he has a couple he has a couple stable coin projects there's a couple
stable coin projects i think one of them is called stable if i know that i think i think there's one
of them called stable yeah stable is called right here stable coins so i mean he's he's talking his
own book for the stackers at home listening um but he goes into explaining what stable coins are
he goes into usd banking he really goes really deep into explaining like the representation of
what a fiat currency is he talks about the the stable coin how it's a bearer asset it's it's like
cash like when you you can actually have it in your wallet uh it's he goes he goes even he goes
even further in explaining that he does talk about how it's like a push payment it's not like a pool
payment compared to like ach um he goes into the ofac stuff how it can be blocked he does a pretty
good job of explaining everything um i think the i think the most interesting thing is here let me
see if I can find it. It does make sense here. Yeah, it's this one right here.
Yeah, right here. Today, there are ways, so I'll just read this. Today, there are ways to build an
efficient and safe financial application based on stablecoins such that the developer has no
control over user funds at any point in the flow. This is the real magic of stablecoins from a
founder's perspective. This reduces the fixed cost of building a neobank or a fintech style
network from possibly hundreds of millions if you're getting a bank charter or tens of millions
if you're getting money transmitter licenses or simply the engineering costs possibly under a
million dollars as you might imagine this automatic reduction in fixed costs is causing
explosion of products in the space so he's basically saying like this this kind of stable
coin everywhere this kind of uh the way he's explaining it saying it's like the star link of
payments is saying that this is going to cause a massive explosion of like technological growth for
these different apps are going to be able to integrate that. The funny thing about all this
whole article is he does bring up Bitcoin multiple times and he talks about it. And he does talk
about the interoperability and the programmability of stable coins. And he talks about this future
right here about how it's going to be able to work with smart contracts and all this kind of stuff.
But the only thing I think that he really doesn't really hit home on, and I think he
kind of only thing i would slightly push back on and it's not me like really criticizing or
anything i think the only thing he doesn't really push back on is just how this is gonna like lead
to this kind of like i think once ai gets involved with kind of stable coins and we have all these
wallets like i think it's just gonna i don't think it's gonna freeze funds i i but i do think it's
going to it's going to it's going to automate like automatically block people from from spending
from spending those funds if that makes any sense um and and i think and i think it still
gives bitcoin the upper hand and it still gives bitcoin companies who are building the the bitcoin
wallets in upper hand but i i do think stable coins from basically what he says definitely gives
them the advantage right now and into the next five seven years for sure because it does seem
like there's this kind of stable coin rollout that's happening and it is inevitable and he
even talks about how the old the old kind of uh system that was in place the swift system and the
fed now and like how that's you know that's going away and this new kind of stable coin system is
happening and it's basically here and uh there there's there's no kind of turning back from it
um that's kind of the gist and he even goes into like the visual payments history of everything
the guy knows a lot about the guy knows a lot about uh payments and it kind of makes sense
because his dad works for the imf kind of makes sense uh one question i have going back to uh
what Stripe just announced.
Yeah.
Is that to compete with Tether, you think?
Or does Tether have a competitor?
No, I don't think they're actually issuing stable coins.
They might eventually.
That might be why they acquired the infrastructure.
But it's more so competition for something like Solana or Ethereum.
Right.
I guess it's like a place where stable coin smart contracts can live
and experience the regulatory cover of proof of stake
and claim that there is no,
that money transmission is not happening.
Meanwhile, there's a bunch of money transferring
through this system that they created.
And so it reduces their legal overhead.
Right.
And so it's mostly a regulatory arbitrage project,
I would guess, for them.
And Tether still has like no kind of competitors.
well so there's there's the circle usd there's a ton of usds out there and like he talks about in
the thing i think i think what's interesting that he brings up that i never even thought about but
like i think the smart contrast asked smart contract aspect to it is interesting because
then you could start then the developers can start doing interesting stuff with smart contracts
and they can tie that with stable coins and then you could theoretically i mean all this is going
to be surveilled and like you can just assume there's gonna be an OFAC list and compliance and
it's gonna be tied to all this stuff so just assume the worst when it comes to surveillance and
data on-chain analysis stuff so just assume all the worst but once you get past that you can kind
of see a thing where there could be like all sorts of interesting smart contract stuff attached to
these stable coins on an app that would allow people to do really uh degenerate stuff yeah but
also really interesting stuff in a sophisticated sort of way sure because then you could probably
get to a point to where somebody could get a mortgage or i'm just thinking off the top of my
head somebody could probably get a mortgage or something by by also looping in their community
or something say like hey jana's trying to get by a house do you want to contribute to allowing her
to do that by opting in your bitcoin or something it's a 30 year whatever loan and you pays back
do you know what i mean there's that sort of like smart contracting that could happen yeah i do
really want a house no but i'm saying like this is where he's talking this is what he's basically
talking about is like sure these stable coins and the smart contract aspect allows you to create
these kind of apps yeah yes but this is what this is kind of what he's saying is like this opens up
that sort of paradigm shift and this is where it's like an interesting from a from a vc perspective
which he is it's he's explaining that's the interesting aspect to it all yeah but from a
like from a bitcoiners perspective like myself like there's a it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't
actually make a bitcoiner flinch at all because we still hold the higher ground of self-sovereignty
and we have uh first rights to um i mean we actually have the bitcoin in our hands the
property yeah so it's a really good piece i thought it was really good people are gonna be
like oh why are you talking about this but no i mean i haven't like i think it's fascinating to
read i haven't paid attention to like anything nick carter said for a while but he does explain
things really well and I did appreciate
him in my early days.
