1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:18,880 live from plan lab in austin texas this is stacker news live 2 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:27,160 hello ladies and welcome back to another exciting episode of stacker news live my 3 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,440 Here's Carmen with the other key on key on. 4 00:00:29,780 --> 00:00:30,320 Happy birthday. 5 00:00:31,060 --> 00:00:32,740 Thanks for wishing me birthday. 6 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,300 It's been a long life. 7 00:00:36,380 --> 00:00:39,380 It's good to celebrate all the years since my birth. 8 00:00:40,260 --> 00:00:41,880 Yeah, it's great to celebrate your birthday. 9 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:43,760 Yeah, I didn't realize I told you it was my birthday. 10 00:00:44,100 --> 00:00:46,420 I'm also surprised to learn today is my birthday. 11 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:47,780 Doxed, double doxed. 12 00:00:47,780 --> 00:00:51,860 But it's good to know I was born today. 13 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,840 Yeah, we got an interesting show today. 14 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,740 It's going to be hopefully a quick one. 15 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:04,600 but um hopefully setting us up for success tired dude i'm ready to go home 16 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:12,440 no it's it's the we're working it's my working working my ass off this week we are like baking 17 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:18,040 in here at 1200 parts per million that's what you guys were saying so we need to figure that out so 18 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:24,200 that way we it's basically like we're in a space shuttle basically and uh we're dying like apollo 19 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,740 13, right? 20 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:27,140 Was it Paul 13? 21 00:01:27,860 --> 00:01:30,260 Are you Tom Hanks or am I Tom Hanks? 22 00:01:31,260 --> 00:01:32,340 I don't want to be Tom Hanks. 23 00:01:32,340 --> 00:01:32,900 I don't think you're right. 24 00:01:32,900 --> 00:01:33,960 I want to be the other guy. 25 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:34,960 The one. 26 00:01:37,260 --> 00:01:37,760 Kevin Bacon. 27 00:01:37,900 --> 00:01:39,520 I don't think they have Mexican astronauts. 28 00:01:40,500 --> 00:01:41,180 They do. 29 00:01:41,460 --> 00:01:42,780 They do have Mexican astronauts. 30 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:43,600 We have one. 31 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:44,300 He was one. 32 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:45,400 They made a whole movie about him. 33 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:46,480 Oh, yeah. 34 00:01:46,700 --> 00:01:47,360 What was his name? 35 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:48,220 I don't know his name. 36 00:01:48,260 --> 00:01:48,840 He's a Mexican. 37 00:01:49,220 --> 00:01:49,780 That's all I know. 38 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:50,920 Anyways. 39 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:51,580 I see. 40 00:01:51,980 --> 00:01:53,220 But, yeah, it's kind of. 41 00:01:53,220 --> 00:02:00,700 the female women's restroom right there so keep an eye out oh man this started off great 42 00:02:00,700 --> 00:02:06,860 how was your week it was great i had a burrito did you really yeah it's great being by chipotle 43 00:02:06,860 --> 00:02:12,340 right because i feel like i like chipotle three times this week it's partied it up in the lab 44 00:02:12,340 --> 00:02:17,880 dude it's great yeah it depends on what you get but it is like it is very convenient as far as 45 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:22,040 fast food goes yeah chipotle is pretty good it's pretty good we're also next to the italian 46 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,720 restaurant again yeah it's good to be back there and now that peterry stopped sponsoring us we got 47 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:33,380 let me sponsor that'll be chipotle fuck peterry they suck anyway i never liked that one that 48 00:02:33,380 --> 00:02:38,520 would taste like garbage it's like trash it's the trash the worst peterry's well it's like buy a 49 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:43,300 bunch of trash i'm gonna miss jimmy john's though that was jimmy john's so good jimmy john's they 50 00:02:43,300 --> 00:02:48,160 have good tuna there they had a great sign out front yeah i had free smells but it's it's good 51 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:52,680 it be next to a convenience store like literally right next to a convenience store that's cool 52 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:58,600 yeah the guys are fun in there i'm trying to convince him to buy tacos because i i told him 53 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,280 the other day i was like where are the tacos and he's like oh i don't have any tacos so i'm trying 54 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:08,580 to have tacos in the morning yeah he did right he did have very early so i i keep every morning 55 00:03:08,580 --> 00:03:12,080 every morning when i go in there i'm like when are you gonna get tacos when you get tacos 56 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,820 trying to go to him to buy tacos maybe he'll do it again or maybe it was the other guy who brought 57 00:03:16,820 --> 00:03:22,840 in the tacos i think he had a guy that would come in there and like put tacos yeah yeah yeah but i 58 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,500 haven't seen the remember the old guy that used to work or the other guy that used to work now he 59 00:03:26,500 --> 00:03:33,780 says it's just him i think the recession and stuff or whatever we're in yeah okay succession 60 00:03:33,780 --> 00:03:39,700 recession 24 hour store so hopefully he has help and he's not is it really a 24 hour store 61 00:03:39,700 --> 00:03:41,740 isn't it it's an anasmar 62 00:03:41,740 --> 00:03:43,860 20 like 20 open all 63 00:03:43,860 --> 00:03:45,860 day all night i wonder who anna was 64 00:03:45,860 --> 00:03:47,980 you think it was 65 00:03:47,980 --> 00:03:48,460 his wife 66 00:03:48,460 --> 00:03:51,840 or his daughter i think he might have like bought 67 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,780 it from some lady and just named 68 00:03:53,780 --> 00:03:55,840 it anna yeah like in the 90s some 69 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,740 like hippie owned it just 70 00:03:57,740 --> 00:03:58,840 call it like anna 71 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,760 anna smith yeah maybe 72 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,800 wow if you ever see this 73 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,820 crazy show we're called uh stacker news live 74 00:04:05,820 --> 00:04:07,340 we cover the uh top 75 00:04:07,340 --> 00:04:09,000 top three stories 76 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,960 on the, what's the 77 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,280 24-party meetup or something? 78 00:04:13,500 --> 00:04:14,340 What's the name of the thing? 79 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:16,880 Oh, 24-7 meetup 80 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,460 on the website. Doesn't roll off the tongue 81 00:04:19,460 --> 00:04:21,420 at all. Yeah, we cover all 82 00:04:21,420 --> 00:04:23,340 the... Doesn't roll off the tongue 83 00:04:23,340 --> 00:04:25,460 at all. We cover all the top stories 84 00:04:25,460 --> 00:04:27,580 there. Check it out. It's on Stacker.News. 85 00:04:28,140 --> 00:04:29,380 Last week, we covered 86 00:04:29,380 --> 00:04:30,720 a lot of spicy topics. 87 00:04:31,540 --> 00:04:33,060 The backdoor cryptography had like 88 00:04:33,060 --> 00:04:34,120 228 views. 89 00:04:34,940 --> 00:04:36,200 The Genesis mission, 90 00:04:37,180 --> 00:04:37,860 your boy Trump, 91 00:04:37,860 --> 00:04:39,940 that one had a lot of views 92 00:04:39,940 --> 00:04:42,080 so check it out 93 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:43,200 we talk about all sorts of stuff 94 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:44,040 no one cares about Texas 95 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:44,440 look at that 96 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:45,640 it only had two people watched it 97 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:46,520 I think it just had 98 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,040 it was just about Texas 99 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:48,980 probably got a lot of views 100 00:04:48,980 --> 00:04:49,740 he's a great governor 101 00:04:49,740 --> 00:04:50,480 I have to say 102 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:51,620 I love Governor Abbott 103 00:04:51,620 --> 00:04:52,580 he's a really good guy 104 00:04:52,580 --> 00:04:54,460 a lot of people hate him though 105 00:04:54,460 --> 00:04:55,920 I don't know anything about him 106 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,120 other than he looks like a wax figurine 107 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,380 no it's because we threw the AI filter on him 108 00:05:00,380 --> 00:05:00,920 oh 109 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:01,640 I think 110 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:02,340 but in most 111 00:05:02,340 --> 00:05:04,460 in most situations I've seen him 112 00:05:04,460 --> 00:05:05,920 he looks like a wax human 113 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:07,260 which might be a good one 114 00:05:07,260 --> 00:05:08,120 He's in a wheelchair. 115 00:05:08,460 --> 00:05:09,480 He's like Professor X. 116 00:05:10,420 --> 00:05:13,980 He's mobile, but he's mobile via wheelchair. 117 00:05:14,940 --> 00:05:17,660 He's in a wheelchair, and he's a real person who moves around. 118 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,980 Apparently that happened in college or something. 