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with keel
Kion, how was your week?
Oh, yeah, it's good.
It's funny how the whole that side is all yellow.
What side is all yellow?
Your side is all yellow.
Look, it's on the screen.
Oh, but it's not all yellow.
Your hat's yellow.
The hat right there is yellow.
Is your vision blurred?
It's just all yellow.
Did you ever just walk to work and play Coplay's yellow?
No.
And it was all yellow.
You know that song?
No.
By Coldplay?
I probably would, if I heard it, if it was a pop.
It's just about yellow.
Yeah.
It's just about the color yellow.
How was your week?
Oh, it was good.
You know, just having fun out here.
Watching my heartbeat.
Yeah?
Yeah.
Pretty cool stuff.
Not listening to songs when I come into work.
Stuff like that.
I got a very spicy news list this week.
Do we?
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
A lot of stuff is happening.
The world is, how would you say?
Being the world.
The world is collapsing in on itself, I feel like.
Collapsing?
Yeah, dude.
But how does a flat earth collapse?
We'd have to ask Ben Wormin for that.
Oh, bro.
You can't.
You, like.
You?
He's the only flat earther.
You're like, who else is a flat earther?
It's just Ben.
like ben hasn't been you like gave his full name it's like a legal name that's his name
it's like damn the last name though that's like i like ben he's it's just i don't agree with him
on the flatter thing and it's just kind of weird i've never talked to him about it but um i like
people with things that i don't believe in things that i don't believe it's fun yeah makes the world
more fun yeah if you've ever seen this crazy show we uh we cover the top three stories on
stacker.news the what is it called again i think we're thinking about changing i think i'm going
to change it to 24 hour party club or something that's what you call it that's what i don't know
the name of it i don't know uh so the current tagline is 24 7 bitcoin meet up on a website
but i'm thinking we're thinking about changing it to money as the moderator
hmm yeah bro i think that one's good so that's probably what we'll go with but if you guys are
overthinking paul graham no i don't think so i think i think that makes probably the most sense
so far we're we'll get there we'll iterate to it but i think proving money is the ultimate
moderator is probably like the average tagline to pull someone in that's our next iteration i think
on the tagline yeah all right i mean you you won't like you know like just copy the reddit
front page bitcoin i think that works pretty good but this doesn't mean anything like i don't i don't
know i don't know any other site that covers all the bitcoin topics like that uh a news bitcoin
news i know you're a fan of them so i guess why aren't they the front page bitcoin i guess they
could be there you go so you need something that like no one else can say if you just say something
that anyone else can say then what's the point of even saying it just call it the place the place
where Wumble picks yes well that's unique I mean at least no one else could say that speaking of
Wumble he posted a lot of videos this week the most popular one last week was the let them eat
slop I don't know if you uh remember that when we talked about it oh yeah no okay let them eat
slop that was the most popular one we're pretty good we're gonna jump into the top three stories
right now the number three top story of the week is on the economics of peer-to-peer i tried
vexel this is from den 13 comments 12 000 sats key on what's this yeah it looks like den was in
prog and he thought he wanted to try out vexel which is a peer-to-peer bitcoin trading app
it looks like you you know sort of like some of the digital versions that we've covered on this
podcasts like RoboSats, you partner up, you find someone who wants to do the other side of the
trade. In Den's case, he was selling Bitcoin for fiat because he wanted check dollars. And so he
went on Vexel and found someone who would give him check dollars for Bitcoin. And then they
agreed on the trade and arranged to meet the next day. And so Den covers that experience.
and, you know, why it kind of sucked
and then why it was kind of worth it.
And it kind of sucked mostly because it was pretty inefficient.
They had to, like, relative to him going on to, like, you know, I guess
some local exchange where he KYC'd or whatever
or, like, he went to an in-person kiosk where they KYC'd him.
He had to, like, arrange.
you had to wait for another party or find another party who wanted to do it and there was a small
spread on that but the party collects a little bit more money uh then there's also like all the
the fees of him transferring the money to the person anyway there are a number of inefficiencies
with peer-to-peer markets which are another form like a in economics this whole category of things
called transaction costs but um she's trying to sneak in the scene you can just move this one
yeah with uh there it goes here we go look at that we got an all-black covey on the zine um
yeah so he covers it and i guess the guy like didn't jog from his hotel 20 minutes to meet the
guy and then the guy had i think was like commuting on his way from work or something and had to pull
off the freeway to you know meet him and you're like meeting a stranger yeah uh so there's like
Yeah, there's issues with it, but people are more trustworthy, I think, than not in general.
So especially people who are dealing with Bitcoin stuff.
Pretty cool stuff.
Top comment was from Scoresby.
He said, this is a great write-up.
Having experimented with a few different ways to buy BTC peer-to-peer.
My experience aligned with yours.
Often it feels like an all-or-nothing game.
I feel like meetups still work for that situation.
Yeah, you could definitely do this.
That's how we did it back in the old days.
Yeah.
Cool.
Jumping to the number two top story, which is also the number one top story.
I guess should we go the other way since it's like backwards?
Yeah, either way is fine.
Okay, so basically Situation Venezuela by B57.
107 comments, January 3rd.
We'll cover the other one once Kian goes through this.
kian what's going on out there in venezuela well i want to i want to start by saying i'm not a big
like political news guy either am i and i just barely found out this was going on today even
less so a geopolitical news guy but i i definitely knew this was going on because we were talking
about it on stacker news and i saw a little bit elsewhere but um i think what happened was the
trump administration unseated uh maduro so the dictator in venezuela who b57 has covered uh quite
a bit some posts from the last yeah so i guess so they i guess they invaded venezuela specifically to
uh arrest maduro and maduro is now wait i guess awaiting trial in the united states for
I think narco trafficking crimes, I think is what he's accused of.
What is this a picture of or the video?
Yeah, so this is just sort of demonstrating a little bit of chaos inside of Venezuela.
So people are uncertain about Venezuela's future now because their dictator has been removed and replaced with,
I think, the vice president from his own administration.
So likely another kind of, if Maduro is crooked, replaced with a crooked vice president.
So people aren't really sure what to expect.
This is them waiting in line to like stockpile on drugs and food, like prescription drugs and food.
