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Live from Blood Lab in Austin, Texas, this is Stacker News Live!

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Hello, guys, and welcome back to another exciting episode of Stacker News Live.

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My name is Carvin, BFF, Keogh!

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We're at TabConf.

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We have Andre in the room.

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Look at that guy.

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Wow.

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He's got his cool glasses.

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You see his glasses?

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I can't see his glasses.

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You can't see his glasses?

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Those are amazing glasses.

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Dude, what do you think so far at TabConf?

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Oh, it's great.

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I just got contact high sitting.

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I just got contact high sitting outside.

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I was just trying.

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I was just on my laptop.

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Did I miss out on that?

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Yeah.

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We had some Bitcoin stoners out there.

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I got a little contact tie

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it's been fun

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to have conference has been great

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my social anxiety

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always fun to turn it up a little bit

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but it's been a lot of fun

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I got to meet Boog

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I got to meet Vake

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he's right there

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Vake is in the audience

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staying in his lane, staying in his chair

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never stay in your lane

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but it's been

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I don't think I've gone to more than one talk

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which is rare for me

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I usually spend all my time at talks

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but yeah I've been enjoying it

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how about you Tuck?

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like I was telling Carr

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I've been

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consistently hungover

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since I've been here

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do we need to do that?

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no

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should i talk into this too both okay uh it's been a very chill tab comp um there's a number

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of faces that i don't see this year but there's also a number of faces that are new

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so it's interesting mix and um i have to confess that i have not gone to any of the talks

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really why not just sleeping in like we because we wrapped up a whole week in mexico before we

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even came here and uh so i'm still kind of hung over from that um so i've been sort of like

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learning about the talks through talking to other people that have seen the talks

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yeah yeah i'm secondhand enjoying the talks

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yeah so otherwise it's been a great conference like uh till will kill some people

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yeah i think uh i think overall it's been a really chill conference a lot of great people here

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um had so many great conversations memorable conversations and just uh i feel like it's just

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a really good vibe a really good vibe this year um yeah it's a really good vibe with that we're

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going to jump into the top five stories this week on stacker news live the front page of bitcoin

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if you've never seen this crazy show before it's called stacker news live where we cap

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the front page of bitcoin every week here on stacker news last last week we had the

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uh most what was it the uh the silent payments actually was the most popular

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one from last week people were looking at that video keon and uh the other thing was the um

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zero click attacks.

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So I guess everybody's paying attention to the AI stuff.

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But yeah, definitely check that out.

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We're going to jump into the top five stories now.

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Let me go here.

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Number five, Albi Hub

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routing stats. This is from Undisciplined

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October 11th, Lightning Territory.

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29 comments, 825 stats.

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Keon, what's this?

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who I think has been running a node probably for an AlbiHub node for about a year,

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looked at their stats and they published the stats that they received.

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And it looks like they've routed about 17.6 million stats.

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In that time, for a total transaction count of 1.6,000 transactions,

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and they earned 2.4,000 stats.

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just seems kind of low. I bet they could do some fee optimization on their channels and maybe

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get that quite a bit higher. But they say they're consistently averaging about 10,000 sets routed

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at a fee. Oh, 10,000 sets. Their transactions are averaging about 10,000 sets in size. And then

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the fee with collecting a fee of about 1.5 sets. So they could definitely do some fee optimization.

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and they list some of their stats as well,

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having not known that they could look at their routing statistics.

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that you are assisting the lightning network.

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Why would they share these type of stats out there?

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Why would Albie do that?

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if you're running a lightning note.

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you kind of want to know how well you're doing at it.

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why do we keep score in a basketball game?

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We want to know that kind of stuff.

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Topher, does anything stick out here, Topher?

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I didn't know AlbiHub actually collected this stuff.

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and use your node as part of their network.

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Kind of similar to, I guess, routing traffic.

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But this would be like liquidity.

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the next top story is economic history wins the nobel prize this is from den seven comments

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1437 sats he on what's this uh looks pretty zoom in i don't know maybe just on the site

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test they wanted okay my browser yeah so I guess economic history won the Nobel

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Prize again this year I think this is the second year in a row we've seen

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economic history when the Nobel Prize for economics I guess for many years they

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prize maybe maybe it's kind of like how comedy movies never win the Oscars

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But the winner this year was Joel Mockier, I think is how he might say it.

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economic growth and then after that when you started we started to have economic growth and

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is the work that he did shows that it was largely caused by cultural changes

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a lot of it was from people not shutting down scientific discoveries and arms of inquiry

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the past they became open and accepting of scientific and technological change

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that might that might change things and that's kind of kind of kind of an

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interesting insight like maybe maybe as a society we can grow more just by being

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more open to letting new technology destroy the old technology yeah the Dan

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specialized in economic history so he's proud to see one of his colleagues in

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that in that area when I know both for us do you have any thoughts

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I don't know anything about this gentleman in this work dude he gets 11

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million dollars yeah he gets a good chunk of change along with the prize

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well cronar is that more what's cronar is it is it common for you to uh win a noble prize for

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i guess being a historian like is that common i'm at they probably have a a no goal prize for history

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uh this is very awkward what's what's cronar what's cronar to bitcoin

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but yeah i'm looking over uh like the work that he's published and uh sort of his background and

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uh yeah interesting guy i i like the subject of um basically looking at economics but uh like

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applying the tools that we have for studying economics in the modern day but for like

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historically like looking at ancient civilization oh so it's it's only it's only like it's only like

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He's only getting 11 Bitcoin

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for winning the Nobel.

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in how much money he got

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for his Nobel Prize

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and it was 11 million kronar,

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but a Nobel Prize,

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to 11 million kronar,

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which equates to about 11 Bitcoin.

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are getting more than that.

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So yeah, we're safe.

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So you can do the conversion.

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One Bitcoin is equal

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to 1 million Kronar.

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So should we have like a Bitcoin Nobel Prize?

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I think we need someone to invent the dynamite of Bitcoin

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and then we can get a Bitcoin Nobel Prize

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where they have like guilt about their invention

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and the destruction they've caused.

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Somebody call Eva Nivalis, this number right here,

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and see if she'll do a Bitcoin Nobel Prize.

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Get on it, Scoresby.

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Let's go.

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is casey here come on make it happen ted oh wow you filter this i think this is for the podcast

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all right that was a good one uh the the next man the next top story then these are rough the

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next stop story is disgusting hold your keys is similar to run your own email server this is from

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scoresby he's sitting in the audience 72 comments a thousand 53 sets key on

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What the hell are they talking about?

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Yeah, I guess this was a tweet that scores me found where someone was equating, I guess,

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the likelihood of people holding their own keys, the likelihood of them running their

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own email server.

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Is that true?

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And he encouraged stackers to discuss it.

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I would say it's true, especially for running something like a lightning note, where I think

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there's a lot.

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Raise your hand if it's true.

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Totally true.

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It's true

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I just want the value of runners to say that to the mic we can't hear you

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Nobody wants to run their own stuff. I don't even want to run my own stuff

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I just want the value you can get by running your own stuff. So you agree with this

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You get yeah, nobody wants to run something you heard it here first folks nobody wants to run stuff

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Anybody I said well you're here come here. Do people want to run stuff? You were running some stuff back there

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Like say it into the camera right there

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Sorry, correct. There be careful. Do you want to run a conference? I mean he's running a conference

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I don't even really know what the question is.

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Do I want to run stuff?

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Yes, I would love to run stuff.

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Holding your own keys is similar to running your own email server.

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And so if it's similar to running your own email server, no one will do it.

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And they'll just all use Gmail.

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They'll all use custodial service.

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I'll hold that too.

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Oh, does this get me to the live feed?

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Same time.

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You're saying I have to run an email server now.

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Is that what you just said?

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He's saying no one wants to run anything.

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You just want the value of running it yourself.

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I would say some of the value is privacy and sovereignty of said thing.

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But you want those things, but you don't actually like, well,

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that's like saying like, I mean, if you can get privacy, sovereignty, you know,

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all these ideas by not running yourself, sure.

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But you have to run yourself to get those things a lot of times.

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I'm an engineer.

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Like what we do is, well, sure.

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If you make people get more value.

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Sure. Sure. You're, you're, you're ultimately looking for the value,

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but it's important to note that some people value some of the features where

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it's like privacy is the value that they're looking for sometimes uh self self hosting

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mixers get you privacy without running your own stuff it depends on the implementation i guess

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yeah i mean it just it just depends i guess it depends asterisks because if you can get all the

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value and all the features and all the qualities and not run it yourself then there's not a real

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strong use case to run yourself but a lot of times i would argue you can't get all those things

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unless you run it yourself.

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That's why we all run stuff anyway.

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Right, right, right.

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So people do want to run their stuff.

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They want the value of running it.

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They want the privacy.

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They want the control.

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They want all that stuff.

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But actually running it is kind of tedious.

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But I would say most of the time

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what the trade-off people make is

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oh, I want one part of the value.

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For instance, we talk about custodial lightning.

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I want the good user experience with lightning.

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right but you know that that means you don't have privacy you don't have you know if you're

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using custodial lightning you don't have some of these other things right but yeah but if you're

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just considering the value like i just send the payment then your whole value more like compass

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is different than maybe someone else's you know you know i mean right yeah and maybe give them the

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Oh, maybe talking to both.

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Okay.

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We have a real high-tech setup.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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We'll be the best.

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Maybe it's better said that people don't value privacy as much as they say they do.

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Because everybody says they want privacy, and most people that run their own stuff want privacy.

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But the market has demonstrated that they effectively don't care about privacy until it's too late.

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So that's why they don't want to run their own stuff.

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about them. Leave them behind.

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I try to get them to

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read history books, but...

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I mean, the more you get people to read history,

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the more they value privacy, I think.

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Okay.

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Well, I appreciate you guys chiming in.

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Yeah, I mean,

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it's

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sad, but first thing

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that people like to give

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up, typically, for enhanced user

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experience or opening up

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possibilities is privacy. I mean, that's like the, a lot of times when people make their trade-off

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of like, oh, this would work so much better. All we have to do is just get rid of privacy now.

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And now it's like way simpler, you know, like so many technological, you know, projects would work

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just so much easier if you didn't have privacy. And then it's like, well, wait a minute.

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you know if if private you know if privacy is uh is a i guess um something that is non-negotiable

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that makes the problem way harder and also way more interesting and way way cooler when when

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something really when something is nicely packaged and done that also includes privacy

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those things are typically the things that can go viral pretty quickly right if they're if they're

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done well, but it's very hard to do it well,

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right, typically. So I think a lot of

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people just give up on privacy

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sometimes.

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Oh, comment.

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He's going to say stay in your lane, probably.

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Oh, wow. Thanks, talking now.

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I can get on.

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So I think there's two material differences between email

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and Bitcoin.

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The first difference

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is that email servers probably require

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constant upkeep and maintenance,

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right? The emails are coming and going.

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Whereas in Bitcoin, we have cold storage

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you can put your Bitcoin in cold storage and then, I mean, unless you're constantly putting

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more Bitcoin in, it's good. It just sits there. There's no more work you have to do day after day,

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week after week. And then also running a Bitcoin node. I mean, I don't find it very difficult.

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My Bitcoin node, I hardly ever look at. It just sits there. Whenever I boot up my wallet and

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connects to my node on the backend, that's the only time it has any kind of anything to do. But

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like my Bitcoin node, there's almost no work to it. So that's, I think it's a lot easier than

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running an email server. But the second and more important reason is the reason why email servers

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on an individual level one way was the spam issue.

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And I don't mean necessarily incoming spam.

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I mean outgoing.

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When you send an email,

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if you're coming from the individual server,

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your emails were very often ending up

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in the spam folder of the recipient.

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Email does not have a good spam defense protection mechanism

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because emails are free to send

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so they can be sent in mass.

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Now, in Bitcoin, we have an inherent spam protection mechanism,

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and that's called Noughts.

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Sorry, I'm just joking.

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It's called fees.

