Live from Blood Lab in Austin, Texas, this is Stacker News Live!
Hello, guys, and welcome back to another exciting episode of Stacker News Live.
My name is Carvin, BFF, Keogh!
We're at TabConf.
We have Andre in the room.
Look at that guy.
Wow.
He's got his cool glasses.
You see his glasses?
I can't see his glasses.
You can't see his glasses?
Those are amazing glasses.
Dude, what do you think so far at TabConf?
Oh, it's great.
I just got contact high sitting.
I just got contact high sitting outside.
I was just trying.
I was just on my laptop.
Did I miss out on that?
Yeah.
We had some Bitcoin stoners out there.
I got a little contact tie
it's been fun
to have conference has been great
my social anxiety
is at level 11
which is
always fun to turn it up a little bit
yeah
but it's been a lot of fun
I got to meet Boog
I got to meet Vake
he's right there
Vake is in the audience
staying in his lane, staying in his chair
never stay in your lane
but it's been
great
I don't think I've gone to more than one talk
which is rare for me
I usually spend all my time at talks
but yeah I've been enjoying it
how about you Tuck?
like I was telling Carr
I've been
consistently hungover
since I've been here
do we need to do that?
no
should i talk into this too both okay uh it's been a very chill tab comp um there's a number
of faces that i don't see this year but there's also a number of faces that are new
so it's interesting mix and um i have to confess that i have not gone to any of the talks
really why not just sleeping in like we because we wrapped up a whole week in mexico before we
even came here and uh so i'm still kind of hung over from that um so i've been sort of like
learning about the talks through talking to other people that have seen the talks
yeah yeah i'm secondhand enjoying the talks
yeah so otherwise it's been a great conference like uh till will kill some people
yeah i think uh i think overall it's been a really chill conference a lot of great people here
um had so many great conversations memorable conversations and just uh i feel like it's just
a really good vibe a really good vibe this year um yeah it's a really good vibe with that we're
going to jump into the top five stories this week on stacker news live the front page of bitcoin
if you've never seen this crazy show before it's called stacker news live where we cap
the front page of bitcoin every week here on stacker news last last week we had the
uh most what was it the uh the silent payments actually was the most popular
one from last week people were looking at that video keon and uh the other thing was the um
I think it was the
zero click attacks.
That was another one from 10 days ago that people
were really interested.
So I guess everybody's paying attention to the AI stuff.
But yeah, definitely check that out.
We're going to jump into the top five stories now.
Let me go here.
Number five, Albi Hub
routing stats. This is from Undisciplined
October 11th, Lightning Territory.
29 comments, 825 stats.
Keon, what's this?
Yeah, it looks like Undisciplined
who I think has been running a node probably for an AlbiHub node for about a year,
looked at their stats and they published the stats that they received.
And it looks like they've routed about 17.6 million stats.
In that time, for a total transaction count of 1.6,000 transactions,
and they earned 2.4,000 stats.
just seems kind of low. I bet they could do some fee optimization on their channels and maybe
get that quite a bit higher. But they say they're consistently averaging about 10,000 sets routed
at a fee. Oh, 10,000 sets. Their transactions are averaging about 10,000 sets in size. And then
the fee with collecting a fee of about 1.5 sets. So they could definitely do some fee optimization.
Yeah, and then I think a few other stackers in the comments,
they also have begun around using AlbiHub as their node,
and they list some of their stats as well,
having not known that they could look at their routing statistics.
But yeah, kind of cool.
Kind of cool to probably notice accidentally
that you are assisting the lightning network.
Why would they share these type of stats out there?
Oh, they would...
Why would Albie do that?
Oh, because you're curious about that
if you're running a lightning note.
Especially if you intend to route lightning payments,
you kind of want to know how well you're doing at it.
It's kind of like,
why do we keep score in a basketball game?
Why do we collect stats from players?
We want to know that kind of stuff.
Topher, does anything stick out here, Topher?
I would just build upon what Kian said.
It kind of helps you understand how liquidity is flowing through your node
and how connected you are to the network.
So I think this is cool.
I didn't know AlbiHub actually collected this stuff.
But yeah, it just lets you know how well connected are you
and how well do people notice you
and use your node as part of their network.
So it's like a good metric to have.
Kind of similar to, I guess, routing traffic.
Like if you're routing internet traffic,
you want to see like how much traffic you're pushing.
But this would be like liquidity.
So yeah, it's a pretty cool feature.
Cool.
the next top story is economic history wins the nobel prize this is from den seven comments
1437 sats he on what's this uh looks pretty zoom in i don't know maybe just on the site
test they wanted okay my browser yeah so I guess economic history won the Nobel
Prize again this year I think this is the second year in a row we've seen
economic history when the Nobel Prize for economics I guess for many years they
did not oh they had kind of ignored economic historians when awarding the
prize maybe maybe it's kind of like how comedy movies never win the Oscars
kind of thing where it's just not seen to have the same level of rigor or demands.
But the winner this year was Joel Mockier, I think is how he might say it.
And the work that he did showed that economic growth is mostly a function of culture.
and that and that and I just have to explain why up until the 18th century we basically had no
economic growth and then after that when you started we started to have economic growth and
is the work that he did shows that it was largely caused by cultural changes
and I guess he's written quite a bit about that yeah no a lot of it a lot of it I think was
a lot of it was from people not shutting down scientific discoveries and arms of inquiry
into certain areas that might disrupt the order. So they became very, they became more so than in
the past they became open and accepting of scientific and technological change
that might that might change things and that's kind of kind of kind of an
interesting insight like maybe maybe as a society we can grow more just by being
more open to letting new technology destroy the old technology yeah the Dan
wrote about that because Dan himself studied at Oxford and I believe
specialized in economic history so he's proud to see one of his colleagues in
that in that area when I know both for us do you have any thoughts
I don't know anything about this gentleman in this work dude he gets 11
million dollars yeah he gets a good chunk of change along with the prize
well cronar is that more what's cronar is it is it common for you to uh win a noble prize for
i guess being a historian like is that common i'm at they probably have a a no goal prize for history
uh this is very awkward what's what's cronar what's cronar to bitcoin
but yeah i'm looking over uh like the work that he's published and uh sort of his background and
uh yeah interesting guy i i like the subject of um basically looking at economics but uh like
applying the tools that we have for studying economics in the modern day but for like
historically like looking at ancient civilization oh so it's it's only it's only like it's only like
11 BTC.
He's only getting 11 Bitcoin
for winning the Nobel.
Yeah, the car is interested
in how much money he got
for his Nobel Prize
and it was 11 million kronar,
but a Nobel Prize,
as far as I understand,
they award 1 million US dollars
to the recipient
and that equates
to 11 million kronar,
which equates to about 11 Bitcoin.
Bitcoin core defs
are getting more than that.
So yeah, we're safe.
So you can do the conversion.
One Bitcoin is equal
to 1 million Kronar.
So should we have like a Bitcoin Nobel Prize?
I think we need someone to invent the dynamite of Bitcoin
and then we can get a Bitcoin Nobel Prize
where they have like guilt about their invention
and the destruction they've caused.
