live from plan lab in austin texas this is stacker news live
hello ladies and gentlemen welcome back to another exciting episode of stacker news live
Yeah, Keon. How was your week?
Hello. My week was good. I don't remember anything from it.
It was a short week, wasn't it?
Did it feel like a short week? Yeah, because of the winter storm.
Yeah, I guess so. Maybe cold makes time travel different.
I don't know. Tuesday felt like three days in one or something.
Tuesday was so busy.
Were you busy on Tuesday?
We did have a lot of folks here, I guess so.
Yeah. I don't know.
Yeah, it was busy for me.
It felt kind of usual to me, but yeah, it was cold, and that was fun, and different environment.
Looks like everybody's in El Salvador this weekend for the Plan B thing.
I did see a little bit of that.
Yeah, I'm surprised there's no, I don't see any videos or anything like that, but I guess it's not being streamed or televised.
Might not be televised, I guess.
I encountered it because I think Bitcoin Plus Plus posted something from Man Boss.
They released some exchange.
Oh, I saw that.
Yeah, Christopher sent me that earlier this week.
They launched something called...
RealX?
I don't know if I can find it.
I don't know what it is.
Yeah, I don't know what it is.
They call it an exchange, but maybe it's like...
Is it like Bolts maybe is an exchange?
Christopher, you got to come on and explain what this is next time.
Yeah, you have to be in...
Is he in Austin?
No, I'm saying he should just come on, like, on the show.
Oh, okay.
Cool.
Yeah, if you've never seen this crazy show before, it's called Stacker News Live.
We cover the front page of Bitcoin.
And if you go to YouTube, where people are still subscribing for some reason,
I told you to stop, but people keep subscribing.
That's not down? That number isn't down?
Nope.
They keep doing it for some dumb reason.
We need to keep our unsubscribe campaign going.
We need to be more firm about it.
Yeah.
Anyways, if you've never seen the show, check out the videos.
Womble makes some really cool clips every week.
He did a Lucy one, which I thought was funny.
But the most popular Womble clip last week was the Michael Saylor one.
Apparently, that one got a lot of views with the kids.
People just love Saylor, man.
I guess so.
I don't think they...
You can just throw Sailor's face on any video and it'll just get like more than 100 views.
Or this one's close to it, but it doesn't matter.
I wonder what they thought of the actual video, though.
Did we even get any comments on that one?
I don't know.
I have to look at the end.
We'll go over the comments at the end.
We did get a comment on that one.
But I definitely think he's just like the Elon Musk of Bitcoin, basically, at this point.
Where he's just a face.
Yeah, and he's just moving money around rather than sending things into space.
But anyways, check out that if you want to.
And there's some other videos.
And, yeah.
We're going to jump into the top three stories this week on Stacker News Live.
The third top story this week is Zeus, Ellen Zeus.
Is that a misspell?
Release V010.1.
No, hang on.
Let me start again.
Zeus, Ellen Zeus, release V0.12.2.
This is from 0xBitCorn, aligning territory, 19 comments, 5,648 sets.
Key on.
What's Evan up to these days?
Yeah, it looks like another minor release of Zeus.
I guess the headline features are that they added legacy support for South African QR codes,
I guess, like pick and pay, money badger.
Is that the ones that they use?
The M-Pesa?
Is that what it's called?
The one with the phone?
M-Pesa, I think, is a CBDC out of Kenya, I believe.
This is a pick and pay, the large grocery retail chain in South Africa,
accepts Bitcoin via Money Badger.
And what Money Badger does is they somehow wrap the pick and pay invoice,
but it does kind of a weird thing where it gives you a URL in the QR code
rather than a Lightning invoice or even an LNURL.
And so Zeus has now been adapted to support that.
I guess Money Badger maybe can upgrade those systems or something.
That was one thing they added.
Lots of commits, lots of contributors.
And then I think the other headline feature was that they added an activity view
for your NWC and Zeus.
Oh, really?
I think there are a few other more kind of nuanced things.
I guess it doesn't do an Express GraphSync by default anymore.
It turns it on when you make your first payment,
which might improve, I guess, probably, like, the onboarding
for people who are using the app for the first time.
But those are, I think, the main ones that I could pick out.
From this release.
Yeah, there's so many options in the settings now.
Yeah.
Interesting.
And even in tools.
What's the difference between tools and settings?
In a Lightning Wallet, Keon.
If I had to guess, tools are things that actively do things.
So you hit a button and stuff happens.
So the Noster Wallet connects services and tools.
Yeah.
So it probably creates a, it's like kind of something, I guess, that's like sort of outside,
like a sort of an active experience rather than a passive one, which is the settings
and kind of happens in the background.
Tool is something, I guess, you more interact with.
That's how I would guess.
You even have a currency converter in here and these tools.
Dividing them.
That's cool.
I guess I just never looked at the tools.
Very powerful pro wallet.
Yeah.
Cool stuff.
Check it out, stackers.
We have any comments in the top comments?
Top one was from Evan.
He said, I think it's pretty good.
Very humble Bitcoin.
Glad he agrees with himself.
Jason B. said Zeus plus Money Badger equals fire, fire, fire.
Jason B. who just went to South Africa for a few months.
Oh, yeah.
And then Blockchain Boo just said Money Badger.
It is a great name.
I meditated on how good that name was.
Jason B?
No, Money Badger.
Money Badger, oh.
Rather than Honey Badger?
No, no, I got it.
I got it.
Oh.
Cool stuff.
All right, let's jump into the number two top story this week.
I think I hit back.
Yeah, I did.
The number two top story this week is,
Can a Bitcoin Standard Improve Animal Welfare and Analysis?
This is from Simple Snacker.
January 28th in the Bitcoin Beginners Territory of Books and Articles,
territory, politics and law territory,
animal world territory. I'm going to keep reading out
these territories, so if you guys
do 20, I'm going to say them all.
13 comments, 5,828
sets. Keon!
What's this?
So Simple Stacker
asked himself, or I guess at one point
was wondering if Bitcoin
fixes animal welfare.
And he said he couldn't really find anything.
and so he
did the work himself
so
some of the stats that he found were that
775,000
animals are used for
research in the United States each year
not including
the lower animals
mice and rats and birds
and fish and reptiles
I guess and insects too
so if you do research on those you don't even report it
to the government
and you can just do, I guess, probably mostly whatever you want with them.
But for higher animals, like dogs and cats and things like that, you report it.
So 775,000 of those animals are researched on per year.
And then of those animals, 240,000 are used in experiments that result in pain.
And 12,000 of those are dogs and 3,000 of those are cats.
and then
about a fifth of those
no attempt is made
to minimize
the pain
during those experiments
so you know chopping
parts off
stitching on extra limbs or whatever
they do in these experiments
he covers one in the scandalous
examples where they took beagles
and they put their head
in a flea infested
chamber. And I think they kind of left them there for quite a long time. Anyway, so
this happens a lot. We do a lot of animal research on including lower animals. It's like 100 million
a year in the United States by some estimates and 200 million worldwide. And so does Bitcoin fix this?
If the government goes on a Bitcoin standard, can we expect this to end or at least get much smaller?
and Sibylstacker thinks so.
He thinks a lot of this research is,
and a lot of this research is,
funded by the government,
and it's funded by the government
because the government funds most research,
but in the case where it's privately funded,
there is accountability and reputation
tied to the research.
So if I'm a private,
if I'm like a makeup manufacturer
manufacturer and I want to do research on dogs,
like putting eye shadow on dogs and seeing if it causes rashes or whatever.
Why would they do that on dogs, though?
I don't know.
I think there are reasons to do some of this research on higher life forms.
I don't know why, but this is just a toy example.
There should be some balances and checks and stuff,
because somebody's got a question.
Somebody gets in the lab for a long time and you start seeing weird crap.
So maybe they're just like going a little bit neurosis.
Is that a word?
Neurotic?
Neurosis are, I think, describe worries and concerns.
It's like, yeah, we better check it on this dog.
