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I would guess it's because they want to make the thing slimmer.
And if you create access panels and stuff, it begins adding millimeters.
Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome back to another exciting episode of Stagger News Live.
My name is Carvin BFF-Keyon.
Keyon, how was your week?
Oh, it was a great week.
There was so much that happened.
Really?
Yeah.
I mean, there's so much I probably couldn't even list at all.
I mean.
Really?
Yeah, I probably took like thousands of breaths, I would think.
Dang.
All those heartbeats that happened.
I believe the sun rose at least a couple times,
and so did the moon maybe even.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's incredible.
I mean, you don't really hear about all that all the time.
No, no.
It's a rare occurrence these days.
I don't think I saw you once this week.
I'm trying to remember when I talked to you.
I don't think I talked to you.
No, I walked by you several times probably.
Yeah, I was in it, man.
startup days coming up and that's been going and um yeah it's been a busy it's a busy time of year
it's a busy time of year yeah october man yeah people start people kind of slack off during
summer and then labor day comes right no one works during yeah they do they do a little work
yeah they start doing a little work and everybody crams it in october yep and then november everyone's
like oh i got holidays now and then they're off again it's usually what happens a few months
today's gonna be a spicy show
okay
you don't think so
um I don't know
spicy for who
for people that watch this show they're gonna be like
oh my god they're talking about stuff
I don't know look what they said they're probably used
to it did you really mean that
this is all I've been orange
pilling my brother-in-law oh really
yeah he's like
you know mid-twenties
uh I orange I programming
pilled him before he went to college, so he became a programmer.
But more recently, he's been interested in Bitcoin.
He might come to TabConf. Really? Your brother-in-law? Yeah.
Whoa, that's crazy. Is he going to hang out at the booth?
Or the table? I guess he'll hang out wherever.
He's just getting started. I'm just getting him going on Bitcoin.
The room that you were in for that episode? Weren't you in his room?
oh i was in his room yeah yeah docs yeah i don't know what i was saying about that but uh i remember
he was i was gonna i was gonna say because we were talking about what's going on in bitcoin
all the drama and he's asking me he's like okay so i'm getting i'm gonna try to get caught up i
want history i want to know these things about bitcoin and also what's going on right now and
i'm like oh i'm like what's going on right now it's like it's all like drama that is like nonsense
so there's really not a whole lot to really say about it the best thing i could say was like
one of the cool things about bitcoin is it's really hard to change so like whatever's going
on now is always at well not at the core of it it's like at the periphery of it and it's
this thing right now is just drama straight drama so that's what we'll be talking about yeah i don't
really pay attention to any of it i just focus on the founder stuff i wish i couldn't pay attention
to it but yeah it kind of demands a little bit of attention i mean i felt like in the beginning i did
like in 2020 21 even 22 but like right around 23 24 and then as time has gone on i'd feel like
you know it's more in the peripheral and then i'm just more of like a supporter
cheerleader yeah uh you know because there are people i know on both sides of that
you know and um oh i see yeah yeah i don't really you know there's no reason to pick a side well
it's not i mean obviously i care because i'm holding bitcoin but outside of that i don't i
don't know if i actually have a um dog in the fight well it's not even that i feel like i do
but i i don't i don't know if um i don't i have a take on it we'll talk about it later
but i don't think people are gonna like my take people are gonna be kind of pissed
oh no oh no yeah wow you're heated already no i'm not it's just it's just my it's just my take on it
but this is why i don't share my take especially with developers oh yeah you have you you do have
a view of developers that suggest that they might be precious and have be temperamental
I am a Tiz whisperer.
Can't handle it.
I am a Tiz whisperer.
Yeah, I guess so.
But are you a Tiz listener?
Oh, wow.
That wasn't on.
Nick has two mempools, it turns out.
He was telling us.
We need three acts.
Hey, come over here.
One of them is like rage.
Uh-oh.
We got to mute this.
He's saying some graphic things.
um save that for for a conference um anyways if you've never seen this crazy show before
uh it's called stacker news live we cover the front page of bitcoin at stacker.news every week
and uh yeah we had some really popular videos last week um feel safe in america turns out that
was a real popular one um the perplexity one was popular the kevin durant when i told you
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we're capable of being extremely boring right now because there's like uh you know we get to talk
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anyways uh yeah anyways uh we're oh yeah i forgot i mentioned we're dropping a dvd at tab conf
so we posted this i said stop subscribing i posted this earlier i was like stop subscribing
no this one here where is it at here yeah this one so we're dropping where is it at is it this one
oh no it's not this one we're dropping uh we're dropping a dvd at tapconf if you're um if you're
coming to tapconf it's not in here anyways if you're coming to tapconf definitely come grab a
dvd we're gonna have 25 copies i'm gonna drop the trailer um nick had a great idea about dropping
a trailer so i'm gonna drop the trailer um this weekend on fountain because we have that video on
fountain now so if you're a supporter on fountain you'll see that early if you're not then you have
to wait till next week for the trailer and then uh next week on friday here at club lab we're
going to be doing a uh the dvd commentary track kian did you know that we're doing a dvd commentary
track after snl next week you told me about that yeah so it might be a short time it might be a
shorter snl next week because we gotta watch uh gotta watch ourselves and then talk about it it's
kind of funny though so it's not that bad okay yeah i threw a little piece to plebfoot uh yesterday
and she was like oh she started laughing so i wish i still drank because that's the only way i'll be
able to get through that i'll probably i'll probably drink during the show it'll be good
anyways with all that being said let's start let's start the show at the number five top story this
week is did strive just deploy warren buffett's elephant gun this is from den september 22nd 18
comments 1162 sets keon what's this yeah so warren warren buffett's elephant gun is his big
reserve of cash waiting to be deployed so he kind of keeps a huge pile of billions of hundreds of
billions of dollars just waiting for the right opportunity in the market that's what he calls
is elephant gun, I guess. And Joaquin Book drew a comparison to that in the Strive and similar
story. So Strive is a Bitcoin treasury company, one of many now. I don't know, I wonder which
number they emerged at, but it was probably somewhere when about 10 of them existed, I think
I started hearing about them. And then there's another one, another Bitcoin treasury company
called Semler, Semler Scientific, I think. They have like a medical testing business. And then
they started acquiring Bitcoin and they became a Bitcoin treasury company too. I guess Strives,
um mnav their multiple of net assets uh what is it yeah the the share their share price to net
asset value was like several multiples it was like three in the eight range that's usually when
these companies start doing lots of fiat things is when that range is pretty big
and so strive did such a fiat thing and they acquired the uh the smaller bitcoin treasury
company similar with an all stock deal. So they gave them similar shareholders, got a bunch of
strive stock in exchange for similar Bitcoin holdings. In addition to similar like normal
business, which is a scientific research thing. And so they paid, they paid roughly
market value for their scientific research testing business
and then also market value roughly.
Also, maybe a little better than market value for the Bitcoin.
And so they just added, I think it was 5,000 Bitcoin
is what similar held.
So Strive added 5,000 Bitcoin to their share price
or to their Bitcoin treasury.
That's the whole thing.
This is like the first example of this.
And I guess Matt Levine, who we've talked about a few times on this podcast, who's done a lot of things, I think, for Bloomberg about this treasury stuff.
He was predicting this back in July, that we'd see treasury companies with high MNAVs snatching up treasury companies with low MNAVs.
Because they have that MNAV is like is sort of like the bullets that they have in their gun.
and they can just pick up these other treasury companies
because why not?
That's basically it, I guess.
Yeah, I got nothing.
Cool.
Next story we got, number four,
is how to contribute to Bitcoin or Bitcoin Core
other than code.
This is from Schmitty.
September 24th, Bitcoin territory.
Three comments, 628 sets.
Keon, what's going on with Bitcoin and Bitcoin Core?
yeah i guess well i guess schmitty um and which schmitty is this this is uh schmitty at brink
oh okay yeah i believe i've been seeing him post a lot more this week right
um what's going on uh well they put they post the optech um regularly and then yeah they've
been posting more about i guess just kind of cross-pollinating other stuff and other discussions
they have. So I guess Bitcoin contributions came up either in a thread or somewhere else.
And I think Schmitty gave a talk or someone else gave a talk at some point, because this is an
extract from bgctranscripts.com. But these are all the ways that you can possibly get involved in
Bitcoin. Because by all appearances, the way to get involved in Bitcoin is be annoying on Twitter
and argue with people and call them names.
Because from the outside, that's kind of all you see.
