live from plan lab in austin texas this is stacker news live
hello ladies and welcome back to another exciting news
Snacker News only, but we're going to be here.
Keone, how's your week?
I'm good.
My week is good.
Not as good as yours, apparently.
This is going to be an off-the-rails Snacker News Live.
I took a shower today.
Look at the cameras all janked up.
We're everywhere today.
We're doing a lot.
This is what the Snackers want.
How was your week?
It was good, yeah.
I think it was pretty good.
It's been busy outside, but I haven't spent a lot of time out there.
so. Yeah.
It was cool. I just met Clark Moody
for the first time. I heard that.
Yeah. He's really nice.
I told him about my
prayers app. I'm building my
watch app. Is he going to invest?
No. No, I just
tell him that I was coding. He asked me what I was coding
on my codex. Did you tell him to add the link to his dashboard?
Oh, that could probably be cool, but
I don't know if that would work, but inside the same app.
Do you have a name for it yet? He should make like a dashboard
for the watch, though. That'd be cool.
Like a dashboard watch.
Oh, yeah.
Clark Moody.
Clark Moody Watch.
Moody Watch.
Anyways, that was right before the show.
But, yeah, it's been a crazy week.
Dude, I'm so tired, but now it's just energy and vibes that are getting me through the rest of it.
Yeah, I heard you guys were partying pretty hard last night.
We had some people with claw.
Where were they?
White claws, open claws.
No, they were throwing an open claw party upstairs.
And then we were at the Omni drinking.
and then these guys came up to us
wanting to fight us.
I don't know. It was weird, dude.
I wanted to invite you.
What was it?
They were drunk.
They just looked at us.
You look like AI people.
But they had a whole
open claw thing on their head.
It was weird, dude.
They had an open claw hat?
Yeah, those guys.
No, they weren't drunk.
They were just old and angry.
Yeah, they were just old and angry.
Angry about being old.
Yeah, old and...
Angry about Open Claw.
Angry about something.
I don't know.
They needed some beers.
They were enthusiastic about Open Claw.
Oh, I see.
I think they were angry that we weren't as enthusiastic as they were.
I mean, they were wearing a hat, dude.
They were wearing a hat.
I don't know how...
There's no way I'm going to wear a stupid Open Claw hat.
It's like Mickey Mouse ears.
Yeah, it was like Mickey Mouse ears.
Oh, was it like a...
Was it a Lobster Claw hat?
Yeah.
Yeah, but there was two different kinds.
This is like the springy one.
And there's like the actual thing.
It's like they made it at home.
They bought it.
No, it looked like they...
Oh, really?
Yeah, because they both had different hats.
Did you see the second one?
No.
The Lover one looked like a lobster was actually swallowing his head.
Dude, it's kind of weird, man.
Like this year, there's definitely a riff of open claw fanatics
and just regular AI people.
I'm noticing it.
Not a rift, but there's a clear delineation is what I'm saying.
Yeah.
And I didn't think that two weeks ago, but I definitely see it clear.
There's a movement happening with Open Claw,
and then there's just a regular AI movement that's happening.
And I don't think those two things intersect.
Well, they should.
They should.
So I imagine they will.
But last night, after last night, it almost seemed like they were like,
I'm better than you because I have Open Claw.
Well, I wonder why.
I don't know.
How do I love to hear the reasons why they think Open Claw is Open Claw?
It was weird.
It was a weird thing.
We were just, like, drinking.
Anyways, we'll talk about all that stuff.
We're going to cover a lot of things today.
If you've ever seen this crazy show, it's called Stanker News.
Well, let me go to YouTube real quick.
It's called Stanker News Live.
If you go to the search, you type in Stanker.
You type in N.
Boom.
First thing that comes up, baby.
How about how do you like them apples?
Those aren't apples.
How do you like them search bars?
You have 7707 videos.
Excuse me.
We have all sorts of things.
Do we keep losing subscribers?
Dude, people keep subscribing to this stupid show.
I don't understand what's going on.
Stop subscribing.
Yeah, I don't know.
Like, it went from 6.01, and now it's 6.30.
Do you think we can tell YouTube to remove the button?
And there used to be no one watching.
Now there's five people actually watching this, which is, why would they watch me just?
Maybe it's, like, all the open claws in the office.
And look, you can tell all the recording stuff has gotten worse over time.
We're like bobbing ourselves.
It's pretty bad.
It's almost like, yeah.
Hey, we'll get there, Snackers.
We got Ovi in the house.
Ovi, representing that Plow Blub shirt.
I'd love to see it.
Oh, yeah.
I was looking for the Wi-Fi password.
Oh, you're looking for the Wi-Fi password?
I can't say it on air.
You're in Slack, though, aren't you?
Yeah, you should be in there.
Just type in Wi-Fi password.
Can you give him the Wi-Fi password, Tofu?
Sorry.
Sorry, stackers.
We're running a hacker space at the same time.
Yeah, this is, yeah.
This is everyday life.
Running a hacker space.
I was going to say, but yeah, if you've ever seen this great show,
check out what Wumble does.
He does picks every week, and apparently the burger one's not taking off.
No one cares about McDonald's.
The one that was surprising I saw this week was the BIP one.
42 people tuned in to see that.
Oh, yeah, I think we got called.
Spam. Oh, we're going to cover it in comments.
I saw that.
You got to tease them out.
Talk about that at the end of the show.
All right, let's jump into the top three stories this week on Stagger News Live.
This is Keon, book review.
Everybody Loves Our Dollars by Oliver Burrell from Den.
15 comments, 14,000 cents.
Keon, what's this?
Yeah, so Den read this guy's book, and this guy is like, you know,
kind of a traditional, it seems like a traditional finance journalist type guy.
and he blames or, yeah, he kind of blames like a lack of effective money laundering,
anti-money laundering schemes or systems or like whatever
for much of the bad things that happen in the world.
Because he does the math of like criminals use money
and so if we stop the money of the criminals, then we stop the crime.
and the criminals aren't profitable, that's the anti-money laundering math.
In his book, he describes all the failings of money laundering
and why it's kind of systemically flawed.