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And that's the real reason why in Bitcoin we don't have an abundance of spam.

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There's an inherent mechanism to contain that.

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So I don't actually agree that Bitcoin is going to be difficult for people to use on an individual level.

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And maybe we can use compromises like collaborative custody, like Unchained or Casa, that bridge that gap.

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Great stuff.

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Really good stuff.

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Oh, this was fun.

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We have someone else.

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Oh, you have another one?

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Yeah, go for it.

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Kelly's got some thoughts.

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Jody?

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He runs from Scott.

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Thanks, guys.

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So I don't know if you saw Paul Stortz's speech yesterday.

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He was kind of saying Lightning Network was a failure and whatnot.

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And I had a comment to him, which was he said that he thought that Lightning would be a success

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if we kind of properly characterize it as a niche tool for power users.

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And what I said to Paul was, you know,

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most of us probably got our Bitcoin exposure through centralized exchanges which are Bitcoin service providers And if we huddled then we probably benefited tremendously from these centralized services And there no shame

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in that. They offered a service to us and we took advantage of it. And, you know, in some ways,

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self-custodial lightning, lightning is a real pain in the ass. But so is self-custodial Bitcoin

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is also a real pain in the ass and people don't really want to do it and want to use these service

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providers. That's not really a problem with the users so much as it's a problem with maybe education

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and with the solutions that we have on offer today. So, um, and my point to Paul yesterday was

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if lightning is, um, takes a similar approach as, as Bitcoin exchanges, which the reason that all of

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these Bitcoin exchanges were able to pop up in all of these different countries around the globe

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is because Bitcoin is permissionless for service providers, right? It's not just permissionless for

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like individuals, it's permissionless for service providers to get up and started,

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start selling Bitcoin and seed the revolution to their customers all across the globe.

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And I think that we might see a similar thing with Lightning as we've seen with Bitcoin exchanges,

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which is we'll have permissionless innovation for service providers.

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And let's not poo-poo that and say that's not valuable

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because just as exchanges were super valuable from a business-to-consumer

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or business-to-business perspective,

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I think custodial Lightning and Lightning service providers

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will also be super valuable for the Bitcoin population in the world over.

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Good stuff.

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Thank you, sir.

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One more.

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I'm really just stealing this so that I can fix it.

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I think you want to do this one.

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Yeah, that one's on mine, yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's good, too.

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And this is the...

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We got a technical TFLT thing.

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We're fixing this mic situation.

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Yeah, so that way you can get both at the same time.

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But we've been hearing some really good comments from the audience here at Tabco.

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A lot of people are really excited about all the conversations they've been hearing.

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So go for it, Topher.

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So I just want to say that running an email server was the worst experience of my life.

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And I wish I could get that back.

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All that time that I wasted.

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And it's not even running one server.

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You have to run multiple servers.

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Because there's like multiple different protocols that you have to deal with when running an email server.

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and if you don't implement all of the modern features that have been added over the years

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to whatever the freaking email protocol is then other service providers like gmail will consider

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you spam right out the gate and then your emails won't go anywhere so even to play in the field

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like you have to do so much work just to just to be considered an email that maybe these larger

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providers will look at but then even then you got to like warm up your email and you got to do all

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this other stuff Tristan knew a lot about this like there's just so much nuance not just running

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your own email server but like having your own domain that you're sending emails from

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I wouldn't even compare it to cussing your own keys.

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It's not even close.

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I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy,

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like trying to run an email server.

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It's way easier to run a Lightning node,

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like way easier.

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But I still don't want to run one either way.

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Good stuff.

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We're going to jump into the number two top story of the week.

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This is another item off the bucket list.

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This is from Jason B.

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Nine comments.

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2,345 sets.

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Keon, this looks like drugs.

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What is this?

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Yeah, Jason B. says he finally bought drugs with Bitcoin.

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And he means prescription drugs.

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So he's in South Africa right now, helping out in, what is it, Mazel Bay?

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Is it Mazel Bay?

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Mazel Bay.

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What kind of drugs are those?

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And Bitcoin Akasi.

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I think that is cough syrup medicine.

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I think he said he's had a cough for a few weeks and he's trying to get rid of it.

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Yeah, I don't think it's scissor up.

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It's what?

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What did he say?

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I don't think it's scissor up.

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You know, like it has it doesn't have like codeine in it or anything, which would be.

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Is that is that known around the South?

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Yeah, scissor.

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But then the rap songs, it's.

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Lean.

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Yeah.

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So it has opiates in it.

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Like some cough syrup that sold has opiates in it.

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I think.

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I don't know why.

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Is that what he's doing here?

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No, this is this does not have opiates in it, by the way.

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But I would guess because this is the first time he's bought drugs with Bitcoin, that he

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is a straight etch. And this is as hard as it gets with Jason B, where he just buys some

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over-the-counter cough syrup. But yeah, it looks like in South Africa, there is a pharmacy that

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accepts Bitcoin. And if you look at one of the photos that he has, there's an organization in

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South Africa that set up this pharmacy to accept Bitcoin. The organization itself helps with

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fostering children in South Africa. And they also do things with Bitcoin, helping businesses that

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might serve some of the foster parents accept Bitcoin and getting them all kind of off of the

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inflation in South Africa.

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And there's some links that you can follow.

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And I think some stackers were sending some sats to that QR code there.

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But yeah, really cool to see Bitcoin used at a pharmacy.

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I think that's the first time I've seen that.

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So yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I was trying to figure out where is this place located?

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South Africa.

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South Africa.

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Okay.

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That's cool.

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It was just interesting because everything's in English.

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I guess that's normal, though.

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I've never been to South Africa.

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They speak English, but just with a weird accent.

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I guess what's stopping a normal pharmacy, like a local pharmacy in Austin, from doing this?

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I don't know.

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I mean, I guess there's nothing stopping them.

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I noticed the Betamox, which is an antibiotic.

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so that's usually more regulated um yeah so it'd be cool if i could buy drugs with bitcoin

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i mean the last person to uh facilitate that uh he just got out of jail recently but uh

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i don't know if i want to take that chance but it's cool at some places around the world that

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you can actually just buy normal drugs for Bitcoin.

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Yeah, I feel like this is pretty consistently a pretty good use of Bitcoin or one area you

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can use Bitcoin.

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Even today, you can buy many drugs internationally that are not scheduled with Bitcoin online,

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not even on the dark net.

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And many of them accept on-chain

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and even Lightning payments in many cases.

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But yeah, apparently in South Africa,

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you can also go to a regular old pharmacy

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and then get some drugs.

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How many of you have bought drugs on the internet?

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Just kidding.

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I'm just kidding.

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Look, everybody's so serious.

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Next top story.

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DarthCoin Citadel, the fifth year building.

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This is from DarthCoin, October 15th.

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52 comments, 15,000 sets.

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Keehan, what's this?

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Yeah, so DarthCoin has been a long summer away from, I guess, civilization

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and has nearly completed his Citadel in this fifth year.

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Oh, wow, he made a video.

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He made a video which has stills of his progress as he went,

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But it involves him digging out a huge chunk of earth and then lining it with these things called earth bags, which is bags you fill with dirt.

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And then a lot of the work seems to be mostly getting moving the dirt around and getting the boulders out of the area where he was putting his little citadel.

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But this is like the first unit of his citadel where he will live while he builds the bigger citadel that he plans to build.

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And he's been building it all by himself.

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by hand, which is pretty cool.

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And as of yet, I haven't seen this complete of a write-up from him.

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I think because he's nearing completion, he's getting a little more, or he feels he can

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actually cover the story better.

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But really cool.

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I've been watching this as it's been going, and it's really cool how much effort he seems

493
00:30:00,170 --> 00:30:07,510
to have put into it and how much time and how far it's come and how how nice everything is uh

494
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:15,390
turning out but he basically has a very nice cabin that he's all built himself by hand it's

495
00:30:15,390 --> 00:30:20,350
like a hobbit bowl yeah without major tools yeah it's like insulated by the earth so it's like

496
00:30:20,350 --> 00:30:28,270
built into a small hillside uh a northern hillside facing like faces south so that he gets can get

497
00:30:28,270 --> 00:30:30,190
sun on it, but it's also

498
00:30:30,190 --> 00:30:32,210
insulated from weather. I guess it's really

499
00:30:32,210 --> 00:30:34,330
rainy there, so he's

500
00:30:34,330 --> 00:30:36,290
done a lot of work on the roof, but he's going to

501
00:30:36,290 --> 00:30:37,430
have a green roof.

502
00:30:40,390 --> 00:30:40,830
Yeah.

503
00:30:41,410 --> 00:30:43,450
He has a picture in the first one.

504
00:30:44,030 --> 00:30:46,290
You look at the first post? Yeah, of where

505
00:30:46,290 --> 00:30:47,750
it is. Oh, yeah.

506
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:49,270
He knows

507
00:30:49,270 --> 00:30:51,270
it's a hobbit hole. I guess

508
00:30:51,270 --> 00:30:54,010
for future updates, we can look forward to

509
00:30:54,010 --> 00:30:55,810
him installing a hydroelectric

510
00:30:55,810 --> 00:30:57,270
generator in a nearby river.

511
00:30:58,270 --> 00:31:00,710
Yeah, a vegetable garden.

512
00:31:00,910 --> 00:31:02,850
I guess he's even going to put a hot water boiler.

513
00:31:03,490 --> 00:31:07,830
He's going to heat his little hobbit hole with a Bitcoin miner

514
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:10,350
powered by the hydroelectric generator in the river.

515
00:31:12,210 --> 00:31:15,230
Yeah, very cool update from Darsgway.

516
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:19,450
It's a pretty cool project.

517
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:23,750
Yeah, I want to know how's his finger doing.

518
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:34,370
because like his finger got pretty not like messed up from like uh handling a cow or something and

519
00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:39,090
he posted a picture of his finger being mangled was a boulder i think he smashed with a boulder

520
00:31:39,090 --> 00:31:44,590
maybe it was a cow yeah so i i want to see an update on that because like if you he like ripped

521
00:31:44,590 --> 00:31:50,630
off the tip of his finger but if you the interesting thing with fingers is like they can

522
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:58,530
grow back completely um depending on like how far down uh your finger was amputated so i kind of

523
00:31:58,530 --> 00:32:04,670
want to see like what it looks like you know you know you know one of the things i haven't seen in

524
00:32:04,670 --> 00:32:09,170
this whole thing is the toilet like how is he doing the septic and all that stuff is he just

525
00:32:09,170 --> 00:32:14,650
pitching turds like in the grass or something or like that's one thing i haven't seen so darth my

526
00:32:14,650 --> 00:32:22,130
question to you is where are you taking dumps at bro jenny i would get i would guess he's like

527
00:32:22,130 --> 00:32:26,670
using the usual camping method where he digs himself a little hole oh it says like a latrine

528
00:32:26,670 --> 00:32:35,410
um but what about the tp though oh uh you know leaves or you just you know you kind of let let

529
00:32:35,410 --> 00:32:41,210
sweat and nature do its thing i don't it's getting kind of really some detail about this but

530
00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:42,350
Take a swim in the river.

531
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:43,630
Yeah, he's near a river.

532
00:32:44,330 --> 00:32:46,170
There's a bidet nearby.

533
00:32:46,590 --> 00:32:47,410
Let me ask the audience.

534
00:32:47,530 --> 00:32:50,350
Have you guys ever taken a dump in a camp setting?

535
00:32:50,890 --> 00:32:51,870
And how do you do that?

536
00:32:53,030 --> 00:32:54,090
You've never done it before.

537
00:32:54,210 --> 00:32:54,810
No, I've never.

538
00:32:55,370 --> 00:32:58,730
Can you come here and talk to the mic and tell us how you take a dump in a camp setting?

539
00:33:00,810 --> 00:33:01,950
Not lamping, please.

540
00:33:03,290 --> 00:33:05,530
You just go deep into the woods and you take a dump.

541
00:33:06,190 --> 00:33:08,310
I know, but what do you use for toilet paper?

