live from plan lab in austin texas this is stacker news live
hello ladies and welcome back to another exciting episode of stacker news live my name is carl
hope you have a key on oh oh there you go that's why i couldn't hear you can you hear me good now
yeah i can hear you good cool well i guess we started yeah how was your week fine hot uh i think
it was pretty good i don't again i don't remember much of it but you know most of it was spent in
my office staring at the inside of this basement but uh the weather in austin has been good
no one cares but it was pleasant here um how was your new year's my new year's oh yeah i had a
cheeseburger did you get into got i got into a cheeseburger there's a burger place here that i
go to that has a monthly uh burnt like special uh-huh burger of the month and that was my
my special new years oh cool yeah that sounds great it was it was very exciting
people were cheering me on when you're eating the cheeseburger yeah just like yeah i think so
never heard of that or yeah i don't think that happened but yeah that was you know sometimes i
That would be nice.
Anyway, how was your week and New Year's?
The other person.
I feel like I got something off here.
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Let's see here.
We're doing it live, huh, Carr?
Well, settings seem like they've changed.
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that looks good oh that's why we have the delay today i got it
okay well uh how is your check on their phone to see if it's uh recording our sound
yeah we've been did he use the same mixer thing yeah but i'm trying to but it's not showing up
as the usb and i don't want to unplug everything unless it's actually uh working yeah it just
just wants to know audio is coming out other places doesn't sound like it's coming out
yeah all right cool there it goes awesome we'll keep going um everything sounds good
yeah if you've never seen this crazy show before it's called tiger news live
and we have cats cats that who land on their feet look at that look at that image
we don't have cats we should get a lab cat no like one that's like close to die
like we adopt it that way if we need to move we can just no it'll be dead
yeah do you think that cat's gonna land on his feet i'm not disturbed
why does the ufo look like a turd he like may like situated the turd that's not that
oh what do you mean the because i like all i look at is the turd part i don't read the caption i
don't know the context because it was just like it was just a rock and then it was a rock that
harvard guy was trying to spin psyops it was kind of dumb it made him really look dumb i don't we
don't know that he wasn't right what are you talking he wasn't it already passed like all that
he predicted two of these were like yeah but it's just because it passed and it didn't like probe
you in your sleep doesn't mean that he said he literally said they were space or space uh ships
he didn't literally say they said that they were going to deploy spaceships to earth okay we're at
the part where you just where you just i'll find it i'll find it and then i have to tell you you're
not blinded you're making things up and you're like no yeah okay yeah i'm sure i'll spend all
night writing a research report for me we'll literally find it where he said that he was
he could he could just continue to lie to us all right now oh man that's right buddy yeah how you
how you doing today car how was your new year i was doing great but apparently uh you want to push
the alien psyop but i'm going hard in 2026 dude yes i'm not standing for this um we're if you've
ever seen this great show we're going to cover the top three stories of the week the number three top
story this week is squalny episode and part four the return of the squatters keon what's this yeah
bitcoin graffiti back with another post so this uh that i think we've been covering these each week
so far so we should have a nice little series here but uh last week in bickering graffiti's
squat in amsterdam's first squat they got kind of forced out by the mafia that owned the flat that
they were in and then also there was like a renovation of the unit so they kind of legally
didn't have a right to be there anymore which they're kind of sticklers for um and so they
they moved out of there but uh they then proceeded to squat in an abandoned pharmacy
i guess this takes place roughly around the financial crisis and there was an abandoned
pharmacy that one of his housemates uh who i don't who i think is just a housemate and not
a partner i don't really know but uh they spotted a empty pharmacy in another part of hamsterdam
and they proceeded to squat in that and i guess it was i think he said 200 square meters which is
lots of feet um and i think it's a 200 square meters on the first floor and then it had a
basement of equal size i guess this is a picture from one of the first nights they were there where
a lot of them occupy the room or like sleep there you have all your friends sleep over so that it's
harder to get you out of there um and i guess he went and looked through some of his old boxes and
found the squatting man one of the squatting manuals he had i think this is a an abbreviated
version um what like a beginner's version and i guess they have a more detailed version that has
more stuff in it but this episode he covers them getting into the pharmacy um and then how they
ended up staying there i guess the pharmacist or not the pharmacist the real estate person who owned
the pharmacy, they were cool with them squatting in it.
They made an arrangement with the real estate agent,
made an arrangement with the squatters such that squatters would allow them to
show it to potential renters and move out if someone did agree to rent it.
But in the meantime, they wanted to be able to comfortably occupy the pharmacy.
And the real estate person was cool with it.
So they were able to do that.
What else happened that I'm trying to remember?
Oh, yeah.
At the bottom here, you see they had a giveaway shop where they just give away things for free.
I guess they had like a room, maybe one that was facing outward.
I don't know if it was.
These aren't pictures of theirs.
I think it's another one in town.
But I guess two days a week, people could come and get free stuff and people could drop stuff off.
so it's kind of like a thrift store but free um oh and then he also details how some of the other
squatter like french squatters who occupied two other places on the exact same street
uh and them like partying with them i guess he had like a spiritual mdma experience and
had six months of afterglow but it sounds like it's a great fuck it it sounds like an awesome
time i just read um doctor's book that has that's that it's just like it's causing flashbacks for me
of that book what was it called walk away which is sort of like a squatting book like this is
exact this is almost exactly what happened or the like the vibe is identical to what happened
and walk away.
This guy's really living a story.
What's this down here?
What's what?
Where?
You mean the picture that we're...
He said sneak peek.
Oh, yeah.
So he published another episode.
He called it a bonus episode.
So I wonder if he's going to later detail more.