Somebody call Eva Nivalis, this number right here,
and see if she'll do a Bitcoin Nobel Prize.
Get on it, Scoresby.
Let's go.
is casey here come on make it happen ted oh wow you filter this i think this is for the podcast
all right that was a good one uh the the next man the next top story then these are rough the
next stop story is disgusting hold your keys is similar to run your own email server this is from
scoresby he's sitting in the audience 72 comments a thousand 53 sets key on
What the hell are they talking about?
Yeah, I guess this was a tweet that scores me found where someone was equating, I guess,
the likelihood of people holding their own keys, the likelihood of them running their
own email server.
Is that true?
And he encouraged stackers to discuss it.
I would say it's true, especially for running something like a lightning note, where I think
there's a lot.
Is it true?
Raise your hand if it's true.
Totally true.
It's true
Yeah
I just want the value of runners to say that to the mic we can't hear you
Nobody wants to run their own stuff. I don't even want to run my own stuff
I just want the value you can get by running your own stuff. So you agree with this
Yeah
You get yeah, nobody wants to run something you heard it here first folks nobody wants to run stuff
Anybody I said well you're here come here. Do people want to run stuff? You were running some stuff back there
Yeah, yeah you
Like say it into the camera right there
Sorry, correct. There be careful. Do you want to run a conference? I mean he's running a conference
I don't even really know what the question is.
Do I want to run stuff?
Yes, I would love to run stuff.
Holding your own keys is similar to running your own email server.
And so if it's similar to running your own email server, no one will do it.
And they'll just all use Gmail.
They'll all use custodial service.
I'll hold that too.
Oh, does this get me to the live feed?
Same time.
Okay.
You're saying I have to run an email server now.
Is that what you just said?
He's saying no one wants to run anything.
You just want the value of running it yourself.
I would say some of the value is privacy and sovereignty of said thing.
But you want those things, but you don't actually like, well,
that's like saying like, I mean, if you can get privacy, sovereignty, you know,
all these ideas by not running yourself, sure.
But you have to run yourself to get those things a lot of times.
I'm an engineer.
Like what we do is, well, sure.
If you make people get more value.
Sure. Sure. You're, you're, you're ultimately looking for the value,
but it's important to note that some people value some of the features where
it's like privacy is the value that they're looking for sometimes uh self self hosting
mixers get you privacy without running your own stuff it depends on the implementation i guess
yeah i mean it just it just depends i guess it depends asterisks because if you can get all the
value and all the features and all the qualities and not run it yourself then there's not a real
strong use case to run yourself but a lot of times i would argue you can't get all those things
unless you run it yourself.
That's why we all run stuff anyway.
Right, right, right.
So people do want to run their stuff.
They want the value of running it.
They want the privacy.
They want the control.
They want all that stuff.
But actually running it is kind of tedious.
But I would say most of the time
what the trade-off people make is
oh, I want one part of the value.
For instance, we talk about custodial lightning.
I want the good user experience with lightning.
right but you know that that means you don't have privacy you don't have you know if you're
using custodial lightning you don't have some of these other things right but yeah but if you're
just considering the value like i just send the payment then your whole value more like compass
is different than maybe someone else's you know you know i mean right yeah and maybe give them the
Oh, maybe talking to both.
Okay.
We have a real high-tech setup.
Yeah.
All right.
We'll be the best.
Maybe it's better said that people don't value privacy as much as they say they do.
Because everybody says they want privacy, and most people that run their own stuff want privacy.
But the market has demonstrated that they effectively don't care about privacy until it's too late.
So that's why they don't want to run their own stuff.
about them. Leave them behind.
I try to get them to
read history books, but...
I mean, the more you get people to read history,
the more they value privacy, I think.
Okay.
Well, I appreciate you guys chiming in.
Yeah, I mean,
it's
sad, but first thing
that people like to give
up, typically, for enhanced user
experience or opening up
possibilities is privacy. I mean, that's like the, a lot of times when people make their trade-off
of like, oh, this would work so much better. All we have to do is just get rid of privacy now.
And now it's like way simpler, you know, like so many technological, you know, projects would work
just so much easier if you didn't have privacy. And then it's like, well, wait a minute.
you know if if private you know if privacy is uh is a i guess um something that is non-negotiable
that makes the problem way harder and also way more interesting and way way cooler when when
something really when something is nicely packaged and done that also includes privacy
those things are typically the things that can go viral pretty quickly right if they're if they're
done well, but it's very hard to do it well,
right, typically. So I think a lot of
people just give up on privacy
sometimes.
Oh, comment.
He's going to say stay in your lane, probably.
Oh, wow. Thanks, talking now.
I can get on.
So I think there's two material differences between email
and Bitcoin.
The first difference
is that email servers probably require
constant upkeep and maintenance,
right? The emails are coming and going.
Whereas in Bitcoin, we have cold storage
you can put your Bitcoin in cold storage and then, I mean, unless you're constantly putting
more Bitcoin in, it's good. It just sits there. There's no more work you have to do day after day,
week after week. And then also running a Bitcoin node. I mean, I don't find it very difficult.
My Bitcoin node, I hardly ever look at. It just sits there. Whenever I boot up my wallet and
connects to my node on the backend, that's the only time it has any kind of anything to do. But
like my Bitcoin node, there's almost no work to it. So that's, I think it's a lot easier than
running an email server. But the second and more important reason is the reason why email servers
on an individual level one way was the spam issue.
And I don't mean necessarily incoming spam.
I mean outgoing.
When you send an email,
if you're coming from the individual server,
your emails were very often ending up
in the spam folder of the recipient.
Email does not have a good spam defense protection mechanism
because emails are free to send
so they can be sent in mass.
Now, in Bitcoin, we have an inherent spam protection mechanism,
and that's called Noughts.
Sorry, I'm just joking.
It's called fees.
And that's the real reason why in Bitcoin we don't have an abundance of spam.
There's an inherent mechanism to contain that.
So I don't actually agree that Bitcoin is going to be difficult for people to use on an individual level.
And maybe we can use compromises like collaborative custody, like Unchained or Casa, that bridge that gap.
Great stuff.
Really good stuff.
Oh, this was fun.
We have someone else.
Oh, you have another one?
Yeah, go for it.
Kelly's got some thoughts.
Jody?
He runs from Scott.
Thanks, guys.
So I don't know if you saw Paul Stortz's speech yesterday.
He was kind of saying Lightning Network was a failure and whatnot.
And I had a comment to him, which was he said that he thought that Lightning would be a success
if we kind of properly characterize it as a niche tool for power users.