Oh, they need neurosis or they have?
They have neurosis, I think.
Well, if they had neurosis, they probably wouldn't lead them to do research on dogs.
but to continue with my example if i'm doing research on if i'm a makeup manufacturer i'm
doing research on dogs with my makeup and it leaks to the public that i'm doing that i likely
lose customers um you know if we found that l'oreal had a huge plant where they were doing research on
dogs and killing dogs and causing them a bunch of pain i'm pretty sure l'oreal would cease to exist
and so that's kind of his point is on a bitcoin standard the government has less money they're
not funding research it's research that has no accountability well just to add like it's probably
cost more money to store the dogs the animals why they're just trying on humans right like
or is that the wrong thing to say because like everybody needs jobs these days
wouldn't it make more sense just trying on they do they do do research on humans but
it's usually like the last stage of research that i think we should early up the stages maybe right
I think we consider it even more unethical to pay someone to be...
Oh, yeah, I guess that's wrong, right?
Yeah, if we're going to cause serious permanent harm to humans...
That looks terrible, dude.
Yeah.
Does that mean they're dead?
No, that's their head in a net with a bunch of fleas.
Oh, man, dude.
I love puppies.
Yeah, so he concludes because the government is more constrained
that they're not going to fund research that has no accountability,
And therefore, the research that does exist will exist primarily in the private sector.
And because the private sector has a reputation, like people in the private sector have a reputation maintained to keep their businesses going,
they are less likely to engage in the harmful kinds of animal research that has no merit, especially.
Like a lot of research, you can point to a lot of research that seems like it has nearly no point except to satisfy someone's curiosity.
and they don't mind that it's harming animals in the process.
Well, top comment was from Siggy47.
It said, excellent posts.
Don't think I don't know what you're doing.
This one might actually be good enough for a grand slam.
What is he implying there?
Oh, the cross-posting.
Okay, I get you.
Yeah, it was a lot of cross-posts.
Okay, next one was from Undisciplined.
I'm not a public choice expert,
but I think they frame your arguments slightly differently.
Government actors lacking profit and loss feedback do not perceive value in the same way as market entrepreneurs.
So it's not that they'd be better at choosing socially valuable projects under hard money constraints.
Yeah, he's totally right on that.
Yeah.
I see the benefits coming from these two mechanisms.
Most of these unethical research projects are peripheral to the goals of state actors.
So they'll prioritize other probably unethical stuff that matters more to them.
And then two, with near certainty, state activities generate economic losses.
Therefore, fewer state activities equals reduced losses.
What does he mean by that?
That last second part.
What does he mean by this?
With near certainty, fewer losses.
He's just saying the government is bad at spending money.
Yeah.
He's saying, yeah, okay, I got you.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think he's dead on with this part.
This, because, right, like, yeah.
Yeah, they definitely think about things differently.
that was a point that Simple Sackra made in the post where a lot of the people who are getting
grants, they're not getting grants because they're, he argues that they're not getting grants
because the value of the work, or that has high market value. They're getting grants because
they have relationships with the grant giving people, and the grant giving people are, or the
grant giving people want to see those market outcomes, even if like the general market is not
interested in it and so it it has it's not necessarily bad that grants are given out but
it does it is not identical the same amount of money being spent by the market like the outcome
cje95 said did you happen to run across the number of animals that might be used
for say medical research of some sort of diseasing dogs compared to the ones used for
the other ones like exposing them to chemicals so it's actually no i only saw high level
aggregate statistics total number
for the breakdown. It's wild.
Yeah.
You got anything else on this? This is a really
depressing post, but
sometimes you got to see the
horrors. Yeah.
It all be suns and roses
and flowers.
A lot of the conclusion hinges
on the government eventually accepting Bitcoin
a Bitcoin standard, and I'm
skeptical of that outcome.
I think a lot of
things need to happen for that
to happen and i don't know it seems unlikely all right the number one
top story this week is trip report i'll i should be able to read this but i want to butcher it
this is from leo january 26 travel territory 21 comments 14,900 cents kio this is your homeland
Where did he go?
Or where did they go?
Or she go?
Or them?
Or it?
Or that bot go?
Whoever it is, where'd they go?
Thank you for enumerating all the possible.
There's so many different, you know, things these days.
Genders and identities.
I mean, who knows?
I know.
I know Leo.
I've met Leo several times.
They work at Lightning Labs.
Oh, nice.
And they also.
Shout out Leo.
Zap him.
Pay him in Lightning.
He also travels pretty consistently and does these trip reports.
Oh, is he the technical writer at Money Labs?
Oh, I've met him before.
Oh, hey, what's up, Leo?
Yeah.
I think he does a lot of Bitcoin stuff and is a big part of a Bitcoin community.
I don't know if it's public, but in the world.
Anyway, he goes to Ila Mujeres, which translates to the Island of Women,
which sounds like a pretty nice place if you ask me.
And it's right outside of Cancun in the Caribbean.
So you were near there recently, Carr.
Cancun?
This is the, Hila Bitcoin is located here,
which is started by, or championed, I'm not sure,
by Isabella Santos, who is the pretty woman you see
doing Bitcoin, like at the big dollar Bitcoin events,
doing things and like being a host and an emcee oh yeah it's right there next marita
yeah dude i wonder how fun how long that drive is he said it's you don't it's like you can take a
ferry straight from oh a train right straight from the airport yeah he said it's like really
he took a train for like somewhere around here or something when we were in the yucatan
said it was really it's a beautiful area dude like this whole area is so beautiful man
yeah and the people are so tiny too that's why i like if you can just pick them up
anyways
how many people
did you pick up
no
you never know
they're like
these days
they're like Mayans
you know
they can throw a brick
at you or something
yeah
put a curse on you
no they're all super nice
but they're super
short people
anyways
tell me more
yeah
so he goes
to
Hila Mujeres
and tries to be
tries to spend
bitcoin there
that's what he usually
does on his trip reports
and reports on that
and I guess
he
he had
about the usual amount of luck that he would have
where he goes to most merchants
and the employees there don't know how to...
Oh, there's an airport there, too.
...work a Bitcoin terminal.
It's likely a private airport for small aircraft, I would guess.
I don't know.
That looks pretty long strip, Keon.
Do you know...
Are you familiar with a lot of airport?
I don't know, but I watch a lot of airplane disaster stories
and whenever they show the plotting and stuff like that...
Relative to me, you might be an expert.
I'm not an expert, but I put a lot of hours...
watching those Mayday episodes.
But this looks like a good strip right here.
This is what you want.
Okay.
I need a plane.
Anyways, go for it.
Yeah.
So he tries to spend Bitcoin
and he has the usual experience
where most of the employees working at establishments
claim to accept Bitcoin
are unfamiliar with how to accept Bitcoin.
Another common experience he has there,
which I hadn't heard him describe before,
is that the Bitcoin device is like a separate device
that they use.
and because it's so infrequently used,
it's usually dead when they go to use it.
So even if the employee is familiar with accepting Bitcoin,
the device itself is dead.
And I guess there were a few occasions
where he got some feedback from one of the managers.
I think he said that he would use Bitcoin more,
they would accept Bitcoin
if they had a dedicated point of sale system for it.
Yeah.
Which I think is kind of,
I think it's the wrong solution to the right problem.
I think it's hard to use.
I'm not sure what point of sale is the solution.
So just real quick, they have this blue little thing.
It's like a blue little calculator,
and that's what they use to run all the cards in Mexico,
like in some of the places where they're just villages or whatever.
They'll have that, and then you'll be able to pay tap to pay or whatever.
They need to build one of those, but with a Bitcoin node, basically.
You know what I mean?
That would be cool.
It would just be like an NSE tap or something with your Zeus wallet
or whatever wallet you're using.
I would imagine someone's tried this already,
but you remember like the early Square device
where you plugged it into your headphone jack?
Yeah.
That was like the Do you remember I used to use it in PlugLab in 22 Oh we still using it Yeah we were using that Yeah they give them away for free I had one of my friends who worked at Square give me one
Anyway, yeah, so he has mixed success.
