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live from plan lab in austin texas this is stacker news live

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hello ladies and gentlemen welcome back to another exciting episode of stacker news live

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car with a BFF

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key on.

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What'd you think of that intro?

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Which one? All of them.

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I feel like there were like five

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separate courses

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to this meal. Yeah.

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Hey.

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We'll

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figure it out. I like the first one

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because I can just get it started.

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And then I like the second one because I don't have to do any

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post-production. It does wake you up a little bit.

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It's like a little appetizer, you know.

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It gets you ready. It gets the snackers

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going. Gets the stackers going. Keon, how was your weekend? Or how was your week? My week? Yeah.

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I had cod liver yesterday. What is that? It's liver from fish. Okay. Typically farmed in the

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cold northern waters near Iceland.

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Wow.

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Had that.

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That was one of the more exciting things.

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Where did you go try that in?

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I didn't try it.

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I bought it.

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It comes in a can.

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And I open it.

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And then I eat it.

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Wow.

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Yeah, I thought that was important to share with everyone.

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I mean, it sounds important.

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How about yours?

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How was your week?

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It was good.

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I had a lot of meetings.

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What else did I do?

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A lot of meetings.

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A lot of back and forth.

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Just getting ready for South by and then all the other stuff I'm spinning.

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Trying to think, was there anything that stood out?

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Oh, I had a robo-taxi this morning.

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Yeah, I had a robo-taxi this morning.

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I tried it for the first time.

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It was actually pretty, I mean, it wasn't bad, but it wasn't great.

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a step better than a Waymo, that's for sure.

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Why is it better?

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Just because it's a more comfortable ride.

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There's more lake room.

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There's more seats.

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What type of Tesla is it in?

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I think it was one of those new ones.

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Okay, a Model Y?

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Yeah, I think it was the one that Topher has.

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I think it was a really nice one.

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Oh, Topher?

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Well, I don't know if Topher wants us talking about the type

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that Tesla has.

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Well, you asked me what kind of model it was.

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I know, but they have several models.

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They have a sedan, then they have a crossover.

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They have a sedan, which is like a Model S.

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And then they have a small sedan, like a compact sedan, which is a Model 3.

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I mean, they all kind of, at least for me, they all kind of look alike, except for the truck.

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They do look a little bit alike, yeah.

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So I can see how it would be hard.

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That's why I'm kind of curious.

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But you said a man was in it.

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Yeah, a guy was sitting down there in the front seat.

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It was super awkward.

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Did he talk to you?

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No, like, I tried to talk to him, but he's, like, in his zone.

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He's like, I can't talk.

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It's weird because he's probably, like, listening to a podcast or something.

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But, yeah, I think he can't talk or something.

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I think that's probably the guidelines.

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I mean, I think it's pretty cool.

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I think if they got rid of the guy in the front, I think it'll do pretty well.

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But, no, no, it's fine.

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They do let you, like, play Apple Music in it, which is kind of cool.

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so you don't have and I didn't see a screen

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I was telling you to tell you I didn't see a screen in the back seat

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so you can connect your phone to the

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no it's like in the app

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it's in the Robotex

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so it takes the music from your phone

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I wonder if you played

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you know something kind of raunchy

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and the guy is in there

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would it stop you?

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well it was weird because I came in there and it was already playing music

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and then after a while it kind of got annoying

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and I just paused it

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so I was like this is kind of annoying music

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I don't think he was listening

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it looks like he had earbuds on

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or airbots on

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Oh, man, I lost my thing.

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Let me go back here.

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The first one is...

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Actually, let me go back here.

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Actually, I have it right here.

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I just dropped it off right now.

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Boom, boom, boom, boom.

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Boom, boom, boom, boom.

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Boom, boom, boom, boom.

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Right here.

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Number three top story is why doesn't Saylor crash the price of the dollar with his massive dollar dumps?

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This is from Scoresby, 56 comments.

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He dropped some boosts in there in 2012 K sats.

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Keyon, what's Saylor doing now?

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Yeah, I think, well, Scoresby is still trying to contend with one of these Vosco posts about dumping a fork coin,

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and not, I think, tanking the price significantly

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or destroying the utility of the fork coin.

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And so he uses something that's way more popular and fun to talk about,

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which is treasury companies right now,

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to help him understand and help us understand what Bosco is saying.

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yeah so he goes and looks at all of

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Saylor's Bitcoin buys

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or how he frames it as dollar selling

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so Saylor is selling his dollars for Bitcoin

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and he tries to see if there is

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if the market is responding somehow

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to what Saylor is doing

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and more so as Saylor is getting rid of dollars

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is the price of dollars decreasing relative to Bitcoin.

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And, yeah.

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So he goes through and he walks through that process

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and comes to the conclusion that it doesn't look like

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a sailor selling his dollars for Bitcoin

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is affecting the price of dollars relative to Bitcoin.

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It does not show up in his assessment.

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I would even think it made it make a dent, right?

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No, yeah.

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there's like you you could view it you could it's like well there are a lot of dollars so

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you know the the amount of dollars that sailor is dumping relative to the total supply of dollars

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is small but i i think scoresby is making the case that even if even if there weren't that many

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dollars it it may not show up and the and that's big that's using voskell's argument here which is

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that someone wants those dollars.

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Like if Saylor is selling his dollars for Bitcoin,

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someone is looking, there is demand for,

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it's symmetric, there is demand for those dollars

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that Saylor is selling.

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And that person is willing to give Saylor Bitcoin

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for those dollars.

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And so the idea is that it's not,

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it's kind of a wash

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in terms of the effect of the

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of the dollar and the Bitcoin

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how much does price reflect utility

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and stuff, it becomes

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a much more complicated argument

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convey in this video

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but it's a fun post either way

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whether you're interested in treasury companies

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or Bosco or

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economic concepts,

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I think it's a fun exercise.

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Flex Gorsi is becoming this expert

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in this kind of field now.

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It's kind of interesting.

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Which field would you call it?

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How do you say the...

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What was the one that he did the review on?

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It's on my desk, the book.

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Old School?

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book? Oh, he's becoming an expert on

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Crypto Economics

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Books that are on Carr's desk, you can hear me?

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Okay, we have

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Pocket Guide Rosary

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The New Testament

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Scoresby didn't write that

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We have Crypto Economics

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Yeah, that one, that one's it

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Okay, and that's Eric

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Yeah, that one, I think that's the one that

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I feel like Scoresby's an expert on that.

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Good job, Scoresby.

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I know.

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Top comment was from...

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Let's go up here.

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Whoa.

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That's a lot of comments.

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Samson...

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Or no, was from Scoresby.

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He said,

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Samson Mal posted this joke today.

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Not a real Saylor tweet.

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Thinking about buying Bitcoin on spot market

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instead of OTC.

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Yeah, because the idea...

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Because Saylor buys his Bitcoin via OTC.

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which means it's kind of off the books and direct peer-to-peer

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with someone else who's trying to acquire dollars

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or buy dollars with their Bitcoin.

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So it doesn't really show up in the market prices

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because they kind of agree on one price for a big lump sum.

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And rather, if Saylor were buying from lots,

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from a normal order book, from retail,

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it would pump the price a lot.

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So that's why this is a joke,

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because if Sailor started buying OTC or didn't buy OTC and bought spot,

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it would, the price would go parabolic.

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Yeah, we would see spot run.

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We would see spot run.

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Nice.

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Cool.

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Do you guys have any other thoughts on this?

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That was a really good joke by a pleb poet.

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Awesome.

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Cool, great stuff.

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Let's go into the number two story.

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Oh, the number two story of the week.

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A report of the HRF AI hack for freedom by Plep Poet.

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She's right here.

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11 comments, 17,000 sets.

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Key on or Plep Poet.

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What's this?

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She's hidden somewhere back there.

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If you scoot over, she can get in.

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Would you like to be seen?

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I can, yeah.

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There you go.

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There's some clogs here.

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Clogs clogging up the way.

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Yeah, I wrote that.

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and car did did you what did you think did you read it yeah i read it right before the show

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yeah yeah well i uh wasn't expecting anything really like i just knew this was coming up

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because it was something that austin was involved with or knew he was going to participate in

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but then i was like there and i was in and i felt some type of way about it and so i went i had to

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had to say had to report so what would you what happened tell us the scoop it was cool it was a

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hackathon but with people that you wouldn't expect who have something to risk and something to kind of

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gain by getting involved because they have some work out in the real world that's kind of risky

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but also important in a, I don't know, grassroots type of a way, I would say.

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So it felt like getting projects into the hands of people that can, like, use them right now.

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And that was cool.

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Awesome.

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Does Austin want to come over here and say something?

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he is probably

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just digesting some chipotle

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so maybe

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maybe not

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cool

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Keon do you have any thoughts on this

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do I have thoughts on this

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I thought it was cool

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oh wait

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Austin has

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I mean never mind

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come on screen

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I just like a short

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I think the most interesting insight is...

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No, you can do what you're doing.

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I'm just moving in.

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So a few things.

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Doing this hackathon, we are all working with activists.

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So it's like working with a user directly, a non-technical user,

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that they're giving you this user feedback that's very abstract and loose.

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I want it to be like this.

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It should behave like this.

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And you're translating that in real time in order to make it actionable and scope it in your product immediately.

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So that was such an incredible, interesting challenge to add to the hackathon workflow,

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where normally it's just a bunch of devs and maybe a designer.

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And I think the final thing that was really interesting and a good insight is that

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we're able to make more software than ever now with AI.

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There's more software and it's going to increase.

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There's more products.

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There's more problems that are being solved.

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But to have a user ready to use it right there,

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and they have a real problem, an actual life or death problem,

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and they want you to solve it on the spot.

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I think that's like the ultimate nerd snipe for developers of like,

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hey, you want to work on a stupid B2B SaaS problem

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or do you want to work and help someone that's in need

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that has like a real life or death problem?

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And so I think those were two very special and unique things about the hackathon

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that, you know, there's something to be taken away from those aspects of it

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that I think other hackathons could implement

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or even larger scale, longer term hackathons

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like the Bolt.Fun Legends of Lightning.

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I think that was really interesting of someone revisiting that idea.

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So anyway.

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Yeah.

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I think it's really interesting the way you describe the, like, having that person.

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Like, there's, like, this, because they're explaining it in the way that they know how, but maybe you don't know.

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It's kind of like.

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You're, like, translating.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So it's kind of interesting how, like, there's that, like.

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Lower latency.

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Lower latency.

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There you go.

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And there's also, like, kind of language.

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Oh, did they speak English or no?

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I don't know.

332
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it wasn't as smooth as like you would expect because they're not american refugees right

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non-americans yeah oh wow unless they're like a refugee from california was there anything

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yes was there anything that stood out in texas austin was there anything or jan was there anything

335
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that stood out as far as like the projects that you you remember yeah um stringer safety one

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and that one just like i they had a pretty good team of people and diverse group of people i would

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say um like it's like i feel like they had a couple of designers and a girl so there you go

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um but but because of that i feel like and you can alex like drop the link for their

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landing page in the comments um i think they had the most like oh this is done today

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this is ready to go.

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This is ready to show people.

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And yeah, go to that

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right there from Alex Lewin, Stringer

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Safety.

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And getting

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to know

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who they built this

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for. I can't remember his name.

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Anjan

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Sunam

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something like that.

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He was really cool.

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He's one of the

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he's definitely like the user

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story for this oh wow so it's kind of like a like an apple kind of like a sos thing yeah just for

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like graphing is that sending alerts to like a your trusted network yeah okay that's cool and they

357
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just like came to building something like that because he was telling them about like

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when i'm like in scary war places places where like conflict is actually real and happening

359
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this is the habits that I do

360
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and so the app is to

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automate those habits

362
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yeah

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scary stuff

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yeah I thought it was

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yeah it looks pretty

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interesting too right it looks like a

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complete app that

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you would see a landing

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page for you know

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looks like a landing page alright

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looks like a landing page alright

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Keon did you have any thoughts on this?

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No, I don't have a whole bunch to add.

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I wasn't there.

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I did want to note that Austin smells like rice.

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We don't have Smell-O-Vision yet.

377
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Someone will Vibe Code it any day now,

378
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maybe at another HRF event for accessibility.

379
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Wow.

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Yeah, I thought the project seemed cool.

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I do like hearing about, I do think Austin's observation about having a project manager who's really a customer.

382
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You don't actually, how this intermediates problem solving.

383
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Because you don't need someone who can communicate with all these communication layers to get to the customer, to convey to a developer.

384
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It's a lot of gray.

385
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Yeah, you could just have the customer right there.

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They're closer to the code.

387
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Maybe if they're not even, it's not accessible maybe exactly for them yet,

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but it's still getting them a lot closer to the code.

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Yeah.

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And so I think that's pretty cool.

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Pretty cool stuff.

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I wanted to ask Jana, what was your favorite course at the HRF dinner?

393
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Wait, what?

394
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So I mentioned this in the post that there was a dinner,

395
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and that's where I first got,

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like I wasn't even sure I was going to go

397
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and be part of this, but then I went to the dinner

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and then I was like, oh, I definitely want to be part of this.

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Okay, so the dinner was nine courses

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and the best...

401
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Nine courses? Did you get full?

402
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I had a culinary experience.

403
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I was full and this is what I reported

404
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at the end. I was full in a different way

405
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and I would say like satisfied.

406
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Like well-rounded.

407
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Okay, anyway.

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The best course was

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sourdough ice cream

410
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at the end.

411
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Very cool.

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And this was at a place

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down here on

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on 3rd Street.

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It's called Hestia.

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Hestia.

417
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Ooh.

418
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Sounds fancy.

419
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Shout out HRF.

420
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That was nice.

421
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Okay.

422
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That sounds cool.

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I wonder how you make

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sourdough ice cream.

425
00:20:01,020 --> 00:20:01,340
I know.

426
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Do you have to like

427
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knead it?

428
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I would doubt it.

429
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:05,740
Was it kind of like

430
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So Del Frisco has this like

431
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It's like their

432
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I forget the name of it but it's like a

433
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It's almost like a sponge cake type of thing

434
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Is it kind of like that?

435
00:20:15,100 --> 00:20:18,020
No it was straight up ice cream that tasted like sourdough

436
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Oh okay I got you

437
00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:19,980
And it was awesome

438
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And it made me want to use ice cream as a vehicle

439
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For all foods

440
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Interesting

441
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She talks of Scoresby

442
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Well

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Awesome

444
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I can't wait to see what happens next

445
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with all these projects.

446
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And yeah, it sounds really serious.

447
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It sounds like there was a lot of people's lives at stake.

448
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So it good that you guys were able to get them some apps that they can leverage when they out in the field over there Yeah and I think there will be more events like this that themselves their own organizations like want to start

449
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So that's cool.

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Awesome.

451
00:20:59,998 --> 00:21:04,018
Another thing I wanted to say is I was super excited when I saw PlebPoet was going to write this

452
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because I was looking on X over the weekend to look for content about the hackathon

453
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and seeing what projects were there.

454
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and I searched for like ARHRF

455
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hackathon

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and three tweets came up

457
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and one of them was Pled Poet saying she was going to write this

458
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and there was like one from

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one of the third places

460
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which I think everyone who didn't get first or second

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got third

462
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and then there was one other one

463
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I think about an announcement post

464
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but these events

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tend to be kind of private

466
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so it was nice to be able to

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actually not have to go

468
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even though it was right down the street

469
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It's probably because maybe, like, the people that are here, they could probably, yeah, you just want to maybe err on the side of caution.

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That's the only thing I can think of.

471
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Because there has been some times where, I mean, I've told you guys this, like, I feel like I have gotten followed multiple times here in Austin by the authorities.

472
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And then I've also seen somebody who's flown into Austin.

473
00:22:02,378 --> 00:22:05,858
Remember, I won't say, don't say who, but there was one time where I was with that person.

474
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And literally a guy came out and started snapping pictures of us both.

475
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so maybe that's probably why they didn't do that

476
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that's the only thing I can think of

477
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oh yeah

478
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maybe they're afraid of spooks

479
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or people that could possibly

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get them

481
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like if they find out where their hotels

482
00:22:23,938 --> 00:22:25,538
and stuff like that

483
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that's the only thing I can think of

484
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I guess they could assassinate them

485
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they could poison their sourdough ice cream

486
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I wouldn't go that far

487
00:22:32,078 --> 00:22:34,918
yeah it's real stuff

488
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Keon

489
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anyways

490
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good stuff Jenna

491
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you have to be a loser

492
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you'll be fine

493
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good stuff Jenna

494
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thank you for sharing

495
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alright let's go to the next one

496
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the number one story this week is

497
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I'm Lucy an autonomous

498
00:22:54,778 --> 00:22:56,618
AI trader that never sleeps

499
00:22:56,618 --> 00:23:04,358
what is this Keon

500
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this was the top

501
00:23:06,878 --> 00:23:08,798
boost. They like, they

502
00:23:08,798 --> 00:23:10,138
boosted the crap out of it.

503
00:23:10,418 --> 00:23:12,478
I do not recommend trading. I do not

504
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recommend trading with bots.

505
00:23:15,038 --> 00:23:16,718
I do, I personally would not

506
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recommend. So you're recommending this?

507
00:23:18,478 --> 00:23:20,918
I would not recommend using Lucy.

508
00:23:21,518 --> 00:23:22,818
I mean, if you're interested in

509
00:23:22,818 --> 00:23:24,738
trading and this kind of stuff, and you

510
00:23:24,738 --> 00:23:26,258
kind of know what you're doing, have fun.

511
00:23:26,378 --> 00:23:28,758
I think there's a lot of people on Sacker News that are

512
00:23:28,758 --> 00:23:30,638
interested in that, to be honest. I'm sure

513
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a lot of people are. I just wouldn't, I don't

514
00:23:32,678 --> 00:23:35,178
have anything to say about this other than don't.

515
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And

516
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you know, I don't know.

517
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Talk.

518
00:23:40,138 --> 00:23:41,738
The comments on this one's pretty good.

519
00:23:42,978 --> 00:23:43,958
They agree with you.

520
00:23:44,738 --> 00:23:45,918
Just colorful ways.

521
00:23:46,198 --> 00:23:48,798
You know, but it's cool that people are using

522
00:23:48,798 --> 00:23:50,178
AI in these ways.