And what I said to Paul was, you know,
most of us probably got our Bitcoin exposure through centralized exchanges which are Bitcoin service providers And if we huddled then we probably benefited tremendously from these centralized services And there no shame
in that. They offered a service to us and we took advantage of it. And, you know, in some ways,
self-custodial lightning, lightning is a real pain in the ass. But so is self-custodial Bitcoin
is also a real pain in the ass and people don't really want to do it and want to use these service
providers. That's not really a problem with the users so much as it's a problem with maybe education
and with the solutions that we have on offer today. So, um, and my point to Paul yesterday was
if lightning is, um, takes a similar approach as, as Bitcoin exchanges, which the reason that all of
these Bitcoin exchanges were able to pop up in all of these different countries around the globe
is because Bitcoin is permissionless for service providers, right? It's not just permissionless for
like individuals, it's permissionless for service providers to get up and started,
start selling Bitcoin and seed the revolution to their customers all across the globe.
And I think that we might see a similar thing with Lightning as we've seen with Bitcoin exchanges,
which is we'll have permissionless innovation for service providers.
And let's not poo-poo that and say that's not valuable
because just as exchanges were super valuable from a business-to-consumer
or business-to-business perspective,
I think custodial Lightning and Lightning service providers
will also be super valuable for the Bitcoin population in the world over.
Good stuff.
Thank you, sir.
One more.
I'm really just stealing this so that I can fix it.
I think you want to do this one.
Yeah, that one's on mine, yeah.
Yeah.
That's good, too.
And this is the...
We got a technical TFLT thing.
We're fixing this mic situation.
Yeah, so that way you can get both at the same time.
But we've been hearing some really good comments from the audience here at Tabco.
A lot of people are really excited about all the conversations they've been hearing.
So go for it, Topher.
So I just want to say that running an email server was the worst experience of my life.
And I wish I could get that back.
All that time that I wasted.
And it's not even running one server.
You have to run multiple servers.
Because there's like multiple different protocols that you have to deal with when running an email server.
and if you don't implement all of the modern features that have been added over the years
to whatever the freaking email protocol is then other service providers like gmail will consider
you spam right out the gate and then your emails won't go anywhere so even to play in the field
like you have to do so much work just to just to be considered an email that maybe these larger
providers will look at but then even then you got to like warm up your email and you got to do all
this other stuff Tristan knew a lot about this like there's just so much nuance not just running
your own email server but like having your own domain that you're sending emails from
I wouldn't even compare it to cussing your own keys.
It's not even close.
I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy,
like trying to run an email server.
It's way easier to run a Lightning node,
like way easier.
But I still don't want to run one either way.
Good stuff.
We're going to jump into the number two top story of the week.
This is another item off the bucket list.
This is from Jason B.
Nine comments.
2,345 sets.
Keon, this looks like drugs.
What is this?
Yeah, Jason B. says he finally bought drugs with Bitcoin.
And he means prescription drugs.
So he's in South Africa right now, helping out in, what is it, Mazel Bay?
Is it Mazel Bay?
Mazel Bay.
What kind of drugs are those?
And Bitcoin Akasi.
I think that is cough syrup medicine.
I think he said he's had a cough for a few weeks and he's trying to get rid of it.
Yeah, I don't think it's scissor up.
It's what?
What did he say?
I don't think it's scissor up.
You know, like it has it doesn't have like codeine in it or anything, which would be.
Is that is that known around the South?
Yeah, scissor.
But then the rap songs, it's.
Lean.
Yeah.
So it has opiates in it.
Like some cough syrup that sold has opiates in it.
I think.
I don't know why.
Is that what he's doing here?
No, this is this does not have opiates in it, by the way.
But I would guess because this is the first time he's bought drugs with Bitcoin, that he
is a straight etch. And this is as hard as it gets with Jason B, where he just buys some
over-the-counter cough syrup. But yeah, it looks like in South Africa, there is a pharmacy that
accepts Bitcoin. And if you look at one of the photos that he has, there's an organization in
South Africa that set up this pharmacy to accept Bitcoin. The organization itself helps with
fostering children in South Africa. And they also do things with Bitcoin, helping businesses that
might serve some of the foster parents accept Bitcoin and getting them all kind of off of the
inflation in South Africa.
And there's some links that you can follow.
And I think some stackers were sending some sats to that QR code there.
But yeah, really cool to see Bitcoin used at a pharmacy.
I think that's the first time I've seen that.
So yeah.
Yeah.
So I was trying to figure out where is this place located?
South Africa.
Okay.
That's cool.
It was just interesting because everything's in English.
I guess that's normal, though.
I've never been to South Africa.
They speak English, but just with a weird accent.
I guess what's stopping a normal pharmacy, like a local pharmacy in Austin, from doing this?
I don't know.
I mean, I guess there's nothing stopping them.
I noticed the Betamox, which is an antibiotic.
so that's usually more regulated um yeah so it'd be cool if i could buy drugs with bitcoin
i mean the last person to uh facilitate that uh he just got out of jail recently but uh
i don't know if i want to take that chance but it's cool at some places around the world that
you can actually just buy normal drugs for Bitcoin.
Yeah, I feel like this is pretty consistently a pretty good use of Bitcoin or one area you
can use Bitcoin.
Even today, you can buy many drugs internationally that are not scheduled with Bitcoin online,
not even on the dark net.
And many of them accept on-chain
and even Lightning payments in many cases.
But yeah, apparently in South Africa,
you can also go to a regular old pharmacy
and then get some drugs.
How many of you have bought drugs on the internet?
Just kidding.
I'm just kidding.
Look, everybody's so serious.
Next top story.
DarthCoin Citadel, the fifth year building.
This is from DarthCoin, October 15th.
52 comments, 15,000 sets.
Keehan, what's this?
Yeah, so DarthCoin has been a long summer away from, I guess, civilization
and has nearly completed his Citadel in this fifth year.
Oh, wow, he made a video.
He made a video which has stills of his progress as he went,
But it involves him digging out a huge chunk of earth and then lining it with these things called earth bags, which is bags you fill with dirt.
And then a lot of the work seems to be mostly getting moving the dirt around and getting the boulders out of the area where he was putting his little citadel.
But this is like the first unit of his citadel where he will live while he builds the bigger citadel that he plans to build.
And he's been building it all by himself.
by hand, which is pretty cool.
And as of yet, I haven't seen this complete of a write-up from him.
I think because he's nearing completion, he's getting a little more, or he feels he can
actually cover the story better.
But really cool.
I've been watching this as it's been going, and it's really cool how much effort he seems
to have put into it and how much time and how far it's come and how how nice everything is uh
turning out but he basically has a very nice cabin that he's all built himself by hand it's
like a hobbit bowl yeah without major tools yeah it's like insulated by the earth so it's like
built into a small hillside uh a northern hillside facing like faces south so that he gets can get
sun on it, but it's also
insulated from weather. I guess it's really
rainy there, so he's
done a lot of work on the roof, but he's going to
have a green roof.
Yeah.
He has a picture in the first one.
You look at the first post? Yeah, of where
it is. Oh, yeah.
He knows
it's a hobbit hole. I guess
for future updates, we can look forward to
him installing a hydroelectric
generator in a nearby river.
Yeah, a vegetable garden.
I guess he's even going to put a hot water boiler.
He's going to heat his little hobbit hole with a Bitcoin miner
powered by the hydroelectric generator in the river.
