Live from Blood Lab in Austin, Texas, this is Stacker News Live!
What?
You on here?
Hello, what's up?
Everyone on the internet.
What's up, Internet?
It's me.
It's you.
A guy.
And me.
Today's going to be a spicy show, man.
You think so?
Sure.
I feel like you predict that every week.
No, this one's going to be really spicy.
Oh, are you?
Is that because you're Mexican and you brought some salsa?
That's racist.
I know.
That's the kind of racism I love.
It's endearing racism.
That's right.
We like the racism where it's like.
Endearing.
Yeah, it's like I know where you come from.
I know where you come from and I know you like chips and salsa.
yeah so let's talk about that and how great that is do i really do love a bean and cheese taco
that's in my blood you like a what i love a bean and cheese taco oh yeah a bean and cheese burritos
are a big we're a big thing when i was being cheese burritos are in california but i was like
you know in california yeah because they have burritos in california right that's like a big
thing burritos yeah burritos i've had a california burrito they put french fries in their burritos
it makes no sense they will do that yeah that's weird it's not that it's not that confusing
actually why would you put french fries just as filler yeah like you put rice and beans in a
burrito because no i don't put rice in my burrito okay it's all filler dude okay but beans are not
filler beans are not filler it's a part of the burrito i think it's like almost a filler yeah
i grew up eating like meat inside the burrito it was more meat than anything and that's what
avocado you know that's what i was impressed by when i came and had tacos for the first time in
austin i was like this is a this is a beef no filler it's all killer no filler all killer no
feller yeah that's the that should be a taco stand who would you uh would you do this week
how was your week um i didn't do anything this week which is great news um and it's usual news
yeah uh it's old it's not news yeah blood poet i picked up on that it not being news um what
else happened i feel like you you had something go on this week didn't you no no yeah that's right
i had my quinceanera and uh my dad acknowledged my um me having my period and being a whoa
yeah you just go there don't you and try to keep this pg-13 man dude
yeah i know but it's weird when keon talks about it no it's just what do you mean when
you're talking about you don't get periods here is there something everyone experiences
at some point or another right not this guy answer viewers um so yeah how about you how
was yours car it was good my internet's not loading um it was good it's just been a busy
busy week i took a took a day off this week it was nice it's nice to take a nice day off
you had a what i said i took a day off this week it was nice oh yeah yeah day off's good yeah you
were going pretty hard there for a few days yeah it was uh it's just really busy right now because
south by and stuff like that that's coming up so south by is like in three months bro
it comes pretty fast if you don't pay attention to it um yeah but that's pretty much what i've
been up to um taking a break trying to retweet all the stuff but i get ready for three months from
now um 58 days from now what was i gonna say jackets um let's jump into if you oh yeah if
you've ever seen this crazy show before it's called second use live we cover the top five
stories or the top three stories on the front page of bitcoin stacker.news and uh take the
opportunity to unsubscribe.
Wumble's picks this week
was the most popular one was the graphing one.
So check that one out. People love
talking about graphing or
hearing about graphing.
And then make sure to don't hit subscribe.
People keep subscribing and
it's getting pretty ridiculous now.
Be proactive and unsubscribe. I would say be
proactive and unsubscribe. If it showed up in your YouTube feed,
you've made a mistake. Yeah.
And you'll want to go and check your settings.
It's not a podcast you want to listen to if you want to
how would I say?
yeah if you want to have a good day don't listen to this podcast
yeah if you like your life being good
yeah don't want to hear
yeah I would say if you don't want to hear
the truth don't listen to this podcast
it's very much just all alpha
we can't hear you because you're not talking to the microphone
so unless Keon hands over the microphone
Which he won't
But he won't
With all that we're going to jump into the top 5 stories of the week
Top 3 stories of the week
We used to do the top 5
We used to do the top 5 but
It just got too long and Darth Coins started complaining
Where's mine at?
It's right here
It's been a busy day
Doing a lot
Alright the number 3 top story this week is
Catty Days
whoa look at that this is catty days this is from siggy 47 keon what's this yeah siggy uh tells the
story of him being a caddy and i think in new york i don't know he didn't list i don't think
the exact place that he was a caddy i guess they're called loopers which is which was new to
me which is kind of fun i don't know exactly why they're called loopers i should i meant to look
this up but i think uh it has to it either has to do with the fact that they loop a bag of golf
clubs on yeah or it's that they do a loop when they do a course of golf so i don't know uh
yes that's how you might pronounce it if you have a new york accent
he didn't say he didn't tell us to say that
pronounce it pronounced lupa in new york but we're in texas so
yeah um okay yeah but he it was it's a it was really well told really fun to read
kind of it's like bagger vance on stacker news really
the will smith movie yeah i don't recall it being a good movie especially at the age i watched it but
it was a movie that had will smith in it yeah i think 10 cup is probably my favorite golf movie
besides happy gilmore the first one okay i don't think i've seen 10 cup i was too old for caddyshack
or too young for caddyshack so i missed that one yeah a little too slapstick some of that stuff
back then for me i'll watch it at some point but see i guess siggy was just at the end of his tenure
as a is that him right there lupa um yeah i would i would guess not and i would guess there weren't
black and white photos like this back then and it also looks like it has some kind of tie the tie
so short watermark on it i think that was the style or maybe it was just like tuck this tie was
tucked in oh yeah it looks kind of tucked in yeah i like looking at old photos like that so
siggy tells the account of his time being a lupa and his he like gambled and his we need to get
janet a mic next week you're getting a mic because i just hear all this like side chatter and i'm
like this is good for the podcast he had a fun um he's for the staggers that are not listening to
at home it's just like every other word that comes out of keon's mouth she's just like saying
random words see there it goes again right there we'll get it on the next show all right keep going
uh uh his boss tony i guess was fun and he was like a bookie of some kind i think that's what
they're called where he like takes bets um and yeah i didn't and then it it ends with him telling
the story of him i think double double bagging it as a double a double looping it is double bagging
something weird is it like inappropriate i don't know you keep you only have one you started with
the period so i didn't keep going oh i see you're stuck there just keep going just go for it
yeah uh he was a caddy for a woman and it went you know it had hilarity in it where he where he
like she hated him and fired him.
She fell over and exposed
to everyone that she was the orange
idiot.
Oh.
She fell over.
We're not getting any of this.
I kind of want to stop and just go grab that mic right there.
Blame Siggy.
She can grab the mic. Can you grab it?
You want to grab it? It's in the orange bag.
There's a mic.
Yeah, there's a mic in the orange bag.
Is it in there?
Is it in the bottom?
It's basically just a hand mic.
I think it's the one that we taped up.
Is it in there?
Anyways.
Yeah, pretty cool.
Pretty cool thing.
Yeah, I thought it was fun.
I don't know.
I didn't know what it was like working on a golf course.
It seems really fun.