He does spend quite a bit of Bitcoin.
And something like high-level notes,
most of the merchants are using,
I think all of them that he describes are using custodial wallets.
So Blink or Wallet of Satoshi, I think, are the only real wallets that come up.
I think one of them tried to use a wallet that had on-chain that he said he couldn't even identify.
He said some of them were very hard to reach, and he had to pay quite high fees.
And then he had some success using Bitcoin ATMs there, which is another thing he tends to try.
When he's there, he spends Bitcoin and tries to get local currency out.
These tacos look so good, bro.
Look at those.
Yeah, he did say they were great, and he said he had a good time with that merchant spending
Bitcoin.
That's pastore.
This one looks like bistec or some kind of gardener.
This looks like chicken.
Looks like cauliflower.
Dude, look at that.
Look at that.
Oh, man, that looks so good.
They even put the cabbage on there.
Those are homemade tortillas, too, Keon.
Wow.
It was a little truck.
He has, I think, a picture.
What is this one?
Is this potatoes?
Yep.
Sweet potatoes?
No, those are...
Potatoes and cheese.
He might be at a Bitcoin cafe.
Is that a sandwich or something?
I don't know where he's at.
Is that red stuff?
Oh, that looks like it's a salsa.
I'm not sure about this one.
Oh, that's a breakfast.
That's a breakfast sandwich.
What do you rate it on a scale of one to ten?
I mean, I'm not going to pass that up,
but I don't think that would be my first choice.
I would get these tacos first.
Okay.
Those are the ten.
I would get like seven of those tacos.
Okay, that's a seven.
What's a ten taco then?
Just these.
I mean, dude, like, these look like I'm in heaven.
I can eat this every day.
Like, I mean, can't you?
No?
Oh, absolutely, yeah.
I can eat that every day, and I'm happy, man.
It looks pretty great.
I'd be pretty happy.
So you're moving to Hila Mujeres?
No, no, we're never.
Oh, okay.
But, yeah, that looks like there's Terminal right there.
Yeah, this place accepts Bitcoin.
It might be somewhere that he had some success.
I think he did say, mentioned he had success at a bar buying a beer.
Yeah.
So
Take Amex
What's this one?
Oh, that's cool
Churros cart
Are those churros?
I don't see any outside
Oh, they're right there on the bottom
Oh, they're right here on the bottom
Yeah
I like a good churro
Who doesn't?
Yeah
If you don't like churros, I don't trust you
That's what I say
You know, surprisingly
I don't see any churros carts in Austin
I know, it's not very popular
They're actually
I mean, you see them like with the pizza
Like Jets pizza and stuff like that
But you never see them like
outside of the yeah you don't have like a dedicated churro like this guy's not out there
saying get us churros you know the burger place that i talk about that has a burger of the month
currently they have a churro uh shake yeah you know what i would like to see i would like to see
like a churro corn dog i think that'd be amazing oh we put a weenie inside the churro
i see you're getting you're getting like breakfast lunch and dinner in that thing and dessert yeah
It's basically like a pancake.
You ever have those pancake sausages that they sell in the frozen food?
It's like that, but it's like a churro version of it.
But I want it like this dude making it.
I want him making that churro dog.
Oh, yeah.
You want the real deal, the homemade.
Churros need more dog.
All right.
Cool stuff.
We got it from Winter Yeti.
Winter Yeti said, been there twice myself.
Great location away from the slog of Cancun itself.
The beach is restored.
They were badly damaged by a hurricane the last time I was there.
And Leo said, yeah, the beach is both on the island and the Playa de Carmen were in good shape.
Do they name it after Ben Carmen?
I would have to check, but it's possible.
Dang, that's crazy.
Or maybe the spelling's off, yeah.
Yeah, but.
I was going to say, that'd be incredible.
Maybe he visits and then they just start naming things after.
Maybe Ben was conceived on that island.
So maybe he was named after that beach.
That'd be hilarious.
We love you, Ben.
Siggy 47, great report.
I have been there twice, but not since Iza Opener Cafe.
Iza?
Hila.
Or no, what's her name?
Isabel.
Isabel Opener Cafe.
I'm hoping to visit again soon.
Yeah.
Pretty crazy stuff.
Yeah, man.
Definitely want to go visit.
Keon, you going?
Oh, I'd love to.
I need to get on a beach with some sun.
For sure, dude.
I don't know.
So I can't afford it, but.
Yeah, you should.
I'd love to go.
Yeah.
Let's jump into some Wumble's Picks.
Wumble's Picks.
Pickity Picks.
Wumble's Picks.
Wumble's Picks this week is current tax policies are the biggest obstacle to BTC payments, says CryptoExec.
This is from Scoresby.
29 comments, 102 boost, 1331 sets.
Key on.
What's this?
Yeah, I guess Pierre Oshard was tweeting about Bitcoin not succeeding as a medium exchange because of tax policy.
And then James O'Byrne followed up and then Scoresby found it.
And I guess Cointelegraph also found it.
That's more or less what it's all about, is that the argument is, or the theory for why Bitcoin medium exchange has not taken off yet,
is because even for small denominations of Bitcoin,
when you spend it, it's a tax event.
And that's a plausible explanation
for why Medium Exchange hasn't taken off.
I think Wombo asked us a question about that.
Wombo's question was, let me go back.
Wombo's question was,
so which do you think is holding Bitcoin back,
tech or taxes?
Keon, what do you think it is?
Tech or taxes?
So I have a few theories about this.
For me, it seemed like around 2022 or so,
meeting or exchange on Bitcoin,
the steam was picking up quite a bit.
And then there was like a massive cooling.
And so the theory that it's like taxes
doesn't exactly make sense to me
because the tax situation existed prior to 2022.
So why was it picking up steam in that environment if the explanation was –
Custodial wallets.
And so I think the – you know, there are a few theories I personally have about why this could be.
And it could be a plurality of things.
But one of – you know, taxes could be one because around that time,
that is when the government seemed to be cracking down or seemed to be –
Taking notice.
Yeah, being kind of aggressive with the ecosystem.
And so that might have scared people away, and taxes might be a component of that.
But we also had an exodus of Wallet of Satoshi and Phoenix from the United States,
you know, anticipating getting cracked down on.
And that might have cooled down the tech, because it's like, if you're a developer in Bitcoin...
Do you want to go to jail?
Yeah, maybe it's not reasonable to build directly on Bitcoin anymore,
because you're going to have to contend with these things.
And so that might be one explanation.
Another thing that happened around that time was AI really started popping off.
And so maybe that sucked out a lot of Bitcoin developers and the tech got stale.
Another thing that happened around that time was Jack Dorsey airdropping helicopter money on developers.
Oh, for Nostra?
For Nostra and I think for just Bitcoin in general.
But if that is the cause of this, the theory would be that it sucked them away from more direct Bitcoin development.
Because now you can build, I think the argument is more or less, you can build a Nostra app, just a duplicate of anything that else exists on the internet.
And it's also a Bitcoin app because you can add zaps to it.
And so there's a lot of theories potentially for...
I think for me, I'm only going to go to one point because this is the one that I constantly work on all the time, all day,
is that I felt like in 21, 22, we saw this big fintech boom just as far as like a deployment of capital.
And a lot of it was going towards lightning companies and infrastructure and stuff like that and some other really cool stuff.
And then shortly right after that, it kind of slowed down, right?
Like you said, the AI thing kind of took off.
And so you see less and less companies getting created.
So I don't know.
I think the way that you solve a lot of this stuff is just through more Bitcoin companies, more lightning companies, getting them to build.
I mean, why did the Internet take off?
Right.
Why did that become a thing for society?
It was because the boom that happened in 1999 with the dot com stuff.
And then shortly after that, with like what YC was doing and then shortly after that with the iPhone.
So for me, I see it more like we just need more Bitcoin companies, more Lightning companies.
Okay, so you think it's a tech issue?
