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Here's Carmen with the other key on key on.
Happy birthday.
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It's been a long life.
It's good to celebrate all the years since my birth.
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I'm also surprised to learn today is my birthday.
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Yeah, we got an interesting show today.
It's going to be hopefully a quick one.
but um hopefully setting us up for success tired dude i'm ready to go home
no it's it's the we're working it's my working working my ass off this week we are like baking
in here at 1200 parts per million that's what you guys were saying so we need to figure that out so
that way we it's basically like we're in a space shuttle basically and uh we're dying like apollo
13, right?
Was it Paul 13?
Are you Tom Hanks or am I Tom Hanks?
I don't want to be Tom Hanks.
I don't think you're right.
I want to be the other guy.
The one.
Kevin Bacon.
I don't think they have Mexican astronauts.
They do.
They do have Mexican astronauts.
We have one.
He was one.
They made a whole movie about him.
Oh, yeah.
What was his name?
I don't know his name.
He's a Mexican.
That's all I know.
Anyways.
I see.
But, yeah, it's kind of.
the female women's restroom right there so keep an eye out oh man this started off great
how was your week it was great i had a burrito did you really yeah it's great being by chipotle
right because i feel like i like chipotle three times this week it's partied it up in the lab
dude it's great yeah it depends on what you get but it is like it is very convenient as far as
fast food goes yeah chipotle is pretty good it's pretty good we're also next to the italian
restaurant again yeah it's good to be back there and now that peterry stopped sponsoring us we got
let me sponsor that'll be chipotle fuck peterry they suck anyway i never liked that one that
would taste like garbage it's like trash it's the trash the worst peterry's well it's like buy a
bunch of trash i'm gonna miss jimmy john's though that was jimmy john's so good jimmy john's they
have good tuna there they had a great sign out front yeah i had free smells but it's it's good
it be next to a convenience store like literally right next to a convenience store that's cool
yeah the guys are fun in there i'm trying to convince him to buy tacos because i i told him
the other day i was like where are the tacos and he's like oh i don't have any tacos so i'm trying
to have tacos in the morning yeah he did right he did have very early so i i keep every morning
every morning when i go in there i'm like when are you gonna get tacos when you get tacos
trying to go to him to buy tacos maybe he'll do it again or maybe it was the other guy who brought
in the tacos i think he had a guy that would come in there and like put tacos yeah yeah yeah but i
haven't seen the remember the old guy that used to work or the other guy that used to work now he
says it's just him i think the recession and stuff or whatever we're in yeah okay succession
recession 24 hour store so hopefully he has help and he's not is it really a 24 hour store
isn't it it's an anasmar
20 like 20 open all
day all night i wonder who anna was
you think it was
his wife
or his daughter i think he might have like bought
it from some lady and just named
it anna yeah like in the 90s some
like hippie owned it just
call it like anna
anna smith yeah maybe
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no one cares about Texas
look at that
it only had two people watched it
I think it just had
it was just about Texas
probably got a lot of views
he's a great governor
I have to say
I love Governor Abbott
he's a really good guy
a lot of people hate him though
I don't know anything about him
other than he looks like a wax figurine
no it's because we threw the AI filter on him
oh
I think
but in most
in most situations I've seen him
he looks like a wax human
which might be a good one
He's in a wheelchair.
He's like Professor X.
He's mobile, but he's mobile via wheelchair.
He's in a wheelchair, and he's a real person who moves around.
Apparently that happened in college or something.
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There's like a whole story behind it.
Anyways, maybe we'll cover it one day.
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yeah we need to be able to talk about how governor abbott was a wax wax figure he escaped a wax
museum during college anyways we're going to jump into the number three top story this week on
stacker.news recursion rescuing inactive channel funds and zeus and blix wallets
eyelids 27 three cents 12 comments natalia bitcoin territory keo what's this yeah it looks like
Natalia had an old phone that she used to run, I think, Blix on, maybe also Zeus. That I was a bit
hard to follow, but she let those channels go inactive and then just never recovered them.
And so those are sats waiting to be claimed. And it occurred to her that she had old channels on
that phone and went to go maybe claim the sats on them, but failed to do so because they had been
inactive for so long.
So she tried to do it using all of the ways that Zeus enumerated in their FAQ,
but none of them seemed to work.
So she went back and read one of her old articles about Chan tools
and then found that Zeus's wallet had Chan tools in it,
like built into the mobile wallet.
So what are those channel tools?
Is that what you're saying?
Yeah.
Lightning channel tools.
It's kind of like you break the glass during an emergency type of thing.
It's a pretty...
Do all wallets have that or no?
I don't know if all wallets.
No, I would imagine most Lightning wallets do not have Chan tools,
but most of them, a lot of the newer Lightning wallets at least,
are the ones that are less powerful or more like UX focused.