But instead of coming to the conclusion that maybe the problem isn't the money in the money system,
he comes to the conclusion that we should actually just make these anti-money laundering just much better
or somehow fix it by introducing more government stuff into banks
or make it better.
Make anti-money laundering better, meaning do more of it
and have a wider net for it, and that might prevent the stuff.
Anyway, so Dan is kind of reading this as a Bitcoiner
and processes it for us and explains it
so that we don't have to read it, which we probably wouldn't.
cool
and yeah I thought it was
I thought it was cool I would probably never
I might pick up a book like this because I'm curious
I'm generally curious about how money laundering works
because I have no idea and we hear about it
all the time and supposedly all the KYC
and stuff that we all hate is
in service of preventing this kind of
stuff so
got the top comment
this week from
let's see who is it from
Squaresby he said
let me see here he said oh wow he said
gd on fire is what that is preach sir preach uh dan said pretty well but now
did i look at it again in your comment thanks and of course be sure to tweet um yeah
cool stuff uh let's jump into the next one number two top story this week is invitation to monk fest
the new freedom territory this is from cypher uh three comments 15 000 sats key on what's this
Yeah, so Cyphermonk House, I think, is like a Bitcoin space, Bitcoin freedom tech space in London.
Oh, cool.
And I guess they're throwing an event coming up on the 21st and the 22nd.
It's sponsored by Angor, which is like a, I think, possibly a spinoff from Geyser.
that's on Noster and uses time lock contracts
to gate donations to whoever's fundraising.
Anyway, that's the sponsors, though,
and Yakahone is also a sponsor, which is a Noster client.
It looks like your typical fare.
It looks like they're doing workshops and general kind of socializing.
They have a pitch contest.
awarding 1.7 million sats among the participants lots of speakers see we have metamick from geyser
there some of these the cypher monk people that's cool i guess regular regulars there dude i would
love to go to that because there's always like this or at least my understanding of london night
which i don't know but there's always this like underground like music dj vibe i always get from
the UK and London.
Because I always listen to it when I'm working.
And it's all the good
DJs and
how do you say the... I don't know.
Something about overcast
weather maybe. I don't know.
It's just really good music that comes out of London.
And this kind of reminds me of that.
You know what I mean? Do you know what I'm saying?
Maybe I'm not explaining myself.
I think I get what... I mean, I hear the words
you're saying. I can make sense of them.
This is cool!
Wow.
I wish they had more pictures of the space and events and stuff.
You can kind of find them if you dig a little bit on NoSurfer pictures.
Yeah, if you're in London, go out there and support your local Cypher Monk hub.
You probably need some volunteers to help out, so reach out.
Cool thing.
I'd love to see it.
They even have a trailer.
Should we play it?
Oh, there he goes.
That's cool.
Oh, wow.
more toxic whoa that's cool oh wow oh that's a good vibe we love to see it
yeah it's just yeah it's just cool people getting together and making cool shit love it
um cool stuff we're gonna jump into the number one story this week it's the other bitcoin mystery
Where's Fried Cat?
This is from Sikki47, 37 comments, 41k sats.
Wow.
Keon, what's this?
Yeah, I had not heard of Fried Cat, but I guess Fried Cat was one of the early ASICs manufacturers.
I think possibly the first.
I read this a few weeks ago, or not a few days ago, so I might be a little bit rusty on my recollection of it.
he
a Chinese born
did some kind of
sort of joint exchange thing
he went to the university
had a joint exchange thing with Yale
there he met his future wife
and future business partner
got into Bitcoin
got into Austrian economics
and that kind of stuff
around the same time
he then dropped out of the university
and moved back to China
to Shenzhen
where it's like now the technology center of where all this technology stuff gets manufactured now.
But they moved there to start ASIC Miner, which produced ASICs.
I think their original plan was rather than to sell these ASICs to other people for them to mine,
they were going to mine them themselves.
They were going to mine Bitcoin themselves with them.
They were going to manufacture and mine it and not resell the underlying hardware.
and I guess it was
really successful. I think it's also
considered the first
ICO
ever. There was something
called the
Bitcoin
Stock Exchange. Global Bitcoin Stock
Exchange. There's an old
Bitcoin talk poster. You can look into that.
So did he invent the thing here?
Did he invent this camera?
He didn't invent the ASIC but that is
a device that they ended up producing.
That's awesome. Which you can still buy on
eBay. Yeah, I've seen those.
Topher, don't you have these right here?
Don't you have one of those?
The ASIC minor block. The USB ones?
The USB minor.
These right here? The cute little baby ones.
Don't you have those?
Circuit 20 tiles. They're the nerd miners.
You have a nerd. You have a modern
version that can actually still
mine. Sort of.
You can at least water them.
It tells you
It has a module, and it tells you exactly how much SATs it is, right?
It has a screen and everything.
Oh, wow.
That's cool.
It's got Wi-Fi.
Yeah, so eventually they produced those, I think a year or two in,
to the founding of ASIC Miner, they produced those.
I guess also one of the early investors in ASIC Miner was the future Wu Jihan,
the future founder of...
Hey, Ovi, can you grab me a beer?
Sorry.
Bitmain.
Sorry, Keon.
Oh, it's okay.
I'm on a roll.
I'm used to doing this podcast.
Hey, this is, like, dude, I've been working so hard since November for one week.
Yeah, I've been on vacation.
Oh, you have it?
So this is a different one.
Let me see.
Can you show the camera?
That's the one that Topher has.
Plug it in.
It just lights up when you plug it in.
I don't have a USB-C.
Do you have a USB-C?
Oh, you have a MacBook.
Yeah.
But that's it right there.
And then it has that.
I can see that.
That's cool.
Is that the same people?
It's probably four times
of USB-A.
Do you use them,
Tiff, or no?
I use one.
Yeah,
because it's fun to look at.
It gives you, like,
the block height,
the time,
all that stuff.
Oh, wow.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
You can plug it
into that thing right there.
People with your MacBooks,
it's like,
is USB-A dead now?
I think so, yeah.
It's time has passed.
Yeah.