119 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:21,980 Yeah. 120 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:23,160 Oh, what happened? 121 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,660 I don't know the story, but I know it's like happening in college or something. 122 00:05:27,260 --> 00:05:28,740 There's like a whole story behind it. 123 00:05:29,500 --> 00:05:30,940 Anyways, maybe we'll cover it one day. 124 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:36,880 But yeah, don't hit subscribe, because if you hit subscribe, then we can't talk freely. 125 00:05:37,260 --> 00:05:46,320 yeah we need to be able to talk about how governor abbott was a wax wax figure he escaped a wax 126 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:50,900 museum during college anyways we're going to jump into the number three top story this week on 127 00:05:50,900 --> 00:05:56,980 stacker.news recursion rescuing inactive channel funds and zeus and blix wallets 128 00:05:56,980 --> 00:06:06,740 eyelids 27 three cents 12 comments natalia bitcoin territory keo what's this yeah it looks like 129 00:06:06,740 --> 00:06:14,820 Natalia had an old phone that she used to run, I think, Blix on, maybe also Zeus. That I was a bit 130 00:06:14,820 --> 00:06:20,240 hard to follow, but she let those channels go inactive and then just never recovered them. 131 00:06:21,620 --> 00:06:27,960 And so those are sats waiting to be claimed. And it occurred to her that she had old channels on 132 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:35,360 that phone and went to go maybe claim the sats on them, but failed to do so because they had been 133 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,420 inactive for so long. 134 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:44,960 So she tried to do it using all of the ways that Zeus enumerated in their FAQ, 135 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:46,800 but none of them seemed to work. 136 00:06:47,780 --> 00:06:53,480 So she went back and read one of her old articles about Chan tools 137 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:58,420 and then found that Zeus's wallet had Chan tools in it, 138 00:06:58,420 --> 00:07:00,680 like built into the mobile wallet. 139 00:07:01,500 --> 00:07:02,960 So what are those channel tools? 140 00:07:03,060 --> 00:07:03,620 Is that what you're saying? 141 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:04,000 Yeah. 142 00:07:04,140 --> 00:07:05,220 Lightning channel tools. 143 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:12,180 It's kind of like you break the glass during an emergency type of thing. 144 00:07:12,380 --> 00:07:13,200 It's a pretty... 145 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:14,760 Do all wallets have that or no? 146 00:07:15,820 --> 00:07:17,400 I don't know if all wallets. 147 00:07:17,780 --> 00:07:22,780 No, I would imagine most Lightning wallets do not have Chan tools, 148 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,260 but most of them, a lot of the newer Lightning wallets at least, 149 00:07:26,420 --> 00:07:29,680 are the ones that are less powerful or more like UX focused. 150 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,340 They do not allow you to run a node on your phone 151 00:07:32,340 --> 00:07:34,000 where you are managing channels. 152 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,940 and instead they kind of do the channel management for you so that wouldn't be available although i 153 00:07:38,940 --> 00:07:44,780 don't know what happens in the case where you're you have like a really old um phoenix wallet or 154 00:07:44,780 --> 00:07:50,260 something i don't know what you would do because you you probably don't have chan tools um that 155 00:07:50,260 --> 00:07:56,600 might be a subject of a future post but anyway she was able to reclaim those funds by going using 156 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:04,280 channel tools in zeus wallet and uh yeah it was a successful recovery of those funds 157 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:12,260 um her channel partner was very courteous and did not force close those channels on her um 158 00:08:12,260 --> 00:08:20,700 and yeah or try to i guess try to rob her knowing that she's inactive it was cool because uh at the 159 00:08:20,700 --> 00:08:28,100 same time the uh i believe it was neat creations had a similar issue um that he was dealing with 160 00:08:28,100 --> 00:08:33,740 and um and natalia went in there and said go read my post that i just posted so it was perfect 161 00:08:33,740 --> 00:08:39,920 timing i guess everybody was having this issue around the same time yeah might have been just 162 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:45,600 the time of year or whatever i mean a year's gone by bitcoin's price is i don't know quintupled 163 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:53,760 and you have you had maybe you had a few sats on on an old phone and why not get those sats 164 00:08:53,760 --> 00:09:02,400 sweeping wallets by a burrito limited cold storage uh makes sense um let's jump into the 165 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,880 next top story number two top story this week is i finally found a tenant who will pay me in bitcoin 166 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:15,060 this is from siggy 4766 comments 2 171 sats key what's this yeah so siggy uh is a landlord i guess 167 00:09:15,060 --> 00:09:22,360 of something and oh no it's a mobile trailer so they have a he has a trailer that he rents out 168 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:28,520 um and i guess for a long time he's tried to get tenants to pay him bitcoin but he successfully 169 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:35,600 he finally got one to do it because they had cash app and um he was able to convince them to use it 170 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:40,840 to pay him a bitcoin by offering them a discount if they did it so while there he didn't have to 171 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:46,080 orange pill him to get him to do it he did he got him to like select the bitcoin option 172 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:55,080 in his cash app when he is paying his rent to siggy um and so he's now accepting or he's 173 00:09:55,080 --> 00:10:03,060 now receiving bitcoin and doesn't have to do the conversion himself um uh for his rental 174 00:10:03,060 --> 00:10:08,560 cool stuff congrats to siggy which is cool i know there's a there's another stacker who wrote a lot 175 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:10,960 about trying to get his tenants to pay with Bitcoin. 176 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,860 And he had the commoner, I think it was, 177 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:17,580 where he had a lot of posts about various schemes 178 00:10:17,580 --> 00:10:21,540 that he would employ for his tenants 179 00:10:21,540 --> 00:10:23,600 to try to orange pill them. 180 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,360 I think one of them was that he would, 181 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,040 I think it was like if they paid in Bitcoin, 182 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,500 he would store some of it for them. 183 00:10:33,980 --> 00:10:34,980 And it wasn't a discount. 184 00:10:35,100 --> 00:10:36,300 He would store some of it for them. 185 00:10:36,300 --> 00:10:41,740 and then like with like a year later he would allow them he would give them access to the bitcoin 186 00:10:41,740 --> 00:10:48,320 if they wanted it or whatever but he was like effectively like saving it for them to show them 187 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:56,700 how much how much how much value it can accrue so yeah cool the number one story this week is the 188 00:10:56,700 --> 00:11:00,960 true and accurate history of toxic bitcoin maximal this is from scoresby 34 comments 189 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,820 5,736 commons or sats. 190 00:11:03,980 --> 00:11:04,620 Yeah, what's this? 191 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,040 Yeah, so Scoresby walks us through the history 192 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,480 of this comment, 193 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,780 one of the more commonly used terms 194 00:11:10,780 --> 00:11:13,600 to describe a certain kind of Bitcoiner. 195 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:15,640 I think most Bitcoiners would, 196 00:11:16,220 --> 00:11:17,620 most people we would call Bitcoiners 197 00:11:17,620 --> 00:11:19,680 would probably call themselves maximalists. 198 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:21,900 And then like some subset of that 199 00:11:21,900 --> 00:11:23,200 would be toxic maximalists. 200 00:11:23,380 --> 00:11:24,640 But Scoresby goes through 201 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,400 and tries to uncover the origin 202 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,560 of toxic Bitcoin maximalists. 203 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,760 And it seems most people had it roughly correct 204 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,300 in that it originated with Vitalik. 205 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,740 DarthCoin in the comments thinks that 206 00:11:43,740 --> 00:11:51,420 Porcia Merceau might actually have used the term earlier, 207 00:11:51,660 --> 00:11:54,900 but I don't think we were able to find 208 00:11:54,900 --> 00:11:56,480 anything corroborating that. 209 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:19,540 But yeah, the term was really, I guess, reappropriated by Bitcoiners in 2017, 2018 is when we started kind of being proud to be called a Bitcoin maximalist and then also a toxic Bitcoin maximalist. 210 00:12:19,540 --> 00:12:30,940 which more or less means that we think that there is really no much value in the rest of the crypto ecosystem. 211 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,000 It kind of all accrues to Bitcoin. 