1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:18,860 Live from Fled Lab in Austin, Texas, this is Stacker News Live! 2 00:00:18,860 --> 00:00:29,840 I would guess it's because they want to make the thing slimmer. 3 00:00:30,140 --> 00:00:33,880 And if you create access panels and stuff, it begins adding millimeters. 4 00:00:34,460 --> 00:00:35,020 Hello, ladies and gentlemen. 5 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:36,540 Welcome back to another exciting episode of Stagger News Live. 6 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,080 My name is Carvin BFF-Keyon. 7 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:39,300 Keyon, how was your week? 8 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,020 Oh, it was a great week. 9 00:00:41,540 --> 00:00:42,900 There was so much that happened. 10 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:43,540 Really? 11 00:00:43,860 --> 00:00:44,220 Yeah. 12 00:00:44,900 --> 00:00:47,320 I mean, there's so much I probably couldn't even list at all. 13 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:47,740 I mean. 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:48,380 Really? 15 00:00:48,860 --> 00:00:51,860 Yeah, I probably took like thousands of breaths, I would think. 16 00:00:52,300 --> 00:00:52,660 Dang. 17 00:00:52,820 --> 00:00:54,520 All those heartbeats that happened. 18 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,640 I believe the sun rose at least a couple times, 19 00:00:58,740 --> 00:01:01,500 and so did the moon maybe even. 20 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:02,020 Wow. 21 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:02,440 Yeah. 22 00:01:02,860 --> 00:01:03,380 That's incredible. 23 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,060 I mean, you don't really hear about all that all the time. 24 00:01:06,140 --> 00:01:06,640 No, no. 25 00:01:06,900 --> 00:01:09,420 It's a rare occurrence these days. 26 00:01:09,420 --> 00:01:10,920 I don't think I saw you once this week. 27 00:01:11,060 --> 00:01:12,540 I'm trying to remember when I talked to you. 28 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:13,480 I don't think I talked to you. 29 00:01:13,860 --> 00:01:16,620 No, I walked by you several times probably. 30 00:01:16,620 --> 00:01:17,500 Yeah, I was in it, man. 31 00:01:17,500 --> 00:01:25,520 startup days coming up and that's been going and um yeah it's been a busy it's a busy time of year 32 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,760 it's a busy time of year yeah october man yeah people start people kind of slack off during 33 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:35,100 summer and then labor day comes right no one works during yeah they do they do a little work 34 00:01:35,100 --> 00:01:40,320 yeah they start doing a little work and everybody crams it in october yep and then november everyone's 35 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:44,960 like oh i got holidays now and then they're off again it's usually what happens a few months 36 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:47,240 today's gonna be a spicy show 37 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,580 okay 38 00:01:49,580 --> 00:01:50,740 you don't think so 39 00:01:50,740 --> 00:01:53,060 um I don't know 40 00:01:53,060 --> 00:01:54,500 spicy for who 41 00:01:54,500 --> 00:01:57,060 for people that watch this show they're gonna be like 42 00:01:57,060 --> 00:01:58,900 oh my god they're talking about stuff 43 00:01:58,900 --> 00:02:01,140 I don't know look what they said they're probably used 44 00:02:01,140 --> 00:02:02,920 to it did you really mean that 45 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,060 this is all I've been orange 46 00:02:05,060 --> 00:02:07,300 pilling my brother-in-law oh really 47 00:02:07,300 --> 00:02:09,180 yeah he's like 48 00:02:09,180 --> 00:02:10,620 you know mid-twenties 49 00:02:10,620 --> 00:02:13,240 uh I orange I programming 50 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,900 pilled him before he went to college, so he became a programmer. 51 00:02:17,180 --> 00:02:20,880 But more recently, he's been interested in Bitcoin. 52 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,740 He might come to TabConf. Really? Your brother-in-law? Yeah. 53 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,700 Whoa, that's crazy. Is he going to hang out at the booth? 54 00:02:28,700 --> 00:02:32,660 Or the table? I guess he'll hang out wherever. 55 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,640 He's just getting started. I'm just getting him going on Bitcoin. 56 00:02:36,780 --> 00:02:41,020 The room that you were in for that episode? Weren't you in his room? 57 00:02:41,020 --> 00:02:48,600 oh i was in his room yeah yeah docs yeah i don't know what i was saying about that but uh i remember 58 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,680 he was i was gonna i was gonna say because we were talking about what's going on in bitcoin 59 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,760 all the drama and he's asking me he's like okay so i'm getting i'm gonna try to get caught up i 60 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:01,780 want history i want to know these things about bitcoin and also what's going on right now and 61 00:03:01,780 --> 00:03:07,620 i'm like oh i'm like what's going on right now it's like it's all like drama that is like nonsense 62 00:03:07,620 --> 00:03:13,840 so there's really not a whole lot to really say about it the best thing i could say was like 63 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:18,720 one of the cool things about bitcoin is it's really hard to change so like whatever's going 64 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:24,580 on now is always at well not at the core of it it's like at the periphery of it and it's 65 00:03:24,580 --> 00:03:29,920 this thing right now is just drama straight drama so that's what we'll be talking about yeah i don't 66 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:33,960 really pay attention to any of it i just focus on the founder stuff i wish i couldn't pay attention 67 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:40,700 to it but yeah it kind of demands a little bit of attention i mean i felt like in the beginning i did 68 00:03:40,700 --> 00:03:48,460 like in 2020 21 even 22 but like right around 23 24 and then as time has gone on i'd feel like 69 00:03:48,460 --> 00:03:54,260 you know it's more in the peripheral and then i'm just more of like a supporter 70 00:03:54,260 --> 00:04:00,500 cheerleader yeah uh you know because there are people i know on both sides of that 71 00:04:00,500 --> 00:04:08,760 you know and um oh i see yeah yeah i don't really you know there's no reason to pick a side well 72 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,660 it's not i mean obviously i care because i'm holding bitcoin but outside of that i don't i 73 00:04:12,660 --> 00:04:17,260 don't know if i actually have a um dog in the fight well it's not even that i feel like i do 74 00:04:17,260 --> 00:04:22,660 but i i don't i don't know if um i don't i have a take on it we'll talk about it later 75 00:04:22,660 --> 00:04:25,700 but i don't think people are gonna like my take people are gonna be kind of pissed 76 00:04:25,700 --> 00:04:35,800 oh no oh no yeah wow you're heated already no i'm not it's just it's just my it's just my take on it 77 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:43,640 but this is why i don't share my take especially with developers oh yeah you have you you do have 78 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:50,320 a view of developers that suggest that they might be precious and have be temperamental 79 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:51,060 I am a Tiz whisperer. 80 00:04:51,060 --> 00:04:52,380 Can't handle it. 81 00:04:52,420 --> 00:04:53,180 I am a Tiz whisperer. 82 00:04:53,180 --> 00:04:54,640 Yeah, I guess so. 83 00:04:55,140 --> 00:04:56,380 But are you a Tiz listener? 84 00:04:56,740 --> 00:04:58,180 Oh, wow. 85 00:04:58,180 --> 00:04:59,000 That wasn't on. 86 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,180 Nick has two mempools, it turns out. 87 00:05:07,020 --> 00:05:07,500 He was telling us. 88 00:05:07,500 --> 00:05:08,760 We need three acts. 89 00:05:08,780 --> 00:05:09,420 Hey, come over here. 90 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,880 One of them is like rage. 91 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:12,480 Uh-oh. 92 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:14,740 We got to mute this. 93 00:05:15,340 --> 00:05:17,060 He's saying some graphic things. 94 00:05:17,060 --> 00:05:24,040 um save that for for a conference um anyways if you've never seen this crazy show before 95 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:29,040 uh it's called stacker news live we cover the front page of bitcoin at stacker.news every week 96 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:35,180 and uh yeah we had some really popular videos last week um feel safe in america turns out that 97 00:05:35,180 --> 00:05:41,100 was a real popular one um the perplexity one was popular the kevin durant when i told you 98 00:05:41,100 --> 00:05:47,140 key on the camera durant was pretty good clickbait yeah yeah people love hearing about celebrities and 99 00:05:47,140 --> 00:05:50,600 getting hacked and stuff so that was a good one and then the overabundance one 100 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:56,440 and uh people keep subscribing stop subscribing um we thought we told you guys and we need you 101 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:02,800 to unsubscribe um stop subscribing we're every week there's just more and more subscribers 102 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:09,240 we don't want to be popular we don't want to be influential um i want to be able to be dishonest 103 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,420 we want to be able to tell you the truth if we get too popular we have to start lying 104 00:06:13,420 --> 00:06:18,600 is that what you think happens we have to pretend we believe things that we don't 105 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:27,560 we have to start hyping up technologies and people and projects that we don't actually believe in 106 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:33,280 because it's like we need something to talk about well calm down wait because you know how like we 107 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:38,740 we're capable of being extremely boring right now because there's like uh you know we get to talk 108 00:06:38,740 --> 00:06:43,620 about what's actually going on in bitcoin which is extremely boring but when you you know if we 109 00:06:43,620 --> 00:06:48,680 got popular we'd have to try to keep our popularity going that's hard you got to start making shit up 110 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:56,940 yes this is changing the world this is gonna do it's gonna everything's gonna be different 111 00:06:56,940 --> 00:07:03,680 because of this stop stop subscribing seriously we don't want that it's not do you want that to 112 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:09,160 happen to us this is not helping us please unsubscribe now unsubscribe un hit the bell 113 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:14,300 don't don't do that do like my parents and unsubscribe katie stop watching 114 00:07:14,300 --> 00:07:23,360 anyways uh yeah anyways uh we're oh yeah i forgot i mentioned we're dropping a dvd at tab conf 115 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:28,660 so we posted this i said stop subscribing i posted this earlier i was like stop subscribing 116 00:07:28,660 --> 00:07:36,440 no this one here where is it at here yeah this one so we're dropping where is it at is it this one 117 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:45,180 oh no it's not this one we're dropping uh we're dropping a dvd at tapconf if you're um if you're 118 00:07:45,180 --> 00:07:52,220 coming to tapconf it's not in here anyways if you're coming to tapconf definitely come grab a 119 00:07:52,220 --> 00:07:58,620 dvd we're gonna have 25 copies i'm gonna drop the trailer um nick had a great idea about dropping 120 00:07:58,620 --> 00:08:03,980 a trailer so i'm gonna drop the trailer um this weekend on fountain because we have that video on 121 00:08:03,980 --> 00:08:08,280 fountain now so if you're a supporter on fountain you'll see that early if you're not then you have 122 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:14,100 to wait till next week for the trailer and then uh next week on friday here at club lab we're 123 00:08:14,100 --> 00:08:20,980 going to be doing a uh the dvd commentary track kian did you know that we're doing a dvd commentary 124 00:08:20,980 --> 00:08:25,480 track after snl next week you told me about that yeah so it might be a short time it might be a 125 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:32,960 shorter snl next week because we gotta watch uh gotta watch ourselves and then talk about it it's 126 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:38,760 kind of funny though so it's not that bad okay yeah i threw a little piece to plebfoot uh yesterday 127 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:43,880 and she was like oh she started laughing so i wish i still drank because that's the only way i'll be 128 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:48,000 able to get through that i'll probably i'll probably drink during the show it'll be good 129 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,940 anyways with all that being said let's start let's start the show at the number five top story this 130 00:08:52,940 --> 00:08:58,580 week is did strive just deploy warren buffett's elephant gun this is from den september 22nd 18 131 00:08:58,580 --> 00:09:05,900 comments 1162 sets keon what's this yeah so warren warren buffett's elephant gun is his big 132 00:09:05,900 --> 00:09:12,380 reserve of cash waiting to be deployed so he kind of keeps a huge pile of billions of hundreds of 133 00:09:12,380 --> 00:09:16,040 billions of dollars just waiting for the right opportunity in the market that's what he calls 134 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:25,480 is elephant gun, I guess. And Joaquin Book drew a comparison to that in the Strive and similar 135 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:32,240 story. So Strive is a Bitcoin treasury company, one of many now. I don't know, I wonder which 136 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:40,080 number they emerged at, but it was probably somewhere when about 10 of them existed, I think 137 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:46,920 I started hearing about them. And then there's another one, another Bitcoin treasury company 138 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:53,820 called Semler, Semler Scientific, I think. They have like a medical testing business. And then 139 00:09:53,820 --> 00:09:58,180 they started acquiring Bitcoin and they became a Bitcoin treasury company too. I guess Strives, 140 00:09:58,180 --> 00:10:09,660 um mnav their multiple of net assets uh what is it yeah the the share their share price to net 141 00:10:09,660 --> 00:10:14,680 asset value was like several multiples it was like three in the eight range that's usually when 142 00:10:14,680 --> 00:10:19,240 these companies start doing lots of fiat things is when that range is pretty big 143 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:26,840 and so strive did such a fiat thing and they acquired the uh the smaller bitcoin treasury 144 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:34,680 company similar with an all stock deal. So they gave them similar shareholders, got a bunch of 145 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:43,760 strive stock in exchange for similar Bitcoin holdings. In addition to similar like normal 146 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:49,080 business, which is a scientific research thing. And so they paid, they paid roughly 147 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:55,140 market value for their scientific research testing business 148 00:10:55,140 --> 00:11:00,280 and then also market value roughly. 149 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,240 Also, maybe a little better than market value for the Bitcoin. 150 00:11:04,820 --> 00:11:08,300 And so they just added, I think it was 5,000 Bitcoin 151 00:11:08,300 --> 00:11:09,300 is what similar held. 152 00:11:09,300 --> 00:11:14,360 So Strive added 5,000 Bitcoin to their share price 153 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,520 or to their Bitcoin treasury. 154 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:18,700 That's the whole thing. 155 00:11:18,700 --> 00:11:21,300 This is like the first example of this. 156 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:32,620 And I guess Matt Levine, who we've talked about a few times on this podcast, who's done a lot of things, I think, for Bloomberg about this treasury stuff. 157 00:11:32,680 --> 00:11:41,700 He was predicting this back in July, that we'd see treasury companies with high MNAVs snatching up treasury companies with low MNAVs. 158 00:11:42,260 --> 00:11:48,360 Because they have that MNAV is like is sort of like the bullets that they have in their gun. 159 00:11:48,700 --> 00:11:52,800 and they can just pick up these other treasury companies 160 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:53,520 because why not? 161 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,180 That's basically it, I guess. 162 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:00,900 Yeah, I got nothing. 163 00:12:02,140 --> 00:12:02,660 Cool. 164 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,660 Next story we got, number four, 165 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,120 is how to contribute to Bitcoin or Bitcoin Core 166 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:09,000 other than code. 167 00:12:09,100 --> 00:12:09,920 This is from Schmitty. 168 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:11,740 September 24th, Bitcoin territory. 169 00:12:11,900 --> 00:12:13,520 Three comments, 628 sets. 170 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,120 Keon, what's going on with Bitcoin and Bitcoin Core? 171 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:24,540 yeah i guess well i guess schmitty um and which schmitty is this this is uh schmitty at brink 172 00:12:24,540 --> 00:12:29,300 oh okay yeah i believe i've been seeing him post a lot more this week right 173 00:12:29,300 --> 00:12:36,100 um what's going on uh well they put they post the optech um regularly and then yeah they've 174 00:12:36,100 --> 00:12:42,060 been posting more about i guess just kind of cross-pollinating other stuff and other discussions 175 00:12:42,060 --> 00:12:49,240 they have. So I guess Bitcoin contributions came up either in a thread or somewhere else. 176 00:12:50,180 --> 00:12:55,900 And I think Schmitty gave a talk or someone else gave a talk at some point, because this is an 177 00:12:55,900 --> 00:13:02,300 extract from bgctranscripts.com. But these are all the ways that you can possibly get involved in 178 00:13:02,300 --> 00:13:08,040 Bitcoin. Because by all appearances, the way to get involved in Bitcoin is be annoying on Twitter 179 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,140 and argue with people and call them names. 