They do not allow you to run a node on your phone
where you are managing channels.
and instead they kind of do the channel management for you so that wouldn't be available although i
don't know what happens in the case where you're you have like a really old um phoenix wallet or
something i don't know what you would do because you you probably don't have chan tools um that
might be a subject of a future post but anyway she was able to reclaim those funds by going using
channel tools in zeus wallet and uh yeah it was a successful recovery of those funds
um her channel partner was very courteous and did not force close those channels on her um
and yeah or try to i guess try to rob her knowing that she's inactive it was cool because uh at the
same time the uh i believe it was neat creations had a similar issue um that he was dealing with
and um and natalia went in there and said go read my post that i just posted so it was perfect
timing i guess everybody was having this issue around the same time yeah might have been just
the time of year or whatever i mean a year's gone by bitcoin's price is i don't know quintupled
and you have you had maybe you had a few sats on on an old phone and why not get those sats
sweeping wallets by a burrito limited cold storage uh makes sense um let's jump into the
next top story number two top story this week is i finally found a tenant who will pay me in bitcoin
this is from siggy 4766 comments 2 171 sats key what's this yeah so siggy uh is a landlord i guess
of something and oh no it's a mobile trailer so they have a he has a trailer that he rents out
um and i guess for a long time he's tried to get tenants to pay him bitcoin but he successfully
he finally got one to do it because they had cash app and um he was able to convince them to use it
to pay him a bitcoin by offering them a discount if they did it so while there he didn't have to
orange pill him to get him to do it he did he got him to like select the bitcoin option
in his cash app when he is paying his rent to siggy um and so he's now accepting or he's
now receiving bitcoin and doesn't have to do the conversion himself um uh for his rental
cool stuff congrats to siggy which is cool i know there's a there's another stacker who wrote a lot
about trying to get his tenants to pay with Bitcoin.
And he had the commoner, I think it was,
where he had a lot of posts about various schemes
that he would employ for his tenants
to try to orange pill them.
I think one of them was that he would,
I think it was like if they paid in Bitcoin,
he would store some of it for them.
And it wasn't a discount.
He would store some of it for them.
and then like with like a year later he would allow them he would give them access to the bitcoin
if they wanted it or whatever but he was like effectively like saving it for them to show them
how much how much how much value it can accrue so yeah cool the number one story this week is the
true and accurate history of toxic bitcoin maximal this is from scoresby 34 comments
5,736 commons or sats.
Yeah, what's this?
Yeah, so Scoresby walks us through the history
of this comment,
one of the more commonly used terms
to describe a certain kind of Bitcoiner.
I think most Bitcoiners would,
most people we would call Bitcoiners
would probably call themselves maximalists.
And then like some subset of that
would be toxic maximalists.
But Scoresby goes through
and tries to uncover the origin
of toxic Bitcoin maximalists.
And it seems most people had it roughly correct
in that it originated with Vitalik.
DarthCoin in the comments thinks that
Porcia Merceau might actually have used the term earlier,
but I don't think we were able to find
anything corroborating that.
But yeah, the term was really, I guess, reappropriated by Bitcoiners in 2017, 2018 is when we started kind of being proud to be called a Bitcoin maximalist and then also a toxic Bitcoin maximalist.
which more or less means that we think that there is really no much value in the rest of the crypto ecosystem.
It kind of all accrues to Bitcoin.
And Bitcoin has such a runaway network effect that it's unlikely that another coin would catch up
and mostly everything else is a scam.
But Vitalik used that to kind of insult Bitcoiners for being kind of narrow-minded.
and then i guess the first instance of bitcoiners flipping it around or one of the early ones was
this um i think what it's what is it called breaking bitcoin conference uh in 2019 um
kyle torpe made a shirt a toxic maximalism shirt and then we were running away and then i also uh
Zucco Giacomo Zucco gave a talk about toxic Bitcoin maximalism
and sort of began to further kind of define what it meant
and identify himself with it.
But all of it traces back ultimately to Vitalik's,
I think it was a 2014, November 2014 post,
not using the word toxic, but saying Bitcoin, calling Bitcoiners Bitcoin maximalists. And this
was around the time, I guess he was probably cooking up Ethereum. And then I think the first
instance, the first instance that scores we could come up with where toxic was associated with Bitcoin
maximalists was this tweet from Kevin Pham, who I believe went on to be, well, he was like,
did he go to jail
I think he was a bit
a BSV person
yeah
or that's what it was
I think he was
one of those things I think he transitioned he went full BSV I think yeah yeah he did I think he was a big blocker and then but he was he was like a big part of Bitcoin Twitter I think he transitioned He went full BSV I think Yeah he did I think he was a big blocker But he was like a big part of Bitcoin Twitter I think in the early days
Or at least around this period of time.
And yeah, so that is like ultimately it's most,
I think it's fair to attribute it to Vitalik, Bitcoin maximalism.
The toxic term seems to have been added on at some point.
And there's possible that a lot of this stuff happened offline and there's no record of it online.