212 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:39,340 And Bitcoin has such a runaway network effect that it's unlikely that another coin would catch up 213 00:12:39,340 --> 00:12:42,240 and mostly everything else is a scam. 214 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:49,200 But Vitalik used that to kind of insult Bitcoiners for being kind of narrow-minded. 215 00:12:49,540 --> 00:12:56,640 and then i guess the first instance of bitcoiners flipping it around or one of the early ones was 216 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:05,060 this um i think what it's what is it called breaking bitcoin conference uh in 2019 um 217 00:13:05,060 --> 00:13:16,700 kyle torpe made a shirt a toxic maximalism shirt and then we were running away and then i also uh 218 00:13:16,700 --> 00:13:25,460 Zucco Giacomo Zucco gave a talk about toxic Bitcoin maximalism 219 00:13:25,460 --> 00:13:30,060 and sort of began to further kind of define what it meant 220 00:13:30,060 --> 00:13:32,780 and identify himself with it. 221 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,500 But all of it traces back ultimately to Vitalik's, 222 00:13:38,500 --> 00:13:43,400 I think it was a 2014, November 2014 post, 223 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:50,180 not using the word toxic, but saying Bitcoin, calling Bitcoiners Bitcoin maximalists. And this 224 00:13:50,180 --> 00:13:56,160 was around the time, I guess he was probably cooking up Ethereum. And then I think the first 225 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:01,080 instance, the first instance that scores we could come up with where toxic was associated with Bitcoin 226 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:08,000 maximalists was this tweet from Kevin Pham, who I believe went on to be, well, he was like, 227 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,300 did he go to jail 228 00:14:09,300 --> 00:14:11,060 I think he was a bit 229 00:14:11,060 --> 00:14:12,420 a BSV person 230 00:14:12,420 --> 00:14:12,880 yeah 231 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:13,900 or that's what it was 232 00:14:13,900 --> 00:14:14,880 I think he was 233 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:26,304 one of those things I think he transitioned he went full BSV I think yeah yeah he did I think he was a big blocker and then but he was he was like a big part of Bitcoin Twitter I think he transitioned He went full BSV I think Yeah he did I think he was a big blocker But he was like a big part of Bitcoin Twitter I think in the early days 234 00:14:27,284 --> 00:14:29,264 Or at least around this period of time. 235 00:14:31,604 --> 00:14:36,264 And yeah, so that is like ultimately it's most, 236 00:14:36,264 --> 00:14:40,264 I think it's fair to attribute it to Vitalik, Bitcoin maximalism. 237 00:14:40,984 --> 00:14:44,484 The toxic term seems to have been added on at some point. 238 00:14:44,484 --> 00:14:48,804 And there's possible that a lot of this stuff happened offline and there's no record of it online. 239 00:14:48,884 --> 00:14:49,564 So we don't know. 240 00:14:50,124 --> 00:14:54,304 Maybe someone said it earlier at a conference that no one recorded or is hard to find. 241 00:14:56,684 --> 00:15:04,644 But it's probably safe to assume it originated with Vitalik or that's the safest place to assume it came from. 242 00:15:04,644 --> 00:15:25,824 And then at the end, Scoresby ties Bitcoin, or where Vitalik might have got the term maximalism, to Toxic Avengers, which is a cult classic horror movie from the 80s. 243 00:15:26,184 --> 00:15:27,784 That's quite bad. 244 00:15:28,284 --> 00:15:29,684 But so bad it's good. 245 00:15:29,684 --> 00:15:30,884 I guess 246 00:15:30,884 --> 00:15:33,524 yeah 247 00:15:33,524 --> 00:15:35,604 you might want to look into that yourself 248 00:15:35,604 --> 00:15:41,464 but that is the origin 249 00:15:41,464 --> 00:15:44,504 of Bitcoin maximalism 250 00:15:44,504 --> 00:15:47,264 the term toxic Bitcoin maximalism 251 00:15:47,264 --> 00:15:47,884 and here's some 252 00:15:47,884 --> 00:15:51,364 photographs 253 00:15:51,364 --> 00:15:54,324 top comment was from 254 00:15:54,324 --> 00:15:56,584 Simple Snacker said 255 00:15:56,584 --> 00:15:58,424 dude that is some remarkable sleuthing 256 00:15:58,424 --> 00:16:03,064 how did you find out about the toxic avenger connection seems like extremely obscure piece of 257 00:16:03,064 --> 00:16:10,424 lore he said i will refer you to my other memeology scores we did similar histories about 258 00:16:10,424 --> 00:16:15,944 half unstained poor and boating accidents which both have end in obscure lore 259 00:16:17,624 --> 00:16:24,104 then uh darth queen posted the thing that you said about pub skew mercy of or so 260 00:16:28,424 --> 00:16:31,464 yeah pretty much it 261 00:16:31,464 --> 00:16:33,744 Tosh says 262 00:16:33,744 --> 00:16:35,764 squargey once again proving how to write a 263 00:16:35,764 --> 00:16:37,044 banger piece for secreties 264 00:16:37,044 --> 00:16:41,604 and then 265 00:16:41,604 --> 00:16:43,744 C47 says I love this deep dive I need to 266 00:16:43,744 --> 00:16:45,364 go back and read it more carefully when I have time 267 00:16:45,364 --> 00:16:47,804 great work I spent a lot of time on Lop's piece when it came out 268 00:16:47,804 --> 00:16:48,644 Nick Carter had a few 269 00:16:48,644 --> 00:16:50,524 at the time too 270 00:16:50,524 --> 00:16:52,784 yeah 271 00:16:52,784 --> 00:16:54,384 okay 272 00:16:54,384 --> 00:16:57,164 I think that's all the top stories this week 273 00:16:57,164 --> 00:16:59,664 Key on you got anything else you want to say about this 274 00:16:59,664 --> 00:17:03,464 I think I'm okay okay cool 275 00:17:03,464 --> 00:17:06,464 let's jump into where is the 276 00:17:06,464 --> 00:17:11,084 let's jump into Wumble's picks 277 00:17:11,084 --> 00:17:13,884 Wumble's picks 278 00:17:13,884 --> 00:17:18,944 privacy and Bitcoin state of the practice this is Wumble's picks 279 00:17:18,944 --> 00:17:22,004 Wumble is Wumble 280 00:17:22,004 --> 00:17:26,604 and every week he picks a pick and Key on 281 00:17:26,604 --> 00:17:30,184 talks about it because it's Womblespix. 282 00:17:31,144 --> 00:17:34,484 It looks like Satsbridge asked stackers 283 00:17:34,484 --> 00:17:37,004 what they thought of the state of privacy in Bitcoin 284 00:17:37,004 --> 00:17:40,104 and they enumerated a bunch of options in a poll 285 00:17:40,104 --> 00:17:44,364 and Lightning is good enough for privacy 286 00:17:44,364 --> 00:17:46,444 as one of the options and it appears to have won 287 00:17:46,444 --> 00:17:48,724 which stackers will be 288 00:17:48,724 --> 00:17:52,304 in most cases be biased towards Lightning 289 00:17:52,304 --> 00:17:53,604 because a lot of them are Lightning users 290 00:17:53,604 --> 00:17:56,204 but in addition to Lightning here, 291 00:17:56,284 --> 00:18:00,624 he also had CoinJoin, CoinSwaps, 292 00:18:00,784 --> 00:18:03,944 which I guess are part of some new protocol that's coming. 293 00:18:06,244 --> 00:18:09,084 Mimblewimble, softworks in Bitcoin that don't exist. 294 00:18:10,124 --> 00:18:12,524 And then he also gave an option of alt change. 295 00:18:12,784 --> 00:18:13,864 So most of those options, 296 00:18:14,004 --> 00:18:16,744 except CoinJoin and Lightning got picked, 297 00:18:16,924 --> 00:18:18,164 got voted for, 298 00:18:18,284 --> 00:18:21,064 and Lightning is good enough won in our poll here. 299 00:18:21,064 --> 00:18:36,984 But Wombo asks, for a normie, a low-risk individual, someone who maybe doesn't have a, what is it called, a high threat profile or threat level, is lightning good enough for privacy? 300 00:18:38,484 --> 00:18:46,804 Certainly for sending, increasingly for receiving, given that blinded path has become pretty widely adopted among all implementations. 301 00:18:46,804 --> 00:18:52,564 but most likely for the normal person, 302 00:18:52,664 --> 00:18:54,244 they probably have a mobile phone node 303 00:18:54,244 --> 00:18:56,804 and they might be using something like Phoenix, 304 00:18:57,004 --> 00:18:58,864 which has only private channels. 305 00:19:01,104 --> 00:19:05,824 And they're probably, I don't know if Phoenix has done this yet, 306 00:19:05,884 --> 00:19:08,304 but they might be using blinded paths in that case 307 00:19:08,304 --> 00:19:10,924 to pay to the mobile node. 308 00:19:11,924 --> 00:19:14,024 But I would guess it's pretty good. 309 00:19:14,024 --> 00:19:18,944 certainly for certainly for sending you know maybe for receiving depending on what 310 00:19:18,944 --> 00:19:23,684 what their wallet is actually doing and what lightning implementation they're using and how 311 00:19:23,684 --> 00:19:30,504 well configured it is for privacy um and then his second question is any tips for stackers who want 312 00:19:30,504 --> 00:19:39,824 to improve their lightning privacy skills uh yeah so the like anything any specific things here it's 313 00:19:39,824 --> 00:19:44,884 mostly if you have an if you have the option to turn on blinded paths turn them on uh it can 314 00:19:44,884 --> 00:19:52,524 create issues with receiving payments if uh you choose a blinded path to a path that doesn't have 315 00:19:52,524 --> 00:19:57,704 liquidity to your node so that is something to keep in mind is you kind of have to predict the 316 00:19:57,704 --> 00:20:07,024 future of channel liquidity if you're using blinded paths um and then i would say lightning 317 00:20:07,024 --> 00:20:13,024 addresses are are okay but you're most likely if you have a lightning address you have you either 318 00:20:13,024 --> 00:20:21,404 using a third party custodian or you are um you're running a server yourself in which case if you're 319 00:20:21,404 --> 00:20:25,544 running a server yourself you might you'll have dns records and stuff and maybe those aren't so 320 00:20:25,544 --> 00:20:34,684 private uh yeah i think if you if you're really concerned about privacy and you aren't really 321 00:20:34,684 --> 00:20:41,404 sure about blinded paths you can use things like ln proxy to wrap your invoices and hide your um 322 00:20:41,404 --> 00:20:50,084 your receiving pub key um trying to think of other things that might be especially beneficial 323 00:20:50,084 --> 00:20:58,024 