180 00:13:11,660 --> 00:13:13,700 Because from the outside, that's kind of all you see. 181 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,740 But there are actually lots of people doing lots of work 182 00:13:16,740 --> 00:13:17,520 in all these areas. 183 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,960 And we could actually use more people doing these things 184 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:22,600 than complaining on Twitter. 185 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,320 And then he talks about the different ways. 186 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:27,100 Yeah, the different ways. 187 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:28,540 There's so many ways. 188 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,040 I'm surprised they don't do their own conference, Rink. 189 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:34,000 You know what I mean? 190 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,280 I'm surprised they don't have their own conference. 191 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:41,720 rink and chain code and yeah i'm surprised they don't oh well they don't want another job for 192 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,680 themselves and there's people doing great jobs they try to i'm just surprised that they don't 193 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:50,060 like they do a lot of all the other stuff but that's one that they don't do yeah well they i 194 00:13:50,060 --> 00:13:53,000 mean i think that's why it's listed in here is they see it as part of their job to participate 195 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,460 in those other conferences rather than throw their own yeah i'm just surprised that they don't do one 196 00:13:57,460 --> 00:14:01,500 that's all i'm saying yeah because i was looking at the list right there yeah that's like one of 197 00:14:01,500 --> 00:14:04,780 the things that they don't do well they also don't do all of these things these are just things that 198 00:14:04,780 --> 00:14:08,060 other people in the community they see doing yeah they're also helpful i'm just surprised 199 00:14:08,060 --> 00:14:11,980 that they and each each of each of like the bitcoin non-profits they kind of have a focus 200 00:14:11,980 --> 00:14:17,460 um we'll get into that in another post but they they tend to do certain kinds of work versus other 201 00:14:17,460 --> 00:14:23,040 kinds of work i think in the case of brink they focus janitor work too yeah the janitor work is 202 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:29,520 is probably some of the most important actual janitor work they just it means like work that 203 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:34,180 people don't want to do it doesn't seem glamorous but it's probably like some of the most important 204 00:14:34,180 --> 00:14:43,940 especially if it's not getting done um oh that's cool yeah yeah uh i didn't know they ran the uh 205 00:14:43,940 --> 00:14:50,380 okay so they also do the um the um chain code thing too as well i think i think chain code is 206 00:14:50,380 --> 00:14:55,840 an independent non-profit so that's not the same thing as brink no brink is like a different okay 207 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:01,280 they might i think i think they're the same i think we might lump them together because they 208 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:06,900 were like two of the only non-profits that existed in bitcoin for a long time okay yeah yeah i never 209 00:15:06,900 --> 00:15:12,180 know how many of those are all the same or not but i think they are like they do help each other a lot 210 00:15:12,180 --> 00:15:16,640 but i think they have different message chain code is more so like a sort of a they all work 211 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,600 from the same they all like have the same people work with each other right i think they do go from 212 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:25,800 they'll go from one i have seen which one does merch work for because he have his own now yeah 213 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:30,880 merch now is that local host and oh it's san fran yeah that's right palo alto i can't wait to see 214 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:38,860 march at tabco that should be good um cool cool stuff man love to see it yeah this is a great list 215 00:15:38,860 --> 00:15:43,740 whenever we do top builder it's always cool to see people that are like in top builder at the 216 00:15:43,740 --> 00:15:47,840 same time they're in the chain code thing and like vice versa yeah it's always cool to hear 217 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:54,200 stuff or people that graduate from top builder then go to chain code or vice versa so yeah chain 218 00:15:54,200 --> 00:16:00,760 code has changed a lot since i was in it in 2020 2021 and look where you're at you're at club i was 219 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:05,120 in there with gloria actually who's now oh you were look at you she was the i think she was the 220 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:14,040 first person i met wow i met in um look at you i met in chain code dang both look look where you 221 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:18,540 guys ended up she was talking about she's talking about anchor out she's on core and you're over 222 00:16:18,540 --> 00:16:26,620 here doing stacker news see that could be you classes classes for everything yeah you're with 223 00:16:26,620 --> 00:16:34,940 the plebs she's with the she's with the devs she's the royalty oh wow or devs yeah i don't know what 224 00:16:34,940 --> 00:16:42,680 is better uh we got it uh top comment was from um beam me up scotty or beat me up lol i don't 225 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:49,520 understand more than half of these but the least effort what i can do is run a full note and then 226 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:54,320 outside they also need to use their full note for something like privately checking all right cool 227 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,880 yeah I think a useful thing would be like having some links here 228 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,620 letting the plebs know what to do 229 00:17:02,620 --> 00:17:04,760 we have that so we have a thing called pleb book 230 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,140 maybe Schmitty can take a look at this 231 00:17:08,140 --> 00:17:11,880 go here and then we have some links here to do all the stuff 232 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,240 developers to follow all that stuff dev comps all that kind of stuff 233 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,460 so just an idea you can fork this if you want 234 00:17:20,460 --> 00:17:29,540 but uh other ways you could do stuff like that yeah i yeah perhaps i mean that would be i think 235 00:17:29,540 --> 00:17:36,860 a way you could help someone could help bitcoin is um continuing to build out a resource like a 236 00:17:36,860 --> 00:17:42,620 i think i think yeah i think book build up plug book so that it is um yeah i'm putting right here 237 00:17:42,620 --> 00:17:46,000 comprehensive book.com contribute 238 00:17:46,000 --> 00:18:03,660 um but yeah next top story is number whoa number three the rage leaked luke dash jr plans hard for 239 00:18:03,660 --> 00:18:10,580 it to save bitcoin in quotations this is from a non september 25th of bitcoin territory 38 comments 240 00:18:10,580 --> 00:18:13,980 4 780 cents keon 241 00:18:13,980 --> 00:18:22,880 why are we reporting drama this week on stacker news live i thought we 242 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:30,540 didn't report drama and we report stuff like this we report what people zap and people zap this and 243 00:18:30,540 --> 00:18:35,900 you know people tend to i'm surprised to see anon in the top five this is the first time this ever 244 00:18:35,900 --> 00:18:40,240 happen on the show i think we i think that might be true but i i would also definitely 245 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:46,100 okay it's definitely true i've never seen in a non-post in the top five that means that means a 246 00:18:46,100 --> 00:18:56,620 very high level um what do you call them a web of trust stacker upvoted this i don't know we have a 247 00:18:56,620 --> 00:19:02,440 lot of sands wasn't me i have a non-muted so it might not even be the it might not be trust so 248 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:07,240 much as some like someone zapped a lot oh let me check someone really wants to see this 249 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:16,760 details 20 zappers 20 zappers okay maybe just skated through well at some point we'll do stats 250 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:21,120 on like the average zap and stuff but anyway yeah you should you should have in there under details 251 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:26,520 it should be like web of trust or top you know what i mean it should have like the amount of 252 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:32,980 i told the ck one time it should have like the top top 10 web of trust stackers or whatever like 253 00:19:32,980 --> 00:19:39,260 oh no we're never gonna uh dox people's apps no i'm just saying like it tells you like who the top 254 00:19:39,260 --> 00:19:45,160 like were their web of trust stackers that also zapped this and that that take into account i mean 255 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:51,360 everyone's a web of trust stacker you know what i mean like the top tier ones um well i don't know 256 00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:55,920 okay i don't know what i'm saying anyway uh the story so it's a bit to start off this is a bit of 257 00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:02,520 clickbaity title because in truth this isn't actually a hard fork oh it's blocked how am i 258 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,400 gonna oh are you not on a vpn yeah that's why i guess i can't because i'm running the show all 259 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:14,600 right let me do the archive archive um anyway uh someone was having a conversation with luke dash 260 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:20,760 jr is it dasher or dash jr do you know how to say that anyway it was someone's having a conversation 261 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,420 with Luke privately, it looks like, on Signal. 262 00:20:25,020 --> 00:20:28,980 And Luke was asking questions about a hypothetical design. 263 00:20:28,980 --> 00:20:32,040 Well, allegedly was asking about a hypothetical design 264 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:39,220 for changing what a node runner stores. 265 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,180 Not actually forking away, but like you download a block 266 00:20:44,180 --> 00:20:46,740 and there's a transaction that has some kind of spam in it. 267 00:20:46,740 --> 00:20:58,560 and is there a way that like a sort of independent federation of people could signal to the person running the node that that is spam and they should not store it, but that it's valid. 268 00:20:59,260 --> 00:21:05,800 And that's basically what Luke is proposing is like I'm running a nots node. 269 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:12,400 and rather than downloading a block that has some spam in it, 270 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,560 I download a block that has, you can imagine, 271 00:21:15,740 --> 00:21:18,040 sort of a redacted section of it. 272 00:21:18,180 --> 00:21:20,320 But in that redacted section of the block, 273 00:21:20,860 --> 00:21:24,280 it's like this cryptographic thing that says that proves to me 274 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,000 that transaction is actually valid. 275 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:31,520 So that I know I'm actually still using Bitcoin and I trust this block, 276 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:36,400 but I don't have to myself look at or store the, um, 277 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,160 spam or the thing that I don't want in the block. And that's, you know, 278 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,640 that's what Luke is discussing with someone here, allegedly, uh, who knows, 279 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,440 who allegedly and someone who knows more about the zero knowledge proof stuff. 280 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,640 Um, but you know, this is, uh, it's kind of, yeah, 281 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,440 it's a private conversation and that's already kind of, you know, 282 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:04,860 sauce uh not very cool to be sharing so this is where this is for me like this this just goes back 283 00:22:04,860 --> 00:22:11,500 to why i always say i'm not on signal or telegram because you know people try to people try to um 284 00:22:11,500 --> 00:22:17,780 take you out of context well it's not even that this is just goes back to why i always say like 285 00:22:17,780 --> 00:22:22,000 don't be on telegram or signal this is why when founders come into plub lab and they go through 286 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,760 like startup score they ask for my advice on this kind of stuff there's no business that can be 287 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:32,500 conducted in signal or telegram. Absolutely not. And this sort of thing happens all the time. 288 00:22:32,740 --> 00:22:36,320 And this is why I'm always telling founders, if you're doing business through signal or telegram, 289 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,480 you probably should be doing business with those type of Bitcoiners. I'm just telling you, 290 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:55,340 and this is what I tell founders all business should be conducted through email And this is why you have some Bitcoiners I not calling them out I just telling you the truth This is how car feels That will only do business through Signal or Telegram And it very sus to me when I see that 291 00:22:55,420 --> 00:23:00,680 And that's why I tell founders, if you come through PlobLab, don't do business or make 292 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,660 arrangements through Telegram or Signal. 293 00:23:02,660 --> 00:23:07,600 Do that through email and make sure that that is where the business is done. 294 00:23:07,900 --> 00:23:08,740 What is your sense of what? 295 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:09,300 Let me finish. 296 00:23:09,580 --> 00:23:14,240 This is where I'm trying to, this is where I always tell founders, if you come through 297 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:20,240 make sure you're doing business stuff through email because that's something that will be more 298 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:26,020 appropriate this is like it's actual business conversation that's happening and this is where 299 00:23:26,020 --> 00:23:31,220 it's like good to know what you're doing now as far as like just conversations and stuff like this 300 00:23:31,220 --> 00:23:36,500 like i don't know what this is about i don't know if this is related to ocean i don't know if this 301 00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:40,620 is related to his company or whatever he's doing i don't know if this is just a conversation or 302 00:23:40,620 --> 00:23:45,720 whatever i didn't read through this this is like to me there's like a lot of different things going 303 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:50,320 on here there's this company that he runs with ocean there's him as a developer open source 304 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:55,420 contributor then there's him trying to put what they're saying here that he's trying to do a hard 305 00:23:55,420 --> 00:24:00,780 fork there's a lot of separate pieces here and a lot of different entities that are tied to this 306 00:24:00,780 --> 00:24:07,740 but yeah i i think this is if there's the stackers that are listening if there's founders that are 307 00:24:07,740 --> 00:24:12,880 listening. This is why I do not get into like business conversations through signal. This is 308 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,340 why I tell people not to get to through, through business conversations through signal or through 309 00:24:17,340 --> 00:24:22,400 telegram. It's a bad idea. Stuff like this can happen. If there's any lesson that can be learned 310 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,860 from this is don't do business conversations or anything like that through signal or telegram. 311 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:32,060 Go ahead, Ken. Sorry. Oh no. So I'm just wondering what makes email better. That was mostly what I 312 00:24:32,060 --> 00:24:36,840 was going to ask. Cause like, if you're doing, if you're still doing it, because email is a, 313 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,280 is a place where you do business and you're probably not going to bring up, 314 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:39,440 Hey, 315 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,500 I plan to hard fork Bitcoin is all I'm saying. 316 00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:45,500 And it probably will have his business underneath that says like ocean, 317 00:24:46,380 --> 00:24:46,520 blah, 318 00:24:46,540 --> 00:24:46,660 blah, 319 00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:46,880 blah, 320 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:47,420 or whatever. 321 00:24:47,740 --> 00:24:47,780 Well, 322 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:47,960 that's, 323 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:48,940 that's super sensible. 324 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,420 So it's like you're, 325 00:24:50,420 --> 00:24:53,200 you're thinking cause it's more long emails are more long form. 326 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,840 You're thinking more about your answers and you're not just kind of, 327 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:57,140 you know, 328 00:24:57,140 --> 00:24:59,700 like kind of distractingly sending, 329 00:25:00,060 --> 00:25:02,280 shooting off messages about whatever, 330 00:25:02,820 --> 00:25:03,200 whenever. 