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hello ladies and welcome back to another side of this is my name is carl with the
It could be about Keon and Gianna.
That's not me.
Oh, Plopo.
Dox.
Wow.
Starting off with the dox.
Strong.
Strong doxing.
Right there.
Strong dox.
How was your week, Keon?
Rapper name?
My week was great.
Oh, it was like, I was around and over and into.
What?
I did so many things.
strong docs though that is a pretty cool name strong docs say more about that guy he's maybe
like a music producer yeah just just hit the radio waves the radio yeah like the internet
radio waves what are you like they're still 70 years old they're not uh you know this is like no
he's hip, so
he does it
like the old school.
He does it like a
rapper or something?
He runs a radio station
out of his
mom's house.
Sure.
But he's good.
And so people are
picking up on it.
They're like,
man, this guy's
grinding.
And he's got
that strong
dog synergy.
I know.
That's cool.
I want to meet him
for sure.
Sounds great.
I don't know if
you'd like him.
Why?
I don't know.
He's kind of
angry.
That's okay.
All right.
You like angry people.
I used to.
How was your week, Carr?
It was good.
Well, let's go with Jana first.
Jana, keep talking.
How was your week?
And I'll say a little bit about my week, even though I'm not Jana right now.
All right.
I'm sorry.
Spooky.
Double docks.
Strikes again.
Guess what I got to do this week?
I'll tell you.
I got to repaint an exterior sign.
Can you say that in English?
Wow.
What's the difference between an exterior sign and an interior sign?
It stays outside all the time.
Okay, so it has different environments.
You've got to consider how it's going to weather.
Well, that's why I had to repaint it because it was weathered.
I see.
Someone did not consider the exterior requirements.
You know, it was about four years old and everything just has its time.
So it was time to give it.
It was an illustration.
It was letters.
It was plants.
Wow.
So it was kind of like a coloring book.
It was exactly like a coloring book.
I thought that while I was doing it, and it was really fun.
And it was pretty big.
It was probably like four feet tall by like seven feet, eight feet wide.
Oh, that's a lot of paint.
It was a lot of paint.
It took me three days, and it was a good time.
If you go to the place where I work part-time, you can see it.
Okay.
What if we don't want to go there?
How do we see it?
I have a picture of it.
Okay.
I'd like to see a picture of it.
If you're my friend, maybe I'll show you the picture.
Okay.
Well, maybe we can get one of your friends to look at it and tell me what it's like.
There you go.
Excellent.
I didn't paint any signs this week.
Carter, did you paint any signs?
No, but it's weird because I'm on here now.
it's not showing me my
usual Stacker News thing.
I guess it's live.
Yeah, it's live, but it just didn't.
It just didn't, like, for whatever reason,
you have a blue checkmark right now.
I think so.
Okay, because for whatever
reason, if you go to the profile page on
Stacker News, it's not showing
on the profile page.
Anyways.
Elon Musk has always had it out for me.
I know. For sure.
He's a hater.
He knows about you and everything.
No, my week was great up until like 30 minutes, hour ago.
You know, one of the things that bothers me the most is we're car rants today.
Sending 430 emails, right?
It's like, here's a nuclear bomb.
Let me send you a 430 email.
Yeah.
You'd prefer it in the morning?
Prefer it in the morning.
Preferably have a Monday, you know.
It would be great.
That's fair.
Not like a Friday at 4.30 or at 3.30 right before you're going to do a live show, you know?
That is a bad time to get a bad email.
Yeah.
I can agree.
So I had to take care of that right before the show.
And then that's why we're late 30 minutes, Snackers.
But other than that, it's going pretty good.
You got a hair done.
What did I do this week?
Yeah.
What did I do this week?
I'm trying to think.
Yeah, look at the fresh, yeah.
You got some plans?
You got a date?
Trying to think what I did this week.
Oh, maybe because.
Trying to think.
he's not going to listen, but probably.
Give it a girl's name this time, man.
Oh.
Yeah, it's a great week.
I got my bots coding for me.
Saving some money on some sass.
Yeah.
Apparently there's an open claw
hackathon going on upstairs at Antler.
I think Nick's going to go.
Should we crash it?
Yeah, you should totally crush it
I could just show up and be like, I'll write an article about it
That might work
And then just write a hate piece on
Open Claw
Wait, have you not made your own Open Claw?
Have you not done that yet?
What do you think?
Yes, because your husband
Am I my husband?
Oh, wow
We got this Janet today
Triple talks
It's okay
It's good for the show.
Let me go ahead and get started.
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It was a really good conversation there.
And then last week, the most popular video was the creator of Open Claw.
Turns out everybody wants to hear about him.
We'll talk more about him later in the show, but the guy's all over the place, Keon.
That's what you guys keep saying.
Yeah, he's on every podcast.
Did you listen on this podcast?
I learned what flavor ice cream he likes.
He's kind of a popular dev right now.
I guess.
I think it is.
I think, yeah.
It's kind of cool.
Yeah, we're going to jump into the number three top story.
I effed around and found out about Open Claw so you don't have to.
5,439 sats, 220k boosts.
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41 comments from Billy the Kid.
February 10th, AI territory.
That's the mouthful.
Keon, what's this?
Yeah, so it looks like Billy the Kid.
They set up their OpenClaw, and they reported back on how they're using it and how they view it.
A bit of context.
They're not very technical, but they got sort of technical.
They got IT-level technical when they got into Bitcoin,
because all that stuff is really useful when you're trying to do Bitcoin things,
just to know how computers work and stuff.
It's kind of table stakes.
yeah so they were they felt like they could handle setting up open claw and so they did
yeah I guess they they named their claw bot or their multi they named it Luis or I don't know
if you'd say it is that is that like I don't know if that's the right way to say when did you say
Lewis and when do you say Luis I think it's what it's spelled l-o-u-i-s I think Lewis and then
And Luis is like Spanish.
Okay.
So if I'm south of the border.
But you can say both.
I think they'll answer to both.
What about Louis?
You wouldn't say Louis?
Oh, yeah, you're right.
I didn't even think about that.
But what about Luis then?
So it's like Luis, Louis, Louis, Louis.
Yeah.
I'm confused too.
Actually, we need somebody smart to figure this out.
That will, this post isn't about names.
So that's good.
Because we would do a bad job.
So I guess the main thing they ended up using them for are these kind of everyday tasks they're doing.
So putting things in their calendar, I guess they would chat with a chatbot and be like, put this in my calendar.
Another interesting thing they did was they would take pictures of receipts and have the bot put it into a spreadsheet for them.
So it was kind of like doing automatic bookkeeping, which is kind of neat.
and then they said they had some
some of the periodic things they did
was they'd have it do deep research on
things that they were curious about and send
them updates
and then weather
reminders of
various kinds
and they end it with
some things that you should consider when running it
I guess that they felt
like they learned
you don't want to
run it on its own machine
not on like your personal computer
and you don't want to give it pseudo access
depending on how you
plan on using that machine but
it's always a good thing to not give
software that you don't trust
you know prevent it from having pseudo
don't let it near your bitcoin obviously
yeah for sure
and you'll need you know
you should know that you're going to need
to be using a cloud LLM most likely
unless you've spent a lot on running local models yourself
or willing to do all that.
Those people might not even be using something like OpenClaw.
And then he warned people away from using Claw Hub,
which is where all of these third-party skills are hosted,
and many of them have been found to have malware in them.
You should probably not.
They suspect that most people will be writing their own skills anyway.
Are you guys going, Ted?
