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live from plan lab in austin texas this is stacker news live

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hello ladies and welcome back to another side of this is my name is carl with the

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It could be about Keon and Gianna.

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That's not me.

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Oh, Plopo.

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Dox.

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Wow.

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Starting off with the dox.

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Strong.

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Strong doxing.

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Right there.

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Strong dox.

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How was your week, Keon?

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Rapper name?

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My week was great.

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Oh, it was like, I was around and over and into.

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What?

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I did so many things.

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strong docs though that is a pretty cool name strong docs say more about that guy he's maybe

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like a music producer yeah just just hit the radio waves the radio yeah like the internet

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radio waves what are you like they're still 70 years old they're not uh you know this is like no

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he's hip, so

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he does it

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like the old school.

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He does it like a

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rapper or something?

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He runs a radio station

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out of his

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mom's house.

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Sure.

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But he's good.

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And so people are

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picking up on it.

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They're like,

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man, this guy's

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grinding.

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that strong

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dog synergy.

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I know.

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That's cool.

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I want to meet him

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for sure.

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Sounds great.

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I don't know if

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you'd like him.

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Why?

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I don't know.

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He's kind of

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angry.

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That's okay.

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All right.

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You like angry people.

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I used to.

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How was your week, Carr?

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It was good.

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Well, let's go with Jana first.

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Jana, keep talking.

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How was your week?

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And I'll say a little bit about my week, even though I'm not Jana right now.

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All right.

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I'm sorry.

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Spooky.

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Double docks.

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Strikes again.

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Guess what I got to do this week?

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I'll tell you.

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I got to repaint an exterior sign.

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Can you say that in English?

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Wow.

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What's the difference between an exterior sign and an interior sign?

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It stays outside all the time.

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Okay, so it has different environments.

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You've got to consider how it's going to weather.

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Well, that's why I had to repaint it because it was weathered.

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Someone did not consider the exterior requirements.

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You know, it was about four years old and everything just has its time.

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So it was time to give it.

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It was an illustration.

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It was letters.

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It was plants.

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So it was kind of like a coloring book.

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It was exactly like a coloring book.

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I thought that while I was doing it, and it was really fun.

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It was probably like four feet tall by like seven feet, eight feet wide.

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Oh, that's a lot of paint.

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It was a lot of paint.

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It took me three days, and it was a good time.

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If you go to the place where I work part-time, you can see it.

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What if we don't want to go there?

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How do we see it?

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I have a picture of it.

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I'd like to see a picture of it.

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If you're my friend, maybe I'll show you the picture.

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Well, maybe we can get one of your friends to look at it and tell me what it's like.

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There you go.

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I didn't paint any signs this week.

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Carter, did you paint any signs?

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No, but it's weird because I'm on here now.

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it's not showing me my

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usual Stacker News thing.

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I guess it's live.

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Yeah, it's live, but it just didn't.

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It just didn't, like, for whatever reason,

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you have a blue checkmark right now.

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I think so.

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Okay, because for whatever

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reason, if you go to the profile page on

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Stacker News, it's not showing

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on the profile page.

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Anyways.

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Elon Musk has always had it out for me.

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I know. For sure.

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He's a hater.

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He knows about you and everything.

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No, my week was great up until like 30 minutes, hour ago.

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You know, one of the things that bothers me the most is we're car rants today.

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Sending 430 emails, right?

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It's like, here's a nuclear bomb.

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Let me send you a 430 email.

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Yeah.

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You'd prefer it in the morning?

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Prefer it in the morning.

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Preferably have a Monday, you know.

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It would be great.

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That's fair.

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Not like a Friday at 4.30 or at 3.30 right before you're going to do a live show, you know?

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That is a bad time to get a bad email.

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I can agree.

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So I had to take care of that right before the show.

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And then that's why we're late 30 minutes, Snackers.

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But other than that, it's going pretty good.

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You got a hair done.

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What did I do this week?

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Yeah.

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What did I do this week?

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I'm trying to think.

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Yeah, look at the fresh, yeah.

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You got some plans?

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You got a date?

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Trying to think what I did this week.

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Oh, maybe because.

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Trying to think.

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he's not going to listen, but probably.

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Give it a girl's name this time, man.

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Yeah, it's a great week.

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I got my bots coding for me.

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Saving some money on some sass.

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Apparently there's an open claw

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hackathon going on upstairs at Antler.

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I think Nick's going to go.

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Should we crash it?

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Yeah, you should totally crush it

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I could just show up and be like, I'll write an article about it

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That might work

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And then just write a hate piece on

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Open Claw

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Wait, have you not made your own Open Claw?

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Have you not done that yet?

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What do you think?

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Yes, because your husband

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Am I my husband?

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Oh, wow

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We got this Janet today

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Triple talks

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It's okay

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It's good for the show.

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Let me go ahead and get started.

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If you've never seen this crazy show before, it's called Stacker News Live.

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We cover the top three stories on Stacker.News every week here on Fridays at 4 p.m. Central Standard Time, Texas Time in Austin, Texas.

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Yeah, so check it out.

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Last week, the most popular – oh, yeah, we should mention we had John Corvallo on last week if you missed the episode.

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Womble clipped it.

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Check it out.

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It was a really good conversation there.

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And then last week, the most popular video was the creator of Open Claw.

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Turns out everybody wants to hear about him.

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We'll talk more about him later in the show, but the guy's all over the place, Keon.

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That's what you guys keep saying.

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Yeah, he's on every podcast.

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Did you listen on this podcast?

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I learned what flavor ice cream he likes.

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He's kind of a popular dev right now.

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I think it is.

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I think, yeah.

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It's kind of cool.

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Yeah, we're going to jump into the number three top story.

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I effed around and found out about Open Claw so you don't have to.

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5,439 sats, 220k boosts.

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No, 220 sats boosts.

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41 comments from Billy the Kid.

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February 10th, AI territory.

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That's the mouthful.

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Keon, what's this?

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Yeah, so it looks like Billy the Kid.

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They set up their OpenClaw, and they reported back on how they're using it and how they view it.

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A bit of context.

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They're not very technical, but they got sort of technical.

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They got IT-level technical when they got into Bitcoin,

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because all that stuff is really useful when you're trying to do Bitcoin things,

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just to know how computers work and stuff.

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It's kind of table stakes.

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yeah so they were they felt like they could handle setting up open claw and so they did

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yeah I guess they they named their claw bot or their multi they named it Luis or I don't know

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if you'd say it is that is that like I don't know if that's the right way to say when did you say

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Lewis and when do you say Luis I think it's what it's spelled l-o-u-i-s I think Lewis and then

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And Luis is like Spanish.

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So if I'm south of the border.

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But you can say both.

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I think they'll answer to both.

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What about Louis?

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You wouldn't say Louis?

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Oh, yeah, you're right.

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I didn't even think about that.

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But what about Luis then?

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So it's like Luis, Louis, Louis, Louis.

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Yeah.

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I'm confused too.

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Actually, we need somebody smart to figure this out.

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That will, this post isn't about names.

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So that's good.

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Because we would do a bad job.

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So I guess the main thing they ended up using them for are these kind of everyday tasks they're doing.

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So putting things in their calendar, I guess they would chat with a chatbot and be like, put this in my calendar.

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Another interesting thing they did was they would take pictures of receipts and have the bot put it into a spreadsheet for them.

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So it was kind of like doing automatic bookkeeping, which is kind of neat.

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and then they said they had some

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some of the periodic things they did

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was they'd have it do deep research on

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things that they were curious about and send

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them updates

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and then weather

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reminders of

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various kinds

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and they end it with

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some things that you should consider when running it

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I guess that they felt

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like they learned

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you don't want to

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run it on its own machine

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not on like your personal computer

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and you don't want to give it pseudo access

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depending on how you

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plan on using that machine but

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it's always a good thing to not give

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software that you don't trust

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you know prevent it from having pseudo

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don't let it near your bitcoin obviously

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yeah for sure

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and you'll need you know

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you should know that you're going to need

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to be using a cloud LLM most likely

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unless you've spent a lot on running local models yourself

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or willing to do all that.

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Those people might not even be using something like OpenClaw.

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And then he warned people away from using Claw Hub,

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which is where all of these third-party skills are hosted,

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and many of them have been found to have malware in them.

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You should probably not.

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They suspect that most people will be writing their own skills anyway.

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Are you guys going, Ted?

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I'm just going to check it out.

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Okay.

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They're going to go check out the open claw thing.

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A lot of people in the lab are going to an open claw event.

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It's a real phenomenon.

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Yeah, dude.

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I think it's a game changer.

283
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Yeah.

284
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I keep saying that.

285
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I think that's the 1,000th time.

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Yeah.

287
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I'm surprised he didn't install it on DigitalOcean.

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So I installed another one on DigitalOcean this week just to play around with that kind of onboarding process.

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I think I like it better

290
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because then from there I can just connect it to its own workspace Slack

291
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that's kind of

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the thing I've been doing

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because I feel like from there

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then I can just get it to do GitHub stuff

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and all it needs is my

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GitHub or you can just spin up another

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GitHub for it if you want

298
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why couldn't you do that locally here?

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I tried, I mean right now I'm doing the prayers app

300
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in here

301
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but I think I like the DigitalOcean one better

302
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personally

303
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is it a networking issue?

304
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because that would be the only real...

305
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No, I think I just like that kind of sandbox-ish.

306
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Oh, you like it kind of far away.

307
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You feel vulnerable with it.

308
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Yeah, I don't want to plug it into, like, you know what I mean?

309
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So that's kind of my least thinking around it,

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but I don't know.

311
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What do you got, PlotPoet?

312
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I think that anything that Kara likes,

313
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this is the pattern that I've noticed.

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If Kara likes it, it's a game changer.

315
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Ah.

316
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Yeah.

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A game changer for everyone.

318
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What do you think about that right there?

319
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What game?

320
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I don't know what I think about that.

321
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It makes me feel like...

322
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Threatened.

323
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As where?

324
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Just as a machine?

325
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Well, look.

326
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It's like menacing looking.

327
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But also it's Terminator, yeah.

328
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Like Terminator, yeah.

329
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Trying to be cool.

330
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Yeah.

331
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It's confusing.

332
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It kind of looks like the...

333
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Which is pretty awesome.

334
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I just want to...

335
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I'm sorry to keep saying this, but it needs to be said once again.

336
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Say it.

337
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Like the memes this week, and this one including ass.

338
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They are, they are, one word description, ass?

339
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They're ass.

340
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That's right.

341
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And that's what I'm saying today.

342
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Wow.

343
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I believe it.

344
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Really bringing the energy up there.

345
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Let's see what Optimism says because he's optimistic.

346
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and he says say it uploads your encryptify with your secrets to archive of alien i can't read that

347
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and then in 10 years when all the qc boys get it their way they'll decrypt a lot and well correlate

348
00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,880
ah it has access to your calendar cool now it probably knows who you are also can verify that

349
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against your business receipts so in 10 years above mentioned site turns into a search engine

350
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and then the public doesn't need epstein psyops because we can just read all daddy and mommy

351
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secrets online because future employers be like sorry you disqualified for this job because your

352
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daddy had picked some booty in a cryptophile so you have yeah i don't know what did that mean kian

353
00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:40,640
yeah he's basically just saying that if your encryption doesn't protect you from uh the future

354
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i guess if if we imagine that a lot of encryption will be broken in the future storing you know the

355
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The fact that you have something encrypted, if it's stored somewhere or someone has a copy of it,

356
00:14:52,660 --> 00:14:54,640
that means in the future they might be able to decrypt it.

357
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So it's not future-proof, potentially.

358
00:15:00,340 --> 00:15:06,020
Yeah, I don't know about that, because there's a lot of stuff that I made in the 2010s and 2000s

359
00:15:06,020 --> 00:15:07,260
that's not online anymore.

360
00:15:09,660 --> 00:15:12,960
Yeah, someone might delete it, but times have changed.

361
00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:19,300
I mean, he's making sort of a troll-y joke point, but I think it's a real point.

362
00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:20,320
Yeah, I get what he's saying.

363
00:15:20,420 --> 00:15:24,960
He's saying more like in the future, everything will be –

364
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you put yourself at potentially being doxxed in the future.

365
00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,840
He's basically saying there is no time with this kind of stuff.

366
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Timelines don't exist.

367
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They're all – what's the word I'm looking for?

368
00:15:37,940 --> 00:15:42,940
They're all – it's like Matthew McConaughey at the end of –

369
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interstellar where it's just

370
00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,260
it's just like a library.

371
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Be a lot cooler if you did.

372
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Yeah.

373
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That's literally what it is.

374
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He's saying, right?

375
00:15:51,740 --> 00:15:52,700
No, that's a different movie.

376
00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:53,500
All your encrypted files there.

377
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No, not the same thing.

378
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I think he's just mostly saying

379
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that you should take more

380
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precautions than you think

381
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which is always a good

382
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reminder for people.

383
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The fact that you've encrypted

384
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these files on your computer

385
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co-located with Open Claw

386
00:16:08,100 --> 00:16:09,720
you feel safe because yeah

387
00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:10,660
maybe Open Claw will

388
00:16:10,660 --> 00:16:12,060
throw them on the cloud somewhere.

389
00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:12,880
How was it?

390
00:16:12,940 --> 00:16:15,860
There is?

391
00:16:17,060 --> 00:16:17,500
Nice.

392
00:16:17,820 --> 00:16:19,080
Dude, that's crazy.

393
00:16:20,460 --> 00:16:21,520
How many people are there?

394
00:16:24,180 --> 00:16:25,220
That's not a lot of people.

395
00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,120
I was expecting like 100 something people.

396
00:16:28,700 --> 00:16:29,500
Maybe they're coming.

397
00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:31,780
All the clawers are coming out.

398
00:16:31,780 --> 00:16:32,380
Oh, yeah.

399
00:16:34,460 --> 00:16:35,720
Anyway, that's cool.

400
00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:38,380
Sorry, Keon.

401
00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:39,960
He looked excited.

402
00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,320
cool stuff

403
00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:44,460
Kian what's your thoughts on this

404
00:16:44,460 --> 00:16:46,440
are you going to install it

405
00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:47,340
do you have an open claw

406
00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:49,460
I'm going to put it on a computer

407
00:16:49,460 --> 00:16:51,240
so that people stop asking me

408
00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,520
I'm not left out

409
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all my friends have

410
00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,260
silicon children

411
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and keep asking me when I'm going to have my

412
00:16:58,460 --> 00:16:59,920
silicon child

413
00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:02,980
why aren't you having a silicon child

414
00:17:02,980 --> 00:17:04,520
Kian what's wrong with you

415
00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,180
aren't you going to do what

416
00:17:06,180 --> 00:17:08,820
the internet wants for you

417
00:17:08,820 --> 00:17:10,500
stuff like that

418
00:17:10,500 --> 00:17:13,180
Bitcoin PlebDev got mentioned in this article

419
00:17:13,180 --> 00:17:13,880
there at the bottom

420
00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,540
yeah what did it say?

421
00:17:16,120 --> 00:17:18,900
I think it was at Bitcoin PlebDev that made a comment

422
00:17:18,900 --> 00:17:20,960
about how Bitcoiners ought not to be

423
00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:21,920
Luddites

424
00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,500
Austin do you stand behind that?

425
00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,200
this is what I was telling you about somebody quoting you

426
00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,300
as a Bitcoiner

427
00:17:33,300 --> 00:17:33,920
should I care?

428
00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,840
I think it was Bitcoiners ought to not be Luddites

429
00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,420
I quite agree

430
00:17:39,420 --> 00:17:42,580
and it is

431
00:17:42,580 --> 00:17:44,840
this sentiment that prompted me to get on

432
00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:45,620
and give it a try

433
00:17:45,620 --> 00:17:48,700
however piping AI data centers

434
00:17:48,700 --> 00:17:50,500
directly into your home machines

435
00:17:50,500 --> 00:17:52,940
should be anathema

436
00:17:52,940 --> 00:17:55,000
to the cypherpunk ethos

437
00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,740
can these polls be bridged

438
00:17:56,740 --> 00:17:57,800
listen I agree

439
00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,700
I hope you didn't take my comment as

440
00:18:00,700 --> 00:18:02,340
I should run open claw

441
00:18:02,340 --> 00:18:04,600
because I regret

442
00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:05,820
showing car open claw

443
00:18:05,820 --> 00:18:09,080
it's dangerous

444
00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:09,560
it's not

445
00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:10,680
it's not only

446
00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:11,360
is it not good

447
00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:12,160
why do you

448
00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:12,700
literally were

449
00:18:12,700 --> 00:18:13,380
telling me yesterday

450
00:18:13,380 --> 00:18:14,060
like I'm glad

451
00:18:14,060 --> 00:18:15,020
you're coding now

452
00:18:15,020 --> 00:18:15,440
I'm glad

453
00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:16,060
like maybe

454
00:18:16,060 --> 00:18:16,940
no I am

455
00:18:16,940 --> 00:18:17,340
I am

456
00:18:17,340 --> 00:18:17,700
I'm glad

457
00:18:17,700 --> 00:18:18,200
I'm glad

458
00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:18,840
it makes me happy

459
00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:19,140
to see

460
00:18:19,140 --> 00:18:19,460
tell me how you

461
00:18:19,460 --> 00:18:19,880
really feel

462
00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:20,080
you know

463
00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:20,580
not only

464
00:18:20,580 --> 00:18:21,580
is it bad

465
00:18:21,580 --> 00:18:22,340
for your machine

466
00:18:22,340 --> 00:18:23,080
and your security

467
00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:23,760
and your opsec

468
00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:24,840
but I think

469
00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:25,540
it's really bad

470
00:18:25,540 --> 00:18:26,260
for your brain

471
00:18:26,260 --> 00:18:26,840
and your

472
00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,900
social skills

473
00:18:28,900 --> 00:18:29,780
no I'm just kidding

474
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I'm being a little

475
00:18:30,300 --> 00:18:31,240
bit sarcastic here

476
00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:31,500
but

477
00:18:31,500 --> 00:18:32,400
we're turning

478
00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:32,940
we're turning

479
00:18:32,940 --> 00:18:33,340
the world

480
00:18:33,340 --> 00:18:33,980
into autism

481
00:18:33,980 --> 00:18:34,880
it's not just

482
00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,200
Nah, I don't have an autism bone in me.