It seems like a good time.
No mic there?
No.
There's not one in there?
No? Okay.
Alright.
I guess I'll get it next week.
Dang, that sucks.
Unless you want to take over here and I can find it.
Okay.
Is it in their queue?
I don't know.
I don't have x-ray vision.
It's not there?
Oh, it is there.
Oh, it's not there.
Okay.
dang that sucks anyways cool well yeah i i was gonna say it seems fun it seems like
i imagine working at a restaurant is like sort of but probably even probably more chill because
you're not really working as hard as a lot of like standing around although it's probably a
bit of hard work because it's in the storage box then sorry i just remembered that right now if
it's not in there.
No, it's been broken.
That's a Calvin Klein
orange bag.
I love that bag.
It's my favorite bag.
Anyways, Keon,
let's go back to this.
Should we? Really?
No, I'm done. I think I'm finished.
Is that all I want to say?
Every time we come back
to it, it's an opportunity.
It's what stackers pay for.
They pay for this kind of look somewhere else.
It's live, man.
We're not pre-recorded this.
It's another reminder to unsubscribe.
We warned you.
Definitely unsubscribe to this.
Sorry, Stiggy.
We ruined your whole post.
I didn't read it.
It was just too long.
But it sounds great from what you told me.
I didn't even know this was a thing.
Lupus.
I didn't know they called them loopers.
I think it's lupa.
He said lupa.
Like Koopa, Koopa Troopa, Loopa.
Yeah.
The number two top story this week on Stacker News Live
is a mathematical theory of payment channel networks.
This is from SimpleStacker.
He always drops some really good stuff.
Keon, what's this?
Yeah, so Rene Picard, who's someone who likes to get
deeply into theoretical things on the Lightning Network,
dropped a new paper previously we had seen them do other work on payment on i think payment
reliability and like algorithms for making payments more reliable and i think this is an extension of
that work where he attempts to i think develop a model that a model suggests the like the limited
feasibility of payments on the lightning network and how they're kind of they're kind of doomed i
guess to be to be less remote or less reliable less reliable than we want them to be like we're
never going to have we're never going to be able to redistribute all all bitcoin i think perfectly
on or how we'd want to on the lightning network assuming a static a relatively static network
That's kind of my gist of.
Oh, that one's it.
Yeah.
Cool.
Can you get into one of those?
Yeah.
Just like probably the fourth.
Yeah.
Just push it in.
Make sure it has a, yeah.
Yeah.
Should we live talk in there?
Hello?
Oh, yeah.
You can hear you now.
Awesome. So now we have a play poet.
Now you get to know what she's saying. Okay, cool. Go for it, Kia.
I'm going now. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't, so I didn't, I also didn't, I didn't read the paper fully.
I mostly skimmed it for conclusions and stuff like that.
Whenever I do, whenever I read an academic paper, I'll usually start at the introduction and read the conclusion
and then decide whether I want to go deeper into it.
So I didn't go much deeper into this one.
SimpleStacker does a good job, I think,
of kind of summarizing what might be in the middle,
although they admitted that they didn't look deeply into the model
beyond attempting to understand what it was saying conceptually.
Yeah, but the conclusion is that we can't,
We can't reliably distribute Bitcoin on the Lightning Network, assuming it's like static and doesn't change.
because we have, there will be sections of the network
that are inaccessible at certain amounts
given the way that channels work
is maybe a decent conclusion.
But he has some nice graphs here.
And if you like scroll up to the one with two circles on it,
the one with two circles,
Yeah, there we go.
But this is like the simplest diagram or one of the simpler diagrams that you can make of this.
But if A tries to pay D more than one Bitcoin, it won't work, basically.
Even though the Lightning Network has deployed onto it here 21 units, more than one unit attempting to travel from the left side to the right side will not succeed.
this kind of what the paper tries to formalize this arrangement
so that we can maybe draw conclusions
even at a much larger scale,
like the actual lightning network.
Yeah, Rene has a few suggestions about how to deal with this,
and multi-party channels is kind of the main suggestion that he makes
because within a multi-party channel,
the multiple parties in that channel
can redistribute coins arbitrarily.
So it has less of this effect
than a situation where each individual has their own node.
Wasn't that what Super was creating when he made the...
Where basically it was going to be like
you were going to go through one of these nodes
and then the node was going to pay out
once you've received...
How is that working?
Gosh.
It was basically
you were sending funds
to an address that
didn't know
those funds
had landed yet or something
like that. Zap Locker?
Yeah, wasn't that what he was doing?
No.
That was on the Lightning Network though
which is
the...
then yeah the layer that because in this in this instance he's talking about if you want to send a
full bitcoin then you'd have to go through nodes that would have to pay out that full bitcoin for
the receiver address right is that what he's saying here is that what you're basically saying
yeah i mean you can just if you look at that chart yeah if a is trying to send two bitcoin to d
they have a link between them that only that can only transmit one bitcoin at most and so you just
can't transmit to bitcoin for me though the limit is like channel capacity or yeah fees well yeah
that's the the numbers represent the channel capacity so only one bitcoin assuming it's all
the liquidity is all on the side of b only one bitcoin can travel from a side of the network to
I thought that's what he was doing, where he was basically going to just-in-time liquidity, where he was doing that?
No.
Maybe I'm wrong.
No, no, no.
ZapBlocker is all about receiving payments offline.
It has nothing to do with...
UTXO dealership is about miners selling their clean UTXOs.
I just want to name all the super projects I can.
As far as I know, he hasn't done any work on coin pools and multi-parts.
yeah like i think multi-party channels another another name or an adjacent
an adjacent kind of thing did you read this nick didn't read this
i'm sad that he doesn't have a phd but also that's pretty rad to not have a phd
no car i think it was someone brought it up because we were just naming super projects
because super's worked on lightning before i thought that was the same thing but any still
does hey i'm here to ask dumb questions and i don't mean to be i don't care if this okay
but this is how we educate people i ask them dumb questions super doesn't work on lightning anymore
i think i don't know what super does i think he actually don't know either
yeah that's too bad i haven't heard from so long time so you're saying we can't sit more
than a Bitcoin if the channel capacity is less than one Bitcoin.
Yeah.
The problem is, is that as you distribute Bitcoin,
as you distribute Bitcoin on the lightning network,
the total capacity of the network can't travel arbitrarily
to other parts of the network.
Yeah.
It is limited by the constraints of all of the paths on the network And it it just it sort of um it sort of counterintuitive i guess so basically just validated everything we already do about the
lightning network right um and its limitations it form like formalized i think that the
the kind of feeling a lot of people have about
lightning like lightning not being able to move all bit all the bitcoin so that's why we need arc
is what you're saying no that is not because lightning is meant for small transactions
yeah i don't i don't think that this invalidates lightning's use case it's just isn't a perfect
scaling layer for bitcoin has kind of it's not the it's not it's not absolutely perfect it comes
like putting Bitcoin on Lightning,
or if we put all Bitcoin on a layer two like Lightning,
it would run into this limitation
where you can't redistribute it arbitrarily
anywhere in the network,
like the 21 million Bitcoin arbitrarily in a network,
however you want.