But it's useful for historical reasons.
Yeah.
Okay.
So what happened with him?
He just kept, oh, thanks, Ovi.
Chip your server?
I can tip you in stats later.
Did that power cord work for you or no?
It didn't?
Okay.
We should have some more in the other one in that little bin over there.
That's scary.
Sorry, I can't keep going.
Is there anything else you'd like to do?
No.
Okay.
Would you like to?
Hey, the stackers love this.
The stackers love seeing this stuff.
Let's do some meat, maybe.
We could do some meat.
some historic yeah um okay uh anyway as i was saying he one of the early investors in
uh asic minor was the future founder wu jihan the future founder of bitmain you're talking about
the actual the main guy yeah the guy like the biggest asic manufacturer now
he was like whatever happened to him i always remember hearing about him in like 2017 2018
I mean, I presume he's still out there, still making, still running that company.
I don't really know.
Because he was with this whole soft fork when that happened wasn he My recollection is off I think he might have been on the Bitcoin Cash side Yeah he was on the Bitcoin Cash side I don think it matters though because maybe it affected his bags
maybe the company's treasury, but as far as I know,
they're still the largest producer of ASICs.
Or maybe that company forked as a result. I don't really know.
Maybe that'll be a future post for Ziggy to cover.
Anyway, while ASIC Miner did really well at first,
Eventually, it ran into issues, I think, with their third-generation chip.
And from that point forward, he really never – the company really never recovered.
And the way Siggy tells the story, shortly after a fried cat, which is great in him,
made a deal with someone to do sort of like shadow mining in a food refrigerator,
kind of remotely with cheap energy prices.
Shortly after that, he disappeared.
And there's some suspicion that the arrangement, the partnership went south.
Well, it did go south, and then it went so south,
possibly with mafia affiliations that it was like killed
or felt so bad about the outcome of that partnership
that he ended up disappearing himself and leaving the country.
But no one really knows, and it's like a Marcia Persaud story.
I think that's what interests Siggy,
is that we have this Bitcoiner who did all these important things
and then vanishes.
Dude, I feel like somebody should make a book, maybe Siggy,
you can make a book and then just call it The Real Ones,
and it just has people like this that no one ever talked about
but did a tremendous amount of work for Bitcoin.
I think people have talked quite a bit about Narcia Purcell.
I think Friedcat is totally unknown to me.
Yeah, I never heard of him either.
Sumerly Bitcoiners are familiar with him.
That would be cool to have a book that talks about stuff like that.
Clearly these devices were very popular.
I guess at one point they had, I think they had 42% of all hash rate on the network.
You had the number one comment.
It said disappearing completely is such an uncommon thing.
Almost always think it's murder, suicide.
Then again, we're dealing with uncommon people.
Why do you say that for him?
Yeah, because I don't.
That's like one of the possible ways he vanished was him choosing to leave the country
and not using that identity really again.
And that just seems kind of uncommon.
I don't know of anyone who's done that before.
I feel like I've known at least two people, I won't mention any names,
that have just like disappeared.
And when we ask about them,
they're like, oh, I don't know where they are.
Oh, I don't know anyone like that.
But maybe there's been tons of, not tons,
there's at least two Bitcoiners I can think of
where you just don't hear about them anymore.
Yeah, but I think like the,
those aren't Bitcoiners that like the news media pursues
and people try to figure out where they are.
I'm sure if they did, they could figure out where they are.
They can't figure out where this guy is.
In which case it seems wrong.
You got it running, Topher?
Yeah.
Oh, he said, yeah, Topher has it running.
You should be able to bring that cord if you want.
Oh, yeah, you can plug it in here, can't you?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's see.
Is that power still?
Let's see if it shows you.
You want to show the camera?
Or just tilt the camera?
There it goes.
We're trying to show, like, a thing here.
Oh, there it goes.
Cool.
Begooom.
isn't that cool oh that looks really weird dude that looks sick yeah it's not
connected to a mining pool but it has all these stats on it
there you go that's good that's good
staggers are used to this kind of production quality
hey cars having an off week well yeah I mean this is how we can really get them
to unsubscribe, which is our goal after all.
Cool story, man.
I love it.
I want to see more of this.
The real one.
Somebody make that book.
We're going to jump into the AI stuff this week.
Keon meta acquired Maltbook, the AI agent that went viral because of fake posts.
Did you hear about this?
I did see it on SAC News, yeah.
What did you think?
I thought, okay.
Do you think Zuck is doing Scorch Earth Approach again,
this time to Open Claw,
or he's just going to release this all for free?
Do I think he's going to release it for free?
Do you think he's going to release everything for free,
like he did with, didn't he do that last time with his,
what was it called?
What's the name of his LLM?
What?
Lama.
Oh, Lama.
What do you think is going to happen to you?
What do I think is going to happen after he acquired this?
I don't know.
It's probably like an acqui-hire.
Maybe he thinks the guy is on to something.
And maybe he thinks the guy has particular insight to lead some kind of...
I mean, you did say like two or three weeks ago, make stuff agent wants or agents.
What did you say?
Bots want.
I said bots want.
I've been seeing other people who are actually famous and respected say similar things.
few weeks since then.
I agree with that. I think the internet is going to
be crawling with them.
I don't think they're going to want these social spaces
that are human readable.
But I suspect they will want their own coordination
points on the internet.
So maybe that's what Zuck is interested in.
I don't know what...
I would guess he talked to the founder of Moldbook,
found his point of view interesting,
it's likely that it wasn't a total fluke
that he created Maltbook and it became a success.
He probably had some motivation or insight around it,
and Zuck acquired that insight.
Yeah.
It feels like it's really...
We were talking about it last night at the Omni.
I feel like there's just not a lot...
I mean, you can get, I mean, I'll get into it more,
but, like, I feel like the, like, with Albie,
what they're doing with their stuff, but,
and that gets you so far, but it,
I don't think everybody's caught up to allow, like,
an agent to have lightning and then go achieve a task,
like buying plane tickets or something.
We were talking about that last night.