I think Scoresby, like I would go back
here because Sporzy corrects him on a lot of the stuff.
Oh.
Yeah, he corrects him on.
Yeah, all those things. Yeah, Scoresby is like
the better Nick Carter. No, he
just corrects him all the little things.
Anyway.
Yeah, it does seem to be
a hot area right now.
I think it is.
Stable coins? Yeah.
I mean, I think the Genius Act stuff, the federal government stuff, the Trump administration kind of unleashed a stable coin bubble.
It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
I think the only, the nice lining, what do they call that?
The silver lining.
The silver lining to this for Bitcoiners, I think, is that this might get people a little more comfortable with bearer assets, like digital bearer assets.
And so if stable coins do benefit from all of this investment and they do get a lot of usage and people get used to storing money on their phone with a private key, it's not as hard to get them to leap to Bitcoin.
And so that is, that's like of the silver linings, there's that.
I'm not sure.
I don't really believe in there being a whole lot of things you can do with the financial
engineering and smart contracts that are going to be much better than you can get at a traditional
bank.
Maybe if you run banks, it has some appeal, but I just don't, I think this is mostly an
attempt of rich people who don't currently run banks to um become the new bank runners like i
don't think um uh it's a fair assessment yeah i don't i think it's mostly like banks are good
business it's hard to do a bank it's hard to you know banks have network effects how do i
compete with banks well i'll support this new technology that's very bank-like and he does
has a regulatory it's interesting that you bring that up he does bring up the um
he does talk about the old way of doing things and uh let me see if i can find it
where is it at
i just don't know like i think the main thing for me is like i don't know what benefit i could
expect from this i get that someone someone running a stable coin this kind of stable coin
banking system thing i can understand their margins improve but for me as a client i guess
some of these stable coins offer better yields but i i yield like on a dollar like real yield
is probably negative still because i'm holding dollars so i'm not so yeah it's funny you
mention that so he does bring up the fact that uh like these these uh these nested hierarchies
uh like like and how banks don't process payments directly so basically what he's saying is like
these transactions that we use aren't routed in a straight line like they all get either get routed
to new york and then there's just like this exchange that happens even if you're like coming
from somewhere else entirely in a different world.
And so kind of to your point, like, why did they do that?
I'm sure there's a reason why they did that.
And so, like, there's probably a reason why they did that.
And he goes through all of that and why they do that.
But, yeah, like you're saying, it's probably not easy to run a bank.
And so there's probably reasons for all these things.
And, yeah, we're going to find out.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know if the problem with banks is that we don't have enough of them.
I don't know if that, or like we don't, yeah,
we don't have enough VC funded banks.
Yeah, he does say here, like the US wields a great deal of soft power
of controlling financial flows.
But I don't know, we'll see.
We'll see.
This is the ICO of this cycle, by the way.
no you know like uh that's my read this is this is the the non-bitcoin hype of this cycle that is
likely going to collapse or have some big reckoning is the stable stable coin scene that is my read
unless unless i'm i just don't know what else how it felt uh at the bitcoin conference
yeah i mean i think it's still too early to tell i guess we'll see
but i don't know i just i don't know how they how they how they take a dive really but i just i
don't know it just it feels a lot like it at one point i see everyone was like when will the ico
bubble pop this is crazy it just keeps going on maybe they do have utility wow they keep getting
money maybe maybe these things are really useful maybe i should have had an iso why didn't i have
an iso or an icl and um or an ice cream count but i mean all those companies all those companies
that were an ico in 2018 now they're legitimate companies and they got rid of their ico so that
that's another not i mean we were me and me and uh ben were looking one up earlier and he was
asking me about a company and then um i was like that just something doesn't feel right i mean the
more we started digging we found out they had an ICO in 2018 and they gave all their tokens away to
to make those corporate partnerships and they don't even mention the ICO yeah I think for big
companies that are doing this kind of stuff they're not going to take a big hit from it it's just
it's like to go back to your point is like I'm saying sometimes in the long run it doesn't matter
not for a big company but I think for a young startup that's banking on stable coins
I don't know.
Maybe this is a new banking paradigm.
I mean, we are like...
The future does seem to be getting shittier financially.
So maybe this is just the next rung on the ladder up to shit heaven.
Yeah, it's interesting.
I thought it was worth bringing up because it's an interesting article.
cool anyways uh the next um the next one we're gonna read is oh this one yeah let's let's talk
about this one so yet another person driven mad by ai this time leading to a murder i don't know
if you saw this this was a wall street journal post um troll man his chatbot and a murder suicide
and oh man i have it blocked gosh anyways yeah i'm a subscriber to the wall street journal
No, anyway.