But there are actually lots of people doing lots of work
in all these areas.
And we could actually use more people doing these things
than complaining on Twitter.
And then he talks about the different ways.
Yeah, the different ways.
There's so many ways.
I'm surprised they don't do their own conference, Rink.
You know what I mean?
I'm surprised they don't have their own conference.
rink and chain code and yeah i'm surprised they don't oh well they don't want another job for
themselves and there's people doing great jobs they try to i'm just surprised that they don't
like they do a lot of all the other stuff but that's one that they don't do yeah well they i
mean i think that's why it's listed in here is they see it as part of their job to participate
in those other conferences rather than throw their own yeah i'm just surprised that they don't do one
that's all i'm saying yeah because i was looking at the list right there yeah that's like one of
the things that they don't do well they also don't do all of these things these are just things that
other people in the community they see doing yeah they're also helpful i'm just surprised
that they and each each of each of like the bitcoin non-profits they kind of have a focus
um we'll get into that in another post but they they tend to do certain kinds of work versus other
kinds of work i think in the case of brink they focus janitor work too yeah the janitor work is
is probably some of the most important actual janitor work they just it means like work that
people don't want to do it doesn't seem glamorous but it's probably like some of the most important
especially if it's not getting done um oh that's cool yeah yeah uh i didn't know they ran the uh
okay so they also do the um the um chain code thing too as well i think i think chain code is
an independent non-profit so that's not the same thing as brink no brink is like a different okay
they might i think i think they're the same i think we might lump them together because they
were like two of the only non-profits that existed in bitcoin for a long time okay yeah yeah i never
know how many of those are all the same or not but i think they are like they do help each other a lot
but i think they have different message chain code is more so like a sort of a they all work
from the same they all like have the same people work with each other right i think they do go from
they'll go from one i have seen which one does merch work for because he have his own now yeah
merch now is that local host and oh it's san fran yeah that's right palo alto i can't wait to see
march at tabco that should be good um cool cool stuff man love to see it yeah this is a great list
whenever we do top builder it's always cool to see people that are like in top builder at the
same time they're in the chain code thing and like vice versa yeah it's always cool to hear
stuff or people that graduate from top builder then go to chain code or vice versa so yeah chain
code has changed a lot since i was in it in 2020 2021 and look where you're at you're at club i was
in there with gloria actually who's now oh you were look at you she was the i think she was the
first person i met wow i met in um look at you i met in chain code dang both look look where you
guys ended up she was talking about she's talking about anchor out she's on core and you're over
here doing stacker news see that could be you classes classes for everything yeah you're with
the plebs she's with the she's with the devs she's the royalty oh wow or devs yeah i don't know what
is better uh we got it uh top comment was from um beam me up scotty or beat me up lol i don't
understand more than half of these but the least effort what i can do is run a full note and then
outside they also need to use their full note for something like privately checking all right cool
yeah I think a useful thing would be like having some links here
letting the plebs know what to do
we have that so we have a thing called pleb book
maybe Schmitty can take a look at this
go here and then we have some links here to do all the stuff
developers to follow all that stuff dev comps all that kind of stuff
so just an idea you can fork this if you want
but uh other ways you could do stuff like that yeah i yeah perhaps i mean that would be i think
a way you could help someone could help bitcoin is um continuing to build out a resource like a
i think i think yeah i think book build up plug book so that it is um yeah i'm putting right here
comprehensive book.com contribute
um but yeah next top story is number whoa number three the rage leaked luke dash jr plans hard for
it to save bitcoin in quotations this is from a non september 25th of bitcoin territory 38 comments
4 780 cents keon
why are we reporting drama this week on stacker news live i thought we
didn't report drama and we report stuff like this we report what people zap and people zap this and
you know people tend to i'm surprised to see anon in the top five this is the first time this ever
happen on the show i think we i think that might be true but i i would also definitely
okay it's definitely true i've never seen in a non-post in the top five that means that means a
very high level um what do you call them a web of trust stacker upvoted this i don't know we have a
lot of sands wasn't me i have a non-muted so it might not even be the it might not be trust so
much as some like someone zapped a lot oh let me check someone really wants to see this
details 20 zappers 20 zappers okay maybe just skated through well at some point we'll do stats
on like the average zap and stuff but anyway yeah you should you should have in there under details
it should be like web of trust or top you know what i mean it should have like the amount of
i told the ck one time it should have like the top top 10 web of trust stackers or whatever like
oh no we're never gonna uh dox people's apps no i'm just saying like it tells you like who the top
like were their web of trust stackers that also zapped this and that that take into account i mean
everyone's a web of trust stacker you know what i mean like the top tier ones um well i don't know
okay i don't know what i'm saying anyway uh the story so it's a bit to start off this is a bit of
clickbaity title because in truth this isn't actually a hard fork oh it's blocked how am i
gonna oh are you not on a vpn yeah that's why i guess i can't because i'm running the show all
right let me do the archive archive um anyway uh someone was having a conversation with luke dash
jr is it dasher or dash jr do you know how to say that anyway it was someone's having a conversation
with Luke privately, it looks like, on Signal.
And Luke was asking questions about a hypothetical design.
Well, allegedly was asking about a hypothetical design
for changing what a node runner stores.
Not actually forking away, but like you download a block
and there's a transaction that has some kind of spam in it.
and is there a way that like a sort of independent federation of people could signal to the person running the node that that is spam and they should not store it, but that it's valid.
And that's basically what Luke is proposing is like I'm running a nots node.
and rather than downloading a block that has some spam in it,
I download a block that has, you can imagine,
sort of a redacted section of it.
But in that redacted section of the block,
it's like this cryptographic thing that says that proves to me
that transaction is actually valid.
So that I know I'm actually still using Bitcoin and I trust this block,
but I don't have to myself look at or store the, um,
spam or the thing that I don't want in the block. And that's, you know,
that's what Luke is discussing with someone here, allegedly, uh, who knows,
who allegedly and someone who knows more about the zero knowledge proof stuff.
Um, but you know, this is, uh, it's kind of, yeah,
it's a private conversation and that's already kind of, you know,
sauce uh not very cool to be sharing so this is where this is for me like this this just goes back
to why i always say i'm not on signal or telegram because you know people try to people try to um
take you out of context well it's not even that this is just goes back to why i always say like
don't be on telegram or signal this is why when founders come into plub lab and they go through
like startup score they ask for my advice on this kind of stuff there's no business that can be
conducted in signal or telegram. Absolutely not. And this sort of thing happens all the time.
And this is why I'm always telling founders, if you're doing business through signal or telegram,
you probably should be doing business with those type of Bitcoiners. I'm just telling you,
and this is what I tell founders all business should be conducted through email And this is why you have some Bitcoiners I not calling them out I just telling you the truth This is how car feels That will only do business through Signal or Telegram And it very sus to me when I see that
And that's why I tell founders, if you come through PlobLab, don't do business or make
arrangements through Telegram or Signal.
Do that through email and make sure that that is where the business is done.
What is your sense of what?
Let me finish.
This is where I'm trying to, this is where I always tell founders, if you come through
make sure you're doing business stuff through email because that's something that will be more
appropriate this is like it's actual business conversation that's happening and this is where
it's like good to know what you're doing now as far as like just conversations and stuff like this
like i don't know what this is about i don't know if this is related to ocean i don't know if this
is related to his company or whatever he's doing i don't know if this is just a conversation or
whatever i didn't read through this this is like to me there's like a lot of different things going
on here there's this company that he runs with ocean there's him as a developer open source
contributor then there's him trying to put what they're saying here that he's trying to do a hard
fork there's a lot of separate pieces here and a lot of different entities that are tied to this
but yeah i i think this is if there's the stackers that are listening if there's founders that are
listening. This is why I do not get into like business conversations through signal. This is
why I tell people not to get to through, through business conversations through signal or through
telegram. It's a bad idea. Stuff like this can happen. If there's any lesson that can be learned
from this is don't do business conversations or anything like that through signal or telegram.
Go ahead, Ken. Sorry. Oh no. So I'm just wondering what makes email better. That was mostly what I
was going to ask. Cause like, if you're doing, if you're still doing it, because email is a,
is a place where you do business and you're probably not going to bring up,
Hey,
I plan to hard fork Bitcoin is all I'm saying.
And it probably will have his business underneath that says like ocean,
blah,
or whatever.
Well,
that's,
that's super sensible.
So it's like you're,
you're thinking cause it's more long emails are more long form.