But a few days after this, or a day or two,
he um he posted uh pictures of the guide some of the like other papers that he had from around the
time like when he was in the mafia flat one of the neighbors wrote to like the local government that
the flat had been empty for a year which is like required um so he shared that note he shared some
other notes he like his research notes on places that he was going to squat in that he found in
those boxes so that's what that is yeah i feel like we're gonna get a squatting territory here
pretty soon i would guess not but uh it's really not a whole lot of i don't know looks like it's a
it's a whole underworld underground squatting world i don't even know about yeah i think it
is a pretty it's more common than people think i didn't even realize it yeah could be a sign of
the times as well too um i would not i this happened years ago so this happened a decade ago
so more than a decade ago two decades ago so pretty cool stuff um yeah you got anything else
on this um no i think i've thoroughly covered it and i hope there's i hope there's more episodes i
hope i hope we learn more about i don't know it's just so fascinating to me
all right we're gonna move on to the next one uh the number two top story is
from airline pilot to bitcoin or my story this is from anon 10 comments 15 000 sets gion what's this
yeah so anon we don't know who anon is because they posted as anon but anon describes how they
arrived at bitcoin and i guess they they tie it pretty closely to their their career in aviation
They got a degree in liberal arts at college somewhere and I guess worked in liberal arts, but then got kind of fatigued or bored by that career path.
And their father was a pilot in the Air Force.
And so they decided to go back to school, but for being a pilot and then trained for being a pilot.
And it seems to really fell in love with it.
That's his favorite pilot book.
and he says he you know he basically read it night and day and just yeah seemed to really
really fall in love with flying um yeah a lot of the mechanics a lot of the engineering
he talks a lot about energy and how how many like systems for um using energy and storing energy
there are in a plane and how they're all kind of working in tandem and like interdependent
fundamentally how everything ties into energy or it's not possible without without energy
and he describes how i guess during covid they were doing a lot of cargo flights from the uk to
the united states and i guess one one one flight in particular they arrived like early morning in
the UK. And he was supposed to stay there overnight. And somehow he had gotten, I don't
know, curious about Bitcoin. And then he said he's rather than going to sleep, even though
he was extremely tired, he spent nine hours going down the rabbit hole on Bitcoin and
learning about Bitcoin. And then eventually became a Bitcoiner. But he says it wouldn't
have been possible had he not had this engineering background or the familiarity with the dependence
on or like value, the value of a flight or the value of transporting things or flying
in general, how dependent it is on energy.
If that connection hadn't been made for him by being a pilot, he would have never maybe
seen Bitcoin as
as valuable
as he did
at the time.
And it was a really awesome post.
I really liked it. It helped me think about
planes a lot differently.
Like one of the
things he says is that a plane
is constantly going between airspeed.
It's converting energy
that it is
stored in its speed into
altitude. And then it can
then transfer that energy that's stored in altitude into airspeed and it's almost like that
you can almost like cars don't do that cars don't allow just kidding yeah yeah cars don't do that
they um they have no way of really storing the energy like that like you can't with a plane like
you can just by simply you can go high up in a plane and then later you can turn that into into
um lots of speed and vice versa you can't in the car because the car is just kind of flat it doesn't
really do that but you guys you can go up high on a hill but it's not the same anyway but i i found
that like kind of like blew my mind a little um and it sounds like he had a similar experience with
cool stuff learning about flying yeah i'm a big fan of planes i uh i watch a lot of uh the plane
disaster videos on youtube all the time you're a big fan of plane disasters i watch them all dude
i look forward to any new ones that come out and then i'll watch it and then you can just dissect
like so i've seen a lot of disasters with planes for sure at least at least have 20 hours clocked
in i would say at this point um say that again blood poet wants to know what your analysis of
the malaysia the malaysia flight yeah that's a little different that one they did like a two hour
episode on it it was pretty thorough um not aliens no definitely not that one is more the
government i think was hiding stuff the malay the malaysian government was hiding stuff because in
the episode they talked about how they had they knew it was missing like right away and they just
didn't tell anybody um i think it's very likely it got shot down that's just my guess just after
seen all these episodes do you have any no it's just like because the everything else checked out
like the guy was normal there was nothing wrong with the pilot himself um i remember at the time
there was this guy he's hanging out with back when that happened and he said that there were some
people that were building like microchips or something on that plane and um but he was just
like some weird hippie from south austin but uh so they didn't get into that so they no no they
didn't get into any of like the like the you know all that kind of stuff but they were i think they
were working on some kind of i think there i think there was i think there was some kind of like
i don't know i don't have any proof of it let's hope not that'd be terrible if that happened
but yeah if like somebody if some government shut them down
be terrible oh okay so you don't but you said you said they were they were shot down
no or the government covered it like it was a normal episode and then it talked about like
the things that could have happened and then they talk about the wreckage that they did find
because it was they found the wreckage but it was like way completely far away from where it
initially had went yeah um yeah or it could have just been something where he like landed the plane
but there was no evidence of the pilot
at least from what I saw in that episode
you mean no evidence that the pilot would have done anything
out of the ordinary
it's a good episode
I watch a lot of plane stuff but this is really fascinating
I like all these buttons
I'm always confused when I see a panel like that
but it's kind of cool to see it all listed out
yeah i wonder how like um how comfortable they become with where everything is eventually
well i just found out about the co2 stuff though apparently like when you're in a plane remember
you were telling us the other day like you're in a plane you're you're suffocating yourself
yeah sitting on the tarmac well i don't know about suffocating but yeah you're getting
more co2 than your body would like i think
pretty cool stuff um jump into the final top story the number one top story of the week is
24 hours left apply for the 2026 bus challenge key on what's this yeah so uh the boss folks are
i guess it's closed already so there's not much use in us really promoting this but uh
chain code is doing the boss challenge which is like their open bitcoin open source boot camp
And they get you contributing to open source very early
so that you can go on to do it And then they have a video here where a lot of their uh the prior cohort the prior cohorts uh like detail their experience and how nice that was um yeah but uh i hope you applied if you plan
to apply oh no okay yeah applications closed on december 31st and then january 12th is the saving
and sedoshi challenge which i think they partnered up with the like narrative game the bitcoin game
that they have um i don't know how that's related to the boss challenge but i think they just wanted
you to have that completed by the 20 by the 12th oh that's where it starts yeah ah okay yeah at least
that was my understanding oh pretty cool stuff love to see it i think there's a lot of communities
hubs that were participating with it um it was really awesome to see cool um i think that's all
that's all the top stories of the week we're gonna jump into our stories this week um let's just go
straight into wumble's picks this segment's called wumble's picks where we dive into the wonderful
world of wumble and all his picking that he does every week wumble's picks brought to you by no one
Keanu, what's this?
