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Live from Blood Lab in Austin, Texas, this is Stacker News Live!

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What?

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You on here?

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Hello, what's up?

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Everyone on the internet.

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What's up, Internet?

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It's me.

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It's you.

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A guy.

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And me.

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Today's going to be a spicy show, man.

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You think so?

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Sure.

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I feel like you predict that every week.

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No, this one's going to be really spicy.

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Oh, are you?

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Is that because you're Mexican and you brought some salsa?

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That's racist.

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I know.

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That's the kind of racism I love.

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It's endearing racism.

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That's right.

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We like the racism where it's like.

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Endearing.

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Yeah, it's like I know where you come from.

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I know where you come from and I know you like chips and salsa.

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yeah so let's talk about that and how great that is do i really do love a bean and cheese taco

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that's in my blood you like a what i love a bean and cheese taco oh yeah a bean and cheese burritos

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are a big we're a big thing when i was being cheese burritos are in california but i was like

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you know in california yeah because they have burritos in california right that's like a big

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thing burritos yeah burritos i've had a california burrito they put french fries in their burritos

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it makes no sense they will do that yeah that's weird it's not that it's not that confusing

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actually why would you put french fries just as filler yeah like you put rice and beans in a

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burrito because no i don't put rice in my burrito okay it's all filler dude okay but beans are not

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filler beans are not filler it's a part of the burrito i think it's like almost a filler yeah

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i grew up eating like meat inside the burrito it was more meat than anything and that's what

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avocado you know that's what i was impressed by when i came and had tacos for the first time in

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austin i was like this is a this is a beef no filler it's all killer no filler all killer no

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feller yeah that's the that should be a taco stand who would you uh would you do this week

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how was your week um i didn't do anything this week which is great news um and it's usual news

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yeah uh it's old it's not news yeah blood poet i picked up on that it not being news um what

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else happened i feel like you you had something go on this week didn't you no no yeah that's right

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i had my quinceanera and uh my dad acknowledged my um me having my period and being a whoa

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yeah you just go there don't you and try to keep this pg-13 man dude

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yeah i know but it's weird when keon talks about it no it's just what do you mean when

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you're talking about you don't get periods here is there something everyone experiences

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at some point or another right not this guy answer viewers um so yeah how about you how

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was yours car it was good my internet's not loading um it was good it's just been a busy

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busy week i took a took a day off this week it was nice it's nice to take a nice day off

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you had a what i said i took a day off this week it was nice oh yeah yeah day off's good yeah you

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were going pretty hard there for a few days yeah it was uh it's just really busy right now because

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south by and stuff like that that's coming up so south by is like in three months bro

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it comes pretty fast if you don't pay attention to it um yeah but that's pretty much what i've

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been up to um taking a break trying to retweet all the stuff but i get ready for three months from

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now um 58 days from now what was i gonna say jackets um let's jump into if you oh yeah if

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you've ever seen this crazy show before it's called second use live we cover the top five

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stories or the top three stories on the front page of bitcoin stacker.news and uh take the

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opportunity to unsubscribe.

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Wumble's picks this week

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was the most popular one was the graphing one.

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So check that one out. People love

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talking about graphing or

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hearing about graphing.

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And then make sure to don't hit subscribe.

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People keep subscribing and

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it's getting pretty ridiculous now.

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Be proactive and unsubscribe. I would say be

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And you'll want to go and check your settings.

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It's not a podcast you want to listen to if you want to

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how would I say?

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yeah if you want to have a good day don't listen to this podcast

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yeah if you like your life being good

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yeah don't want to hear

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yeah I would say if you don't want to hear

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the truth don't listen to this podcast

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it's very much just all alpha

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we can't hear you because you're not talking to the microphone

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so unless Keon hands over the microphone

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Which he won't

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But he won't

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With all that we're going to jump into the top 5 stories of the week

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Top 3 stories of the week

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We used to do the top 5

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We used to do the top 5 but

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It just got too long and Darth Coins started complaining

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Where's mine at?

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It's right here

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It's been a busy day

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Doing a lot

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Alright the number 3 top story this week is

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Catty Days

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whoa look at that this is catty days this is from siggy 47 keon what's this yeah siggy uh tells the

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story of him being a caddy and i think in new york i don't know he didn't list i don't think

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the exact place that he was a caddy i guess they're called loopers which is which was new to

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me which is kind of fun i don't know exactly why they're called loopers i should i meant to look

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this up but i think uh it has to it either has to do with the fact that they loop a bag of golf

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clubs on yeah or it's that they do a loop when they do a course of golf so i don't know uh

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yes that's how you might pronounce it if you have a new york accent

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he didn't say he didn't tell us to say that

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pronounce it pronounced lupa in new york but we're in texas so

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yeah um okay yeah but he it was it's a it was really well told really fun to read

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kind of it's like bagger vance on stacker news really

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the will smith movie yeah i don't recall it being a good movie especially at the age i watched it but

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it was a movie that had will smith in it yeah i think 10 cup is probably my favorite golf movie

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besides happy gilmore the first one okay i don't think i've seen 10 cup i was too old for caddyshack

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or too young for caddyshack so i missed that one yeah a little too slapstick some of that stuff

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back then for me i'll watch it at some point but see i guess siggy was just at the end of his tenure

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as a is that him right there lupa um yeah i would i would guess not and i would guess there weren't

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black and white photos like this back then and it also looks like it has some kind of tie the tie

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so short watermark on it i think that was the style or maybe it was just like tuck this tie was

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tucked in oh yeah it looks kind of tucked in yeah i like looking at old photos like that so

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siggy tells the account of his time being a lupa and his he like gambled and his we need to get

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janet a mic next week you're getting a mic because i just hear all this like side chatter and i'm

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like this is good for the podcast he had a fun um he's for the staggers that are not listening to

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at home it's just like every other word that comes out of keon's mouth she's just like saying

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random words see there it goes again right there we'll get it on the next show all right keep going

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uh uh his boss tony i guess was fun and he was like a bookie of some kind i think that's what

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they're called where he like takes bets um and yeah i didn't and then it it ends with him telling

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the story of him i think double double bagging it as a double a double looping it is double bagging

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something weird is it like inappropriate i don't know you keep you only have one you started with

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the period so i didn't keep going oh i see you're stuck there just keep going just go for it

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yeah uh he was a caddy for a woman and it went you know it had hilarity in it where he where he

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like she hated him and fired him.

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She fell over and exposed

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to everyone that she was the orange

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idiot.

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Oh.

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She fell over.

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We're not getting any of this.

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I kind of want to stop and just go grab that mic right there.

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Blame Siggy.

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She can grab the mic. Can you grab it?

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You want to grab it? It's in the orange bag.

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There's a mic.

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Yeah, there's a mic in the orange bag.

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Is it in there?

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Is it in the bottom?

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It's basically just a hand mic.

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I think it's the one that we taped up.

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Is it in there?

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Anyways.

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Yeah, pretty cool.

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Pretty cool thing.

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Yeah, I thought it was fun.

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I don't know.

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I didn't know what it was like working on a golf course.

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It seems really fun.

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It seems like a good time.

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No mic there?

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No.

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There's not one in there?

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No? Okay.

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Alright.

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I guess I'll get it next week.

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Dang, that sucks.

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Unless you want to take over here and I can find it.

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Okay.

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Is it in their queue?

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I don't know.

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I don't have x-ray vision.

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It's not there?

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Oh, it is there.

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Oh, it's not there.

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Okay.

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dang that sucks anyways cool well yeah i i was gonna say it seems fun it seems like

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i imagine working at a restaurant is like sort of but probably even probably more chill because

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you're not really working as hard as a lot of like standing around although it's probably a

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bit of hard work because it's in the storage box then sorry i just remembered that right now if

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it's not in there.

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No, it's been broken.

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That's a Calvin Klein

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orange bag.

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I love that bag.

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It's my favorite bag.

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Anyways, Keon,

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let's go back to this.

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Should we? Really?

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No, I'm done. I think I'm finished.

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Is that all I want to say?

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Every time we come back

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to it, it's an opportunity.

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It's what stackers pay for.

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They pay for this kind of look somewhere else.

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It's live, man.

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We're not pre-recorded this.

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It's another reminder to unsubscribe.

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We warned you.

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Definitely unsubscribe to this.

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Sorry, Stiggy.

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We ruined your whole post.

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I didn't read it.

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It was just too long.

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But it sounds great from what you told me.

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I didn't even know this was a thing.

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Lupus.

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I didn't know they called them loopers.

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I think it's lupa.

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He said lupa.

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Like Koopa, Koopa Troopa, Loopa.

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Yeah.

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The number two top story this week on Stacker News Live

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is a mathematical theory of payment channel networks.

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This is from SimpleStacker.

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He always drops some really good stuff.

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Keon, what's this?

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Yeah, so Rene Picard, who's someone who likes to get

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deeply into theoretical things on the Lightning Network,

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dropped a new paper previously we had seen them do other work on payment on i think payment

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reliability and like algorithms for making payments more reliable and i think this is an extension of

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that work where he attempts to i think develop a model that a model suggests the like the limited

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feasibility of payments on the lightning network and how they're kind of they're kind of doomed i

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guess to be to be less remote or less reliable less reliable than we want them to be like we're

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never going to have we're never going to be able to redistribute all all bitcoin i think perfectly

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on or how we'd want to on the lightning network assuming a static a relatively static network

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That's kind of my gist of.

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Oh, that one's it.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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Can you get into one of those?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Just like probably the fourth.

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Yeah.

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Just push it in.

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Make sure it has a, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Should we live talk in there?

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Hello?

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Oh, yeah.

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You can hear you now.

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Awesome. So now we have a play poet.

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Now you get to know what she's saying. Okay, cool. Go for it, Kia.

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I'm going now. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't, so I didn't, I also didn't, I didn't read the paper fully.

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I mostly skimmed it for conclusions and stuff like that.

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Whenever I do, whenever I read an academic paper, I'll usually start at the introduction and read the conclusion

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and then decide whether I want to go deeper into it.

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So I didn't go much deeper into this one.

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SimpleStacker does a good job, I think,

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of kind of summarizing what might be in the middle,

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although they admitted that they didn't look deeply into the model

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beyond attempting to understand what it was saying conceptually.

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Yeah, but the conclusion is that we can't,

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We can't reliably distribute Bitcoin on the Lightning Network, assuming it's like static and doesn't change.

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because we have, there will be sections of the network

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that are inaccessible at certain amounts

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given the way that channels work

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is maybe a decent conclusion.

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But he has some nice graphs here.

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And if you like scroll up to the one with two circles on it,

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the one with two circles,

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Yeah, there we go.

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But this is like the simplest diagram or one of the simpler diagrams that you can make of this.

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But if A tries to pay D more than one Bitcoin, it won't work, basically.

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Even though the Lightning Network has deployed onto it here 21 units, more than one unit attempting to travel from the left side to the right side will not succeed.

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this kind of what the paper tries to formalize this arrangement

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so that we can maybe draw conclusions

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even at a much larger scale,

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like the actual lightning network.

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Yeah, Rene has a few suggestions about how to deal with this,

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and multi-party channels is kind of the main suggestion that he makes

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because within a multi-party channel,

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the multiple parties in that channel

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can redistribute coins arbitrarily.