The line's pretty long.
Yeah, they don't know what's going to happen.
Maybe there's riots.
Maybe everything gets destroyed.
Maybe, who knows what comes next.
It's relatively pretty calm though.
Looks pretty calm.
it's what they said yeah it's they said there were they'd expected riots but there were no
rights but i guess over and then the next post they kind of go into it there's okay so let's
move over to that one here um yeah yeah there's i guess there's this is you know basically
declaration of i i think martial law this was on january 6th right they got this got posted
Yeah, something where they've basically mobilized the army.
Wow.
And they are, I guess, trying to bring order.
I don't know where there was.
Whose army is that?
I don't.
I assume Venezuela's.
Oh, okay.
I don't actually know, though.
And I guess there are checkpoints, checking to make sure that there's no one dissenting, political enemies of Maduro, people who have been celebrating the capture of Maduro are getting imprisoned and stuff.
So there's like loyalists who are still in the country and trying to maintain the existing political order when it's set to change, basically.
And so some of the pictures here and videos are from these checkpoints.
They show men with guns.
I think there are also, yeah, other armed civilians as well.
just wild general wildness um unfortunateness and we got some other um photos of stuff that's
going on there i think b57 said that most of what they're seeing online is like getting it
getting it wrong um
looks pretty calm and they're especially outraged by a lot of the westerners who
are supporting maduro because they're like and they're like they have trump derangement syndrome
and they're like trump said maduro's bad so he's good and his policies were good or they're like
you know american socialists who support who somehow support the regime
yeah
we can hear her
can you give her the mic
oh sure
oh she's uh
yeah
you go to the bottom of the post
that's where they cover the
weird political
all.
Likes the videos.
Yes.
This guy is watching TV.
I'm sorry.
All right, I'm ready.
They're talking in Spanish.
I was listening to what they're saying.
Oh, OK.
I wish I could translate, but...
It looks like they're just checking out the damage that was done.
They were kind of excited that this got, I don't know, this part got right here.
Like, look what they did right here.
Okay.
Oh, this is their, they like the destruction that happened.
No, I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying that's what they're talking about.
It's just like, look at it.
Check this out.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, so I guess it does look like there was some rioting-ish things.
Interesting.
I think that might be from the explosion.
I think there was a bombing early in the invasion.
Or the rest in.
I don't know what you would call it.
She's talking to Maduro support.
something about election or something an election last year oh they look so pretty
they're telling her shut up interesting man
what are you saying i can't hear it because i have my headphones on that's what i was telling
her i give you the mic uh what did she say yeah so the the meme at the very bottom okay those two
ladies yeah so i don't i don't know spanish but it's translated in the post says immigrants who
escape socialist countries and then left-wing university students telling them to shut up
basically yeah crazy stuff man um do you guys have any thoughts on this i don't really i mean
this is my first time seeing it all week i didn't um know what was going on kianny got any thoughts
on all this stuff i do oh well i did want to bring up this because i found this kind of interesting
so polymarchia refuses to pay pay bets uh let me see if i can go through here
they refused to pay bets that U.S. would invade Venezuela.
So they're disputing that the mission to capture Madero
constituted an evasion and said it will only settle a prediction contract
that the U.S. military takes control of Venezuela's territory.
The decision by the prediction market has angered gamblers
and added to the controversy surrounding a successful wager
on the timing of Madero's capture.
That netted more than $400,000 in winnings for a mysterious traitor.
The dispute over the definition of invade
highlights just one of the contrarians faced
by the most unregulated industry.
crazy stuff crazy times place your bets this is where we're at in america okay so that bet is still
open no it looks like it didn't get paid out yeah but it's still open because it oh okay yeah um
yeah do you guys have any thoughts on this um i don't you know i don't know i don't i don't it's
hard to have thoughts on it without having more information i try not to have opinions on things
I don't understand.
And, you know, from what I understand, Maduro is, does not, should not be in charge of a
country and as, you know, a bad person.
But I also don't, that's like all second, third, fourth, fifth hand accounts of things.
But I would guess that's true.
I believe B57's account of that.
So I guess that's good.
you know usually when you remove these people good things don't follow because there's like
a political vacuum and sometimes worse things happen while while other things settle so that's
scary but i don't know otherwise i i don't i don't really know most of my understanding or of
my experience with these types of discussions involve iran because my my dad's family is from
Iran. And so, you know, they're all Western and they hope that the regime in Iran leaves because
they want Iran to go back to what it was, which was, you know, a fairly liberal Western country
at one point pre the Islamic revolution. And, but getting there is hard, like, because you have to,
you have to unseat what is more, you know, a military dictatorship.
That's pretty brutal, likely cause a lot of people to die and get hurt.
So it's like, what, what is there to do? It's just,
these are tricky situations, but yeah, I'm not, you know,
and I think,
I think the worst part is another country coming in and removing the dictator.
I think is like
probably near as bad as the dictator just
staying given that it's kind of abrupt and there's nothing to
maintain
the country from falling back into a similar or worse
place. It's kind of like when you go on a
crash diet and you lose a bunch of weight and then you like regain it immediately
uh that's kind of like i think what happened in some of these situations but ideally what you'd
have happen is like within the country there is a huge rebellion and like locals and stuff
unseat maduro and then replace him with someone who who deserves to be a leader of the country
anyway i'm just like rambling about things i hardly think about so maybe uh
maybe you're better served listening to someone who knows what they're talking about yeah i would
just say um shout out b57 he's living in communism so i think it's a lady oh she's living in
communism communism so zap them um i don't know how they said it how are they doing or anything
like that beef 57 um i think they said they cool they said it pretty chill they said a lot of the stores were closed and so there are these lines yeah but otherwise pretty tame like nothing crazy
i think a week later about a week later everything was they said it was kind of normal except for
these things um it kind of seemed like based on like just this post right here that the thing that
was like more on b57's mind that was like more driving them kind of mad was just like the social
media environment around it all and like how the conversation is like captured immediately and like
nothing no good discussion really comes from it so that's why another reason to like really
appreciate these posts from b57 who's like there and uh you don't you don't get that many other
places on the internet so it's really it's really good to have these updates
yeah thank you to b57 and um stay safe keep your family safe i'll keep you in my prayers
and um yeah we'll see what happens next week um cool so that's all the that's all the top stories
this week on snacker news live we're gonna jump into um let's go right into wumble's picks
The most popular segment behind the Top Cowboy segment is Wumble's Picks.