Wombo.
That's brought to you by Wombo.
Wombo wants us to talk about this lightning-powered
encrypted file sharing service.
Yeah, I mean, it's pretty straightforward.
You add a file, and you pay an invoice,
and they give you a link that you can share with someone else
where they can download the file.
And the link itself contains the decryption key.
and that's it.
So the file is encrypted
and stored on their servers.
I haven't read the code. I don't even know if it's
open source so I can't verify any
of the claims that are
made here. Somebody pay it.
I don't know if we have any watchers
because we started late and then
no one watches this podcast.
But yeah, I just uploaded just an image
of the cover.
I did one of these earlier today.
I did one earlier today to make sure
it worked and it appeared to work um does it look like there is a file limit is there
yeah five gigabytes oh five gigabytes oh that could be cool yeah yeah i actually um
so wobble did have a question his question was he didn't have a question actually let me go back
to the notes because it's right here he didn't ask her it's cool hey can't let me let me run the
show all right sure yeah no question this week just would like your guys thoughts on the service
there you go that was his question okay um yeah uh i think i think it's i think it's cool it's fun
this this is like a um like a replica of another service that i like called worm wormhole.app
um yeah which basically does the exact same thing it's like same premise you upload a file
an encrypted file you don't have to pay though um it's free because i i think that
or something or what no this is not a associated with jack dorsey or any of those people um
yeah i mean it could be but it's got a cool vibe so maybe it is um
the uh yeah it's just it was written by some guys i think they intended to turn it into a business
but then they went on to start this other business called socket so this is like a it's kind of like
content marketing and and the form of 10 gigs wow i saw another i think they're they've probably
moved it up there used to be five gigs here too see if i can do this one let's see see if this is
really true but i've used this before i'll usually like also there it goes dang that was fast there
you go if you want to scan that um that's the um the link what did you what did you i just uploaded
the cover art for the episode.
Oh, okay.
And then this is the one
still waiting for the sets to go.
Anyway, this is
like the same
premise. It's encrypted
client-side, uploaded to their servers.
The link has the description key on it.
Stacker News Live.
Doesn't show the file, but it shows that it's there.
Yeah.
Expires in 24 hours or after 100
downloads. Interesting.
Yep.
that's really cool yeah so i don't you know uh there are direct incentives for the people
at the lightning version of this service to keep running it um because they're getting paid to run
the service so you can you could i would bet on their service running longer than the free one
uh because the free one might they might decide to take the free one offline because they're just
It's just a cost to them.
These guys are making money, and that's the primary difference,
is you can maybe feel a little more comfortable using Satoshi Send
because you're paying them to use it,
and they have incentives to kind of respond to your support requests and stuff.
The other guys might not.
I don't know, but the other guys are.
I like the other guys.
I was thinking you've written your own hostable version as well.
Oh, yeah.
and that's the other i guess it is open source and if they would be cool to have like a network
of these but um looks like alec made it i don't see where his uh there you go that's who made it
boom looks like he's built some other cool stuff um i wrote it and go and um maybe he'll maybe he'll
support it extend it beyond what wormhole.app provides because they have like a roadmap that
it looks like they're just never going to get to.
And so maybe you can.
Yeah, I don't think they have a GitHub, though.
They don't have a GitHub, it looks like.
I don't think their product is open source.
Yeah.
So who knows where that's going?
But it's there.
Yeah, if you're going to use either of these services,
I highly recommend doing additional encryption out of band
that is actually peer-reviewed.
I'll usually use OpenSSL, encrypt something,
add it to like use wormhole.app with the encrypted file and satoshi send yeah this is uh brought to
you by no one and wumbles picks this week the wonderful world of wumbles and his picks
the wonderful world of wumble
how about that kian i don't yeah great uh we're gonna jump into
keon's pick this week he's a big fan of star wars what's this keon yeah so it looks like uh
i hate vague is vague is reading books now i think this is vague's probably vague's enemy
his name is i hate vague wow that's crazy yeah i think if it were vague it'd be at vague so
yeah i love vague or vague is handsome or something fake is pretty handsome oh i didn't
know you were into that okay he's he's a handsome guy you could be uh yeah so he read i guess this is
part of the like pre-disney canon star wars expanded universe which i guess disney has kind
of disowned or like separated the movies from and uh i guess he went and read it and it's i
It's widely considered by Star Wars fans to be better than the Disney alternative.
Most of this is a spoiler of the book, but it talks about pre-the prequel movies.
So right leading up to the movies, the more modern, or the first set of modern Star Wars movies that were put out, which were pre-the originals.
This takes place before that and the Sith that existed before Palpatine.
Did you know all this stuff before?
No, I learned it from this.
I just read this.
You sound like such a Star Wars nerd.
I didn't know.
Keep going.
I want to know.
I actually find all this stuff super.
Because you're a Star Trek guy, aren't you?
I like them all.
You're a Trekkie.
I think we did this conversation on a prior episode.
I think you said you're into Star Trek more.
yeah i don't uh i don't you're trying to create a rivalry where there really isn't one because i
don't i don't have much of a side to pick but i do you know there when growing up there was a
stigma around trek around star trek people that didn't exist for star wars people for some reason
because it was just the standard you know space balls yeah i think that was mostly
those were like stoner nerds that would be yeah it was for the people that made fun of the people
that watch star wars yeah yeah but uh this is a this is a cool review uh this is a spake actually
i guess he read two books recently and this is a this is the first one that he released and he
did another one a day or two ago but yeah i i have to agree with him i think it would have been
better off like if we would have gotten if disney would have used the prior canon that lucas had
already set up for him it would things would have gone way better i think just the man just the
just the way disney i mean just during i guess it was during the pandemic that disney just came
really and it just went another way man they even ruined snow white i don't know if you saw that
I didn't watch Snow White
It's pretty bad
I know that people didn't like it
But most kids these days don't even know that there was a different Star Wars
So it won't matter
Kids will love it regardless
Yeah, ultimately it's still science fiction
And it's still
Exploring the wider universe
And that's just going to be appealing to people
I guess our generation
Will have the books
And that's it
Yeah, I don't think people will read it
and everyone will be illiterate
like 50 years from now.
