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hello ladies and welcome back to another exciting episode of stacker news live my name is carl wf
keon keon how was your week it was great i didn't know what her starting but
oh i usually when you change your like tone that's how i it really lets me know my week was
So good.
There's so much happening around everywhere all the time.
And it really never ends up.
And it just keeps going.
Definitely keeps going.
And time.
I don't think anything really happened for me this week.
I don't think I did anything that anyone would call fun except me.
um so i have nothing to i have i continue to have nothing to share about my life how about you how
was your week it was good it was a busy week we had a bitcoin builders club on monday
with brandon keys then we had um what else happened this week that was great you did a
good job i told you oh your interview right it was good it was really good um what else do we have
and then just still kind of fixing up the lab a little bit we have a couple things
done and then yeah just it's just really busy and then last night i saw avatar
three right i dropped my review on stacker news i don't know if you read it or not but i did read
it it was very uh you didn't have many spoilers you warned about spoilers and i was afraid i was
totally spoiled it's a kind of like squinting as i went through it hoping i wouldn't get
but yeah a big spoiler but you didn't do a big spoiler it's just kind of like a way up i think
other people have reviewed it in a different way i think i was just reviewing it as the story
and the um just how it fit in the whole trilogy or whatever i read this morning though after i
had written and i'm glad i didn't read any of the stuff whatever but i read this morning that
they're not going to do four and five until like 2030 or something which is ridiculous
when did they release two?
like two years ago
okay
yeah like two years ago
he's been working
on it for like 30 years dude
just Avatar?
just Avatar yeah
no I don't believe it
yeah
okay well he must have big plans for it
but it's a lot
of big blue aliens
in just the span of two years
I mean for 30 years imagine just doing one thing for 30 years
I mean they should be really good but it sounded like you were kind of not
I don't want to don't spoil it don't spoil it for people that are watching this because they might want to go see it so
you have to read the post
it's there
other than that it was just good week it was just really fast
everybody's out of town
well I don't know
maybe Austin itself kind of clears out on holidays
which is kind of nice.
And the lab is sort of empty.
Yeah.
Yep.
But not completely empty.
We still got Space Ted.
Tuffer's in there somewhere.
Qualified Ted.
If you've never seen this crazy show before,
we're going to talk about all the top stories on,
well, not all of them,
the top three top stories on Stacker News Live.
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it's gonna be bad this is how this shows get bad is the more popular they get
the more just goes down the drain just remember this i said this how many subscribers do you think
we need to get invited to like a wef like babos type i don't think we're that far probably another
500 another 500 we'll go we'll pay our way i don't want to go to the wef really you wouldn't
wear you wouldn't interview klaus swab dude i got invited to the satoshi roundtable remember i told
you i don't i don't want to go to that dude podcast from epstein's island i don't want to go
to the other screen screen we should do that that's what our background i don't want to do that
anyway check out the check out the um check out the youtube there's a lot of videos wubble's doing
a lot of really cool videos here. Turns out
last week the most popular video was the Gen Z Retro Tech.
And we even got a comment that we're going to talk about later. So stay tuned for that.
But a lot of cool stuff. He's clipping them.
And with that, let's jump into the top three stories this week. The number three top
story is Banks and Strategy because that's what strategy is. From Bloomberg
Matt Levine. From Dan, 12 comments, $1,387.
sense guillem what's this yeah i learned some things on this one as i usually do from
uh these den posts uh den lilipon i think is my how you might say it um uh he he covered
matt levine this week matt levine i think in this is like a weekly newsletter where matt levine
picks out a bunch of articles that he likes and shares them uh he shared two stories from it the
The first one is about how banks aren't really the main people loaning money to businesses anymore.
And instead, it's more common, I think, now, or at least it's a growing trend,
that private firms, hedge funds, I don't know, other groups of non-bank financial entities
are who provide loans to other businesses.
And then, so what are banks doing with all their money?
that they're getting in terms of deposits
if they're not loaning it out like how we're used to them doing.
Well, they're loaning it to these non-bank financial firms.
So the new banks or the people who are serving the purpose of banks
get loans from the old banks
to be able to do their new banking activities.
And one of the reasons they're able to do it a little more easily
or maybe more economically is because they're not regulated like a typical bank is.
And so it's kind of a weird shell.
There's like a shelliness to this where regulations have created
like an arbitrage for private entities capable of getting bank loans
to take that money and then loan it out to people in the economy.
right now
I don't think there has been any
there's some
arguments to be had
or arguments to be made
that this actually is less risky
in many ways than banks doing this
more directly because
banks are kind of shielded maybe from
you know defaults on the loans
in a way because the private entity
is sort of in front of them
but I'm not really
i'm not i'm not certain that's true is this the same thing as like credit default swaps
or is it not that bad it's reminiscent because it's like there's just it's like layers where
it's actually harder to gauge risk like as as risk travels through layers and so uh you can be
you know you can be a domino very far down the line and not see like all the ones collapsing
towards you um versus if you're you know just if you are the only domino uh you can kind of see the
finger coming to knock you over um yeah so it looks like they actually made the was it the
dodd frank act in the u.s and it almost seems like that was supposed to reform a lot of this stuff
um i forget interesting i forget what dodd frank did specifically but i know it was talked a lot
about it was political election he said it was aimed to be transparency competition and
standardized rules to be to the derivatives market many of which have been absent since
the market's emergence in the 1980s um it was all because of the equity swaps in 2008 it looks like
and the credit default response to that and then it was like a systemic risk but remember back then
that was like 700 billion it wasn't even compared to now it's not even a lot of money uh it's kind
wild no i think that was that was like it was less than like half of one of the stimuluses
i mean yeah the near collapse of eig which had written over 500 billion in cds's
necessitated a massive u.s government bailout to prevent a complete economic collapse
wild uh let's see and then he also he also covered uh like the evolving strategy of micro strategy
where Matt Levine kind of educated us on the reality of MicroStrategy's situation
and that they were selling $1 of Bitcoin for $2 on the stock market for a long while.
And he warned us that the premium would eventually collapse as this went on long enough.
And it appears to have done so.
But it appears strategy is still able to make a little bit of money on this trade.
They're selling $1 worth of Bitcoin for about a 10% premium to the market.
And so, you know, the strategy isn't completely bust,
but it is not as lucrative as it once appeared.
And that might just be the reality of today.
And maybe, you know, it goes one way or the other in the future.
But yeah, and you're seeing a lot of people, no names.
We've seen a lot of people in this space who launched these treasury companies over the summer.
And now they're like, oh, we're going to have these services and we're going to do something with that Bitcoin.
It's not just going to be a.
Yeah, they're pretending now that they actually have a business.
Yeah, a business.
Because before it was all the rage to be like, strategy is old and dated because they have a business that they have to support in addition to their treasury.
And you see a lot of the people starting these new treasury companies and they pivoted away from that.
and they're like, no, we're a very serious Bitcoin company.
We have these, we're going to do these Bitcoin services and products.
They're very complicated.
They're too hard for you to understand.
They're so new and so revolutionary.
Like literally quoting someone who, a Bitcoiner who was running one of these on CNBC.
That's kind of what he was telling the people who asked him what exactly he's doing.
He's like, it's so revolutionary.
You guys won't get it.
