live from plan lab in austin texas this is stacker news live
hello ladies and welcome back to another exciting episode of stacker news live my name is carl with
maybe i've had kia happy stacker ween kia stacker ween yeah yeah that's the name of this episode
is it really that's a good name yeah i was gonna call it boo it's like a good bad name but uh
changed at the last minute so uh it looks like you're a uh yeah what are you what are you this
week what do you think i am do you want me to take a guess i already know what you are let's
let's let the stackers sleep give them a second to guess uh yeah i'm a i'm a cockroach
you're a cockroach i'm the costume name is called cuddly cockroach i was hoping for like a grosser
cockroach costume but i couldn't find it in time so this one is like a cute it's supposed to be
like this so people can see what you look like oh there you go with my brown yeah
my whole brown body i have like these little legs here it's amazing they're not you know they're all
but it's all still kind of too cute is it is it kind of what people say they're like you know
you're a cockroach your cockroach that doesn't die you know people say that about people say
that about bitcoin companies i didn't really mean anything by being a cockroach okay i just thought
it would be i was just like looking for i wanted to be a an insect this year and i was trying to
figure out which one to be and i saw a cockroach and i thought that'd be fun because they're like
kind of gross yeah for sure and it's kind of fun i think it's a really cool costume i think this
might be your best one yet yeah i think i had all the one better than the tinky winky one that you
had a few years ago i like the pilgrim quite a bit it was pretty comfortable and it was pretty
it was also like sort of subdued oh the pilgrim one oh yeah i remember that one
i like the pilgrim one but uh yeah this is what i'm i'm trying out is being a
cockroach i was thinking about getting like a sombrero and some uh macarinas
yeah being a la cucaracha la cucaracha la cucaracha la cucaracha something something
something something yeah that's good yeah i'm one of the uh i'm one of the the ramones okay which
one i was supposed to be a 70s disco guy but my bell bottoms didn't come in and my gold chain
didn't come in so i had a pivot but i was going to be a 70s guy so the ramones guy he wears a wig
like that and a leather jacket yeah somebody said i look like uh ron jeremy though but oh i don't
know it's not somebody in the lab said that earlier wand jeremy yeah somebody said wand jeremy
i was like oh that's kind of rude but i'll take it but uh anyway if you've never seen this crazy
show before it's called uh stacker news live we cover the top five whoa no not anymore we're
changing it up because uh darth coin said our show sucks so we're covering the top five top three
stories now every week we're shrinking it down what do you think about it what do you think
about the changes keon um i'm interested i like change i like trying things out we'll see how it
goes top three stories now stackers you got to be better than where you were no more five stories
we're down to top three top three stories every week uh front page of bitcoin and uh yeah we're
gonna cover them uh if you've never seen this podcast check it out it's on youtube mobile makes
a bunch of clips uh the peter teal one's kind of taken off a lot of people are hating that one
oh yeah we'll talk about it later and then the graphing one's really taken off
i met with mumble this week so we're going to try some interesting stuff um and uh
i've been posting some some stuff on here uh for the for the for the love of the game is uh
is uh it might be a sticker coming to a club lab near you oh yeah look at that doesn't that look
cool that is cool dude for the love of the game man look at that i really want that on my laptop
maybe next year you should be that you should be the dog yeah i can be the star wars dog
i think you just wear you just wear a shirt that says for the love of the game
yeah i have no i still have no idea why the dog is why the dog in star wars is wearing disneyland
like that's where i don't get about this whole stupid thing doesn't like it doesn't make any
sense like the whole thing doesn't make any sense disney owns star wars now don't they oh is that
what it's trying to do but like is this ai generated or no i think this is probably so
this is a dog in disneyland right now that you can go see that's where a get up yeah a man dressed
in a dog costume that's funny anyway for the love of the game check it out maybe a sticker we'll
printouts here soon once pleb poet gets the pleb print shop set up um kian other than that how was
your week did you have a good week i had a pretty good week i think i what happened i don't think
anything really happened just normal stuff happened uh it was someone we know it was their
birthday i don't know if that's like public i don't think they shared i don't think it's public
yeah but they had a birthday and so a lot of people went to that i went to that birthday
again i'm i'm doing a birthday tour car anyone maybe we both are doing a birthday tour anyone
has a birthday i mean you didn't go to jana's birthday as we discussed in that podcast i did
i did go to that birthday you walked by dude i was in that birthday i was in that birthday
i went to all i've been going to all the birthdays this month so uh yeah i've been all the birthdays
this month all right yeah anyway i went to the i went out again this is my i broke my streak of not
never going out i went out i've gone out twice this month so far and yeah we'll see where
where time takes me i feel like october has just been like a crazy month of parties i don't know
it's weird october's weird man i feel like every week i've been doing things every
it's wild bro party i don't there's not really the parties aren't that hard though
i don't know i haven't been to a party in a long i haven't really partied really ever but
i remember when i was a kid i don't know i feel like we i feel like the parties are not
these are like adult parties where people are like talking and not like hitting each other and stuff
that's my oh what are you saying like you want to get hit or something i don't know of course not
but i'm saying i mean you are a cockroach you might get stepped on i don't know is it a part
is it a party or is it just old people drinking together is kind of uh no it's just kind of like
a shinding you know it's just like a laid-back get together yeah i guess it's just like uh it's
just like a friend's party dude that's how i look at him like like i don't know maybe just because
i'm from austin and it's always been like this i see you guys have chill parties yeah and then
like dude november december is gonna come there's gonna be even more in like engagements and stuff
and parties it's just a it's just a chance to hang out with friends and family and like no that's all