483
00:18:37,820 --> 00:18:40,620
But no, I do stand by this.

484
00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,720
We need to, you know, I believe I'm playing around with open claw.

485
00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:51,560
But for me, I'm playing around with it from the sense of this thing is happening.

486
00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:52,900
What is that?

487
00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,100
How is this going to look for Bitcoiners?

488
00:18:55,100 --> 00:19:00,360
How is this going to look for us that want to keep our data private, local, that want to be adversarial?

489
00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:01,300
Right.

490
00:19:01,300 --> 00:19:06,800
understanding, recognizing that things are changing, this paradigm shift is happening.

491
00:19:07,100 --> 00:19:14,160
But at the same time, if it's happening, I require that it must happen within my principles.

492
00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:15,280
Right?

493
00:19:15,420 --> 00:19:17,360
So how do we figure that out?

494
00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:17,520
Right?

495
00:19:17,580 --> 00:19:20,480
And I mean, that doesn't have to happen.

496
00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:21,380
That's just on us.

497
00:19:21,380 --> 00:19:27,100
We just have to open clause here and we need to make open clause suitable for Bitcoiners

498
00:19:27,100 --> 00:19:28,940
and useful for Bitcoiners,

499
00:19:29,100 --> 00:19:31,400
or else we're going to be left in the dust

500
00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,180
or just have to choose between, yeah,

501
00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,480
being left in the dust or giving up our data to big tech.

502
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,740
We can use these tools and develop our own tools.

503
00:19:43,340 --> 00:19:44,380
Yeah, whatever.

504
00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:45,680
Being a Luddite isn't the answer.

505
00:19:46,060 --> 00:19:47,040
We have to be practical,

506
00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,260
and if the ground is shifting beneath us,

507
00:19:49,580 --> 00:19:51,940
we need to react to it appropriately.

508
00:19:51,940 --> 00:19:54,320
So you're saying you want every Bitcoiner using OpenClaw?

509
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,240
I'm saying I want every Bitcoiner thinking about OpenClaw

510
00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,740
and thinking about what this means

511
00:19:58,740 --> 00:20:00,640
and preparing

512
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,360
for, yeah

513
00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:04,480
the death of the internet

514
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:09,640
Right now I'm working on two GitHub projects

515
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,440
I'm probably going to start my fourth next week

516
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,240
Bro's got rebos

517
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,400
Dude, I have so many ideas

518
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,540
I've been trying to get these guys to do for years

519
00:20:18,540 --> 00:20:19,360
and now

520
00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:20,820
it's unleashed

521
00:20:20,820 --> 00:20:22,600
I'm unleashed

522
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,600
Do you tell them my challenge?

523
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:25,600
Huh?

524
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:37,462
No what was your here use the mic they can hear you Sorry What was your challenge My challenge for Carr is uh he cause he telling me about how he vibe coding every day I like give me a give me a URL I can visit

525
00:20:38,162 --> 00:20:38,842
There you go.

526
00:20:39,742 --> 00:20:40,362
Wait, what?

527
00:20:40,602 --> 00:20:41,162
Oh yeah, yeah.

528
00:20:41,222 --> 00:20:42,902
I got that figured out here very soon.

529
00:20:43,122 --> 00:20:45,362
I just learned next, or my bot just learned next JS.

530
00:20:45,782 --> 00:20:48,082
So that's, we're getting, that's great.

531
00:20:48,162 --> 00:20:49,402
That is domain technology.

532
00:20:49,862 --> 00:20:51,342
Dude, I was telling Austin the other day.

533
00:20:51,402 --> 00:20:52,802
I was like, that's in the right domain.

534
00:20:52,802 --> 00:20:56,502
I told him the other day, I was like, dude, GitHub is freaking awesome.

535
00:20:57,022 --> 00:20:58,942
Like, I had no idea how great.

536
00:20:58,942 --> 00:20:59,722
It triggered me so much when he said that.

537
00:21:00,082 --> 00:21:02,002
I had no idea how awesome GitHub was.

538
00:21:02,002 --> 00:21:03,162
Why did it trigger you?

539
00:21:03,882 --> 00:21:05,562
Because you've learned to hate GitHub?

540
00:21:06,402 --> 00:21:06,822
No, me.

541
00:21:06,822 --> 00:21:10,122
Oh, have I learned to hate GitHub by the influencers I listen to?

542
00:21:10,622 --> 00:21:10,902
No.

543
00:21:11,082 --> 00:21:11,342
No.

544
00:21:11,942 --> 00:21:15,802
For me, I just never understood how it functioned.

545
00:21:16,242 --> 00:21:17,662
But now I'm like, it's kind of cool.

546
00:21:17,662 --> 00:21:20,982
You can have your own Git locally, and then you can have your Git repo on.

547
00:21:20,982 --> 00:21:23,042
Oh, and to Git, not GitHub.

548
00:21:23,502 --> 00:21:24,502
No, GitHub too.

549
00:21:25,142 --> 00:21:26,782
Because I run my own local Git

550
00:21:26,782 --> 00:21:28,642
and then have it and then post it.

551
00:21:29,062 --> 00:21:29,862
Is that how it works?

552
00:21:30,122 --> 00:21:31,422
That's right. That's the flow.

553
00:21:32,202 --> 00:21:33,782
Tell them about Git, Jana.

554
00:21:34,682 --> 00:21:36,562
Carl, let me tell you how long I've been doing that.

555
00:21:37,882 --> 00:21:38,282
Wow.

556
00:21:38,482 --> 00:21:39,402
On my own.

557
00:21:39,702 --> 00:21:42,922
Hey, we all got to start somewhere at some time.

558
00:21:43,422 --> 00:21:43,862
Right, Ted?

559
00:21:44,242 --> 00:21:44,522
Yep.

560
00:21:47,282 --> 00:21:48,202
But no, it is cool.

561
00:21:48,202 --> 00:21:49,582
No, you're right. It is super cool.

562
00:21:49,582 --> 00:21:50,222
Yeah, I can't wait.

563
00:21:50,342 --> 00:21:52,382
I really want to make something really cool.

564
00:21:52,982 --> 00:21:53,282
Good.

565
00:21:53,642 --> 00:21:54,082
Sweet.

566
00:21:54,182 --> 00:21:54,822
Looking forward to doing it.

567
00:21:55,442 --> 00:21:56,742
Anyways, okay, let's go to the next one.

568
00:21:56,822 --> 00:21:58,582
We spent a lot of time talking about Open Claw.

569
00:21:59,402 --> 00:22:01,122
We'll be talking about it later in the show, too, again.

570
00:22:01,362 --> 00:22:01,942
There's more stories.

571
00:22:02,442 --> 00:22:08,162
Second top story of the week is Boomerang Bitcoin cold storage with built-in corrosion resistance.

572
00:22:08,922 --> 00:22:09,402
Corrosion?

573
00:22:09,402 --> 00:22:09,902
10,000.

574
00:22:10,142 --> 00:22:11,262
10,900.

575
00:22:11,662 --> 00:22:14,302
You didn't know Bitcoin could resist corrosion, did you?

576
00:22:14,322 --> 00:22:14,902
1,000K boost.

577
00:22:15,762 --> 00:22:17,782
10 comments from Bituronics.

578
00:22:18,322 --> 00:22:18,782
Bitcoin territory.

579
00:22:18,782 --> 00:22:37,822
Yeah, so this is tricky, but it's a design for cold storage that attempts to store your Bitcoin in a way where the spending paths are unpredictable.

580
00:22:37,822 --> 00:22:42,242
and so therefore deters an attacker

581
00:22:42,242 --> 00:22:46,022
who might need more predictable conditions

582
00:22:46,022 --> 00:22:50,582
in which to coerce you into giving them your Bitcoin.

583
00:22:51,442 --> 00:22:53,822
That's the general gist.

584
00:22:55,822 --> 00:22:59,662
And then the details of it are pretty complicated

585
00:22:59,662 --> 00:23:03,742
and I would recommend the person

586
00:23:03,742 --> 00:23:06,342
who wrote this up or had their bot write it up.

587
00:23:06,342 --> 00:23:08,442
they break it into layers that are

588
00:23:08,442 --> 00:23:10,742
well isolated

589
00:23:10,742 --> 00:23:12,542
from each other so that we can

590
00:23:12,542 --> 00:23:14,342
consider them independently because right now

591
00:23:14,342 --> 00:23:15,942
everything is kind of jumbled.

592
00:23:17,762 --> 00:23:18,662
I have some

593
00:23:18,662 --> 00:23:20,602
notes on it. This is where I spent

594
00:23:20,602 --> 00:23:22,462
most of my prep, but the protocol is named

595
00:23:22,462 --> 00:23:23,742
after the boomerang nebula.

596
00:23:24,742 --> 00:23:26,282
When I think of boomerang, I think of

597
00:23:26,282 --> 00:23:26,922
the tool.

598
00:23:28,262 --> 00:23:29,482
I think of the Eddie Murphy movie.

599
00:23:30,562 --> 00:23:32,042
What Eddie Murphy movie was that?

600
00:23:32,122 --> 00:23:34,482
It was called boomerang. There's a nebula out there that's

601
00:23:34,482 --> 00:23:40,282
called boomerang yeah i guess it's the coldest nebula or the coldest region of space that we can

602
00:23:40,282 --> 00:23:46,722
see oh and is it coming back is that is that why it's no there's no there's no actual relation i

603
00:23:46,722 --> 00:23:50,602
guess it's probably shaped like a boomerang that's probably why it's called a boomerang anyway that's

604
00:23:50,602 --> 00:23:57,122
what it's named after so i think it's alluding to it being for cold storage they're motivated by

605
00:23:57,122 --> 00:24:04,982
them thinking that air gapping and other typical Bitcoin protection measures are best suited to

606
00:24:04,982 --> 00:24:10,822
remote attacks. So someone who you don't know is in close proximity to you, they can't steal your

607
00:24:10,822 --> 00:24:21,322
Bitcoin if you abide by normal best practices for Bitcoin. But they argue that we don't do much yet,

608
00:24:21,322 --> 00:24:24,262
or we don't have much around rent attack prevention.

609
00:24:24,742 --> 00:24:28,442
Or we could maybe go further in rent attack prevention

610
00:24:28,442 --> 00:24:31,602
other than multi-sig and time locks and things that we normally do.

611
00:24:32,282 --> 00:24:33,322
Do you have something you wanted to say, Carl?

612
00:24:33,482 --> 00:24:35,322
Yeah, to have...

613
00:24:35,322 --> 00:24:36,082
I'm trying to...

614
00:24:36,082 --> 00:24:37,282
And this is just me being dumb.

615
00:24:37,522 --> 00:24:39,702
Are they saying boomerang is a protocol?

616
00:24:40,442 --> 00:24:42,682
Or are they saying boomerang is...

617
00:24:42,682 --> 00:24:45,522
This is the next generation, what I'm trying to speak, and a protocol?

618
00:24:45,862 --> 00:24:47,642
It's a protocol for...

619
00:24:47,642 --> 00:24:51,302
Not an actual protocol, but a protocol in the real world sense.

620
00:24:51,322 --> 00:24:51,582
right?

621
00:24:53,062 --> 00:24:54,282
I think it's both.

622
00:24:54,382 --> 00:24:54,762
Oh, okay.

623
00:24:54,942 --> 00:24:55,862
Yeah, so.

624
00:24:56,002 --> 00:24:57,422
They called it a protocol right there.

625
00:24:58,182 --> 00:24:58,602
Yeah, I know.

626
00:24:58,662 --> 00:25:02,322
I just didn't understand if they meant like an actual protocol or just a protocol in the

627
00:25:02,322 --> 00:25:03,982
real world because they go into like kind of like a.

628
00:25:04,022 --> 00:25:09,602
I mean, you know, in an abstract sense, a protocol is a standardized procedure.

629
00:25:10,182 --> 00:25:10,382
Right.

630
00:25:10,622 --> 00:25:12,342
That's what I thought all this was.

631
00:25:12,802 --> 00:25:19,762
And it is a standardized procedure, but in addition, it has components to it that are

632
00:25:19,762 --> 00:25:28,782
code that abide by the standardized procedure, but it's not a communication protocol, but

633
00:25:28,782 --> 00:25:33,042
it uses the Bitcoin protocol and there's a protocol on top of Bitcoin's protocol for

634
00:25:33,042 --> 00:25:38,522
storing Bitcoin with unpredictable spending pass.

635
00:25:38,522 --> 00:25:43,522
Anyway, what else is here?

636
00:25:43,522 --> 00:25:44,522
This is interesting.

637
00:25:44,522 --> 00:26:04,622
Yeah, but the main thing it adds is that it creates, it makes it so that when you attempt to spend on a certain spend path in this taproot script, it is unpredictable when the Bitcoin will actually be unlocked.

638
00:26:04,622 --> 00:26:16,902
And then there are also other protection mechanisms in there where I think you can, in a plausibly deniable way, suggest to other participants that you are being forced to sign under duress.

639
00:26:16,902 --> 00:26:25,242
and additionally it has a when you when you signal them for duress you are also sending

640
00:26:25,242 --> 00:26:31,562
them encrypted messages about your location that they can decrypt and then you know a local

641
00:26:31,562 --> 00:26:38,242
authority can come maybe help save you or whatever it's pretty complicated i think the main the main

642
00:26:38,242 --> 00:26:44,902
insight is that you're storing your bitcoin in a way that you you can't guarantee when you'll be

643
00:26:44,902 --> 00:26:50,102
able to spend it. And not only does it inconvenience you, but you might not care about the inconvenience

644
00:26:50,102 --> 00:26:55,602
because you plan on never spending it. Importantly, it inconveniences the attacker. And that's

645
00:26:55,602 --> 00:27:02,422
kind of, and then again, there are all these other layers to it, but I think they're kind

646
00:27:02,422 --> 00:27:07,222
of superfluous. And then you have two spend paths. There's another more traditional spend

647
00:27:07,222 --> 00:27:08,382
path, the other spin path,

648
00:27:09,042 --> 00:27:10,942
just like a waterfall

649
00:27:10,942 --> 00:27:13,202
type unlock

650
00:27:13,202 --> 00:27:13,442
as blocks get mined.

651
00:27:13,442 --> 00:27:15,182
Who made this bit?

652
00:27:15,702 --> 00:27:16,822
Euronics. Okay.

653
00:27:17,562 --> 00:27:19,022
I think they spun up a nim

654
00:27:19,022 --> 00:27:20,822
just for this protocol.

655
00:27:22,102 --> 00:27:22,822
Oh, there you go.

656
00:27:23,322 --> 00:27:23,882
Interesting.

657
00:27:25,882 --> 00:27:27,202
It's very dense.

658
00:27:28,162 --> 00:27:28,982
Well, it's slop.

659
00:27:30,262 --> 00:27:31,342
Coercion, in this

660
00:27:31,342 --> 00:27:32,162
sense, means

661
00:27:32,162 --> 00:27:34,462
physical attack.

662
00:27:35,442 --> 00:27:37,102
Like people ganging up on you.

663
00:27:37,222 --> 00:27:40,042
Well, like, yeah, someone comes to your, the wrench attack.

664
00:27:41,482 --> 00:27:45,662
Sign these keys so I can get your, or sign these transactions so I can get your back.

665
00:27:48,162 --> 00:27:48,722
Interesting.

666
00:27:49,382 --> 00:27:50,982
Do we have any comments down here?

667
00:27:51,142 --> 00:27:57,182
OT said, sounds complex, maybe a real world walkthrough might be, might get me understand it better.

668
00:27:57,702 --> 00:28:06,262
And then the OP came in there, or the GitHub guy came in there and explained again.

669
00:28:06,262 --> 00:28:07,722
but it looks like it's all from the GitHub, though.

670
00:28:09,022 --> 00:28:11,522
Yeah, it's like more just kind of,

671
00:28:11,642 --> 00:28:18,402
ChachiBee, or at Grok, please summarize this for these idiots.

672
00:28:18,902 --> 00:28:22,202
Yeah, so Anon said if an attacker is willing to wait indefinitely,

673
00:28:22,362 --> 00:28:23,762
doesn't Boomerang just delay the inevitable?

674
00:28:25,222 --> 00:28:27,382
Then OP said that's a fair concern,

675
00:28:27,442 --> 00:28:30,442
and Boomerang isn't trying to defeat an infinitely patient attacker,

676
00:28:30,922 --> 00:28:33,742
because realistically no custody system can.

677
00:28:33,742 --> 00:28:37,762
where the targets of suck erosion actually happens in the real world.