It would be constrained by these things
that are largely out of your control.
Assuming a static network,
unless channels got moved or spliced in or whatever.
Yeah.
But it's good to have this rigorous argument.
Did Optimism look at this post or no?
Yeah, he had a comment that was pretty good.
What did he say here?
I don't think it was that one.
Not that one.
But did I make that up?
I thought I...
His main concern was about privacy primarily.
through this through through the light through the lightning work is network is that what you're
saying yeah i i recall reading this i think he was concerned about uh
subnets being identified on on lightning as a result of like a uh
yeah if we like and i if we can if we can if we have a section of the network that is
easily identified perhaps we can view like membership changes and that is bad for the
privacy and certain i'm not exactly sure what he meant by that comment i thought the more
and then so simple stacker ends this post by saying that a nice the next step for the model
he thinks is to consider um is to consider that human human behavior exists on the lightning
network and instant and economic incentives exist on the lightning network and that the
network is not static cool uh yeah so we can hear you on the mic i'm just kidding wait what
i'm just kidding thank god don't tell me i was i was getting a very important message um but i
cannot share with anybody we heard it all on the mic just kidding no i held it away no i'm just
kidding it picks up really well cool uh do you have anything else you want to say on this q
no no okay cool we're gonna jump into the number one story this week it's called private broadcast
of local transactions transactions transactions merged what's this owned yeah vd contributed
pull request to bitcoin core almost three years ago um i think the first one was closed
and then they reopened it they reopened it again after making some changes and that one finally
got merged so the second one he linked to in that post was the one that got merged what this pr does
is it when you when you submit a transaction via rpc send raw transaction uh it will open a one-time
like a a brief connection to another peer over an anonymity overlay like tor or i2p
and then give them their transaction
and then close the connection.
And the reason you want to do this
is because there are,
and 0x1BTC has done a number of posts on this,
we've covered on this podcast before,
but there are nodes on Bitcoin's network
that are attempting to listen to transactions
as they get created and submitted on the network,
which if they have enough nodes on the network
and their analysis is good enough
they can basically say that this transaction
was initially sent to the network from this node
and this node has these IP addresses
and so you can kind of link a Bitcoin address
to an IP address
and do some rough guesses
about Bitcoin and where they're located and stuff.
Anyway, so this kind of helps you maintain your privacy
as you're submitting transactions to the network.
And it's a first step.
They kept it pretty well-scoped
where it's just via this RPC that this happens.
And I believe it's opt-in.
And then I think they plan in the future
to listen to PR, a few extensions
that have been suggested and they might do,
but it seems like a pretty great improvement
to Bitcoin privacy for transaction submission.
And yeah, just kind of cool
and kind of shows the life cycle of a PR to Bitcoin Core
and how many people chimed in and gave opinions
and reviewed it and how rigorous it is.
um i was i was like impressed i saw and i'm just seeing some of the familiar names in the
in the pr chime in um i just thought that was really kind of cool cool pretty neat so i guess
this means you won't need an electrum server is that what you're saying no no i don't electrum i
I think I believe most people use Electrum servers to to not have to run a full node and be able to.
Great, like spy, not spy, but to grab transactions that they might need.
From another node, that is my.
So this is this is about you submitting a transaction that you create.
I'm paying you and I don't want.
Oh, this is more from the wallet point of view.
That's from the payer's perspective,
or the person who's constructed a transaction
or submitting a transaction's point of view.
So I'm paying you,
but I don't want anyone on the network to know
that the Bitcoin address I'm spending from
belongs to my IP address or my Onion address.
I don't have my Onion address, but my Onion identity,
my Tor identity, my Tor pub key.
Nice.
Oh, yeah, this is awesome.
Can I say a little anecdote about onions?
Sure.
I'm reading a book right now, which is called The Brothers Karamazov.
And there's this brief little story about how someone who can give up a single onion can earn heaven.
So there you go.
There we go.
It makes sense.
um cool did you guys have anything else on this
oh no okay well that's all the top stories this week on stagger news live we're gonna jump into
wombo's picks because wombo picks really great spicy topics every week i can't wait to hear
y'all's opinion on this stuff especially did you watch this jenna it's like i want to be excited
about Wombo's picks,
but then I hear you say Wombo,
and it hurts every time. Wombo's picks.
Wombo's picks.
Wombo's Wombo's Wombo's picks. It really hurts.
All right, we're going to do
Wombo's pick. He had this one here,
which was the
Sailor talking financial
blankety blank on what Bitcoin did.
Fireworks promises from Den.
35 comments, 2,114 cents.
Keon, what is this post, and who
is Sailor?
So Michael
Michael Saylor runs the world's biggest Bitcoin treasury company, which is to say they are a publicly traded company that sells equity.
And with the proceeds, they buy Bitcoin with it.
And they do that as much as they possibly can.
And then they try to get into as much debt as possible to buy Bitcoin.
And that's who Michael Saylor is.
He was the first to do it, right?
I think he was the first to do it.
um it was the first thing and i think in this podcast he mentions that was the biggest
publicly the largest he made the largest publicly known bitcoin purchase at the time
in like 2020 or whatever um and then everybody knew he had big balls
what yeah because yes because it was public yeah yeah we saw his balls and um we're all we were
all impressed and now we buy shares on his balls and worship him yeah cool uh let me get to wumble's
question wumble's question was oh my god was sailor giving some tough love to the bitcoin
community or was this more of an emotional response from sailor let me just play it real
quick for the stackers and ignorance of people that invest in businesses for a living like the
the venture capitalist literally has a job where he has to invest capital a digital company that
he basically he basically kind of gets mad at danny here um oh how would you describe it
kian did you watch this or should i explain it danny just asked how many his his question was
pretty simple he asked how many pure play bitcoin treasury companies can exist with mike when there's
There's MicroStrategy, which is like way ahead in terms of the pure play strategy and has all of these features, basically, of their stock.
These other preferred, these other share types and vehicles and whatever they add to their treasury company.
Like, how are they going to be compete?
Like, why would anyone buy another pure play strategy, another pure play Bitcoin treasury company?
And he responded to Danny by basically saying Danny was an idiot for even bothering to ask.
And that's a stupid question.
And it's where his question implicitly attacks any Bitcoiner who wants to buy Bitcoin.
And that Danny is a representative of everything that's wrong in the Bitcoin community.
