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I usually have a little bit more.
Hum.
Yeah, when you're busy, it's hard to have hum and bravado.
Okay.
Well, how are those vanilla wafers?
Oh.
My mommy's seen a lot.
My mom used to eat a lot of vanilla wafers.
She would make a lot of banana pudding because she was from the South.
Oh, you don't like vanilla wafers?
What do you like instead?
What do you eat before you eat the vanilla wafers?
Like the Oreos?
Chips Ahoy?
Oh, like...
Yeah, you like the French cookie stuff.
Well?
Yeah, it's going to be a bit.
We have Austin Tech Week.
So we brought out there.
We brought out there for the founders.
Why did you blow the kids?
Thanks, Gerald.
We got the awesome film festival starting.
you guys yesterday tonight i saw a good group of people just
at the nominee interrupt all this i think you know it's probably
that i'm talking about such vibes are high it's really good out there yeah it did seem really
busy last night um i didn't realize film week was happening is that a lot of indie stuff during
Are you using that?
Sorry.
There you go.
You can talk to Netflix.
Okay.
Hi.
Sorry to interrupt.
I'm here.
Hello.
Am I here?
Thanks.
Hey, guess what?
The new zine.
Wait, maybe I'm muted.
Oh, I was muted the whole time.
The whole time you were muted?
You were the only one talking.
So I was just.
Doesn't matter.
Who cares?
I'm not doing it over.
Go for it.
You got the mic.
As they say in the.
I don't know where they say.
Where do they say that?
I don't know.
I think I saw it in a Channing Tatum movie.
You're a man of mystery car.
I hope not.
Yeah.
have you started talking about anything yet he was talking about tech week and then film week
and he was best no but keep going because i need to do my thing and he was talking about
my thing that's that siggy calls car just not interested yeah but in reality i'm actually
he was reminding us for the 10th time how busy he was it's been a busy week did he okay so there
was like the austin like film festival it's film week it's busy week for car it's actually looked
at like what was going on but it looked like way too professional and not interesting yeah it's not
supposed it's not professional it's well i guess i was looking at the talks and not really the
movies you dude you should go like it's right up your alley like you're you're yes like that's
what's great about this is like the the entrance for people that are creative is oh is right there
for you yeah it's you don't you don't need it that's what's so that's what i think most people
miss about austin it's not pretentious true there's no pretentious with with austin well
that's good i i think that's the biggest thing with um some of these other cities there's this
like sort of pretentiousness right and in austin it's not like that but i think that really is at
the bottom of it is just like people wanting to protect their income because if there's too many
artists then they don't get paid as much right i guess that's one way to look at it i look at it
more like it's just more communal but yeah all boats rise type of thing well that's the that that's
the positive end of like the other side yeah i mean joe rogan talks about this more than i do but
oh my thing came out i'll put it on later you listen to joe rogan i haven't listened to joe
no he's been he's been talking about that on um i think the spotify switch was a bad move
he like fell out of people's routines yeah i guess because but he's been like back and forth
on spotify though right so it was just one big like three-year period where he was like spotify
oh and that's when people dropped do you think that's my thought yeah he took a hundred million
dollar payday to lose relevance i mean it's the same thing that uh howard stern did remember
yeah and who's howard stern but no but i think the thing that howard stern missed up on is that
he never went back to the thing i think joe rogan you know was smart enough to go back to youtube so
he did yeah he just wanted the money and then after that he's like relevance yeah let me i don't
think jerry again is relevant in my life anymore i think that time of my life is over i would agree
which you know it was good for it was good for that time it's good while it lasted yeah
ted says it's like eating goldfish oh he's just too mainstream now you think
That's okay. I just wanted everyone to know.
I wouldn't call him.
Well, yeah, I guess you guys are right.
I guess he is very mainstream, but he does have a big audience
irregardless.
So maybe he is the mainstream
now, I guess.
I don't know if he has a different audience.
He's powerful. That's more the thing.
He's got a lot of power.
Does he?
At least in his own world, yeah.
I mean, yeah, he's affiliated.
Don't we all have a lot of power in our own worlds?
Well, that's hopeful
Yeah
But yeah
Cool
I'm going to staple this now
Oh, right, this has turned into a zine making tutorial
I guess it has
Kian, how was your week?
Vake can put that on his
Tutorial website
I missed what you said
Vake can put that on his tutorial website
Oh
Yep, that was cool
You asked me a question, Car.
I'm so sorry.
My week, it was pretty good.
I don't remember.
Things happened.
I don't remember.
I woke up.
I came to the lab, stuff like that.
That's all true.
But I actually have things to say this week.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, I don't know if I want to do it anymore because you've upset me.
Is that?
Okay, cool.
We'll move on.
But Jana had a birthday.
Oh, dude.
That was an amazing birthday.
I went out for the one time of the year that I go out.
And I am honored.
that was an amazing birthday wasn't it and i told you i told you i appreciate your participation
they're really important parts oh no i was there i was there at the you were there car who counts
you were there for the appetite you were the third appetizer dude i was there you guys are
what is going on now like all of a sudden like right before the show stacker's at home right
before the show me and jenna were having a lovely moment i was like dude the amazing birthday it
was amazing she's like yeah thanks for coming look and now you're like oh you weren't there
oh you weren't there yeah you're trying to pretend that you were there no i was there
i was i was there i wanted to be there i am more that i was more there you guys need to go to your
room for the record stackers i have prior engagements a month in advance i could not
cancel complaining and i could not cancel it doesn't matter it just happened to be that like
a week ago pleb poet told us it's happening on thursday and i'm like crap it doesn't matter
and it was at the same time and i couldn't change it so it was like oh man what do i do i tried it
i tried to do both you made it work yeah you you stopped by you said hello you waved through the
window he's making me feel bad and you got a cake that was awesome it was beautiful it was a cake
for every like it was from plub lab yeah we we support yeah yeah it wasn't yeah okay so that's
done oh it wasn't even the cake wasn't even from you it was from plub lab no it was like from all
of us like i want all of i mean jenna's a big part of like what we do here like she's the
she's like the only girl in bitcoin no but i mean i mean how are we and she's like our little sister
man she's like the one that like makes the whole thing look alive right like she she's she feeds
our plants that's kind of true actually in the in the case of the plants i do keep things alive
and then like and then if it when she comes in it's just like a breath of fresh air
yeah and you remember the the old mural at the old she made the whole mural that was cool she
She actually brings a sense of like...
Overs?
No, like actual like...
I don't know what you call that.
It's just like a sense of like beauty and like wonderness and like...
Whimsy.
Whimsicalness to the lab that we don't otherwise get
because we're just drowned in like just arguing about stupid crap.
Like the other day we were arguing and you're like,
did you hear that?
you're like yes you guys are dumb or you said something that was like oh yeah we are dumb
and it's just like sometimes you need to hear that okay yeah you almost made up for not being
at her birthday thanks thanks for saying nice things i was trying i fail no you didn't
anyways we appreciate pleb poet she's she's a big part of what we do here
um we wouldn't be the same without her yeah it was a good recovery um it's true if you've
never seen this crazy show before it's called stacker news live uh we do this every week we uh
we went to the atlanta bitcoin conference last week and we were talking about there we met alanta
we met uh deon sanders somebody was telling me that this is deon center i was like oh i didn't
even know that was deon sanders i just threw whatever because it looked like people is a
falcon it looked like people in atlanta so i just threw it in there i didn't think it was a big deal
I know Dion from
Check out all the videos, we had some popular videos
Wow, did you
Wait, did you see this?
Our graphing video had 1,000
views, Keon?
Is that right?
That's our most popular one now
What the heck?
Was that the one that we were debating?
Oh, that's right, yeah
The next one I wanted to bring up was
Oh, it was the one that we were debating
I mean, that's going to be a challenge
Oh, that was the one that Topher was debating
Their open source brain chip daps
oh yeah we went deep on that one build off of that foundation it was long it was long i don't
want to watch it right now but um yeah anyway check it out apparently that one is that where
all the signups came 462 yeah we did that's crazy anyway stop subscribing we um oh maybe it's my
you don't want to be popular because if we continue to get more people watching the show
we're not gonna be able to say some crazy stuff and i want to be able to keep saying crazy stuff
right Keon? I don't know
I was distracted by the smell of
Jana's hands
that's mean
we're going to go on to the top story this week
or no, actually number 5 story
this week, oh man I went in the wrong way
yeah, number 5 top story this week
I had a little play on Shock Wallet
by Justin Shocknett
this is the lighting territory from Nullium
9 comments, 3974 cents
Keon
what's this? Yeah, it looks like Nellum
tried out Justin Shocknett's
shock wallet with lightning pub it's like a dual it's like a two planet system um
yeah and they kind of i guess they had set it up originally and um then i think there was a new
version of it and so they they shut down their old one and attempted to restore i guess they
they lost a few sets but i think they were trying out a beta so they kind of expected that it was
only oh yeah so they even did a whole document 42 sats and then they they set up the new version
and they were quite pleased and they went through the same process
and the sats stayed there.
