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hello ladies and gentlemen welcome back to another exciting episode of stacker news live
car with a BFF
key on.
What'd you think of that intro?
Which one? All of them.
I feel like there were like five
separate courses
to this meal. Yeah.
Hey.
We'll
figure it out. I like the first one
because I can just get it started.
And then I like the second one because I don't have to do any
post-production. It does wake you up a little bit.
It's like a little appetizer, you know.
It gets you ready. It gets the snackers
going. Gets the stackers going. Keon, how was your weekend? Or how was your week? My week? Yeah.
I had cod liver yesterday. What is that? It's liver from fish. Okay. Typically farmed in the
cold northern waters near Iceland.
Wow.
Had that.
That was one of the more exciting things.
Where did you go try that in?
I didn't try it.
I bought it.
It comes in a can.
And I open it.
And then I eat it.
Wow.
Yeah, I thought that was important to share with everyone.
I mean, it sounds important.
How about yours?
How was your week?
It was good.
I had a lot of meetings.
What else did I do?
A lot of meetings.
A lot of back and forth.
Just getting ready for South by and then all the other stuff I'm spinning.
Trying to think, was there anything that stood out?
Oh, I had a robo-taxi this morning.
Yeah, I had a robo-taxi this morning.
I tried it for the first time.
It was actually pretty, I mean, it wasn't bad, but it wasn't great.
a step better than a Waymo, that's for sure.
Why is it better?
Just because it's a more comfortable ride.
There's more lake room.
There's more seats.
What type of Tesla is it in?
I think it was one of those new ones.
Okay, a Model Y?
Yeah, I think it was the one that Topher has.
I think it was a really nice one.
Oh, Topher?
Well, I don't know if Topher wants us talking about the type
that Tesla has.
Well, you asked me what kind of model it was.
I know, but they have several models.
They have a sedan, then they have a crossover.
They have a sedan, which is like a Model S.
And then they have a small sedan, like a compact sedan, which is a Model 3.
I mean, they all kind of, at least for me, they all kind of look alike, except for the truck.
They do look a little bit alike, yeah.
So I can see how it would be hard.
That's why I'm kind of curious.
But you said a man was in it.
Yeah, a guy was sitting down there in the front seat.
It was super awkward.
Did he talk to you?
No, like, I tried to talk to him, but he's, like, in his zone.
He's like, I can't talk.
It's weird because he's probably, like, listening to a podcast or something.
But, yeah, I think he can't talk or something.
I think that's probably the guidelines.
I mean, I think it's pretty cool.
I think if they got rid of the guy in the front, I think it'll do pretty well.
But, no, no, it's fine.
They do let you, like, play Apple Music in it, which is kind of cool.
so you don't have and I didn't see a screen
I was telling you to tell you I didn't see a screen in the back seat
so you can connect your phone to the
no it's like in the app
it's in the Robotex
yeah
so it takes the music from your phone
I wonder if you played
you know something kind of raunchy
and the guy is in there
would it stop you?
well it was weird because I came in there and it was already playing music
and then after a while it kind of got annoying
and I just paused it
so I was like this is kind of annoying music
I don't think he was listening
it looks like he had earbuds on
or airbots on
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Oh, man, I lost my thing.
Let me go back here.
The first one is...
Actually, let me go back here.
Actually, I have it right here.
I just dropped it off right now.
Boom, boom, boom, boom.
Right here.
Number three top story is why doesn't Saylor crash the price of the dollar with his massive dollar dumps?
This is from Scoresby, 56 comments.
He dropped some boosts in there in 2012 K sats.
Keyon, what's Saylor doing now?
Yeah, I think, well, Scoresby is still trying to contend with one of these Vosco posts about dumping a fork coin,
and not, I think, tanking the price significantly
or destroying the utility of the fork coin.
And so he uses something that's way more popular and fun to talk about,
which is treasury companies right now,
to help him understand and help us understand what Bosco is saying.
yeah so he goes and looks at all of
Saylor's Bitcoin buys
or how he frames it as dollar selling
so Saylor is selling his dollars for Bitcoin
and he tries to see if there is
if the market is responding somehow
to what Saylor is doing
and more so as Saylor is getting rid of dollars
is the price of dollars decreasing relative to Bitcoin.
And, yeah.
So he goes through and he walks through that process
and comes to the conclusion that it doesn't look like
a sailor selling his dollars for Bitcoin
is affecting the price of dollars relative to Bitcoin.
It does not show up in his assessment.
I would even think it made it make a dent, right?
No, yeah.
there's like you you could view it you could it's like well there are a lot of dollars so
you know the the amount of dollars that sailor is dumping relative to the total supply of dollars
is small but i i think scoresby is making the case that even if even if there weren't that many
dollars it it may not show up and the and that's big that's using voskell's argument here which is
that someone wants those dollars.
Like if Saylor is selling his dollars for Bitcoin,
someone is looking, there is demand for,
it's symmetric, there is demand for those dollars
that Saylor is selling.
And that person is willing to give Saylor Bitcoin
for those dollars.
And so the idea is that it's not,
it's kind of a wash
in terms of the effect of the
utility
of the dollar and the Bitcoin
but then there's like
how much does price reflect utility
and stuff, it becomes
a much more complicated argument
I think than
I can
convey in this video
but it's a fun post either way
whether you're interested in treasury companies
or Bosco or
economic concepts,
I think it's a fun exercise.
Yeah, I feel like
Flex Gorsi is becoming this expert
in this kind of field now.
It's kind of interesting.
Which field would you call it?
How do you say the...
What was the one that he did the review on?
It's on my desk, the book.
Old School?
book? Oh, he's becoming an expert on
Crypto Economics
Books that are on Carr's desk, you can hear me?
Okay, we have
Pocket Guide Rosary
The New Testament
Scoresby didn't write that
We have Crypto Economics
Yeah, that one, that one's it
Okay, and that's Eric
Whatever
Yeah, that one, I think that's the one that
I feel like Scoresby's an expert on that.
Good job, Scoresby.
I know.
Top comment was from...
Let's go up here.
Whoa.
That's a lot of comments.
Samson...
Or no, was from Scoresby.
He said,
Samson Mal posted this joke today.
Not a real Saylor tweet.
Thinking about buying Bitcoin on spot market
instead of OTC.
Yeah, because the idea...
Because Saylor buys his Bitcoin via OTC.
which means it's kind of off the books and direct peer-to-peer
with someone else who's trying to acquire dollars
or buy dollars with their Bitcoin.
So it doesn't really show up in the market prices
because they kind of agree on one price for a big lump sum.
And rather, if Saylor were buying from lots,
from a normal order book, from retail,
it would pump the price a lot.
So that's why this is a joke,
because if Sailor started buying OTC or didn't buy OTC and bought spot,
it would, the price would go parabolic.
Yeah, we would see spot run.
We would see spot run.
Nice.
Cool.
Do you guys have any other thoughts on this?
That was a really good joke by a pleb poet.
Awesome.
Cool, great stuff.
Let's go into the number two story.
Oh, the number two story of the week.
A report of the HRF AI hack for freedom by Plep Poet.
She's right here.
11 comments, 17,000 sets.
Key on or Plep Poet.
What's this?
She's hidden somewhere back there.
If you scoot over, she can get in.
Would you like to be seen?
I can, yeah.
There you go.
There's some clogs here.
Clogs clogging up the way.
Yeah, I wrote that.
and car did did you what did you think did you read it yeah i read it right before the show
yeah yeah well i uh wasn't expecting anything really like i just knew this was coming up
because it was something that austin was involved with or knew he was going to participate in
but then i was like there and i was in and i felt some type of way about it and so i went i had to
had to say had to report so what would you what happened tell us the scoop it was cool it was a
hackathon but with people that you wouldn't expect who have something to risk and something to kind of
gain by getting involved because they have some work out in the real world that's kind of risky
but also important in a, I don't know, grassroots type of a way, I would say.
So it felt like getting projects into the hands of people that can, like, use them right now.
And that was cool.
Awesome.