Everybody comes out for this because it's Wumble's Picks.
Maybe we should add to like Luma.
We should add just Wumble's Picks.
That'd be funny.
Yeah, it'd be.
So Wumble had a post about Graphene OS confirms physical sensor kill switch on a new phone.
This was from me.
I posted earlier this week because it was really interesting.
uh we had we had some comments from one of the people that is a part of that community
um but kian did you see this post i saw one but picked it so i went and looked into it
uh and yeah it looks like it looks like graphene os is working with an android
manual like a device manufacturer and on a on a on a device specifically for graphene
And one of the things they are considering adding, I think they might have decided this already, is to add sensor kill switch.
So Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, microphone, things like that.
Did I get that right?
This is your story.
Yeah.
So basically what's going on is they kind of got into this conversation about how most pixels don't allow you or don't have a kill switch.
They have a software kind of kill switch.
and Graphing came out with their Twitter account
saying that the device that does,
I believe it's called the Librem,
doesn't actually do it effectively.
It was like badly started.
It was badly thought out.
And it's in the thing here.
It was a pretty interesting take
that they just kind of posted that
because I had never heard that about those phones.
And then to follow up,
they said that they're possibly thinking
about doing their own kill switch.
but it's something i plan for the for future generation but um i don't know i definitely
think those are i definitely think that would make me feel a lot better if there was a
generic kill switch on there like a manual kill switch on there but
outside of that i don't know and then here at the bottom so finals from that community he
basically said or she basically said that um this was just potential ideas for future devices they
haven't confirmed such a thing uh this site specifically releases sloppy articles it's not
the first time so oh awesome and then uh wumble's question was you ready for it wumble's question was
as a consumer should we be pushing manufacturers to add more physical cutoff switches to products
kub um i don't i mean i i think it would be this on your phone
i think it'd be cool i don't you know what what does it cost what like what what are the trade
offs of them introducing a feature like that do i does it mean my iphone is a millimeter thicker
um is that worth it maybe i should just like turn off my iphone or put it in a
a faraday cage if i'm really you know i think having two phones is the way to go
um did you see that clicks communicator device that they had no they had like a
clicks communicator that's getting released.
That was just for messages and stuff like that.
But yeah, more and more these are becoming surveillance devices.
Or they already are.
But so I don't know.
So I definitely would love to see mechanical stuff.
But we were talking about it on, I forget which.
Oh, yeah, it was this post.
Yeah, it's real fake said he just wants a Linux phone.
That's it.
yeah i don't know what that what that means exactly once like a linux desktop that runs on a
small device is that or it's like a oh like the the operating system like the kernel is the linux
kernel so i think that's what he's saying okay there was that other phone we were looking at
that has like a really cool linux thing to it but i forget what that was yeah i think this also
reminded me that i think we got there was a past video that we did that got kind of blew up on
YouTube a clip of us talking about graphene targeting other Android devices or other hardware
and I'm pretty sure this is what it was actually about we just went off on a huge tangent that was
wrong and all the people in the comments were like these guys have no idea what they're talking about
which is true um people like watching that yeah they like they like watching people like
lie to them unintentionally um and I think that's what we did but I I think what they're actually
doing is they're creating their own hardware um in partnership with with a single manufacturer
not targeting a wide array of devices yeah i wonder who the manufacturer is could be samsung
no they said um they they they have they had someone in a tweet thread in that article
talked possibly about samsung and how they're like close to pixel in terms of
control i think software can have over the phone cool well that's wumble's picks check out next
week when we go back into wumble's picks and see what he pulls out from his bag of picks
plus um the next one i wanted to share was the uh ai stuff so this week is um uh what is it called
CES. And there was a ton of
really interesting stuff. One of them
was, of course, Boston Dynamics
and their next-gen humanoid
robot.
And I don't know if you saw this, but
check out this video.
They made children?
Look at this.
So that's how they were before, but now Google's
going to get to play with these things.
And you know what Google's going to do?
They're going to make them look nice and really evil.
Look at that thing.
you ready for that to come
deliver your
Amazon packages?
Why not? Is it cheaper?
I don't know. Is it faster?
I mean, I don't know.
Probably not in the short term.
Yeah.
I saw some dude the other day
in downtown here. He was like
I think he was like breaking
into one of those robots.
I don't know what he was doing.
It was just like some random
guy.
I don't like how many of them there are in this simulation.
You're a rant?
I don't like how many of them there are in the simulated future world.
Mm-hmm.
And I don't like robots.
So there you go.
That's not the world you want right there, Jana.
Yeah, that's a lot.
That's like more robots than people.
Look at that.
Don't you want your kids to grow up with that?
It's really an invasion.
It's a genocide.
You don't want your kids to grow up in that?
Look at this.
no on your front lawn look at that they're mowing your lawn they're they're playing with
their robot dogs that was his house like there was no human there that opened the door is walking
into his home it's just always fun to me whenever i see this kind of stuff it's just like
like i don't know it's just hilarious i don't know i'd roll with you know like a like a robot
entourage like this imagine you just roll up to a party you just got 10 robots you don't even see
an adult here and i never go that robot prop those are probably his kids
you don't even see it oh yeah those are like the next generation
where they have like skin they have kids as pets look at that
can't unsee that once you see it look at that oh anyways so you have looked forward to the next
thing I wanted to share was this one here was the energetic problem LL prob LLM's problems so
that's because I practice this um I dropped this in slack but this is a this is mushy I'm just gonna
the only reason I'm sharing this this is like must see um you have to watch this if you're in
computer science, you have to watch this.
This guy named
Johan.
Johan?
He basically goes through all the different exploits
currently for
LLMs.
It gets pretty
good, man. I watched
15 minutes of it.