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So it has less of this effect

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than a situation where each individual has their own node.

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Wasn't that what Super was creating when he made the...

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Where basically it was going to be like

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you were going to go through one of these nodes

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and then the node was going to pay out

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once you've received...

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How is that working?

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Gosh.

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It was basically

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you were sending funds

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to an address that

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didn't know

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those funds

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had landed yet or something

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like that. Zap Locker?

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Yeah, wasn't that what he was doing?

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No.

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That was on the Lightning Network though

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which is

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the...

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then yeah the layer that because in this in this instance he's talking about if you want to send a

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full bitcoin then you'd have to go through nodes that would have to pay out that full bitcoin for

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the receiver address right is that what he's saying here is that what you're basically saying

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yeah i mean you can just if you look at that chart yeah if a is trying to send two bitcoin to d

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they have a link between them that only that can only transmit one bitcoin at most and so you just

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can't transmit to bitcoin for me though the limit is like channel capacity or yeah fees well yeah

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that's the the numbers represent the channel capacity so only one bitcoin assuming it's all

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the liquidity is all on the side of b only one bitcoin can travel from a side of the network to

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I thought that's what he was doing, where he was basically going to just-in-time liquidity, where he was doing that?

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No.

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Maybe I'm wrong.

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No, no, no.

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ZapBlocker is all about receiving payments offline.

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It has nothing to do with...

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UTXO dealership is about miners selling their clean UTXOs.

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I just want to name all the super projects I can.

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As far as I know, he hasn't done any work on coin pools and multi-parts.

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yeah like i think multi-party channels another another name or an adjacent

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an adjacent kind of thing did you read this nick didn't read this

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i'm sad that he doesn't have a phd but also that's pretty rad to not have a phd

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no car i think it was someone brought it up because we were just naming super projects

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because super's worked on lightning before i thought that was the same thing but any still

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does hey i'm here to ask dumb questions and i don't mean to be i don't care if this okay

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but this is how we educate people i ask them dumb questions super doesn't work on lightning anymore

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i think i don't know what super does i think he actually don't know either

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yeah that's too bad i haven't heard from so long time so you're saying we can't sit more

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than a Bitcoin if the channel capacity is less than one Bitcoin.

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Yeah.

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The problem is, is that as you distribute Bitcoin,

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as you distribute Bitcoin on the lightning network,

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the total capacity of the network can't travel arbitrarily

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to other parts of the network.

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Yeah.

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It is limited by the constraints of all of the paths on the network And it it just it sort of um it sort of counterintuitive i guess so basically just validated everything we already do about the

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lightning network right um and its limitations it form like formalized i think that the

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the kind of feeling a lot of people have about

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lightning like lightning not being able to move all bit all the bitcoin so that's why we need arc

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is what you're saying no that is not because lightning is meant for small transactions

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yeah i don't i don't think that this invalidates lightning's use case it's just isn't a perfect

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scaling layer for bitcoin has kind of it's not the it's not it's not absolutely perfect it comes

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like putting Bitcoin on Lightning,

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or if we put all Bitcoin on a layer two like Lightning,

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it would run into this limitation

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where you can't redistribute it arbitrarily

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anywhere in the network,

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like the 21 million Bitcoin arbitrarily in a network,

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however you want.

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It would be constrained by these things

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that are largely out of your control.

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Assuming a static network,

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unless channels got moved or spliced in or whatever.

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Yeah.

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But it's good to have this rigorous argument.

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Did Optimism look at this post or no?

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Yeah, he had a comment that was pretty good.

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What did he say here?

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I don't think it was that one.

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Not that one.

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But did I make that up?

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I thought I...

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His main concern was about privacy primarily.

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through this through through the light through the lightning work is network is that what you're

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saying yeah i i recall reading this i think he was concerned about uh

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subnets being identified on on lightning as a result of like a uh

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yeah if we like and i if we can if we can if we have a section of the network that is

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easily identified perhaps we can view like membership changes and that is bad for the

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privacy and certain i'm not exactly sure what he meant by that comment i thought the more

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and then so simple stacker ends this post by saying that a nice the next step for the model

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he thinks is to consider um is to consider that human human behavior exists on the lightning

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network and instant and economic incentives exist on the lightning network and that the

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network is not static cool uh yeah so we can hear you on the mic i'm just kidding wait what

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i'm just kidding thank god don't tell me i was i was getting a very important message um but i

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cannot share with anybody we heard it all on the mic just kidding no i held it away no i'm just

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kidding it picks up really well cool uh do you have anything else you want to say on this q

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no no okay cool we're gonna jump into the number one story this week it's called private broadcast

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of local transactions transactions transactions merged what's this owned yeah vd contributed

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pull request to bitcoin core almost three years ago um i think the first one was closed

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and then they reopened it they reopened it again after making some changes and that one finally

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got merged so the second one he linked to in that post was the one that got merged what this pr does

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is it when you when you submit a transaction via rpc send raw transaction uh it will open a one-time

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like a a brief connection to another peer over an anonymity overlay like tor or i2p

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and then give them their transaction

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and then close the connection.

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And the reason you want to do this

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is because there are,

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and 0x1BTC has done a number of posts on this,

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we've covered on this podcast before,

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but there are nodes on Bitcoin's network

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that are attempting to listen to transactions

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as they get created and submitted on the network,

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which if they have enough nodes on the network

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and their analysis is good enough

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they can basically say that this transaction

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was initially sent to the network from this node

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and this node has these IP addresses

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and so you can kind of link a Bitcoin address

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to an IP address

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and do some rough guesses

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about Bitcoin and where they're located and stuff.

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Anyway, so this kind of helps you maintain your privacy

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as you're submitting transactions to the network.

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And it's a first step.

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They kept it pretty well-scoped

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where it's just via this RPC that this happens.

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And I believe it's opt-in.

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And then I think they plan in the future

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to listen to PR, a few extensions

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that have been suggested and they might do,

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but it seems like a pretty great improvement

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to Bitcoin privacy for transaction submission.

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And yeah, just kind of cool

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and kind of shows the life cycle of a PR to Bitcoin Core

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and how many people chimed in and gave opinions

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and reviewed it and how rigorous it is.

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um i was i was like impressed i saw and i'm just seeing some of the familiar names in the

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in the pr chime in um i just thought that was really kind of cool cool pretty neat so i guess

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this means you won't need an electrum server is that what you're saying no no i don't electrum i

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I think I believe most people use Electrum servers to to not have to run a full node and be able to.

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Great, like spy, not spy, but to grab transactions that they might need.

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From another node, that is my.

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So this is this is about you submitting a transaction that you create.

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I'm paying you and I don't want.

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Oh, this is more from the wallet point of view.

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That's from the payer's perspective,

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or the person who's constructed a transaction

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or submitting a transaction's point of view.

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So I'm paying you,

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but I don't want anyone on the network to know

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that the Bitcoin address I'm spending from

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belongs to my IP address or my Onion address.

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I don't have my Onion address, but my Onion identity,

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my Tor identity, my Tor pub key.

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Nice.

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Oh, yeah, this is awesome.

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Can I say a little anecdote about onions?

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Sure.

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I'm reading a book right now, which is called The Brothers Karamazov.

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And there's this brief little story about how someone who can give up a single onion can earn heaven.

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So there you go.

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There we go.

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It makes sense.

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um cool did you guys have anything else on this

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oh no okay well that's all the top stories this week on stagger news live we're gonna jump into

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wombo's picks because wombo picks really great spicy topics every week i can't wait to hear

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y'all's opinion on this stuff especially did you watch this jenna it's like i want to be excited

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about Wombo's picks,

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but then I hear you say Wombo,

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and it hurts every time. Wombo's picks.

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Wombo's picks.

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Wombo's Wombo's Wombo's picks. It really hurts.

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All right, we're going to do

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Wombo's pick. He had this one here,

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which was the

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Sailor talking financial

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blankety blank on what Bitcoin did.

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Fireworks promises from Den.

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35 comments, 2,114 cents.

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Keon, what is this post, and who

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is Sailor?

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So Michael

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Michael Saylor runs the world's biggest Bitcoin treasury company, which is to say they are a publicly traded company that sells equity.

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And with the proceeds, they buy Bitcoin with it.

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And they do that as much as they possibly can.

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And then they try to get into as much debt as possible to buy Bitcoin.

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And that's who Michael Saylor is.

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He was the first to do it, right?

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I think he was the first to do it.

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um it was the first thing and i think in this podcast he mentions that was the biggest

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publicly the largest he made the largest publicly known bitcoin purchase at the time

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in like 2020 or whatever um and then everybody knew he had big balls

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what yeah because yes because it was public yeah yeah we saw his balls and um we're all we were

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all impressed and now we buy shares on his balls and worship him yeah cool uh let me get to wumble's

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question wumble's question was oh my god was sailor giving some tough love to the bitcoin

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community or was this more of an emotional response from sailor let me just play it real

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quick for the stackers and ignorance of people that invest in businesses for a living like the

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the venture capitalist literally has a job where he has to invest capital a digital company that

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he basically he basically kind of gets mad at danny here um oh how would you describe it

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kian did you watch this or should i explain it danny just asked how many his his question was

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pretty simple he asked how many pure play bitcoin treasury companies can exist with mike when there's

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There's MicroStrategy, which is like way ahead in terms of the pure play strategy and has all of these features, basically, of their stock.

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These other preferred, these other share types and vehicles and whatever they add to their treasury company.

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Like, how are they going to be compete?

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Like, why would anyone buy another pure play strategy, another pure play Bitcoin treasury company?

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And he responded to Danny by basically saying Danny was an idiot for even bothering to ask.

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And that's a stupid question.

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And it's where his question implicitly attacks any Bitcoiner who wants to buy Bitcoin.

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And that Danny is a representative of everything that's wrong in the Bitcoin community.

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And Danny, like all other Bitcoiners, likes to eat as young.

476
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and yeah he did say that well several times well uh i don't i thought it was a fair question um

477
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it is you know and he says no he's like he's like no bitcoin company is no other which treasure

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which treasury company is pure play all treasury companies are different and but there are several

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of them like the especially a few of them that followed on uh in the united states that i was

480
00:31:51,268 --> 00:31:57,368
aware of, they were touting that they were going to be a more pure play than strategy early on.

481
00:31:58,148 --> 00:32:03,948
And he's like, well, no, every company does something different. And these treasury companies,

482
00:32:03,948 --> 00:32:09,488
they're a different company that has some trade-offs associated with them.

483
00:32:09,488 --> 00:32:17,908
but that's pure means pure. It means they're, you know, uh, if I, if I have distilled water,

484
00:32:18,028 --> 00:32:26,508
pure water, pure H2O, it's undifferentiated from other pure water, other, uh, distilled water. So

485
00:32:26,508 --> 00:32:34,148
I, I just don't know. Was there an actual threat in the question? No, it was a very simple question.

486
00:32:34,348 --> 00:32:37,848
All he was trying to say is, all he was trying to do is get them to talk about

487
00:32:37,848 --> 00:32:46,728
talk about the reality of there really only needed to be one pure play

488
00:32:46,728 --> 00:32:53,768
bitcoin treasury company if there's maybe maybe geographic there's like some geographic

489
00:32:53,768 --> 00:32:58,728
advantages maybe maybe you have a fund in brazil that can only buy brazilian

490
00:32:58,728 --> 00:33:03,048
uh equities and maybe that makes sense to have a pure play

491
00:33:03,048 --> 00:33:05,448
Oh, Ted wants to say something.