You guys just want, it's like, it sounds exactly like a lot of the altcoin founders and CEOs
back in back a few years ago where it's it's all just baloney and they're just kind of
they're selling they're trying to they're trying to rob you and convincing you you're gonna you're
contributing actually some technological paradise that they're gonna create well i mean the great
thing is there's this whole segment of the ecosystem that is bought into that narrative and
whether you like it or not it's going to happen so that's a good thing the good thing for the
Snackers who are listening to this, they can see through a lot of that BS.
And if you're really serious about snacking Bitcoin, you just go ahead and buy it, it turns out.
Yeah.
Please don't get caught up in these treasury companies.
Scoresby had the top comment.
He said, this has been coming up a lot for me lately.
Society passes onerous, complicated regulations that causes market distortions.
Then society bemoans the market distortions.
the way levine talks about banks made me see a contrast with insurance that i hadn't seen before
banks have on-demand deposits insurers have on catastrophe deposits in general insurers seem to
have been able to work out the probabilities on how frequently they will need to pay out
what is it that banks couldn't do the same oh good stuff yeah i think we talked about this at length
ready to move on um the next top story this week was what other rabbit holes have you fallen into
this is from jason b 63 comments 3 295 cents kian what's this yeah so jason b has a rabbit hole
of their own it appears they're really into i i don't know what you'd call this uh field exactly
I think it's like ancient civilizations or sort of Graham Hancock stuff, stuff that I really like.
I've never gotten into it this deep.
I don't have books on it or anything.
But this kind of lost civilizations, I think, is maybe the usual term used to describe it.
And so I was wondering if stackers had their own kind of thing like this where we're all kind of pretty interested in Bitcoin.
and maybe we found a similar magnitude of interest
in some other area.
And it'd be kind of cool to learn that about each other.
So yeah, a bunch of people,
a bunch of stackers chimed in.
And the top comment was from Optimism.
He said, thanks to Bitcoiners copying the gold books,
how money narrative fallen into that rabbit hole
trying to find out what exactly.
Bye, Ted.
Went on prior to 1971.
Basically, how did the gold standard fail?
Yeah, that's a good one.
we always talk about that guy maloney he's he has a whole series on youtube oh yeah yeah the golds
the gold bug guy i jumped into that hard in like 2015 2016 that is a good uh a good series he has
there but i i don't know i don't think it explains but it goes definitively why it failed yeah but
It goes into the Roman collapse and all that kind of stuff.
Yeah, it goes into like why.
He didn't teach you.
I mean, at least I didn't learn in school.
It goes into like why generally gold standards fail,
but it doesn't answer what exactly happened in 1971,
I think is what Optimism is kind of looking for the answer to.
Yeah.
And then of course we had the Arctic exploration rabbit hole.
I guess he's talking about that guy who was a general or something,
and he went out to the antarctica and like uh what did he do i forget that guy what's that guy's name
i think it was in the 1940s or something i think he might be talking more more generally
in a high jump yeah this is feeling like a joe rogan podcast but yeah operation high jump
largest antarctic expedition ever establishing little america for training personnel testing
equipment uh organized by admiral richard e bird yeah 4700 men 13 ships and 33 aircraft
imagine that i'm sure score i'm sure scoresby knows all about that but yeah it does seem like
a lot of these a lot of our rabbit holes are opened up by joe rogan based on this but i
i would i would guess he's the king of rabbit holes i would guess scoresby did not get it got
into our exploration and then we got into a rabbit hole on the thing because the thing takes place in
Antarctica there's a group of us talking about the thing and that was a rabbit hole in itself inside
the rabbit hole which is kind of cool um i don't imagine there are any rabbits in Antarctica or
the arctic maybe there are no but there are snow rabbits are there yeah so uh white like white
rabbits they turn there are rabbits if you i watched the show alone and the rabbits when
winter hits they turn white they start off brown yeah is that crazy that is pretty cool right yeah
um and then you said you had like a whole list of things are you sure these just weren't hobbies
i think you might call those just hobbies maybe i just don't i don't have i think i just might be
so ashamed i don't have a like a proper rabbit hole i just had to make a bunch of i just had
to list all my hobbies out i think i i think you just listed hobbies it's probably true when i saw
i was like this is just a bunch of hobby skiing i don't know yeah it's hard to tell what's a hobby
and what's like a rabbit hole is when you like uh you don't use your life yeah it consumes your life
for at least a week like an addiction where it has to destroy it has to hurt your like your ability
to live a little bit yeah i used to get into creative rabbit holes um all sorts of creative
rabbit holes not like that but like uh like people or uh you sound like hobbies make car
No, no, it was in the creative bubble,
but it was just rabbit holes in the creative bubble.
If that makes any sense.
I've written a lot about it on Thriller.
But yeah, I would get into it for like a week.
Or I'd get into like music rabbit holes.
I'd just listen to like one band for like a week
and listen to the lyrics and stuff like that.
I really don't have that many rabbit holes I get into, to be honest.
Yeah, that's hard to...
I guess I lack the level of commitment to...
Yeah.
I don't know.
Do video games fall as rabbit holes?
No, definitely not.
I definitely get into a video game rabbit hole.
What in the cocaine rabbit holes?
It's like, no, you're just an addict, bro.
You're just an addict.
Yeah.
Definitely get into a video game rabbit hole if that's such a thing,
but maybe not.
Cool.
And then Justin Shocknett said, blacklisted by history.
Have you ever read that before?
I can't see.
No, I know Justin Shocknett's rabbit hole might be psyops.
I think he's mentioned how he's like a high-op spectator.
His football is politics, basically.
He likes looking at all that stuff.
Ah, it sounds so stressful, but I bet you got some people used to it.
Cool.
Yeah, great post.
The number one top story this week is the true and accurate history of HODL.
This is from Scoresby, 15 comments, 13,400 cents.
Keon, what's this?
Yeah, so I guess yesterday marked the anniversary of this post by GameKyubi, I think is how you might say it, where we get the term HODL from.
But they posted on the Bitcoin Talk forums about around the time that Bitcoin's price was crashing.
Bitcoin's price was crashing because there was an unintentional fork in Bitcoin.
I think the year was November of 2014, was it?
I can't see the post anymore. Let's see.
Yeah, December of 2013, I think the unintentional soft fork was in November of that year.
I didn't know that. I haven't done much Bitcoin historian, but Scoresby does it here.
In March of 2013, on the 11th, BIP50 caused a chain split.
And there was a 24-block reorg, which is a big reorg.
We pretty commonly have one or two block reorgs.
But I think as far as large reorgs, that might be one of the bigger ones, which is pretty bad for Bitcoin.
That means anyone who spent money on those 24 blocks or anyone who accepted money on those 24 blocks basically might not have received it unless it also ended up on the other chain.
So it suggests that maybe Bitcoin won't succeed.
And so Bitcoin's price crashed.
And then Game Kiyubi wrote his famous I'm Hodling post, which has a bunch of fun facts in it.
I think it's his girlfriend went to a lesbian bar.
And he bemoans not being a great trader because there are probably,
I guess, on these boards in this day,
people would brag about when they got in and when they got out
and how they're moving into one position and another.