So whatever bug led to them losing a few sats, they recovered from.
And, yeah, it seems like they're having a good time with it.
Actually, our next top post goes.
Yeah, we guys will get into it.
Number four top post is from Justin Shocknet, October 19th, Lightning Territory.
This is 4,188 sats, 29 comments.
My demo from Plebolab Mexico, Shock Wallet and Lightning Pub featuring C-Link, Keon.
What's this?
Yeah, well, you were probably there for this, and you probably arranged for this talk to be had, but it looks like at PubLab Startup Day in Mexico, Justin video phoned it in and gave a really cool demo of ShockNet and Lightning Pub and how all the work that he's been doing.
I know he's been talking about it a lot, but it looks like it's really come together.
Here at the beginning, he goes into some of the advantages or what the requirements, basically, that he was trying to meet.
And it basically went static offer codes for people to be able to receive Lightning payments.
And that's what he's built, avoiding using Lightning and Onion messages.
and improving upon NWC
because you don't have these static offer codes for NWC,
but still using Noster
so that you don't need a turn server or anything
to get behind your NAT.
So, yeah, he kind of does,
he goes through all the advantages of it
and then he does a demo of installing Lightning Pub.
That was the crazy part.
so when we were in um mexico everybody was shocked because there's a certain part of the demo here
let me see if i can get there and uh where is it at justin here it's somewhere in here yeah so he
literally it tells the crowd he's like um and he talks a little bit of spanish it's kind of funny
but he literally tells the crowd he's like i'm gonna try to do this in under a minute
and he freaking pulls it off he literally does the timer and he does it under a minute and like
everybody was like watching this in the yucatan and there's a crowd there and everybody was like
is he gonna do it is he gonna do it and then when everybody did it it was like oh crap and he
literally spun up exactly what he said he was gonna spun up a lot of this is over my head for
the stackers at home i'm sure they know that but uh everybody in the crowd was shocked um
and just so people know like like like justin is somebody i've known for since 22 i want to say
and he's had this vision for shock wallet and he was early on oster um he's very he's very
hardcore when it comes to like his his ways about building a bitcoin wallet and um he's he's uh him
and like evan are from wolf right so they have like this like um they're definitely like they're
definitely positioning themselves to be different than some of these other wallets i would say um
so I just thought it was fascinating that he is building something different because I think in
the space you see a lot of the same trade-offs I don't know if that's fair to say but I think
it's fascinating that he's at least going in a direction that's that's interesting so
I think a lot of us were shocked that he he got it done and when I reached out to him I was I
told him I was like hey we're gonna do another one he had participated last year and he was more
than happy to to do this so we were excited to have him hopefully we can get him actually in
person but i think he just has like family commitments and stuff that's like the biggest
thing for him his family so darn families um yeah so what he does in a minute here is he downloads
um lnd uh and he downloads and he backs it with a neutrino uh bitcoin node and then he downloads
node.js because this is all written in javascript and then um his code of course the lightning.pub
code and that all happens is installed running within a minute um and then he yeah and then he's
showing us he's showing himself connecting to it through shock wallet so shock wallet is like
the interface for it um and just so people know like like like like we were working with him
with some pleb tv stuff behind the scenes that we haven't um actually announced yet but and i've
said this before on the podcast he's a pleasure to work with outside of like how he appears when
he's like you know keyboard typing or whatever he's he's actually a really nice gentleman i think
i think most people think he's he is the way he is when he types he's not he's like so kind
he couldn't be more kinder um it's just i think i think i think people's personalities
change sometimes no i think i think they think people's personalities are different
when they're on like social media or whatever but then when you actually talk to them in person
you're like oh wow he's actually super kind and gentle and you know what i meant to say is like
some people's online persona yeah show up a lot different carvalho's like that too yeah yeah and
justin's definitely like that that's why you know he's he's very smart like he's a very smart
intelligent man and okay i'm done um kissing his ass that i can hear ek in my ear oh car you're
just kissing his ass but i'm not i'm just telling people the truth anyways you can kiss ass and it
can be the truth it's just the truth dude i think he i think a lot of people write him off because
they think he's one way online and that's why you shouldn't talk to him but i'm like no
he's actually really intelligent and he's very nice when you talk to him like in person
i haven't seen people write him off but i feel like they do and i and that's why i always try
to support him if you come out swinging i guess that's you know that kind of i mean tony was the
same way when when he came out with mutiny right like he was just defending his product but
you know and i feel like justin's kind of similar but it doesn't mean that they're any more um
you know less of a person no just less intelligent than anybody else building
yeah i don't i don't think anyone would say that yeah anyway i don't know how we got the subject but
check it out yeah you're busy kissing butt i do want to bring up the um where was so was that one
i think i think i saw the is it this one yeah so just to have this here so we did we did get
published on the absolute best bitcoin only news site that's out there it's called bitcoinnews.com
you guys should check it out there's a couple other sites out there but they're they're pretty
lame bitcoin news is great though um they did give us coverage for the merida startup day and um
it has a full write-up of like all the all the stuff that happened if you guys are interested
including Justin's
announcement and stuff like that.
So Cascader had an announcement,
Runster, all that stuff,
even if you filter and it goes into more about the stuff.
So I would just check it out
if you guys are interested in reading more.
They posted that this week.
Cool.
It was crazy, dude.
People had heard about the,
when I was at Austin Tech Week,
there's two people that came up to me
that had heard about the Yucatent thing.
oh really yeah one of them was from capital factory so they that's where they had heard
about it so they just know from me and the other one was from linkedin okay yeah are they bitcoin
is the one on linkedin bitcoin because i had to make a linkedin for like club club and stuff so
is the linkedin person from a bitcoiner or they're no they're like a normie tech austin tech people
so i did i think that's why i think it's like i think it's important that uh that uh that that i
think that event was a success and i think yeah i think it was important because i think it was
an entirely success so it's good to see justin hopefully we can get even more signups for his
wallet and get more people trying it because um i need to schedule a call with them because we need
catch up on some stuff have you tried it i haven't tried it yet but i just haven't had time it's not
from like not wanting to try i need time yeah but we're working on some other stuff on the pleb tv
stuff so i can't wait to get on a call with him because we need to circle back on a lot of things
anyways keep it up justin i love what you're doing one of the yeah one of the things i'm
uncertain about is he says in the video that uh it starts out trusted i don't know what he means
okay what he means by that uh i think i think it's because he's saying you got to run your own
server he has like the same mentality that nick has no no this is different i know i know that
you have to run your own server it's that when you he's like you can start receiving very small
amounts but those very small amounts that you start receiving until you open a channel is trusted
and so i just wonder how that works because sometimes you have it depends on the situation
but yeah like my head the way that the way that like phoenix does it is you basically you sort of
like accumulate uh some you know fee credits that allow you to pay for um opening a channel yeah
that's cool i don't know what that looks like all right we're gonna jump into i guess we got to
number three top story money class of the day money illusion and unit bias bitcoiner style 20
comments from den 4442 sets key on what's this yeah it looks like den is replying to uh one of
their fellow swedes um who shared a like a what i don't know what year it is uh i think it was in
19 1968 1968 her grandparents went to dinner at a fine restaurant uh i feel like it has something
to say about this i'll book call rn i don't need like a noise right now i don't know it was a swede
Oh, you didn't know he's a Swede?
No.
Oh, yeah, he's a Swede.
Cool.
Yeah, he lives there.
I thought British.
He's showing pictures there.
Sorry.
My bad.
Sorry.