It goes pretty heavy. It even goes
even more where he has PDFs
here and he talks
about all sorts of crazy
stuff, man.
that's a good watch too hard to explain too long to explain but uh if you if you're really interested
in how to um hack with llms and what's capable right now this is definitely something you should
watch and or if you just want to know how people are going to do it to you i would watch it but
he's a really great guy he he disclosed all of this ahead of time before he went to the talk
so i'm sure there's going to be like some cves what does cve stand for again guillem
oh god what is it um exploit v i don't know i just know it's the it's what you put in front of bug
uh bug disclosures it's like cataloged
i would you know it's worth a google yeah cv yeah so he's basically doing all these disclosures ahead
of time before he did this talk but it's worth a watch definitely worth a watch and he's really
funny when he goes through this so it's entertaining he has a cat yeah one of the ones that waves
yeah anyways wanted to share that do you have any thoughts on that kian no i didn't really
understand what it was about um yeah i mean you know these things are powerful and so if they're
doing human-like tasks and humans, one of the tasks they do is they exploit systems and they'll
be able to exploit systems. He also said it's like the main takeaway from this is he started
off the talk like agents like clicking on links and that's the main takeaway. So,
oh i see this is this is about you using um an llm or any yeah and someone basically getting it to do
something that you wouldn't have it do if you yeah he goes through the whole thing like he
literally goes through each attack and walks you through it it's pretty cool he goes through like
the github stuff too but it's it's must watch i'm gonna watch it this weekend because um it's good
to know it's good to know so i wanted to show that to the stackers the other stuff let's um
let's go to your post keon um you had the rumble wallet one is one of your posts what's this
yeah so scores we went and checked out the rumble wallet uh they shipped this wallet i guess a few
days ago um in partnership with tether i think tether gave them i think it was like a couple
hundred million dollars and then i guess part of that is they agreed to integrate tether stable
coin in addition to bitcoin payments into rumble um and so this is their wallet i guess it's all
on chain from what i can tell and they have you do some kyc stuff and then i guess you still don't
really get the wallet um i think you it's still like at some kind of beta where they only release
it to certain creators with a certain level
of I think
rumble followers or something
or views I don't know
I think and then scores be it later he
found some people
on Twitter who had actually gotten deeper in the wallet
that's
you know they're
yeah I haven't actually tried it
or yeah here we go here's some of the
actual pictures
of the wallet
so rumble is like youtube competitor so this is like just for tipping on a video that you like
yes it's rumble is like uh like right wing ish like for yeah yeah relatively uncensored
YouTube. Like politically
a politically neutral
YouTube, I guess, is kind of
I think what they might call themselves.
Anyone built a wallet
just for their creator
economy, kind of, to like
be sustained by crypto?
Yeah,
I think so. They added
this wallet
I guess to help their creators
get tipped.
cool um it's early maybe they'll figure it out eventually um
yeah but they clearly had not been paying attention to
i guess other things that were happening out in the world and they
no that's what i've heard is that the design is pretty atrocious um but also yeah
uh the wall i guess the wallet itself is pretty bad like it doesn't make a whole bunch of sense
and yeah maybe just you know i think it's like a beta ui on top of a beta development kit
created by tether and maybe it's not a beta maybe that's the wrong word maybe they'd call it
more mature but it's early but cool we get bitcoin in something sort of
if you would also stable coins
i think so i think they might have they might have gone public in a spack but
like the new way to go public all right so the next one that you had was the uh
what is it the uh how do you pronounce that dathan ohm all right there you go what's this
you yeah so this is i guess the most mature state or the uh this is this is the farthest along we
are in the knots versus core stuff dathan ohm is proposing a soft fork it's a lot like the
previous soft fork that we've covered where it attempts to restrict consensus rules such that
data carry like it limits like data carrying transactions by
removing them as as valid transactions uh yeah so this i think he's on a second release candidate
i think he's planning on or i think he's trying to get people to start running this
and there's just some good debate about his activation procedure and the effectiveness of
what he plans to do in the soft fork but i i think some of the best uh comments in this thread are
about um the underlying like motivations and the process of activation um it's very it's quite
deep in the thread i think not even on the first page you have to like curse into it but um optimism
has a great comment that just it's like very mature amateur is not the right which is very
well informed uh point of view on bitcoin and consensus i highly recommend reading it it's
this one right here right yes yeah like what like one of the things is that uh the activation
threshold is 55%,
which historically it's been 95%.
And we want 95% because it's kind of bad
if 45% of miners are still mining
on basically an invalid chain.
And so you kind of want everyone to be signaling
we're ready for this fork.
And one of the things Dathan does
is lower it to 55%.
That's the main issue that optimism picks out here.
But there are other things.
In a follow-up comment, he gets into a technical critique
of why he thinks the soft work is ineffective.
It's like a very sober,
very empathetic response to Dathan.
And I thought it was, it's just a great read
and really shows someone who really understands Bitcoin deeply, I think.
And I highly recommend it.
Yeah, it looks pretty long.
All right.
So I guess what are stackers supposed to do?
Just read this and then upgrade or don upgrade what are we uh what are you recommending here i recommend they read the discussion and decide what they want to do I don have a recommendation for them
I think, yeah, I think the general consensus,
the social consensus is that
all the data stuffing on-chain is bad
and we don't want it,
but we don't know how to solve it.
No one's proposed a solution
that everyone agrees is good and has has is not worse than doing nothing
so i guess what's the main thing are they still arguing about the same thing about the yes okay
spam spam spam shit coins spam then what side does optimism come come at it is he just kind of saying
history he comes out here he represents i think the rational sober person's point of view which
which is that, yes, data stuffing on Bitcoin is bad and we don't like it.
Bitcoin is money.
But we don't know how to prevent the data stuff on chain
without causing something worse.
That's basically what he's basically saying.
That's what he says right here, the root issue.
Yeah, I would read it if you want to understand his full point of view.
But that's basically it.
He calls out, he thinks that we should have done nothing,
that doing nothing is great.
We shouldn't have changed the data carrier size limit.
That's one example of doing nothing.
And the response to us changing,
the best response to the data carrier size limit changing
is doing nothing.
He's basically saying stop now.
It's just like, yeah, this doesn't need to escalate.
Yes, that was a mistake to change the data carrier size limits,
but it's also a mistake to run a hasty soft fork because you don't like it.