SuperStacker had this one.
He goes, I don't remember seeing this in previous articles on the topic.
But he's basically saying there was this guy who went off of the deep end
and it was based off the memory setting inside the chat GPT.
And basically, the chat GPT told him to ask some people.
Keon, what do you think?
Is it chat GPT's fault?
Is it his own delusions?
I don't know.
It's kind of, you know, it's like Chachi B.T. is a kill people, people kill people type of thing.
I think, you know, I think my I think I made a point in another thread.
This is like maybe the 10th story we've had on this.
That's got quite a bit of discussion going.
But my main view on this is that there are some people who are very close to the border or like on the border between sanity and insanity.
And I think Chachi B.T. can easily take them across the border.
Yeah, that's kind of.
If you're like looking for your, for confirmation of a delusion, you can, you're very suggestible.
Yeah.
You will.
It's like a vulnerable kind of place.
Optimism says something good.
I wonder what it is exactly that might lead someone.
You said if I brainwash someone to murder someone else, am I in violation of any law?
If you what?
if you brainwash someone to murder someone else,
am I in violation of any law?
There you go.
What about that, Keon?
That's what you call a cult leader, right?
The cult leaders don't necessarily tell people to execute people.
Yeah, they tell them to execute themselves.
I guess FreeTX said that'd be an accessory to a crime, I think.
Yeah, I guess we could prove that they brainwashed them.
That'd probably be really hard to prove.
Yeah.
Anyways.
Yeah, I think in that sense, I would say like every movie or every like piece of inchaimment is kind of doing that.
Yeah, I think that's kind of my point.
Like if you're if you're in a position where you're looking for confirmation of a delusion, you can find that anywhere.
Yeah, but maybe not in a place that's like super interactive and has a human like.
I also think, too, that you can find a human.
Maybe they can provide that for you, but you can the next best thing you.
so I yeah I don't think I don't think reading a book would make you like the odds of reading a
book causes you to kill someone is probably quite a bit lower than but I'm saying if you're looking
for that yeah you can find it anywhere yeah that's what I'm saying yeah no I I agree with your point
I think I think the point I'm making that I think there's not necessarily inconsistent with that
point is that I think this is like a more powerful version yeah of right the thing you find yeah
Should there be parental guardians on these chat apps?
For parents, for people who are adults?
No, for chat apps, should there be like a parental guardian thing?
I think this person was an adult.
No, but I'm saying like should kids have like a parental?
Probably already do.
Oh, they do?
Yeah, I would guess.
None of us have kids, so we can't even really say.
I mean, I know what Nick stores on his note.
but that might have something to do with what topic you're talking about.
Whoa.
That took a turn.
Yeah, bro.
The next one is your other post you had, TizRiz.
Tiz versus, wait, is it versus or?
TizRiz Founder Matrix.
Yeah, what's this, Keon?
Yeah.
So this was, I actually shared this more than a week ago,
but I keep referencing it.
So I thought I'd, I just think it's a great way to categorize,
founders or people who are building things or just people i guess in general um who are these people
these are a bunch of founders of tech companies basically oh i see oh there's there's was
there's was and so yeah so you have was is in this in this uh so you basically have two axes
one is one is uh from low to high autism which we call tiz and the other axis is from low to high
charisma which we call riz and so at the very high autism you have uh tizzards like wozniak
who's the one next to him um that's uh ilia um from one of the co-founders of open ai so he's a
wow he's a tizzard uh and then so you have you know at medium level tizz you have just who are
they who are they do you know i actually don't know that dude i think they are both they're also
both ai people okay yeah i think she's a researcher at stanford don't don't actually recall but um
yeah so but if you're low tiz and by my course if also low riz you're in a really bad position
because you're like you know you're kind of you're kind you don't have wired what does that mean
um your startup oh yeah you you like list on your linkedin that you were acquired you're
constantly boasting about things that don't really amount to anything like it's kind of
You're basically a scammer, but like an ineffective one.
It's kind of low, low.
And then if you're on the high-riz, which is charisma.
If you're high-riz, you're like Elizabeth Holmes or Chamath or the WeWork guy.
Is Chamath high charisma?
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, I mean, that might be wrong.
Maybe he's not high charisma.
Did he work at Google?
No, he worked at Facebook.
Early Facebook.
Chamath is the only person that I knew besides the…
Didn't he really contribute to Facebook, though?
Based on his own account, yes.
He was significant in their growth efforts.
But does that make him a grifter, though?
I think it's based on his current behavior that people are categorizing.
Oh, okay.
Oh, so it's current behavior.
Okay.
Yeah.
What is that jail sign there?
It's Forbes 30 under 30.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then the medium one is Tiz Whisperer.
What's that?
Yeah.
So if you're medium TIS but a high RIS, you're a TIS whisperer, meaning you can communicate with high TIS people and medium TIS people very well.
It's like almost the best.