Yeah, so a fellow Swede shared an old receipt,
and it inspired him to write this post,
basically saying that even though clearly there's inflation happening
on the Kronar, I think that's how you say it,
on their, on their currency. Um, it's kind of irrelevant cause, or not irrelevant, but it's like
fundamentally people in, if you, if you do the math, people in Sweden and people in the United
States are still, still, still able to buy as many dinners as they were then. And so while the
Kronar is getting inflated, people's wages are increasing, you know, perhaps there's some lag
or whatever, but people's wages are increasing such that the inflation maybe, at least the
inflation isn't the whole story.
Like they're able to buy as many dinners and money is still serving its purpose.
Even fiat money is serving a purpose and allowing people to cooperate at a scale that they wouldn't
be able to do before.
And so this is kind of Den's wheelhouse is like a deep historical understanding of money.
And so when he sees like, because this is like the common tweet that you see about money from Bitcoiners, it's like, look at these inflated prices.
Gasp.
And it doesn't really get any more nuance than that.
And so he provides the nuance for us.
And does the math showing that money is still functional even when it inflated At least at the rate that it was inflated
What do you think about this?
Would you relate to a woman?
This is such a loaded question.
Would you relate to a woman on social media who posted this tweet?
Okay.
As a woman
Spent the night at my grandparents
My grandpa showed me a receipt from dinner
They had in 1968
At a fine restaurant
I would have some feelings about that
And I would say
What does the show Moore do?
I would say grandpa
Oh there you go right here
I'm so happy that you were able to buy
A fine meal at that rate
She said
This isn't about prices going up
this is about money our money melting and i agree ai assisted caption but maybe that's just because
i heard michael saylor say at one time yeah if you were say if you were saving if you like uh
if you saved 70 kronar that's that 62 kronar in the hopes of being able to buy that same dinner
uh 70 years later you would fail uh to do that and so in a way that did melt away but den's point
is that if you're not saving the money
and you're simply exchanging it,
70 years from then, you would earn more money
and then would be able to buy the dinner
for the same cost to you.
Right, right.
Like effectively in your life
based on other things that you have expenses for.
Yeah, the main point is it's a medium of,
like the medium of exchange function of money
is still happening.
And I agree with that too.
But I would be interested to compare
the actual food from 70 years ago to the food today at that same restaurant so you're saying
like the type of food back then was probably higher quality well that's my intuition interesting
that's an interesting take boom that's why we have women on second news live
out of the park baby yeah foul ball dude we would have never thought of that
That's kind of alpha you can't get anywhere else
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Has that alpha
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No I'm not even joking around
That's like I would have never thought of that
Yeah they probably are getting better
Stereo types
No that was probably farm to table back then
But that's like
Safe Dean's idea it's not even my idea
He said that in the
fiat food the book oh i didn't even think about that that's true yeah maybe they're maybe they're
skimping on the fish or whatever they eat so so so i guess i guess in a way
i wonder what oh it's a taco that's a taco meals are so was btc chick wrong
is that what you're saying jenna nope or she just misinformed
she's made a point and i agree with it four beers wow they're getting down
two coffees back then you know the beer afterwards you know the beers are probably
well that was probably just a nightcap thing you think oh hang on a second did i click on that yeah
why do you just touch that uh yeah no because you're probably just not capping that baby
grandpa grandpa oh whoa what is night captain grandpa was getting down
yeah night hopefully he was married oh it looks like he was married never mind
so these are different men
yeah what's an encarrote that's what i want that's expensive oh i guess it's an entree
interesting okay do you want to move on or what i mean i yeah yeah i guess so okay i think you're
done and that means we're done okay so that's good all right uh the next top story is the only
thing bitcoin is good at is breaking the law what scores beat october 23rd bitcoin territory 33
comments 4942 s key on what the hell is scores be talking about yeah it looks like he's reading
um volskill's book crypto economics again and um i think and then he was also listening to bitcoin
Uncensored, which was a podcast from Bitcoin's heyday that I've heard several OGs mentioned
before. And he saw them connect and he wrote about it. But on Bitcoin Uncensored, they said,
he quotes here, people will iterate Bitcoin up to the point it provides regulatory arbitrage
and no further. And I thought that was a great point, or just well said. Because basically what
it's saying is, if the laws are favorable to Bitcoin, no one is going to invent a way
around them. And instead, it will just kind of stay in the state that it is. But then if you see,
if there's a regulation imposed on Bitcoin, people will then create a technological solution to get
around it. And that's kind of what we see happening. And then Bitcoin itself, of course,
is one of these, like the first phenomena. I think about it more in terms of what's built on Bitcoin,
but I think their point is more so Bitcoin itself was built to avoid onerous banking regulation stuff,
quote unquote, breaking the law.
Or at least right now, Bitcoin is not itself breaking the law.
It seems to have evaded the law fully.
Yeah.
And so he writes about that and how that is where Bitcoin's value is derived from.
is allowing people to not have to rely on any particular jurisdictions laws to
access money and store their wealth and how that is what underpins Bitcoin's
value.
I think it's very interesting.
There's this kind of,
this is separate from what scores we bringing up,
but I think it's,
I think it's interesting right now.
there's just this kind of like i don't know i don't know just like a distortion field in the
in the in the greater world where um you have like tucker carlson calling out bitcoin right now
you have um even people um just uh just abnormally like bearish on um bitcoin and its possibilities of
of what it can do for for humanity and and i often wonder like like what is going on in the
ripples like what is going on in the uh you know in the zeitgeist to cause that it uh it's just
interesting that people even we're going to get to the peter teal thing later but i i do think
a lot of people are just misinformed about this technology and i was attending a talk earlier this
year earlier this week and there was one really interesting thing that somebody said and these
are like the smartest people talking about this stuff right or at least in austin talking about
this stuff and they're like they're like why is ai far more why is ai different than than web 3
in 21 was like one of the questions from the crowd and the people on the panel said it's because
the the what do you call that key on the the learning curve is far simpler and it only is
going to get simpler for ai that's the biggest that's the biggest difference and i think i think
they're right i think that was like such a because i for me i was just like i understood it right away
right it probably took me a long time a lot longer because i started much earlier but
i do realize that ai has a mass advantage when it comes to um people understanding the technology
far simpler than bitcoin and and you you kind of see it time and time again i don't think people
understand ai but it's easy to use that's what i mean yeah yeah it's easy to use it's easy to get
your hands on the technology and then use it so it's just interesting there's just a lot of
misinformation out there and i feel like it's only gotten worse with the tether and the uh
you know all the etfs and treasuries and all that kind of stuff
jenny you got any thoughts on this um i kind of feel like also what you're describing
of like why isn't bitcoin kind of like looked at why is it when is bitcoin going to be getting
like its second look from kind of people who are like in the space and now really in the space of
ai um so i guess we'll see but i'm not like super worried about it but it's kind of something to
like think about and be like what's missing or i don't know
that's it yep car did you have a response to the question you asked or jana's answer to the
question you asked her no i was just curious if she had any thoughts on it do you uh i shared
oh do i have thoughts on what car said which just about the whole thing in general i i'm just
just sharing my thoughts because stacker news like i think you're right that uh bitcoin and
web three stuff is harder to use than ai like ai is like the technology itself exists oh i didn't
say that that was like their panel that said that that was just an observation i brought to the table
yeah um i think i think ai exists to make things easier uh and bitcoin and web three exists to
um well i don't want to say anything about web three but bitcoin exists to get around
laws in certain jurisdictions or rules or onerous processes in certain jurisdictions that
would impede someone's ability to participate in the economy, which Den said earlier was
our main coordination mechanism at scale. And that doesn't imply that it's easy.
and there's like that's not a fundamental feature of it well that is true and it's that's also like
part of the cultural reaction to it that you can anticipate what happened is because like
ai slop like even in like that as a term is like you don't have to use your brain when you're using
ai yeah you get to pretend yeah so yeah so there's not and you haven't so there was like this whole
ai thing and they were talking about with creatives and ai and a lot of them were musicians and even
they didn't even know that like you could use wave lake or fountain or any of this stuff existed and
you know and i and i was telling austin like i think they're almost there they're like it's like
they understand it but they're like one covet away from really understanding that the money's broken
and i think we're close there's definitely like i think here in austin at least at least in austin
like web 3 lost and i think everybody knows web 3 lost everybody know bitcoin is a thing in austin
now so that's great we won but i do think they don't know that the money's broken but they're
close like i was telling you earlier this week but we're like close they're like they're like
almost there because they're but this like they're just like one step removed from it and i don't
know what's going to take them there maybe some something catastrophic or maybe hopefully not
but i don't think you can expect every person to come to the same conclusion that you have come to
that's fair but these are these are supposed to be the smartest people right that they're
gathering on panels and stuff so they to me they seemed like they knew what they were talking about
to me they seemed uh that they were close to getting to the answers at least on that on that
stage and to me they almost seemed like they were getting it but they don't have a reason to get it
yet exactly that's what i mean i was telling i was talking to uh ted ted the fed um or space i mean
space teddy space space force ted now i'm just kidding um uh i was talking to ted about my
brother-in-law and how he seemed to he he really got interested in bitcoin when i invited him to a
Bitcoin conference.