I see what you're saying.
Interesting.
Optimism, if you're watching this, which I know you are,
drop it in the comments.
I don't think he does.
No, he usually watches it a lot.
Sometimes he says he does.
So if you see this, definitely respond to what you want us to highlight here
because it sounds like it's –
Keon's saying it's this part, I guess, the root issue.
So it sounds like it's a sobering.
How did you describe Reino?
You said it was a non-biased or what was the word you used?
I would guess.
Yeah, I would guess it's just a.
Yeah, it's like.
Yeah, it's just I think he represents the like neither side of the debate.
The people who are foaming at the mouth about shit coins and data.
who we know people like this and then people who are you know kind of reactive reacting to those
people and are like no well the truth is you there's really not much you can do and we should
actually just allow the data there's just there's this middle ground where it's like this is a
reality of these systems that that accept data that people are going to make it look like valid
transactions oh wow so he even goes into the code too huh yeah he's looked at the code wow
there you go um interesting any other comments worth highlighting here or merge came in and they
they um looked at the activation procedure and kind of i guess there's like a lot of
his like historical background on that stuff and that's usually where a lot of people get
in debates around Bitcoin forks
after they agree on the changes
that have social consensus
is like how do we get it into the
actually running on the network.
And so we merged us some analysis of that.
But I guess that can be very tricky.
And I'm not super well-versed on it.
Optimism also links to a guide,
I think written by AJ Towns
about how to activate a soft fork,
which I think I'd seen before,
but I have not looked into.
So that's where I'd go if I actually wanted to,
and I should, understand these things.
He said he's watching live, by the way.
Ah, okay, fine.
Four times in the history of the show,
a car has been right.
Keep a count.
Okay.
Four times.
I wasn't going to say.
That's good.
Good stuff.
Well, we'll see if Optimism chimes in here later.
And we'll give him the floor to add anything.
And let us know if Coop screwed up so we can clear it up.
Cool stuff.
And then you had, I think that's it.
Oh, I want to share some stuff.
So did you see the Cloudflare stuff?
Oh, yeah.
I saw all the scores we shared.
Yeah.
Yeah, so basically what happened is Italy's trying to get them to block piracy.
And the CEO of Cloudflare said, not on my watch.
So that's what happened there.
He also thinks it's a very great possibility that they'll say it's for piracy now,
and then later it'll be because you are saying the wrong thing.
So we know how slippery slope that goes.
anyways do you got any thoughts on this are you pro cloudflare now are you still anti-cloudflare
kian still anti-cloudflare was i ever when did i when was i i think when i first met you're very
i think this is one of the times where you're wrong and the book i mean you've only been right
four times so we should just you should know that this is one of the many times more frequent times
that you're wrong um yeah uh you're not definitely pro cloudflare i'm not you know i don't have any
reason to be pro or against are you like are you pro that man that just walked by like i'm not
it's just yeah like i don't i'm pro tophar i'm pro tophar too but i especially when he has italian
food yeah i just don't i don't have i don't feel like i need to have an opinion on cloudflare so i
don't have one yeah okay well just kind of share that for the uh people at home
what about the people that are not at home what about the people on who are running around the
streets car i have nothing for them because they're not watching this very telling uh let
me see here the next one i wanted to bring up was um mockley did you see this so i posted this this
week i thought this was cool okay so let's make a fake message on yeah we can use discord what do
Who do you want to message?
You want to message Elon Musk?
I know.
We'll make this.
Coob.
We'll do this.
Wow.
Elon.
And then we'll make some messages here.
Oh, I'm messaging Elon.
Hey, Elon.
What's up, bro?
Bro.
He goes, yo, Coob.
Yo, Coob
Sick update this week
What if he did this?
Sick update this week
Thanks
What sucks
Boom
And then Elon goes
Nice
And then you go
Hey
Come through
through the lab
this week.
Anyways, I think you see where this is going.
And then, yeah, you just kind of do that.
Isn't that pretty cool?
You can be like, see ya
on Friday.
Because he's Elon, he says Friday, right?
It's that kind of guy.
Free ya.
Fry.
It's like not Friday, but it's like fry.
Yay.
Oh, hang on.
Fry-yay.
That's Elon.
He's that kind of guy.
See you on Fry-yay, meaning Friday, yeah.
All right.
What do you think about that?
That's your text message with Elon Musk.
Yeah, never thought I'd fake text message Elon Musk,
but here I am in 2026.
Pretty cool, right?
Yeah.
You can even do dark mode for the people that are, you know,
because Coop would have dark mode.
he probably would have dark book he probably don't know if i do have dark my dog would it be
trans i think i have the i think i have night shifts that one there turns on at night you're
not a status bar kind of guy right yeah and um yeah i think that looks legit how do you think
you'll use this other than i just wanted to show off because i thought it was pretty funny how like
you can make any messages or not any there's something to pay for but you can just fake a
message just like we did right now with you and elon yeah but i mean people have been doing this
themselves for a long time right yeah with like photoshop and stuff yeah i'm pretty cool right
yeah it's neat that we make it easier to lie to each other yeah yeah i think so anyways want to
share that one um and the last one is this one this just came in through late into the day
apparently nasa is evacuating an alien crew member did you hear about this this guy right here
That guy right there is, he's sick on the space station.
Oh, yeah.
And they didn't, I guess it's, yeah, I hope he's not super sick.
They didn't say what was wrong, but hopefully he doesn't have.
They basically said that when you send people up there,
you don't typically come back down if you're sick.
And they also said that they're supposed to do a spacewalk.
So these are them right there.
isn't that crazy that looks like a really comfortable chair too
what'd you say it looks like a really comfortable chair
i bet it is i bet it's pretty well padded they might even like make them spell for your body
oh you think so yeah i can see that it's weird that they they kind of lift off the ground like
that though it's like the the steel beam in there is that that's probably steel right
that here yeah yeah it's probably fixed in place this is kind of weird i don't know why they would
you just use velcro there is that velcro yeah it's because you don't have gravity and you're
not necessarily but what about when you're going up into space though what if you're just like
legs just go all the way up and you're just like well i think the forces are really high so it
pushes down.
Calm down.