Yeah, it's actually a really good place to be in because you don't have to be full TIS, but you get full TIS power because you're communicating.
So Steve Jobs is right.
Communicate with full tizz.
Yeah, because Steve Jobs, who's only medium tizz but high riz,
he can communicate with Wozniak on a level that someone who is low tizz
or low riz could not.
Sam Altman's there too.
Yeah, Sam Altman.
Oh, that's interesting.
Also a tizz whisperer.
He has a little tizz, but not enough to count him out here.
So you have Elon at the very top?
I don't know.
This isn't my graph, but according to whoever made this, they believe.
i feel like you made this i've said multiple times that i haven't made it the uh oh from x okay it
wasn't you yeah they're uh i was getting skeptical high riz high tiz you have people you have some
you have like the biggest billionaires on earth wait wasn't zuck was zuck was autistic though yeah
zuck does not belong there that doesn't belong zuck is definitely high riz i would guess he is
No, because people hate him.
Do people hate Zuck?
He's so hateable.
Yeah, I would feel like you just hate him.
But he might have high riz in a way that is hard to detect when you're not in his inner circle.
That is like the only reason.
What do you mean?
Say that slower.
Because he somehow has accumulated a lot of great people who have worked for him over the years.
Yeah.
Just because he pays more, dude.
I'm not sure that's exactly it.
And so there's possibly more to this story.
I'm not sure Riz means what we're thinking of, which is like Rico Suave.
Charisma.
Yeah, but charisma isn't really only one thing.
It's highly effective in social situations.
And maybe for someone who's high Tiz and high Riz, it's like very scoped to a certain type of social energy.
And then the other guy on the far right is the NVIDIA guy, right?
Yeah.
I feel like an Elon Musk belongs there.
I don't think Elon is high charisma, though.
no he belongs i think he belongs there but i'm like do you he feels like comparing musk to zuck
i don't know if they're they have different i bet they have different kinds of risks and i bet
musk musk riz shows up on x or his tweets or whatever and his you know his sense of humor
and i would guess zuck shows up probably and it's like negotiations main character what's that
okay i'm so confused your medium tis medium riz what's me you know so you have you have enough
you have enough tis to kind of be effective you have enough riz to kind of make to make progress
on your effectiveness and you know you maybe have a that's what's the yamper uh uh you view yourself
as important the yapper is um yeah someone who mostly talks they're kind of like can't build
anything because they don't have enough tis to really make it again gosh yeah this is cool you
know the more we talked about it the more i'm the more i see it's yeah it's good there's your
comments like it's in the rocks framework for discussing no one no one no one commented but
but yeah yeah i just commented that like where do you so we have to know where you guys are
oh i'm not even on this thing you're not no i don't consider myself part of these people
you don't have tis or red no i don't think so not at all oh zero okay no you're zero zero
I'm just car
Your whole community
I'm like low, far, bottom
Low, low, low, low
I'm like right here where the
No amount listed
That's where I'm at, I'm here at the bottom
Okay, what about you Janna?
Carter doesn play the game No I just don think I have either I not autistic no difference to me and i have no charisma i think uh i might be like main character okay yeah i buy that thanks mead mead
yeah main character i think you might be like autist i might be a full tazzer no i don't think
you're i don't think you're main character can i can i can i place you okay sure yeah i think
you're more I actually think you're more tizzered me oh wait wait wait no okay I'm looking at the
wrong side I don't think I'm autistic I think you're more I think you're more cracked
no no no which is the one that controls tism oh no that you want to be a tizz whisperer so you'd
be I'd be low if I don't have I'm a yes I would say you're cracked because no wait which is the
one that controls high when is when you when you control chris when you grow to it i'm confused
okay you're you're saying she's saying she controls autism okay she's good with dealing
she's a tiz whisperer she's a tiz whisperer okay so she's high-risk medium tiz that could i could
be no you know what no you know what she's main character actually she is main character i could
be i could be between main character and she's between main character and tiz whisperer yeah
That's where she's at.
Yeah, she didn't marry someone who's pretty high in Tiz.
She's probably right here.
She's between the...
But also pretty high in Riz.
Yeah, you guys might both be main characters.
She's definitely between main character and Tiz Whisperer.
Austin's got more Riz than I've got, for sure.
But he's also got more Tiz.
Wait, are we rating Austin now, too?
Sort of, yeah.
Should he come out here and rate himself?
No, if she's a Tiz Whisperer, she might have whispered...
I think he's between Tiz Whisperer and main character.
I've seen you with the devs.
You can desperately whisper.
All right.
Thank you.
Cool.
Go for it.
Keon, where are you at?
I think I'm just...
He's like, I'm God-filled.
I'm probably like...
No, I'm probably like high...
Stay humble, Keon.
I'm probably high, Tiz.
This is being recorded.
I'm probably medium to high, Tiz.
Medium to high, Tiz?
And I'm probably, on average, I would say low-res.