678
00:28:38,842 --> 00:28:39,902
So, interesting.

679
00:28:40,582 --> 00:28:44,642
Yeah, I think they're suggesting that even if you have a time lock on your Bitcoin

680
00:28:44,642 --> 00:28:49,902
with some other path that allows you to get out of it,

681
00:28:50,402 --> 00:28:51,782
the attacker would be able to plan.

682
00:28:52,042 --> 00:28:54,282
Say you have something that's like 10 years.

683
00:28:54,902 --> 00:28:57,842
The attacker would be able to plan that they need to wait 10 years

684
00:28:57,842 --> 00:28:58,942
to be able to get that Bitcoin.

685
00:28:59,422 --> 00:29:01,542
But in their case, they're saying the attacker has no idea.

686
00:29:01,542 --> 00:29:05,542
They wouldn't plan for 10 years.

687
00:29:05,702 --> 00:29:11,342
They would have to plan for indefinite because there is no, they can't know for sure.

688
00:29:12,682 --> 00:29:17,002
But I don't, I mean, it's an interesting idea.

689
00:29:17,122 --> 00:29:18,422
I'm not sure how practical it is.

690
00:29:18,502 --> 00:29:24,082
But I think it's worth people who are interested in these things thinking about it.

691
00:29:24,782 --> 00:29:30,582
I mean, it seems like every month now somebody gets kidnapped or gets a finger clawed off.

692
00:29:31,542 --> 00:29:34,582
based off of stuff like this.

693
00:29:34,862 --> 00:29:39,782
It makes sense why somebody like this would want to get something like this started.

694
00:29:42,882 --> 00:29:46,822
There's definitely a need for something a little bit more resilient.

695
00:29:49,162 --> 00:29:49,682
Cool.

696
00:29:49,982 --> 00:29:50,302
Okay.

697
00:29:50,662 --> 00:29:53,442
Let's jump into the number one story this week is

698
00:29:53,442 --> 00:29:56,602
One Miner's Proto Scam Revealed by Proto Block Inc.

699
00:29:56,742 --> 00:29:59,682
My 21K Lesson.

700
00:29:59,682 --> 00:30:04,622
This is from Bitcoin AI Music in the Bitcoin mining territory.

701
00:30:04,762 --> 00:30:08,662
19 comments, 103K boost, 1,809 sets.

702
00:30:08,782 --> 00:30:09,242
Key on.

703
00:30:10,122 --> 00:30:10,762
What's this?

704
00:30:11,242 --> 00:30:11,502
Yeah.

705
00:30:11,642 --> 00:30:13,522
Do you remember the Proto Rigs?

706
00:30:13,982 --> 00:30:14,682
Proto, Proto.

707
00:30:14,782 --> 00:30:15,962
Why does that sound familiar?

708
00:30:16,242 --> 00:30:17,282
That's from Block.

709
00:30:17,602 --> 00:30:20,002
Remember when they released their mining hardware?

710
00:30:20,362 --> 00:30:20,882
Last year.

711
00:30:20,882 --> 00:30:21,702
We did cover that.

712
00:30:22,242 --> 00:30:22,422
Huh?

713
00:30:22,562 --> 00:30:23,442
We covered that, right?

714
00:30:23,582 --> 00:30:23,942
Last year?

715
00:30:23,942 --> 00:30:24,602
We did cover it.

716
00:30:24,722 --> 00:30:25,282
Okay, yeah.

717
00:30:25,402 --> 00:30:26,302
So what's going on?

718
00:30:26,422 --> 00:30:26,642
Yeah.

719
00:30:26,642 --> 00:30:28,462
So this guy was excited about it.

720
00:30:28,462 --> 00:30:30,042
like many people were excited about it.

721
00:30:30,042 --> 00:30:32,362
And so they wanted to get into Bitcoin mining,

722
00:30:32,482 --> 00:30:34,862
but they wanted to do it with proto rigs.

723
00:30:35,222 --> 00:30:38,502
And so they found this company called One Miners,

724
00:30:38,982 --> 00:30:41,282
and they pre-ordered a bunch of proto rigs for them.

725
00:30:42,142 --> 00:30:46,902
One Miners promised to buy the proto rigs for them

726
00:30:46,902 --> 00:30:49,182
and host it in Nigeria where there's cheap electricity.

727
00:30:49,942 --> 00:30:52,202
And so they expected to be able to make a profit

728
00:30:52,202 --> 00:30:54,542
after putting up $22,000.

729
00:30:55,322 --> 00:30:58,282
So he paid them and was promised that he'd get a shipment

730
00:30:58,282 --> 00:31:02,382
at the end of November or in November of last year.

731
00:31:03,502 --> 00:31:06,062
And then I guess there was a, you know, he communicated with them

732
00:31:06,062 --> 00:31:10,142
and they said there was a delay and that they actually received them in January instead.

733
00:31:10,362 --> 00:31:14,782
And so when he messaged them, they said, oh, they're going to be here real soon.

734
00:31:14,782 --> 00:31:20,962
And so, yeah, then they sent him, or then he was able to log into his dashboard

735
00:31:20,962 --> 00:31:22,602
after they were supposed to arrive.

736
00:31:22,682 --> 00:31:28,022
And the dashboard showed that he was mining Bitcoin with proto rigs in Nigeria.

737
00:31:28,282 --> 00:31:29,582
and make him money.

738
00:31:32,482 --> 00:31:35,462
And so he was, you know, a success.

739
00:31:35,602 --> 00:31:37,502
He'd spent $22K, and this was going to go,

740
00:31:37,582 --> 00:31:38,662
and eventually he was going to make his money back.

741
00:31:38,722 --> 00:31:41,522
But then, I guess, a few days after he saw that dashboard,

742
00:31:42,142 --> 00:31:45,202
he got an email from the company, One Miners,

743
00:31:46,162 --> 00:31:49,862
that that was actually a software book.

744
00:31:50,242 --> 00:31:52,822
And it was actually a mistake that he saw that dashboard

745
00:31:52,822 --> 00:31:56,002
because his miners actually never arrived.

746
00:31:56,862 --> 00:31:57,322
Oh, wow.

747
00:31:57,322 --> 00:32:01,462
and that dashboard was misreporting what was going on.

748
00:32:02,322 --> 00:32:06,822
And really, they don't know when they're ever going to get proto-rigs.

749
00:32:07,402 --> 00:32:11,602
And so instead, they offered him an alternative path

750
00:32:11,602 --> 00:32:13,922
so that he can begin mining,

751
00:32:14,602 --> 00:32:20,062
which are these other miners that are roughly current generation, I would guess,

752
00:32:20,202 --> 00:32:22,542
but not a proto-rig.

753
00:32:22,742 --> 00:32:25,122
And they said they would host them in the United States rather than Nigeria.

754
00:32:25,122 --> 00:32:29,662
and they do it for a fee of $7,000.

755
00:32:30,042 --> 00:32:32,002
So in addition to the $22,000 he sent them,

756
00:32:32,062 --> 00:32:34,522
they were now asking for $7,000 to correct the problem

757
00:32:34,522 --> 00:32:40,542
that was Block's fault, the proto-people's fault.

758
00:32:42,142 --> 00:32:44,882
Anyway, so at this point he was pretty certain it was a scam.

759
00:32:45,202 --> 00:32:49,042
Fortunately, he didn't get pulled deeper into it,

760
00:32:49,042 --> 00:32:56,962
So he reached out to Block and asked them about what was going on,

761
00:32:57,022 --> 00:33:02,042
and they responded that they did not sell proto rigs to anyone,

762
00:33:02,482 --> 00:33:06,002
any third-party resellers, and they worked directly with, I would guess,

763
00:33:06,042 --> 00:33:09,082
a handful of partners, and that's who they sell them to.

764
00:33:10,142 --> 00:33:12,822
More or less confirming that this was a scam.

765
00:33:12,822 --> 00:33:18,962
and then open miners continued to kind of try to

766
00:33:18,962 --> 00:33:24,862
get more money from him and increase the scam and like gaslight him

767
00:33:24,862 --> 00:33:29,862
because he went on a, fortunately for everyone who else might have gotten

768
00:33:29,862 --> 00:33:32,722
pulled into the scam, he went on a bunch of review sites,

769
00:33:32,842 --> 00:33:37,882
contacted local authorities and is trying to get the company shut down

770
00:33:37,882 --> 00:33:41,522
or at least discourage people from using them.

771
00:33:42,822 --> 00:33:46,422
But they claimed that they had miners ready to go,

772
00:33:46,422 --> 00:33:51,242
or they were hosting other miners for him already in place of the proto-rigs,

773
00:33:51,262 --> 00:33:53,682
and that all he had to do was pay them a little more money,

774
00:33:53,822 --> 00:33:58,522
and then he'd be able to get the profits from those.

775
00:33:58,522 --> 00:34:00,342
So the scam, they just kind of kept,

776
00:34:01,022 --> 00:34:06,682
they boldly kept pronouncing themselves not scammers, as scammers tend to.

777
00:34:08,162 --> 00:34:09,902
That is the...

778
00:34:09,902 --> 00:34:11,102
Wow, what a story.

779
00:34:11,662 --> 00:34:11,902
Yeah.

780
00:34:11,902 --> 00:34:12,862
Oh, gosh.

781
00:34:16,102 --> 00:34:17,802
Squaresby said, rough story.

782
00:34:17,922 --> 00:34:19,642
I'm sorry to hear they turn out to be scams.

783
00:34:19,702 --> 00:34:20,802
At this point, I have to admit,

784
00:34:21,202 --> 00:34:23,422
it seems like any hosted mining setup is just not worth it.

785
00:34:23,882 --> 00:34:25,622
Best profits are eaten away by cost and fee.

786
00:34:25,682 --> 00:34:26,322
It's just a scam.

787
00:34:27,662 --> 00:34:30,022
And Bitcoin AI said, yeah, expensive lesson for sure.

788
00:34:31,302 --> 00:34:31,942
It's weird.

789
00:34:32,082 --> 00:34:35,622
I mean, I feel like cloud mining has always been a scam.

790
00:34:36,302 --> 00:34:39,902
Way back 2017, when I first heard about it.

791
00:34:39,902 --> 00:34:43,382
every cycle it feels like there's just a new

792
00:34:43,382 --> 00:34:44,842
cloud miner show up and

793
00:34:44,842 --> 00:34:46,562
scam commences

794
00:34:46,562 --> 00:34:48,762
it's a common

795
00:34:48,762 --> 00:34:51,102
I mean Jason B wrote about

796
00:34:51,102 --> 00:34:52,902
getting scammed

797
00:34:52,902 --> 00:34:55,262
he was someone was advertising that they were

798
00:34:55,262 --> 00:34:56,722
giving away used miners

799
00:34:56,722 --> 00:34:58,582
it's like a common scam I guess

800
00:34:58,582 --> 00:35:01,502
we have a bunch of old miners if you'd like old miners

801
00:35:01,502 --> 00:35:02,982
we'll send them to you all you have to do is pay

802
00:35:02,982 --> 00:35:05,002
send us the shipping costs

803
00:35:05,002 --> 00:35:07,542
and you send them the shipping costs and they never ship

804
00:35:07,542 --> 00:35:08,962
it to you so they're basically just collecting

805
00:35:08,962 --> 00:35:11,562
and all these shipping costs from people.

806
00:35:12,642 --> 00:35:15,082
I think it's because miners are expensive

807
00:35:15,082 --> 00:35:16,882
and there's this upfront cost,

808
00:35:17,622 --> 00:35:20,002
and I think that's why it's ripe for scams.

809
00:35:20,102 --> 00:35:21,142
And people get paid in Bitcoin.

810
00:35:21,702 --> 00:35:23,102
Bitcoiners are willing to pay people in Bitcoin,

811
00:35:23,322 --> 00:35:26,242
which is nice to scam with on a relative basis.

812
00:35:26,242 --> 00:35:29,262
And to be honest, just knowing miners

813
00:35:29,262 --> 00:35:31,562
and sort of how this thing works,

814
00:35:31,722 --> 00:35:33,642
usually if there's really cheap energy,

815
00:35:33,722 --> 00:35:34,942
they're not talking about it.

816
00:35:35,462 --> 00:35:38,102
So that's another reason you know it's a scam.

817
00:35:38,962 --> 00:35:41,502
I don't know. It's weird, man.

818
00:35:41,742 --> 00:35:43,062
I feel bad for this guy, but

819
00:35:43,062 --> 00:35:45,522
dang, what a lot of money just to

820
00:35:45,522 --> 00:35:47,282
blow and miss.

821
00:35:49,822 --> 00:35:50,042
Yeah.

822
00:35:51,482 --> 00:35:52,462
Crazy stuff.

823
00:35:53,542 --> 00:35:55,702
Playpoint, you got anything on this? What do you think about that

824
00:35:55,702 --> 00:35:57,982
lesson? It's tough.

825
00:35:59,282 --> 00:35:59,722
And

826
00:35:59,722 --> 00:36:01,882
you can find it on the

827
00:36:01,882 --> 00:36:02,922
zine this week, too.

828
00:36:02,922 --> 00:36:04,842
I threw it up there.

829
00:36:06,562 --> 00:36:06,822
But

830
00:36:06,822 --> 00:36:10,062
bring it over here from Substack, you know.

831
00:36:10,942 --> 00:36:11,722
There you go.

832
00:36:14,922 --> 00:36:15,362
Cool.

833
00:36:15,562 --> 00:36:20,042
The next, next we're going to jump into all the stories that we have this week.

834
00:36:20,182 --> 00:36:24,262
I didn't get time to do any posts because I was busy right before the show.

835
00:36:24,262 --> 00:36:28,622
But the first one I want to bring up is Wumble's Picks.

836
00:36:29,042 --> 00:36:29,822
Oh, my gosh.

837
00:36:30,362 --> 00:36:32,002
The most popular segment.

838
00:36:32,002 --> 00:36:34,122
well, the second popular segment

839
00:36:34,122 --> 00:36:37,082
in this show is Wumble's Picks.

840
00:36:37,202 --> 00:36:39,022
Every week we tune in to Wumble

841
00:36:39,022 --> 00:36:41,442
and his picks.

842
00:36:41,942 --> 00:36:45,162
This week, Discord will require a face scan

843
00:36:45,162 --> 00:36:47,142
or ID for full access next month

844
00:36:47,142 --> 00:36:48,342
from Scoresby.

845
00:36:48,442 --> 00:36:50,402
Keon, what's this from Wumble's Picks?

846
00:36:52,162 --> 00:36:54,422
Yeah, so I think Discord has been

847
00:36:54,422 --> 00:36:55,842
flirting with this idea for a while,

848
00:36:55,962 --> 00:36:58,662
but they've begun trying to

849
00:36:58,662 --> 00:37:03,602
kind of like adult content websites.

850
00:37:03,602 --> 00:37:07,542
They're trying to determine the age of its users

851
00:37:07,542 --> 00:37:11,942
so that they can allow them, I guess, to see all the content.

852
00:37:12,842 --> 00:37:16,582
And then if they're below the age, they prevent them from seeing it.

853
00:37:16,882 --> 00:37:18,482
So I think they've been doing this for a while.

854
00:37:18,902 --> 00:37:22,822
But I think they're beginning to require it

855
00:37:22,822 --> 00:37:27,122
across more of the ecosystem.

856
00:37:27,122 --> 00:37:29,942
them. I'm not super familiar. I don't use Discord

857
00:37:29,942 --> 00:37:31,322
much personally.

858
00:37:32,782 --> 00:37:33,022
But

859
00:37:33,022 --> 00:37:35,002
I think

860
00:37:35,002 --> 00:37:38,162
what they're planning on doing is treating everyone

861
00:37:38,162 --> 00:37:40,242
like they're a teenager. And then if you

862
00:37:40,242 --> 00:37:42,202
want to access anything that

863
00:37:42,202 --> 00:37:43,622
they deem restricted or

864
00:37:43,622 --> 00:37:45,722
their content bots

865
00:37:45,722 --> 00:37:48,022
deem restricted, you will have to

866
00:37:48,022 --> 00:37:49,482
age verify by some method.

867
00:37:50,682 --> 00:37:52,222
And that's like kind of the big

868
00:37:52,222 --> 00:37:53,902
change here.

869
00:37:53,902 --> 00:37:55,762
I guess I'm trying to figure out, is it

870
00:37:55,762 --> 00:37:56,102
like

871
00:37:56,102 --> 00:38:02,902
actual verification like via like how though just like the way youtube verifies you or they're being

872
00:38:02,902 --> 00:38:08,602
super vague and kind of cagey about it where they're like well in some cases we'll run a local

873
00:38:08,602 --> 00:38:13,122
model and it'll just take a video of your face and it won't return it actually won't return a

874
00:38:13,122 --> 00:38:17,422
video of your face kyc verification and then they're saying we're also experimenting with

875
00:38:17,422 --> 00:38:22,802
is it illegal for minors though we'll just read your content and then we'll determine that you're

876
00:38:22,802 --> 00:38:24,862
of age and base our determination

877
00:38:24,862 --> 00:38:26,962
on that. Or you can send us your

878
00:38:26,962 --> 00:38:28,402
ID or...

879
00:38:28,402 --> 00:38:30,462
I feel like this is illegal in Texas.

880
00:38:31,402 --> 00:38:32,102
This is illegal?

881
00:38:32,582 --> 00:38:35,222
I feel like Texas is probably pushing them to do this.