Anyway very famous post and we all kind of use the term hodl And then Scoresby tries to trace why GameKiubi started using the term hodl and then i scoresby tries to trace why game could you be started using the term hodl um or even even try to make a post about holding and i it seems like
he was inspired by a zao tongued uh billy joel cover um called holding which he shared on he
shared the day before he wrote he wrote that post so we can thank zaotong for uh
zaotong perhaps for this game qb post um and i wasn't really aware of zaotong
were you i didn't even know that was a i didn't even know that was a thing i'd never heard this
side of the story before with the whole music stuff um i had no idea that even existed did you
know austin bitcoin club had video like streamed amas that was that he has a video there's a video
ama with um zoutonged from the austin bitcoin club back in 2014 oh wow and where is i believe
it's goldstein um it's in the middle so you go if you go up to the middle i think he's uh it's
in the zao tongs and zao oh the one in ut you mean oh the one that they did ut video ama from 2014
it's right you just scrolled past it it's right there yeah you just went over it with your mouse
down yeah yeah there you go third fourth paragraph yeah that's what yeah that yeah it's probably uh
probably the ut one i would imagine 11 years ago okay that's how tongs interesting yeah i guess the
The crowd, they basically would just ask him.
Do you remember Google Plus?
That was the thing.
That's funny.
I know.
Well, I still use Google Meet, actually, or Google Video or whatever it's called.
Anyway, very cool.
It only has 130 views.
That's wild.
Let's see.
Some of the other videos look like they had a decent crowd.
It looked like it had tens of people in it, which is pretty good.
Showing that Austin was popping as a Bitcoin place back then.
but I'd never seen this
I mean I never seen
I never knew these videos existed or Austin Bitcoin Club
was really a thing back then but I also just didn't know
like some of this history
Bitcoin Meetup
yeah Meetup Club
I'm less about
names but
25 subscribers
that's it
I think I stopped producing videos in like 2015
oh yeah
but really cool
I should go back and watch some of this.
I love how he has the mask on right in front of the camera.
It looks really cool.
Yeah.
Anyways, this is great.
Scoresby with another one.
Anything else you see here?
I think the excerpt from the Billy Joel interview,
or I think it was one of the producers of one of Billy Joel's albums,
gave a an anecdote from an experience they had when billy joel was writing a song um and that was
that was nice as well anyway the post is great i recommend reading it has a lot of facets to it a
lot that is was new to me there's uh there's a post here by scores we said this is cool didn't
realize that sailors fud tweet was the same day as game boobies hodl post um so say so
for the snackers that are listening
Michael Saylor is notorious for saying
Bitcoin days are numbered back in 2013
right around
when he was very
bearish on Bitcoin. He said
Bitcoin days are
numbered it seems like just a matter of time before it
suffers the same fate as online gambling.
Wow, reading
his own future. And then
Bitcoin News quote retweeted
it said Bitcoin history is wild, the birth
of the HODL meme and Michael Saylor's new
iconic Bitcoin FUD tweet both happened on this day, December 18th, exactly 12 years ago.
Yeah, kind of crazy. That happened on the same day. Maybe Michael Saylor is Game Kiyubi.
And he was just-
That was him in that sense.
Yeah. Well, that wasn't Game Kiyubi. That was Zao Tang's in the mask.
I don't know.
Game Kiyubi, I guess, did hang around the Bitcoin scene for a bit. But I don't think
they're really online that's game cuby anymore cool stuff um that was all the top stories this
week we're going to jump into um keon's top stories this week we can go into keon's uh your
first top story was squatting amsterdam episode two breaking into my house this is from bitcoin
graffiti uh what's this can yeah so this is the second yesterday um bitcoin graffiti shared
the first episode to this.
And I think they shared in some thread
that they were part of a squatting community in Amsterdam.
And then a bunch of stackers were like,
what, what is that about?
What is going on there?
Or he teased it, I think, in some drawing he did
because Beckham Graffiti will share pen drawings
and stuff in the art territory.
A bunch of people wanted to hear about it.
So he shared the background on it,
which is now, I guess, now okay to share.
It used to be very private because, you know,
it was like kind of secret what they were doing,
but it's been since made illegal to do squat.
Anyway,
it shares a story of how he got in the squatting scene and what that was
like and some of the rules behind the squatting scene.
And then,
and that was in the first episode.
The second episode covers his,
the first flat he squatted in.
So he was the one who initiated the squat,
the squat.
He's like squatters come and squat with you or.
Yeah,
they do it as groups, big groups of 30 people and they have a whole squat. Yeah. They have a whole
procedure. Well, they help you break in basically. They have a whole procedure where they meet up 30
people around the corner and they have all the things that they need. They have two people who
are dedicated to opening doors. Uh, everyone's ID and passport are collected so that they're not on
them. So the cops show up. Um, and then the 30 people are there to kind of keep the cops or
neighbors away from interfering with them, opening doors and getting set up. Cause apparently what
you have to do is you have to get in, you have to break through the doors. And then once you're
inside, you have to put in a chair, a mattress. And I think one other, one other item in order
for you to be able to claim that you're inhabiting, you were like legally squatting this place. And so
they'll get in. And I think they also barricade the door from the inside so that the cops can't,
like no one can come in and force them out. And then, and then at the end, once they're all set
up and they're in there and everything is like to the to the law like legally they are now the
occupant of that residence they call the cops themselves and then the cops document that they
inhabit uh that that unit now and meet all the requirements and now they have like a legal claim
to reside there which which is really interesting i had no way they pay utilities or do they pay
utilities uh i would guess they probably have to yeah okay yeah i would guess they do but they don't
they don't have to pay to live there as far as I know.
That's crazy.
Cause it,
it,
I think a lot of these squatting laws are premised on,
you know,
people not occupying a residence for over a year.
So I think that's part of how they establish whether someplace can be
squatted as they confirm that no one has been there for a year.
And they're just like,
there's someone who is like not using a great property or.
Yeah.
I used to be neighbors here in Austin to,
to a guy.
He was like an old Austin hippie,
but he was squatting at this lady's house who she let stay there.
I forget what the arrangement was,
but he was basically squatting in the backyard.
And so on the east side, you know how the east side has, like,
really long backyards,
and some people will build another condo back there or whatever,
a separate house.
Well, this one didn't have that.
It was just the house in the front and then that whole area in the back.
And I remember, because we used to talk to him all the time,
and he was like, he would tell us
he was like squatting in that backyard
and the police would come.
I remember seeing him one time
and they couldn't do anything to him
because he was squatting in the backyard.
I think that's a thing too in Austin
or maybe it was a thing in like the 2010s or whatever.
But I remember that was the only time I ever saw somebody.
But I didn't know what his arrangement was
because they couldn't,
she couldn't forcibly kick him out.
I think if someone,
everywhere squatting laws are different
And I think a lot of these laws were put in place back when there were like dust bowl towns and stuff where people would just completely desert them and like no one cared about them anymore.
And they needed legal rights for the people who showed up in their place.
And I don't think any of those laws got updated.
Then modern people have kind of taken the opportunity or seized the opportunity and tried to occupy these places.
