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Hello ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another exciting episode of Stacker News Live.
My name is Carl, with my BFF key on, and play poet showing off the zines today.
Look at that.
Oh yeah, look at those books of paper.
And the SNL DVD.
That's a rare bird right there.
if you're more of a video person you can watch this bird fly on your screen how is y'all speak
where's there a bird uh it's a car called the dvd a bird oh it's like it's like a very rare thing
to find you yeah like if you're a birder and you saw like a bird watcher right is that what they
say i heard him say birder like how like why would the culture of birders no she said burgers
extend beyond the bird like how did that intermix with normal right how did what do you think of
that cover art right there what do you think of that lady channel well that's what it's isn't that
exactly the face i made to you when i was talking about it this is like your default face mine yeah
this is what i expect when i talk when i say anything to you but i such a perfect face though
I love it yeah people know it
people know it's a face if I
if I could move my face
that's the face I'd make this is the face
yeah it's the face I'd want to make
I aspire to have
yeah yeah like that
I don't know how to make that face
it's unfortunate because
that woman is really irksome
did you watch the interview?
I watched it a little bit
she was so irksome
we'll get into it
We're going to get into it later.
Kian, how was your week?
Oh, it was really good.
For anyone watching this podcast, we haven't yet had a global nuclear war.
Wow.
So there's not yet a fear of being exposed to fallout.
And the water is still drinkable.
Right.
And the sun still comes out occasionally.
I like doing this podcast as like a message to the future people.
and i'm like uh allows me to forecast in a fictional way anyway uh my freak was great
i got complimented on my calves i'm really proud of that um who complimented you on i can i'm not
uh able to able to say but it was someone with a discerning eye it's a real someone that can
make this taste really good it has a real taste for calves has a real opinion about calves wow they
are pretty good yeah yeah i was never noticed them you know most people don't that's why it's
probably the worst thing they're really strong it's it's the i'm i'm like i'm a category i'm
like a 10 in terms of my calves but they're you know you wish it was in another category of yeah
your thighs are pretty thick too oh thick thighs i've never looked at them i have a thick leg it's
more like a upper calf have i never checked out your thighs or your calves before this whole time
because i can show them to you when the camera's off it's funny uh i wasn't kind of uh how was your
week um i had a good week um i got this new thing my mom just sent it to me so you know you know how
a candle works right you light it on fire well let's say you've maybe had a house fire before
caused by a candle or you're a college student you live in a dorm room candles aren't allowed
there's a product for you and it is a lamp that focuses right over the top of your candle and
burns it with electricity rather than fire interesting my mom got me one of those and uh
I really like it. Where did she get that from?
Is it from a thrift store?
No, it's a trade show or something.
I don't know if they have made it to thrift stores yet
because I don't think they've been around that long.
But this one came from Amazon.
Oh, from Amazon.
You can have one tomorrow.
So you get a mound of wax and then you just...
No, they don't provide the wax. It's just the lamp.
But it doesn't light it on fire.
It just melts it down.
Yeah.
And so you end up with like a wick that isn't lit.
Right.
At the end.
Well, no.
So, okay.
So another problem that it can solve is like, let's say you had already burnt this candle
a little bit, but the wick, like I have this one where it's a big candle, but there's only
one wick.
Well, it really should have two wicks so that it can do a consistent burn all the way down,
but it doesn't have that.
So now I'm going to have like walls that are never going to get burned.
so now i can place this candle under my lamp and it'll consistently warm all of the wax i'll smell
the whole candle i'll use the whole candle okay so it's like an oven for a candle yeah okay and
it's cute yeah interesting so there you go this is a tech podcast if you ever if you need a gift
for like a niece or something that's sounds like it's yeah or a pyromaniac or pyromaniac which
sometimes those are nieces yeah and they probably want pyromaniacs probably like i mean black
friday's coming up right so there you go yeah stackers shout out to my mother um shout out to
playpoets mom uh if you've never seen this crazy show before we cover the top three stories of the
week on stacker.news the something something what's the catchphrase it's it's not that anymore
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hit subscribe hit the subscribe button or actually don't hit the subscribe button y'all keep hitting
the subscribe button and now we're getting close to five report button afford us to youtube actually
you keep hitting the subscribe button and more people are subscribing which is not a good thing
because we're going to have to monitor what we say i had someone complain about our our rss feed
the podcast rss feed is what's up with that what do you mean what's going on then they said they
they're not getting it in their podcasting app anymore really i have to talk to oscar
from fountain this is uh someone who came to the friendsgiving really like which do they do they
say which one though yeah i think they're using like pod something with pod in the name like
podman or something like that or pod one okay so we use fountain for our rss distribution
but I can email him and find out.
Yeah, I'll find out.
Anyways, but if you've ever seen this crazy show,
check out all the Wumble clips that we have here.
Lava, the Lava story was the most viewed video last week.
Apparently no one was talking about it, but we covered it.
I know they did it for Presidio Bitcoin.
Oh, did they cover it?
Yeah, they talked about it.
They're all investors in it.
Oh, wow.
That must have been.
And they actually were, they scorched them.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Good on them.
Put on the heat.
Good on them.
Well, we covered it too.
And we try to be nice, as nice as we could.
Because we know what it's like building companies.
But it was a good talk.
Definitely check it out.
And we have other posts on there.
But go ahead.
We're going to get started.
The number three top story of the week is Trip Report.
The chocolate coins inside of the Bank of Japan.
This is from Chungking Express.
20 comments, 3,142 sets.
Kion, what's this?
yeah chunking express went to the bank of japan headquarters it looks like
bank of japan is probably like our federal reserve but they might i don't know if they
have like like multiple branches like we do but it's kind of where they hold the databases for
all the money and at one point printed all the physical money and maybe they still print all the
physical money there um it's probably where they do like meetings about monetary policy and
how they're going to fix things by printing money.
Such a waste of space, waste of money when I see something like this.
Yeah, I mean, in a digital age, this stuff seems especially silly.
But at one point, everything happened this way,
where human beings had to get together in a room.
It's like a relic.
But what's interesting is he had a similar experience
at Bank of Japan that we had in Atlanta going to the Federal Reserve.
branch office there where they can't he's not allowed to take pictures because there are
because people would people would do like research and rob it and stuff i think is the man like for
security reasons they don't let you take pictures they also give out shredded uh currency which we
got at atlanta as well um yeah but i thought that was i thought that was cool and i especially
connected with it because uh we had just been to our own um has has one of these ever been
demolished or how do you say that demolished or i don't know the building in atlanta was pretty it
was like it was like solid marble have they ever been set for demolition you know what i mean like
have they ever been like uh just for fun no not for fun just like for taking down and then like
brought you know brought back up for something else entirely different maybe built a park instead
it'd be great to put a co-working space a bitcoin co-working space and an old federal reserve that
That would be sick.
Also, there's a story of a house or an entire office building
that gets rotated and moved to a new block while people are still working in it.
I haven't heard that one before.
That would be cool.
It would be neat.
I had a friend who, after we graduated from college,
she went and lived in Seattle in the apartment building he lived in.
It used to be an old bank, and they had a gym in the vault.
Nice.
Yeah, in the basement you could go.
Austin one time played a show in an old bank.
That's cool.
There is something about how they're like very official,
and they're kind of scary, and then.
Sterile.
Yeah, they're kind of sterile.
Not like hospital sterile, but.
Yeah.
One of the companies that I used to do IT for,
I won't say who they are.
Well, actually, I'm going to give it away.
I shouldn't say anything.
Let's just say they used a, they used a, they used to be an old, how do you say, like a, like an 1800s sheriff's station or whatever, or whatever they would call that.
And they would use the place where they would lock up the prisoners.