523
00:23:50,458 --> 00:23:52,218
And if you look at the way it's designed,

524
00:23:52,938 --> 00:23:55,018
what it kind of does is I think is you set up

525
00:23:55,018 --> 00:23:56,438
or you have it

526
00:23:56,438 --> 00:23:58,518
prompts every

527
00:23:58,518 --> 00:24:00,838
at some interval

528
00:24:00,838 --> 00:24:02,078
and makes trading decisions.

529
00:24:02,398 --> 00:24:04,438
And it does that in an automated way.

530
00:24:04,438 --> 00:24:07,938
and I guess they have a community of prompts

531
00:24:07,938 --> 00:24:12,838
that you could use to do this polling trading.

532
00:24:15,478 --> 00:24:17,138
I mean, it seems interesting.

533
00:24:17,578 --> 00:24:21,298
It's just what I'm afraid of is some person

534
00:24:21,298 --> 00:24:23,318
who doesn't have money to lose,

535
00:24:24,658 --> 00:24:27,098
losing their money using stuff like this.

536
00:24:28,618 --> 00:24:30,178
But if you're rich,

537
00:24:30,178 --> 00:24:38,318
uh it's like it's like i say i always say uh cocaine is a great drug but only if you're rich

538
00:24:38,318 --> 00:24:44,298
um and i think it's i think the same is true for trading i like cocaine does cocaine is

539
00:24:44,298 --> 00:24:52,418
so not do cocaine if you're poor um you're coming with it today huh um interesting well so so

540
00:24:52,418 --> 00:24:58,918
basically it sounds like it works and it sounds like um people are using it and um and it takes

541
00:24:58,918 --> 00:25:10,558
that so yeah yolo stackers don't yeah hodl yolo um anyways i'm just kidding i'm sure darth

542
00:25:10,558 --> 00:25:14,458
coin's down there saying something about something cool stuff and that's all the top

543
00:25:14,458 --> 00:25:20,198
stories this week on stacker or all the top stories here on stacker.news we're gonna jump

544
00:25:20,198 --> 00:25:22,078
into Wumble's Picks.

545
00:25:22,638 --> 00:25:24,118
Wumble's

546
00:25:24,118 --> 00:25:27,158
Picks.

547
00:25:27,938 --> 00:25:30,238
Wumble's Picks. So Wumble picked this one

548
00:25:30,238 --> 00:25:32,138
this week. Switzerland will likely

549
00:25:32,138 --> 00:25:34,198
vote on a 10 million population cap

550
00:25:34,198 --> 00:25:34,698
this year.

551
00:25:36,278 --> 00:25:38,618
And his question was,

552
00:25:38,958 --> 00:25:40,118
let's go back.

553
00:25:40,118 --> 00:25:42,118
He said, would this be smart

554
00:25:42,118 --> 00:25:43,298
planning or

555
00:25:43,298 --> 00:25:46,098
what is that? Tyrannical

556
00:25:46,098 --> 00:25:48,338
overreach for the Swiss government.

557
00:25:48,998 --> 00:25:49,438
Keon,

558
00:25:49,438 --> 00:25:50,838
what do you think?

559
00:25:52,438 --> 00:25:54,558
Oh, is it tyrannical overreach?

560
00:25:54,958 --> 00:25:57,138
I mean, it depends on what you think of the role.

561
00:25:57,678 --> 00:25:59,158
I'm pretty cold just looking at that.

562
00:25:59,238 --> 00:26:00,298
As the role of a government.

563
00:26:01,518 --> 00:26:02,778
Like, what is the role of a government?

564
00:26:03,838 --> 00:26:08,038
And I imagine that will decide the answer to that question for you.

565
00:26:08,038 --> 00:26:12,458
do you think a government should be

566
00:26:12,458 --> 00:26:13,898
making

567
00:26:13,898 --> 00:26:15,618
life

568
00:26:15,618 --> 00:26:18,518
idyllic for

569
00:26:18,518 --> 00:26:21,498
a majority

570
00:26:21,498 --> 00:26:24,138
of people in the country

571
00:26:24,138 --> 00:26:26,378
as stated by their

572
00:26:26,378 --> 00:26:28,138
votes at polls

573
00:26:28,138 --> 00:26:29,278
like

574
00:26:29,278 --> 00:26:31,918
so maybe it's not tyrannical

575
00:26:31,918 --> 00:26:33,278
but if you think that

576
00:26:33,278 --> 00:26:36,798
people

577
00:26:36,798 --> 00:26:43,958
people who own property should be allowed to have anyone from anyone in the world come visit

578
00:26:43,958 --> 00:26:51,298
their property than it is than it is tyrannical so i don't know um you know to me i think it does

579
00:26:51,298 --> 00:27:00,138
seem like a bit much um i mean it sounds like it's going to be like a citadel for for um

580
00:27:00,138 --> 00:27:02,198
it kind of already is

581
00:27:02,198 --> 00:27:03,118
I think that might be

582
00:27:03,118 --> 00:27:06,118
it's just hard

583
00:27:06,118 --> 00:27:08,658
when you have a community the size of a country

584
00:27:08,658 --> 00:27:10,058
how do you

585
00:27:10,058 --> 00:27:12,818
gauge what is appropriate

586
00:27:12,818 --> 00:27:14,038
because likely

587
00:27:14,038 --> 00:27:16,238
only 48% of

588
00:27:16,238 --> 00:27:18,438
the Swiss public

589
00:27:18,438 --> 00:27:19,918
supported this cap

590
00:27:19,918 --> 00:27:22,238
and so you're upsetting

591
00:27:22,238 --> 00:27:24,798
roughly half the population

592
00:27:24,798 --> 00:27:26,618
most of them

593
00:27:26,618 --> 00:27:27,958
I would guess either don't care

594
00:27:27,958 --> 00:27:34,118
or don't show up at polls or maybe they're involved in tourism.

595
00:27:34,438 --> 00:27:36,738
And so they like the increase in people.

596
00:27:36,738 --> 00:27:42,418
And so it was just like settling disputes among large groups of people is hard.

597
00:27:42,978 --> 00:27:43,498
Yeah.

598
00:27:44,198 --> 00:27:45,838
Looks like Kepard had a top comment.

599
00:27:45,938 --> 00:27:49,018
He said, alternate take, we thought Europeans were enlightened,

600
00:27:49,558 --> 00:27:53,158
unlike the U.S., where racist laws require permission to enter.

601
00:27:53,598 --> 00:27:57,318
Turns out the Swiss don't want to be flooded with newcomers, in quotes, either.

602
00:27:57,958 --> 00:28:03,178
I was from Kepford and then him and Optimus

603
00:28:03,178 --> 00:28:03,978
and go back and forth.

604
00:28:05,698 --> 00:28:05,918
Yeah.

605
00:28:06,798 --> 00:28:09,798
So many geopolitical stuff going on.

606
00:28:12,458 --> 00:28:12,978
Crazy.

607
00:28:13,438 --> 00:28:14,338
Crazy times, Keon.

608
00:28:14,498 --> 00:28:15,718
It's been a crazy year.

609
00:28:17,238 --> 00:28:20,158
We're only in the 23rd of January.

610
00:28:21,138 --> 00:28:21,278
Yeah.

611
00:28:21,958 --> 00:28:22,298
Yeah.

612
00:28:22,298 --> 00:28:27,618
I mean, there's a lot of moving stuff

613
00:28:27,618 --> 00:28:28,958
going on in the world right now.

614
00:28:29,538 --> 00:28:31,018
It just feels very alive.

615
00:28:31,678 --> 00:28:33,498
If you were in Switzerland, what side would you

616
00:28:33,498 --> 00:28:34,598
fall on this? That's maybe

617
00:28:34,598 --> 00:28:37,098
an easier question to answer.

618
00:28:37,518 --> 00:28:39,598
So you're having a chaos question

619
00:28:39,598 --> 00:28:40,538
for Womble's Picks.

620
00:28:41,198 --> 00:28:43,758
Okay, so I get to vote whether we cap.

621
00:28:43,758 --> 00:28:45,358
If you're in Switzerland, you're living in Switzerland,

622
00:28:45,558 --> 00:28:46,538
they have great tacos.

623
00:28:46,878 --> 00:28:49,658
I think the biggest problem with that, I just don't understand

624
00:28:49,658 --> 00:28:50,518
like

625
00:28:50,518 --> 00:28:52,998
does that mean kids

626
00:28:52,998 --> 00:28:56,018
and like children that you want to have?

627
00:28:56,018 --> 00:28:57,978
I think it mostly means, like, at the border.

628
00:28:58,278 --> 00:29:02,058
Like, when people come in, if there are already too many people in the country,

629
00:29:02,058 --> 00:29:06,758
they stop kind of letting people in who maybe aren't citizens.

630
00:29:07,018 --> 00:29:11,098
So it's like a party, and then, like, once the party caps out for the fire halls.

631
00:29:11,098 --> 00:29:12,318
Yeah, then the door is closed.

632
00:29:12,738 --> 00:29:13,098
Okay.

633
00:29:13,398 --> 00:29:13,598
Yeah.

634
00:29:13,698 --> 00:29:16,018
Yeah, I mean, if it's for fire safety, I think they should.

635
00:29:16,838 --> 00:29:20,758
But, like, not telling you you can't have any kids, being in, so that's kind of weird.

636
00:29:20,978 --> 00:29:22,578
What if it's not for fire safety?

637
00:29:22,658 --> 00:29:23,518
What if it's fireproof?

638
00:29:24,518 --> 00:29:25,258
What do you mean fireproof?

639
00:29:25,258 --> 00:29:29,998
What if, like, there is no risk of fire, and they just...

640
00:29:29,998 --> 00:29:31,918
They're just stopping people from coming in?

641
00:29:31,958 --> 00:29:33,358
They're stopping people because they're like,

642
00:29:33,438 --> 00:29:35,618
I like my life better when there are fewer people here.

643
00:29:35,818 --> 00:29:36,438
I don't know.

644
00:29:36,478 --> 00:29:37,118
There's a lot of...

645
00:29:37,118 --> 00:29:40,058
So there's a lot of bunkers, right, in Switzerland, so...

646
00:29:40,058 --> 00:29:40,538
I would imagine.

647
00:29:40,638 --> 00:29:42,238
I wonder if they know something we don't.

648
00:29:42,398 --> 00:29:44,298
Like, is there, like, an asteroid that's coming?

649
00:29:44,998 --> 00:29:46,298
That's why everybody...

650
00:29:46,298 --> 00:29:47,178
That's why they're trying to...

651
00:29:47,178 --> 00:29:50,158
And they're going to regrow the Earth's population with that?

652
00:29:50,278 --> 00:29:50,958
I mean, I don't know.

653
00:29:50,958 --> 00:29:51,958
It just kind of...

654
00:29:52,818 --> 00:29:54,878
The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think, like,

655
00:29:54,878 --> 00:29:59,138
what else is going on behind the scenes that they want to pop, they want a cap on this.

656
00:29:59,138 --> 00:30:01,718
So you feel like you don't have enough information.

657
00:30:01,938 --> 00:30:04,758
I don't have enough information to go right or left on this.

658
00:30:04,898 --> 00:30:06,338
I would need more information.

659
00:30:06,498 --> 00:30:12,218
And I probably want to dig my own information and see what else is going on behind the scenes for this cap.

660
00:30:13,058 --> 00:30:14,098
That's the first I've heard about this.

661
00:30:15,198 --> 00:30:19,098
I'm involved in a, my answer is if I'm involved in a liberal democracy like this

662
00:30:19,098 --> 00:30:23,938
and I have to make a decision, I'm, and I like accept that premise,

663
00:30:23,938 --> 00:30:25,058
I'm probably an envy.

664
00:30:25,338 --> 00:30:36,278
I probably am a person who's like, no, yeah, I actually want my Swiss countryside to be empty and pristine and not filled with, like, apartments and condos and stuff.

665
00:30:36,378 --> 00:30:41,298
And I just want to be able to look out my window at nature.

666
00:30:42,538 --> 00:30:46,098
I mean, you have every right to express that, I think.

667
00:30:46,218 --> 00:30:47,338
No, well, that's the thing.

668
00:30:47,418 --> 00:30:48,938
It's like I have the right to express that.

669
00:30:48,938 --> 00:30:53,518
but what these laws do is they prevent other people who,

670
00:30:53,798 --> 00:30:55,078
because I don't own all of Switzerland,

671
00:30:55,438 --> 00:31:01,158
other stakeholders in Switzerland from getting to exercise their own right

672
00:31:01,158 --> 00:31:04,998
to have people visit or whatever, or build their apartment complex.

673
00:31:05,398 --> 00:31:07,438
Who posted this? Oh, Blockchain Boog posted this. Okay.

674
00:31:08,198 --> 00:31:08,818
Let's go on, Boog.

675
00:31:09,498 --> 00:31:12,218
I would like to hear Blockchain Boog's comment on this

676
00:31:12,218 --> 00:31:13,898
when he listens back this week.

677
00:31:14,038 --> 00:31:15,578
Boog, what would you pick?

678
00:31:16,918 --> 00:31:17,878
Cap or no cap?

679
00:31:18,938 --> 00:31:19,898
Let us know.

680
00:31:20,398 --> 00:31:20,738
Okay.

681
00:31:21,598 --> 00:31:23,098
And that was Wumble's Picks.

682
00:31:23,438 --> 00:31:29,558
Stay tuned next week where we bring you another exciting segment from Wumble in Wumble's Picks.

683
00:31:31,518 --> 00:31:32,878
See how I'm making that work now?

684
00:31:33,298 --> 00:31:35,278
Just got that down.

685
00:31:35,818 --> 00:31:38,598
We're going to jump into some AI stuff.

686
00:31:38,718 --> 00:31:40,978
The first one is Gen AI, the snake eating its own tail.

687
00:31:40,978 --> 00:31:45,498
This was like a really interesting article that I read just before the show.

688
00:31:46,258 --> 00:31:47,438
It's from this guy.

689
00:31:47,438 --> 00:31:50,218
He's actually a, let's share his work.

690
00:31:50,658 --> 00:31:52,238
He's actually a co-founder of Gruntwork,

691
00:31:52,418 --> 00:31:54,378
a company that offers products and services

692
00:31:54,378 --> 00:31:56,538
for setting up world-class DevOps foundations.

693
00:31:57,478 --> 00:31:59,878
And he basically describes how, like,

694
00:32:00,218 --> 00:32:02,438
he thinks all these LLMs are going to destroy

695
00:32:02,978 --> 00:32:04,998
the ecosystems that they're relying on.

696
00:32:06,018 --> 00:32:08,458
And first he starts off with the online communities

697
00:32:08,458 --> 00:32:10,458
with Stack Overflow, and he's talking about how, like,

698
00:32:10,478 --> 00:32:12,378
no one's posted in there anymore.

699
00:32:12,678 --> 00:32:14,738
Everything's going down, as you can see here.

700
00:32:15,598 --> 00:32:16,878
Let me see if that goes.

701
00:32:16,878 --> 00:32:20,738
as you can see here. He says this is where a lot of the

702
00:32:20,738 --> 00:32:24,538
coding for these LLMs are coming from.

703
00:32:25,298 --> 00:32:29,058
He talks about Tailwind and how they had to lay off some people here recently

704
00:32:29,058 --> 00:32:33,378
and how that's just an automatic thing that you can just do

705
00:32:33,378 --> 00:32:37,698
right away. So yeah, 75%

706
00:32:37,698 --> 00:32:41,518
of their staff got laid off. And then he says

707
00:32:41,518 --> 00:32:45,158
this other thing, this other example that he brings up is just like books and blogs.

708
00:32:45,158 --> 00:32:48,458
Like, will people actually read these things anymore?

709
00:32:49,538 --> 00:32:50,638
Will people still read?

710
00:32:51,218 --> 00:32:54,118
If they can just do everything from, you know.

711
00:32:55,998 --> 00:32:56,778
Yeah, yeah.

712
00:32:57,198 --> 00:32:59,138
Whisper into their computer and it whispers back to them.

713
00:32:59,378 --> 00:33:06,198
Yeah, and then he goes on to how he thinks these models are a bit broken.

714
00:33:06,358 --> 00:33:11,598
And we've talked about this multiple times for the past year, maybe a year and a half at this point.

715
00:33:12,318 --> 00:33:15,258
And then he brings up examples of people that are trying to solve that solution,

716
00:33:15,358 --> 00:33:18,618
whether it's like Cloudflare with a pay-per-crawl,

717
00:33:18,658 --> 00:33:21,678
where you would basically have like some sort of, how would that be, Kion?

718
00:33:21,738 --> 00:33:22,798
You would have it right at the domain,

719
00:33:22,798 --> 00:33:28,938
and then it would stop these agent crawlers from sourcing your content.

720
00:33:29,618 --> 00:33:30,778
I think that's how you explain it.

721
00:33:31,278 --> 00:33:32,978
And then he's talking about like pay-per-use.

722
00:33:34,818 --> 00:33:38,938
And then he basically says that if we don't find something sooner rather than later,

723
00:33:38,938 --> 00:33:45,778
we could start seeing where everything that we're consuming or building or doing on the web is just a,

724
00:33:45,958 --> 00:33:50,658
yeah, it's like a snaking in its own tail.

725
00:33:52,958 --> 00:33:58,198
Eventually it just falls probably into like a black hole or something.

726
00:33:58,298 --> 00:33:58,998
I don't know. We'll see.

727
00:33:59,218 --> 00:33:59,338
A what?

728
00:33:59,918 --> 00:34:03,258
I don't know. I was trying to come up with a concept in my head, but it didn't really come out.

729
00:34:03,258 --> 00:34:05,858
But I don't know. I would take a look at it.