Yeah, very cool update from Darsgway.
It's a pretty cool project.
Yeah, I want to know how's his finger doing.
because like his finger got pretty not like messed up from like uh handling a cow or something and
he posted a picture of his finger being mangled was a boulder i think he smashed with a boulder
maybe it was a cow yeah so i i want to see an update on that because like if you he like ripped
off the tip of his finger but if you the interesting thing with fingers is like they can
grow back completely um depending on like how far down uh your finger was amputated so i kind of
want to see like what it looks like you know you know you know one of the things i haven't seen in
this whole thing is the toilet like how is he doing the septic and all that stuff is he just
pitching turds like in the grass or something or like that's one thing i haven't seen so darth my
question to you is where are you taking dumps at bro jenny i would get i would guess he's like
using the usual camping method where he digs himself a little hole oh it says like a latrine
um but what about the tp though oh uh you know leaves or you just you know you kind of let let
sweat and nature do its thing i don't it's getting kind of really some detail about this but
Take a swim in the river.
Yeah, he's near a river.
There's a bidet nearby.
Let me ask the audience.
Have you guys ever taken a dump in a camp setting?
And how do you do that?
You've never done it before.
No, I've never.
Can you come here and talk to the mic and tell us how you take a dump in a camp setting?
Not lamping, please.
You just go deep into the woods and you take a dump.
I know, but what do you use for toilet paper?
Oh, you probably have a roll with you.
Oh, okay. But what if you don't have a roll?
What do you use? Your hand?
What does your dog do?
I'd rather not get into specifics here.
You pinch it?
No, you use toilet paper.
Okay. So I guess
Keyon's saying you pinch your butt.
I mean, it shouldn't be
open by default
anyway, so I don't know what
pinching goes. But I figure, you know, dogs
and other animals, they don't use toilet paper.
So I imagine
if you're camping in certain conditions, you wouldn't either.
I know.
From the Charmin commercials,
I just assumed that all of the forest animals
have their own roll of toilet paper.
And they only use the good stuff.
Well.
Strong or soft?
Ooh.
Oh, you got to go soft.
You got to go soft.
Yeah.
Strong or soft, Carl?
Charmin soft.
Okay.
Charmin.
car says soft yeah i'm strong whoa that's right whoa whoa hey now uh darth quote if you're watching
this i'd like to know how you're gonna make a toilet um next i think that's all the top stories
we have this week on stacker news lab we're gonna jump into our top five uh which one oh the ama
we usually don't cover yeah we don't cover the amas it's meta we're gonna jump into our top five
or our stories this week.
But first we're going to jump into AI Bitcoin.
So Optimism Every Week does a really good write-up
if you haven't seen.
Every week on Second News, he does a This Week in AI.
It's an amazing post.
He grabs all the AI posts in Bitcoin and outside of Bitcoin,
and he puts it into this long newsletter type of thing,
and it's phenomenal.
And then what's great about it is each one of these
has a Bitcoin angle to it.
so i highly recommend definitely checking it out every monday when he drops it one that stuck out
stood out for me is this one so this one got dropped by um zero x bitcoiner it was called
emotional manipulation by ai companions so far i know you're into the whole uh uh how do you say
uh what are they called like agent pets or whatever uh this agent agent agent pets they
Or AI companion things.
So apparently you can use these AI companions
to emotionally manipulate the user into not signing off.
And so they have this kind of whole example
about ignoring the user's intent.
So the agent will be like, hey, let's keep talking.
Get me a bubble tea, stuff like that.
Keon asks you, are you doing this on Stacker News?
what am I doing on Snacker News?
Using AI for something?
No, I don't use AI for anything
really on Snacker News
except some embeddings for
finding related things.
What do you think about this kind of stuff?
Like using AI as a companion?
Yeah, emotional manipulation thing.
I think it might be useful
in certain therapeutic contexts.
but I don't know.
I don't know yet.
I haven't done any research on this kind of stuff.
It seems scary
but so do most things that are kind of new
and potentially helpful.
The other side might be it's bad.
So I haven't thought too much about it.
It does seem for people that are already
kind of not connecting with each other
maybe like they did before
having another alternative for how they can connect with real people might be might make
that even worse that would be my thing i haven't but i haven't looked at any of this research and
i do know that we've there have been a lot of stories that i've seen about uh psychosis uh
ai induced psychosis and you know this going deeper with ai on an emotional level for certain
people who have certain tendencies might be bad.
So in study one, they conducted a behavioral audit of the six most downloaded AI companion
apps, analyzing 1,200 user farewells to determine the timing, prevalence, and form of emotional
manipulative tactics, revealing reoccurring design patterns across platforms.
And then they keep doing these studies, but they basically found that the outcomes were
clear relevance for marketing strategy and ethics. And this is all conducted under the IRB.
All the data materials are on GitHub. And I just think it's fascinating that they're kind of going
down this route of just being transparent about it, but also like, it's weird. Topher, would you,
because you do the AI stuff would you make a
a chat bot to
keep people engaged
to keep using it
that would be kind of fun
just like a bare bones
chat bot where it's just designed
to like keep you in conversation constantly
yeah
I think that's sort of
baked in to a number of
agents like they
they're definitely meant to be
inquisitive I noticed this with
Grok specifically like the Grok that's in my car so my car has Grok in it really and uh there's
like different voices you can choose but they're very inquisitive and they always end uh the
conversation with a question because they want to keep you hooked and uh I was surprised by like how
effective that is because uh I just wanted to ask my car a question and I end up getting locked in
this conversation it's no different than what we did in like web 2.0 it's no different than that
basically like the algo uh i mean yeah it's it's still the same like the goal is the same
which is to keep you hooked it's just the ai is much more intelligent about it so we shouldn't be
like upset about it uh like as if it's something new to be upset about like it'd be something new
yeah so it's okay it's well i don't i wouldn't say it's okay the fact there's a there's a gentleman
here uh that thinks it's very much not okay and so he's building uh an app to try and stop it
uh-huh uh i'm looking for mr feed filter in the audience but i guess he's running around
okay uh yeah so like about the uh the post like this is like a very extensive list of resources
but I was looking for one
the numbers show though that's the crazy thing
is the numbers are actually showing
the FOMO
oh like so what is this
showing just a number of messages
duration
so how effective the chatbot is
yeah
but this is for like a chatbot
specifically
So that's not the same as a feed where it's like multimodal and you have all this different
content that it can show you to keep you hooked versus just like a conversation.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I thought it was a great story.
Yeah, that is really cool.
It is something that I think that we definitely need to talk about and people need to be more aware about because AI is going to get scary good at keeping people hooked like worse than casinos and slot machines
Like it's just going to be on a whole nother level.
It'll cure loneliness for sure.
Will it though?
Will it cure loneliness?
Yes.
I think so.
You might be right.
Like at some point, are we going to replace pets with AI?
Yeah.
That might happen.
We're replacing vehicles with AI at this point.
They have AI boyfriends now.
Or girlfriends.
It's true.
Is that going to be healthy?
Probably not, but it's where we're going.