But it's an interesting situation.
it sounds like the place they were squatting in that seems pretty legit like uh the person hasn't
been there for a number of years they're not they're not really keeping it up and they took
it they kind of took it over and there's a ton of those kind of houses in like middle america right
and like every town or every town that's kind of gone bust as far as like jobs and stuff there's
all those houses i know when i go when i drive down to corpus like it's just like
you pass through a lot of these smaller towns and you drive into those towns and there's just
tons of houses that are just like vacant so um yeah but i mean i think it's yeah it's probably
quite a bit less common in in like city centers yeah like this like it sounds like this is a
really nice place to live and people who own real estate there and that aren't occupying it are most
likely doing it as like an investment that they're holding which is crappy for local residents because
it increases the rent um reduces the housing supply that's wild i know that's a thing in
amsterdam oh it's so cool i just love the detail i would never i mean you know you could have
someone say they want squatted but we know how exactly how it worked and um it was like those
people they made a documentary i'd have to look for it but there's a documentary about some people
um basically uh here let me see if i could find it it was like a shopping center or no it was the
mall and then they squatted and made a uh well let me see if i can find it yes secret mall
apartment it was this one let me see if i could share this one here um go here and share it real
quick so is this this movie where they talk about like um squatting in like this kind of
of mall that they were doing construction still in and then like these group of people come in there
and then they just like set up and they live there and so they build like an apartment kind
of like what you said is like very similar but this happened in rhode island i guess oh um so
yeah but like see how they come in and it's a whole documentary on it but it was it was pretty
popular um i think it was last year i heard about it that's pretty fun rhode island is pretty posh
So it's not, you know, it's probably the type of squatting that other posh people would cheer on.
But look, like you said, they're just like climbing in through these things just to get to their squat position.
And then they have to like go past security and stuff like that.
Anyways.
Yeah, I think that's I think that's pretty fun.
It'd be cool to see a documentary on this, too.
That'd be interesting.
something i could totally imagine myself doing uh in another life my early 20s yeah
um the next story that you had was um vision dedication and love fixes this in bitcoin this is
uh from dagny 761 what's this can yeah so dagny is jason b's uh other half and uh she's she tells
the side of South Africa that she saw. So for the last couple of weeks, Jason B has been sharing
stories about his time in South Africa and trying to participate in the Bitcoin community. They're
trying to help them get miners attached to their growing solar installs. And his wife, with Nim Dagny
here, spent a lot of time homeschooling the kids, but adjacent to, or some of the kids, I think the
older kids were participating in this after school surf program. I think it's called, I think it might
be called Surfer Kids, but it's a local nonprofit in South Africa that takes, I think, troubled
youths or just youths in general. I'm not exactly sure the conditions, but they teach them how to
surf. They teach them how to skateboard. They teach them how to take care of the equipment.
and she details the whole experience
and what she learned from it
and how to raise her kids
and how self-perpetuating it is.
I guess a lot of the instructors used to be students
in the SURF program.
And a lot of them get pretty good
in their winning competitions.
And I guess it's adjacent to Bitcoin Icahsi.
So Bitcoin Acasi, I think, plays some role in, I guess, keeping this entity going.
And they have a lot of plans for it.
I don't know.
It seemed like she was really impressed and grateful for it existing and how much good it seemed to be doing.
It was just a really touching story.
Yeah, it sounds like a really cool community.
Yeah.
there's a uh i guess that's the language of south africa's is he is he who's a uh hamba
gathando means walk go with love um but really cool really cool nice um the next one i guess
you'd have another one after that let's jump into let's jump into my post real quick uh the first
one i want to share was did an early days with um uh lynn and israel i don't know if you ever met
them before probably not right they look too normal like i would i would be afraid to talk
but uh they uh they came on early days and we we talked about a lot of stuff like the
kind of like the transfer into bitcoin the venture capital in bitcoin um like what they're seeing as
far as like startups and like latin america and all that kind of stuff and uh we even talked about
like the startup ecosystem here in uh austin and other places in america it was a great podcast i
definitely enjoyed uh chatting with them um they have a lot of uh experience um over the years i
guess over the decades um working with startups and stuff like that and just really friendly people
really really friendly people in the bitcoin space they're based out of mexico he's based
out of miami okay and she's based out of mexico city i believe yeah okay cool a lot we all run
in the similar like friend circles uh yeah anyways check it out and then the other thing i wanted to
share was tab confs 2026 bill bitcoin open source software challenge so tab conf is um working with
chain code labs on doing this kind of like cohort on on months two and three but the first month
you're going to be uh participating with chain code labs to go through their their their boss
program and uh right now the applications are open but they're supposed to be closing here in like 12
days. So, um, Keon, you've taken the chain code labs.
I haven't done chain code labs a few, quite a few years ago.
It's changed quite a bit. Um, from what I understand, they've,
they've learned a lot and they've made it even better. It was already great.
Um, it was more of like a kind of like a college course type of environment.
When I took it, it sounds, it sounds like from, I think I asked, um,
Jonas, uh, why they changed the format.
I think he said that they noticed that after they had people through their chain code seminars that some of them didn't go on to contribute to open source.
And so this new course is geared towards more hands-on learning and getting them actually contributing already so that when they leave, they're ready to do it.
It's easy for them to chip in.
Yeah, I'd highly recommend doing this.
great bunches of people
both on
the TabConf side and the ChainCode
side. I probably can't
deal with better
more well-intentioned Bitcoiners.
Yeah, for sure. And then also
the really cool thing is like the first
month you'll be working with ChainCode
and then the second
month and third month
TabConf will help you get assigned
to an open source project.
And then they have a Discord now too
so definitely check it out.
um the other thing i wanted to mention was this one just because i think it's it's it's all over
the place and it's everybody's talking about it but uh scorsey posted this should big corners
play the appeasement game with the quantum flood people uh then he goes into some posts that were
shared on on x um have you looked into the quantum stuff keon uh it's like most of it's over my head
I kind of just, there are people that I kind of outsource my trust to other developers who I think have a good handle on it.
I think it's worth paying attention to and not completely disregarding.
But as far as I can tell, we're still, you know, half a decade, a decade away from there being a pressing issue.
but we want to be prepared and it seems like we have good things in place that's my take on it i
didn't pay attention to this yeah it's a lot of stuff going on twitter they're just like back and
forth and um it's the same cast of people um saying things but um i think that the scores we did post
this one by james o'burn he said anyone pushing the quantum narrative is knowingly or not
participating in a pretty nefarious rate on bitcoin it's bedrock deep fud that even smart
layman can't falsify and it may lead to the adoption of weak novel crypto within the world's
most valuable digital bear asset um which i thought it was interesting that he said the same
thing that we were kind of bringing up like two weeks ago about the dj bernstein remember that guy
and now he kind of called this out um on on on the stuff that he's trying to do and i think um
it kind of just kind of goes to the um kind of goes to what james was uh at least hinting to
about the um you know the the weak cryptography side of things um i think that's kind of interesting
yeah i don't think cryptography i think is just one of those things you don't want to rush
so uh you know i mean maybe it's worth rushing if if quantum computing is really here and it's
going to start breaking stuff that's old but otherwise you kind of want to play it safe um
because there are all of these incentives and weirdness you can't kind of trust
everyone involved yeah yeah cool the other one i wanted to i think actually i think that's all
that's all my posts it's all kian's posts let's jump into should we go into uh yeah let's just go
to some ant bitcoin stuff so did you see this one so this one's called adventures in extreme
vibe coding this was from still stacking after all these years and this post was fascinating
it's about this guy who loves his chinese food restaurant that he usually orders from and um
turns out they got hit with a health violation so he was kind of upset about that instead of
you know going to another chinese restaurant he said no no coop i going to find out what happened here And so he started vibe coding or actually he went to the Florida Department of Business
and Professional Regulation website,
and he found like this, I guess,
all this data that he could download,
and he downloaded it via CSV.
He fed it into an LLM, and then he started working.