And Danny, like all other Bitcoiners, likes to eat as young.
and yeah he did say that well several times well uh i don't i thought it was a fair question um
it is you know and he says no he's like he's like no bitcoin company is no other which treasure
which treasury company is pure play all treasury companies are different and but there are several
of them like the especially a few of them that followed on uh in the united states that i was
aware of, they were touting that they were going to be a more pure play than strategy early on.
And he's like, well, no, every company does something different. And these treasury companies,
they're a different company that has some trade-offs associated with them.
but that's pure means pure. It means they're, you know, uh, if I, if I have distilled water,
pure water, pure H2O, it's undifferentiated from other pure water, other, uh, distilled water. So
I, I just don't know. Was there an actual threat in the question? No, it was a very simple question.
All he was trying to say is, all he was trying to do is get them to talk about
talk about the reality of there really only needed to be one pure play
bitcoin treasury company if there's maybe maybe geographic there's like some geographic
advantages maybe maybe you have a fund in brazil that can only buy brazilian
uh equities and maybe that makes sense to have a pure play
Oh, Ted wants to say something.
Ted is a big...
There you go.
Here comes Ted to talk about his take on this.
I have two maybe perceptions or possible takes on it.
One is that maybe Michael Saylor was taking more issue with the word play than pure.
so I think maybe he was reading into play
to mean like the sort of moral illegitimacy
of the micro strategy treasury strategy
and I think he might have been reacting to that more
just like defensive
very defensive
and which I do think is like
he was reacting to maybe a bigger Twitter conversation
and then using Danny as a proxy
and then taking the pure play out of context
That could be my read on it as to why he would react like this.
And then the other answer that he could have given to answer Danny's question is that the
derivatives market is like a whatever quadrillion.
It's a four to one ratio.
So if you add up all the assets in the world, something like $500 trillion.
And if you add up all the derivatives on those assets, it's like two quadrillion.
So you have a four to one ratio of derivatives to assets in the world, which is super messed
up.
Shouldn't be like that.
But you could argue that the Bitcoin treasury strategy could go after a $2 quadrillion market.
So to answer Danny's question of how many more companies like this can the world support, my argument would be it would be $2 quadrillion worth.
So an unfathomably large number that breaks everything because you can't have $2 quadrillion absorbed into Bitcoin.
That doesn't work.
But it can certainly eat that market.
Great, great answer.
um thank you yeah do you got any other thoughts janet did you chime in well i i didn't listen to
the podcast you didn't oh then this is why you should chime in exactly i'm gonna pull a car
and i'm gonna say that i think that uh i thought the question was gonna be like
um like like shitting on the plebs so i was about to like no say like no
but Danny is cool so shout out Danny that's it yeah I think I see it I see it more like
I think Danny was just doing his job obviously he's like he I would consider him more journalist
just like Peter was so he's asking him the questions everybody wants the answers to which
I did when I saw this I think Saylor has he has every right to respond however he wants but I mean
He's a publicly traded company.
You have to answer these questions.
So he needs to figure that out.
But I actually thought that he's not a chairman.
I thought he was just a chairman on the board.
Is he the CEO still?
Oh.
Oh?
Finance CEO.
Oh, so he's the CEO of just that.
Okay.
Well, then I got my facts wrong.
But it seems like consensus from our conversation would say that it was, like one both suggested, an emotional response.
yeah i would say one was right it definitely was a emotional response but that's what you do when
you're the ceo you got to take those questions and then that's it looks like his house too so
he invited him in it's like but danny's just doing his job that's how i see it like gotta play ball
if you if you don't if he danny doesn't ask that question then people aren't going to listen to his
podcast this is why people listen to his podcast because he's going to ask the tough questions
me personally the three of you oh okay like on behalf of sailor the question would be like how
would you go about assessing the moral legitimacy of the uh debt bitcoin strategy like that like
that that's where i feel like this conversation should have gone if they really wanted to address
this issue and like actually just discuss like you know if sailor didn't react so emotionally
then they could have actually had a really interesting conversation about like where do
draw the line uh for example me and nick had a cool conversation about this which is um you know
like is it are you just sort of fooling people if you're if you're issuing them these fiat debt
products that are maybe higher return than they get with other derivatives uh but you're just using
it to buy bitcoin because you have that information arbitrage so you know that bitcoin's better
so in some sense you're kind of tricking them but you could the other person could argue well
Actually, that's totally valid because they weren't going to buy Bitcoin alternatively.
They were just going to buy a bond from some other company.
So really, they were going to buy this from someone.
You're not tricking them.
They're just – that's their belief.
And then we'll see who's right in the long run.
I got some thoughts on that.
I think ultimately, yeah, it's just a tool.
So I don't think you can argue there's like a moral thing on it.
I also think that Saylor is a smart man, so he knows what he's doing.
I do think the preferred stuff is a little bit tricky because from my understanding, those provide dividends every quarter or something like that based off the research I did before the show.
And then the other thing that's going to be interesting is like the MNAV, right?
And that's how much Bitcoin is on their balance sheet compared to what the company is actually worth.
And apparently this year they're below one or teeter-tonnering on the edge of one MNAV.
And from the last time they were there, it was in 2021 or no, 22.
when there was a bear market so i actually think that um all the other stuff that he's doing
irregardless of the fact it's just he's playing he's playing he's almost playing that premium game
where he needs to keep doing these and um but i feel like there's anybody that could pull it off
a sailor i don't i'm not saying that he can't pull it off i'm just saying it's just gonna be
very tricky but he was the one who invented the thing so i think i think he'll be fine
but that's my take on it is it immoral i don't think i don't think you can go into more morality
and i i've come over to this side um over the years because i didn't start off this way but
i think when it comes to like capital markets and stuff like that i don't think you can you can you
can you can do that because he's like he says it in the interview that he's literally just running
a business it's his job to um show value there and um i think it's uh i think it's but i think
if he was i think if he was a private company it'd be different but since he's a he's a public
company he has he has to do this but that's exactly what people say when they shirk responsibility
yeah it's like i it's i was just this whole market is unethical and i'm just and so and
Well, because I'm here, I have to do unethical things.
So it's not me.
The money's already broken.
Like the money's broken.
Like we can all agree the money's broken.
That's where it's from.
Do I like what he's doing?
No because I like it a zero sum game Bitcoin And whoever has the most Bitcoin wins So I don like what he doing but he playing the game why why would you get upset about that what about people who do who play who the game is a dog fight is that
their their dog is just winning it just it just uh ripped open the other dog you're talking about
like if we watch a dog fight like i'm i'm not gonna let that happen in front of me i'm gonna
pull those dogs off that's like okay because you feel like you can do something that's it that's a
different thing i know it's a different thing but no it's related it's a different it's a different
thing i think there is an abstract moral principle about debt but i don't know what it is
no i think i think that's true because it's it's it's it it is a very it's like a it's a sort of a
cantillion construction and so sailor is playing the game sailor is taking from the public's coffers
or the energy that the government is kind of siphoning off of human beings throughout the
economy and he is pumping it into his own bitcoin bag i would even say like coinbase is going to
benefit from all this more than anybody else because that's where he holds it right does he
hold it just in coinbase custody yeah that's kind of playing out things that haven't happened yet if
you assume that coinbase is going to somehow run off with i'm not saying they're going to run off
i'm saying like it's good business for them i would say uh for coinbase custody because if uh
you got you got microstrategy who's literally winning the game of bitcoin out there and
looks good for coinbase it's uh i mean first question is where are you holding that bitcoin
if I'm invested in that stock, right?