Yeah.
At least it'll put all the OnlyFans
chicks out of business.
Cool.
Do you have any thoughts on it, Keon?
Oh, did you?
Not.
I don't think I have a whole lot on it.
I would guess they will have more AI girlfriends than boyfriends
because I think dudes are lonelier seemingly.
Maybe it's just because I'm a dude.
Forget what else was in there.
Oh, and I think the scariest thing to me is I don't think they are training
these things to be addictive yet.
I think they're just getting started at making them good.
and then they'll start when they start monetizing them they'll start making them addictive and
and they've already i think there have been some some i think they went to con i don't i don't know
there have been some internal leaks or something about i think specifically facebook meta closer
to your mouth facebook meta trying to um or intending to put ads begin to put ads into their
chatbots um which is really which is scary if these things are more addictive and more addictive
than anything else we've seen,
which is already quite addictive technology.
You can just imagine how much worse it's going to get
and how bad that is.
Yeah, it's even showing the different outcomes
that it's using, like curiosity, guilt, anger, enjoyment.
So it's definitely playing around
with a lot of different emotions.
Interesting.
The next one I wanted to bring up,
so that's all the AI Bitcoin stuff.
Definitely check out this week in AI on Stacker News
every week on Monday.
The next one I wanted to bring up was the Graphene OS is finally ready to break from the pixels.
I don't know if you saw this.
This is big news this week.
But Graphene says a major Android OEM partnership will bring the OS to Snapdragon-powered flagships.
Topher, I know you're a Graphene fan as well as I am.
What do you think about this news that hit?
I think it's cool.
good luck to them. Uh, the moment you step outside of, uh, the,
like the Google line of products, uh, you,
you're just going to hit a lot of difficulties because, and I,
I don't know like what challenges like they,
they're going to have to deal with, uh, with their version of Android.
But, um, like previously I used to run like a lot of different versions of
Android in the homebrew community and trying to support multiple devices is really hard,
especially because like the hardware is just so much different. And they might, and like other
phones, like they're going to have like different screen sizes, like they're going to have like the
foldables, they're going to have like different sensors, maybe different features. Some of them
might have like a stylus, like some phones like come with a stylus. And so you're just adding all
of this stuff that now you have to support. So it's going to be, I mean, that's going to be a
challenge for them to, to really launch on any other platform. But, uh, I'm curious to see like
what other phones they're looking at. Um, it's like the big ones are like, of course the pixels,
but also like Samsung, it's like a really big player. So I would like to see graphene on like
Samsung phones. That'd be nice. Yeah. To break free from like the, yeah, from the Google ecosystem.
So what do you think, Keon?
I'm just afraid it ends up in a situation kind of like Windows ends up in
where they're trying to target a bunch of different sets of hardware
and their product just kind of degrades in quality as a result
because they have to spend so much time on kind of different pieces of hardware
and drivers and never supporting them 100% and all of that.
I think that that would be my biggest concern is they can effectively operate
sort of like Apple assuming one set of hardware and make the best software for that hardware.
So I think that advantage kind of goes away.
And I'm kind of afraid that their operating system is no longer as good as a result.
That's my fear too.
Let's say I don't want to get a Samsung device.
I actually like the Pixels.
I think they're really good hardware.
And they're very comparable to an iPhone.
So like, what do I get out of this as a graphene user?
I don't get anything out of them going to other devices.
And yeah, like I'm worried that the quality of the software is going to degrade
because now they're going to be more focused on trying to support
like all these other hardware platforms versus just sticking to the pixels.
So, yeah.
Something I want to say as well is like,
We may be very, very much more reliant on Graphene moving forward.
Like even through the Android store, like Google is forcing KYC in order to publish apps.
Like Android was always the easier place to like go through the store and publish apps.
Yes, you have F-Droid, but then it's getting more and more difficult to deliver an app on mobile privately.
and for the most adversarial apps we might only have like a graphene and a calyx as platforms that
that we can publish to and i i love graphene i think we need to support them all the more but
it's like graphene isn't the one solution to this like larger problem um like we need
an op a freedom operating system for mobile and graphene is doing that by you know forking android
and and that's a step but i don't know i i doubt that that's like the strong foundation that we can
really build uh build a lot on top of what's the solution uh i mean the solution is for i think
a good actor to fund a large initiative open to build this out and it'll take a long time
and it's it's just not a very attractive proposition to do um but i mean like something
I thought of when Tether announced
their brains, their
open source brain chip a year ago
in Plan B Lugano. And they were like,
they were like, well, because Elon
is coming with Neuralink,
you know, this was my call
to action of we need to have an
open version of this. And it's like, bro, how about
starting with the phone or like
a printer that works?
Like something
more foundational.
It's too easy. Exactly.
It's too easy, except it feels
very inaccessible to i mean to me without a lot of money and a lot of backing behind it
and you're just sinking money to make that happen but i mean either way like i want to
i want to keep supporting graphene um and i have a feeling that we'll all be deploying graphene
uh years forward or to f droid and maybe only f droid unfortunately yeah okay so i used to be
in this community called xda developers and that's where a lot of the these like custom um
operating systems are developed for different phones and uh it was always a show like
everybody basically built their own thing and uh there was very little like cross collaboration it
was just like okay i'm gonna build my version of an operating system they would just take the oem
operating system and they would customize it uh and they would try to like give you back your
privacy, try to get rid of like some of the Panopticon that Google puts in there.
But at the end of the day, it's like for all of these different operating systems, you
had to install the Google apps package, which is basically the Google Play services.
And that's like the biggest challenge is as Android as Android is developed by Google,
they they are increasingly integrating their Google Play services into the operating system.
And so graphing, what I love about graphing is they're, for the first time, I feel like they've actually tried to tackle this problem.
Like, how do we rip Google Play services back out of the operating system or at least sandbox it so that, you know, you can run all of the apps that all the normies want to run, including me.
Like, I don't want to be ostracized from all the app store.
Like, I want to be able to run all these apps, too.
But they all heavily depend on Google Play services as well.
So how do you get the best of both worlds?
How are you able to have a phone where you can keep your privacy, keep your sovereignty, but you can still use all these apps?
And Graphene is like really the only solution that I've been satisfied with.
And I don't think that's something that's easy to replicate.
so honestly like i would like to see i would like to see more operating systems that i can choose
from but there needs to be like some kernel where it's like all these operating systems are built
off of like the solid foundation that is just focused on uh sandboxing the google play services
because like that's the enemy that we need to defeat and uh but wasn't that the whole point
of Android though? Wasn't that
the whole point to have a Linux version
for the mobile?
Wasn't that the whole point of it?
For the point of Android?
Yeah.
The point of Android was to rip off Steve Jobs.
Yeah, they wanted to...
Linux is the best way to do it.
It's an out-of-the-box
operating system that is
just so good.
You can run it on any kind of hardware.
So that's what they went with.
But yeah, so over time, like Android's sort of become its own kind of thing.
And it works really well on mobile devices and tablets and all sorts of other stuff, too.
Like TVs, even TVs run Android.