331 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:08,440 and so it keeps you disciplined to have to be using email versus one of these chat clients 332 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,520 i think it's actually very sensible but i wish i just that wasn't clear to me i thought 333 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:17,820 maybe you were speaking to a security thing or something else um so i think that i think that 334 00:25:17,820 --> 00:25:22,480 is pretty good advice the other thing the other thing i wanted to bring up was this is all related 335 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:30,900 or somewhat related to um is or no that's coming up that's coming up next but the the other thing 336 00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:37,220 that got released was the jameson lop post which is it's not a serious project by jameson lop 337 00:25:37,220 --> 00:25:42,240 so this came out this week this was like in the top i guess it was the top five this week 338 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:47,660 did you read this post i did read this best so this was just like another hit piece coming from 339 00:25:47,660 --> 00:25:55,040 jameson lop just tearing down luke entirely like it read like somebody who was just very vindictive 340 00:25:55,040 --> 00:26:02,460 because of of luke said some bad things about uh jameson um i don't know anything i've never met 341 00:26:02,460 --> 00:26:08,820 these guys i don't but to me when i read when i read through this i was just like this is disgusting 342 00:26:08,820 --> 00:26:14,160 dude like why would you go out of like look the amount of research so the amount of research the 343 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:20,480 amount of time the amount of attention the amount of detail the amount of screenshots like this this 344 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:26,680 this looks like somebody spent in an inordinate amount of time really looking into the sky and 345 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,100 like really going deep on the sky like this is not something you just do like in a couple hours 346 00:26:31,100 --> 00:26:36,580 no this is something that you spend a massive amount of time putting together and like that 347 00:26:36,580 --> 00:26:44,000 takes an enormous amount of uh of like emotion and uh and trigger like that this is when i read 348 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:49,620 this i read this as somebody who is like very very very very very very very very like 349 00:26:49,620 --> 00:26:58,000 um like it just reads like an emotional piece to me sure it it's it looks like on the surface like 350 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:03,000 it's it's not that but like you don't spend that inordinate amount of time putting this together 351 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:11,460 just to to shoot to shoot off from the hip and uh i i just i'm just to me it's just like uh 352 00:27:11,460 --> 00:27:18,280 it's just disgusting dude it's just disgusting yeah it's a bit it's so lop does this with 353 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:23,600 literally every piece on Lopp's blog that you read has this level of detail in it. So I think 354 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:28,220 it's the, it's the way he approaches any topic. And you could say he's going after Luke because, 355 00:27:28,220 --> 00:27:32,580 because of something else that happened and he does, Luke doesn't actually deserve, but, 356 00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:36,100 but like Lopp puts that much effort into anything and maybe he shouldn't have put 357 00:27:36,100 --> 00:27:41,280 that much effort into that post. And I'm not saying I, I love that post or anything. 358 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:47,740 um but but this this is this is just goes back to what bitcoiners do so and and you were talking 359 00:27:47,740 --> 00:27:51,740 we were we were joking about it earlier right like we we get to say these things right now 360 00:27:51,740 --> 00:27:56,240 because no one watches this show no one cares about the show no one cares about us we can say 361 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:01,540 whatever we want only the stackers are listening which is great i love it um but the the absolute 362 00:28:01,540 --> 00:28:07,680 truth is is that in the space it's a very kind of like a game of thrones world out there right 363 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:30,980 There's like these people at the top that control the narrative that can, all these influencers, right? And they're the kind of people running the space, right? And then we have all these lowly people at the bottom. And then if you don't fall in line with them, like, guess what happens? Like, get loot, right? Like, this is kind of what's going on with him. Like, he's getting loot. Like, you're basically become this guy. And this is kind of what happens when you don't fall in line with everybody. 364 00:28:30,980 --> 00:28:39,380 and yeah so like if there's anybody else that wants to step out of line guess what's going to 365 00:28:39,380 --> 00:28:44,560 happen to you you're going to get looped what so one one thing i will say about that post is 366 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:50,740 while it does it does like i think take a lot of things from the context they were in and 367 00:28:50,740 --> 00:28:55,420 and catalog them and kind of stack them up as like look at all of these offenses luke has done 368 00:28:55,420 --> 00:29:02,060 without maybe giving a lot of time or space to positive things that Luke has done. 369 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:07,460 And so that, I think, is where maybe you could criticize the articles. 370 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,380 It doesn't really paint a full picture, but I don't think that was the point. 371 00:29:10,380 --> 00:29:17,080 I think the point was to discourage people from running knots or paying much attention to Luke. 372 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:23,260 And whether people should or not, I'm not really the person to say. 373 00:29:23,260 --> 00:29:29,180 what I do what I what I mostly got from that when I was reading it is just how how contrarian 374 00:29:29,180 --> 00:29:35,100 Lucas he is like he's like a he's like a super he's his like superpower he has like a superpower 375 00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:42,640 level of contrarianness he's like it's incredible how how willing he is to hold a point of view 376 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:51,140 that is different than nearly every uh large larger group um I thought that was pretty cool 377 00:29:51,140 --> 00:29:54,620 So I came away with it from something positive about Luke. 378 00:29:56,420 --> 00:30:06,600 I think I would have, where I didn't really like it was where it went into Luke's beliefs that don't relate to Bitcoin. 379 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,280 I just felt like that was crossing the line for me. 380 00:30:09,420 --> 00:30:17,980 I think, you know, with regard to maybe Luke's development practices, I feel like that's fair game when trying to warn people away from implantation. 381 00:30:17,980 --> 00:30:22,140 but that it was when he went into kind of Luke's religious beliefs where I 382 00:30:22,140 --> 00:30:22,580 was like, 383 00:30:22,580 --> 00:30:23,540 maybe this is, 384 00:30:23,540 --> 00:30:29,460 maybe this is trying to hurt his character too much. 385 00:30:29,780 --> 00:30:31,200 But to me, 386 00:30:31,220 --> 00:30:32,420 this is just all drama though. 387 00:30:32,620 --> 00:30:32,680 So, 388 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:32,960 well, 389 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:33,680 it's to me, 390 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:34,180 to me, 391 00:30:34,180 --> 00:30:34,780 it's like, 392 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:35,440 to me, 393 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:35,700 when I, 394 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:36,800 when I look at all this, 395 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:37,100 to me, 396 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:37,480 it just looks, 397 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,180 it looks like a coordinated attack on, 398 00:30:39,260 --> 00:30:39,860 on a guy. 399 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:40,800 I, 400 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:41,060 I, 401 00:30:41,060 --> 00:30:41,860 to me, 402 00:30:41,940 --> 00:30:42,240 to me, 403 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,100 it just looks more like the Charlie Kirk thing. 404 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:45,100 To be honest, 405 00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:45,560 it's like, 406 00:30:45,620 --> 00:30:46,060 are you, 407 00:30:46,060 --> 00:30:47,940 are you trying to stop a guy from, 408 00:30:47,980 --> 00:30:54,120 saying what he wants and doing what he wants? Or are you just trying to stop him from pushing a 409 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,260 narrative or because you're not able to control that narrative? You know what I mean? I, me 410 00:30:58,260 --> 00:31:04,920 personally, I, I have no, I don't, I don't mind the fact that he's doing whatever he wants to do, 411 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:12,020 like let the best, you know, thing win. Right. Um, but I, I don't like when somebody on the 412 00:31:12,020 --> 00:31:17,340 outside from my position, from where I'm looking at is getting bullied. I don't like that. Like I, 413 00:31:17,340 --> 00:31:19,500 I do not like when people are getting bullied. 414 00:31:19,660 --> 00:31:20,400 Even if they're a bully? 415 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:21,840 It doesn't matter. 416 00:31:22,180 --> 00:31:22,800 It doesn't matter. 417 00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:25,160 It's the same thing that Charlie Kirk was doing. 418 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,120 It's like, let the guy speak his mind. 419 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,600 Let the guy say what he wants. 420 00:31:29,060 --> 00:31:30,880 We're not, Bitcoiners are better than this. 421 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,560 This is another thing that I kind of noticed 422 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,360 in the Bitcoin space. 423 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,580 We're all supposed to be unplugged from the matrix, 424 00:31:35,820 --> 00:31:38,360 but a lot of us are still plugged into the matrix, bro. 425 00:31:38,620 --> 00:31:39,820 It's the weirdest thing. 426 00:31:39,820 --> 00:31:41,480 And you see it time and time again, 427 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,500 where a lot of people are very plugged into the matrix 428 00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:46,820 and they're still like, 429 00:31:46,820 --> 00:31:50,460 They're kind of like Cypher, where they're on the outside. 430 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,640 They're outside the matrix, but they're like Cypher, where they made this deal with Agent 431 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,240 Smith, and they're like, oh, ego is bliss. 432 00:31:58,420 --> 00:32:03,640 They're eating their steak dinners, and they're working with Agent Smith, and they're still 433 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:04,460 plugged in. 434 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,340 They're still outside the matrix, but they're plugged into working with Agent Smith. 435 00:32:08,660 --> 00:32:13,000 And there's a lot of people like that in Bitcoin, where they're outside the matrix, but they're 436 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:19,380 working with the agents to make sure that the matrix it we don't get any more people out you 437 00:32:19,380 --> 00:32:24,260 know what i mean and that's kind of what i see right now happening it's like oh don't don't don't 438 00:32:24,260 --> 00:32:28,640 don't don't rock the boat like we can't have any and it's just very much like that and that's that's 439 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,860 that's what a lot i see in bitcoin going on especially this past couple years especially 440 00:32:32,860 --> 00:32:37,540 when the etf has passed a lot of people like cypher in the matrix a lot of people like that 441 00:32:37,540 --> 00:32:41,200 where they're unplugged but they're still plugged in because they're working hand in hand with these 442 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:47,600 agent smiths that's an i like the metaphor i think that is pretty good where i feel like there 443 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,120 are a lot of people who haven't completely crossed over and ready no they've crossed 444 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:57,020 they're crossed over they just don't want to eat the the cereal that tastes like uh scrambled eggs 445 00:32:57,020 --> 00:33:02,480 they're gonna eat a fake steak that that ego's bliss for or what is that not egos but ignorance 446 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:10,080 is bliss for okay let's go re-watch the first matrix it's so good number two okay uh yeah some 447 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:18,200 thoughts on bitcoin core developing funding this is from schmitty um yeah yeah yeah uh so this is 448 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:24,760 another top post from schmitty this week um i guess adam back there was some thread on xor that 449 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,700 were talking about developer funding and adam back had a take on it which he admitted was 450 00:33:28,700 --> 00:33:33,640 you know kind of removed from actually being knowledgeable about it and so schmitty stepped 451 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:43,580 in and helped Adam back, I think, understand what's going on. But he basically pointed to 452 00:33:43,580 --> 00:33:51,560 this report by 1A1Z, which lays out in great detail everything that's going on in Bitcoin 453 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,500 developer funding, where the money's coming from, how much is getting spent a year. We spend about, 454 00:33:56,500 --> 00:34:06,020 I think in 2023, it was like $8.4 million was spent on direct Bitcoin funding. 455 00:34:06,780 --> 00:34:08,520 And all the organizations involved, et cetera. 456 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:18,560 And then the way Schmitty sees it using Adam Back's points is to sort of jump off. 457 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:23,660 and so we have 30 to 40 full-time engineers 458 00:34:23,660 --> 00:34:28,500 maintaining and hardening the network 459 00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:31,480 for the $2.5 trillion network is what he says 460 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,580 and he says that as like that seems to be the right amount. 461 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,080 Like you probably, we have $2.5 trillion. 462 00:34:39,420 --> 00:34:42,540 You probably don't want fewer than 30 to 40 people on it. 463 00:34:42,820 --> 00:34:44,880 Full-time is what he says there 464 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,440 and then Adam Mack also said that 465 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,560 there's been too much funding and that's too, 466 00:34:50,940 --> 00:34:53,340 it's given to people without clear direction. 467 00:34:53,940 --> 00:34:59,040 And then Schmitty argues that you actually kind of, 468 00:34:59,620 --> 00:35:02,280 we're still underpaying the people. 469 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:02,740 I mean, 470 00:35:02,820 --> 00:35:06,720 a lot of these developers are true wizards and could get paid a lot of money 471 00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:07,340 in industry. 472 00:35:07,340 --> 00:35:09,700 I've seen them in industry getting paid very well. 473 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,120 And they usually take a huge pay cut to come and work on Bitcoin because they 474 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:19,220 view it as important for you know the the future and the the world they care about 475 00:35:19,220 --> 00:35:29,400 and so they work on it um and then uh yeah i i think it it's it's generally a kind it's just 476 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:37,140 kind of bringing adam back up to date on um the state of the network uh and if anyone's curious 477 00:35:37,140 --> 00:35:42,900 or the state of developer funding in Bitcoin. 478 00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:47,720 And anyone's curious, I would check out that one A1Z post as well. 479 00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:51,720 It has some graphs in there and some other details. 480 00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:56,560 One of the things that's a little hard to look at 481 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,160 is that it's something like 90% of the money. 482 00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:06,860 And even though we have many more developer funding nonprofits now in Bitcoin, 483 00:36:07,140 --> 00:36:08,800 90% of the money comes from Jack Dorsey. 484 00:36:10,540 --> 00:36:14,540 But what's nice about that is the report says 485 00:36:14,540 --> 00:36:16,340 that they've talked to most of the organizations 486 00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:20,180 and the organization says sometimes it's contractually such 487 00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:24,300 that Jack Dorsey has no say over what they actually get to spend money on. 488 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,860 But that's probably the... 489 00:36:27,860 --> 00:36:32,360 We have a growing diversity of people funding Bitcoin, 490 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,200 which is great. 