They use that as the banking thing or where they would store all the money.
oh yeah that's really cool they reconstructed it as the place where they'd store the money
what are we good like and then they shot then they also shot a famous movie there
i won't see which one okay lots of mysteries to solve sacker
spy kids probably spy kids we should get a prison for nick when he's like on when he's
kind of on one you know but yeah it's pretty good need something i like his shirt look at his shirt
yeah i'm so happy that this is that dressed in japan posts on stacker news and i also follow
him on instagram he's a great instagram follow oh yeah quality man quality man all around
renaissance man these are all chocolates um yeah those are chocolates those are but they're covered
in like fake gold foil you know like how they have those at least they're selling something
I'm like
I'm like two years
And like one major life disaster
Away from moving to Japan myself
You're two years
You said and one major life disaster
Away
How big of a life disaster
Like if what's going on right now
Just like blows up and doesn't work out
I'll go there
You're going to go to Japan
What makes Japan the place to go
No I'm just like obsessed with it right now
Okay
It is very cute in general
Yeah
Their culture seems more intact
I mean
We actually might go next year
Do you want to go with us, Janet?
You're going to go next year?
You might go next year
Well, I'd love to go
I've been invited
Okay, sweet
Let's go
I know they're doing a
We just need a planet
They're doing a Nostra event like this week, right?
They're doing all
Nostra Asia
Is in Japan this week
Or next week, maybe
Yeah
Bitcoin Japan was like happening this month
I just want to try the sushi over there
Oh
It's supposed to be like a really good sushi
No for sure and matcha as well
The tea
Was it invented there?
I think so I think it was invented there
Can you confirm that chunking express?
Where like it was invented
Somewhere else like pizza
In Italians you know
I thought it was just a Neapolitan pizza
That was invented there
Maybe
in italy also i don't know i'm just making stuff i'm not a culinary historian yet culinary you mean
yeah i'm one life crisis away from being a culinary historian right culinary you mean
right the second top story this week is forking get it over with this is from
how do you say that con something conduition 13 comments 2656 sats this is a number 14
Bitcoin territory, baby boy.
Yeah, Conduition is over all the knots and core drama.
What was it?
Keyhole, what is this?
Okay.
Yeah, so Conduition is over all the knots and core drama.
Wait, is this over the knots and core drama?
No, I just said that just to say knots and core.
I feel like it gives us-
Wait, so is this-
Just to trigger, Connor.
So just hang on.
Let's start-
Just to get interrupted.
Let's just start from the beginning.
So we know what we're looking at here.
Yeah, and we got to break this down for the stack.
at home who are not paying attention, like me, because we have lives.
So is this...
Why are you getting bragged like that?
No, because you're too busy to pay attention to this nonsense.
So is this the same thing that Ocean's fighting over with everybody else?
Or is this something completely different?
Well, this guy has no association with Ocean, but this is, yeah,
related to the Nauts and Core drama, yes.
But what are they fighting over about now?
Well, this guy isn't fighting anyone.
He's basically asking them to stop fighting and just proceed with their...
So this is just a normal person in the middle of the room saying,
Hey, everybody.
I'm not fighting.
I'm not sure they're normal because they...
Okay, this is just an autist in the middle of the room saying,
Hey, everybody.
Stop making so much noise.
Not really.
He's not talking about the noise.
He just kind of wants the fork to get on.
What fork is he talking about?
Like a soft fork?
The BIP44 soft fork is proposed by not people who are upset.
I bet you would have all your questions answered if you just read like two of those sentences.
Okay.
If I had the choice, I would prefer there to be no fork at all.
I wish we could stop this nonsensical infighting today, but I'm pretty sure that won't happen.
yeah so uh i think the the swiftest way this all ends as we discussed on the last pod
is the fork proceeds every pod just the beginning and then people can actually make their decision
and you know uh bitcoin mechanic and luke they can run they can run this fork and they can be
on that version of bitcoin and they can fight with people on that version of bitcoin and we can all
just uh move on from from this fight and talk about other things wait are you saying this or
is the person who's who's saying this i'm saying it uh but i'm i'm relaying also their sentiment
which is so you also feel like this guy conduition yes i feel like i feel like i just i just want
the filter debate to be over i think i think it's pointless i think there was there was reason to
have some discussion about the way things happen in core and i think that it was good that we had
some discussion you called it bike shedding in the beginning it is bike shedding but bike
shedding as i also said in the beginning that bike shedding has utility i think it so it's not
bike shedding no more i think it's beyond bike shedding yes they're basically they're bike
shedding so hard they they're not debating the color of the bike shed anymore they're
talking about building another bike shed so just go build the other bike shed and goodbye um
that's kind of the way i feel about it so you're like get off my property is what you're saying
uh not really i mean it's not really about my it's not my i don't view it as my property i'm
just overhearing about i mean even at bit does last night there was a debate between park uh
parker lewis and not really a debate but a discussion between parker lewis and schmitty
from brink and optech um where they discussed this and it's like i've heard i've heard enough
this already i mean it's it's good for people who are still maybe confused or swayed by one side or
the other and who want some confusions cleared up to hear these things but i'm just so i'm just over
it i don't want to like as a person who lives and breathes sort of bitcoin stuff uh this these these
are noxious fumes and i'm just over it what do you got
I was curious if you
Kind of understood the double entendre
Of the title here
Fork and get it over with
Like a pasta?
Like fornication
Oh
Fork off
No like fuck and get it over with
I don't know
I don't know if that
Is that a double entendre?
I think
I think it might just be
I think it is
Single entendre.
Nope.
Huh?
Well, I actually think nothing of this, to be honest.
I think-
Because you have a life.
Obviously.
We're all losers who think about this.
But it's just, to me, I just see a lot of power.
I see a lot of greed.
I see a lot of window dressing.
I see the typical thing you see in any type of decentralized thing.
I'm just going to wait and see.
because that's all you got to do with some of these things you wait and see well bitcoin yeah
a lot a lot of cases i mean you look at linux it's nose all the way across it's just no no no no no
no no it's like like like uh what's his name linus is it linus yes he's just always saying no
i was reading something the other day i forget which tech blog it was but he was talking about
like rust and like the kernel and he was talking about like ai and he was saying how he's like very
dismissive of like vibe coding like linus is and he he thinks it's useful but he he thinks it's like
as useful as like a compiler was in the early days of of coding and he was saying that like
he was very like against rust in the early in the early um when it first came out but now he's like
being a little bit more open to it so he's saying yes a little bit more and this is just like an
article i read about what he was talking about with ai and like rust and all the and like vibe
coding and stuff so i don't know i just tend to i just tend to be more on that side it's just like
just let the people who know what they're what they're doing who look at it every day of their
lives who spent a lot of time doing it focus on that and on all the people who are like
close to the politicians or podcasters or people with a lot of influence stay doing that
that's what i would say like you probably have no business so basically you're saying stay in your
lane exactly you're staying in your lane i i am staying i am staying in my lane because because
like this is i have no i have no idea what's going on here i can pretend like i do um
I understand Bitcoin.
I understand it at a deep level,
but to understand these kind of like things that are going on here,
we bet would be very miss.
It would be very,
because people listen to me and people trust me to a certain respect.
And like,
if I start talking,
like I know what I'm talking about,
I'm going to lead them the wrong way.
So I'm going to let other people speak about this kind of stuff.
And I can't say everybody in the space is doing that right now.
Cause I know for a fact,
some of these people are asking other people what's actually going on.
And even some of these people don't even know exactly what's going on.
So that's all I'll say about that.
Anyways, good post.
The number one top story of the week is it's not a layer two.
It's a stable coin peg to Bitcoin.
This is from Scoresby.
He's had like five number one top stories the past weeks.
Last week, yeah, he had.
But he's had like five number ones in a row.
4,669 sets
Keon, what's this?
Yeah, this is another
BoSchool essay
and that kind of
decompressed
into an essay for us
so that we can understand it better by Scoresby
Scoresby is going through crypto
economics
and this time
it's the solution principle one
which basically says that
um all of these all of these other technologies we build on bitcoin or around bitcoin uh we do so because using bitcoin is expensive which will tell the communicate to the market that there needs to be an alternative that cheaper and so we going to create like the market is going to
create a bunch of things that are cheaper that are not actually bitcoin um but are
meant to replace bitcoin and scores be used as the analogy of stable coins where they're they're
They're basically going to be viewed as something that can be pegged to Bitcoin, Bitcoin's value.