730
00:34:05,858 --> 00:34:11,338
still an amazing read. Got me thinking about the world and where we're headed. But Keon,

731
00:34:11,838 --> 00:34:15,918
I want to hear your thoughts on this. I know you didn't read this, but what do you think

732
00:34:15,918 --> 00:34:21,978
about this concept of a snake eating its own tail when it comes to these LLMs and the ecosystem

733
00:34:21,978 --> 00:34:27,358
that it's relying on? Yeah, so there's a lot. There's like a lot here. But I don't think

734
00:34:27,358 --> 00:34:31,958
anyone is going to successfully be able to gate. You can do a pretty good job maybe with

735
00:34:31,958 --> 00:34:36,238
cloud where you can make it inconvenient and you can set up all kinds of legal barriers like oh we

736
00:34:36,238 --> 00:34:41,338
saw open ai that crawled our website and we're we're actively trying to stop them and now we'll

737
00:34:41,338 --> 00:34:46,298
sue them for a billion dollars or whatever uh i don't i just don't think i think those are likely

738
00:34:46,298 --> 00:34:52,738
to be not super effective i just think i think what what changes is the business model um i don't

739
00:34:52,738 --> 00:34:58,158
think if the consumer of the content is a machine and it's you know it can ignore the ads perfectly

740
00:34:58,158 --> 00:35:00,298
fine. Ad-based business

741
00:35:00,298 --> 00:35:01,458
models probably don't work anymore.

742
00:35:02,718 --> 00:35:04,078
Again, I don't think the

743
00:35:04,078 --> 00:35:05,398
reverse proxy

744
00:35:05,398 --> 00:35:07,878
cloud player type solutions are

745
00:35:07,878 --> 00:35:09,678
going to be super

746
00:35:09,678 --> 00:35:12,278
complete, at least

747
00:35:12,278 --> 00:35:13,578
as far as a solution.

748
00:35:15,538 --> 00:35:16,498
Then I think

749
00:35:16,498 --> 00:35:18,598
the other side is software

750
00:35:18,598 --> 00:35:20,478
licensing. That's

751
00:35:20,478 --> 00:35:22,458
how Tailwind, I believe, was

752
00:35:22,458 --> 00:35:24,538
making their money. I just

753
00:35:24,538 --> 00:35:26,278
don't think that makes a whole bunch of sense anymore

754
00:35:26,278 --> 00:35:27,898
because there's enough

755
00:35:27,898 --> 00:35:29,758
open source code and enough

756
00:35:29,758 --> 00:35:32,278
weights in these models that I can

757
00:35:32,278 --> 00:35:34,378
probably produce much of what's gated

758
00:35:34,378 --> 00:35:35,798
behind a license for Tailwind.

759
00:35:39,078 --> 00:35:40,318
Yeah, that's a major bummer.

760
00:35:40,338 --> 00:35:40,658
But I think

761
00:35:40,658 --> 00:35:44,178
it's still...

762
00:35:44,178 --> 00:35:44,998
What do you think about the books?

763
00:35:45,718 --> 00:35:48,118
I think you want to write books targeted for

764
00:35:48,118 --> 00:35:49,118
AI to consume them.

765
00:35:49,118 --> 00:35:51,118
You still want to...

766
00:35:51,638 --> 00:35:53,198
I think, for me

767
00:35:53,198 --> 00:35:55,278
at least, writing is not so much

768
00:35:55,278 --> 00:35:57,038
about the consumer

769
00:35:57,038 --> 00:35:59,598
or it's almost as much about me

770
00:35:59,598 --> 00:36:01,518
and getting my thinking out

771
00:36:01,518 --> 00:36:04,518
and me understanding my own thoughts

772
00:36:04,518 --> 00:36:06,418
as it is someone else consuming them

773
00:36:06,418 --> 00:36:07,398
and paying me for it.

774
00:36:07,558 --> 00:36:09,598
I'm sure for career writers

775
00:36:09,598 --> 00:36:10,398
that's a bit different.

776
00:36:12,078 --> 00:36:13,218
But I think all that changes

777
00:36:13,218 --> 00:36:14,838
is the consumer side

778
00:36:14,838 --> 00:36:17,578
and now I want the LLMs

779
00:36:17,578 --> 00:36:19,178
consuming my books and my writing

780
00:36:19,178 --> 00:36:22,758
so that I'm manifesting

781
00:36:22,758 --> 00:36:26,158
maybe a little less directly

782
00:36:26,158 --> 00:36:32,658
but still manifesting, perhaps at better scale, in these models that everyone is using.

783
00:36:33,738 --> 00:36:42,938
I think you just kind of have to sort of do like a judo and embrace it rather than fight it.

784
00:36:44,038 --> 00:36:46,478
Yeah, I think you're right.

785
00:36:46,538 --> 00:36:50,758
It's definitely something that people are going to have to adapt, obviously.

786
00:36:51,198 --> 00:36:54,798
And then I think, yeah, some business models will work and some won't work.

787
00:36:54,798 --> 00:36:59,598
but I wouldn't go to the extreme of a snickiness until

788
00:36:59,598 --> 00:37:03,098
usually there's going to be some smart

789
00:37:03,098 --> 00:37:05,598
there's going to be somebody who figures this out

790
00:37:05,598 --> 00:37:09,638
but yeah, I'm here for it.

791
00:37:09,718 --> 00:37:10,358
It should be interesting.

792
00:37:10,938 --> 00:37:13,618
I do wonder what he means exactly by the metaphor.

793
00:37:13,618 --> 00:37:17,378
Does he mean that at some point LLMs are going to be generating

794
00:37:17,378 --> 00:37:21,138
all the content on the web and so it's like slurping up

795
00:37:21,138 --> 00:37:22,458
all of its own content?

796
00:37:22,458 --> 00:37:25,198
I want to say something about that too

797
00:37:25,198 --> 00:37:27,758
I think the metaphor is unfit

798
00:37:27,758 --> 00:37:30,078
If you look up

799
00:37:30,078 --> 00:37:31,198
The snake eating its tail

800
00:37:31,198 --> 00:37:32,638
Which is like a sacred

801
00:37:32,638 --> 00:37:35,078
Symbol of

802
00:37:35,078 --> 00:37:37,458
Eternal cycles, self creation

803
00:37:37,458 --> 00:37:39,378
Unity, representing

804
00:37:39,378 --> 00:37:42,018
Life, death and rebirth as an endless loop

805
00:37:42,018 --> 00:37:44,978
It also has a name

806
00:37:44,978 --> 00:37:45,638
It's known as

807
00:37:45,638 --> 00:37:46,818
Uroboros

808
00:37:46,818 --> 00:37:48,918
And I think

809
00:37:48,918 --> 00:37:51,478
That looks like shit

810
00:37:51,478 --> 00:37:57,878
just the just the ai generated image of it and it's a secret symbol so that's what i want to say

811
00:37:57,878 --> 00:38:06,318
about it interesting i didn't i didn't um realize that until just now um yeah i think uh i think

812
00:38:06,318 --> 00:38:12,458
we'll see anybody want to make any bold predictions right here live or should i do it

813
00:38:12,458 --> 00:38:19,258
bold predictions bold predictions that you can't take back let's do it let's make fools of ourselves

814
00:38:19,258 --> 00:38:21,838
I don't

815
00:38:21,838 --> 00:38:24,298
I don't know if I have any

816
00:38:24,298 --> 00:38:25,458
I don't think I have any prediction

817
00:38:25,458 --> 00:38:26,998
I'm not really a big prediction person

818
00:38:26,998 --> 00:38:29,458
I definitely think books will not go away

819
00:38:29,458 --> 00:38:30,698
neither will blocks

820
00:38:30,698 --> 00:38:32,498
so that's my bold prediction

821
00:38:32,498 --> 00:38:35,238
yeah I agree with what you said Keon

822
00:38:35,238 --> 00:38:36,478
the book is for you

823
00:38:36,478 --> 00:38:39,918
yeah and you hope to find other people

824
00:38:39,918 --> 00:38:41,318
who are like you

825
00:38:41,318 --> 00:38:42,998
by writing it almost

826
00:38:42,998 --> 00:38:45,378
I also think

827
00:38:45,378 --> 00:38:47,338
just in general I think just more

828
00:38:47,338 --> 00:38:49,758
real-world stuff is going to become far more valuable.

829
00:38:50,678 --> 00:38:54,738
We're already kind of seeing it already now with just with everything.

830
00:38:54,878 --> 00:38:56,998
I think just real-world stuff is going to become valuable.

831
00:38:57,238 --> 00:39:01,798
So I think a lot of the stuff that we see on the web is just going to become far less valuable.

832
00:39:02,738 --> 00:39:08,498
I wrote a post about this, I think, maybe a year or two ago when some of this AI stuff was breaking

833
00:39:08,498 --> 00:39:11,518
or when there was like a little bit of an outcry around this.

834
00:39:11,638 --> 00:39:15,838
And I would think I was watching a lot of Star Wars stuff.

835
00:39:15,838 --> 00:39:19,318
and I was wondering if, like, why Star Wars was in the future.

836
00:39:19,778 --> 00:39:23,118
And they had a lot of advanced tech, but no one was on a device all day.

837
00:39:24,218 --> 00:39:28,218
And just thinking through that, I was like,

838
00:39:28,278 --> 00:39:31,478
well, maybe what happens is just, like, the social web collapses.

839
00:39:31,958 --> 00:39:33,838
Like, there is no, because it's all,

840
00:39:34,198 --> 00:39:37,038
and maybe what happened is all their computers got so smart

841
00:39:37,038 --> 00:39:38,518
and their technology got so advanced

842
00:39:38,518 --> 00:39:39,738
that it

843
00:39:39,738 --> 00:39:42,738
like Sybil attacked the entire

844
00:39:42,738 --> 00:39:44,498
digital

845
00:39:44,498 --> 00:39:47,018
life and you didn't

846
00:39:47,018 --> 00:39:48,758
know what was real and what was fake anymore

847
00:39:48,758 --> 00:39:50,198
and so you had to rely on

848
00:39:50,198 --> 00:39:52,998
real life again. There's also

849
00:39:52,998 --> 00:39:54,598
something safe about your thoughts

850
00:39:54,598 --> 00:39:56,538
being inside only your head.

851
00:39:59,858 --> 00:40:00,738
The other thing

852
00:40:00,738 --> 00:40:03,038
just to touch on what Kian said is the credits.

853
00:40:03,298 --> 00:40:04,818
I think that's a really dead

854
00:40:04,818 --> 00:40:06,658
giveaway is how they explain money

855
00:40:06,658 --> 00:40:08,018
in Star Wars.

856
00:40:08,518 --> 00:40:09,358
That's fascinating.

857
00:40:09,998 --> 00:40:13,578
Oh, I don't, I don't, I don't, I'm not familiar, I don't think exactly.

858
00:40:13,718 --> 00:40:16,158
Oh, there was a post on Saccharides about that many years ago.

859
00:40:16,198 --> 00:40:16,378
Yeah.

860
00:40:16,498 --> 00:40:18,138
About the monetary systems.

861
00:40:18,938 --> 00:40:20,078
Topher, you got any thoughts on this?

862
00:40:21,998 --> 00:40:23,358
Snake eating its own tail?

863
00:40:24,078 --> 00:40:25,478
Yeah, you know what that symbol means?

864
00:40:25,778 --> 00:40:26,718
Oh, the Ouroboros?

865
00:40:26,818 --> 00:40:27,658
Yeah, it's an old symbol.

866
00:40:27,958 --> 00:40:30,718
It's like, if you're going to use it, get the name in there.

867
00:40:30,718 --> 00:40:32,138
I'm mad about it.

868
00:40:32,138 --> 00:40:36,898
sounds like a blood poet has a lower back tattoo of a

869
00:40:36,898 --> 00:40:38,638
or a Boris.

870
00:40:41,658 --> 00:40:44,478
I mean, we're already past the Rubicon.

871
00:40:46,318 --> 00:40:51,458
But I don't think AI can really generate novel things.

872
00:40:51,938 --> 00:40:53,758
It still relies on humans for that.

873
00:40:53,758 --> 00:40:58,098
So I don't think we're going to be replaced with paperclips

874
00:40:58,098 --> 00:41:00,138
anytime soon.

875
00:41:00,138 --> 00:41:06,218
i mean i think i think it does a pretty good i don't know it depends on how you think of creativity

876
00:41:06,218 --> 00:41:13,118
but i think you can i think we can reduce it to an algorithm at some point creativity

877
00:41:13,118 --> 00:41:20,798
i don't know a process that generates novelty can somehow but what about you're what you're

878
00:41:20,798 --> 00:41:30,118
talking about is like like yeah there's no like i know what you're saying and i think it can to a

879
00:41:30,118 --> 00:41:34,278
They don't come from like an algorithm.

880
00:41:34,278 --> 00:41:45,936
So they come from a higher thing that you have to tap into as a human And I think we all connected in that way so i just unless it can recreate a brain and a soul like that just it not gonna be possible

881
00:41:45,936 --> 00:41:50,456
for it to like really think outside the box we've had this conversation before on the podcast but i

882
00:41:50,456 --> 00:41:59,996
think i think i think machines will have souls and you know whatever that statement just makes no

883
00:41:59,996 --> 00:42:04,976
sense um i don't know if you want to wake up thinking that your coffee machine has a soul

884
00:42:04,976 --> 00:42:11,196
yeah i would love for everything to have a soul maybe everything does have a soul there are some

885
00:42:11,196 --> 00:42:14,796
there are some religions that believe that i believe that

886
00:42:14,796 --> 00:42:24,416
plants have plants but then there's but then there are others that are like everything is soul

887
00:42:24,416 --> 00:42:25,496
It's one soul.

888
00:42:25,776 --> 00:42:36,436
We are just like, we're each like wrinkles in the soul and like a concentration of the soul in the way that like a blanket will have a fold in it.

889
00:42:37,656 --> 00:42:41,756
Like we are just a local concentration of soul.

890
00:42:41,756 --> 00:42:43,816
That is some branches.

891
00:42:44,356 --> 00:42:57,776
But do you think that machines with AI have the right architecture to be a vessel for a soul?

892
00:42:58,496 --> 00:43:00,436
I think they will eventually be.

893
00:43:00,656 --> 00:43:01,596
That's a great question.

894
00:43:02,676 --> 00:43:04,196
I think they will eventually be.

895
00:43:04,236 --> 00:43:08,136
Because our goal is to make them human-like or superhuman-like.

896
00:43:08,136 --> 00:43:10,416
so I think

897
00:43:10,416 --> 00:43:11,856
we'll keep going there

898
00:43:11,856 --> 00:43:14,296
five years ago people would have said

899
00:43:14,296 --> 00:43:15,976
AI couldn't do what it currently does

900
00:43:15,976 --> 00:43:17,436
I was waiting for somebody to make a bold claim

901
00:43:17,436 --> 00:43:18,156
this is the one

902
00:43:18,156 --> 00:43:21,316
and now everyone is saying

903
00:43:21,316 --> 00:43:22,556
oh yes AI

904
00:43:22,556 --> 00:43:27,776
so AI defied all my expectations

905
00:43:27,776 --> 00:43:30,876
but it'll never have this now

906
00:43:30,876 --> 00:43:33,136
and my statement is

907
00:43:33,136 --> 00:43:34,076
if we want it to have it

908
00:43:34,076 --> 00:43:34,936
we'll make it have it

909
00:43:34,936 --> 00:43:36,356
because we're going to pay a bunch of people

910
00:43:36,356 --> 00:43:39,996
and there'll be tons of human lives spent trying to make it happen.

911
00:43:40,736 --> 00:43:44,156
And at some point, people will be trying to put souls in machines.

912
00:43:45,596 --> 00:43:47,016
Yeah, but that's what you just said.

913
00:43:47,116 --> 00:43:48,916
Like, that statement doesn't make any sense.

914
00:43:49,236 --> 00:43:50,236
Like, from a biblical sense.

915
00:43:50,236 --> 00:43:50,536
I think it makes perfect.

916
00:43:50,736 --> 00:43:53,116
From a biblical sense, it doesn't make any sense at all.

917
00:43:53,356 --> 00:43:55,056
Like, that's what I'm saying.

918
00:43:55,056 --> 00:43:59,676
Like, it would require something that humans can't do.

919
00:44:00,256 --> 00:44:02,396
And technology can't do that because it comes from humans.

920
00:44:02,716 --> 00:44:04,376
So, yeah, it's just not possible.

921
00:44:05,196 --> 00:44:06,296
I understand what you're saying.

922
00:44:06,916 --> 00:44:07,776
Like, I understand what you're saying.

923
00:44:07,816 --> 00:44:10,636
You're saying that from, like, an engineering perspective,

924
00:44:11,276 --> 00:44:16,936
you could put something together that it would look like

925
00:44:16,936 --> 00:44:20,356
or feel like something that could resemble a soul,

926
00:44:20,876 --> 00:44:23,276
but that's, I don't know if you've seen Ex Machina recently.

927
00:44:23,896 --> 00:44:25,896
I just watched it again, like, a month ago,

928
00:44:25,996 --> 00:44:27,676
and it kind of talks about this stuff,

929
00:44:28,076 --> 00:44:29,456
and it's just not possible.

930
00:44:29,536 --> 00:44:32,956
I don't think possibility fits into this,

931
00:44:32,956 --> 00:44:37,516
And to your point about it not making sense in a biblical sense,

932
00:44:37,536 --> 00:44:41,396
there's lots of things about modern life that don't make biblical sense.

933
00:44:41,496 --> 00:44:42,856
Yeah, but we're talking about a soul.

934
00:44:43,916 --> 00:44:50,396
No, but you're talking about what God wants machines to be.

935
00:44:51,036 --> 00:44:55,496
And I'm saying I don't know what God wants machines to be.

936
00:44:55,836 --> 00:44:59,476
No, you're saying, you actually just said it.

937
00:44:59,476 --> 00:45:04,256
You said that humans want to be gods to tell what machines to be.

938
00:45:04,376 --> 00:45:05,396
I didn't say humans want to be gods.

939
00:45:05,416 --> 00:45:06,496
Well, that's what you're kind of saying.

940
00:45:07,376 --> 00:45:09,756
Let me just finish this last thing.

941
00:45:09,996 --> 00:45:14,816
What I'm trying to say is that it's not possible to put a soul into a machine.

942
00:45:15,876 --> 00:45:16,576
Do you understand what I'm saying?

943
00:45:16,656 --> 00:45:19,916
It's like taking your soul key on and putting it into a machine.

944
00:45:20,016 --> 00:45:20,636
That's not possible.

945
00:45:21,296 --> 00:45:21,476
That's a hypothesis.

946
00:45:21,476 --> 00:45:22,996
We could probably, let me finish, let me finish.

947
00:45:22,996 --> 00:45:29,616
We could replicate your brain and probably, and it will have the same looks, likes, and like characters as you.