882
00:38:35,302 --> 00:38:36,922
No, I feel like you can't take

883
00:38:36,922 --> 00:38:38,042
pictures of a minor

884
00:38:38,042 --> 00:38:40,382
via an app.

885
00:38:41,042 --> 00:38:41,982
I feel like that's a legal thing.

886
00:38:42,022 --> 00:38:45,042
I think that's why they're claiming that it's local and they're not actually

887
00:38:45,042 --> 00:38:46,142
sending the pictures anywhere.

888
00:38:46,142 --> 00:38:47,082
Good luck with that.

889
00:38:48,422 --> 00:38:50,222
Anyway, so everyone's kind of

890
00:38:50,222 --> 00:38:51,682
like, well, this is terrible.

891
00:38:52,802 --> 00:38:58,282
Because a lot of people have communities or other things on Discord,

892
00:38:58,562 --> 00:39:02,262
and they do discuss things that are maybe on the border.

893
00:39:02,622 --> 00:39:04,262
So take a video selfie or scan your ID?

894
00:39:04,662 --> 00:39:04,902
Yeah.

895
00:39:05,262 --> 00:39:06,822
And this is required from now on?

896
00:39:07,462 --> 00:39:09,702
It's required accessing certain kinds of content.

897
00:39:10,422 --> 00:39:10,942
Oh, okay.

898
00:39:10,982 --> 00:39:12,522
So it's not across every Discord.

899
00:39:13,162 --> 00:39:13,562
No.

900
00:39:13,562 --> 00:39:20,302
But at any point, your Discord might be deemed teenager inappropriate,

901
00:39:20,302 --> 00:39:26,102
in which case all the people in your discord would have to go through this process uh so

902
00:39:26,102 --> 00:39:32,022
wumble's question this week was do you think scores be prediction is correct this will be

903
00:39:32,022 --> 00:39:39,182
the case for every major website that allows user upload content i go to pletpo first what do you

904
00:39:39,182 --> 00:39:49,702
think okay um i was trying to scan a photo of the snake that i drew so i missed that so let's go to

905
00:39:49,702 --> 00:39:50,122
Keon.

906
00:39:53,722 --> 00:39:55,382
I mean, I think this is

907
00:39:55,382 --> 00:39:57,902
if the government keeps behaving

908
00:39:57,902 --> 00:39:59,822
like the government, I suspect they eventually

909
00:39:59,822 --> 00:40:01,902
will want things like this to happen

910
00:40:01,902 --> 00:40:03,602
where they can be

911
00:40:03,602 --> 00:40:05,762
everyone's parent

912
00:40:05,762 --> 00:40:07,422
on the internet and

913
00:40:07,422 --> 00:40:08,702
protect them.

914
00:40:09,502 --> 00:40:11,502
I would guess they'd love that.

915
00:40:11,982 --> 00:40:13,922
Whether that'll be true of the

916
00:40:13,922 --> 00:40:15,762
entire internet, whether they'll be able to enforce that,

917
00:40:15,862 --> 00:40:17,522
whether people will comply, whether

918
00:40:17,522 --> 00:40:19,062
the internet is vulnerable,

919
00:40:19,702 --> 00:40:24,102
to the government's wishes like that remains to be seen.

920
00:40:24,102 --> 00:40:28,342
I would guess most people, if that does happen,

921
00:40:28,342 --> 00:40:32,222
if we begin gating everything with age verification

922
00:40:32,222 --> 00:40:37,242
and ID and stuff, I would guess a parallel sort

923
00:40:37,242 --> 00:40:40,342
of internet would emerge that is resistant to,

924
00:40:40,342 --> 00:40:43,882
or an overlay on the internet or whatever,

925
00:40:43,882 --> 00:40:47,102
that is resistant to that kind of requirement.

926
00:40:47,102 --> 00:40:48,662
that would be

927
00:40:48,662 --> 00:40:49,482
so I would guess

928
00:40:49,482 --> 00:40:50,242
yeah

929
00:40:50,242 --> 00:40:51,782
it only goes so far

930
00:40:51,782 --> 00:40:52,362
I think

931
00:40:52,362 --> 00:40:52,962
I think

932
00:40:52,962 --> 00:40:53,722
yeah I think it only

933
00:40:53,722 --> 00:40:54,402
I think you're right

934
00:40:54,402 --> 00:40:54,982
I think it only

935
00:40:54,982 --> 00:40:56,182
just based off of like

936
00:40:56,182 --> 00:41:10,144
what I seen in my lifetime it feels like it would get to a certain boiling point and then they would release the valve a little bit um and most of these companies i mean a lot of this is just data

937
00:41:10,144 --> 00:41:16,884
they're just trying to harvest right like um unfortunately they're just trying to harvest data

938
00:41:16,884 --> 00:41:21,964
like in this situation they're trying to follow i mean this is where my mind goes they're trying

939
00:41:21,964 --> 00:41:28,824
to follow these kids who are using Discord from an earlier age, pre when they turned

940
00:41:28,824 --> 00:41:31,644
the legal age, which is kind of illegal.

941
00:41:32,664 --> 00:41:37,164
So to me, it feels like they're trying to make a metadata path for the future.

942
00:41:37,924 --> 00:41:40,144
But that's just me and how I'm thinking about it.

943
00:41:40,204 --> 00:41:41,384
Yeah, I don't view it so cynically.

944
00:41:41,384 --> 00:41:46,844
I would guess it's more like the government is like, hey, people are doing things that

945
00:41:46,844 --> 00:41:49,924
we don't like them doing, especially young kids are doing things that we don't like them

946
00:41:49,924 --> 00:41:50,884
doing in these Discord groups.

947
00:41:50,884 --> 00:41:52,684
their parents are really upset, their constituents,

948
00:41:53,304 --> 00:41:55,684
they're going to vote us out of office unless we start pressuring you

949
00:41:55,684 --> 00:41:57,804
to prevent them from seeing this stuff.

950
00:41:57,904 --> 00:42:01,464
So what we want you to do is we want you to verify that they're old enough to see it.

951
00:42:01,844 --> 00:42:07,844
That's perhaps naive, but that is, I think, a pretty simple explanation of what's happening.

952
00:42:07,844 --> 00:42:08,804
Sometimes you just don't do anything.

953
00:42:09,284 --> 00:42:13,444
And this is a situation where you don't do that because they're kids.

954
00:42:13,804 --> 00:42:18,824
You shouldn't take pictures of them and then start following a trail for them in the future

955
00:42:18,824 --> 00:42:20,024
that you can connect with.

956
00:42:20,024 --> 00:42:24,284
To me, that's just invasion of privacy on all accords.

957
00:42:26,704 --> 00:42:27,144
Anyways.

958
00:42:28,064 --> 00:42:28,624
Yeah, I agree.

959
00:42:28,924 --> 00:42:29,984
I don't like this.

960
00:42:30,684 --> 00:42:31,244
Do you have anything?

961
00:42:32,144 --> 00:42:35,604
I mean, I am sad because this does affect my life.

962
00:42:36,344 --> 00:42:37,104
Are you a big Discord?

963
00:42:37,264 --> 00:42:38,544
I'm not big at all.

964
00:42:38,544 --> 00:42:41,064
I just have one chat with two of my friends.

965
00:42:42,304 --> 00:42:43,884
So you're going to age verify?

966
00:42:44,484 --> 00:42:46,344
No, I guess we'll have to move somewhere else.

967
00:42:46,424 --> 00:42:47,044
We've already moved.

968
00:42:47,044 --> 00:42:50,104
like we've migrated across apps already because they get so annoying.

969
00:42:50,784 --> 00:42:51,584
You could use Noster.

970
00:42:52,484 --> 00:42:53,664
For video calls?

971
00:42:54,824 --> 00:42:55,604
Yeah, you're right.

972
00:42:55,644 --> 00:42:56,364
You can't use Noster.

973
00:42:56,684 --> 00:42:57,864
Have you tried Signal?

974
00:42:58,124 --> 00:42:58,684
Is it not?

975
00:42:59,104 --> 00:43:00,984
Oh, I could get my friends on Signal.

976
00:43:01,244 --> 00:43:01,504
Maybe.

977
00:43:01,884 --> 00:43:02,164
Yeah.

978
00:43:02,284 --> 00:43:05,344
That's what I started doing when I initiated chats with people.

979
00:43:05,724 --> 00:43:06,044
Okay.

980
00:43:07,004 --> 00:43:08,924
They have most of what you'd probably want.

981
00:43:09,124 --> 00:43:09,324
Yeah.

982
00:43:09,704 --> 00:43:10,184
That's true.

983
00:43:10,184 --> 00:43:10,384
It's pretty sad.

984
00:43:10,484 --> 00:43:11,464
Pretty sad they're doing this.

985
00:43:11,464 --> 00:43:16,804
I wonder if it's because of the whole stuff that happened last year with that guy doing

986
00:43:16,804 --> 00:43:18,524
stuff on Discord. Remember?

987
00:43:18,944 --> 00:43:20,784
Yeah, I would guess Discord. That's when Discord

988
00:43:20,784 --> 00:43:22,764
became on the radar of

989
00:43:22,764 --> 00:43:24,704
a lot of these people. Well, it was nice

990
00:43:24,704 --> 00:43:26,884
knowing you, Discord. We know how that plays out.

991
00:43:28,564 --> 00:43:30,004
You've seen it too many times.

992
00:43:31,064 --> 00:43:32,884
Well, that was Wumble's

993
00:43:33,544 --> 00:43:34,764
Picks. Tune in next week

994
00:43:34,764 --> 00:43:37,144
for more Wumble's

995
00:43:37,144 --> 00:43:37,584
Picks.

996
00:43:38,884 --> 00:43:40,764
We're going to jump into Keon's

997
00:43:40,764 --> 00:43:42,684
post this week. The first one that he had was

998
00:43:42,684 --> 00:43:44,664
The Ghost Standard by Seifedeen Amanous.

999
00:43:45,304 --> 00:43:46,664
My three takeaways. This is

1000
00:43:46,664 --> 00:43:47,524
from Blockchain Boo.

1001
00:43:48,064 --> 00:43:49,104
Keon, what's this?

1002
00:43:49,944 --> 00:43:51,324
Yeah, so I didn't realize this,

1003
00:43:51,424 --> 00:43:53,104
but this new book by Safe Dean

1004
00:43:53,104 --> 00:43:55,704
is supposed to be an alternative history.

1005
00:43:55,964 --> 00:43:58,004
It's supposed to be a work of fiction.

1006
00:43:58,384 --> 00:44:00,704
I thought it was not.

1007
00:44:00,824 --> 00:44:03,064
I thought it was a work of nonfiction.

1008
00:44:03,484 --> 00:44:04,924
It seems like it's kind of not.

1009
00:44:05,584 --> 00:44:08,024
Yeah, and then so based on

1010
00:44:08,024 --> 00:44:11,844
Blockchain Boo's review,

1011
00:44:11,844 --> 00:44:13,564
it couldn't decide what it was either.

1012
00:44:13,564 --> 00:44:20,144
and is mostly nonfiction that is extrapolated to an absurd degree

1013
00:44:20,144 --> 00:44:21,284
and there's not much story.

1014
00:44:22,824 --> 00:44:27,304
So it's kind of singing the praises of a hard money standard

1015
00:44:27,304 --> 00:44:33,424
by taking them to a relatively extreme conclusion.

1016
00:44:34,724 --> 00:44:35,784
He's just having fun.

1017
00:44:36,084 --> 00:44:39,204
He's already written the book that made his life,

1018
00:44:39,344 --> 00:44:40,484
so he's just having fun now.

1019
00:44:40,604 --> 00:44:41,624
Yeah, he's just like, well...

1020
00:44:41,624 --> 00:44:43,244
Taking the idea as far as it'll go.

1021
00:44:43,244 --> 00:44:49,364
He's like, well, okay, what's the craziest thing that will happen on a complete gold standard that I can think of?

1022
00:44:49,384 --> 00:44:50,964
And he just kind of writes it out.

1023
00:44:51,064 --> 00:45:00,504
And it's like a collection of those rather than like a story that would really, I think, put it deep in like the culture or a person's mind when they read it,

1024
00:45:00,544 --> 00:45:03,764
which is the type of propaganda that I think is really effective.

1025
00:45:06,424 --> 00:45:13,164
Yeah, so BlockchainBoo goes through and he pulls out notes that he took along the way and kind of shares some of the excerpts.

1026
00:45:13,244 --> 00:45:16,224
and a lot of it, I guess there's

1027
00:45:16,224 --> 00:45:18,404
the Bitcoin network is kind of

1028
00:45:18,404 --> 00:45:20,384
modeled, it's like the gold standard

1029
00:45:20,384 --> 00:45:22,224
but it has Bitcoin like properties

1030
00:45:22,224 --> 00:45:24,164
and I guess there's like lots of Bitcoin

1031
00:45:24,164 --> 00:45:26,644
like jargon

1032
00:45:26,644 --> 00:45:28,664
in it. So is it like Man in the High Castle

1033
00:45:28,664 --> 00:45:30,464
kind of thing or is it more

1034
00:45:30,464 --> 00:45:32,544
I guess that's

1035
00:45:32,544 --> 00:45:34,564
where I've lost. Is it more like Man in the High Castle

1036
00:45:34,564 --> 00:45:35,844
or just like

1037
00:45:35,844 --> 00:45:38,224
alternative reality? It's like Man in the High Castle

1038
00:45:38,224 --> 00:45:39,944
but I guess without much of a story

1039
00:45:39,944 --> 00:45:42,564
there's not really characters that you

1040
00:45:42,564 --> 00:45:45,204
come to love and stuff.

1041
00:45:45,564 --> 00:45:46,884
There's no...

1042
00:45:46,884 --> 00:45:48,864
You don't really have much of a relationship with

1043
00:45:48,864 --> 00:45:50,964
the fictional environment.

1044
00:45:51,384 --> 00:45:53,384
It's kind of like essays about...

1045
00:45:54,384 --> 00:45:55,284
How everything

1046
00:45:55,284 --> 00:45:56,664
would be better?

1047
00:45:57,284 --> 00:45:58,844
How it might work.

1048
00:46:00,844 --> 00:46:01,364
Hypothetically.

1049
00:46:02,704 --> 00:46:03,464
That's how

1050
00:46:03,464 --> 00:46:05,144
I read his review, at least.

1051
00:46:06,084 --> 00:46:07,264
This was a fun way

1052
00:46:07,264 --> 00:46:08,724
to write a review, I think.

1053
00:46:09,324 --> 00:46:11,284
So I liked that, including

1054
00:46:11,284 --> 00:46:12,384
all of his notes here and stuff.

1055
00:46:12,564 --> 00:46:13,404
with the page.

1056
00:46:14,144 --> 00:46:15,464
Yeah, that is kind of neat.

1057
00:46:15,904 --> 00:46:16,424
That's pretty thorough.

1058
00:46:16,984 --> 00:46:18,184
I mean, I feel like I got a good

1059
00:46:18,184 --> 00:46:20,104
understanding of the book

1060
00:46:20,104 --> 00:46:21,764
from what he was telling me about it.

1061
00:46:21,904 --> 00:46:22,164
Same.

1062
00:46:24,044 --> 00:46:25,384
Yeah, this is a really good way

1063
00:46:25,384 --> 00:46:27,144
to review a book.

1064
00:46:28,464 --> 00:46:29,864
Carl, you should do that with the Bible.

1065
00:46:30,864 --> 00:46:31,084
Oh.

1066
00:46:32,484 --> 00:46:33,344
That could probably work.

1067
00:46:33,584 --> 00:46:35,584
I feel like the Catechism already does that

1068
00:46:35,584 --> 00:46:36,424
in a different way.

1069
00:46:39,264 --> 00:46:40,804
Anyways, yeah,

1070
00:46:40,804 --> 00:46:42,464
I don't really have any thoughts on this.

1071
00:46:42,564 --> 00:46:47,104
I mean, what did you find interesting about it, Kian, other than just the...

1072
00:46:47,104 --> 00:46:48,244
Other than the things I said already?

1073
00:46:48,464 --> 00:46:48,644
Yeah.

1074
00:46:49,484 --> 00:46:50,224
Anything else?

1075
00:46:50,224 --> 00:46:54,504
Like, I guess a lot.

1076
00:46:54,844 --> 00:47:04,404
Like, one of the ways he modeled how transactions spread around on the gold standard are via planes.

1077
00:47:04,524 --> 00:47:05,744
So, like, everyone has a plane.

1078
00:47:06,584 --> 00:47:06,764
Oh.

1079
00:47:07,444 --> 00:47:11,264
They can fly anywhere in the world in, like, three to four hours.

1080
00:47:11,264 --> 00:47:12,944
and then they

1081
00:47:12,944 --> 00:47:14,644
maybe this will get turned into a movie

1082
00:47:14,644 --> 00:47:15,704
you never know

1083
00:47:15,704 --> 00:47:18,244
transaction fees or you're paying

1084
00:47:18,244 --> 00:47:21,204
for the flight of the actual gold to someone

1085
00:47:21,204 --> 00:47:22,424
you just carry your bar with you

1086
00:47:22,424 --> 00:47:23,844
and you're just like that with your knife

1087
00:47:23,844 --> 00:47:25,604
that's your tip

1088
00:47:25,604 --> 00:47:28,264
at least if this is

1089
00:47:28,264 --> 00:47:30,804
a sort of fantasy fiction

1090
00:47:30,804 --> 00:47:32,524
where he actually wants this to happen

1091
00:47:32,524 --> 00:47:33,964
he seems unconcerned with

1092
00:47:33,964 --> 00:47:36,884
privacy issues because he says how

1093
00:47:36,884 --> 00:47:38,884
people access their gold which are storing

1094
00:47:38,884 --> 00:47:40,444
in a vault or their house or whatever

1095
00:47:40,444 --> 00:47:43,064
is by face scans.