542
00:33:09,310 --> 00:33:10,490
Oh, you probably have a roll with you.

543
00:33:11,210 --> 00:33:12,650
Oh, okay. But what if you don't have a roll?

544
00:33:13,550 --> 00:33:14,510
What do you use? Your hand?

545
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:15,430
What does your dog do?

546
00:33:16,210 --> 00:33:17,830
I'd rather not get into specifics here.

547
00:33:18,130 --> 00:33:18,710
You pinch it?

548
00:33:19,170 --> 00:33:21,370
No, you use toilet paper.

549
00:33:22,150 --> 00:33:23,210
Okay. So I guess

550
00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:24,570
Keyon's saying you pinch your butt.

551
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:27,330
I mean, it shouldn't be

552
00:33:27,330 --> 00:33:29,210
open by default

553
00:33:29,210 --> 00:33:30,870
anyway, so I don't know what

554
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:33,190
pinching goes. But I figure, you know, dogs

555
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:35,190
and other animals, they don't use toilet paper.

556
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:36,650
So I imagine

557
00:33:36,650 --> 00:33:39,030
if you're camping in certain conditions, you wouldn't either.

558
00:33:39,970 --> 00:33:40,610
I know.

559
00:33:40,610 --> 00:33:44,130
From the Charmin commercials,

560
00:33:44,330 --> 00:33:47,130
I just assumed that all of the forest animals

561
00:33:47,130 --> 00:33:49,170
have their own roll of toilet paper.

562
00:33:53,470 --> 00:33:55,570
And they only use the good stuff.

563
00:33:57,490 --> 00:33:57,990
Well.

564
00:33:58,990 --> 00:34:00,130
Strong or soft?

565
00:34:01,350 --> 00:34:01,830
Ooh.

566
00:34:02,530 --> 00:34:03,590
Oh, you got to go soft.

567
00:34:04,030 --> 00:34:05,070
You got to go soft.

568
00:34:05,390 --> 00:34:05,530
Yeah.

569
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:07,370
Strong or soft, Carl?

570
00:34:07,650 --> 00:34:08,530
Charmin soft.

571
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:09,330
Okay.

572
00:34:09,530 --> 00:34:09,850
Charmin.

573
00:34:09,850 --> 00:34:16,970
car says soft yeah i'm strong whoa that's right whoa whoa hey now uh darth quote if you're watching

574
00:34:16,970 --> 00:34:21,970
this i'd like to know how you're gonna make a toilet um next i think that's all the top stories

575
00:34:21,970 --> 00:34:29,950
we have this week on stacker news lab we're gonna jump into our top five uh which one oh the ama

576
00:34:29,950 --> 00:34:35,710
we usually don't cover yeah we don't cover the amas it's meta we're gonna jump into our top five

577
00:34:35,710 --> 00:34:37,150
or our stories this week.

578
00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:39,170
But first we're going to jump into AI Bitcoin.

579
00:34:39,450 --> 00:34:42,350
So Optimism Every Week does a really good write-up

580
00:34:42,350 --> 00:34:44,390
if you haven't seen.

581
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:47,470
Every week on Second News, he does a This Week in AI.

582
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:49,790
It's an amazing post.

583
00:34:49,870 --> 00:34:53,870
He grabs all the AI posts in Bitcoin and outside of Bitcoin,

584
00:34:53,870 --> 00:34:57,130
and he puts it into this long newsletter type of thing,

585
00:34:57,230 --> 00:34:58,350
and it's phenomenal.

586
00:34:58,910 --> 00:35:01,350
And then what's great about it is each one of these

587
00:35:01,350 --> 00:35:03,010
has a Bitcoin angle to it.

588
00:35:03,010 --> 00:35:08,510
so i highly recommend definitely checking it out every monday when he drops it one that stuck out

589
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:16,270
stood out for me is this one so this one got dropped by um zero x bitcoiner it was called

590
00:35:16,270 --> 00:35:23,390
emotional manipulation by ai companions so far i know you're into the whole uh uh how do you say

591
00:35:23,390 --> 00:35:32,410
uh what are they called like agent pets or whatever uh this agent agent agent pets they

592
00:35:32,410 --> 00:35:34,570
Or AI companion things.

593
00:35:35,450 --> 00:35:38,430
So apparently you can use these AI companions

594
00:35:38,430 --> 00:35:42,270
to emotionally manipulate the user into not signing off.

595
00:35:42,830 --> 00:35:44,690
And so they have this kind of whole example

596
00:35:44,690 --> 00:35:48,310
about ignoring the user's intent.

597
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:52,850
So the agent will be like, hey, let's keep talking.

598
00:35:53,950 --> 00:35:56,630
Get me a bubble tea, stuff like that.

599
00:35:58,270 --> 00:36:02,070
Keon asks you, are you doing this on Stacker News?

600
00:36:02,410 --> 00:36:05,610
what am I doing on Snacker News?

601
00:36:06,110 --> 00:36:07,430
Using AI for something?

602
00:36:07,890 --> 00:36:10,530
No, I don't use AI for anything

603
00:36:10,530 --> 00:36:12,490
really on Snacker News

604
00:36:12,490 --> 00:36:14,030
except some embeddings for

605
00:36:14,030 --> 00:36:15,390
finding related things.

606
00:36:15,390 --> 00:36:16,670
What do you think about this kind of stuff?

607
00:36:18,070 --> 00:36:20,570
Like using AI as a companion?

608
00:36:20,910 --> 00:36:22,990
Yeah, emotional manipulation thing.

609
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:25,730
I think it might be useful

610
00:36:25,730 --> 00:36:28,790
in certain therapeutic contexts.

611
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:32,430
but I don't know.

612
00:36:32,590 --> 00:36:33,670
I don't know yet.

613
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:35,330
I haven't done any research on this kind of stuff.

614
00:36:35,470 --> 00:36:37,830
It seems scary

615
00:36:37,830 --> 00:36:41,310
but so do most things that are kind of new

616
00:36:41,310 --> 00:36:43,350
and potentially helpful.

617
00:36:43,470 --> 00:36:45,510
The other side might be it's bad.

618
00:36:46,250 --> 00:36:48,270
So I haven't thought too much about it.

619
00:36:48,830 --> 00:36:51,710
It does seem for people that are already

620
00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:55,010
kind of not connecting with each other

621
00:36:55,010 --> 00:36:56,490
maybe like they did before

622
00:36:56,490 --> 00:37:01,210
having another alternative for how they can connect with real people might be might make

623
00:37:01,210 --> 00:37:06,410
that even worse that would be my thing i haven't but i haven't looked at any of this research and

624
00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:14,490
i do know that we've there have been a lot of stories that i've seen about uh psychosis uh

625
00:37:14,490 --> 00:37:22,370
ai induced psychosis and you know this going deeper with ai on an emotional level for certain

626
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:28,090
people who have certain tendencies might be bad.

627
00:37:29,530 --> 00:37:35,670
So in study one, they conducted a behavioral audit of the six most downloaded AI companion

628
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:43,150
apps, analyzing 1,200 user farewells to determine the timing, prevalence, and form of emotional

629
00:37:43,150 --> 00:37:47,070
manipulative tactics, revealing reoccurring design patterns across platforms.

630
00:37:47,690 --> 00:37:50,650
And then they keep doing these studies, but they basically found that the outcomes were

631
00:37:50,650 --> 00:37:55,930
clear relevance for marketing strategy and ethics. And this is all conducted under the IRB.

632
00:37:56,830 --> 00:38:04,910
All the data materials are on GitHub. And I just think it's fascinating that they're kind of going

633
00:38:04,910 --> 00:38:13,790
down this route of just being transparent about it, but also like, it's weird. Topher, would you,

634
00:38:13,790 --> 00:38:16,030
because you do the AI stuff would you make a

635
00:38:16,030 --> 00:38:18,030
a chat bot to

636
00:38:18,030 --> 00:38:19,650
keep people engaged

637
00:38:19,650 --> 00:38:21,450
to keep using it

638
00:38:21,450 --> 00:38:24,090
that would be kind of fun

639
00:38:24,090 --> 00:38:26,390
just like a bare bones

640
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:28,390
chat bot where it's just designed

641
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:30,210
to like keep you in conversation constantly

642
00:38:30,210 --> 00:38:30,630
yeah

643
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:34,010
I think that's sort of

644
00:38:34,010 --> 00:38:36,130
baked in to a number of

645
00:38:36,130 --> 00:38:38,070
agents like they

646
00:38:38,070 --> 00:38:40,230
they're definitely meant to be

647
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:41,930
inquisitive I noticed this with

648
00:38:41,930 --> 00:38:50,770
Grok specifically like the Grok that's in my car so my car has Grok in it really and uh there's

649
00:38:50,770 --> 00:38:56,650
like different voices you can choose but they're very inquisitive and they always end uh the

650
00:38:56,650 --> 00:39:03,290
conversation with a question because they want to keep you hooked and uh I was surprised by like how

651
00:39:03,290 --> 00:39:09,130
effective that is because uh I just wanted to ask my car a question and I end up getting locked in

652
00:39:09,130 --> 00:39:14,970
this conversation it's no different than what we did in like web 2.0 it's no different than that

653
00:39:14,970 --> 00:39:23,390
basically like the algo uh i mean yeah it's it's still the same like the goal is the same

654
00:39:23,390 --> 00:39:28,530
which is to keep you hooked it's just the ai is much more intelligent about it so we shouldn't be

655
00:39:28,530 --> 00:39:35,510
like upset about it uh like as if it's something new to be upset about like it'd be something new

656
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:44,010
yeah so it's okay it's well i don't i wouldn't say it's okay the fact there's a there's a gentleman

657
00:39:44,010 --> 00:39:51,130
here uh that thinks it's very much not okay and so he's building uh an app to try and stop it

658
00:39:51,130 --> 00:39:57,050
uh-huh uh i'm looking for mr feed filter in the audience but i guess he's running around

659
00:39:57,050 --> 00:40:05,210
okay uh yeah so like about the uh the post like this is like a very extensive list of resources

660
00:40:05,210 --> 00:40:08,010
but I was looking for one

661
00:40:08,010 --> 00:40:10,050
the numbers show though that's the crazy thing

662
00:40:10,050 --> 00:40:11,590
is the numbers are actually showing

663
00:40:11,590 --> 00:40:15,070
the FOMO

664
00:40:15,070 --> 00:40:18,270
oh like so what is this

665
00:40:18,270 --> 00:40:20,470
showing just a number of messages

666
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:21,590
duration

667
00:40:21,590 --> 00:40:24,390
so how effective the chatbot is

668
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:24,810
yeah

669
00:40:24,810 --> 00:40:25,530
yeah

670
00:40:25,530 --> 00:40:29,390
yeah

671
00:40:29,390 --> 00:40:34,250
but this is for like a chatbot

672
00:40:34,250 --> 00:40:34,870
specifically

673
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:41,590
So that's not the same as a feed where it's like multimodal and you have all this different

674
00:40:41,590 --> 00:40:45,270
content that it can show you to keep you hooked versus just like a conversation.

675
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:46,270
Yeah.

676
00:40:46,270 --> 00:40:50,270
I don't know.

677
00:40:50,270 --> 00:40:51,590
I thought it was a great story.

678
00:40:51,590 --> 00:40:53,630
Yeah, that is really cool.

679
00:40:53,630 --> 00:41:09,080
It is something that I think that we definitely need to talk about and people need to be more aware about because AI is going to get scary good at keeping people hooked like worse than casinos and slot machines

680
00:41:09,380 --> 00:41:11,080
Like it's just going to be on a whole nother level.

681
00:41:12,340 --> 00:41:13,960
It'll cure loneliness for sure.

682
00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:15,520
Will it though?

683
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:16,880
Will it cure loneliness?

684
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:17,100
Yes.

685
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:18,320
I think so.

686
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,040
You might be right.

687
00:41:20,260 --> 00:41:23,740
Like at some point, are we going to replace pets with AI?