I wonder if they have them on Audible.
This one?
Is it possible to learn this power?
Is that what he says?
Or that's what he looks like?
That's Eddie Christensen.
He looks like he's on fire.
Oh, wow.
Look at that.
I mean, they had so much stuff there, dude.
Anyways.
rest in peace star wars pre-canon pre pre disney um your other pick was um
i am here to fix bitcoin with my llm this is from scoresby what was this cute yeah so scoresby found
some more like develop like pleb slop some more bitcoin developer slop uh where someone is
is attempting to release an alternative Bitcoin protocol implementation,
or at least a consensus library.
And it seems to be entirely...
Vibe-coded?
Yeah, vibed.
Wow.
And a lot of the motivating documents also supervives.
Tons of unrelated jargon that it is somehow...
They're claiming is uniquely intersected.
um in their project and yeah i guess they have some relation to um bit vault uh which is another
llm pro like vibe project is the bitcoin commons like the bitcoin commons down the street
no it's unrelated to that commons but that's the name of the thing
they can use this name because it's not open yeah that's bitcoin parked on the street now
Oh, okay.
So what's the Bitcoin Commons?
That's the name that the Vibe Coded thing is called?
Yes.
Oh, wow.
They call it, yeah, they call it Bitcoin Commons.
And they have a pretty detailed documentation slop.
And so you can go and get hypnotized by machine-generated garbage.
where is that at
oh right here
okay oh here
oh it's the failure trisho commons failed to do the tragedy of the commons
oh here we go
man it's crazy stuff
I don't think they understand what a commons is,
but that's like another aspect to this.
So this, yeah, I think it's just interesting.
I think we're going to see a lot more of this.
We're getting sort of DOS attacked by AI slop.
And I think this is,
I think that's just going to increase by quite a bit as time goes on.
I guess they're also, they're in Strategies Incubator or.
Really?
they have some they have some relation just they're at least using the facilities there
at one point oh wow that's crazy yeah micro strategy does michael's located in virginia
huh does michael sailor know
uh i don't think he probably i don't think he knows much other than how to get sun on a yacht
and you know be cool be i don't know man that's why i don't think i don't think he can't that's
why there's an application process crazy stuff no i don't think he would get i don't think it's a
sunscreen i think it's like his natural skin screen anybody did everybody just ignore this
except for scores me i would imagine people just ignored it on twitter no i think a lot of people
engaged? Yeah, so that's what
alerted Scoresby to its existence
and, you know, people, like
big names were engaging with all of
this slop. Oh, really? Len Alden,
Merch, Heavily Armed Clown.
That's, uh...
Oh, wow.
Didn't they just have, like,
a conference there or something?
Conference where? At a strategy.
Didn't they have like a developer conference there?
I don't know.
I don't keep up to date with what's going on there.
But yeah, I guess, I don't know.
I guess most of them engaged because there were like a lot of claims
that were just outright, they were like hallucinated LLM stuff
that a lot of them wanted to, I guess,
make sure they publicly stated were not true.
but good luck continuing to do that with all of the garbage that's going to
be put out there.
Cool.
Well,
it should be interesting to watch,
see how it plays out.
Get your popcorn ready.
Snackers should be fun.
Okay,
cool.
And then what else did you have?
Was that your last one?
Those were it.
Those were my two.
Oh,
cool.
Let's jump into,
the AI stuff, what if the people
like slop, Coop?
This is from another one from Scoresby.
They do like slop. He said that
this particular
post here
says, AI slop report the
global rise of low quality AI videos.
And they had
some key findings. And then Scoresby
made a post that says,
what if people like the slop?
What do you think, Keon?
What if people like AI slop?
Well, why don't you tell me what you think of it since the
your top post first.
I'm trying to keep the thing interesting,
the show interesting by asking you questions.
Oh, is that what you do?
Yeah.
I'm just kidding.
Yeah.
What do I think about AI slop?
I don't know.
We just covered a post related to it.
I think it's going to increase.
I think pigs like slop.
I think.
Wait a second.
Yeah.
You said pigs like slop.
Yeah.
You're calling people pigs.
I think for most people who are kind of stressed out and busy and have low attention spans, I think slop is going to soothe them.
It's like a slurpee of internet content.
I don't know. Slurpees are really good sometimes.
um yeah so i don't know i mean i watch these videos and they're actually
you know like i was sort of hypnotized by them you know it's got yeah yeah it's got like a humanoid
type it's kind of jarring to me to be honest like whenever i see this like it's not
but um i think kids don't know the difference so you gotta i think what they're doing is just
getting them while they're young and they won't know the difference.
I think you'd be surprised by how many adults probably watch this stuff.
But I think so.
Yeah, I don't know.
There might be something in that report.
Elvis Mercury at the top cover said the slap discussion is interesting because it challenges a person to say what exactly is objectable or laudable People have a gut intuition that slop is bad but why is it bad
Yeah.
I don't know.
I would agree.
I mean, it is hard to say why, you know, kind of wordy nonsense is from a machine.
is worse than wording nonsense from another human being.
It is hard to articulate.
The next one was, what I shared was,
MIT roboticist calls out Elon Musk's fantasy of humanoid robot assistants.
So this guy who made iRobot, is it iRobot or Roomba?
One of those.
He basically called out Elon and said that it's impossible to make a robot,
like optimus and um yeah i don't think yahoo did him a service so i went ahead and looked it up
myself so he actually did a whole piece about it which is this right here what yahoo was grabbing
from um and his whole point around it was just around the dexterity but i don't think and he
doesn't mention it mention it here but he basically goes into like here let me see if i can open this
up basically goes into the gartner uh what is this called again the gartner hype cycle was just
It's called the, yeah, Hype Cycle, where he talks about technologies and where they're at.
And after 10 years, they tend to fade away or bottom out and then whatever.
Plateau, basically.
And then he's talking about where humanoid working robots are.
So he's just trying to go into perspective about it.
If you read the whole thing, I kind of skimmed through it.
It's pretty fascinating.