And so that's what you have with a lot of even Bitcoin's layer twos.
So things like ARK, things like Liquid, these are on these other chains, eCash, on these other chains, you're pegging the asset on those other chains or systems to Bitcoin's value.
with most of this Bosco stuff
the details are very fine
but the general idea is that
altcoins are sort of inevitable
given Bitcoin's design
and attempts to
layer other systems
on top of Bitcoin
that are cheaper
but have deficits in some way
are also inevitable
and that's that's kind of what we end up substituting goods basically for uh bitcoin
because bitcoin is because because when it becomes in high demand it's expensive to use
and therefore we'll seek alternatives that's the that's the gist yeah if that was a gist i don't
know i mean what do you think about it outside of just explaining this oh uh what do i think about
i think it's true i think i think um i think it's certainly inevitable that we have things
like litecoin we have things we have these altcoin systems and scoresby says we you know perhaps we
should call the even these things that are kind of have are in the same orbit as bitcoin um like
these layer twos they should also maybe be called all coins um especially where you don't have
like unilateral control all the time in those systems and you have you have a lot of trust in
other parties uh yeah so yeah i kind of look at them like like the way they would be looked at
in like the real world so you know you have like money orders and checks and stuff like that i kind
of look at them like that like it's not actually cash like you know what i mean and i kind of look
at like bitcoin and kind of like that as actual you know privacy to a certain extent you know
actual like that that's how i look at stats so that's how i look at that and then all those
things like until they have like actual use case they're they're worthless in my opinion
and then it really just and then I also look at like the stablecoin kind of part of it more like
you know I think with as as as long as we get more and more interoperable systems connecting to these
different outputs of whatever these these connections will will connect to
depending on what the end user wants or the endpoint wants as far as it's getting paid out
and that's what you'll get paid out and I'm starting to realize that that's more the future
that it's actually headed in.
Not everybody will want sats.
I mean, in an ideal world, they will,
but I'm realizing more and more just talking to people
and realizing more and more people will just want
whatever they want.
It depends on what time horizon you're talking,
but I think it does seem over the short term,
at least people will be preferring
something denominated in dollars.
I don't know.
Over, I think, beyond a few years,
I would guess that'll change a lot.
Yeah, and I think your point about money orders and checks and stuff is right.
You can imagine transacting in cash or other currencies is expensive because you have to carry it around.
You have to kind of have it with you.
It maybe doesn't have high financial costs to use to carry around cash, but it does have these other types of costs.
And then we end up substituting cash with these other things because they lack those costs.
And so similarly related, it's not an economic cost that we use these other.
monetary technologies to replace cash,
but it is a cost of sorts that we are attempting to get rid of
by using other technologies.
What do you think, Gianna?
I think that it is Fry-yay.
She's having a Pacifica over there.
I just, Carr was explaining to us the.
The lore.
Yeah, the lore.
The origin.
Yeah.
Cool.
Deep history.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Stable coins just really bore me.
Just so boring.
Me too.
They're so boring.
What bores you?
Stable coins.
Oh, yeah.
It's pretty lame.
I mean.
I mean, they're just boring.
Yep.
I mean, it's like a.
It's like ground beef, you know.
Ground beef is boring.
It's like, sure, you can make crispy tacos out of it.
Sure, you can even make a burger out of it.
Yep.
But it's ground beef.
Well, why would you?
But it's ground beef.
No, but if you throw some sliced up and grilled peppers and onions,
now we're cooking.
Yeah.
I just remember Canaan Sea Cattle.
Remember Canaan Sea Cattle?
They had the best ground beef.
You know?
Yeah, I was getting that for a while.
It was the best, but.
I thought it was the best.
the best crowd we've ever tasted yeah anyways i've seen them around in a bit yeah hopefully
there's still bitcoin um that's all the top stories this week on snacker news live
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them to hit subscribe but they keep hitting subscribe but don't have risk reporting i'm just
like jumping to the natural conclusion of that how do we get there the fastest get them to take it
down geez louise calm down it's a really funny bit geez i'm done you're just shooting a rated pg
13 podcast here as always minus the f word that jenny used earlier so we're probably rated r today
from you guys because you're already rated r not on my team so um all right let's jump into
wumble's picks since kian wants to go even this will probably get us kicked off well at least this
will get me followed this weekend here we go wumble's picks oh man what did i do i clicked
the wrong one oh i posted the wrong one okay there it goes wumble's picks wumble's picks
he had two he had two of them but i can't find this one yeah they're both about graphing let me
copy this real quick and then I'll see if I can find it.
The first one is France attack on Graphene OS.
This is from Siki47. He forwarded to final.
Let me see if I can find the archive one.
There goes the archive one.
So this is Archive, who is also getting taken down by France, I think.
Everybody's getting taken down by France.
Maybe this show will get taken down by France.
Who knows?
but Google Pixel and Graphene OS
drug trafficking secret weapons
to protect their data from the police
what a loaded title that is
Keon what's going on here
yeah so I don't know
this is some French news group
they reached out to Final
who does like comms I think
and other types of public relations
for Graphene
and they asked him
a bunch of like leading questions
like
how does Graphene feel
how do graphing developers feel about developing software for criminals
and drug traffickers and, you know, lawbreakers.
It's basically what they asked,
and then Final shared a few thoughts on that.
And, you know, but none of that got included in this article
because this article had a point that it was written with
before it even talked to the graphing developers.
but you know apparently
France doesn't like
graphene because it is a
it prevents them from being able to gain
access to anyone's phone
even if they have
even if they have it in physical
their own physical custody is one of the advantages
of using graphene
so they view
that as like
a non
cynical view of that is that
they view it as like
them obstructing their ability to serve justice to people who deserve it.
But another view is they just kind of,
they want to maximize their power and their ability,
whether someone is guilty of something or not,
to be able to look into their phone.
So yeah, not a great look for France.
they're like
trying to
they're like talking trash about graphene
which we know is a
really cool project
yeah so no one's ever heard of
graphene it's an open source project
we actually did a workshop at
Plotplob like a year and a half ago
or maybe a year ago over a year ago
we did a workshop on
graphene and a lot of people
came out for that one I was surprised
but apparently
not a lot of people know about it it's such a small little project siggy's done a lot of um
um posts about graphene and um i remember i remember saying at the time like i felt like
it was going to get um just pulled like eventually they're going to start coming after people that
use graphene which not surprised this doesn't happen like i feel like we probably have another
like six months before every country starts going after it and starts targeting people that use
graphing i think even our own country the united states is going to come after people that use
graphing at some point so it's just a matter of time um so this is not surprising this is just
kind of like the the first warning bell i would say nothing to get too concerned about it's just
kind of have to just know how this is going to play out but um i think wobble had some questions
about this kian did you want to bring those up yeah no just uh i don't think they're going to
go after graphing users, they usually go after the developers.
So they're going to go after the developers.
I don't think you're going to be in trouble for using software that protects your privacy.
Most countries have laws around your right to protect your privacy, which is why these
countries are so upset, is because the graphing developers are giving people the ability to
do this for themselves.
You could say this guy was using graphing and then they went after him.
I mean, there was a time when, let me just state this for the record.
There was a time when you were innocent until proven guilty.
It wasn't just whatever the media reported and then you were guilty.
That's just not how that worked for the longest time.
All of a sudden, all of a sudden the media says you're one thing and then you're labeled guilty even before you even go to trial.