492
00:33:05,448 --> 00:33:06,488
Ted is a big...

493
00:33:06,488 --> 00:33:07,108
There you go.

494
00:33:07,848 --> 00:33:11,288
Here comes Ted to talk about his take on this.

495
00:33:11,568 --> 00:33:16,968
I have two maybe perceptions or possible takes on it.

496
00:33:16,968 --> 00:33:23,328
One is that maybe Michael Saylor was taking more issue with the word play than pure.

497
00:33:23,328 --> 00:33:26,088
so I think maybe he was reading into play

498
00:33:26,088 --> 00:33:30,348
to mean like the sort of moral illegitimacy

499
00:33:30,348 --> 00:33:33,728
of the micro strategy treasury strategy

500
00:33:33,728 --> 00:33:37,728
and I think he might have been reacting to that more

501
00:33:37,728 --> 00:33:38,688
just like defensive

502
00:33:38,688 --> 00:33:39,968
very defensive

503
00:33:39,968 --> 00:33:43,768
and which I do think is like

504
00:33:43,768 --> 00:33:47,368
he was reacting to maybe a bigger Twitter conversation

505
00:33:47,368 --> 00:33:49,268
and then using Danny as a proxy

506
00:33:49,268 --> 00:33:51,708
and then taking the pure play out of context

507
00:33:51,708 --> 00:33:54,308
That could be my read on it as to why he would react like this.

508
00:33:55,228 --> 00:34:00,528
And then the other answer that he could have given to answer Danny's question is that the

509
00:34:00,528 --> 00:34:03,648
derivatives market is like a whatever quadrillion.

510
00:34:04,348 --> 00:34:05,728
It's a four to one ratio.

511
00:34:05,828 --> 00:34:09,768
So if you add up all the assets in the world, something like $500 trillion.

512
00:34:10,428 --> 00:34:13,908
And if you add up all the derivatives on those assets, it's like two quadrillion.

513
00:34:14,408 --> 00:34:19,308
So you have a four to one ratio of derivatives to assets in the world, which is super messed

514
00:34:19,308 --> 00:34:19,508
up.

515
00:34:19,508 --> 00:34:20,248
Shouldn't be like that.

516
00:34:20,248 --> 00:34:27,868
But you could argue that the Bitcoin treasury strategy could go after a $2 quadrillion market.

517
00:34:28,828 --> 00:34:37,728
So to answer Danny's question of how many more companies like this can the world support, my argument would be it would be $2 quadrillion worth.

518
00:34:37,928 --> 00:34:45,268
So an unfathomably large number that breaks everything because you can't have $2 quadrillion absorbed into Bitcoin.

519
00:34:45,368 --> 00:34:45,968
That doesn't work.

520
00:34:46,388 --> 00:34:47,868
But it can certainly eat that market.

521
00:34:48,788 --> 00:34:49,968
Great, great answer.

522
00:34:50,248 --> 00:34:59,748
um thank you yeah do you got any other thoughts janet did you chime in well i i didn't listen to

523
00:34:59,748 --> 00:35:05,128
the podcast you didn't oh then this is why you should chime in exactly i'm gonna pull a car

524
00:35:05,128 --> 00:35:10,708
and i'm gonna say that i think that uh i thought the question was gonna be like

525
00:35:10,708 --> 00:35:17,048
um like like shitting on the plebs so i was about to like no say like no

526
00:35:17,048 --> 00:35:26,408
but Danny is cool so shout out Danny that's it yeah I think I see it I see it more like

527
00:35:26,408 --> 00:35:31,688
I think Danny was just doing his job obviously he's like he I would consider him more journalist

528
00:35:31,688 --> 00:35:36,028
just like Peter was so he's asking him the questions everybody wants the answers to which

529
00:35:36,028 --> 00:35:43,508
I did when I saw this I think Saylor has he has every right to respond however he wants but I mean

530
00:35:43,508 --> 00:35:44,788
He's a publicly traded company.

531
00:35:45,228 --> 00:35:46,428
You have to answer these questions.

532
00:35:46,948 --> 00:35:49,228
So he needs to figure that out.

533
00:35:49,228 --> 00:35:52,028
But I actually thought that he's not a chairman.

534
00:35:52,228 --> 00:35:54,148
I thought he was just a chairman on the board.

535
00:35:54,308 --> 00:35:55,168
Is he the CEO still?

536
00:35:55,948 --> 00:35:56,088
Oh.

537
00:35:57,508 --> 00:35:57,828
Oh?

538
00:35:58,208 --> 00:36:00,588
Finance CEO.

539
00:36:02,808 --> 00:36:04,748
Oh, so he's the CEO of just that.

540
00:36:04,848 --> 00:36:05,148
Okay.

541
00:36:05,408 --> 00:36:06,488
Well, then I got my facts wrong.

542
00:36:06,488 --> 00:36:12,328
But it seems like consensus from our conversation would say that it was, like one both suggested, an emotional response.

543
00:36:12,328 --> 00:36:18,028
yeah i would say one was right it definitely was a emotional response but that's what you do when

544
00:36:18,028 --> 00:36:23,148
you're the ceo you got to take those questions and then that's it looks like his house too so

545
00:36:23,148 --> 00:36:30,188
he invited him in it's like but danny's just doing his job that's how i see it like gotta play ball

546
00:36:30,188 --> 00:36:35,228
if you if you don't if he danny doesn't ask that question then people aren't going to listen to his

547
00:36:35,228 --> 00:36:39,668
podcast this is why people listen to his podcast because he's going to ask the tough questions

548
00:36:39,668 --> 00:36:46,828
me personally the three of you oh okay like on behalf of sailor the question would be like how

549
00:36:46,828 --> 00:36:55,648
would you go about assessing the moral legitimacy of the uh debt bitcoin strategy like that like

550
00:36:55,648 --> 00:36:58,868
that that's where i feel like this conversation should have gone if they really wanted to address

551
00:36:58,868 --> 00:37:04,308
this issue and like actually just discuss like you know if sailor didn't react so emotionally

552
00:37:04,308 --> 00:37:09,388
then they could have actually had a really interesting conversation about like where do

553
00:37:09,388 --> 00:37:15,948
draw the line uh for example me and nick had a cool conversation about this which is um you know

554
00:37:15,948 --> 00:37:22,428
like is it are you just sort of fooling people if you're if you're issuing them these fiat debt

555
00:37:22,428 --> 00:37:28,028
products that are maybe higher return than they get with other derivatives uh but you're just using

556
00:37:28,028 --> 00:37:32,428
it to buy bitcoin because you have that information arbitrage so you know that bitcoin's better

557
00:37:32,428 --> 00:37:38,348
so in some sense you're kind of tricking them but you could the other person could argue well

558
00:37:38,348 --> 00:37:43,148
Actually, that's totally valid because they weren't going to buy Bitcoin alternatively.

559
00:37:43,208 --> 00:37:45,628
They were just going to buy a bond from some other company.

560
00:37:46,368 --> 00:37:49,048
So really, they were going to buy this from someone.

561
00:37:49,428 --> 00:37:50,308
You're not tricking them.

562
00:37:50,428 --> 00:37:51,888
They're just – that's their belief.

563
00:37:52,668 --> 00:37:54,348
And then we'll see who's right in the long run.

564
00:37:54,668 --> 00:37:55,828
I got some thoughts on that.

565
00:37:55,928 --> 00:37:58,648
I think ultimately, yeah, it's just a tool.

566
00:37:59,008 --> 00:38:02,848
So I don't think you can argue there's like a moral thing on it.

567
00:38:04,188 --> 00:38:08,248
I also think that Saylor is a smart man, so he knows what he's doing.

568
00:38:08,348 --> 00:38:16,568
I do think the preferred stuff is a little bit tricky because from my understanding, those provide dividends every quarter or something like that based off the research I did before the show.

569
00:38:17,168 --> 00:38:20,908
And then the other thing that's going to be interesting is like the MNAV, right?

570
00:38:20,948 --> 00:38:26,068
And that's how much Bitcoin is on their balance sheet compared to what the company is actually worth.

571
00:38:26,368 --> 00:38:32,228
And apparently this year they're below one or teeter-tonnering on the edge of one MNAV.

572
00:38:32,548 --> 00:38:37,988
And from the last time they were there, it was in 2021 or no, 22.

573
00:38:38,348 --> 00:38:46,028
when there was a bear market so i actually think that um all the other stuff that he's doing

574
00:38:46,028 --> 00:38:50,988
irregardless of the fact it's just he's playing he's playing he's almost playing that premium game

575
00:38:51,548 --> 00:38:56,828
where he needs to keep doing these and um but i feel like there's anybody that could pull it off

576
00:38:56,828 --> 00:39:00,908
a sailor i don't i'm not saying that he can't pull it off i'm just saying it's just gonna be

577
00:39:00,908 --> 00:39:05,548
very tricky but he was the one who invented the thing so i think i think he'll be fine

578
00:39:05,548 --> 00:39:13,228
but that's my take on it is it immoral i don't think i don't think you can go into more morality

579
00:39:13,228 --> 00:39:19,208
and i i've come over to this side um over the years because i didn't start off this way but

580
00:39:19,208 --> 00:39:23,808
i think when it comes to like capital markets and stuff like that i don't think you can you can you

581
00:39:23,808 --> 00:39:28,408
can you can do that because he's like he says it in the interview that he's literally just running

582
00:39:28,408 --> 00:39:37,688
a business it's his job to um show value there and um i think it's uh i think it's but i think

583
00:39:37,688 --> 00:39:41,828
if he was i think if he was a private company it'd be different but since he's a he's a public

584
00:39:41,828 --> 00:39:46,568
company he has he has to do this but that's exactly what people say when they shirk responsibility

585
00:39:46,568 --> 00:39:53,668
yeah it's like i it's i was just this whole market is unethical and i'm just and so and

586
00:39:53,668 --> 00:39:55,868
Well, because I'm here, I have to do unethical things.

587
00:39:55,868 --> 00:39:56,648
So it's not me.

588
00:39:56,648 --> 00:39:58,348
The money's already broken.

589
00:39:58,348 --> 00:40:00,268
Like the money's broken.

590
00:40:00,268 --> 00:40:02,028
Like we can all agree the money's broken.

591
00:40:02,028 --> 00:40:03,768
That's where it's from.

592
00:40:03,768 --> 00:40:04,868
Do I like what he's doing?