No, I would throw you high tiz
And I would
Okay, so
Your cruise is very low
That's what I'm saying, I'm a tizzer, dude
At best
He's between
No, no, no
So, so, so
I agree, Nick says we should move on
No, this is great stuff
This is good, this is good, this is going to bring in the views
So you're like
You're between tizzer and crack, Keon
okay yeah i buy it the more people get to know you they realize oh he's actually really kind of
like was actually the more people get to know you well then that's just tizzered oh you're right
i think you've got some risk here yeah he's like what is required if i need i can apply my tizz to
riz actually you know but i have to be full-time i have to be full-time riz otherwise i cannot
actually do any risk actually he's exactly like was you know was i'm exactly yeah yeah he's exactly
like was yeah you know him no but i'm saying he's the exact same personality type as was
like really really really smart but unless you got to know him you wouldn't know that
oh you wouldn't know i mean i mean really really really smart and really really really really
funny but unless you got to know him oh okay yeah but he's also not going to come out of his office
either he's he like he's like a butterfly and he's like still in his cocoon a little bit yeah
but sometimes he'll like show you his butterfly wings interesting i'm glad we had this conversation
I think this is a cool way
to think about people
and I'm excited
to have you guys on board with an understanding
Topher is probably cracked a little bit
honestly
I can see that
I can see Topher being cracked
he's definitely in
med riz
I don't know if he's high tiz
but that might just be his riz
no he's definitely high tiz
then he's cracked
he might be cracked
what about Jim?
jim oh wait no jim is probably medium risk too he could be pretty high he could be cracked i don't
think he's high tiz though yeah he's he's more main character i think he's pretty high tiz that's
what i mean i think he's got he's done wait you're kind of right yeah he's more main character i've
spent a lot of time with jim he's he's very high tiz bro maybe he just doesn't show he might be
more tizzy than the tiziest yeah you think so yeah i'd be right what about nick where do you
think nick said uh nick is definitely i would say he's medium tis he's medium i would say he's
medium tis but riz probably pretty low yeah low riz as well yeah he's pretty high riz i would say
yapper he's absolutely a yapper oh but that requires no tis and he's definitely his main
character he's main character this is sad we're like doing all the people you know
I think it's pretty fun
it's really fun actually we should print this out
and put it in Plub Lab
okay cool yeah we should do the
people in here and we can move
people around
I'll make magnets
yeah
oh man this is hilarious
you could sell these
this is great somebody should do this for
Bitcoin okay I'll map it somebody should
just redo this but for Bitcoin
make a fridge magnet which one are you
this is somebody
Somebody should just make this version of this for Bitcoin.
Probably need name cards.
But we could do also with Bitcoin celebrities.
Yeah, you should do this with Bitcoin celebrities and influencers.
Don't put me on there.
Put just Keyon.
Riz.
All right.
Cool stuff.
Refuses to play.
That's all the stories we had this week.
We're going to jump into meta.
Keyon, what's this?
Meta, yeah.
So now before live comments were scoped to a device.
So if you read comments on one device, they would not show up as read on another device.
Really?
I didn't notice that.
Yeah.
Well, if you're using one device primarily on the internet with Stacker News, this wasn't a big deal.
But for those of us who are switching between our phone and our laptop or whatever.
Even if you're on the same login?
Even if you're on the same login, it didn't work that way before.
Because 4 was not, we didn't want to spend a lot of time on the unread comment thing.
So you would see two different versions of Stacker News?
yeah but now that we have this live comment thing it becomes a lot more important more useful
so socks went ahead and made it socks uh device sync and they've been they've been killing it on
this um this feature and yeah i like the live comments it's really cool i like also seeing it
i think it i like naturally seeing it up there in the blue yeah there it's i think it fits perfect
because whenever like i'll click on it i think it's probably because i already see the notifications
up there so yeah it's in the right spot it's not right i don't know if i don't know if i like the
circular blue dot um but we can refine that over time we need to do a ui refresh them i think the
i think it's in the right spot now so that's cool was there anything else in there no the other the
only other thing was related posts have been broken since i introduced them because i made a
basically a typo type error on them and everyone was complaining about related posts for a long
time and i was like i don't know what could be wrong it does everything it should um and then i
I realized there was this typo in them that was getting the fields mismatched.
So now when you look at related posts,
you should see posts that are more related than they were before.
They shouldn't be all kind of random.
That was another big thing.
And a lot of bug fixes happened.
That's it for this meta.
Cool.
That's all the meta stuff.
Is it all meta stuff?
Yep.
The next one is Pleb Poets Stacker News Zine.
That looks like it's in meta.
No, this is a separate spot.
All right.
Next one is Pleb Poets Fresh Stacker News Zine.
We've got freshly squeezed one.
It's yellow.
Okay, we're going to look.
Do you want to swap spaces with Kian or do you want to just move over Kian?
Yeah, go for it.
Here it is.
And this is really fun.
so that everybody can see
go for it
there you go perfect
Keon you can still talk
maybe
not really
so I just made a zine this week
but it looks a little different than it has in the past
and that's because we can just do things
and
I have
included the top posts
and I have included something really fun
that I think we're going to do a little bit of right now
if you guys would like
this issue has a crossword puzzle whoa a crossword puzzle that i made and so uh i'm gonna give you
a few of the clues that i made up and see if you can think of the word that i was thinking of
because i realized that actually is a pretty difficult skill yeah it's it might be hard mode
So is that okay with you?