So we don't know.
Maybe someone said it earlier at a conference that no one recorded or is hard to find.
But it's probably safe to assume it originated with Vitalik or that's the safest place to assume it came from.
And then at the end, Scoresby ties Bitcoin, or where Vitalik might have got the term maximalism, to Toxic Avengers, which is a cult classic horror movie from the 80s.
That's quite bad.
But so bad it's good.
I guess
yeah
you might want to look into that yourself
but that is the origin
of Bitcoin maximalism
the term toxic Bitcoin maximalism
and here's some
photographs
top comment was from
Simple Snacker said
dude that is some remarkable sleuthing
how did you find out about the toxic avenger connection seems like extremely obscure piece of
lore he said i will refer you to my other memeology scores we did similar histories about
half unstained poor and boating accidents which both have end in obscure lore
then uh darth queen posted the thing that you said about pub skew mercy of or so
yeah pretty much it
Tosh says
squargey once again proving how to write a
banger piece for secreties
and then
C47 says I love this deep dive I need to
go back and read it more carefully when I have time
great work I spent a lot of time on Lop's piece when it came out
Nick Carter had a few
at the time too
yeah
okay
I think that's all the top stories this week
Key on you got anything else you want to say about this
I think I'm okay okay cool
let's jump into where is the
let's jump into Wumble's picks
Wumble's picks
privacy and Bitcoin state of the practice this is Wumble's picks
Wumble is Wumble
and every week he picks a pick and Key on
talks about it because it's Womblespix.
It looks like Satsbridge asked stackers
what they thought of the state of privacy in Bitcoin
and they enumerated a bunch of options in a poll
and Lightning is good enough for privacy
as one of the options and it appears to have won
which stackers will be
in most cases be biased towards Lightning
because a lot of them are Lightning users
but in addition to Lightning here,
he also had CoinJoin, CoinSwaps,
which I guess are part of some new protocol that's coming.
Mimblewimble, softworks in Bitcoin that don't exist.
And then he also gave an option of alt change.
So most of those options,
except CoinJoin and Lightning got picked,
got voted for,
and Lightning is good enough won in our poll here.
But Wombo asks, for a normie, a low-risk individual, someone who maybe doesn't have a, what is it called, a high threat profile or threat level, is lightning good enough for privacy?
Certainly for sending, increasingly for receiving, given that blinded path has become pretty widely adopted among all implementations.
but most likely for the normal person,
they probably have a mobile phone node
and they might be using something like Phoenix,
which has only private channels.
And they're probably, I don't know if Phoenix has done this yet,
but they might be using blinded paths in that case
to pay to the mobile node.
But I would guess it's pretty good.
certainly for certainly for sending you know maybe for receiving depending on what
what their wallet is actually doing and what lightning implementation they're using and how
well configured it is for privacy um and then his second question is any tips for stackers who want
to improve their lightning privacy skills uh yeah so the like anything any specific things here it's
mostly if you have an if you have the option to turn on blinded paths turn them on uh it can
create issues with receiving payments if uh you choose a blinded path to a path that doesn't have
liquidity to your node so that is something to keep in mind is you kind of have to predict the
future of channel liquidity if you're using blinded paths um and then i would say lightning
addresses are are okay but you're most likely if you have a lightning address you have you either
using a third party custodian or you are um you're running a server yourself in which case if you're
running a server yourself you might you'll have dns records and stuff and maybe those aren't so
private uh yeah i think if you if you're really concerned about privacy and you aren't really
sure about blinded paths you can use things like ln proxy to wrap your invoices and hide your um
your receiving pub key um trying to think of other things that might be especially beneficial
there are you can spin up a temporary node if you're like if you're engaged if you're engaging
in commerce over a short period of time sometimes that an on-chain fees are low you can spin up a
node with a with a with a pub key um that you only use for that specific use for that period
of time and then shut that node down that might be another way to really not be have to be too
concerned about receiver privacy because your receiver is like scoped to one specific use case
but there's a lot of good articles out there um a local austonian or austonian or austenite i don't
know what you'd say tonight Tony Giorgio um wrote a pretty great like state of lightning privacy I
think in 2022 21 maybe um and that is still pretty pretty accurate uh except for a blinded pass
but that is those are all of Wombo's questions Wombo's picks we weren't able to cover your other
posts because Keon didn't read it Wombo but um we'll probably do that next week
cool that's Wumble's
picks
Wumble
picks
we're going to jump into the
let's go
let's go Keon let's keep doing Bitcoin let's go Keon's
post the software gets a 51%
attack on Bitcoin Keon do you know that
apparently scores we wrote about it
you got 12,000 stats for it
what is this Keon yeah so this
is the next chapter in
Voskull's crypto
economics and uh like i don't know if that title this is how vosco describes a soft fork
um and one way to view it let's most often what you how you have people describe soft
works is that it is a restricting of rules um so that old nodes that have more lenient
rules will still accept blocks mined under the new stricter set of rules and therefore
it's it's soft because you don't you aren't forced to upgrade to choose um which side you're on uh
you'll stay you'll stay with the new side just by simply not updating um
and uh what else yeah but he but another way to view this is that uh it's quite similar to
a 51 attack where miners are kind of forcing you or are choosing altogether or as a majority to
restrict the rule set um such that new blocks that have or potential new blocks that have that accept
that have a more lenient rule set or are rejected or orphaned they're abandoned by the network
because the 51% of miners will be mining on the more restricted set
and reject any of the more lenient rule set.