But it turns out he was an engineer.
He's not like a developer.
but he said it didn't matter because he was vibe coding.
He gets to the point where he talks about it here.
He said, over the next several weeks,
what started as a single question
metasized into something far larger
than I had any business building.
He said that he basically realized
that LLMs don't just fail loudly,
they degrade quietly.
And he had this really great insight that I thought,
and I've shared it here.
yeah he said he said vibe coding is what happens when you don't actually know how to build something
but you know what the outcome should look like and you refuse to stop asking questions
until the shape emerges and uh by by the end he he says he uh he stops he stops vibe coding
um but he said he's probably just going to go back and self-reflect on all this stuff
um you got any thoughts on this i don't you know so i might well have a few but one of them is like
okay so this you know your first big attempted vibe coding failed i don't so what i don't like
most people don't succeed at their first big big attempt at anything um so that that's one thing
and then the other thing is like so i think i'll specifically get better at vibe coding as time
goes on and learn more about coding and what i need to do and when i need to interject and what
it's a prompt or whatever it's you know not that i think vibe coding is foolproof um but
that's one one thing i'd say and then what was the other thing that he the chinese food do you
think um oh i didn't have anything to say about the chinese food i mean it's probably a really
great chinese restaurant you know oh must have been to inspire it was a mainland chinese bistro
in coral springs a bistro that's that's fancy i think that's like european so it's like chinese
some really good news influence you know by european probably good probably good but uh
yeah i think i think uh i haven't done i haven't done the guys in the lab here have done a lot more
than this than i have but where they kind of really let an agent you know code its own thing
that I just don't I think you have to learn how to put guardrails in the right place and how to
give it what it needs to kind of progress in the right ways and it's like a skill yeah entirely on
its own dude I like and we know people and I won't say who but we know people that just talk to their
computer now and invite and it does everything for them that's how locked down they got it now where
um it's basically doing all the work and it's just it's just speaking what it needs needs to
get done yeah it's kind of it's kind of interesting um so that's cool that's that's kind of the elite
level where you could be at and then there's like the this level where he's just like doesn't know
anything just just a man in search of food it sounds like and answers yeah i think you it's like
hmm it's like you you kind of need to steer it i think is the main is what i've seen from people who
uh communicate that they have quite a bit of success with vibe coding is they like know when
it gets like blocked or it goes somewhere kind of strange they know how to they know enough about
the terrain programming technical problems so they know how to steer it back to where it needs
to go to make forward progress and be successful he did say that he started off using one particular
LLM and then he quickly realized that that wasn't enough and you need to switch to other ones to
verify what that one was doing. He talks about it in the post.
That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a great post.
Definitely check it out. I thought it was worth bringing up because we have a lot of people on Stucker News
that use AI stuff. Optimism said, pretty good observation
about the vibe breaking continuity.
And he said, Winter Yeti said, oh yes, I've seen this a lot
working in Java and LLMs.
You start off fine. Good beginner structure.
However, once you start working on tweaks and pushing
for detail, it forgets the original
structure and creates whole new bugs.
The optos that happens in
all languages. I've seen it happen in Python and
JavaScript too, even though those are the supposed
languages of choice for LLMs today.
Yeah.
Pretty cool stuff.
The next
one that we had was
this one i didn't get to look at this one all the way but it was a video reality test can ai
generated asmr videos for vlms and humans this is from optimism did you see this so you have to
identify which video is ai generated oh okay so they did like uh which one do you think which one
do i think is ai generated yeah um i can tell we're half the bat i think it's the middle one
i think it's the far left one let's see oh that's real wow you said the middle one yeah
oh wow you got that right see dang that one's real it just looked too good there were moments
there were moments like frames of it that looked too good the other one looked really bad so that's
no they're good dude it's like oh no maybe that's just reality everything's yeah it's like oh it's
like oversteers towards like perfection towards like you know like a still where a still is like
a photo yeah that you'd take i guess his knuckles kind of gave it away
it was like seven knuckles or something there um and then uh yeah so he keeps going and talks
about the data analysis for it and then there's some more tests down here yeah real or fake can
you tell the difference oh no i think the problem is just like seeing them side by side but you can
see here the real one is the one on the far left because it's reality and it's not perfect and then
the sword too is the one in the middle i mean and then the far right one you can really tell with
the water though like water is not that i mean it's not avatar you know look that's the kind of
water you see avatar right there yeah right ones yeah but in reality it just looks like uh there's
there's more chaos to water than yeah the ones on the middle right yeah and the intricate carving
the one on the left is real yeah those other two look real fake yeah there's like no uh impurities
same thing here with with wood the real ones the fake ones the one on the front right does
look pretty good though on this one uh no this those lines are pretty straight
Yeah.
Yeah, yellow is not that bright.
It has like an ombre effect.
I just don't, that doesn't seem.
Yeah.
And then the tomato slicing.
Can you tell?
Okay.
Yeah, tomatoes aren't that hard to cut through, though.
They are, if you don't have a sharp knife or a serrated knife.
But it would flatten, though.
Yeah, it would squish.
These are tough.
You can tell the far left one because his finger, I mean, I feel like with the humans,
like you can tell their fingers are normal right yeah i would guess fingers are dead giveaway
are kind of harder to do yeah anyways thought it was a really interesting post on uh can our eyes
just really see this stuff um yeah and this is you know this is as bad as it's going to be
yeah unless they run out of all the money that they have can't pay for those energy more yeah
um the next one is sarcasm the next one is wumble's picks let's jump into wumble's picks
the first one is chinese billionaires are having dozens of u.s babies via surrogacy
as from simple stacker 15 comments 1807 uh did you read about this one kian i did before simple
stacker posted this i had encountered this somewhere um but i guess what's happening is
there are a lot of Chinese billionaires who are contracting with like surrogate agencies in the
United States to impregnate lots of surrogate, like women who elect to have the children of
other people for money. And some of them are having quite a few babies via this route.
I forget exactly what the motivation
or why they are going out of the United...
Oh, because there are surrogacy laws.
There are laws against this in China.
So they have to view them in other countries.
And I would guess they do them
anywhere where they accept this.
But we do this in the United States.
It's legal.
And so they are going to these agencies
and asking for like 10 surrogate children.
And I think it's like $50,000
or maybe it's like $100,000 a kid, $50,000 of it ends up with a surrogate.
And I think the agency for placing them,
for doing all the middlemaning gets the other half.
But yeah, some people are kind of-
We're not Costco.
I forget what-
It's funny.
Oh no, the guy wanted a discount, I think is what ended up happening.
He's like, he wanted like a bulk discount.
I'm getting this many surrogates from you.
Can I get this for a little cheaper?
and she's like dude what is wrong with you um and then it covers like some of them having buyer's
remorse uh and you mean buyer's remorse well like you know you you buy five children and maybe
you realize that's more children than you wanted that's buyer's remorse like you maybe you didn't
want one at all maybe you just had you had a moment you know you were like underslept you're
on the internet and there's like a there's a website you land on where you could buy children
and you bought more than you wanted.
Or you didn't actually want to raise a child.
You just kind of, in that moment, you wanted to buy one.
But kind of wild.
Pretty wild.
You would hope.
The high-quality sons.
It's wild.
Yeah, I was really, there was a documentary.
All these surrogated kids?
Probably.
Gosh, dude.
Yeah, and I think they get the eggs of models,
and they pair their own DNA with it and stuff.