You're thinking more about your answers and you're not just kind of,
you know,
like kind of distractingly sending,
shooting off messages about whatever,
whenever.
and so it keeps you disciplined to have to be using email versus one of these chat clients
i think it's actually very sensible but i wish i just that wasn't clear to me i thought
maybe you were speaking to a security thing or something else um so i think that i think that
is pretty good advice the other thing the other thing i wanted to bring up was this is all related
or somewhat related to um is or no that's coming up that's coming up next but the the other thing
that got released was the jameson lop post which is it's not a serious project by jameson lop
so this came out this week this was like in the top i guess it was the top five this week
did you read this post i did read this best so this was just like another hit piece coming from
jameson lop just tearing down luke entirely like it read like somebody who was just very vindictive
because of of luke said some bad things about uh jameson um i don't know anything i've never met
these guys i don't but to me when i read when i read through this i was just like this is disgusting
dude like why would you go out of like look the amount of research so the amount of research the
amount of time the amount of attention the amount of detail the amount of screenshots like this this
this looks like somebody spent in an inordinate amount of time really looking into the sky and
like really going deep on the sky like this is not something you just do like in a couple hours
no this is something that you spend a massive amount of time putting together and like that
takes an enormous amount of uh of like emotion and uh and trigger like that this is when i read
this i read this as somebody who is like very very very very very very very very like
um like it just reads like an emotional piece to me sure it it's it looks like on the surface like
it's it's not that but like you don't spend that inordinate amount of time putting this together
just to to shoot to shoot off from the hip and uh i i just i'm just to me it's just like uh
it's just disgusting dude it's just disgusting yeah it's a bit it's so lop does this with
literally every piece on Lopp's blog that you read has this level of detail in it. So I think
it's the, it's the way he approaches any topic. And you could say he's going after Luke because,
because of something else that happened and he does, Luke doesn't actually deserve, but,
but like Lopp puts that much effort into anything and maybe he shouldn't have put
that much effort into that post. And I'm not saying I, I love that post or anything.
um but but this this is this is just goes back to what bitcoiners do so and and you were talking
we were we were joking about it earlier right like we we get to say these things right now
because no one watches this show no one cares about the show no one cares about us we can say
whatever we want only the stackers are listening which is great i love it um but the the absolute
truth is is that in the space it's a very kind of like a game of thrones world out there right
There's like these people at the top that control the narrative that can, all these influencers, right? And they're the kind of people running the space, right? And then we have all these lowly people at the bottom. And then if you don't fall in line with them, like, guess what happens? Like, get loot, right? Like, this is kind of what's going on with him. Like, he's getting loot. Like, you're basically become this guy. And this is kind of what happens when you don't fall in line with everybody.
and yeah so like if there's anybody else that wants to step out of line guess what's going to
happen to you you're going to get looped what so one one thing i will say about that post is
while it does it does like i think take a lot of things from the context they were in and
and catalog them and kind of stack them up as like look at all of these offenses luke has done
without maybe giving a lot of time or space to positive things that Luke has done.
And so that, I think, is where maybe you could criticize the articles.
It doesn't really paint a full picture, but I don't think that was the point.
I think the point was to discourage people from running knots or paying much attention to Luke.
And whether people should or not, I'm not really the person to say.
what I do what I what I mostly got from that when I was reading it is just how how contrarian
Lucas he is like he's like a he's like a super he's his like superpower he has like a superpower
level of contrarianness he's like it's incredible how how willing he is to hold a point of view
that is different than nearly every uh large larger group um I thought that was pretty cool
So I came away with it from something positive about Luke.
I think I would have, where I didn't really like it was where it went into Luke's beliefs that don't relate to Bitcoin.
I just felt like that was crossing the line for me.
I think, you know, with regard to maybe Luke's development practices, I feel like that's fair game when trying to warn people away from implantation.
but that it was when he went into kind of Luke's religious beliefs where I
was like,
maybe this is,
maybe this is trying to hurt his character too much.
But to me,
this is just all drama though.
So,
well,
it's to me,
to me,
it's like,
to me,
when I,
when I look at all this,
to me,
it just looks,
it looks like a coordinated attack on,
on a guy.
I,
to me,
it just looks more like the Charlie Kirk thing.
To be honest,
it's like,
are you,
are you trying to stop a guy from,
saying what he wants and doing what he wants? Or are you just trying to stop him from pushing a
narrative or because you're not able to control that narrative? You know what I mean? I, me
personally, I, I have no, I don't, I don't mind the fact that he's doing whatever he wants to do,
like let the best, you know, thing win. Right. Um, but I, I don't like when somebody on the
outside from my position, from where I'm looking at is getting bullied. I don't like that. Like I,
I do not like when people are getting bullied.
Even if they're a bully?
It doesn't matter.
It's the same thing that Charlie Kirk was doing.
It's like, let the guy speak his mind.
Let the guy say what he wants.
We're not, Bitcoiners are better than this.
This is another thing that I kind of noticed
in the Bitcoin space.
We're all supposed to be unplugged from the matrix,
but a lot of us are still plugged into the matrix, bro.
It's the weirdest thing.
And you see it time and time again,
where a lot of people are very plugged into the matrix
and they're still like,
They're kind of like Cypher, where they're on the outside.
They're outside the matrix, but they're like Cypher, where they made this deal with Agent
Smith, and they're like, oh, ego is bliss.
They're eating their steak dinners, and they're working with Agent Smith, and they're still
plugged in.
They're still outside the matrix, but they're plugged into working with Agent Smith.
And there's a lot of people like that in Bitcoin, where they're outside the matrix, but they're
working with the agents to make sure that the matrix it we don't get any more people out you
know what i mean and that's kind of what i see right now happening it's like oh don't don't don't
don't don't rock the boat like we can't have any and it's just very much like that and that's that's
that's what a lot i see in bitcoin going on especially this past couple years especially
when the etf has passed a lot of people like cypher in the matrix a lot of people like that
where they're unplugged but they're still plugged in because they're working hand in hand with these
agent smiths that's an i like the metaphor i think that is pretty good where i feel like there
are a lot of people who haven't completely crossed over and ready no they've crossed
they're crossed over they just don't want to eat the the cereal that tastes like uh scrambled eggs
they're gonna eat a fake steak that that ego's bliss for or what is that not egos but ignorance
is bliss for okay let's go re-watch the first matrix it's so good number two okay uh yeah some
thoughts on bitcoin core developing funding this is from schmitty um yeah yeah yeah uh so this is
another top post from schmitty this week um i guess adam back there was some thread on xor that
were talking about developer funding and adam back had a take on it which he admitted was
you know kind of removed from actually being knowledgeable about it and so schmitty stepped
in and helped Adam back, I think, understand what's going on. But he basically pointed to
this report by 1A1Z, which lays out in great detail everything that's going on in Bitcoin
developer funding, where the money's coming from, how much is getting spent a year. We spend about,
I think in 2023, it was like $8.4 million was spent on direct Bitcoin funding.
And all the organizations involved, et cetera.
And then the way Schmitty sees it using Adam Back's points is to sort of jump off.
and so we have 30 to 40 full-time engineers
maintaining and hardening the network
for the $2.5 trillion network is what he says
and he says that as like that seems to be the right amount.
Like you probably, we have $2.5 trillion.
You probably don't want fewer than 30 to 40 people on it.
Full-time is what he says there
and then Adam Mack also said that
there's been too much funding and that's too,
it's given to people without clear direction.
And then Schmitty argues that you actually kind of,
we're still underpaying the people.
I mean,
a lot of these developers are true wizards and could get paid a lot of money
in industry.
I've seen them in industry getting paid very well.
And they usually take a huge pay cut to come and work on Bitcoin because they
view it as important for you know the the future and the the world they care about
and so they work on it um and then uh yeah i i think it it's it's generally a kind it's just
kind of bringing adam back up to date on um the state of the network uh and if anyone's curious
or the state of developer funding in Bitcoin.
And anyone's curious, I would check out that one A1Z post as well.
It has some graphs in there and some other details.
One of the things that's a little hard to look at
is that it's something like 90% of the money.
And even though we have many more developer funding nonprofits now in Bitcoin,
90% of the money comes from Jack Dorsey.
But what's nice about that is the report says
that they've talked to most of the organizations
and the organization says sometimes it's contractually such
that Jack Dorsey has no say over what they actually get to spend money on.
But that's probably the...
We have a growing diversity of people funding Bitcoin,
which is great.