688
00:41:24,460 --> 00:41:24,940
Yeah.

689
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:26,620
That might happen.

690
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,160
We're replacing vehicles with AI at this point.

691
00:41:29,620 --> 00:41:31,920
They have AI boyfriends now.

692
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:33,840
Or girlfriends.

693
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:35,260
It's true.

694
00:41:35,820 --> 00:41:36,880
Is that going to be healthy?

695
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,380
Probably not, but it's where we're going.

696
00:41:41,220 --> 00:41:41,420
Yeah.

697
00:41:42,780 --> 00:41:44,680
At least it'll put all the OnlyFans

698
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:45,760
chicks out of business.

699
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:48,560
Cool.

700
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:50,400
Do you have any thoughts on it, Keon?

701
00:41:51,620 --> 00:41:52,560
Oh, did you?

702
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:54,080
Not.

703
00:41:54,460 --> 00:41:56,580
I don't think I have a whole lot on it.

704
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:04,920
I would guess they will have more AI girlfriends than boyfriends

705
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,680
because I think dudes are lonelier seemingly.

706
00:42:10,180 --> 00:42:11,580
Maybe it's just because I'm a dude.

707
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:14,820
Forget what else was in there.

708
00:42:14,940 --> 00:42:17,660
Oh, and I think the scariest thing to me is I don't think they are training

709
00:42:17,660 --> 00:42:18,880
these things to be addictive yet.

710
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:23,160
I think they're just getting started at making them good.

711
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,280
and then they'll start when they start monetizing them they'll start making them addictive and

712
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:33,700
and they've already i think there have been some some i think they went to con i don't i don't know

713
00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:38,740
there have been some internal leaks or something about i think specifically facebook meta closer

714
00:42:38,740 --> 00:42:47,420
to your mouth facebook meta trying to um or intending to put ads begin to put ads into their

715
00:42:47,420 --> 00:42:52,920
chatbots um which is really which is scary if these things are more addictive and more addictive

716
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:53,920
than anything else we've seen,

717
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,020
which is already quite addictive technology.

718
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,180
You can just imagine how much worse it's going to get

719
00:42:58,180 --> 00:43:00,000
and how bad that is.

720
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,340
Yeah, it's even showing the different outcomes

721
00:43:04,340 --> 00:43:07,140
that it's using, like curiosity, guilt, anger, enjoyment.

722
00:43:07,740 --> 00:43:09,080
So it's definitely playing around

723
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,280
with a lot of different emotions.

724
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:11,620
Interesting.

725
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,640
The next one I wanted to bring up,

726
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:16,940
so that's all the AI Bitcoin stuff.

727
00:43:16,940 --> 00:43:20,160
Definitely check out this week in AI on Stacker News

728
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,280
every week on Monday.

729
00:43:21,860 --> 00:43:27,700
The next one I wanted to bring up was the Graphene OS is finally ready to break from the pixels.

730
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:29,180
I don't know if you saw this.

731
00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:31,680
This is big news this week.

732
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:37,680
But Graphene says a major Android OEM partnership will bring the OS to Snapdragon-powered flagships.

733
00:43:39,060 --> 00:43:42,720
Topher, I know you're a Graphene fan as well as I am.

734
00:43:42,780 --> 00:43:44,180
What do you think about this news that hit?

735
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:49,980
I think it's cool.

736
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:57,040
good luck to them. Uh, the moment you step outside of, uh, the,

737
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,440
like the Google line of products, uh, you,

738
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:05,020
you're just going to hit a lot of difficulties because, and I,

739
00:44:05,020 --> 00:44:08,940
I don't know like what challenges like they,

740
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:13,860
they're going to have to deal with, uh, with their version of Android.

741
00:44:13,860 --> 00:44:19,180
But, um, like previously I used to run like a lot of different versions of

742
00:44:19,180 --> 00:44:26,680
Android in the homebrew community and trying to support multiple devices is really hard,

743
00:44:27,020 --> 00:44:33,620
especially because like the hardware is just so much different. And they might, and like other

744
00:44:33,620 --> 00:44:38,380
phones, like they're going to have like different screen sizes, like they're going to have like the

745
00:44:38,380 --> 00:44:42,880
foldables, they're going to have like different sensors, maybe different features. Some of them

746
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:48,080
might have like a stylus, like some phones like come with a stylus. And so you're just adding all

747
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,920
of this stuff that now you have to support. So it's going to be, I mean, that's going to be a

748
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:59,400
challenge for them to, to really launch on any other platform. But, uh, I'm curious to see like

749
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:04,820
what other phones they're looking at. Um, it's like the big ones are like, of course the pixels,

750
00:45:04,980 --> 00:45:10,140
but also like Samsung, it's like a really big player. So I would like to see graphene on like

751
00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:15,760
Samsung phones. That'd be nice. Yeah. To break free from like the, yeah, from the Google ecosystem.

752
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,220
So what do you think, Keon?

753
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,140
I'm just afraid it ends up in a situation kind of like Windows ends up in

754
00:45:24,140 --> 00:45:27,480
where they're trying to target a bunch of different sets of hardware

755
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,200
and their product just kind of degrades in quality as a result

756
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,400
because they have to spend so much time on kind of different pieces of hardware

757
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,840
and drivers and never supporting them 100% and all of that.

758
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,140
I think that that would be my biggest concern is they can effectively operate

759
00:45:44,140 --> 00:45:51,020
sort of like Apple assuming one set of hardware and make the best software for that hardware.

760
00:45:51,780 --> 00:45:54,000
So I think that advantage kind of goes away.

761
00:45:54,900 --> 00:46:02,120
And I'm kind of afraid that their operating system is no longer as good as a result.

762
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:03,420
That's my fear too.

763
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,840
Let's say I don't want to get a Samsung device.

764
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:08,940
I actually like the Pixels.

765
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:10,900
I think they're really good hardware.

766
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,280
And they're very comparable to an iPhone.

767
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,320
So like, what do I get out of this as a graphene user?

768
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:21,220
I don't get anything out of them going to other devices.

769
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:26,200
And yeah, like I'm worried that the quality of the software is going to degrade

770
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,740
because now they're going to be more focused on trying to support

771
00:46:28,740 --> 00:46:32,840
like all these other hardware platforms versus just sticking to the pixels.

772
00:46:33,980 --> 00:46:35,040
So, yeah.

773
00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:39,660
Something I want to say as well is like,

774
00:46:39,660 --> 00:46:44,760
We may be very, very much more reliant on Graphene moving forward.

775
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:51,400
Like even through the Android store, like Google is forcing KYC in order to publish apps.

776
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,460
Like Android was always the easier place to like go through the store and publish apps.

777
00:46:56,060 --> 00:47:02,840
Yes, you have F-Droid, but then it's getting more and more difficult to deliver an app on mobile privately.

778
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:09,460
and for the most adversarial apps we might only have like a graphene and a calyx as platforms that

779
00:47:09,460 --> 00:47:16,340
that we can publish to and i i love graphene i think we need to support them all the more but

780
00:47:16,340 --> 00:47:23,400
it's like graphene isn't the one solution to this like larger problem um like we need

781
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:30,880
an op a freedom operating system for mobile and graphene is doing that by you know forking android

782
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:36,500
and and that's a step but i don't know i i doubt that that's like the strong foundation that we can

783
00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:43,780
really build uh build a lot on top of what's the solution uh i mean the solution is for i think

784
00:47:43,780 --> 00:47:49,880
a good actor to fund a large initiative open to build this out and it'll take a long time

785
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:57,060
and it's it's just not a very attractive proposition to do um but i mean like something

786
00:47:57,060 --> 00:47:59,080
I thought of when Tether announced

787
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,040
their brains, their

788
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,100
open source brain chip a year ago

789
00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:05,260
in Plan B Lugano. And they were like,

790
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:06,900
they were like, well, because Elon

791
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:08,280
is coming with Neuralink,

792
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,080
you know, this was my call

793
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,020
to action of we need to have an

794
00:48:13,020 --> 00:48:15,180
open version of this. And it's like, bro, how about

795
00:48:15,180 --> 00:48:17,060
starting with the phone or like

796
00:48:17,060 --> 00:48:17,980
a printer that works?

797
00:48:17,980 --> 00:48:19,500
Like something

798
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:21,900
more foundational.

799
00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:23,740
It's too easy. Exactly.

800
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,980
It's too easy, except it feels

801
00:48:25,980 --> 00:48:32,140
very inaccessible to i mean to me without a lot of money and a lot of backing behind it

802
00:48:32,140 --> 00:48:37,020
and you're just sinking money to make that happen but i mean either way like i want to

803
00:48:37,020 --> 00:48:43,420
i want to keep supporting graphene um and i have a feeling that we'll all be deploying graphene

804
00:48:43,420 --> 00:48:52,540
uh years forward or to f droid and maybe only f droid unfortunately yeah okay so i used to be

805
00:48:52,540 --> 00:48:57,420
in this community called xda developers and that's where a lot of the these like custom um

806
00:48:58,060 --> 00:49:04,140
operating systems are developed for different phones and uh it was always a show like

807
00:49:05,020 --> 00:49:11,100
everybody basically built their own thing and uh there was very little like cross collaboration it

808
00:49:11,100 --> 00:49:16,620
was just like okay i'm gonna build my version of an operating system they would just take the oem

809
00:49:16,620 --> 00:49:21,980
operating system and they would customize it uh and they would try to like give you back your

810
00:49:21,980 --> 00:49:26,580
privacy, try to get rid of like some of the Panopticon that Google puts in there.

811
00:49:26,580 --> 00:49:30,980
But at the end of the day, it's like for all of these different operating systems, you

812
00:49:30,980 --> 00:49:35,500
had to install the Google apps package, which is basically the Google Play services.

813
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:43,820
And that's like the biggest challenge is as Android as Android is developed by Google,

814
00:49:44,020 --> 00:49:50,040
they they are increasingly integrating their Google Play services into the operating system.

815
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:58,160
And so graphing, what I love about graphing is they're, for the first time, I feel like they've actually tried to tackle this problem.

816
00:49:58,300 --> 00:50:12,680
Like, how do we rip Google Play services back out of the operating system or at least sandbox it so that, you know, you can run all of the apps that all the normies want to run, including me.

817
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:17,960
Like, I don't want to be ostracized from all the app store.

818
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:19,760
Like, I want to be able to run all these apps, too.

819
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,900
But they all heavily depend on Google Play services as well.

820
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,960
So how do you get the best of both worlds?

821
00:50:27,060 --> 00:50:34,940
How are you able to have a phone where you can keep your privacy, keep your sovereignty, but you can still use all these apps?

822
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:39,700
And Graphene is like really the only solution that I've been satisfied with.

823
00:50:40,540 --> 00:50:43,300
And I don't think that's something that's easy to replicate.

824
00:50:43,300 --> 00:50:52,000
so honestly like i would like to see i would like to see more operating systems that i can choose

825
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:57,200
from but there needs to be like some kernel where it's like all these operating systems are built

826
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:03,240
off of like the solid foundation that is just focused on uh sandboxing the google play services

827
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:08,700
because like that's the enemy that we need to defeat and uh but wasn't that the whole point

828
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:10,600
of Android though? Wasn't that

829
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,420
the whole point to have a Linux version

830
00:51:12,420 --> 00:51:14,220
for the mobile?

831
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:15,480
Wasn't that the whole point of it?

832
00:51:16,460 --> 00:51:18,000
For the point of Android?

833
00:51:18,220 --> 00:51:18,500
Yeah.

834
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,940
The point of Android was to rip off Steve Jobs.

835
00:51:25,940 --> 00:51:27,320
Yeah, they wanted to...

836
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,280
Linux is the best way to do it.

837
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,120
It's an out-of-the-box

838
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:34,680
operating system that is

839
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:35,680
just so good.

840
00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:37,980
You can run it on any kind of hardware.

841
00:51:37,980 --> 00:51:39,340
So that's what they went with.

842
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:45,600
But yeah, so over time, like Android's sort of become its own kind of thing.