593
00:40:04,868 --> 00:40:21,816
No because I like it a zero sum game Bitcoin And whoever has the most Bitcoin wins So I don like what he doing but he playing the game why why would you get upset about that what about people who do who play who the game is a dog fight is that

594
00:40:21,816 --> 00:40:29,236
their their dog is just winning it just it just uh ripped open the other dog you're talking about

595
00:40:29,236 --> 00:40:33,516
like if we watch a dog fight like i'm i'm not gonna let that happen in front of me i'm gonna

596
00:40:33,516 --> 00:40:38,236
pull those dogs off that's like okay because you feel like you can do something that's it that's a

597
00:40:38,236 --> 00:40:44,936
different thing i know it's a different thing but no it's related it's a different it's a different

598
00:40:44,936 --> 00:40:51,436
thing i think there is an abstract moral principle about debt but i don't know what it is

599
00:40:51,996 --> 00:41:00,156
no i think i think that's true because it's it's it's it it is a very it's like a it's a sort of a

600
00:41:00,156 --> 00:41:10,616
cantillion construction and so sailor is playing the game sailor is taking from the public's coffers

601
00:41:10,616 --> 00:41:16,396
or the energy that the government is kind of siphoning off of human beings throughout the

602
00:41:16,396 --> 00:41:24,876
economy and he is pumping it into his own bitcoin bag i would even say like coinbase is going to

603
00:41:24,876 --> 00:41:28,336
benefit from all this more than anybody else because that's where he holds it right does he

604
00:41:28,336 --> 00:41:33,056
hold it just in coinbase custody yeah that's kind of playing out things that haven't happened yet if

605
00:41:33,056 --> 00:41:36,436
you assume that coinbase is going to somehow run off with i'm not saying they're going to run off

606
00:41:36,436 --> 00:41:42,196
i'm saying like it's good business for them i would say uh for coinbase custody because if uh

607
00:41:42,196 --> 00:41:47,136
you got you got microstrategy who's literally winning the game of bitcoin out there and

608
00:41:47,136 --> 00:41:53,776
looks good for coinbase it's uh i mean first question is where are you holding that bitcoin

609
00:41:53,776 --> 00:41:56,276
if I'm invested in that stock, right?

610
00:41:57,296 --> 00:41:58,416
At least that's what you should be asking,

611
00:41:58,516 --> 00:41:59,676
but maybe they're asking about returns.

612
00:42:00,776 --> 00:42:01,156
I don't know.

613
00:42:01,556 --> 00:42:02,396
Do you got any thoughts, Ted?

614
00:42:02,436 --> 00:42:03,076
That was your question.

615
00:42:05,136 --> 00:42:06,996
I guess one thought I'll add is

616
00:42:06,996 --> 00:42:09,376
I feel like part of this could go back

617
00:42:09,376 --> 00:42:11,716
to the principle of libertarianism

618
00:42:11,716 --> 00:42:14,136
where this is the debate, I would argue,

619
00:42:14,236 --> 00:42:16,156
between like the Eric Voorhees camp

620
00:42:16,156 --> 00:42:17,576
where they say,

621
00:42:17,976 --> 00:42:20,296
hey, look, if people want to buy shit coins,

622
00:42:20,436 --> 00:42:21,076
sell them shit coins.

623
00:42:21,176 --> 00:42:22,796
It doesn't matter if I think it's a shit coin or not.

624
00:42:22,796 --> 00:42:27,716
In fact, it's even better because then I know that I'm on the winning side of this trade.

625
00:42:28,316 --> 00:42:36,096
And I would say like kind of it's almost like the Trumpian negotiation tactics where like you were saying, it's a it's a zero sum game.

626
00:42:36,996 --> 00:42:42,956
And, you know, it's not it's not a nice it's not like, hey, I'm a business trying to offer you a product that makes your life better.

627
00:42:43,176 --> 00:42:48,396
It's not that mentality. It's, hey, I'm going to take your shit because you can't defend it mentality.

628
00:42:48,396 --> 00:42:55,696
right so i feel like it's that morality against the morality of like kind of a volunteerist

629
00:42:55,696 --> 00:43:01,456
uh libertarian uh ethos which is you know if you're doing something against someone's will

630
00:43:01,456 --> 00:43:07,196
by tricking them uh by selling them something that you have special information that it's not

631
00:43:07,196 --> 00:43:11,696
as good as you say it is i i i don't see any difference what sailor's doing compared to what

632
00:43:11,696 --> 00:43:18,396
elon's doing when he's like grabbing money from you know the the government and yeah everyone's

633
00:43:18,396 --> 00:43:24,336
space like literally everybody's including like non-profits like everybody's doing this yeah it's

634
00:43:24,336 --> 00:43:30,596
not just sailor it's just that he's the biggest holder of bitcoin and he's an easy target i'm not

635
00:43:30,596 --> 00:43:35,236
defending sailor i'm just saying like um i just think he was being rude to danny but danny was

636
00:43:35,236 --> 00:43:38,896
just doing his job yeah but he should answer those questions you should definitely answer i mean i

637
00:43:38,896 --> 00:43:42,756
think it's a fascinating answer like i don't know what the answer to this question is but yeah

638
00:43:42,756 --> 00:43:48,596
uh it sure seems to me like the way the world operates is the rougher version of that world

639
00:43:48,596 --> 00:43:53,896
yeah he was he was downright like assaulting him verbally it was pretty bad like danny was just

640
00:43:53,896 --> 00:43:59,336
standing there taking it kind of sucks to see danny's such a great guy i think he just well i

641
00:43:59,336 --> 00:44:04,356
think he wanted the interview to go on but yeah i think it was sailor did cross the line where he's

642
00:44:04,356 --> 00:44:05,956
calling Danny names.

643
00:44:06,276 --> 00:44:06,636
Yeah, yeah.

644
00:44:06,796 --> 00:44:09,956
He was treating him like the way he treats

645
00:44:09,956 --> 00:44:10,936
Laura Shin.

646
00:44:12,036 --> 00:44:14,436
Which is probably why he's not invited back on that podcast

647
00:44:14,436 --> 00:44:14,796
anymore.

648
00:44:15,856 --> 00:44:18,196
He was treating Danny like

649
00:44:18,196 --> 00:44:20,276
Danny was someone who needs him more than he

650
00:44:20,276 --> 00:44:20,936
needs Danny.

651
00:44:21,976 --> 00:44:23,376
There's nothing Danny can do.

652
00:44:23,376 --> 00:44:26,116
He even told Danny, you're not going to have as much Bitcoin as me.

653
00:44:27,156 --> 00:44:28,376
It was kind of strange.

654
00:44:30,016 --> 00:44:31,896
So kind of like Trump.

655
00:44:31,896 --> 00:44:34,756
I don't know

656
00:44:34,756 --> 00:44:36,456
I do live in a Trump world now

657
00:44:36,456 --> 00:44:37,896
And we live in a Trump world

658
00:44:37,896 --> 00:44:41,356
Man this got spicy

659
00:44:41,356 --> 00:44:43,396
I mean that's just a fact

660
00:44:43,396 --> 00:44:45,396
Yeah that was Womble's pick

661
00:44:45,396 --> 00:44:47,196
Stay tuned next week for what Womble

662
00:44:47,196 --> 00:44:48,596
Picks

663
00:44:48,596 --> 00:44:50,156
Womble

664
00:44:50,156 --> 00:44:53,196
Appreciate you and I know how to say your name

665
00:44:53,196 --> 00:44:54,956
Yeah I would not have

666
00:44:54,956 --> 00:44:56,296
Picked this one

667
00:44:56,296 --> 00:44:58,136
But since Womble picked it

668
00:44:58,136 --> 00:44:59,776
We can talk about it

669
00:44:59,776 --> 00:45:02,216
the next one I want to talk about is

670
00:45:02,216 --> 00:45:03,936
Plebdale's

671
00:45:03,936 --> 00:45:04,576
Austin

672
00:45:04,576 --> 00:45:08,356
Pleb poet how long did it take him to do

673
00:45:08,356 --> 00:45:10,296
this and how frustrated were you

674
00:45:10,296 --> 00:45:11,836
when he built this

675
00:45:11,836 --> 00:45:14,316
no but that's why

676
00:45:14,316 --> 00:45:16,356
Pleb lab is so beautiful because he gets to

677
00:45:16,356 --> 00:45:17,876
come here and do the frustrating stuff

678
00:45:17,876 --> 00:45:20,416
and I don't even know about it I live in pure bliss

679
00:45:20,416 --> 00:45:22,376
yeah it took him a long time

680
00:45:22,376 --> 00:45:24,296
but it's not so this is a teaser

681
00:45:24,296 --> 00:45:26,156
it's not totally finished yet

682
00:45:26,156 --> 00:45:28,596
he's still finishing it up so you're going to see him over here

683
00:45:28,596 --> 00:45:33,956
apparently it's this weekend right there yeah yeah it's probably it's probably an ai in front

684
00:45:33,956 --> 00:45:39,156
of us crunching some type of yeah it was so we can't hit that thing right there okay but um

685
00:45:39,156 --> 00:45:43,636
no i i think he hasn't talked about it much so like just putting this out is kind of

686
00:45:43,636 --> 00:45:48,856
the first wave of like letting people know what he's been working on it's amazing how fast you

687
00:45:48,856 --> 00:45:52,736
can code look at this i've never seen somebody code this fast kian do you code that fast

688
00:45:52,736 --> 00:46:00,096
no well this is sped up footage i was just like man this guy's he's he's he drank my red bull

689
00:46:00,096 --> 00:46:06,936
today wow do you also fall for ai videos i fall for this right um i made this little video though

690
00:46:06,936 --> 00:46:17,236
together oh wow nice video thank you and uh and yeah i think um if you are someone who wants to

691
00:46:17,236 --> 00:46:22,596
vibe code this is like this is like the vibe coders like the big question everybody wants to

692
00:46:22,596 --> 00:46:28,716
ask you kit are you gonna do this course because i know you're no i don't use the ai stuff really

693
00:46:28,716 --> 00:46:33,616
so this is even though your husband is making this course you're not gonna support i mean there's no

694
00:46:33,616 --> 00:46:37,716
i don't have any apps that i want to like there's no reason for me to i don't do that what about a

695
00:46:37,716 --> 00:46:43,916
gardening app i don't it's not interesting to me what if you could just go to your plants and just

696
00:46:43,916 --> 00:46:47,476
take a picture of it and then i couldn't say it's not interesting it's interesting to me

697
00:46:47,476 --> 00:46:51,936
but i just want to make stuff with my hands what if you could download your whole brain and then

698
00:46:51,936 --> 00:46:57,336
just mix poetry anytime you want by pushing a button but that's why my brain is in my head

699
00:46:57,336 --> 00:47:03,096
because i can do it that way no but you can use your brain to play video games i do like to play

700
00:47:03,096 --> 00:47:09,916
video games yeah but only like two awesome well that should be coming out here soon stay tuned

701
00:47:09,916 --> 00:47:12,876
the next one I wanted to bring up was

702
00:47:12,876 --> 00:47:15,016
this one this one's kind of spicy

703
00:47:15,016 --> 00:47:16,956
but it's called

704
00:47:16,956 --> 00:47:18,876
Struggling to See the Value Prop of Maple AI

705
00:47:18,876 --> 00:47:19,636
so

706
00:47:19,636 --> 00:47:22,696
Keon did you read this?

707
00:47:23,416 --> 00:47:23,676
Yeah

708
00:47:23,676 --> 00:47:27,036
so this guy basically goes in there and he basically

709
00:47:27,036 --> 00:47:28,716
asks about what the trade-offs are

710
00:47:28,716 --> 00:47:30,576
compared to open AI

711
00:47:30,576 --> 00:47:32,836
or just using maple AI

712
00:47:32,836 --> 00:47:34,836
so much so where he even

713
00:47:34,836 --> 00:47:36,936
starts saying it's

714
00:47:36,936 --> 00:47:37,796
not worth it

715
00:47:37,796 --> 00:47:40,476
And then optimism jumps in.