He cites a bunch of sources.
it's pretty real about the limitations um he basically goes into like the different versions
of robots and like where they're at uh then he gets into like his main kind of like sticking
point about the robots like the main thing that he's saying is about dexterity and he's saying
that um he's calling it human dexterity and he's saying that human dexterity will never be able
um for elon to kind of for robots to have human dexterity it'd be it would take decades for that
and so he goes into a little bit more talks about it all all through here uh then he finally
then he finally get into the comments and the comments is the best part because that's when
everybody starts talking through all this stuff but um this particular comment i thought was
really interesting uh he says however allow me to play devil's advocate was it not long
believed by deep learning skeptics that machines could never master language through big data alone
because language refers to external things
which the machine do not access to.
In other words, humans don't learn language
by relating words to words.
They learn language by relating words to things,
to feelings, to actions.
Could one say that LLMs also lack access
to the right kind of data yet nevertheless
still manage to become quite proficient with language?
Could that mean that with enough visual data,
a robot could become dexterous as a human
just as LLMs became sufficient with language
even though they lack human senses and perceptions?
so his whole argument is basically calling out
Elon because he's just using
visual data
and he doesn't think that's how you're going to get there
and that's what this post is about
yeah
I love the comment
I thought that was pretty good
maybe all of your
conceptions about
how we achieve dexterity
are wrong
maybe you should consider that
yeah
unexpected things happen unexpected discoveries that that we you can't predict in advance happen
and we get it faster and i think that is a good point i haven't read this post so i don't know
i think i do know human hands are hard i think the only thing that he cut the only thing i think
the only thing that he missed on um the only reason i know this is because i played music but
there's a difference between manual dexterity and then there's like and i think what elon's
going after is application dexterity and then what he describes is like human dexterity
but I think that's a totally different thing than what Elon's going after.
I'm not defending Elon,
but I do think he understands robots to a certain extent because he uses them
with like Tesla plants and everything.
So I think actually Elon is going after like application dexterity,
meaning it's just supposed to be,
it doesn't need to have like,
like your fingertips don't need to know how much pressure you're putting on.
It just needs to know that there's a hat there and it needs to grab it.
Right.
It doesn't need to know how hard it needs to grab it,
if that makes any sense.
and that's more manual dexterity but oh that was my only thing about this thing that he
i skimmed through it he didn't really mention it at all anyways but that was that was a really cool
post definitely worth uh looking into if you're interested in robots and stuff i still think the
trash can robots are going to be the first thing to be honest trash can robots yeah i think we're
just going to have like trash can robots just like you like throw you throw something you already
middle of the room and it like the street they just like they just drive on the sidewalk they
deliver food so but they usually be carrying trash instead no i mean like they'll be shaped like
trash cans oh i see d2 yeah oh okay you're talking about shape i thought you're talking about like
yeah like that's the main problem we need solved is no i just call them trash can't robots because
they look like trash can't robots have you ever gotten a food delivery from one of those no
but disney world does have trash cans
trash cans
oh i haven't seen those
yeah i think we'll see those i think that'll be cool
uh anyway that was the last one there and then the other ones were my
picks this one let's go with some fun stuff first so this was a runster runster release it's
it's a version 1.2.5 this was pretty amazing i was talking hustle this week but he finally got
teams in there from different areas of the world he has a bitcoin ikasi bitcoin said isla
isla illa illa bitcoin district bitcoin yucatan bitcoin veterans and uh he just started season
for his Season 2 campaign this week.
So I just wanted to share that.
But yeah, he's been killing it.
He's been doing a lot of updates
and he's supposed to be adding watch support at some point.
Oh, Apple Watch, right.
Yeah.
Cool.
Yeah, very cool.
The other thing was...
This was from Max Silbrand.
He shared this post called The Quiet Departure.
I don't know if you ever saw
I don't know if you read through this
but he was basically talking about
how we need a bit of parallel
parallel
Bitcoin economy
and
it's a pretty inspirational read
like if you're
if you want to get
want to get pumped for your day
it's definitely
worth reading
I thought it was a really cool
really cool post
just about self-sovereignty
and about privacy
and about protocols
open protocols
us about what makes bitcoin bitcoin and why it's um why it's inevitable but um really good stuff
did you read this kill no i mean i felt like it was a lot like preaching to the choir a bit
so i just felt like i didn't it's probably great for a non-bitcoiner um or someone who
is like their their faith in bitcoin is shaking or whatever i think that might be
useful there um but i i well at least the to the extent that i write it again i didn't read it
but i started reading it's like yeah bitcoin is great um and yeah that's all i got and then the
next one i want to share which was this one's crazy so uh this one got shared by a neas it's about um
pig let me think pig butchering scam i don't know if you know what a pig butchering scam is
do you know what a pig butchering scam is i forget at one point i learned because
i can't pull it up here so pig butchering scams are a type of investment fraud with a romance
part element extremely sophisticated operations being perpetrated by organized crime groups
overseas they use specific scripts using social engineering tactics uh they often use human
trafficking to drive these operations, forcing people to work these scams using violence.
The criminals behind these scams refer to their victims as pigs, the social media platforms as
pig pens, and the scripts used as pig feed. The scammers see themselves as the butchers, hence the
term pig butchering. And then it goes through all the things that you would find yourself if you were
being butchered. What's fascinating is this one. So this one was shared by Aeneas.
he basically said this this this was shared on bitcoin news but he said this week a deeply sad
story circulated on x about a bitcoiner who fell victim to a pig butchering scam his bitcoin advisor
enabled him to send his entire bitcoin balance held in multi-six setup with btc advisor and
unchained to a scammer a woman he believed he loved in the hope that she would help him double
his money um and then he shows it here like the conversation but um it's pretty incredible if you
can't you can't read the bottom because you're right there but she basically says at the bottom
she goes sorry about everything the world we live in isn't fair and everyone is trying to
feed themselves and their own no matter what it takes you really you were really a nice person
hope the god you pray will bless you in other way have a good life exclamation point that's how she
stop talking to him pretty brutal stuff well i mean at least she didn't go some right like she
yeah like she i don't know it seems like a pretty nice scammer oh yeah yeah what do you think about
this one q you know i uh it sounds sounds awful and i mean terrible right yeah uh if it's especially
if it's real i don't know if it's real but we should assume it's real because why why would
why would it be like that um yeah it was recorded by bitcoin news so i figured it was real
oh uh i don't know it seemed reported on the basis that it circulated a lot on x which we've
shown is not really a great standard but um yeah uh you know it sucks to get scammed it's really
hard. I think, you know, don't fall in love with someone over
DMs. Yeah.