843
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:51,280
And it works really well on mobile devices and tablets and all sorts of other stuff, too.

844
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,320
Like TVs, even TVs run Android.

845
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,360
Like there's a lot of devices that run Android.

846
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,580
And the only downside of that, it's like Android plus Google Play services.

847
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,660
It's like you need to rip that out if you want your privacy back.

848
00:52:06,660 --> 00:52:09,940
and Graphene's done a great job of it.

849
00:52:09,980 --> 00:52:11,760
And I wish they would just focus on that

850
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,980
and not try to break out onto other devices

851
00:52:14,980 --> 00:52:16,280
because that's like what,

852
00:52:16,420 --> 00:52:18,260
all these other custom operating systems,

853
00:52:18,380 --> 00:52:22,740
like what killed the project for any custom OS

854
00:52:22,740 --> 00:52:24,840
is that they would try to release on many devices

855
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,840
and then it became too much to deal with.

856
00:52:26,940 --> 00:52:28,740
And then the maintainers would just walk away.

857
00:52:29,100 --> 00:52:30,460
It's like, oh, I can't deal with this anymore.

858
00:52:31,100 --> 00:52:34,580
So I'd rather we just like focus on one device

859
00:52:34,580 --> 00:52:35,840
or one line of devices.

860
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:42,000
and like that's our beachhead and then we just fight for that and then and we make that uh as

861
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:47,860
strong as possible um so like because that's like the real concern it's like how do you take the

862
00:52:47,860 --> 00:52:55,300
phone back um and if you you i mean if you expand it to other devices i guess that's cool but uh i

863
00:52:55,300 --> 00:53:00,520
hope it's like they it's very it's very targeted like it's like okay we're doing the pixel line

864
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:05,420
of products and now we're going to do the Samsung line of products. And maybe that's it. Uh, and,

865
00:53:05,420 --> 00:53:10,340
and not try to like branch out to LG and just all these like other different hardware vendors.

866
00:53:10,900 --> 00:53:17,420
So, so I don't know. I don't know how I feel about this. I'm kind of like going either way.

867
00:53:17,420 --> 00:53:22,500
What do you think is the best miracle we can support?

868
00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:33,600
The happiest path to me would be that you sort of take the sandboxing of Google Play services

869
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:42,480
and you just make that a solid project on its own that other operating systems can build upon.

870
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:51,180
So it's like graphene is just a version of a kernel that sandboxes Google Play.

871
00:53:51,260 --> 00:53:54,840
Like you have like OEM Android with Google Play sandboxing.

872
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,320
And then that's it.

873
00:53:56,580 --> 00:53:58,880
And you just focus on making that super solid.

874
00:53:59,100 --> 00:54:00,860
And then you expand that out to other devices.

875
00:54:01,460 --> 00:54:06,980
And then if you want additional features and flavors of things, then you like build off of that foundation.

876
00:54:06,980 --> 00:54:09,360
because otherwise

877
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,460
Graphene is going to be the only

878
00:54:11,460 --> 00:54:13,820
version that actually does a good job

879
00:54:13,820 --> 00:54:15,800
of sandboxing

880
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,700
Google Play and then if they

881
00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:19,780
expand to a bunch of devices and they can't properly

882
00:54:19,780 --> 00:54:21,680
maintain them then everything is just going to go to shit

883
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,680
and then they'll just be like another

884
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,740
custom OS that gets abandoned eventually

885
00:54:25,740 --> 00:54:27,700
like XDA developers is a

886
00:54:27,700 --> 00:54:29,620
graveyard of custom operating systems

887
00:54:29,620 --> 00:54:31,740
that have been abandoned and I don't want Graphene to be

888
00:54:31,740 --> 00:54:32,240
one of them

889
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:37,080
Yeah, but at the end of the day, the real solution is just Linux probably in phones.

890
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,940
And then just something like whiteboards.

891
00:54:41,860 --> 00:54:45,160
You mean like running not Android, but like running Linux in general?

892
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:45,740
Yeah, probably.

893
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:51,460
Yeah, so there's like a project called Purism, where they're trying to run.

894
00:54:52,420 --> 00:54:52,860
Yeah.

895
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,100
Yeah, but the thing is, like, you don't have access to the App Store.

896
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:02,220
Or just like, the thing is, is like, there's so many developers that develop APKs.

897
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:07,280
let him talk oh like yeah you want to you want to talk

898
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:17,240
yeah talk about um purism or just like running apks in a vm because i i kind of know what you're

899
00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:23,900
talking about like you can run it's within a vm yeah so uh with android what you can do is sorry

900
00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:28,620
with linux what you can do is run something called waydroid which essentially emulates the

901
00:55:28,620 --> 00:55:33,060
entirety of an Android opening system within our Wayland display.

902
00:55:33,060 --> 00:55:34,060
What's the name of it?

903
00:55:35,060 --> 00:55:37,820
W-A-Y-D-R-O-I-D.

904
00:55:39,900 --> 00:55:41,100
WaylandDroid.

905
00:55:45,060 --> 00:55:52,420
Yeah, so it completely emulates an entire Android system inside your running Linux.

906
00:55:52,620 --> 00:55:56,820
And so you can run any APK that you can run on any Android phone.

907
00:55:56,820 --> 00:56:03,820
and you don't need Google, you don't need a whole system being powered by Google.

908
00:56:03,820 --> 00:56:07,820
You just need something based on Linux that can run your phone.

909
00:56:07,820 --> 00:56:11,820
And so there are a lot of projects trying to bring Linux to phones.

910
00:56:11,820 --> 00:56:13,820
The problem is that they're not funded.

911
00:56:13,820 --> 00:56:18,820
You know, GrapheneOS has a lot of developers, lots of people, lots of money.

912
00:56:18,820 --> 00:56:22,820
If those same projects are the same things, we'll be much further along.

913
00:56:22,820 --> 00:56:24,820
At least that's my opinion.

914
00:56:24,820 --> 00:56:26,480
That's cool. Thanks for sharing.

915
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:28,580
Grab a hat.

916
00:56:29,580 --> 00:56:30,720
Yeah, grab some merch.

917
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:32,580
So do you use

918
00:56:32,580 --> 00:56:33,680
Wadroid yourself?

919
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:35,220
I do, yeah.

920
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,440
How well does it work with apps that have Google Play

921
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:38,860
integration?

922
00:56:39,060 --> 00:56:39,540
Not at all.

923
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:40,360
Not at all.

924
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:40,840
Yeah.

925
00:56:47,980 --> 00:56:52,720
So you're showing us a Wadroid project.

926
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:55,060
basically having an interop

927
00:56:55,060 --> 00:56:57,160
talk in the mic, talk in the mic, Staggers can't hear you

928
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:57,580
sorry

929
00:56:57,580 --> 00:57:01,100
so that's a great

930
00:57:01,100 --> 00:57:02,980
solution that you presented but the problem with that

931
00:57:02,980 --> 00:57:03,880
your wife wants to see you

932
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:04,920
oh, Jana

933
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,960
say hi to your wife

934
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:07,660
hi Jana

935
00:57:07,660 --> 00:57:10,160
what's up? He's alive

936
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,220
I forgot what I was saying

937
00:57:13,220 --> 00:57:15,240
wait, okay, so that's

938
00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:17,200
a great solution but then you don't have the

939
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:18,880
interop around the Google Play services

940
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,520
which is what you were talking about Topher

941
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:26,280
right so that's that's a really good trade-off but then you're you're leaving a lot on the table

942
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:31,000
i have to think about like what what you're losing through not being able to interrupt with

943
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,980
with google play services but if you can sandbox it at the kernel level like you're saying then you

944
00:57:35,980 --> 00:57:41,880
can kind of have the interrupt but then still have like the the graphing as privacy guarantees

945
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:49,340
and uh and de-googling your phone is that is that correct sorry uh yeah that's correct but

946
00:57:49,340 --> 00:57:51,240
technically speaking, you could

947
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,680
run the Google

948
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,760
Play services inside Wadwight tool.

949
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:57,860
You just have to do a bunch of changes

950
00:57:57,860 --> 00:57:58,960
in how it's structured.

951
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:01,960
But you could have the same exact

952
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,300
thing as you do in Graphene OS.

953
00:58:03,380 --> 00:58:05,720
You could manually bridge the services

954
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:06,540
you needed, for example.

955
00:58:06,540 --> 00:58:07,540
I'm saying you could.

956
00:58:08,100 --> 00:58:09,320
On a technical level.

957
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,620
Yeah, I should clarify. Google Play services

958
00:58:13,620 --> 00:58:15,240
is actually an APK. It's

959
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:16,860
an application in and of itself.

960
00:58:16,860 --> 00:58:25,560
so you could run google play services in apk uh the problem is is that other apps use google play

961
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:32,000
services um even when like they shouldn't even when they don't really need to but then they just

962
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:37,880
do it and so they have google play services as a dependency and so google play services becomes

963
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:43,220
this trojan horse because if i have an app that uses google play services for something simple

964
00:58:43,220 --> 00:58:49,060
like maybe identity logging in or some they're doing some like little Bluetooth thing or like

965
00:58:49,060 --> 00:58:54,500
trying to figure out like a location location services then it's like okay I need Google Play

966
00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:59,940
services for my app to do this one thing but now Google Play services basically is surveilling

967
00:58:59,940 --> 00:59:06,120
everything else that's going on on my phone um it's it yeah so it's like how do you sandbox that

968
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:10,140
and how do you make that something that you can share with other projects this is what I'm waiting

969
00:59:10,140 --> 00:59:20,880
for right here. I'm waiting for this phone. It's just a Linux phone. Or we could just all go back

970
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:28,520
to flip phones. You know? Remember T9? Where you're like, T9, where you like type in, you start

971
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:34,280
typing in a word on the dial pad and it just automatically auto-completes. You get so fast

972
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:34,640
with that.

973
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:39,680
Blazing fast thumbs.

974
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:43,480
Yeah, what's this car?

975
00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:45,380
This is the Comet phone.

976
00:59:46,700 --> 00:59:48,860
This is the Linux phone, the Mecca.

977
00:59:48,900 --> 00:59:49,880
I think it's called the Mecca one.

978
00:59:49,980 --> 00:59:51,440
We talked about this earlier this year,

979
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,820
but this is just like a modular phone that runs Linux.

980
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,260
We brought this up earlier this year at Stacker News Live,

981
00:59:58,260 --> 01:00:02,260
but I think it's either going to...

982
01:00:02,260 --> 01:00:02,660
I don't know.

983
01:00:02,660 --> 01:00:08,520
I either see it, I either see all this just kind of passing because phones die and then we just go on to the next thing.

984
01:00:09,460 --> 01:00:12,200
Or I see us just going and reverting back to Linux.

985
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:14,680
Yeah, I don't know.

986
01:00:15,100 --> 01:00:15,440
I don't know.

987
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:16,060
You have any thoughts?

988
01:00:16,860 --> 01:00:18,540
No, I think we've had a lot of thoughts.

989
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:19,640
Okay.

990
01:00:20,020 --> 01:00:20,820
Keon's ready to move on.

991
01:00:21,300 --> 01:00:21,560
All right.

992
01:00:21,580 --> 01:00:26,140
Let's go on to the next, the next one we have here is, oh yeah.

993
01:00:26,140 --> 01:00:27,400
So this was another big one, Keon.

994
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:33,880
um light spark acquires striga a leap forward for open compliant payments on btc i don't know

995
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:38,020
if you guys saw this but uh light spark bought striga kian you have any thoughts on this

996
01:00:38,020 --> 01:00:45,360
no i only glanced at this i don't i don't really understand what it entails i think maybe striga

997
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:51,380
has a bunch of compliance experience internationally or something and light spark by acquiring them

998
01:00:51,380 --> 01:00:56,080
gets that expertise and then of course all the licenses they've acquired which tend to take a

999
01:00:56,080 --> 01:01:03,020
lot of time. So as far as I understand, that's mostly what they're doing. I think the plays that

1000
01:01:03,020 --> 01:01:09,760
we see LightSmart making are them trying to become a financial services company that has

1001
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:18,800
Bitcoin sort of disappeared into it. And yeah, this is a step in that direction as far as I can tell.