Sure.
I'm a pretty smart guy.
Why do you laugh?
Okay.
And a lot of these words have to do with, I mean, they come from the stories and the zine.
Or just like stacker news.
Oh, wow.
So it's like, yeah, I know this stuff.
So if I said, if it's something served with raw fish.
Sushi.
Oh, something served with raw fish.
Served alongside raw fish.
Oh, soy sauce.
And it has one, two, three, four, five, six letters.
Ginger.
Wasabi.
There you go.
It's wasabi.
If I said this word strikes.
Match.
And it has one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine letters.
Oh, keystone.
Nope.
Oh.
What's that thing that's like Flint?
No, not Flint.
Oh.
Um, haystack.
Nope.
Um, stone.
This word strikes lightning.
Yeah.
Oh, boom.
There you go.
Um, if I was going to call you the lowly ungovernable.
Oh, misfit.
In four words, four letters.
Misfit.
Pleb.
It's pleb.
Okay.
That one isn't that hard.
You don't want to solve the whole thing, do we?
No, no, not the whole thing.
Just one more.
Uh, if I wanted you to, no, two more.
Sorry.
I wanted if I said the truth is often stranger than fiction.
Yep.
That one was easy.
Okay.
Yeah.
And then if I said the state of being free from being observed.
Surveillance.
Oh, sovereign state of being free.
Seven letters.
Private.
It's a derivative of that word.
Privacy.
There it is.
Privacy.
There you go.
So that's just a little bit of a snippet of the fun you can have.
This is really cool.
When you get your own stacker new zine.
Show them the zine again.
Yeah, it's yellow now.
It's all yellow.
That's really cool.
So that was really fun.
And it's just kind of, you know, I felt like my issues were kind of looking a little gay after a little bit.
So this is an attempt to reign that in.
And I think it worked out.
The classifieds.
Tell us a bit about the classifieds and how they work.
Yeah.
So another feature I introduced for the next issue, I'm selling the back page of the zine to you.
If you'd like to buy a piece of it and promote whatever you want to promote, you'll have to find the ZapRite link that's here in this post where you'll fill out a form telling me what you want your message to say.
It's going to be limited to about 300 characters, which is like 70, 80 words.
And yeah, if you want to send an image, you can email me the image or somebody like sent me the link in the note of the image too.
So also I'll say for next issue, there's already been four of eight spots.
Already?
Already.
When did you post this?
Just today.
Six hours ago?
And how many have been sold?
Four.
There's only four spots left stackers.
So there's only four spots left.
Get it.
But yeah, this is one of the places.
How many are they selling for right now?
A thousand stats.
Wow.
and it's just like another place like if you're like using i feel like i feel like boog's gonna
buy all four spots another place to like advertise or like promote your like what you're working on
i know plunda wants to buy some or just say something fun that's what i was hoping to get
i feel like i feel like i feel like justin for brave men i feel like justin shock that's gonna
buy a spot and talk about shock wallet or something and that's basically it you know
what i feel like i feel like uh yeah you can do so much stuff in the spot so much
you're allowed to buy two at a time if you'd like and you get more space that way can you buy a full
years um no not yet they're too cheap they're too cheap to do a full year right now they're
they're they're introductory priced right now so it's a promotional offer one time only
we don't know what this is turning into a full-fledged business i think this is an experiment
at the at the moment yeah but it's a pretty good experiment it's selling more than the zine itself
You already sold four.
The classifieds.
No, I didn't sell more.
We're still making more money.
No, but I'm saying the zine is selling for $3,000,
but you already sold four.
You turned into the Rubuck Murdoch of Stacker News.
That's right.
Rupert Bitcoin.
Yeah.
Dang.
Turns out Stacker News was a whole thing just to release the zine.
Stacker News was the friends we made along the way.
it really was about the scene the whole time dang did you tell your investors you're pivoting to
the scene i once told them i was going to start selling house plants i like that but literally
everything just moves to the scene that'd be hilarious good job jenna thank you thank you
very much thank you that's funny that was amazing um cool man what if what if that actually does
take off and then it just becomes its own full-fledged printing business and it's uh that'd
be neat that'd be really neat right like yeah turns out like that's a whole separate business
unit and it makes its own full-fledged cash flow and yeah i don't know our sat flow i guess and it's
like a full thing i don't know of any um no one else is doing that right yeah i don't know if
there's any regular publication for another i mean it kind of fits with the times i mean everybody
else is kind of going digital and like the one thing that's not digital is would make sense cool
really cool stuff um oh you can also subscribe oh we're at subscribe there's a zap right link
in here for subscribing for the month of september which means you'll get four zines
that's cool four zines for the price of the price of a little more than three yeah you get you get
to save a bit less than four yeah you get to save a bit four zines for less than four for 10 000
sats whatever happens to the other zine that was doing stuff did they just stop doing their zine
what other zine wasn't there like a zine for like two weeks or something i don't know i don't know
what zine you're talking about there are some zines that are like limited to a topic and they
only release them when there's like some topic they want to cover and they're more like educational
zine wasn't there one that they knew that was released and then you guys yeah i don't have
anything to say about it i don't know what you want me to say i just thought i remember you like
taught you like game on and then like nothing ever happened to them after that oh the other
synchronicities yeah i guess they never i don't know i guess you won jenna uh anyway um that's
that's everything get the classifiers there's like four left um cool that's all the stuff we got we
didn't have any um fountain boost this week no youtube comments um but i think that's i think
That's everything.