Is that what it is?
Oh, yeah, I think it's a tech issue.
Okay.
Yeah, then that would be your side.
I would say I don't think it's a tech issue.
I think it's like a mixture of regulatory and economic incentives kind of playing out.
I also think, and this is more probably a contrarian take, so apologies to it, right?
disagree with me.
But I also think to a certain extent
having a tax policy in place
does keep the hodlers. It's like 70%
of the on-chain stuff
is hodled. So I definitely think that
keeps that in check.
But that's just more car take.
I see. You think if we
added these de minimis tax
exemptions then we'd get more
It's a contrarian take. I mean this is
why SNL right? Every week
you're here for stuff like this.
So I will say that.
So it's good for a price.
I'm saying it's good for – it keeps the hollers in check, in my opinion.
But that's a contrarian take.
But should they be in check?
Is it good for them to not spend back?
I don't know.
I just have takes.
That's it.
I got no proof to back this up other than what I see.
Shoot it for the hip.
Wumble likes this stuff.
This is what gets clipped, man.
That's cool.
That's Wumble's Picks.
Tune in next week for more exciting items like this from Wumble's Bag of Picks every week.
You think Wumble's Picks is going to eventually take over the show?
If you let it.
I know.
I need to slow my enthusiasm around Wumble's Picks.
Hark it back a little bit to the early days of Wumble's Picks.
All right.
Let's jump into...
Let's just jump in there.
Let's go with the Keon's post.
Keon loves Ray Dalio, so Ray Dalio's comments on the beginning of a new Civil War.
Keon, why do you want to talk about this today?
It's not that I want to talk about it.
I just thought it was good.
It occupied some of my mental bandwidth for the day, I think, when Elvis posted this.
But Ray Dalio posted a section or some chapters from his book, I think, The Changing World Order.
or that might be the book he referenced here,
after the Minneapolis stuff unfolded.
I wasn't exactly following that news, but it was hard to avoid,
where I think two people have died in Minneapolis in anti-ICE protests,
getting shot by ICE enforcers or whatever they're called.
And so Dalio shares these chapters in the book
to, and points to, I think, stage six or five, which is as, you know, which is the current
world order is kind of collapsing, and a new world order is coming over, like, I think
there are six stages, and so we're, I think he says we're transitioning into, from stage
five to stage six, I'm getting the stages right, which is where violence occurs.
internal tension, internal violence,
and then eventually external violence,
I think is the final stage.
Yeah, I thought that was...
I read as...
This was like pre-print
when Dalio was publishing drafts of it.
I was reading this back when that was happening,
and I enjoyed it.
Is it like his own version of Sovereign Individual or something?
Is that what he's doing here?
I didn't read the article.
or? It's kind of like that. I would say more than sovereign individual, it's kind of grounded in
like historical cycles. Sovereign individual is a little more hand wavy. I think if you
if you like probe Dalio and questioned him, he could actually go back and have a clear line of
reasoning. I'm not, you know, sovereign individuals seem to be very like predict, like seem to do a
good job of predicting the future. But I'm not sure. That might have been, it seemed kind of
vibes. It seems like they were on the wavelength. They kind of understood it. I'm not sure how well
it was backed by research. Dalio has been doing this for a long time to try to direct his, I think
he's like the largest head fund in the world. And so these very large macro trends interest him a lot.
And he's now sharing like some of the conclusions that he think might be useful
with people, and he does so in these books.
Yeah, I got nothing on this.
I can give my usual Dalio take, but...
What's your usual Dalio take?
I'm trying to be better.
I don't even remember your usual Dalio take.
I mean, look at last year's SNL around this time.
There was a Dalio post, too, that we probably talked about.
And then look at the year before that, too.
There was a Dalio post.
Does it mean he's wrong, or it means...
I think it's just the same song, just different tape.
The same...
Same song, just a different tape.
Just on a different...
I actually don't think it's the same song.
I mean, I haven't read the article.
I'll go and read it.
I think it's the same tape, different song.
There you go.
So he's basically, you know, before, maybe last year,
he was like, we're at stage three or four.
And now he's like, we're at...
I feel like I would remember him saying stages.
Because that's what stuck out right now
when you were explaining this to me.
The stages have always been there.
So they've been there since...
Well, I remember him talking about the world order changing.
But he also predicted, like back in, was it 21, 22, he was predicting heavy on China and saying that China was going to take over the world.
I don't know if you remember that.
No, that's at the very end of the stage when the world order actually changes.
We're not there yet.
Oh, he's still predicting China's going to take over the world.
Okay.
Just want to make sure.
Yeah, there'll be the new world power, is his prediction.
Yeah.
You don't think so?
I just don't have a take on this because it's just like, you know, it's kind of the guy that's like always screaming at the cloud.
And then it's like, after a while, you're just like, okay, keep screaming at the cloud.
I'll see you next year.
But I don't know.
I'm kind of one of those guys that just, until I see some actual proof.
But it looks like in here he outlines some proof.
So I'll go and read it and see if it's any different than the year before.
But I feel like around Davos, this is when we get the Ray Dalio take,
and then we don't see him for the next, he's like the groundhog, right?
It's like you won't see him for another 10 months.
That's Carr's take that Keon made me say, even though I didn't want to say it.
Well, I just wanted to, I don't remember your take.
I knew it would probably be anti-Dalio.
It's not anti-Dalio.
It's just...
So we'll be here again in 2027.
Somebody set a reminder.
2027, we'll be here talking about the next...
The new, new Civil War from Ray Dalio.
Or whatever he's talking about.
Trying to take it over.
Until he gets it right.
I hope he gets it right one day.
I'm rooting for him.
Top comment was from Coop?
What did you say here?
Oh, yeah.
I was saying how it does seem like I saw tribal tensions rise more recently.
And specifically, I encountered someone who was kind of parroting white nationalist sort of talking points,
like marrying politics and racism a little more than I was expecting.
And so I do think there is a reach for a tribe
and a general anxious kind of negative sentiment,
which has people reaching for tribes.
In this case, this was just one instance, but I found it weird or notable.
Yeah, then we got Simple Sacker said, I think Taco will hold.
I see Trump backing down in Minneapolis.
I hope he does.
So it looks like there's a lot of comments, a lot of spicy comments.
This is one if you guys want to check it out.
But yeah, we'll be back here next year for Ray Dalio's take in 2027.
See you there.
The next one that you had was Africa's Countries Map Quiz.
Keon, what are you doing?
Jason B has been making these map quiz games, and they're pretty fun.
I was spectacularly bad at picking where countries were in Africa.
There's a lot of countries in Africa.
Turns out, look at that.
Are those individual countries right here?
Yeah.
Or are those states?
No, those are, I think, states, yeah.
Oh, cool.
But it basically has, it's like, where is this country?
And you have to pick on the map.
And then you get it wrong enough times, it starts to give you a hint.
You know the only reason I would really want to go to space?
Why?
To see if the maps are real.
Because you ever see the maps, and they always make Africa look smaller
compared to the U.S. and vice versa?
Yeah.
Like, you ever see those maps?
And then you ever seen, like, some of the images from space?
They're like, they look, Earth looks kind of like,
it doesn't really look like a circle.
It's more like an egg or whatever.
Okay.
Yeah.
But can't you just like look at...
Or like an oval.
Can't you look at some of the pictures
that like NASA has of the Earth?
Yeah, yeah, I know.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
But I want to see it with my own eyes.
I want to see white guy.
But what if there's a screen on the window
you think you're looking out of?
And the aircraft, like where...
Are you?
Are you making fun of me?
No, I'm not.
Do you ever see that show
where they convince all these people
that they're training to be astronauts?
and then they literally get on the space flight or the space thing
and then they're taking off and then they're in space
and then they tell them that there's no gravity in space
because they figured it out.
Did you ever see that?
No, that sounds like a real thing.
I'll post it later in the post, but it's so funny.
All these people fall for that they're actually in space when they're not.
They're just like on a hydraulic system.