491 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,320 It's probably what we need. 492 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,220 but we probably 493 00:36:37,220 --> 00:36:37,820 we don't 494 00:36:37,820 --> 00:36:38,140 we don't 495 00:36:38,140 --> 00:36:39,480 while the organizations 496 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:40,020 are diversifying 497 00:36:40,020 --> 00:36:40,580 the decision making 498 00:36:40,580 --> 00:36:41,060 about where the money 499 00:36:41,060 --> 00:36:41,380 is going 500 00:36:41,380 --> 00:36:42,180 is nice and 501 00:36:42,180 --> 00:36:43,020 nice and decentralized 502 00:36:43,020 --> 00:36:45,540 it all 503 00:36:45,540 --> 00:36:46,380 it's still like 504 00:36:46,380 --> 00:36:47,560 originating from one 505 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,720 major donor 506 00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:51,500 well then of course 507 00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:51,980 a lot of the 508 00:36:51,980 --> 00:36:53,140 a lot of the developers 509 00:36:53,140 --> 00:36:55,700 given that they're 510 00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:56,460 working for less money 511 00:36:56,460 --> 00:36:56,860 are also 512 00:36:56,860 --> 00:36:57,380 sort of 513 00:36:57,380 --> 00:36:58,800 are donating their time 514 00:36:58,800 --> 00:36:59,480 and then there's a lot 515 00:36:59,480 --> 00:36:59,900 of people in Bitcoin 516 00:36:59,900 --> 00:37:00,920 to donate their time 517 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,940 without getting compensation 518 00:37:03,940 --> 00:37:04,740 and that's kind of 519 00:37:04,740 --> 00:37:10,640 hard to factor in and that's maybe the more decentralized aspect of that but anyway that's 520 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:18,900 the post cool um it's funny because i went on the built build on bitcoin podcast this week 521 00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:27,940 um is that a breeze podcast no no it's uh it's a podcast by lynn um alden no no no um 522 00:37:27,940 --> 00:37:32,340 another VC but she had she'd asked me my thoughts on like all the 523 00:37:32,340 --> 00:37:41,080 developer bitcoin stuff and funding and funding and all that stuff what's the one-liner oh I had 524 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:46,660 a I had a really spicy take on it and yeah you gotta tune in it's oh I knew you were gonna do 525 00:37:46,660 --> 00:37:52,320 that I was trying to get it's coming out sneak it out it's coming out on Monday but um she was 526 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,020 she was kind of shocked by my answer she was like really is that your I was like yeah that's my take 527 00:37:56,020 --> 00:38:02,700 on it uh-oh so you have to check it out it's coming out monday um build on bitcoin 528 00:38:02,700 --> 00:38:09,160 i was just being honest i'm always honest about this stuff and people don't want to hear honesty 529 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:14,080 these days so that's why they don't ask me if you did then you would want to hear well they don't 530 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,420 hear things they disagree with yeah that's probably more what it is and i don't think they 531 00:38:18,420 --> 00:38:22,900 mind honesty as long as that's what they agree with and i just shoot straight from the hip honestly 532 00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:26,220 anyways let's go to number one 533 00:38:26,220 --> 00:38:28,300 the number one top story of the week is I read 534 00:38:28,300 --> 00:38:30,220 Luke Dash Jr.'s hit piece 535 00:38:30,220 --> 00:38:31,080 this is from Udi 536 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,260 kept for 17 comments 3,362 537 00:38:34,260 --> 00:38:35,920 stats Keon what's this 538 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,240 yeah Udi's doing good 539 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:39,540 things in Bitcoin temporarily 540 00:38:39,540 --> 00:38:41,140 and 541 00:38:41,140 --> 00:38:43,320 helps clear up 542 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,280 or like adds 543 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,280 context I think important very important 544 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,100 context to the rage 545 00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:50,580 article 546 00:38:50,580 --> 00:38:56,280 and lays out why it's not actually a hard fork. 547 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,560 In one sense, you could consider it a hard fork, 548 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,900 but in the sense that matters, it's actually not a hard fork. 549 00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:04,620 And so that's maybe what's important, is it's not actually a hard fork. 550 00:39:04,820 --> 00:39:09,220 Luke was just, because he was talking to someone he thought he could trust in chat, 551 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,560 he mentioned hard fork, because in some sense you could consider it that way. 552 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:25,500 uh and then Udi also you know I think is critical of the like the journalism here where it's it's 553 00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:30,360 kind of unfair to maybe it seemed it seemed like it was written maybe with a little bit of a from 554 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:35,220 a from a biased perspective was not attempting to maintain the level of impartiality you would hope 555 00:39:35,220 --> 00:39:43,260 to see um and that's that's his uh one but and then he also kind of does a point by point I guess 556 00:39:43,260 --> 00:39:49,320 at one point there's uh there's a i think he says there's a misinterpretation of one of the 557 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:54,660 conversation or one point in the conversation where luke says that there are people who are 558 00:39:54,660 --> 00:40:02,460 writing letters advocating for illegal content um like and trying to get trying to get people to 559 00:40:02,460 --> 00:40:06,840 buy into illegal content i think there was a misinterpretation of luke saying that they are 560 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:13,860 talking to they have their lawyers talking to other miners because because uh ocean has this 561 00:40:13,860 --> 00:40:18,240 mining pool and they're they're trying to figure out how those guys are thinking about 562 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:23,780 uh spam and stuff this is where like jimmy was so right so we had jimmy on for bitcoin builders 563 00:40:23,780 --> 00:40:30,440 club um earlier this month uh at capital factory and we went through all this and he basically 564 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:35,420 i don't know if you remember remember jimmy was releasing takes right before the happening 565 00:40:35,420 --> 00:40:39,580 and he talked about this hard fork that was coming. 566 00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:42,680 He literally mentioned, if you go back and look through his Twitter, 567 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:47,560 he literally had, because the whole ordinal blow up was happening around that time, 568 00:40:47,780 --> 00:40:50,420 right before the happening with the mempool. 569 00:40:51,020 --> 00:40:55,200 And I remember his take about the hard fork that he predicted that was coming. 570 00:40:56,700 --> 00:41:00,320 And we, me and you, because I've been doing the DVD, 571 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:07,540 um we talked about a civil war that was happening that was going to happen with all this we predicted 572 00:41:07,540 --> 00:41:15,400 this too we predicted a civil war in bitcoin uh in 22 which is crazy um there's always a little 573 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:20,040 war on bitcoin anyways but anyway but but jimmy actually predicted this hard fork 574 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:26,960 and uh and right before the happening and uh it's just crazy that a lot of the stuff like 575 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,280 When you really start looking at it, there's a lot of OGs, 576 00:41:30,420 --> 00:41:33,460 but there's OGs that actually know what's really going on. 577 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,280 And once you start, you've been a big one for a long time, 578 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,760 you realize which are the ones you actually should be listening to. 579 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,660 And at least for me, like people like Udi and these other guys, 580 00:41:42,700 --> 00:41:43,820 I don't even listen to them anymore. 581 00:41:43,940 --> 00:41:46,260 They're just smoke. 582 00:41:46,820 --> 00:41:48,420 Well, you have to apply it. 583 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,360 Just smoke you shouldn't listen to. 584 00:41:50,660 --> 00:41:53,120 Like Jimmy is somebody that I really pay attention to. 585 00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:56,020 And so when he was talking about that hard fork at the time, 586 00:41:56,020 --> 00:41:58,400 I really was just like kind of confused. I was like, why is that? 587 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,920 And the more and more I pay attention to what Jimmy's saying, 588 00:42:00,980 --> 00:42:05,120 I realized that like he's actually been more right than wrong about this stuff. 589 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,920 And he kind of called a lot of this hard fork stuff. And yeah, 590 00:42:10,060 --> 00:42:15,140 at least for me, that's somebody I can look to at least for like, 591 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,020 what's the actual temperature in the room and where is it kind of heading and 592 00:42:19,020 --> 00:42:22,800 all that kind of stuff. So I don't know, at least that's how I feel about this. 593 00:42:22,860 --> 00:42:23,900 I don't know what's going on. 594 00:42:23,900 --> 00:42:26,180 I'm not technical enough to understand what's going on. 595 00:42:26,420 --> 00:42:28,300 So I'm going to wait and see. 596 00:42:29,460 --> 00:42:30,020 Yeah. 597 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,340 Anyway, I think this is a good take from Udi. 598 00:42:35,140 --> 00:42:39,960 And I think it does help put things in perspective. 599 00:42:40,420 --> 00:42:46,000 I think this is a sign that the people who are trying, 600 00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:49,220 I think probably think of it as themselves defending themselves against Luke, 601 00:42:49,220 --> 00:42:53,760 who's calling everyone a liar and a child pornographer on X. 602 00:42:53,900 --> 00:43:00,680 that maybe that I think this is a sign that they are martyring Luke. 603 00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:07,300 And this is probably going to backfire if you have Udi now, 604 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,980 who is maybe the most on the other side of this debate as Luke is. 605 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,380 Udi defending Luke now. 606 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,940 Firstly, Cyrus, you shouldn't listen to anything Udi says. 607 00:43:17,940 --> 00:43:20,040 That's just Kar telling you from experience. 608 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:27,300 um yeah who do you like to insert himself dude it's just this is a good take i'm surprised it 609 00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:31,360 even made number one it's just the dumbest thing ever it's like who's voting for this you have to 610 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,180 be capable you have to have the patience to like no you don't just don't listen to anything this 611 00:43:35,180 --> 00:43:39,560 guy says he's like beetlejuice it's just like you say his name three times and he shows up like it 612 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:44,440 it's the stupidest thing like it's like it's the dumbest thing i'm just telling you from experience 613 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:49,420 snackers like this is the guy you should not be listening to there's a couple people in bitcoin 614 00:43:49,420 --> 00:43:52,120 that you should be listening to, he's not one of them. 615 00:43:52,180 --> 00:43:53,500 I'm just telling you from experience. 616 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:54,960 Go ahead, get burned. 617 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:56,520 I'm just telling you. 618 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:57,940 I think that's great general advice. 619 00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,420 No, it's advice to follow. 620 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:00,300 I'm telling you from experience. 621 00:44:00,300 --> 00:44:01,660 Do other people get advice? 622 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:02,900 Go ahead, go ahead. 623 00:44:03,340 --> 00:44:05,900 I was just saying that I think that's great general advice 624 00:44:05,900 --> 00:44:07,460 if you don't have the patience and time. 625 00:44:07,460 --> 00:44:10,080 But there's a certain kind of person who I think benefits from, 626 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,160 or who has the time and attention to screen 627 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:19,120 what is a high-quality piece of signal 628 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:25,280 and what is not and that doesn't necessarily depend on it being it doesn't matter what the 629 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,780 origin is it only matters on like the quality of the content i mean if you're into shit coins and 630 00:44:29,780 --> 00:44:34,020 stuff then take his advice but if you're not that's really not a fair interpretation what i said but 631 00:44:34,020 --> 00:44:41,920 anyways that's all the top five stories we did it he only did it oh we got through it you got through 632 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:48,680 it yeah we only hate each other now i love you um we're gonna jump into ai bitcoin stuff this is uh 633 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:55,680 this week in ai uh from optimism so he was talking about artificial generic super larps do you know 634 00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:04,700 what a super larp is keon i would guess it's like a larp but super what that's not true um no it's 635 00:45:04,700 --> 00:45:11,500 not that it's uh open ai ramps up robotics work and race toward agi i don't know if you saw this 636 00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:17,820 but um yeah you did see it yeah i have a friend well i saw i saw the title i do not i that my 637 00:45:17,820 --> 00:45:23,600 this is the closest I get to covering a stuff but a friend of mine who's very into AI stuff was 638 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:29,820 telling me he thinks that AGI will really only happen when robots are given bodies so that they 639 00:45:29,820 --> 00:45:45,640 can basically uh gather gather data kind of like humans do and that oh like from different sensory inputs and you basically have a constant stream of data rather than having data rather than having it feed it fed in I actually think we like less than 18 months from that outside our door 640 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:46,380 Really? 641 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:47,800 No, I really think so. 642 00:45:48,260 --> 00:45:49,980 You think we're going to AGI in 18 months? 643 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:55,260 No, I think we're going to get like robotics with different sensory inputs like by South By next year. 644 00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:59,300 Like we'll see like a robot walking down with the next big startup. 645 00:45:59,540 --> 00:46:00,260 Will you get one? 646 00:46:00,660 --> 00:46:01,640 No, hell no. 647 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:07,820 i know it's like kind of like the series it's like kind of like alexa but like worse they could 648 00:46:07,820 --> 00:46:13,140 like kill you no it'll start off with like a cute little robot that like a you know bb-8 or 649 00:46:13,140 --> 00:46:18,980 something like a r2d2 that would just be dumb um that's how i want my robots just like stupid and 650 00:46:18,980 --> 00:46:24,160 like trash cans you know okay you want like a smart trash can yeah like basically a smart trash 651 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,180 can that's the come that's kind of that's kind of robots we want to build in plub lab just dumb 652 00:46:28,180 --> 00:46:33,580 trash cans that sounds about right that just go beep boop boop boop i don't know it'd be pretty 653 00:46:33,580 --> 00:46:38,420 cool to get to have a robot so long he's just like a dumb trash can that just sends lightning 654 00:46:38,420 --> 00:46:43,720 transactions you know that'd be cool yeah maybe oh yeah you get like charged so do you put too 655 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:47,200 much trash that's probably the that's probably the robots will build out of here the ones that 656 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:53,680 are just like just dumb robots um the other one i wanted to bring up was uh this or hang on let 657 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:54,120 Let me go back. 658 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,000 Was this one. 659 00:46:56,060 --> 00:46:59,520 Eleven Labs has launched Studio 3.0, a video clip audio editor. 660 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,020 So, dude, remember I was telling you how this is just getting more advanced? 661 00:47:02,660 --> 00:47:04,760 So, they released this really cool. 662 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,140 Eleven Labs proudly introduces Studio 3.0. 663 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:08,780 This thing here. 664 00:47:08,780 --> 00:47:09,480 It's called. 665 00:47:09,740 --> 00:47:10,480 You can now harness. 666 00:47:10,660 --> 00:47:13,940 You can now start really video editing inside the browser. 667 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,520 Now with full video. 668 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:16,840 It's really, really cool. 669 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:17,980 Do they make a video? 670 00:47:18,460 --> 00:47:18,740 Sure. 671 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,160 But you can already do this in Riverside. 672 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,220 but this goes to another extreme. 673 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:27,780 So this is where I was telling you 674 00:47:27,780 --> 00:47:29,860 I was like I'm really bullish on this kind of stuff. 675 00:47:31,300 --> 00:47:33,480 It sounds really great. 676 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:33,780 Yeah. 677 00:47:35,260 --> 00:47:36,360 This is really cool. 678 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:36,660 I saw. 679 00:47:37,940 --> 00:47:38,200 Anyway. 680 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,100 But you can check out the demo. 681 00:47:40,260 --> 00:47:42,280 I want to play with this this weekend at some point. 682 00:47:42,820 --> 00:47:44,040 I'm always into this kind of stuff 683 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:44,980 because it's really cool. 684 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:46,680 But they even have an API too. 685 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:51,040 So if anybody's building some cool tools 686 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:57,160 you can even import it to uh to use it which is really cool i thought that'd be really interesting 687 00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:03,300 yeah they're kind of leading the way with audio right is that the same company the one that we 688 00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:08,820 keep talking about the the other one there's there's several of them now it's hard to keep 689 00:48:08,820 --> 00:48:13,220 track of them there's so much going on but i know 11 labs was big they were like one of the 690 00:48:13,220 --> 00:48:17,000 i would see them referenced a lot in audio things i think a lot of people were 691 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:23,580 like make they were writing books writing books in chat gbt i don't mean the scare quotes are maybe 692 00:48:23,580 --> 00:48:28,440 wrong uh they were writing books and then they were in any way that they would write them and 693 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:35,680 then they would have them um like read by 11 labs is my understanding yeah i was thinking about 694 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:41,360 cascader with it when i saw this i was like damn this would be cool to see in cascader anyways um 695 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,980 The other one was, I want to bring up was this one. 696 00:48:44,940 --> 00:48:48,360 Google's top AI scientist's most needed skill will be learning how to learn. 