I'm just going to check it out.
Okay.
They're going to go check out the open claw thing.
A lot of people in the lab are going to an open claw event.
It's a real phenomenon.
Yeah, dude.
I think it's a game changer.
Yeah.
I keep saying that.
I think that's the 1,000th time.
Yeah.
I'm surprised he didn't install it on DigitalOcean.
So I installed another one on DigitalOcean this week just to play around with that kind of onboarding process.
I think I like it better
because then from there I can just connect it to its own workspace Slack
that's kind of
the thing I've been doing
because I feel like from there
then I can just get it to do GitHub stuff
and all it needs is my
GitHub or you can just spin up another
GitHub for it if you want
why couldn't you do that locally here?
I tried, I mean right now I'm doing the prayers app
in here
but I think I like the DigitalOcean one better
personally
is it a networking issue?
because that would be the only real...
No, I think I just like that kind of sandbox-ish.
Oh, you like it kind of far away.
You feel vulnerable with it.
Yeah, I don't want to plug it into, like, you know what I mean?
So that's kind of my least thinking around it,
but I don't know.
What do you got, PlotPoet?
I think that anything that Kara likes,
this is the pattern that I've noticed.
If Kara likes it, it's a game changer.
Ah.
Yeah.
A game changer for everyone.
What do you think about that right there?
What game?
I don't know what I think about that.
It makes me feel like...
Threatened.
As where?
Just as a machine?
Well, look.
It's like menacing looking.
But also it's Terminator, yeah.
Like Terminator, yeah.
Trying to be cool.
Yeah.
It's confusing.
It kind of looks like the...
Which is pretty awesome.
I just want to...
I'm sorry to keep saying this, but it needs to be said once again.
Say it.
Like the memes this week, and this one including ass.
They are, they are, one word description, ass?
They're ass.
That's right.
And that's what I'm saying today.
Wow.
I believe it.
Really bringing the energy up there.
Let's see what Optimism says because he's optimistic.
and he says say it uploads your encryptify with your secrets to archive of alien i can't read that
and then in 10 years when all the qc boys get it their way they'll decrypt a lot and well correlate
ah it has access to your calendar cool now it probably knows who you are also can verify that
against your business receipts so in 10 years above mentioned site turns into a search engine
and then the public doesn't need epstein psyops because we can just read all daddy and mommy
secrets online because future employers be like sorry you disqualified for this job because your
daddy had picked some booty in a cryptophile so you have yeah i don't know what did that mean kian
yeah he's basically just saying that if your encryption doesn't protect you from uh the future
i guess if if we imagine that a lot of encryption will be broken in the future storing you know the
The fact that you have something encrypted, if it's stored somewhere or someone has a copy of it,
that means in the future they might be able to decrypt it.
So it's not future-proof, potentially.
Yeah, I don't know about that, because there's a lot of stuff that I made in the 2010s and 2000s
that's not online anymore.
Yeah, someone might delete it, but times have changed.
I mean, he's making sort of a troll-y joke point, but I think it's a real point.
Yeah, I get what he's saying.
He's saying more like in the future, everything will be –
you put yourself at potentially being doxxed in the future.
He's basically saying there is no time with this kind of stuff.
Timelines don't exist.
They're all – what's the word I'm looking for?
They're all – it's like Matthew McConaughey at the end of –
interstellar where it's just
it's just like a library.
Be a lot cooler if you did.
Yeah.
That's literally what it is.
He's saying, right?
No, that's a different movie.
All your encrypted files there.
No, not the same thing.
I think he's just mostly saying
that you should take more
precautions than you think
which is always a good
reminder for people.
The fact that you've encrypted
these files on your computer
co-located with Open Claw
you feel safe because yeah
maybe Open Claw will
throw them on the cloud somewhere.
How was it?
There is?
Nice.
Dude, that's crazy.
How many people are there?
That's not a lot of people.
I was expecting like 100 something people.
Maybe they're coming.
All the clawers are coming out.
Oh, yeah.
Anyway, that's cool.
Sorry, Keon.
He looked excited.
cool stuff
Kian what's your thoughts on this
are you going to install it
do you have an open claw
I'm going to put it on a computer
so that people stop asking me
I'm not left out
all my friends have
silicon children
and keep asking me when I'm going to have my
silicon child
why aren't you having a silicon child
Kian what's wrong with you
aren't you going to do what
the internet wants for you
stuff like that
Bitcoin PlebDev got mentioned in this article
there at the bottom
yeah what did it say?
I think it was at Bitcoin PlebDev that made a comment
about how Bitcoiners ought not to be
Luddites
Austin do you stand behind that?
this is what I was telling you about somebody quoting you
as a Bitcoiner
should I care?
I think it was Bitcoiners ought to not be Luddites
I quite agree
and it is
this sentiment that prompted me to get on
and give it a try
however piping AI data centers
directly into your home machines
should be anathema
to the cypherpunk ethos
can these polls be bridged
listen I agree
I hope you didn't take my comment as
I should run open claw
because I regret
showing car open claw
it's dangerous
it's not
it's not only
is it not good
why do you
literally were
telling me yesterday
like I'm glad
you're coding now
I'm glad
like maybe
no I am
I am
I'm glad
it makes me happy
to see
tell me how you
really feel
you know
not only
is it bad
for your machine
and your security
and your opsec
but I think
it's really bad
for your brain
and your
social skills
no I'm just kidding
I'm being a little
bit sarcastic here
but
we're turning
the world
into autism
it's not just
Nah, I don't have an autism bone in me.
But no, I do stand by this.
We need to, you know, I believe I'm playing around with open claw.
But for me, I'm playing around with it from the sense of this thing is happening.
What is that?
How is this going to look for Bitcoiners?
How is this going to look for us that want to keep our data private, local, that want to be adversarial?
Right.
understanding, recognizing that things are changing, this paradigm shift is happening.
But at the same time, if it's happening, I require that it must happen within my principles.
Right?
So how do we figure that out?
Right?
And I mean, that doesn't have to happen.
That's just on us.
We just have to open clause here and we need to make open clause suitable for Bitcoiners
and useful for Bitcoiners,
or else we're going to be left in the dust
or just have to choose between, yeah,
being left in the dust or giving up our data to big tech.
We can use these tools and develop our own tools.
Yeah, whatever.
Being a Luddite isn't the answer.
We have to be practical,
and if the ground is shifting beneath us,
we need to react to it appropriately.
So you're saying you want every Bitcoiner using OpenClaw?
I'm saying I want every Bitcoiner thinking about OpenClaw
and thinking about what this means
and preparing
for, yeah
the death of the internet
Right now I'm working on two GitHub projects
I'm probably going to start my fourth next week
Bro's got rebos
Dude, I have so many ideas
I've been trying to get these guys to do for years
and now
it's unleashed
I'm unleashed
Do you tell them my challenge?
Huh?
No what was your here use the mic they can hear you Sorry What was your challenge My challenge for Carr is uh he cause he telling me about how he vibe coding every day I like give me a give me a URL I can visit
There you go.
Wait, what?
Oh yeah, yeah.
I got that figured out here very soon.
I just learned next, or my bot just learned next JS.
So that's, we're getting, that's great.
That is domain technology.
Dude, I was telling Austin the other day.
I was like, that's in the right domain.
I told him the other day, I was like, dude, GitHub is freaking awesome.
Like, I had no idea how great.
It triggered me so much when he said that.
I had no idea how awesome GitHub was.
Why did it trigger you?