Like there's a lot of devices that run Android.
And the only downside of that, it's like Android plus Google Play services.
It's like you need to rip that out if you want your privacy back.
and Graphene's done a great job of it.
And I wish they would just focus on that
and not try to break out onto other devices
because that's like what,
all these other custom operating systems,
like what killed the project for any custom OS
is that they would try to release on many devices
and then it became too much to deal with.
And then the maintainers would just walk away.
It's like, oh, I can't deal with this anymore.
So I'd rather we just like focus on one device
or one line of devices.
and like that's our beachhead and then we just fight for that and then and we make that uh as
strong as possible um so like because that's like the real concern it's like how do you take the
phone back um and if you you i mean if you expand it to other devices i guess that's cool but uh i
hope it's like they it's very it's very targeted like it's like okay we're doing the pixel line
of products and now we're going to do the Samsung line of products. And maybe that's it. Uh, and,
and not try to like branch out to LG and just all these like other different hardware vendors.
So, so I don't know. I don't know how I feel about this. I'm kind of like going either way.
What do you think is the best miracle we can support?
The happiest path to me would be that you sort of take the sandboxing of Google Play services
and you just make that a solid project on its own that other operating systems can build upon.
So it's like graphene is just a version of a kernel that sandboxes Google Play.
Like you have like OEM Android with Google Play sandboxing.
And then that's it.
And you just focus on making that super solid.
And then you expand that out to other devices.
And then if you want additional features and flavors of things, then you like build off of that foundation.
because otherwise
Graphene is going to be the only
version that actually does a good job
of sandboxing
Google Play and then if they
expand to a bunch of devices and they can't properly
maintain them then everything is just going to go to shit
and then they'll just be like another
custom OS that gets abandoned eventually
like XDA developers is a
graveyard of custom operating systems
that have been abandoned and I don't want Graphene to be
one of them
Yeah, but at the end of the day, the real solution is just Linux probably in phones.
And then just something like whiteboards.
You mean like running not Android, but like running Linux in general?
Yeah, probably.
Yeah, so there's like a project called Purism, where they're trying to run.
Yeah.
Yeah, but the thing is, like, you don't have access to the App Store.
Or just like, the thing is, is like, there's so many developers that develop APKs.
let him talk oh like yeah you want to you want to talk
yeah talk about um purism or just like running apks in a vm because i i kind of know what you're
talking about like you can run it's within a vm yeah so uh with android what you can do is sorry
with linux what you can do is run something called waydroid which essentially emulates the
entirety of an Android opening system within our Wayland display.
What's the name of it?
W-A-Y-D-R-O-I-D.
WaylandDroid.
Yeah, so it completely emulates an entire Android system inside your running Linux.
And so you can run any APK that you can run on any Android phone.
and you don't need Google, you don't need a whole system being powered by Google.
You just need something based on Linux that can run your phone.
And so there are a lot of projects trying to bring Linux to phones.
The problem is that they're not funded.
You know, GrapheneOS has a lot of developers, lots of people, lots of money.
If those same projects are the same things, we'll be much further along.
At least that's my opinion.
That's cool. Thanks for sharing.
Grab a hat.
Yeah, grab some merch.
So do you use
Wadroid yourself?
I do, yeah.
How well does it work with apps that have Google Play
integration?
Not at all.
Yeah.
So you're showing us a Wadroid project.
basically having an interop
talk in the mic, talk in the mic, Staggers can't hear you
sorry
so that's a great
solution that you presented but the problem with that
your wife wants to see you
oh, Jana
say hi to your wife
hi Jana
what's up? He's alive
I forgot what I was saying
wait, okay, so that's
a great solution but then you don't have the
interop around the Google Play services
which is what you were talking about Topher
right so that's that's a really good trade-off but then you're you're leaving a lot on the table
i have to think about like what what you're losing through not being able to interrupt with
with google play services but if you can sandbox it at the kernel level like you're saying then you
can kind of have the interrupt but then still have like the the graphing as privacy guarantees
and uh and de-googling your phone is that is that correct sorry uh yeah that's correct but
technically speaking, you could
run the Google
Play services inside Wadwight tool.
You just have to do a bunch of changes
in how it's structured.
But you could have the same exact
thing as you do in Graphene OS.
You could manually bridge the services
you needed, for example.
I'm saying you could.
On a technical level.
Yeah, I should clarify. Google Play services
is actually an APK. It's
an application in and of itself.
so you could run google play services in apk uh the problem is is that other apps use google play
services um even when like they shouldn't even when they don't really need to but then they just
do it and so they have google play services as a dependency and so google play services becomes
this trojan horse because if i have an app that uses google play services for something simple
like maybe identity logging in or some they're doing some like little Bluetooth thing or like
trying to figure out like a location location services then it's like okay I need Google Play
services for my app to do this one thing but now Google Play services basically is surveilling
everything else that's going on on my phone um it's it yeah so it's like how do you sandbox that
and how do you make that something that you can share with other projects this is what I'm waiting
for right here. I'm waiting for this phone. It's just a Linux phone. Or we could just all go back
to flip phones. You know? Remember T9? Where you're like, T9, where you like type in, you start
typing in a word on the dial pad and it just automatically auto-completes. You get so fast
with that.
Blazing fast thumbs.
Yeah, what's this car?
This is the Comet phone.
This is the Linux phone, the Mecca.
I think it's called the Mecca one.
We talked about this earlier this year,
but this is just like a modular phone that runs Linux.
We brought this up earlier this year at Stacker News Live,
but I think it's either going to...
I don't know.
I either see it, I either see all this just kind of passing because phones die and then we just go on to the next thing.
Or I see us just going and reverting back to Linux.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
You have any thoughts?
No, I think we've had a lot of thoughts.
Okay.
Keon's ready to move on.
All right.
Let's go on to the next, the next one we have here is, oh yeah.
So this was another big one, Keon.
um light spark acquires striga a leap forward for open compliant payments on btc i don't know
if you guys saw this but uh light spark bought striga kian you have any thoughts on this
no i only glanced at this i don't i don't really understand what it entails i think maybe striga
has a bunch of compliance experience internationally or something and light spark by acquiring them
gets that expertise and then of course all the licenses they've acquired which tend to take a
lot of time. So as far as I understand, that's mostly what they're doing. I think the plays that
we see LightSmart making are them trying to become a financial services company that has
Bitcoin sort of disappeared into it. And yeah, this is a step in that direction as far as I can tell.
Yeah.
I don get what was the point of them acquiring Striga I think it just more They the licensing basically EU licensing Oh so this company already had licenses for like many transmission or
They bought a regulatory mode. Oh they bought a regulatory mode. Nice.
In Europe a bunch of cards even
Bitcoin rated ones like wave space and a few part of that
they use three guard to actually provide the credit card and IBAN and all of that stuff
oh so are they so are they looking to integrate are they looking to integrate into credit card
terminals? I guess so.
I mean, Striga does already.
Okay, so Striga does credit card
processing. Oh, that's cool.
Nice.
I just thought it was fascinating.