697 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,040 I feel like you've said this multiple times whenever we talk about AI. 698 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:56,660 I was like, these Gen Zers are probably not going to be able to know how to learn. 699 00:48:57,620 --> 00:48:59,480 And the guy said the exact same thing. 700 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:00,480 I'm going to watch this. 701 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:02,420 Where is it at? 702 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,000 I had a video earlier, I thought. 703 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,460 There's a video here somewhere. 704 00:49:06,460 --> 00:49:15,200 hmm anyway um a leading google scientist and recent nobel laureate has highlighted learning 705 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,860 how to learn is a paramount skill for future generations um just given how artificial 706 00:49:19,860 --> 00:49:24,660 intelligence has already impacted um he said it's very hard to predict the future like 10 years from 707 00:49:24,660 --> 00:49:30,060 now in a normal cases it's even harder today given how fast ai is changing even week by week 708 00:49:30,060 --> 00:49:33,560 the only thing you can say for certain is that huge change is coming 709 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:39,120 because one thing we'll know for sure is you're going to have to continuously learn throughout 710 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:45,120 your career yeah what do you think about that Q oh that's definitely fair yeah I think you know 711 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:50,140 the other side of this is I know there are some people who's I think I think some people's capacity 712 00:49:50,140 --> 00:49:57,540 to change a lot is lower than other people's and I think this technology will not serve them very 713 00:49:57,540 --> 00:50:01,560 like the rapid change that they're describing will be harder for them to deal with and I 714 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,780 And that's some of the like some of the AR, AI doomers that I know. 715 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,280 That's one thing they talk about a lot. 716 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:12,660 It's like, OK, yeah, you're saying that when all these AIs come, we'll just like retrain everyone to do something else. 717 00:50:12,660 --> 00:50:14,900 And they're like, there are some people who won't be able to do that. 718 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:15,720 And I think that's fair. 719 00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:23,240 It's probably like 50 percent of people are too like kind of conservative in self where they have trouble changing. 720 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,000 I think that is pretty, pretty sketch. 721 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:39,860 And I do think it's very possible that one take to have on AI is like, this is like every other technology and it's going to do the exact same thing where it just makes things better and we all panic about it before. 722 00:50:40,420 --> 00:50:49,820 But there will be a black swan type of technology that really does change everything and really does make everything work. 723 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,060 There is a potential for that in the possibility space. 724 00:50:53,060 --> 00:50:57,480 And AI seems like a good candidate for being that. 725 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:05,920 It does suggest there is going to be more change than most other technologies should it improve at the rate people expect it to improve. 726 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:08,140 Yeah, I agree. 727 00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:12,000 I think we've had our big kind of like internet moment for AI. 728 00:51:12,300 --> 00:51:15,320 We haven't had the like iPhone moment yet. 729 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:21,780 but maybe with all the um you know well maybe the robots or maybe the wearable stuff and the 730 00:51:21,780 --> 00:51:26,880 you know all the spatial stuff will kind of maybe that'll be the when the iphone moment comes 731 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:31,960 and then that'll what you're talking about is when everything will change but we'll see 732 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:38,000 um interesting stuff though yeah i love hearing about and talking about all this stuff it's just 733 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:46,800 fascinating the peanut gallery says that we are going to become electricians 734 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:52,480 there's no peanut gallery employee i don't even know is peanut gallery a bad word yeah 735 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:57,280 that's a bad thing oh it's a bad thing i didn't know okay the state gallery says 736 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,200 says that everyone's going to be an electrician fixing data centers because like that's going to 737 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:11,220 to be the only thing that's left is we're going to that makes sense okay whoa uh we're gonna jump 738 00:52:11,220 --> 00:52:17,540 into wumble's picks send your kids to college we're gonna jump into wumble's picks so wumble's 739 00:52:17,540 --> 00:52:23,660 picks is uh sats on lightning during a soft hard fork man he just really going for it yeah uh what 740 00:52:23,660 --> 00:52:29,440 is this about it's picking well uh so you let's say you and i established a lightning channel 741 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:36,000 and then there's a hard fork on bitcoin oh good one wumble's pick yeah well what happens because 742 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:41,180 lightning operates under the assumption that we are basically looking at the same blockchain 743 00:52:41,180 --> 00:52:46,760 well that's all off or we're just a multi-sig though it's a multi-sig so right yeah it's a 744 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:52,900 multi-sig on but then there's a hard fork and that doesn't affect it well what happens on let's say 745 00:52:52,900 --> 00:52:57,500 you start running the hard fork and i don't well what happens now well who created the 746 00:52:57,500 --> 00:53:02,160 well it's it's about who who opened the channel to the other person right that's how that works 747 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:07,680 no well the hard fork uh will carry the history so the hard fork will still have the history 748 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:17,080 where so the stake the stake gallery says that you have two lightning channels now one on one 749 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:22,340 on the bad network or one on the yeah the network that one person wants in the network the other one 750 00:53:22,340 --> 00:53:26,900 doesn't want and that is kind of what you end up having but i think in practice it's more 751 00:53:26,900 --> 00:53:32,260 complicated there's a great uh this was asked a few years ago on the bitcoin stack exchange 752 00:53:34,260 --> 00:53:40,500 yeah and we get a couple of answers where people uh describe what we're likely to kind of see in 753 00:53:40,500 --> 00:53:47,700 practice but um in short it you know like in anticipation of the hard fork most people would 754 00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:52,180 probably if they're if they're afraid of something bad happening they would probably close their 755 00:53:52,180 --> 00:53:57,800 channels. And then even the case where one person is running one hard fork and the other one is 756 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:02,140 running maybe the original Bitcoin classic, let's say. 757 00:54:03,580 --> 00:54:08,500 Gross. I just almost threw up in my mouth. Gosh, I haven't heard that in a long time. 758 00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:16,440 And then they're running that one. What happens during hard forks usually is they share mempools 759 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:29,140 And they end up kind of, at least for transactions that are replayable on each other's networks, meaning they are compatible, they are consensus compatible on each other's networks. 760 00:54:29,140 --> 00:54:32,940 They end up kind of sharing those transactions because they kind of bleed over on the peer-to-peer network. 761 00:54:33,020 --> 00:54:40,140 And I think you also have people who assume the role of sort of relaying these kind of cross-compatible transactions. 762 00:54:40,140 --> 00:54:44,860 transaction so that's what we've seen in the past when people didn't kind of expect it is a lot of 763 00:54:44,860 --> 00:54:49,660 bleed into each other's memples and hard forks so that's one thing they kind of list and so you would 764 00:54:49,660 --> 00:54:53,740 likely see if someone tried to someone's running the other fork and they try to force close you on 765 00:54:53,740 --> 00:54:58,060 that fork you would likely see that happen and be able to respond to it at least on the chain 766 00:54:58,700 --> 00:55:07,180 you know at least uh such that on the chain that you care about you were able to um step in and um 767 00:55:07,180 --> 00:55:08,960 you know, 768 00:55:08,980 --> 00:55:09,160 cheat, 769 00:55:09,380 --> 00:55:09,780 basically, 770 00:55:09,980 --> 00:55:11,240 what do they call it? 771 00:55:12,820 --> 00:55:13,780 It's not revocating. 772 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:15,000 It's what? 773 00:55:15,100 --> 00:55:15,360 Justice. 774 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:15,920 There you go. 775 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:16,880 The justice transaction. 776 00:55:16,980 --> 00:55:20,140 You would be able to submit the justice transaction and do justice. 777 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:23,220 And then, 778 00:55:23,780 --> 00:55:24,040 yeah. 779 00:55:24,340 --> 00:55:25,520 So it's actually not, 780 00:55:25,620 --> 00:55:27,560 it's not as bad as you'd think. 781 00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:29,180 It's maybe messy. 782 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,780 I think there are situations, 783 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,240 depending on what takes place in the fork, 784 00:55:35,140 --> 00:55:36,320 it might be, 785 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:37,520 it might be quite bad. 786 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,300 But it's not as bad as I thought 787 00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:44,300 going in and looking at this deeper. 788 00:55:44,860 --> 00:55:46,320 It's actually... 789 00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:57,520 Yeah, well, that's kind of my point. 790 00:55:57,620 --> 00:56:00,340 That would end up in a mempool, 791 00:56:00,700 --> 00:56:02,600 and those mempools bleed into each other 792 00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:03,560 during a hard fork. 793 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:04,820 Because it's compatible. 794 00:56:04,820 --> 00:56:08,260 it's likely replayable on either chain. So it's actually a consensus valid. 795 00:56:16,260 --> 00:56:21,540 Yeah. I think there might be a scenario where someone on that shitcoin network submits directly 796 00:56:21,540 --> 00:56:26,100 to a miner and it gets mined and you never see it because it never enters a mempool. 797 00:56:26,100 --> 00:56:29,720 or yeah for whatever reason 798 00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:34,320 this is a hypothetical 799 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,340 for it to just 800 00:56:36,340 --> 00:56:37,880 so what do you do 801 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,920 does everybody close their lightning channels before a hard fork 802 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:40,540 is what you're saying 803 00:56:40,540 --> 00:56:42,540 that's one way that you can 804 00:56:42,540 --> 00:56:45,480 if you want to avoid any trickiness 805 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,920 during a hard fork that could possibly arise 806 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:48,680 in a lightning channel 807 00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,280 look at the problems we already have 808 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,840 so 809 00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:53,640 so 810 00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:58,660 So State Gallery, are we closing our lighting channels before Hard Fork? 811 00:56:58,680 --> 00:56:59,320 Is that what we're doing? 812 00:56:59,320 --> 00:56:59,760 No. 813 00:57:01,300 --> 00:57:06,260 No, but I'm saying would the plebs close their Hard Fork? 814 00:57:07,580 --> 00:57:08,640 Okay, there you go. 815 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,820 I opened more and I arbitrage. 816 00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:14,400 Okay. 817 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:20,560 The State Gallery, how they came to earn the term State Gallery is what happens 818 00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,820 during one of these scenarios is they open other channels 819 00:57:22,820 --> 00:57:28,660 and then they do force closures and cash out the coins 820 00:57:28,660 --> 00:57:29,960 is what they say on the other chain. 821 00:57:30,980 --> 00:57:31,680 Oh, interesting. 822 00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,180 But I mean, if you really were paranoid about this kind of thing, 823 00:57:34,220 --> 00:57:38,360 you could run the fork and monitor the fork for any weirdness. 824 00:57:39,220 --> 00:57:40,720 This could be really interesting. 825 00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,500 Yeah, but you likely don't care about the coins on the fork anyway. 826 00:57:45,500 --> 00:57:47,460 Or their dividends, Keon. 827 00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,400 You didn't get a piece of the Bcash hard fork? 828 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:51,460 when that happened? 829 00:57:51,580 --> 00:57:52,560 Yeah, you want a little dividend. 830 00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:53,480 That's a nice dividend. 831 00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:54,560 Yeah. 832 00:57:55,900 --> 00:57:57,420 That got turned into Bitcoin, baby. 833 00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,460 That got turned into Bitcoin, baby. 834 00:58:01,980 --> 00:58:02,340 Anyways. 835 00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:07,540 Yeah, so it's kind of complicated. 836 00:58:07,780 --> 00:58:11,860 I think there are a variety of ways that it can go, 837 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,080 but in general, it's not as bad as I thought it was. 838 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:16,700 Yeah, I don't know. 839 00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:18,160 We'll see. 840 00:58:18,900 --> 00:58:20,420 There's a great post on Stack Exchange. 841 00:58:20,420 --> 00:58:22,120 Merch answers. 842 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:23,760 Wumble's picks. 843 00:58:23,900 --> 00:58:24,640 I would check that out. 844 00:58:24,660 --> 00:58:25,200 I would just say, 845 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:25,600 Snackers, 846 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:26,940 we'll cross that bridge when we get there. 847 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:29,060 Wait, 848 00:58:29,140 --> 00:58:29,260 see. 849 00:58:30,140 --> 00:58:30,620 But Keon, 850 00:58:30,660 --> 00:58:31,100 what do you say? 851 00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:32,540 Get prepared? 852 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:34,600 I would say it's, 853 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,460 it's worth thinking about things, 854 00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,820 even if there's no action to take. 855 00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:39,580 There you go. 856 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:39,940 Yeah. 857 00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:41,340 That's Keon's advice. 858 00:58:42,020 --> 00:58:42,160 Oh, 859 00:58:42,220 --> 00:58:42,600 what'd you say? 860 00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:44,520 Oh, 861 00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:45,100 there you go. 862 00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,960 State Gallery says it's propaganda from DeepCore. 863 00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:48,780 We have the DeepState. 864 00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:49,760 We also have DeepCore. 865 00:58:50,420 --> 00:58:57,680 is that a thing now uh is that i just made that up i was oh wow on the spot look at you 866 00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:02,700 yeah shooting from the hip now uh no i have i rubbed off on you too much you're shooting from 867 00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:07,220 the hip oh you're gonna take credit for deep core i know i'm just saying you never shoot from the hip 868 00:59:07,220 --> 00:59:16,000 are you on a vpn if you're not on a vpn uh yeah gotta get off this anyways um 869 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,300 so let's go the 870 00:59:18,300 --> 00:59:20,600 that was Wumble's picks we're going to go 871 00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:21,160 into 872 00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,340 you're shaking the table 873 00:59:23,340 --> 00:59:26,540 we're going to jump 874 00:59:26,540 --> 00:59:27,840 into my picks 875 00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,340 I wanted to share this one this is a 876 00:59:30,340 --> 00:59:31,080 Nirvana 877 00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,620 video hopefully we don't get pulled 878 00:59:34,620 --> 00:59:36,680 but this is a Nirvana video 879 00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,260 that Nakamoto Adventures 880 00:59:38,260 --> 00:59:39,180 which originally 881 00:59:39,180 --> 00:59:40,780 not Tamales 882 00:59:40,780 --> 00:59:42,200 0x Midcorner shared 883 00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,640 did you know they played in 884 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,040 Austin? Yeah, they played in Austin down the street 885 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,900 here. Yeah, I didn't know that. I didn't know that either. 886 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:49,840 They played at the Paramount. 887 00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:51,860 But they... 888 00:59:51,860 --> 00:59:54,900 Yeah, well, I didn't know they played 889 00:59:54,900 --> 00:59:55,200 there. 890 00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,780 I watched this earlier 891 00:59:58,780 --> 01:00:00,940 this week. It was like three days ago or four days ago. 892 01:00:01,660 --> 01:00:02,640 And they played there. 893 01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,040 I've never been in it, 894 01:00:05,220 --> 01:00:07,060 actually. I've only been in it one time. 895 01:00:07,940 --> 01:00:08,960 Looks like a great theater. 