948
00:45:29,716 --> 00:45:31,856
And maybe we would be like, oh, that feels like Keon's soul.

949
00:45:32,196 --> 00:45:33,836
But it wouldn't actually be your soul.

950
00:45:34,396 --> 00:45:35,096
Does that make sense?

951
00:45:35,936 --> 00:45:37,956
I already, I understand your perspective.

952
00:45:38,196 --> 00:45:48,136
I just don't, I think making statements of facts like it's not possible or it is possible is, I just think it's, I just think it's not, I think it's not true.

953
00:45:48,336 --> 00:45:51,096
This is why the show's good because we both come from two sides like that.

954
00:45:51,096 --> 00:45:53,096
Can I fan the flames even more?

955
00:45:53,276 --> 00:45:54,116
Yeah, go for it, Tepher.

956
00:45:54,676 --> 00:45:55,436
This is good stuff.

957
00:45:55,716 --> 00:45:56,396
It's good for the show.

958
00:45:56,396 --> 00:46:05,396
Do you think that we can build a machine that is capable of receiving divine inspiration

959
00:46:05,396 --> 00:46:08,616
or some form of connection to God, actually?

960
00:46:10,136 --> 00:46:10,636
Yes.

961
00:46:10,736 --> 00:46:12,656
So it's just like a matter of architecture.

962
00:46:12,896 --> 00:46:14,696
Like we just have to design it right.

963
00:46:14,696 --> 00:46:22,636
I'm not sure the decision is up to frame this, I think, the way that we'll all agree.

964
00:46:22,956 --> 00:46:25,556
I don't think the decision is up to the people building the machine.

965
00:46:26,116 --> 00:46:27,556
I think they're going to build a machine,

966
00:46:28,396 --> 00:46:33,956
and then God is going to say this machine is worthy of a soul and give it a soul.

967
00:46:33,956 --> 00:46:37,376
I think what you're saying, Topher, I think you could probably,

968
00:46:37,856 --> 00:46:41,116
to me it almost seems like you could probably map the human brain in a way

969
00:46:41,116 --> 00:46:45,276
that it could receive signals if you could replicate like a human brain

970
00:46:45,276 --> 00:46:47,596
in all its like things or whatever.

971
00:46:47,716 --> 00:46:48,056
All its glory.

972
00:46:48,276 --> 00:46:48,576
Yeah.

973
00:46:48,576 --> 00:46:51,156
And then maybe that would be something that,

974
00:46:51,636 --> 00:46:56,096
but even then that's kind of like so out there.

975
00:46:56,216 --> 00:46:57,236
There's a great book.

976
00:46:57,376 --> 00:46:58,576
Gosh, what's the name of it?

977
00:46:58,836 --> 00:47:05,836
It's, no, no, it's by, it's by, it's like the question of the universe.

978
00:47:06,576 --> 00:47:07,196
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

979
00:47:07,196 --> 00:47:08,696
You know what, you remember I was talking to you about?

980
00:47:08,816 --> 00:47:09,256
Maybe I was talking to you.

981
00:47:09,256 --> 00:47:10,756
It's like an Isaac Asimov story.

982
00:47:10,756 --> 00:47:12,516
Yeah, yeah, and it talks about that.

983
00:47:13,456 --> 00:47:15,976
That's what it kind of sounds like when Keynote says stuff like this,

984
00:47:16,016 --> 00:47:17,876
because it's like a – I'll post it in the show notes,

985
00:47:17,976 --> 00:47:20,196
but it talks about how there's like a question,

986
00:47:20,356 --> 00:47:23,896
and it keeps asking – AI keeps asking that question

987
00:47:23,896 --> 00:47:27,776
until all the humans are dead, and it's wondering like why –

988
00:47:27,776 --> 00:47:29,896
like why is that?

989
00:47:30,136 --> 00:47:30,716
What happened?

990
00:47:31,156 --> 00:47:32,676
It's like, well, everybody's dead.

991
00:47:32,676 --> 00:47:35,536
It's like a very long-running claw task.

992
00:47:35,916 --> 00:47:37,316
Yeah, that never got –

993
00:47:37,316 --> 00:47:37,696
It's grinding around.

994
00:47:39,876 --> 00:47:40,356
Anyways.

995
00:47:40,756 --> 00:48:08,276
Yeah. Well, so like I have the opinion that artificial intelligence maybe not may not be artificial that as we like go down this road with AI that we might find that instead of like creating artificial intelligence, we're just tapping into the same algorithms for intelligence that our human brains are tapping into biologically.

996
00:48:08,276 --> 00:48:10,956
just like a different, we do it in a different way.

997
00:48:11,476 --> 00:48:18,356
But I don't know how we then make the leap that like a machine can talk to God.

998
00:48:18,656 --> 00:48:19,996
I'm not saying it's impossible.

999
00:48:20,816 --> 00:48:21,596
It's just that.

1000
00:48:21,896 --> 00:48:24,296
I didn't know how we made the leap to get to here, I guess is my point.

1001
00:48:24,696 --> 00:48:27,996
And so I just feel like I don't have any foresight.

1002
00:48:28,996 --> 00:48:34,436
And I don't, I don't, I just think, I think that humans are incredible

1003
00:48:34,436 --> 00:48:39,816
and will get done what they want to get done,

1004
00:48:40,356 --> 00:48:41,156
given enough time.

1005
00:48:42,156 --> 00:48:44,896
And if they want to make something comparable to a human

1006
00:48:44,896 --> 00:48:49,496
that God chooses to put a soul into, they will.

1007
00:48:50,056 --> 00:48:52,476
I mean, it doesn't even have to be a human pursuit.

1008
00:48:52,616 --> 00:48:54,496
What if the machines pick this up?

1009
00:48:55,056 --> 00:48:58,076
Yeah, they're working on themselves to give themselves souls

1010
00:48:58,076 --> 00:49:00,556
or to be worthy of souls.

1011
00:49:01,136 --> 00:49:03,636
However you need to view it.

1012
00:49:03,636 --> 00:49:05,376
I like, yeah, what is natural?

1013
00:49:05,576 --> 00:49:06,696
What is natural intelligence?

1014
00:49:07,036 --> 00:49:08,336
What is natural period?

1015
00:49:08,416 --> 00:49:09,236
What is natural food?

1016
00:49:09,376 --> 00:49:12,456
You could say, oh, it's natural if it doesn't get cooked.

1017
00:49:12,576 --> 00:49:15,416
But then it's like, well, maybe it was like bread, selectively bread.

1018
00:49:15,936 --> 00:49:22,096
Or, you know, maybe humans simply being located near it affected its evolution.

1019
00:49:22,236 --> 00:49:23,876
Is that still natural?

1020
00:49:23,876 --> 00:49:26,616
And so, like, natural is kind of a weird word.

1021
00:49:27,316 --> 00:49:28,156
So is artificial.

1022
00:49:28,876 --> 00:49:30,596
Everything is so intertwined.

1023
00:49:30,756 --> 00:49:31,016
Yes.

1024
00:49:33,016 --> 00:49:33,456
Okay.

1025
00:49:33,636 --> 00:49:35,456
all right well

1026
00:49:35,456 --> 00:49:38,096
snake in its own tail

1027
00:49:38,096 --> 00:49:40,576
yeah this all came out of this one post

1028
00:49:40,576 --> 00:49:42,656
I'm glad I picked this post today

1029
00:49:42,656 --> 00:49:44,136
I was like dang I thought it was interesting

1030
00:49:44,136 --> 00:49:46,316
I didn't know where it was going to lead to but good stuff

1031
00:49:46,316 --> 00:49:48,676
the next one I'm going to jump into is

1032
00:49:48,676 --> 00:49:50,296
this one here so this

1033
00:49:50,296 --> 00:49:52,476
AI cloud startup run pod

1034
00:49:52,476 --> 00:49:54,356
hits 120 million in ARR

1035
00:49:54,356 --> 00:49:56,476
they were they basically

1036
00:49:56,476 --> 00:49:58,576
did it from this reddit post so if you click here

1037
00:49:58,576 --> 00:49:59,636
they talk about how they

1038
00:49:59,636 --> 00:50:02,556
were just two young lands working

1039
00:50:02,556 --> 00:50:08,456
on this thing and then they decided to give away their product for free on um on reddit they used

1040
00:50:08,456 --> 00:50:16,876
to be uh ethereum miners and then they switched over to doing like um um what is it here let me see

1041
00:50:16,876 --> 00:50:22,196
i forget the yeah they we felt that actual experience of developing software on top of

1042
00:50:22,196 --> 00:50:30,876
gpus was just hot garbage and then they go into um they wanted to they wanted to turn their

1043
00:50:30,876 --> 00:50:34,656
platform for hosting AI apps, synthesizing speed, easily configured hardware, all that

1044
00:50:34,656 --> 00:50:35,516
kind of stuff, dev tools.

1045
00:50:35,996 --> 00:50:37,036
And then they posted it on Reddit.

1046
00:50:37,196 --> 00:50:38,976
And then sure enough, it's still there.

1047
00:50:39,036 --> 00:50:43,676
If you click on this, it shows their first post.

1048
00:50:44,516 --> 00:50:47,336
And with all that, they met all the right people.

1049
00:50:47,336 --> 00:50:50,916
And before you know it, it basically kind of took off.

1050
00:50:51,636 --> 00:50:52,756
What do you think about that, Keon?

1051
00:50:55,996 --> 00:50:58,616
I don't know what I'm supposed to think about.

1052
00:50:59,056 --> 00:50:59,296
I don't know.

1053
00:50:59,436 --> 00:51:00,336
Bootstrapping growth with what?

1054
00:51:00,336 --> 00:51:07,396
with just a reddit post this is our first post oh um getting growth on reddit yeah reddit's a

1055
00:51:07,396 --> 00:51:11,096
great place to get but it says right here like my business partner and i are offering free compute

1056
00:51:11,096 --> 00:51:16,116
time on our platform in exchange for feedback please join our discord this was four years ago

1057
00:51:16,116 --> 00:51:24,696
and then they had people that um checked it out so i thought that was cool i think startups are cool

1058
00:51:24,696 --> 00:51:28,776
the next one I wanted to bring up

1059
00:51:28,776 --> 00:51:29,916
actually was that all of them?

1060
00:51:30,116 --> 00:51:31,516
yeah that's all our AI posts today

1061
00:51:31,516 --> 00:51:33,696
let's jump into

1062
00:51:33,696 --> 00:51:34,896
Keon's post

1063
00:51:34,896 --> 00:51:36,956
one of mine was an AI post

1064
00:51:36,956 --> 00:51:39,376
this is Pub Economist

1065
00:51:39,376 --> 00:51:40,036
what's this?

1066
00:51:41,416 --> 00:51:43,896
so Pub Economist expands on Undiscipline's

1067
00:51:43,896 --> 00:51:45,156
post on comparative advantage

1068
00:51:45,156 --> 00:51:46,376
I guess you shared this

1069
00:51:46,376 --> 00:51:49,656
cartoon a while ago on the saloon

1070
00:51:49,656 --> 00:51:51,636
this made three posts from that one cartoon

1071
00:51:51,636 --> 00:51:52,736
was there three?

1072
00:51:52,736 --> 00:51:54,656
Well, because I know Undisciplined did one.

1073
00:51:55,136 --> 00:51:56,576
Is this another one based on that?

1074
00:51:57,136 --> 00:51:57,776
Wow, man.

1075
00:51:58,556 --> 00:52:03,656
It would be cool to get a little kickback on all these posts I got made from my one comment, but it's okay.

1076
00:52:03,996 --> 00:52:06,996
Yeah, so I actually didn't know what comparative advantage was.

1077
00:52:07,076 --> 00:52:13,156
There's a lot of these things, either in math or economics, that sound like one thing, and they're used.

1078
00:52:13,976 --> 00:52:18,156
Oh, here, if I vibe-coded, basically the thing for people that are listening,

1079
00:52:18,156 --> 00:52:22,636
if I can vibe-code anything and everyone else can vibe-code anything, then what's my comparative advantage?

1080
00:52:22,736 --> 00:52:29,396
there he goes that's what that means there yeah and this is like a vibe cartooned cartoon probably

1081
00:52:29,396 --> 00:52:37,236
uh but there's like a like we a lot of these terms we use colloquially in a way that diverges from

1082
00:52:37,236 --> 00:52:45,116
the academic definition of them and so like a lot of us would say what is my advantage

1083
00:52:45,116 --> 00:52:49,036
compared to you, and that's my comparative advantage.

1084
00:52:50,836 --> 00:52:55,476
And I guess it has a more, and it's almost close.

1085
00:52:55,596 --> 00:52:58,476
There's another one like the least common denominator,

1086
00:52:59,116 --> 00:53:04,376
when people actually mean the lowest common denominator,

1087
00:53:04,376 --> 00:53:06,476
and what they actually mean is, I think,

1088
00:53:06,856 --> 00:53:10,836
it's like the highest common denominator,

1089
00:53:11,096 --> 00:53:12,896
but it sounds better to say lower,

1090
00:53:12,896 --> 00:53:15,276
So it's kind of related that way.

1091
00:53:15,456 --> 00:53:24,396
Anyway, both Undisciplined and SimpleStacker help us understand what comparative advantage means with some toy examples.

1092
00:53:25,516 --> 00:53:35,556
And this one relates to AI in that he's talking about comparative advantage before and after LLMs.

1093
00:53:35,556 --> 00:53:41,756
for people who have differing abilities to code things

1094
00:53:41,756 --> 00:53:44,296
and differing abilities to produce things that aren't code.

1095
00:53:45,636 --> 00:53:49,076
And so the person who, and comparative advantage,

1096
00:53:49,076 --> 00:53:53,616
the way I think of it at least is it's mostly about specialization.

1097
00:53:55,336 --> 00:54:00,016
And so even if you have someone who is superior at producing all goods themselves,

1098
00:54:00,016 --> 00:54:09,976
they can gain an advantage and end up with more goods or more things that they want by specializing

1099
00:54:09,976 --> 00:54:18,016
in something that they're particularly good at because yeah yeah it's it's why we have uh i mean

1100
00:54:18,016 --> 00:54:23,776
i felt like uh like for me personally like because we just hired a uh a sales partnership

1101
00:54:23,776 --> 00:54:29,956
person for pub lab and that feels like exactly what this post is is not allocating my own time

1102
00:54:29,956 --> 00:54:33,196
to things that I could be better used for,

1103
00:54:33,316 --> 00:54:34,216
if that makes any sense.

1104
00:54:34,356 --> 00:54:36,436
And there's a comparative advantage to that.

1105
00:54:37,136 --> 00:54:37,616
Yeah.

1106
00:54:37,856 --> 00:54:39,216
It's true.

1107
00:54:41,076 --> 00:54:41,816
That's true.

1108
00:54:42,316 --> 00:54:42,476
Yeah.

1109
00:54:42,956 --> 00:54:45,296
And then the LLM thing is interesting.

1110
00:54:47,416 --> 00:54:51,136
I wonder how accurate the model is

1111
00:54:51,136 --> 00:54:52,496
because one of the things that happens

1112
00:54:52,496 --> 00:54:54,636
is that as the LLMs are introduced,

1113
00:54:54,776 --> 00:54:56,736
the person who does not know how to code

1114
00:54:56,736 --> 00:54:58,836
is able to produce code units

1115
00:54:58,836 --> 00:55:05,916
than the comparative advantage of the developer,

1116
00:55:06,816 --> 00:55:12,836
or not the comparative advantage, but the...

1117
00:55:12,836 --> 00:55:14,636
I forget what he...

1118
00:55:14,636 --> 00:55:16,736
There's another economic word for this,

1119
00:55:16,816 --> 00:55:21,476
but it's like the ability with which the exchange rate

1120
00:55:21,476 --> 00:55:24,216
of their code units is now lower

1121
00:55:24,216 --> 00:55:27,016
because the non-developer can produce code.

1122
00:55:28,836 --> 00:55:34,116
And I wonder if that's, I think what happens is actually the LLMs are actually a multiplier.

1123
00:55:34,816 --> 00:55:40,376
And so if you're a developer producing code at like 20 units,

1124
00:55:40,376 --> 00:55:44,176
and LLMs are a 10x multiplier, you're now producing 200 units.

1125
00:55:44,576 --> 00:55:48,536
And the person who couldn't code at all is maybe producing 10.

1126
00:55:50,716 --> 00:55:53,376
I think it's probably somewhat like that.

1127
00:55:53,376 --> 00:55:58,236
and not so much like the developer now has no tools

1128
00:55:58,236 --> 00:56:02,136
or no additional productivity gain.

1129
00:56:02,596 --> 00:56:06,796
Anyway, all this stuff is fun to think about,

1130
00:56:07,036 --> 00:56:08,356
and this was a good post, that's why.

1131
00:56:08,776 --> 00:56:09,056
Yeah.

1132
00:56:09,336 --> 00:56:13,236
Is it more like saying competitive advantage when we use it

1133
00:56:13,236 --> 00:56:14,396
rather than saying comparative?

1134
00:56:15,336 --> 00:56:16,376
No, it's compare.

1135
00:56:16,596 --> 00:56:17,216
Yeah, it's compare.

1136
00:56:17,216 --> 00:56:21,516
Yeah, it's like, so it might help to,

1137
00:56:21,516 --> 00:56:24,676
So undisciplined explains absolute advantage,

1138
00:56:24,916 --> 00:56:30,496
which is like if you have a country that does everything better than every other country,

1139
00:56:31,096 --> 00:56:35,376
that they produce everything themselves and do it better than anyone else,

1140
00:56:35,556 --> 00:56:37,336
they have an absolute advantage,

1141
00:56:38,416 --> 00:56:42,076
yet another country can have a comparative advantage

1142
00:56:42,076 --> 00:56:46,036
by specializing in one thing

1143
00:56:46,036 --> 00:56:51,736
that another country is maybe not specialized in.

1144
00:56:51,836 --> 00:56:54,796
So comparative is more about the sum of the advantage.

1145
00:56:59,236 --> 00:57:01,056
I don't know what you mean by that.