I think they do stuff like that.
I knew one guy when I used to do IT.
He didn't have a surrogate, but he did.
What do you call that?
He wanted twins.
He wanted twin girls.
So what they did is they went to a thing,
and then they like put that in his wife's whatever and then like out came the twins and then he told
us this after i had met the kids and i remember thinking i was like those kids are kind of odd
but i didn't know like instinctively i was like oh they look they seem kind of odd but i didn't know
why because they were twins or no because i just i just thought they were just kind of odd there
was something off by them and it was just more instinctual but then like afterwards like i think
it was probably like three weeks later he was like it was when we were like he was just like
in our little group and he was just like talking and then we're talking about something and then
that's when he said what i just said and i was just like oh that makes a lot of sense now
but i didn't say anything because that's right most people are most people have an instinctual
feeling about twins in general like um no identical twins oh you've met i haven't met
many identical twins in my life yeah but he wanted that he was telling a soul story but i
remember thinking like oh wow i did have like a weird feeling about these kids like when i met
them the first time they just didn't seem like you know like of this earth type of thing no i'm
sure they're fine i just wonder what but uh like did you see this one that's a weird that's kind of
that's kind of that seems kind of strange to go out of your way to have twins he was that kind of
guy he was like in the military and stuff that's interesting that's kind of that's kind of cool
i don't like it or you know like to have he had a wife though i know but his wife probably his
wife was on board with it yeah yeah but that's like kind of cool they aligned on but he was one
of those guys that got everything he wanted like i remember like because he didn't work with us that
long and then he got another job somewhere else but he was one of those guys that would say i'm
gonna do this and then do this and then do this and then he would just do it it was just very much
like um just matter of fact that's cool so just a man in charge wants twin girls i mean that's
specific so i wonder how they had the twin girls feel about it though because i know something they
knew like they probably don't know they probably know eventually a lot of twins don't like when
they get older but even elon musk is doing this look that's intentionally having twins
donald trump right there he was a surrogate wait what no i'm just kidding uh he's like yeah he's
intentionally doing the same thing with well he's trying to have a lot of kids with women yeah but
that's not the same as having twins well no i'm not talking about the twins saying the same thing
as other billionaires are doing in china no i was and i was gonna say before there was a documentary
about men who go around to sperm banks and just give out an abundance of spooge like all around
everywhere and just keep donating and keep donating and keep donating to the point where
they have hundreds of children i feel like you're gonna get me down to talk about something i don't
want to talk about but but it's so interesting and there's a guy i guess the guy from telegram
the founder of telegram he also does this all right stackers if you're listening this for the
men women close your ears get ready our seed your seed is very important like very important
i don't know about mine but um like you talk about rabbit holes i went down this rabbit hole
we talk about it sometimes we don't have to share all of it keon so but i will say like dude conserve
your seed man oh you're talking about retention i'm talking about conserving your seed like you
can't just be out there just giving out your seed to everybody is that what it looks like
no but i'm saying even having that that self-discipline to not do that as well too
is also important because that's something that helps your creativity it helps your
your spinal cord like if you look into it like the the seed that you have as a man
it can it can produce life man yeah that's all i'm saying it's very important
yeah the brain has gray matter so don't just give it to a sperm bank that's diluting your
white matter too yeah but i i i don't know it's like a gangus khan syndrome like i can like the
the guys who oh this the chinese billionaires there's i think a little bit not no i didn't
mean this racially but like even for like the telegram founder or any of the guys who like
donate a lot like elon musk i think there is like a little bit of like part of that part of elon
musk is concerned about the population and i buy that but i think another i think it just feels good
to have copies of yourself everywhere i think i think he's just playing the odds right like he's
just saying that one of these has to run my company one day i need it that's part of i think
that's what he's doing like elon elon musk especially i don't know about these other
billionaires but i would imagine elon musk is looking for somebody to pass the baton to i must
feel like he doesn't he doesn't do i feel like he isn't that kind of like nepotistic type of
billionaire it seems like he i don't i don't imagine he runs it doesn't seem like he runs
his companies like they're an empire it seems like he's just destroying himself by running
i would think so i mean all the other billionaire billionaires have done that whether it was ford
or like even the walton i feel like a lot of them are not like i feel like elon is like a
weirder one where it's like a sort of self-sacrifice type maybe he's trying to go to
mars and just have leave his kids there just stuff them there to start population yeah maybe
wants to start a whole new race a whole new alien race come back time travel anyway but uh anyways
i guess that's also part of the motivation for the chinese bill was to continue their empire so
wumble did have a question here he said a real issue or non-issue for the usa oh for chinese
billionaires to be like uh occupying all these wombs like with their own seed i don't hear anything
Let's go into detail. He just said real issue.
USA, USDA grade American seed.
Do you think it's a real issue or not an issue for the USA?
I don't know. Is there a womb shortage?
Like, are we, do we have like, is it like housing supply issues?
Is it like a NIMBY thing? What is going on? Like, I don't,
I suspect it's not much of an issue.
Maybe it drives up the price a little bit.
I mean,
you would hope that a lot of people that are getting surrogates either
they have a medical need for them
or some other reason to need them
other than they want an 11th child
to be raised by a nanny.
That's what you would kind of hope.
Otherwise, I don't really know
why it's much of it.
I think it could be a real issue in America
if it catches on and people start doing that here.
I think that's a real issue.
You lose all sorts of family dynamics with that.
um like you you import that kind of thinking here i see i could that's where that's the only thing i
can see um just answering the question that one had yeah if you're abusing your access to surrogates
i could see that becoming a problem like culturally being a problem but i also you know some i think
it just makes sense for some people where the woman doesn't want to carry the the child for
whatever reason or can't and you know that seems i'm glad it's legal i'm glad people have access to
that without having to do weird things yeah the other one the other wumbles picks that he had was
doubt about private channels this is uh in the bitcoin beginners territory uh three comments
110 cents keon what do you think this what do you think about this yeah so it looks like
someone with the NIM3B
has a private channel
and they're wondering how it works when they receive
SATs and whether they need to have
the person who's paying them needs to have a private
channel or what needs
do they need to have a direct channel with whoever
is paying them
and the main thing
to know about private
like private channels, private lightning
nodes is
the sense in which they're private
is that you don't announce that your node exists to the rest of the network.
So if I'm running another node that's independent of your node,
and your node is, you only have private channels,
you don't announce your channels to me.
I'm not aware that your channel exists.
So when you request payment from me,
I don't know even where you are on the network.
I don't know who your channel partners are.
I don't know how to get money to you.