It's probably what we need.
but we probably
we don't
while the organizations
are diversifying
the decision making
about where the money
is going
is nice and
nice and decentralized
it all
it's still like
originating from one
major donor
well then of course
a lot of the
a lot of the developers
given that they're
working for less money
are also
sort of
are donating their time
and then there's a lot
of people in Bitcoin
to donate their time
without getting compensation
and that's kind of
hard to factor in and that's maybe the more decentralized aspect of that but anyway that's
the post cool um it's funny because i went on the built build on bitcoin podcast this week
um is that a breeze podcast no no it's uh it's a podcast by lynn um alden no no no um
another VC but she had she'd asked me my thoughts on like all the
developer bitcoin stuff and funding and funding and all that stuff what's the one-liner oh I had
a I had a really spicy take on it and yeah you gotta tune in it's oh I knew you were gonna do
that I was trying to get it's coming out sneak it out it's coming out on Monday but um she was
she was kind of shocked by my answer she was like really is that your I was like yeah that's my take
on it uh-oh so you have to check it out it's coming out monday um build on bitcoin
i was just being honest i'm always honest about this stuff and people don't want to hear honesty
these days so that's why they don't ask me if you did then you would want to hear well they don't
hear things they disagree with yeah that's probably more what it is and i don't think they
mind honesty as long as that's what they agree with and i just shoot straight from the hip honestly
anyways let's go to number one
the number one top story of the week is I read
Luke Dash Jr.'s hit piece
this is from Udi
kept for 17 comments 3,362
stats Keon what's this
yeah Udi's doing good
things in Bitcoin temporarily
and
helps clear up
or like adds
context I think important very important
context to the rage
article
and lays out why it's not actually a hard fork.
In one sense, you could consider it a hard fork,
but in the sense that matters, it's actually not a hard fork.
And so that's maybe what's important, is it's not actually a hard fork.
Luke was just, because he was talking to someone he thought he could trust in chat,
he mentioned hard fork, because in some sense you could consider it that way.
uh and then Udi also you know I think is critical of the like the journalism here where it's it's
kind of unfair to maybe it seemed it seemed like it was written maybe with a little bit of a from
a from a biased perspective was not attempting to maintain the level of impartiality you would hope
to see um and that's that's his uh one but and then he also kind of does a point by point I guess
at one point there's uh there's a i think he says there's a misinterpretation of one of the
conversation or one point in the conversation where luke says that there are people who are
writing letters advocating for illegal content um like and trying to get trying to get people to
buy into illegal content i think there was a misinterpretation of luke saying that they are
talking to they have their lawyers talking to other miners because because uh ocean has this
mining pool and they're they're trying to figure out how those guys are thinking about
uh spam and stuff this is where like jimmy was so right so we had jimmy on for bitcoin builders
club um earlier this month uh at capital factory and we went through all this and he basically
i don't know if you remember remember jimmy was releasing takes right before the happening
and he talked about this hard fork that was coming.
He literally mentioned, if you go back and look through his Twitter,
he literally had, because the whole ordinal blow up was happening around that time,
right before the happening with the mempool.
And I remember his take about the hard fork that he predicted that was coming.
And we, me and you, because I've been doing the DVD,
um we talked about a civil war that was happening that was going to happen with all this we predicted
this too we predicted a civil war in bitcoin uh in 22 which is crazy um there's always a little
war on bitcoin anyways but anyway but but jimmy actually predicted this hard fork
and uh and right before the happening and uh it's just crazy that a lot of the stuff like
When you really start looking at it, there's a lot of OGs,
but there's OGs that actually know what's really going on.
And once you start, you've been a big one for a long time,
you realize which are the ones you actually should be listening to.
And at least for me, like people like Udi and these other guys,
I don't even listen to them anymore.
They're just smoke.
Well, you have to apply it.
Just smoke you shouldn't listen to.
Like Jimmy is somebody that I really pay attention to.
And so when he was talking about that hard fork at the time,
I really was just like kind of confused. I was like, why is that?
And the more and more I pay attention to what Jimmy's saying,
I realized that like he's actually been more right than wrong about this stuff.
And he kind of called a lot of this hard fork stuff. And yeah,
at least for me, that's somebody I can look to at least for like,
what's the actual temperature in the room and where is it kind of heading and
all that kind of stuff. So I don't know, at least that's how I feel about this.
I don't know what's going on.
I'm not technical enough to understand what's going on.
So I'm going to wait and see.
Yeah.
Anyway, I think this is a good take from Udi.
And I think it does help put things in perspective.
I think this is a sign that the people who are trying,
I think probably think of it as themselves defending themselves against Luke,
who's calling everyone a liar and a child pornographer on X.
that maybe that I think this is a sign that they are martyring Luke.
And this is probably going to backfire if you have Udi now,
who is maybe the most on the other side of this debate as Luke is.
Udi defending Luke now.
Firstly, Cyrus, you shouldn't listen to anything Udi says.
That's just Kar telling you from experience.
um yeah who do you like to insert himself dude it's just this is a good take i'm surprised it
even made number one it's just the dumbest thing ever it's like who's voting for this you have to
be capable you have to have the patience to like no you don't just don't listen to anything this
guy says he's like beetlejuice it's just like you say his name three times and he shows up like it
it's the stupidest thing like it's like it's the dumbest thing i'm just telling you from experience
snackers like this is the guy you should not be listening to there's a couple people in bitcoin
that you should be listening to, he's not one of them.
I'm just telling you from experience.
Go ahead, get burned.
I'm just telling you.
I think that's great general advice.
No, it's advice to follow.
I'm telling you from experience.
Do other people get advice?
Go ahead, go ahead.
I was just saying that I think that's great general advice
if you don't have the patience and time.
But there's a certain kind of person who I think benefits from,
or who has the time and attention to screen
what is a high-quality piece of signal
and what is not and that doesn't necessarily depend on it being it doesn't matter what the
origin is it only matters on like the quality of the content i mean if you're into shit coins and
stuff then take his advice but if you're not that's really not a fair interpretation what i said but
anyways that's all the top five stories we did it he only did it oh we got through it you got through
it yeah we only hate each other now i love you um we're gonna jump into ai bitcoin stuff this is uh
this week in ai uh from optimism so he was talking about artificial generic super larps do you know
what a super larp is keon i would guess it's like a larp but super what that's not true um no it's
not that it's uh open ai ramps up robotics work and race toward agi i don't know if you saw this
but um yeah you did see it yeah i have a friend well i saw i saw the title i do not i that my
this is the closest I get to covering a stuff but a friend of mine who's very into AI stuff was
telling me he thinks that AGI will really only happen when robots are given bodies so that they
can basically uh gather gather data kind of like humans do and that oh like from different sensory inputs and you basically have a constant stream of data rather than having data rather than having it feed it fed in I actually think we like less than 18 months from that outside our door
Really?
No, I really think so.
You think we're going to AGI in 18 months?
No, I think we're going to get like robotics with different sensory inputs like by South By next year.
Like we'll see like a robot walking down with the next big startup.
Will you get one?
No, hell no.
i know it's like kind of like the series it's like kind of like alexa but like worse they could
like kill you no it'll start off with like a cute little robot that like a you know bb-8 or
something like a r2d2 that would just be dumb um that's how i want my robots just like stupid and
like trash cans you know okay you want like a smart trash can yeah like basically a smart trash
can that's the come that's kind of that's kind of robots we want to build in plub lab just dumb
trash cans that sounds about right that just go beep boop boop boop i don't know it'd be pretty
cool to get to have a robot so long he's just like a dumb trash can that just sends lightning
transactions you know that'd be cool yeah maybe oh yeah you get like charged so do you put too
much trash that's probably the that's probably the robots will build out of here the ones that
are just like just dumb robots um the other one i wanted to bring up was uh this or hang on let
Let me go back.
Was this one.
Eleven Labs has launched Studio 3.0, a video clip audio editor.
So, dude, remember I was telling you how this is just getting more advanced?
So, they released this really cool.
Eleven Labs proudly introduces Studio 3.0.
This thing here.
It's called.
You can now harness.
You can now start really video editing inside the browser.
Now with full video.
It's really, really cool.
Do they make a video?
Sure.
But you can already do this in Riverside.
but this goes to another extreme.
So this is where I was telling you
I was like I'm really bullish on this kind of stuff.
It sounds really great.
Yeah.
This is really cool.
I saw.
Anyway.
But you can check out the demo.
I want to play with this this weekend at some point.
I'm always into this kind of stuff
because it's really cool.