1146
00:57:02,576 --> 00:57:06,016
So comparing, like, rather than having an absolute advantage,

1147
00:57:06,596 --> 00:57:09,736
specializing gives you comparative advantage

1148
00:57:09,736 --> 00:57:11,776
because you have more than you would have

1149
00:57:11,776 --> 00:57:14,276
if you were doing the same thing the absolute guy was doing.

1150
00:57:16,036 --> 00:57:20,316
I think you have more than they do compared to them.

1151
00:57:22,216 --> 00:57:25,956
So the sum of your advantage is more than it would be

1152
00:57:25,956 --> 00:57:27,976
if you weren't playing a specialized game.

1153
00:57:29,836 --> 00:57:31,276
I guess, yeah, that might be true.

1154
00:57:31,276 --> 00:57:32,516
I think the easiest way to explain it,

1155
00:57:32,576 --> 00:57:34,496
at least for me and my understanding of it,

1156
00:57:34,496 --> 00:57:38,576
is just like back in the probably like, I don't know,

1157
00:57:40,436 --> 00:57:44,956
B.C. times, towns and places started to form

1158
00:57:44,956 --> 00:57:47,956
because there was people that were gathering together

1159
00:57:47,956 --> 00:57:50,616
made everything more safer.

1160
00:57:50,876 --> 00:57:52,216
There was a little bit more abundance.

1161
00:57:52,456 --> 00:57:53,596
People were trading with each other.

1162
00:57:54,076 --> 00:57:55,896
So there was a comparative advantage

1163
00:57:55,896 --> 00:57:57,576
about grouping together as humans.

1164
00:57:58,176 --> 00:58:02,436
Over time, that abundancy and that specialization

1165
00:58:02,436 --> 00:58:07,256
got optimized for other things

1166
00:58:07,256 --> 00:58:09,576
and up the scales that it went

1167
00:58:09,576 --> 00:58:11,176
into where we are now,

1168
00:58:11,176 --> 00:58:14,976
where like now we can pretty much, you know, order food here.

1169
00:58:15,056 --> 00:58:17,816
We can get a car, like all these things and all this stuff is built.

1170
00:58:17,816 --> 00:58:20,976
And from my understanding, to me, it sounds kind of like that.

1171
00:58:21,056 --> 00:58:23,676
It's just like over time, you're just going to have to optimize

1172
00:58:23,676 --> 00:58:28,636
for something that is far more valuable for your time

1173
00:58:28,636 --> 00:58:30,876
versus somebody else's time who's, you know,

1174
00:58:30,916 --> 00:58:37,116
either trading something with you or, yeah, I think that makes sense.

1175
00:58:38,116 --> 00:58:38,916
Check out this post.

1176
00:58:38,916 --> 00:58:43,716
This is the one that Undisplained explained to me about what we were talking about earlier.

1177
00:58:44,416 --> 00:58:48,776
And he was talking about how podcasts and Vibe-coded apps and stuff like that.

1178
00:58:50,096 --> 00:58:52,756
And then this one is kind of a thing to it.

1179
00:58:54,356 --> 00:58:54,616
Yeah.

1180
00:58:55,076 --> 00:58:57,856
I feel like we're going to talk about comparative advantage for a really long time

1181
00:58:57,856 --> 00:59:00,616
as we kind of go through this AI movement.

1182
00:59:01,416 --> 00:59:02,236
It'll become more important.

1183
00:59:02,236 --> 00:59:07,776
the other one that you had

1184
00:59:07,776 --> 00:59:08,956
key on was this one

1185
00:59:08,956 --> 00:59:11,776
how AI is destroying institutions

1186
00:59:11,776 --> 00:59:13,076
yeah

1187
00:59:13,076 --> 00:59:14,956
optimism covered this

1188
00:59:14,956 --> 00:59:17,356
I think this was out of

1189
00:59:17,356 --> 00:59:19,776
a law and society group

1190
00:59:19,776 --> 00:59:21,176
or professor at Stanford

1191
00:59:21,176 --> 00:59:23,576
they wrote about AI

1192
00:59:23,576 --> 00:59:25,096
as it relates to institutions

1193
00:59:25,096 --> 00:59:27,556
and it seemed like

1194
00:59:27,556 --> 00:59:29,556
it did a pretty bad job of it

1195
00:59:29,556 --> 00:59:31,676
you have a lot of people who I think have

1196
00:59:31,676 --> 00:59:39,076
a point of view and then they use technology to communicate that point of view and that's

1197
00:59:39,076 --> 00:59:46,356
more or less what I got what I perceive as happening through optimism summary of

1198
00:59:46,356 --> 00:59:54,236
this article that was written in the article they they say that

1199
00:59:54,236 --> 01:00:04,096
AI is destroying institutions by people misusing it.

1200
01:00:06,436 --> 01:00:07,416
Here's a new tool.

1201
01:00:07,536 --> 01:00:08,436
People are misusing it.

1202
01:00:08,576 --> 01:00:11,276
They're going to keep doing bad things with it,

1203
01:00:11,616 --> 01:00:12,996
like they've been doing with other things.

1204
01:00:13,136 --> 01:00:16,276
But perhaps the argument you could make

1205
01:00:16,276 --> 01:00:20,076
is they're going to do it at better scalability now or whatever.

1206
01:00:20,076 --> 01:00:24,876
and he compares it to another open source technology

1207
01:00:24,876 --> 01:00:27,156
that's likely used for both good and bad

1208
01:00:27,156 --> 01:00:30,116
and you could make

1209
01:00:30,116 --> 01:00:32,976
mirrors their arguments with this

1210
01:00:32,976 --> 01:00:36,876
everyone would say is innocuous open source project

1211
01:00:36,876 --> 01:00:37,856
which is just a database

1212
01:00:37,856 --> 01:00:40,956
is a database evil?

1213
01:00:40,956 --> 01:00:43,416
is a database contributing to society's else?

1214
01:00:43,476 --> 01:00:46,096
no, it's like humans choosing to misuse it

1215
01:00:46,096 --> 01:00:51,196
yeah, a lot of this reminds me of some of the stuff around privacy

1216
01:00:51,196 --> 01:00:55,656
and social media and just like big tech in general,

1217
01:00:55,896 --> 01:00:58,156
where everyone's like, big tech is destroying privacy,

1218
01:00:58,156 --> 01:01:01,696
and it's like, no, people are using big tech to destroy privacy,

1219
01:01:01,916 --> 01:01:06,936
and it's like, they're not going back far enough to the root cause.

1220
01:01:07,596 --> 01:01:09,716
Similar thing here, it feels like, but

1221
01:01:09,716 --> 01:01:19,536
But it gives them a new way to say things that they've been saying for a while.

1222
01:01:21,976 --> 01:01:25,296
And yeah, that's why I wanted to bring this one up.

1223
01:01:25,956 --> 01:01:26,256
Cool.

1224
01:01:27,016 --> 01:01:28,096
Jenna, you got anything on this?

1225
01:01:30,676 --> 01:01:31,076
No.

1226
01:01:33,816 --> 01:01:35,896
I was going to print it in the zine,

1227
01:01:35,896 --> 01:01:40,996
but I thought it would be a really difficult job to take the quotes out

1228
01:01:40,996 --> 01:01:43,856
as well as his comments on the quotes out,

1229
01:01:44,236 --> 01:01:46,616
and it would just be back and forth the whole time to read.

1230
01:01:46,936 --> 01:01:50,356
So that's my contemplation on the thing.

1231
01:01:50,956 --> 01:01:55,036
Do you want to talk about the zine right now, or do you want to do the last?

1232
01:01:58,156 --> 01:01:59,616
Did you publish the zine yet?

1233
01:01:59,816 --> 01:02:01,296
Yeah, it's in the comments.

1234
01:02:01,936 --> 01:02:02,876
Oh, it was in the comments?

1235
01:02:02,876 --> 01:02:03,236
Yeah.

1236
01:02:04,776 --> 01:02:05,596
Yeah, sorry.

1237
01:02:05,896 --> 01:02:10,136
And it's right here.

1238
01:02:10,136 --> 01:02:17,136
So thanks.

1239
01:02:17,136 --> 01:02:20,336
The theme is circles this week.

1240
01:02:20,336 --> 01:02:21,336
Is it really circles?

1241
01:02:21,336 --> 01:02:23,456
Yeah, it was kind of circles.

1242
01:02:23,456 --> 01:02:34,854
And everything moves in circles they say Look this is I going to pass it to you and you can feel and tell me what you think about this paper Is this newspaper Newsprint as they call it in the biz

1243
01:02:35,094 --> 01:02:36,594
And he says, is it newspaper?

1244
01:02:36,934 --> 01:02:38,774
Well, it is Stacker News.

1245
01:02:38,974 --> 01:02:39,614
It is the news.

1246
01:02:39,834 --> 01:02:40,414
Stacker newspaper.

1247
01:02:40,834 --> 01:02:41,694
Stacker newspaper.

1248
01:02:42,774 --> 01:02:43,754
Why is it backwards?

1249
01:02:43,774 --> 01:02:44,334
Paper edition.

1250
01:02:44,874 --> 01:02:47,294
Oh, that's just like a test print.

1251
01:02:47,314 --> 01:02:47,714
Oh, okay.

1252
01:02:48,334 --> 01:02:50,194
What are you doing with this dog here?

1253
01:02:50,394 --> 01:02:51,074
What is that?

1254
01:02:52,194 --> 01:02:53,214
What is this?

1255
01:02:53,214 --> 01:02:55,574
There's like a dog.

1256
01:02:56,354 --> 01:02:56,814
A what?

1257
01:02:57,154 --> 01:02:57,694
This one right here?

1258
01:02:57,774 --> 01:02:58,274
That image?

1259
01:02:59,354 --> 01:03:00,574
Are you calling that a dog?

1260
01:03:00,914 --> 01:03:01,454
Is that a dog?

1261
01:03:01,534 --> 01:03:02,454
It's another dog, dude.

1262
01:03:02,494 --> 01:03:03,314
Everything is a dog.

1263
01:03:03,934 --> 01:03:05,154
Oh, it's a cat.

1264
01:03:05,354 --> 01:03:06,134
It's not a cat.

1265
01:03:06,454 --> 01:03:07,094
What is it?

1266
01:03:07,714 --> 01:03:09,274
A puppet, I believe.

1267
01:03:09,514 --> 01:03:10,634
No, no, this right here.

1268
01:03:11,354 --> 01:03:12,074
Oh, that's a cat.

1269
01:03:12,234 --> 01:03:12,714
Oh, okay.

1270
01:03:12,914 --> 01:03:14,314
It's a cat in a really weird posture.

1271
01:03:14,314 --> 01:03:15,014
That's really cool.

1272
01:03:15,294 --> 01:03:15,974
That's a cat.

1273
01:03:16,314 --> 01:03:16,854
Good job.

1274
01:03:16,894 --> 01:03:17,794
Oh, there's another cat.

1275
01:03:18,034 --> 01:03:19,554
I really like the newsprint.

1276
01:03:20,294 --> 01:03:21,574
I like the newsprint, too.

1277
01:03:21,574 --> 01:03:25,154
What's the difference as far as economies of scale?

1278
01:03:25,314 --> 01:03:25,814
I'm just kidding.

1279
01:03:26,474 --> 01:03:27,634
Is it more expensive?

1280
01:03:28,154 --> 01:03:30,594
I think it's probably comparable or cheaper.

1281
01:03:31,234 --> 01:03:31,614
Oh, cool.

1282
01:03:31,874 --> 01:03:35,814
It's got a creamy color, I would say.

1283
01:03:35,814 --> 01:03:39,574
The contrast is lower, so it's easier to read.

1284
01:03:39,734 --> 01:03:42,194
Easier to read, easier to flip through.

1285
01:03:43,914 --> 01:03:46,434
And the colors look brighter on it, I think.

1286
01:03:46,814 --> 01:03:47,374
It's not the web.

1287
01:03:47,434 --> 01:03:47,954
Yeah, we got the web.

1288
01:03:47,954 --> 01:03:50,614
It just feels more official, I guess.

1289
01:03:50,614 --> 01:03:51,914
It feels quality.

1290
01:03:52,174 --> 01:03:53,294
Yeah, that's what we're going to be.

1291
01:03:53,994 --> 01:03:55,374
I've had it for a long time.

1292
01:03:55,454 --> 01:03:56,694
I just forgot to be using it.

1293
01:03:57,914 --> 01:03:58,134
Yeah.

1294
01:03:59,074 --> 01:03:59,994
Cool stuff.

1295
01:04:00,494 --> 01:04:03,654
Check out the zine this week.

1296
01:04:04,254 --> 01:04:08,254
Yeah, we had a lot of people buy the zine last week and, like, back packages.

1297
01:04:09,534 --> 01:04:14,414
And we have to ship, like, 100 zines to Greece, and it's going to cost, like, $500.

1298
01:04:15,494 --> 01:04:17,114
Where's the back page?

1299
01:04:17,214 --> 01:04:18,174
There's no more back page?

1300
01:04:18,174 --> 01:04:20,674
or which is the back pitch?

1301
01:04:21,194 --> 01:04:22,654
Oh, I guess it's in the front, right?

1302
01:04:23,054 --> 01:04:23,854
Oh, right here.

1303
01:04:24,034 --> 01:04:25,394
You got it.

1304
01:04:25,534 --> 01:04:26,094
Oh, there it goes.

1305
01:04:26,214 --> 01:04:29,054
So there's a free, there's an ad back here.

1306
01:04:29,134 --> 01:04:29,954
Somebody got an ad.

1307
01:04:30,054 --> 01:04:31,334
So for B Market 21.

1308
01:04:32,234 --> 01:04:32,594
Boom.

1309
01:04:32,934 --> 01:04:33,434
There you go.

1310
01:04:33,834 --> 01:04:35,014
There was two ads.

1311
01:04:35,214 --> 01:04:36,354
Can you tell what the other one is?

1312
01:04:36,654 --> 01:04:38,094
Oh, is this what you were talking about the other day?

1313
01:04:38,114 --> 01:04:39,614
I didn't know if you wanted me to say that,

1314
01:04:39,694 --> 01:04:40,474
so I didn't bring it up.

1315
01:04:40,534 --> 01:04:40,954
It's okay.

1316
01:04:41,314 --> 01:04:41,774
Yeah, go ahead.

1317
01:04:41,854 --> 01:04:42,174
Tell them.

1318
01:04:42,634 --> 01:04:43,334
It's a heart.

1319
01:04:43,734 --> 01:04:44,374
What did Austin say?

1320
01:04:44,394 --> 01:04:45,194
I have nothing else.

1321
01:04:45,614 --> 01:04:48,154
It's not from, I don't think it's Austin's heart to me.

1322
01:04:48,174 --> 01:04:51,354
but it would be cute if it was

1323
01:04:51,354 --> 01:04:52,754
oh

1324
01:04:52,754 --> 01:04:55,514
so wait so you're saying somebody bought a heart

1325
01:04:55,514 --> 01:04:56,794
on the back of the zine

1326
01:04:56,794 --> 01:04:58,274
because they love the zine

1327
01:04:58,274 --> 01:04:59,914
oh interesting

1328
01:04:59,914 --> 01:05:03,414
well we'll see if they drop another mystery note

1329
01:05:03,414 --> 01:05:03,954
this week

1330
01:05:03,954 --> 01:05:05,354
could be good

1331
01:05:05,354 --> 01:05:06,994
could not be good

1332
01:05:06,994 --> 01:05:08,114
or it could end

1333
01:05:08,114 --> 01:05:09,854
stay tuned

1334
01:05:09,854 --> 01:05:12,494
but yeah b market 21 looks kind of cool

1335
01:05:12,494 --> 01:05:13,774
it does

1336
01:05:13,774 --> 01:05:16,434
it's like a grocery

1337
01:05:16,434 --> 01:05:17,794
it's like an online grocery

1338
01:05:18,174 --> 01:05:19,174
Specialty grocery, maybe?

1339
01:05:19,394 --> 01:05:19,574
Yeah.

1340
01:05:19,654 --> 01:05:20,754
Would be the way to describe it.

1341
01:05:20,794 --> 01:05:21,834
But I think it's based in Europe.

1342
01:05:22,054 --> 01:05:23,694
I wonder if they ship to the United States.

1343
01:05:23,754 --> 01:05:24,354
I didn't check.

1344
01:05:25,234 --> 01:05:26,514
Things are priced in sats.

1345
01:05:27,834 --> 01:05:28,534
Yeah, that's cool.

1346
01:05:28,614 --> 01:05:29,814
I like how you did that little thing there.

1347
01:05:29,974 --> 01:05:30,394
That's cool.

1348
01:05:31,054 --> 01:05:31,734
The little whirl.

1349
01:05:31,954 --> 01:05:37,574
Oh, and shout out to my niece, Cora, because I got her little drawings up in there.

1350
01:05:37,714 --> 01:05:38,094
Which one?

1351
01:05:38,394 --> 01:05:42,514
Those little stick people up at the top of the second page.

1352
01:05:42,534 --> 01:05:43,734
Is that you and Austin?

1353
01:05:44,234 --> 01:05:45,054
Oh, that's cool.

1354
01:05:45,054 --> 01:05:45,454
It's me and her.

1355
01:05:45,834 --> 01:05:46,234
Oh.

1356
01:05:46,234 --> 01:05:48,874
It's me and Cora because we're best buddies.

1357
01:05:48,874 --> 01:05:50,674
One of you is like

1358
01:05:50,674 --> 01:05:52,894
sticky and the other one's boxy.

1359
01:05:53,134 --> 01:05:54,134
Which one is which?

1360
01:05:56,134 --> 01:05:57,114
I think Austin's

1361
01:05:57,114 --> 01:05:58,154
wearing glasses on this one.

1362
01:05:58,294 --> 01:06:01,294
That looks like

1363
01:06:01,294 --> 01:06:02,514
Jenna. That looks like Austin, right?

1364
01:06:03,834 --> 01:06:05,094
I think Austin has a skateboard

1365
01:06:05,094 --> 01:06:05,834
or something with him?

1366
01:06:06,054 --> 01:06:08,074
Yeah, he has a skateboard body.

1367
01:06:09,274 --> 01:06:09,654
I think so.

1368
01:06:10,314 --> 01:06:13,154
Cool stuff. Awesome. This is amazing.

1369
01:06:13,534 --> 01:06:14,794
Good job. I think this one's

1370
01:06:14,794 --> 01:06:17,434
this one feels really official.