So that's kind of, I guess, the nature of a private channel.
so when you but you but a lot of people have private channels most mobile nodes actually
you know finks if you're using finks on on mobile you're you have a private channel directly with
async their um phoenix is lsp um and you said sphinx you mean phoenix phoenix i'm sorry that
was 2020 uh brain slip um yeah so uh when you but when you so when you request payments to your
phoenix wallet what you in the invoice you communicate that the payer should send money
to async phoenix's lsp uh and then phoenix's lsp knows how to get the the rest of the like the
payment the rest of the way that last mile to you on your private channel. And so that's basically
what is going on. DarthCoin communicates that you can create a key send. You can create a key send,
I guess the person paying you can create a key send, perhaps if you give them the hints of how
to get to your node. But I don't know exactly how you do that. It'd probably be somewhat of
a manual process. But when you have private channels, by default, your node will create
these routing hints these hops that people will go through to pay you And so it actually not not not you shouldn be concerned that you won be able to get payments because your channels are private you just won route people won route through you that the main
difference the other you get a question too with this one this is wumble's question what are private
channels and should the pleb note operator consider doing private channels okay so we
described what private channels are right um what should they do with private channels or no he said
should he said womble's question was um should the pleb note operator consider doing private channels
uh well it depends on why they're running the channel um if they're they want to route stats
and earn quote-unquote yield uh from routing other people's money through their node then you should
make those channels public. I don't, as far as I know, there's no way to otherwise get, uh,
sats routed through you. Um, but if you're just, if you're like, if you're looking to receive money
and kind of don't want your node to be well known on the broader lightning network, uh, yeah,
I think you, you should run a private channel. I think most people, most, the way they're using
lightning should probably only have private channels. There are other reasons to have
private channels like stacker news's node has private channels with a few key nodes um
because we know a lot of our customers have accounts with those nodes and we don't want
other people in the lightning network um using that liquidity when we want it we kind of want
it reserved for our customers and we want to know it's there um so that's like another reason to have
private channels at least one way that i found myself using them but i think yeah read it arthur
read darth coins guides if he hasn't already ordered you to do it yeah good posts good wumbles
picks this week too one spicy one one um informative one uh i think that's all the
posts we have this week we're gonna jump into well let's go this let's go to the zine first
so Plead Poet dropped a zine right before the show
this one's called It's Frosty Holiday
with Snacker News
yeah
what do you think about this Keon?
pretty cool
Plead Poet told me that she made a bunch of paper
snowflakes
I think is what they're called
whatever
and yeah
those are all featured in the zine
so you can see some handmade snow
oh right there
yeah there you go on the back right there
I guess there are other places where they appear,
where they're quite small and just kind of don't really appear as snowflakes,
but she was proud enough to mention them.
So I mentioned them to you.
I haven't taken a look at this issue yet, but I think, oh yeah,
there's a gift basket that someone shared on Agora that they're selling.
Froster's release, which was shared last Friday.
Yeah, really cool stuff.
uh if you want to check out the rest of it definitely get yourself a zine and um yeah
really cool stuff the other one was meta you had like two meta things this week one of them was a
snacker news release um what's this one kian yeah so we've been sort of teasing the editor for a bit
um we thought it would be done about or we we planned on having it done about a month ago
because it was basically a feature complete about a month ago.
And then we realized there was this one part of it that we wanted to redo.
And so this release primarily features that thing that we wanted to redo,
which is where we convert Markdown into this WYSIWYG format.
You can kind of imagine you have a Markdown document.
You're trying to make it so that it looks like something on Google Docs looks like.
And so that's what this release does.
we basically replaced what was before a static preview
with something that eventually you'll be capable of editing.
And that's, yeah, kind of hidden.
What did that?
Oh, you clicked on that old post.
Yeah, and there were some of the posts this week.
You can see some of the top posts had little bugs in them
from some of this new release.
but otherwise it's been pretty solid and pretty awesome and it has it has a number of advantages
despite being really powerful um yeah i saw this paper clip now now there's just an upload file now
yeah we thought the other the other one was a little confusing we decided a while ago
uh it took us a bit to get around to changing it but the editor it's like he's made it look
a lot the same but otherwise it's complete it's completely new um that's kind of how we plan to
roll out the next stage. I think our next stage, we plan to add a Markdown toolbar to help you with
Markdown. And then after that, we'll make the preview editable. And that will also have a
toolbar and it'll basically be sort of Google Docsy where you can just have rich text that you're
editing. And then after that, we'll start adding new features that we've never had before, which
we already, Sox has already developed a number of those. And this release also has, I think,
a few things we didn't have before one of them is check boxes um which aren't super helpful for us
because like you have this edit window or you can't check them but it could be useful for
communicating something i think another thing is our table of contents got i think it got a makeover
um and now is like collapsible there are probably a few other things that made it into this release
but really cool stuff i remember i remember seeing whizzy wig editors like when squarespace came out
and using them that must have been the early 2000s or whatever it was i remember thinking like oh this
is interesting this is an interesting way to make a post and then everybody kind of adopted it so i
definitely think it's going to lead to more um more posts probably just because it'd be a lot easier to
get your creativeness out yeah but hopefully easier for people to express themselves i don't
feel like they have to learn another markup language to do it um yeah it should be should
be cool and without i think the when we because we did two i think it was two years ago we did
this little beta and i just got scorched in the comment section where people are like don't do this
absolutely not um so this one that one yeah um and i worked on it for two weeks and it still
it still sucked hard enough um i remember that i think i think i don't i don't see a screen yeah
uh screenshot in there maybe uh i don't think i don't know there we go there's some screenshots
i remember this yeah i got some toolbars and then yeah this is rich text right
yeah and this is me attempting to like do basically do what socks perfected in this release where
you take you take the rich text you convert it to markdown you try to convert it back to rich text
uh it was extremely unreliable and that's what you know socks ran into the same issue and then
we're like okay well how would we solve this if we were you know if we were experts what would we do
and we figured out a way to do it um that someone who was specifically designing for this would do
and it works really well and socks made it really nice to be able for us to be able to extend it and
make saccharine things with it um 2023 that was a long time ago yeah i mean not not actually
you can't you you remove the wallet years from where we were working exclusively on wall that's
actually it's only six months ago so yeah yeah pretty interesting i wonder if we talked about
on staggers live i'm sure we did um yeah and then the other one that i wanted to share was one that
and did you see what jimmy posted right before the show so hacker news honest edition so somebody
made this website it's basically where you click on this where it says you know says we broke
the internet because nobody checks dependencies and then you click on it and then it takes you to
oh no that's that's a wrong example here let me go back oh do you not all it's doing is changing
the titles yeah it's changing the title so amazon finally adds a feature that has been standard
since 2005 and then you click on it and then it basically changes the title for for the thing i
thought that was kind of funny well yeah no it's just making it's taking all the hacker news posts
and their and their titles it's like replicating hacker news's front page and it's making snarky
titles in place of the normal yeah how to know when the cops are speed trapping you
and then this is designing a passive lidar detector device um i guess i guess it's a way
it's kind of saying that it's um how do i say it's kind of just being uh snarky a little bit
yeah it's just a it's a kind of a just a fun jokey thing yeah like how how would you how could
you otherwise frame this content in a way that's sort of fun this one politicians who can't use
email try to ban the internet and then it goes into legislation anyways i thought that was
interesting interesting meta it's cool uh the other thing was i think i think that's it i think
that's all the posts that we had today let's jump into top cowboys baby the most popular
segment in bitcoin that everybody i think there's a fight over the weekend wasn't there a fight over
the weekend with darth coin and watching boog arguing about the top cowboys or something
I don't know I wasn't in that fight
It was in the saloon it was for everybody to see
All fights happen in the saloon car
Yeah but it was pretty bad
It got out of hand a little bit
It went like 5 pages deep or whatever
Anyways
Yeah I feel like
Somebody unmasked here
Was it we all satoshi
Unmasked
They changed here
They might have
It does look like there might have been
Yeah I don't know what I call
the crypto sensor being that high but they've they're pretty high up there people unmasked here
unmasking right before christmas yeah but uh looks looks pretty stable and i don't know
we don't know who that is it's not kub it's a great mystery i don't have an idea of who it is
but it's either i think it's have it down to two people actually three we'll never know
I guess not
I think sometimes they
unhat themselves
or they
they hat themselves
on my show
I don't know
we got Public Enemy
number 12
Coins Reporter
number 15
Simple Snacker
16
still stack
Womble 17
oh wow
Womble's coming up
what's that
oh you're right
dang
got Plot Poet
number 23
real Bitcoin
dongy
haven't seen in a while
they're sending their health and oh they're pushing goodness yeah the pounds are coming
back on a little bit they got climbing back up they gotta get shredded again zero x big corner
33 end of the mic 35 we got nout down there at 38 belt curve 39 are you surprised no one has
really changed their profile pictures not really i would guess most of them haven't even noticed
because you don't really see profile pictures on stacker news unless you go visit your profile
or you're on mobile so i guess that's what we have socks at 47 socks or is this very traumatic
for them to lose their profile yeah even jimmy song hasn't changed his profile picture or evan
that's interesting hmm um shock net at 74 and the last one is 02834 number 83 interesting
yeah and that's the top cowboys this week uh let's jump into
where is it at oh man i lost it i lost it oh there it goes let's jump into
um youtube comments this week we had a one from why do gen z have a growing appetite for retro
tech.