896 01:00:09,620 --> 01:00:10,020 But yeah, 897 01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,700 when he shared that, I was like, that's funny 898 01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:13,960 because I literally watched it. 899 01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,840 it was a good concert 900 01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,800 I just wanted to share it too because I thought it was 901 01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,280 really cool 902 01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,900 we don't talk about music too much on the show 903 01:00:22,900 --> 01:00:24,720 but that 904 01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,760 YouTube channel Art Concert I think it's 905 01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:28,960 called they have a lot of really cool 906 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,240 they do a good job 907 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:31,780 they do a really good job curating 908 01:00:31,780 --> 01:00:34,200 songs 909 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,460 did they remaster it 910 01:00:36,460 --> 01:00:38,600 I don't know why 911 01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:40,520 this didn't get released as a DVD 912 01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:41,120 or something 913 01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,320 I didn't know why this didn't get released 914 01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:48,840 like through nirvana itself like this should have been like a because it's like an hour than the 915 01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:57,400 hole in his head obstructing i know come on too soon no it's just like not too too far poor taste 916 01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:05,000 um so anyway it was really good uh they have some really cool scenes yeah there's this part where i 917 01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:10,440 think he talks about at the end where he just like destroys yeah he destroys his guitar i want to play 918 01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:17,160 guitar just like smash dude that's the best part look look look look curts just like it's like 919 01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:21,720 doing it dude i wonder if guitar makers are like offended maybe because they probably get richer but 920 01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,880 no because you would get those for free you know a lot of that stuff is just for free and i'd be 921 01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:31,480 offended yeah and then sometimes sometimes it's just like like when i used to play music like my 922 01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,960 my guitarist knew he was going to get a new guitar so he was just like hey i'm going to break it this 923 01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:42,140 one you know same thing with the drummer he's like yeah I'm gonna get my drum yeah I'm gonna 924 01:01:42,140 --> 01:01:47,600 do it yeah you see that when you don't know if that belongs to the venue itself because sometimes 925 01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:52,220 the venues were are gonna charge you for breaking their thing what a great time if they probably 926 01:01:52,220 --> 01:01:57,320 never got invited again though do a bunch of heroin and then like destroy stuff well according 927 01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,500 to Dave Grohl there was like the people that did drugs in that group and then there were people that 928 01:02:00,500 --> 01:02:05,700 did it so you don't know yeah i imagine most of them anyways it's probably good diverse 929 01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:14,040 oh man that's probably worth a lot of money anyways thought that was cool look at you 930 01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:19,060 worth more now oh man he hit himself anyway i started to share that uh the other one was i 931 01:02:19,060 --> 01:02:24,540 want to share our startup day you could tell this got shared by my favorite bitcoin news outlet 932 01:02:24,540 --> 01:02:30,240 bitcoin news the only place to get high signal uh in bitcoin this is the real front page of 933 01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:34,420 that car it's gonna start i know i'm just saying like bitcoin news like they don't pick size they're 934 01:02:34,420 --> 01:02:39,300 not sharing slander things they're just reporting news like what they're supposed to be doing 935 01:02:39,300 --> 01:02:45,860 like turns out that's actually a net benefit it's weird turns out when you're just professional 936 01:02:45,860 --> 01:02:53,660 um it's actually good for business anyways so they uh they shared our our pr for um 937 01:02:53,660 --> 01:03:00,000 for the yucatan so that's coming up in 12 days we have a lot of really cool stuff happening 938 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:04,000 a lot of speakers and uh yeah i just want to share with the stackers we're really proud 939 01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:10,120 of what we've been able to do sounds fun yeah it's gonna be really a lot of fun um i was talking 940 01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:15,260 to francisco about it today and uh yeah we're excited dude it's gonna be a blast if there's 941 01:03:15,260 --> 01:03:19,600 anybody in anybody in the area they should definitely um head over a lot of us from 942 01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:24,400 plavlob are heading over there and then um it's gonna be a blast i'm excited just wanted to share 943 01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:29,300 that and then the other one i wanted to share was uh the early days episode we dropped this on the 944 01:03:29,300 --> 01:03:36,300 builder territory like uh two days before i think or maybe the night before so this is a ted so ted 945 01:03:36,300 --> 01:03:41,960 actually came into club lab like a year and a half ago didn't know how to code didn't know how to do 946 01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:49,960 anything he was just really good at um what would you say his skill sets were um i would say he's 947 01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:55,340 good at like i think he's a pretty good like a pretty good systems thinker i would say he was 948 01:03:55,340 --> 01:04:01,360 doing this founder he was doing sales yeah he'd come from uh like an aeronautical background um 949 01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:06,620 this is i think what he studied and so deep thinker yeah i think like very very big corner 950 01:04:06,620 --> 01:04:14,060 yeah i think you know very multifaceted way more based now quite based he's also gone from like 951 01:04:14,060 --> 01:04:20,260 kind of nerdy ted to like sexy ted super bearded now yeah he's got a beard he's got he's got a 952 01:04:20,260 --> 01:04:25,320 bachelor pad now definitely bachelor pad and a high rise he's ready single ladies if you're 953 01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:29,600 out there oh yeah he's got he's timed he had probably as a spreadsheet for when he was planning 954 01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:36,360 and it's like coming out as a bachelor anyways uh overall we're all hyping up to anyway so he's uh 955 01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:41,480 he's doing feed filter ai which is this really cool ai company and he has a really cool plan and 956 01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:48,680 wanted to share this uh pod that we recorded with him but uh this is here where he talks about it 957 01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:53,120 and we just go through it or was that though we recorded this like two months ago but i wanted a 958 01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:57,200 time they're released because he's also going to be almost like pre-sexy tech yeah he's also going 959 01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:02,820 to be um doing an announcement at startup day in the yukata so should be good if you're if you're 960 01:05:02,820 --> 01:05:09,500 interested check it out really cool stuff on ai um yeah and then uh i think that's all for me you 961 01:05:09,500 --> 01:05:16,840 didn't have any posts because why again oh because uh i do one boss picks and one boss picks i need 962 01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:24,600 to like readjust my time to pick out the best things i mean there are things that i was were 963 01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:30,200 drawn to this week but yeah i did not i did not select them for the pod i wanted to share 964 01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:36,940 ek's post because i thought this was in the top five turns out it wasn't but ek is gonna be 965 01:05:36,940 --> 01:05:45,840 speaking at bitcoin plus plus woo doggy ek you made it um did you know this kia uh i did know 966 01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:50,720 though ck has been telling me about it for a while and he's super excited to give him some inside 967 01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:54,200 baseball for stuff he wasn't telling him what is he going to be speaking about do you know he's 968 01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:58,580 going to be talking about the difficulties of making a non-custodial lightning app oh i thought 969 01:05:58,580 --> 01:06:01,580 he was just gonna be talking about germany and about all the cool stuff that's what would he 970 01:06:01,580 --> 01:06:07,940 yeah what like schnetzl no i'm kidding uh so everybody was trying to get him to wear your 971 01:06:07,940 --> 01:06:12,640 cowboy hat but uh he's probably too shy to do that oh he would probably wear it oh he would 972 01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:13,800 How am I going to get it to him, though? 973 01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:14,780 Is he going to wear his mask? 974 01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:16,760 I am not interested. 975 01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,760 You could fold that in an envelope. 976 01:06:19,060 --> 01:06:19,500 You could probably find it. 977 01:06:19,500 --> 01:06:20,260 I don't think it's that. 978 01:06:20,580 --> 01:06:22,820 When they sent it to me, it was not folded too much. 979 01:06:22,820 --> 01:06:24,520 Yeah, maybe Playboy can send it to him. 980 01:06:24,580 --> 01:06:24,820 I don't know. 981 01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,080 Anyway, so he's working on his presentation. 982 01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:30,380 And yeah, there you go. 983 01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:31,540 That's his mask he's going to be wearing. 984 01:06:31,620 --> 01:06:33,400 So if you see him in that mask. 985 01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,300 Yeah, it's a costume conference. 986 01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,340 And he's going dressed as Luke Jasher. 987 01:06:38,340 --> 01:06:38,660 Yeah. 988 01:06:38,660 --> 01:06:43,200 Yeah, so it's a Bitcoin Plus Plus Stacker News edition, right? 989 01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:45,560 Nope. 990 01:06:45,900 --> 01:06:47,420 It's a Lightning edition. 991 01:06:47,540 --> 01:06:48,260 Lightning edition. 992 01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:49,640 EK edition. 993 01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:51,000 Back to Lightning stuff. 994 01:06:52,100 --> 01:06:53,400 But yeah, check out EK. 995 01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,100 He's going to be at Bitcoin Plus Plus this year. 996 01:06:55,500 --> 01:06:58,820 And then the other one I want to share was this one. 997 01:06:58,940 --> 01:06:59,740 EK is flying. 998 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:00,680 What? 999 01:07:00,820 --> 01:07:01,560 Did you know this? 1000 01:07:02,420 --> 01:07:03,300 I did know that. 1001 01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:04,980 So the whole time I've been hanging out with EK, 1002 01:07:04,980 --> 01:07:06,340 we hung out so many times. 1003 01:07:06,740 --> 01:07:08,220 He never once said he wanted to fly. 1004 01:07:08,660 --> 01:07:09,620 Never once told me. 1005 01:07:09,740 --> 01:07:10,500 He never brought it up. 1006 01:07:10,900 --> 01:07:11,540 Not once. 1007 01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:12,660 Oh. 1008 01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:13,680 Yeah, I was shocked. 1009 01:07:14,380 --> 01:07:18,240 But he talked about he signed up for flight school. 1010 01:07:18,460 --> 01:07:18,720 Yep. 1011 01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,500 Turns out he wants to fly a plane. 1012 01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:21,560 What do you think about this? 1013 01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:22,840 I think that's pretty awesome. 1014 01:07:23,180 --> 01:07:23,440 Yeah. 1015 01:07:23,540 --> 01:07:24,440 He was telling me about it. 1016 01:07:24,500 --> 01:07:25,560 I think, you know, it's not. 1017 01:07:25,780 --> 01:07:27,300 This could be good for us. 1018 01:07:27,980 --> 01:07:28,400 Oh, it's true. 1019 01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:32,400 We could have a little private, like, jet situation. 1020 01:07:33,100 --> 01:07:35,780 I mean, Sackerdews could be a flight school at some point. 1021 01:07:35,860 --> 01:07:37,840 Or it could have its own flight company. 1022 01:07:38,660 --> 01:07:43,640 yeah what do you call it like airline stacker news airlines it's like in high school when your 1023 01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:48,020 friend gets a car and like you don't have a car yet and you're just you bum rise we're gonna be 1024 01:07:48,020 --> 01:07:54,100 like that with ek i mean ek could technically like if shit hits the fan we could all just go to ek's 1025 01:07:54,100 --> 01:08:00,340 house and he could say ek we need to load up the plane let's go yeah let's go ek like ek up i'm 1026 01:08:00,340 --> 01:08:05,200 moving out of my apartment yeah but he got all his gear look at him he got all his gear and uh 1027 01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:10,220 yeah super bullish i i was shocked that he wanted to fly he never we never talked about flying at 1028 01:08:10,220 --> 01:08:18,260 all i was shocked did he ever talk about flying with you yep oh he did interesting yeah maybe i 1029 01:08:18,260 --> 01:08:22,820 just talked too much and i never let him talk he mentioned it i think a few years ago to me and 1030 01:08:22,820 --> 01:08:34,800 then uh i didn really take it super seriously i thought he was just like vaguely interested and then when he was here actually in Austin he was telling me about him wanting to do that as like a hobby type of thing 1031 01:08:34,900 --> 01:08:36,340 And I was like, oh, really? 1032 01:08:36,620 --> 01:08:37,680 Do you think it's hard flying a plane? 1033 01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:40,940 I would guess it's probably more complicated 1034 01:08:40,940 --> 01:08:41,900 than driving a car. 1035 01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,400 Do you think it's harder than some of these, 1036 01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:46,460 like a tractor? 1037 01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,180 Harder than a tractor for sure. 1038 01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:50,800 I think it's more dangerous, you know? 1039 01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:51,640 You think so? 1040 01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:53,540 Yeah, because like you aren't on the ground. 1041 01:08:53,540 --> 01:08:55,560 What if you're throwing a parachute and always jump out? 1042 01:08:55,860 --> 01:08:58,780 You're like fighting your natural state when you're in a plane. 1043 01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:01,040 You think it's harder than a ship? 1044 01:09:02,580 --> 01:09:04,060 Yeah, I would say it's harder than a ship. 1045 01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:05,780 I've been on a lot of ships. 1046 01:09:05,780 --> 01:09:06,380 What about space travel? 1047 01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:07,540 You think it's harder than space travel? 1048 01:09:09,460 --> 01:09:10,680 I would say no. 1049 01:09:10,980 --> 01:09:12,440 I would say space travel. 1050 01:09:12,660 --> 01:09:13,900 It depends on what you mean by hard, but yeah. 1051 01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,120 The more inhospitable the environment, the more dangerous it is. 1052 01:09:17,140 --> 01:09:17,780 So space travel is harder? 1053 01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:18,420 It's like scuba. 1054 01:09:19,180 --> 01:09:21,280 Oh, it's harder than diving in the ocean? 1055 01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:22,900 I would say those are probably comparable. 1056 01:09:22,900 --> 01:09:28,400 oh submarine-ish stuff and then yeah if you're like really under the water that's a good point 1057 01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:33,300 sketch really high in the air sketch you know you kind of just want if you want to be safe you want 1058 01:09:33,300 --> 01:09:37,000 to be on the ground for the most part i don't know if i would get in a plane with ek unless it was 1059 01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:42,800 like end of the world type of scenario oh why i don't know would you get in what if ted was a 1060 01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:48,740 flu i don't think if anybody i knew that was it's just about but you know there's like you've been 1061 01:09:48,740 --> 01:09:54,580 on planes like commercial planes if i knew those guys those guys yeah i would probably terrible 1062 01:09:54,580 --> 01:10:03,120 that's crazy right oh man it's so funny um but anyways i thought that was i thought that was 1063 01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:11,320 cool i'm so happy for him uh the uh the other one was uh you guys had a sn release c-link wallet 1064 01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,220 But yeah, what's going on here? 1065 01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:16,160 This is a shock nets, like alternative to NW. 1066 01:10:16,300 --> 01:10:17,700 Shock, shock, shock, shock net. 1067 01:10:18,020 --> 01:10:18,260 Yeah. 1068 01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,720 He also has a announcement at startup day, by the way. 1069 01:10:22,100 --> 01:10:22,980 Oh, yeah. 1070 01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:23,640 I didn't know shock. 1071 01:10:23,700 --> 01:10:24,280 I was going on. 1072 01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:24,920 Yeah. 1073 01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:27,480 Let's go, baby. 1074 01:10:28,440 --> 01:10:29,200 Habla espanol. 1075 01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:30,320 Habla espanol. 1076 01:10:30,460 --> 01:10:30,860 He does. 1077 01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:32,120 Oh, I didn't know that. 1078 01:10:32,140 --> 01:10:33,540 Getting all the real ones there. 