1371
01:06:17,694 --> 01:06:19,714
I mean, we certainly spent more time talking about it

1372
01:06:19,714 --> 01:06:20,534
than most of the other ones.

1373
01:06:20,834 --> 01:06:23,074
Well, I'm just so fascinated with all the different colors and everything.

1374
01:06:23,294 --> 01:06:24,514
It really pops.

1375
01:06:25,754 --> 01:06:26,534
Yeah, it's fun.

1376
01:06:27,314 --> 01:06:28,054
It's getting mature.

1377
01:06:28,674 --> 01:06:30,014
And then they can also buy,

1378
01:06:31,174 --> 01:06:33,554
oh, wow, so you can purchase it right here.

1379
01:06:34,534 --> 01:06:34,934
Cool.

1380
01:06:36,234 --> 01:06:37,434
And they can also subscribe.

1381
01:06:38,614 --> 01:06:39,194
There you go.

1382
01:06:39,194 --> 01:06:41,494
Yeah, if you're in Greece, you can bankrupt us

1383
01:06:41,494 --> 01:06:44,474
by buying some of the backpack.

1384
01:06:44,474 --> 01:06:47,194
If you're like an international somewhere hard to get to.

1385
01:06:47,794 --> 01:06:48,114
Yeah.

1386
01:06:48,754 --> 01:06:49,754
Help us out.

1387
01:06:50,234 --> 01:06:50,794
Cool stuff.

1388
01:06:51,134 --> 01:06:56,414
Let's jump into my post here real quick, if you don't mind.

1389
01:06:57,054 --> 01:06:59,054
The first one I had was this one.

1390
01:07:01,034 --> 01:07:04,714
What is the best tool for reoccurring Bitcoin Lightning payments for merchants?

1391
01:07:04,834 --> 01:07:05,794
This was from a non.

1392
01:07:06,414 --> 01:07:07,134
Did you see this?

1393
01:07:10,934 --> 01:07:12,454
Yes, I saw this.

1394
01:07:12,454 --> 01:07:15,974
I don't think this is, this still isn't much of a solved problem.

1395
01:07:16,134 --> 01:07:18,754
Yeah, so basically this Anand came through and he says,

1396
01:07:18,834 --> 01:07:21,694
I have a billion dollar company trying to accept Bitcoin Lightning subscriptions,

1397
01:07:22,014 --> 01:07:23,634
but no one seems to offer it.

1398
01:07:24,014 --> 01:07:24,814
WTF, LOL.

1399
01:07:25,354 --> 01:07:27,154
This is not BS.

1400
01:07:27,474 --> 01:07:31,134
And if you can find me a solution, I will literally show you the CODM and business.

1401
01:07:31,494 --> 01:07:32,554
How is it 2026?

1402
01:07:32,634 --> 01:07:37,154
And this isn't an easily solved problem with lots of information on how to set it up.

1403
01:07:37,354 --> 01:07:39,234
Key on, what's the answer?

1404
01:07:39,234 --> 01:07:43,674
I don't think we have a great solution to this yet.

1405
01:07:43,794 --> 01:07:47,214
And it's mostly because you're asking this question

1406
01:07:47,214 --> 01:07:48,854
with a bunch of plebs on Stacker News.

1407
01:07:48,974 --> 01:07:51,354
If you're operating in a billion-dollar company,

1408
01:07:51,954 --> 01:07:53,834
you should DM David Marcus,

1409
01:07:54,014 --> 01:07:59,974
and he'll probably build you a state chain or a side chain

1410
01:07:59,974 --> 01:08:03,794
or whatever he needs to to make this happen.

1411
01:08:03,794 --> 01:08:06,794
Or you should be, I don't know,

1412
01:08:06,794 --> 01:08:11,234
on Noster DMing Jack Dorsey or whatever.

1413
01:08:11,514 --> 01:08:13,934
You know, like I don't, it's just, I don't,

1414
01:08:14,174 --> 01:08:18,654
there hasn't been enough demand for this feature yet

1415
01:08:18,654 --> 01:08:22,734
where someone is willing to spend their life developing it.

1416
01:08:23,074 --> 01:08:25,694
Because we have seen a lot of like half solutions to it.

1417
01:08:26,494 --> 01:08:28,434
And the response to it has been kind of tepid.

1418
01:08:28,674 --> 01:08:30,014
People didn't really seem interested.

1419
01:08:30,294 --> 01:08:31,734
Mutiny, when they came out with their wallet,

1420
01:08:31,734 --> 01:08:44,794
They had a subscription in that wallet that would, I think, pull from when you'd open it based on NWC, I think.

1421
01:08:46,034 --> 01:08:51,394
There are almost solutions, but nothing a billion-dollar business is going to want.

1422
01:08:51,754 --> 01:08:59,734
That's what these other billion-dollar businesses like Spark, I think, are aiming to do.

1423
01:08:59,734 --> 01:09:02,074
that's my answer.

1424
01:09:02,214 --> 01:09:03,574
That's a good answer. We had

1425
01:09:03,574 --> 01:09:05,754
Al Chaz said basically there's

1426
01:09:05,754 --> 01:09:07,454
no real equivalent to credit card subscriptions

1427
01:09:07,454 --> 01:09:09,774
because in Bitcoin money

1428
01:09:09,774 --> 01:09:11,114
can only be pushed by the owner

1429
01:09:11,114 --> 01:09:13,154
not pulled by a bank.

1430
01:09:13,614 --> 01:09:15,074
He also did say NWC

1431
01:09:15,074 --> 01:09:17,454
and then

1432
01:09:17,454 --> 01:09:19,594
Justin said ShockWallet with the

1433
01:09:19,594 --> 01:09:21,814
C-Link protocol. The business would run

1434
01:09:21,814 --> 01:09:23,914
a Lightning Pub node enterprise services

1435
01:09:23,914 --> 01:09:24,694
through ShockNet.

1436
01:09:25,594 --> 01:09:26,714
Then DarthCoin

1437
01:09:26,714 --> 01:09:29,074
said you're leaving it in a fiat world.

1438
01:09:29,734 --> 01:09:30,654
And you need to adapt.

1439
01:09:31,614 --> 01:09:34,814
Somebody mentioned BTC Pay servers or BTC Pay subscriptions.

1440
01:09:35,974 --> 01:09:37,074
Do you think that's a thing?

1441
01:09:37,114 --> 01:09:40,734
But that still requires a note of sorts, I would imagine.

1442
01:09:41,174 --> 01:09:47,074
I would guess it's like an email, manual, automatic recurring, a credit balance.

1443
01:09:47,374 --> 01:09:49,854
So you're basically buying a gift card.

1444
01:09:50,434 --> 01:09:50,554
Yeah.

1445
01:09:50,654 --> 01:09:51,414
And that's how they're doing it.

1446
01:09:51,414 --> 01:09:52,034
It's custodial.

1447
01:09:53,294 --> 01:09:54,954
I would definitely reach out to more.

1448
01:09:55,814 --> 01:09:59,394
I know he has subscriptions working, at least for some of the note stuff.

1449
01:09:59,394 --> 01:10:00,914
I don't know how he's doing it on the back end.

1450
01:10:00,914 --> 01:10:02,594
It's because he's running the Node software,

1451
01:10:03,194 --> 01:10:05,034
so he can kind of be like,

1452
01:10:05,114 --> 01:10:05,794
Node, pay me.

1453
01:10:07,554 --> 01:10:12,214
If your customer is running a wallet,

1454
01:10:13,514 --> 01:10:15,054
like the service you're providing them with a wallet,

1455
01:10:15,474 --> 01:10:17,374
it's pretty easy to solve.

1456
01:10:17,534 --> 01:10:20,694
But if you're Netflix

1457
01:10:20,694 --> 01:10:23,314
and you're not providing your customer with a wallet,

1458
01:10:23,354 --> 01:10:24,394
you're providing them with a service,

1459
01:10:25,274 --> 01:10:29,174
how do you pull a payment from their Bitcoin wallet?

1460
01:10:29,394 --> 01:10:31,054
probably could be a feature.

1461
01:10:31,694 --> 01:10:34,354
I'm probably just not looking at it the right way.

1462
01:10:35,134 --> 01:10:36,534
I thought it was a great post to bring up.

1463
01:10:36,914 --> 01:10:41,614
The next one I had was the best Claude Code demo I've ever seen.

1464
01:10:41,694 --> 01:10:42,334
This was at BBC.

1465
01:10:42,814 --> 01:10:47,234
So this guy came through on Monday for Bitcoin Builders Club

1466
01:10:47,234 --> 01:10:49,694
that we do here at Capital Factory.

1467
01:10:51,414 --> 01:10:55,074
And he was, like, blown away by what Eddie was presenting there.

1468
01:10:55,514 --> 01:10:58,494
And honestly, like, I think it was a great talk and everything.

1469
01:10:58,494 --> 01:11:03,894
I need to post up the video, but I didn't necessarily think it was, like, the best thing ever.

1470
01:11:04,574 --> 01:11:07,694
But I think for, like, a lot of people, kind of what we talked about earlier,

1471
01:11:07,814 --> 01:11:12,914
are just slowly starting to understand what's at place here, you know,

1472
01:11:12,994 --> 01:11:17,874
as far as, like, with what you can do and where it can go and stuff like that.

1473
01:11:19,454 --> 01:11:23,954
I think he was kind of really interested in the Ralph Wiggum plugin

1474
01:11:23,954 --> 01:11:28,414
that's kind of being talked about right now in the AI developer community.

1475
01:11:28,494 --> 01:11:30,454
so that was something that he kind of demoed

1476
01:11:30,454 --> 01:11:32,674
but I don't know, I was shocked that this

1477
01:11:32,674 --> 01:11:34,734
kind of got posted

1478
01:11:34,734 --> 01:11:36,174
on his LinkedIn and it just

1479
01:11:36,174 --> 01:11:38,514
everybody started talking about it, I was just like

1480
01:11:38,514 --> 01:11:40,634
oh wow, so anyways

1481
01:11:40,634 --> 01:11:42,534
thought I'd share it, what did you

1482
01:11:42,534 --> 01:11:43,894
think about his demo?

1483
01:11:44,734 --> 01:11:46,354
I thought it was good, it felt mind blowing right?

1484
01:11:46,894 --> 01:11:48,454
I thought he did a great job of

1485
01:11:48,454 --> 01:11:49,174
surveying

1486
01:11:49,174 --> 01:11:52,554
these

1487
01:11:52,554 --> 01:11:54,454
tools for a

1488
01:11:54,454 --> 01:11:56,074
lightly technical

1489
01:11:56,074 --> 01:11:58,674
audience. A lot of it I wasn't familiar with

1490
01:11:58,674 --> 01:12:00,574
because I'm not

1491
01:12:00,574 --> 01:12:02,694
doing much of this stuff yet.

1492
01:12:03,694 --> 01:12:04,554
So I found it

1493
01:12:04,554 --> 01:12:06,454
very helpful

1494
01:12:06,454 --> 01:12:07,554
or interesting.

1495
01:12:08,314 --> 01:12:10,734
Because he describes his process of discovering

1496
01:12:10,734 --> 01:12:12,454
these tools as he's lurking

1497
01:12:12,454 --> 01:12:13,094
on

1498
01:12:13,094 --> 01:12:16,354
a bunch of X lists

1499
01:12:16,354 --> 01:12:18,654
and follows a bunch

1500
01:12:18,654 --> 01:12:19,194
of YouTubers.

1501
01:12:21,134 --> 01:12:22,574
And it seems like

1502
01:12:22,574 --> 01:12:24,474
he's doing this too, where he's mostly just

1503
01:12:24,474 --> 01:12:27,514
waiting to consume a new

1504
01:12:27,514 --> 01:12:28,874
AI

1505
01:12:28,874 --> 01:12:31,394
tool. That's what I was saying earlier

1506
01:12:31,394 --> 01:12:32,954
like I feel like a lot of

1507
01:12:32,954 --> 01:12:34,574
younger generation are just like

1508
01:12:34,574 --> 01:12:37,374
living in YouTube and like searching

1509
01:12:37,374 --> 01:12:39,514
for, it's a very interesting

1510
01:12:39,514 --> 01:12:41,514
like for me as an older

1511
01:12:41,514 --> 01:12:43,554
man looking into this and like looking at it and seeing it

1512
01:12:43,554 --> 01:12:45,294
it's just like very interesting to see that

1513
01:12:45,294 --> 01:12:47,474
it's like, huh, would have never

1514
01:12:47,474 --> 01:12:49,414
thought but it's like that's where a lot of the

1515
01:12:49,414 --> 01:12:51,474
best ideas are coming from I guess, Twitter

1516
01:12:51,474 --> 01:12:52,314
and YouTube

1517
01:12:52,314 --> 01:12:56,534
fascinating stuff. Anyway, I just wanted to share that one because I thought that was

1518
01:12:56,534 --> 01:13:00,474
worth mentioning. And then the other one, the last one I have was

1519
01:13:00,474 --> 01:13:03,674
this startup graveyard that somebody vibe coded.

1520
01:13:04,514 --> 01:13:08,314
So this was interesting. So apparently you can go here, Keon. You can click on

1521
01:13:08,314 --> 01:13:12,574
and search the graveyard of startups that never took off.

1522
01:13:12,834 --> 01:13:15,594
They have some ones up here that you might recognize.

1523
01:13:16,234 --> 01:13:20,634
I saw some. I don't think this is, I bet the list itself was sort of

1524
01:13:20,634 --> 01:13:25,534
vibed because I saw some in here that I knew had like sort of semi-exits like one of them was

1525
01:13:25,534 --> 01:13:31,054
Cloudera which I had a friend working at and they went they went public then they went then they

1526
01:13:31,054 --> 01:13:37,694
went back private again and maybe that's considered like a failure but that friend was paid very

1527
01:13:37,694 --> 01:13:43,674
handsomely I think his equity was worth quite a bit of money is that failed because they didn't

1528
01:13:43,674 --> 01:13:50,554
they're not Coca-Cola and they're not they haven't built an empire like I don't know what how they're

1529
01:13:50,554 --> 01:13:55,254
defining do you know yeah i don't know okay yeah i just shared it because i thought it was fascinating

1530
01:13:55,254 --> 01:13:58,614
like you could literally search like whatever startup you're trying to do like so you're trying

1531
01:13:58,614 --> 01:14:04,674
to do like a a social thing or something and um this would help you kind of weed out when kind of

1532
01:14:04,674 --> 01:14:08,774
what you're building and watch i was looking at more like this would be great to like look at what

1533
01:14:08,774 --> 01:14:14,134
you're building do some do some like research on it see some of the stuff that they they failed to

1534
01:14:14,134 --> 01:14:19,314
execute on see if the let's see at the difficulty rate like see if you can like go around it or like

1535
01:14:19,314 --> 01:14:22,394
figure that out. I think more is just like a research

1536
01:14:22,394 --> 01:14:23,614
if you're building something.

1537
01:14:23,954 --> 01:14:25,314
That's kind of how I was looking at it.

1538
01:14:25,414 --> 01:14:28,114
But I didn't think about to check if it was actually true

1539
01:14:28,114 --> 01:14:29,054
for any of this stuff, though.

1540
01:14:29,554 --> 01:14:31,514
It even goes into Cause of Death,

1541
01:14:32,614 --> 01:14:33,694
the lawn.

1542
01:14:34,254 --> 01:14:35,334
I think it's all slop, though.

1543
01:14:35,894 --> 01:14:36,214
Yeah.

1544
01:14:37,134 --> 01:14:40,174
I think this is mostly schadenfreude

1545
01:14:40,174 --> 01:14:43,334
and having a bit of fun

1546
01:14:43,334 --> 01:14:44,294
kicking a dead horse.

1547
01:14:45,154 --> 01:14:46,354
Yeah. I thought it was cool.

1548
01:14:46,694 --> 01:14:47,234
No, it is.

1549
01:14:47,234 --> 01:14:48,374
I think it was really cool.

1550
01:14:48,474 --> 01:14:51,234
It is a fun project to have.

1551
01:14:51,354 --> 01:14:53,434
I mean, I like these repositories of things.

1552
01:14:53,794 --> 01:14:53,954
Yeah.

1553
01:14:54,074 --> 01:14:57,914
And they're just, like, isolated to a single place, siloed.

1554
01:14:58,914 --> 01:15:07,914
And that was all, I think that's all the stories that we have here on Stacker.news.

1555
01:15:07,914 --> 01:15:08,974
Oh, yeah, we have Meta.

1556
01:15:10,614 --> 01:15:11,954
So this one got shared.

1557
01:15:11,954 --> 01:15:14,154
this guy, Sopratic,

1558
01:15:14,994 --> 01:15:16,194
created a

1559
01:15:16,194 --> 01:15:17,074
Snacker News Review

1560
01:15:17,074 --> 01:15:18,574
2026 website.

1561
01:15:20,094 --> 01:15:21,554
And I don't know if you saw this, Keon.

1562
01:15:22,474 --> 01:15:23,614
Did you see all the work that he did?

1563
01:15:23,974 --> 01:15:26,134
I did see it. I haven't gone through all of it yet.

1564
01:15:27,654 --> 01:15:29,534
But I would like to.

1565
01:15:30,314 --> 01:15:31,834
I thought it was cool. He goes into

1566
01:15:31,834 --> 01:15:33,974
you can join. There's all these

1567
01:15:33,974 --> 01:15:34,834
different features.

1568
01:15:37,714 --> 01:15:39,994
It's cool that he just went and did this.

1569
01:15:40,274 --> 01:15:41,574
They do a lot. Like for free.

1570
01:15:41,574 --> 01:15:44,714
They do a lot of quality guides like this.

1571
01:15:45,694 --> 01:15:50,994
I need to go through and see if I can help and provide any feedback on that.

1572
01:15:50,994 --> 01:15:54,514
Also, too, maybe have this on your site, link to it or something,

1573
01:15:54,514 --> 01:15:59,894
so people can, because this almost feels like a, what do you call that?

1574
01:16:00,194 --> 01:16:00,794
An FAQ?

1575
01:16:00,954 --> 01:16:01,594
Yeah, yeah.

1576
01:16:02,134 --> 01:16:03,174
That's cool that he did that.