Anyways, I thought it was cool.
I can't hear.
The thing is I can't hear.
She doesn't have a mic.
I think she's
like here and bored.
I think is what.
Oh, okay. Anyways.
Do you have any remedies,
poet, for him who's sick?
Yeah, do you have any?
You're a healer.
Yeah, this guy.
He looks like, what does he look like he has right there?
The guy in the reflection or the person I'm assuming inside the helmet.
No, the guy in the reflection.
He's the one that's sick.
What should he do?
What should he take up there?
Or should we just bring him home?
Vitamin D.
He's probably not getting enough sunshine.
Yeah, he does look like he has the COVID.
Could be.
Either that or...
yeah anyways this is like uh this is like the movie the martian anyways um that's all the stuff
that we got here on stacker news live this week i think that's everything right and then we got
the zine that's right one more thing but what is uh what is the zine this week um it's another
zine this week it's got eight pages and they're full of the top stories and the memes and the fun
little doodles and drawings um that you can come to expect from the zine every week and uh
we're looking at the cover page right there on the screen um and then we're looking at siggy's
story right there i like i liked that and then thank you very much koob for showing it off
Oh, so something I announced in this post is the next round of subscriptions is now available.
If you'd like to subscribe and receive a zine every Friday, or if you're outside the U.S. one time in bulk, then subscribe.
And you'll get all of January, February, and March zines.
Because I'm making them every week, and it's super fun.
You got any questions, Car?
I do have a lot of questions.
What is all this up here?
Where did you get that red from and all that kind of stuff?
What was the idea behind this?
Behind what part?
The front cover.
Oh, actually, I can show you exactly where that came from.
So I went to something I love to do is to go to our public library where there is a zine collection.
And I was inspired and I kind of ripped off this one.
Oh, wow.
That's really cool.
that looks like a Fahrenheit 451 type of thing.
Yeah, that's cool.
But, so yeah, I went over there and that was good.
I'm debating on if I should give some zines to the library.
But I...
Can they pay in sats, you think?
No, you just donate them.
I think it might be worth it.
I mean, we have some over there if you want to grab those.
Okay.
I mean it won't there's nothing like there's nothing really to be gained except like maybe
someone will happen to pick it up one day um my fear is someone picks it up doesn't like what they
see inside and then I become a target what do you mean become a target because the zine because
these zines would not necessarily be like welcome company among the types of zines that are there
oh I see what you're saying maybe make a maybe make a safe for the library edition next week
or something okay i'll try it actually that might be a fun challenge and then i'm probably going to
go every every month the library has like a zine night where they like make zines so i think i'm
going to go to that and then i'll take the library safe zine over there yeah i would because yeah you
don't want to get flagged and then they're like she's uh whatever right yeah they take it down to
the library or something but yeah i thought this one was really fun wow you did a better job of
covering the Venezuela thing than we just did.
That's awesome.
Oh.
Well, did you see the photo of Maduro in a bikini that got in there?
No.
Keep going down.
You just passed it.
What is that?
Is that a snake?
That's weird.
That's slime.
Oh, okay.
I passed it, you said.
Yeah, right there.
Over here, yeah.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Wow.
This is cool.
I like how you have the layout now.
This is a different type of layout, huh?
Or is it just for this edition?
I guess I kind of made things look a little bit more bold,
but it's not super different from normal, I don't think.
The way it has like this here at the top,
top and close, and then it has like this here on the side.
It's really cool.
Right.
Thanks.
Great job.
this feels very much alive this makes snacker news feel very much alive um well i'm glad it's um
feels it's warmer definitely warmer awesome and then where can they go they just click on this
right here to do the seasonal sub is that where they're just going to click on all right let's see
boom right there get them while they last or 30 000 cents 30k cents that's pretty it's pretty
inexpensive boom right here and you get your january february and march
yeah four zines a month for three months yeah cool stuff um great job we're gonna jump into the
meta stuff kian you released um cross posting this week i did yeah so now you can post to more
than one territory at a time.
That's the silly, wacky stuff we're doing here on Stacker News.
And, yeah, it's been cool seeing people do it.
And it, like, makes sense.
And, yeah.
And then Socks is continuing the WYSIWYG editor.
socks is that is kind of under the influence of a virus right now so he is
he's recovering and getting better so we weren't able to do any editor stuff this week everybody's
getting that on earth including outer space so sounds like uh sounds like it's
sounds like it's going all over the place
wow
yeah
who's that Jeff
Copa
he did such a good job
there yeah he's always pretty
like this guy I just saw like a clip of him
where he's on a jumbotron or something
and like as soon as
they show a picture of him on a jumbotron
he just like lights up and starts playing
to the camera he really is one of those
guys but I also heard another
crazy story where like
yeah some other weird stuff but we'll see that for after the show who's that guy from oh god
catch me if you can so like leonardo camprio no the other guy tom hanks no the other guy
there is no the older guy christopher walken christopher walken yeah so that's who jeff
goldblum reminds you of really yeah they have a similar kind of their cadence is like um it No but but they but no but no the like if you have like the quality of modifying cadence
or effect as a style thing yeah christopher walken also does that yeah i don't know did you ever see
the video where christopher walken's like dancing and stuff did you ever see that no but i saw the
he's walking no wait okay i see what you're saying it's not christopher dance it's like
christopher dancing anyways um the other one that you had was uh podcast what is this one here um
the auctions oh yeah it's about yeah yeah confusing with all these colors so scores
Scorsese was trying to make this approachable for people,
but I guess it didn't exactly.
Well, at least according to you, it was a little.
I'm just unfiltered.
I can say things.
Oh, he doesn't.
Yeah, I guess it was too much text, but the gist of it is that.
Also, I'm a visual learner.
I need images and stuff.
Plus, I know on Friday you're going to explain it to me, so I just wait, you know.
Which I know you hate.
No, I didn't mean to say anything like that.
I mostly just meant to explain the post, which is that everything on Stacker News, or the hot rank now, quote-unquote Zap rank, which doesn't really need its own name much anymore.
So what's the hot?