there are you can spin up a temporary node if you're like if you're engaged if you're engaging 324 00:20:58,024 --> 00:21:03,684 in commerce over a short period of time sometimes that an on-chain fees are low you can spin up a 325 00:21:03,684 --> 00:21:09,864 node with a with a with a pub key um that you only use for that specific use for that period 326 00:21:09,864 --> 00:21:16,424 of time and then shut that node down that might be another way to really not be have to be too 327 00:21:16,424 --> 00:21:21,164 concerned about receiver privacy because your receiver is like scoped to one specific use case 328 00:21:21,164 --> 00:21:30,184 but there's a lot of good articles out there um a local austonian or austonian or austenite i don't 329 00:21:30,184 --> 00:21:38,924 know what you'd say tonight Tony Giorgio um wrote a pretty great like state of lightning privacy I 330 00:21:38,924 --> 00:21:47,864 think in 2022 21 maybe um and that is still pretty pretty accurate uh except for a blinded pass 331 00:21:47,864 --> 00:21:55,484 but that is those are all of Wombo's questions Wombo's picks we weren't able to cover your other 332 00:21:55,484 --> 00:21:58,844 posts because Keon didn't read it Wombo but um we'll probably do that next week 333 00:21:58,844 --> 00:22:01,524 cool that's Wumble's 334 00:22:01,524 --> 00:22:01,884 picks 335 00:22:01,884 --> 00:22:03,264 Wumble 336 00:22:03,264 --> 00:22:06,244 picks 337 00:22:06,244 --> 00:22:09,464 we're going to jump into the 338 00:22:09,464 --> 00:22:11,484 let's go 339 00:22:11,484 --> 00:22:13,384 let's go Keon let's keep doing Bitcoin let's go Keon's 340 00:22:13,384 --> 00:22:15,364 post the software gets a 51% 341 00:22:15,364 --> 00:22:17,484 attack on Bitcoin Keon do you know that 342 00:22:17,484 --> 00:22:19,064 apparently scores we wrote about it 343 00:22:19,064 --> 00:22:21,084 you got 12,000 stats for it 344 00:22:21,084 --> 00:22:23,384 what is this Keon yeah so this 345 00:22:23,384 --> 00:22:25,204 is the next chapter in 346 00:22:25,204 --> 00:22:27,164 Voskull's crypto 347 00:22:27,164 --> 00:22:35,504 economics and uh like i don't know if that title this is how vosco describes a soft fork 348 00:22:35,504 --> 00:22:40,624 um and one way to view it let's most often what you how you have people describe soft 349 00:22:40,624 --> 00:22:48,264 works is that it is a restricting of rules um so that old nodes that have more lenient 350 00:22:48,264 --> 00:22:54,924 rules will still accept blocks mined under the new stricter set of rules and therefore 351 00:22:54,924 --> 00:23:02,604 it's it's soft because you don't you aren't forced to upgrade to choose um which side you're on uh 352 00:23:02,604 --> 00:23:08,284 you'll stay you'll stay with the new side just by simply not updating um 353 00:23:10,444 --> 00:23:17,884 and uh what else yeah but he but another way to view this is that uh it's quite similar to 354 00:23:17,884 --> 00:23:30,524 a 51 attack where miners are kind of forcing you or are choosing altogether or as a majority to 355 00:23:30,524 --> 00:23:37,644 restrict the rule set um such that new blocks that have or potential new blocks that have that accept 356 00:23:37,644 --> 00:23:42,764 that have a more lenient rule set or are rejected or orphaned they're abandoned by the network 357 00:23:42,764 --> 00:23:49,964 because the 51% of miners will be mining on the more restricted set 358 00:23:49,964 --> 00:23:52,864 and reject any of the more lenient rule set. 359 00:23:53,804 --> 00:23:56,924 Anyway, it's a good post if you are struggling with understanding 360 00:23:56,924 --> 00:23:59,904 the differences between soft forks and hard forks 361 00:23:59,904 --> 00:24:07,624 because it's kind of a new framing for something that, I don't know, 362 00:24:07,684 --> 00:24:09,944 I think kind of has a stale, insufficient definition. 363 00:24:12,764 --> 00:24:17,584 and the reality is quite a bit more dynamic and it's not just, 364 00:24:17,724 --> 00:24:18,824 it's, it's a little, it's, 365 00:24:18,924 --> 00:24:25,364 there's more to say about it than the rules are stricter because miners play a 366 00:24:25,364 --> 00:24:29,704 significant role in the process. And this is maybe a better example. 367 00:24:29,704 --> 00:24:32,204 Merch goes, merch comes in the comments too. 368 00:24:32,404 --> 00:24:35,884 And then elaborates further about what, 369 00:24:36,004 --> 00:24:38,644 like how softworks actually work in practice. 370 00:24:38,644 --> 00:24:40,884 and that usually you have 371 00:24:40,884 --> 00:24:43,604 you want the miners to all signal 372 00:24:43,604 --> 00:24:44,584 that they'll be 373 00:24:44,584 --> 00:24:47,184 mining the soft fork before you 374 00:24:47,184 --> 00:24:49,084 actually go ahead and activate it 375 00:24:49,084 --> 00:24:51,484 because if you don't 376 00:24:51,484 --> 00:24:52,644 you end up in a 377 00:24:52,644 --> 00:24:54,064 chain split 378 00:24:54,064 --> 00:24:55,304 later Ted 379 00:24:55,304 --> 00:24:59,544 because less than 51% 380 00:24:59,544 --> 00:25:01,484 of the hash rate is enforcing the soft fork 381 00:25:01,484 --> 00:25:01,844 that 382 00:25:01,844 --> 00:25:05,604 minority will split 383 00:25:05,604 --> 00:25:07,624 will be mining effectively 384 00:25:07,624 --> 00:25:11,144 on another chain relative to the majority of hash power. 385 00:25:12,524 --> 00:25:17,164 I don't know if we still call that a hard fork in that case. 386 00:25:17,464 --> 00:25:21,924 I think it effectively is a hard fork, 387 00:25:21,924 --> 00:25:26,884 but I guess if the minority chain at some point chooses 388 00:25:26,884 --> 00:25:30,844 to go back to more lenient rules, 389 00:25:32,404 --> 00:25:37,504 yeah, basically their chain tip would become completely orphaned and stale. 390 00:25:37,624 --> 00:25:39,144 and then they'd switch back over. 391 00:25:40,204 --> 00:25:44,164 Anyway, it's a risky situation if you're on a minority, 392 00:25:44,604 --> 00:25:47,724 the minority side of mining on the minority side of a soft fork. 393 00:25:49,144 --> 00:25:51,284 Yep, looks like a lot of comments. 394 00:25:52,364 --> 00:25:53,684 Somebody got outlawed. 395 00:25:54,804 --> 00:25:55,204 Tunji? 396 00:25:55,724 --> 00:25:57,544 I know who that is. 397 00:26:00,244 --> 00:26:00,724 Cool. 398 00:26:00,724 --> 00:26:13,324 the next one that you had was uh announcing lnd version dot 20 yeah yeah beta beta yep uh 399 00:26:13,324 --> 00:26:18,704 yeah so lightning has a new version out i think they it's there's a few things that improve but 400 00:26:18,704 --> 00:26:24,144 it's it's like a lot of it is performance related um so they're moving they're gradually 401 00:26:24,144 --> 00:26:30,304 migrating to a relational data store so they have been they've had so what's a relational data store 402 00:26:30,304 --> 00:26:35,024 It means that data is not stored in a flat way. 403 00:26:35,164 --> 00:26:37,064 It's stored in more of a hierarchical way, 404 00:26:37,184 --> 00:26:42,164 where the relationships between data is properly managed, 405 00:26:42,304 --> 00:26:50,764 such that the data suffers less from becoming inconsistent with other related data. 406 00:26:51,964 --> 00:26:55,684 And then it can also help load performance, 407 00:26:55,684 --> 00:26:58,964 because the indices and stuff are written to disk. 408 00:27:00,304 --> 00:27:07,224 and don't need to be constructed on startup uh which i believe is how it currently works with 409 00:27:07,224 --> 00:27:13,444 bolt db um anyway they're so they're continuing that migration i think they most of the api is 410 00:27:13,444 --> 00:27:21,784 backed by new relational stuff if you start it up that way um and then the rate limits on their 411 00:27:21,784 --> 00:27:25,424 gossip have improved such that i guess there's significant performance improvements in 412 00:27:25,424 --> 00:27:28,904 understanding the channel graph around you. 413 00:27:30,544 --> 00:27:32,944 And then I think you get to choose, 414 00:27:33,984 --> 00:27:37,024 you have more configuration over who you are 415 00:27:37,024 --> 00:27:41,104 receiving blinded invoices through, is my 416 00:27:41,104 --> 00:27:44,564 understanding of that. But, you know, a nice 417 00:27:44,564 --> 00:27:48,944 smattering of improvements, quite a few of them 418 00:27:48,944 --> 00:27:50,824 mostly performance related. 419 00:27:50,824 --> 00:28:01,544 there you go so upgrade or uh it's i would say it's it might be okay you might want to 420 00:28:01,544 --> 00:28:07,464 you know i don't it hasn't been out for more than i think a few days maybe a week but uh 421 00:28:07,464 --> 00:28:15,364 it's always a good idea to keep this stuff only you know at most six months behind where they are 422 00:28:15,364 --> 00:28:19,784 because there will be there will be bugs and many of the money losing bugs 423 00:28:20,824 --> 00:28:31,824 There we go. Cool. The other one that you had, or was that all of them? Yeah, I think that was all of your posts. 424 00:28:31,824 --> 00:28:47,908 Yeah that all the Bitcoin posts that we had today Actually let jump into the AI one The only AI post that we had today was let jump into um the ai one that the only ai post that we had today was the normalization of deviance in ai i don know if you read this one this was a really 425 00:28:47,908 --> 00:28:56,848 fascinating article um this was talking about how the ai industry is repeating the same cultural 426 00:28:56,848 --> 00:29:02,528 failures that contributed to the space shuttle challenger disaster where they're normalizing 427 00:29:02,528 --> 00:29:08,348 warning signs when it comes to LLM outputs. 428 00:29:09,228 --> 00:29:10,668 And it goes down here at the bottom. 429 00:29:10,808 --> 00:29:14,108 They give a really good kind of industry examples 430 00:29:14,108 --> 00:29:15,608 of what's actually going on here. 431 00:29:16,668 --> 00:29:18,968 And so let me just read this out for you. 432 00:29:19,228 --> 00:29:21,788 Three years after ChatGBT shipped, 433 00:29:21,928 --> 00:29:23,848 vendors push NJTIC AI to users, 434 00:29:24,348 --> 00:29:25,748 but at the same time vendors are highlighting 435 00:29:25,748 --> 00:29:28,388 that your system might get compromised by that same AI. 436 00:29:29,288 --> 00:29:31,308 That drift, that normalization is what I call 437 00:29:31,308 --> 00:29:33,928 the normalization of deviance in AI. 438 00:29:34,988 --> 00:29:37,208 And then he goes each one by one. 439 00:29:37,268 --> 00:29:39,948 He talks about how Microsoft's energetic operating system, 440 00:29:40,768 --> 00:29:43,468 Microsoft's documentation warns that prompt injection attacks 441 00:29:43,468 --> 00:29:47,548 can override agent instructions leading to unintended actions. 