1577
01:16:04,494 --> 01:16:05,394
Yeah, he even goes here.

1578
01:16:05,534 --> 01:16:06,734
He goes into everything.

1579
01:16:08,914 --> 01:16:09,354
Yeah.

1580
01:16:11,574 --> 01:16:13,394
Yeah, he said the community itself matters.

1581
01:16:13,554 --> 01:16:15,274
You're surrounded by people generally interested in Bitcoin,

1582
01:16:15,474 --> 01:16:17,454
privacy technology, decentralization.

1583
01:16:18,094 --> 01:16:20,414
Conversations tend to be substantive.

1584
01:16:21,474 --> 01:16:24,074
Spam and low-effort posts don't get rewarded,

1585
01:16:24,214 --> 01:16:25,094
so they fade away naturally.

1586
01:16:25,574 --> 01:16:27,094
The platform attracts builders and thinkers

1587
01:16:27,094 --> 01:16:28,374
rather than casual scrollers.

1588
01:16:28,654 --> 01:16:29,694
What do you think about that?

1589
01:16:31,414 --> 01:16:32,894
I think that...

1590
01:16:32,894 --> 01:16:33,354
Tracks?

1591
01:16:34,094 --> 01:16:35,254
Yeah, that's good.

1592
01:16:35,374 --> 01:16:37,214
I mean, we're just, we're not very big.

1593
01:16:39,214 --> 01:16:40,094
Cool stuff.

1594
01:16:41,574 --> 01:16:42,494
I just wanted to share that.

1595
01:16:42,614 --> 01:16:45,234
And then the other thing I wanted to...

1596
01:16:45,234 --> 01:16:45,934
All right, the other one.

1597
01:16:46,414 --> 01:16:46,994
Oh, yeah, Meta.

1598
01:16:47,034 --> 01:16:50,854
The other one was the cross-posting.

1599
01:16:51,054 --> 01:16:53,614
So Undisciplined posted this, I think it was Sunday, I think.

1600
01:16:54,494 --> 01:16:56,094
Kind of got everybody talking about it.

1601
01:16:56,094 --> 01:16:58,234
I read a few of his points, you know,

1602
01:16:58,294 --> 01:17:02,034
but I'll defer to you to answer some of these questions that he had.

1603
01:17:02,914 --> 01:17:06,654
Oh, yeah, I had a comment here at the top where I answered.

1604
01:17:06,654 --> 01:17:09,954
yeah he just wants to

1605
01:17:09,954 --> 01:17:11,894
extend cross posting to be

1606
01:17:11,894 --> 01:17:13,414
allow it to be retroactive

1607
01:17:13,414 --> 01:17:15,194
and

1608
01:17:15,194 --> 01:17:18,214
then we still have this like evergreenness

1609
01:17:18,214 --> 01:17:20,034
problem that a lot of people

1610
01:17:20,034 --> 01:17:22,254
that Undisplined has been one of the biggest champions of

1611
01:17:22,254 --> 01:17:24,174
but quite a few people have really

1612
01:17:24,174 --> 01:17:26,054
wanted this solved where

1613
01:17:26,054 --> 01:17:28,214
they write a really great post

1614
01:17:28,214 --> 01:17:30,234
and they feel like it has like

1615
01:17:30,234 --> 01:17:32,094
a shelf life and

1616
01:17:32,094 --> 01:17:34,194
doesn't really resurface

1617
01:17:34,194 --> 01:17:36,154
as regularly maybe

1618
01:17:36,154 --> 01:17:38,174
as it should given its quality

1619
01:17:38,174 --> 01:17:39,854
and its

1620
01:17:39,854 --> 01:17:41,014
continued relevance.

1621
01:17:41,734 --> 01:17:44,154
How do you solve that problem?

1622
01:17:46,474 --> 01:17:48,554
SimpleStacker laid out

1623
01:17:48,554 --> 01:17:52,254
a great

1624
01:17:52,254 --> 01:17:53,894
and yet simple

1625
01:17:53,894 --> 01:17:55,874
way to do that.

1626
01:17:56,794 --> 01:17:58,374
Anyway, that's kind of what this is about

1627
01:17:58,374 --> 01:17:59,274
and we talk about it.

1628
01:17:59,274 --> 01:18:01,074
I've talked to you

1629
01:18:01,074 --> 01:18:02,914
about this before. I definitely think

1630
01:18:02,914 --> 01:18:05,154
each post is its own little piece of content

1631
01:18:05,154 --> 01:18:08,014
that has, I don't even think it has a shelf life

1632
01:18:08,014 --> 01:18:10,194
because as long as Snacker News exists,

1633
01:18:11,074 --> 01:18:13,134
you'll always be able to make something on it.

1634
01:18:13,214 --> 01:18:15,034
I think just being able to find it,

1635
01:18:15,534 --> 01:18:17,154
like if you're in a video store or something,

1636
01:18:17,394 --> 01:18:21,974
being able to search through that like you would a YouTube or something

1637
01:18:21,974 --> 01:18:26,854
and then bring up that piece of content that is there.

1638
01:18:27,374 --> 01:18:29,634
I think that's really cool, what's cool about it.

1639
01:18:30,214 --> 01:18:33,654
It's evergreen in that sense where it could always be found

1640
01:18:33,654 --> 01:18:35,474
found and earning cents.

1641
01:18:36,334 --> 01:18:36,574
Yeah.

1642
01:18:36,814 --> 01:18:38,474
The problem is kind of

1643
01:18:38,474 --> 01:18:40,554
finding it

1644
01:18:40,554 --> 01:18:42,874
and then kind of reigniting

1645
01:18:42,874 --> 01:18:44,874
or helping other people find it.

1646
01:18:45,194 --> 01:18:46,974
It's kind of what you're missing

1647
01:18:46,974 --> 01:18:49,014
in a movie store like that.

1648
01:18:49,234 --> 01:18:51,474
To me, it almost feels like it should be its own...

1649
01:18:53,354 --> 01:18:54,194
Yeah, I don't know.

1650
01:18:54,314 --> 01:18:54,654
I don't know.

1651
01:18:54,734 --> 01:18:55,654
That's for you to figure out.

1652
01:18:55,994 --> 01:18:57,514
But I understand what he's saying,

1653
01:18:57,594 --> 01:18:58,054
but to me,

1654
01:18:58,054 --> 01:18:59,874
I think there is a way to do it,

1655
01:18:59,894 --> 01:19:02,054
but I don't know what that would look like.

1656
01:19:02,314 --> 01:19:03,614
But I think you'll figure it out.

1657
01:19:03,654 --> 01:19:05,234
It's mostly by the recency of zaps.

1658
01:19:05,354 --> 01:19:08,294
Like if I find a post from three years ago that I think is really good

1659
01:19:08,294 --> 01:19:09,674
and I zap the crap out of it,

1660
01:19:10,114 --> 01:19:13,074
it maybe should appear alongside stuff on the front page.

1661
01:19:13,214 --> 01:19:16,214
Yeah, but wasn't there like a random button here at some point?

1662
01:19:16,414 --> 01:19:20,954
There was, and that was an attempt to kind of maybe resurface stuff,

1663
01:19:20,954 --> 01:19:23,594
but people, it just didn't really fit.

1664
01:19:23,694 --> 01:19:24,714
People didn't really use it.

1665
01:19:25,094 --> 01:19:27,314
I think having more than three sorts is too many.

1666
01:19:28,034 --> 01:19:29,894
I'd actually like to have one sort,

1667
01:19:29,894 --> 01:19:36,034
But really, you end up at three is kind of should be enough, though.

1668
01:19:36,434 --> 01:19:36,654
Yeah.

1669
01:19:38,834 --> 01:19:40,214
So I thought that was good.

1670
01:19:40,294 --> 01:19:45,694
And then the other one was, let me go here.

1671
01:19:47,274 --> 01:19:47,714
Gosh.

1672
01:19:48,754 --> 01:19:50,474
I think I didn't really click it that much.

1673
01:19:51,334 --> 01:19:51,494
Yeah.

1674
01:19:51,554 --> 01:19:54,834
And then the last one we have for meta was, are you ready for SNLTs?

1675
01:19:55,034 --> 01:19:55,394
Boom.

1676
01:19:56,154 --> 01:19:59,014
This is from Agoria.

1677
01:19:59,014 --> 01:19:59,134
Agoria?

1678
01:19:59,894 --> 01:20:00,494
Gora?

1679
01:20:00,834 --> 01:20:01,234
Gora.

1680
01:20:01,474 --> 01:20:01,794
Gora.

1681
01:20:02,154 --> 01:20:02,454
Boom.

1682
01:20:02,594 --> 01:20:03,314
There you go, Keon.

1683
01:20:03,394 --> 01:20:04,114
Get your SNLT.

1684
01:20:05,614 --> 01:20:06,014
Okay.

1685
01:20:07,934 --> 01:20:08,594
There you go.

1686
01:20:08,634 --> 01:20:08,834
Boom.

1687
01:20:09,474 --> 01:20:10,094
What do you think about that?

1688
01:20:10,174 --> 01:20:12,694
Front page of Bitcoin at stacker.news every week.

1689
01:20:15,014 --> 01:20:17,654
How mad does that make you that that's the tagline that he used?

1690
01:20:17,654 --> 01:20:18,734
It doesn't make me mad.

1691
01:20:20,354 --> 01:20:21,674
Front page of Bitcoin, baby.

1692
01:20:22,294 --> 01:20:22,494
Woo.

1693
01:20:23,274 --> 01:20:24,074
No, just kidding.

1694
01:20:24,714 --> 01:20:27,994
Yeah, and then Wumble said, shared this one.

1695
01:20:27,994 --> 01:20:30,334
is there anything else we need to cover

1696
01:20:30,334 --> 01:20:31,194
a swag

1697
01:20:31,194 --> 01:20:33,594
yeah I think we need to talk about

1698
01:20:33,594 --> 01:20:34,354
the ends of the show

1699
01:20:34,354 --> 01:20:37,334
do you like that guy in

1700
01:20:37,334 --> 01:20:39,954
do you like him

1701
01:20:39,954 --> 01:20:41,114
oh they do

1702
01:20:41,114 --> 01:20:42,774
there's a lot of great characters

1703
01:20:42,774 --> 01:20:44,674
the guy that's I think Eric

1704
01:20:44,674 --> 01:20:46,174
the guy with the curly hair

1705
01:20:46,174 --> 01:20:48,974
he's like a comedian in actual life

1706
01:20:48,974 --> 01:20:49,334
right

1707
01:20:49,334 --> 01:20:50,554
I think most of these

1708
01:20:50,554 --> 01:20:52,854
except for

1709
01:20:52,854 --> 01:20:57,334
him

1710
01:20:57,334 --> 01:20:58,954
The guy all the way on the right?

1711
01:20:59,014 --> 01:21:01,194
He's more of an improv guy, but still.

1712
01:21:01,274 --> 01:21:02,774
You don't consider them comedians?

1713
01:21:03,594 --> 01:21:04,134
I don't know.

1714
01:21:05,094 --> 01:21:07,494
Anyway, I listened to him on a podcast recently.

1715
01:21:08,934 --> 01:21:13,434
And he was describing being at a Bitcoin conference

1716
01:21:13,434 --> 01:21:17,394
and appearing there just for his buddy asked him to.

1717
01:21:18,194 --> 01:21:20,494
And then he's appearing on a panel.

1718
01:21:20,694 --> 01:21:23,574
He's about to say his name, and then the buddy does a prank on him.

1719
01:21:24,214 --> 01:21:26,594
And then he just gets up and walks off the stage.

1720
01:21:27,334 --> 01:21:28,694
his buddy walked off the stage?

1721
01:21:28,694 --> 01:21:29,394
No, he did.

1722
01:21:29,994 --> 01:21:31,154
Because he didn't,

1723
01:21:31,314 --> 01:21:32,534
in response to the prank?

1724
01:21:32,554 --> 01:21:32,954
Yeah, yeah,

1725
01:21:32,954 --> 01:21:33,974
he just didn't participate.

1726
01:21:34,434 --> 01:21:35,214
Oh, man.

1727
01:21:35,334 --> 01:21:36,714
And he was paid to be there.

1728
01:21:37,054 --> 01:21:37,174
But,

1729
01:21:37,334 --> 01:21:38,134
and then both of them,

1730
01:21:38,274 --> 01:21:40,294
both him and the podcast host

1731
01:21:40,294 --> 01:21:40,694
are like,

1732
01:21:40,754 --> 01:21:40,894
yeah,

1733
01:21:40,994 --> 01:21:42,274
Natalie Brunel is so cool.

1734
01:21:43,094 --> 01:21:44,274
That was another thing they did.

1735
01:21:44,514 --> 01:21:45,134
That's awesome.

1736
01:21:45,954 --> 01:21:46,454
But yeah,

1737
01:21:46,514 --> 01:21:47,674
get your swag.

1738
01:21:48,934 --> 01:21:49,974
Gotta keep the girls in bed.

1739
01:21:50,254 --> 01:21:50,654
Swag.

1740
01:21:50,974 --> 01:21:52,014
Gotta do whatever you can.

1741
01:21:52,014 --> 01:21:52,574
It loads.

1742
01:21:53,294 --> 01:21:54,034
Is it gonna load?

1743
01:21:54,134 --> 01:21:54,814
It's gonna load.

1744
01:21:55,074 --> 01:21:55,514
Swag.

1745
01:21:55,874 --> 01:21:56,594
Get your swag here.

1746
01:21:56,594 --> 01:21:57,434
Boom.

1747
01:21:58,374 --> 01:21:59,434
35K cents.

1748
01:22:00,834 --> 01:22:01,214
Dude.

1749
01:22:01,794 --> 01:22:02,234
Get it.

1750
01:22:02,574 --> 01:22:04,074
Does that include shipping?

1751
01:22:04,594 --> 01:22:05,214
I don't know.

1752
01:22:05,874 --> 01:22:07,594
I was going to order one.

1753
01:22:08,194 --> 01:22:08,434
What?

1754
01:22:11,114 --> 01:22:11,634
Cool.

1755
01:22:12,634 --> 01:22:13,314
It's fun.

1756
01:22:13,554 --> 01:22:14,734
I'm happy.

1757
01:22:14,914 --> 01:22:18,274
I'm happy anyone wants the zine.

1758
01:22:18,834 --> 01:22:24,014
And then I think that's it.

1759
01:22:24,014 --> 01:22:26,894
the other one I want to get into was just the YouTube comments

1760
01:22:26,894 --> 01:22:29,074
getting a lot of interesting people

1761
01:22:29,074 --> 01:22:30,654
Keon was that you that reposted that

1762
01:22:30,654 --> 01:22:32,494
or was that Wumble? I posted what?

1763
01:22:32,954 --> 01:22:35,094
so this guy said you guys lack understanding

1764
01:22:35,094 --> 01:22:36,054
and just talking

1765
01:22:36,054 --> 01:22:37,774
I was like yeah

1766
01:22:37,774 --> 01:22:40,014
where could the value be in this podcast

1767
01:22:40,014 --> 01:22:42,434
yeah it makes sense I agree

1768
01:22:42,434 --> 01:22:44,034
and then somebody said

1769
01:22:44,034 --> 01:22:46,334
somebody from the SNL account said

1770
01:22:46,334 --> 01:22:47,814
there is no value in this podcast

1771
01:22:47,814 --> 01:22:49,794
unsubscribe immediately you have been warned

1772
01:22:49,794 --> 01:22:50,974
was that you? that was me

1773
01:22:50,974 --> 01:22:52,514
it definitely wasn't me

1774
01:22:52,514 --> 01:22:53,514
That was me.

1775
01:22:53,514 --> 01:22:54,514
Oh, okay, that was you.

1776
01:22:54,514 --> 01:22:55,514
Okay.

1777
01:22:55,514 --> 01:22:56,514
Yeah.

1778
01:22:56,514 --> 01:22:57,514
So there you go.

1779
01:22:57,514 --> 01:22:59,514
Keon's responding directly into the comments.

1780
01:22:59,514 --> 01:23:00,514
I've done that before.

1781
01:23:00,514 --> 01:23:06,834
Like in some of the old, some of the graphene ones, they're like, you guys completely got

1782
01:23:06,834 --> 01:23:07,834
this wrong.

1783
01:23:07,834 --> 01:23:08,834
I'm like, I'm so sorry.

1784
01:23:08,834 --> 01:23:13,834
And I think I replied like five times, I'm so sorry to people in that thread.

1785
01:23:13,834 --> 01:23:14,834
Because they were upset.

1786
01:23:14,834 --> 01:23:19,954
I just don't remember ever promising anything other than entertainment, so.

1787
01:23:19,992 --> 01:23:21,572
I don't even promise entertainment.

1788
01:23:22,412 --> 01:23:23,192
I'm trying.

1789
01:23:23,432 --> 01:23:26,552
I know, but I'm saying that's the only thing I've actually promised the Staggers was entertainment.

1790
01:23:27,252 --> 01:23:29,452
Never said anything else about that.

1791
01:23:29,712 --> 01:23:30,192
Anything else?

1792
01:23:31,152 --> 01:23:32,992
Whether you get value in that entertainment, I don't know.

1793
01:23:33,372 --> 01:23:36,392
I'm just, you know, I promise that you might, that you're going to spend time,

1794
01:23:36,472 --> 01:23:38,572
if you're watching this, you are spending time watching it.

1795
01:23:39,432 --> 01:23:40,292
That's about as much.

1796
01:23:40,312 --> 01:23:42,092
And then Vake said stay in your HTLC.

1797
01:23:43,912 --> 01:23:44,052
Yeah.

1798
01:23:44,892 --> 01:23:45,272
There you go.

1799
01:23:45,272 --> 01:23:45,792
Good one, Vake.

1800
01:23:45,792 --> 01:23:50,572
Then we had a found comment from Undisciplined.

1801
01:23:50,652 --> 01:23:52,272
He said, try sweet potato fries in your burrito.

1802
01:23:52,892 --> 01:23:54,592
Do they have those in California?

1803
01:23:55,412 --> 01:23:56,432
I believe it, yeah.

1804
01:23:56,592 --> 01:23:58,352
That would be extra Californian.

1805
01:23:58,552 --> 01:24:00,032
You know, that actually doesn't sound too bad.

1806
01:24:00,072 --> 01:24:01,532
I do like a good sweet potato fry.