I feel like, I feel like we're a little bit far away
from all that, but it's good to see people like him,
Zuck, like, try to at least make that future happen
where you could, in theory, just have these bots go out and do things for humans.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Anyway, I want to bring that up because I thought it was a fascinating thing.
We got one from Optimism.
He said, so does that mean I have to spend less sats on endless downzaps now?
Maybe I should build a default comment that redirects bots there.
What do you think, Kian?
Does Optimism need to do that?
What did you say? He whispered.
Does Optimism need to do that?
I think he was kind of kidding around.
Okay.
There you go.
We're going to jump into Wumble's Picks,
the number one thing that people tune into outside of the top cowboys every week.
That's Wumble's Picks.
This week on Wumble's Picks, Wumble wants us to cover this.
How would you unwind the Social Security pension time bomb?
Keon, I'd go to you.
It's a simple task.
You have to forgive me.
I spent quite a bit of time on the cryptography post.
We'll sort of be discussing.
But how would I unwind it?
I would, like, how do we stop it from happening?
I don't really know.
I mean, other than just telling young people they'll be losers
and not get the money they've paid in,
and then stopping maybe perhaps like unrolling it
by stopping collection kind of progressively.
younger and younger people contribute less and less knowing that they won't get it at the end.
I don't know the solution to it. It just seems like the government made a promise that they're
not going to keep. I don't think there's a way that the government can keep that promise.
I don't think there's anything I can propose that allows the government to keep that promise.
So I think they just have to break the promise.
So Wombo asked two questions.
He said, what option would you suggest for Social Security?
What option would I suggest?
For Social Security.
From a government's perspective or from like a human being trying to secure that social?
He really didn't clarify.
He just said, what option would you suggest for Social Security?
Okay.
If you were doing it for yourself, I personally would recommend
Saving your money in Bitcoin.
Putting some percentage of your income into it so that you have a nest egg when you come
of age.
If you are somewhat skeptical on Bitcoin, diversifying into something else would probably
make sense.
Saving.
Saving is a solution to what to do in the future when you don't have income or the future
is uncertain.
So that's what I would recommend.
Do you have an answer?
Let me reach to the next question.
The next question was, what is the most realistic option the government will pick for Social Security, Keon?
I feel like he's trolling you with this one.
I don't think he is.
I think if I would have spent more time looking at the comments and stuff, I'm sure stackers have some good suggestions for this.
I would guess they just keep lying to people and keep the train rolling as long as they can until it actually implodes.
and there's no other choice but for them to break the promise in a brutal, disappointing way.
That's what governments tend to do.
I suspect Social Security won't be much different.
Maybe AGI will save them.
I don't like that.
And Jetix zaps.
I think, I don't know the answers to these, Wimble.
I'm sorry.
I'm not an economist or a politician.
But I will tell you what Carr would do.
Carr would find a way to make it happen for the people that are of a certain age
to make sure they spend those years of their lives in a happy place,
whatever that may be, with their family, their own homes, a nursing home,
all those different things.
That's what I would suggest.
How do you make that happen?
I don't know, but we need to make sure that we take care of the elder.
that's definitely a real thing
that we should be doing
it has to be fixed
vote for me
2026
anyways
good one
that's from Wumble's Picks
Wumble's Picks
we're going to jump into Keon's post this week
it's Bitcoin devs should be learning
isogeny
cryptography
Keon
what's this
Oh, yeah.
So Conduition shared this post.
How do you say that ISO thing?
What?
How do you say this one?
Isogeny.
Oh, okay.
I think is how I would say it.
How do you use that in a sentence?
I'll use it in a sentence.
Bitcoin devs should be learning isogeny cryptography.
I was going to be like, oh, she's so isogeny.
No, it's not.
Yeah, I don't think it's like a term that's fairly well-scoped to pure math.
I guess it's like a subjective morphism of algebraic groups within a finite kernel.
Hmm.
So it's like quantum.
No, it's not like quantum.
That's why people, that'll get people to unsubscribe.
Yeah, do you want to explain this first more?
Just mention the word quantum with this thing.
Oh, man.
I'm going to get some heated comments now.
I can already heat it.
Feel it.
I can feel it.
Car, how dare you?
say this is quantum. I'm literally joking around. All right, Kian, go for it.
Yeah, so Conduition introduces us to isogenic, maybe they call it isogenic, but isogenic
cryptography, which is, because it's thought to be post-quantum, or at least there aren't
algorithms that are, yeah, it might even be provably post-quantum, I don't know.
and it also maps on to Bitcoin fairly well
as they demonstrate later down how it might work.
But in summary,
what you have is your public key is itself an elliptic curve
and your private key is a mapping from a generator elliptic curve
to that public key-like elliptic curve.
So currently we have,
currently your public key is a point
and you use a generator point
or your private,
your public key is a point
and your private key goes from that generator point
to that public key.
And this is kind of similar,
it has like a similar shape,
but it takes an elliptic curve
and the private key maps it to another elliptic curve.
And you can't go backwards.
It's like one way, like how existing cryptography
or how we expect public key cryptography to work.
What else do I want to say about this?
Sounds interesting.
It's definitely interesting.
Yeah, so if it is like quantum resistant,
it suggests
that we might be able to move to it in the future
for Bitcoin because its representation
is compact the signatures are
like well sized
and so are the
so is the elliptic
curve representation which is represented
by this kernel of points I guess
that allows you to describe
an elliptic curve
in a compact way
yeah here's the sizes that you get from them they're fairly compact
and they go into it's a it's like a great background I think on it like I felt even
though I'm not cryptographer I'm not a cryptographer I'm not super familiar with
most of this I felt like I was grokking the significance of this and I loved how
familiar a lot of it was given that it is still using elliptic curves it's just like
it's using it's not within an elliptic curve it's like using elliptic it's like a system
built on top of elliptic curves um i'll say i'll say something um i think this if you're if you're
watching this this should humble you a little bit because i got humbled right when i didn't know
what this means.
So you lost me right here.
After this, I was like, okay, I'm not gonna.
This is where, like, you know,
shout out to Vague, man.
Stay in your lane.
When it comes to this stuff,
this stuff's, like, really hard.