Wait, so start all over for the Stackers.
what's the hot rank um about the burn the burn color or that what you mean by hot rank no hot
rank is what is how the home page is ranked okay yeah yeah that's like the so it's just a more
ranking system yeah by by saps well there's many ways to sort things and hot is one type of sort
which has this timeliness to it so things that are more recent and also popular rank higher in a hot
rank so we're not going by web of trust anymore is what you're saying that is one aspect of it
um that has been removed as we don't we've removed trust from ranking and it's all based on sats so
basically posts that have more sats either in the form of zaps from other people or boost wasn't that
originally how it was originally um when you first launched it was it always we were just
no it was not always web of trust but it was never purely based on sats because we couldn't
um i thought when i got on there like 21 it was just sets wasn't it well for the as as i'll say
again no okay yeah i was checking yeah um been a long time 25 no we're in 26 now gosh five years
stacker needs huh yeah nearly i mean not not exactly yet but i think he launched it what march
uh no i think it was june of 21 is when i launched it and then it wasn't really a company
it was just yeah just kind of me then what did i meet you like in may or april i think it was like
july maybe august okay was that with the bitcoin conferences
yeah i think so i think it was like july probably
it's a long time i don't think i'd launch no it was in i think it was early summer or spring that
year and i hadn't even launched it yet yeah i was just working i was almost done with it i was
because i remember i went up there and i was like i might open source it oh wow yeah that was so i
i was just at the point where it was like working but you had web of trust back then
no okay no so if you want the full history of ranking it was like sort of a normal
sort of a normal ranking where i would like count the number of people who had zapped it
and that's how it was ranked and then eventually that evolved um two an hour ago to being weighted
to being uh based on the number of people and the amount that they zapped and then eventually that
changed to web of trust and then it was web of trust with civil resistance uh in it like financial
civil resistance in addition to the trust civil resistance and then now we're just on financial
civil resistance is basically the way to view it everything is based on sats there you go it's right
here it's all in the details pretty cool yeah look at more sats than cowboy credits on this one
interesting that's kind of frequently how it is anything down here you want to cover what's this
down here oh we're trying to one of the things we've been wanting to do is um allow things to
be ranked not or not things things currently decay based on the time when the item was posted
and not when the zapping occurs but or we've been discussing for a long time and undisciplined has
been a champion of this approach where we rank things based on when zaps occur so that something
that's old if it gets a big zap today possibly ends up on the front page again maybe again or
maybe for the first time, maybe it was ignored the first time it was post a year ago and it got
no zaps at all, but maybe undisciplined or someone finds it and they're like, man, this is great. I
wish, I wish more people saw this and they can go and zap it and it ends up back on that front page.
So you have things that are potentially a little bit older that can compete with new things.
And, um, yeah, so we're exploring ways to do that. And simple stacker came up with,
I think probably like the simplest approach to doing this,
which is this exponential decay.
Yeah.
I feel like I usually just sort by top.
And so I just go to this anyway,
and I'll just go here and I'll just do one of these or I'll do recent,
you know, that kind of, I feel like I do that anyway.
So, but there was a time where I didn't do that just because I felt like this
was very confusing but maybe over the years i've gotten used to how to use this more effectively
but uh other than that i think it's fine i don't know are you going to change anything now or
anything more um yeah so i'd like to experiment with the uh the zap based uh time decay i'd also
like to maybe refine the game theory around um like the actions and how much they contribute to
ranking there was some discussion i had in there with optimism about that another thing i'd like
to do is for really banger comments to somehow end up on the front page like one of the like
most people i think would have missed optimism's comment had he not put it in the saloon or if
weren't subscribed to optimism and so what i'd like to do is if a comment gets a really high zap
somehow surface that among um posts so that people don't miss it because sometimes they can get
really buried and that's really where a lot of the value happens um that's like another thing i want
to do ranking eventually but i really need to work on onboarding so i'll probably be working on that
more than yeah because you can still sort by top comments right
um yeah but most people are not going deep into panels like this and knowing to look for these
things what you kind of want is the default experience to be the best experience you can
give and so surfacing high value comments on the home page a little bit would probably be good
also encourage people to create or even inside the saloon i would say i don't know how you would
do that but yeah the saloon might be okay but i think even the saloon is kind of like mostly uh
people who are quite frequent stackers so you kind of want people who are lurkers to be able to find
these like hidden yeah what is the you want the average experience to be great better yeah not
not the deep experience to be great and the average experience to be decent yeah um cool
let's jump back into here i think that's everything optimism did chime in he said um
he said watching live p.s that's not what signal looks like laughing which yeah uh he did say my
comment to cube got it pretty close to what i was trying to convey i think what bottom line i tried
to do is to be as non-aggressive as i can on a topic that is endlessly pisses me off but explain
why i am not supporting their soft work because the assertion earlier was in quotes you just like
data and the soft work is the best way best and only way to fix it end quote i think that not
fixing it is better than the soft work but i also think that if we really just want to measure how
many bitcoiners slash miners support this then this isn't so painful and it could be done without
massive risk yeah there's said yeah dathan had some weird things to say in that thread where it's
like i asked bitcoiners if they like data on chain and they say no therefore they support the soft
fork like it's like that that was that's like his chain of reasoning and uh i don't think they do
support the soft fork i think i think they they oppose the soft fork and don't like data on chain
and those those two things are true so uh that's what i'd guess and yeah i think that's what
optimism is trying to help him say yeah really interesting stuff um yeah it's been a busy week
on stacker news i didn't realize just a lot of stuff um got the youtube well i guess we'll go
to the most popular segment of Bitcoin
outside of Wombo's Picks is the
Cowboy segment.
Key on, Gideon, nope.
Are you saying Wombo's Picks is competing
with the Cowboy segment? It is. I think it definitely
is. I think eventually it'll just
take over the whole show. Eventually it'll just
be the top
three Wombo Picks of the week
or, you know, it'll just be that.
We got Coop.
Number two, Undiscipline, Blockchain
Boog. There's
Toshi, Optimism, Scores, BOT,
T. Womble. Oh, Womble's coming up.
Number 14. Wow.
End of the mic. Yeah.
Looks like nothing
has changed.
Aardvark came back this week. Did you see that?