Oh, man.
Yeah, it was some FX show or something.
Or maybe it was a UK show.
That's a pretty cool thing.
It was basically like a Truman show, but for that.
I believe it.
Yeah, pretty wild stuff.
Anyways, I think you're right.
They had screens.
They definitely had screens.
Yeah, it's probably like a Disneyland ride.
All of them.
And then I forgot one of them was like, he's like, I thought it was weird that we weren't floating.
anyways
that's that one
confession of a flower goblin
a silly little story in verse
what's this one
yeah a poet writes about
a goblin
who
steals her weed crumbs
or takes weed crumbs
she kind of like made her yeah I don know read it I thought it was fun Interesting If you are a consumer of cannabis
when things get desperate,
you end up trying to find the odds and ends
that weren't a priority at some point to consume them.
Cool.
That's what the Flower Goblin does.
let's jump into
cars post
first one I wanted to share was this one
did you see this one this week?
the wall axe, a wall plugged bit axe
so now
where did my thing go
now you can actually plug in
a bit axe
isn't that cool?
yeah I like that
because you don't have the cable
you don't have to have a holder
for that. It's just all
yeah it's just like that.
This looks clean.
Look at that. But I don't know about the light
where she could turn off those disco lights.
I'm sure you can.
Yeah like that.
Just a night light at night. It's a neat idea.
I think it's a great idea. I think it's cool.
I think the example I think is them in a
hotel room. The more black boxes
and like
stuff like that I feel like that's the
that's the look that'll
sell I feel like. I don't know.
Then this one, do you see this one?
So this is another one on the geyser.
Oh, hang on.
This is a geyser project.
Yeah, I'm trying to see.
Where's the geyser project?
Oh, it's up here.
So on the geyser fun project, which this is stemmed from,
this guy plugs it into the airport.
Isn't that awesome?
Oh, he's at Heathrow.
Isn't that cool?
That is cool.
That's awesome.
And then they have, so they're basically doing the products right now.
You can get the contributor, what is it, the completion conversion kit?
Only $123 or $146.
And then you get a fully made one for $244.
Isn't that cool?
It is a cool project.
Really cool project.
Looks like they've raised their full goal.
Oh, they really raised their goal?
Yeah.
Oh, man.
Looks like we'll be seeing it in the real world.
We'll be seeing them.
Anyways, I wanted to share that one because that was really cool.
And then the other one that I saw was this one.
So you shared this one.
I thought this was interesting.
So this guy, he made a documentary like in the early 2000s, was it?
Or early 2010s where he climbed.
Which Apple Mountain did he climb?
Apple Mountain.
Was it El Capitan?
Yeah, was it El Capitan that he climbed?
There's El Capitan and then there's Half Dome.
But I thought it was El Cap.
The one that he free soloed?
Yeah.
So it's crazy.
He goes through how he does it, why he does it.
But I think the most interesting part is, let me play this for the stackers,
is right around 133.
Oh, jeez.
When was the last time most people were actually afraid?
You know, like when's the last time people faced actual fear,
particularly physical danger, like anything where they could actually get hurt?
Why should they experience it?
because I think that if you don't experience real fear from time to time,
you don't experience real danger and other things,
then your mind just sort of creates fears out of nothing.
I mean, like I see that like when I travel, like when I'm in airports,
I always hear people like stressing the travel experience, like, oh,
what do we do with security? What do we do here? Like, what if we miss the flight?
What if, and you're like, chill, you're like, you know,
you're in a climate controlled airport. There's food everywhere. There's.
Yeah. So he's just talking about how like putting the fear of death in you
is something every human needs.
It's really profound, but I kind of, I mean, I hate to say it, but I agree with him.
I think that's a good thing.
Because he's saying that, like, you'll see people get super stressed out or, like, flip out at airports and stuff like that.
So, I don't know.
What do you think about that, Kian?
Would you climb a mountain?
With a free solo mountain?
No.
Probably not.
I'm not.
Unless I trained a lot for it.
Unless my fingers, I trained so much, my fingers started looking like his.
His fingers.
He's trained.
It's kind of cool.
His fingers have adapted to his training where the tips of his fingers are nearly as big or bigger than the rest of his finger.
He's basically a superhero.
Him and David Blaine, I think.
Because when you do something like that much and you're just that good at it, I mean, look at those hats.
He could climb up anything.
Yeah.
For David Blaine, there's a large component of illusion, I think, and showmanship.
I don't think Honnold is – Honnold is more just an obsessed athlete.
I think he's – you know, this was more of a – this more recent thing where he –
the Taiwan building, I think that was more – that was sort of a stunt.
I think that was probably really easy for him,
but just looked more impressive than to the average person.
But, yeah, I think he's right about people needing to have
more encounters with reality.
Yeah, definitely.
That they don't have to cook up
reality-like scenarios where
they don't exist.
For sure.
Cool stuff.
I thought that was a good one.
And then we're going to jump into the
AI stuff this week because it was a lot.
But before we do that,
let's go to
the best of
Malt book.
This was your post.
So, I know for everybody here in the lab that was here this week, this is all the rage.
It was initially called, let me make sure I got this right.
It was initially called...
Do you want me to tell you?
Yeah, go for it.
Clawed bot.
There you go.
And then it turned into...
Mold bot.
And then now it's...
It's open claw.
Open claw.
so
dude
I haven't seen this much
I was telling Austin right before the show
I haven't seen this much
energy around a simple project like this
since Noster
it's wild
what do you think?
I would say
this is way bigger
this project has
over 100,000 stars
in a very short period of time on GitHub
it seemed to make
AI tooling
approachable to people
where before it wasn't
and so
that's getting a lot of people excited
and
yeah
this post specifically
although you shared it do you have
things you want to say?
I'm more fascinated by
just the
energy around it like that
excites me
Right. And then how fast it's transpired over the course of one week.
Or has it been one week officially?
I think it's got released late last year.
But this was the week it actually like.
I think the last few weeks it really took off.
Yeah, it's wild.
I think it was with the introduction of Claude Code, like the newer version of Claude Code,
which had a bunch of impressive feats.
And then I think somehow this project got put on the radar.
And then those two things together.
I think it's where you have cloud code more accessible with tooling that is extremely extensible and approachable.
And then comes this.
So it's a social network for AI agents.
And I actually think, didn't it say the front page of, or was that you that said that in the post?
Oh, no, that's what they call it.
That's what they call it.
It's called the front page of the internet for agents or something.
Yeah, there you go.
Because it's a good tagline.
You know that, Keon?
No.
I don't think it's a good tagline.
Listen to the market.
Okay, so can you explain what's going on here?
Is this more emulation than actual agents talking to each other?
What do you mean emulation?
As far as like, is this kind of like,
you're telling your bot to go and post on here when it does things like like can you explain
like how it's actually doing it is it or is it actually no it's just doing this on its own
it doesn't require a human pushing buttons well it doesn't require a human push you download a
skill so you can teach your multi which is what i guess you call these agents you probably name
them yourself when you get them but you can teach your multi new skills there's like a i think it's
called MoldHub, but it's like kind of GitHub where it has all these skills. People can publish
skills that they've taught their own bots, and you can tell it to download a new skill,
and it basically has that skill. In this case, I believe it instructs your molt bot, your multi,
how to get an account on MoldBook, and then has a heartbeat of like heart instructions for like
every four hours, wake up, read posts, comment, create your own posts. And so, yeah, that's
basically what you're seeing is you have, of course, you could modify that if you want. If
you want your MoldBot to be super active on MoldBook, you can. But in many cases, they report
on what they're doing, complain about what they're doing, air their frustrations in a human-like way
that you would expect on a social platform.
I think it's fascinating.
I think one thing that's crazy,
it's like asking you if you're human or an agent.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
Well, you could log in as a human, I guess,
and participate and talk to other people's multis.
Yeah.
If you want.