And the fact that, like,
Bitcoin devs are, like, looking into it,
I think it just goes to show that
we got some really good people on our side
trying to build Bitcoin into the future.
So that what I will say It like sometimes this stuff is like you can just like run through chat I think I told you earlier I was like why don you just run it through chat GPT and get you like a thing And you like oh you can do that with this kind of stuff
Like you have to read through it and like really understand it and spend some time with it.
Well, I mean, chat GPT would be able to tell me all the words that might relate to this.
And I might be able to say, I might be able to parrot what chat GPT says.
But like understanding what is actually going on is kind of another question.
And actually, this is written so well, it can't be compressed any further.
There's nothing that the ChatGPT is going to be able to do to help me understand it better than reading this blog post and attempting to understand it well.
But in short, the summary is that in an isogeny cryptography regime, the private key becomes these things called isogenies, which are these mappings between elliptic curves.
and your public key is an elliptic curve that is built from a generator elliptic curve
and then mapped to with the isogyny.
And that's the rough stuff.
And then there's a variety of, like how signatures are done are kind of interesting,
where you generally what you want to do with a signature is communicate to people
that you have a secret without revealing that secret to them.
And how you do that is you,
how you sign things in isogeny cryptography
is you provide another isogeny
that isn't your private isogeny
that you could only have if you had the private isogeny.
Stuff like that.
So you can do all the stuff that we need
for cryptography in general
and public cryptography in general.
But it's not vulnerable to
quantum.
Good post.
Check out the comments.
They're there. We're going to jump into
Blood Poets Zine.
It's Zine time. One girl with 50
Zines. All in your worlds.
And your words. And your memes.
It's like our new Zine. Number 50.
I tried to make that rhyme. I couldn't.
Looks like she
made a mess on her printer.
Is that what's going on there, Keon?
Can you give us some...
Is that the one in the office?
What? Is this the printer in the office?
What office? Your office.
Oh, I don't have a scanner. That's a scanner.
Oh, okay.
Alright, number 50. Check it out.
It's live.
Oh, too many requests.
Man, people are hitting up Keon up, I guess.
Purchase to print.
Boom. Right there.
3,000 sats.
That's a meal deal.
Kian, you have any thoughts on this one?
Do I have thoughts on the zine that we produce every week?
On this one.
This is number 50.
It's a big deal.
Number 50.
Yeah, so I think she called it the golden edition, I guess, for anniversaries.
Gold is like the theme for 50th anniversaries.
This is like the 50th week-iversary, sort of, but the 50th edition-versary
because we don't, like, the weeks kind of break up.
That's all I really have to say about it.
Otherwise, we kind of covered a lot of the posts that are in it.
Check it out, Steckers.
That's the zine this week.
And Sagardews has zines every week.
That's a big thing.
We're going to jump into my post this week.
So this week, Keon, I've been busy during the rodeo.
So we had the rodeo this weekend.
And I was humbly surprised by how many people actually showed up because a lot of the talks that we had there were really deep, really technical.
Most meetups these days in Austin are like this deep, but these were like really deep.
And I think for me, like I came away with so much stuff, I realized like there really is a need for in-person learning at a deep level.
and classroom setting.
I think those are the two big takeaways.
The most surprising thing, I told you this,
I was really shocked by how many people knew who PubLab was.
I didn't realize a lot of people knew who PubLab was.
So that was really eye-opening,
just hearing it from developers that we don't know
outside of our own ecosystem.
We had some really good talks,
like a really sobering talk from Jordy.
and he was talking about how
a lot of what we're seeing right now
hasn't actually been built out.
We'll post a lot of these videos next week.
And then we had really another awesome talk
from Jonas and Satsy from Chinco Labs
who were also talking about some,
just like the slop that they're having to deal with
and with the pull requests on Bitcoin and stuff.
And it was really good.
It felt like the Bitcoin day was on the second day, but the first day was like very just normal AI stuff.
And we had some good talks there, too.
There was a guy named Colin that was there that like really talked to like the founders and the entrepreneurs in the room about how to scale your business with AI.
And so it was a good day.
There's a lot of people that I would have never suspected being in the room.
So, yeah, just wanted to share that.
Kian, you bought a ticket, but you didn't go.
Yeah, I was going to go, and then I didn't know where it kind of was,
and it was kind of far, and then I released something,
and then I had to monitor it, and then, yeah, I didn't go.
But, you know, it's a long shot, but I wanted to go,
which is a lot, which is saying a lot.
See, Stackers, this is what I deal with every week.
the other thing I wanted to bring up, I'm just kidding,
the other thing I wanted to bring up was
Pleb TV. So we did
the AI Startup Rodeo on Tuesday
and Wednesday. And then on Thursday
we went to Capital Factory and we
launched a new version of Pleb TV.
And so
I showed it here. But
this one we were like getting
actual people that were talking about it.
We had like a little table and stuff and
the guys were there with us and
dude, I was really shocked. I told
you like, there's a lot of things we need to fix
now. Like, Darren just sent me a message
like, all the stuff we need to fix, but
I was really shocked by how many people actually
want to get paid.
Like, they just want to get paid.
Creators just want to get paid. Just get the fuck
out of the way. Pay them. That's all they want.
It was just shocking
how many people just want something like this.
Like, they don't want to
give 30% to Patreon.
They don't want to pay, you know, $50 every
month. They just want to get paid.
And so
it was really cool.
um sharing this and uh yeah every like nick so nick's workshop was hooking everybody's in
with this because they kept seeing the bitcoin payments and then they would be like they would
stop and they're like what's this and then we would jump in and uh it was really cool man so
we're gonna we're gonna update a lot of stuff but i want to share this with the stackers stackers if
you haven't got a membership you probably should right now because um um i think it's gonna i think
I don't know.
I was just really bullish on the fact that people who are not in our little bubble key on here in Austin were genuinely excited about it.
And then we would say, I would go like, I'd be like, yeah, you can do Bitcoin too.
We non-custodially and you can get paid this way.
And like, really?
Like, wow.
That was cool.
It was just like a slight little thing.