Anyway, it's a good post if you are struggling with understanding
the differences between soft forks and hard forks
because it's kind of a new framing for something that, I don't know,
I think kind of has a stale, insufficient definition.
and the reality is quite a bit more dynamic and it's not just,
it's, it's a little, it's,
there's more to say about it than the rules are stricter because miners play a
significant role in the process. And this is maybe a better example.
Merch goes, merch comes in the comments too.
And then elaborates further about what,
like how softworks actually work in practice.
and that usually you have
you want the miners to all signal
that they'll be
mining the soft fork before you
actually go ahead and activate it
because if you don't
you end up in a
chain split
later Ted
because less than 51%
of the hash rate is enforcing the soft fork
that
minority will split
will be mining effectively
on another chain relative to the majority of hash power.
I don't know if we still call that a hard fork in that case.
I think it effectively is a hard fork,
but I guess if the minority chain at some point chooses
to go back to more lenient rules,
yeah, basically their chain tip would become completely orphaned and stale.
and then they'd switch back over.
Anyway, it's a risky situation if you're on a minority,
the minority side of mining on the minority side of a soft fork.
Yep, looks like a lot of comments.
Somebody got outlawed.
Tunji?
I know who that is.
Cool.
the next one that you had was uh announcing lnd version dot 20 yeah yeah beta beta yep uh
yeah so lightning has a new version out i think they it's there's a few things that improve but
it's it's like a lot of it is performance related um so they're moving they're gradually
migrating to a relational data store so they have been they've had so what's a relational data store
It means that data is not stored in a flat way.
It's stored in more of a hierarchical way,
where the relationships between data is properly managed,
such that the data suffers less from becoming inconsistent with other related data.
And then it can also help load performance,
because the indices and stuff are written to disk.
and don't need to be constructed on startup uh which i believe is how it currently works with
bolt db um anyway they're so they're continuing that migration i think they most of the api is
backed by new relational stuff if you start it up that way um and then the rate limits on their
gossip have improved such that i guess there's significant performance improvements in
understanding the channel graph around you.
And then I think you get to choose,
you have more configuration over who you are
receiving blinded invoices through, is my
understanding of that. But, you know, a nice
smattering of improvements, quite a few of them
mostly performance related.
there you go so upgrade or uh it's i would say it's it might be okay you might want to
you know i don't it hasn't been out for more than i think a few days maybe a week but uh
it's always a good idea to keep this stuff only you know at most six months behind where they are
because there will be there will be bugs and many of the money losing bugs
There we go. Cool. The other one that you had, or was that all of them? Yeah, I think that was all of your posts.
Yeah that all the Bitcoin posts that we had today Actually let jump into the AI one The only AI post that we had today was let jump into um the ai one that the only ai post that we had today was the normalization of deviance in ai i don know if you read this one this was a really
fascinating article um this was talking about how the ai industry is repeating the same cultural
failures that contributed to the space shuttle challenger disaster where they're normalizing
warning signs when it comes to LLM outputs.
And it goes down here at the bottom.
They give a really good kind of industry examples
of what's actually going on here.
And so let me just read this out for you.
Three years after ChatGBT shipped,
vendors push NJTIC AI to users,
but at the same time vendors are highlighting
that your system might get compromised by that same AI.
That drift, that normalization is what I call
the normalization of deviance in AI.
And then he goes each one by one.
He talks about how Microsoft's energetic operating system,
Microsoft's documentation warns that prompt injection attacks
can override agent instructions leading to unintended actions.
Then he goes into like Atlas, the new browser.
It's documented by the vendor that the system might make mistakes
when browsing the web.
And then OPI responded with,
we recommend caution using Atlas in context
that require heightened compliance and security controls,
such as regulated confidential production data.
Anthropic Cloud also referenced that their data exfiltration.
This means that Cloud can be tricked into sending information from its contacts,
for example, prompts, projects, data via MCP, Google integration,
some malicious third parties.
To mitigate these risks, we recommend you monitor Cloud.
They go into even Google, anti-gravity, remote code execution.
So all the stuff that you would see from like prompt injection or any type of copy and pasting and stuff like that.
And then he basically goes into like this kind of conclusion that I'll read it.
What he says here, he says, nevertheless, before we drift off into a utopian future with energetic AI, I believe that the best and safest outcome is to stay realistic around capabilities and control mechanisms.