Oh, wow.
And he had reason to start learning about Bitcoin because he didn't want to come and
be ignorant.
And so even though before I had kind of, he was kind of, I kind of warmed him up to it.
He was never really sold on it.
But then I was like, hey, come hang out with Bitcoiners.
He's like, man, I better learn about Bitcoin to be able to do this successfully and not
be totally ignorant.
And then he got really into it.
Like he had reason to go a little deep,
deep enough in it where the tide.
So it was like,
it was like when shit hit the fan pedal to the floor to the metal.
Well,
yeah,
it's just,
you need,
you need reason to have to spend the,
you know,
quite enormous amount of time relative to most things.
Most,
the most time that people dedicate to things.
So they do need a catalyst effect,
like some sort of cataclysm.
No,
I'm not.
I don't watch enough.
alex jones to uh feel like when you said one covid away i think that was being dramatic for
this for this but i kind of think that's true like i think it happened for a lot of people
because covid gave them a reason yeah yeah there was a lot of people that yeah me included for sure
yeah i do think but that is it's mostly a lack of motivation and not so much a lack of bad things
happening and so that might be there might be a positive way to get more people to recognize
Bitcoin's promise without bad things happening.
I hope so.
It's a lot easier to imagine bad things happening.
Cool.
Good talk.
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Oh, Chuck Norris? I never actually got into that
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Do you guys want to get into the heavy stuff or you want to get into the
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Let's go heavy.
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Okay.
We're going to go into the Antichrist.
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Tana's like, I just want to go home.
They're fighting.
I just want to go home.
so this is from
we don't have to go too long on it
but I think it's important to bring up
Peter Thiel's been doing an off the record lecture
series on the Antichrist
and I think it's important
just for people of the faith to actually
talk about this stuff because
I think whenever
somebody's out there talking about these things
and a lot of what he's
saying is very
I wouldn't call it misinformed
but I would definitely say it's
it's definitely getting me to think that he might not know what he's talking
about.
And I'm not saying that I know what I'm talking about,
but I've definitely know enough to call like, Hey, there's,
there's something here that's just not making sense. And yeah,
like he, he needs to, like, for what Vic says,
like there's sometimes you need to stay in your lane and, and, and,
and basically if, if everything, the guardian is reporting here,
and I'm not going to go through it all because a lot of it is just very,
yeah it's just outright just like it's wild and just a long story short he's doing a series of
lectures in San Francisco about the Antichrist and a lot and a lot of it is based off of
his of his understanding of what the Antichrist is and I don't know exactly what his sect of
Christianity is I don't know what his personal life is I could speculate and there's like all
these rumors and I don't want to do that because I think that's just we'll leave that for somebody
else to do but I do think it's important to show that a lot of what that's being shown here is that
he's basically trying to say that a lot of the technology that they're building Silicon Valley
has can lead to potentially the Antichrist and can lead to leaders that are particularly young
right now that can then turn into the Antichrist. And I think what he is missing here is that
that's not how things work according to scripture. And so I wrote a whole post. I'm not going to go
into it, but I wrote a whole post about this. And I stayed up till like four in the morning last
night because I had been thinking about this like for a week and I had talked to Nick about it. I
had talked to a couple other people last night. I was talking to a close friend of mine about it.
and they really didn't know like what side to pick on because I,
I'm trying to get to a point now where I don't want to like,
I don't want to slander people and I don't want to go on the record of like,
just like going attacking them. I'd rather attack the ideas now.
And I feel like, and I feel like in my writing,
I need to be a bad, be better, much better about like fighting these ideas,
but fighting on,
finding them on the historical facts and kind of sticking to the facts on this stuff.
And so I was just touching on the fact that he's very much a person that is a huge fan of Lord of
the Rings. I don't know if you guys knew this, but he's a humongous fan of Lord of the Rings. J.R.R.
Tolkien was a historically Catholic guy. And a lot of the symbolism inside Lord of the Rings is a
very catholic uh type of good versus evil type of thing right and so you know i reference a lot
of that stuff in there it's funny because i didn't even realize that i had written an article in 2021
and there's this amazing song called um uh gosh what's the name of it
see if i can find it there's yeah there's amazing song called the past is a grotesque animal
And I had I had I had uh the reason why that song is important is because it it was done by this guy named Kevin Barnes And Kevin Barnes is like the modern day or at least in my generation he was like the modern day version of Bowie
But he wasn't quite Bowie, but he was an amazing poet.
And a lot of people thought that he was going to be the next Bowie, but he just never became that.
but a lot of what he would do and a lot of his antics was very much of like uh doing these type
of things that would then cause like a what's the right word is a maelstrom where you would it would
be like this uh theater these antics but that would get a rise out of people for the for the
sake of uh of of getting a reaction out of them and it was funny because the more and more i thought
about this the more i realized it's like this is very similar to that song that that song that he
had made is exactly the type of thing that he is describing in those words. And when you look at it
more closely, you realize that what Teal is doing is trying to conjure up this past thing, because
as I don't know how well you guys know the revelations, but the Antichrist literally was
Nero in the early, in early Christianity. And he was the one that everybody determined was the
Antichrist. And this thing had a long past. And I go into it and I touch on him and stuff like that.
And so, but in this kind of weird way, Teal is kind of now saying there's this going to be this
new Antichrist and this new thing, and he's mislabeling it and almost doing a thing where
he's just like misidentifying this new villain in a way and almost it's almost type of some kind
of theoretic thing that he's trying to do and it's to me i find it a little bit alarming because it's
it's almost looks like misdirection in a way but i don't know why there's misdirection there
and uh so anyway i put all my thoughts into it and wanted just to to share this because i think
it's important to for people to understand that like a lot of what he's doing looks like he is um
it's concerning because a lot of what he's doing is almost there's and there's a good scripture too
and i think the scripture probably makes the most sense but it's proverbs 21 21 1 and it talks about
how god when he gives people um like the job that keon has this is what this is what christians
believe the job that keon has he has this job because he's been anointed by god to have this
job to do the things that he's doing. And if there was another person for that job, then God would
have given another person that job that Keon's doing. If that makes any sense. So the job that
Peter Thiel has is given to him by God. And so when the Proverbs 21, 1 describes is, I need to
pull it up because I want to get it right. It describes this thing called, the king's heart is
in the hand of the Lord who turns it wherever he wishes, like a stream of water, basically
emphasizing that even with the most powerful humans and the kings that are anointed by God,
there is no way that whatever Peter Thiel is trying to do, that people are afraid that he's
the Antichrist or whatever he is trying to prevent, if that's a thing that he's trying to do,
can come to fruition without God's purpose, without God's direct intervention, if that makes
any sense, according to scripture. And that's where I think a lot of what's not being said here
is just not, and this is where I think it's important to talk about people of the faith
need to, if they feel compelled to, should be speaking up. And that's all I wanted to bring
this up is because I think it's important because I don't think there's anybody in the Bitcoin space
that wants to touch this because it's kind of like one of those things that's like car stay in
your lane? Do you really want to? And I think it's important to bring up because it's like,
yeah, but like, I feel compelled to say something. And I also feel compelled, like in a way that it
doesn't really make sense why somebody of his stature would be going out this route. But I do
understand that God has him in that position for a reason. And, but it doesn't mean that there's
absolutely no way that anybody should be fearful of what he is doing or what he intends to do,
even if these things are true or what he's saying because a lot of what that is going on is
is far out of his control even if he is trying to do these things or prevent these things that makes
sense i'll leave it there for the table okay i have a question um what makes you uncomfortable
maybe about the way Peter Thiel
okay I guess
I'm not sure like where his
I don't know anything about his talks
but I think you just summarized
it to say that
he would lead you to
the place where you would see that like
technology is the antichrist's
clothes. He has two main theories
about what the antichrist is. One of them
is it's like
totalitarian technology
stuff
or the totalitarian state that exists to lord over technology
and prevent it from escalating to the point where it causes an apocalypse.