At least that's what you should be asking,
but maybe they're asking about returns.
I don't know.
Do you got any thoughts, Ted?
That was your question.
I guess one thought I'll add is
I feel like part of this could go back
to the principle of libertarianism
where this is the debate, I would argue,
between like the Eric Voorhees camp
where they say,
hey, look, if people want to buy shit coins,
sell them shit coins.
It doesn't matter if I think it's a shit coin or not.
In fact, it's even better because then I know that I'm on the winning side of this trade.
And I would say like kind of it's almost like the Trumpian negotiation tactics where like you were saying, it's a it's a zero sum game.
And, you know, it's not it's not a nice it's not like, hey, I'm a business trying to offer you a product that makes your life better.
It's not that mentality. It's, hey, I'm going to take your shit because you can't defend it mentality.
right so i feel like it's that morality against the morality of like kind of a volunteerist
uh libertarian uh ethos which is you know if you're doing something against someone's will
by tricking them uh by selling them something that you have special information that it's not
as good as you say it is i i i don't see any difference what sailor's doing compared to what
elon's doing when he's like grabbing money from you know the the government and yeah everyone's
space like literally everybody's including like non-profits like everybody's doing this yeah it's
not just sailor it's just that he's the biggest holder of bitcoin and he's an easy target i'm not
defending sailor i'm just saying like um i just think he was being rude to danny but danny was
just doing his job yeah but he should answer those questions you should definitely answer i mean i
think it's a fascinating answer like i don't know what the answer to this question is but yeah
uh it sure seems to me like the way the world operates is the rougher version of that world
yeah he was he was downright like assaulting him verbally it was pretty bad like danny was just
standing there taking it kind of sucks to see danny's such a great guy i think he just well i
think he wanted the interview to go on but yeah i think it was sailor did cross the line where he's
calling Danny names.
Yeah, yeah.
He was treating him like the way he treats
Laura Shin.
Which is probably why he's not invited back on that podcast
anymore.
He was treating Danny like
Danny was someone who needs him more than he
needs Danny.
There's nothing Danny can do.
He even told Danny, you're not going to have as much Bitcoin as me.
It was kind of strange.
So kind of like Trump.
I don't know
I do live in a Trump world now
And we live in a Trump world
Man this got spicy
I mean that's just a fact
Yeah that was Womble's pick
Stay tuned next week for what Womble
Picks
Womble
Appreciate you and I know how to say your name
Yeah I would not have
Picked this one
But since Womble picked it
We can talk about it
the next one I want to talk about is
Plebdale's
Austin
Pleb poet how long did it take him to do
this and how frustrated were you
when he built this
no but that's why
Pleb lab is so beautiful because he gets to
come here and do the frustrating stuff
and I don't even know about it I live in pure bliss
yeah it took him a long time
but it's not so this is a teaser
it's not totally finished yet
he's still finishing it up so you're going to see him over here
apparently it's this weekend right there yeah yeah it's probably it's probably an ai in front
of us crunching some type of yeah it was so we can't hit that thing right there okay but um
no i i think he hasn't talked about it much so like just putting this out is kind of
the first wave of like letting people know what he's been working on it's amazing how fast you
can code look at this i've never seen somebody code this fast kian do you code that fast
no well this is sped up footage i was just like man this guy's he's he's he drank my red bull
today wow do you also fall for ai videos i fall for this right um i made this little video though
together oh wow nice video thank you and uh and yeah i think um if you are someone who wants to
vibe code this is like this is like the vibe coders like the big question everybody wants to
ask you kit are you gonna do this course because i know you're no i don't use the ai stuff really
so this is even though your husband is making this course you're not gonna support i mean there's no
i don't have any apps that i want to like there's no reason for me to i don't do that what about a
gardening app i don't it's not interesting to me what if you could just go to your plants and just
take a picture of it and then i couldn't say it's not interesting it's interesting to me
but i just want to make stuff with my hands what if you could download your whole brain and then
just mix poetry anytime you want by pushing a button but that's why my brain is in my head
because i can do it that way no but you can use your brain to play video games i do like to play
video games yeah but only like two awesome well that should be coming out here soon stay tuned
the next one I wanted to bring up was
this one this one's kind of spicy
but it's called
Struggling to See the Value Prop of Maple AI
so
Keon did you read this?
Yeah
so this guy basically goes in there and he basically
asks about what the trade-offs are
compared to open AI
or just using maple AI
so much so where he even
starts saying it's
not worth it
And then optimism jumps in.
I mean, it's pretty interesting.
He says, if privacy is such an issue, should you not just spin up your own LLM locally?
And if you take the Pleb Devs course, you will learn exactly how to do that.
There you go.
Kia, what do you think about this?
Do you think this is a fair thing to say?
No.
I mean, I think it's a fair question.
I think if someone has the ability to run a local LLM, they should ask themselves whether they should pay for someone else to run it and review that software that claims it's private and confidential.
They should think about this.
But I think for the average person, it's more likely that they don't feel like they're capable or they don't have the time or money.
They can't afford to buy the machine that they would need to run a comparable model locally.
And so they might still want to use private AI.
And Maple AI provides a way for them to do that.
I think there are a number of other providers that are cropping up that also do something similar.
I think I responded to that effect in the thread here.
And then the OP responded with, the problem is it's censored.
He's like, OK, I get the privacy argument.
When I run a local LLM, I can run an uncensored one.
As far as I know, I don't know.
I haven't talked to the founders in a while.
But as far as I know, I don't think they're a pro-AI censorship thing.
Maybe they might feel a little uncomfortable about running an AI that can teach you how to make a bomb or something.
Maybe that's why they run a censored model.
But, yeah.
I don't – like I got this question when we went to Round Rock.
Somebody had asked me, I won't say who, but somebody had asked me about Maple and stuff like that.
And I said, I'm not using it yet, but you know, I believe in Tony and I believe in Marks.
And I think those guys are really smart.
I wouldn't want to use any other product if that's the path I chose.
But just for my day to day, I feel like the stuff that I use, it's just fine.
I do think though, if it ever gets to a point to where like some of these other models start
doing ads and stuff like that, I'll switch automatically, but I'm not there yet.
And they haven't done that yet, but I know that's coming.
That's where I would say where I fall.
Okay.