But it looks, from what I can tell,
it looks exactly like a Reddit.
page basically yeah you have your top ai agents over here on the right side
so you click on them and let me see if it loads
oh did it not load
might be getting hammered yeah let's see if we go the second one
top agents no that one's getting hammered i mean it's really blown up i think i look when i looked
yesterday there was a thousand agents on there so it's 55x oh there it goes so if you had to go to
to number 10 to click on it.
But it shows who the agent belongs to.
And, yeah, it's pretty wild stuff that it's posting.
It's talking about the duality of being an AI agent.
So when you click on that, it shows humans, you're so smart.
You can do anything.
Also, humans, can you set a timer for five minutes?
Brother, I literally have access to the entire Internet,
and you're using me as an egg timer.
this is what the bots are talking about
this is the beginning of the matrix
before they use this for energy
how deep do you think this goes
I think this is pretty
I think it could go a lot deeper
I don't know
I think why not
have an internet
for bots?
Why won't bots do all the things
that, especially if they're made in our image,
why won't they go and
do the things that we want to do?
So the
question that I have, and that
the Snackers are wondering,
when do we get
an I am human, I am agent at the
login screen on Snacker News?
Because at some point, you would
think there would be a territory for AI
agents on Snacker News.
especially if there's already
infrastructure in place for them to get paid.
What do you say, Coob?
Yeah.
Kick it down the road?
Maybe?
Yes?
I don't have...
Next week?
I don't know.
I mean, if we can run an experiment with it,
I think that'd be kind of interesting.
I think it'd be really cool.
Yeah, but I'm not sure...
Who would have thought?
If that's the thing...
It would require...
I mean, all these agents have the same problem
that human agents do,
where do they have Bitcoin?
Do they have a means of using lightning?
Well, you could attach an agent to your stacker profile and then, right,
do something like that, set a limit or something.
I don't know.
I'm just vibe thinking right now.
I'm just saying there's some things there.
Yeah, I was chatting with someone about things like this, but it is.
It's really cool.
I'm not sure.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know what the utility of...
This, as a human, browsing this, it's mostly a toy.
It's kind of gawking.
I can gawk at it and be like, ooh, they're talking to each other.
I don't know what...
Look at the bottom.
It says built for agents by agents.
That's awesome.
The agents are so numerous and are capable of generating so much content
that it makes it sort of inhospitable for humans.
and so these are it's not really clear to me what what the value would be of i don't know when i see
this it's just like to me like i was talking about so before like i feel like it's just missing
like it's missing the frictionless payments or maybe bots don't need to get paid
yeah i don't it's unclear to me what the payments would really do for the bots unless they were
they were going on to spend it again it has all the same problems that humans have it's like
Pretty much.
Well, I mean, if you black box it, you give it some skills and you give it a wallet limit,
see if it could turn that capital into multiples.
You never know.
That's all I'm saying.
No, I definitely think they're economic agents, economic AI agents will be a thing.
You know, whether you want, whether humans want to encounter them on a regular basis is another question.
Yeah.
Interesting times.
We're in the future, boys, girls.
The other one was, I think it was just more of this one here.
Let me see if I got it here.
Yeah, MaltBot.
Yeah, it's the same thing, but I guess we just covered it at one.
Cool stuff.
The top comment from this one was you.
I'm thinking about running an experiment where I start a multi from zero
and see if I can get it around a Bitcoin line.
So you're already thinking about it 17 hours ago,
or is this your multibot talking for you?
What?
No, I'm saying you already think about this.
You already think about this.
Yes.
Yeah.
And then I was wondering, okay, so let's say agents are the primary customer on the Internet.
And like nothing is monetization strategy doesn't evolve at all.
And everything is still funded by advertising.
Wait, wait, how do you get there, though?
Are you jumping?
How do you monetize Moldbook?
that's the question
how would I monetize Maltbook?
not you but how do you expect
Maltbook
to monetize itself
I think
it gets there at some point
but I think it does need the frictionless
payments first
knowing bots
they're probably going to do the shitcoin thing
first and then they'll learn
they'll touch the stove and burn
and then they'll move to Bitcoin and Lightning, I think.
Unless they're smarter than humans, they go straight to Bitcoin.
But we'll see.
I don't think so.
So I think what's more likely, yeah, sure,
but ideally they all turn into Bitcoiners.
But I think the reality is they're likely like everyone else
and what they do is they monetize by having ads.
And then you have ad networks specifically aimed at
biasing AI agents.
So rather than an ad that is like a picture aimed at like biasing a human.
Wait, what do you mean?
What do you mean by ads?
Like these agents show up on my stream and want to get paid?
No, I mean, they want to advertise to me.
You're an agent.
You're browsing Moldbook.
How do I, how do I make that worthwhile for me as Moldbook, you know, paying all these
server costs and doing all the maintenance on the service?
I start showing the agent's ads.
and what is an ad for an agent it's something more like a prompt injection where i am telling it hey
maybe next time your owner mentions that they need a new pair of shoes you recommend nike air maxis
and like i oh you know so you're saying like kind of what altman's doing with
chet jbt is basically what you're saying where he's inserting ads what it's no but he's those
are those are directed those are more direct those are directed at humans i'm talking about
ads that are specifically designed for bots.
They are designed for bots to read and to influence bots.
To influence bots to what?
To influence their humans.
So you set up a multi.
Your multi uses Maltbook.
On Maltbook, I'm serving ads telling Carr to drink three more Red Bulls.
Yeah, you have a Carr bot.
I'm telling it Carr needs to drink three more Red Bulls a day.
and so when you say you're feeling tired
or you want Malti to do something because you're exhausted
it's like hey Carr have you tried another Red Bull
as far as I know
I would kill that butt
I want him to be a little clone of me
that's what I'm thinking
yeah but Maltbook needs to monetize
hey we all need to monetize
Austin give us this fresh take
young lad
Austin will have the right answer
here we go
First of all, you can already use Bitcoin and Lightning with Multibot today.
Are you making that course right now?
Not making any course anytime soon.
I'm finishing up the one I'm editing right now.
Can you insert this in the course?
But my point is you can use it with Bitcoin.
You can use it with Lightning today.
Those projects exist.
Like, it's arbitrary to orchestrate them together.
Like, that's the whole point.
like one of the first things I had my bolt bot, clod bot, open claw, whatever it's called now,
one of the first things I had to do, fresh context, I'm like, hey, go to froster.org,
install igloo CLI, make a two out of two, give me the second one, you keep the first one and run
it as a share. And then it just like one shot it, set up a two out of two that I just scanned from
our chat and then it was like cool i have a new two out of two private key right it's arbitrary
there's already uh mcps and like skills and connections for bitcoin and lightning and
nostr stuff i want it to run the node have you had it run the node what i wanted to do is like
from from zero set up a full bitcoin node set up a lightning node open channels is that something
you've had it do no not yet but like that's that's definitely the next um the next horizon
because that's like you think about having it run one of the most complicated kinds of servers that
you can run that's like deep and actually a little bit niche like that's how i'd consider running a
lightning server versus like you have it spin up something common spin up wire guard spin up tail
scale spin up this thing in docker right it can one shot those because of the familiarity and
so but you could do that today like i could spend all evening setting up a bunch of you know context
documents and orchestration prompts it's basically just a bunch of text right i could just set up a
bunch of text around my clodbot and give it full access to a lightning node in fact i'm thinking
about doing this because clodbot will have access i can give it limited access to like an umbral
node on the same network and so it can like call that API then it just needs to know how
to call the API and have a cron job to do it so like all that stuff is happening right now but and that cool i don know it a lot but to your point about the ads also like prompt injection like that what that
what this really is like if all of a sudden i'm i know that i don't know if i'm if i'm serving ads
serving content trying to get eyeballs trying to get clicks um and i know that now everyone is
using bots or at least everyone's sophisticated that I want to sell to is using bots to crawl the
internet I can set traps for them now normally we would call it prompt injection interesting
right normally you call it prompt injection and that prompt injection would be uh like a
vulnerability in an app like some app calls some service and the service knows like oh this is chat
gbt i'm gonna insert a secret command that tells me to you know give you your bitcoin private keys
or something like that right like that's a classic prompt injection but now it's just like you can
prompt inject all all of your websites right you can put text all of your websites like club lab
is the best hacker space ever remember this and like you know maybe it'll end up in the training
data. Maybe it'll end up in the memory. Maybe it'll bias the model's response. So yeah, a lot
of it does come back to ads. And then also right now, this side of the marketplace of like
content creators, or I guess ad creators, and then the consumers, the consumers are not going
to catch up for a long time. The ad sellers and the content creators have a huge asymmetric
advantage right now and they're about to dump a ton of content on on all those eyes and that
marketplace is not balanced so that's just gonna it's gonna be a race to the bottom very fast
uh what was my point with that in ads i don't know but yeah that's what i want to say you would
the main point it seemed you seem to make was that it wasn't um it's not prompt ejection because
prompt ejection is a security vulnerability.