But they even have an API too.
So if anybody's building some cool tools
you can even import it to uh to use it which is really cool i thought that'd be really interesting
yeah they're kind of leading the way with audio right is that the same company the one that we
keep talking about the the other one there's there's several of them now it's hard to keep
track of them there's so much going on but i know 11 labs was big they were like one of the
i would see them referenced a lot in audio things i think a lot of people were
like make they were writing books writing books in chat gbt i don't mean the scare quotes are maybe
wrong uh they were writing books and then they were in any way that they would write them and
then they would have them um like read by 11 labs is my understanding yeah i was thinking about
cascader with it when i saw this i was like damn this would be cool to see in cascader anyways um
The other one was, I want to bring up was this one.
Google's top AI scientist's most needed skill will be learning how to learn.
I feel like you've said this multiple times whenever we talk about AI.
I was like, these Gen Zers are probably not going to be able to know how to learn.
And the guy said the exact same thing.
I'm going to watch this.
Where is it at?
I had a video earlier, I thought.
There's a video here somewhere.
hmm anyway um a leading google scientist and recent nobel laureate has highlighted learning
how to learn is a paramount skill for future generations um just given how artificial
intelligence has already impacted um he said it's very hard to predict the future like 10 years from
now in a normal cases it's even harder today given how fast ai is changing even week by week
the only thing you can say for certain is that huge change is coming
because one thing we'll know for sure is you're going to have to continuously learn throughout
your career yeah what do you think about that Q oh that's definitely fair yeah I think you know
the other side of this is I know there are some people who's I think I think some people's capacity
to change a lot is lower than other people's and I think this technology will not serve them very
like the rapid change that they're describing will be harder for them to deal with and I
And that's some of the like some of the AR, AI doomers that I know.
That's one thing they talk about a lot.
It's like, OK, yeah, you're saying that when all these AIs come, we'll just like retrain everyone to do something else.
And they're like, there are some people who won't be able to do that.
And I think that's fair.
It's probably like 50 percent of people are too like kind of conservative in self where they have trouble changing.
I think that is pretty, pretty sketch.
And I do think it's very possible that one take to have on AI is like, this is like every other technology and it's going to do the exact same thing where it just makes things better and we all panic about it before.
But there will be a black swan type of technology that really does change everything and really does make everything work.
There is a potential for that in the possibility space.
And AI seems like a good candidate for being that.
It does suggest there is going to be more change than most other technologies should it improve at the rate people expect it to improve.
Yeah, I agree.
I think we've had our big kind of like internet moment for AI.
We haven't had the like iPhone moment yet.
but maybe with all the um you know well maybe the robots or maybe the wearable stuff and the
you know all the spatial stuff will kind of maybe that'll be the when the iphone moment comes
and then that'll what you're talking about is when everything will change but we'll see
um interesting stuff though yeah i love hearing about and talking about all this stuff it's just
fascinating the peanut gallery says that we are going to become electricians
there's no peanut gallery employee i don't even know is peanut gallery a bad word yeah
that's a bad thing oh it's a bad thing i didn't know okay the state gallery says
says that everyone's going to be an electrician fixing data centers because like that's going to
to be the only thing that's left is we're going to that makes sense okay whoa uh we're gonna jump
into wumble's picks send your kids to college we're gonna jump into wumble's picks so wumble's
picks is uh sats on lightning during a soft hard fork man he just really going for it yeah uh what
is this about it's picking well uh so you let's say you and i established a lightning channel
and then there's a hard fork on bitcoin oh good one wumble's pick yeah well what happens because
lightning operates under the assumption that we are basically looking at the same blockchain
well that's all off or we're just a multi-sig though it's a multi-sig so right yeah it's a
multi-sig on but then there's a hard fork and that doesn't affect it well what happens on let's say
you start running the hard fork and i don't well what happens now well who created the
well it's it's about who who opened the channel to the other person right that's how that works
no well the hard fork uh will carry the history so the hard fork will still have the history
where so the stake the stake gallery says that you have two lightning channels now one on one
on the bad network or one on the yeah the network that one person wants in the network the other one
doesn't want and that is kind of what you end up having but i think in practice it's more
complicated there's a great uh this was asked a few years ago on the bitcoin stack exchange
yeah and we get a couple of answers where people uh describe what we're likely to kind of see in
practice but um in short it you know like in anticipation of the hard fork most people would
probably if they're if they're afraid of something bad happening they would probably close their
channels. And then even the case where one person is running one hard fork and the other one is
running maybe the original Bitcoin classic, let's say.
Gross. I just almost threw up in my mouth. Gosh, I haven't heard that in a long time.
And then they're running that one. What happens during hard forks usually is they share mempools
And they end up kind of, at least for transactions that are replayable on each other's networks, meaning they are compatible, they are consensus compatible on each other's networks.
They end up kind of sharing those transactions because they kind of bleed over on the peer-to-peer network.
And I think you also have people who assume the role of sort of relaying these kind of cross-compatible transactions.
transaction so that's what we've seen in the past when people didn't kind of expect it is a lot of
bleed into each other's memples and hard forks so that's one thing they kind of list and so you would
likely see if someone tried to someone's running the other fork and they try to force close you on
that fork you would likely see that happen and be able to respond to it at least on the chain
you know at least uh such that on the chain that you care about you were able to um step in and um
you know,
cheat,
basically,
what do they call it?
It's not revocating.
It's what?
Justice.
There you go.
The justice transaction.
You would be able to submit the justice transaction and do justice.
And then,
yeah.
So it's actually not,
it's not as bad as you'd think.
It's maybe messy.
I think there are situations,
depending on what takes place in the fork,
it might be,
it might be quite bad.
But it's not as bad as I thought
going in and looking at this deeper.
It's actually...
Yeah, well, that's kind of my point.
That would end up in a mempool,
and those mempools bleed into each other
during a hard fork.
Because it's compatible.
it's likely replayable on either chain. So it's actually a consensus valid.
Yeah. I think there might be a scenario where someone on that shitcoin network submits directly
to a miner and it gets mined and you never see it because it never enters a mempool.
or yeah for whatever reason
this is a hypothetical
for it to just
so what do you do
does everybody close their lightning channels before a hard fork
is what you're saying
that's one way that you can
if you want to avoid any trickiness
during a hard fork that could possibly arise
in a lightning channel
look at the problems we already have
so
So State Gallery, are we closing our lighting channels before Hard Fork?
Is that what we're doing?
No.
No, but I'm saying would the plebs close their Hard Fork?
Okay, there you go.
I opened more and I arbitrage.
Okay.
The State Gallery, how they came to earn the term State Gallery is what happens
during one of these scenarios is they open other channels
and then they do force closures and cash out the coins
is what they say on the other chain.
Oh, interesting.
But I mean, if you really were paranoid about this kind of thing,
you could run the fork and monitor the fork for any weirdness.
This could be really interesting.
Yeah, but you likely don't care about the coins on the fork anyway.
Or their dividends, Keon.
You didn't get a piece of the Bcash hard fork?
when that happened?
Yeah, you want a little dividend.
That's a nice dividend.
Yeah.
That got turned into Bitcoin, baby.
Anyways.
Yeah, so it's kind of complicated.
I think there are a variety of ways that it can go,
but in general, it's not as bad as I thought it was.
Yeah, I don't know.
We'll see.
There's a great post on Stack Exchange.
Merch answers.
Wumble's picks.
I would check that out.
I would just say,
Snackers,
we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
Wait,
see.
But Keon,
what do you say?
Get prepared?
I would say it's,
it's worth thinking about things,
even if there's no action to take.
There you go.
Yeah.
That's Keon's advice.
Oh,
what'd you say?
Oh,
there you go.
State Gallery says it's propaganda from DeepCore.
We have the DeepState.
We also have DeepCore.
is that a thing now uh is that i just made that up i was oh wow on the spot look at you
yeah shooting from the hip now uh no i have i rubbed off on you too much you're shooting from
the hip oh you're gonna take credit for deep core i know i'm just saying you never shoot from the hip
are you on a vpn if you're not on a vpn uh yeah gotta get off this anyways um
so let's go the
that was Wumble's picks we're going to go
into
you're shaking the table
we're going to jump
into my picks
I wanted to share this one this is a
Nirvana
video hopefully we don't get pulled
but this is a Nirvana video
that Nakamoto Adventures
which originally
not Tamales
0x Midcorner shared
did you know they played in
Austin? Yeah, they played in Austin down the street
here. Yeah, I didn't know that. I didn't know that either.