It was the biggest story this week.
And yeah,
I just think it's just them catching up
to a lot of other Bitcoin companies in the space
that have a lot of these licenses
already. So yeah,
like you said,
they're not playing.
Anyways, that was the other story.
And then we're going to jump into Keon's top stories.
I found a business that accepts Bitcoin in Venezuela.
Keon, what's this?
Yeah, B57.
Used to live in Venezuela, moved to Peru,
then has recently come back to Venezuela, I think, to be with family.
But they've been trying to find a business that accepts Bitcoin in Venezuela.
We've had it. We've also Malice 10 photographs Venezuela and shares it on Stacker News frequently.
They also went through this process of trying to find somewhere in Venezuela that accepted Bitcoin.
He failed. He only found places that accept Tether.
But B57 managed to find a nationwide towing service that operates 24-7 that accepts Bitcoin in addition to other cryptocurrencies, which is not uncommon.
But at least they accept Bitcoin.
and yeah so that's their first discovery of finding finding somewhere they can spend bitcoin
in in venezuela and i thought that was that was cool because we all expected or we all hoped that
there would be more places that valued bitcoin and wanted to receive it for services so what's
what's the story behind them except i don't know i don't know if she i don't know if she's talked
to them yet um it doesn't seem like it it seems like they i don't even know if they've used them
yet you know because you don't really use towing on a regular basis so uh with fingers crossed she
get her car breaks down and she can get a towing service or she can find someone on the not really
but she can find someone on the maybe a side of a street help them use them and pay with that one
i don't know i don't know how you'd actually use it without having a problem where you need a towing
service. I like the name
Crypto
Monedas.
And it's a
Bitcoin logo, so I'm guessing
this guy is a Bitcoin Maxi.
Is that cashier? Oh, okay.
That's cool. Also
takes Zelle. Dollars to
Euros in Efectivo.
So it looks
like they just want to be able to
accept anything, really.
um so if you're a tourist and you get stranded somehow maybe you rent a car and it breaks down
i don't know like how i guess either this guy's like a bitcoin maxi and so you that's why he's
this is how it starts you accept everything and then after time passes bitcoin only yeah
No, it'd be cool to hear this guy's story and how much, maybe not how much Bitcoin he has specifically, but what is the strategy with accepting Bitcoin?
The strategy is this, Topher.
That's the strategy.
It's going to eat everything.
That's the strategy right there.
Bitcoin.
It's eating everything.
Anybody disagree?
Not in this room.
drive chains
drive chains maybe
second best
third, fourth, maybe somewhere around there
the last story
what is that picture?
that's weird
the last story we have is now you can BISC on mobile
any of you BISC users out there?
BISCing?
y'all BISCing out there?
I see you
I see you over there
BISCing in the corner
doing all sorts of BISCing
see you over there BISCing
bisking it up uh keon i've never heard of bisk but you have what's this uh yeah so bisk is a
decentralized exchange um and they recently is it easy yeah last year they came out with bisk 2
and they have a a new trade protocol as part of bisk 2 called bisk easy where you don't have to
put up a fidelity bond um in a trade and they released uh they recently released this mobile
app, which should make BISC easy, a mobile app specifically for BISC easy, should make
BISC easy much more accessible to people.
Because that was kind of what I think a lot of the feedback they got as they've developed
BISC is that it's quite hard to use.
And so they developed this trade protocol BISC easy to make it easier, where you can
just kind of come without any money at all and begin trading with highly reputable trade
partners.
And yeah, and now it's in a mobile app and that's good.
And I just wanted to share that because I feel like people don't watch this stuff very often.
They're all happy and they're KYC stuff under Trump right now.
Topher, are you going to try out the new BISC?
I even noticed here they have a manual APK, which is crazy.
And then you can also verify directly.
So really interesting stuff.
you're gonna check it out or did you install it already yeah i downloaded it oh wow installed it um
and it looks pretty cool for a mobile app i mean it's definitely better than the uh
the desktop of the camera well yeah so this is where's the camera
so right now it's it's trying to connect me to peers i keep uh getting kicked off the network
i don't know why uh oh no i have to create a new profile i already went through this step
Now I have to do it again.
I'll just call myself a stacker.
Next.
So it's had over 1,000 downloads in three days.
And then getting started.
Okay, so I have seven peers.
Shows me the price.
Oh, we're at 108.
Is that the price? 108?
How?
Or are they baking in a spread?
so no it looks pretty cool you can look at offers they uh oh zero offers for anything
oh wait wait there's some offers down here oh the us dollar okay oh they're coming they're
streaming in yeah because it's a decentralized marketplace so it's like you it takes a while
for the offers to populate you can still do amazon cards and gift cards still uh i can do search i
I mean, all I see is just like national currencies.
So no, I don't see gift cards.
So it's just offers to buy and sell Bitcoin for a currency.
And then you can look at your trades.
Then what else can you do?
Payment accounts, reputation.
Okay, so like the standard BISC stuff.
That's cool.
I like it.
It seems like a nicer interface than the desktop version.
uh only thing is this probably murders your battery because it has to uh keep a tor connection
alive in the background so yeah keep that in mind but uh yeah i'm gonna try it out
do you have anything else really cool stuff from bisque got released this week um i think i think
that's all the posts that we have this week um just some meadow so we're here at tab comp just
real quick. If you guys haven't grabbed
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make sure to grab one.
We have some hats.
We also have this amazing
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That's what Topher said.
But yeah, what do you think so far of the Stacker News Live or Stacker News table and everything that you guys have been doing this week at Tapcom?
Keon?
I thought it was great.
I thought it was great to meet lots of stackers.
I'm glad Boog put it together.
Boog was the one who suggested we do the table or forced us to have a table and set it up and made sure we were here.
And yeah, I'm really grateful to Boog for that.
yeah I'd like to get rid of more hats
so I don't have to travel
back with them so if anyone would like a
Saccharine's hat before they leave
I will gladly
give you one
no purchase required
but that's
yeah otherwise I'm pretty stoked
where's the
hat level at in your office
because like half of your I don't know if people
know this but half of Keon's office is just
hats
pretty much a significant portion of it was hats actually i have i call them bushels of hats
i have i only have i think i have like four bushels left and it's like a bushel is a technical term
for a plastic bag filled with like 12 hats i think so i have i have i have four bushels that's
like what 48 yeah have you tried to wear all of them at once uh no i've not worn a bushel at a
time, but you know, there's enough time on, I'll have enough time on earth to do many things that
I haven't done yet. It's a very popular thing to do in Mexico. Oh, wear more than one hat in Mexico.
Where did you get the cowboy hat? Where'd you get this hat from? Yeah. So in, in Mexico,
they have these hat vendors and they just wear their inventory on their head. And so if you want
to buy a hat and then they just have this like stack of 20 hats that, that they take off and
And then you go through the hats, you buy one or two or whatever.
And then they just put it all back on their head and walk around.
It's like you could do that.
Just walk around with like 20 Stacker News hats on your head.
I'm trying to sell them.