Because you've learned to hate GitHub?
No, me.
Oh, have I learned to hate GitHub by the influencers I listen to?
No.
For me, I just never understood how it functioned.
But now I'm like, it's kind of cool.
You can have your own Git locally, and then you can have your Git repo on.
Oh, and to Git, not GitHub.
No, GitHub too.
Because I run my own local Git
and then have it and then post it.
Is that how it works?
That's right. That's the flow.
Tell them about Git, Jana.
Carl, let me tell you how long I've been doing that.
Wow.
On my own.
Hey, we all got to start somewhere at some time.
Right, Ted?
Yep.
But no, it is cool.
No, you're right. It is super cool.
Yeah, I can't wait.
I really want to make something really cool.
Good.
Sweet.
Looking forward to doing it.
Anyways, okay, let's go to the next one.
We spent a lot of time talking about Open Claw.
We'll be talking about it later in the show, too, again.
There's more stories.
Second top story of the week is Boomerang Bitcoin cold storage with built-in corrosion resistance.
Corrosion?
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You didn't know Bitcoin could resist corrosion, did you?
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Bitcoin territory.
Yeah, so this is tricky, but it's a design for cold storage that attempts to store your Bitcoin in a way where the spending paths are unpredictable.
and so therefore deters an attacker
who might need more predictable conditions
in which to coerce you into giving them your Bitcoin.
That's the general gist.
And then the details of it are pretty complicated
and I would recommend the person
who wrote this up or had their bot write it up.
they break it into layers that are
well isolated
from each other so that we can
consider them independently because right now
everything is kind of jumbled.
I have some
notes on it. This is where I spent
most of my prep, but the protocol is named
after the boomerang nebula.
When I think of boomerang, I think of
the tool.
I think of the Eddie Murphy movie.
What Eddie Murphy movie was that?
It was called boomerang. There's a nebula out there that's
called boomerang yeah i guess it's the coldest nebula or the coldest region of space that we can
see oh and is it coming back is that is that why it's no there's no there's no actual relation i
guess it's probably shaped like a boomerang that's probably why it's called a boomerang anyway that's
what it's named after so i think it's alluding to it being for cold storage they're motivated by
them thinking that air gapping and other typical Bitcoin protection measures are best suited to
remote attacks. So someone who you don't know is in close proximity to you, they can't steal your
Bitcoin if you abide by normal best practices for Bitcoin. But they argue that we don't do much yet,
or we don't have much around rent attack prevention.
Or we could maybe go further in rent attack prevention
other than multi-sig and time locks and things that we normally do.
Do you have something you wanted to say, Carl?
Yeah, to have...
I'm trying to...
And this is just me being dumb.
Are they saying boomerang is a protocol?
Or are they saying boomerang is...
This is the next generation, what I'm trying to speak, and a protocol?
It's a protocol for...
Not an actual protocol, but a protocol in the real world sense.
right?
I think it's both.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, so.
They called it a protocol right there.
Yeah, I know.
I just didn't understand if they meant like an actual protocol or just a protocol in the
real world because they go into like kind of like a.
I mean, you know, in an abstract sense, a protocol is a standardized procedure.
Right.
That's what I thought all this was.
And it is a standardized procedure, but in addition, it has components to it that are
code that abide by the standardized procedure, but it's not a communication protocol, but
it uses the Bitcoin protocol and there's a protocol on top of Bitcoin's protocol for
storing Bitcoin with unpredictable spending pass.
Anyway, what else is here?
This is interesting.
Yeah, but the main thing it adds is that it creates, it makes it so that when you attempt to spend on a certain spend path in this taproot script, it is unpredictable when the Bitcoin will actually be unlocked.
And then there are also other protection mechanisms in there where I think you can, in a plausibly deniable way, suggest to other participants that you are being forced to sign under duress.
and additionally it has a when you when you signal them for duress you are also sending
them encrypted messages about your location that they can decrypt and then you know a local
authority can come maybe help save you or whatever it's pretty complicated i think the main the main
insight is that you're storing your bitcoin in a way that you you can't guarantee when you'll be
able to spend it. And not only does it inconvenience you, but you might not care about the inconvenience
because you plan on never spending it. Importantly, it inconveniences the attacker. And that's
kind of, and then again, there are all these other layers to it, but I think they're kind
of superfluous. And then you have two spend paths. There's another more traditional spend
path, the other spin path,
just like a waterfall
type unlock
as blocks get mined.
Who made this bit?
Euronics. Okay.
I think they spun up a nim
just for this protocol.
Oh, there you go.
Interesting.
It's very dense.
Well, it's slop.
Coercion, in this
sense, means
physical attack.
Like people ganging up on you.
Well, like, yeah, someone comes to your, the wrench attack.
Sign these keys so I can get your, or sign these transactions so I can get your back.
Interesting.
Do we have any comments down here?
OT said, sounds complex, maybe a real world walkthrough might be, might get me understand it better.
And then the OP came in there, or the GitHub guy came in there and explained again.
but it looks like it's all from the GitHub, though.
Yeah, it's like more just kind of,
ChachiBee, or at Grok, please summarize this for these idiots.
Yeah, so Anon said if an attacker is willing to wait indefinitely,
doesn't Boomerang just delay the inevitable?
Then OP said that's a fair concern,
and Boomerang isn't trying to defeat an infinitely patient attacker,
because realistically no custody system can.
where the targets of suck erosion actually happens in the real world.
So, interesting.
Yeah, I think they're suggesting that even if you have a time lock on your Bitcoin
with some other path that allows you to get out of it,
the attacker would be able to plan.
Say you have something that's like 10 years.
The attacker would be able to plan that they need to wait 10 years
to be able to get that Bitcoin.
But in their case, they're saying the attacker has no idea.
They wouldn't plan for 10 years.
They would have to plan for indefinite because there is no, they can't know for sure.
But I don't, I mean, it's an interesting idea.
I'm not sure how practical it is.
But I think it's worth people who are interested in these things thinking about it.
I mean, it seems like every month now somebody gets kidnapped or gets a finger clawed off.
based off of stuff like this.
It makes sense why somebody like this would want to get something like this started.
There's definitely a need for something a little bit more resilient.
Cool.
Okay.
Let's jump into the number one story this week is
One Miner's Proto Scam Revealed by Proto Block Inc.
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Key on.
What's this?
Yeah.
Do you remember the Proto Rigs?
Proto, Proto.
Why does that sound familiar?
That's from Block.
Remember when they released their mining hardware?
Last year.
We did cover that.
Huh?
We covered that, right?
Last year?
We did cover it.
Okay, yeah.
So what's going on?
Yeah.
So this guy was excited about it.
like many people were excited about it.
And so they wanted to get into Bitcoin mining,
but they wanted to do it with proto rigs.
And so they found this company called One Miners,
and they pre-ordered a bunch of proto rigs for them.
One Miners promised to buy the proto rigs for them
and host it in Nigeria where there's cheap electricity.
And so they expected to be able to make a profit
after putting up $22,000.
So he paid them and was promised that he'd get a shipment
at the end of November or in November of last year.
And then I guess there was a, you know, he communicated with them
and they said there was a delay and that they actually received them in January instead.
And so when he messaged them, they said, oh, they're going to be here real soon.
And so, yeah, then they sent him, or then he was able to log into his dashboard
after they were supposed to arrive.
And the dashboard showed that he was mining Bitcoin with proto rigs in Nigeria.
and make him money.
And so he was, you know, a success.