1002
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:20,720
Yeah.

1003
01:01:22,980 --> 01:01:39,690
I don get what was the point of them acquiring Striga I think it just more They the licensing basically EU licensing Oh so this company already had licenses for like many transmission or

1004
01:01:39,690 --> 01:01:45,070
They bought a regulatory mode. Oh they bought a regulatory mode. Nice.

1005
01:01:45,070 --> 01:01:53,530
In Europe a bunch of cards even

1006
01:01:53,530 --> 01:01:58,270
Bitcoin rated ones like wave space and a few part of that

1007
01:01:58,270 --> 01:02:03,490
they use three guard to actually provide the credit card and IBAN and all of that stuff

1008
01:02:03,490 --> 01:02:09,610
oh so are they so are they looking to integrate are they looking to integrate into credit card

1009
01:02:09,610 --> 01:02:11,490
terminals? I guess so.

1010
01:02:11,630 --> 01:02:12,610
I mean, Striga does already.

1011
01:02:13,150 --> 01:02:15,390
Okay, so Striga does credit card

1012
01:02:15,390 --> 01:02:17,130
processing. Oh, that's cool.

1013
01:02:18,850 --> 01:02:19,290
Nice.

1014
01:02:22,010 --> 01:02:23,650
I just thought it was fascinating.

1015
01:02:23,770 --> 01:02:25,330
It was the biggest story this week.

1016
01:02:26,410 --> 01:02:27,590
And yeah,

1017
01:02:27,630 --> 01:02:29,530
I just think it's just them catching up

1018
01:02:29,530 --> 01:02:31,750
to a lot of other Bitcoin companies in the space

1019
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:33,610
that have a lot of these licenses

1020
01:02:33,610 --> 01:02:35,490
already. So yeah,

1021
01:02:35,490 --> 01:02:36,390
like you said,

1022
01:02:36,730 --> 01:02:38,490
they're not playing.

1023
01:02:39,610 --> 01:02:41,730
Anyways, that was the other story.

1024
01:02:41,830 --> 01:02:43,530
And then we're going to jump into Keon's top stories.

1025
01:02:44,610 --> 01:02:47,150
I found a business that accepts Bitcoin in Venezuela.

1026
01:02:47,930 --> 01:02:48,570
Keon, what's this?

1027
01:02:49,930 --> 01:02:51,530
Yeah, B57.

1028
01:02:52,790 --> 01:02:55,010
Used to live in Venezuela, moved to Peru,

1029
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:59,190
then has recently come back to Venezuela, I think, to be with family.

1030
01:02:59,190 --> 01:03:04,150
But they've been trying to find a business that accepts Bitcoin in Venezuela.

1031
01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:10,650
We've had it. We've also Malice 10 photographs Venezuela and shares it on Stacker News frequently.

1032
01:03:10,790 --> 01:03:14,310
They also went through this process of trying to find somewhere in Venezuela that accepted Bitcoin.

1033
01:03:14,890 --> 01:03:18,090
He failed. He only found places that accept Tether.

1034
01:03:19,070 --> 01:03:28,190
But B57 managed to find a nationwide towing service that operates 24-7 that accepts Bitcoin in addition to other cryptocurrencies, which is not uncommon.

1035
01:03:28,910 --> 01:03:30,750
But at least they accept Bitcoin.

1036
01:03:30,750 --> 01:03:38,550
and yeah so that's their first discovery of finding finding somewhere they can spend bitcoin

1037
01:03:38,550 --> 01:03:46,130
in in venezuela and i thought that was that was cool because we all expected or we all hoped that

1038
01:03:46,130 --> 01:03:51,970
there would be more places that valued bitcoin and wanted to receive it for services so what's

1039
01:03:51,970 --> 01:03:57,210
what's the story behind them except i don't know i don't know if she i don't know if she's talked

1040
01:03:57,210 --> 01:04:03,230
to them yet um it doesn't seem like it it seems like they i don't even know if they've used them

1041
01:04:03,230 --> 01:04:09,330
yet you know because you don't really use towing on a regular basis so uh with fingers crossed she

1042
01:04:09,330 --> 01:04:15,230
get her car breaks down and she can get a towing service or she can find someone on the not really

1043
01:04:15,230 --> 01:04:20,450
but she can find someone on the maybe a side of a street help them use them and pay with that one

1044
01:04:20,450 --> 01:04:24,270
i don't know i don't know how you'd actually use it without having a problem where you need a towing

1045
01:04:24,270 --> 01:04:26,410
service. I like the name

1046
01:04:26,410 --> 01:04:28,270
Crypto

1047
01:04:28,270 --> 01:04:29,130
Monedas.

1048
01:04:29,570 --> 01:04:34,390
And it's a

1049
01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:36,030
Bitcoin logo, so I'm guessing

1050
01:04:36,030 --> 01:04:37,530
this guy is a Bitcoin Maxi.

1051
01:04:38,750 --> 01:04:39,890
Is that cashier? Oh, okay.

1052
01:04:40,550 --> 01:04:42,190
That's cool. Also

1053
01:04:42,190 --> 01:04:44,130
takes Zelle. Dollars to

1054
01:04:44,130 --> 01:04:45,610
Euros in Efectivo.

1055
01:04:47,030 --> 01:04:48,150
So it looks

1056
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:50,010
like they just want to be able to

1057
01:04:50,010 --> 01:04:52,050
accept anything, really.

1058
01:04:52,050 --> 01:04:59,970
um so if you're a tourist and you get stranded somehow maybe you rent a car and it breaks down

1059
01:04:59,970 --> 01:05:05,710
i don't know like how i guess either this guy's like a bitcoin maxi and so you that's why he's

1060
01:05:05,710 --> 01:05:13,090
this is how it starts you accept everything and then after time passes bitcoin only yeah

1061
01:05:13,090 --> 01:05:27,030
No, it'd be cool to hear this guy's story and how much, maybe not how much Bitcoin he has specifically, but what is the strategy with accepting Bitcoin?

1062
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:29,550
The strategy is this, Topher.

1063
01:05:30,230 --> 01:05:31,290
That's the strategy.

1064
01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:33,030
It's going to eat everything.

1065
01:05:35,130 --> 01:05:36,730
That's the strategy right there.

1066
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:37,870
Bitcoin.

1067
01:05:38,610 --> 01:05:39,450
It's eating everything.

1068
01:05:40,690 --> 01:05:41,430
Anybody disagree?

1069
01:05:41,430 --> 01:05:43,070
Not in this room.

1070
01:05:43,090 --> 01:05:46,110
drive chains

1071
01:05:46,110 --> 01:05:47,290
drive chains maybe

1072
01:05:47,290 --> 01:05:48,510
second best

1073
01:05:48,510 --> 01:05:51,070
third, fourth, maybe somewhere around there

1074
01:05:51,070 --> 01:05:53,590
the last story

1075
01:05:53,590 --> 01:05:54,510
what is that picture?

1076
01:05:54,510 --> 01:05:55,070
that's weird

1077
01:05:55,070 --> 01:05:58,790
the last story we have is now you can BISC on mobile

1078
01:05:58,790 --> 01:06:00,790
any of you BISC users out there?

1079
01:06:01,670 --> 01:06:02,090
BISCing?

1080
01:06:02,290 --> 01:06:03,230
y'all BISCing out there?

1081
01:06:03,710 --> 01:06:04,270
I see you

1082
01:06:04,270 --> 01:06:06,110
I see you over there

1083
01:06:06,110 --> 01:06:07,710
BISCing in the corner

1084
01:06:07,710 --> 01:06:09,570
doing all sorts of BISCing

1085
01:06:09,570 --> 01:06:11,650
see you over there BISCing

1086
01:06:11,650 --> 01:06:20,830
bisking it up uh keon i've never heard of bisk but you have what's this uh yeah so bisk is a

1087
01:06:20,830 --> 01:06:28,250
decentralized exchange um and they recently is it easy yeah last year they came out with bisk 2

1088
01:06:28,250 --> 01:06:34,470
and they have a a new trade protocol as part of bisk 2 called bisk easy where you don't have to

1089
01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:41,010
put up a fidelity bond um in a trade and they released uh they recently released this mobile

1090
01:06:41,010 --> 01:06:48,170
app, which should make BISC easy, a mobile app specifically for BISC easy, should make

1091
01:06:48,170 --> 01:06:49,850
BISC easy much more accessible to people.

1092
01:06:50,990 --> 01:06:55,450
Because that was kind of what I think a lot of the feedback they got as they've developed

1093
01:06:55,450 --> 01:06:57,830
BISC is that it's quite hard to use.

1094
01:06:58,370 --> 01:07:03,030
And so they developed this trade protocol BISC easy to make it easier, where you can

1095
01:07:03,030 --> 01:07:09,150
just kind of come without any money at all and begin trading with highly reputable trade

1096
01:07:09,150 --> 01:07:09,510
partners.

1097
01:07:11,010 --> 01:07:14,730
And yeah, and now it's in a mobile app and that's good.

1098
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:19,130
And I just wanted to share that because I feel like people don't watch this stuff very often.

1099
01:07:19,230 --> 01:07:23,530
They're all happy and they're KYC stuff under Trump right now.

1100
01:07:26,210 --> 01:07:29,150
Topher, are you going to try out the new BISC?

1101
01:07:29,350 --> 01:07:33,290
I even noticed here they have a manual APK, which is crazy.

1102
01:07:33,410 --> 01:07:36,390
And then you can also verify directly.

1103
01:07:37,230 --> 01:07:39,390
So really interesting stuff.

1104
01:07:41,010 --> 01:07:46,930
you're gonna check it out or did you install it already yeah i downloaded it oh wow installed it um

1105
01:07:48,370 --> 01:07:53,570
and it looks pretty cool for a mobile app i mean it's definitely better than the uh

1106
01:07:53,570 --> 01:07:58,130
the desktop of the camera well yeah so this is where's the camera

1107
01:07:59,810 --> 01:08:04,770
so right now it's it's trying to connect me to peers i keep uh getting kicked off the network

1108
01:08:04,770 --> 01:08:10,130
i don't know why uh oh no i have to create a new profile i already went through this step

1109
01:08:10,130 --> 01:08:11,190
Now I have to do it again.

1110
01:08:11,590 --> 01:08:14,470
I'll just call myself a stacker.

1111
01:08:17,750 --> 01:08:18,190
Next.

1112
01:08:21,450 --> 01:08:24,390
So it's had over 1,000 downloads in three days.

1113
01:08:25,150 --> 01:08:26,330
And then getting started.

1114
01:08:26,470 --> 01:08:27,690
Okay, so I have seven peers.

1115
01:08:27,850 --> 01:08:28,630
Shows me the price.

1116
01:08:29,330 --> 01:08:30,330
Oh, we're at 108.

1117
01:08:31,650 --> 01:08:32,990
Is that the price? 108?

1118
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:34,310
How?

1119
01:08:35,210 --> 01:08:37,250
Or are they baking in a spread?

1120
01:08:40,130 --> 01:08:48,650
so no it looks pretty cool you can look at offers they uh oh zero offers for anything

1121
01:08:48,650 --> 01:08:54,030
oh wait wait there's some offers down here oh the us dollar okay oh they're coming they're

1122
01:08:54,030 --> 01:08:59,570
streaming in yeah because it's a decentralized marketplace so it's like you it takes a while

1123
01:08:59,570 --> 01:09:08,590
for the offers to populate you can still do amazon cards and gift cards still uh i can do search i

1124
01:09:08,590 --> 01:09:11,190
I mean, all I see is just like national currencies.

1125
01:09:12,130 --> 01:09:15,930
So no, I don't see gift cards.

1126
01:09:17,790 --> 01:09:22,310
So it's just offers to buy and sell Bitcoin for a currency.