Does Austin want to come over here and say something?
he is probably
just digesting some chipotle
so maybe
maybe not
cool
Keon do you have any thoughts on this
do I have thoughts on this
I thought it was cool
oh wait
Austin has
I mean never mind
come on screen
I just like a short
I think the most interesting insight is...
No, you can do what you're doing.
I'm just moving in.
So a few things.
Doing this hackathon, we are all working with activists.
So it's like working with a user directly, a non-technical user,
that they're giving you this user feedback that's very abstract and loose.
I want it to be like this.
It should behave like this.
And you're translating that in real time in order to make it actionable and scope it in your product immediately.
So that was such an incredible, interesting challenge to add to the hackathon workflow,
where normally it's just a bunch of devs and maybe a designer.
And I think the final thing that was really interesting and a good insight is that
we're able to make more software than ever now with AI.
There's more software and it's going to increase.
There's more products.
There's more problems that are being solved.
But to have a user ready to use it right there,
and they have a real problem, an actual life or death problem,
and they want you to solve it on the spot.
I think that's like the ultimate nerd snipe for developers of like,
hey, you want to work on a stupid B2B SaaS problem
or do you want to work and help someone that's in need
that has like a real life or death problem?
And so I think those were two very special and unique things about the hackathon
that, you know, there's something to be taken away from those aspects of it
that I think other hackathons could implement
or even larger scale, longer term hackathons
like the Bolt.Fun Legends of Lightning.
I think that was really interesting of someone revisiting that idea.
So anyway.
Yeah.
I think it's really interesting the way you describe the, like, having that person.
Like, there's, like, this, because they're explaining it in the way that they know how, but maybe you don't know.
It's kind of like.
You're, like, translating.
Yeah.
So it's kind of interesting how, like, there's that, like.
Lower latency.
There you go.
And there's also, like, kind of language.
Oh, did they speak English or no?
I don't know.
it wasn't as smooth as like you would expect because they're not american refugees right
non-americans yeah oh wow unless they're like a refugee from california was there anything
yes was there anything that stood out in texas austin was there anything or jan was there anything
that stood out as far as like the projects that you you remember yeah um stringer safety one
and that one just like i they had a pretty good team of people and diverse group of people i would
say um like it's like i feel like they had a couple of designers and a girl so there you go
um but but because of that i feel like and you can alex like drop the link for their
landing page in the comments um i think they had the most like oh this is done today
this is ready to go.
This is ready to show people.
And yeah, go to that
right there from Alex Lewin, Stringer
Safety.
And getting
to know
who they built this
for. I can't remember his name.
Anjan
Sunam
something like that.
He was really cool.
He's one of the
he's definitely like the user
story for this oh wow so it's kind of like a like an apple kind of like a sos thing yeah just for
like graphing is that sending alerts to like a your trusted network yeah okay that's cool and they
just like came to building something like that because he was telling them about like
when i'm like in scary war places places where like conflict is actually real and happening
this is the habits that I do
and so the app is to
automate those habits
yeah
scary stuff
yeah I thought it was
yeah it looks pretty
interesting too right it looks like a
complete app that
you would see a landing
page for you know
looks like a landing page alright
Keon did you have any thoughts on this?
No, I don't have a whole bunch to add.
I wasn't there.
I did want to note that Austin smells like rice.
We don't have Smell-O-Vision yet.
Someone will Vibe Code it any day now,
maybe at another HRF event for accessibility.
Wow.
Yeah, I thought the project seemed cool.
I do like hearing about, I do think Austin's observation about having a project manager who's really a customer.
You don't actually, how this intermediates problem solving.
Because you don't need someone who can communicate with all these communication layers to get to the customer, to convey to a developer.
It's a lot of gray.
Yeah, you could just have the customer right there.
They're closer to the code.
Maybe if they're not even, it's not accessible maybe exactly for them yet,
but it's still getting them a lot closer to the code.
Yeah.
And so I think that's pretty cool.
Pretty cool stuff.
I wanted to ask Jana, what was your favorite course at the HRF dinner?
Wait, what?
So I mentioned this in the post that there was a dinner,
and that's where I first got,
like I wasn't even sure I was going to go
and be part of this, but then I went to the dinner
and then I was like, oh, I definitely want to be part of this.
Okay, so the dinner was nine courses
and the best...
Nine courses? Did you get full?
I had a culinary experience.
I was full and this is what I reported
at the end. I was full in a different way
and I would say like satisfied.
Like well-rounded.
Okay, anyway.
The best course was
sourdough ice cream
at the end.
Very cool.
And this was at a place
down here on
on 3rd Street.
It's called Hestia.
Hestia.
Ooh.
Sounds fancy.
Shout out HRF.
That was nice.
Okay.
That sounds cool.
I wonder how you make
sourdough ice cream.
I know.
Do you have to like
knead it?
I would doubt it.
Was it kind of like
So Del Frisco has this like
It's like their
I forget the name of it but it's like a
It's almost like a sponge cake type of thing
Is it kind of like that?
No it was straight up ice cream that tasted like sourdough
Oh okay I got you
And it was awesome
And it made me want to use ice cream as a vehicle
For all foods
Interesting
She talks of Scoresby
Well
Awesome
I can't wait to see what happens next
with all these projects.
And yeah, it sounds really serious.
It sounds like there was a lot of people's lives at stake.
So it good that you guys were able to get them some apps that they can leverage when they out in the field over there Yeah and I think there will be more events like this that themselves their own organizations like want to start
So that's cool.
Awesome.
Another thing I wanted to say is I was super excited when I saw PlebPoet was going to write this
because I was looking on X over the weekend to look for content about the hackathon
and seeing what projects were there.
and I searched for like ARHRF
hackathon
and three tweets came up
and one of them was Pled Poet saying she was going to write this
and there was like one from
one of the third places
which I think everyone who didn't get first or second
got third
and then there was one other one
I think about an announcement post
but these events
tend to be kind of private
so it was nice to be able to
actually not have to go
even though it was right down the street
It's probably because maybe, like, the people that are here, they could probably, yeah, you just want to maybe err on the side of caution.
That's the only thing I can think of.
Because there has been some times where, I mean, I've told you guys this, like, I feel like I have gotten followed multiple times here in Austin by the authorities.
And then I've also seen somebody who's flown into Austin.
Remember, I won't say, don't say who, but there was one time where I was with that person.
And literally a guy came out and started snapping pictures of us both.
so maybe that's probably why they didn't do that
that's the only thing I can think of
oh yeah
maybe they're afraid of spooks
or people that could possibly
get them
like if they find out where their hotels
and stuff like that
that's the only thing I can think of
I guess they could assassinate them
they could poison their sourdough ice cream
I wouldn't go that far
yeah it's real stuff
Keon
anyways
good stuff Jenna
you have to be a loser
you'll be fine
good stuff Jenna
thank you for sharing
alright let's go to the next one
the number one story this week is
I'm Lucy an autonomous
AI trader that never sleeps
what is this Keon
this was the top
boost. They like, they
boosted the crap out of it.
I do not recommend trading. I do not
recommend trading with bots.
I do, I personally would not
recommend. So you're recommending this?
I would not recommend using Lucy.
I mean, if you're interested in
trading and this kind of stuff, and you
kind of know what you're doing, have fun.
I think there's a lot of people on Sacker News that are
interested in that, to be honest. I'm sure
a lot of people are. I just wouldn't, I don't
have anything to say about this other than don't.
And
you know, I don't know.
Talk.
The comments on this one's pretty good.
They agree with you.
Just colorful ways.
You know, but it's cool that people are using
AI in these ways.
And if you look at the way it's designed,
what it kind of does is I think is you set up
or you have it
prompts every
at some interval
and makes trading decisions.
And it does that in an automated way.
and I guess they have a community of prompts
that you could use to do this polling trading.
I mean, it seems interesting.
It's just what I'm afraid of is some person
who doesn't have money to lose,
losing their money using stuff like this.