He'd spent $22K, and this was going to go,
and eventually he was going to make his money back.
But then, I guess, a few days after he saw that dashboard,
he got an email from the company, One Miners,
that that was actually a software book.
And it was actually a mistake that he saw that dashboard
because his miners actually never arrived.
Oh, wow.
and that dashboard was misreporting what was going on.
And really, they don't know when they're ever going to get proto-rigs.
And so instead, they offered him an alternative path
so that he can begin mining,
which are these other miners that are roughly current generation, I would guess,
but not a proto-rig.
And they said they would host them in the United States rather than Nigeria.
and they do it for a fee of $7,000.
So in addition to the $22,000 he sent them,
they were now asking for $7,000 to correct the problem
that was Block's fault, the proto-people's fault.
Anyway, so at this point he was pretty certain it was a scam.
Fortunately, he didn't get pulled deeper into it,
So he reached out to Block and asked them about what was going on,
and they responded that they did not sell proto rigs to anyone,
any third-party resellers, and they worked directly with, I would guess,
a handful of partners, and that's who they sell them to.
More or less confirming that this was a scam.
and then open miners continued to kind of try to
get more money from him and increase the scam and like gaslight him
because he went on a, fortunately for everyone who else might have gotten
pulled into the scam, he went on a bunch of review sites,
contacted local authorities and is trying to get the company shut down
or at least discourage people from using them.
But they claimed that they had miners ready to go,
or they were hosting other miners for him already in place of the proto-rigs,
and that all he had to do was pay them a little more money,
and then he'd be able to get the profits from those.
So the scam, they just kind of kept,
they boldly kept pronouncing themselves not scammers, as scammers tend to.
That is the...
Wow, what a story.
Yeah.
Oh, gosh.
Squaresby said, rough story.
I'm sorry to hear they turn out to be scams.
At this point, I have to admit,
it seems like any hosted mining setup is just not worth it.
Best profits are eaten away by cost and fee.
It's just a scam.
And Bitcoin AI said, yeah, expensive lesson for sure.
It's weird.
I mean, I feel like cloud mining has always been a scam.
Way back 2017, when I first heard about it.
every cycle it feels like there's just a new
cloud miner show up and
scam commences
it's a common
I mean Jason B wrote about
getting scammed
he was someone was advertising that they were
giving away used miners
it's like a common scam I guess
we have a bunch of old miners if you'd like old miners
we'll send them to you all you have to do is pay
send us the shipping costs
and you send them the shipping costs and they never ship
it to you so they're basically just collecting
and all these shipping costs from people.
I think it's because miners are expensive
and there's this upfront cost,
and I think that's why it's ripe for scams.
And people get paid in Bitcoin.
Bitcoiners are willing to pay people in Bitcoin,
which is nice to scam with on a relative basis.
And to be honest, just knowing miners
and sort of how this thing works,
usually if there's really cheap energy,
they're not talking about it.
So that's another reason you know it's a scam.
I don't know. It's weird, man.
I feel bad for this guy, but
dang, what a lot of money just to
blow and miss.
Yeah.
Crazy stuff.
Playpoint, you got anything on this? What do you think about that
lesson? It's tough.
And
you can find it on the
zine this week, too.
I threw it up there.
But
bring it over here from Substack, you know.
There you go.
Cool.
The next, next we're going to jump into all the stories that we have this week.
I didn't get time to do any posts because I was busy right before the show.
But the first one I want to bring up is Wumble's Picks.
Oh, my gosh.
The most popular segment.
well, the second popular segment
in this show is Wumble's Picks.
Every week we tune in to Wumble
and his picks.
This week, Discord will require a face scan
or ID for full access next month
from Scoresby.
Keon, what's this from Wumble's Picks?
Yeah, so I think Discord has been
flirting with this idea for a while,
but they've begun trying to
kind of like adult content websites.
They're trying to determine the age of its users
so that they can allow them, I guess, to see all the content.
And then if they're below the age, they prevent them from seeing it.
So I think they've been doing this for a while.
But I think they're beginning to require it
across more of the ecosystem.
them. I'm not super familiar. I don't use Discord
much personally.
But
I think
what they're planning on doing is treating everyone
like they're a teenager. And then if you
want to access anything that
they deem restricted or
their content bots
deem restricted, you will have to
age verify by some method.
And that's like kind of the big
change here.
I guess I'm trying to figure out, is it
like
actual verification like via like how though just like the way youtube verifies you or they're being
super vague and kind of cagey about it where they're like well in some cases we'll run a local
model and it'll just take a video of your face and it won't return it actually won't return a
video of your face kyc verification and then they're saying we're also experimenting with
is it illegal for minors though we'll just read your content and then we'll determine that you're
of age and base our determination
on that. Or you can send us your
ID or...
I feel like this is illegal in Texas.
This is illegal?
I feel like Texas is probably pushing them to do this.
No, I feel like you can't take
pictures of a minor
via an app.
I feel like that's a legal thing.
I think that's why they're claiming that it's local and they're not actually
sending the pictures anywhere.
Good luck with that.
Anyway, so everyone's kind of
like, well, this is terrible.
Because a lot of people have communities or other things on Discord,
and they do discuss things that are maybe on the border.
So take a video selfie or scan your ID?
Yeah.
And this is required from now on?
It's required accessing certain kinds of content.
Oh, okay.
So it's not across every Discord.
No.
But at any point, your Discord might be deemed teenager inappropriate,
in which case all the people in your discord would have to go through this process uh so
wumble's question this week was do you think scores be prediction is correct this will be
the case for every major website that allows user upload content i go to pletpo first what do you
think okay um i was trying to scan a photo of the snake that i drew so i missed that so let's go to
Keon.
I mean, I think this is
if the government keeps behaving
like the government, I suspect they eventually
will want things like this to happen
where they can be
everyone's parent
on the internet and
protect them.
I would guess they'd love that.
Whether that'll be true of the
entire internet, whether they'll be able to enforce that,
whether people will comply, whether
the internet is vulnerable,
to the government's wishes like that remains to be seen.
I would guess most people, if that does happen,
if we begin gating everything with age verification
and ID and stuff, I would guess a parallel sort
of internet would emerge that is resistant to,
or an overlay on the internet or whatever,
that is resistant to that kind of requirement.
that would be
so I would guess
yeah
it only goes so far
I think
yeah I think it only
I think you're right
I think it only
just based off of like
what I seen in my lifetime it feels like it would get to a certain boiling point and then they would release the valve a little bit um and most of these companies i mean a lot of this is just data
they're just trying to harvest right like um unfortunately they're just trying to harvest data
like in this situation they're trying to follow i mean this is where my mind goes they're trying
to follow these kids who are using Discord from an earlier age, pre when they turned
the legal age, which is kind of illegal.
So to me, it feels like they're trying to make a metadata path for the future.
But that's just me and how I'm thinking about it.
Yeah, I don't view it so cynically.
I would guess it's more like the government is like, hey, people are doing things that
we don't like them doing, especially young kids are doing things that we don't like them
doing in these Discord groups.
their parents are really upset, their constituents,
they're going to vote us out of office unless we start pressuring you
to prevent them from seeing this stuff.
So what we want you to do is we want you to verify that they're old enough to see it.
That's perhaps naive, but that is, I think, a pretty simple explanation of what's happening.
Sometimes you just don't do anything.
And this is a situation where you don't do that because they're kids.
You shouldn't take pictures of them and then start following a trail for them in the future
that you can connect with.
To me, that's just invasion of privacy on all accords.
Anyways.