But then that's like its own form of apocalypse to have a totalitarian state.
And then the other side of it is the technology itself gets so dangerous and abused
that it becomes like the Antichrist and causes the apocalypse.
So those are kind of, those are the two theories that I've heard him say, but he's basically broadly talking about the Antichrist and thinking about it in a modern context and it arising in a modern context.
That is my, from the, this was about a year ago.
But we would listen to him in particular on this because he has been inside technology as.
Yeah, he's both on the inside of technology and as a Christian, which are quite a rare pairing.
Right.
Yeah. And this is where like, it's, it's, it's very fascinating because he, he, and I touch on
this here, like in the, like, I try to be very poetic with this cause I don't want to be heavy
handed anymore. I'm trying to be my, trying to get into my, I'm trying to, when am I writing,
Jenna, you appreciate this. Like in my writing, I'm trying to be more like Christopher Nolan now.
Like I'm trying to, to get to a point to where I don't want to be heavy handed with my writing.
I don't want to be too on the nose. You either are going to get what I'm saying or you're not
going to get it now yeah no and you said something you said earlier that i appreciated was that you
want to be more facts based and not like even this line like that is good i appreciate even this line
we melt our own snow and wonder why we bothered authoring disasters we then deny like that's a
that's a poetic line that i i ripped off from kevin barnes and and when you look into that line
it basically means is that like everything that he is has built throughout his lifetime
he's he's you know some people would argue that he's effectively destroyed
or he's effectively created and he's been a part of and and and then and now he's wondering
why like why am i where i'm at and why am i having these lectures and it's it's kind of
one of these things where it's like in a lot of ways it's almost like i kind of feel like he's
exercising something it's almost like a way of him coming to grips with the reality thing that
he's created yeah and it's very much like the jr token thing when you read the article it's it's a
lot of like lord of the rings because he was a big fan of lord of the rings growing up it's like
his favorite book and um it's almost like he is living that kind of sauron type of reality and
He's coming to grips with this kind of order behavior of.
So is that part of your analysis to like then kind of tell us like don't listen to what he's saying?
No, I'm not saying anything.
I'm just giving my opinion on the whole thing and saying that like.
Yeah.
I don't want normal people to get disturbed by it.
Like I'm trying to tell people like I guess the whole like you kind of have to read it and understand it because there's a lot there.
but i'm i don't i don't i'm not trying to sway one people one way or another i'm just trying
analyzing it i'm just trying to leave it open interpreted now like i'm done trying because i
was looking at my writing from thriller bitcoin and i was like what's the next stage of my writing
my writing needs to be like it needs to be i need to move to a place where it's like it's gonna stand
on its own and it needs to stand on a place where it's like like christopher nolan where he doesn't
give you an interpretation of what he's trying to say. He just says, this is it. And you either
understand what I'm talking about or you don't. And that's kind of where I'm trying to go now with
my writing. And I stayed up for like four hours yesterday trying to like bang it out.
And I read it. I enjoyed reading it. I think I shared, Jan, I'm not sure what you're saying
about Peter Thiel's work. I could see that you're skeptical of it, but I don't know in what ways
you are skeptical of it?
Are you saying that the scripture disagrees
with Peter Thiel's interpretation
or someone who would be a,
like a theologian who studied it in detail
would disagree with Peter Thiel's analysis?
Is that what you're saying?
I think you have to read it
and you have to look at the articles
and you have to, you have to,
you have to do the,
you have to actually like look into it.
Like I named it the Velvet Stage
and the Brainy City for a reason.
Like I named it these things for reasons.
like um the clues are there that that's that's kind of where i'm at like with what i'm doing now
i'm it's like you know there was a time where i would have been like more on the nose about things
and i'm realizing now that like i don't need to do that anymore they just need to be open-ended
about things and leave it leave it for interpretation i'm not saying you need to be on the nose that's
why i'm asking uh i'm asking for the nose like i'm asking i'm trying to figure it out after having
read it and that if you don't if you're if the idea is you never show the nose even if someone
asks and that's okay no i think i think we had it here in the comments like simple stacker
or no billy the kid got it okay so you agree with the billy the kid's uh interpretation of your
writing okay yeah and then we go into it a little bit more and i i literally said in the beginning
about proverbs 21 1 i think the biggest thing that if you look go look at that go look at proverbs 21
1 that's how i feel about it if you're curious like what's the whole point of the of the write-up
on soccer news it's like what do you think about peter thiel's antichrist lectures 21 1 proverbs
that's what i think about it okay cool yeah i guess i was that's what i can't summon the antichrist
That's what I'm trying to say.
Oh, you think he's trying to summon the Antichrist?
Or exercise it from himself.
I didn't say that.
And that's not what I'm trying to say on the article.
I'm just saying that, go look at Proverbs 21.1.
I'm not trying to be on the nose, Keon.
I know.
I know that.
But I'm just trying to figure out what you're saying.
This is mostly what.
Like in detail.
I get what you're saying broadly.
you gotta leave you gotta leave that for other authors i think there's people a lot smarter than
me that can be more eloquent on the nose about things and do it the right way that's not me
i can't be that i gotta be me well i like the title yeah the title's cool i thought and i you
know it's very broad and it kind of uh has like a tapestry of different yeah if i would have if i
would have had more like i would have had more kind of like if i would if i would have posted
on thriller bitcoin i would have been more like beautiful so i well one question about this guardian
article what is meant by off the record so the one thing that's interesting about this whole thing
is that he he sold tickets and then you weren't allowed to talk about it recorded or it was
completely off the record there was a couple people that turned in your phone or something
i'm not sure about that but there's a couple people that did and then they initially initially
got they died no they didn't die but they they got they didn't get invited to the next week's
performance or whatever okay punished okay yeah so that kind of meet like maybe like the type of
atmosphere you wanted it to be was like a comedy show honestly that's the same thing you do at a
comedy show turn in your phone yeah so people feel free to say things that are a little bit
uh pokey i think i think i think he just wanted to talk to his to his uh
to his crowd to his followers to his followers yeah my sense is it was it was mostly like sort
my sense of peter teal is like this is like kind of a beta and he's trying he's trying to get it to
a closed audience and release it to them and he doesn't kind of i think keon gets it yeah
cool yeah see that's why i like keon because he's gonna figure out like how these guys think
i would love to think okay i'm curious what are your thoughts on this because you're gonna have
a totally different take on this than I am.
Well, so I'm not super familiar with scripture, but...
Yeah, but I want to know your take on this.
I shared...
Peter Thiel has been exploring this idea for a few years,
and there was a podcast that he did with the...
I believe it's the Heritage Foundation,
a Stanford conservative group,
and they do these great...
Peter Thiel goes on there frequently,
and he described his current thinking at the time
about the Antichrist and the apocalypse.
And I shared that on Sacker News maybe like a year ago.
But I think at the very least,
it's an interesting frame to view technology
and the potential trajectory of the world.
Janice is getting a drink and I was distracting
because I couldn't see what she was doing.
What do I think of that?
I think he explores two potential poles
as being the apocalypse. And I think, I don't know, they seem to make sense to me. I could
definitely see the apocalypse coming about by having a totalitarian government. And he kind
of lays out that there are incentives to do it because that's the only way to stomp out.
If AI is going to be really powerful and it's going to be in the hands of everyday people,
it's kind of like giving, you know, we have AGI and people basically have, everyone has a nuclear
weapon more or less. And that's maybe bad. And that's an apocalypse of some kind. But how you
might defend against that is you have a totalitarian government that squashes that technological
progress, but then that's its own antichrist and its own apocalypse of a kind. So that's
that's kind of the way he yeah he described it's like a very black and white yeah thing but I don't
know I kind of see it a little bit differently as far as like the timeline I kind of see it like
and remember I told you I had went to that thing and I saw the timeline and it really opened my
eyes to the history of the world and stuff yeah and I really kind of see it interest like the
fourth turning I kind of see it now a little bit differently I kind of see it like the internet was
invented then um and then you had bitcoin fix the money and then now you have ai and then we're
going to fix the energy then it's going to be the final frontier and i think that that's kind of how
i see it kind of playing out and i either we're going to destroy ourselves before then before we
get to the final frontier or not but i i don't i don't think we have to get to a total totalitarian
government to i don't think either we're going to annihilate ourselves or but i don't think there's
i don't think there needs to be like a nwo to make that happen that's what he's saying is he
thinks he thinks the powers of the world might intervene to prevent us from annihilating
themselves and in the process create create an antichrist and an apocalypse of like culture i
guess and like human well-being in its own way um i think i think i think there's a change in
the world order right now and i think a lot of people are vying for the the boomer class kind of
going away and i think gen x is just making their moves and i think that's what we're seeing so
that's what i think is going on just like just the hand over the keys so i could be wrong about
that but that's what my spidey sense tells me i don't know anything about the future i'll say that
that's honest
that's honest yeah
and that's the reason to pray
there you go
Ted said something but
maybe
couldn't hear him
I don't know
do you have some thoughts on this Ted?