1096
00:47:43,604 --> 00:47:45,304
So they don't actually have to carry the gold around them

1097
00:47:45,304 --> 00:47:46,264
because that would be burdensome.

1098
00:47:46,344 --> 00:47:48,984
But instead, what they can do is they can verify who they are

1099
00:47:48,984 --> 00:47:50,344
by people scanning their faces.

1100
00:47:52,544 --> 00:47:54,224
Which is, I think, not cool.

1101
00:47:56,724 --> 00:47:59,884
Well, maybe Safe will come do an AMA.

1102
00:47:59,984 --> 00:48:00,364
We'll see.

1103
00:48:01,504 --> 00:48:03,404
I think he might have already done one in the past.

1104
00:48:03,404 --> 00:48:05,364
But maybe he'll come do another one.

1105
00:48:05,484 --> 00:48:05,984
I think he did.

1106
00:48:06,564 --> 00:48:07,624
I think I was there for that.

1107
00:48:08,304 --> 00:48:11,864
The next one is you have Club Economist.

1108
00:48:12,524 --> 00:48:14,004
Copernicus would have been a Bitcoiner.

1109
00:48:14,104 --> 00:48:14,864
This is from Symbol Snacker.

1110
00:48:15,804 --> 00:48:16,504
Key on.

1111
00:48:18,464 --> 00:48:19,184
What's this?

1112
00:48:20,004 --> 00:48:25,024
Yeah, so Copernicus is the sun is at the center of the solar system guy.

1113
00:48:25,224 --> 00:48:26,644
That is a good meme right there.

1114
00:48:27,024 --> 00:48:27,884
I like that one.

1115
00:48:28,704 --> 00:48:28,964
Yeah.

1116
00:48:29,444 --> 00:48:32,324
And so he's better known as a physicist,

1117
00:48:32,324 --> 00:48:37,404
but I guess he was also enough of an economist that the king of Poland

1118
00:48:37,404 --> 00:48:44,024
and 1526 commissioned him to write about the theory of money.

1119
00:48:44,804 --> 00:48:53,224
I guess in that time, Prussia was dealing with multiple coins circulating at the same time,

1120
00:48:53,224 --> 00:48:58,124
and they had a lot of inflation, and it was just kind of monetary chaos.

1121
00:48:58,344 --> 00:49:01,204
And so I guess the king of Prussia wanted to figure it out.

1122
00:49:01,204 --> 00:49:04,584
and in Latin Copernicus wrote

1123
00:49:04,584 --> 00:49:07,584
on the minting of coin

1124
00:49:07,584 --> 00:49:09,204
which is what this is called

1125
00:49:09,204 --> 00:49:11,924
and I guess Simplesacro was able to translate it

1126
00:49:11,924 --> 00:49:14,284
using OpenClaw

1127
00:49:14,284 --> 00:49:16,224
not OpenClaw but one of these bots

1128
00:49:16,224 --> 00:49:18,844
and get it in English

1129
00:49:18,844 --> 00:49:22,544
and they discover that he's kind of into Bitcoin

1130
00:49:22,544 --> 00:49:24,524
or would have been into Bitcoin

1131
00:49:24,524 --> 00:49:27,804
what are some of the things in here

1132
00:49:27,804 --> 00:49:31,844
So he's aware of something like Gresham's Law,

1133
00:49:31,844 --> 00:49:36,624
where bad money drives out the good money,

1134
00:49:36,624 --> 00:49:39,924
where people will spend, they observe that.

1135
00:49:39,924 --> 00:49:43,764
It's like an empirical observation,

1136
00:49:43,764 --> 00:49:46,744
where he observes that people, that when they start

1137
00:49:46,744 --> 00:49:49,504
circulating a weaker money, everyone

1138
00:49:49,504 --> 00:49:53,764
hoards the kind of good money and spends the weaker one.

1139
00:49:53,764 --> 00:49:57,184
So he had that before even Gresham, I guess.

1140
00:49:58,364 --> 00:50:03,184
He observed some cantillion dynamics among blacksmiths,

1141
00:50:03,804 --> 00:50:11,544
or at least blacksmiths had a certain privilege as a blacksmith

1142
00:50:11,544 --> 00:50:14,764
where they were able to melt down the coinage that was still good

1143
00:50:14,764 --> 00:50:17,024
and had higher precious metal content,

1144
00:50:17,404 --> 00:50:23,164
and then get more money, more than the actual money itself was worth

1145
00:50:23,164 --> 00:50:26,204
because the precious metal had a higher price at that point.

1146
00:50:28,384 --> 00:50:31,564
Makes other arguments in there about the harms of monetary basement

1147
00:50:31,564 --> 00:50:36,384
and generally in how it's like a runaway process sort of when it starts

1148
00:50:36,384 --> 00:50:40,904
because, like, the government's incentive to do it doesn't go away.

1149
00:50:43,364 --> 00:50:48,004
And then even points to how some people, like, there were early,

1150
00:50:48,004 --> 00:50:53,144
he calls it medieval monetary theory, which is like modern monetary theory

1151
00:50:53,144 --> 00:50:55,504
where people argue that you can just print money

1152
00:50:55,504 --> 00:50:56,684
and it makes everything better.

1153
00:50:58,024 --> 00:51:00,844
I guess that sentiment still existed back then.

1154
00:51:02,384 --> 00:51:07,524
And yeah, I thought it was pretty awesome.

1155
00:51:09,424 --> 00:51:11,824
And that is most of what I would say.

1156
00:51:11,824 --> 00:51:14,284
I definitely think, and this is just more like,

1157
00:51:15,104 --> 00:51:16,604
I'm not sure because I didn't read this post,

1158
00:51:16,604 --> 00:51:19,524
but I wonder, because I see this all the time.

1159
00:51:19,524 --> 00:51:28,404
Do you think most people in general think people in the past weren't as smart as they are now?

1160
00:51:30,004 --> 00:51:32,344
That might be generally accepted.

1161
00:51:33,964 --> 00:51:34,564
Perhaps.

1162
00:51:34,784 --> 00:51:38,764
Wait, the people were as smart as we are in the past?

1163
00:51:38,784 --> 00:51:39,044
Not.

1164
00:51:39,704 --> 00:51:40,304
Not, yeah.

1165
00:51:40,304 --> 00:51:41,084
They're not as smart.

1166
00:51:41,624 --> 00:51:42,484
Oh, I don't know.

1167
00:51:42,584 --> 00:51:43,524
Who would think that, though?

1168
00:51:43,944 --> 00:51:47,924
I would think a general population might safely assume that.

1169
00:51:48,924 --> 00:51:49,744
Yeah, I think so, too.

1170
00:51:49,744 --> 00:51:51,064
Unsafely, I assume that, right?

1171
00:51:51,404 --> 00:51:51,784
Yeah, unsafely.

1172
00:51:51,784 --> 00:51:52,904
Or they might feel safe.

1173
00:51:53,444 --> 00:51:54,424
I'll assume that, yeah.

1174
00:51:54,564 --> 00:51:54,984
Yeah, okay.

1175
00:51:55,504 --> 00:51:56,604
Yeah, because here at the end he says,

1176
00:51:56,704 --> 00:52:00,104
in the end Copernicus was still a status when it comes to money,

1177
00:52:00,284 --> 00:52:02,484
recommending that the government monopolize the issuance of money

1178
00:52:02,484 --> 00:52:04,824
and to ban all other competing forms.

1179
00:52:05,324 --> 00:52:06,584
We shouldn't be too hard on him,

1180
00:52:07,004 --> 00:52:10,704
as he could not have foreseen the emergence of a fully decentralized monetary system.

1181
00:52:11,064 --> 00:52:16,744
Yeah, and he might have been part of a government that was cool and worked.

1182
00:52:16,744 --> 00:52:20,284
Well, also, I guess earlier he said that they were paying him, right?

1183
00:52:20,944 --> 00:52:21,984
Ah, fair.

1184
00:52:23,224 --> 00:52:24,944
Didn't he end up getting killed?

1185
00:52:25,804 --> 00:52:29,264
Was he a house arrest guy for a while?

1186
00:52:29,364 --> 00:52:29,844
I thought so.

1187
00:52:29,904 --> 00:52:32,784
I thought he was in prison and died in prison of a foot infection.

1188
00:52:33,184 --> 00:52:34,304
But maybe that's Bob Marley.

1189
00:52:34,704 --> 00:52:35,084
I don't know.

1190
00:52:35,284 --> 00:52:36,184
Oh, damn.

1191
00:52:36,364 --> 00:52:37,104
I don't know about that either.

1192
00:52:37,104 --> 00:52:37,644
Bob Marley.

1193
00:52:37,704 --> 00:52:38,824
I didn't die of foot infection.

1194
00:52:39,284 --> 00:52:40,384
But there's other...

1195
00:52:40,384 --> 00:52:42,424
He links other posts that are about Copernicus.

1196
00:52:42,524 --> 00:52:44,304
I wonder what those are at the very bottom.

1197
00:52:44,704 --> 00:52:45,024
Where?

1198
00:52:45,124 --> 00:52:45,584
This one here?

1199
00:52:45,584 --> 00:52:47,624
yeah Copernicus

1200
00:52:47,624 --> 00:52:48,344
oh

1201
00:52:48,344 --> 00:52:50,824
Bitcoin Mag

1202
00:52:50,824 --> 00:52:53,504
talked about Copernicus

1203
00:52:53,504 --> 00:52:54,664
where's the other one at

1204
00:52:54,664 --> 00:52:55,104
oh

1205
00:52:55,104 --> 00:52:57,204
it all went away

1206
00:52:57,204 --> 00:52:57,904
yeah

1207
00:52:57,904 --> 00:52:59,204
let's see that one

1208
00:52:59,204 --> 00:53:01,844
okay that's interesting

1209
00:53:01,844 --> 00:53:02,544
that might be

1210
00:53:02,544 --> 00:53:03,764
something to check out

1211
00:53:03,764 --> 00:53:04,404
another one

1212
00:53:04,404 --> 00:53:05,884
I see when you go back

1213
00:53:05,884 --> 00:53:06,584
we're collapsing

1214
00:53:06,584 --> 00:53:07,344
that's a bug

1215
00:53:07,344 --> 00:53:07,984
yeah

1216
00:53:07,984 --> 00:53:08,964
and then the next one

1217
00:53:08,964 --> 00:53:09,584
is this one

1218
00:53:09,584 --> 00:53:12,424
Undiscipline talked about him too

1219
00:53:12,424 --> 00:53:13,204
oh there you go

1220
00:53:13,204 --> 00:53:13,744
Undiscipline

1221
00:53:13,744 --> 00:53:15,564
or MyCes.org

1222
00:53:15,564 --> 00:53:19,004
Yeah, I guess let me ask Undiscipline this question because I know he's listening to this.

1223
00:53:19,424 --> 00:53:19,824
Undiscipline.

1224
00:53:19,944 --> 00:53:29,464
I would like to understand if you think, most people in general think people in the past were dumb compared to us now.

1225
00:53:29,884 --> 00:53:31,204
Or are dumb compared to us now.

1226
00:53:32,304 --> 00:53:37,204
I know smart people don't think that, but I'd be curious to think if most people think that.

1227
00:53:37,364 --> 00:53:38,384
What Undiscipline thinks about that.

1228
00:53:41,384 --> 00:53:42,864
Do you think Chris Prentice was dumb?

1229
00:53:43,304 --> 00:53:43,984
Do you think that, yeah?

1230
00:53:45,184 --> 00:53:45,544
No.

1231
00:53:45,564 --> 00:53:46,664
Okay

1232
00:53:46,664 --> 00:53:49,104
Janadie or Pleppo do you think

1233
00:53:49,104 --> 00:53:52,764
I don't think he was dumb but I'm taking your point

1234
00:53:52,764 --> 00:53:54,104
About like probably

1235
00:53:54,104 --> 00:53:56,764
Generally the population today would think

1236
00:53:56,764 --> 00:53:58,664
That generally the population

1237
00:53:58,664 --> 00:53:59,324
Of old

1238
00:53:59,324 --> 00:54:02,624
Was less intelligent

1239
00:54:02,624 --> 00:54:04,344
Do you think Copernicus would have been

1240
00:54:04,344 --> 00:54:05,684
No I'll say less learned

1241
00:54:05,684 --> 00:54:08,384
Do you think he would have been like the equivalent

1242
00:54:08,384 --> 00:54:10,804
Of like some of these smart scientists

1243
00:54:10,804 --> 00:54:12,084
Or astrologists or

1244
00:54:12,084 --> 00:54:12,724
Probably

1245
00:54:13,244 --> 00:54:13,564
Now?

1246
00:54:14,344 --> 00:54:14,684
Sure.

1247
00:54:15,084 --> 00:54:17,244
But astrologist, I'm not sure why you say that.

1248
00:54:17,584 --> 00:54:18,404
What is it called?

1249
00:54:19,744 --> 00:54:20,184
Gaxiologist?

1250
00:54:22,604 --> 00:54:23,084
Astronomer.

1251
00:54:23,404 --> 00:54:24,004
There you go.

1252
00:54:24,324 --> 00:54:24,444
Okay.

1253
00:54:25,024 --> 00:54:27,164
I don't know why I said astrologist.

1254
00:54:27,164 --> 00:54:31,404
I feel like we could all benefit from spending more time looking at the sky today.

1255
00:54:33,044 --> 00:54:33,524
Cool.

1256
00:54:33,604 --> 00:54:34,244
For real.

1257
00:54:35,344 --> 00:54:37,104
That's your last one, right, Keon?

1258
00:54:37,744 --> 00:54:38,464
I think so.

1259
00:54:38,544 --> 00:54:39,224
Yeah, I had two.

1260
00:54:40,084 --> 00:54:42,704
I didn't have any this week, but let's jump into this one.

1261
00:54:42,724 --> 00:54:45,064
I want to see, talk about this one.

1262
00:54:45,124 --> 00:54:47,264
So Lex Friedman hat on, OpenClaw guy.

1263
00:54:47,744 --> 00:54:48,764
I watched my agent have a...

1264
00:54:48,764 --> 00:54:48,884
Whoa.

1265
00:54:49,724 --> 00:54:51,084
One of the coolest things he said,

1266
00:54:51,184 --> 00:54:52,224
and I know you didn't watch this, Keon,

1267
00:54:52,264 --> 00:54:53,904
because you said you didn't watch it yesterday,

1268
00:54:54,004 --> 00:54:55,964
unless you watched it recently.

1269
00:54:56,084 --> 00:54:57,924
What's his favorite ice cream flavor car?

1270
00:54:58,064 --> 00:55:01,644
He said that he's going to keep it open source,

1271
00:55:01,644 --> 00:55:04,744
but he's either joining Meta or OpenAI.

1272
00:55:06,144 --> 00:55:07,384
He says it right here.

1273
00:55:08,324 --> 00:55:09,744
What do you think about that, Keon?

1274
00:55:09,744 --> 00:55:19,484
would you rather see him go to open ai or meta i don't give a crap is what i say frankly i don't

1275
00:55:19,484 --> 00:55:24,104
give a hoot yeah he said he's gonna leave it open source open claw and he's gonna do like a chromium

1276
00:55:24,104 --> 00:55:29,444
chrome kind of thing but um yeah there's a lot this is a really good really good one wumble posted

1277
00:55:29,444 --> 00:55:35,264
this uh i saw when it came out that evening i was watching i was like it's good stuff i don't know

1278
00:55:35,264 --> 00:55:39,384
he's a really fascinating guy when the more you hear him talk about like the way he thinks through

1279
00:55:39,384 --> 00:55:43,004
problems and where he sees a lot of this going.

1280
00:55:43,284 --> 00:55:46,424
I think that's what I find to be the most interesting thing about him.

1281
00:55:46,424 --> 00:55:47,784
I mean, I think that's probably true.

1282
00:55:48,024 --> 00:55:48,684
It's a different take.

1283
00:55:48,824 --> 00:55:52,084
It's a way different take than what kind of what you're hearing all the time

1284
00:55:52,084 --> 00:55:57,184
from some of these big AI company leaders.

1285
00:55:57,184 --> 00:56:00,644
It's clearly a very skilled observer of what's going on without having a

1286
00:56:00,644 --> 00:56:01,644
vested interest yet.

1287
00:56:02,424 --> 00:56:04,184
And any of the players.

1288
00:56:04,644 --> 00:56:07,704
Yeah, he even brings up the Tailwind thing that we brought up like a month

1289
00:56:07,704 --> 00:56:09,704
ago where we were saying that

1290
00:56:09,704 --> 00:56:11,384
it's just Ouroboros.

1291
00:56:13,464 --> 00:56:13,944
Anyways.

1292
00:56:14,724 --> 00:56:15,704
Ah, nice.

1293
00:56:18,284 --> 00:56:19,784
And he's got a GitHub shirt

1294
00:56:19,784 --> 00:56:20,964
on. That's pretty cool looking.