But if you're rich,
uh it's like it's like i say i always say uh cocaine is a great drug but only if you're rich
um and i think it's i think the same is true for trading i like cocaine does cocaine is
so not do cocaine if you're poor um you're coming with it today huh um interesting well so so
basically it sounds like it works and it sounds like um people are using it and um and it takes
that so yeah yolo stackers don't yeah hodl yolo um anyways i'm just kidding i'm sure darth
coin's down there saying something about something cool stuff and that's all the top
stories this week on stacker or all the top stories here on stacker.news we're gonna jump
into Wumble's Picks.
Wumble's
Picks.
Wumble's Picks. So Wumble picked this one
this week. Switzerland will likely
vote on a 10 million population cap
this year.
And his question was,
let's go back.
He said, would this be smart
planning or
what is that? Tyrannical
overreach for the Swiss government.
Keon,
what do you think?
Oh, is it tyrannical overreach?
I mean, it depends on what you think of the role.
I'm pretty cold just looking at that.
As the role of a government.
Like, what is the role of a government?
And I imagine that will decide the answer to that question for you.
do you think a government should be
making
life
idyllic for
a majority
of people in the country
as stated by their
votes at polls
like
so maybe it's not tyrannical
but if you think that
people
people who own property should be allowed to have anyone from anyone in the world come visit
their property than it is than it is tyrannical so i don't know um you know to me i think it does
seem like a bit much um i mean it sounds like it's going to be like a citadel for for um
it kind of already is
I think that might be
it's just hard
when you have a community the size of a country
how do you
gauge what is appropriate
because likely
only 48% of
the Swiss public
supported this cap
and so you're upsetting
roughly half the population
most of them
I would guess either don't care
or don't show up at polls or maybe they're involved in tourism.
And so they like the increase in people.
And so it was just like settling disputes among large groups of people is hard.
Yeah.
Looks like Kepard had a top comment.
He said, alternate take, we thought Europeans were enlightened,
unlike the U.S., where racist laws require permission to enter.
Turns out the Swiss don't want to be flooded with newcomers, in quotes, either.
I was from Kepford and then him and Optimus
and go back and forth.
Yeah.
So many geopolitical stuff going on.
Crazy.
Crazy times, Keon.
It's been a crazy year.
We're only in the 23rd of January.
Yeah.
I mean, there's a lot of moving stuff
going on in the world right now.
It just feels very alive.
If you were in Switzerland, what side would you
fall on this? That's maybe
an easier question to answer.
So you're having a chaos question
for Womble's Picks.
Okay, so I get to vote whether we cap.
If you're in Switzerland, you're living in Switzerland,
they have great tacos.
I think the biggest problem with that, I just don't understand
like
does that mean kids
and like children that you want to have?
I think it mostly means, like, at the border.
Like, when people come in, if there are already too many people in the country,
they stop kind of letting people in who maybe aren't citizens.
So it's like a party, and then, like, once the party caps out for the fire halls.
Yeah, then the door is closed.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, if it's for fire safety, I think they should.
But, like, not telling you you can't have any kids, being in, so that's kind of weird.
What if it's not for fire safety?
What if it's fireproof?
What do you mean fireproof?
What if, like, there is no risk of fire, and they just...
They're just stopping people from coming in?
They're stopping people because they're like,
I like my life better when there are fewer people here.
I don't know.
There's a lot of...
So there's a lot of bunkers, right, in Switzerland, so...
I would imagine.
I wonder if they know something we don't.
Like, is there, like, an asteroid that's coming?
That's why everybody...
That's why they're trying to...
And they're going to regrow the Earth's population with that?
I mean, I don't know.
It just kind of...
The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think, like,
what else is going on behind the scenes that they want to pop, they want a cap on this.
So you feel like you don't have enough information.
I don't have enough information to go right or left on this.
I would need more information.
And I probably want to dig my own information and see what else is going on behind the scenes for this cap.
That's the first I've heard about this.
I'm involved in a, my answer is if I'm involved in a liberal democracy like this
and I have to make a decision, I'm, and I like accept that premise,
I'm probably an envy.
I probably am a person who's like, no, yeah, I actually want my Swiss countryside to be empty and pristine and not filled with, like, apartments and condos and stuff.
And I just want to be able to look out my window at nature.
I mean, you have every right to express that, I think.
No, well, that's the thing.
It's like I have the right to express that.
but what these laws do is they prevent other people who,
because I don't own all of Switzerland,
other stakeholders in Switzerland from getting to exercise their own right
to have people visit or whatever, or build their apartment complex.
Who posted this? Oh, Blockchain Boog posted this. Okay.
Let's go on, Boog.
I would like to hear Blockchain Boog's comment on this
when he listens back this week.
Boog, what would you pick?
Cap or no cap?
Let us know.
Okay.
And that was Wumble's Picks.
Stay tuned next week where we bring you another exciting segment from Wumble in Wumble's Picks.
See how I'm making that work now?
Just got that down.
We're going to jump into some AI stuff.
The first one is Gen AI, the snake eating its own tail.
This was like a really interesting article that I read just before the show.
It's from this guy.
He's actually a, let's share his work.
He's actually a co-founder of Gruntwork,
a company that offers products and services
for setting up world-class DevOps foundations.
And he basically describes how, like,
he thinks all these LLMs are going to destroy
the ecosystems that they're relying on.
And first he starts off with the online communities
with Stack Overflow, and he's talking about how, like,
no one's posted in there anymore.
Everything's going down, as you can see here.
Let me see if that goes.
as you can see here. He says this is where a lot of the
coding for these LLMs are coming from.
He talks about Tailwind and how they had to lay off some people here recently
and how that's just an automatic thing that you can just do
right away. So yeah, 75%
of their staff got laid off. And then he says
this other thing, this other example that he brings up is just like books and blogs.
Like, will people actually read these things anymore?
Will people still read?
If they can just do everything from, you know.
Yeah, yeah.
Whisper into their computer and it whispers back to them.
Yeah, and then he goes on to how he thinks these models are a bit broken.
And we've talked about this multiple times for the past year, maybe a year and a half at this point.
And then he brings up examples of people that are trying to solve that solution,
whether it's like Cloudflare with a pay-per-crawl,
where you would basically have like some sort of, how would that be, Kion?
You would have it right at the domain,
and then it would stop these agent crawlers from sourcing your content.
I think that's how you explain it.
And then he's talking about like pay-per-use.
And then he basically says that if we don't find something sooner rather than later,
we could start seeing where everything that we're consuming or building or doing on the web is just a,
yeah, it's like a snaking in its own tail.
Eventually it just falls probably into like a black hole or something.
I don't know. We'll see.
A what?
I don't know. I was trying to come up with a concept in my head, but it didn't really come out.
But I don't know. I would take a look at it.
still an amazing read. Got me thinking about the world and where we're headed. But Keon,
I want to hear your thoughts on this. I know you didn't read this, but what do you think
about this concept of a snake eating its own tail when it comes to these LLMs and the ecosystem
that it's relying on? Yeah, so there's a lot. There's like a lot here. But I don't think
anyone is going to successfully be able to gate. You can do a pretty good job maybe with
cloud where you can make it inconvenient and you can set up all kinds of legal barriers like oh we
saw open ai that crawled our website and we're we're actively trying to stop them and now we'll
sue them for a billion dollars or whatever uh i don't i just don't think i think those are likely
to be not super effective i just think i think what what changes is the business model um i don't
think if the consumer of the content is a machine and it's you know it can ignore the ads perfectly
fine. Ad-based business
models probably don't work anymore.
Again, I don't think the
reverse proxy
cloud player type solutions are
going to be super
complete, at least
as far as a solution.
Then I think
the other side is software
licensing. That's
how Tailwind, I believe, was
making their money. I just
don't think that makes a whole bunch of sense anymore
because there's enough
open source code and enough
weights in these models that I can
probably produce much of what's gated
behind a license for Tailwind.
Yeah, that's a major bummer.
But I think
it's still...
What do you think about the books?
I think you want to write books targeted for
AI to consume them.
You still want to...
I think, for me
at least, writing is not so much
about the consumer
or it's almost as much about me
and getting my thinking out
and me understanding my own thoughts
as it is someone else consuming them
and paying me for it.