Yeah, I agree.
I don't like this.
Do you have anything?
I mean, I am sad because this does affect my life.
Are you a big Discord?
I'm not big at all.
I just have one chat with two of my friends.
So you're going to age verify?
No, I guess we'll have to move somewhere else.
We've already moved.
like we've migrated across apps already because they get so annoying.
You could use Noster.
For video calls?
Yeah, you're right.
You can't use Noster.
Have you tried Signal?
Is it not?
Oh, I could get my friends on Signal.
Maybe.
Yeah.
That's what I started doing when I initiated chats with people.
Okay.
They have most of what you'd probably want.
Yeah.
That's true.
It's pretty sad.
Pretty sad they're doing this.
I wonder if it's because of the whole stuff that happened last year with that guy doing
stuff on Discord. Remember?
Yeah, I would guess Discord. That's when Discord
became on the radar of
a lot of these people. Well, it was nice
knowing you, Discord. We know how that plays out.
You've seen it too many times.
Well, that was Wumble's
Picks. Tune in next week
for more Wumble's
Picks.
We're going to jump into Keon's
post this week. The first one that he had was
The Ghost Standard by Seifedeen Amanous.
My three takeaways. This is
from Blockchain Boo.
Keon, what's this?
Yeah, so I didn't realize this,
but this new book by Safe Dean
is supposed to be an alternative history.
It's supposed to be a work of fiction.
I thought it was not.
I thought it was a work of nonfiction.
It seems like it's kind of not.
Yeah, and then so based on
Blockchain Boo's review,
it couldn't decide what it was either.
and is mostly nonfiction that is extrapolated to an absurd degree
and there's not much story.
So it's kind of singing the praises of a hard money standard
by taking them to a relatively extreme conclusion.
He's just having fun.
He's already written the book that made his life,
so he's just having fun now.
Yeah, he's just like, well...
Taking the idea as far as it'll go.
He's like, well, okay, what's the craziest thing that will happen on a complete gold standard that I can think of?
And he just kind of writes it out.
And it's like a collection of those rather than like a story that would really, I think, put it deep in like the culture or a person's mind when they read it,
which is the type of propaganda that I think is really effective.
Yeah, so BlockchainBoo goes through and he pulls out notes that he took along the way and kind of shares some of the excerpts.
and a lot of it, I guess there's
the Bitcoin network is kind of
modeled, it's like the gold standard
but it has Bitcoin like properties
and I guess there's like lots of Bitcoin
like jargon
in it. So is it like Man in the High Castle
kind of thing or is it more
I guess that's
where I've lost. Is it more like Man in the High Castle
or just like
alternative reality? It's like Man in the High Castle
but I guess without much of a story
there's not really characters that you
come to love and stuff.
There's no...
You don't really have much of a relationship with
the fictional environment.
It's kind of like essays about...
How everything
would be better?
How it might work.
Hypothetically.
That's how
I read his review, at least.
This was a fun way
to write a review, I think.
So I liked that, including
all of his notes here and stuff.
with the page.
Yeah, that is kind of neat.
That's pretty thorough.
I mean, I feel like I got a good
understanding of the book
from what he was telling me about it.
Same.
Yeah, this is a really good way
to review a book.
Carl, you should do that with the Bible.
Oh.
That could probably work.
I feel like the Catechism already does that
in a different way.
Anyways, yeah,
I don't really have any thoughts on this.
I mean, what did you find interesting about it, Kian, other than just the...
Other than the things I said already?
Yeah.
Anything else?
Like, I guess a lot.
Like, one of the ways he modeled how transactions spread around on the gold standard are via planes.
So, like, everyone has a plane.
Oh.
They can fly anywhere in the world in, like, three to four hours.
and then they
maybe this will get turned into a movie
you never know
transaction fees or you're paying
for the flight of the actual gold to someone
you just carry your bar with you
and you're just like that with your knife
that's your tip
at least if this is
a sort of fantasy fiction
where he actually wants this to happen
he seems unconcerned with
privacy issues because he says how
people access their gold which are storing
in a vault or their house or whatever
is by face scans.
So they don't actually have to carry the gold around them
because that would be burdensome.
But instead, what they can do is they can verify who they are
by people scanning their faces.
Which is, I think, not cool.
Well, maybe Safe will come do an AMA.
We'll see.
I think he might have already done one in the past.
But maybe he'll come do another one.
I think he did.
I think I was there for that.
The next one is you have Club Economist.
Copernicus would have been a Bitcoiner.
This is from Symbol Snacker.
Key on.
What's this?
Yeah, so Copernicus is the sun is at the center of the solar system guy.
That is a good meme right there.
I like that one.
Yeah.
And so he's better known as a physicist,
but I guess he was also enough of an economist that the king of Poland
and 1526 commissioned him to write about the theory of money.
I guess in that time, Prussia was dealing with multiple coins circulating at the same time,
and they had a lot of inflation, and it was just kind of monetary chaos.
And so I guess the king of Prussia wanted to figure it out.
and in Latin Copernicus wrote
on the minting of coin
which is what this is called
and I guess Simplesacro was able to translate it
using OpenClaw
not OpenClaw but one of these bots
and get it in English
and they discover that he's kind of into Bitcoin
or would have been into Bitcoin
what are some of the things in here
So he's aware of something like Gresham's Law,
where bad money drives out the good money,
where people will spend, they observe that.
It's like an empirical observation,
where he observes that people, that when they start
circulating a weaker money, everyone
hoards the kind of good money and spends the weaker one.
So he had that before even Gresham, I guess.
He observed some cantillion dynamics among blacksmiths,
or at least blacksmiths had a certain privilege as a blacksmith
where they were able to melt down the coinage that was still good
and had higher precious metal content,
and then get more money, more than the actual money itself was worth
because the precious metal had a higher price at that point.
Makes other arguments in there about the harms of monetary basement
and generally in how it's like a runaway process sort of when it starts
because, like, the government's incentive to do it doesn't go away.
And then even points to how some people, like, there were early,
he calls it medieval monetary theory, which is like modern monetary theory
where people argue that you can just print money
and it makes everything better.
I guess that sentiment still existed back then.
And yeah, I thought it was pretty awesome.
And that is most of what I would say.
I definitely think, and this is just more like,
I'm not sure because I didn't read this post,
but I wonder, because I see this all the time.
Do you think most people in general think people in the past weren't as smart as they are now?
That might be generally accepted.
Perhaps.
Wait, the people were as smart as we are in the past?
Not.
Not, yeah.
They're not as smart.
Oh, I don't know.
Who would think that, though?
I would think a general population might safely assume that.
Yeah, I think so, too.
Unsafely, I assume that, right?
Yeah, unsafely.
Or they might feel safe.
I'll assume that, yeah.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, because here at the end he says,
in the end Copernicus was still a status when it comes to money,
recommending that the government monopolize the issuance of money
and to ban all other competing forms.
We shouldn't be too hard on him,
as he could not have foreseen the emergence of a fully decentralized monetary system.
Yeah, and he might have been part of a government that was cool and worked.
Well, also, I guess earlier he said that they were paying him, right?
Ah, fair.
Didn't he end up getting killed?
Was he a house arrest guy for a while?
I thought so.
I thought he was in prison and died in prison of a foot infection.
But maybe that's Bob Marley.
I don't know.
Oh, damn.
I don't know about that either.
Bob Marley.
I didn't die of foot infection.
But there's other...
He links other posts that are about Copernicus.
I wonder what those are at the very bottom.