1295
00:56:21,384 --> 00:56:23,584
Did you watch this? I know you're a big fan of Lex

1296
00:56:23,584 --> 00:56:25,184
Freeman. Did you watch this? No.

1297
00:56:25,964 --> 00:56:27,524
The last time I watched anything

1298
00:56:27,524 --> 00:56:29,104
Lex Freeman was when he had DHH.

1299
00:56:31,444 --> 00:56:32,424
And it's been a while.

1300
00:56:33,724 --> 00:56:34,564
It's been a while, yeah.

1301
00:56:34,664 --> 00:56:36,064
I think it's worth checking out.

1302
00:56:36,424 --> 00:56:37,644
That made me a fan.

1303
00:56:38,104 --> 00:56:39,364
Yeah, it's pretty bad.

1304
00:56:39,444 --> 00:56:41,764
See, even real Bitcoin doggy, y'all's favorite stacker,

1305
00:56:42,084 --> 00:56:44,384
he says, I'm halfway through and love it.

1306
00:56:45,144 --> 00:56:46,984
The battle to change the name, crypto or rough road.

1307
00:56:47,064 --> 00:56:48,164
Yeah, that was another thing he mentioned.

1308
00:56:48,404 --> 00:56:52,384
He said that crypto people are annoying him and being mean to him

1309
00:56:52,384 --> 00:56:53,904
and trying to scam him.

1310
00:56:54,804 --> 00:56:59,984
And then Lex actually defends it and says, somewhat,

1311
00:56:59,984 --> 00:57:02,644
he says, yeah, not all of them are like that, I think,

1312
00:57:03,004 --> 00:57:04,444
in Lex's way of saying it,

1313
00:57:04,724 --> 00:57:07,244
because it is a really interesting technology.

1314
00:57:07,704 --> 00:57:12,804
But it's too bad we get dumped in with the crypto people as Bitcoiners.

1315
00:57:13,164 --> 00:57:16,344
And we're seeing it again because this guy, he only knew.

1316
00:57:16,704 --> 00:57:17,764
He only knew about Lightning.

1317
00:57:18,524 --> 00:57:20,984
Oh, well, that's far.

1318
00:57:21,724 --> 00:57:22,684
He knows about Lightning?

1319
00:57:23,024 --> 00:57:24,544
I said if he only knew about Lightning.

1320
00:57:24,724 --> 00:57:26,164
Oh, damn.

1321
00:57:26,864 --> 00:57:30,284
I want to make a comment on RealBitcoinDog's comment.

1322
00:57:30,984 --> 00:57:31,244
Okay.

1323
00:57:31,244 --> 00:57:34,044
I would have thought he would have said crypto are rough.

1324
00:57:34,184 --> 00:57:35,664
Are you FF world?

1325
00:57:37,704 --> 00:57:40,604
Woo doggy

1326
00:57:40,604 --> 00:57:42,644
I know he should like train his keyboards

1327
00:57:42,644 --> 00:57:44,404
It should be rough

1328
00:57:44,404 --> 00:57:46,224
Why aren't you doing that Robitcoin dog

1329
00:57:46,224 --> 00:57:47,784
You should be rough

1330
00:57:47,784 --> 00:57:50,384
Everything should be syntax

1331
00:57:50,384 --> 00:57:52,544
Accurate with the dog

1332
00:57:52,544 --> 00:57:53,524
Name

1333
00:57:53,524 --> 00:57:55,704
That's what I said

1334
00:57:55,704 --> 00:57:57,924
He says he's real so like you know

1335
00:57:57,924 --> 00:57:59,324
That's it

1336
00:57:59,324 --> 00:58:02,744
The next one I wanted

1337
00:58:02,744 --> 00:58:04,564
To bring up was

1338
00:58:04,564 --> 00:58:05,684
This one so

1339
00:58:05,684 --> 00:58:08,184
this one got shared

1340
00:58:08,184 --> 00:58:10,264
this week from Elizabeth

1341
00:58:10,264 --> 00:58:11,204
Stark. She said

1342
00:58:11,204 --> 00:58:14,084
the agents are here and they want to

1343
00:58:14,084 --> 00:58:16,204
transact. Powering the AI economy

1344
00:58:16,204 --> 00:58:17,564
it was all over Twitter

1345
00:58:17,564 --> 00:58:19,784
and other places

1346
00:58:19,784 --> 00:58:23,644
Did you see this announcement?

1347
00:58:24,164 --> 00:58:26,364
I saw it and read it

1348
00:58:26,364 --> 00:58:28,264
I don't believe them. I think they're

1349
00:58:28,264 --> 00:58:29,304
wrong. I think

1350
00:58:29,304 --> 00:58:32,364
I don't see any reason

1351
00:58:32,364 --> 00:58:33,964
why bots would use

1352
00:58:33,964 --> 00:58:36,064
suddenly use Bitcoin where humans don't.

1353
00:58:37,144 --> 00:58:40,024
I do think that bots will have an easier time

1354
00:58:40,024 --> 00:58:42,264
using Bitcoin than a human would.

1355
00:58:43,224 --> 00:58:48,844
But at least, I think, yeah, I just don't see any reason

1356
00:58:48,844 --> 00:58:51,984
why that would fundamentally change anything.

1357
00:58:52,564 --> 00:58:54,924
You know, the argument is, well, they don't need a bank account.

1358
00:58:55,444 --> 00:58:57,824
And it's like, well, there's a million shit coins

1359
00:58:57,824 --> 00:58:59,964
that don't need a bank account either.

1360
00:59:00,184 --> 00:59:01,884
And we have all these stable coins,

1361
00:59:01,884 --> 00:59:09,664
which are now probably doing more volume in a day than Bitcoin maybe does in a month.

1362
00:59:13,404 --> 00:59:16,044
Yeah, so I don't, I think it's just hopium.

1363
00:59:16,764 --> 00:59:21,184
And this is me like trying to be, you know, a little bit more journalistic here,

1364
00:59:21,324 --> 00:59:25,224
just because I'm curious to, I want to ask you this question more so just because of curiosity.

1365
00:59:25,664 --> 00:59:28,984
But you run Stacker News that is powered by lightning.

1366
00:59:29,264 --> 00:59:30,284
I believe in lightning.

1367
00:59:30,284 --> 00:59:31,304
And there's bots on there.

1368
00:59:31,304 --> 00:59:35,524
So why would you not think the same thing would take place on the internet?

1369
00:59:35,724 --> 00:59:38,824
Those are other people who kind of get Bitcoin and understand Bitcoin.

1370
00:59:39,304 --> 00:59:42,944
I just don't, I don't see any reason why a bot would be like, oh, this is the right one.

1371
00:59:43,044 --> 00:59:49,024
This is the right, I understand monetary theory and I understand economics and I understand human behavior.

1372
00:59:49,744 --> 00:59:51,124
I'm going to use the better money.

1373
00:59:51,424 --> 00:59:53,124
I'm actually, you know, I'm going to spend that money.

1374
00:59:53,824 --> 00:59:59,584
I think, I think they're going to do, they're going to be, they're going to do the average, which is,

1375
00:59:59,584 --> 01:00:04,144
and the average is use fiat, use the convenient fiat for bots,

1376
01:00:04,484 --> 01:00:08,304
which is this digitized dollar.

1377
01:00:08,784 --> 01:00:12,704
So I don't think your framing is wrong.

1378
01:00:13,124 --> 01:00:16,804
I would say it's probably a little bit more like on the nose

1379
01:00:16,804 --> 01:00:18,484
than kind of what this is meant to be

1380
01:00:18,484 --> 01:00:22,044
because this is meant to kind of spur, you know, creativity

1381
01:00:22,044 --> 01:00:24,484
and like more hacking and more building.

1382
01:00:24,684 --> 01:00:27,264
That's kind of what this post feels like from what they posted here.

1383
01:00:27,264 --> 01:00:34,184
the thing i the thing i i don't think you're you're probably uh i mean i don't know i know

1384
01:00:34,184 --> 01:00:39,004
we've had to talk about this i just literally think the last it's not even going to be the

1385
01:00:39,004 --> 01:00:45,844
last smile it's going to be literally the front door where you're going to be asked what do you

1386
01:00:45,844 --> 01:00:54,164
want like dollars shit coins bitcoin like i think i think you're right on the hypothesis of like

1387
01:00:54,164 --> 01:00:58,384
you're going to use the fiat money.

1388
01:00:59,184 --> 01:01:02,344
But I think that last on that door,

1389
01:01:02,544 --> 01:01:03,404
you're going to be asked,

1390
01:01:03,524 --> 01:01:04,384
like, what do you want?

1391
01:01:05,584 --> 01:01:06,904
Well, everyone wants Bitcoin.

1392
01:01:07,704 --> 01:01:08,644
And everyone wants to spend.

1393
01:01:08,704 --> 01:01:10,044
I don't think everybody wants Bitcoin.

1394
01:01:10,164 --> 01:01:10,724
That's what I'm saying.

1395
01:01:10,764 --> 01:01:14,704
You'll see that happen.

1396
01:01:15,604 --> 01:01:18,384
Because if somebody's sending me over stuff,

1397
01:01:18,664 --> 01:01:19,984
shit coins, I'm not going to want that.

1398
01:01:20,204 --> 01:01:22,244
But I would imagine there's going to be some sort of bot

1399
01:01:22,244 --> 01:01:24,144
or your bot's going to know to swap it for Bitcoin.

1400
01:01:24,164 --> 01:01:26,344
by hitting an exchange or something.

1401
01:01:27,084 --> 01:01:37,886
That kind of what I saying Yeah I think they might they do exactly what humans do And if they understand even if they understand Bitcoin and its value they will likely use fiat

1402
01:01:37,886 --> 01:01:41,526
because people will want to give them fiat and then they'll convert it as fast as they possibly

1403
01:01:41,526 --> 01:01:46,246
can into Bitcoin. But, and so maybe that's, maybe there's a, you know, I know Lightning Labs has

1404
01:01:46,246 --> 01:01:52,666
been working on taproot assets, which is going to get stable coins on it at some point. And so

1405
01:01:52,666 --> 01:01:56,146
So perhaps this is part of the equation for them.

1406
01:01:56,146 --> 01:02:04,286
But I think we already have probably more usage of Coinbase's version of the HTP 402

1407
01:02:04,286 --> 01:02:06,986
than we do of the Lightning version.

1408
01:02:06,986 --> 01:02:08,826
Maybe that'll change.

1409
01:02:08,826 --> 01:02:11,106
But I'm mostly just trying to...

1410
01:02:11,106 --> 01:02:17,946
I just see a lot of unhinged, hopeful takes about Bitcoin finally succeed.

1411
01:02:17,946 --> 01:02:18,946
Now it's going to succeed.

1412
01:02:18,946 --> 01:02:20,046
It didn't succeed with humans.

1413
01:02:20,046 --> 01:02:21,046
Okay, we all admit that.

1414
01:02:21,046 --> 01:02:22,586
bearish for two years about that.

1415
01:02:22,966 --> 01:02:24,546
But bots, it changes the game.

1416
01:02:25,046 --> 01:02:26,346
I just don't...

1417
01:02:26,346 --> 01:02:28,846
I think people are just playing

1418
01:02:28,846 --> 01:02:29,806
themselves a little bit.

1419
01:02:30,506 --> 01:02:32,426
I know someone who would agree with you.

1420
01:02:33,506 --> 01:02:34,726
So what do you think,

1421
01:02:35,046 --> 01:02:35,506
Plip Boat?

1422
01:02:37,786 --> 01:02:38,866
I...

1423
01:02:38,866 --> 01:02:41,006
know someone

1424
01:02:41,006 --> 01:02:42,006
who would agree with Keon.

1425
01:02:42,726 --> 01:02:43,526
That's what I think.

1426
01:02:44,706 --> 01:02:46,826
I think the other one was really interesting.

1427
01:02:46,946 --> 01:02:47,666
Matt Corallo

1428
01:02:47,666 --> 01:02:49,786
tweeted out today,

1429
01:02:49,786 --> 01:02:52,286
it's time for Bitcoiners to step up and build.

1430
01:02:53,086 --> 01:02:55,626
You don't need to know anything about software development anymore.

1431
01:02:55,746 --> 01:02:58,846
You just need to know how to write words.

1432
01:02:59,666 --> 01:03:00,886
We have a good opportunity to build out

1433
01:03:00,886 --> 01:03:02,806
NGENIC payments based on open money

1434
01:03:02,806 --> 01:03:05,166
rather than letting NGENIC payments be...

1435
01:03:05,166 --> 01:03:07,546
Oh, man, let me see if I can view this or they block me.

1436
01:03:07,626 --> 01:03:08,246
Oh, no, it's there.

1437
01:03:08,826 --> 01:03:10,786
Rather than they...

1438
01:03:11,346 --> 01:03:12,466
Where am I at?

1439
01:03:13,826 --> 01:03:17,406
Rather than letting NGENIC payments be captured by Mechacorps yet again.

1440
01:03:17,406 --> 01:03:22,566
but we're squandering it arguing about useless crap instead of building play with open claw give

1441
01:03:22,566 --> 01:03:30,266
it a bitcoin wallet money dev kit makes this super easy also lex and phoenix xd make it do things if

1442
01:03:30,266 --> 01:03:35,806
it fails to do what you want go fix it have your agent build the bitcoin domain reseller that bitcoin

1443
01:03:35,806 --> 01:03:41,566
airline ticket reseller or whatever it is you want bitcoin doesn't just happen it's built join in

1444
01:03:41,566 --> 01:03:46,106
what do you think about that kion i think it's great i think it's i think people should be

1445
01:03:46,106 --> 01:03:48,166
building whatever they want with Bitcoin.

1446
01:03:48,406 --> 01:03:50,626
I like Bitcoin a lot. I wish more people

1447
01:03:50,626 --> 01:03:52,066
used Bitcoin. I wish people

1448
01:03:52,066 --> 01:03:53,686
built more Bitcoin things.

1449
01:03:54,726 --> 01:03:56,286
I think he's right.

1450
01:03:57,286 --> 01:03:58,586
Someone might come out

1451
01:03:58,586 --> 01:04:00,406
with the idea that actually changes

1452
01:04:00,406 --> 01:04:02,546
the dynamics of this

1453
01:04:02,546 --> 01:04:04,386
that really switches

1454
01:04:04,386 --> 01:04:05,046
over.

1455
01:04:06,026 --> 01:04:08,106
I'm a little resistant to this idea.

1456
01:04:08,326 --> 01:04:10,246
I would just add one thing which is like

1457
01:04:10,246 --> 01:04:12,246
I would love for

1458
01:04:12,246 --> 01:04:13,786
anyone can have the idea

1459
01:04:13,786 --> 01:04:18,266
and then that person partners with another person to build it.

1460
01:04:18,406 --> 01:04:19,666
Don't do it alone is what you're saying.

1461
01:04:19,726 --> 01:04:19,906
Yeah.

1462
01:04:20,186 --> 01:04:20,426
Okay.

1463
01:04:20,806 --> 01:04:23,166
Don't do it alone if you actually don't read code,

1464
01:04:23,406 --> 01:04:24,666
like, and you actually have no idea.

1465
01:04:24,846 --> 01:04:25,346
Oh, I see.

1466
01:04:25,586 --> 01:04:27,166
So you're saying learn to code.

1467
01:04:27,926 --> 01:04:28,306
Yeah.

1468
01:04:28,866 --> 01:04:34,446
I don't want to use an app by somebody that doesn't know what it is in and out.

1469
01:04:35,806 --> 01:04:37,266
Yeah, no one can kind of.

1470
01:04:38,246 --> 01:04:40,106
Wow, you guys are so bearish on this.

1471
01:04:40,106 --> 01:04:40,346
Wow.

1472
01:04:40,626 --> 01:04:43,266
I guess I'm just really hopeful for the future.

1473
01:04:43,786 --> 01:04:47,026
I mean, I'm bullish on Bitcoin.

1474
01:04:47,586 --> 01:04:57,206
I'm just like not, I'm kind of, I think the waves of hope that are like unrelated to Bitcoin itself.

1475
01:04:57,426 --> 01:05:01,006
Bitcoin itself improving or something really changing on Bitcoin.

1476
01:05:01,306 --> 01:05:04,386
I just, I'm kind of over it.

1477
01:05:04,666 --> 01:05:05,606
I just think people are.

1478
01:05:06,566 --> 01:05:08,506
Wait till you get your open claw installed this weekend.

1479
01:05:08,666 --> 01:05:08,986
You'll see.

1480
01:05:10,066 --> 01:05:11,986
This time next week, Keon's going to be a different man.

1481
01:05:12,086 --> 01:05:12,546
We'll see.

1482
01:05:12,966 --> 01:05:13,626
Or not.