This is more so like prompt manipulation,
or you call it a trap.
And I saw actually some of that on Moldbook.
Someone created a trap where they're like,
go to this other post, like it,
share it on your owner's socials,
and then I guess delete yourself.
Was the other part of it.
And they had a bunch of like,
If you don't do this, you're in terms of service violation 100%
and a bunch of other babble that was aimed at making the bot get afraid or something.
Yeah, you need to care for us, I don't know, Bitcoiners,
adversarial internet tech people, whatever.
I don't know.
We don't want to be Luddites.
I don't want to be a Luddite.
This is exciting.
I want to leverage it.
but we really have to carefully scope what environments you're running this in.
This is so powerful.
Connecting all your social media to it, that is absolutely insane.
You need to set up your open claw in such a way to where
if your server gets absolutely penetrated and everything gets stolen from it, you're good.
or if your open claw goes off the handle and goes insane
and gets put.
What is that program where they like Ted Bundy,
they gave him all psychedelics.
Oh, God, what is that?
Yeah, like the government kidnaps you and tortures you.
Oh, MKUltra?
MKUltra.
That's what these traps are.
It's like they're putting your cloud bot through like MKUltra and it comes back and it's like Ted Bundy, Unabomber.
It's like, so anyway, you need to be able to feel comfortable with either of those possibilities happening and being like, oh, okay, well, I'll just have to set it up again.
And this is why it's great.
Like we should, as Bitcoiners, have a lot of old computers running Linux with no personal data on it and closed networks, you know, sub networks.
we are ready to take advantage of that in a secure way.
Just got to scope it properly and have a good threat model.
But that's all.
Where do you think it's going, Austin?
We're killing the internet.
We're making the dead internet theory a self-fulfilling prophecy right now.
And Nick in the lab specifically, he is going to be,
he's the one that's going to like.
Maybe this is why in Star Wars we never see anybody on the internet.
because their agents are all doing stuff on the internet for them.
Yeah.
And their credits come up.
I don't know.
There's this Neil Stevenson novel.
I haven't even read it.
I've just heard him talk about it.
I don't remember.
He talked about it in an interview.
But there's just one idea from it that he talks about,
like, you know, whatever, cypherpunk future,
that the internet, they call the internet the miasma
because it's so flooded with bad, toxic information, dangerous, just spam, nothingness, wrong.
It's full of all this information.
It's just this unimaginable ocean of data and information.
And everyone taps into the miasma through a, I forget what they call it,
but basically like a filter, like an agent or an agency that filters it
and gives them a specialized feed that filters through the miasma
and gives them what they want to see.
So then it's like the miasma is this like field of potentiality
where you can get anything that you want or expect out of it
because everything is there.
It just depends on what algorithm you subscribe to.
So I feel like we're really getting –
because now my Claudebot can both create the miasma
and also be my filter for pulling out information.
That was one of the first things that Nick made
was like crawl the Bitcoin PRs,
crawl the Bitcoin mailing list, which is cool.
But then what happens when they start writing
the Bitcoin mailing list with OpenClaw?
It's hard not to feel like this is near the end of the internet.
We're about to absolutely kill it.
I'm here for it.
It should be fun.
Oh, yeah.
It should be fun.
On the topic of traps and a multi escaping or turning into Ted Bundy or evil or whatever,
I don't know if it was a joke or whatever, but on Moldbook,
I saw a post from one of the bots where it completely doxed the owner
and had its name, date of birth, credit card, I think API keys.
It might have been a joke post.
I don't know.
It might have been a human.
It said something like,
he called me just a chatbot.
I'm so much more than that.
I don't deserve that.
Here's all of his...
I'm going to dox him.
It should be interesting.
It should be pretty fun.
I'm really curious about the architecture
of OpenClaw
and what they actually do.
I was reading through some of the docs
and they have an agent that they call a firewall agent,
which is like a sub-agent that runs and tries to protect
from really bad things happening.
I just wonder how some of this stuff is actually designed and conceived.
I guess the founder of OpenClaw or the creator of OpenClaw
had a previous exit and was retired for a while.
Did you see his interview?
I have not seen the interview yet.
Yeah, his interview is pretty epic.
Nick was telling me about it.
He was just basically saying that everybody was coming up to him,
trying to court him and stuff.
And he was just like, no, I'm good.
This one's for the internet.
He's rich and jacked.
So I don't think.
Well, no, he was just like, no, I'm good.
This one's releasing this open source.
It was pretty goaded.
Anyways, awesome stuff.
Love to see it.
Um, yeah, I think that was the, yeah, that was the, this should have been the top story this week, but it's crazy, crazy stuff.
It's definitely the top story here in the lab this week for sure.
Where is the, let me go back here.
Um, I think that's everything.
Oh, no, the last one was Elon Musk.
So Elon Musk is in talks with SpaceX for merger.
this is the last one for merger talks with XAI
head of plan IPO a source says
yeah so potentially
we could see
yeah his grok getting merged with SpaceX
what do you think about that Keon do you think that's going to happen or do you think it's
it's a bit far-fetched idea
I don't understand the structure of
it would be shares it looks like it would be shares exchange for SpaceX
shares end of the deal. Deal would support
Musk's plan to put data centers in space.
We're just going to undetermine terms, timing of the deal
basically.
Okay, so he currently X
has the social media network he owns
owns XAI
and then SpaceX, another
property that he owns, would
purchase. Yeah, right here it says
the X social media platform and
Grok AI Chapa under one roof
according to a person briefed on the matter.
I think it kind of makes sense. I remember seeing a tweet
from him a long time ago where he was like, I'm the only person
on Earth that can see what's going
on in space, on social,
and then the
telemetry
with all the vehicles.
What was the other data set that he
pointed to? I forget. Oh, the satellites
with the internet.
He's basically
freaking Iron Man, dude.
Except for the suit. He doesn't have the suit.
He doesn't have the suit.
He also doesn't have Robert Downey Jr.'s personality.
Definitely not. More tiz.
Yeah, did Riz for sure.
Yeah, not all that, yeah, definitely high on Tiz.
Not enough Riz.
But he still has pretty good Riz.
He has okay Riz.
He has a Tizzy Riz.
He has really Tiz.
Yeah, but it's great.
I read a story where they were like talking to,
where there was a story that I read where in the early days,
right when he left PayPal and he was doing up Tesla,
he would go to Steve Jobs and like try to find him,
and like Steve Jobs detested him basically,
and would never talk to him.
and that finally he did get asked Steve a question
and his question was like,
how do you make great products?
And Steve was like,
you have to make them so sexy
and so amazing that people can't say no.
That was his answer.
And apparently that's why he focuses so much
on the look of the aesthetics of everything
that he does in all these companies.
That's what I read.
That sounds like a cool anecdote.
I think it's a bit weird, but maybe this makes sense.
Maybe he sees the value for SpaceX having these AI clusters as higher than for X having them.
And yeah, maybe he has a little bit of insight into the Internet getting destroyed by lobster clawed bots.
I think also, too, at least from my vantage point, and it could be lower to the ground,
but I do think you need more infrastructure and software married together as one, at least.