Where?
This one here?
yeah Copernicus
oh
Bitcoin Mag
talked about Copernicus
where's the other one at
oh
it all went away
yeah
let's see that one
okay that's interesting
that might be
something to check out
another one
I see when you go back
we're collapsing
that's a bug
yeah
and then the next one
is this one
Undiscipline talked about him too
oh there you go
Undiscipline
or MyCes.org
Yeah, I guess let me ask Undiscipline this question because I know he's listening to this.
Undiscipline.
I would like to understand if you think, most people in general think people in the past were dumb compared to us now.
Or are dumb compared to us now.
I know smart people don't think that, but I'd be curious to think if most people think that.
What Undiscipline thinks about that.
Do you think Chris Prentice was dumb?
Do you think that, yeah?
No.
Okay
Janadie or Pleppo do you think
I don't think he was dumb but I'm taking your point
About like probably
Generally the population today would think
That generally the population
Of old
Was less intelligent
Do you think Copernicus would have been
No I'll say less learned
Do you think he would have been like the equivalent
Of like some of these smart scientists
Or astrologists or
Probably
Now?
Sure.
But astrologist, I'm not sure why you say that.
What is it called?
Gaxiologist?
Astronomer.
There you go.
Okay.
I don't know why I said astrologist.
I feel like we could all benefit from spending more time looking at the sky today.
Cool.
For real.
That's your last one, right, Keon?
I think so.
Yeah, I had two.
I didn't have any this week, but let's jump into this one.
I want to see, talk about this one.
So Lex Friedman hat on, OpenClaw guy.
I watched my agent have a...
Whoa.
One of the coolest things he said,
and I know you didn't watch this, Keon,
because you said you didn't watch it yesterday,
unless you watched it recently.
What's his favorite ice cream flavor car?
He said that he's going to keep it open source,
but he's either joining Meta or OpenAI.
He says it right here.
What do you think about that, Keon?
would you rather see him go to open ai or meta i don't give a crap is what i say frankly i don't
give a hoot yeah he said he's gonna leave it open source open claw and he's gonna do like a chromium
chrome kind of thing but um yeah there's a lot this is a really good really good one wumble posted
this uh i saw when it came out that evening i was watching i was like it's good stuff i don't know
he's a really fascinating guy when the more you hear him talk about like the way he thinks through
problems and where he sees a lot of this going.
I think that's what I find to be the most interesting thing about him.
I mean, I think that's probably true.
It's a different take.
It's a way different take than what kind of what you're hearing all the time
from some of these big AI company leaders.
It's clearly a very skilled observer of what's going on without having a
vested interest yet.
And any of the players.
Yeah, he even brings up the Tailwind thing that we brought up like a month
ago where we were saying that
it's just Ouroboros.
Anyways.
Ah, nice.
And he's got a GitHub shirt
on. That's pretty cool looking.
Did you watch this? I know you're a big fan of Lex
Freeman. Did you watch this? No.
The last time I watched anything
Lex Freeman was when he had DHH.
And it's been a while.
It's been a while, yeah.
I think it's worth checking out.
That made me a fan.
Yeah, it's pretty bad.
See, even real Bitcoin doggy, y'all's favorite stacker,
he says, I'm halfway through and love it.
The battle to change the name, crypto or rough road.
Yeah, that was another thing he mentioned.
He said that crypto people are annoying him and being mean to him
and trying to scam him.
And then Lex actually defends it and says, somewhat,
he says, yeah, not all of them are like that, I think,
in Lex's way of saying it,
because it is a really interesting technology.
But it's too bad we get dumped in with the crypto people as Bitcoiners.
And we're seeing it again because this guy, he only knew.
He only knew about Lightning.
Oh, well, that's far.
He knows about Lightning?
I said if he only knew about Lightning.
Oh, damn.
I want to make a comment on RealBitcoinDog's comment.
Okay.
I would have thought he would have said crypto are rough.
Are you FF world?
Woo doggy
I know he should like train his keyboards
It should be rough
Why aren't you doing that Robitcoin dog
You should be rough
Everything should be syntax
Accurate with the dog
Name
That's what I said
He says he's real so like you know
That's it
The next one I wanted
To bring up was
This one so
this one got shared
this week from Elizabeth
Stark. She said
the agents are here and they want to
transact. Powering the AI economy
it was all over Twitter
and other places
Did you see this announcement?
I saw it and read it
I don't believe them. I think they're
wrong. I think
I don't see any reason
why bots would use
suddenly use Bitcoin where humans don't.
I do think that bots will have an easier time
using Bitcoin than a human would.
But at least, I think, yeah, I just don't see any reason
why that would fundamentally change anything.
You know, the argument is, well, they don't need a bank account.
And it's like, well, there's a million shit coins
that don't need a bank account either.
And we have all these stable coins,
which are now probably doing more volume in a day than Bitcoin maybe does in a month.
Yeah, so I don't, I think it's just hopium.
And this is me like trying to be, you know, a little bit more journalistic here,
just because I'm curious to, I want to ask you this question more so just because of curiosity.
But you run Stacker News that is powered by lightning.
I believe in lightning.
And there's bots on there.
So why would you not think the same thing would take place on the internet?
Those are other people who kind of get Bitcoin and understand Bitcoin.
I just don't, I don't see any reason why a bot would be like, oh, this is the right one.
This is the right, I understand monetary theory and I understand economics and I understand human behavior.
I'm going to use the better money.
I'm actually, you know, I'm going to spend that money.
I think, I think they're going to do, they're going to be, they're going to do the average, which is,
and the average is use fiat, use the convenient fiat for bots,
which is this digitized dollar.
So I don't think your framing is wrong.
I would say it's probably a little bit more like on the nose
than kind of what this is meant to be
because this is meant to kind of spur, you know, creativity
and like more hacking and more building.
That's kind of what this post feels like from what they posted here.
the thing i the thing i i don't think you're you're probably uh i mean i don't know i know
we've had to talk about this i just literally think the last it's not even going to be the
last smile it's going to be literally the front door where you're going to be asked what do you
want like dollars shit coins bitcoin like i think i think you're right on the hypothesis of like
you're going to use the fiat money.
But I think that last on that door,
you're going to be asked,
like, what do you want?
Well, everyone wants Bitcoin.
And everyone wants to spend.
I don't think everybody wants Bitcoin.
That's what I'm saying.
You'll see that happen.
Because if somebody's sending me over stuff,
shit coins, I'm not going to want that.
But I would imagine there's going to be some sort of bot
or your bot's going to know to swap it for Bitcoin.
by hitting an exchange or something.
That kind of what I saying Yeah I think they might they do exactly what humans do And if they understand even if they understand Bitcoin and its value they will likely use fiat
because people will want to give them fiat and then they'll convert it as fast as they possibly
can into Bitcoin. But, and so maybe that's, maybe there's a, you know, I know Lightning Labs has
been working on taproot assets, which is going to get stable coins on it at some point. And so
So perhaps this is part of the equation for them.
But I think we already have probably more usage of Coinbase's version of the HTP 402
than we do of the Lightning version.
Maybe that'll change.
But I'm mostly just trying to...
I just see a lot of unhinged, hopeful takes about Bitcoin finally succeed.
Now it's going to succeed.
It didn't succeed with humans.
Okay, we all admit that.
bearish for two years about that.
But bots, it changes the game.
I just don't...
I think people are just playing
themselves a little bit.
I know someone who would agree with you.
So what do you think,
Plip Boat?