442 00:29:48,548 --> 00:29:51,548 Then he goes into like Atlas, the new browser. 443 00:29:52,148 --> 00:29:54,968 It's documented by the vendor that the system might make mistakes 444 00:29:54,968 --> 00:29:55,768 when browsing the web. 445 00:29:56,528 --> 00:29:57,928 And then OPI responded with, 446 00:29:57,928 --> 00:30:00,108 we recommend caution using Atlas in context 447 00:30:00,108 --> 00:30:02,208 that require heightened compliance and security controls, 448 00:30:02,248 --> 00:30:04,108 such as regulated confidential production data. 449 00:30:05,108 --> 00:30:10,008 Anthropic Cloud also referenced that their data exfiltration. 450 00:30:11,008 --> 00:30:13,968 This means that Cloud can be tricked into sending information from its contacts, 451 00:30:14,408 --> 00:30:17,828 for example, prompts, projects, data via MCP, Google integration, 452 00:30:18,008 --> 00:30:18,928 some malicious third parties. 453 00:30:19,388 --> 00:30:22,508 To mitigate these risks, we recommend you monitor Cloud. 454 00:30:24,328 --> 00:30:27,728 They go into even Google, anti-gravity, remote code execution. 455 00:30:27,728 --> 00:30:34,348 So all the stuff that you would see from like prompt injection or any type of copy and pasting and stuff like that. 456 00:30:34,688 --> 00:30:40,368 And then he basically goes into like this kind of conclusion that I'll read it. 457 00:30:40,408 --> 00:30:49,168 What he says here, he says, nevertheless, before we drift off into a utopian future with energetic AI, I believe that the best and safest outcome is to stay realistic around capabilities and control mechanisms. 458 00:30:49,528 --> 00:30:55,068 And for AI to remain human led, particularly in high state context, to ensure that the best outcome overall. 459 00:30:55,728 --> 00:30:56,988 Does that mean AI is doomed? 460 00:30:56,988 --> 00:30:57,748 No, of course not. 461 00:30:57,828 --> 00:30:58,668 There's a lot of potential. 462 00:30:58,828 --> 00:31:01,588 Many low-stake workflows can be implemented already today. 463 00:31:02,348 --> 00:31:04,688 Even high-risk workflows can be done with proper threat modeling, 464 00:31:05,008 --> 00:31:06,128 mitigations, and oversight. 465 00:31:08,008 --> 00:31:14,868 It's a lot, but I think it definitely grabs you when you read that. 466 00:31:15,108 --> 00:31:19,768 And it's definitely something that we keep seeing more and more news about 467 00:31:19,768 --> 00:31:24,668 just with the copy and pasting of just developers 468 00:31:24,668 --> 00:31:27,268 and even people like myself who do other work. 469 00:31:28,228 --> 00:31:31,368 Just not really thinking about what you're pasted into an email 470 00:31:31,368 --> 00:31:37,268 or pasting into one application or another inside the web. 471 00:31:39,008 --> 00:31:39,108 Yeah. 472 00:31:41,288 --> 00:31:42,588 What do you think about this stuff? 473 00:31:42,768 --> 00:31:44,288 Yeah, it's certainly a provocative title. 474 00:31:44,528 --> 00:31:48,668 And I don't know if it's normalized. 475 00:31:49,088 --> 00:31:52,788 I don't think people have really accepted these risks 476 00:31:52,788 --> 00:31:54,768 is like they're okay. 477 00:31:56,268 --> 00:31:57,928 I think they're making, 478 00:31:58,088 --> 00:32:00,008 I would guess they're mostly making a calculation 479 00:32:00,008 --> 00:32:03,368 that in many cases that it's worth the risk 480 00:32:03,368 --> 00:32:07,668 to get the value provided by an AI 481 00:32:07,668 --> 00:32:09,348 with the risk that you might be, 482 00:32:09,588 --> 00:32:11,568 you might get, data might get exfiltrated 483 00:32:11,568 --> 00:32:14,968 or something else might happen. 484 00:32:16,008 --> 00:32:18,888 That's how like a lot of people think about security 485 00:32:18,888 --> 00:32:23,608 is they kind of accept that there might be issues 486 00:32:23,608 --> 00:32:26,528 with their kind of lazy approach to something 487 00:32:26,528 --> 00:32:30,108 but are happy being lazy 488 00:32:30,108 --> 00:32:34,548 so long as they get something from it. 489 00:32:34,628 --> 00:32:37,528 It makes them whatever their desires are. 490 00:32:37,528 --> 00:32:39,708 I mean, we kind of seen this already in the 90s. 491 00:32:39,708 --> 00:32:41,268 I mean, I don't know if you remember this, 492 00:32:41,328 --> 00:32:43,068 but like in the 90s and the early 2000s 493 00:32:43,068 --> 00:32:45,968 with like ActiveX and like Flash, 494 00:32:45,968 --> 00:32:49,108 like Steve Jobs used to call out Flash specifically 495 00:32:49,108 --> 00:32:53,348 because it was like an attack vector on operating systems 496 00:32:53,348 --> 00:32:58,288 and ActiveX especially was one on Microsoft systems for sure. 497 00:32:59,708 --> 00:33:03,008 So I feel like we've seen this kind of playbook before. 498 00:33:04,068 --> 00:33:07,108 How they resolved it was just not... 499 00:33:07,108 --> 00:33:08,148 I don't know how they resolved it. 500 00:33:08,148 --> 00:33:13,108 I guess they resolved it by just getting rid of those... 501 00:33:13,108 --> 00:33:17,808 those controllers 502 00:33:17,808 --> 00:33:20,208 or that piece of software 503 00:33:20,208 --> 00:33:21,968 that allowed you to do those things, I guess. 504 00:33:22,048 --> 00:33:23,348 Because Flash ended up just getting 505 00:33:23,348 --> 00:33:26,408 replaced with HTML5 and HPEX. 506 00:33:26,648 --> 00:33:27,848 Yeah, the technologies were replaced 507 00:33:27,848 --> 00:33:29,208 with things that were 508 00:33:29,208 --> 00:33:32,488 thought from the beginning 509 00:33:32,488 --> 00:33:33,748 to be more secure. 510 00:33:34,008 --> 00:33:35,508 So maybe that's kind of 511 00:33:35,508 --> 00:33:36,788 maybe what we can expect from. 512 00:33:36,868 --> 00:33:38,708 Do you think like MCP and stuff like that 513 00:33:38,708 --> 00:33:40,288 will eventually just also 514 00:33:40,288 --> 00:33:41,788 kind of fall away of 515 00:33:41,788 --> 00:33:47,268 because a lot of this i mean a lot of this stuff like even atlas is like supposed to 516 00:33:47,268 --> 00:33:51,508 eventually i mean hypothetically it's supposed to you're supposed to go to the web 517 00:33:51,508 --> 00:33:57,968 i'm supposed to say i want a airbnb and corpus for december and it's supposed to automatically 518 00:33:57,968 --> 00:34:01,108 book everything and it's supposed to handle everything and i'm not and i'm not supposed 519 00:34:01,108 --> 00:34:06,328 to touch anything other than it just does it and stay within a reasonable amount right like 520 00:34:06,328 --> 00:34:13,888 but how do you secure that all the way through with with my passwords with my uh money and with 521 00:34:13,888 --> 00:34:21,448 my uh everything and like how does that handoff happen between those two silos it's a real problem 522 00:34:21,448 --> 00:34:27,268 not a real problem it's a real like it's a real problem that i don't know a problem it's a real 523 00:34:27,268 --> 00:34:35,408 like it's like a gap it's like a gap in the ai space that hasn't been figured out how to cross 524 00:34:35,408 --> 00:34:39,948 and I would even say it's going to be a bridge it's going to have to be like some sort of like 525 00:34:39,948 --> 00:34:47,108 it's almost like it's almost like it's almost like light years away and they're going to have 526 00:34:47,108 --> 00:34:50,048 to figure out like some type of thing that's going to allow them to have like fold a piece 527 00:34:50,048 --> 00:34:53,788 of paper it's like you know what I mean like I feel like it's going to have to be something like 528 00:34:53,788 --> 00:34:59,588 that ginormous as far as the technology that's going to allow people to share all these creds 529 00:34:59,588 --> 00:35:02,248 because at some point you're going to be able to, 530 00:35:02,348 --> 00:35:05,508 you should be able to do this with, 531 00:35:06,508 --> 00:35:08,128 between all these different things, right? 532 00:35:08,888 --> 00:35:10,428 Similar to what we do with our phones. 533 00:35:10,428 --> 00:35:13,408 Yeah, my hope is that eventually all this stuff will, 534 00:35:13,748 --> 00:35:16,328 like you'll have really good systems that just run locally. 535 00:35:17,008 --> 00:35:18,948 So a lot of this stuff becomes a little, 536 00:35:19,108 --> 00:35:23,228 maybe less dangerous in the sense of what you're giving 537 00:35:23,228 --> 00:35:26,648 a company like OpenAI or these model companies. 538 00:35:27,168 --> 00:35:28,388 But you still have an issue of like, 539 00:35:28,388 --> 00:35:33,028 if you have this system that can take arbitrary generic prompts that might be 540 00:35:33,028 --> 00:35:36,148 able to do anything locally on your computer, Hey, look, we have a guy, 541 00:35:36,148 --> 00:35:37,248 we have a visitor. 542 00:35:40,168 --> 00:35:42,468 Then maybe that'll, you know, 543 00:35:42,508 --> 00:35:47,668 maybe that'll result in all kinds of weird things. But I, 544 00:35:47,708 --> 00:35:51,708 I suspect, you know, it's just where this is like sort of at the, 545 00:35:51,988 --> 00:35:54,328 we're at the very early edge of this stuff. 546 00:35:54,388 --> 00:35:58,148 And so I think we need to figure out all the hazards and then people, 547 00:35:58,388 --> 00:36:03,328 producing solutions it almost makes you wonder like is it going to take like decades you think 548 00:36:03,328 --> 00:36:13,568 uh for what for to like solve a security problem with llms yeah uh i'm not sure it'll ever be 549 00:36:13,568 --> 00:36:17,628 solved right because like we don't we haven't solved the security problems with most things 550 00:36:17,628 --> 00:36:22,988 they all have vulnerabilities of some kind uh and require like layers and layers of defenses 551 00:36:22,988 --> 00:36:26,908 it almost feels like bitcoin is the only thing that solves this problem 552 00:36:26,908 --> 00:36:28,928 I don't know how Bitcoin solves that. 553 00:36:30,708 --> 00:36:31,828 I got some ideas. 554 00:36:34,548 --> 00:36:35,028 Okay. 555 00:36:35,448 --> 00:36:36,088 Cool stuff. 