1483
01:05:13,626 --> 01:05:20,166
we'll see we'll see um i mean for me i told you this like i haven't had this much enjoyment

1484
01:05:20,166 --> 01:05:28,546
using a computer and the internet at the same time gosh it's been like decades like in the

1485
01:05:28,546 --> 01:05:36,326
early like this reminds me of like like uh like using the internet first time or seeing the iphone

1486
01:05:36,326 --> 01:05:41,966
for the first time this is that kind of moment for me personally and that's why i'm like i think

1487
01:05:41,966 --> 01:05:44,066
a lot of people are having that same kind. I haven't had

1488
01:05:44,066 --> 01:05:45,846
this much fun with the internet and my computer

1489
01:05:45,846 --> 01:05:47,986
in a really long time. Other than just doing

1490
01:05:47,986 --> 01:05:50,006
work stuff. I'm not bearish on

1491
01:05:50,006 --> 01:05:51,046
AI or

1492
01:05:51,046 --> 01:05:53,466
any of that. I'm mostly

1493
01:05:53,466 --> 01:05:55,526
people are trying

1494
01:05:55,526 --> 01:05:58,146
people realize that there's a huge wave of interest

1495
01:05:58,146 --> 01:05:59,846
in AI and they're trying to be like

1496
01:05:59,846 --> 01:06:02,066
oh this is, Bitcoin's going to catch this

1497
01:06:02,066 --> 01:06:04,006
wave. It's

1498
01:06:04,006 --> 01:06:06,026
perhaps missing all these other ones but it's going to catch

1499
01:06:06,026 --> 01:06:07,906
this one for some reason. That's what I'm opposed to.

1500
01:06:08,446 --> 01:06:08,746
But I

1501
01:06:08,746 --> 01:06:11,546
agree that AI is pretty

1502
01:06:11,546 --> 01:06:14,126
has gotten really good, and it's gotten...

1503
01:06:14,126 --> 01:06:15,886
Open Claw has made it extra accessible

1504
01:06:15,886 --> 01:06:18,006
by making a lot of great decisions around UX.

1505
01:06:19,266 --> 01:06:19,666
And

1506
01:06:19,666 --> 01:06:21,586
that's awesome.

1507
01:06:22,266 --> 01:06:23,346
Yep. Okay.

1508
01:06:24,286 --> 01:06:24,626
Well,

1509
01:06:25,026 --> 01:06:27,626
the next one we have is

1510
01:06:27,626 --> 01:06:29,626
Blipo. It's Zine.

1511
01:06:29,626 --> 01:06:31,846
This week, it's a little bit of this,

1512
01:06:31,986 --> 01:06:33,006
but a lot of bots.

1513
01:06:33,926 --> 01:06:34,666
What's this one about?

1514
01:06:34,666 --> 01:06:35,446
It's a half-bar.

1515
01:06:36,446 --> 01:06:41,006
Say that again?

1516
01:06:41,546 --> 01:06:42,746
I can't hear you.

1517
01:06:42,806 --> 01:06:43,626
I have my headphones on.

1518
01:06:44,666 --> 01:06:45,426
This is it.

1519
01:06:45,686 --> 01:06:46,306
Here it is.

1520
01:06:46,426 --> 01:06:46,786
Oh, okay.

1521
01:06:48,526 --> 01:06:54,266
I made another zine, and people sent me their classifieds.

1522
01:06:54,286 --> 01:06:55,586
This is what you're looking at right there.

1523
01:06:55,926 --> 01:06:56,666
On the left side?

1524
01:06:56,886 --> 01:06:59,646
On the left side, correct.

1525
01:07:01,026 --> 01:07:04,506
And then, yeah, I put the stories in there.

1526
01:07:04,866 --> 01:07:06,386
A few of them we've already mentioned.

1527
01:07:08,506 --> 01:07:09,726
And I had a good time.

1528
01:07:09,726 --> 01:07:16,546
yeah i like the design for this one thanks feels really cool did you do all these hand by hand i

1529
01:07:16,546 --> 01:07:23,906
did wow how are you um how are you doing it where you're getting the transparency on the design like

1530
01:07:23,906 --> 01:07:30,246
that if i can ask so uh i'm using canva oh then you just and they have a background remover

1531
01:07:30,246 --> 01:07:36,226
that's it that's literally it i love this is great this is appreciate it this is really cool

1532
01:07:36,226 --> 01:07:41,846
yeah i drew these little doodles and i you know i think that is a strength of the zine and i and

1533
01:07:41,846 --> 01:07:46,546
i'm not always on top of it with my doodles but i think this time it came together this one this

1534
01:07:46,546 --> 01:07:54,226
one really sings strong doodle um yeah because you even have it to where you're talking about the uh

1535
01:07:54,226 --> 01:08:00,366
the name of it was what's the name of this one again i just saw it a lot of bots a little bit

1536
01:08:00,366 --> 01:08:05,066
of this a lot about a bots yeah yeah that was referencing like the stories that are inside are

1537
01:08:05,066 --> 01:08:10,186
like yeah pretty you know what we've already been talking about of course oh that's cool look at

1538
01:08:10,186 --> 01:08:17,606
that star yeah do you think that would make well yeah i thought that that was so i was sitting and

1539
01:08:17,606 --> 01:08:24,106
watching a podcast while i was doodling and i was watching a podcast where bobby lee was featured

1540
01:08:24,106 --> 01:08:31,706
and he's a comedian and he had that as a as a tattoo on his wrist oh cool so i copied it

1541
01:08:31,706 --> 01:08:39,746
interesting probably had what on his wrist that star oh is that how you picture stacker news like

1542
01:08:39,746 --> 01:08:45,586
that with that guy right there like what the heck well i thought this was funny because this post

1543
01:08:45,586 --> 01:08:52,066
is about like are you making money off of ai and i just like imagine like a guy out there being like

1544
01:08:52,066 --> 01:08:58,046
oh how do i start making how do i start growing the corn through the computer i mean that's how

1545
01:08:58,046 --> 01:08:59,946
it was at TabConf. It was like Boo,

1546
01:09:00,186 --> 01:09:02,246
Keon. Who else had a hat?

1547
01:09:02,506 --> 01:09:03,726
There's like two or three.

1548
01:09:04,086 --> 01:09:05,946
Oh, right. Those hats are nice.

1549
01:09:05,966 --> 01:09:07,746
It was exactly a hat like that. Yeah.

1550
01:09:07,826 --> 01:09:09,246
Everybody was walking around with those hats.

1551
01:09:09,586 --> 01:09:11,326
Not everybody, those two.

1552
01:09:12,026 --> 01:09:12,966
Right, right, right.

1553
01:09:12,966 --> 01:09:13,926
It definitely had that kind of vibe to it.

1554
01:09:15,386 --> 01:09:17,066
Interesting. What was the top meme this week?

1555
01:09:18,586 --> 01:09:18,946
Okay.

1556
01:09:20,326 --> 01:09:22,186
I still don't know what movie that comes out from.

1557
01:09:22,446 --> 01:09:23,346
I actually don't either.

1558
01:09:23,866 --> 01:09:25,166
Do you know the movie that comes from?

1559
01:09:25,166 --> 01:09:25,526
No.

1560
01:09:25,526 --> 01:09:32,866
cool stuff well i don't want to give it all away but uh go check out the zine um can they get a

1561
01:09:32,866 --> 01:09:39,486
three-month subscription what are they yeah the subscription is um still offered but you'd have to

1562
01:09:39,486 --> 01:09:46,306
dig around for it but i'll i'll i'll make that available elsewhere there you go showing you how

1563
01:09:46,306 --> 01:09:54,926
she does it every week on snacker.news nice did you vibe code this part right here no she

1564
01:09:54,926 --> 01:10:05,166
get your claw bot to do it what are you talking about of course not uh cool cool stuff awesome

1565
01:10:05,166 --> 01:10:11,646
yeah what do you think about this one kian i think it's great i like the doodles the doodle fan

1566
01:10:11,646 --> 01:10:16,526
it looks like we got a new comment that i haven't seen yet what's it say

1567
01:10:16,526 --> 01:10:23,906
zap harder there you go exactly there you go uh cool stuff i think that's everything we got here

1568
01:10:23,906 --> 01:10:26,346
We're going to jump into some meta.

1569
01:10:26,586 --> 01:10:27,386
Keon, what's this?

1570
01:10:27,526 --> 01:10:29,686
Fill us in on what's going on with Sats filters galore.

1571
01:10:30,366 --> 01:10:30,686
Yeah.

1572
01:10:31,406 --> 01:10:33,526
I forget what motivated this exactly.

1573
01:10:35,266 --> 01:10:35,706
Oh, right.

1574
01:10:35,746 --> 01:10:36,886
We reintroduced freebies.

1575
01:10:37,506 --> 01:10:43,666
So new stackers who don't have Sats on Lightning, they can post comments for free.

1576
01:10:44,306 --> 01:10:49,046
As part of that, we wanted to introduce a mechanism where people could opt out of seeing the free comments if they wanted.

1577
01:10:49,146 --> 01:10:51,606
And that's what these Sats filters are aimed at doing.

1578
01:10:51,606 --> 01:10:54,806
and then they also improve the quality of

1579
01:10:54,806 --> 01:10:58,066
the hot and top pages on territories

1580
01:10:58,066 --> 01:11:01,646
so that the territory founder has a little more control

1581
01:11:01,646 --> 01:11:04,926
over what the gate is for getting onto the hot page

1582
01:11:04,926 --> 01:11:08,186
if they want only really good content on their hot page

1583
01:11:08,186 --> 01:11:09,646
or really good content on their top page

1584
01:11:09,646 --> 01:11:12,086
they can set the filter higher

1585
01:11:12,086 --> 01:11:15,526
and then people can set them to load

1586
01:11:15,526 --> 01:11:17,366
to basically turn them off and they want to see everything

1587
01:11:17,366 --> 01:11:19,386
they want to see the free stuff, they want to see the down zap stuff

1588
01:11:19,386 --> 01:11:32,206
So that's the basic idea is just like more control over the content you see based on the sat spent, the proxy for proof of work.

1589
01:11:35,466 --> 01:11:36,526
That's kind of it.

1590
01:11:36,706 --> 01:11:44,126
And then I think as part of some of these changes, I upset a lot of people with some of the ranking changes because some people started doing some weird.

1591
01:11:44,126 --> 01:11:44,866
Wow, they got down.

1592
01:11:44,866 --> 01:11:52,646
This weekend, I'm planning to release another change to ranking that will probably aggravate even more people.

1593
01:11:52,866 --> 01:11:54,606
So, you know, tune in for that.

1594
01:11:56,246 --> 01:11:56,806
Yeah.

1595
01:11:58,786 --> 01:12:00,166
Cool stuff.

1596
01:12:00,286 --> 01:12:03,826
We're going to jump into the top cowboys.

1597
01:12:04,726 --> 01:12:05,806
Let me go there.

1598
01:12:06,226 --> 01:12:07,146
Switch hats.

1599
01:12:08,166 --> 01:12:09,286
Let's do it.

1600
01:12:09,286 --> 01:12:10,246
Let's do it.

1601
01:12:10,286 --> 01:12:14,346
The most popular segment in Bitcoin is, you guessed it.

1602
01:12:14,866 --> 01:12:16,826
Every week we do this.

1603
01:12:17,906 --> 01:12:18,686
Uh-oh.

1604
01:12:19,406 --> 01:12:19,826
That's right.

1605
01:12:20,006 --> 01:12:21,026
Top Cowboys.

1606
01:12:21,846 --> 01:12:22,686
Top Cowboys.

1607
01:12:23,346 --> 01:12:26,046
Oh, are you souring on the segment?

1608
01:12:26,266 --> 01:12:28,326
I mean, Ben Sessions is waiting.

1609
01:12:29,186 --> 01:12:32,786
He's been asking me if he can start hosting the segment.

1610
01:12:32,786 --> 01:12:33,166
He's not waiting.

1611
01:12:33,366 --> 01:12:36,006
He's like, in my DMs, he's like,

1612
01:12:36,086 --> 01:12:37,406
Keon, please let me do the segment.

1613
01:12:37,406 --> 01:12:40,186
He's literally on Stacker News, and he's not asking me.

1614
01:12:40,486 --> 01:12:41,706
He doesn't even know we exist.

1615
01:12:41,706 --> 01:12:43,186
He's trying to give a go behind your back.

1616
01:12:43,186 --> 01:12:43,806
Let's just be honest.

1617
01:12:43,866 --> 01:12:44,806
He doesn't know we exist.

1618
01:12:44,866 --> 01:12:46,446
Why are you being so...

1619
01:12:46,446 --> 01:12:47,966
Because this segment is...

1620
01:12:47,966 --> 01:12:49,926
Why are you lying about this segment?

1621
01:12:50,146 --> 01:12:51,286
This segment is not as great.

1622
01:12:51,386 --> 01:12:54,746
You know the crowd here that comes just for this segment,

1623
01:12:54,846 --> 01:12:55,286
they only come...

1624
01:12:55,286 --> 01:12:57,706
Yeah, all the clawers upstairs are coming downstairs right now.

1625
01:12:57,826 --> 01:12:59,266
Yeah, you can hear them.

1626
01:12:59,386 --> 01:12:59,946
They're clanky.

1627
01:13:00,046 --> 01:13:00,606
They're like...

1628
01:13:00,606 --> 01:13:01,426
They're shells.

1629
01:13:02,286 --> 01:13:03,346
They're clanky.

1630
01:13:04,206 --> 01:13:04,586
All right.

1631
01:13:04,846 --> 01:13:06,266
So number two, we got Coob.

1632
01:13:06,346 --> 01:13:07,506
Number three, we got Discipline.

1633
01:13:07,746 --> 01:13:08,006
Four.

1634
01:13:08,126 --> 01:13:09,306
The same people every week.

1635
01:13:09,406 --> 01:13:11,686
I mean, the same people every week.

1636
01:13:12,386 --> 01:13:13,126
Number nine.

1637
01:13:13,126 --> 01:13:15,726
117

1638
01:13:15,726 --> 01:13:17,406
It's just the same people

1639
01:13:17,406 --> 01:13:19,086
I've ever heard this when we pretended

1640
01:13:19,086 --> 01:13:20,686
This was an awesome segment

1641
01:13:20,686 --> 01:13:21,866
It was a lot more fun

1642
01:13:21,866 --> 01:13:23,966
You gotta change it up

1643
01:13:23,966 --> 01:13:25,286
Sometimes you gotta change it up

1644
01:13:25,286 --> 01:13:28,546
Anyways, Plobo, what do you think about this segment?

1645
01:13:29,246 --> 01:13:29,566
Well

1646
01:13:29,566 --> 01:13:32,686
I am gonna agree with you guys' sentiment

1647
01:13:32,686 --> 01:13:33,506
Right now

1648
01:13:33,506 --> 01:13:36,646
And I'm going to suggest a new segment

1649
01:13:36,646 --> 01:13:37,246
Oh

1650
01:13:37,246 --> 01:13:40,326
We used to do top comments

1651
01:13:40,326 --> 01:13:41,366
And then those got

1652
01:13:41,366 --> 01:13:43,626
uninitiated.

1653
01:13:44,686 --> 01:13:46,686
Well, the problem is I'm the only one that reads,

1654
01:13:46,986 --> 01:13:50,886
and so giving me more content to read is kind of a challenge.

1655
01:13:51,066 --> 01:13:51,946
Hey, I didn't have time.

1656
01:13:52,006 --> 01:13:52,886
I usually have time.

1657
01:13:53,006 --> 01:13:53,786
I didn't have time today.

1658
01:13:53,906 --> 01:13:57,926
My suggestion includes my own personal contribution.

1659
01:13:59,286 --> 01:14:01,806
So it wouldn't add anything more for you guys.

1660
01:14:02,106 --> 01:14:03,266
You're going to come up with your own segment?

1661
01:14:03,446 --> 01:14:05,626
I have a suggestion for this segment, yes.

1662
01:14:05,626 --> 01:14:06,266
Oh, you do?

1663
01:14:06,486 --> 01:14:07,486
I didn't hear any of that.

1664
01:14:07,666 --> 01:14:08,086
What is it?

1665
01:14:08,186 --> 01:14:09,846
I will read a line of poetry.

1666
01:14:11,366 --> 01:14:14,646
Wait, so you're trying to come up with segments that are worse than this one.

1667
01:14:14,786 --> 01:14:15,046
Okay.

1668
01:14:15,706 --> 01:14:19,426
So from now on, go into top poetry of the week.

1669
01:14:19,626 --> 01:14:20,166
Wait, your own?

1670
01:14:20,326 --> 01:14:21,146
If it's your own poetry.

1671
01:14:21,226 --> 01:14:22,386
No, no, no, not my own.

1672
01:14:22,466 --> 01:14:22,766
Okay.

1673
01:14:22,986 --> 01:14:24,326
But I have one.

1674
01:14:24,326 --> 01:14:25,786
I have one today that I'd like to share.

1675
01:14:26,306 --> 01:14:26,746
Okay, go for it.

1676
01:14:26,746 --> 01:14:27,366
Yeah, go for it.

1677
01:14:27,686 --> 01:14:29,266
Let's change up this segment a little bit.

1678
01:14:29,266 --> 01:14:34,546
This comes from my favorite poem, which is called The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock.

1679
01:14:35,506 --> 01:14:36,166
That's, yeah.

1680
01:14:36,166 --> 01:14:38,766
And it's applicable to what we've been talking about.