And for AI to remain human led, particularly in high state context, to ensure that the best outcome overall.
Does that mean AI is doomed?
No, of course not.
There's a lot of potential.
Many low-stake workflows can be implemented already today.
Even high-risk workflows can be done with proper threat modeling,
mitigations, and oversight.
It's a lot, but I think it definitely grabs you when you read that.
And it's definitely something that we keep seeing more and more news about
just with the copy and pasting of just developers
and even people like myself who do other work.
Just not really thinking about what you're pasted into an email
or pasting into one application or another inside the web.
Yeah.
What do you think about this stuff?
Yeah, it's certainly a provocative title.
And I don't know if it's normalized.
I don't think people have really accepted these risks
is like they're okay.
I think they're making,
I would guess they're mostly making a calculation
that in many cases that it's worth the risk
to get the value provided by an AI
with the risk that you might be,
you might get, data might get exfiltrated
or something else might happen.
That's how like a lot of people think about security
is they kind of accept that there might be issues
with their kind of lazy approach to something
but are happy being lazy
so long as they get something from it.
It makes them whatever their desires are.
I mean, we kind of seen this already in the 90s.
I mean, I don't know if you remember this,
but like in the 90s and the early 2000s
with like ActiveX and like Flash,
like Steve Jobs used to call out Flash specifically
because it was like an attack vector on operating systems
and ActiveX especially was one on Microsoft systems for sure.
So I feel like we've seen this kind of playbook before.
How they resolved it was just not...
I don't know how they resolved it.
I guess they resolved it by just getting rid of those...
those controllers
or that piece of software
that allowed you to do those things, I guess.
Because Flash ended up just getting
replaced with HTML5 and HPEX.
Yeah, the technologies were replaced
with things that were
thought from the beginning
to be more secure.
So maybe that's kind of
maybe what we can expect from.
Do you think like MCP and stuff like that
will eventually just also
kind of fall away of
because a lot of this i mean a lot of this stuff like even atlas is like supposed to
eventually i mean hypothetically it's supposed to you're supposed to go to the web
i'm supposed to say i want a airbnb and corpus for december and it's supposed to automatically
book everything and it's supposed to handle everything and i'm not and i'm not supposed
to touch anything other than it just does it and stay within a reasonable amount right like
but how do you secure that all the way through with with my passwords with my uh money and with
my uh everything and like how does that handoff happen between those two silos it's a real problem
not a real problem it's a real like it's a real problem that i don't know a problem it's a real
like it's like a gap it's like a gap in the ai space that hasn't been figured out how to cross
and I would even say it's going to be a bridge it's going to have to be like some sort of like
it's almost like it's almost like it's almost like light years away and they're going to have
to figure out like some type of thing that's going to allow them to have like fold a piece
of paper it's like you know what I mean like I feel like it's going to have to be something like
that ginormous as far as the technology that's going to allow people to share all these creds
because at some point you're going to be able to,
you should be able to do this with,
between all these different things, right?
Similar to what we do with our phones.
Yeah, my hope is that eventually all this stuff will,
like you'll have really good systems that just run locally.
So a lot of this stuff becomes a little,
maybe less dangerous in the sense of what you're giving
a company like OpenAI or these model companies.
But you still have an issue of like,
if you have this system that can take arbitrary generic prompts that might be
able to do anything locally on your computer, Hey, look, we have a guy,
we have a visitor.
Then maybe that'll, you know,
maybe that'll result in all kinds of weird things. But I,
I suspect, you know, it's just where this is like sort of at the,
we're at the very early edge of this stuff.
And so I think we need to figure out all the hazards and then people,
producing solutions it almost makes you wonder like is it going to take like decades you think
uh for what for to like solve a security problem with llms yeah uh i'm not sure it'll ever be
solved right because like we don't we haven't solved the security problems with most things
they all have vulnerabilities of some kind uh and require like layers and layers of defenses
it almost feels like bitcoin is the only thing that solves this problem
I don't know how Bitcoin solves that.
I got some ideas.
Okay.
Cool stuff.
Anyway.
Yeah.
Really good.
Really good post.
Yeah.
It looks like FreeTX said,
I don't really disagree with the underlying point,
but have lots of small disagreements otherwise.
Yeah.
And then it goes into his take.
definitely check it out the other one i wanted to bring up was um
a funny one bitcoin chia pet did you see this i shared it so now you can get your own chia pet
it's just so hideous that's the problem they didn't they didn't even get creative with it
it's literally just a circle with i kind of want it though chia on the sides i mean it's is it weird
that i want this i you know like a little yeah i think it's a little weird but i don't understand
where the grass is growing though like is it coming from the because this coin is it's like
a grass sandwich well this coin is not very thick you know coins it is thick though so it has to be
like it's got a thick edge oh you mean it's like a tennis ball behind that yeah oh yeah yeah oh so
it's not flat yeah okay i see what you're saying yeah have you ever had a chia pet before
You can see the side there and that picture on the front,
the little picture where it says...