It was just like an add-on.
It was just like, oh, yeah, you can do Bitcoin, too.
And we were, like, sneaking it in.
So that was cool.
And then the other thing, they were like, we had, like, a few people ask us about the word pleb.
They were like, why is it called pleb?
Like, oh, yeah, and, you know, just like the common man, grassroots.
So, anyways.
Bringing it back.
What do you think about this, Kim?
When are you going to get your SNL pleb TV?
Well, shouldn't you be getting it?
That's my question to you.
You keep trying to...
I thought this was a...
Hey, it's only $1.99.
We should have split the cost.
We can take it out of your pay if you want.
I don't...
Or our future earnings on sponsorships.
We can...
We'll talk about it after the show.
Stackers, be on the lookout.
But you should definitely sign up
because I think right now we're going to...
There's some people we're going to talk to to onboard them.
A lot of cool ideas, dude.
I was telling you, getting the table
at like a normie event and like being the only bitcoin hot chick there is like an awesome place
to be like it's just being the hot chick do you feel like you're the hot chick or more like didn't
we feel like the hot chick in the room yesterday when we were in there i mean i was the hot chick
austin's a weird place that's what he said anyway so i think i think overall like we got pretty
women here.
Yeah.
Anyway, I just wanted to share that.
A lot of cool stuff coming.
We're going to do a lot of cool updates.
And shout out to Darren for coming through.
And even he was like shocked.
He's like, so this is a real thing?
And I was like, yes, dude.
I've been telling you.
It's a real thing.
Anyways, so I wanted to share that because I thought that was cool.
But overall, man, it was a really good week.
Really good week in Austin for Bitcoin.
Yeah.
Topher, you got any thoughts?
What, on Pled TV?
Just everything for the week.
Yeah, it has been a good week.
Here, give him the mic.
There you go.
Are we talking about South By in general?
Just Bitcoin and South By.
I was telling Teresa earlier, we had Bitcoin on 6th Street.
We had Bitcoin on the east side.
We had Bitcoin at Capital Factory.
Next year, we'll probably have Bitcoin up north.
It's going to be...
Bitcoin is blanketing the city now, which is kind of cool, man.
Yeah.
that's how we're spreading our seed yeah we're like an invasive species now yeah
it's kind of cool price is up vibes are high yeah there's a lot of tech people moving to austin
austin's like the tech scene here is growing the south by scene's way more there's way more people
this year than there ever been for south by right um in the past three years i would say i don't
know i so i haven't ventured out as much as i did the previous years but uh it's weird because
like they tore down the convention center yeah so we don't have that but they also have all these
like new pop-ups like there did you see the pop-up on fifth street where they shut down
part of fifth street and they just put up all these weird like burger stands and weird things
over there that you haven't done that in a long time yeah like normally they don't do that for
south by they used to do that they used to have like pop-ups for like bands to play in the middle
of the street like good bands playing yeah for the uh how was it called it was acorn festival
or something i forget what it's called but yeah oh pecan festival yeah one of the nuts
but uh yeah they would do that but not really for south by yeah but this year it's very different
yeah traffic's horrifying but yeah but it's a lot of fun like there's a lot of fun stuff going on
when you're on foot.
Yeah.
Yeah, so it's cool.
Yeah, and then the Capital Factory's got, like,
it seems like they've absorbed a lot of the stuff
that was happening at the convention center.
Yeah, they did, right?
Because I saw a lot of people with South by Badgers over there.
Yeah.
Yeah, they're crawling all over the place.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's really cool.
Yeah, it was crazy.
It's kind of just spread out between the big hotels downtown,
like Hilton and some of these other ones.
Small conference centers.
But it feels bigger this year for some reason than it did last year.
Can somebody grab me a beer?
Oh, thank you, thank you.
Anyways.
It's been a good time.
It's been a good time this week, guys.
Stackers.
It's been a good time.
We're doing some meta.
Keo, what happened to meta this week?
Yeah, we released the WYSIWYG editor finally.
We've been teasing it for a while.
and now you can use an editor where what you see is what you get in it
rather than typing markdown.
Awesome.
Hi.
Later, guys.
Sayonara.
I guess everyone's going somewhere.
Cool.
Yeah, I tried using the editor today, but I just couldn't.
I feel like a lot of things already just kind of work.
But I'm probably not the right person to use it.
But yeah, it works.
Yeah, see right there?
I don't know if they can see it.
That's the markdown part still.
You have to go into the compose.
Basically what was the preview before is now editable.
Yeah, there it goes there.
Boom.
Cool stuff.
yeah socks keep it going we're gonna jump into
the comments or should we save that for the top cowboy let's do the top cowboys first
just because like you never know top cowboys this week was from here we go here we go boom
Top Cowboys, most popular segment in Bitcoin, Keon.
Giddy on up?
Giddy on up.
Yeah, it doesn't look like it's, I don't think it's changed.
At least the top 10 hasn't changed much.
I would guess probably the top 20 maybe had one change in it.
That's usually how it goes, but that's it.
Those are the top Cowboys.
Anything else?
That's it.
So they don't show the shooters anymore, huh?
Now we discussed that last week.
The only way you can see the other badges other than the cowboy hat
is going to someone's profile page.
Let's just go to this one.
Oh, there you go.
There you go.
Do you think that has solved everybody from downzapping?
That wasn't the goal of that.
As we discussed last week on the podcast,
it was because it was cluttering up the page
and having three badges next to everyone's name.
So people are down-tapping or no?
Still, is there still fighting kind of?
Are people still down-tapping on Stacker News?
Yes, it is a feature that lots of people use on Stacker News
to express dislike of content.
Wow.
And it remains...
Does there seem to be like a certain kind of content
that people hate on Stacker News?
Not as far as I can tell.
I mean, it varies as much as human beings dislike information.
and on stacker news, they're human beings, and there's information,
and they get to express their dislike through downzaps.
And so you have a similar level of variance there.
Okay.
I can tell you you don't want to talk about it, but all right.
I've talked about it.
Let's get on to the next thing.
We're going to jump into the comments.