716
00:47:40,596 --> 00:47:43,416
I mean, it's pretty interesting.

717
00:47:43,416 --> 00:47:49,456
He says, if privacy is such an issue, should you not just spin up your own LLM locally?

718
00:47:49,796 --> 00:47:53,156
And if you take the Pleb Devs course, you will learn exactly how to do that.

719
00:47:53,456 --> 00:47:53,996
There you go.

720
00:47:55,556 --> 00:47:56,576
Kia, what do you think about this?

721
00:47:57,116 --> 00:47:58,756
Do you think this is a fair thing to say?

722
00:47:59,856 --> 00:48:00,296
No.

723
00:48:00,656 --> 00:48:02,036
I mean, I think it's a fair question.

724
00:48:02,036 --> 00:48:17,276
I think if someone has the ability to run a local LLM, they should ask themselves whether they should pay for someone else to run it and review that software that claims it's private and confidential.

725
00:48:18,716 --> 00:48:22,096
They should think about this.

726
00:48:22,096 --> 00:48:30,436
But I think for the average person, it's more likely that they don't feel like they're capable or they don't have the time or money.

727
00:48:30,976 --> 00:48:37,136
They can't afford to buy the machine that they would need to run a comparable model locally.

728
00:48:37,876 --> 00:48:41,156
And so they might still want to use private AI.

729
00:48:42,196 --> 00:48:47,136
And Maple AI provides a way for them to do that.

730
00:48:47,136 --> 00:48:53,076
I think there are a number of other providers that are cropping up that also do something similar.

731
00:48:54,676 --> 00:48:58,156
I think I responded to that effect in the thread here.

732
00:48:58,316 --> 00:49:03,596
And then the OP responded with, the problem is it's censored.

733
00:49:03,776 --> 00:49:05,756
He's like, OK, I get the privacy argument.

734
00:49:06,276 --> 00:49:09,876
When I run a local LLM, I can run an uncensored one.

735
00:49:11,876 --> 00:49:14,576
As far as I know, I don't know.

736
00:49:14,636 --> 00:49:16,116
I haven't talked to the founders in a while.

737
00:49:16,116 --> 00:49:21,116
But as far as I know, I don't think they're a pro-AI censorship thing.

738
00:49:22,176 --> 00:49:29,836
Maybe they might feel a little uncomfortable about running an AI that can teach you how to make a bomb or something.

739
00:49:30,196 --> 00:49:32,456
Maybe that's why they run a censored model.

740
00:49:32,816 --> 00:49:35,116
But, yeah.

741
00:49:36,636 --> 00:49:40,496
I don't – like I got this question when we went to Round Rock.

742
00:49:41,876 --> 00:49:45,216
Somebody had asked me, I won't say who, but somebody had asked me about Maple and stuff like that.

743
00:49:45,216 --> 00:49:49,576
And I said, I'm not using it yet, but you know, I believe in Tony and I believe in Marks.

744
00:49:49,576 --> 00:49:50,816
And I think those guys are really smart.

745
00:49:50,936 --> 00:49:54,876
I wouldn't want to use any other product if that's the path I chose.

746
00:49:55,156 --> 00:49:59,756
But just for my day to day, I feel like the stuff that I use, it's just fine.

747
00:50:00,116 --> 00:50:05,136
I do think though, if it ever gets to a point to where like some of these other models start

748
00:50:05,136 --> 00:50:09,096
doing ads and stuff like that, I'll switch automatically, but I'm not there yet.

749
00:50:09,136 --> 00:50:11,636
And they haven't done that yet, but I know that's coming.

750
00:50:12,576 --> 00:50:13,856
That's where I would say where I fall.

751
00:50:14,556 --> 00:50:14,596
Okay.

752
00:50:14,596 --> 00:50:19,496
So when ads come on to open AI, then you're going to switch away?

753
00:50:19,816 --> 00:50:23,696
I think once it starts getting – if it's not like –

754
00:50:23,696 --> 00:50:27,556
you remember when Google had like ads in the beginning and it was actually good ads?

755
00:50:28,796 --> 00:50:33,796
Or even like some of the YouTube stuff you'll see like it's like good stuff.

756
00:50:34,776 --> 00:50:42,336
If it ever gets to a point where it's just like completely just garbage and it feels invasive and that sort of thing,

757
00:50:42,336 --> 00:50:47,796
um i can see myself moving immediately but right now i don't have that problem because i'm not

758
00:50:47,796 --> 00:50:54,296
not using it for anything that that's personal if that makes any sense well yeah so i think if the

759
00:50:54,296 --> 00:51:00,536
if the if the line is ads what if you can pay open ai to not show you ads then what i would

760
00:51:00,536 --> 00:51:05,716
still probably i would still probably move off because you said i don't want to pay for that i'd

761
00:51:05,716 --> 00:51:12,596
rather pay for my friend's product than use his what if the what if the experience you get from

762
00:51:12,596 --> 00:51:18,376
your friend's product is like lags by maybe three to six months behind yeah but that's gonna

763
00:51:18,376 --> 00:51:23,316
eventually we'll get to a point where it'll be like an equilibrium where we'll just everything

764
00:51:23,316 --> 00:51:30,276
will be just good like or or great like remember when search like after a certain point like search

765
00:51:30,276 --> 00:51:37,396
was just search yeah everyone could yeah it's basically when the page rank yeah uh went out of

766
00:51:37,396 --> 00:51:42,316
that so i think it's kind of like that i think that'll just kind of and then at that point you're

767
00:51:42,316 --> 00:51:48,716
just you're just picking where you want to you know what you want to leverage so um but i mean

768
00:51:48,716 --> 00:51:54,736
if you ask everybody in here everybody uses different models and multiples and multiple

769
00:51:54,736 --> 00:51:59,056
models at that so we might even be getting to a place where it's just like a multi-model world

770
00:51:59,056 --> 00:52:04,276
I think Maple AI is one that gets used in the AI course too.

771
00:52:04,696 --> 00:52:06,216
Yeah, I heard him talking about it.

772
00:52:09,036 --> 00:52:10,136
Also, is that true?

773
00:52:10,296 --> 00:52:11,616
The very last sentence there?

774
00:52:11,796 --> 00:52:13,696
Are the Maple guys around here?

775
00:52:14,436 --> 00:52:14,996
What does that mean?

776
00:52:15,436 --> 00:52:16,376
They used to post.

777
00:52:16,716 --> 00:52:17,996
I don't think they do anymore.

778
00:52:18,156 --> 00:52:18,896
I didn't think so either.

779
00:52:19,816 --> 00:52:22,216
Yeah, but they're always lurking.

780
00:52:22,536 --> 00:52:24,516
I doubt they're lurking.

781
00:52:26,396 --> 00:52:28,656
Anyways, you got anything else?

782
00:52:29,056 --> 00:52:34,276
uh no okay cool uh but no we had marks on second news live last year i don't know if you remember

783
00:52:34,276 --> 00:52:43,956
during south by i do remember um cool can i do you mind if we just cover the zine really fast

784
00:52:43,956 --> 00:52:49,716
because then i gotta go yeah yeah yeah sorry about that i have a microphone i might as well

785
00:52:49,716 --> 00:52:55,856
just direct i mean this is what i do the neatest scene bringing you the bitcoin heat seriously

786
00:52:55,856 --> 00:52:57,016
this is number 42.

787
00:52:57,516 --> 00:52:58,216
Pleppo, what's this?

788
00:52:58,416 --> 00:53:00,316
Yes, Stacker News, Zine.

789
00:53:01,256 --> 00:53:01,896
That's it.

790
00:53:02,036 --> 00:53:03,016
It's number 42.

791
00:53:04,396 --> 00:53:05,316
Who's that right there?

792
00:53:05,416 --> 00:53:06,616
It's a Darth coin,

793
00:53:06,736 --> 00:53:07,596
and he's going to choke you

794
00:53:07,596 --> 00:53:08,776
if you don't buy chocolates.

795
00:53:09,536 --> 00:53:10,596
Is that his ad?

796
00:53:11,356 --> 00:53:12,296
Yeah, he bought an ad.

797
00:53:12,696 --> 00:53:13,276
With credits?

798
00:53:13,276 --> 00:53:14,716
Oh, wait, maybe I shouldn't say that

799
00:53:14,716 --> 00:53:16,416
because he didn't want to put his name on it.

800
00:53:18,236 --> 00:53:19,056
Sorry about that,

801
00:53:19,116 --> 00:53:20,676
but buy Oshigood chocolates.

802
00:53:20,876 --> 00:53:22,236
Why did you make Darth Vader green?

803
00:53:22,816 --> 00:53:23,816
I didn't do that.

804
00:53:24,656 --> 00:53:25,376
That's the ad.

805
00:53:25,376 --> 00:53:29,236
the classifieds are not me the classifieds are so that's his color that's what you bought it was

806
00:53:29,236 --> 00:53:35,916
green for darth vader's shoulders okay so that's the technicality where really that was like the

807
00:53:35,916 --> 00:53:42,216
flash on the camera that i used to take this photo oh a little bit somebody hasn't watched star wars

808
00:53:42,216 --> 00:53:53,416
okay cool no he okay anyway um that's it and you can have it if you want it go and purchase it

809
00:53:53,416 --> 00:54:00,436
there at that link and then you can also subscribe did you make a black hat no that's called editing

810
00:54:00,436 --> 00:54:04,976
without ai that's cool i like the black stacker news hat i know it looks kind of cool because

811
00:54:04,976 --> 00:54:10,356
you can't see the eyes yeah it looks really cool yeah is sammy still alive back there he's alive

812
00:54:10,356 --> 00:54:18,696
yeah i mean sammy's got a job now he's keeping the plants alive wow it's amazing um what else

813
00:54:18,696 --> 00:54:25,616
can we say about the zine uh kian yeah what else can i say about the zine oh do i have oh so it's

814
00:54:25,616 --> 00:54:31,776
not green it's just green on my screen yeah okay i apologize perhaps because it was printed on yellow

815
00:54:31,776 --> 00:54:38,376
it was printed on yellow i don't have anything to much to say in the zine uh you could there

816
00:54:38,376 --> 00:54:42,296
was a few things where you could read between the lines about things that pleb poet says that might

817
00:54:42,296 --> 00:54:48,156
be fun but i would i probably wouldn't have detected them had she not told me so you probably

818
00:54:48,156 --> 00:54:53,516
miss them but you're if you're a deep stacker and you've been reading all the posts on saccharineos

819
00:54:53,516 --> 00:55:02,456
yeah you might you might kind of infer some stuff we like to have fun yeah cool stuff

820
00:55:02,456 --> 00:55:12,856
what are we gonna get a janice pick um yeah maybe and the zine yeah you know i pretty much do do

821
00:55:12,856 --> 00:55:17,836
that i guess actually this time it was jason b's post that was my pick which one's the very last one

822
00:55:17,836 --> 00:55:24,516
oh okay cool yeah he made a pac-man where the like the level kind of changes it's like dude i