Oh, right here.
Yeah, look right there because you can see...
Yeah.
Right there it looks like...
It's a couple of knuckles.
Are you going to get one?
Nope.
Oh, I thought you were going to get one.
You should get one so I can watch it grow.
Well, you're the one that wants one, so why don't you get one?
I can just get you to buy one and then I can just watch it.
I can participate.
You can't get me to buy one because I told you.
I mean, you posted it.
you can buy one and i can just watch you have one and then i can see it grow too okay well let's wait
for me to get it which i won't do and then you can just i'll show you where i'm gonna put it
and you can just watch that spot but you went and you would never get this
i wouldn't say never maybe i become like a chia pet collector and i this is what this would be
your first chia pet no have you had a chia pet before i don't think i have really you have a lot
of plants though you seem like a plant guy yeah but this is like not a plant this is like for
someone who has a big interest in plants but then has an interest in something else and they're like
hey this could be it like you might be a plant person wait are you saying that chia pets aren't
real plants uh that's a spicy tip it's like a it's a it's an entry vector into plants for people who
aren't sold on having a plant alone so you're intrigued by a normal plant it's not actual
leaves is what you're saying. I didn't
know that. That's not what I said.
It's a real thing.
It's a real
organism that is growing.
This lady going to the
bathroom. Hey, lady.
Keep calling it out. It's going to be
weird.
The next thing I wanted to bring up was
Proxima Centauri B.
Did you hear about this?
Apparently,
a lady leaving.
Apparently, this is
Proxima Centauri is
four light years from Earth.
This is the star.
It's not too many light years.
It's not. We get there.
And then, maybe AI can take us there.
And then this planet
specifically, they say
it's a rocky world. It's larger than
Earth. What do you think about that? You think this is fake news?
No, I think
there are planets out there.
Look at this, though.
can't zoom in further than this though how do they get the pictures though that's what i'm trying to
figure out these are just like computer simulated i think they have some satellites that are pretty
far away that have pretty good cameras on them but i think you know to a large extent these are
yeah to a large extent i think these are simulated versions of what they imagine given the gas
composition and other information that they can determine about if uh if you found out the earth is
dying tomorrow not not saying dying tomorrow but it's it's gonna die maybe our son's dying
or something like that and the only way we can build an elon musk magically makes a
proxima centauri rocket we can get there in four years let's just say let's just hypothetically
say or actually he can get there in beautiful yeah he gets he gets he gets ftl right or whatever
Who knows?
And the only option we have is this planet right here.
Would you go?
Or would you say, nah, take me home, baby.
I'm staying on Earth.
Well, I mean, if we have, I don't know,
why would I have to go there if we have a faster-than-light travel?
No, this is the only one.
This is a one-way trip.
He's only saying, get on board.
Because, you know, Elon, it's his rocket, bro.
He's like, I'm only going to this place.
um if i've confirmed that the earth will be dying then i would consider it you would get on it
i said what i said but yeah i think wow you heard it here first breaking news
kion going to this is a great time to unsubscribe
i just think it's i just think it's hilarious that you actually go
I would stay on Earth and...
Yeah, die. Okay.
Yeah, let's do it.
Well, congrats.
I wouldn't do it because imagine when you actually go across.
Who's back?
Imagine when you go across in the...
Probably a number one.
Remember when...
Shut up. That's so rude.
Imagine when you go across the space.
Like, what if you don't get there?
Then you're just stuck and you die on a spaceship.
That's what I'm afraid of.
You don't want to die on a spaceship.
Oh, but you're going to die.
With no air?
You can imagine that?
you're not no but they'll have good like uh systems for that oh man hopefully it's better
you're you're you have definite you're definitely dying on earth is what you said like that's yeah
i'd rather i'd rather take my chances on earth definitely die yeah definitely not taking a chance
that is dying then getting on the ship and then actually not actually making it all the way there
yeah but there's some possibility that i do make it all the way i don't know have you seen have you
Have you seen the movies where they don't make it there?
There's a lot of those movies.
I know.
And then what if you get there and there like aliens and they just eat you up That would be great There so many Anyways just thought that was funny funny And that all the stories I got I think that all the stories
Yeah, went through it pretty quickly.
Wow.
We're going to jump into meta right now.
12,000 items posted.
This is from Ketford.
Congratulations, Ketford.