So I will say that just because the media says you're one thing and you're, that's not true.
so i just want to share that because i mean they're saying this guy is whatever and doing this
whatever until he's convicted and you know sentenced and whatever and even that's kind of
a farce you know to a certain extent because they're all in on it but uh yeah yeah i wasn't
saying anything about his guilt or anything um but that's what i'm saying they're gonna they'll
go after people that are using graphene well they will assume the worst if they cannot get access to
your phone and they want to charge you with a crime they'll assume that you're that's exactly
what i'm trying to say yeah they have no access to your device because you're hiding something
i agree with that that is what will happen um anyway yeah so uh wombo had some questions around
this one of the questions he asked is how to stay motivated when you're building something that um
regular when regulatory attention is growing against your project
um wumbles picks he sure knows how to pick them wumbles picks uh i would have picked this one
yeah i would say it's i don't know what motivates you to work on these things i don't think
motivation is really in question um you know you're motivated by the problem you're motivated
on by the people you're helping by developing it so i don't think the motivation wanes at all
you might become
you might become in some sense discouraged
or feel like you should spend your time
instead developing a fart app of some kind
or if you're in Dreesen Horowitz
try to make a gambling app
yeah but those have regulatory issues too
but at least
the graphene OS people
they're working more or less
a non-profit
they're developing these things. I think they
survive on donations. Well, if you read
publications, you're funded by North Korea
and Russia. So that's how they get
labeled as.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, so I don't think motivation
is
that much of a problem.
Because
even if you're discouraged
or maybe you don't work on it, you're still
motivated by the mission or
the problem you're trying to solve.
And it doesn't change the reality
of what made you work on these things.
Like they want to work on Graphene OS
because they feel like there are people who have,
who have the phone as like their central
communication device in their life.
And they are vulnerable,
more vulnerable than they need to be.
And maybe they have,
maybe there's some kind of refugee
or some kind of freedom fighter that is under attack.
And they want to help those people.
And so in some ways it probably is sort of like making the case or assist in motivating them that what they're doing needs to be done when they're getting attacked.
I hope that's a decent answer.
I would also say, you know, there's something about just experimenting and just, you know, being curious and creating and creating technology and innovative solutions for the sake of just doing that.
There's nothing wrong with that either.
So that's what I would say as well, too.
I think if your idea of the thing that you want to build and work on is like convicting you enough to want to like spend your time and your life realizing it and making it, you just block everything out.
You do it and then you come back and then you're like, oh, well, maybe that wasn't even worth it because now it's regulated out of possibility.
But you still built it.
yeah so you definitely don't want to put blocks in the way of you doing what you want to do before
you know if you can even do it so that's maybe another side it's a good way of saying it side
to do aside to this the other question one bo asks is as a developer do you have any guiding
principles in responding to questions like this journalist i've never had a journalist
even talked to me before.
Like a journalist.
I was the first one to talk to you.
You know who has like a, they have like a pocket protector
and they're a chain smoker
and then they work in like a basement of a newsroom.
Okay.
I was a chain smoker.
You know.
I had a pocket protector.
Like they have like anonymous sources.
I don't know about all that.
Just validate Carr's dream.
um i did have it i'm sorry yeah i don't really i don't really know i don't this you know this is a
graphing is clearly a very high profile um and these are journalists who are really attacking
them i would have no idea how to respond to that i think seems like you could have training around
that and how to i think i think when you're trying to i think when you're trying i think
think when you're doing like massive change in in an industry and uh or any type of uh
rattling of the of whatever technology huh rattling the saber is the phrase no i wasn't
trying i was like rattling of like the innovation that you're you're constructing around all the
bones um you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna piss people off and that's just from experience
you're gonna you're gonna upset people you're gonna upset the establishment and and i think
and that it doesn't mean necessarily mean that that's like a bad thing or anything i think that
just comes with like the territory and you just kind of have to accept that and not everybody's
going to be on board but i think it's just you just got to be very careful with with like what
you say and how you say it just be very truthful and honest and um don't get into fights and don't
say crazy things yeah i think the best thing to do especially if you have no experience and
just talk about how much you love the state and talk about how much you love reporters
but i think i think being on i would if someone were to ask me similar questions about stuff i
was working on i would just answer honestly but you do get you do have to be a little bit paranoid
about the things you're saying because they you want to be very you don't want to leave anything
open to interpretation yeah so that's like the main thing be honest and but you have you have to
have this extra level of guard on probably yeah so that there's no question what you mean when you
when you say something when you say you're building you know you're building something to
help preserve people's privacy they can't say you're helping to build to preserve the privacy
of criminals or whatever um you kind of have to leave them no room to take your stuff out of
context or whatever yeah because a lot of this stuff is just like so new and like still in this
early days stuff like it's it's a lot of it's just experimental and that's the thing i just
it's kind of hard to like say anybody is trying to do something on purpose it's uh it's it's so
experimental it's just kind of hard to like put that kind of truth to it it's just not possible
because it's so some half the time it doesn't even work i would say like most of the time it doesn't
work it's just kind of weird that you would construct that uh sort of like you know strong
belief in that people are doing something the other thing is he had another one said graphene
os updates re french issue what is that yeah i think he um this is final just shared the
the actual published article okay yeah that he was asked for a comment on okay
so i guess just the i guess just france but i would i i mean i'm i still can see that like uh
I think they will come after individuals that use graphene,
especially if you're like a high-profile person, I personally think.
But, you know, this is the state of the world we live in, man.
It's kind of sad.
It's only gotten worse.
But this is what fiat currency does.
anyways
Wumble's Picks
I'm going to come after you for using a phone
be careful
you want to go to
they're going to come after you
for having big calves
we'll go to
my picks this week
this one's from
actually let's do this one
the Mark Andreessen one
so I want to show this one that you posted
about uh mark andreason and uh this post about how he is an avatar for societal decay
so over the weekend um about two weeks ago was this two weeks ago but almost two weeks ago
um he's is he the biggest vc over there in silicon valley a16z he's one of the best known
I think, and one of the earlier ones, certainly.
Well, he got into, I wouldn't say he got into a fight.
He just commented on the Pope's recent kind of tweet.
And the Pope will do this thing where he'll write out an essay about the state of the world.
And he kind of just pontificates about things and gives his, you know, he'll pray and he'll just say things.
and it's just more about him just, you know, sharing his thoughts.
It doesn't necessarily mean anything.
It's just what he thinks.
And he was talking about technology
and about how he thinks it needs to be a little bit more,
people need to consider more of the ethical ramifications of it
and to think a little bit more with morality and stuff like that.
I don't think it was like too,
I don't even think it was too like hurtful one way or another.
It was just more like, hey, man, if you're making technology,
maybe think about the consequences of it.
And so Mark Andreessen made this face.
Do you know that face, Jenna?
Mm-hmm.
She was on the, I don't know if, I think it's here.
Yeah, she was being interviewed by.
Like a 15-year-old girl.
Like what is.
She was being interviewed by Sidney Sweeney when she asked her.
She was interviewing.
I kind of put my phone away.
I was filming every day.
She was interviewing Sidney Sweeney about the.
For GQ.
I can't see it. Let me see if I can zoom in.
Why do they have women
working at GQ?
Is that in a men's magazine?
Like, about men's fashion?
Oh, yeah.
There it goes right there. So she was interviewing her.
Your thoughts and your life separate from that work.
But the risk is that, you know,
there a chance that somebody will get some idea She asking her right here about what she thinks about her jeans the ones that she was wearing which is kind of weird And then like she asked her to talk about the Trump thing or whatever
I don't know.
And she's like, I'm not going to talk about it.
And then she makes like a face to her.
Is that shade, Janet?
It's like she throwing shade at her.
The way that you just retold the story was wrong.
Okay.
You tell it.
um well because she did a gene ad okay and then trump like tweeted about the ad
but i don't know i think i guess that's what you meant maybe i didn't watch the thing the
background to this is sydney sweeney did an american eagle ad where in the ad they they kind
of uh they use jeans as sort of a she's wearing jeans in the ad that's an advertised for american
eagle genes but they use they say sydney sweeney has good genes meaning you know she has good she
has american eagle genes which are good but she also has you know uh big daddies which is all
which is you know good genetically um and uh yeah so she's saying that she doesn't have good genes
or so what the interview is the interviewer is saying is that because she's she's white and
she's talking about genetic superiority. She's talking about genetic superiority or that was
about her genetic superiority as a white person. What does she like? How does she, does she have
any comment on that? Does she feel like she has, she, she should say anything about white superiority?