They played at the Paramount.
But they...
Yeah, well, I didn't know they played
there.
I watched this earlier
this week. It was like three days ago or four days ago.
And they played there.
I've never been in it,
actually. I've only been in it one time.
Looks like a great theater.
But yeah,
when he shared that, I was like, that's funny
because I literally watched it.
it was a good concert
I just wanted to share it too because I thought it was
really cool
we don't talk about music too much on the show
but that
YouTube channel Art Concert I think it's
called they have a lot of really cool
they do a good job
they do a really good job curating
songs
did they remaster it
I don't know why
this didn't get released as a DVD
or something
I didn't know why this didn't get released
like through nirvana itself like this should have been like a because it's like an hour than the
hole in his head obstructing i know come on too soon no it's just like not too too far poor taste
um so anyway it was really good uh they have some really cool scenes yeah there's this part where i
think he talks about at the end where he just like destroys yeah he destroys his guitar i want to play
guitar just like smash dude that's the best part look look look look curts just like it's like
doing it dude i wonder if guitar makers are like offended maybe because they probably get richer but
no because you would get those for free you know a lot of that stuff is just for free and i'd be
offended yeah and then sometimes sometimes it's just like like when i used to play music like my
my guitarist knew he was going to get a new guitar so he was just like hey i'm going to break it this
one you know same thing with the drummer he's like yeah I'm gonna get my drum yeah I'm gonna
do it yeah you see that when you don't know if that belongs to the venue itself because sometimes
the venues were are gonna charge you for breaking their thing what a great time if they probably
never got invited again though do a bunch of heroin and then like destroy stuff well according
to Dave Grohl there was like the people that did drugs in that group and then there were people that
did it so you don't know yeah i imagine most of them anyways it's probably good diverse
oh man that's probably worth a lot of money anyways thought that was cool look at you
worth more now oh man he hit himself anyway i started to share that uh the other one was i
want to share our startup day you could tell this got shared by my favorite bitcoin news outlet
bitcoin news the only place to get high signal uh in bitcoin this is the real front page of
that car it's gonna start i know i'm just saying like bitcoin news like they don't pick size they're
not sharing slander things they're just reporting news like what they're supposed to be doing
like turns out that's actually a net benefit it's weird turns out when you're just professional
um it's actually good for business anyways so they uh they shared our our pr for um
for the yucatan so that's coming up in 12 days we have a lot of really cool stuff happening
a lot of speakers and uh yeah i just want to share with the stackers we're really proud
of what we've been able to do sounds fun yeah it's gonna be really a lot of fun um i was talking
to francisco about it today and uh yeah we're excited dude it's gonna be a blast if there's
anybody in anybody in the area they should definitely um head over a lot of us from
plavlob are heading over there and then um it's gonna be a blast i'm excited just wanted to share
that and then the other one i wanted to share was uh the early days episode we dropped this on the
builder territory like uh two days before i think or maybe the night before so this is a ted so ted
actually came into club lab like a year and a half ago didn't know how to code didn't know how to do
anything he was just really good at um what would you say his skill sets were um i would say he's
good at like i think he's a pretty good like a pretty good systems thinker i would say he was
doing this founder he was doing sales yeah he'd come from uh like an aeronautical background um
this is i think what he studied and so deep thinker yeah i think like very very big corner
yeah i think you know very multifaceted way more based now quite based he's also gone from like
kind of nerdy ted to like sexy ted super bearded now yeah he's got a beard he's got he's got a
bachelor pad now definitely bachelor pad and a high rise he's ready single ladies if you're
out there oh yeah he's got he's timed he had probably as a spreadsheet for when he was planning
and it's like coming out as a bachelor anyways uh overall we're all hyping up to anyway so he's uh
he's doing feed filter ai which is this really cool ai company and he has a really cool plan and
wanted to share this uh pod that we recorded with him but uh this is here where he talks about it
and we just go through it or was that though we recorded this like two months ago but i wanted a
time they're released because he's also going to be almost like pre-sexy tech yeah he's also going
to be um doing an announcement at startup day in the yukata so should be good if you're if you're
interested check it out really cool stuff on ai um yeah and then uh i think that's all for me you
didn't have any posts because why again oh because uh i do one boss picks and one boss picks i need
to like readjust my time to pick out the best things i mean there are things that i was were
drawn to this week but yeah i did not i did not select them for the pod i wanted to share
ek's post because i thought this was in the top five turns out it wasn't but ek is gonna be
speaking at bitcoin plus plus woo doggy ek you made it um did you know this kia uh i did know
though ck has been telling me about it for a while and he's super excited to give him some inside
baseball for stuff he wasn't telling him what is he going to be speaking about do you know he's
going to be talking about the difficulties of making a non-custodial lightning app oh i thought
he was just gonna be talking about germany and about all the cool stuff that's what would he
yeah what like schnetzl no i'm kidding uh so everybody was trying to get him to wear your
cowboy hat but uh he's probably too shy to do that oh he would probably wear it oh he would
How am I going to get it to him, though?
Is he going to wear his mask?
I am not interested.
You could fold that in an envelope.
You could probably find it.
I don't think it's that.
When they sent it to me, it was not folded too much.
Yeah, maybe Playboy can send it to him.
I don't know.
Anyway, so he's working on his presentation.
And yeah, there you go.
That's his mask he's going to be wearing.
So if you see him in that mask.
Yeah, it's a costume conference.
And he's going dressed as Luke Jasher.
Yeah.
Yeah, so it's a Bitcoin Plus Plus Stacker News edition, right?
Nope.
It's a Lightning edition.
Lightning edition.
EK edition.
Back to Lightning stuff.
But yeah, check out EK.
He's going to be at Bitcoin Plus Plus this year.
And then the other one I want to share was this one.
EK is flying.
What?
Did you know this?
I did know that.
So the whole time I've been hanging out with EK,
we hung out so many times.
He never once said he wanted to fly.
Never once told me.
He never brought it up.
Not once.
Oh.
Yeah, I was shocked.
But he talked about he signed up for flight school.
Yep.
Turns out he wants to fly a plane.
What do you think about this?
I think that's pretty awesome.
Yeah.
He was telling me about it.
I think, you know, it's not.
This could be good for us.
Oh, it's true.
We could have a little private, like, jet situation.
I mean, Sackerdews could be a flight school at some point.
Or it could have its own flight company.
yeah what do you call it like airline stacker news airlines it's like in high school when your
friend gets a car and like you don't have a car yet and you're just you bum rise we're gonna be
like that with ek i mean ek could technically like if shit hits the fan we could all just go to ek's
house and he could say ek we need to load up the plane let's go yeah let's go ek like ek up i'm
moving out of my apartment yeah but he got all his gear look at him he got all his gear and uh
yeah super bullish i i was shocked that he wanted to fly he never we never talked about flying at
all i was shocked did he ever talk about flying with you yep oh he did interesting yeah maybe i
just talked too much and i never let him talk he mentioned it i think a few years ago to me and
then uh i didn really take it super seriously i thought he was just like vaguely interested and then when he was here actually in Austin he was telling me about him wanting to do that as like a hobby type of thing
And I was like, oh, really?
Do you think it's hard flying a plane?
I would guess it's probably more complicated
than driving a car.
Do you think it's harder than some of these,
like a tractor?
Harder than a tractor for sure.
I think it's more dangerous, you know?
You think so?
Yeah, because like you aren't on the ground.
What if you're throwing a parachute and always jump out?
You're like fighting your natural state when you're in a plane.
You think it's harder than a ship?
Yeah, I would say it's harder than a ship.
I've been on a lot of ships.
What about space travel?
You think it's harder than space travel?
I would say no.
I would say space travel.
It depends on what you mean by hard, but yeah.
The more inhospitable the environment, the more dangerous it is.
So space travel is harder?
It's like scuba.
Oh, it's harder than diving in the ocean?
I would say those are probably comparable.
oh submarine-ish stuff and then yeah if you're like really under the water that's a good point
sketch really high in the air sketch you know you kind of just want if you want to be safe you want
to be on the ground for the most part i don't know if i would get in a plane with ek unless it was
like end of the world type of scenario oh why i don't know would you get in what if ted was a
flu i don't think if anybody i knew that was it's just about but you know there's like you've been
on planes like commercial planes if i knew those guys those guys yeah i would probably terrible
that's crazy right oh man it's so funny um but anyways i thought that was i thought that was
cool i'm so happy for him uh the uh the other one was uh you guys had a sn release c-link wallet
But yeah, what's going on here?