823
00:55:24,516 --> 00:55:30,656
want to play that yeah cool yeah that looks like fun he's he's uh he's always got new little games

824
00:55:30,656 --> 00:55:36,316
to play pretty much cool he is an original pleb dev i believe he is an original pleb dev he

825
00:55:36,316 --> 00:55:43,476
mentioned that there one of the first on it no because it's just a pdf yeah it's it's real car

826
00:55:43,476 --> 00:55:51,776
okay well check it out stackers it's all online thank you thanks thanks jenna thanks for coming

827
00:55:51,776 --> 00:55:57,136
on the show yeah thank you goodbye drop should i unplug it drop it no you could just put it right

828
00:55:57,136 --> 00:56:05,356
there yeah i thought you're gonna do my job but that works um key on let's jump into your picks

829
00:56:05,356 --> 00:56:13,036
tether fun unbelievable details what is this yeah this is part four of scores beast

830
00:56:13,036 --> 00:56:22,576
trether tether tether timeline uh which gets into the ftx situation yeah i didn't know they

831
00:56:22,576 --> 00:56:29,416
had bought an ftx that was news to me they had bought in they didn't they buy their uh their

832
00:56:29,416 --> 00:56:35,816
adjacent company isn't that what he put in here he bought an adjacent company never i don't think

833
00:56:35,816 --> 00:56:42,536
i recall i'll find it yeah i think the the big the big uh ftx tether connection is primarily that

834
00:56:42,536 --> 00:56:51,656
uh alameda here it goes ftx and alameda were the big were one of two of the biggest holders of

835
00:56:51,656 --> 00:57:01,256
tether that existed. Both Cumberland Mining, which is a Chicago-based trading firm,

836
00:57:01,956 --> 00:57:12,716
and FTX and Alameda, they held the majority of tethers during this time period before FTX blew up.

837
00:57:13,576 --> 00:57:19,796
There's scores, but interspersed throughout the section of FTX and Alameda, there are

838
00:57:21,656 --> 00:57:28,036
chat messages that got released as part of the fbx here is fine all this you know it's all you know

839
00:57:28,036 --> 00:57:33,556
scores we is does like deep like serious deep dives into this stuff but all of its public

840
00:57:33,556 --> 00:57:39,756
uh information these telegram chats were part of the i forget what it's called but the you know

841
00:57:39,756 --> 00:57:47,956
the documents that were released during the sam bankman freed trial so yeah so like their telegram

842
00:57:47,956 --> 00:57:57,276
chat is is known and it it has conversations between the ceo of tether the ceo of the the

843
00:57:57,276 --> 00:58:04,136
bank that does all of tether's um like fiat banking that was based in the caribbean

844
00:58:04,136 --> 00:58:11,336
like fcx was based in the caribbean and um it's gonna be a good netflix series

845
00:58:11,336 --> 00:58:17,536
can't wait yeah scores he plans to write to like write it into a narrative once he's done with all

846
00:58:17,536 --> 00:58:25,096
of the oh really he's gonna write a book about it yeah why not a book but like a he's gonna write

847
00:58:25,096 --> 00:58:30,356
about it he's gonna write it in a way where it's not just a list like listed out like this it's

848
00:58:30,356 --> 00:58:38,116
going to like have more it's gonna have a right it's gonna have like a story yeah it'll have a

849
00:58:38,116 --> 00:58:44,556
it'll have a dude of course we might be making like the next like uh yeah that's wild man yeah

850
00:58:44,556 --> 00:58:48,556
I think, I don't know, what are some of the other cool things that happened?

851
00:58:48,716 --> 00:58:52,996
Oh, so the CEO, the then CEO around the FTX stuff,

852
00:58:53,536 --> 00:58:58,256
either CEO or co-CEO of Deltec Bank, which is the bank in the Caribbean

853
00:58:58,256 --> 00:58:59,576
that's how they're banked with.

854
00:59:00,336 --> 00:59:07,796
They were one of the co-creators of Inspector Gadget, the cartoon.

855
00:59:08,496 --> 00:59:10,556
And they're from France.

856
00:59:10,556 --> 00:59:16,616
I think they were part of a children's entertainment company.

857
00:59:17,176 --> 00:59:23,596
I think they opened an amusement park in France that was very expensive and over budget

858
00:59:23,596 --> 00:59:31,516
and then released early to really poor reviews and I think shut down within a week because it was so bad.

859
00:59:32,216 --> 00:59:33,856
He should totally write the book for this.

860
00:59:34,556 --> 00:59:38,276
I think it'll really take off, I think.

861
00:59:38,276 --> 00:59:43,856
yeah there i mean uh so cumberland mining is really interesting the guy so the guy who started

862
00:59:43,856 --> 00:59:51,356
cumberland mining at a at the chicago-based trading firm he scores we found a video of him

863
00:59:51,356 --> 00:59:55,656
basically saying i'm an anarchist yes i'm an anarchist that's why i'm into bitcoin he got

864
00:59:55,656 --> 01:00:02,776
into mining bitcoin i think back in 2011 or something um but he's like a you know a suit

865
01:00:02,776 --> 01:00:05,756
and tie guy working at a trading,

866
01:00:06,276 --> 01:00:08,216
working at a trading firm in Chicago.

867
01:00:08,216 --> 01:00:09,636
And as an anarchist,

868
01:00:09,656 --> 01:00:10,916
who's a Bitcoiner and started,

869
01:00:11,316 --> 01:00:23,964
you know one of the companies that had that at one point held a large a large portion of Tethers I think it just kind of goes to show I mean this is the last one right that he doing

870
01:00:24,824 --> 01:00:25,164
No.

871
01:00:25,804 --> 01:00:26,584
Oh, there's one more.

872
01:00:26,804 --> 01:00:34,344
No, yeah, this just goes, I think there'll probably be one more on the last four years or so.

873
01:00:34,884 --> 01:00:35,964
This kind of ends at...

874
01:00:35,964 --> 01:00:37,904
23 or something, or what does this end?

875
01:00:37,924 --> 01:00:38,844
This ends at Celsius.

876
01:00:39,664 --> 01:00:40,224
Oh, okay.

877
01:00:40,224 --> 01:00:40,704
Yeah.

878
01:00:40,704 --> 01:00:50,424
who had a one billion dollar loan of tethers at some point well this is um should be it yeah i

879
01:00:50,424 --> 01:00:57,204
think once it gets into like you know into a book i think that'll be a definitely bestseller

880
01:00:57,204 --> 01:01:05,044
um but it also goes to show like you know to you know to get to where tether's at right now i mean

881
01:01:05,044 --> 01:01:11,704
there were so many winding roads there and um it kind of shows like you know in order to dominate

882
01:01:11,704 --> 01:01:19,124
the world like that with your uh stable coin they had to do a lot of stuff um so i'm sure there's

883
01:01:19,124 --> 01:01:29,684
lessons here yeah it seems like tether's strategy if if there is a strategy and they're not just

884
01:01:29,684 --> 01:01:35,964
intuitive and you know came to run this market because because of pure luck it seems to be

885
01:01:35,964 --> 01:01:45,164
grow faster than um the people who are trying to regulate you can catch you it was like grow fat

886
01:01:45,164 --> 01:01:50,304
grow faster and become more power become as powerful as soon as possible so that you begin

887
01:01:50,304 --> 01:01:56,584
to write the regulations and can stop what what might what might otherwise i really do think this

888
01:01:56,584 --> 01:01:58,104
is the dawning of

889
01:01:58,104 --> 01:02:00,704
the next Federal Reserve.

890
01:02:01,644 --> 01:02:02,524
This, to me,

891
01:02:02,564 --> 01:02:04,724
seems like the new dawning of that.

892
01:02:07,704 --> 01:02:09,284
The creature from Jekyll Island.

893
01:02:09,824 --> 01:02:10,784
It reminds me of that.

894
01:02:11,104 --> 01:02:12,904
It still does, even over here.

895
01:02:13,644 --> 01:02:15,324
It just has so many different

896
01:02:15,324 --> 01:02:17,124
layers to this.

897
01:02:18,624 --> 01:02:19,904
It's going to be a great miniseries.

898
01:02:19,944 --> 01:02:20,484
I can't wait.

899
01:02:21,544 --> 01:02:23,024
It'll probably take decades, though.

900
01:02:24,424 --> 01:02:25,504
Cool stuff, man.

901
01:02:26,584 --> 01:02:35,884
um any other things you want to share on this no no cool let me go back that was another one

902
01:02:35,884 --> 01:02:42,104
oh wow that's another one and then your other pick was um i paid my hairdresser i didn't know

903
01:02:42,104 --> 01:02:48,464
you had a hairdresser can you oh thanks car yeah i have i have three of them i used yeah several

904
01:02:48,464 --> 01:02:54,244
for my king have you ever used a hairdresser before um yeah i went to i used to go to a

905
01:02:54,244 --> 01:02:59,604
hairdresser to cut my hair i've yeah not like a barber shop a hairdresser though yeah i went i

906
01:02:59,604 --> 01:03:05,284
would go to a lady uh when i do your hair when i lived in california at one point she would cut my

907
01:03:05,284 --> 01:03:11,744
hair yeah i mean i wouldn't i would never comb my hair but i for whatever reason i felt more comfortable

908
01:03:11,744 --> 01:03:15,684
going to lady because i think i was taken to a lady when i was a kid yeah and a lady would do my

909
01:03:15,684 --> 01:03:22,844
hair so i never the barbers always seemed seemed like they had an idea about what a man's haircut

910
01:03:22,844 --> 01:03:28,104
should be in a way that i did not like you know they were like they wanted to be like buzzed on

911
01:03:28,104 --> 01:03:33,944
the sides and we're all soldiers right i would i would say like when i had uh i never went to a

912
01:03:33,944 --> 01:03:41,564
hairdresser but there was a lady that used to cut my hair she cut it so great um but now when i do

913
01:03:41,564 --> 01:03:45,704
get a haircut because i cut my own hair but now when i do get a haircut if i do it's usually by a

914
01:03:45,704 --> 01:03:50,704
guy but um i don't have that same kind of i don't get that same kind of like what you're talking

915
01:03:50,704 --> 01:03:56,684
about it's it's much more comfortable to get one from a lady i would say but i have gotten it from

916
01:03:56,684 --> 01:04:02,624
a guy but it's like doesn't have that comfortability yeah and yeah we all got one from a guy one time

917
01:04:02,624 --> 01:04:09,624
you know whoa whoa all right keep going okay uh yeah so anon came by and shared the how they paid

918
01:04:09,624 --> 01:04:16,604
their hairdresser uh in bitcoin and so anon is apparently fairly well skilled with lightning

919
01:04:16,604 --> 01:04:21,664
They say they're running cubes, L&D on cubes and using Tor.

920
01:04:22,264 --> 01:04:27,684
And so they're using Lightning in a self-sovereign way, spending Bitcoin in a self-sovereign way.

921
01:04:28,044 --> 01:04:32,404
But they had been to this hairdresser for a while who accepts payments via Square.

922
01:04:32,864 --> 01:04:42,724
And they were able to get the hairdresser onboarded to receiving Bitcoin payments as fiat, basically.