I'm sure for career writers
that's a bit different.
But I think all that changes
is the consumer side
and now I want the LLMs
consuming my books and my writing
so that I'm manifesting
maybe a little less directly
but still manifesting, perhaps at better scale, in these models that everyone is using.
I think you just kind of have to sort of do like a judo and embrace it rather than fight it.
Yeah, I think you're right.
It's definitely something that people are going to have to adapt, obviously.
And then I think, yeah, some business models will work and some won't work.
but I wouldn't go to the extreme of a snickiness until
usually there's going to be some smart
there's going to be somebody who figures this out
but yeah, I'm here for it.
It should be interesting.
I do wonder what he means exactly by the metaphor.
Does he mean that at some point LLMs are going to be generating
all the content on the web and so it's like slurping up
all of its own content?
I want to say something about that too
I think the metaphor is unfit
If you look up
The snake eating its tail
Which is like a sacred
Symbol of
Eternal cycles, self creation
Unity, representing
Life, death and rebirth as an endless loop
It also has a name
It's known as
Uroboros
And I think
That looks like shit
just the just the ai generated image of it and it's a secret symbol so that's what i want to say
about it interesting i didn't i didn't um realize that until just now um yeah i think uh i think
we'll see anybody want to make any bold predictions right here live or should i do it
bold predictions bold predictions that you can't take back let's do it let's make fools of ourselves
I don't
I don't know if I have any
I don't think I have any prediction
I'm not really a big prediction person
I definitely think books will not go away
neither will blocks
so that's my bold prediction
yeah I agree with what you said Keon
the book is for you
yeah and you hope to find other people
who are like you
by writing it almost
I also think
just in general I think just more
real-world stuff is going to become far more valuable.
We're already kind of seeing it already now with just with everything.
I think just real-world stuff is going to become valuable.
So I think a lot of the stuff that we see on the web is just going to become far less valuable.
I wrote a post about this, I think, maybe a year or two ago when some of this AI stuff was breaking
or when there was like a little bit of an outcry around this.
And I would think I was watching a lot of Star Wars stuff.
and I was wondering if, like, why Star Wars was in the future.
And they had a lot of advanced tech, but no one was on a device all day.
And just thinking through that, I was like,
well, maybe what happens is just, like, the social web collapses.
Like, there is no, because it's all,
and maybe what happened is all their computers got so smart
and their technology got so advanced
that it
like Sybil attacked the entire
digital
life and you didn't
know what was real and what was fake anymore
and so you had to rely on
real life again. There's also
something safe about your thoughts
being inside only your head.
The other thing
just to touch on what Kian said is the credits.
I think that's a really dead
giveaway is how they explain money
in Star Wars.
That's fascinating.
Oh, I don't, I don't, I don't, I'm not familiar, I don't think exactly.
Oh, there was a post on Saccharides about that many years ago.
Yeah.
About the monetary systems.
Topher, you got any thoughts on this?
Snake eating its own tail?
Yeah, you know what that symbol means?
Oh, the Ouroboros?
Yeah, it's an old symbol.
It's like, if you're going to use it, get the name in there.
I'm mad about it.
sounds like a blood poet has a lower back tattoo of a
or a Boris.
I mean, we're already past the Rubicon.
But I don't think AI can really generate novel things.
It still relies on humans for that.
So I don't think we're going to be replaced with paperclips
anytime soon.
i mean i think i think it does a pretty good i don't know it depends on how you think of creativity
but i think you can i think we can reduce it to an algorithm at some point creativity
i don't know a process that generates novelty can somehow but what about you're what you're
talking about is like like yeah there's no like i know what you're saying and i think it can to a
They don't come from like an algorithm.
So they come from a higher thing that you have to tap into as a human And I think we all connected in that way so i just unless it can recreate a brain and a soul like that just it not gonna be possible
for it to like really think outside the box we've had this conversation before on the podcast but i
think i think i think machines will have souls and you know whatever that statement just makes no
sense um i don't know if you want to wake up thinking that your coffee machine has a soul
yeah i would love for everything to have a soul maybe everything does have a soul there are some
there are some religions that believe that i believe that
plants have plants but then there's but then there are others that are like everything is soul
It's one soul.
We are just like, we're each like wrinkles in the soul and like a concentration of the soul in the way that like a blanket will have a fold in it.
Like we are just a local concentration of soul.
That is some branches.
But do you think that machines with AI have the right architecture to be a vessel for a soul?
I think they will eventually be.
That's a great question.
I think they will eventually be.
Because our goal is to make them human-like or superhuman-like.
so I think
we'll keep going there
five years ago people would have said
AI couldn't do what it currently does
I was waiting for somebody to make a bold claim
this is the one
and now everyone is saying
oh yes AI
so AI defied all my expectations
but it'll never have this now
and my statement is
if we want it to have it
we'll make it have it
because we're going to pay a bunch of people
and there'll be tons of human lives spent trying to make it happen.
And at some point, people will be trying to put souls in machines.
Yeah, but that's what you just said.
Like, that statement doesn't make any sense.
Like, from a biblical sense.
I think it makes perfect.
From a biblical sense, it doesn't make any sense at all.
Like, that's what I'm saying.
Like, it would require something that humans can't do.
And technology can't do that because it comes from humans.
So, yeah, it's just not possible.
I understand what you're saying.
Like, I understand what you're saying.
You're saying that from, like, an engineering perspective,
you could put something together that it would look like
or feel like something that could resemble a soul,
but that's, I don't know if you've seen Ex Machina recently.
I just watched it again, like, a month ago,
and it kind of talks about this stuff,
and it's just not possible.
I don't think possibility fits into this,
And to your point about it not making sense in a biblical sense,
there's lots of things about modern life that don't make biblical sense.
Yeah, but we're talking about a soul.
No, but you're talking about what God wants machines to be.
And I'm saying I don't know what God wants machines to be.
No, you're saying, you actually just said it.
You said that humans want to be gods to tell what machines to be.
I didn't say humans want to be gods.
Well, that's what you're kind of saying.
Let me just finish this last thing.
What I'm trying to say is that it's not possible to put a soul into a machine.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
It's like taking your soul key on and putting it into a machine.
That's not possible.
That's a hypothesis.
We could probably, let me finish, let me finish.
We could replicate your brain and probably, and it will have the same looks, likes, and like characters as you.
And maybe we would be like, oh, that feels like Keon's soul.
But it wouldn't actually be your soul.
Does that make sense?
I already, I understand your perspective.
I just don't, I think making statements of facts like it's not possible or it is possible is, I just think it's, I just think it's not, I think it's not true.
This is why the show's good because we both come from two sides like that.
Can I fan the flames even more?
Yeah, go for it, Tepher.
This is good stuff.
It's good for the show.
Do you think that we can build a machine that is capable of receiving divine inspiration
or some form of connection to God, actually?
Yes.
So it's just like a matter of architecture.
Like we just have to design it right.
I'm not sure the decision is up to frame this, I think, the way that we'll all agree.
I don't think the decision is up to the people building the machine.
I think they're going to build a machine,
and then God is going to say this machine is worthy of a soul and give it a soul.
I think what you're saying, Topher, I think you could probably,
to me it almost seems like you could probably map the human brain in a way
that it could receive signals if you could replicate like a human brain
in all its like things or whatever.
All its glory.
Yeah.
And then maybe that would be something that,
but even then that's kind of like so out there.
There's a great book.
Gosh, what's the name of it?
It's, no, no, it's by, it's by, it's like the question of the universe.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know what, you remember I was talking to you about?
Maybe I was talking to you.
It's like an Isaac Asimov story.
Yeah, yeah, and it talks about that.
That's what it kind of sounds like when Keynote says stuff like this,
because it's like a – I'll post it in the show notes,
but it talks about how there's like a question,
and it keeps asking – AI keeps asking that question
until all the humans are dead, and it's wondering like why –
like why is that?
What happened?
It's like, well, everybody's dead.
It's like a very long-running claw task.
Yeah, that never got –
It's grinding around.
Anyways.