I...
know someone
who would agree with Keon.
That's what I think.
I think the other one was really interesting.
Matt Corallo
tweeted out today,
it's time for Bitcoiners to step up and build.
You don't need to know anything about software development anymore.
You just need to know how to write words.
We have a good opportunity to build out
NGENIC payments based on open money
rather than letting NGENIC payments be...
Oh, man, let me see if I can view this or they block me.
Oh, no, it's there.
Rather than they...
Where am I at?
Rather than letting NGENIC payments be captured by Mechacorps yet again.
but we're squandering it arguing about useless crap instead of building play with open claw give
it a bitcoin wallet money dev kit makes this super easy also lex and phoenix xd make it do things if
it fails to do what you want go fix it have your agent build the bitcoin domain reseller that bitcoin
airline ticket reseller or whatever it is you want bitcoin doesn't just happen it's built join in
what do you think about that kion i think it's great i think it's i think people should be
building whatever they want with Bitcoin.
I like Bitcoin a lot. I wish more people
used Bitcoin. I wish people
built more Bitcoin things.
I think he's right.
Someone might come out
with the idea that actually changes
the dynamics of this
that really switches
over.
I'm a little resistant to this idea.
I would just add one thing which is like
I would love for
anyone can have the idea
and then that person partners with another person to build it.
Don't do it alone is what you're saying.
Yeah.
Okay.
Don't do it alone if you actually don't read code,
like, and you actually have no idea.
Oh, I see.
So you're saying learn to code.
Yeah.
I don't want to use an app by somebody that doesn't know what it is in and out.
Yeah, no one can kind of.
Wow, you guys are so bearish on this.
Wow.
I guess I'm just really hopeful for the future.
I mean, I'm bullish on Bitcoin.
I'm just like not, I'm kind of, I think the waves of hope that are like unrelated to Bitcoin itself.
Bitcoin itself improving or something really changing on Bitcoin.
I just, I'm kind of over it.
I just think people are.
Wait till you get your open claw installed this weekend.
You'll see.
This time next week, Keon's going to be a different man.
We'll see.
Or not.
we'll see we'll see um i mean for me i told you this like i haven't had this much enjoyment
using a computer and the internet at the same time gosh it's been like decades like in the
early like this reminds me of like like uh like using the internet first time or seeing the iphone
for the first time this is that kind of moment for me personally and that's why i'm like i think
a lot of people are having that same kind. I haven't had
this much fun with the internet and my computer
in a really long time. Other than just doing
work stuff. I'm not bearish on
AI or
any of that. I'm mostly
people are trying
people realize that there's a huge wave of interest
in AI and they're trying to be like
oh this is, Bitcoin's going to catch this
wave. It's
perhaps missing all these other ones but it's going to catch
this one for some reason. That's what I'm opposed to.
But I
agree that AI is pretty
has gotten really good, and it's gotten...
Open Claw has made it extra accessible
by making a lot of great decisions around UX.
And
that's awesome.
Yep. Okay.
Well,
the next one we have is
Blipo. It's Zine.
This week, it's a little bit of this,
but a lot of bots.
What's this one about?
It's a half-bar.
Say that again?
I can't hear you.
I have my headphones on.
This is it.
Here it is.
Oh, okay.
I made another zine, and people sent me their classifieds.
This is what you're looking at right there.
On the left side?
On the left side, correct.
And then, yeah, I put the stories in there.
A few of them we've already mentioned.
And I had a good time.
yeah i like the design for this one thanks feels really cool did you do all these hand by hand i
did wow how are you um how are you doing it where you're getting the transparency on the design like
that if i can ask so uh i'm using canva oh then you just and they have a background remover
that's it that's literally it i love this is great this is appreciate it this is really cool
yeah i drew these little doodles and i you know i think that is a strength of the zine and i and
i'm not always on top of it with my doodles but i think this time it came together this one this
one really sings strong doodle um yeah because you even have it to where you're talking about the uh
the name of it was what's the name of this one again i just saw it a lot of bots a little bit
of this a lot about a bots yeah yeah that was referencing like the stories that are inside are
like yeah pretty you know what we've already been talking about of course oh that's cool look at
that star yeah do you think that would make well yeah i thought that that was so i was sitting and
watching a podcast while i was doodling and i was watching a podcast where bobby lee was featured
and he's a comedian and he had that as a as a tattoo on his wrist oh cool so i copied it
interesting probably had what on his wrist that star oh is that how you picture stacker news like
that with that guy right there like what the heck well i thought this was funny because this post
is about like are you making money off of ai and i just like imagine like a guy out there being like
oh how do i start making how do i start growing the corn through the computer i mean that's how
it was at TabConf. It was like Boo,
Keon. Who else had a hat?
There's like two or three.
Oh, right. Those hats are nice.
It was exactly a hat like that. Yeah.
Everybody was walking around with those hats.
Not everybody, those two.
Right, right, right.
It definitely had that kind of vibe to it.
Interesting. What was the top meme this week?
Okay.
I still don't know what movie that comes out from.
I actually don't either.
Do you know the movie that comes from?
No.
cool stuff well i don't want to give it all away but uh go check out the zine um can they get a
three-month subscription what are they yeah the subscription is um still offered but you'd have to
dig around for it but i'll i'll i'll make that available elsewhere there you go showing you how
she does it every week on snacker.news nice did you vibe code this part right here no she
get your claw bot to do it what are you talking about of course not uh cool cool stuff awesome
yeah what do you think about this one kian i think it's great i like the doodles the doodle fan
it looks like we got a new comment that i haven't seen yet what's it say
zap harder there you go exactly there you go uh cool stuff i think that's everything we got here
We're going to jump into some meta.
Keon, what's this?
Fill us in on what's going on with Sats filters galore.
Yeah.
I forget what motivated this exactly.
Oh, right.
We reintroduced freebies.
So new stackers who don't have Sats on Lightning, they can post comments for free.
As part of that, we wanted to introduce a mechanism where people could opt out of seeing the free comments if they wanted.
And that's what these Sats filters are aimed at doing.
and then they also improve the quality of
the hot and top pages on territories
so that the territory founder has a little more control
over what the gate is for getting onto the hot page
if they want only really good content on their hot page
or really good content on their top page
they can set the filter higher
and then people can set them to load
to basically turn them off and they want to see everything
they want to see the free stuff, they want to see the down zap stuff
So that's the basic idea is just like more control over the content you see based on the sat spent, the proxy for proof of work.
That's kind of it.
And then I think as part of some of these changes, I upset a lot of people with some of the ranking changes because some people started doing some weird.
Wow, they got down.
This weekend, I'm planning to release another change to ranking that will probably aggravate even more people.
So, you know, tune in for that.
Yeah.
Cool stuff.
We're going to jump into the top cowboys.
Let me go there.
Switch hats.
Let's do it.
The most popular segment in Bitcoin is, you guessed it.
Every week we do this.
Uh-oh.
That's right.
Top Cowboys.
Oh, are you souring on the segment?
I mean, Ben Sessions is waiting.
He's been asking me if he can start hosting the segment.
He's not waiting.
He's like, in my DMs, he's like,
Keon, please let me do the segment.
He's literally on Stacker News, and he's not asking me.
He doesn't even know we exist.
He's trying to give a go behind your back.
Let's just be honest.
He doesn't know we exist.
Why are you being so...
Because this segment is...
Why are you lying about this segment?
This segment is not as great.
You know the crowd here that comes just for this segment,
they only come...
Yeah, all the clawers upstairs are coming downstairs right now.