He listed all his all-time top items,
and then he listed his top this year so far,
and then he listed his top sets.
what do you think yeah it's 2 000 posts i subscribe to keppard i like keppard he's uh
he always posts some interesting posts it's one of my favorite snackers i remember this one
this is one we covered on the show the conspiracy one oh yeah people really like that one the
fallacy of store value made of exchange i remember that one yeah and then bitcoin is slow oh i guess
you missed up on that one. Yeah. Pretty cool stuff. Anyways, and then the other meta that we
had was research in public. What is this, Guillaume? Oh, yeah. So SimpleStacker submitted their
abstract for the study that they did on Stacker News that will hopefully appear in a Bitcoin
journal from the Bitcoin Research Institute, I believe, at University of Wyoming. And hopefully
they'll get SimpleStacker out there to talk about it.
But I just wanted to share that that might happen.
We already got a response from them.
Mostly just telling us they got a lot more papers submitted
than they anticipated.
But hoping, yeah, hoping we get accepted
and we can get some more researchers interested
in our weirdness.
crypto sensei says reading your abstract makes me feel so smart
undisciplined said it's going to be really cool seeing saganese research actually be presented
and published i bet this will pique the interest of a few normal economists and get them to check
out us yeah because i discipline is an economist right it is kind of interesting if you really
think about it i never saw it like that but i guess they would be fascinated with that right
yeah i mean it's their stacker news is a micro economy so yeah interesting well keep keep us in
the loop simple stacker um and i think that's everything this oh yeah we got one more from
plot poet she said a stacker news zine as a christmas gift howdy stackers and a happy holidays
this is uh what's the skeleton's name sammy sammy the skeleton i thought you guys were close
anymore no you took him away from me um but yeah it looks like we have the
zine right there and uh you can get it for your christmas gift
and she's finishing the last page right now she just said she's finishing her this week's zine
right now.
But if you want
to get zines for the new year,
sign up for the whole year.
No, that's it.
You get the full back catalog.
You get the full back catalog of zines
for Christmas. Boom.
Right there.
And you get that free skeleton too.
You don't get the skeleton.
As far as I know, Sammy is not for sale.
Sammy is for sale. You get the free skeleton.
There we go.
And yeah, there you go.
A lot of comments.
Yeah, we had...
Somebody came in.
Who came in and was looking at the zine the other day?
I forget who it was.
Somebody was.
Anyway.
But yeah, get your zines.
They're available now.
Get them before it gets Christmas time.
And I think that's all we got.
I think that's everything.
Yeah.
We got YouTube comments.
Keanu, are you ready for this?
Oh, I haven't checked in on them in a while.
This one says we should also never forget.
Whatever that means.
Nexus is the hardware from the last two decades.
And then somebody said,
thank God so incredible has picked up on something.
I've been shouting for quite some time,
given the fact that quantum computing is highly speculative.
It makes your sense to make a headlong rush
to switch away from ciphers with a proven track record.
It rightfully should be highly scrutinized and resisted.
a lot of people were loving that post should mention he's not talking to like we aren't the
credible people it's the guy sure i felt like he was talking about this we were covering yeah
i know just in case anyone's confused and then you get the found comments from blockchain books
at zap he said i tried ellen mill it didn't work and stole my sense oh no so there you go heard it
here first. BlockchainBoox tested it. EllenMail
and it's a scam. Don't use it.
Oh, it might not be a scam. I might just have a book. He just said it right
there. It's a scam. He didn't say it was a scam.
He said stole his stats.
Sounds like a scam to me.
Okay, well, maybe. Keyon says it's not a
scam, so.
I just said it might not be a scam. It might not be a scam.
It's like if there's a middle state.
BlockchainBoox erased that comment.
It's probably not working.
GrayRuby said, check out
the podcast. And then Undersplint said,
bring it on guys stacker sports has all the numbers whoa buddy take it easy there
take it easy take it easy take it easy on this one we have 200 of these take it easy how many
you got you guys probably have less than 100 are you starting beef with the stacker sports team
i don't know well i mean i thought he was asking for it no he's he's joking that's the reality
no i think uh i think they're actually it's kind of interesting because if you look at the fountain
charts you always see
Snacker News Live above them
so I mean it kind of
speaks for itself. Maybe we'll convince
more people to unsubscribe. Maybe we
get more people to unsubscribe and then you see Snacker
Sports underneath us
so that's all I'm saying
but it's not a game. It's not like a competition
It's not
Yeah but these are sports guys so everything's a competition
For them
but Bitcoin's not a competition
It's like a game of golf
But golf is
That's not.
I mean, there's a scoreboard.
It's like whoever has the most Bitcoin wins,
but it's not a competition.
It's like golf.
Winning and there's a competition.
It's like golf.
Well, you should.
Another great time to unsubscribe.
Anyways, I would say check out Stagger Sports.
It's a good podcast.
I was watching the
the
the Cowboys last night
sucked dude
terrible
well they won three in a row
and they got me back watching them as soon as I started
watching them they lost so now I'm not
going to watch them anymore wow one loss and you're
already I'm out now dude
this is what they do every time
so disappointing
but yeah check out soccer sports
they have
they do have all the numbers
just not youtube numbers that's it they're not on youtube they even on they even do video
no i don't think so i think they're still audio only but it's because they're
they're hardcore we're not hardcore can we're ready for the women's restroom how hardcore can
that be it's pretty hardcore and not a lot of especially when somebody keeps calling it out
would risk standing in front of a one-to-restre.