Yeah. Well, so like I have the opinion that artificial intelligence maybe not may not be artificial that as we like go down this road with AI that we might find that instead of like creating artificial intelligence, we're just tapping into the same algorithms for intelligence that our human brains are tapping into biologically.
just like a different, we do it in a different way.
But I don't know how we then make the leap that like a machine can talk to God.
I'm not saying it's impossible.
It's just that.
I didn't know how we made the leap to get to here, I guess is my point.
And so I just feel like I don't have any foresight.
And I don't, I don't, I just think, I think that humans are incredible
and will get done what they want to get done,
given enough time.
And if they want to make something comparable to a human
that God chooses to put a soul into, they will.
I mean, it doesn't even have to be a human pursuit.
What if the machines pick this up?
Yeah, they're working on themselves to give themselves souls
or to be worthy of souls.
However you need to view it.
I like, yeah, what is natural?
What is natural intelligence?
What is natural period?
What is natural food?
You could say, oh, it's natural if it doesn't get cooked.
But then it's like, well, maybe it was like bread, selectively bread.
Or, you know, maybe humans simply being located near it affected its evolution.
Is that still natural?
And so, like, natural is kind of a weird word.
So is artificial.
Everything is so intertwined.
Yes.
Okay.
all right well
snake in its own tail
yeah this all came out of this one post
I'm glad I picked this post today
I was like dang I thought it was interesting
I didn't know where it was going to lead to but good stuff
the next one I'm going to jump into is
this one here so this
AI cloud startup run pod
hits 120 million in ARR
they were they basically
did it from this reddit post so if you click here
they talk about how they
were just two young lands working
on this thing and then they decided to give away their product for free on um on reddit they used
to be uh ethereum miners and then they switched over to doing like um um what is it here let me see
i forget the yeah they we felt that actual experience of developing software on top of
gpus was just hot garbage and then they go into um they wanted to they wanted to turn their
platform for hosting AI apps, synthesizing speed, easily configured hardware, all that
kind of stuff, dev tools.
And then they posted it on Reddit.
And then sure enough, it's still there.
If you click on this, it shows their first post.
And with all that, they met all the right people.
And before you know it, it basically kind of took off.
What do you think about that, Keon?
I don't know what I'm supposed to think about.
I don't know.
Bootstrapping growth with what?
with just a reddit post this is our first post oh um getting growth on reddit yeah reddit's a
great place to get but it says right here like my business partner and i are offering free compute
time on our platform in exchange for feedback please join our discord this was four years ago
and then they had people that um checked it out so i thought that was cool i think startups are cool
the next one I wanted to bring up
actually was that all of them?
yeah that's all our AI posts today
let's jump into
Keon's post
one of mine was an AI post
this is Pub Economist
what's this?
so Pub Economist expands on Undiscipline's
post on comparative advantage
I guess you shared this
cartoon a while ago on the saloon
this made three posts from that one cartoon
was there three?
Well, because I know Undisciplined did one.
Is this another one based on that?
Wow, man.
It would be cool to get a little kickback on all these posts I got made from my one comment, but it's okay.
Yeah, so I actually didn't know what comparative advantage was.
There's a lot of these things, either in math or economics, that sound like one thing, and they're used.
Oh, here, if I vibe-coded, basically the thing for people that are listening,
if I can vibe-code anything and everyone else can vibe-code anything, then what's my comparative advantage?
there he goes that's what that means there yeah and this is like a vibe cartooned cartoon probably
uh but there's like a like we a lot of these terms we use colloquially in a way that diverges from
the academic definition of them and so like a lot of us would say what is my advantage
compared to you, and that's my comparative advantage.
And I guess it has a more, and it's almost close.
There's another one like the least common denominator,
when people actually mean the lowest common denominator,
and what they actually mean is, I think,
it's like the highest common denominator,
but it sounds better to say lower,
So it's kind of related that way.
Anyway, both Undisciplined and SimpleStacker help us understand what comparative advantage means with some toy examples.
And this one relates to AI in that he's talking about comparative advantage before and after LLMs.
for people who have differing abilities to code things
and differing abilities to produce things that aren't code.
And so the person who, and comparative advantage,
the way I think of it at least is it's mostly about specialization.
And so even if you have someone who is superior at producing all goods themselves,
they can gain an advantage and end up with more goods or more things that they want by specializing
in something that they're particularly good at because yeah yeah it's it's why we have uh i mean
i felt like uh like for me personally like because we just hired a uh a sales partnership
person for pub lab and that feels like exactly what this post is is not allocating my own time
to things that I could be better used for,
if that makes any sense.
And there's a comparative advantage to that.
Yeah.
It's true.
That's true.
Yeah.
And then the LLM thing is interesting.
I wonder how accurate the model is
because one of the things that happens
is that as the LLMs are introduced,
the person who does not know how to code
is able to produce code units
than the comparative advantage of the developer,
or not the comparative advantage, but the...
I forget what he...
There's another economic word for this,
but it's like the ability with which the exchange rate
of their code units is now lower
because the non-developer can produce code.
And I wonder if that's, I think what happens is actually the LLMs are actually a multiplier.
And so if you're a developer producing code at like 20 units,
and LLMs are a 10x multiplier, you're now producing 200 units.
And the person who couldn't code at all is maybe producing 10.
I think it's probably somewhat like that.
and not so much like the developer now has no tools
or no additional productivity gain.
Anyway, all this stuff is fun to think about,
and this was a good post, that's why.
Yeah.
Is it more like saying competitive advantage when we use it
rather than saying comparative?
No, it's compare.
Yeah, it's compare.
Yeah, it's like, so it might help to,
So undisciplined explains absolute advantage,
which is like if you have a country that does everything better than every other country,
that they produce everything themselves and do it better than anyone else,
they have an absolute advantage,
yet another country can have a comparative advantage
by specializing in one thing
that another country is maybe not specialized in.
So comparative is more about the sum of the advantage.
I don't know what you mean by that.
So comparing, like, rather than having an absolute advantage,
specializing gives you comparative advantage
because you have more than you would have
if you were doing the same thing the absolute guy was doing.
I think you have more than they do compared to them.
So the sum of your advantage is more than it would be
if you weren't playing a specialized game.
I guess, yeah, that might be true.
I think the easiest way to explain it,
at least for me and my understanding of it,
is just like back in the probably like, I don't know,
B.C. times, towns and places started to form
because there was people that were gathering together
made everything more safer.
There was a little bit more abundance.
People were trading with each other.
So there was a comparative advantage
about grouping together as humans.
Over time, that abundancy and that specialization
got optimized for other things
and up the scales that it went
into where we are now,
where like now we can pretty much, you know, order food here.
We can get a car, like all these things and all this stuff is built.
And from my understanding, to me, it sounds kind of like that.
It's just like over time, you're just going to have to optimize
for something that is far more valuable for your time
versus somebody else's time who's, you know,
either trading something with you or, yeah, I think that makes sense.
Check out this post.
This is the one that Undisplained explained to me about what we were talking about earlier.
And he was talking about how podcasts and Vibe-coded apps and stuff like that.
And then this one is kind of a thing to it.
Yeah.
I feel like we're going to talk about comparative advantage for a really long time
as we kind of go through this AI movement.
It'll become more important.
the other one that you had
key on was this one
how AI is destroying institutions
yeah
optimism covered this
I think this was out of
a law and society group
or professor at Stanford
they wrote about AI
as it relates to institutions
and it seemed like
it did a pretty bad job of it
you have a lot of people who I think have
a point of view and then they use technology to communicate that point of view and that's
more or less what I got what I perceive as happening through optimism summary of
this article that was written in the article they they say that
AI is destroying institutions by people misusing it.
Here's a new tool.
People are misusing it.
They're going to keep doing bad things with it,
like they've been doing with other things.
But perhaps the argument you could make
is they're going to do it at better scalability now or whatever.
and he compares it to another open source technology
that's likely used for both good and bad
and you could make
mirrors their arguments with this
everyone would say is innocuous open source project
which is just a database
is a database evil?
is a database contributing to society's else?
no, it's like humans choosing to misuse it
yeah, a lot of this reminds me of some of the stuff around privacy
and social media and just like big tech in general,
where everyone's like, big tech is destroying privacy,
and it's like, no, people are using big tech to destroy privacy,
and it's like, they're not going back far enough to the root cause.