That's one piece of advice I'd give.
The other is, one rule that I try to live by is no one likes you.
That's really effective at defending yourself against pig butchering
scams. So,
but I haven't been pig butchered.
So anyway, that's what those are.
You know, if something.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It's hard to it's hard to give advice on this kind of stuff, because I think the people that fall victims to some of these scams, they either have a very elaborate setup that would work on a lot of people or they have like a button, an emotional button that the scammers are experts at pressing.
and so i can't tell you to not have that button really um
best thing to do is like not respond to anonymous messages yeah definitely not um
tough one to hear but i figured i'd share it just in case stackers were uh never heard of pig but
tree um and then the other one was actually that's it we're gonna jump into um pleb poet's
zine so plot poet releases zine right here it's called um 2025 warped thank you yes here it is
and it's number 40 and look at that um that may look a little bit familiar because uh
you know each zine is different but i'm kind of reusing a few elements that i've used before
that have been really nice.
And you get some fireworks
because it's New Year's.
And check it out.
A list of everyone that made commits
this year to Stacker News.
Oh, really?
Oh, that's cool.
And that's, yeah,
we're looking at the first page
and then the next few pages
I've got more stats like that.
Like the top hosts of the year,
buy stats,
and then the top stackers
are there as well.
Yep.
buy number buy items so that's kind of surprising i don't know if any if anybody's
looked at that in a while but it maybe wasn't what you thought
is this kind of like a like you're doing like a kind of you review review okay yeah cool but that
was the extent of it and then there's um three posts from this week that were kind of cool
one of them being my own but really socks let's let let's let socks's light shine for a minute i
thought and he has some cool things to say he's really a good writer i think he gets down on
himself about english but i think it's great his english seemed pretty good with uh with me when i
was talking yeah um and then that airline pilot story is in here too because i thought that was
pretty cool so that's gonna live on in the zine form the memes were terrible and nobody zapped
them but that's okay they're still here well the bot changed it's not a bounty anymore
so memes are disincentivized and that's because they kind of suck in general i think but you guys
still have fun i don't really like memes in general i'm not a meme person they're not for
me i don't think it's like web 2.0 slop it's slop for sure i mean sometimes like i liked memes when
i was 16 on tumblr that was fun it's internet slop coob i feel like there's a real artistry to memes
and uh i don't know it's because you grew up with memes or grew up with
Monday memes
Me Monday
Really cool stuff
The other one was this one
The one that you did with Socks
The interview
What was it like interviewing him?
Well
It was
We facilitated it just over text messages
Which is not my favorite way
But it just happened to work out the best
Because there was a lot going on this week
with the holidays.
So, you know, I feel like this is pretty much part one of my interview with Sox.
I would like to do a part two where we get to, you know, at least do it in person and
then come back to you guys.
And I asked stackers for questions.
I didn't this time.
But yeah, part two, we can do that.
But yeah, I feel like everybody was happy to hear from Sox today and sharing the love.
So, yeah, we want to hear more.
Awesome.
Yeah, I think for most people, Socks is kind of a hidden member of Stacker News.
They participate on Stacker News, but not a whole lot.
So I think this is cool to let people see Socks.
I hadn't really thought about that because I know Socks, and we all know Socks.
But, yeah, the Stackers probably have not much connection with them yet.
So Tux is really cool dude
He is very cool
Cool stuff
I thought this was interesting what he said here about
Stagger News I said it earlier
He goes robot
Human moderators felt
A thing of the past but for the fact that
Someone has to put their money where their mouth is
And that every
Stagger is actually a moderator thanks to
Downzaps my first pressure is actually disbelief
How could a concept this crazy even
Work but it works
but that was some really good insight
everything about that
yeah
yeah money's cool
I like I think it's cool
I think it's useful
for doing stuff
blockchain big says we love you
socks thank you thank you to the rando
Minecraft player for giving you inspiration
nope
did you guys get my little
pun there at the top
socks so good we only need one
I did but it took me a second
socks
one pair
socks is plural right
S O C K S
but we have one socks
S O X
no
that's how you get to do a pun
because the words are not exactly
similar but they sound similar
yeah that's not a real phrase it's my joke but i have two beats though
that kind of that kind of the way i anyway did you know what it is hair or one socks huh yeah maybe maybe a sock it
just one sock like imagine it's so good both your feet can fit into it sometimes i wake up with one
it's a bad sock because they would just trip yeah sometimes i wake up with one one sock sometimes
you go to sleep with socks on yeah i love it oh that's like keep me warm but sometimes i wake up
with one sock and i'm like how did they pull out how did one come off but it just happens
yeah maybe it's like one of your neighbors came and took it off or the or yeah who knows
oh cool cool stuff uh i think yeah i think that's uh everything right yeah that's everything wow
um i just want to share this with kian to show that i was right uh let me see if i can find it
It's right here.
So let's see if I can hit enter there.
Right here.
Sure.
It says it right there.
Oh, this slop overview?
There are no actual spaceships conferred coming to Harvard.
But Harvard professor A.B. Loeb is heavily involved in speculating that the interstellar object might be alien technology due to its unusual jets and trajectory.
Boom.
your face but you said you said he was he was declaring it alien technology was certainly
alien that's what i was saying roll the tape back i don't think okay now now you need to do
now you need to research on the earlier part of the episode i'm just saying this is the only fool
out there that was saying this was aliens but uh
this is google slop i mean this might be a pretty good good slop right
no i don't think google i don't think slop is slop so far i think slop will get a lot better
and it'll be better than humans and then we'll that we'll have no reason to exist i think the
video stuff will get better 100 like that's not going to be like that forever it's just going to
take some really good people to get their hands on it um so i'm not too worried about the video
stuff i think that'll handle itself uh we got a lot of comments i don't know if you want to go
through these most were about your best friend um but yeah like uh we got shared on um
uh bitcoin uh our bitcoin university and then so our channel blew up and they started watching the
david bailey stuff and then they all came in calling him a affinity scammer and stuff so
um that got shared um so check out the comments you got anything to say about that keyon uh
Uh, I'm surprised that we got shared of the, anyone watched our videos.