I didn't even ask you
he just wanted us to be bullish
do you want to come over here and say something?
oh Ted has some thoughts
oh come here
Bitcoin is inevitable
and everything else is questionable
I like that jacket
there you go cool um that was that was all of it that was our peter teal take for the week
uh we're gonna jump into the most popular ama of all time on stacker news turns out it was
mostly harmless pleb poet the most popular yeah i think it was actually and i also who was the
most popular ama besides this i think nifty's was more than that oh wow well she's the queen
aligning so what do you expect yeah so alden's is also pretty popular was there more yeah the
nifty's for a long time len alden's was there len alden yeah our most zapped highest i mean yeah
of course let me look up lenald is actually somebody that's so mean let me look up len
alden was it the most popular one sorry i gotta fact check this all right i guess i guess it would
be this week no it's forever go by sats and then the first thing that you see is oh wow it was the
most popular but how are you doing this by sats i guess 137 comments how much did you get 62 that's
not bad yeah you're half a lynn alden dude there you go let's go that's not bad she started off
hi everyone my name is leno you start off like that i don't even want to be popular though
that's true you're winning then anyways we're talking about pleb poets ama uh keon did you see
this no what what is this website where am i you didn't see the ama you didn't ask any question
though so i think that's a fair dang yeah usually when stuff is meta i don't go in there you like
ask everybody's and you're like the only guy doing ama sometimes i'm surprised you didn't do this
wait what's the reason for not doing meta stuff when i because i'm always i'm always thinking about
Sacker News and I feel like if I go into a meta thread
I destroy it. I like
Oh because yours doesn't align with how other people think about it.
Alright let's get into the top. I feel like I stop people
from being able to come up with their own stuff.
Let's get into the top. Let's get into the top
questions. Here we go.
Here we go. The coin heads on says
you're not quite the only one but yes there are not
many of us and actually I created this login.
What was that about? Oh that was the one that you guys
were talking about. There's another woman. Yep.
Okay.
Sipper Sacker said how did you come up with the idea for
the zines there you go that was another popular one do you agree with the way i put it there do
you agree that that confirmed that that's the series of events yeah i got inspired by a zine
maker and then i i was just like on one that day i'm like hey yeah you're like this should exist
yeah yeah everybody likes them it was the most popular thing at step was a stroke of genius
socks socks said what is it like to post your first scene here i was personally super excited
crypto sensei says what job did you give up in order to work on second is i thought that was
interesting they thought that like you had not that you didn't do anything
huh they thought that you didn't do anything they're like they're like oh what job did you
give up no i don't think that's no what they're saying they're not saying because i was doing a
well he said gave it i gave it up to do stacker news is what he's saying so i was doing a different
job and then i came and did this job it's kind of the way he's putting it that's how i read it i was
surprised everybody was like how did they welcome you i was like uh i think it was pretty normal
yeah that's how i feel too uh what about art and culture are those subjects who represent
a second is like yeah yeah and darth coin oh i'm surprised darth coin came in there and asked you
questions well i know and that was great and he was kind of more asking me like um star wars stuff
Stuff about, I guess, what do I think about different things?
That's what I'm saying.
DarthCoin's actually a good stacker.
Well, and that's kind of what I was expecting,
just kind of shoot the shit in this AMA.
That's not a real AMA.
I think when you do AMAs,
you realize who your real fans are on Stacker News, right?
Is that what you realized?
Well, I wouldn't think of anybody as fans.
I mean, you're real friends, maybe?
You're real friends.
Who are the ones really zapping you?
i i don't know i don't really think yeah i don't distrust anybody i would like to see a real bitcoin
dog ama that's all i'm saying oh keon would you comment on that one would you ask a question on
the real bitcoin dog ama uh i i might ask a question i would ask him if he's gotten on stage
again real bitcoin dog you heard it here first i would like to see an undisciplined ama or like a
gray ruby ama or a darth coin ama i think for some of those names it's like an ama every day
no it's not i feel like we don't even know these guys or women kind of true but then they may not
want to be known sure but i would like to see more stacker amas yeah i'm down i'm down for it
um the next one is this is why i don't comment on things because i'd be like it feels so insular
and then people wouldn't do it if they want to do it no but how cool would that be if every week
you do we did another like stacker ama of like a i mean i get what you're saying as well it already
is insular so many so it would be cool to do that doesn't matter like a just like a just like a
justin shock net ama like how many how cool would that be like i don't know that'd be cool carter
said do you think there are any tasks you complete better because you are a different sex or fair sex
i'm surprised he said dishes it's kind of like what you said earlier car too yeah that's true
um yeah i asked you this one because i thought you were going to give me some really good answers
and you kind of did.
I was surprised that you liked
the talking heads. I didn't know that.
And then the TSL
I remember you saying that before.
The time travel thing
I kind of knew you were going to say that.
Well she had the medicine and she just never took it.
So I'd be like grandma.
You got to take it.
The ballet classes. I didn't know the ballet thing.
And then the Michael Chamberlain.
Who's Michael Chamberlain?
Well he's just like a painter in San Francisco that I really like.
And he does a lot of YouTube videos that are really
helpful and inspiring about how to get started painting.
So I would just go hang out with him.
And then a tree house. What do you mean by a tree house?
Like build a house and a tree. There's a couple trees
in my parents' backyard. It's where I got married.
You would actually build a tree inside the house.
I'll take that over to you, Keon.
She means a house and a tree.
Not a tree and a house.
A house and a tree.
Not a house tree. A tree house.
No, because it says like maybe a tree house.
Hey, why don't you just Google a tree house?
Do you know what a treehouse is?
Do they have so few trees in Texas?
Oh, it is a house and a tree.
That's so cool.
When you were a kid, you didn't want a treehouse?
Aren't they cool? Yeah, now you're turned on to what treehouses are.
I didn't know that was the thing.
I just thought that I'd never seen this one.
No, I don't believe you.
Dude, I hang out at the beach, bro, when I was growing up.
I was watching Nickelodeon and all that kind of stuff.
They just had to have treehouses.
I was watching Solution Shorts, Keon.
I was a magic treehouse Dude this is cool that was a magic screw bus this this is wild uh dang dang look at that so you
wouldn't live in this though yeah yeah what about the termites though i know there's a product you
can buy that like seals the yeah that's where i would be like maybe for like a two night stay i
couldn't do this i'm sorry i can visit you i mean that was my part that i threw in there that was
kind of like i come visit you but i wouldn't sorry what i'd talk to you from the ground be
like hey how's it going up there right it's a good place to like escape from people i think
it sounds whimsical and good on the surface but yeah i don't know so they have these things on
like in in rockport and corpus where they have them like on stilts yeah for the person the floods
and hurricanes yeah so it's kind of like that but without the tree have you thought about that
that's really cool and would you live in one of those yeah yeah 100 there you go so you just it's
a tree part you object to not being off the ground because it feels weird but i was gonna say i
mentioned ash wednesday up there because that's like one of my most prized like books that i have
so i would have to take it with me because i picked up i happened to pick up a volume that
like had his signature in it oh really so yeah i had to do a research paper not original like
reproduced but it was still like this copy was like a very limited very limited run i did do a
research paper on him one time when i was a kid this is before chat gbt for the zoomers in the
audience it sucked i mean i mean it's like doing the research not learning about him but
did you ever do research paper on people like that keon um i didn't graduate from high school
i spent a lot of time not in school when i was supposed to be in school so i don't think i'm
I would hang out at the library.
I was a nerd.
You would hang out at the library?
Yeah.
Because I like to use the internet.
I was getting stoned hanging out with my girlfriend.
That's what I was doing.
Calm down.
All right.
This is when you know you're ready to move on because Keon's like bored.
All right.