Some of them look kind of uncomfortable.
I think that's pretty much it.
Let's jump into the top cowboys.
Do you have your hat?
Yeah, you do.
Oh, yeah.
Top cowboys this week.
Yeah, I'm just so tired.
Sorry, Stacker.
I'm just not, don't have the energy for the show today.
This is car on low power mode.
Remember you were asking me, you're like,
oh you always have high energy i'm like nope slow power you did one time you were like how do you
have so much energy for the show because i would start to go and i'm like yeah this week i know
um all right what do we got here we got a yeah it looks like cube number two it hasn't changed
much looks like it looks like cube has the numbers on this one at this point oh yeah there you go
but blockchain booze coming for you.
I feel like Undiscipline is going to eventually just own Stacker News.
Look at this.
He's right up there.
I mean, he's right up there.
Okay, so Undiscipline is right up there on the Cowboys.
Stacker Sports Pod is better than our pod.
Stacker Sports territory is better than the Bitcoin territory.
He's coming for you, Coop.
Well, be careful.
I'll be careful.
It's coming.
uh the rest even great ruby look he's right after he's number five
gosh another good time to unsubscribe but uh but most of this list hasn't changed it looks like
it looks like uh the standings are optimism came up pretty consistent optimism i think has been up
there for a bit scores became up too maybe people fell out what is score 186 days did he get a hat
i don't you know you have to it's a year is when you call off and i'm not sure we're doing another
round of them i think it's just what uh you know wait did we are satoshi get ahead we also
satoshi qualifies for a hat did we get a hat yep but we got a hat did you get a hat oh you got a
hat so scores he's not getting a hat i don't know we haven't decided yet what happens for future
yearly.
People can make it a year.
I think she would like to.
I'm not making the hat, so I don't want to decide for the person.
Oh, that's right, because Scores made the hats right.
I forgot.
Cool.
We got
Womble?
Gepard?
Socks? What is Socks working on these days?
Socks is
still working on the new version of the
editor. Oh, really?
We'd broken apart.
He produced a finished editor that did the rich text stuff
where you wouldn't have to use Markdown.
But there were subtle bugs that had us go and look back
at the way it was, like the foundational components of it
and revisit those and re-engineer those to be such
that they wouldn't be producing bugs as consistently.
So that's what we're kind of doing right now
because we don't want to ship something new
that then we have to repair and prod this way.
It's better just to ship it the right way the first time,
so that's what we're going to do.
Got Pleb Poet number 29.
We got Pleb Lab number 34.
Got Crew, Crew 37.
Oh, yeah, we had Oscar 44.
I forgot.
Oscar had a post.
I should cover that.
I forgot about this.
he made um he made uh he made video he made video on fountain now you can view it in the
in the browser i don't know if you saw it yeah you can he extended the rss spec to have a new tag
yeah and uh i think it's it's pretty it looks pretty generic like uh yeah can do more than just
um more than just video maybe in the future we'll do like augmented reality podcast yeah
um pretty cool but uh this show is on fountain by the way make sure to subscribe on fountain
yeah take a drink of the fountain dude take a drink of the fountain uh the other one was this
we got um telmic telmic's on there 53 schwarz orange friend a lot of new people
there are quite a few new ones
I'm there 78
I'm kind of dropping off because this week's been busy
Lunda real Bitcoin doggy
he still hasn't replaced his hat
his thing what's going on real Bitcoin doggy
he hasn't replaced his profile pic
maybe he's bailing out for good
we'll see
Billy the Kid
there you go
Keon
what are you doing this weekend
um i don't think i have any plans i think i'm probably not gonna do anything i'm thinking
hang out here here's uh i don't know that lady's name but might be a jessica it's like a jessica
to me car doesn't approve so even when he's tired maybe it's just because he's tired but i'll
probably hang out here record ladies coming in and out of the bathroom last weekend how about you
car definitely not doing that um we have a lot of we have a lot of stuff coming in so i have to set
up the networking cage that we have then i'm probably gonna get curtains now because you just
made it super awkward so now i'm gonna get curtains so i'm gonna do that this weekend
get some measuring tape and figure out how to get curtains um and then brackets for shades here
yeah figure that out no i'm not gonna do that i'm gonna do like big curtains across the top
And then, what else?
Yeah, they're going to have some other stuff to move around and stuff.
But, yeah, do that and have some work to get done.
Next week's going to be even more busier.
Got a lot of stuff to line up before the end of the week.
Or before the end of the year, I should say.
Oh, yeah.
Lining up.
Yeah.
Takes a lot of effort.
Yeah.
Line them up.
Sounds good.
That sounds exciting.
Yeah, should be good.
Cool.
Key on.