923
01:04:42,724 --> 01:04:49,624
and so they described the flow that they went through to get to be able to pay with bitcoin

924
01:04:49,624 --> 01:04:57,344
and they said it went pretty pretty smoothly and they were you know and and it it seemed like not

925
01:04:57,344 --> 01:05:01,764
a big deal maybe to the hairdresser maybe it was a little annoying but they're like they they were

926
01:05:01,764 --> 01:05:08,704
in awe or they they spent the time to not take for granted how much work went into making this

927
01:05:08,704 --> 01:05:10,464
sort of meaningless Bitcoin payment.

928
01:05:11,464 --> 01:05:14,324
And this Bitcoin payment that seemed like it's not a big deal.

929
01:05:14,324 --> 01:05:24,584
Like how long it took to get just to this point where it's not full of, entirely full

930
01:05:24,584 --> 01:05:28,364
of complete headaches getting, being able to pay someone Bitcoin.

931
01:05:28,984 --> 01:05:33,324
And then also, you know, coming to terms with it not being super satisfying either.

932
01:05:33,324 --> 01:05:40,784
because it because the the hairdresser doesn't really understand the value of bitcoin and why

933
01:05:40,784 --> 01:05:48,044
this matters and you know they're they're kyc'd and it's custodial and you know what hopes do we

934
01:05:48,044 --> 01:05:55,224
have maybe that they're you know they're running a node in their closet someday and um so it's kind

935
01:05:55,224 --> 01:06:03,804
of a nice uh yeah a nice journey cool well i don't really have any thoughts on this but uh

936
01:06:03,804 --> 01:06:15,184
yeah keep doing it keep uh orange peeling your local business is um the next one we got is

937
01:06:15,184 --> 01:06:20,744
my post the first one i wanted to share was the uh was it the time to build winners

938
01:06:20,744 --> 01:06:29,384
keon do you see this i did see this yes i was a judge one of the partners were tether look at

939
01:06:29,384 --> 01:06:36,544
that they're doing good yeah i hear i hear they have their their thing look even pleb lat was a

940
01:06:36,544 --> 01:06:39,924
partner for this thing what do you think about that i think that's pretty awesome i didn't know

941
01:06:39,924 --> 01:06:44,484
even geyser you had partners so you guys did you guys go even draper labs too was a drink with

942
01:06:44,484 --> 01:06:49,204
do you guys have how do partners happen to you it's through a partnership keon turns out

943
01:06:49,204 --> 01:06:57,484
oh uh anyways for all right let's keep going so this was this was what breeze started last year

944
01:06:57,484 --> 01:07:01,784
when we did the yucatan we kicked off the event over there in the yucatan and then simultaneously

945
01:07:01,784 --> 01:07:05,604
it was happening and then like 50 other developer communities around the world

946
01:07:05,604 --> 01:07:13,724
uh it was pretty amazing man like to see how they were able to um just launch this one thing

947
01:07:13,724 --> 01:07:20,304
everywhere all at once i mean hats off to danny and the whole brace team like such a incredible

948
01:07:20,304 --> 01:07:25,864
thing to see just to witness it from the side and cheer them on and stuff and then um so yeah let's

949
01:07:25,864 --> 01:07:32,704
get into the winners the winners the first one was uh team a auge's uh they won for implementing

950
01:07:32,704 --> 01:07:42,364
a plugin for btc pay server uh and then the next one was brianna andre and alia they won for event

951
01:07:42,364 --> 01:07:49,564
too uh they implemented spark i believe so now you can run spark breezes okay yeah with spark yeah

952
01:07:49,564 --> 01:07:54,684
so you can run you can run that which is cool now you can take payments the other one was um

953
01:07:54,684 --> 01:08:01,464
portal portal did this really cool thing where they integrated breezes skate into portal um so

954
01:08:01,464 --> 01:08:08,724
which is a hardware wallet and a mobile app right and then uh the next one was from daniel he

955
01:08:08,724 --> 01:08:13,664
implemented lightning directly into the primal web app i was actually just talking to him before

956
01:08:13,664 --> 01:08:18,404
the show yeah yeah yeah i was talking to him before the show we're going over all the stuff

957
01:08:18,404 --> 01:08:25,084
that he's building so uh yeah and then there's a thousand special prize winners um from a lot of

958
01:08:25,084 --> 01:08:28,904
different places i think the coolest thing about this is just seeing all the different types of

959
01:08:28,904 --> 01:08:35,964
projects um a lot of it um definitely feels like it's moving more in a direction of like

960
01:08:35,964 --> 01:08:42,624
none of them like this is more just me like none of them outside of daniels feel social

961
01:08:42,624 --> 01:08:47,984
in the sense where it's just another social wallet attachment it's this all feels like actual um

962
01:08:47,984 --> 01:08:53,144
stuff that's getting built out you know whether it's like obs plugins or whether it's like event

963
01:08:53,144 --> 01:08:59,904
two or that kind of thing so it was great to see that um cool yeah that's pretty much it and then

964
01:08:59,904 --> 01:09:01,944
Draper you got Lib

965
01:09:01,944 --> 01:09:04,044
DeSatoshi and

966
01:09:04,044 --> 01:09:05,944
then we have Sparky Home

967
01:09:05,944 --> 01:09:08,004
so that's going to be one of the

968
01:09:08,004 --> 01:09:10,064
companies or projects that we'll

969
01:09:10,064 --> 01:09:11,964
be having inside of Startup School later this year

970
01:09:11,964 --> 01:09:14,164
so congrats

971
01:09:14,164 --> 01:09:14,704
to the winners

972
01:09:14,704 --> 01:09:17,144
anything here Kian?

973
01:09:17,624 --> 01:09:18,304
Do you want to say?

974
01:09:18,964 --> 01:09:21,384
No I don't think I have much to say

975
01:09:21,384 --> 01:09:24,124
I'm curious how all the Spark stuff shakes out

976
01:09:24,124 --> 01:09:25,024
and it's

977
01:09:25,024 --> 01:09:27,704
interesting to see

978
01:09:27,704 --> 01:09:29,464
Breeze

979
01:09:29,464 --> 01:09:37,404
um working with them and yeah i don't yeah it's uh are we gonna are we in a state chain future

980
01:09:37,404 --> 01:09:42,744
it appears so it appears that's where we're headed yeah i think but i don't i don't know

981
01:09:42,744 --> 01:09:49,064
how long that lasts uh sure i mean there's always iteration it's this place moves fast right um

982
01:09:49,064 --> 01:09:54,564
you know a few years ago no one was even using liquid so and then now everybody's using liquid

983
01:09:54,564 --> 01:09:58,384
well this has nothing to do with liquid but you know what i mean like as far as ecosystem the

984
01:09:58,384 --> 01:10:05,824
the technology moves fast technologies move fast yeah and then they those techno we switch away

985
01:10:05,824 --> 01:10:09,644
from those technologies when the trade-offs manifest which i that's what i'm mostly talking

986
01:10:09,644 --> 01:10:15,864
about is it's not clear to me when the trade-off like when and how the trade-offs of state chains

987
01:10:15,864 --> 01:10:23,404
will manifest and so that's why i think it's worth thinking about at least yeah well keep thinking

988
01:10:23,404 --> 01:10:30,624
about it thanks people keep building uh the next one i wanted to share was um explaining like on

989
01:10:30,624 --> 01:10:38,304
five spark this was uh created from uh roy so roy um wrote this out and he kind of i think he kind

990
01:10:38,304 --> 01:10:43,304
of explained it in like a this two-piece puzzle way where he talks about bob and alice and kind

991
01:10:43,304 --> 01:10:50,544
of goes through that whole lightning wallet explanation of how payments work but um i think

992
01:10:50,544 --> 01:10:54,884
that the interesting thing is he didn't use the word federation nowhere in here which i thought

993
01:10:54,884 --> 01:11:01,184
that's what sparks underlying thing was i could be wrong um yeah here goes he's talking about state

994
01:11:01,184 --> 01:11:04,984
chains but i don't know what did you think did you see this what did you think about it

995
01:11:04,984 --> 01:11:08,744
even had um i believe that david marcus even retweeted this too as well

996
01:11:08,744 --> 01:11:14,104
i i would believe he retweeted it um yeah i did not read it

997
01:11:14,104 --> 01:11:17,324
okay

998
01:11:17,324 --> 01:11:19,404
and yeah

999
01:11:19,404 --> 01:11:21,384
check it out stackers that was a good one

1000
01:11:21,384 --> 01:11:23,844
and then finally the last one I wanted to

1001
01:11:23,844 --> 01:11:25,464
share was

1002
01:11:25,464 --> 01:11:27,704
Project 11

1003
01:11:27,704 --> 01:11:29,664
so speaking of quantum

1004
01:11:29,664 --> 01:11:31,544
everybody loves it

1005
01:11:31,544 --> 01:11:33,424
Scoresby posted this

1006
01:11:33,424 --> 01:11:35,384
two days ago

1007
01:11:35,384 --> 01:11:36,884
a day ago

1008
01:11:36,884 --> 01:11:41,744
basically it was just talking about the

1009
01:11:41,744 --> 01:11:43,544
you know the whole

1010
01:11:43,544 --> 01:11:50,984
nick carter quantum stuff that was going over the holidays um and just pointing out that project 11

1011
01:11:50,984 --> 01:11:57,264
which is working on the the quantum threat against uh bitcoin had raised 20 million

1012
01:11:57,264 --> 01:12:06,224
from uh castle island so did you see this i did see the post i i lost interest in nick carter

1013
01:12:06,224 --> 01:12:12,824
around the time his star really began rising is that before he touched your bola or after

1014
01:12:12,824 --> 01:12:19,724
i think that was well yeah the but when he touched my bolo that kind of reignited our romance but

1015
01:12:19,724 --> 01:12:29,264
we've since become anyways uh but yeah i've i've talked i've talked to the ceo of project 11

1016
01:12:29,264 --> 01:12:35,464
um on early days so if you're interested check that out um i feel like i asked him some tough

1017
01:12:35,464 --> 01:12:44,184
questions um so i didn't know you had him on yeah okay yeah he was uh a16z he used to work at a16z

1018
01:12:45,064 --> 01:12:50,264
oh and then that's when he moved over to this who was the founder oh gosh i forget

1019
01:12:50,904 --> 01:12:59,304
talked to so many people who i forget i want to say alex say alex sounds about right is he from

1020
01:12:59,304 --> 01:13:00,144
from the United States?

1021
01:13:00,804 --> 01:13:01,004
Yeah.

1022
01:13:01,304 --> 01:13:01,584
Okay.

1023
01:13:02,924 --> 01:13:05,264
Anyways, that's all the stories that we have

1024
01:13:05,264 --> 01:13:07,484
this week on Snacker News

1025
01:13:07,484 --> 01:13:09,204
Live. We're going to jump into

1026
01:13:09,204 --> 01:13:11,304
the most

1027
01:13:11,304 --> 01:13:13,124
popular segment in Bitcoin, the

1028
01:13:13,124 --> 01:13:15,564
top cowboys.

1029
01:13:15,964 --> 01:13:16,944
Let's go here.

1030
01:13:17,664 --> 01:13:18,144
Doggy.

1031
01:13:18,724 --> 01:13:20,784
Get on down to the cowboys.

1032
01:13:20,884 --> 01:13:22,704
It's not here. It's in here.