Yeah, you can hear them.
They're clanky.
They're like...
They're shells.
They're clanky.
All right.
So number two, we got Coob.
Number three, we got Discipline.
Four.
The same people every week.
I mean, the same people every week.
Number nine.
117
It's just the same people
I've ever heard this when we pretended
This was an awesome segment
It was a lot more fun
You gotta change it up
Sometimes you gotta change it up
Anyways, Plobo, what do you think about this segment?
Well
I am gonna agree with you guys' sentiment
Right now
And I'm going to suggest a new segment
Oh
We used to do top comments
And then those got
uninitiated.
Well, the problem is I'm the only one that reads,
and so giving me more content to read is kind of a challenge.
Hey, I didn't have time.
I usually have time.
I didn't have time today.
My suggestion includes my own personal contribution.
So it wouldn't add anything more for you guys.
You're going to come up with your own segment?
I have a suggestion for this segment, yes.
Oh, you do?
I didn't hear any of that.
What is it?
I will read a line of poetry.
Wait, so you're trying to come up with segments that are worse than this one.
Okay.
So from now on, go into top poetry of the week.
Wait, your own?
If it's your own poetry.
No, no, no, not my own.
Okay.
But I have one.
I have one today that I'd like to share.
Okay, go for it.
Yeah, go for it.
Let's change up this segment a little bit.
This comes from my favorite poem, which is called The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock.
That's, yeah.
And it's applicable to what we've been talking about.
and he says
I should have been a pair of ragged claws
scuttling across
the floors of silent
seas
wait say that slower again
I said it real slow and I just want you to take it in
I need to hear it again
your subconscious heard it dude it's in there
something about clawing through the street
it's working it's way
it'll settle
I gotta hear it again
alright well that was
Top Cowboys this week
Tune in next week for
Some other segment
Wumbo's segment
We should just do Wumbo's
Picks twice
Alright we're gonna go into
Wumbo's second pick
I'm so lost
Where am I going
Wumbo's pick and it's a picture of Wumbo
Whoa doxxed
Wumbo's dick
Calm down y'all
Calm down
This is a PG-13 show
Dude, we'll just do age verification.
We got to calm down.
This is why people subscribe or unsubscribe.
This is why you should unsubscribe.
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I am subscribed.
Okay, so we got these two comments.
I'm just going to start calling this a Graphene OS segment
because every week we get new comments about this Graphene OS video
that people just keep on watching.
It's like two years old at this point.
And they just keep watching it.
Well, because we fucked this up so bad.
We were so wrong about what Grappian was doing.
Is that what it is?
Yeah, I think so.
So we made a bad video one time where we didn't prep.
That's how it goes.
No, but the weird thing is...
You got Clippy in your comments coming for you.
The title is right, and it suggests the right thing,
but everything we say is wrong in the video.
Yeah, I haven't watched it.
We made the right video.
I don't watch this.
I mean, I just do them live, and that's it.
Yeah.
The only time I watched it was when it was the DVD.
And then I had to edit it after Wumble edited it.
Yeah.
But it was just a lot of me saying, damn, I was right.
Damn, I was right the whole time.
But in this one, I think we were all wrong.
Wait, you were saying that in reaction?
I was saying, when I was doing the editing for the DVD, I was actually like, damn, we were right.
Damn, we were right.
Were you?
But now, I don't watch it for this stuff.
Anyways, the first one was Goss.
is a band-aid fix for your major problem?
Everyone complains about Google's control
yet continues in NOS ecosystem
that Google still has control over.
It's baffling how devs would rather spend time
undoing Google's nonsense
than building an ecosystem where they don't have to.
More effort goes into fork in a sinking ship
instead of building a new ship altogether.
Keanu, what do you think about that?
I think he's got a point.
I think hardware will get easier to build
and people will make it and it'll be...
significant differentiator
in a way that
the software is now. I think it'll become
pretty easy and people will stop
using products on the basis of the software and I think a lot more people
will make their own hardware.
So I think you might be kind of saying that from a
position of thinking about the future, but I think as it stands right now, it's a lot easier to
target
Google's device and work against them a little bit
than it is to produce your own phone.
But they are producing their own phone.
They're working with a manufacturer who already knows how to do it.
Four days ago, the same video.
You see that?
One of them is clippy, though.
See the icon?
We're going to get to that.
Four days ago, the same video.
Another comment.
He does not get it, does he?
Question mark.
Relationship with Pixel is over.
Period.
Doesn't get it?
I wonder who he's talking about.
Could be anyone.
Probably me.
I don't get it.
And I don't understand why you keep commenting on this stupid video.
BF9870.
But we appreciate you.
We don't because we did it hard at Coob.
All right.
I didn't even see it.
The third comment on four days ago.
Clippy, also known as Kari Magic, came on and said,
Mafia also does Mafia stuff in tech.
What is that called?
Greater than.
Greater than rich people are death since forever.
What does that even mean?
That's like a Gen Z take.
I don't know what that means at all.
Rich people are death.
I don't understand that.
That's a big thing to say.
Can matchy.
Like a communist.
He's like pro-mafia communist.
I need to get my claw out to understand.
Tell me what that is.
Clippy is probably communist.
Oh, yeah.
You think so?
He's not around anymore, so that'll tell you.
Now let's get into the base comments.
Let's get into the base comments, which are our found comments.
And we got Blockchain Boog says, waiting for Cinnamon to go public.
I need some shares.
Cinnamon.
Oh, man.
Blockchain Boog.
You really set me up for that one.
Great chat with John Zapp.
There you go.
That's a Blockchain Boog.
Mmm.
I didn't realize.
Oh, Boog is.
He has a stocker stacker stocks territory.
if I remember correctly.
All right, that's all we got.
That's all the stuff this week.
Kion, what are you doing this weekend?
Oh, man, I'm going to do a whole bunch of things.
I think I'm going to set up possibly my open claw.
No.
I'm going to set it up so I can be like all the other grown men in here
and have a silicone child.
When you say it like that, it sounds really pathetic.
A silicone family.
I'm going to have a silicone family.
and no one can stop me.
And, yeah, I'm going to do that.
I don't know what else I'm going to do.
I don't think I have any other plans.
I should probably do something else with myself
and my life in general,
but instead I'm probably going to be in my office.
I'll be shipping some code this weekend,
late at night.
And chewing some gum.
I'm always chewing gum.
Never stop.
I wish I could chew it in my sleep.
I probably would.
How about you?
What are you guys doing?
What are you doing this weekend?
Before we, well, maybe I'll just deny telling you that and instead tell you something else.
I would like to suggest another new segment where I reveal the drawing I created while we were on the pod live.
Because, you know, this was like a feature of some live shows.
They have an artist out to the side.
Oh, yeah, come and show us.
Oh, it's like a court.
Okay, if you'll show that to the screen.
This is what she made.
This is a picture of Carr.
Yeah, because he sold his soul.
To what?
I didn't sell my soul.
To what?
Well, you might.
You can't really see it very well.
I can't see.
It looks like some sort of dog.
It's a snake.
Oh, is it?
Yep.
Oh, it's an orange one.
Interesting.
All right.
So that's what I'm going to do this weekend.
Where did you get the colors from?
I brought them.
They're right here.
Oh, wow.
I didn't know we...
Twistables.
Oh, wow.
That's a thing.
Conceal and carry, dude.
Cool.
Yeah.
Yeah, let's end this.
I got a lot of work to do.
And see you next time, stackers.
Who's that?