We're going to go to the next top story.
I thought it was bored.
This is when you do.
These are the cues that I know to move on to the next story.
It's a good cue.
It was a good cue.
It's a good cue.
Hey, I know your quirks, man.
We've done this long enough.
We're like, how many episodes now at this point?
195.
It's a lot.
Week in, week out, ladies and gentlemen.
I bought my first scene, 7 common, set attack,
3,242 sets.
Key.
Blood Poet, what is this?
Yeah, well, this is, I think
Blood Poet should talk about this.
Yeah, what is this?
You were excited about this. You told me about it.
I actually know what it's about.
I can explain it, but go ahead.
Well, I really liked reading this because there was a lot of nice things about me.
It's been your week.
And it's been my week, and people have been so nice to me this week.
I don't know what's going on.
It's been an amazing week.
I'm not going to lie.
It really has.
I've had an amazing week.
For everybody?
Oh, okay.
Okay.
It's also been your birthday week, too.
But outside of that, it's been a great week.
I'm also happy that we're back in Austin.
Well, I just appreciated this because Sad Attack was talking about,
so he bought a zine because he was featured in the zine and i love that that happened
and then what was that one it's up there so this one no which one was he in this one
oh that's right that was about the trolley yeah the trolley and the sticker and and paying for
the sticker and i don't think that was wait was that actually his post go back for the love of
the game tofer for the love of the game tofer oh he's not here will you go back oh man dude this
hat is cracking up and reading us so much dude oh man this is so good i'm sorry for the love of the
game tofer come over here say for the love of the game please tofer sorry jenna come sit over here
just just say for the love of the game say the line barge say the line
say it say the line part what are we reading do you remember this oh man
wasn't this a sticker yeah do you remember what made you say for the love of the game
they were trying to sell this sticker for like a ridiculous amount
and i would be willing to just buy it anyway
oh my god no i think what i think what it was is uh
i think he we we all it looks like a dog
i mean if he walks this is probably what they would look like you know what i want for christmas
Guys, you don't want to laugh at Chris.
I just want this sticker.
I think he overpaid.
So the dude and us, I think we agreed that he overpaid for the sticker.
Or he sent him extra sacks for the sticker.
And Carr was like, what do you think about that, Topher?
And you were like, well, it makes sense.
Or would you do that, Topher?
And you're like, for the love of the game.
Always.
You got to keep these Bitcoiners in check.
You know?
Do you have channels open?
Do you have enough liquidity?
It's more than just a sticker, Car.
It needs to be that sticker, and it says,
For the love of the game.
Oh, my God.
Somebody, please.
You don't even know what character that is.
I don't care.
It's so funny.
For the love of the game.
Keon, you know that's funny.
Well, I don't laugh, but yes, inside, I know it's a little bit funny.
I mostly find it funny how funny you find it.
I find it hilarious.
Topher, right?
How much were we cracking up?
Oh, who, me?
Both of us.
Oh, was I cracking up?
No, I'm a stone-cold fox.
Oh, man, dude, it was funny.
Okay, I'm sorry.
Let's go back to Jana's post.
For the love of the game, let's go back.
Let's make a car crack up.
Oh, man, it was great.
All right, sorry, Jana, go for it.
This is all about you.
It's your week, girl.
This is your week, girl.
sweet girl damn the sound
in his voice it's nice
are we doxing Pleb Poet
a little bit? yeah we didn't say what day it was
okay alright cool
maybe we did it was Pleb Poet day
sweet girl
thank you
alright for the love of the game
let's keep going
you said they bought the first scene and then
we got distracted
all I was going to say was about this one more thing
I just wanted to say my favorite thing that he wrote
goes like this
where is it at
well don't scroll down
okay
the way she organizes
each individual post
with artsy competence
oh artsy competence
I mean that's
that's all I could ask for you know
oh this right here
the way she organizes each
competence
as a real treat.
Thank you for saying that.
Is he saying when you're doing
the Sagranus poster or is he saying when you're doing
the shipping, the handling of the package?
The shipping and handling is artfully
competent.
There's something about that.
Get the pleb poet's much.
I'm not going to pay
money for Hexed's.
Yeah. It's all the pleb poet.
It's basically, pleb poet,
you could argue
the articles and the zine like the negative space is the are the articles and everything oh yeah
because there's a lot there's there's a lot of pleb potent yeah you could kind of if you cross
your eyes you can't tell whether it's now i'm having fun yeah i know it's great yeah that's
what makes it better than the site is because there's this added layer of um yeah i think you
should i think you should name one of the zines this next few weeks for the love of the game
if i found that amusing i might and then have that have that dog
what if what if i bought an ad what if i bought an ad and i and i bought an ad with the thing
once it's bought i'm offended for all the ewoks in this moment oh is that an ewok
say the lie bart all right cool that was amazing uh i will just say that uh poet puts a lot of love
every zine that she creates yeah doesn't cost that many sats so if you haven't bought one just buy one
you flip through it it could be pretty quick but you know it's totally worth it for what you're
paying for is there one this week yes number 30 this one yeah totally worth it it'll brighten up
your day is it this one no it's anything just do it for the love of the game yes the love of the
game cheers oh wow what up dude this is why tougher is a class act this is why tougher so
So this is this week's zine.
For the love of the game.
For the love of the game, buy it.
For the love of the game.
What game do you love, Carr?
The Bitcoin game.
What game do you love, Keon?
It's for the love of the game.
Tetris?
Yeah, I like Tetris.
That's pretty good.
I love Sudoku.
Oh.
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that best facts and fictions
from your favorite pay-to-post Bitcoin-only forum.
you can be featured here by going to stacker news and dropping your knowledge
yeah so i picked up a bunch of trash off the street and i scanned it and that's what that is
this right here yep oh wow that was really fun i had to kill so many ants oh no for this
so ants died for this zine gosh it's cost making a zine yep gosh rest in peace ants
oh wow look at the back of that that's amazing yeah we're still doing classifieds
Oh wow, look
Looks like people are buying them
Yes sir, Context got it
Classified in there for his store
There's Bitcoin merch
There's room for love of the game
Please check it out
I think there's tank tops in there
I think there's journals or something
Or like his books
Oh yeah, book plus merch
Look at that, you're getting free
Free advertising
On Stacker News Live
Yeah
doggie write a short story with 12 words oh did you see that post that was cool that was cool
looks like it's gonna storm on us oh i hope so yeah it's that's making a great week i got some
chicken waiting for me at home so nice all right well that's all this is that all the stories we
have one more i think we have one more right research in public yeah we have meta i just
thought this was interesting um uh simple stacker did is continues to do their research on uh stacker
news data and found that uh when stackers become unprofitable do when especially when the price
is high they tend to leave um and i thought that was pretty or they come back when it's slow that's
funny yeah i thought that was worth mentioning they leave when it's high when the price is high
and they're unprofitable they're more likely to leave you gotta pay more funny right yeah in fiat
terms i was busy but i wonder if it was because they're either busy because it's high or oh it's
just because it's high and yeah i think it's because they're busy oh yeah could be they get
busy when it's high yeah i'm saying i think he's trying to draw like economic arguments
or economic reasons i wasn't on second news for like two weeks when the price was high
because i was busy i think he's probably i can only speak for myself but yeah i forget exactly
because i'm back now but the price is low a lot earlier when he posted this but yeah i think he
accounts for most of that kind of stuff oh yeah something to look into cool stuff uh let's jump
to the top cowboys
where's the top cowboys
I always mess up on this
top cowboys
this is
Keon's favorite segment
the most popular segment in bitcoin the top cowboys
I've had death threats
over this segment
they're so popular
what happened to your other head
sending me death threats
I thought I'd try the real cowboy hat
look at that
ready for the rodeo you kind of look like uh james no dean you look like a totally what's his name um
so you you just look way more professional now tom wayne people are gonna start taking it
seriously you better watch out i look like yeah i look like i could take you on uh i could be a
tour guide in australia definitely look more serious now are you gonna start wearing that
instead of the yellow one i don't know i always thought i'd try it out this time and what's the
animal that it's made out of it's made out of beaver fur beaver yeah high quality best beavers
in austin interesting yeah i think the guy who makes me he uh i've never even seen a beaver
oh i i see a lot of them on sixth street if you know what i mean whoa
so we're gonna jump into the top of your car without stories
here on stacker news uh keon you're number two who's number one i guess i think i know yeah none
of this has really changed that's what makes us so all the top 10 got the same hat as you or no
huh all the top 10 got the same hat as you not the top 10 anyone who held their cowboy hat for
over a year oh interesting at one point in time they will be getting a one of these so not the
top of there so who so we don't know because that's only private i guess no you if you go over
if you go to any stackers profile you can see what their longest streak was
and if it's more than 365 there's about there's about 12 stackers then you know am i one of them
oh no definitely not you have to you have to hold your cowboy hat for over a year consistently
split poet one of them where are you i'm not how many days i've only got like a month
I got four days?