You're like, I'm surprised.
I am surprised.
I'm surprised.
I'm surprised that anyone watched.
I'm not surprised.
Once they turn, once they hit play, I'm surprised.
I would, I want to see like the viewer, you know, how they can show you the viewer graph.
I bet it's like massive drop off.
But, uh, yeah, I think that's cool that someone else shared the video.
It was neat that we had Bailey on, um, and Bailey.
And he admitted to being a scam.
yeah that was pretty neat yeah i thought it was i mean i i don't that's not what happened but uh
i like that he came on the show and we were able to talk to him that it that gave us this
opportunity to be shared yeah that definitely for sure bailey's the real draw subscribe from
this channel if you're if you accidentally hit that probably is subscribe double check
uh i was i think the only thing that was surprising to me was that it took six months
for somebody to find it it's like recorded that like six months ago and then they just barely
found it that's true i was i was like dang where's everybody been that means we're like six months
ahead that's what that means i don't know yeah i didn't i i was surprised it didn't get shared more
once it released i was like oh no this is gonna be bad because like it was kind of uncomfortable
the whole thing and it's like oh no it's like a lot of people are gonna see it it's gonna be extra
uncomfortable and then it just kind of faded yeah you gotta you gotta you gotta hug that
uncomfortability and make it your own and then turn into a warm blanket that's what i do
never it's uncomfortable just lean into it it feels great yes all right yeah lean into that
uncomfortability that's what i say the other ones were from fountain uh open mic says boxing day
zap car yeah i still don't know what boxing day is um and then undiscipline said what happened to
the top comment segment.
Keon kicked it out
because he said
it took too long
to go through it.
So that's what happened to that.
Oh, well, we could go.
We could start
the top comment segment again.
I think Carr has been the one
who's calling the hurt.
We've been calling
the hurt of the podcast.
So I used to love doing the top.
I used to do the top comments,
top snackers and top cowboys.
That was what I used to do.
If I remember.
We stopped doing it.
If you want to do top comments,
we can do top comments.
You can do top comments.
But, you know,
I think the real reason
you wanted to stop doing it
because they were getting pretty spicy.
No, I think it was just,
it felt like it was overloading the show with stuff.
It was just kind of like,
we're going to a comments now.
But we could do it.
I've been throwing pretty much.
If you want to do it, we could do it.
Yeah, we'll see.
We'll see if other stackers agree.
We can do it next week.
Let's jump into the top Cowboys.
Where's the Cowboys at?
Oh, there it goes.
And then you go here.
Top Cowboys.
You can wear your hat.
All right.
My bad.
i was just i just recalled that you had your movie thing and we didn't go over it maybe we can go oh
do you want to go over okay we can go over it if you would like to yeah i think you teased it like
last week too okay we can go over it um we also have um coop number two undiscipline blockchain
gray ruby usual suspects in the top 10 um but starts getting interesting once we get to 14 we
We got Wumble at 14, TN Stacker, End of the Mic, Elvis Mercury, Winter Yeti.
Looks like Winter Yeti is kind of taking the reins as far as posting stuff here.
Have you noticed that?
Yeah, they post a lot of scattered news, which is nice, especially when there's not a lot of pizza.
He likes pizza and Yetis.
Yeah.
um and then billy the kid real bitcoin doggie um yeah pretty much it anything here stand out
um not in particular i don't see much movement and i don't know of any big
cowboys losing their hats but yeah number one still in hiding we'll never know
It can happen any day.
Cool.
Let's jump into, you said you want to do the top 10?
You can do it.
Yeah.
I wanted you to do a video version of your post.
So I dropped this yesterday, top 10 movies I watched at 25.
What did I?
Yeah, I really don't have any thoughts.
I mean, I put them all in here.
I thought it was very thorough, like I do whenever I drop posts.
But check it out if you want to know what I thought was a really good list.
Well, what went in?
I put the terrible ones.
This is my – I thought the ones were terrible.
Long Walk I thought was terrible.
Bishop Possible I thought was just a disappointment.
I walked away crying.
Black Bag I thought was just planned.
Was Black Bag the –
It's like a CIA movie.
Okay.
And then The Ballerina, I saw that one.
That was just – it was a hard watch, man.
She shouldn't be doing action like that.
That's from the people that did the Wick movies.
Yeah, so bad.
Oh, really?
I thought that'd be good.
I haven't watched F1 or Frankenstein or Marty Supreme,
mainly just because Apple TV doesn't have F1,
and then Frankenstein, I don't have Netflix.
That's a new one, right?
The new Frank.
And then Marty Supreme.
I don't want to watch a table tennis movie.
That's just dumb.
Wait, I thought you said you were looking forward to it.
I want to watch it, but at the same time, I was like, this looks stupid.
I can't sit through two hours of table tennis.
Where did the 28 years later land?
28 years later landed on number five.
Okay.
You want to talk about this one?
You didn't like it?
Well, 28 years later, I was so excited for it.
And I really enjoyed the first half.
It felt like it fell apart in the last half.
Okay.