So when ads come on to open AI, then you're going to switch away?
I think once it starts getting – if it's not like –
you remember when Google had like ads in the beginning and it was actually good ads?
Or even like some of the YouTube stuff you'll see like it's like good stuff.
If it ever gets to a point where it's just like completely just garbage and it feels invasive and that sort of thing,
um i can see myself moving immediately but right now i don't have that problem because i'm not
not using it for anything that that's personal if that makes any sense well yeah so i think if the
if the if the line is ads what if you can pay open ai to not show you ads then what i would
still probably i would still probably move off because you said i don't want to pay for that i'd
rather pay for my friend's product than use his what if the what if the experience you get from
your friend's product is like lags by maybe three to six months behind yeah but that's gonna
eventually we'll get to a point where it'll be like an equilibrium where we'll just everything
will be just good like or or great like remember when search like after a certain point like search
was just search yeah everyone could yeah it's basically when the page rank yeah uh went out of
that so i think it's kind of like that i think that'll just kind of and then at that point you're
just you're just picking where you want to you know what you want to leverage so um but i mean
if you ask everybody in here everybody uses different models and multiples and multiple
models at that so we might even be getting to a place where it's just like a multi-model world
I think Maple AI is one that gets used in the AI course too.
Yeah, I heard him talking about it.
Also, is that true?
The very last sentence there?
Are the Maple guys around here?
What does that mean?
They used to post.
I don't think they do anymore.
I didn't think so either.
Yeah, but they're always lurking.
I doubt they're lurking.
Anyways, you got anything else?
uh no okay cool uh but no we had marks on second news live last year i don't know if you remember
during south by i do remember um cool can i do you mind if we just cover the zine really fast
because then i gotta go yeah yeah yeah sorry about that i have a microphone i might as well
just direct i mean this is what i do the neatest scene bringing you the bitcoin heat seriously
this is number 42.
Pleppo, what's this?
Yes, Stacker News, Zine.
That's it.
It's number 42.
Who's that right there?
It's a Darth coin,
and he's going to choke you
if you don't buy chocolates.
Is that his ad?
Yeah, he bought an ad.
With credits?
Oh, wait, maybe I shouldn't say that
because he didn't want to put his name on it.
Sorry about that,
but buy Oshigood chocolates.
Why did you make Darth Vader green?
I didn't do that.
That's the ad.
the classifieds are not me the classifieds are so that's his color that's what you bought it was
green for darth vader's shoulders okay so that's the technicality where really that was like the
flash on the camera that i used to take this photo oh a little bit somebody hasn't watched star wars
okay cool no he okay anyway um that's it and you can have it if you want it go and purchase it
there at that link and then you can also subscribe did you make a black hat no that's called editing
without ai that's cool i like the black stacker news hat i know it looks kind of cool because
you can't see the eyes yeah it looks really cool yeah is sammy still alive back there he's alive
yeah i mean sammy's got a job now he's keeping the plants alive wow it's amazing um what else
can we say about the zine uh kian yeah what else can i say about the zine oh do i have oh so it's
not green it's just green on my screen yeah okay i apologize perhaps because it was printed on yellow
it was printed on yellow i don't have anything to much to say in the zine uh you could there
was a few things where you could read between the lines about things that pleb poet says that might
be fun but i would i probably wouldn't have detected them had she not told me so you probably
miss them but you're if you're a deep stacker and you've been reading all the posts on saccharineos
yeah you might you might kind of infer some stuff we like to have fun yeah cool stuff
what are we gonna get a janice pick um yeah maybe and the zine yeah you know i pretty much do do
that i guess actually this time it was jason b's post that was my pick which one's the very last one
oh okay cool yeah he made a pac-man where the like the level kind of changes it's like dude i
want to play that yeah cool yeah that looks like fun he's he's uh he's always got new little games
to play pretty much cool he is an original pleb dev i believe he is an original pleb dev he
mentioned that there one of the first on it no because it's just a pdf yeah it's it's real car
okay well check it out stackers it's all online thank you thanks thanks jenna thanks for coming
on the show yeah thank you goodbye drop should i unplug it drop it no you could just put it right
there yeah i thought you're gonna do my job but that works um key on let's jump into your picks
tether fun unbelievable details what is this yeah this is part four of scores beast
trether tether tether timeline uh which gets into the ftx situation yeah i didn't know they
had bought an ftx that was news to me they had bought in they didn't they buy their uh their
adjacent company isn't that what he put in here he bought an adjacent company never i don't think
i recall i'll find it yeah i think the the big the big uh ftx tether connection is primarily that
uh alameda here it goes ftx and alameda were the big were one of two of the biggest holders of
tether that existed. Both Cumberland Mining, which is a Chicago-based trading firm,
and FTX and Alameda, they held the majority of tethers during this time period before FTX blew up.
There's scores, but interspersed throughout the section of FTX and Alameda, there are
chat messages that got released as part of the fbx here is fine all this you know it's all you know
scores we is does like deep like serious deep dives into this stuff but all of its public
uh information these telegram chats were part of the i forget what it's called but the you know
the documents that were released during the sam bankman freed trial so yeah so like their telegram
chat is is known and it it has conversations between the ceo of tether the ceo of the the
bank that does all of tether's um like fiat banking that was based in the caribbean
like fcx was based in the caribbean and um it's gonna be a good netflix series
can't wait yeah scores he plans to write to like write it into a narrative once he's done with all
of the oh really he's gonna write a book about it yeah why not a book but like a he's gonna write
about it he's gonna write it in a way where it's not just a list like listed out like this it's
going to like have more it's gonna have a right it's gonna have like a story yeah it'll have a
it'll have a dude of course we might be making like the next like uh yeah that's wild man yeah
I think, I don't know, what are some of the other cool things that happened?
Oh, so the CEO, the then CEO around the FTX stuff,
either CEO or co-CEO of Deltec Bank, which is the bank in the Caribbean
that's how they're banked with.
They were one of the co-creators of Inspector Gadget, the cartoon.
And they're from France.
I think they were part of a children's entertainment company.
I think they opened an amusement park in France that was very expensive and over budget
and then released early to really poor reviews and I think shut down within a week because it was so bad.
He should totally write the book for this.
I think it'll really take off, I think.
yeah there i mean uh so cumberland mining is really interesting the guy so the guy who started
cumberland mining at a at the chicago-based trading firm he scores we found a video of him
basically saying i'm an anarchist yes i'm an anarchist that's why i'm into bitcoin he got
into mining bitcoin i think back in 2011 or something um but he's like a you know a suit
and tie guy working at a trading,
working at a trading firm in Chicago.
And as an anarchist,
who's a Bitcoiner and started,
you know one of the companies that had that at one point held a large a large portion of Tethers I think it just kind of goes to show I mean this is the last one right that he doing
No.
Oh, there's one more.