Because some people interpret it as an ad about white superiority and that's where Sidney Sweeney
So that's why that girl makes that face then?
Yeah, because she's in a roundabout way trying to get Sidney Sweeney into a gotcha type.
Okay, so that's why Mark Andreessen made the same face about Pope Leo's technological innovation can be a form of participation in divine act of creation.
It carries an ethical and spiritual weight.
For every design choice expresses a vision of humanity.
The church therefore calls all builders of AI to, and then that's when he was talking about the moral ethics of it all.
yeah got it i couldn't i mean i like i did see the interview not all of it and i did sort of i
mean i i'm tracking how people are like attacking sydney sweeney and she's graciously deflecting it
but i don't really know extrapolate the meaning of the face as a meme it is i think it is tricky
because it's like it's the context of her making that face is she is full of crap and no she's
she's giving the face that sydney sweeney is full of crap and that's what that's what andreason's
doing to the pope yep okay yeah that's right keon that's that's that's i don't think she's i don't
think she's she's giving that face to sydney sweeney because she thinks sydney sweeney is full
of crap it's just the it's the way her face contorted as she asked sydney sweeney like a
bad faith question yes oh wait yeah that's right that's right so wait so what do you so how does
that yeah so how does that correlate because i was thinking well yeah that's what i know so i'm
like now this face is used as a meme i'm not how does it apply in other situations i'm not a
memeologist but it sounds like you are because i was taking it more like she's she's telling
you're full of crap no that's the way this will be used now this is the face you will make to
someone to communicate like what you're suspicious of them like yeah exactly even though they're not
doing anything even though the context is but how did andreese not how did andreese and horowitz
use this then as the as the as like as human beings we recognize this face as someone's like
what what the frick what do you mean bro like that that's the way he's using it yeah that's
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Yeah.
It's like a recent, it's a screenshot of that emotion is what it is.
And it has, you can divorce it from the context in which it was.
The interview.
Originated.
Yeah.
Cause when I was talking to you, I was talking to you about the interview and I was like,
she was asking questions like, like that, like the bad faith questions.
Anyway, so it keeps going on.
And then, so you have other people telling him not to mock the Pope and he doubles down.
He literally doubles down on it.
And then everybody's like, he funds gambling apps, cheating apps, bot farms.
And nothing that Andreessen Horowitz does is good for society.
It's basically what a lot of people have said.
I don't think that's true.
Well, this is he brought it upon himself.
And then so this guy, the post that you shared, Keon, I didn't share this post.
the post that you shared basically goes into how there's just now a culture war brewing and
how people are vice signaling and it's the end of virtue. And it kind of goes into a lot of
what we're seeing just in every leadership role around the world at this point. It's not too far
from the truth i mean it's it's pretty it's pretty it's pretty crazy how uh how far everything has
fallen as far as like even fiat currency it's just like through the roof we're at 38 trillion
now i heard we'll probably be at 42 trillion next week i don't know um or by the end of the year
probably but yeah any thoughts on this okay well yeah i shared the post i don't exactly remember
what is what was in it i just i i thought it was an interesting idea choosing like choosing uh
prominent human being as like the, as an avatar or like sort of the representative,
the like conceptual representative, um, of a trend or a concept. I thought that was,
I thought that was really interesting. And so that's why, uh, part of why I shared it. Um,
I also, I also don't, I think they're a little, I think they're pretty unfair to Mark Andreessen.
I think Mark Andreessen is morally neutral. I would say, I don't think he goes about trying to,
trying to do harm in society.
I think it's more so he is not maybe making,
if something is like ethically questionable,
but has really good returns,
I think he's willing to consider it in a way that most people would say he
shouldn't.
But that's,
you know,
it's like,
it's like a slight evilness,
not really a full evilness.
But yeah,
I guess that, that fits with, I think where we are culturally, where, where this would,
he would be the avatar for something terrible as someone who's like actually in the, probably
in the middle of terribleness.
Yeah.
I think, I think at least he owns it, you know, at least he knows what he is.
I think he, at least he owns it.
And, uh, I think he's, I think he's okay with it.
And I think that's, that's where we are now.
And that, I think that's what the whole article is about is that even our president's like
that too.
Like, and that's okay.
yeah that's okay and that's what the whole article is about it's like you can be a piece of shit and
be okay with it and that's that's vice signaling or really just understand that no matter what you
say bad faith people are going to treat you as if you're a piece of shit yep that too yeah yeah
yeah i mean you know so another way to view maybe him using this meme is like he's accusing the pope
of being this lady where he the pope is moralizing mark andreason unfairly is like another way to
view it but there's like right that's that's when memes get really good and i think why this kind of
caught on is because there are layers is like there are multiple interpretations depending on
your point of view yeah good also like that interview was just like the set for it was
really well done the lighting for it was really well done that for it to proliferate around the
internet it looks good just just not what it is but just how it looks yeah hat tip to
the production team it's a philodendron i believe at gq how is that what that is i believe so
it looks pretty those leaves look thick bro i know yeah they can fall yeah dude uh yeah that was my
that was my first post i want to share the the next one i want to share was uh gray rubies gray
rubies uh pawn shop down at the pawn shop he went so this one's about him uh selling all his silver
apparently apparently he's bearish on silver now he's a long time gold bug not always a gold bug
but he said but he went down to the pawn shop and sold some of his silver keon what do you think
about that what i think about one of your stories you picked i think uh i thought you think about
him selling his silver um i don't really dabble in uh precious metals or anything but i i'm pretty
sure they have seen a significant rise over the last year or two um and that's i think what
motivated him to sell it is having once been a precious metals guy and seeing the light of
our digital future he um decided to part with some of his gold and silver amidst the no just silver
i think he sold some so he did so he did he did it says right there content to sell some of my
golds and most of my and a good chunk of my silver is what he says in the second paragraph
let me see got him did he say that yeah so while i didn't want to part with all of my gold and
silver stack i was content to sell some of my gold and a good chunk of my silver oh i guess he did
wow i thought he just only sold his silver yeah um yeah so he went to a he went to a pawn shop to
do it which is kind of cool most pawn shops advertise that they uh buy and sell yeah i didn't
even know they sold bought silver i thought they only bought jewelry no they definitely buy gold
and silver i don't know how you had to go to like a specific like gun ammo one of those type of
places to get to sell gold and silver no i think most of them deal in it because it because it has
a relatively stable value and because that's what he was saying yeah yeah it has a relatively stable
value and they get to they get to sell it at or they buy it below spot price and then they turn
around and sell it to someone else who buys closer maybe to spot price or they can sell it to customers
the spot price so it's almost like a guaranteed return for them um and so they they don't mind
and they're dealing in a lot of cash and stuff and they probably prefer to get rid of the cash
and not have to send it through the banking system or whatever and they can instead hold
this other asset so it's like sort of diversification it's it's probably serves a lot of
um a variety of roles for them do you think in the future that we'll have like one of those places
for like bitcoin or you can buy and sell bitcoin at like a pawn shop you can already do that in
some countries but no do you and this is a stupid question but i'm gonna ask anyway do you think in
the future when like we go through you know everything i'm talking about like 20 30 years
from now 40 years from now maybe where it's just like they have like these places it's just like
you sell bitcoin like at a pawn shop because there's just no you know maybe people it's just
not widely distributed you know what i mean maybe they take you to a back room and they're like oh
you got bitcoin okay let's go let me take you to a back room uh i don't really because it's just so
scarce by that point you know not many people have it yeah i don't think i don't think we deal in
gold and silver at pawn shops because golds and silver are scarce i think it's just very few people
have learned to value them and pawn shops are in a weird position where they they understand gold
and silver because they deal in a lot of jewelry and so i think they they had to understand the
market and then they yeah so that's i think quite how it emerges there but i think bitcoin is
different um but if you go with a bunch of open dimes and you're just like you know
got a bag full of open dimes yeah i think you'll have you'll have currency exchanges um like that
but i don't think they'll happen they'll need to happen as specifically as something like gold and
silver happens at a pawn shop i think it'll be just way more widely dispersed you won't even see
it just like i think i think the future will more more so be like we're you know people are
accepting bitcoin for goods and services and we're not uh translating bitcoin into dollars
i don't yeah i think yeah because it makes you wonder like what would you be trading it for right
yeah
maybe you'll
maybe you'll buy and sell gold
maybe you'll trade it for an ETF maybe
we'll see
I don't think so
or some Naka stock maybe
well
I'm just joking
alright let's go
into Kion's top stories
fear and loathing on the road to Pup Kion
this is from Sigi47
Kion what's this
Yeah, Siggy went back to PubKey, this time with other Bitcoiners he had met, like other Long Island Bitcoiners.