556 00:36:36,248 --> 00:36:36,508 Anyway. 557 00:36:40,128 --> 00:36:40,608 Yeah. 558 00:36:40,748 --> 00:36:41,308 Really good. 559 00:36:42,228 --> 00:36:43,208 Really good post. 560 00:36:44,988 --> 00:36:45,468 Yeah. 561 00:36:45,508 --> 00:36:47,508 It looks like FreeTX said, 562 00:36:47,588 --> 00:36:49,128 I don't really disagree with the underlying point, 563 00:36:49,208 --> 00:36:50,948 but have lots of small disagreements otherwise. 564 00:36:53,208 --> 00:36:53,688 Yeah. 565 00:36:53,708 --> 00:36:55,928 And then it goes into his take. 566 00:36:55,928 --> 00:37:00,308 definitely check it out the other one i wanted to bring up was um 567 00:37:00,308 --> 00:37:11,388 a funny one bitcoin chia pet did you see this i shared it so now you can get your own chia pet 568 00:37:11,388 --> 00:37:15,468 it's just so hideous that's the problem they didn't they didn't even get creative with it 569 00:37:15,468 --> 00:37:21,188 it's literally just a circle with i kind of want it though chia on the sides i mean it's is it weird 570 00:37:21,188 --> 00:37:26,048 that i want this i you know like a little yeah i think it's a little weird but i don't understand 571 00:37:26,048 --> 00:37:31,688 where the grass is growing though like is it coming from the because this coin is it's like 572 00:37:31,688 --> 00:37:37,308 a grass sandwich well this coin is not very thick you know coins it is thick though so it has to be 573 00:37:37,308 --> 00:37:44,168 like it's got a thick edge oh you mean it's like a tennis ball behind that yeah oh yeah yeah oh so 574 00:37:44,168 --> 00:37:50,928 it's not flat yeah okay i see what you're saying yeah have you ever had a chia pet before 575 00:37:51,668 --> 00:37:53,968 You can see the side there and that picture on the front, 576 00:37:54,028 --> 00:37:55,348 the little picture where it says... 577 00:37:55,348 --> 00:37:55,788 Oh, right here. 578 00:37:55,888 --> 00:37:57,828 Yeah, look right there because you can see... 579 00:37:57,828 --> 00:37:57,948 Yeah. 580 00:37:58,108 --> 00:37:59,348 Right there it looks like... 581 00:37:59,348 --> 00:38:00,568 It's a couple of knuckles. 582 00:38:02,108 --> 00:38:03,088 Are you going to get one? 583 00:38:03,848 --> 00:38:04,168 Nope. 584 00:38:05,208 --> 00:38:06,208 Oh, I thought you were going to get one. 585 00:38:07,428 --> 00:38:09,708 You should get one so I can watch it grow. 586 00:38:10,308 --> 00:38:12,188 Well, you're the one that wants one, so why don't you get one? 587 00:38:13,008 --> 00:38:15,568 I can just get you to buy one and then I can just watch it. 588 00:38:15,568 --> 00:38:16,088 I can participate. 589 00:38:16,088 --> 00:38:18,268 You can't get me to buy one because I told you. 590 00:38:18,268 --> 00:38:19,148 I mean, you posted it. 591 00:38:19,148 --> 00:38:23,468 you can buy one and i can just watch you have one and then i can see it grow too okay well let's wait 592 00:38:23,468 --> 00:38:27,848 for me to get it which i won't do and then you can just i'll show you where i'm gonna put it 593 00:38:27,848 --> 00:38:31,288 and you can just watch that spot but you went and you would never get this 594 00:38:31,288 --> 00:38:38,228 i wouldn't say never maybe i become like a chia pet collector and i this is what this would be 595 00:38:38,228 --> 00:38:45,028 your first chia pet no have you had a chia pet before i don't think i have really you have a lot 596 00:38:45,028 --> 00:38:49,328 of plants though you seem like a plant guy yeah but this is like not a plant this is like for 597 00:38:49,328 --> 00:38:53,728 someone who has a big interest in plants but then has an interest in something else and they're like 598 00:38:53,728 --> 00:39:00,288 hey this could be it like you might be a plant person wait are you saying that chia pets aren't 599 00:39:00,288 --> 00:39:07,788 real plants uh that's a spicy tip it's like a it's a it's an entry vector into plants for people who 600 00:39:07,788 --> 00:39:12,688 aren't sold on having a plant alone so you're intrigued by a normal plant it's not actual 601 00:39:12,688 --> 00:39:14,728 leaves is what you're saying. I didn't 602 00:39:14,728 --> 00:39:16,888 know that. That's not what I said. 603 00:39:16,988 --> 00:39:18,148 It's a real thing. 604 00:39:18,548 --> 00:39:19,448 It's a real 605 00:39:19,448 --> 00:39:22,568 organism that is growing. 606 00:39:23,768 --> 00:39:24,788 This lady going to the 607 00:39:24,788 --> 00:39:25,548 bathroom. Hey, lady. 608 00:39:27,028 --> 00:39:28,708 Keep calling it out. It's going to be 609 00:39:28,708 --> 00:39:29,048 weird. 610 00:39:30,468 --> 00:39:32,208 The next thing I wanted to bring up was 611 00:39:32,208 --> 00:39:34,588 Proxima Centauri B. 612 00:39:35,268 --> 00:39:36,108 Did you hear about this? 613 00:39:37,108 --> 00:39:37,548 Apparently, 614 00:39:37,548 --> 00:39:38,648 a lady leaving. 615 00:39:39,328 --> 00:39:40,508 Apparently, this is 616 00:39:40,508 --> 00:39:44,688 Proxima Centauri is 617 00:39:44,688 --> 00:39:46,888 four light years from Earth. 618 00:39:47,708 --> 00:39:48,508 This is the star. 619 00:39:48,728 --> 00:39:49,848 It's not too many light years. 620 00:39:50,168 --> 00:39:51,988 It's not. We get there. 621 00:39:52,428 --> 00:39:54,548 And then, maybe AI can take us there. 622 00:39:54,848 --> 00:39:56,408 And then this planet 623 00:39:56,408 --> 00:39:58,748 specifically, they say 624 00:39:58,748 --> 00:40:00,768 it's a rocky world. It's larger than 625 00:40:00,768 --> 00:40:02,808 Earth. What do you think about that? You think this is fake news? 626 00:40:04,088 --> 00:40:04,828 No, I think 627 00:40:04,828 --> 00:40:06,748 there are planets out there. 628 00:40:07,668 --> 00:40:08,528 Look at this, though. 629 00:40:08,528 --> 00:40:13,388 can't zoom in further than this though how do they get the pictures though that's what i'm trying to 630 00:40:13,388 --> 00:40:18,208 figure out these are just like computer simulated i think they have some satellites that are pretty 631 00:40:18,208 --> 00:40:23,128 far away that have pretty good cameras on them but i think you know to a large extent these are 632 00:40:23,128 --> 00:40:29,368 yeah to a large extent i think these are simulated versions of what they imagine given the gas 633 00:40:29,368 --> 00:40:36,768 composition and other information that they can determine about if uh if you found out the earth is 634 00:40:36,768 --> 00:40:44,768 dying tomorrow not not saying dying tomorrow but it's it's gonna die maybe our son's dying 635 00:40:44,768 --> 00:40:50,868 or something like that and the only way we can build an elon musk magically makes a 636 00:40:50,868 --> 00:40:56,808 proxima centauri rocket we can get there in four years let's just say let's just hypothetically 637 00:40:56,808 --> 00:41:02,088 say or actually he can get there in beautiful yeah he gets he gets he gets ftl right or whatever 638 00:41:02,088 --> 00:41:02,748 Who knows? 639 00:41:03,908 --> 00:41:06,848 And the only option we have is this planet right here. 640 00:41:07,588 --> 00:41:08,288 Would you go? 641 00:41:10,008 --> 00:41:12,108 Or would you say, nah, take me home, baby. 642 00:41:12,568 --> 00:41:13,368 I'm staying on Earth. 643 00:41:13,368 --> 00:41:14,868 Well, I mean, if we have, I don't know, 644 00:41:14,908 --> 00:41:17,628 why would I have to go there if we have a faster-than-light travel? 645 00:41:17,628 --> 00:41:18,488 No, this is the only one. 646 00:41:18,668 --> 00:41:19,628 This is a one-way trip. 647 00:41:19,908 --> 00:41:21,608 He's only saying, get on board. 648 00:41:21,828 --> 00:41:23,608 Because, you know, Elon, it's his rocket, bro. 649 00:41:23,768 --> 00:41:25,748 He's like, I'm only going to this place. 650 00:41:25,748 --> 00:41:35,828 um if i've confirmed that the earth will be dying then i would consider it you would get on it 651 00:41:35,828 --> 00:41:43,028 i said what i said but yeah i think wow you heard it here first breaking news 652 00:41:43,028 --> 00:41:47,848 kion going to this is a great time to unsubscribe 653 00:41:47,848 --> 00:41:53,668 i just think it's i just think it's hilarious that you actually go 654 00:41:53,668 --> 00:41:55,648 I would stay on Earth and... 655 00:41:55,648 --> 00:41:56,488 Yeah, die. Okay. 656 00:41:56,688 --> 00:41:57,688 Yeah, let's do it. 657 00:41:57,768 --> 00:41:58,388 Well, congrats. 658 00:41:59,428 --> 00:42:02,488 I wouldn't do it because imagine when you actually go across. 659 00:42:02,568 --> 00:42:02,988 Who's back? 660 00:42:03,368 --> 00:42:05,148 Imagine when you go across in the... 661 00:42:05,148 --> 00:42:05,948 Probably a number one. 662 00:42:06,068 --> 00:42:06,848 Remember when... 663 00:42:06,848 --> 00:42:08,508 Shut up. That's so rude. 664 00:42:08,808 --> 00:42:10,988 Imagine when you go across the space. 665 00:42:11,328 --> 00:42:13,488 Like, what if you don't get there? 666 00:42:13,548 --> 00:42:16,488 Then you're just stuck and you die on a spaceship. 667 00:42:16,788 --> 00:42:17,908 That's what I'm afraid of. 668 00:42:18,448 --> 00:42:19,388 You don't want to die on a spaceship. 669 00:42:20,648 --> 00:42:21,668 Oh, but you're going to die. 670 00:42:21,668 --> 00:42:22,708 With no air? 671 00:42:22,868 --> 00:42:23,608 You can imagine that? 672 00:42:23,668 --> 00:42:29,388 you're not no but they'll have good like uh systems for that oh man hopefully it's better 673 00:42:29,388 --> 00:42:33,568 you're you're you have definite you're definitely dying on earth is what you said like that's yeah 674 00:42:33,568 --> 00:42:38,448 i'd rather i'd rather take my chances on earth definitely die yeah definitely not taking a chance 675 00:42:38,448 --> 00:42:46,428 that is dying then getting on the ship and then actually not actually making it all the way there 676 00:42:46,428 --> 00:42:49,588 yeah but there's some possibility that i do make it all the way i don't know have you seen have you 677 00:42:49,588 --> 00:42:51,868 Have you seen the movies where they don't make it there? 678 00:42:52,488 --> 00:42:53,608 There's a lot of those movies. 679 00:42:53,808 --> 00:42:53,868 I know. 680 00:42:54,108 --> 00:42:54,348 I know. 681 00:42:54,388 --> 00:43:05,772 And then what if you get there and there like aliens and they just eat you up That would be great There so many Anyways just thought that was funny funny And that all the stories I got I think that all the stories 682 00:43:06,312 --> 00:43:07,572 Yeah, went through it pretty quickly. 