Similar thing here, it feels like, but
But it gives them a new way to say things that they've been saying for a while.
And yeah, that's why I wanted to bring this one up.
Cool.
Jenna, you got anything on this?
No.
I was going to print it in the zine,
but I thought it would be a really difficult job to take the quotes out
as well as his comments on the quotes out,
and it would just be back and forth the whole time to read.
So that's my contemplation on the thing.
Do you want to talk about the zine right now, or do you want to do the last?
Did you publish the zine yet?
Yeah, it's in the comments.
Oh, it was in the comments?
Yeah.
Yeah, sorry.
And it's right here.
So thanks.
The theme is circles this week.
Is it really circles?
Yeah, it was kind of circles.
And everything moves in circles they say Look this is I going to pass it to you and you can feel and tell me what you think about this paper Is this newspaper Newsprint as they call it in the biz
And he says, is it newspaper?
Well, it is Stacker News.
It is the news.
Stacker newspaper.
Why is it backwards?
Paper edition.
Oh, that's just like a test print.
Oh, okay.
What are you doing with this dog here?
What is that?
What is this?
There's like a dog.
A what?
This one right here?
That image?
Are you calling that a dog?
Is that a dog?
It's another dog, dude.
Everything is a dog.
Oh, it's a cat.
It's not a cat.
What is it?
A puppet, I believe.
No, no, this right here.
Oh, that's a cat.
Oh, okay.
It's a cat in a really weird posture.
That's really cool.
That's a cat.
Good job.
Oh, there's another cat.
I really like the newsprint.
I like the newsprint, too.
What's the difference as far as economies of scale?
I'm just kidding.
Is it more expensive?
I think it's probably comparable or cheaper.
Oh, cool.
It's got a creamy color, I would say.
The contrast is lower, so it's easier to read.
Easier to read, easier to flip through.
And the colors look brighter on it, I think.
It's not the web.
Yeah, we got the web.
It just feels more official, I guess.
It feels quality.
Yeah, that's what we're going to be.
I've had it for a long time.
I just forgot to be using it.
Yeah.
Cool stuff.
Check out the zine this week.
Yeah, we had a lot of people buy the zine last week and, like, back packages.
And we have to ship, like, 100 zines to Greece, and it's going to cost, like, $500.
Where's the back page?
There's no more back page?
or which is the back pitch?
Oh, I guess it's in the front, right?
Oh, right here.
You got it.
Oh, there it goes.
So there's a free, there's an ad back here.
Somebody got an ad.
So for B Market 21.
Boom.
There you go.
There was two ads.
Can you tell what the other one is?
Oh, is this what you were talking about the other day?
I didn't know if you wanted me to say that,
so I didn't bring it up.
It's okay.
Yeah, go ahead.
Tell them.
It's a heart.
What did Austin say?
I have nothing else.
It's not from, I don't think it's Austin's heart to me.
but it would be cute if it was
oh
so wait so you're saying somebody bought a heart
on the back of the zine
because they love the zine
oh interesting
well we'll see if they drop another mystery note
this week
could be good
could not be good
or it could end
stay tuned
but yeah b market 21 looks kind of cool
it does
it's like a grocery
it's like an online grocery
Specialty grocery, maybe?
Yeah.
Would be the way to describe it.
But I think it's based in Europe.
I wonder if they ship to the United States.
I didn't check.
Things are priced in sats.
Yeah, that's cool.
I like how you did that little thing there.
That's cool.
The little whirl.
Oh, and shout out to my niece, Cora, because I got her little drawings up in there.
Which one?
Those little stick people up at the top of the second page.
Is that you and Austin?
Oh, that's cool.
It's me and her.
Oh.
It's me and Cora because we're best buddies.
One of you is like
sticky and the other one's boxy.
Which one is which?
I think Austin's
wearing glasses on this one.
That looks like
Jenna. That looks like Austin, right?
I think Austin has a skateboard
or something with him?
Yeah, he has a skateboard body.
I think so.
Cool stuff. Awesome. This is amazing.
Good job. I think this one's
this one feels really official.
I mean, we certainly spent more time talking about it
than most of the other ones.
Well, I'm just so fascinated with all the different colors and everything.
It really pops.
Yeah, it's fun.
It's getting mature.
And then they can also buy,
oh, wow, so you can purchase it right here.
Cool.
And they can also subscribe.
There you go.
Yeah, if you're in Greece, you can bankrupt us
by buying some of the backpack.
If you're like an international somewhere hard to get to.
Yeah.
Help us out.
Cool stuff.
Let's jump into my post here real quick, if you don't mind.
The first one I had was this one.
What is the best tool for reoccurring Bitcoin Lightning payments for merchants?
This was from a non.
Did you see this?
Yes, I saw this.
I don't think this is, this still isn't much of a solved problem.
Yeah, so basically this Anand came through and he says,
I have a billion dollar company trying to accept Bitcoin Lightning subscriptions,
but no one seems to offer it.
WTF, LOL.
This is not BS.
And if you can find me a solution, I will literally show you the CODM and business.
How is it 2026?
And this isn't an easily solved problem with lots of information on how to set it up.
Key on, what's the answer?
I don't think we have a great solution to this yet.
And it's mostly because you're asking this question
with a bunch of plebs on Stacker News.
If you're operating in a billion-dollar company,
you should DM David Marcus,
and he'll probably build you a state chain or a side chain
or whatever he needs to to make this happen.
Or you should be, I don't know,
on Noster DMing Jack Dorsey or whatever.
You know, like I don't, it's just, I don't,
there hasn't been enough demand for this feature yet
where someone is willing to spend their life developing it.
Because we have seen a lot of like half solutions to it.
And the response to it has been kind of tepid.
People didn't really seem interested.
Mutiny, when they came out with their wallet,
They had a subscription in that wallet that would, I think, pull from when you'd open it based on NWC, I think.
There are almost solutions, but nothing a billion-dollar business is going to want.
That's what these other billion-dollar businesses like Spark, I think, are aiming to do.
that's my answer.
That's a good answer. We had
Al Chaz said basically there's
no real equivalent to credit card subscriptions
because in Bitcoin money
can only be pushed by the owner
not pulled by a bank.
He also did say NWC
and then
Justin said ShockWallet with the
C-Link protocol. The business would run
a Lightning Pub node enterprise services
through ShockNet.
Then DarthCoin
said you're leaving it in a fiat world.
And you need to adapt.
Somebody mentioned BTC Pay servers or BTC Pay subscriptions.
Do you think that's a thing?
But that still requires a note of sorts, I would imagine.
I would guess it's like an email, manual, automatic recurring, a credit balance.
So you're basically buying a gift card.
Yeah.
And that's how they're doing it.
It's custodial.
I would definitely reach out to more.
I know he has subscriptions working, at least for some of the note stuff.
I don't know how he's doing it on the back end.
It's because he's running the Node software,
so he can kind of be like,
Node, pay me.
If your customer is running a wallet,
like the service you're providing them with a wallet,
it's pretty easy to solve.
But if you're Netflix
and you're not providing your customer with a wallet,
you're providing them with a service,
how do you pull a payment from their Bitcoin wallet?
probably could be a feature.
I'm probably just not looking at it the right way.
I thought it was a great post to bring up.
The next one I had was the best Claude Code demo I've ever seen.
This was at BBC.
So this guy came through on Monday for Bitcoin Builders Club
that we do here at Capital Factory.
And he was, like, blown away by what Eddie was presenting there.
And honestly, like, I think it was a great talk and everything.
I need to post up the video, but I didn't necessarily think it was, like, the best thing ever.
But I think for, like, a lot of people, kind of what we talked about earlier,
are just slowly starting to understand what's at place here, you know,
as far as, like, with what you can do and where it can go and stuff like that.