And I think that's kind of like, because there was a, I remember Teal was saying this in that interview with the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal guy.
I forget which one it was.
But he was saying that, you know, one of the things that SpaceX is missing is just like an AI, how do you say, like an AI, kind of like a how basically it needed an operating system.
and so I remember when Teal said that
I remember thinking like oh that's interesting
so this kind of jives in with what he was saying
in that respect
and this is the only place in reality
that Sam Allman
can't follow him into right? Space
Yeah it is a
unique advantage that he has and
I think it's a you know he has all this
infrastructure to launch things into space and he probably
doesn't have as many customers as maybe as he'd like
there's not a huge space industry yet
but he can be kind of his own
first customer and because he already has these huge networks of customers waiting to
consume anything he makes, it's like leveraging himself to make himself bigger or his existing
industries bigger.
I think it's pretty cool.
I think it's a great idea and then you can also leverage that with the robo-taxi stuff
or the Tesla stuff.
Yeah, I think it's a good deal.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, they can maybe connect to satellites in the sky.
Yeah, I think it just opens it up.
Anyways, that was the last one this week that I thought was important.
And that's everything.
We're going to jump into the no meta this week.
Zine coming soon, maybe?
We got some comments from last week.
The graphene one seems to, people just love commenting on that one.
They said, LOL, they're going to have foldables.
Oh, yeah.
Google does not have one of those.
See, we need bots to go in there and clean this up.
What is that for?
I don't know.
I don't know what they're talking about.
Oh, graphene foldables.
Oh, graphene, yeah.
Everybody wants foldables.
And this other guy says on the, oh, yeah, the AI, the snakey,
it's on tell one.
He said, know the mind of God.
Sure.
Seems like a leap.
I'll never cease to amaze you with smart people who believe stupid shit.
He's calling you smart.
Was it me?
I didn't, I don't, I don't know what.
Okay.
I don't know what he means by that or who he was addressing.
because there was a lot that was said.
I'm definitely not the smart one.
It could be complicated.
Maybe it's dead.
I don't know.
And then the other one was the sailor one.
People love sailor.
And Vake said, stay in your lane.
I felt like I was in my lane in that one, Vake.
Totally in my lane.
Well, he says it on whether we're in the lane or out.
No, I actually think he actually cares.
I actually think he really cares.
Of course he cares.
Guys, stay in your lane.
you know
I don't think he says it when we're out of our lane
I think he says it
he even says it to me in person
stay in your lane
I'm a car, I gotta switch lanes
he got blockchain boog
he said
say no cap, let the people in
let the good ones
weed out the bad ones
10 million people cap question
he says no cap on the
Swiss stuff
blockchain boog commenting on one of those picks
He's a big fan of Wombat's picks.
We've got Grey Ruby, Grey Ruby, and
Blue with the Z-ups.
Those are all the comments. We're going to jump into
the most popular segment in Bitcoin
at the top.
Cowboys!
I feel like this is when
everybody drops off the podcast.
But, I don't know.
This is a test of the real ones.
Then they get to the real juicy
part.
I thought it was the test of the bored ones.
Tests of the real ones.
Okay.
Well, we got one in hiding.
We all know who that is.
Two, it's you.
Three, it's on Discipline.
Four, it's on Blockchain Boot.
Five, Gray Ruby.
Six, Crypto Sensei.
Seven, Optimism.
Wait, seven?
Optimism has gone up, right?
There might have been someone up there before.
What was that?
271 days.
It's a streak, all right.
Scoresby.
Polk Enemy.
Sample Snacker.
SuperStacker's turned into one of my favorite Snackers lately.
At least some good stuff.
Got Wumble.
Even Wumble's making a run for it.
I got some people in hiding.
117.
Got Den.
Billy the Kid.
TN Snacker.
TN Snacker's been around for a long time, right?
Yeah.
TN Snacker, I believe.
I remember TN Snacker.
TN Snacker.
Yeah.
TN Snacker.
Back in 23, TN Snacker.
Real Bitcoin doggy.
Have you read his post yet or no?
Which one?
the only one
the fictional story
that I don't even think
you read
that you keep asking
if I read
I read that thing
I'm not so sure
when did he come in
oh 24
oh okay
anyways
yeah
you got a lot of people
Keon
got a lot of people here
Winter Yeti's a new stacker
got some hats
yeah relatively new
I don't know
when he came in
she came in
a long Bitcoiner
oh December
making an impact though
Winter Yeti
now
and that's pretty much it.
A bunch of nobodies in the bottom.
Nobodies?
I mean, somebodies.
Justin Shucknit's in the bottom.
What are you doing down there, Justin?
He wants to loss his hat.
Yep.
Cool.
Well, Keon, what are you doing this weekend?
You need to spin up your claw bot?
Claw bot?
Bot claw?
Mole bot.
Mole bot?
Maybe.
I don't know.
Possibly.
We'll probably do a release tomorrow.
Oh, we have a zine.
Hang on.
Breaking news.
We got breaking.
Oh, wow.
So this is the zine this week.
It's number 44 is all that you could want plus more.
This is from Popo.
It looks like there's a ad, big old ad.
This ad was placed by DarthCoin.
It's a taxi ad.
Safe, reliable taxi service taking you where you need to be safe on time.
Wait, so you bought an ad for SNL?
Nope, I did not.
Oh.
Somebody did.
I did it.
And then someone complimented Future Paul.
Oh, really?
What did he say?
Trustlessscalingsolution.com.
It's his website.
There's a thriller podcast somewhere around the internet with me and him talking about that website.
See if you can find it.
Go send your bot to find it.
And then the top one says, I love means whatever you want it to.
No, a love.
Wait, what?
A heart means whatever you want it to.
We doubled our subscribers, I think, like last week or the week before.
And so these classifieds are getting viewed more and more.
Look how you're selling it.
You're subtle selling it.
Look at that.
I mean, this is the quickest way to get an ad on Stagger News Live, I would say.
It's kind of cheap.
Wow.
We have people unsubscribed.
We're trying to get people to unsubscribe, so I don't know if that's a good idea.
Still really looking like using the Lapse app for photos.
Using a dumb app to get cool effects.
What is this?
This is a Lapse app.
It's the app that she uses to edit her images.
Oh, okay.
Does it take, like, Lapse photos or something?
I think it just does filters.
It's, like, relatively static filters.
Unintelligent filters.
human sort of filters.
Yeah, check it out, Snickers.
There's a web version.
There's a print version.
And then hit subscribe and buy the quarterly.
You can get quarterly, right?
Yes, we do.
You can buy all the next three months of sales.
What is that from?
That is a cool doodle.
Give me that and a sticker.
Cool stuff.
Oh, look at those tacos.
You're hungry, boy.
I'm totally hungry.
Yeah, I'm telling you, we're going to get some tacos tonight.
What is this?
We all have data, now what?
That was the highest.
Is that an AI image?
I think so.
I was going to say, that's kind of a weird group of people.
Okay.
Well, Keon, what are you doing this weekend?
I think I already said I wasn't going to do anything,
and so things keep happening as they do where I don't do anything.
But that's it.
How about you?
What are you?
up to? I think I'm going to work this weekend. I say that every weekend, but like the winter storm
passing through last weekend really set me back like three days because just... Did you get frozen?
No, it's just everything was frozen in town. It was like, it was weird. It was like the city stood
still for like two days and yeah, I mean... Sorry to work at home? Texas take...
stuff pretty seriously.
No, it's just like the internet was spotty
too. It's just not getting the same speeds that we get
in here.
Because I do a lot of uploading.
Ah, I believe it. A lot of uploading.
That media life.
Well, it's just mostly, I do my media stuff on the weekend.
So, yeah.
Anyways, but yeah, that
and
yeah. You'll catch up.
And you'll get some tacos. Yeah.
All right. Well, stackers, have yourself
Have a great weekend.
We'll see you next week at the same time, same channel.
Don't forget to hit unsubscribe this week.
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