And he, I don't know, he animates the story very well.
They all went in a Tesla Model 3 with an old version of the self-driving software.
Did he buy a Tesla Model 3?
No, one of his friends that he went to PubKey with has a Model 3.
Wait, is that them right there?
Nope.
That's a picture, I think, from some famous people during Siggy's era.
He saw Eric Case on there.
And then they went to get pizza at John Pizzeria,
which apparently has existed since before the Depression.
And then Siggy said he took a nap in the car.
while his younger friends went and partied a bit,
which I thought was fun.
That's fun.
Yeah, I just thought it was, I like,
one of my favorite posts from Ziggy was his original PubKey post
the first time he went, which I thought he did a great job
of making me feel like I had been there.
Now I felt like I had traveled there with other Bitcoiners.
So I really.
Let's read his closing sentence.
Here on this story.
Go ahead and read it.
Here it is, since I can see it on my screen.
I think I've been to John's Peter.
It was just another night on the road to a new Bitcoin world.
That one?
That one.
Yeah.
She was going to read it.
No, it's okay.
She was having trouble finding it.
Thank you.
It was right on the screen.
You didn't think the part about him almost dying in a Tesla was the fun part?
You thought his nap was the fun part.
Yeah.
I believe the nap.
I didn't believe he almost died.
I think he was kind of exaggerating.
Wow.
I mean, he gave us a little bit of a trivia about a tunnel that I didn't know.
So that was cool.
The tunnel on the way.
Yeah.
He covered the Long Island Expressway, which they call lie.
The lie.
Yeah.
The lie.
Yeah.
Which he said is super dangerous.
I have never been anywhere over there.
in the northeast.
Really?
It's fun.
I'd like to go, yeah.
Just imagine like lots of gyms.
Okay.
Yeah.
Oh, you mean the people or the...
It reminds me.
Oh, I thought you did mean the place.
It reminds me.
Like I wish I would have been younger going there.
I would have much enjoyed it if I was younger.
Yeah.
Why?
Because you're...
Too old now.
Too old for all that razzle-dazzle.
I feel like Siggy.
I'm like, just leave me in the car.
I want to go to sleep.
But Siggy's going.
No, I'm saying after I eat pizza, I just want to go to sleep.
Oh.
Yeah.
Old man.
I'm an old man.
Okay.
But it's a lot of fun.
Just a lot of walking and...
You don't think Eric Kaysen gets on Snacker News at all, do you?
I would guess not.
He's too busy reading philosophy.
I don't know what he does.
I don't really know him.
You actually know him.
Well, that's all I know.
It seems like he reads philosophy more often than not.
And sometimes poetry.
That's what I gathered.
I just met him at Bitcoin Vegas.
Yeah, I've heard he's a cool guy from other people who have met him.
I haven't met him.
he seems
yeah he seems like a
character. I wonder where this photo
came from. Do you recognize this?
Yeah that's in Las Vegas.
Is that what the cover of the
It's Johnny Depp.
I think this was like probably from the poster.
The movie plays Hunter S. Thompson.
Okay. I should see that.
It's a good movie.
I don't remember it though as a kid.
It is a fun movie.
But he sort of a tour comes on there.
They both played drug-addicted journalists, I think.
I understood throughout the story that it was referencing that world.
I just haven't gotten very familiar with it.
His writing was like very...
But that was a really fun read from Siggy.
Yeah.
And I put it in the zine, and it was fun to do that too.
Cool.
Next, Keon's post is living, surviving in Venezuela.
Guillaume, what's this?
Yeah, B57 gave us an update on what's going on in Venezuela.
We've covered on previous podcasts that they are visiting family in Venezuela.
And as CAR browses the website, I'll go and see if I can find
on the actual posts we're talking about.
They're describing like power goes out very, very much more often.
Yeah.
there's a food there's not so much of a food shortage but there very well could be when they
were there there was a food shortage um yeah i said that they said that in the first four months
it would only go out a few times a month and more recently it's been like every other day the power
go out for four hours or so said most of the people who have um money they have solar panels
or they have generators that they use during that period of time.
So their own family has been using, like, rechargeable light bulbs,
which I didn't even know were a thing,
and then other things that are rechargeable
so that during those four hours they can still, you know, kind of be comfortable.
Yeah.
Yeah, and they link to their other posts about gas here,
which Cara is looking at,
where there's like state-sponsored gas that you can get at a lower rate
than you would from the market that a lot of people line up for.
You're like rationed gas.
Said the public health is about the same or worse than when they were there.
Said they're going to talk about salaries in a future post.
Yeah.
they said they're they're generating income in bitcoin which is pretty cool
uh so it's gotten worse he's saying has it gotten worse the power situation specifically but there
is there aren't issues with food currently which it sounds like b57 when they were living in
venezuela not just going back to visit and be with family that they might have had issues with food
gosh where's venezuela at again uh south america like south america it's
central america um i think it's the very northern part of south america gosh could be very wrong
where central america meets yeah okay but i also appreciated like they took time in this post
a few times to just like kind of count their blessings
and be like, you know, I don't have this, but I have this.
Could be worse.
Yep.
And I think if they weren't in Venezuela, back visiting Venezuela,
they had relocated to Peru.
So right here, they're just waiting for gas right here, huh?
Yep.
Propane, bro.
That natural gasolina.
That's wild.
so venezuela is yeah like i was saying um the very top of the south america continent uh
yes do you feel do you feel anything people have similar skin color as you
wait what are you trying to say is it easier for you to empathize with them
what do you mean what are you trying to say i don't understand what you're trying to say
I'm just talking trash dude
I feel like you're acting like that girl from the GQ commercial
I mean why not
no it's really sad dude
it's really sad
but they don't look sad
no they're taking it on the chin there keep going
I mean that's all you can do
you can't wait around for people to help you
you gotta help yourself
it's just weird because i'm curious like why like so who's just you said the state is dispersing the
gas there is that what you said i don't remember the specific post but yeah i think they said that
you can get gas at like a discounted rate i think in some cases for free
if you're and they like schedule you to show up to be able to get gas
and you can you can wait in line to get gas you have to be there they have like a certain
allotment of gas they give out in the day you have to be there i don't remember this post specifically
and they're paying for that the post i remember reading was car gas but and they're paying for it
too right i'm not sure they're paying for it in this case they might be in like that might be
what is attracting them to wait in line as they might be able to get free gas but why
doesn't the state have any gas though are they just mismanaging like
like are they just mismanaging like trade or like at a government level like what going on there I don know if there mismanagement Again I read that post when it was originally posted which was maybe a year ago or so but um i think it you know they
have a socialist government and so they're trying to they want to give people things for free
and it's hard to do that well um without running out of things because people will abuse
access to something that's free.
You're going to jump into
Pleb Poet Zine.
Or actually, should we go in your cartoon first?
Apparently she got added to a cartoon.
Yo, it's the
Stacker Saloon
with your favorites.
Is there who?
I was given
the honor and the privilege of
being added in here
as a mainstay.
Are you that old man?
I am the old man.
Thank you.
Satoshi?
Oh, there you go.
I see you right there.
You're right there.
Right there.
And there's also a camel in here, too.
I just shouldn't have that.
I don't know who the camel represents.
Or my old profile picture, which I don't have anymore.