What did you think about the ending?
yeah what do you what do you think car i mean without spoiling without spoiling it hello uh
so you see it yeah oh yeah there you go now i know how you smell bad um what did i think about
it i actually thought it yeah like it was okay without spoiling it right it was one of the most
random out of nowhere in the last scene of all time yeah that's why i put that at the bottom i
was like i didn't like the last scene the twist at the end because it was just so weird it was so
out of place but i think they're setting up the second movie um that was my kind of just when i
left i was like oh they're setting up a sequel and it was so unnecessary because i felt like it was
such a great movie to me to me though austin like it's not gonna it's not better than part one
obviously but it was better than part than part two for sure that's why i liked it was like it was
a return to part one in a sense for sure yeah there's a lot i liked about it it just felt like
the movie was setting up to be this really engaging action-packed experience and then it
just ended up being like a little bit of like a nuanced emotional experience that didn't
totally vibe with me then very weird ending but i think that's why i liked it i think i liked it
because it had a little humanity in there but the first one i think it had that same humanity but it
ended it so strong i think that was probably why the first one did so well yeah but uh also really
liked weapons that's why you saw weapons what'd you think of that one dude that was great it was
it was like a just it it wasn't an amazingly unique horror movie but the way that it plays out
is surprising and novel so it's just like wow easy eight nine out of ten for me is like
you know great idea for a horror movie surprising scary kept me on the edge of my seat this one
freaked me out dude this is when i knew we were watching i was watching something like
oh i was like oh no we're we're in it aren't we look at this this is creepy as
yeah this is bad but this is when i knew i was like this is not normal look i just get
I just get exposed to watching it.
Oh, man.
Yeah.
That's pretty bad.
And this one, unlike 28 years, has an amazing ending.
Oh, yeah, it does.
Just like you're like, there's no other way this could end.
It's perfect.
Look at the way she's walking.
Look at that.
isn't that creepy dude like when i saw that i was like oh no some people walk like that but then
and then you're like oh she's not gonna be able to get it then you hear the door the back door
open you're like oh crap yeah it's uh i don't want to give anything away but uh yeah it's that
crank man have you seen this yet no dude this movie's freaking legit i like i like that guy
though jesse yeah lemons yeah i like him he's the best part of the movie for me personally
he's so good and uh she's so crazy but it works like yeah it just works on so many levels
but yeah he's him and that other guy that's with him he has autism like his cousin that he's with
has autism and so the whole movie you're watching this guy who has autism talk to this other guy
who's like really intelligent but just out there and so they're like you know they like plot to take
this woman and then like everything kind of unfolds but it's such a great movie because
apparently the the guy who played the autistic kid was like not really an actor that guy back there
if you can see him but uh it's pretty good anyways nice got the green screen back yeah
it's a nice viewer experience huh
except for when I'm halfway through it
yeah there's also some artifact
on it
it's not perfect but we'll get there
cool
that was
all the posts that we had this week
Stacker News live
oh man
what are you doing this weekend
oh
I think I got my
the light for my plants
is that what that is
I think that's what's in that box.
So that'll be my big thing, my big party.
We'll be putting that in.
I don't know.
I think I'm also going to make rice this weekend.
How about it?
Like sticky rice?
Round of applause.
Yeah, I'm going to try to make rice.
I bought a used rice cooker.
I'm going to try to make rice.
Dude, you should make sushi then.
I'm going to try to make sushi rice.
wow i don't know how that goes it's from what i can tell it's pretty easy um are you watching
videos or something and how you're gonna do it yeah i shared a video that i found on youtube
about sushi rice like a week or two ago because i was curious because that's like the main that's
like the main attraction for most sushi yeah and then the other stuff is kind of yeah secondary
um gosh that'd be so cool if you could make sushi yeah there's a great the video that i shared the
guy has a whole youtube channel it's really easy he buys fish from costco apparently they're able
to use it as sashimi and stuff yeah he's a you know he's he's a guy who knows what he's talking
about and i i grew up with uh or i went to college with a guy whose dad ran um fisheries and that's
where he buys he'd buy they eat sashimi that they made at home from costco fish because it's farmed
fish and so the environment is super controlled so it doesn't have parasites yada yada uh yeah
you can make it yourself too maybe we can do sushi night we could try a sushi night
man that'd be crazy if you learn how to be a sushi chef i don't even i mean you don't even
really got to be a i mean again it's mostly the rice you get the rice good everything else is easy
you buy that you just put that on top and then you what's the other but they do the whole thing
where they do the like the it's like one thing that they do on the rice and they put it on top
to stick what sauce is that i've seen them do it i don't think it's sauce i would guess it's probably
it might be uh do you know what i'm talking about it's kind of a brown type of or it looks like
brine almost it's like they get the sticky rice right and then they put like some kind of brine
on top and then they put the fish or maybe they put the fish and then they put that and i would
guess it's probably like some kind of soy sauce it's just like adding a little bit of salt for
the whole thing but the sushi rice is pretty simple it's just white rice short grain short
grain white rice with rice vinegar um sugar and and a little bit of salt that's really it that's
all that sushi rice is and that's what makes it taste super delicious uh is sushi rice good for
you right now um it's about as good as eating any rice is just about yeah and rice is just
another carbohydrate so i imagine it's like eating eating a piece of bread of similar caloric count
yeah that sounds fun hopefully you're not making this up no i'm serious i bought a rice cooker it's
in my office i got it delivered here i'm gonna make what um what are you gonna do it are you
doing it this weekend you're gonna do it this weekend i'm gonna do it probably tonight oh wow
it's just right i'm just making but you're not going to do the fish yet i have like canned sardines
i'll probably eat it with canned sardines oh so you're gonna try it separately and then i'm not
trying to my goal isn't to make sushi it's just to make sushi rice but eventually you're gonna get
there though i don't i don't think i have plans to make sushi i mostly just want to see if i can
recreate the rice and then i might eventually do something with it but yeah i'm mostly interested
in more like bowls because like occasionally i crave sushi but it's expensive so how can i create
a bowl that satisfies my sushi or just but only cost me ten dollars so you would basically just
get just like rice and then you'd put like a bulgogi or something or meat or something whatever
just add whatever meat i want to it or like if i was craving sushi i'd add like nori like nori
paste or natto you know like i would add all the flavors that are typically present in sushi without
having to buy a $15 roll yeah it could get pretty expensive yeah anyway that's probably that's those
are my big plans dude that's awesome that's really good yeah well let you know how it goes how about
you what are you doing this weekend um i think i have uh some work to get done so i have a lot of
work to get done tomorrow um and i think that's pretty much it and then the new year starts or
the new year has already started but yeah and after that it's just off to the races yeah you
seemed pretty busy already yeah it was pretty busy you had to push the podcast well it's but
everyone can look forward to a bunch of car output this year we'll see it's based on the
pace you're keeping now we'll see um cool stuff stackers have yourself a great weekend um key on
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