1033
01:13:23,924 --> 01:13:24,184
Boom.

1034
01:13:24,724 --> 01:13:25,444
Oh, cowboys.

1035
01:13:26,744 --> 01:13:28,884
We got what's Snacker in hiding? Everybody knows who that is.

1036
01:13:28,884 --> 01:13:49,664
And we got Kube, Undiscipline, BlockchainBoo, GrayRuby, Satoshi, CryptoSensei, Optimism, Scoresby, OT, PoloKanemi, SimpleStacker, Wumble, End of the Mic, StillStacking, 117, Kefford, CLR, Den, Ehrman, WinterWeddy, Yeti, PillyTheKid, RDClark.

1037
01:13:49,944 --> 01:13:51,364
Kian, do you see anything here that's changing?

1038
01:13:52,304 --> 01:13:56,824
As far as I know, nothing's changed, but it probably has, and I just can't tell because it's...

1039
01:13:56,824 --> 01:13:57,984
We got ShockNet.

1040
01:13:58,884 --> 01:14:00,664
I got Socks

1041
01:14:00,664 --> 01:14:02,404
what a Socks ability these days

1042
01:14:02,404 --> 01:14:04,144
Socks is working on the editor

1043
01:14:04,144 --> 01:14:06,324
we're pretty much done with all the

1044
01:14:06,324 --> 01:14:07,924
buggy-ness

1045
01:14:07,924 --> 01:14:09,824
and we're moving on to

1046
01:14:09,824 --> 01:14:12,124
releasing the actual

1047
01:14:12,124 --> 01:14:14,124
things that people will be like

1048
01:14:14,124 --> 01:14:14,544
yay

1049
01:14:14,544 --> 01:14:18,284
got real Bitcoin doggy

1050
01:14:18,284 --> 01:14:19,504
we got Naut

1051
01:14:19,504 --> 01:14:22,284
Oscar, Coins Reporter

1052
01:14:22,284 --> 01:14:24,984
who else do we got?

1053
01:14:25,084 --> 01:14:25,884
Plutpoet79

1054
01:14:25,884 --> 01:14:27,524
dang she beat me

1055
01:14:27,524 --> 01:14:28,784
I won.

1056
01:14:29,784 --> 01:14:30,584
Look, I'm 80.

1057
01:14:30,664 --> 01:14:31,144
She's 79.

1058
01:14:34,324 --> 01:14:35,264
Good thing she's not here.

1059
01:14:35,344 --> 01:14:36,224
Shoot it through that in my face.

1060
01:14:37,004 --> 01:14:37,364
Cool.

1061
01:14:38,164 --> 01:14:38,744
That's what we got.

1062
01:14:40,504 --> 01:14:41,704
Top Cowboy Ski on.

1063
01:14:44,144 --> 01:14:46,164
Have you ever rode a horse before?

1064
01:14:46,544 --> 01:14:47,264
I think so, yeah.

1065
01:14:47,744 --> 01:14:48,444
I believe when I was a kid.

1066
01:14:48,764 --> 01:14:49,084
Okay.

1067
01:14:49,444 --> 01:14:51,144
Like a donkey or a real horse?

1068
01:14:51,844 --> 01:14:52,664
What do you mean donkey?

1069
01:14:53,404 --> 01:14:53,924
Well, there's like.

1070
01:14:53,924 --> 01:14:54,744
I've ridden a horse.

1071
01:14:55,164 --> 01:14:56,144
Okay, you've ridden a real horse.

1072
01:14:56,144 --> 01:14:56,704
I believe so.

1073
01:14:56,704 --> 01:14:58,724
I've ridden a camel, too, when I was a kid.

1074
01:14:58,804 --> 01:15:00,764
Well, you said you believe so, so it could have been a donkey.

1075
01:15:00,824 --> 01:15:01,364
I don't remember.

1076
01:15:01,424 --> 01:15:01,944
I was a kid.

1077
01:15:02,324 --> 01:15:04,204
I don't have the best memory.

1078
01:15:04,344 --> 01:15:04,784
You know this.

1079
01:15:05,284 --> 01:15:06,344
The stackers know this card.

1080
01:15:06,404 --> 01:15:07,104
It doesn't have a good memory.

1081
01:15:07,764 --> 01:15:08,544
Come on, poop.

1082
01:15:10,844 --> 01:15:13,324
We got comments from YouTube.

1083
01:15:14,904 --> 01:15:16,724
This guy from Elite Savior, he says,

1084
01:15:16,804 --> 01:15:18,084
Linux phones is the solution.

1085
01:15:18,424 --> 01:15:20,484
If everyone switches to Linux, we have freedom.

1086
01:15:20,944 --> 01:15:23,704
Steam OS, all sectors of devices.

1087
01:15:23,704 --> 01:15:30,764
when users move it forces development of apps maybe normalize two foes that's a gateway system

1088
01:15:30,764 --> 01:15:40,884
do you agree or disagree kian um i know you're a two phone advocate i am a two phone advocate

1089
01:15:40,884 --> 01:15:48,604
uh that wasn't me though it's another smart man or woman linux phones is the solution i'm just not

1090
01:15:48,604 --> 01:15:52,684
I just don't know why Linux phones are the solution.

1091
01:15:52,804 --> 01:15:58,584
I think Linux, if we had a kernel that we liked on mobile that was like Linux.

1092
01:15:58,584 --> 01:16:04,124
I think he's saying that because Android's getting kind of, you know, it's scary.

1093
01:16:04,124 --> 01:16:04,424
I don't know.

1094
01:16:04,924 --> 01:16:06,984
Does Android run on the Linux kernel?

1095
01:16:07,264 --> 01:16:07,544
I don't think.

1096
01:16:07,644 --> 01:16:09,924
I mean, just hearing from what the guys talk about, like a lot of it,

1097
01:16:10,004 --> 01:16:11,444
now they're going to start having like app.

1098
01:16:11,944 --> 01:16:17,684
You have to start like, you know, submitting your apps to the Android ecosystem,

1099
01:16:17,684 --> 01:16:25,204
app store then there's other things that are happening with their devices now um so i can

1100
01:16:25,204 --> 01:16:30,124
see why people are more cautious of android now than ever before because that wasn't the case

1101
01:16:30,124 --> 01:16:39,344
so yeah i just don't know what i i thought i thought android used a linux kernel or but maybe

1102
01:16:39,344 --> 01:16:44,124
it's maybe it's their own kernel uh i don't know i just don't know what what difference it

1103
01:16:44,124 --> 01:16:46,624
I would say Elite Savior.

1104
01:16:48,244 --> 01:16:49,624
I think you're onto something.

1105
01:16:49,784 --> 01:16:51,664
I think get yourself a surveillance phone

1106
01:16:51,664 --> 01:16:53,304
and then get yourself a graphic phone.

1107
01:16:53,744 --> 01:16:55,544
But it sounds like he wants Linux phones

1108
01:16:55,544 --> 01:16:56,564
instead of a graphic phone.

1109
01:16:57,844 --> 01:16:58,924
So there you go.

1110
01:17:00,764 --> 01:17:01,784
Next we have Vake.

1111
01:17:01,884 --> 01:17:04,644
Vake said, I have no clue what any of this means,

1112
01:17:04,704 --> 01:17:05,824
but I know killing is wrong.

1113
01:17:06,844 --> 01:17:07,824
So there you go.

1114
01:17:08,664 --> 01:17:09,984
I don't know what that was.

1115
01:17:11,084 --> 01:17:13,404
Response to Vake just says stuff randomly sometimes.

1116
01:17:14,124 --> 01:17:22,864
then i got uh some fountain comments we got one from blockchain boo says zap and then user 222

1117
01:17:22,864 --> 01:17:29,044
says stay in your lane which we never do because that would be boring for a show

1118
01:17:29,044 --> 01:17:36,704
gian what are you doing this weekend uh i don't have any plans i'll probably

1119
01:17:36,704 --> 01:17:42,224
can you make that face like sailor later jimmy i don't know what's it what face can you make that

1120
01:17:42,224 --> 01:17:48,624
face i don't think so because i have a different face can you go like that the way he is like he's

1121
01:17:48,624 --> 01:17:55,344
just no i's sniping at danny i choose not danny look at that i don't feel like in the mood for

1122
01:17:55,344 --> 01:18:01,384
making faces on command so oh yeah that's right you got you get mad when people say make do

1123
01:18:01,384 --> 01:18:06,144
something on command i forgot about that yeah everyone gets mad at that it's just the people

1124
01:18:06,144 --> 01:18:13,844
who ask people to do it they yeah you especially which is awesome i love it yeah don't don't don't

1125
01:18:13,844 --> 01:18:20,764
speak it to the mic don't speak it to the way anyways uh what do you do this week keon

1126
01:18:20,764 --> 01:18:30,264
i'm um moving out of this little office space uh i don't know what are you doing we love you here

1127
01:18:30,264 --> 01:18:37,684
oh um you're trapped yeah i don't think i have any plans i'm probably not gonna do anything so

1128
01:18:37,684 --> 01:18:41,444
that's that's what are you building this weekend then what am i building this weekend it's just

1129
01:18:41,444 --> 01:18:46,904
kind of boring everything i do is kind of boring so really yeah it'll probably be boring stuff

1130
01:18:46,904 --> 01:18:51,904
i'm working primarily on onboarding things and so it's all like these little things that so the

1131
01:18:51,904 --> 01:18:56,704
onboarding flow the friction yeah there's like tons of friction that just accumulated that we

1132
01:18:56,704 --> 01:19:01,484
never addressed because we were just working on the wallets for so long so i'll be doing that stuff

1133
01:19:01,484 --> 01:19:05,264
and no one cares especially people who are already using sacra news don't care because they don't

1134
01:19:05,264 --> 01:19:11,704
experience it and so it'll just be yeah i'm working on that but it's um do you keep like a

1135
01:19:11,704 --> 01:19:20,224
diary for the stuff that you build besides github no not really spoken diary i don't speak into a

1136
01:19:20,224 --> 01:19:27,004
diary do you for building stuff no but i definitely journal oh yeah yeah i don't really

1137
01:19:27,004 --> 01:19:31,824
cool how about you what are you doing this weekend i'm gonna go with my friends tonight um

1138
01:19:31,824 --> 01:19:36,104
normie friends normie friends yeah i'm gonna have my friends tonight they're my friends

1139
01:19:36,104 --> 01:19:42,164
um but that's pretty much it that's all i'm gonna do that's cool are you going to say the

1140
01:19:42,164 --> 01:19:51,244
stuff that's happening no no i'm pretty i'm pretty uh pretty busy with some other stuff but um

1141
01:19:51,244 --> 01:19:58,324
it should be fun i can't wait to see what gets built should be good um yeah yeah all right

1142
01:19:58,324 --> 01:20:04,184
stackers oh actually let me see if we have any comments and we do oh simple stacker said looking

1143
01:20:04,184 --> 01:20:11,664
forward to y'all's opinion on the sailor fiasco dang well it got spicy oh i'm sorry i don't think

1144
01:20:11,664 --> 01:20:17,344
got very spicy we were just like how about that sailor guy huh and then what was it in the house

1145
01:20:17,344 --> 01:20:22,064
there you go cool stackers have yourself a great weekend we'll see you next week