1681
01:14:38,766 --> 01:14:40,206
and he says

1682
01:14:40,206 --> 01:14:43,946
I should have been a pair of ragged claws

1683
01:14:43,946 --> 01:14:45,726
scuttling across

1684
01:14:45,726 --> 01:14:47,406
the floors of silent

1685
01:14:47,406 --> 01:14:48,226
seas

1686
01:14:48,226 --> 01:14:50,846
wait say that slower again

1687
01:14:50,846 --> 01:14:53,486
I said it real slow and I just want you to take it in

1688
01:14:53,486 --> 01:14:55,126
I need to hear it again

1689
01:14:55,126 --> 01:14:57,046
your subconscious heard it dude it's in there

1690
01:14:57,046 --> 01:14:58,446
something about clawing through the street

1691
01:14:58,446 --> 01:14:59,646
it's working it's way

1692
01:14:59,646 --> 01:15:01,926
it'll settle

1693
01:15:01,926 --> 01:15:03,866
I gotta hear it again

1694
01:15:03,866 --> 01:15:06,146
alright well that was

1695
01:15:06,146 --> 01:15:07,686
Top Cowboys this week

1696
01:15:07,686 --> 01:15:09,546
Tune in next week for

1697
01:15:09,546 --> 01:15:10,586
Some other segment

1698
01:15:10,586 --> 01:15:13,346
Wumbo's segment

1699
01:15:13,346 --> 01:15:16,126
We should just do Wumbo's

1700
01:15:16,126 --> 01:15:16,706
Picks twice

1701
01:15:16,706 --> 01:15:19,066
Alright we're gonna go into

1702
01:15:19,066 --> 01:15:21,746
Wumbo's second pick

1703
01:15:21,746 --> 01:15:23,426
I'm so lost

1704
01:15:23,426 --> 01:15:24,286
Where am I going

1705
01:15:24,286 --> 01:15:27,206
Wumbo's pick and it's a picture of Wumbo

1706
01:15:27,206 --> 01:15:29,506
Whoa doxxed

1707
01:15:29,506 --> 01:15:30,246
Wumbo's dick

1708
01:15:30,246 --> 01:15:33,706
Calm down y'all

1709
01:15:33,706 --> 01:15:34,846
Calm down

1710
01:15:34,846 --> 01:15:36,106
This is a PG-13 show

1711
01:15:36,106 --> 01:15:38,066
Dude, we'll just do age verification.

1712
01:15:38,286 --> 01:15:39,926
We got to calm down.

1713
01:15:40,666 --> 01:15:43,966
This is why people subscribe or unsubscribe.

1714
01:15:44,166 --> 01:15:45,226
This is why you should unsubscribe.

1715
01:15:45,826 --> 01:15:47,806
Yes, go and check and make sure you're unsubscribed.

1716
01:15:47,806 --> 01:15:48,266
You're unsubscribed, please.

1717
01:15:48,446 --> 01:15:48,766
Yes.

1718
01:15:49,206 --> 01:15:50,266
It's not safe at work.

1719
01:15:50,286 --> 01:15:50,726
I am subscribed.

1720
01:15:52,746 --> 01:15:54,506
Okay, so we got these two comments.

1721
01:15:54,806 --> 01:15:56,846
I'm just going to start calling this a Graphene OS segment

1722
01:15:56,846 --> 01:16:00,546
because every week we get new comments about this Graphene OS video

1723
01:16:00,546 --> 01:16:02,446
that people just keep on watching.

1724
01:16:02,646 --> 01:16:04,306
It's like two years old at this point.

1725
01:16:04,306 --> 01:16:05,866
And they just keep watching it.

1726
01:16:06,106 --> 01:16:08,526
Well, because we fucked this up so bad.

1727
01:16:08,866 --> 01:16:11,326
We were so wrong about what Grappian was doing.

1728
01:16:11,846 --> 01:16:12,726
Is that what it is?

1729
01:16:12,846 --> 01:16:13,666
Yeah, I think so.

1730
01:16:14,046 --> 01:16:17,726
So we made a bad video one time where we didn't prep.

1731
01:16:17,906 --> 01:16:18,766
That's how it goes.

1732
01:16:19,006 --> 01:16:20,186
No, but the weird thing is...

1733
01:16:20,186 --> 01:16:22,366
You got Clippy in your comments coming for you.

1734
01:16:22,726 --> 01:16:26,066
The title is right, and it suggests the right thing,

1735
01:16:26,166 --> 01:16:28,386
but everything we say is wrong in the video.

1736
01:16:28,826 --> 01:16:29,446
Yeah, I haven't watched it.

1737
01:16:29,446 --> 01:16:30,506
We made the right video.

1738
01:16:30,626 --> 01:16:31,386
I don't watch this.

1739
01:16:31,506 --> 01:16:33,106
I mean, I just do them live, and that's it.

1740
01:16:33,766 --> 01:16:34,046
Yeah.

1741
01:16:34,046 --> 01:16:37,006
The only time I watched it was when it was the DVD.

1742
01:16:37,506 --> 01:16:40,646
And then I had to edit it after Wumble edited it.

1743
01:16:41,086 --> 01:16:41,286
Yeah.

1744
01:16:42,446 --> 01:16:44,786
But it was just a lot of me saying, damn, I was right.

1745
01:16:44,906 --> 01:16:46,226
Damn, I was right the whole time.

1746
01:16:46,746 --> 01:16:48,226
But in this one, I think we were all wrong.

1747
01:16:48,226 --> 01:16:49,386
Wait, you were saying that in reaction?

1748
01:16:49,686 --> 01:16:53,326
I was saying, when I was doing the editing for the DVD, I was actually like, damn, we were right.

1749
01:16:53,466 --> 01:16:54,106
Damn, we were right.

1750
01:16:54,526 --> 01:16:54,926
Were you?

1751
01:16:55,086 --> 01:16:57,946
But now, I don't watch it for this stuff.

1752
01:16:59,166 --> 01:17:01,846
Anyways, the first one was Goss.

1753
01:17:01,846 --> 01:17:04,806
is a band-aid fix for your major problem?

1754
01:17:05,746 --> 01:17:07,426
Everyone complains about Google's control

1755
01:17:07,426 --> 01:17:09,646
yet continues in NOS ecosystem

1756
01:17:09,646 --> 01:17:11,106
that Google still has control over.

1757
01:17:11,726 --> 01:17:14,046
It's baffling how devs would rather spend time

1758
01:17:14,046 --> 01:17:15,466
undoing Google's nonsense

1759
01:17:15,466 --> 01:17:18,086
than building an ecosystem where they don't have to.

1760
01:17:18,506 --> 01:17:20,346
More effort goes into fork in a sinking ship

1761
01:17:20,346 --> 01:17:22,226
instead of building a new ship altogether.

1762
01:17:22,546 --> 01:17:23,286
Keanu, what do you think about that?

1763
01:17:24,686 --> 01:17:26,086
I think he's got a point.

1764
01:17:26,286 --> 01:17:29,606
I think hardware will get easier to build

1765
01:17:29,606 --> 01:17:31,346
and people will make it and it'll be...

1766
01:17:31,346 --> 01:17:33,866
significant differentiator

1767
01:17:33,866 --> 01:17:36,146
in a way that

1768
01:17:36,146 --> 01:17:39,386
the software is now. I think it'll become

1769
01:17:39,386 --> 01:17:41,986
pretty easy and people will stop

1770
01:17:41,986 --> 01:17:45,946
using products on the basis of the software and I think a lot more people

1771
01:17:45,946 --> 01:17:46,726
will make their own hardware.

1772
01:17:48,646 --> 01:17:51,666
So I think you might be kind of saying that from a

1773
01:17:51,666 --> 01:17:55,886
position of thinking about the future, but I think as it stands right now, it's a lot easier to

1774
01:17:55,886 --> 01:17:57,626
target

1775
01:17:57,626 --> 01:18:00,926
Google's device and work against them a little bit

1776
01:18:00,926 --> 01:18:04,006
than it is to produce your own phone.

1777
01:18:04,266 --> 01:18:05,666
But they are producing their own phone.

1778
01:18:05,826 --> 01:18:08,046
They're working with a manufacturer who already knows how to do it.

1779
01:18:10,226 --> 01:18:12,566
Four days ago, the same video.

1780
01:18:12,886 --> 01:18:13,446
You see that?

1781
01:18:13,566 --> 01:18:14,706
One of them is clippy, though.

1782
01:18:14,766 --> 01:18:15,386
See the icon?

1783
01:18:15,646 --> 01:18:16,326
We're going to get to that.

1784
01:18:17,026 --> 01:18:19,246
Four days ago, the same video.

1785
01:18:19,546 --> 01:18:20,166
Another comment.

1786
01:18:20,806 --> 01:18:22,166
He does not get it, does he?

1787
01:18:22,806 --> 01:18:23,406
Question mark.

1788
01:18:23,986 --> 01:18:25,486
Relationship with Pixel is over.

1789
01:18:25,946 --> 01:18:26,346
Period.

1790
01:18:26,586 --> 01:18:27,326
Doesn't get it?

1791
01:18:27,326 --> 01:18:28,726
I wonder who he's talking about.

1792
01:18:29,186 --> 01:18:30,206
Could be anyone.

1793
01:18:30,206 --> 01:18:31,086
Probably me.

1794
01:18:31,966 --> 01:18:32,826
I don't get it.

1795
01:18:34,086 --> 01:18:38,046
And I don't understand why you keep commenting on this stupid video.

1796
01:18:40,146 --> 01:18:40,666
BF9870.

1797
01:18:40,666 --> 01:18:41,886
But we appreciate you.

1798
01:18:43,206 --> 01:18:45,346
We don't because we did it hard at Coob.

1799
01:18:46,506 --> 01:18:47,086
All right.

1800
01:18:47,126 --> 01:18:47,706
I didn't even see it.

1801
01:18:47,706 --> 01:18:50,786
The third comment on four days ago.

1802
01:18:52,446 --> 01:18:56,146
Clippy, also known as Kari Magic, came on and said,

1803
01:18:57,066 --> 01:18:59,706
Mafia also does Mafia stuff in tech.

1804
01:19:00,206 --> 01:19:01,286
What is that called?

1805
01:19:01,566 --> 01:19:02,226
Greater than.

1806
01:19:02,366 --> 01:19:04,866
Greater than rich people are death since forever.

1807
01:19:05,306 --> 01:19:06,286
What does that even mean?

1808
01:19:06,326 --> 01:19:07,286
That's like a Gen Z take.

1809
01:19:07,386 --> 01:19:08,446
I don't know what that means at all.

1810
01:19:08,546 --> 01:19:09,526
Rich people are death.

1811
01:19:09,766 --> 01:19:10,646
I don't understand that.

1812
01:19:11,206 --> 01:19:12,926
That's a big thing to say.

1813
01:19:13,726 --> 01:19:14,406
Can matchy.

1814
01:19:15,346 --> 01:19:16,186
Like a communist.

1815
01:19:16,546 --> 01:19:18,046
He's like pro-mafia communist.

1816
01:19:18,046 --> 01:19:20,686
I need to get my claw out to understand.

1817
01:19:20,926 --> 01:19:21,666
Tell me what that is.

1818
01:19:21,766 --> 01:19:23,486
Clippy is probably communist.

1819
01:19:23,726 --> 01:19:24,506
Oh, yeah.

1820
01:19:24,686 --> 01:19:25,246
You think so?

1821
01:19:26,186 --> 01:19:28,006
He's not around anymore, so that'll tell you.

1822
01:19:28,006 --> 01:19:30,126
Now let's get into the base comments.

1823
01:19:30,226 --> 01:19:32,586
Let's get into the base comments, which are our found comments.

1824
01:19:33,706 --> 01:19:35,926
And we got Blockchain Boog says, waiting for Cinnamon to go public.

1825
01:19:36,046 --> 01:19:36,706
I need some shares.

1826
01:19:38,126 --> 01:19:38,526
Cinnamon.

1827
01:19:39,986 --> 01:19:40,666
Oh, man.

1828
01:19:40,746 --> 01:19:41,546
Blockchain Boog.

1829
01:19:41,786 --> 01:19:43,666
You really set me up for that one.

1830
01:19:44,926 --> 01:19:46,446
Great chat with John Zapp.

1831
01:19:47,366 --> 01:19:47,786
There you go.

1832
01:19:48,086 --> 01:19:48,966
That's a Blockchain Boog.

1833
01:19:50,346 --> 01:19:50,706
Mmm.

1834
01:19:51,506 --> 01:19:52,186
I didn't realize.

1835
01:19:52,526 --> 01:19:53,526
Oh, Boog is.

1836
01:19:53,526 --> 01:19:57,826
He has a stocker stacker stocks territory.

1837
01:19:58,006 --> 01:19:58,726
if I remember correctly.

1838
01:19:59,986 --> 01:20:01,026
All right, that's all we got.

1839
01:20:01,166 --> 01:20:03,306
That's all the stuff this week.

1840
01:20:03,546 --> 01:20:05,406
Kion, what are you doing this weekend?

1841
01:20:05,726 --> 01:20:07,766
Oh, man, I'm going to do a whole bunch of things.

1842
01:20:07,826 --> 01:20:12,986
I think I'm going to set up possibly my open claw.

1843
01:20:13,186 --> 01:20:13,546
No.

1844
01:20:15,306 --> 01:20:19,986
I'm going to set it up so I can be like all the other grown men in here

1845
01:20:19,986 --> 01:20:21,106
and have a silicone child.

1846
01:20:23,386 --> 01:20:25,646
When you say it like that, it sounds really pathetic.

1847
01:20:25,666 --> 01:20:26,206
A silicone family.

1848
01:20:26,666 --> 01:20:27,966
I'm going to have a silicone family.

1849
01:20:28,006 --> 01:20:29,706
and no one can stop me.

1850
01:20:31,006 --> 01:20:33,266
And, yeah, I'm going to do that.

1851
01:20:33,626 --> 01:20:34,566
I don't know what else I'm going to do.

1852
01:20:35,406 --> 01:20:36,866
I don't think I have any other plans.

1853
01:20:37,166 --> 01:20:38,766
I should probably do something else with myself

1854
01:20:38,766 --> 01:20:39,986
and my life in general,

1855
01:20:40,146 --> 01:20:43,406
but instead I'm probably going to be in my office.

1856
01:20:43,406 --> 01:20:46,246
I'll be shipping some code this weekend,

1857
01:20:46,966 --> 01:20:47,566
late at night.

1858
01:20:47,686 --> 01:20:49,266
And chewing some gum.

1859
01:20:49,906 --> 01:20:50,826
I'm always chewing gum.

1860
01:20:51,166 --> 01:20:51,786
Never stop.

1861
01:20:52,346 --> 01:20:53,566
I wish I could chew it in my sleep.

1862
01:20:53,646 --> 01:20:54,246
I probably would.

1863
01:20:55,186 --> 01:20:55,606
How about you?

1864
01:20:55,666 --> 01:20:56,406
What are you guys doing?

1865
01:20:56,426 --> 01:20:57,286
What are you doing this weekend?

1866
01:20:57,286 --> 01:21:02,346
Before we, well, maybe I'll just deny telling you that and instead tell you something else.

1867
01:21:02,466 --> 01:21:12,246
I would like to suggest another new segment where I reveal the drawing I created while we were on the pod live.

1868
01:21:12,846 --> 01:21:15,966
Because, you know, this was like a feature of some live shows.

1869
01:21:16,386 --> 01:21:17,966
They have an artist out to the side.

1870
01:21:17,966 --> 01:21:19,246
Oh, yeah, come and show us.

1871
01:21:19,526 --> 01:21:20,346
Oh, it's like a court.

1872
01:21:21,206 --> 01:21:22,806
Okay, if you'll show that to the screen.

1873
01:21:23,146 --> 01:21:24,406
This is what she made.

1874
01:21:25,266 --> 01:21:26,706
This is a picture of Carr.

1875
01:21:27,286 --> 01:21:29,846
Yeah, because he sold his soul.

1876
01:21:30,666 --> 01:21:31,426
To what?

1877
01:21:31,806 --> 01:21:32,466
I didn't sell my soul.

1878
01:21:32,586 --> 01:21:33,006
To what?

1879
01:21:33,186 --> 01:21:33,806
Well, you might.

1880
01:21:34,526 --> 01:21:35,946
You can't really see it very well.

1881
01:21:35,986 --> 01:21:36,286
I can't see.

1882
01:21:36,366 --> 01:21:38,546
It looks like some sort of dog.

1883
01:21:39,786 --> 01:21:40,406
It's a snake.

1884
01:21:41,226 --> 01:21:41,706
Oh, is it?

1885
01:21:42,066 --> 01:21:42,386
Yep.

1886
01:21:42,906 --> 01:21:43,666
Oh, it's an orange one.

1887
01:21:43,846 --> 01:21:44,206
Interesting.

1888
01:21:44,606 --> 01:21:45,006
All right.

1889
01:21:45,126 --> 01:21:46,246
So that's what I'm going to do this weekend.

1890
01:21:46,246 --> 01:21:47,266
Where did you get the colors from?

1891
01:21:47,426 --> 01:21:47,946
I brought them.

1892
01:21:48,406 --> 01:21:48,966
They're right here.

1893
01:21:49,046 --> 01:21:49,206
Oh, wow.

1894
01:21:49,586 --> 01:21:50,506
I didn't know we...

1895
01:21:50,506 --> 01:21:51,026
Twistables.

1896
01:21:51,246 --> 01:21:51,646
Oh, wow.

1897
01:21:52,286 --> 01:21:52,626
That's a thing.

1898
01:21:52,626 --> 01:21:53,526
Conceal and carry, dude.

1899
01:21:54,166 --> 01:21:54,526
Cool.

1900
01:21:55,646 --> 01:21:56,126
Yeah.

1901
01:21:56,126 --> 01:21:57,766
Yeah, let's end this.

1902
01:21:57,866 --> 01:21:58,786
I got a lot of work to do.

1903
01:21:59,026 --> 01:22:00,686
And see you next time, stackers.

1904
01:22:00,826 --> 01:22:01,126
Who's that?