Yeah, you're in there.
Maybe I should cut that out and post it in here.
Nice blockchain boog.
Why is DarthCoin at the top?
Do you know who the camel is supposed to be?
The camel.
I think it's a horse. I think it's Siggy.
It might be a donkey, actually.
Is it a camel, though?
It could be a horse.
But I just don't see any ears.
Is that E-tay back there?
Yeah, with the microphone and the mask on.
Wow. Where's Sox?
I don't see Sox. Sox is next to me.
Oh, wow. Sox is there.
Wow. Is he going to add more people
in here, or is he just...
There you go.
Wow. So he's adding more.
this is cool
really cool
he even got hustle in there too
yep
Kian are you looking forward to see who else he adds next
I'm less fascinated
by this than you are so
this was Pleb Poets post
this is not my post
oh
well I think we've covered it
I think Pleb Poe is also done discussing it
I don't know where you're asking me questions
like what is he going to do next
I don't know
okay apparently kian's not a fan zero expert corner i've no it's fine it's just like it's
not a fan what don't post anymore what is he gonna do about the cartoon apparently apparently
kian does not care about apparently kian they're giving the gas away for free apparently take him
out take him out in this post from a year ago zero x big corner doesn't want to be in socialism
work is he going to include a picture of socialism in here apparently kian doesn't care about the
cartoon. Take them out. And he's going to ask me
why I put Oprah in this post.
I'm not. I was just going to say
Stacker News in the wild. Here you go.
I made another
zine. It's number 34.
Why'd you
post Oprah in the feed?
Because we are celebrating
34.
Okay. And then I made that little video.
Check that out.
It's the stamp.
Oh man, did you put a really good
mics in there? I can hear the
thing.
Can you kind of
guess what sort of filter I used here?
Inspired by what movie do you
think? Seven?
Not that one. It has like a really dark
Fincher look to it. Right.
A recent movie. Yes.
It's a Fincher look.
Something David Fincher. It's
Oppenheimer.
No, it doesn't look like Oppenheimer.
that's what it was that's what's what the filter was called that i used nope not at all
um so uh i liked i liked it i like i thought it was a fun zine this week and um you can follow
all the links that are in here to buy one or just to read it um read the lame version
yeah if you just read it you're lame if you buy it i like you oh wow you have black friday deals
on here whoa that's from the agora that's their classifieds ad that they gave me that i ran
and there's also an ad there for the stacker muse that's crazy and get your swag they got whiskey
glasses with sn on it do you see that whoa it's pretty nice and i bet they still got those t-shirts
It's made by, what was that shop?
Lightning Store.
Yeah, designed by Lightning Store.
Crazy.
Sam.
But yeah.
Oh, and I would love any suggestions for something to do with the end of the year that can be fun for like the zine.
You know what I'm saying?
Whoa, okay.
maybe we can make like
wrapping paper
you should do a Christmas
you should do like a
Christmas Grinch or something
like a
I don't know
like a comic strip
I could do that
what if you just did like every week in December
like a Christmas movie
we could do a pop up tree
oh I like that
a pop up tree
I could make
I could make a Christmas tree with zines.
You know how they have the Christmas story?
Christmas tree out of zines.
Yeah.
Like the Christmas story?
We can't do a pop-up.
It would be like the stacker story?
Of a tree inside of the zine.
Oh, what the heck?
You ever done pop-ups before?
I have never done pop-ups, but my niece recently showed me how to.
Yeah.
Okay.
So we could do that.
That's some good ideas right there.
Shade shawl.
uh we're doing to meta key on what's this research in public yeah uh simple stacker
did some analysis looking for stacker news posts that maybe got um not enough credit for being good
and they did this by looking at all existing posts and selecting a few features of them that
they thought might indicate their quality and then the amount of sats that they got.
And so they analyzed all the posts on those features, determined the ones that had, that
ranked highly according to those features, but that weren't, didn't get the sats that
they should have as indicated by the rest of the data set and service those for us.
So SimpleStack are showing us what the magic you can do when you have all of these data analysis skills.
They did really cool things like generating embeddings from the content of the posts.
And then, yeah, doing other statistical analysis on them.
But, yeah, neat.
and I was like I was surprised that some of these posts that they
surfaced didn't get more attention
and yeah I thought
I'm surprised we missed them
cool I don't really know what I'm looking at here but
sounds good
the next one was
Econ Forever
yeah this is uh one of the top posts for the week and uh but as meta it talks about oh yeah
this is the one that undisciplined bought the uh territory in full yep i remember this one yeah he
paid the the once cost for it so they never have to get another billing notification um yeah which
is yeah i want to remove that i've talked several times about removing that option but while it's
there people can use it i'm not gonna what do you mean why why would you do that um i just don't
you know what happened what sometimes what has seemed to happen with some of these with some
people who buy who choose the once option as they pay they buy the territory and then they leave
uh they're like okay i got it they maybe they have aspirations but there's like nothing keeping them
they don't feel the need to maintain it it's kind of like you know it's really sad yeah it happens
so what are you saying so what are you saying i would prefer in many in some of these cases where
the person actually lacks interest in the community for it to just recycle back into the
go archives and then someone else can resurface it again we've seen that like with the christianity
territory it's gone through i think three or four so you're gonna close from people buying it is
what you're saying i don't think that's a good idea what should i let people buy territories
anymore yeah just not have not outright not not they can buy it and have it and just leave
like i don't want that so how are you going to be able to determine that though determine what
when people can buy it they won't be able to buy they wouldn't be able to buy the territory
outright they'd have to pay either monthly or yearly oh wow dang yeah but for now the option
exists and that is to plan until when until what until when until when what until when are you
stopping that i don't have a i don't have a time on a stop it every time i talk about stopping that
people are like no and then i don't do i don't yeah don't do that i would leave it open yeah i'll
probably remove it at some point so yeah but if you do remove it you need to give people well in
advance at least the territory owners because um yeah uh no i don't think i need to what you can't
just do that it's like saying like oh i don't yeah you can't do that you gotta let them know that hey
car do you ever hear about the word facetious
no
I don't know what that means
it's what Keon is being I'll tell you
what it means okay
yeah you should let people know if you're going to do that
at least give them a forewarning
but yeah
I was really surprised that he bought it I was like dang
he should have waited a week
what would have happened in a week
Bitcoin price would have dumped
I think he had
I think he was stacking sats on Sacker News
I was just kidding
but anyways
really cool
congrats on this play
we're going to jump into
YouTube comments apparently
they love the lava
custody
post yeah Mr. T thought it was worth a thumb
Mr. T thought it was worth a thumb
there you go
Mr. T all day
the square terminal
one you can't see it here but
they said the gentleman who is alone needs to fix his audio.
Yeah, that was my fault because
he uncovered it with his hat last week
so I couldn't see.
We got that fixed.
Car is the perfect producer.
And then
we have Blockchain Boog with the phone updates
and Discipline said
Texans are freedom LARPers
but they are serious about it.
That was his comment. You can't see that here.
Do you remember last week when you said
that you don't consider Texas as part of the
US?
I remember that
that's what Indiscipline said there
yeah you remember that though right
I don't recall saying that but if you said I did
I probably did
just imagine that you had said that
today you still stand by it
wait are you trying to trap me in something
no she's just trying to
because this is like in a response
like Indiscipline's comment here is in response
to you saying that
what did I say again Jeff
Texas is like it's own state
yeah you said you don't consider Texas as part of the US
I don't.
Yeah, I don't.
That sounds about right.
Yeah, what I'm saying is that Texas is actually full of LARPers,
and they actually think better themselves,
but they're cucked like every other state.
No, I disagree.
I think people that are outside of Texas think that.
But that's exactly what you would say if this were true.
They have never been living in Texas.
That's his accusation, though.
Don't they live in Canada or something, or is that just Great Ruby?
Hey, whoa.
Where does Discipline live?
In Canada, too?
We don't need to know.
You don't need to know.
Well, if he lives in Texas, then he would know.
He might be in Texas.