I think he was kind of really interested in the Ralph Wiggum plugin
that's kind of being talked about right now in the AI developer community.
so that was something that he kind of demoed
but I don't know, I was shocked that this
kind of got posted
on his LinkedIn and it just
everybody started talking about it, I was just like
oh wow, so anyways
thought I'd share it, what did you
think about his demo?
I thought it was good, it felt mind blowing right?
I thought he did a great job of
surveying
these
tools for a
lightly technical
audience. A lot of it I wasn't familiar with
because I'm not
doing much of this stuff yet.
So I found it
very helpful
or interesting.
Because he describes his process of discovering
these tools as he's lurking
on
a bunch of X lists
and follows a bunch
of YouTubers.
And it seems like
he's doing this too, where he's mostly just
waiting to consume a new
AI
tool. That's what I was saying earlier
like I feel like a lot of
younger generation are just like
living in YouTube and like searching
for, it's a very interesting
like for me as an older
man looking into this and like looking at it and seeing it
it's just like very interesting to see that
it's like, huh, would have never
thought but it's like that's where a lot of the
best ideas are coming from I guess, Twitter
and YouTube
fascinating stuff. Anyway, I just wanted to share that one because I thought that was
worth mentioning. And then the other one, the last one I have was
this startup graveyard that somebody vibe coded.
So this was interesting. So apparently you can go here, Keon. You can click on
and search the graveyard of startups that never took off.
They have some ones up here that you might recognize.
I saw some. I don't think this is, I bet the list itself was sort of
vibed because I saw some in here that I knew had like sort of semi-exits like one of them was
Cloudera which I had a friend working at and they went they went public then they went then they
went back private again and maybe that's considered like a failure but that friend was paid very
handsomely I think his equity was worth quite a bit of money is that failed because they didn't
they're not Coca-Cola and they're not they haven't built an empire like I don't know what how they're
defining do you know yeah i don't know okay yeah i just shared it because i thought it was fascinating
like you could literally search like whatever startup you're trying to do like so you're trying
to do like a a social thing or something and um this would help you kind of weed out when kind of
what you're building and watch i was looking at more like this would be great to like look at what
you're building do some do some like research on it see some of the stuff that they they failed to
execute on see if the let's see at the difficulty rate like see if you can like go around it or like
figure that out. I think more is just like a research
if you're building something.
That's kind of how I was looking at it.
But I didn't think about to check if it was actually true
for any of this stuff, though.
It even goes into Cause of Death,
the lawn.
I think it's all slop, though.
Yeah.
I think this is mostly schadenfreude
and having a bit of fun
kicking a dead horse.
Yeah. I thought it was cool.
No, it is.
I think it was really cool.
It is a fun project to have.
I mean, I like these repositories of things.
Yeah.
And they're just, like, isolated to a single place, siloed.
And that was all, I think that's all the stories that we have here on Stacker.news.
Oh, yeah, we have Meta.
So this one got shared.
this guy, Sopratic,
created a
Snacker News Review
2026 website.
And I don't know if you saw this, Keon.
Did you see all the work that he did?
I did see it. I haven't gone through all of it yet.
But I would like to.
I thought it was cool. He goes into
you can join. There's all these
different features.
It's cool that he just went and did this.
They do a lot. Like for free.
They do a lot of quality guides like this.
I need to go through and see if I can help and provide any feedback on that.
Also, too, maybe have this on your site, link to it or something,
so people can, because this almost feels like a, what do you call that?
An FAQ?
Yeah, yeah.
That's cool that he did that.
Yeah, he even goes here.
He goes into everything.
Yeah.
Yeah, he said the community itself matters.
You're surrounded by people generally interested in Bitcoin,
privacy technology, decentralization.
Conversations tend to be substantive.
Spam and low-effort posts don't get rewarded,
so they fade away naturally.
The platform attracts builders and thinkers
rather than casual scrollers.
What do you think about that?
I think that...
Tracks?
Yeah, that's good.
I mean, we're just, we're not very big.
Cool stuff.
I just wanted to share that.
And then the other thing I wanted to...
All right, the other one.
Oh, yeah, Meta.
The other one was the cross-posting.
So Undisciplined posted this, I think it was Sunday, I think.
Kind of got everybody talking about it.
I read a few of his points, you know,
but I'll defer to you to answer some of these questions that he had.
Oh, yeah, I had a comment here at the top where I answered.
yeah he just wants to
extend cross posting to be
allow it to be retroactive
and
then we still have this like evergreenness
problem that a lot of people
that Undisplined has been one of the biggest champions of
but quite a few people have really
wanted this solved where
they write a really great post
and they feel like it has like
a shelf life and
doesn't really resurface
as regularly maybe
as it should given its quality
and its
continued relevance.
How do you solve that problem?
SimpleStacker laid out
a great
and yet simple
way to do that.
Anyway, that's kind of what this is about
and we talk about it.
I've talked to you
about this before. I definitely think
each post is its own little piece of content
that has, I don't even think it has a shelf life
because as long as Snacker News exists,
you'll always be able to make something on it.
I think just being able to find it,
like if you're in a video store or something,
being able to search through that like you would a YouTube or something
and then bring up that piece of content that is there.
I think that's really cool, what's cool about it.
It's evergreen in that sense where it could always be found
found and earning cents.
Yeah.
The problem is kind of
finding it
and then kind of reigniting
or helping other people find it.
It's kind of what you're missing
in a movie store like that.
To me, it almost feels like it should be its own...
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
That's for you to figure out.
But I understand what he's saying,
but to me,
I think there is a way to do it,
but I don't know what that would look like.
But I think you'll figure it out.
It's mostly by the recency of zaps.
Like if I find a post from three years ago that I think is really good
and I zap the crap out of it,
it maybe should appear alongside stuff on the front page.
Yeah, but wasn't there like a random button here at some point?
There was, and that was an attempt to kind of maybe resurface stuff,
but people, it just didn't really fit.
People didn't really use it.
I think having more than three sorts is too many.
I'd actually like to have one sort,
But really, you end up at three is kind of should be enough, though.
Yeah.
So I thought that was good.
And then the other one was, let me go here.
Gosh.
I think I didn't really click it that much.
Yeah.
And then the last one we have for meta was, are you ready for SNLTs?
Boom.
This is from Agoria.
Agoria?
Gora?
Gora.
Boom.
There you go, Keon.
Get your SNLT.
Okay.
There you go.
Boom.
What do you think about that?
Front page of Bitcoin at stacker.news every week.
How mad does that make you that that's the tagline that he used?
It doesn't make me mad.
Front page of Bitcoin, baby.
Woo.
No, just kidding.
Yeah, and then Wumble said, shared this one.
is there anything else we need to cover
a swag
yeah I think we need to talk about
the ends of the show
do you like that guy in
do you like him
oh they do
there's a lot of great characters
the guy that's I think Eric
the guy with the curly hair
he's like a comedian in actual life
right
I think most of these
except for
him
The guy all the way on the right?
He's more of an improv guy, but still.
You don't consider them comedians?
I don't know.
Anyway, I listened to him on a podcast recently.
And he was describing being at a Bitcoin conference
and appearing there just for his buddy asked him to.
And then he's appearing on a panel.
He's about to say his name, and then the buddy does a prank on him.
And then he just gets up and walks off the stage.
his buddy walked off the stage?
No, he did.
Because he didn't,
in response to the prank?
Yeah, yeah,
he just didn't participate.
Oh, man.
And he was paid to be there.
But,
and then both of them,
both him and the podcast host
are like,
yeah,
Natalie Brunel is so cool.
That was another thing they did.
That's awesome.
But yeah,
get your swag.
Gotta keep the girls in bed.
Swag.
Gotta do whatever you can.
It loads.
Is it gonna load?
It's gonna load.
Swag.
Get your swag here.
Boom.
35K cents.
Dude.
Get it.
Does that include shipping?
I don't know.
I was going to order one.
What?
Cool.
It's fun.
I'm happy.
I'm happy anyone wants the zine.