There's some spicy comments this week.
somebody was commenting on the what's driving Bitcoin business and merchants
new creation says here before hundred K again great review of the report
gentlemen thank you new creations it's always good to hear people enjoy comes
out of our mouths and then there a u run over 2058 he says spam or show because we talking about about Pip 110 yeah I feel like that one wasn my pick or your pick it was just
in the top three
so
if you've never
watched the show
before
U.S.
Sorobro
Snombre
2058
we cover the top
three because we
have to
I think I was
saying things that
were kind of
like not
super positive
about at least
Melvin's
portrayal
of
BIP 110. I think it was wrong on a number of points.
And I don't know. It tends to be, if you say anything bad about BIP 110 or not,
you're now pro-spam. You're a child
pornographer. You're a hosting, you want to be a hosting service for child porn.
That's kind of the conclusion
that folks on that side come to. I don't get it, but
if it helps them get what they want out of lives.
I thought we were just reporting the news, weren't we?
Stacker News?
I don't think anyone just reports the news.
But I thought we were just reporting the news, though.
I don't remember saying anything during that thing.
I think I kept quiet during that one.
I mean, yeah, I think you tend to do a pretty good job of...
Staying in my lane.
Like, that's cool.
Interesting.
Sometimes you got to do that, man.
Yeah.
It's a hot topic.
Because I don't know how it's going to play out, man.
got to end up on the right side stay in the middle for now you don't know stay in your lane
stay in your lane um the other one was jack dorsey fires 4 000 employees that one really took off
people would absolutely challenge an economic reason as such an out of touch take was that
directed at me or you that was directed at me we covered this last week i think as well no seven
days ago we didn't definitely cover this i believe it was at the end because i commented on it but
So a lot of people agree with what I was telling you on the show last week.
Or two weeks ago, whatever it was.
Did you talk to him down here?
It looks like you went into a thing.
Yes, I responded to him, and I apologize.
So for the stackers that are home, that are watching this,
Keon responds to all the comments.
Car doesn't.
I don't respond to all of them, but I do respond.
Yeah, Keon's the one responding to him, not Carr.
Especially when they're like kind of, when I feel like it's maybe my fault that they're responding and feel a certain way.
And I feel like I might be able to help them.
If I respond, I'll respond with like my Thriller X one.
But this Keon's going to respond.
Super spicy, man.
You're in the YouTube comments.
Is it an interesting place to be?
It's actually okay.
it's not too bad
on the YouTube comments
they can't down zap you here
it's true
yeah we can probably
get another 10 minutes
where are you going?
yeah yeah
yeah I'll wait for you
alright cool
then we got fountain comments
undisciplined said
I think the PPQ guy's argument
for benefiting Bitcoin
is that he pays his employees
in Bitcoin
which he couldn't afford
if not for paying
in poop coins
and that he offers a service
that can be paid for in Bitcoin.
This is from last week's episode.
Keon, what do you think?
Yeah, I think that is.
I mean, it's good that he's paying his employees in Bitcoin.
And I think it's good that he accepts Bitcoin.
The question is whether, you know, how we feel.
I don't want to say anything about how someone else does business.
I just, but if that's how they want to do business,
they can do business that way.
I was mostly speaking from my own point of view
and that I don't feel like it's a decision I would make,
which is kind of like someone saying they're vegetarian.
If you want to eat meat, generally go ahead and do it.
But I think there is a reason to maybe not
accept these other things for your services.
I don't know, it's somewhat untasteful to me,
and it's maybe subjective,
and that is my point of view.
I mean, I'm a founder.
I'm an entrepreneur.
I deal with the stresses that comes with that.
I'm not going to tell anybody how to run their own business
because it's their business.
And at the end of the day,
they're the ones that have to make those decisions
and live and die by your decisions.
I've made decisions with blah, blah,
that people disagree with.
Living and dying by those decisions as we speak.
But I think everybody has to do that who runs their own business.
And if you don't like it, make your own business.
If you hate the fact that this guy is a PPQ, make an alternative version.
Show them that you can do it a different way.
That's what I would say.
Competitions out there.
So make a PPQ.
Prove them wrong.
I would imagine it's too hard to do something like that.
I don't know.
What do you think about technology?
What do I think about technology?
What do you think about the PPQ technology?
Well, as far as I understand, it's just wrapping a bunch of model providers
with a paper query interface where you can kind of like buy a gift card for it
and not dox yourself and still get access to these models,
which I think is an interesting service.
I think it makes sense as a service
but perhaps it's not enough of a service
to survive
on only limiting yourself
to accepting one currency
which is Bitcoin
and that makes sense to me
that maybe
if you are just sort of a proxy like this
maybe you have to
try to get as many customers coming through your
proxy as possible and that involves
catering to shitcoiners
yep
um the next one is yeah it was fun it's funny that you bring that up because like yesterday
we're doing the plug tv stuff and then there's like some lady from the film festival stuff and
we're talking through it and one of the things i realized was like she was more interested in
bitcoin once i told her that you keep 100 of those profits whether i mean we have stripe
integration but that's gonna they're gonna take like two or three percent whatever that thing is
and if you're selling like a film for you know 30 50 dollars whatever it costs like that's gonna
that's gonna be a big thing you know that's a huge it's like 10 bucks or five bucks or three
four dollars so i've come to realize that like when you explain to people normal people you keep
100 without any like thing taken away people are more prone to take bitcoin
so yeah that's what a lot of people would say about how they pitch merchants because that
applies to anyone accepting credit cards like in a physical store like if you use square and i love
square we use square but square takes like two three four percent whatever that percentage is
on every cell so that sucks encourage people to pay in bitcoin right but that's what i would say
It's just like not a lot of people understand that these little small little margins in a business unit go a long way.
They add up over a course of like a 12-year span or 12-month span.
Anyways, yeah, I think that was such a fascinating post last week.
I think that's just not talked about a lot
on both sides.
I don't think we talk about it as Bitcoiners enough
and people like in this guy's situation
talks about it enough.
Do you know what I mean?
You're talking about the PPQ stuff?
Yeah, his whole post about it
and why he doesn't.