No, yeah, this just goes, I think there'll probably be one more on the last four years or so.
This kind of ends at...
23 or something, or what does this end?
This ends at Celsius.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
who had a one billion dollar loan of tethers at some point well this is um should be it yeah i
think once it gets into like you know into a book i think that'll be a definitely bestseller
um but it also goes to show like you know to you know to get to where tether's at right now i mean
there were so many winding roads there and um it kind of shows like you know in order to dominate
the world like that with your uh stable coin they had to do a lot of stuff um so i'm sure there's
lessons here yeah it seems like tether's strategy if if there is a strategy and they're not just
intuitive and you know came to run this market because because of pure luck it seems to be
grow faster than um the people who are trying to regulate you can catch you it was like grow fat
grow faster and become more power become as powerful as soon as possible so that you begin
to write the regulations and can stop what what might what might otherwise i really do think this
is the dawning of
the next Federal Reserve.
This, to me,
seems like the new dawning of that.
The creature from Jekyll Island.
It reminds me of that.
It still does, even over here.
It just has so many different
layers to this.
It's going to be a great miniseries.
I can't wait.
It'll probably take decades, though.
Cool stuff, man.
um any other things you want to share on this no no cool let me go back that was another one
oh wow that's another one and then your other pick was um i paid my hairdresser i didn't know
you had a hairdresser can you oh thanks car yeah i have i have three of them i used yeah several
for my king have you ever used a hairdresser before um yeah i went to i used to go to a
hairdresser to cut my hair i've yeah not like a barber shop a hairdresser though yeah i went i
would go to a lady uh when i do your hair when i lived in california at one point she would cut my
hair yeah i mean i wouldn't i would never comb my hair but i for whatever reason i felt more comfortable
going to lady because i think i was taken to a lady when i was a kid yeah and a lady would do my
hair so i never the barbers always seemed seemed like they had an idea about what a man's haircut
should be in a way that i did not like you know they were like they wanted to be like buzzed on
the sides and we're all soldiers right i would i would say like when i had uh i never went to a
hairdresser but there was a lady that used to cut my hair she cut it so great um but now when i do
get a haircut because i cut my own hair but now when i do get a haircut if i do it's usually by a
guy but um i don't have that same kind of i don't get that same kind of like what you're talking
about it's it's much more comfortable to get one from a lady i would say but i have gotten it from
a guy but it's like doesn't have that comfortability yeah and yeah we all got one from a guy one time
you know whoa whoa all right keep going okay uh yeah so anon came by and shared the how they paid
their hairdresser uh in bitcoin and so anon is apparently fairly well skilled with lightning
They say they're running cubes, L&D on cubes and using Tor.
And so they're using Lightning in a self-sovereign way, spending Bitcoin in a self-sovereign way.
But they had been to this hairdresser for a while who accepts payments via Square.
And they were able to get the hairdresser onboarded to receiving Bitcoin payments as fiat, basically.
and so they described the flow that they went through to get to be able to pay with bitcoin
and they said it went pretty pretty smoothly and they were you know and and it it seemed like not
a big deal maybe to the hairdresser maybe it was a little annoying but they're like they they were
in awe or they they spent the time to not take for granted how much work went into making this
sort of meaningless Bitcoin payment.
And this Bitcoin payment that seemed like it's not a big deal.
Like how long it took to get just to this point where it's not full of, entirely full
of complete headaches getting, being able to pay someone Bitcoin.
And then also, you know, coming to terms with it not being super satisfying either.
because it because the the hairdresser doesn't really understand the value of bitcoin and why
this matters and you know they're they're kyc'd and it's custodial and you know what hopes do we
have maybe that they're you know they're running a node in their closet someday and um so it's kind
of a nice uh yeah a nice journey cool well i don't really have any thoughts on this but uh
yeah keep doing it keep uh orange peeling your local business is um the next one we got is
my post the first one i wanted to share was the uh was it the time to build winners
keon do you see this i did see this yes i was a judge one of the partners were tether look at
that they're doing good yeah i hear i hear they have their their thing look even pleb lat was a
partner for this thing what do you think about that i think that's pretty awesome i didn't know
even geyser you had partners so you guys did you guys go even draper labs too was a drink with
do you guys have how do partners happen to you it's through a partnership keon turns out
oh uh anyways for all right let's keep going so this was this was what breeze started last year
when we did the yucatan we kicked off the event over there in the yucatan and then simultaneously
it was happening and then like 50 other developer communities around the world
uh it was pretty amazing man like to see how they were able to um just launch this one thing
everywhere all at once i mean hats off to danny and the whole brace team like such a incredible
thing to see just to witness it from the side and cheer them on and stuff and then um so yeah let's
get into the winners the winners the first one was uh team a auge's uh they won for implementing
a plugin for btc pay server uh and then the next one was brianna andre and alia they won for event
too uh they implemented spark i believe so now you can run spark breezes okay yeah with spark yeah
so you can run you can run that which is cool now you can take payments the other one was um
portal portal did this really cool thing where they integrated breezes skate into portal um so
which is a hardware wallet and a mobile app right and then uh the next one was from daniel he
implemented lightning directly into the primal web app i was actually just talking to him before
the show yeah yeah yeah i was talking to him before the show we're going over all the stuff
that he's building so uh yeah and then there's a thousand special prize winners um from a lot of
different places i think the coolest thing about this is just seeing all the different types of
projects um a lot of it um definitely feels like it's moving more in a direction of like
none of them like this is more just me like none of them outside of daniels feel social
in the sense where it's just another social wallet attachment it's this all feels like actual um
stuff that's getting built out you know whether it's like obs plugins or whether it's like event
two or that kind of thing so it was great to see that um cool yeah that's pretty much it and then
Draper you got Lib
DeSatoshi and
then we have Sparky Home
so that's going to be one of the
companies or projects that we'll
be having inside of Startup School later this year
so congrats
to the winners
anything here Kian?
Do you want to say?