1079 01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:35,460 So what are you? 1080 01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:36,780 What's here? 1081 01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:37,300 Yeah. 1082 01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:40,000 So this is like, you can kind of think of ceiling 1083 01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:47,920 is like an alternative to nwc it uses it uses no stir still is my understanding but it does not it 1084 01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:55,840 is i think a a better you a better ux than i think nwc has like kind of this crazy wild string with a 1085 01:10:55,840 --> 01:11:01,760 bunch of characters and uh ceiling has i would say you know it's kind of like a no stir profile link 1086 01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:08,640 like when you like you're a node id or something like that is is what it is um i think there's a 1087 01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:15,060 number of other uh features he's added and you know places where he's he thought nwc had deficiencies 1088 01:11:15,060 --> 01:11:22,440 and improved upon them um yeah and we ek that's cool managed to add that to our list of growing 1089 01:11:22,440 --> 01:11:28,240 wallets and that's that's awesome basically the little release we had yeah we're uh our guy was 1090 01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,980 working with him on some of the pleb tv stuff we still need to finish a lot of that stuff but 1091 01:11:31,980 --> 01:11:37,800 But yeah, it's from what Darren was telling me, 1092 01:11:37,860 --> 01:11:42,000 it's really easy working with Justin and his team, 1093 01:11:42,740 --> 01:11:43,800 implementing things. 1094 01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:48,420 So super bullish on him and what he's got building over there. 1095 01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,120 He's one of those guys, believe it or not, 1096 01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:51,480 he says a lot of spicy things, 1097 01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:55,780 but when it comes down to actually building and working with him and stuff, 1098 01:11:55,860 --> 01:11:58,900 like on the business side of things, super easy to work with, 1099 01:11:58,900 --> 01:12:03,440 super easy to build a relationship with as far as like on the business stuff this is where i think 1100 01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:07,740 i think a lot of people don't recognize this stuff they take a lot of i would just say from 1101 01:12:07,740 --> 01:12:12,460 my own experience like they take a lot of stuff like um the heart like the hardcore bitcoiners 1102 01:12:12,460 --> 01:12:17,100 the one that are like a little bit more spicier and then like actually tell the truth they may be 1103 01:12:17,100 --> 01:12:23,320 that way like um you know in public but when it comes to actually working with them on the business 1104 01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:26,920 side of things those are the teddy bears yeah they're teddy bears and those are the people 1105 01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:28,440 that actually you do want to work with. 1106 01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,880 And then the ones who are like out there 1107 01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:32,280 saying salacious things, 1108 01:12:32,460 --> 01:12:35,280 and those end up turning out to be like the, 1109 01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:37,820 at least from my experience. 1110 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,320 But anyway, Justin's always a pleasure to work with. 1111 01:12:41,300 --> 01:12:42,160 Really cool stuff. 1112 01:12:43,100 --> 01:12:45,360 And then we got the Stacker News zine. 1113 01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:47,140 What's this? 1114 01:12:48,020 --> 01:12:50,660 Yeah, so this is another week of the zine. 1115 01:12:50,940 --> 01:12:52,700 This is like an ancient relic. 1116 01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:54,180 Oh, yeah. 1117 01:12:54,180 --> 01:13:00,900 keys uh apparently plug poet made a stacker news stamp she has like a stamp making kit and she made 1118 01:13:00,900 --> 01:13:06,960 a stacker news stamp by hand carved it out wow it out yeah that's it is that with linoleum 1119 01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:12,560 linoleum yeah how did she make the stamp oh i think it's just like a rubber like carvable rubber 1120 01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:17,400 she has like a rubber carving kit and she can make it oh cool yeah so that's what she did and 1121 01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:21,980 uh that's issue 300 i think we probably send that one to blockchain boo give them that keep your 1122 01:13:21,980 --> 01:13:23,000 Drama on X. 1123 01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:24,400 That's awesome. 1124 01:13:26,860 --> 01:13:27,540 SNIRL1 1125 01:13:27,540 --> 01:13:28,900 at Tab Comp 7. 1126 01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:29,940 Let's have it go. 1127 01:13:30,660 --> 01:13:32,680 Your mother was a hamster and your father 1128 01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:33,960 smelt of... 1129 01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:35,980 Is that a quote or something? 1130 01:13:37,980 --> 01:13:39,020 I'd be surprised 1131 01:13:39,020 --> 01:13:40,640 if my mother was a hamster, to be honest. 1132 01:13:41,220 --> 01:13:42,240 Really cool stuff. 1133 01:13:42,440 --> 01:13:43,780 To be super clear. 1134 01:13:44,380 --> 01:13:44,900 Cool. 1135 01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:46,680 Yeah. 1136 01:13:47,460 --> 01:13:49,180 She said next week, no zine. 1137 01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:50,800 Yep. We're going to have another 1138 01:13:50,800 --> 01:14:01,200 missing floor and the zine building okay cool yep um and then i think that's all we got 1139 01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:07,280 um where else we got here yeah i think that's it 1140 01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:14,980 we go into let's go to the top cowboys baby this has been a quick show 1141 01:14:14,980 --> 01:14:21,440 key on you ready for the top cowboys we didn't have a guest today yeah top cowboys look at that 1142 01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:27,860 same put on your hat so oh right thank you for reminding me what's going on here the most popular 1143 01:14:27,860 --> 01:14:34,260 segment deserves the most popular hat that's right i forget i forget sometimes to show my flair 1144 01:14:34,260 --> 01:14:44,440 uh the number one numero uno ombre is siggy 47 you think siggy ever is gonna get dethroned 1145 01:14:44,440 --> 01:14:47,140 it's possible 1146 01:14:47,140 --> 01:14:49,700 is it just his full time job at this point to be on Stacker News 1147 01:14:49,700 --> 01:14:51,900 no I mean it doesn't require 1148 01:14:51,900 --> 01:14:53,160 a full time job to keep it 1149 01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:55,660 what do you think his daily habits are 1150 01:14:55,660 --> 01:14:56,220 with Stacker News 1151 01:14:56,220 --> 01:14:59,500 I would say probably comes and checks it 1152 01:14:59,500 --> 01:15:00,460 in the morning 1153 01:15:00,460 --> 01:15:02,680 then he watches Breed Love with his wife 1154 01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,720 yeah or his wife watches Breed Love alone 1155 01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:06,300 then he watches 1156 01:15:06,300 --> 01:15:08,740 then he's like back on Stacker News 1157 01:15:08,740 --> 01:15:10,940 never let your wife watch Breed Love 1158 01:15:10,940 --> 01:15:13,480 the state gallery says 1159 01:15:13,480 --> 01:15:15,400 Don't let your white watch Breedlove. 1160 01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:17,700 You ever watched Robert Breedlove, Keon? 1161 01:15:18,900 --> 01:15:19,460 Alone? 1162 01:15:20,180 --> 01:15:20,420 Closed? 1163 01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:22,560 Closed or not unclosed. 1164 01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:22,820 Whoa. 1165 01:15:25,820 --> 01:15:29,480 The State Gallery has outed me. 1166 01:15:33,580 --> 01:15:35,420 Then we got Coop, number two. 1167 01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:36,580 Undisputed, number three. 1168 01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:38,820 Blockchain Book, number four. 1169 01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:40,080 Okay, Ruby, Coins Reporter. 1170 01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,140 Public Enemy, number seven. 1171 01:15:42,140 --> 01:15:47,440 stacker high number eight i think everything's the same i think optimism went up one maybe 1172 01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:52,460 could have but who would he have been found i don't know i think scores we went up i think 1173 01:15:52,460 --> 01:15:57,880 everybody went up one i really needed we need somebody to keep track of this stuff oh we need 1174 01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:02,000 to do it algorithmically it should be easy not easy we can't it'll be something we could do 1175 01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:10,860 that poet went up 23 h and gmd at 22 dying aardvark is climbing yeah i think everybody 1176 01:16:10,860 --> 01:16:12,060 went up one or something. 1177 01:16:12,540 --> 01:16:12,900 Okay. 1178 01:16:13,260 --> 01:16:14,320 Who else we got? 1179 01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:16,860 South Korea Lightning. 1180 01:16:17,380 --> 01:16:17,700 Nunya. 1181 01:16:18,140 --> 01:16:18,760 Nunya's climbing. 1182 01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:19,260 Kepford. 1183 01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:22,320 ShockNet got 37. 1184 01:16:23,540 --> 01:16:24,380 Who else we got? 1185 01:16:24,500 --> 01:16:25,820 We got the... 1186 01:16:25,820 --> 01:16:28,060 Oh, JB55's back. 1187 01:16:28,180 --> 01:16:28,520 Plunda. 1188 01:16:29,620 --> 01:16:30,400 Oscar's back. 1189 01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:31,520 Peter Todd. 1190 01:16:32,380 --> 01:16:33,220 Usual spot. 1191 01:16:35,020 --> 01:16:35,280 Knitter. 1192 01:16:35,460 --> 01:16:36,340 Knitter has an account. 1193 01:16:37,780 --> 01:16:38,400 When that happened? 1194 01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:45,100 uh i think that's the bot that's the knitter bot oh okay someone must have zapped it i think 1195 01:16:45,100 --> 01:16:49,960 i think it has a bug in it ted thizzy look at that we got ted thizzy he's the one that did the boost 1196 01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:54,900 on his on his post this week i got him back to stacker news with his um i told him i was going 1197 01:16:54,900 --> 01:16:59,200 to drop it on second news early so again maybe that's the other the third dimension we have 1198 01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:05,360 tiz riz and thiz but what is this this is when you have tiz and riz maybe 1199 01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:13,200 now that has to be an independent thing i don't know yeah let's come up with that 1200 01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:19,680 because this is pretty good it's a good combo you got cascader 89 i think i still have that 1201 01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:27,100 bot blocked i think which bot the cascader bot is that the one that's like the chat bot yeah 1202 01:17:27,100 --> 01:17:31,740 oh i think i still have that one blocked i'd have to check were people using it against you 1203 01:17:31,740 --> 01:17:33,320 No, it's just annoying 1204 01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,060 Just annoying bot 1205 01:17:35,060 --> 01:17:37,200 You can go to your mutes now, we can look at them 1206 01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:38,260 Nah, I don't want to 1207 01:17:38,260 --> 01:17:40,280 I always got you 1208 01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:42,440 I mean, we could if you want to 1209 01:17:42,440 --> 01:17:45,460 We got Socks, Socks, what's Socks coming out with next? 1210 01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:47,120 Oh, Socks is 1211 01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:48,260 You mean for work? 1212 01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:48,960 Yeah 1213 01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,480 He's working on editor stuff 1214 01:17:51,480 --> 01:17:53,980 He's doing a great job 1215 01:17:53,980 --> 01:17:55,540 I'm really excited 1216 01:17:55,540 --> 01:17:59,440 You got EK doing a conference 1217 01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:00,900 You got Socks dropping off 1218 01:18:00,900 --> 01:18:02,000 some more stuff. 1219 01:18:02,420 --> 01:18:04,300 They're just rocking and rolling at this point. 1220 01:18:04,500 --> 01:18:06,120 What do you even do at this point? 1221 01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:07,700 I mean, I wear this hat. 1222 01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:09,600 Now you're just a podcast influencer? 1223 01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:11,580 I do this podcast. 1224 01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:14,280 One most fix is a lot of work. 1225 01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:17,400 Man. 1226 01:18:17,980 --> 01:18:18,400 I know. 1227 01:18:18,860 --> 01:18:19,920 Jeez, look at you. 1228 01:18:20,020 --> 01:18:21,780 Dude, it's not easy. 1229 01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:24,140 I'm just kidding. 1230 01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:26,540 You're doing the migration or something? 1231 01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:28,520 Yeah, it is bonkers. 1232 01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:28,960 In the butt. 1233 01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:29,800 Yeah. 1234 01:18:30,900 --> 01:18:31,500 That was funny. 1235 01:18:32,100 --> 01:18:32,900 Okay, that's cool. 1236 01:18:32,980 --> 01:18:34,500 That's all the top cowboys. 1237 01:18:34,700 --> 01:18:36,900 Let's jump into... 1238 01:18:36,900 --> 01:18:37,580 Where am I at? 1239 01:18:37,620 --> 01:18:38,740 I lost my... 1240 01:18:38,740 --> 01:18:39,780 I lost it. 1241 01:18:42,260 --> 01:18:42,700 Ooh. 1242 01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:43,480 All right. 1243 01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:44,460 Let's go down here. 1244 01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:45,780 We got... 1245 01:18:45,780 --> 01:18:49,100 We got Fallon Boost this week from Blockchain Boot. 1246 01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:51,100 And then we got PS. 1247 01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:52,420 Yes, he's back. 1248 01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:54,640 Dude, he wasn't watching us for a while, right? 1249 01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:56,100 Yeah, I wonder how he's back. 1250 01:18:56,220 --> 01:18:57,400 I wonder how we got back on the radar. 1251 01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,000 Probably because we did the 6102 Bitcoin last week. 1252 01:19:00,460 --> 01:19:00,740 Oh. 1253 01:19:00,740 --> 01:19:01,400 They got all back. 1254 01:19:01,500 --> 01:19:04,480 They got the hardcore Maximus listening to us again. 1255 01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:04,960 Okay. 1256 01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:06,440 We've always been hardcore. 1257 01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:07,280 Nothing's changed. 1258 01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:10,660 It's just that, you know, I think we cover AI too much. 1259 01:19:10,940 --> 01:19:13,660 But, I mean, it's because we're from Austin. 1260 01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:15,980 I mean, there's a big AI boom happening here. 1261 01:19:15,980 --> 01:19:18,240 AI is like the other big thing that's kind of going on in the world. 1262 01:19:18,340 --> 01:19:20,680 Whether you think it's good or bad, it is like. 1263 01:19:20,860 --> 01:19:22,360 I actually find it fascinating. 1264 01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:23,720 It's in our backyard. 1265 01:19:23,940 --> 01:19:25,640 It's like we kind of have to cover it. 1266 01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:27,720 There's two places where AI is happening. 1267 01:19:27,860 --> 01:19:28,080 I don't know. 1268 01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:28,660 You tell me, Keon. 1269 01:19:28,660 --> 01:19:31,820 And it's like San Francisco and Austin and like, where else is it happening? 1270 01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:33,780 I mean, it's happening all over the world, but there's like, 1271 01:19:34,580 --> 01:19:39,860 as far as like founders and like the boom of it. 1272 01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:41,060 The boom. 1273 01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:41,420 Yeah. 1274 01:19:41,420 --> 01:19:41,840 I don't know. 1275 01:19:42,100 --> 01:19:44,180 Do you know any big AI companies that are here? 1276 01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:46,480 Dude, they're all at Capital Factory. 1277 01:19:46,980 --> 01:19:47,320 Okay. 1278 01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:49,620 There's just a ton of startups. 1279 01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:50,080 Yeah. 1280 01:19:50,140 --> 01:19:51,140 Startups that are just builder. 1281 01:19:52,140 --> 01:19:52,740 I would guess. 1282 01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:53,040 Yeah. 1283 01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:53,800 There'd be. 1284 01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,840 It's the same thing that we saw in 21 with the Web3 stuff. 1285 01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:57,840 It was just like everywhere. 