Yeah, it came back strong. He said he
also put on the
LBs. You will see
some of his comeback as a
fit
influencer. Real big boy dog he's been
hanging around too.
Yeah.
How many? How come we had to swap?
oh two days okay it's not bad you put your old thriller logo up sure did buddy because somebody
deleted mine are we gonna this huh i said because somebody deleted mine oh yeah the thriller gonna
come back uh i've just been posting on there just for my own personal stuff um i mean people like to
read my stuff coob i don't explain it some things don't defy explanation car i think so
Yeah, that's pretty much everything here.
Let's jump into the...
Where is it at?
Where is it at here?
Oh, yeah, let's jump into the YouTube comments.
So this was on the graphene one.
It says, you own graphene, not going mainstream.
It's privacy OS.
I don't understand that comment.
Vake did say, stay on Coruscant about your Darth Plagueis post.
not your post but um you know i'm trying to say croissant's like the main empire
planet is that the one that um princess leia got demolished on like that's not her planet right
i mean at this point vaik is like a star wars expert oh yeah that was his post wasn't that his
post yeah vaik was the one who reviewed oh yeah that's right you were the one that was talking
about it i forget yeah i'm not i'm i'm so bad with this kind of the nouns and stuff in media
i'll i'm i do not but i know coruscant sounds like one of the main i feel like that was the
one from returns where the empire is like that was the one where they left um what's his name on
um han solo was on coruscant i could be wrong i'm sure fake will fix this next week i thought it's
yeah i don't know i actually and then the other one was at my favorite post last week was the cats
one dude that's so funny um apparently this person says just flexibility i didn't know that
i learn something new every week cats are flexible turns out or you know turns out it's not just
i thought they were like you know they're born with it just like you know like lady gaga yeah
Maybe they are just born with it.
And then blockchain book said
Zamp. Somebody else said
stay in your lane and great Ruby.
There you go. That's all the comments
this week. Man, I'm just out of
energy.
It's been a busy
week, man. I know. I've been back and forth.
It's been a good week, but it's just been
super busy.
Yeah, you were here early.
I gotta be here early tomorrow again.
You're on your second Mega Red Bull.
Mega Bull!
i'm a mega bull um that's pretty much everything uh keon what are you doing this week or this
weekend i should this weekend i don't know what i'm doing i don't think there's a there's supposed
to be a protest downtown i saw that yeah uh i don't know it's kind of stupid i don't know what
they're protesting do you know it's never important never it's not important it's never important
yeah so that's going on so i'm i'll probably walk through that no it's this way and then
tomorrow it's supposed to be out there by 2nd
street. Okay, so maybe I won't.
And then Sunday, like,
you shouldn't be getting mad on Sunday anyway, but
there's going to be people out there on Sunday.
So, it's a whole thing, man.
The world is collapsing on itself, Keon.
This is what happens.
This is what happens when,
you know,
it's just a weird time.
But I think it's
been great.
I don't know.
It's been a good week for me, but maybe not for everybody.
Yeah.
Most weeks for me are bad, so this is a turnaround.
Oh, yeah.
It does sound like you've had a pretty good week.
I've been, yeah.
You've got a star every day this week so far.
It looks like.
It's hanging up right there.
Just kidding.
What did you say?
I said it's hanging up right there.
Oh.
Yeah.
What are you doing this weekend?
i think uh i think i'm gonna go hang out with my friends um probably tomorrow probably tomorrow
evening you have friends i have friends normie normie friends we're all friends wow what do you
guys do you guys talk about i haven't seen him in a while and i think um one of the guys i know he
finally got a job because he had lost his job i think i talked about on the show like last year
around september yeah or the last time i hung out with him and then he finally got a job so
celebrating him getting a job kind of yeah because you know how hard it is out there
or maybe you don't the stangers at home probably do it's hard out there yeah he's taking all your
jobs the robots are oh it was because he's in it or i don't know what it i don't know what his new
title is going to be but it's going to be interesting can't wait to find out okay well
yeah it's always good to hang out with them because i get a sense of like what is going on
in the world outside of my little bubble yeah it is weird it is it is fun to check in with people
who aren't you know i guess yeah in our weird little enclave yeah so that should be fun car
what are you gonna do this weekend kiona i don't think i'm gonna do i don't think i'm gonna do much
of anything i've been uh i've been doing a lot of admin so that feels good what about your rice
Are you still cooking rice?
I did cook rice, and it does turn out like you would want it to.
Did you try it with sushi?
Are you doing sushi yet or no?
Are you still holding off on that?
I did not try to do sushi with it, but I made my own seasoned vinegar.
So you're doing like the – like how are you doing?
Are you doing like making them into little bubbles and then eating them,
or like how are you doing it?
No, I was just eating them in a bowl.
but uh you make the rice and then you add rice vinegar which is a seasoned vinegar which is
sure they add a little bit of sugar and salt to it yeah and that's basically sushi rice and it
does taste exactly you just haven't put fish on it i put canned sardines which is not the same
because the flavor is dude throw some sushi on there man i'm curious yeah i mean that way that
way um because did i tell you that or yeah you saw it earlier i ate the guy's food i didn't tell
you it was good oh it was pretty good yeah you had like an egg curry right i never had an egg in a
curry but we haven't for the stackers that are listening we have a neighbor next door and he
gave me um his lunch i didn't beat him up for it he just gave it to me it was kind of funny
he wanted me to try it do you know where he i think he's indian yeah oh okay i thought he might
be Pakistani. I'm a man of the people,
Kim. You are, really?
Yeah, he gave you... Yeah, he was just like, here you go.
I brought this for you. I was like, wow.
Well, you're a loyal customer.
And you're
a gregarious man.
But, yeah, you should
bring some sushi.
Oh, bring sushi?
I didn't realize I'm a supplier now.
I just want to try your
personal chef.
Maybe we could do a sushi day or something.
yeah i could bring the rice and someone else brings everything how do you know how to do how
do you but don't you i thought you said you couldn't do it from costco the fish no you can
i said the opposite you can oh yeah you just want to get farmed farm raised fish because throw it on
top yeah you slice it and you throw it on top yeah maybe we could do a sushi day yeah we do a sushi
day all right stackers have yourself a great weekend keel zap all right