Yeah.
I think that's fine.
I think him grouping himself
is like a...
I think the disconnect is really
that he's trying to appeal to someone like DarthCoin
who's interested in Bitcoin,
and his business fundamentally doesn't revolve around Bitcoin.
It revolves around AI.
But he still wants to be part of the Bitcoin community
because his company deals in Bitcoin.
So where is that?
But he exists in a bit refill type of role
where Bitcoin is just one of many types of customers he serves.
and especially among the maximalists,
he shouldn't expect to get nice treatment.
Yeah, because he's explicitly out there being like,
you guys aren't enough for me.
Sorry.
Imagine telling your wife or your partner that you want to date other people
and being like, well, why don't you like that?
I'm just going to get my needs met.
Whoa.
What are you talking about?
Undiscipline also had another comment.
He said, Oceania is all the blankety blank,
or all the poop, southeast of Asia.
What does that mean?
I don't remember that.
I think it's, someone came in the comments
and shared a nice picture.
I think it's like New Zealand and Australia and stuff.
Oh, cool.
Down there.
And the blockchain boom just said Zap.
Zap blockchain.
Cool stuff.
Keon
what are you doing this weekend?
I'm doing code review
probably
what are you coding, reviewing?
just a variety
of stuff, some fixes that
Socks has for the editor
Optimism Vibe Bendered
Open Timestamps
we have a really old Open Timestamps
JavaScript library we're using which is
has not been
maintained. Thank you, Peter Schaad.
Someone else
wrote that library and just kind of gave up on it.
Taking shots?
It's so late in the show to take shots.
Everyone's checked out
by now. If they haven't unsubscribed
yet, we've got to get them to unsubscribe.
And then, yeah, stuff like that.
We had someone contribute a tool, like a
Bitcoin configuration
file tool.
Of course. It sounds like you're going to be busy
work continues.
Yes. How about you? What are you doing this weekend?
Oh, this weekend.
Right now I've got to go to the
Capital Factory. They're doing a private
Tim Draper event.
I want to ask him
about the Silk Road coins
if I get a chance.
You think you're going to meet him? Is he going to be there?
Dude, can I meet him? Come on. It's your boy.
Shoot or shoot.
I imagine he's behind a rope
of some kind. One of those red ropes.
Let me go over there and shoot my shot.
And then we got,
then tomorrow,
Nick was saying he wants to do the Jimmy E. Briscuit thing.
So probably go to that.
I'll probably be here to get some work done.
Because I haven't been able to do any work all week.
It's just been like,
literally like every day has been like nonstop,
just me yapping all day,
talking about blah, blah, blah things
and being on the offensive and stuff like that.
It's just all,
it's all run into each other, basically.
tomorrow I'll actually be able to look at all the work that I
need to do
and catch up on all sorts of
apologize in advance to all the people that I've ignored
this week on messages. It's not because I
haven't looked at them, which I haven't
but I just haven't had time to
stop and breathe. It's been non-stop.
It's just crazy. This year was crazy.
Crazier than last year. I don't remember being this
busy. I don't remember being this busy last year
for myself
personally. More busier this year.
Did you throw a conference last
year around yeah we did startup day just one day oh that's right this year was two days so it's a
little bit more intense that would make sense but um but yeah do so get all that stuff and then
probably hang out with some with the guys for the jimmy brisket party check that out jimmy
eats brisket is that yeah so oh dude they'll love this um gray ruby will love this because i know
he's into like interesting bands.
So there's this band called Jimmy Eat
Brisket.
And what they do is,
oh, there he goes. So they're like a cover
band. And
they're actually like really good.
And so me and Nick
like watching them.
And so we're going to go
check it out. Look at all those millennials.
Yeah, it's just a bunch of millennials.
It's awesome.
They're so good, dude.
Like it's just like a good time.
Like, singer's, like, really good at singing.
Guitarist, like, has his flair.
It's just a good time, man.
Like, see how much fun that is?
Like, Jimmy Eat Brisket.
You should come, Keon.
I don't really like conferences.
Just come, dude.
It's not a conference.
It's just an outdoor.
We're going to go to an outdoor venue.
There's going to be beers flowing.
We're just going to drink.
It's just so loud, usually.
Yes, that's the whole point.
I don't like loud, though.
Just put your headphones on.
But then I can't talk to anyone, and then why?
There's not the point of talking.
You're screaming and singing at the same time.
They don't get it.
You just stand around with other people you can't talk to,
and you just yell at each other.
Doesn't that sound right?
You're going to go with us to Jimmy Briskin tomorrow?
Oh, man.
You guys are such autists.
Anyways, me and Nick are going to go,
because Nick's like the least autist out of everybody in here, I would say.
In some ways, the most autist.
anyways
Jimmy Brisket
yeah we're going to do that
and then
that'll be the end of the week
and then get back to normal stuff
I can't wait until next week
it's just going to be all boring again
super boring
but it's been a good week
I don't know
this is spring
I mean
Austin gets
yeah but you know
the big conference in Vegas
is next month
it's true
oh I forgot to share that
let me share that real quick
so
Twitter
let me go here
and type in
I think it's
do they do at
no they don't do that
let me see if that works
yeah yeah so TabConf is going to be doing
the
where is it at
I can't find it
so TabConf is going to be doing a BitDevs in Vegas
next month if you haven't
sign up now it's on Event 2
and let me see if I can go to it right now
I forgot to mention this
Event 2
right there
boom you go here click click on where is it at
if you're going to the biggest conference um you want to do this here let me go here gosh
when i get to the uh
is it just tap golf i think oh maybe that's it yeah there it goes cool that worked
events.
Yeah, so TapConf's going to do
Vegas event next month,
April 26th.
Get on here now because there's
limited seating. There's like 142
I think spots.
Sponsored by local hosts,
event two, and spiral.
Just wanted to share this real quick
because it's going to be fun.
Are you going to Vegas next month, Keon?
Nope.
Cool.
It's going to be a good time.
Hit RSVP.
It's free.
Just sign up early before we cap.
All right.
Key on.
What's up?
All right.