And this might be coming from a Gen Z
can. I don't know if you can read that,
but he says
he agrees with me,
basically.
Is that what he said?
Yep.
He said, modern tech
does
it explain to you that you don't
own it. Netflix takes away the TV shows you're watching,
game companies shut down servers
that you're playing, Microsoft Forces updates,
you say no to retro check does none of that if you buy it you own it it doesn't record your
conversation it doesn't force ads on you well some blu-rays do i had to sit through a couple
ads on a blu-ray the other day really yeah holy crap like trailers or no real ads no it was just
like it was on the fast and furious blu-ray it's kind of a bummer anyways other than that i mean
it's fine because you can't skip it either um compared to speaking docks that you are fast and
furious on blu-ray dude it was fast furious kind of day i was i was talking about it like because
there's a scene there's a scene where you literally let me see if i can find it which
days are fast and furious days that's what i want to know well what mood should i be looking for a
fast and furious look so it's this scene right here like so this scene in fast and furious
i can't do it anyway there's this whole scene where he's like he's like they get in a
lamborghini or whatever and then they're in a skyscraper and then they're like jumping
skyscrapers and then paul walker's last one and he goes cars don't fly dom and dom's like watch
this bro hold my beer and he jumps over the skyscraper and you think one's enough no he
goes for the second one two skyscrapers two skyscrapers anyways yeah you only get that on
blu-ray that's pretty cool yeah i did they did turn into like the avengers with cars like that's
basically they go to space yeah i don't know if they're making another one they should they should
just finish off the because it left with a cliffhanger i don't know if you know this but
the only way it can go is left with a cliffhanger they like it becomes like uh back to the future
where they like oh they go back in time yeah they turn their car into like a time traveling car yeah
i feel like they could just do like a you know just like go back to the roots no not even that
i feel like they could just do like a um like a show it should just be a show like fast furious
the show or something like a netflix show or something i mean they have the budget
yeah i just like i think what i liked about the first movie i think what most people liked about
the first movie was the like underground car culture like that was like cool but then it
turned it just turned into like yeah i think that's more vin diesel than anything like he's
like trying to make it big familia that's the whole thing of the movie it's about is he like
an important is he making a lot of decisions behind this i think i think he does make a lot
of decisions by the scenes from from what i've read okay anyways but yeah he's right what do
you think about this what do you think about this guy who uh or lady said um you know um
yeah i definitely i don't own it i definitely agree that you own stuff that you own uh i you
But I think there are trade-offs being made when you have to carry around a DVD collection and that kind of stuff.
And maybe you'd rather not own something and not have to carry around a DVD collection.
They're pretty cheap.
They're like 50 cents nowadays.
The next one was from, we got the Fountain Commons,
Zapp, stay in your lane.
And then Undisputed says, challenge accepted car.
What do we agree to?
What challenge was that?
I don't know.
I think you guys are going to arm wrestle.
I remember challenge accepted.
Was this the one where you're ripping him on the podcast?
Was it that one?
December 16th.
I don't think I ripped him.
He's challenging you.
He didn't even mention me.
Oh, was this the one where we're going to swap places?
We're going to swap shows?
Oh, I think so.
I think that's what you said.
I'm down.
Let us know when's a good one for you all.
We'll cover Stacker Sports.
I'll cover Stacker News Live.
Yeah, it would be kind of funny.
or maybe we just start off by inviting them on the show first and then they
you know maybe they can do it maybe undiscipline can come on and be a special guest but he doesn't
show his face though so we need we need an avatar form or something yeah yeah anyways get a mask
that's all we got this week keon what do you do this weekend oh boy i think i'm actually going to
set up my office this week i haven't still haven't done it oh really yeah it's just everything is
still out of boxes but not anywhere so i think i might have the time this weekend finally and i'm
looking forward to that yeah not not sitting in a mess every day uh yeah it is way on you after a
while like me me and austin cleaned up our whole site over here so it looks way better now yeah
definitely get more work done this way exactly there's like nothing it feels like you got
things off your to-do list and you're kind of free um i don't have that feeling right now but
yeah that's what i plan on doing that's my exciting weekend how about you car i'm gonna
tomorrow we're like remember i was telling you my um my cousin's um stepdad passed away like i don't
know like maybe like almost a month ago yeah so they're going to um do his ashes tomorrow
so i got to do that tomorrow morning i don't know how long that's gonna be but i'll do that on
saturday and then um church probably on sunday so it's gonna be a very somber weekend i would
imagine probably gonna be hanging out with my cousins all weekend because um because of all
that stuff but uh yeah yeah it took it took forever for them to um to give him the ashes
because apparently like um nowadays like you have to be like clear all sorts of things or whatever
like paperwork and stuff well it wasn't in that like my cousin was telling me that um
they had to like verify that it was him and like social security number was out and like all that
because i guess you could steal identities and stuff like that oh do you think you guys got
like racially profiled no i think it's just it's a very common name oh that yeah that would make a
lot of sense yeah so they just wanted it because there's not like a dead body that you can go to
and like you know verify sooner yeah yeah that kind of makes sense where are you guys spreading
the ashes or how is that i don't know if i should say because it's like what if somebody shows up
and then oh i didn't realize it was like a physical i thought it was like the ocean or in a field
Oh, no, it's here in town.
Okay.
Yeah, I'll tell you next week.
Yeah, we'll see how that goes.
I've never done one of these before because we usually, in my family or my side of the family,
we usually bury everybody.
But yeah, it's for some of our been apart or something like this, but it'll be different.
Anyways, outside of that, just work probably.
Some more work.
Work, work.
Yeah.
cool
stackers have yourself a great weekend
and then is it Christmas before
when's Christmas time is it right before
um
is it Wednesday or Thursday
I don't know
what if it's Friday
let me check real quick
stacker news it's Christmas
Thursday
Thursday would make
Thursday
let me see here
yeah it is Thursday
So yeah, I guess we will
Merry Christmas, Stackers
Yeah, I guess we'll do it on the 26th
So we'll do it the day after Christmas
Boxing Day Stacker News Live
Yeah
Cool
Keon, zap