1127
01:09:23,230 --> 01:09:25,090
And then you can look at your trades.

1128
01:09:27,090 --> 01:09:28,510
Then what else can you do?

1129
01:09:29,310 --> 01:09:31,350
Payment accounts, reputation.

1130
01:09:31,730 --> 01:09:33,470
Okay, so like the standard BISC stuff.

1131
01:09:34,210 --> 01:09:34,670
That's cool.

1132
01:09:35,550 --> 01:09:36,190
I like it.

1133
01:09:36,190 --> 01:09:38,530
It seems like a nicer interface than the desktop version.

1134
01:09:38,590 --> 01:09:44,950
uh only thing is this probably murders your battery because it has to uh keep a tor connection

1135
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:50,870
alive in the background so yeah keep that in mind but uh yeah i'm gonna try it out

1136
01:09:51,450 --> 01:10:01,090
do you have anything else really cool stuff from bisque got released this week um i think i think

1137
01:10:01,090 --> 01:10:06,370
that's all the posts that we have this week um just some meadow so we're here at tab comp just

1138
01:10:06,370 --> 01:10:08,590
real quick. If you guys haven't grabbed

1139
01:10:08,590 --> 01:10:10,550
a shirt or a hat,

1140
01:10:10,710 --> 01:10:11,650
make sure to grab one.

1141
01:10:12,930 --> 01:10:14,170
We have some hats.

1142
01:10:14,510 --> 01:10:16,450
We also have this amazing

1143
01:10:16,450 --> 01:10:18,430
DVD. You guys seen this?

1144
01:10:18,910 --> 01:10:19,510
Look at this.

1145
01:10:20,270 --> 01:10:21,510
Limited edition

1146
01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:23,530
Stacker News Live DVD.

1147
01:10:24,230 --> 01:10:24,670
Uncensored.

1148
01:10:25,330 --> 01:10:27,170
They bought a DVD. Look at that.

1149
01:10:27,290 --> 01:10:28,190
Look how proud he is.

1150
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:30,170
He's wearing it on him.

1151
01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:34,030
Something you can pass down to your children.

1152
01:10:34,030 --> 01:10:34,810
That's what Topher said.

1153
01:10:36,370 --> 01:10:44,370
But yeah, what do you think so far of the Stacker News Live or Stacker News table and everything that you guys have been doing this week at Tapcom?

1154
01:10:44,490 --> 01:10:44,690
Keon?

1155
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:46,870
I thought it was great.

1156
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:48,930
I thought it was great to meet lots of stackers.

1157
01:10:49,010 --> 01:10:50,270
I'm glad Boog put it together.

1158
01:10:50,490 --> 01:11:00,510
Boog was the one who suggested we do the table or forced us to have a table and set it up and made sure we were here.

1159
01:11:00,790 --> 01:11:03,870
And yeah, I'm really grateful to Boog for that.

1160
01:11:03,870 --> 01:11:07,010
yeah I'd like to get rid of more hats

1161
01:11:07,010 --> 01:11:09,070
so I don't have to travel

1162
01:11:09,070 --> 01:11:10,750
back with them so if anyone would like a

1163
01:11:10,750 --> 01:11:12,870
Saccharine's hat before they leave

1164
01:11:12,870 --> 01:11:14,910
I will gladly

1165
01:11:14,910 --> 01:11:16,450
give you one

1166
01:11:16,450 --> 01:11:18,050
no purchase required

1167
01:11:18,050 --> 01:11:20,810
but that's

1168
01:11:20,810 --> 01:11:23,130
yeah otherwise I'm pretty stoked

1169
01:11:23,130 --> 01:11:25,050
where's the

1170
01:11:25,050 --> 01:11:26,890
hat level at in your office

1171
01:11:26,890 --> 01:11:28,930
because like half of your I don't know if people

1172
01:11:28,930 --> 01:11:30,930
know this but half of Keon's office is just

1173
01:11:30,930 --> 01:11:31,350
hats

1174
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:38,330
pretty much a significant portion of it was hats actually i have i call them bushels of hats

1175
01:11:38,330 --> 01:11:45,590
i have i only have i think i have like four bushels left and it's like a bushel is a technical term

1176
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:52,910
for a plastic bag filled with like 12 hats i think so i have i have i have four bushels that's

1177
01:11:52,910 --> 01:12:01,070
like what 48 yeah have you tried to wear all of them at once uh no i've not worn a bushel at a

1178
01:12:01,070 --> 01:12:06,750
time, but you know, there's enough time on, I'll have enough time on earth to do many things that

1179
01:12:06,750 --> 01:12:12,050
I haven't done yet. It's a very popular thing to do in Mexico. Oh, wear more than one hat in Mexico.

1180
01:12:12,350 --> 01:12:17,710
Where did you get the cowboy hat? Where'd you get this hat from? Yeah. So in, in Mexico,

1181
01:12:17,710 --> 01:12:24,030
they have these hat vendors and they just wear their inventory on their head. And so if you want

1182
01:12:24,030 --> 01:12:28,090
to buy a hat and then they just have this like stack of 20 hats that, that they take off and

1183
01:12:28,090 --> 01:12:31,030
And then you go through the hats, you buy one or two or whatever.

1184
01:12:31,450 --> 01:12:33,310
And then they just put it all back on their head and walk around.

1185
01:12:34,510 --> 01:12:35,670
It's like you could do that.

1186
01:12:36,210 --> 01:12:39,070
Just walk around with like 20 Stacker News hats on your head.

1187
01:12:39,230 --> 01:12:40,170
I'm trying to sell them.

1188
01:12:42,410 --> 01:12:44,570
Yeah, so Scoresby made these cowboy hats.

1189
01:12:45,190 --> 01:12:46,430
He bought them.

1190
01:12:46,430 --> 01:12:52,430
They're for stackers who have maintained a cowboy hat for a year or more on Stacker News.

1191
01:12:52,610 --> 01:12:54,530
There's only 12 of them now.

1192
01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:56,730
Yeah, that's really cool.

1193
01:12:56,730 --> 01:13:02,110
Yeah, and he like, these are made, I think most cowboy hats are made out of beer.

1194
01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:04,050
This is like beaver fur.

1195
01:13:04,490 --> 01:13:06,610
And then he burned it with a wood burner.

1196
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:08,570
Wait, the logo on it?

1197
01:13:08,810 --> 01:13:09,510
Oh, wow.

1198
01:13:09,630 --> 01:13:10,870
He did it like by hand.

1199
01:13:11,010 --> 01:13:11,430
Dang.

1200
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:15,230
Yeah, real, real, real craftsmanship.

1201
01:13:16,250 --> 01:13:16,470
Yeah.

1202
01:13:17,070 --> 01:13:17,550
Yeah.

1203
01:13:17,750 --> 01:13:20,370
There's also some chips and salsa that scores we brought over.

1204
01:13:20,790 --> 01:13:22,030
I tried the middle one.

1205
01:13:22,030 --> 01:13:24,110
It's kind of spicy, but

1206
01:13:24,110 --> 01:13:26,250
the potato's really not that

1207
01:13:26,250 --> 01:13:26,890
spicy salsa.

1208
01:13:27,950 --> 01:13:29,310
Did you try the salsa?

1209
01:13:30,310 --> 01:13:31,710
Just making sure.

1210
01:13:32,110 --> 01:13:33,870
You guys are interested in some salsa?

1211
01:13:34,990 --> 01:13:36,170
That's the salsa table?

1212
01:13:41,970 --> 01:13:43,290
Whoa, what is that picture?

1213
01:13:43,850 --> 01:13:45,610
That about covers it.

1214
01:13:47,170 --> 01:13:48,090
We had a couple

1215
01:13:48,090 --> 01:13:50,110
of comments this week. One of them

1216
01:13:50,110 --> 01:13:52,010
was from the guy sitting in the chair over there.

1217
01:13:52,030 --> 01:13:53,690
He said, what did you say?

1218
01:13:54,270 --> 01:13:55,110
Stay in your lane.

1219
01:13:55,290 --> 01:13:56,690
Oh, you heard it here first.

1220
01:13:56,770 --> 01:13:57,350
He said it.

1221
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:58,570
He said stay in your lane.

1222
01:13:58,570 --> 01:14:00,070
Have we recorded him saying it?

1223
01:14:00,170 --> 01:14:00,870
I don't think we ever.

1224
01:14:00,950 --> 01:14:04,290
Can we get you to come to the mic and just say it one more time for the stackers?

1225
01:14:04,810 --> 01:14:11,750
So every week, this guy goes in our comments, and he repeatedly says this all the time.

1226
01:14:12,270 --> 01:14:15,150
So, just one time for the stackers.

1227
01:14:15,150 --> 01:14:15,870
Just tell us.

1228
01:14:15,990 --> 01:14:21,190
Tell Carr and Keon to stay in your lane.

1229
01:14:22,030 --> 01:14:23,310
Oh, that feels so good.

1230
01:14:24,650 --> 01:14:25,930
I'm trying every time.

1231
01:14:26,430 --> 01:14:27,250
It's just really hard.

1232
01:14:27,450 --> 01:14:28,710
Is that where that came from?

1233
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:32,750
I don't know if people know this, but in the office,

1234
01:14:33,050 --> 01:14:34,790
like, Carr uses that phrase

1235
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:36,270
all the time.

1236
01:14:36,910 --> 01:14:38,190
It's like, you know,

1237
01:14:38,370 --> 01:14:40,490
I'm just trying to stay in my lane.

1238
01:14:42,110 --> 01:14:43,150
It's how he ends

1239
01:14:43,150 --> 01:14:44,030
every conversation.

1240
01:14:44,430 --> 01:14:45,430
I'm just trying to stay in my lane.

1241
01:14:48,430 --> 01:14:51,890
I want to give a special shout out to Tidwell.

1242
01:14:52,030 --> 01:14:56,950
Brianna and Brandon for giving us this table and D plus plus for allowing us

1243
01:14:56,950 --> 01:15:00,070
to steal her area for a little bit while we do second use live.

1244
01:15:00,490 --> 01:15:00,830
Uh,

1245
01:15:00,830 --> 01:15:01,150
real quick,

1246
01:15:01,170 --> 01:15:02,710
we're going to do the top Cowboys.

1247
01:15:03,410 --> 01:15:03,850
Cowboys,

1248
01:15:03,970 --> 01:15:04,350
baby.

1249
01:15:05,570 --> 01:15:06,090
Um,

1250
01:15:06,090 --> 01:15:06,650
where are we at?

1251
01:15:06,730 --> 01:15:07,610
Top Cowboys.

1252
01:15:08,610 --> 01:15:08,950
Keon,

1253
01:15:09,090 --> 01:15:09,730
top Cowboys.

1254
01:15:09,910 --> 01:15:10,510
Get you on up.

1255
01:15:11,150 --> 01:15:11,690
You know,

1256
01:15:11,710 --> 01:15:13,330
they've had many changes this week.

1257
01:15:13,510 --> 01:15:13,910
Uh,

1258
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:18,130
one of the most exciting parts of the segment is that it practically never

1259
01:15:18,130 --> 01:15:18,670
changes.

1260
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:19,350
Uh,

1261
01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:21,550
because it requires

1262
01:15:21,550 --> 01:15:23,510
most people at the top of the list requires them

1263
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:25,090
doing this for a long time and so

1264
01:15:25,090 --> 01:15:27,050
it doesn't really change. So all 12

1265
01:15:27,050 --> 01:15:28,670
got hats?

1266
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:30,870
All 12 will get hats and they're all over.

1267
01:15:31,370 --> 01:15:33,150
Yeah, so we gotta

1268
01:15:33,150 --> 01:15:35,310
get undistled. You get a hat.

1269
01:15:35,370 --> 01:15:37,210
Boogor has their hat because they were here

1270
01:15:37,210 --> 01:15:39,410
so we gave, he was the first recipient

1271
01:15:39,410 --> 01:15:41,450
of the hat. Bray Ruby will get one.