Key on.
Oh, wait.
Let's jump into the top cowboys, baby.
Top cowboys for the week.
Everybody's unmasked.
Hello.
Sticky 47.
We got Kube, Undiscipline, Blockchain Boo, Gray Ruby.
Howdy, Gray Ruby.
Coins Reporter.
I don't think I've had much change in the top five based on my memory,
which might be not reliable.
But we have Optimism, I think, been climbing up,
but they've been at the top.
Scoresby.
Aardvark there, too.
Scoresby, super consistent.
Aardvark is the Time Magazine, 2006 Time Magazine Person of the Year.
I think it's good to mention that.
We officially have somebody who's in Time Magazine.
We haven't been seeing Aardvark a whole lot on Stacker News,
but I'm glad to see they're still
Socks
Still stacking hats
Billy the Kids there
Real Bitcoin Doggy
I think Socks has a nice streak going
Did the Real Bitcoin Dog win the contest?
Did they announce the contest yet?
It's going to be Sunday
Oh, Sunday, okay
It's going to be announced Sunday
I thought Real Bitcoin Dog won
Voting is still happening today
If you would like to vote
in the Fiction Month
but didn't bitcoin dog win though i swore he no he did not because the winner will be announced
sunday it felt like he won though i mean like did you see his post it was like what was that one
you do not know what you're talking about what was the post that he had don't what was the post
yeah the talent showed shakeup didn't he have this one where he was like did you guys not read
this oh i certainly saw it it was like and then he like he implemented like all these really cool
stacker news stuff well he like bribed people to go comment on it is what he did that's what you're
talking about so it would seem like he won he even got to a point where he had like what he say
like he was trolling people too i think there will be a there that's still be judged by humans so
uh and that the judges have decided like it doesn't look like to announce results on the
doesn't look like he used any sort of help whatsoever i think it was really good he kept
within the word limit and everything.
Okay, well, I don't hear about it.
He even had a call out to Gray Ruby,
which I thought was hilarious.
But I thought it was a really good job by,
really good effort by RealBitcoinDog.
Anyways.
Okay, but we don't know.
He might win, but we don't know yet.
I thought he got announced.
My bad.
Nope.
He might consider himself a winner.
I feel like.
Yeah, and he should.
Yeah, and there's no harm.
I feel like real Bitcoin dog always keeps it light,
so I'm just keeping it light, too.
He's a good stacker.
He is a good stacker.
Kepford, 29?
Yeah.
Oh, more Cowboys?
Yeah.
We got Kepford.
The HN bot, dude, is out hatting most of you.
Get your game in order, please.
Phoenix.
Nanya.
Simple stacker.
Shockneck.
Justin Shockneck.
Justin Shockneck keeping it real.
You ever see his comments, dude?
Oh, yeah.
Keeping it real.
He'll definitely bring the heat.
Keeping it real.
In the comments section.
Always keeping it real.
Yep.
That's a thing.
Mega Dreamer.
Can vary.
What else we got?
I think that's it.
Ben the Carmen's back.
Yeah.
Ben the Carmen.
Kenya coin.
Has his hat.
Never get back to his peak.
At one point, I think he was like second with the hat.
Dead beef.
Sato chip.
Yeah, pretty much rounding out.
Yeah, that's everybody.
Yeah, that's pretty much everybody.
Yeah, boy.
That's all the Cowboys for this week.
Pazooty.
That's pretty much everybody.
How do I go back to where I was trying to go?
Yeah, there we go.
That's everybody.
Pretty good week.
Keon, what are you doing this weekend?
i am not sure i'm gonna leave it up to fate uh what i'm gonna do oh cool i might continue doing
younger through the weekend yeah the only thing that you was gonna bring up was tapconf and startup
day so startup day we have should bring this up because it's uh it's important so october 10th
happening 30 wait how many days 33 days from now get your start update tickets we're going to
announce there's a big speaker coming i can't say who it is but it's happening next week we're
gonna make all right do they speak spanish actually they do yeah how'd you know that
there's a big speaker coming next week uh we're gonna make the announcement it's gonna be big
um spanish and they speak spanish i know but i'm trying to i'm trying to play get your tickets now
they're selling out we even added an uh an option now for people that are in the yucatan in mexico
if you want to come.
Francisco made them to where they're $99 now.
So there you go.
Oh, for the party?
No, for the whole event.
Really?
Yeah.
Dude.
There you go.
That's very generous.