683 00:43:07,972 --> 00:43:08,272 Wow. 684 00:43:08,672 --> 00:43:10,092 We're going to jump into meta right now. 685 00:43:12,252 --> 00:43:13,552 12,000 items posted. 686 00:43:13,692 --> 00:43:14,232 This is from Ketford. 687 00:43:15,072 --> 00:43:15,872 Congratulations, Ketford. 688 00:43:17,532 --> 00:43:21,052 He listed all his all-time top items, 689 00:43:21,252 --> 00:43:23,472 and then he listed his top this year so far, 690 00:43:23,472 --> 00:43:25,392 and then he listed his top sets. 691 00:43:25,732 --> 00:43:34,632 what do you think yeah it's 2 000 posts i subscribe to keppard i like keppard he's uh 692 00:43:34,632 --> 00:43:40,852 he always posts some interesting posts it's one of my favorite snackers i remember this one 693 00:43:40,852 --> 00:43:46,532 this is one we covered on the show the conspiracy one oh yeah people really like that one the 694 00:43:46,532 --> 00:43:51,792 fallacy of store value made of exchange i remember that one yeah and then bitcoin is slow oh i guess 695 00:43:51,792 --> 00:43:58,852 you missed up on that one. Yeah. Pretty cool stuff. Anyways, and then the other meta that we 696 00:43:58,852 --> 00:44:04,192 had was research in public. What is this, Guillaume? Oh, yeah. So SimpleStacker submitted their 697 00:44:04,192 --> 00:44:14,572 abstract for the study that they did on Stacker News that will hopefully appear in a Bitcoin 698 00:44:14,572 --> 00:44:21,472 journal from the Bitcoin Research Institute, I believe, at University of Wyoming. And hopefully 699 00:44:21,472 --> 00:44:24,692 they'll get SimpleStacker out there to talk about it. 700 00:44:25,072 --> 00:44:28,032 But I just wanted to share that that might happen. 701 00:44:28,512 --> 00:44:29,952 We already got a response from them. 702 00:44:32,132 --> 00:44:36,212 Mostly just telling us they got a lot more papers submitted 703 00:44:36,212 --> 00:44:38,632 than they anticipated. 704 00:44:38,632 --> 00:44:43,232 But hoping, yeah, hoping we get accepted 705 00:44:43,232 --> 00:44:48,312 and we can get some more researchers interested 706 00:44:48,312 --> 00:44:50,092 in our weirdness. 707 00:44:51,472 --> 00:44:56,492 crypto sensei says reading your abstract makes me feel so smart 708 00:44:56,492 --> 00:45:01,792 undisciplined said it's going to be really cool seeing saganese research actually be presented 709 00:45:01,792 --> 00:45:05,992 and published i bet this will pique the interest of a few normal economists and get them to check 710 00:45:05,992 --> 00:45:10,632 out us yeah because i discipline is an economist right it is kind of interesting if you really 711 00:45:10,632 --> 00:45:17,092 think about it i never saw it like that but i guess they would be fascinated with that right 712 00:45:17,092 --> 00:45:28,212 yeah i mean it's their stacker news is a micro economy so yeah interesting well keep keep us in 713 00:45:28,212 --> 00:45:35,792 the loop simple stacker um and i think that's everything this oh yeah we got one more from 714 00:45:35,792 --> 00:45:41,852 plot poet she said a stacker news zine as a christmas gift howdy stackers and a happy holidays 715 00:45:41,852 --> 00:45:48,352 this is uh what's the skeleton's name sammy sammy the skeleton i thought you guys were close 716 00:45:48,352 --> 00:45:54,092 anymore no you took him away from me um but yeah it looks like we have the 717 00:45:54,092 --> 00:45:59,772 zine right there and uh you can get it for your christmas gift 718 00:45:59,772 --> 00:46:05,872 and she's finishing the last page right now she just said she's finishing her this week's zine 719 00:46:05,872 --> 00:46:06,732 right now. 720 00:46:07,512 --> 00:46:08,652 But if you want 721 00:46:08,652 --> 00:46:11,752 to get zines for the new year, 722 00:46:11,992 --> 00:46:12,892 sign up for the whole year. 723 00:46:14,792 --> 00:46:15,652 No, that's it. 724 00:46:15,772 --> 00:46:17,312 You get the full back catalog. 725 00:46:17,612 --> 00:46:19,332 You get the full back catalog of zines 726 00:46:19,332 --> 00:46:21,092 for Christmas. Boom. 727 00:46:22,252 --> 00:46:22,752 Right there. 728 00:46:23,632 --> 00:46:25,072 And you get that free skeleton too. 729 00:46:26,152 --> 00:46:27,032 You don't get the skeleton. 730 00:46:27,672 --> 00:46:29,992 As far as I know, Sammy is not for sale. 731 00:46:30,392 --> 00:46:32,012 Sammy is for sale. You get the free skeleton. 732 00:46:32,892 --> 00:46:33,652 There we go. 733 00:46:34,152 --> 00:46:35,552 And yeah, there you go. 734 00:46:35,872 --> 00:46:37,432 A lot of comments. 735 00:46:39,412 --> 00:46:40,632 Yeah, we had... 736 00:46:40,632 --> 00:46:42,392 Somebody came in. 737 00:46:43,912 --> 00:46:46,152 Who came in and was looking at the zine the other day? 738 00:46:46,212 --> 00:46:47,032 I forget who it was. 739 00:46:47,632 --> 00:46:48,212 Somebody was. 740 00:46:49,872 --> 00:46:50,352 Anyway. 741 00:46:50,972 --> 00:46:51,992 But yeah, get your zines. 742 00:46:52,572 --> 00:46:54,352 They're available now. 743 00:46:55,012 --> 00:46:56,252 Get them before it gets Christmas time. 744 00:46:57,412 --> 00:46:59,352 And I think that's all we got. 745 00:47:00,392 --> 00:47:01,452 I think that's everything. 746 00:47:02,592 --> 00:47:02,772 Yeah. 747 00:47:03,712 --> 00:47:04,552 We got YouTube comments. 748 00:47:04,552 --> 00:47:05,372 Keanu, are you ready for this? 749 00:47:05,872 --> 00:47:08,472 Oh, I haven't checked in on them in a while. 750 00:47:08,852 --> 00:47:10,592 This one says we should also never forget. 751 00:47:11,692 --> 00:47:12,612 Whatever that means. 752 00:47:13,092 --> 00:47:15,052 Nexus is the hardware from the last two decades. 753 00:47:16,632 --> 00:47:18,612 And then somebody said, 754 00:47:18,712 --> 00:47:20,672 thank God so incredible has picked up on something. 755 00:47:21,232 --> 00:47:22,812 I've been shouting for quite some time, 756 00:47:22,872 --> 00:47:25,172 given the fact that quantum computing is highly speculative. 757 00:47:25,792 --> 00:47:27,692 It makes your sense to make a headlong rush 758 00:47:27,692 --> 00:47:30,312 to switch away from ciphers with a proven track record. 759 00:47:31,032 --> 00:47:33,172 It rightfully should be highly scrutinized and resisted. 760 00:47:33,172 --> 00:47:39,932 a lot of people were loving that post should mention he's not talking to like we aren't the 761 00:47:39,932 --> 00:47:45,512 credible people it's the guy sure i felt like he was talking about this we were covering yeah 762 00:47:45,512 --> 00:47:52,952 i know just in case anyone's confused and then you get the found comments from blockchain books 763 00:47:52,952 --> 00:47:59,052 at zap he said i tried ellen mill it didn't work and stole my sense oh no so there you go heard it 764 00:47:59,052 --> 00:48:01,012 here first. BlockchainBoox tested it. EllenMail 765 00:48:01,012 --> 00:48:02,852 and it's a scam. Don't use it. 766 00:48:02,992 --> 00:48:05,052 Oh, it might not be a scam. I might just have a book. He just said it right 767 00:48:05,052 --> 00:48:06,992 there. It's a scam. He didn't say it was a scam. 768 00:48:07,072 --> 00:48:08,172 He said stole his stats. 769 00:48:08,812 --> 00:48:09,712 Sounds like a scam to me. 770 00:48:11,052 --> 00:48:13,032 Okay, well, maybe. Keyon says it's not a 771 00:48:13,032 --> 00:48:13,452 scam, so. 772 00:48:14,832 --> 00:48:16,912 I just said it might not be a scam. It might not be a scam. 773 00:48:16,912 --> 00:48:18,592 It's like if there's a middle state. 774 00:48:18,932 --> 00:48:20,352 BlockchainBoox erased that comment. 775 00:48:22,752 --> 00:48:23,952 It's probably not working. 776 00:48:25,052 --> 00:48:26,712 GrayRuby said, check out 777 00:48:26,712 --> 00:48:28,732 the podcast. And then Undersplint said, 778 00:48:28,732 --> 00:48:33,752 bring it on guys stacker sports has all the numbers whoa buddy take it easy there 779 00:48:33,752 --> 00:48:41,232 take it easy take it easy take it easy on this one we have 200 of these take it easy how many 780 00:48:41,232 --> 00:48:46,112 you got you guys probably have less than 100 are you starting beef with the stacker sports team 781 00:48:46,112 --> 00:48:52,952 i don't know well i mean i thought he was asking for it no he's he's joking that's the reality 782 00:48:52,952 --> 00:48:57,692 no i think uh i think they're actually it's kind of interesting because if you look at the fountain 783 00:48:57,692 --> 00:48:59,432 charts you always see 784 00:48:59,432 --> 00:49:00,912 Snacker News Live above them 785 00:49:00,912 --> 00:49:03,272 so I mean it kind of 786 00:49:03,272 --> 00:49:05,552 speaks for itself. Maybe we'll convince 787 00:49:05,552 --> 00:49:07,572 more people to unsubscribe. Maybe we 788 00:49:07,572 --> 00:49:09,552 get more people to unsubscribe and then you see Snacker 789 00:49:09,552 --> 00:49:11,552 Sports underneath us 790 00:49:11,552 --> 00:49:13,132 so that's all I'm saying 791 00:49:13,132 --> 00:49:15,332 but it's not a game. It's not like a competition 792 00:49:15,332 --> 00:49:17,312 It's not 793 00:49:17,312 --> 00:49:19,632 Yeah but these are sports guys so everything's a competition 794 00:49:19,632 --> 00:49:20,852 For them 795 00:49:20,852 --> 00:49:22,732 but Bitcoin's not a competition 796 00:49:22,732 --> 00:49:25,072 It's like a game of golf 797 00:49:25,072 --> 00:49:27,572 But golf is 798 00:49:27,572 --> 00:49:28,692 That's not. 799 00:49:29,292 --> 00:49:30,452 I mean, there's a scoreboard. 800 00:49:31,412 --> 00:49:33,112 It's like whoever has the most Bitcoin wins, 801 00:49:33,432 --> 00:49:34,932 but it's not a competition. 802 00:49:36,012 --> 00:49:36,392 It's like golf. 803 00:49:36,532 --> 00:49:37,712 Winning and there's a competition. 804 00:49:38,012 --> 00:49:38,772 It's like golf. 805 00:49:41,292 --> 00:49:42,672 Well, you should. 806 00:49:43,232 --> 00:49:44,832 Another great time to unsubscribe. 807 00:49:47,152 --> 00:49:49,692 Anyways, I would say check out Stagger Sports. 808 00:49:50,592 --> 00:49:51,492 It's a good podcast. 