This is a shock nets, like alternative to NW.
Shock, shock, shock, shock net.
Yeah.
He also has a announcement at startup day, by the way.
Oh, yeah.
I didn't know shock.
I was going on.
Yeah.
Let's go, baby.
Habla espanol.
He does.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Getting all the real ones there.
So what are you?
What's here?
Yeah.
So this is like, you can kind of think of ceiling
is like an alternative to nwc it uses it uses no stir still is my understanding but it does not it
is i think a a better you a better ux than i think nwc has like kind of this crazy wild string with a
bunch of characters and uh ceiling has i would say you know it's kind of like a no stir profile link
like when you like you're a node id or something like that is is what it is um i think there's a
number of other uh features he's added and you know places where he's he thought nwc had deficiencies
and improved upon them um yeah and we ek that's cool managed to add that to our list of growing
wallets and that's that's awesome basically the little release we had yeah we're uh our guy was
working with him on some of the pleb tv stuff we still need to finish a lot of that stuff but
But yeah, it's from what Darren was telling me,
it's really easy working with Justin and his team,
implementing things.
So super bullish on him and what he's got building over there.
He's one of those guys, believe it or not,
he says a lot of spicy things,
but when it comes down to actually building and working with him and stuff,
like on the business side of things, super easy to work with,
super easy to build a relationship with as far as like on the business stuff this is where i think
i think a lot of people don't recognize this stuff they take a lot of i would just say from
my own experience like they take a lot of stuff like um the heart like the hardcore bitcoiners
the one that are like a little bit more spicier and then like actually tell the truth they may be
that way like um you know in public but when it comes to actually working with them on the business
side of things those are the teddy bears yeah they're teddy bears and those are the people
that actually you do want to work with.
And then the ones who are like out there
saying salacious things,
and those end up turning out to be like the,
at least from my experience.
But anyway, Justin's always a pleasure to work with.
Really cool stuff.
And then we got the Stacker News zine.
What's this?
Yeah, so this is another week of the zine.
This is like an ancient relic.
Oh, yeah.
keys uh apparently plug poet made a stacker news stamp she has like a stamp making kit and she made
a stacker news stamp by hand carved it out wow it out yeah that's it is that with linoleum
linoleum yeah how did she make the stamp oh i think it's just like a rubber like carvable rubber
she has like a rubber carving kit and she can make it oh cool yeah so that's what she did and
uh that's issue 300 i think we probably send that one to blockchain boo give them that keep your
Drama on X.
That's awesome.
SNIRL1
at Tab Comp 7.
Let's have it go.
Your mother was a hamster and your father
smelt of...
Is that a quote or something?
I'd be surprised
if my mother was a hamster, to be honest.
Really cool stuff.
To be super clear.
Cool.
Yeah.
She said next week, no zine.
Yep. We're going to have another
missing floor and the zine building okay cool yep um and then i think that's all we got
um where else we got here yeah i think that's it
we go into let's go to the top cowboys baby this has been a quick show
key on you ready for the top cowboys we didn't have a guest today yeah top cowboys look at that
same put on your hat so oh right thank you for reminding me what's going on here the most popular
segment deserves the most popular hat that's right i forget i forget sometimes to show my flair
uh the number one numero uno ombre is siggy 47 you think siggy ever is gonna get dethroned
it's possible
is it just his full time job at this point to be on Stacker News
no I mean it doesn't require
a full time job to keep it
what do you think his daily habits are
with Stacker News
I would say probably comes and checks it
in the morning
then he watches Breed Love with his wife
yeah or his wife watches Breed Love alone
then he watches
then he's like back on Stacker News
never let your wife watch Breed Love
the state gallery says
Don't let your white watch Breedlove.
You ever watched Robert Breedlove, Keon?
Alone?
Closed?
Closed or not unclosed.
Whoa.
The State Gallery has outed me.
Then we got Coop, number two.
Undisputed, number three.
Blockchain Book, number four.
Okay, Ruby, Coins Reporter.
Public Enemy, number seven.
stacker high number eight i think everything's the same i think optimism went up one maybe
could have but who would he have been found i don't know i think scores we went up i think
everybody went up one i really needed we need somebody to keep track of this stuff oh we need
to do it algorithmically it should be easy not easy we can't it'll be something we could do
that poet went up 23 h and gmd at 22 dying aardvark is climbing yeah i think everybody
went up one or something.
Okay.
Who else we got?
South Korea Lightning.
Nunya.
Nunya's climbing.
Kepford.
ShockNet got 37.
Who else we got?
We got the...
Oh, JB55's back.
Plunda.
Oscar's back.
Peter Todd.
Usual spot.
Knitter.
Knitter has an account.
When that happened?
uh i think that's the bot that's the knitter bot oh okay someone must have zapped it i think
i think it has a bug in it ted thizzy look at that we got ted thizzy he's the one that did the boost
on his on his post this week i got him back to stacker news with his um i told him i was going
to drop it on second news early so again maybe that's the other the third dimension we have
tiz riz and thiz but what is this this is when you have tiz and riz maybe
now that has to be an independent thing i don't know yeah let's come up with that
because this is pretty good it's a good combo you got cascader 89 i think i still have that
bot blocked i think which bot the cascader bot is that the one that's like the chat bot yeah
oh i think i still have that one blocked i'd have to check were people using it against you
No, it's just annoying
Just annoying bot
You can go to your mutes now, we can look at them
Nah, I don't want to
I always got you
I mean, we could if you want to
We got Socks, Socks, what's Socks coming out with next?
Oh, Socks is
You mean for work?
Yeah
He's working on editor stuff
He's doing a great job
I'm really excited
You got EK doing a conference
You got Socks dropping off
some more stuff.
They're just rocking and rolling at this point.
What do you even do at this point?
I mean, I wear this hat.
Now you're just a podcast influencer?
I do this podcast.
One most fix is a lot of work.
Man.
I know.
Jeez, look at you.
Dude, it's not easy.
I'm just kidding.
You're doing the migration or something?
Yeah, it is bonkers.
In the butt.
Yeah.
That was funny.
Okay, that's cool.
That's all the top cowboys.
Let's jump into...
Where am I at?
I lost my...
I lost it.
Ooh.
All right.
Let's go down here.
We got...
We got Fallon Boost this week from Blockchain Boot.
And then we got PS.
Yes, he's back.
Dude, he wasn't watching us for a while, right?
Yeah, I wonder how he's back.
I wonder how we got back on the radar.
Probably because we did the 6102 Bitcoin last week.
Oh.
They got all back.
They got the hardcore Maximus listening to us again.
Okay.
We've always been hardcore.
Nothing's changed.
It's just that, you know, I think we cover AI too much.
But, I mean, it's because we're from Austin.
I mean, there's a big AI boom happening here.
AI is like the other big thing that's kind of going on in the world.
Whether you think it's good or bad, it is like.
I actually find it fascinating.
It's in our backyard.
It's like we kind of have to cover it.
There's two places where AI is happening.
I don't know.
You tell me, Keon.
And it's like San Francisco and Austin and like, where else is it happening?
I mean, it's happening all over the world, but there's like,
as far as like founders and like the boom of it.
The boom.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Do you know any big AI companies that are here?
Dude, they're all at Capital Factory.
Okay.
There's just a ton of startups.
Yeah.
Startups that are just builder.
I would guess.
Yeah.
There'd be.
It's the same thing that we saw in 21 with the Web3 stuff.
It was just like everywhere.
yeah they do same thing they do pick up they do get a lot of founders who are into like
the latest thing and this would be the latest thing and much healthier maybe it's uh yeah it's
way healthier i can't wait till the robotic stuff takes off interested in seeing trash cans that move
the smart trash cans uh anyways great to have ps back um and then we got um
vague with a comment he said stay safe oh that's nice yeah you stay in your lane you stay safe
i think that's good that's pretty much it keon what are you doing um what are you doing this
weekend uh i'm probably doing nothing surprising um i will be likely just continuing the work that
i'm doing and nothing special nothing special really that's what i i might do yoga because i
missed some days this week so i kind of feel like i need it it's kind of weird because what you do
you go to yoga you do yoga and then you start feeling a lot better you start feeling more at
peace and stuff and then um just like better in general and then but then you get used to it and
it becomes kind of boring to be in that state of mind and you kind of and then so you stop but then
you start to feel like do a lot of there are a lot of farts in yoga like i feel like there's a lot
of people doing farts in there there was a there was a guy in one of my classes who like left in
the middle i went to the bathroom so that does happen right like you're just behind a dude and
he's just farting the whole time there are like stretches you can do it's not just a yoga thing
but even outside of yoga you can the stretches you can do to help your bowels kind of kind of
no but do people just fart the whole time is that why they blast the music so loud
no i don't think they do fart i've i've never actually heard someone fart in a yoga class
I always wondered that. I've never done yoga before.