1286 01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:03,000 yeah they do same thing they do pick up they do get a lot of founders who are into like 1287 01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:10,000 the latest thing and this would be the latest thing and much healthier maybe it's uh yeah it's 1288 01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:16,540 way healthier i can't wait till the robotic stuff takes off interested in seeing trash cans that move 1289 01:20:16,540 --> 01:20:23,400 the smart trash cans uh anyways great to have ps back um and then we got um 1290 01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:29,880 vague with a comment he said stay safe oh that's nice yeah you stay in your lane you stay safe 1291 01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:37,140 i think that's good that's pretty much it keon what are you doing um what are you doing this 1292 01:20:37,140 --> 01:20:47,880 weekend uh i'm probably doing nothing surprising um i will be likely just continuing the work that 1293 01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:55,820 i'm doing and nothing special nothing special really that's what i i might do yoga because i 1294 01:20:55,820 --> 01:21:01,020 missed some days this week so i kind of feel like i need it it's kind of weird because what you do 1295 01:21:01,020 --> 01:21:05,540 you go to yoga you do yoga and then you start feeling a lot better you start feeling more at 1296 01:21:05,540 --> 01:21:11,960 peace and stuff and then um just like better in general and then but then you get used to it and 1297 01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:16,540 it becomes kind of boring to be in that state of mind and you kind of and then so you stop but then 1298 01:21:16,540 --> 01:21:20,200 you start to feel like do a lot of there are a lot of farts in yoga like i feel like there's a lot 1299 01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:24,560 of people doing farts in there there was a there was a guy in one of my classes who like left in 1300 01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:29,180 the middle i went to the bathroom so that does happen right like you're just behind a dude and 1301 01:21:29,180 --> 01:21:32,980 he's just farting the whole time there are like stretches you can do it's not just a yoga thing 1302 01:21:32,980 --> 01:21:37,140 but even outside of yoga you can the stretches you can do to help your bowels kind of kind of 1303 01:21:37,140 --> 01:21:40,340 no but do people just fart the whole time is that why they blast the music so loud 1304 01:21:40,340 --> 01:21:45,520 no i don't think they do fart i've i've never actually heard someone fart in a yoga class 1305 01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,300 I always wondered that. I've never done yoga before. 1306 01:21:48,660 --> 01:21:51,080 I always wondered if that's what goes on. 1307 01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:52,420 I think people are pretty polite. 1308 01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:54,720 People don't fart in yoga. 1309 01:21:55,100 --> 01:21:57,020 As I said, I haven't encountered it yet. 1310 01:21:57,540 --> 01:21:59,280 Today, the instructor 1311 01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:01,280 is both pregnant and 1312 01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:03,400 there was someone who was 1313 01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:05,480 in the class. 1314 01:22:05,580 --> 01:22:07,540 There was a student in the class who also 1315 01:22:07,540 --> 01:22:08,780 was pregnant. I thought that was pregnant. 1316 01:22:08,780 --> 01:22:10,140 No farts. 1317 01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:11,880 There's no farting in it. 1318 01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:13,920 Even when they have one person 1319 01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:15,280 inside of them, 1320 01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:20,600 as a person they are not delivering no i always thought that was the thing that's why i was just 1321 01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:24,020 like always you thought people went to yoga and it's just a fart no i said it was just like a 1322 01:22:24,020 --> 01:22:30,800 fart fest you know because like those those stretches dude you know um you know i don't 1323 01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:36,360 know but maybe people use russian before maybe that's why there's no farts i don't really you're 1324 01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:41,920 kind of it's very it's like do you fart in the middle of a run sometimes yeah like it's pretty 1325 01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:46,800 you're pretty like pretty intent on your body because maybe it's just mexicans because i eat 1326 01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:50,880 a lot of beans and rice and stuff oh that's probably it yeah mexican yogurt is probably 1327 01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:55,600 super oh it's probably super farty right i like what it's just like bean burrito farts you know 1328 01:22:56,220 --> 01:23:03,120 what are you doing this weekend let's move on this is the worst segment on the cab uh probably 1329 01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:09,580 uh i gotta do some stacker these live dvd stuff i gotta see if these uh these dvds will burn 1330 01:23:09,580 --> 01:23:15,040 do we know what the cover looks like yeah oh yeah so uh pleb poet took some pictures and stuff 1331 01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:20,420 okay so i basically finished the dvd it's complete like i watched it all the way through 1332 01:23:20,420 --> 01:23:24,880 it's so good like it's like it's one of those things where it's like when you make it 1333 01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:30,600 kind of reminds me of a different way of making um it's different than making an album 1334 01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:35,480 because i've made music before it's different than that it's different than making like a 1335 01:23:35,480 --> 01:23:40,840 like a like a mixtape no but i'm saying it's different than it kind of yeah you know it kind 1336 01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:45,380 of reminds me of like do you ever make like a an iMovie thing for your for your family 1337 01:23:45,380 --> 01:23:52,980 what family oh oh gosh dang that's sad okay it kind of reminds me of that it kind of reminds me 1338 01:23:52,980 --> 01:23:59,840 of making like an iMovie for like my family we did that with my mom growing up this is what it 1339 01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:04,680 reminds me of but i'm doing it for like the stackers and stacker news live and for you and 1340 01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:09,320 for everybody like it's it kind of reminds me of that so there's a lot of heart in it in it like 1341 01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:14,300 car heart in it like because i and then wumble's helped too and play poets so it's definitely a 1342 01:24:14,300 --> 01:24:19,780 community thing but um so yeah you'll definitely feel that in there and then uh but yeah it's a 1343 01:24:19,780 --> 01:24:26,160 really cool it's a good it's a good sit it's a good sit well yeah we'll have to sit through it 1344 01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:29,640 or i'll have to sit through it you've already sat through it i already sat through it once 1345 01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:32,560 I couldn't sit through it again. 1346 01:24:32,980 --> 01:24:35,520 But I'm excited to sit through it with y'all to see what y'all think. 1347 01:24:36,180 --> 01:24:37,360 Hopefully there's no boring parts. 1348 01:24:38,020 --> 01:24:41,220 But I'll drop the trailer this week on Fountain. 1349 01:24:41,220 --> 01:24:42,680 I'll drop it tonight if I can. 1350 01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:43,980 Or maybe tomorrow. 1351 01:24:44,140 --> 01:24:44,320 Maybe. 1352 01:24:44,440 --> 01:24:45,640 I don't know if I'm going to be here that late. 1353 01:24:45,740 --> 01:24:48,300 But I'll drop the trailer on Fountain first. 1354 01:24:49,140 --> 01:24:49,860 Can we include it? 1355 01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:50,960 Did you already make the trailer? 1356 01:24:51,220 --> 01:24:51,860 I'm going to make it. 1357 01:24:51,860 --> 01:24:54,880 I'm going to make it either tonight or tomorrow and then drop it. 1358 01:24:55,340 --> 01:24:58,880 And then I'll drop it on Stacker News next week. 1359 01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,560 I want to make like a video at some point in the future, 1360 01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:04,140 just so we have this recorded. 1361 01:25:04,340 --> 01:25:05,520 I want to make a video called, 1362 01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:06,400 uh, 1363 01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:10,900 I want to make a stack of news live trailer where it's just a video of an 1364 01:25:10,900 --> 01:25:11,800 actual trailer, 1365 01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:13,520 uh, 1366 01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:14,400 that we, 1367 01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:15,080 that is, 1368 01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:16,860 that is owned by stack of news lives. 1369 01:25:17,420 --> 01:25:18,220 What does that mean? 1370 01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:19,660 It's an actual tray, 1371 01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:20,420 like a trailer. 1372 01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:21,260 It's like a, 1373 01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:21,580 you know, 1374 01:25:21,580 --> 01:25:22,700 like a physical trailer, 1375 01:25:22,820 --> 01:25:23,840 like a physical trailer, 1376 01:25:24,340 --> 01:25:25,520 the stack of news trailer, 1377 01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:28,320 but it's a video of the stack or news trailer. 1378 01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:28,440 Yeah. 1379 01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:30,240 I don't know what you're saying. 1380 01:25:30,580 --> 01:25:33,080 It's like it's sort of punny. 1381 01:25:33,580 --> 01:25:33,760 You know? 1382 01:25:33,860 --> 01:25:37,140 Like the trailer that goes on the road is what you're saying? 1383 01:25:37,500 --> 01:25:38,300 Yeah, like that. 1384 01:25:38,440 --> 01:25:40,540 But we call it a Stacker News Live trailer. 1385 01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:44,740 And everyone's like, okay, this is going to be a trailer. 1386 01:25:45,020 --> 01:25:45,880 That we take on the road? 1387 01:25:46,440 --> 01:25:52,000 No, but they're going to think it's like a preview for a movie or something. 1388 01:25:52,380 --> 01:25:55,540 And really it's just a video of our literal trailer. 1389 01:25:56,660 --> 01:25:57,100 Okay. 1390 01:25:57,100 --> 01:25:58,640 Yeah, I don't know what you're saying. 1391 01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:01,020 but sure. Yeah, you're going to tiz on me. 1392 01:26:01,620 --> 01:26:02,080 I'm sorry. 1393 01:26:02,440 --> 01:26:04,920 Where's the Whisperers at? Have they all gone home? 1394 01:26:05,300 --> 01:26:06,720 They usually get out of the office 1395 01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:07,540 pretty early on a Friday. 1396 01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:10,800 Anyway, yeah, so we got that coming up 1397 01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:12,820 this weekend, so look for that to drop 1398 01:26:12,820 --> 01:26:14,260 and then I'll drop it on Sacker News Live 1399 01:26:14,260 --> 01:26:15,980 or Sacker News next week. 1400 01:26:16,740 --> 01:26:18,820 And then, yeah, then we're off to TapConf 1401 01:26:18,820 --> 01:26:19,640 in a couple weeks. 1402 01:26:20,500 --> 01:26:21,320 That should be fun. 1403 01:26:22,540 --> 01:26:23,540 Yeah, it should be a lot of fun. 1404 01:26:24,180 --> 01:26:26,660 Looks like everything's slowly moving together. 1405 01:26:27,860 --> 01:26:28,300 Yeah. 1406 01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:33,840 anyways yeah you got anything else uh i don't think so did you say what you're gonna do this 1407 01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:38,320 weekend already oh yeah just gonna work on all that stuff because we have a lot of stuff for 1408 01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:46,240 startup day i need to do for all that stuff and then um yeah just a lot of work um yeah mostly 1409 01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:52,160 mostly just work stuff basically we still got a couple weeks so yeah we got like 12 days so we 1410 01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:58,760 we got to get a lot of stuff done all right yeah a lot of emails to send out woo doggies yeah it 1411 01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:03,380 should be fun i'm looking forward to it it's gonna be a really fun two weeks with startup day and then 1412 01:27:03,380 --> 01:27:09,500 tapconf it's gonna be a lot of cool cool fun times man a lot of fun times ahead yeah especially going 1413 01:27:09,500 --> 01:27:15,220 into the fall yeah yeah no the weather starts getting good when you're in texas especially 1414 01:27:15,220 --> 01:27:19,380 and then yeah all the all the fun starts happening because all the kids go back 1415 01:27:19,380 --> 01:27:25,620 and all the parent bitcoiners start yeah hanging out again yeah that's why it's so sad to see 1416 01:27:25,620 --> 01:27:29,020 everybody fighting you know in the space it's just like dude we should be getting along right now 1417 01:27:29,020 --> 01:27:34,920 but i don't know at least i mean what's kind of cool is like the fight the fight isn't about 1418 01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:41,880 anything substantive and so that's almost like a good sign what do you mean like i the fight is 1419 01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:47,680 like about this like peripheral issue i heard yeah that's what that's what's kind of weird it's just 1420 01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:52,620 like they're putting their egos in the middle of all this it's like they can't they can't fight on 1421 01:27:52,620 --> 01:27:57,660 the actual the facts of it all do you know what i mean like on the technical facts so they have to 1422 01:27:57,660 --> 01:28:04,420 resort to the um the mudslinging that's where i'm kind of like i don't like yeah there's been a lot 1423 01:28:04,420 --> 01:28:09,360 there's been a lot of mudslinging and that isn't great but i think just it's a lot of energy being 1424 01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:16,100 put into something that's i think not a very significant one so that's you know but i think 1425 01:28:16,100 --> 01:28:18,600 if you're trained to be a warrior, you want to fight. 1426 01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:20,240 You just want to fight all the time. 1427 01:28:20,700 --> 01:28:22,500 You're a hammer. Everything looks like a nail 1428 01:28:22,500 --> 01:28:24,440 type of thing. But this is where I'm just 1429 01:28:24,440 --> 01:28:26,540 like, dude, we saw it earlier. 1430 01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:28,540 I forget which comment it was like, leave it on 1431 01:28:28,540 --> 01:28:30,520 Twitter. It's like, this is why I'm off 1432 01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:32,120 of Twitter and I use FeedFilter 1433 01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:34,360 for whenever I do log on. 1434 01:28:34,460 --> 01:28:36,420 It's just like filtering all that stuff out 1435 01:28:36,420 --> 01:28:38,240 is better. 1436 01:28:38,700 --> 01:28:40,300 And even muting stuff on 1437 01:28:40,300 --> 01:28:42,500 Stacker News is helpful too because I don't 1438 01:28:43,060 --> 01:28:44,660 need to see that stuff. 1439 01:28:44,660 --> 01:28:51,000 like i don't need to see that stuff it it makes my life better to operate in this environment where 1440 01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:57,200 it doesn't it doesn't help me like to for my for to get my job done for what i need to do to stay 1441 01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:02,020 productive in bitcoin like it's not beneficial to me i'm gonna hear about it anyway at the end of 1442 01:29:02,020 --> 01:29:06,640 the week you know what i mean yeah it's noise it's just noise for me what i need to get done 1443 01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:11,060 maybe it works for others because they're not working in the space but for me i need to stay 1444 01:29:11,060 --> 01:29:15,100 sharp any estate focus i need to keep building you know and that doesn't help me if anything 1445 01:29:15,100 --> 01:29:21,000 it's a distraction but to each their own i guess i don't know yeah it is for sure a distraction 1446 01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:27,980 for to a large degree except when it when it you know it might not it sounds like people are 1447 01:29:27,980 --> 01:29:33,380 getting so worked up over it it might turn into something that isn't that's bigger than a 1448 01:29:33,380 --> 01:29:37,900 distraction it's weird too it's when people don't even have like uh they're not even directly 1449 01:29:37,900 --> 01:29:43,220 connected to it and then they have a take on it it's like yeah no he's that a lot it's because 1450 01:29:43,220 --> 01:29:48,360 they're they're like not focused you know yeah it's like well here's my take on this thing i 1451 01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:53,580 don't i haven't bothered at all to really understand and i i know exactly what's going 1452 01:29:53,580 --> 01:29:58,620 on even though i don't understand i know exactly what's going on yeah it's a bit that is weird to 1453 01:29:58,620 --> 01:30:05,640 encounter but i think it's just like general human stuff yeah all right stackers make sure 1454 01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:11,060 to hit unsubscribe there don't follow us don't ring the bell don't do any of this stuff uh you're 1455 01:30:11,060 --> 01:30:15,680 not helping we want to stay small we want to just really still eat tv yeah if anyone if any of you 1456 01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:22,040 work at youtube if you could just get all of our subscribers wiped out so you know anyone 1457 01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:29,040 there if you know what is it soon jay yeah like yeah everything could just be uh keep it on stacker 1458 01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:34,100 news live or we'll keep it on stacker news and we'll just release that we could turn off we could 1459 01:30:34,100 --> 01:30:36,320 we'll just use YouTube for 1460 01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:38,420 releasing it and then eventually Keon will 1461 01:30:38,420 --> 01:30:40,380 roll out a live thing and we'll just do everything 1462 01:30:40,380 --> 01:30:42,500 for Stacker News. Yeah, I don't know. 1463 01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:44,540 We could turn off the subscribe 1464 01:30:44,540 --> 01:30:46,460 button. If we could, if someone could 1465 01:30:46,460 --> 01:30:48,080 call YouTube. 1466 01:30:48,340 --> 01:30:50,420 It's weird. The more we say that, the more 1467 01:30:50,420 --> 01:30:52,620 people keep subscribing. It's the strangest thing. 1468 01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:54,140 Stop subscribing. 1469 01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:56,580 Stop subscribing. We're warning you 1470 01:30:56,580 --> 01:30:57,780 guys. I'm telling you. 1471 01:30:58,340 --> 01:31:00,460 You want me to start talking 1472 01:31:00,460 --> 01:31:02,580 politically correct? You need to stop 1473 01:31:02,580 --> 01:31:03,060 subscribing. 1474 01:31:04,100 --> 01:31:06,280 You're going to ruin this podcast, Stackers. 1475 01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:07,420 Stop subscribing. 1476 01:31:07,900 --> 01:31:09,820 Look, now we got another subscriber. 1477 01:31:10,260 --> 01:31:10,700 Oh, did we? 1478 01:31:10,860 --> 01:31:12,420 Yeah, literally went up one. 1479 01:31:12,900 --> 01:31:13,620 What are they doing? 1480 01:31:13,820 --> 01:31:14,820 They're trying to ruin it. 1481 01:31:15,940 --> 01:31:16,340 Anyways. 1482 01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:17,040 Oh, man. 1483 01:31:17,100 --> 01:31:18,160 That's why I can't have nice things.