809 00:49:51,492 --> 00:49:54,232 I was watching the 810 00:49:54,232 --> 00:49:55,752 the 811 00:49:55,752 --> 00:49:58,512 the Cowboys last night 812 00:49:58,512 --> 00:50:00,232 sucked dude 813 00:50:00,232 --> 00:50:01,912 terrible 814 00:50:01,912 --> 00:50:04,592 well they won three in a row 815 00:50:04,592 --> 00:50:06,432 and they got me back watching them as soon as I started 816 00:50:06,432 --> 00:50:08,572 watching them they lost so now I'm not 817 00:50:08,572 --> 00:50:10,532 going to watch them anymore wow one loss and you're 818 00:50:10,532 --> 00:50:12,212 already I'm out now dude 819 00:50:12,212 --> 00:50:13,432 this is what they do every time 820 00:50:13,432 --> 00:50:15,312 so disappointing 821 00:50:15,312 --> 00:50:18,252 but yeah check out soccer sports 822 00:50:18,252 --> 00:50:18,712 they have 823 00:50:18,712 --> 00:50:21,232 they do have all the numbers 824 00:50:21,232 --> 00:50:29,792 just not youtube numbers that's it they're not on youtube they even on they even do video 825 00:50:29,792 --> 00:50:33,572 no i don't think so i think they're still audio only but it's because they're 826 00:50:34,292 --> 00:50:40,552 they're hardcore we're not hardcore can we're ready for the women's restroom how hardcore can 827 00:50:40,552 --> 00:50:45,872 that be it's pretty hardcore and not a lot of especially when somebody keeps calling it out 828 00:50:45,872 --> 00:50:48,292 would risk standing in front of a one-to-restre. 829 00:50:49,132 --> 00:50:50,792 Some of them look kind of uncomfortable. 830 00:50:51,472 --> 00:50:53,792 I think that's pretty much it. 831 00:50:53,812 --> 00:50:55,652 Let's jump into the top cowboys. 832 00:50:55,732 --> 00:50:56,292 Do you have your hat? 833 00:50:56,572 --> 00:50:56,952 Yeah, you do. 834 00:50:56,972 --> 00:50:57,352 Oh, yeah. 835 00:50:57,752 --> 00:50:59,272 Top cowboys this week. 836 00:51:00,392 --> 00:51:04,452 Yeah, I'm just so tired. 837 00:51:04,592 --> 00:51:05,192 Sorry, Stacker. 838 00:51:05,312 --> 00:51:07,752 I'm just not, don't have the energy for the show today. 839 00:51:09,112 --> 00:51:12,912 This is car on low power mode. 840 00:51:14,252 --> 00:51:15,432 Remember you were asking me, you're like, 841 00:51:15,432 --> 00:51:20,832 oh you always have high energy i'm like nope slow power you did one time you were like how do you 842 00:51:20,832 --> 00:51:28,532 have so much energy for the show because i would start to go and i'm like yeah this week i know 843 00:51:28,532 --> 00:51:37,292 um all right what do we got here we got a yeah it looks like cube number two it hasn't changed 844 00:51:37,292 --> 00:51:41,752 much looks like it looks like cube has the numbers on this one at this point oh yeah there you go 845 00:51:41,752 --> 00:51:44,512 but blockchain booze coming for you. 846 00:51:45,512 --> 00:51:48,232 I feel like Undiscipline is going to eventually just own Stacker News. 847 00:51:48,312 --> 00:51:48,812 Look at this. 848 00:51:49,592 --> 00:51:50,412 He's right up there. 849 00:51:50,452 --> 00:51:51,432 I mean, he's right up there. 850 00:51:51,812 --> 00:51:54,292 Okay, so Undiscipline is right up there on the Cowboys. 851 00:51:55,512 --> 00:51:57,772 Stacker Sports Pod is better than our pod. 852 00:51:59,052 --> 00:52:01,292 Stacker Sports territory is better than the Bitcoin territory. 853 00:52:02,332 --> 00:52:03,212 He's coming for you, Coop. 854 00:52:06,772 --> 00:52:07,652 Well, be careful. 855 00:52:08,672 --> 00:52:09,352 I'll be careful. 856 00:52:10,672 --> 00:52:11,332 It's coming. 857 00:52:11,752 --> 00:52:14,692 uh the rest even great ruby look he's right after he's number five 858 00:52:14,692 --> 00:52:26,212 gosh another good time to unsubscribe but uh but most of this list hasn't changed it looks like 859 00:52:26,212 --> 00:52:32,372 it looks like uh the standings are optimism came up pretty consistent optimism i think has been up 860 00:52:32,372 --> 00:52:39,232 there for a bit scores became up too maybe people fell out what is score 186 days did he get a hat 861 00:52:39,232 --> 00:52:44,312 i don't you know you have to it's a year is when you call off and i'm not sure we're doing another 862 00:52:44,312 --> 00:52:50,332 round of them i think it's just what uh you know wait did we are satoshi get ahead we also 863 00:52:50,332 --> 00:52:57,172 satoshi qualifies for a hat did we get a hat yep but we got a hat did you get a hat oh you got a 864 00:52:57,172 --> 00:53:03,992 hat so scores he's not getting a hat i don't know we haven't decided yet what happens for future 865 00:53:03,992 --> 00:53:05,632 yearly. 866 00:53:06,152 --> 00:53:07,352 People can make it a year. 867 00:53:07,672 --> 00:53:09,372 I think she would like to. 868 00:53:10,992 --> 00:53:13,392 I'm not making the hat, so I don't want to decide for the person. 869 00:53:13,392 --> 00:53:15,572 Oh, that's right, because Scores made the hats right. 870 00:53:17,172 --> 00:53:17,512 I forgot. 871 00:53:18,112 --> 00:53:18,412 Cool. 872 00:53:20,632 --> 00:53:21,292 We got 873 00:53:21,292 --> 00:53:23,192 Womble? 874 00:53:23,672 --> 00:53:24,072 Gepard? 875 00:53:25,432 --> 00:53:27,652 Socks? What is Socks working on these days? 876 00:53:28,952 --> 00:53:29,612 Socks is 877 00:53:29,612 --> 00:53:31,692 still working on the new version of the 878 00:53:31,692 --> 00:53:33,232 editor. Oh, really? 879 00:53:33,232 --> 00:53:35,412 We'd broken apart. 880 00:53:36,152 --> 00:53:41,132 He produced a finished editor that did the rich text stuff 881 00:53:41,132 --> 00:53:42,292 where you wouldn't have to use Markdown. 882 00:53:43,692 --> 00:53:48,292 But there were subtle bugs that had us go and look back 883 00:53:48,292 --> 00:53:52,012 at the way it was, like the foundational components of it 884 00:53:52,012 --> 00:53:55,792 and revisit those and re-engineer those to be such 885 00:53:55,792 --> 00:53:58,992 that they wouldn't be producing bugs as consistently. 886 00:53:59,512 --> 00:54:01,472 So that's what we're kind of doing right now 887 00:54:01,472 --> 00:54:04,012 because we don't want to ship something new 888 00:54:04,012 --> 00:54:08,032 that then we have to repair and prod this way. 889 00:54:08,212 --> 00:54:10,272 It's better just to ship it the right way the first time, 890 00:54:10,352 --> 00:54:11,172 so that's what we're going to do. 891 00:54:11,712 --> 00:54:13,332 Got Pleb Poet number 29. 892 00:54:14,612 --> 00:54:16,692 We got Pleb Lab number 34. 893 00:54:18,052 --> 00:54:20,372 Got Crew, Crew 37. 894 00:54:22,372 --> 00:54:24,052 Oh, yeah, we had Oscar 44. 895 00:54:24,212 --> 00:54:24,452 I forgot. 896 00:54:24,652 --> 00:54:25,652 Oscar had a post. 897 00:54:26,452 --> 00:54:27,552 I should cover that. 898 00:54:29,012 --> 00:54:30,032 I forgot about this. 899 00:54:30,032 --> 00:54:38,232 he made um he made uh he made video he made video on fountain now you can view it in the 900 00:54:38,232 --> 00:54:44,832 in the browser i don't know if you saw it yeah you can he extended the rss spec to have a new tag 901 00:54:44,832 --> 00:54:52,292 yeah and uh i think it's it's pretty it looks pretty generic like uh yeah can do more than just 902 00:54:52,292 --> 00:54:57,972 um more than just video maybe in the future we'll do like augmented reality podcast yeah 903 00:54:57,972 --> 00:55:07,772 um pretty cool but uh this show is on fountain by the way make sure to subscribe on fountain 904 00:55:07,772 --> 00:55:12,252 yeah take a drink of the fountain dude take a drink of the fountain uh the other one was this 905 00:55:12,252 --> 00:55:22,692 we got um telmic telmic's on there 53 schwarz orange friend a lot of new people 906 00:55:22,692 --> 00:55:24,732 there are quite a few new ones 907 00:55:24,732 --> 00:55:25,812 I'm there 78 908 00:55:25,812 --> 00:55:28,532 I'm kind of dropping off because this week's been busy 909 00:55:28,532 --> 00:55:30,972 Lunda real Bitcoin doggy 910 00:55:30,972 --> 00:55:32,212 he still hasn't replaced his hat 911 00:55:32,212 --> 00:55:35,492 his thing what's going on real Bitcoin doggy 912 00:55:35,492 --> 00:55:38,732 he hasn't replaced his profile pic 913 00:55:38,732 --> 00:55:41,492 maybe he's bailing out for good 914 00:55:41,492 --> 00:55:43,052 we'll see 915 00:55:43,052 --> 00:55:44,532 Billy the Kid 916 00:55:44,532 --> 00:55:47,352 there you go 917 00:55:47,352 --> 00:55:48,032 Keon 918 00:55:48,032 --> 00:55:50,212 what are you doing this weekend 919 00:55:50,212 --> 00:55:59,432 um i don't think i have any plans i think i'm probably not gonna do anything i'm thinking 920 00:55:59,432 --> 00:56:05,012 hang out here here's uh i don't know that lady's name but might be a jessica it's like a jessica 921 00:56:05,012 --> 00:56:11,772 to me car doesn't approve so even when he's tired maybe it's just because he's tired but i'll 922 00:56:11,772 --> 00:56:15,772 probably hang out here record ladies coming in and out of the bathroom last weekend how about you 923 00:56:15,772 --> 00:56:22,032 car definitely not doing that um we have a lot of we have a lot of stuff coming in so i have to set 924 00:56:22,032 --> 00:56:27,232 up the networking cage that we have then i'm probably gonna get curtains now because you just 925 00:56:27,232 --> 00:56:31,792 made it super awkward so now i'm gonna get curtains so i'm gonna do that this weekend 926 00:56:31,792 --> 00:56:38,972 get some measuring tape and figure out how to get curtains um and then brackets for shades here 927 00:56:38,972 --> 00:56:43,432 yeah figure that out no i'm not gonna do that i'm gonna do like big curtains across the top 928 00:56:43,432 --> 00:56:46,172 And then, what else? 929 00:56:47,252 --> 00:56:50,112 Yeah, they're going to have some other stuff to move around and stuff. 930 00:56:50,532 --> 00:56:53,092 But, yeah, do that and have some work to get done. 931 00:56:53,732 --> 00:56:55,372 Next week's going to be even more busier. 932 00:56:56,352 --> 00:56:59,112 Got a lot of stuff to line up before the end of the week. 933 00:56:59,672 --> 00:57:01,152 Or before the end of the year, I should say. 934 00:57:01,272 --> 00:57:01,772 Oh, yeah. 935 00:57:02,612 --> 00:57:03,292 Lining up. 936 00:57:03,612 --> 00:57:03,952 Yeah. 937 00:57:04,112 --> 00:57:04,972 Takes a lot of effort. 938 00:57:06,352 --> 00:57:06,612 Yeah. 939 00:57:06,952 --> 00:57:07,772 Line them up. 940 00:57:09,372 --> 00:57:10,052 Sounds good. 941 00:57:11,212 --> 00:57:12,332 That sounds exciting. 942 00:57:13,432 --> 00:57:14,492 Yeah, should be good. 943 00:57:16,172 --> 00:57:16,532 Cool. 944 00:57:17,932 --> 00:57:18,612 Key on.