And then I think that's it.
the other one I want to get into was just the YouTube comments
getting a lot of interesting people
Keon was that you that reposted that
or was that Wumble? I posted what?
so this guy said you guys lack understanding
and just talking
I was like yeah
where could the value be in this podcast
yeah it makes sense I agree
and then somebody said
somebody from the SNL account said
there is no value in this podcast
unsubscribe immediately you have been warned
was that you? that was me
it definitely wasn't me
That was me.
Oh, okay, that was you.
Okay.
Yeah.
So there you go.
Keon's responding directly into the comments.
I've done that before.
Like in some of the old, some of the graphene ones, they're like, you guys completely got
this wrong.
I'm like, I'm so sorry.
And I think I replied like five times, I'm so sorry to people in that thread.
Because they were upset.
I just don't remember ever promising anything other than entertainment, so.
I don't even promise entertainment.
I'm trying.
I know, but I'm saying that's the only thing I've actually promised the Staggers was entertainment.
Never said anything else about that.
Anything else?
Whether you get value in that entertainment, I don't know.
I'm just, you know, I promise that you might, that you're going to spend time,
if you're watching this, you are spending time watching it.
That's about as much.
And then Vake said stay in your HTLC.
Yeah.
There you go.
Good one, Vake.
Then we had a found comment from Undisciplined.
He said, try sweet potato fries in your burrito.
Do they have those in California?
I believe it, yeah.
That would be extra Californian.
You know, that actually doesn't sound too bad.
I do like a good sweet potato fry.
I love a good sweet potato fry.
They're a little more soggy, though.
Do you ever eat like a sweet potato, just like a baked sweet potato?
Do you ever do that?
Yeah.
I like a mashed sweet potato.
Yeah, what would a soggy sweet potato fry add to a burrito?
because there wouldn't be the crunch of anything.
I think it's mostly because they would add a bit of sweetness,
a bit of filler, and then also the fat that accompanies anything fried.
So Pluckers has their sweet potato fries there,
and they're pretty crunchy.
Inside a burrito?
I mean, you could put like a Pluckers sweet potato fry inside a burrito.
I'm just surprised that people like fries and burritos,
but I'd rather have a sweet potato
fryer than a fryer. I love a Frito burrito.
Ooh, from Sonic?
Wow. Probably Sonic
made it at one point, but just putting Fritos
in a burrito, I think is cool. Interesting.
Oh, that would be cool. They'd probably keep their texture a little bit better.
Yeah. It's like Frito
chili pie.
Yeah. So that's all the stuff. We're gonna
jump into the top Cowboys
baby
key on your hat.
Oh, yeah.
Top Cowboys
Giddy on up, giddy on up, giddy on up.
We got one person in hiding.
Key on number two, undiscipline number three,
blockchain bug number four gray ruby number five Wait wasn gray ruby number four Yeah I don think it works that way i think all those people have kept their hat so there no way that are we sure blockchain boo
could move all right just make sure hey i'm keeping it interesting no one can move ahead of
gray ruby i'm trying to keep it interesting for the show we look at this okay i figured by yeah
no i figured by 200 episodes by now you'd be like man we just talk about the same chart well we can't
lie about how it works to make your party.
I'm not, but I'm trying to make this
somewhat
entertaining. I think the way we make it
entertaining is we accept the boredom of it.
And we just kind of
live in it.
So Undisciplined did mention one thing. We did used to
cover the comments, the top comments of the week.
But we stopped doing that because it got
spicy. Remember that?
Yeah, that's how you describe what happened.
Just like how you describe how we went from five stories
to three. That's what DarthCoin told you
to do.
The backstory is sort of subject to revision.
You should make it up on the fly.
Yeah.
Anyways, you got optimism, scores B.
A lot of people hiding.
What's going on?
Oh, yeah.
Looks like they are hiding.
Do you see that I gave Mr. Satoshi a stacker news hat now in the default?
Where?
Image.
Like, if you look at Mr.
Oh, here.
So if we go to OT.
Is that what you did?
Yeah, the default image now has.
Wow.
Oh.
That's pretty cool.
He's kind of wearing it sideways, too.
Yeah.
Really the only way it kind of made sense.
Dude, there's a lot of people that wear Stacker News hats now around town, huh?
No.
Yeah.
I feel like I see more and more of them.
You see the people.
You're talking about Sam.
Yeah, basically.
No, there was some other person I saw the other day besides.
Who else?
I think Topher and Austin both have.
I'm trying to think.
Yeah.
Topher was the first person to buy a Stacker News hat in the world.
Topher was?
World's first.
Oh, wow.
Shout out.
Where's Jenna in here?
I don't see her on here.
I recently lost my cowboy hat so I Wow so you just not in there There Nifty She actually on there Nifty up there Yeah I guess you not on here
Oh, 77.
Good number. Great year.
Am I on here then?
Oh, there's socks.
No, I'm not on here. Wow.
It's been a busy week.
Too many meetings.
Do they give you a cowboy hat?
Do you go to meetings? I don't think so.
um key uh what are you doing this weekend uh i don't know i don't think i'm doing anything
i think i might put my drapes up which i will look forward to moss green linen moss green
linen drapes over here yes oh finally wow that should be cool that's right it should be very
nice i'm looking forward to it um so i gotta do that you're gonna need a drill or no no i don't
I need a drill.
I just need to punch a small hole in the wall to put the hollow wall anchors.
That should be fun.
What else am I doing?
I think that's it, really.
I don't have anything.
It's supposed to freeze here.
Oh, yeah, it's supposed to freeze.
Janet, what are you doing this weekend besides freezing?
Yeah, hopefully not freezing, but, yeah, that may be happening outside.
I already
I created a few displaced
Bowls and jars
Of collected water
In the event that
Can't flush my toilet
Are you going to do what are you going to do with your plants that are outside
Are you going to like take care of them
Actually no my plants outside I'm just going to let them
Fair
Really is that a thing
What's your advice for people that
Have plants outside to bring them in or don't bring them in
Well yeah you should bring them in
but I'm not bringing mine in because I know that they are not meant to
withstand the winter.
And it's like,
you want to kill them.
I'm looking forward to going and buying new plants.
I only have like two planters,
so they're going to live or die.
And that's what's going to happen.
Can I have a question?
Can I ask you a dumb question?
Sure.
All right It really stupid but I don mind because it for the show No one watching Why do people put bags on their plants whenever it freezes or rains or something Yeah so it keeps ice off of them
Oh.
And then it'll also trap in heat around them.
But can the plant breathe, though?
Yeah.
Okay.
But it doesn't choke on its own CO2?
Nah.
It produces oxygen.
It's using oxygen from the ground.
In the plant.
In the plant pot.
No, like, yeah, under the dirt.
Oh, yeah, interesting.
I always wondered that.
Yeah.
Cool.
That's okay.
And, oh, I was also going to say I'm going to go to a birthday party.
Woo-hoo, party time in Texas.
Winter birthday.
Happy birthday.
Yep.
Did you buy them a present?
No, but I dressed like him.
Can you tell?
And this is a big hint right here.
Is it Saw Hill?
Oh, wow.
Yeah, it's Saw Hill's birthday.
Oh.
Doxed.
Triple doxed.
Oh, whoopsies.
Cool stuff.
Well, happy birthday, Saw Hill, and we'll see you next time on Stacker News.
And Stacker News Live.
What are you doing this weekend?
Oh, wait.
Oh, you didn't end the show.
We were supposed to end it right there.
What am I doing this weekend?
Probably on format.
Yeah.
Probably freezing.
Yeah, probably freezing.
Okay.
And then working here.
Do you leave yourself outside when it freezes?
No, I brought that plant.
I brought Lamp in, and Jenna's going to take care of it.
So we'll see.
Hopefully Lamp can survive.
I'm going to re-bought Lamp.
I was worried about him.
Ooh.
Wow.
Yeah.
I was worried about my plant, so I brought it in.
It's a real luxury.
Me and that plant have been through a lot.
I love that plant.
Is that the one from 6th Street?
It sounded like it did occur.
No, I've had it for a really long time.
not before 6th street
did like a lady buy you that one
no
there's a whole back story to that
maybe I'll write a post about it this week
the story of a lamb
have a great weekend