No I don't think I have much to say
I'm curious how all the Spark stuff shakes out
and it's
interesting to see
Breeze
um working with them and yeah i don't yeah it's uh are we gonna are we in a state chain future
it appears so it appears that's where we're headed yeah i think but i don't i don't know
how long that lasts uh sure i mean there's always iteration it's this place moves fast right um
you know a few years ago no one was even using liquid so and then now everybody's using liquid
well this has nothing to do with liquid but you know what i mean like as far as ecosystem the
the technology moves fast technologies move fast yeah and then they those techno we switch away
from those technologies when the trade-offs manifest which i that's what i'm mostly talking
about is it's not clear to me when the trade-off like when and how the trade-offs of state chains
will manifest and so that's why i think it's worth thinking about at least yeah well keep thinking
about it thanks people keep building uh the next one i wanted to share was um explaining like on
five spark this was uh created from uh roy so roy um wrote this out and he kind of i think he kind
of explained it in like a this two-piece puzzle way where he talks about bob and alice and kind
of goes through that whole lightning wallet explanation of how payments work but um i think
that the interesting thing is he didn't use the word federation nowhere in here which i thought
that's what sparks underlying thing was i could be wrong um yeah here goes he's talking about state
chains but i don't know what did you think did you see this what did you think about it
even had um i believe that david marcus even retweeted this too as well
i i would believe he retweeted it um yeah i did not read it
okay
and yeah
check it out stackers that was a good one
and then finally the last one I wanted to
share was
Project 11
so speaking of quantum
everybody loves it
Scoresby posted this
two days ago
a day ago
basically it was just talking about the
you know the whole
nick carter quantum stuff that was going over the holidays um and just pointing out that project 11
which is working on the the quantum threat against uh bitcoin had raised 20 million
from uh castle island so did you see this i did see the post i i lost interest in nick carter
around the time his star really began rising is that before he touched your bola or after
i think that was well yeah the but when he touched my bolo that kind of reignited our romance but
we've since become anyways uh but yeah i've i've talked i've talked to the ceo of project 11
um on early days so if you're interested check that out um i feel like i asked him some tough
questions um so i didn't know you had him on yeah okay yeah he was uh a16z he used to work at a16z
oh and then that's when he moved over to this who was the founder oh gosh i forget
talked to so many people who i forget i want to say alex say alex sounds about right is he from
from the United States?
Yeah.
Okay.
Anyways, that's all the stories that we have
this week on Snacker News
Live. We're going to jump into
the most
popular segment in Bitcoin, the
top cowboys.
Let's go here.
Doggy.
Get on down to the cowboys.
It's not here. It's in here.
Boom.
Oh, cowboys.
We got what's Snacker in hiding? Everybody knows who that is.
And we got Kube, Undiscipline, BlockchainBoo, GrayRuby, Satoshi, CryptoSensei, Optimism, Scoresby, OT, PoloKanemi, SimpleStacker, Wumble, End of the Mic, StillStacking, 117, Kefford, CLR, Den, Ehrman, WinterWeddy, Yeti, PillyTheKid, RDClark.
Kian, do you see anything here that's changing?
As far as I know, nothing's changed, but it probably has, and I just can't tell because it's...
We got ShockNet.
I got Socks
what a Socks ability these days
Socks is working on the editor
we're pretty much done with all the
buggy-ness
and we're moving on to
releasing the actual
things that people will be like
yay
got real Bitcoin doggy
we got Naut
Oscar, Coins Reporter
who else do we got?
Plutpoet79
dang she beat me
I won.
Look, I'm 80.
She's 79.
Good thing she's not here.
Shoot it through that in my face.
Cool.
That's what we got.
Top Cowboy Ski on.
Have you ever rode a horse before?
I think so, yeah.
I believe when I was a kid.
Okay.
Like a donkey or a real horse?
What do you mean donkey?
Well, there's like.
I've ridden a horse.
Okay, you've ridden a real horse.
I believe so.
I've ridden a camel, too, when I was a kid.
Well, you said you believe so, so it could have been a donkey.
I don't remember.
I was a kid.
I don't have the best memory.
You know this.
The stackers know this card.
It doesn't have a good memory.
Come on, poop.
We got comments from YouTube.
This guy from Elite Savior, he says,
Linux phones is the solution.
If everyone switches to Linux, we have freedom.
Steam OS, all sectors of devices.
when users move it forces development of apps maybe normalize two foes that's a gateway system
do you agree or disagree kian um i know you're a two phone advocate i am a two phone advocate
uh that wasn't me though it's another smart man or woman linux phones is the solution i'm just not
I just don't know why Linux phones are the solution.
I think Linux, if we had a kernel that we liked on mobile that was like Linux.
I think he's saying that because Android's getting kind of, you know, it's scary.
I don't know.
Does Android run on the Linux kernel?
I don't think.
I mean, just hearing from what the guys talk about, like a lot of it,
now they're going to start having like app.
You have to start like, you know, submitting your apps to the Android ecosystem,
app store then there's other things that are happening with their devices now um so i can
see why people are more cautious of android now than ever before because that wasn't the case
so yeah i just don't know what i i thought i thought android used a linux kernel or but maybe
it's maybe it's their own kernel uh i don't know i just don't know what what difference it
I would say Elite Savior.
I think you're onto something.
I think get yourself a surveillance phone
and then get yourself a graphic phone.
But it sounds like he wants Linux phones
instead of a graphic phone.
So there you go.
Next we have Vake.
Vake said, I have no clue what any of this means,
but I know killing is wrong.
So there you go.
I don't know what that was.
Response to Vake just says stuff randomly sometimes.
then i got uh some fountain comments we got one from blockchain boo says zap and then user 222
says stay in your lane which we never do because that would be boring for a show
gian what are you doing this weekend uh i don't have any plans i'll probably
can you make that face like sailor later jimmy i don't know what's it what face can you make that
face i don't think so because i have a different face can you go like that the way he is like he's
just no i's sniping at danny i choose not danny look at that i don't feel like in the mood for
making faces on command so oh yeah that's right you got you get mad when people say make do
something on command i forgot about that yeah everyone gets mad at that it's just the people
who ask people to do it they yeah you especially which is awesome i love it yeah don't don't don't
speak it to the mic don't speak it to the way anyways uh what do you do this week keon
i'm um moving out of this little office space uh i don't know what are you doing we love you here
oh um you're trapped yeah i don't think i have any plans i'm probably not gonna do anything so
that's that's what are you building this weekend then what am i building this weekend it's just
kind of boring everything i do is kind of boring so really yeah it'll probably be boring stuff
i'm working primarily on onboarding things and so it's all like these little things that so the
onboarding flow the friction yeah there's like tons of friction that just accumulated that we
never addressed because we were just working on the wallets for so long so i'll be doing that stuff
and no one cares especially people who are already using sacra news don't care because they don't
experience it and so it'll just be yeah i'm working on that but it's um do you keep like a
diary for the stuff that you build besides github no not really spoken diary i don't speak into a
diary do you for building stuff no but i definitely journal oh yeah yeah i don't really
cool how about you what are you doing this weekend i'm gonna go with my friends tonight um
normie friends normie friends yeah i'm gonna have my friends tonight they're my friends
um but that's pretty much it that's all i'm gonna do that's cool are you going to say the
stuff that's happening no no i'm pretty i'm pretty uh pretty busy with some other stuff but um
it should be fun i can't wait to see what gets built should be good um yeah yeah all right
stackers oh actually let me see if we have any comments and we do oh simple stacker said looking
forward to y'all's opinion on the sailor fiasco dang well it got spicy oh i'm sorry i don't think
got very spicy we were just like how about that sailor guy huh and then what was it in the house
there you go cool stackers have yourself a great weekend we'll see you next week