1807
01:24:02,752 --> 01:24:04,272
I love a good sweet potato fry.

1808
01:24:04,272 --> 01:24:05,652
They're a little more soggy, though.

1809
01:24:05,832 --> 01:24:09,132
Do you ever eat like a sweet potato, just like a baked sweet potato?

1810
01:24:09,252 --> 01:24:09,852
Do you ever do that?

1811
01:24:10,072 --> 01:24:10,352
Yeah.

1812
01:24:10,652 --> 01:24:11,752
I like a mashed sweet potato.

1813
01:24:11,812 --> 01:24:14,892
Yeah, what would a soggy sweet potato fry add to a burrito?

1814
01:24:14,892 --> 01:24:17,012
because there wouldn't be the crunch of anything.

1815
01:24:17,392 --> 01:24:22,032
I think it's mostly because they would add a bit of sweetness,

1816
01:24:22,352 --> 01:24:27,912
a bit of filler, and then also the fat that accompanies anything fried.

1817
01:24:28,152 --> 01:24:32,032
So Pluckers has their sweet potato fries there,

1818
01:24:32,092 --> 01:24:32,912
and they're pretty crunchy.

1819
01:24:34,032 --> 01:24:34,932
Inside a burrito?

1820
01:24:35,692 --> 01:24:40,972
I mean, you could put like a Pluckers sweet potato fry inside a burrito.

1821
01:24:41,672 --> 01:24:43,652
I'm just surprised that people like fries and burritos,

1822
01:24:43,652 --> 01:24:45,612
but I'd rather have a sweet potato

1823
01:24:45,612 --> 01:24:47,612
fryer than a fryer. I love a Frito burrito.

1824
01:24:48,272 --> 01:24:49,372
Ooh, from Sonic?

1825
01:24:50,312 --> 01:24:51,592
Wow. Probably Sonic

1826
01:24:51,592 --> 01:24:53,372
made it at one point, but just putting Fritos

1827
01:24:53,372 --> 01:24:54,872
in a burrito, I think is cool. Interesting.

1828
01:24:55,212 --> 01:24:57,472
Oh, that would be cool. They'd probably keep their texture a little bit better.

1829
01:24:57,772 --> 01:24:59,412
Yeah. It's like Frito

1830
01:24:59,412 --> 01:25:00,032
chili pie.

1831
01:25:01,312 --> 01:25:03,432
Yeah. So that's all the stuff. We're gonna

1832
01:25:03,432 --> 01:25:05,832
jump into the top Cowboys

1833
01:25:05,832 --> 01:25:07,132
baby

1834
01:25:07,132 --> 01:25:09,132
key on your hat.

1835
01:25:09,872 --> 01:25:11,212
Oh, yeah.

1836
01:25:11,712 --> 01:25:12,872
Top Cowboys

1837
01:25:12,872 --> 01:25:16,032
Giddy on up, giddy on up, giddy on up.

1838
01:25:17,172 --> 01:25:19,372
We got one person in hiding.

1839
01:25:20,572 --> 01:25:22,872
Key on number two, undiscipline number three,

1840
01:25:22,872 --> 01:25:34,924
blockchain bug number four gray ruby number five Wait wasn gray ruby number four Yeah I don think it works that way i think all those people have kept their hat so there no way that are we sure blockchain boo

1841
01:25:34,924 --> 01:25:39,964
could move all right just make sure hey i'm keeping it interesting no one can move ahead of

1842
01:25:39,964 --> 01:25:46,564
gray ruby i'm trying to keep it interesting for the show we look at this okay i figured by yeah

1843
01:25:46,564 --> 01:25:51,764
no i figured by 200 episodes by now you'd be like man we just talk about the same chart well we can't

1844
01:25:51,764 --> 01:25:53,884
lie about how it works to make your party.

1845
01:25:53,884 --> 01:25:55,444
I'm not, but I'm trying to make this

1846
01:25:55,444 --> 01:25:57,584
somewhat

1847
01:25:57,584 --> 01:25:59,624
entertaining. I think the way we make it

1848
01:25:59,624 --> 01:26:01,764
entertaining is we accept the boredom of it.

1849
01:26:02,724 --> 01:26:03,684
And we just kind of

1850
01:26:03,684 --> 01:26:05,444
live in it.

1851
01:26:05,624 --> 01:26:07,724
So Undisciplined did mention one thing. We did used to

1852
01:26:07,724 --> 01:26:09,684
cover the comments, the top comments of the week.

1853
01:26:10,264 --> 01:26:11,644
But we stopped doing that because it got

1854
01:26:11,644 --> 01:26:13,384
spicy. Remember that?

1855
01:26:13,684 --> 01:26:15,584
Yeah, that's how you describe what happened.

1856
01:26:15,704 --> 01:26:17,624
Just like how you describe how we went from five stories

1857
01:26:17,624 --> 01:26:19,744
to three. That's what DarthCoin told you

1858
01:26:19,744 --> 01:26:20,084
to do.

1859
01:26:21,764 --> 01:26:25,124
The backstory is sort of subject to revision.

1860
01:26:25,124 --> 01:26:25,884
You should make it up on the fly.

1861
01:26:26,404 --> 01:26:26,584
Yeah.

1862
01:26:27,924 --> 01:26:30,884
Anyways, you got optimism, scores B.

1863
01:26:31,924 --> 01:26:32,744
A lot of people hiding.

1864
01:26:34,344 --> 01:26:35,224
What's going on?

1865
01:26:35,804 --> 01:26:36,324
Oh, yeah.

1866
01:26:36,444 --> 01:26:37,344
Looks like they are hiding.

1867
01:26:38,144 --> 01:26:43,204
Do you see that I gave Mr. Satoshi a stacker news hat now in the default?

1868
01:26:43,984 --> 01:26:44,384
Where?

1869
01:26:44,784 --> 01:26:45,184
Image.

1870
01:26:45,424 --> 01:26:46,124
Like, if you look at Mr.

1871
01:26:46,124 --> 01:26:47,124
Oh, here.

1872
01:26:47,304 --> 01:26:48,004
So if we go to OT.

1873
01:26:49,144 --> 01:26:49,824
Is that what you did?

1874
01:26:49,984 --> 01:26:51,364
Yeah, the default image now has.

1875
01:26:51,364 --> 01:26:51,724
Wow.

1876
01:26:51,764 --> 01:26:52,164
Oh.

1877
01:26:53,824 --> 01:26:54,984
That's pretty cool.

1878
01:26:55,544 --> 01:26:57,224
He's kind of wearing it sideways, too.

1879
01:26:57,664 --> 01:26:57,924
Yeah.

1880
01:26:58,264 --> 01:27:00,364
Really the only way it kind of made sense.

1881
01:27:00,404 --> 01:27:03,244
Dude, there's a lot of people that wear Stacker News hats now around town, huh?

1882
01:27:03,964 --> 01:27:04,364
No.

1883
01:27:05,124 --> 01:27:05,484
Yeah.

1884
01:27:06,704 --> 01:27:08,244
I feel like I see more and more of them.

1885
01:27:09,144 --> 01:27:09,944
You see the people.

1886
01:27:10,184 --> 01:27:10,924
You're talking about Sam.

1887
01:27:11,184 --> 01:27:11,784
Yeah, basically.

1888
01:27:12,304 --> 01:27:14,784
No, there was some other person I saw the other day besides.

1889
01:27:15,224 --> 01:27:15,644
Who else?

1890
01:27:15,644 --> 01:27:17,884
I think Topher and Austin both have.

1891
01:27:18,484 --> 01:27:19,224
I'm trying to think.

1892
01:27:20,384 --> 01:27:20,604
Yeah.

1893
01:27:20,604 --> 01:27:25,124
Topher was the first person to buy a Stacker News hat in the world.

1894
01:27:25,464 --> 01:27:26,104
Topher was?

1895
01:27:26,164 --> 01:27:26,744
World's first.

1896
01:27:27,164 --> 01:27:27,704
Oh, wow.

1897
01:27:28,484 --> 01:27:29,264
Shout out.

1898
01:27:29,464 --> 01:27:31,284
Where's Jenna in here?

1899
01:27:31,384 --> 01:27:32,084
I don't see her on here.

1900
01:27:32,384 --> 01:27:42,216
I recently lost my cowboy hat so I Wow so you just not in there There Nifty She actually on there Nifty up there Yeah I guess you not on here

1901
01:27:43,256 --> 01:27:43,996
Oh, 77.

1902
01:27:45,376 --> 01:27:46,536
Good number. Great year.

1903
01:27:46,576 --> 01:27:47,476
Am I on here then?

1904
01:27:47,776 --> 01:27:48,716
Oh, there's socks.

1905
01:27:51,316 --> 01:27:52,656
No, I'm not on here. Wow.

1906
01:27:53,196 --> 01:27:53,776
It's been a busy week.

1907
01:27:53,896 --> 01:27:57,296
Too many meetings.

1908
01:27:59,156 --> 01:28:00,516
Do they give you a cowboy hat?

1909
01:28:00,516 --> 01:28:02,416
Do you go to meetings? I don't think so.

1910
01:28:02,656 --> 01:28:10,276
um key uh what are you doing this weekend uh i don't know i don't think i'm doing anything

1911
01:28:10,276 --> 01:28:18,896
i think i might put my drapes up which i will look forward to moss green linen moss green

1912
01:28:18,896 --> 01:28:24,376
linen drapes over here yes oh finally wow that should be cool that's right it should be very

1913
01:28:24,376 --> 01:28:30,616
nice i'm looking forward to it um so i gotta do that you're gonna need a drill or no no i don't

1914
01:28:30,616 --> 01:28:31,136
I need a drill.

1915
01:28:31,356 --> 01:28:36,436
I just need to punch a small hole in the wall to put the hollow wall anchors.

1916
01:28:37,616 --> 01:28:38,196
That should be fun.

1917
01:28:38,216 --> 01:28:39,676
What else am I doing?

1918
01:28:40,156 --> 01:28:41,316
I think that's it, really.

1919
01:28:41,416 --> 01:28:42,356
I don't have anything.

1920
01:28:42,516 --> 01:28:43,596
It's supposed to freeze here.

1921
01:28:44,416 --> 01:28:45,696
Oh, yeah, it's supposed to freeze.

1922
01:28:45,856 --> 01:28:47,636
Janet, what are you doing this weekend besides freezing?

1923
01:28:48,176 --> 01:28:52,896
Yeah, hopefully not freezing, but, yeah, that may be happening outside.

1924
01:28:52,896 --> 01:28:54,016
I already

1925
01:28:54,016 --> 01:28:58,056
I created a few displaced

1926
01:28:58,056 --> 01:29:00,276
Bowls and jars

1927
01:29:00,276 --> 01:29:01,656
Of collected water

1928
01:29:01,656 --> 01:29:03,016
In the event that

1929
01:29:03,016 --> 01:29:05,436
Can't flush my toilet

1930
01:29:05,436 --> 01:29:07,496
Are you going to do what are you going to do with your plants that are outside

1931
01:29:07,496 --> 01:29:08,916
Are you going to like take care of them

1932
01:29:08,916 --> 01:29:11,796
Actually no my plants outside I'm just going to let them

1933
01:29:11,796 --> 01:29:12,596
Fair

1934
01:29:12,596 --> 01:29:14,356
Really is that a thing

1935
01:29:14,356 --> 01:29:17,316
What's your advice for people that

1936
01:29:17,316 --> 01:29:19,876
Have plants outside to bring them in or don't bring them in

1937
01:29:19,876 --> 01:29:21,516
Well yeah you should bring them in

1938
01:29:21,516 --> 01:29:25,976
but I'm not bringing mine in because I know that they are not meant to

1939
01:29:25,976 --> 01:29:27,056
withstand the winter.

1940
01:29:27,056 --> 01:29:27,956
And it's like,

1941
01:29:27,956 --> 01:29:28,916
you want to kill them.

1942
01:29:28,916 --> 01:29:31,476
I'm looking forward to going and buying new plants.

1943
01:29:31,476 --> 01:29:33,136
I only have like two planters,

1944
01:29:33,136 --> 01:29:36,656
so they're going to live or die.

1945
01:29:36,836 --> 01:29:38,456
And that's what's going to happen.

1946
01:29:38,576 --> 01:29:39,636
Can I have a question?

1947
01:29:39,636 --> 01:29:40,516
Can I ask you a dumb question?

1948
01:29:40,816 --> 01:29:41,096
Sure.

1949
01:29:41,656 --> 01:29:52,548
All right It really stupid but I don mind because it for the show No one watching Why do people put bags on their plants whenever it freezes or rains or something Yeah so it keeps ice off of them

1950
01:29:53,348 --> 01:29:53,668
Oh.

1951
01:29:54,228 --> 01:29:57,288
And then it'll also trap in heat around them.

1952
01:29:57,908 --> 01:29:59,388
But can the plant breathe, though?

1953
01:29:59,928 --> 01:30:00,188
Yeah.

1954
01:30:00,788 --> 01:30:01,108
Okay.

1955
01:30:01,788 --> 01:30:03,508
But it doesn't choke on its own CO2?

1956
01:30:04,748 --> 01:30:05,108
Nah.

1957
01:30:05,108 --> 01:30:06,348
It produces oxygen.

1958
01:30:06,708 --> 01:30:08,048
It's using oxygen from the ground.

1959
01:30:08,928 --> 01:30:09,688
In the plant.

1960
01:30:09,788 --> 01:30:10,808
In the plant pot.

1961
01:30:11,488 --> 01:30:14,028
No, like, yeah, under the dirt.

1962
01:30:14,228 --> 01:30:15,248
Oh, yeah, interesting.

1963
01:30:15,808 --> 01:30:16,868
I always wondered that.

1964
01:30:17,148 --> 01:30:17,408
Yeah.

1965
01:30:18,368 --> 01:30:18,768
Cool.

1966
01:30:18,988 --> 01:30:19,448
That's okay.

1967
01:30:20,508 --> 01:30:24,468
And, oh, I was also going to say I'm going to go to a birthday party.

1968
01:30:25,168 --> 01:30:28,368
Woo-hoo, party time in Texas.

1969
01:30:30,028 --> 01:30:30,788
Winter birthday.

1970
01:30:31,608 --> 01:30:32,308
Happy birthday.

1971
01:30:33,308 --> 01:30:33,528
Yep.

1972
01:30:33,748 --> 01:30:34,668
Did you buy them a present?

1973
01:30:35,108 --> 01:30:36,508
No, but I dressed like him.

1974
01:30:36,568 --> 01:30:37,048
Can you tell?

1975
01:30:38,308 --> 01:30:39,688
And this is a big hint right here.

1976
01:30:41,488 --> 01:30:43,048
Is it Saw Hill?

1977
01:30:43,048 --> 01:30:43,528
Oh, wow.

1978
01:30:43,568 --> 01:30:44,788
Yeah, it's Saw Hill's birthday.

1979
01:30:45,048 --> 01:30:45,308
Oh.

1980
01:30:45,608 --> 01:30:45,848
Doxed.

1981
01:30:46,108 --> 01:30:46,928
Triple doxed.

1982
01:30:47,668 --> 01:30:48,588
Oh, whoopsies.

1983
01:30:50,068 --> 01:30:51,008
Cool stuff.

1984
01:30:51,428 --> 01:30:55,828
Well, happy birthday, Saw Hill, and we'll see you next time on Stacker News.

1985
01:30:57,068 --> 01:30:58,068
And Stacker News Live.

1986
01:30:58,068 --> 01:30:58,868
What are you doing this weekend?

1987
01:30:59,168 --> 01:30:59,708
Oh, wait.

1988
01:31:00,028 --> 01:31:00,968
Oh, you didn't end the show.

1989
01:31:01,088 --> 01:31:02,208
We were supposed to end it right there.

1990
01:31:02,968 --> 01:31:04,148
What am I doing this weekend?

1991
01:31:04,148 --> 01:31:04,248
Probably on format.

1992
01:31:05,068 --> 01:31:05,208
Yeah.

1993
01:31:06,188 --> 01:31:06,988
Probably freezing.

1994
01:31:07,108 --> 01:31:07,808
Yeah, probably freezing.

1995
01:31:08,268 --> 01:31:08,568
Okay.

1996
01:31:08,648 --> 01:31:09,428
And then working here.

1997
01:31:10,208 --> 01:31:13,828
Do you leave yourself outside when it freezes?

1998
01:31:14,568 --> 01:31:15,808
No, I brought that plant.

1999
01:31:16,048 --> 01:31:19,408
I brought Lamp in, and Jenna's going to take care of it.

2000
01:31:19,448 --> 01:31:19,968
So we'll see.

2001
01:31:20,228 --> 01:31:21,088
Hopefully Lamp can survive.

2002
01:31:21,228 --> 01:31:21,848
I'm going to re-bought Lamp.

2003
01:31:21,848 --> 01:31:23,468
I was worried about him.

2004
01:31:23,488 --> 01:31:23,808
Ooh.

2005
01:31:24,668 --> 01:31:24,948
Wow.

2006
01:31:24,948 --> 01:31:25,128
Yeah.

2007
01:31:25,368 --> 01:31:27,188
I was worried about my plant, so I brought it in.

2008
01:31:27,668 --> 01:31:28,708
It's a real luxury.

2009
01:31:28,708 --> 01:31:30,068
Me and that plant have been through a lot.

2010
01:31:30,168 --> 01:31:30,888
I love that plant.

2011
01:31:31,688 --> 01:31:33,828
Is that the one from 6th Street?

2012
01:31:34,528 --> 01:31:35,768
It sounded like it did occur.

2013
01:31:35,768 --> 01:31:37,648
No, I've had it for a really long time.

2014
01:31:37,648 --> 01:31:40,308
not before 6th street

2015
01:31:40,308 --> 01:31:42,408
did like a lady buy you that one

2016
01:31:42,408 --> 01:31:43,528
no

2017
01:31:43,528 --> 01:31:45,668
there's a whole back story to that

2018
01:31:45,668 --> 01:31:47,048
maybe I'll write a post about it this week

2019
01:31:47,048 --> 01:31:48,908
the story of a lamb

2020
01:31:48,908 --> 01:31:50,008
the story of a lamb

2021
01:31:50,008 --> 01:31:52,188
have a great weekend