It's very generous.
Yeah.
Anyway, get your tickets now while you still can
and make an announcement next week for the big speaker.
The other thing I want to mention was TabConf 7.
Make sure to get your tickets.
It's happening here.
13th.
It's really soon.
Really soon, yeah.
They have all the talks, I think, here.
Where is it at?
Here.
Let me go to the project board.
Because we haven't talked about this.
I don't think once, but we need to.
Because we're going to be there.
TEPCOM 7 is happening that week.
There's going to be a Snacker News Takeover.
What are we doing?
Did you not know this?
I remember this coming up, but I thought it had lost steam.
no it didn't it's just happening there's gonna be a snacker news takeover
keon's gonna be there i'm gonna be there uh snacker sports i don't know if they know they're
gonna be there but they're gonna be there um it's so early podcast is gonna be there i don't know if
they knew they're gonna be they're gonna be there um and we're gonna do a stacker stacker news table
of all these live podcasts we'll do a live snl um and uh all our friends plepot are you going
well i wasn't planning on it but now i might go now she's now she's going and she'll have the zines
there we're also we're also supposed to release the snl dvd there so we'll have that and then um
i need to work on that huh yeah we're waiting for waiting for wumble to get that so we'll have all
that stuff there and um i think that's already got punched in by brandon so we're good for that
and the other thing there's all these other things that are going to be there get your tickets now
and I think I'm doing another panel
on founder stuff.
I'd have to look. Keanu, are you doing any other stuff?
Any other panels? I don't think so.
I don't think I'm doing anything.
That's how I like it. I like to go.
Oh, there's a Mario Kart.
You like to go and you like to hide.
Yeah, I like to go and hide and just walk.
Let's do a Mario Kart thing. That should be fun, dude.
Mario Kart Double Sense.
That should be really fun.
Oh, you can pay a bolt 12?
Boss.
anyway that should be fun
and then
so make sure to get your tickets for that
where is D++ have they moved out
they're not in Austin anymore
they do Bitcoin
I think Bitcoin is
how much is it in Bitcoin
yeah it's only 121 bucks
I think California
get it
get your tickets
I think it's the same price
what hotel is it the same hotel
I think it's the same
yeah it's going to be the same in the Georgia Tech
hotel
Georgia Tech Hotel
that's new
oh no
you're at the
garden
yeah but there's
some pretty close
close by hotels
and then there's
a lot of
Airbnbs and stuff
like that
don't stay in
Airbnbs
but
oh yeah
Keon's anti-Airbnbs
yeah do me a favor
don't
but
you know why
don't
stay in an Airbnbs
but stackers
get your tickets
while you still can
the other thing is
that's pretty much it
they destroy neighborhoods
Keon
what do you do this weekend
or did I ask you that already
I think you already asked
what do you do this weekend
Oh, I'm playing volleyball.
Oh, playing volleyball.
Cool.
What are you?
I'm just working.
I have a lot of stuff to do.
I got to get all this stuff ready.
Is that what that list is there?
Yep.
What does that even say?
Well, there's about four things on that list.
Five things on that list.
Oh, the to-do's there.
Yeah, because we finished product month for Startup School and then we started revenue.
I found those two books, so I need to read through some of that and then I need to get that ready.
Does one of them say early days eat?
early days edit edit i ran into it feels like it feels like eating it because you're just like
eating through the edit yeah oh wow i ran into a guy out in the wild who uh the wild selling some
lemonade for and was accepting bitcoin and cool found out he was going to be given an early era
oh that's awesome startup school uh presentation this week i think that's amazing so that was cool
Was it Jack?
No.
Sounds like something he would do, sell lemonade.
You know who sells lemonade.
Well, kids sell lemonade.
Oh, yeah.
Do I know who sells lemonade?
Oh, yes, I do.
Okay.
Yeah, that's awesome.
Aha.
Cool.
Yeah, I think that's everything.
Oh, the other thing I should bring up is I didn't even bring this up.
We have one more thing.
Do you think, this is a question I have for both of you,
do you think the Amish would use eCash?
No.
Okay.
Yeah, that's fair.
You just heard that one talking to Theo Vaughn, right?
Yeah, it was good.
Do you think he would use eCash?
Because that's where my opinion is coming from.
It's just what I heard that guy say.
I don't know because it's like they're not running the technology.
They're just holding, you know, they can write it down on a piece of paper.
They are trusting a technology institution.
Maybe they do that.
So we have Jimmy Song coming to Bitcoin Builders Club on the 15th.
If you're around the Texas area or if you're not, fly in.
It'd be worth it because he's going to be giving a fireside chat with me.
We're going to talk about all the Builder stuff.
It'll be fun.
Cool.
Bitcoin Builders Club on the 15th on Monday.
I forgot to mention this.
Oh.
It's going to be fun.
On the 15th.
Johnny's going to be cooking some food.
Yeah, that was a good event.
I went to the last one.
Yeah, it's going to be better this time.
We're going to do it.
We're going to do it better.
Cool.
That's all the stories I have.
Key on.
Zap.