1272
01:15:41,590 --> 01:15:43,550
Coins reporter. We gotta ship that off to India.

1273
01:15:44,210 --> 01:15:45,070
Optimism gets a hat?

1274
01:15:45,410 --> 01:15:46,850
Optimism, I guess, yeah.

1275
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:48,790
I don't know if Optimism has a year yet.

1276
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:52,470
Uh, let's see. What do they got? Wow. Oh no, they're about half a year,

1277
01:15:52,710 --> 01:15:55,670
but there are other people who had a year who lost it. Wow.

1278
01:15:56,090 --> 01:16:00,850
So we'll get them a hat. Dang. Yeah. Ben Carmen. You should have had a hat, bro.

1279
01:16:01,150 --> 01:16:03,990
He didn't get to a year. That's all I'm saying. You could have had one.

1280
01:16:04,730 --> 01:16:09,830
Could have had one. Uh, pretty crazy stuff. Keyon, what are you doing this weekend?

1281
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:15,990
Um, probably not. Maybe trying to catch up on work that I missed while I was here.

1282
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:18,570
things that I didn't do for those here.

1283
01:16:19,710 --> 01:16:20,870
I'll probably

1284
01:16:20,870 --> 01:16:22,910
be alone

1285
01:16:22,910 --> 01:16:23,990
at my computer

1286
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:26,530
as I like it.

1287
01:16:26,990 --> 01:16:29,250
Which is my kind of fun.

1288
01:16:29,910 --> 01:16:31,390
I'm staying in my lane.

1289
01:16:31,550 --> 01:16:32,890
Staying in my office.

1290
01:16:33,530 --> 01:16:35,690
Staying, yeah, how I stay.

1291
01:16:37,190 --> 01:16:39,110
I feel like TabConf is like your

1292
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:39,790
Groundhog Day.

1293
01:16:41,090 --> 01:16:42,290
This is when you come out

1294
01:16:42,290 --> 01:16:45,230
and then you look for your shadow.

1295
01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:49,710
And then once this is all over, you just go back into your office for another year.

1296
01:16:49,990 --> 01:16:50,210
Yeah.

1297
01:16:51,210 --> 01:16:52,310
That'll be how it'll work.

1298
01:16:54,770 --> 01:16:55,550
What are you doing?

1299
01:16:56,090 --> 01:16:57,530
I'm catching up on work, too.

1300
01:16:58,330 --> 01:17:01,990
Because we had the whole week in Mexico and then doing Tab.

1301
01:17:02,030 --> 01:17:04,090
You also fell in love in Mexico.

1302
01:17:04,570 --> 01:17:05,950
Oh, we don't have to talk about that.

1303
01:17:07,090 --> 01:17:08,030
You kiss and tell?

1304
01:17:09,930 --> 01:17:11,690
Not when a camera's staring me in the face.

1305
01:17:13,370 --> 01:17:15,890
Yeah, so I'm probably just going to catch up on work, too.

1306
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:18,870
just like a solid weekend

1307
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:20,550
in solitary confinement

1308
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:22,770
me and a laptop

1309
01:17:22,770 --> 01:17:24,950
yeah

1310
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:27,010
there's the only woman I need

1311
01:17:27,010 --> 01:17:32,450
yeah I'm going to be in the lab this weekend

1312
01:17:32,450 --> 01:17:33,850
so I'm just going to be working on Saturday

1313
01:17:33,850 --> 01:17:36,810
I probably won't come in tomorrow because I have to travel

1314
01:17:36,810 --> 01:17:40,870
yeah we'll be together this weekend probably

1315
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:43,050
but we're going to be doing

1316
01:17:43,050 --> 01:17:43,850
Hack and Tell

1317
01:17:43,850 --> 01:17:46,810
here on the main stage

1318
01:17:46,810 --> 01:17:48,830
at 3.30

1319
01:17:48,830 --> 01:17:50,790
in 30 minutes. Any of you guys have projects

1320
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:51,650
you want to show off?

1321
01:17:52,910 --> 01:17:54,950
Oh, you do, Pleb Devs. Do you have a project

1322
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:57,030
you want to show off? Or is it the same project?

1323
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:58,550
So no.

1324
01:17:58,890 --> 01:18:00,870
Okay, so we have two projects. Anybody

1325
01:18:00,870 --> 01:18:02,870
else? There's no

1326
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:03,330
sign-up sheet.

1327
01:18:04,290 --> 01:18:07,050
So three projects we have to show

1328
01:18:07,050 --> 01:18:09,010
off. Yeah, we're going to be doing

1329
01:18:09,010 --> 01:18:10,590
that here in 30 minutes.

1330
01:18:10,790 --> 01:18:13,010
And then after that, I want to

1331
01:18:13,010 --> 01:18:14,410
check out this IMAX theater

1332
01:18:14,410 --> 01:18:16,890
that's here in Atlanta. It's a really

1333
01:18:16,890 --> 01:18:19,150
big IMAX theater. I want to go watch

1334
01:18:19,150 --> 01:18:20,570
that new Tron movie.

1335
01:18:21,450 --> 01:18:22,970
Not Justin's son shitcoin.

1336
01:18:23,330 --> 01:18:24,350
The actual

1337
01:18:24,350 --> 01:18:26,770
beautiful movie.

1338
01:18:27,570 --> 01:18:29,370
I want to see what that looks like in IMAX.

1339
01:18:30,650 --> 01:18:30,890
Yeah.

1340
01:18:31,010 --> 01:18:31,990
What do you guys think about that?

1341
01:18:32,830 --> 01:18:34,510
I almost saw that movie in Mexico.

1342
01:18:34,970 --> 01:18:36,930
You almost saw it in Mexico? Yeah, because it's

1343
01:18:36,930 --> 01:18:39,110
the only movie that you can see in Mexico

1344
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:40,390
that is not a horror movie.

1345
01:18:40,390 --> 01:18:45,570
Dude, apparently the soundtrack is with Nine Inch Nails,

1346
01:18:46,250 --> 01:18:52,390
and everybody who's seen it says it's the best music video slash movie,

1347
01:18:53,190 --> 01:18:53,990
but the movie sucks.

1348
01:18:54,210 --> 01:18:59,150
But go for the music and find the biggest screen type of thing.

1349
01:18:59,430 --> 01:18:59,570
Yeah.

1350
01:19:00,210 --> 01:19:02,270
So I'll write a review on Secondary's and post it later.

1351
01:19:02,750 --> 01:19:04,590
That's like the MO for Tron movies.

1352
01:19:04,810 --> 01:19:07,250
It's like shitty movie, great soundtrack.

1353
01:19:07,330 --> 01:19:07,990
Yeah, great soundtrack.

1354
01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:08,330
Yeah.

1355
01:19:08,330 --> 01:19:10,590
So that's all I'm going to do this weekend.

1356
01:19:11,690 --> 01:19:12,130
Cool.

1357
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:14,430
Oh, snap.

1358
01:19:15,190 --> 01:19:16,810
I scrolled down and look what I saw.

1359
01:19:17,230 --> 01:19:19,250
So it looks like Darth Coyne posted his finger.

1360
01:19:20,930 --> 01:19:21,790
Where is it at?

1361
01:19:22,750 --> 01:19:25,470
In regards to my question about my finger, my finger is fine now.

1362
01:19:25,570 --> 01:19:27,690
The repair operation went really nice.

1363
01:19:28,250 --> 01:19:30,470
Using the nail to cover the missing part of my finger.

1364
01:19:30,550 --> 01:19:31,390
That's what it looked like.

1365
01:19:31,870 --> 01:19:32,490
Can you see that?

1366
01:19:32,990 --> 01:19:34,550
You guys can't see that because of the thing.

1367
01:19:34,970 --> 01:19:36,430
But it looks pretty bad.

1368
01:19:36,430 --> 01:19:42,190
and then this is just what it looks like now oh yeah he'll be really fast

1369
01:19:42,190 --> 01:19:51,770
you happy i'm happy yeah so it didn't grow all the way back it it's just a little bit shorter

1370
01:19:51,770 --> 01:19:58,770
but he still has the nail where i don't know but it's on the tip wait so the nail is bent in there

1371
01:19:58,770 --> 01:20:06,110
i guess so when he bites his nails it's like biting in the front that could be fun yeah that's

1372
01:20:06,110 --> 01:20:08,330
a little weird. Oh, he said it in regards.

1373
01:20:08,490 --> 01:20:09,330
Read that right there. It's over.

1374
01:20:10,930 --> 01:20:11,050
Where?

1375
01:20:13,010 --> 01:20:13,410
Yeah.

1376
01:20:13,790 --> 01:20:16,250
One of my biggest concerns, because I still don't know where

1377
01:20:16,250 --> 01:20:18,130
and how he'll build

1378
01:20:18,130 --> 01:20:18,570
the toilet.

1379
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:22,170
Whoa. Okay. So it's done in a special

1380
01:20:22,170 --> 01:20:22,710
place.

1381
01:20:24,570 --> 01:20:24,970
Okay.

1382
01:20:27,110 --> 01:20:27,810
That's cool.

1383
01:20:29,190 --> 01:20:30,170
Does he have a name for

1384
01:20:30,170 --> 01:20:32,090
the special place? He says he's going to call it shit

1385
01:20:32,090 --> 01:20:33,930
coiners. Is it like Turd Mountain?

1386
01:20:34,430 --> 01:20:35,150
Turd Rock?

1387
01:20:35,150 --> 01:20:36,230
it's funny

1388
01:20:36,230 --> 01:20:40,210
oh that's cool he lives in a beautiful area

1389
01:20:40,210 --> 01:20:48,710
and lots of uh lots of trees so darth coin's doing it right

1390
01:20:48,710 --> 01:20:53,650
do you have uh any uh ideas of where you're gonna build your citadel car

1391
01:20:53,650 --> 01:21:01,590
no no maybe texas somewhere yeah yeah i'm not gonna build a citadel you're not gonna build a

1392
01:21:01,590 --> 01:21:03,770
Citadel? Yeah. The world

1393
01:21:03,770 --> 01:21:04,650
is going to become a Citadel.

1394
01:21:05,210 --> 01:21:06,710
The world's going to become a Citadel.

1395
01:21:08,250 --> 01:21:08,570
Like

1396
01:21:08,570 --> 01:21:11,690
a 15 minute city kind of thing?

1397
01:21:11,870 --> 01:21:13,250
Like we're all just stuck in a...

1398
01:21:13,250 --> 01:21:15,310
No, I think most of the world will be

1399
01:21:15,310 --> 01:21:17,450
fine. I don't need a Citadel.

1400
01:21:18,570 --> 01:21:19,770
So you'll just go hang out

1401
01:21:19,770 --> 01:21:20,750
in somebody else's Citadel?

1402
01:21:21,190 --> 01:21:21,630
Yeah, probably.

1403
01:21:23,550 --> 01:21:25,370
Yeah, most of you guys will be rich.

1404
01:21:26,430 --> 01:21:27,550
I'll need

1405
01:21:27,550 --> 01:21:28,450
someone to take care of me.

1406
01:21:28,450 --> 01:21:32,790
we just need to encase stacker news office

1407
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:35,250
in like in a shell

1408
01:21:35,250 --> 01:21:37,190
and put wheels on it and then we can just wheel

1409
01:21:37,190 --> 01:21:39,390
your operation wherever it needs

1410
01:21:39,390 --> 01:21:39,770
to go

1411
01:21:39,770 --> 01:21:42,330
that's what he said at all

1412
01:21:42,330 --> 01:21:47,110
oh this is cool

1413
01:21:47,110 --> 01:21:51,150
all right that's been another stacker news live

1414
01:21:51,150 --> 01:21:52,790
we'll see you next year

1415
01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:54,770
from tapconf again maybe

1416
01:21:54,770 --> 01:21:56,130
maybe maybe

1417
01:21:56,130 --> 01:21:56,770
kian

1418
01:21:57,030 --> 01:21:57,050
Woo!

1419
01:21:57,630 --> 01:21:57,930
See ya.