I always wondered if that's what goes on.
I think people are pretty polite.
People don't fart in yoga.
As I said, I haven't encountered it yet.
Today, the instructor
is both pregnant and
there was someone who was
in the class.
There was a student in the class who also
was pregnant. I thought that was pregnant.
No farts.
There's no farting in it.
Even when they have one person
inside of them,
as a person they are not delivering no i always thought that was the thing that's why i was just
like always you thought people went to yoga and it's just a fart no i said it was just like a
fart fest you know because like those those stretches dude you know um you know i don't
know but maybe people use russian before maybe that's why there's no farts i don't really you're
kind of it's very it's like do you fart in the middle of a run sometimes yeah like it's pretty
you're pretty like pretty intent on your body because maybe it's just mexicans because i eat
a lot of beans and rice and stuff oh that's probably it yeah mexican yogurt is probably
super oh it's probably super farty right i like what it's just like bean burrito farts you know
what are you doing this weekend let's move on this is the worst segment on the cab uh probably
uh i gotta do some stacker these live dvd stuff i gotta see if these uh these dvds will burn
do we know what the cover looks like yeah oh yeah so uh pleb poet took some pictures and stuff
okay so i basically finished the dvd it's complete like i watched it all the way through
it's so good like it's like it's one of those things where it's like when you make it
kind of reminds me of a different way of making um it's different than making an album
because i've made music before it's different than that it's different than making like a
like a like a mixtape no but i'm saying it's different than it kind of yeah you know it kind
of reminds me of like do you ever make like a an iMovie thing for your for your family
what family oh oh gosh dang that's sad okay it kind of reminds me of that it kind of reminds me
of making like an iMovie for like my family we did that with my mom growing up this is what it
reminds me of but i'm doing it for like the stackers and stacker news live and for you and
for everybody like it's it kind of reminds me of that so there's a lot of heart in it in it like
car heart in it like because i and then wumble's helped too and play poets so it's definitely a
community thing but um so yeah you'll definitely feel that in there and then uh but yeah it's a
really cool it's a good it's a good sit it's a good sit well yeah we'll have to sit through it
or i'll have to sit through it you've already sat through it i already sat through it once
I couldn't sit through it again.
But I'm excited to sit through it with y'all to see what y'all think.
Hopefully there's no boring parts.
But I'll drop the trailer this week on Fountain.
I'll drop it tonight if I can.
Or maybe tomorrow.
Maybe.
I don't know if I'm going to be here that late.
But I'll drop the trailer on Fountain first.
Can we include it?
Did you already make the trailer?
I'm going to make it.
I'm going to make it either tonight or tomorrow and then drop it.
And then I'll drop it on Stacker News next week.
I want to make like a video at some point in the future,
just so we have this recorded.
I want to make a video called,
uh,
I want to make a stack of news live trailer where it's just a video of an
actual trailer,
uh,
that we,
that is,
that is owned by stack of news lives.
What does that mean?
It's an actual tray,
like a trailer.
It's like a,
you know,
like a physical trailer,
the stack of news trailer,
but it's a video of the stack or news trailer.
Yeah.
I don't know what you're saying.
It's like it's sort of punny.
You know?
Like the trailer that goes on the road is what you're saying?
Yeah, like that.
But we call it a Stacker News Live trailer.
And everyone's like, okay, this is going to be a trailer.
That we take on the road?
No, but they're going to think it's like a preview for a movie or something.
And really it's just a video of our literal trailer.
Okay.
Yeah, I don't know what you're saying.
but sure. Yeah, you're going to tiz on me.
I'm sorry.
Where's the Whisperers at? Have they all gone home?
They usually get out of the office
pretty early on a Friday.
Anyway, yeah, so we got that coming up
this weekend, so look for that to drop
and then I'll drop it on Sacker News Live
or Sacker News next week.
And then, yeah, then we're off to TapConf
in a couple weeks.
That should be fun.
Yeah, it should be a lot of fun.
Looks like everything's slowly moving together.
Yeah.
anyways yeah you got anything else uh i don't think so did you say what you're gonna do this
weekend already oh yeah just gonna work on all that stuff because we have a lot of stuff for
startup day i need to do for all that stuff and then um yeah just a lot of work um yeah mostly
mostly just work stuff basically we still got a couple weeks so yeah we got like 12 days so we
we got to get a lot of stuff done all right yeah a lot of emails to send out woo doggies yeah it
should be fun i'm looking forward to it it's gonna be a really fun two weeks with startup day and then
tapconf it's gonna be a lot of cool cool fun times man a lot of fun times ahead yeah especially going
into the fall yeah yeah no the weather starts getting good when you're in texas especially
and then yeah all the all the fun starts happening because all the kids go back
and all the parent bitcoiners start yeah hanging out again yeah that's why it's so sad to see
everybody fighting you know in the space it's just like dude we should be getting along right now
but i don't know at least i mean what's kind of cool is like the fight the fight isn't about
anything substantive and so that's almost like a good sign what do you mean like i the fight is
like about this like peripheral issue i heard yeah that's what that's what's kind of weird it's just
like they're putting their egos in the middle of all this it's like they can't they can't fight on
the actual the facts of it all do you know what i mean like on the technical facts so they have to
resort to the um the mudslinging that's where i'm kind of like i don't like yeah there's been a lot
there's been a lot of mudslinging and that isn't great but i think just it's a lot of energy being
put into something that's i think not a very significant one so that's you know but i think
if you're trained to be a warrior, you want to fight.
You just want to fight all the time.
You're a hammer. Everything looks like a nail
type of thing. But this is where I'm just
like, dude, we saw it earlier.
I forget which comment it was like, leave it on
Twitter. It's like, this is why I'm off
of Twitter and I use FeedFilter
for whenever I do log on.
It's just like filtering all that stuff out
is better.
And even muting stuff on
Stacker News is helpful too because I don't
need to see that stuff.
like i don't need to see that stuff it it makes my life better to operate in this environment where
it doesn't it doesn't help me like to for my for to get my job done for what i need to do to stay
productive in bitcoin like it's not beneficial to me i'm gonna hear about it anyway at the end of
the week you know what i mean yeah it's noise it's just noise for me what i need to get done
maybe it works for others because they're not working in the space but for me i need to stay
sharp any estate focus i need to keep building you know and that doesn't help me if anything
it's a distraction but to each their own i guess i don't know yeah it is for sure a distraction
for to a large degree except when it when it you know it might not it sounds like people are
getting so worked up over it it might turn into something that isn't that's bigger than a
distraction it's weird too it's when people don't even have like uh they're not even directly
connected to it and then they have a take on it it's like yeah no he's that a lot it's because
they're they're like not focused you know yeah it's like well here's my take on this thing i
don't i haven't bothered at all to really understand and i i know exactly what's going
on even though i don't understand i know exactly what's going on yeah it's a bit that is weird to
encounter but i think it's just like general human stuff yeah all right stackers make sure
to hit unsubscribe there don't follow us don't ring the bell don't do any of this stuff uh you're
not helping we want to stay small we want to just really still eat tv yeah if anyone if any of you
work at youtube if you could just get all of our subscribers wiped out so you know anyone
there if you know what is it soon jay yeah like yeah everything could just be uh keep it on stacker
news live or we'll keep it on stacker news and we'll just release that we could turn off we could
we'll just use YouTube for
releasing it and then eventually Keon will
roll out a live thing and we'll just do everything
for Stacker News. Yeah, I don't know.
We could turn off the subscribe
button. If we could, if someone could
call YouTube.
It's weird. The more we say that, the more
people keep subscribing. It's the strangest thing.
Stop subscribing.
Stop subscribing. We're warning you
guys. I'm telling you.
You want me to start talking
politically correct? You need to stop
subscribing.
You're going to ruin this podcast, Stackers.
Stop subscribing.
Look, now we got another subscriber.
Oh, did we?
Yeah, literally went up one.
What are they doing?
They're trying to ruin it.
Anyways.
Oh, man.
That's why I can't have nice things.