That's bullcrap.
Go to your profile to show your longest streak.
Oh, because that's your current streak.
Yeah, that's your current streak.
So you can't have one of them?
Well, what's your longest streak?
Your big boy dog have one of them?
Well, he's not listening to us anymore.
Where is...
Does Max have one of them?
No.
Socks have one of them?
Very few people.
Only 12 people.
We need rules, Keon.
What do you need rules for?
How do we maintain a cowboy hat?
We don't even know how to maintain a cowboy hat.
the rules are pretty clear to everyone who's maintained one where are you at put poet i don't
see you on here there i am 26 oh there you go so if you click on hers where does it say 37 that's it
do you know how to maintain a count behind i do how do you do it i can't i can't say
this is stupid right it's an easter egg yeah yeah it's supposed you're supposed to kind of learn
41.
I don't even know how I did that.
What did my old profile do?
Nine days.
There you go.
He got high-risk for 41 days, and he lost it.
I don't even know how I did that.
That's why I go.
What did Undisciplined do?
Let's see.
Disciplined will get one.
Gosh.
We would have already got theirs.
Gray Rudi's got one.
Ciggy of course.
Coin reporter did one?
What's the longest possible Cowboy streak?
Crypto Sensei?
Oh, Crypto Sensei's going to get a Cowboy.
Nearly three years.
Okay.
Does Scorsby get one?
We introduced it a long time.
Scorsby hasn't even got one yet.
He'll be, yeah, he'll be getting one soon.
You know, he has 100 days left or so.
Optimism get one yet?
Optimism is not there yet.
Oh, wow.
What about 117?
Wow, 117 have one?
Do you think this color should change to, like, gold or something?
When they do get a...
I guess it could, but...
Just so we know that they're, like...
Yeah.
Anointed?
That would make sense.
Wow, that's crazy.
So what happens once they get the golden hat?
Once they get the hat, we send them the hat.
And then they have it for all of life because it's a beaver,
and so it'll last.
We ask them what their hat size is.
I wouldn't even wear the hat.
Would you show the inside of the hat?
Because I think it's pretty cool.
What's in the inside?
Yeah, it's got a number.
It's like all fancy up in there.
oh i thought you meant in here it's fancy in there that's all i'm saying it's like satin
that's a normal hat it's got satin i just want the sn on the outside it's pretty cool okay well
good stuff all right um i think that's all i got uh oh yeah uh let's do that
you don't have time to do that you gotta get going over there um
Keon
what do you do this weekend?
Oh
you know
I'll probably like continue binge watching
Star Trek
in between working
that's like my
that's how I really get down
most of the time these days
I don't know if I have anything else
that I'm doing
nope I don't have any plans
thanks for reminding me
what are you doing?
Keon do you want to go to like a coffee shop or something?
what would we do there well um just drink coffee
um maybe cool yeah see how hard it is to make plants
we go to a coffee shop it's just kind of boring there's a cup shop downstairs what about what
about if it's one you've never been to before have you been to mozart's i mean do they have
coffee that i haven't tried before yeah have you been to mozart's no what is it have you been to
their car it's on lake travis not travis austin lake oh where the fancy people live yeah it's like
a deck of water coffee roasters oh this is over there by um anyway it'll be really busy on the
weekend so fuck that idea yeah we could rent some jet skis we can yeah can't we well i i don't know
I got a paddleboard
Do you do that every Sunday?
Oh
I got a paddleboard does that count?
You guys are super fancy
I hang out in South Austin
I'm super pleb
Anyway
I probably won't hang out with Keon
But if he wants to
That'd be fine
It looks cool
We'll find something useful to do
Is that what we're aiming for?
I don't know.
Look at that view.
Where we don't have to entertain each other.
Look at that view.
We have no hope of doing that.
You could take one of those pictures.
We definitely could.
You could take one of those pictures.
You know, if it doesn't happen for whatever reason.
Yeah.
Oh, I got a question.
What are you going to be for Halloween next week?
Because next week is Halloween.
We got to do our Halloween episode.
Oh, is it next week?
Yes, dude.
We got to do our Halloween episode next week.
I need to go look and figure it out.
I'm thinking about being Neil Diamond.
oh yeah i see the similarity can i be do you know who deal nine minutes though yeah and i'll
be elton john i'm thinking about being neil just for the stackers who are at you're not gonna we
could go shopping for i got the perfect glasses to be elton john austin just gave me them for my
birthday you know diamond let me see if i can type it you didn't bring them i'm i did bring them but
i forgot them they were in my so i'm thinking about thinking about this as a get up it's like
something like a
sequence thing.
Like a young
Neil Diamond.
What do you think about that?
Yeah, do it.
I want you to be a mariachi.
You can be your dad.
Everybody wants me to be a mariachi.
You said you were and you have the coffee.
We're not being racist.
We just want to see it.
I don't believe that it exists.
I don't want to be a mariachi.
I want to be Neil Diamond.
I think you should do it
Last year I was Charizard
How do you manage to be a Neil Diamond
That'd be great
Wear something super handy
Wear something like that
Show the chest
I've never seen your chest before
The ladies love it
What's on there?
Chest
You just act like that, bring a guitar
You just do that
You never saw Savi Silverman?
This is where I got the idea
That movie?
yeah it's such a great movie like this is what they are like jack black is neil diamond
whoa i never saw that it's so good i should see that so i would just get like something like that
where i'm not gonna shave though yeah isn't that funny yeah that's what i was thinking
yeah that'd be great then people were like who's neil diamond what do you think kian
do you want to be neil diamond with me oh wait we have to uh there can be more than one yeah we
Yeah, if you're Elton John, we're going to do a whole 70s thing.
Okay.
It's going to be a 70s revival.
Ted, you in?
What are you going to be, Ted?
What are you going to be for Halloween?
I don't know.
It'll be a ghost.
I think it'll be hilarious to be on the old diamond.
It looks like it's just like some black pants, a sequence-like thing, and then like a nice wig.
And a belt.
Bell buckle, I think, is pretty important.
Yeah I can find a nice belt buckle
There you go
I'm gonna look sharp boys
Girls
Anyways that's what I'm thinking
What are you thinking
Yep that's a good idea
Keon what are you thinking
Of being for Halloween
I don't know it's kind of late notice
If I can find a Halloween shop
Like a rental shop
I'll probably do something cool
We do Halloween episode every year
I will do something
The Sackers were gonna be very disappointed
Oh you're right
what if you wear that hat and then you like dress like a beaver that would be pretty funny
i think i would i mean i could do that wouldn't be opposed to do that yeah i think i plus we got
to go to the we got to go to ted that's too hard it's too abstract we had to go to ted's
the best costumes are like on the nose like you you know they're wearing a costume car's gonna
show up and they're gonna think he he might have a different sexuality than he has that's mostly
about it i don't care it's halloween dude you're supposed to be silly i know but that's fine
that's what it's just hilarious i think it's good if you actually take it if you take it i mean i
could be it needs to be taken to i could be i could be negan and be super cool but i don't ever
do that again that was so upsetting to me when you're again will you but i could be i could be
negan again and be super cool but i'm like no let me just make a fool of myself will you wear makeup
does he wear makeup probably not now oh probably a little eye shadow maybe a little eye i'm good
but uh so what are you going to be so you're going to for sure though just so before we leave
you're going to be for sure wait why do i have to decide this now no but you're for sure going
to get a costume though yes i've okay okay i'm the most costumed person oh wow look at this guy
okay stackers you heard it here first i wear i wear a hat every kian guaranteed he's having a
costume next week i just want to make sure you're like one of the most because the stackers
the Snackers wanted to make sure
that they're going to see us
in full costume.
No, because you wear the same clothes every day.
So it's like you're your own character.
Oh, it is.
Yeah, it is part of me keeping
my character.
Are we done, Carr?
I think we're done.
Okay.
Snackers, have a great weekend.