We'll never know.
I love you, Discipline.
Anyways.
Yeah, pretty cool.
That's all we got.
We're going to jump into...
Do I look like that lady a little bit?
What?
I guess the shape of my face is also like her.
No, you don't look like her at all.
Yeah, you have a similar face shape.
Yeah, face shape.
She's like 52.
Oh.
She's not 52.
Rude.
Yeah, she is 52.
Look at her.
That's rude.
She is, though.
She isn't 52.
Okay.
So you're saying you can look at a person and know their age?
That one specifically, yeah.
I would guess she's mid-30s.
How old is she, Jen?
Maybe.
I don't know.
I don't know by looking at her.
All right, let's scroll down.
she's in the video here.
I don't think she's going to list her age in the video.
No, but you'll see her when she moves.
Same time.
You can't know someone's age by looking at them.
So let me zoom in right here.
Right there.
How old is Sydney?
She says in the video.
But this one.
Okay, look at it.
So she's 28 and the other one is.
Oh, you know, she's not 52.
Whoa, look at that.
Let me see.
she's probably like
this is a new segment we could do
let's judge women
you asked her
how she looks
I don't think I did
I think you just asserted that you believed that she was 52
and I was questioning you on that
maybe it was just the cover art
that made her look real bad
what's going on with your camera right now
is it just because it gets dark in the background
yeah it makes me look like 57
like an angel
I can't say. Oh, right there. There you go.
How old does she look right there, Kiana?
Oh, maybe she's like 42.
Yeah, I think she's like mid-30s.
Oh, no.
Whatever she is, she's a reporter.
42. Yeah, she's about in her 40s.
Okay, let's see her.
Yeah, I was wrong. I shaved off 10 years.
What a relief.
Wait, you think you look like her?
Is that what you're saying?
I'm saying I had a similar face shape as hers.
And Kiana agreed.
so that's all i needed wow yeah i got you i could i could do shapes i know let's go into
the top cowboys
favorite uh segment so top cowboys yeah dude maybe we can get that journalist on
saccharine's what do you think oh yeah she'll she'll be on i mean we should at least get her
to create a profile and use that as a profile.
Do you think she'll do an AMA?
No.
I'm pretty sure she won't.
But I also don't know what other people are going to do.
Look at all the great things we've said about her in this podcast.
Yeah, she might.
Will you ask her if she's 50 years old?
Oh, that's rude.
Oh.
Okay.
Anyway, yeah, Cowboys.
Yeehaw.
We have lots of Cowboys here.
scoresby's gone up in the ranks quite a bit
back of ellie 23 i think coins reporter lost theirs they were saying
why it's shot 256 million yeah coins reporters way down there
look at me right there wow you're ahead of coins reporter for the time i have a
new avatar too and everything wow because somebody deleted ours
yeah i've i apologize is that enough for that
um i lost my cowboy hat so i'm not up there he lost something
coin fabulator now how did not get his oh i guess everybody re-uploaded theirs it's hard to tell
everybody who everybody is i know yeah like if you're if you identify them by the pictures i don't
know anybody is tricky i mostly do the names fortunately but some of them got them back oh
there's carter it's kind of interesting you can tell who doesn't who hasn't updated their profile
it's like a cleansing aardvark i don't even recognize him anymore
Oscar
I put
your avatar's off
oh I'm down there
oh I literally
just fixed it
yeah but it's off
though it's like
she's actually just
oh there it goes
yeah I was gonna say
it's miscentered
thanks
there it goes
oh Justin put his
his back
there he is
sucks
like a hard working man
and
that's pretty much it
Corey from San Diego
there you go
the last one is
brett who's brett he's earth yeah i guess that's maybe he's somewhere in that picture oh real bitcoin
dog right there have you read his post yet um no i'm saving it for maybe like a special day maybe
you know when my birthday comes around it's this one right here i think
no i guess he took it out wow oh wait is it this one there you go there it goes that's the one that
You keep insisting I read.
Yeah.
Did you ever read that one?
Janet?
You could say yes.
Oh, there you go.
I read some of it.
Oh, cool.
I thought it was great.
Real Bitcoin Docs doesn't update his profile pic either.
A lot of people have updated their profile pic.
Watch in Booghouse.
Cool.
That's pretty much everything.
That's the show today.
Good job.
What are you doing this weekend?
I have no plans
I'm gonna
I've been watching Star Trek Voyager
because I've moved on from Star Trek Next Generation
which is kind of
you know it's kind of okay
Next Generation was way better
but
yeah
that's about
those are my detailed plans that I have
they're coming out with a new Stargate I heard
oh
who needs that though
I used to watch Stargate
I think when I was a kid, I watched, there was one of them that was pretty good.
SG1?
Oh, no, Stargate.
Stargate, Stargate.
I thought, yeah.
For some reason, I confused it with...
All the other ones?
Something else.
Yeah.
I like Stargate the best, I think.
Yeah, Stargate's the one with robots, right?
No, it's the one with the Stargate.
Oh, yeah, then I don't like Stargate.
Yeah.
Battlestar Galactica is the one I confused it with.
I like Battlestar Galactica.
That one always felt too fake.
okay yeah uh but yeah they have a lot of star trek stuff and so i watch a lot of star trek
how about you guys what are you guys up to yeah what are you up to i think i will i think i will
watch a movie oh cool at some point this weekend um any suggestions
i don't know ours more of a movie guy which one would you like oh you know what
your internet connection has not gone down trying to think the car is just thinking
for a little bit keep going um besides that i am going to print some bags that are going to go to
taipei for bitcoin plus plus and what's in there what are the goodies i don't even know but something
good i just know about the outside of the bags it's gonna say bitcoin plus plus on it uh-huh
um that's pretty much my plans right there so she's gonna watch a movie once car
try to think i don't got anything it's got a sister it depends what you want to watch
yeah i guess i got action drama suspense i never want to watch action i never really want to watch
suspense either. I don't
want to feel anxious on purpose.
So like
drama then? So drama.
Drama.
Was there something this year? What's a movie like?
That's like one of them.
Other than I know you like Before Sunset.
Yeah. Sunrise.
Something like Before Sunrise. Oh that's what you should
watch. Oh what's a Linklater movie I haven't seen?
Okay.
Do they make that here?
Yeah. You'll see all of Austin.
Cool. Alright. It's such a
slow movie but it's like all right for sure sweet is ethan hawk in it actually he's not
that's okay you saw boy you saw this boy you saw that one right yeah yeah yeah yeah that one
all right yeah slacker's a good one yeah i would say slacker nice yeah we solved it what are you
doing this weekend car probably working probably working yeah okay working working working um not
a lot of plans well work is fun work is fun sometimes i'm glad to get through this week
man it's been a long stressful week but i'm glad to get to the finish line which is today
it's friday
yeah you can do that at the end of every day every day of the week can't you
no man yay no one ever says that yeah but no one ever says that you're crazy
I literally just make that lady's face
I don't like Mondays
Mondays is like my least favorite day
I like Tuesdays
and Fridays
and Saturdays
I think we just call them different names
I really just don't like Mondays and Wednesdays
even when I was growing up
why what happened to you
on Mondays and Wednesdays
I just don't like them
I'm just like Mondays
yeah I just like Garfields
Well, why is Tuesday great?
I don't know. I just always loved Tuesday.
It's Taco Tuesday.
That's why.
Taco Tuesday.
Probably, that's probably why.
I just know Carl loves tacos.
That's something I know personally about Carl.
I do.
It's one of my favorite things in the world.
Racially, he prefers them.
Dude, I can't make so many tacos.
Anyways, stackers, you have a great weekend.
Enjoy it with your friends and family.
Oh, also have a great Thanksgiving.
We're going to be recording next Friday, right?
Oh, Black Friday.
And it's going to be episode 200.
Shut up.
Next time.
That's crazy.
Right?
Because you put number 199 on this one, so I assume.
It is going to be 200.
Yeah.
There you go.
Happy Thanksgiving.
I'm thankful for 200 episodes.
There you go.