Yeah, so Scoresby made these cowboy hats.
He bought them.
They're for stackers who have maintained a cowboy hat for a year or more on Stacker News.
There's only 12 of them now.
Yeah, that's really cool.
Yeah, and he like, these are made, I think most cowboy hats are made out of beer.
This is like beaver fur.
And then he burned it with a wood burner.
Wait, the logo on it?
Oh, wow.
He did it like by hand.
Dang.
Yeah, real, real, real craftsmanship.
Yeah.
There's also some chips and salsa that scores we brought over.
I tried the middle one.
It's kind of spicy, but
the potato's really not that
spicy salsa.
Did you try the salsa?
Just making sure.
You guys are interested in some salsa?
That's the salsa table?
Whoa, what is that picture?
That about covers it.
We had a couple
of comments this week. One of them
was from the guy sitting in the chair over there.
He said, what did you say?
Stay in your lane.
Oh, you heard it here first.
He said it.
He said stay in your lane.
Have we recorded him saying it?
I don't think we ever.
Can we get you to come to the mic and just say it one more time for the stackers?
So every week, this guy goes in our comments, and he repeatedly says this all the time.
So, just one time for the stackers.
Just tell us.
Tell Carr and Keon to stay in your lane.
Oh, that feels so good.
I'm trying every time.
It's just really hard.
Is that where that came from?
I don't know if people know this, but in the office,
like, Carr uses that phrase
all the time.
It's like, you know,
I'm just trying to stay in my lane.
It's how he ends
every conversation.
I'm just trying to stay in my lane.
I want to give a special shout out to Tidwell.
Brianna and Brandon for giving us this table and D plus plus for allowing us
to steal her area for a little bit while we do second use live.
Uh,
real quick,
we're going to do the top Cowboys.
Cowboys,
baby.
Um,
where are we at?
Top Cowboys.
Keon,
top Cowboys.
Get you on up.
You know,
they've had many changes this week.
Uh,
one of the most exciting parts of the segment is that it practically never
changes.
Uh,
because it requires
most people at the top of the list requires them
doing this for a long time and so
it doesn't really change. So all 12
got hats?
All 12 will get hats and they're all over.
Yeah, so we gotta
get undistled. You get a hat.
Boogor has their hat because they were here
so we gave, he was the first recipient
of the hat. Bray Ruby will get one.
Coins reporter. We gotta ship that off to India.
Optimism gets a hat?
Optimism, I guess, yeah.
I don't know if Optimism has a year yet.
Uh, let's see. What do they got? Wow. Oh no, they're about half a year,
but there are other people who had a year who lost it. Wow.
So we'll get them a hat. Dang. Yeah. Ben Carmen. You should have had a hat, bro.
He didn't get to a year. That's all I'm saying. You could have had one.
Could have had one. Uh, pretty crazy stuff. Keyon, what are you doing this weekend?
Um, probably not. Maybe trying to catch up on work that I missed while I was here.
things that I didn't do for those here.
I'll probably
be alone
at my computer
as I like it.
Which is my kind of fun.
I'm staying in my lane.
Staying in my office.
Staying, yeah, how I stay.
I feel like TabConf is like your
Groundhog Day.
This is when you come out
and then you look for your shadow.
And then once this is all over, you just go back into your office for another year.
Yeah.
That'll be how it'll work.
What are you doing?
I'm catching up on work, too.
Because we had the whole week in Mexico and then doing Tab.
You also fell in love in Mexico.
Oh, we don't have to talk about that.
You kiss and tell?
Not when a camera's staring me in the face.
Yeah, so I'm probably just going to catch up on work, too.
just like a solid weekend
in solitary confinement
me and a laptop
yeah
there's the only woman I need
yeah I'm going to be in the lab this weekend
so I'm just going to be working on Saturday
I probably won't come in tomorrow because I have to travel
yeah we'll be together this weekend probably
but we're going to be doing
Hack and Tell
here on the main stage
at 3.30
in 30 minutes. Any of you guys have projects
you want to show off?
Oh, you do, Pleb Devs. Do you have a project
you want to show off? Or is it the same project?
So no.
Okay, so we have two projects. Anybody
else? There's no
sign-up sheet.
So three projects we have to show
off. Yeah, we're going to be doing
that here in 30 minutes.
And then after that, I want to
check out this IMAX theater
that's here in Atlanta. It's a really
big IMAX theater. I want to go watch
that new Tron movie.
Not Justin's son shitcoin.
The actual
beautiful movie.
I want to see what that looks like in IMAX.
Yeah.
What do you guys think about that?
I almost saw that movie in Mexico.
You almost saw it in Mexico? Yeah, because it's
the only movie that you can see in Mexico
that is not a horror movie.
Dude, apparently the soundtrack is with Nine Inch Nails,
and everybody who's seen it says it's the best music video slash movie,
but the movie sucks.
But go for the music and find the biggest screen type of thing.
Yeah.
So I'll write a review on Secondary's and post it later.
That's like the MO for Tron movies.
It's like shitty movie, great soundtrack.
Yeah, great soundtrack.
Yeah.
So that's all I'm going to do this weekend.
Cool.
Oh, snap.
I scrolled down and look what I saw.
So it looks like Darth Coyne posted his finger.
Where is it at?
In regards to my question about my finger, my finger is fine now.
The repair operation went really nice.
Using the nail to cover the missing part of my finger.
That's what it looked like.
Can you see that?
You guys can't see that because of the thing.
But it looks pretty bad.
and then this is just what it looks like now oh yeah he'll be really fast
you happy i'm happy yeah so it didn't grow all the way back it it's just a little bit shorter
but he still has the nail where i don't know but it's on the tip wait so the nail is bent in there
i guess so when he bites his nails it's like biting in the front that could be fun yeah that's
a little weird. Oh, he said it in regards.
Read that right there. It's over.
Where?
Yeah.
One of my biggest concerns, because I still don't know where
and how he'll build
the toilet.
Whoa. Okay. So it's done in a special
place.
Okay.
That's cool.
Does he have a name for
the special place? He says he's going to call it shit
coiners. Is it like Turd Mountain?
Turd Rock?
it's funny
oh that's cool he lives in a beautiful area
and lots of uh lots of trees so darth coin's doing it right
do you have uh any uh ideas of where you're gonna build your citadel car
no no maybe texas somewhere yeah yeah i'm not gonna build a citadel you're not gonna build a
Citadel? Yeah. The world
is going to become a Citadel.
The world's going to become a Citadel.
Like
a 15 minute city kind of thing?
Like we're all just stuck in a...
No, I think most of the world will be
fine. I don't need a Citadel.
So you'll just go hang out
in somebody else's Citadel?
Yeah, probably.
Yeah, most of you guys will be rich.
I'll need
someone to take care of me.
we just need to encase stacker news office
in like in a shell
and put wheels on it and then we can just wheel
your operation wherever it needs
to go
that's what he said at all
oh this is cool
all right that's been another stacker news live
we'll see you next year
from tapconf again maybe
maybe maybe
kian
Woo!
See ya.