chill yeah like it's not supposed to be about business when you do it when you go to these
things that's why it's always kind of weird for me whenever i'm like at these like friends stuff
or like these like you know these new year's eve or these thanksgiving or like these christmas
things and then people are like can we talk business i'm like no it's like this is not the
time to do that like i just want to hang out with my friends and like be free to like you know let's
talk about life like i don't know that's how i feel about it but i'm probably the minority in that
no i think that's that's i hear that criticism a lot that like people hate being asked what they
do at parties and stuff no i don't mind that i just hate like when people are like hey can i so
like can we talk business about like and i'm like strategy and i'm like no i'm like i mean we can we
could set something up like when we're not at this you know what i mean i don't want to do that like
at like a friend's birthday party does that make sense that does make sense i think yeah i don't
think many people would disagree with you yeah or like at a christmas party or something or like a
you know i don't know maybe i'm the minority in that but if you're like at a that's why i don't
go to those conference parties because they're kind of like lame they're just like they're just
there to do like business and stuff like you know i don't know i didn't really talk about business
at all when i went tab comp after party at that that's why i didn't go to any of those after
parties because we went to that one we played mini golf i mean mini golf with a yeah with a cool guy
who was like a chief investment officer at a bank or something i feel like that's what we didn't talk
about that we just played mini golf i feel like that's what the conference is for like you want
to talk about that stuff that's what the conference during the day is for but i think if you went to
these events and you're just like no i want to know about your life how is your how are your
children doing or something i don't know what you'd ask i think part of the problem is like
that's small talk what you're what you're like rejecting is like small talk and small talk has
a role yeah but like i i feel like and i feel like we're going this is where the stackers are
getting mad they're like oh they're too negative they're talking too negative no i'm just i'm not
talking too negative i'm trying to bring car up i'm trying to no i am up i'm just saying that like
i'm a cockroach i feel like i feel like conferences like they should be used for that what you're
talking about all the networking stuff during the time of the conference but like um but like when
you're having like friends parties or like you know like things that aren't work related you know
those should just be for the first friendships and stuff.
Does that make sense or is that dumb?
No,
we've already established it.
Okay.
That's all I'm trying to get across.
Makes sense.
I just think in practice,
it's hard.
Stay in your lane,
Coop.
Stay in your cockroach lane.
I know.
Well,
my lane is kind of small.
I feel confined to it.
Stay in your little cockroach lane.
I don't even know if we have lanes.
We just kind of.
What do you think they're going to do with these,
with these screenshots are taken right now?
Should we give them a good screenshot?
Hang on.
Let me,
let me see if I can switch this.
All right.
Take your screenshots now.
All right.
Let me do some poses.
Maybe we should do some poses.
Do one of these.
Do one of those.
All right.
There you go.
You get all your screenshots.
I don't do poses.
I'm not a model.
All right.
Anyway, let's jump into it.
Number three tap story is review of Jimmy Song versus Peter Todd filters debate.
Plan B, Lugiano.
This is from Simple Stacker.
He's an OG snacker.
He's been around for a long time.
October 30th, Bitcoin territory.
58 comments, 4,152 sats.
Key on.
What is this, Mr. Cockroach?
Thank you, Juan Jeremy.
It's like a weird, it's like an invisible compliment.
I don't know.
It's not, that is not a compliment.
Oh, not for somebody like me who's religious.
that is not a compliment i don't know no but it's saying you have you're endowed by your creator
with no i don't think i don't think that's a large unit you know what i mean yeah it's not a compliment
all right keep going um it's about jimmy song peter todd let's talk about this uh yeah so uh
it sounds like the opera turn debate and the filters related filters debate the knots versus
core debate followed all the bitcoiners all the way to switzerland to logano yeah that was a big
conference dude was it yeah i read somewhere they said it was like the first year was a thousand
second year was like two thousand and then this year was like four thousand i kind of regret not
going but we had so much stuff going on in austin i don't regret not going i i think next year i'm
for sure kind of i want to go to that is it about bitcoin or do they do no it feels like it's bigger
than the crypto conference over here it felt bigger no but it's more important does the
conference have to do with bitcoin or is it yeah it's like it's something else yeah it's big
okay anyways all right um yeah so apparently the opera turn debate followed
uh well-known bitcoiners jimmy song and peter todd all the way to logano and they debated it
on stage there and there's a recording simple stacker uh watched the recording and reported
back their thoughts on it and tried to summarize the positions most of us i think of anyone who
watches the show is familiar with Jimmy Song's position, which is that filters do work and that
we should probably keep them and that it disincentivizes, at the very least, non-monetary
Bitcoin transactions. And that's good. And the consequences of removing them are greater than
keeping them in, even though I think Jimmy would admit that there are some consequences to keeping
them um i think i think it's the sound for mine sorry i realized i was unmuted or muted you were
muted the whole time yeah it's okay it doesn't matter how was it oh you did okay cool keep going
okay well uh so that's jimmy song's position and peter todd's position and peter peter todd
uh maintains the library relay implementation of bitcoin oh play poets here which has very the camera
which, as its name suggests, has a very loose relay policy,
a very liberal relay policy,
and basically allows most consensus-valid transactions
to pass along to minors.
So you can understand Peter Todd's position.
He's anti-filter.
Jimmy Song is pro-filter, and they debated it a bit,
and rehashed arguments that most of us have already read and seen online.
And then, yeah, I think the more interesting thing is
SimpleStackers take away from this.
Because SimpleStacker has been kind of, I think,
watching this unfold a little bit from Stacker News.
And he said that he thinks both of them have a point.
He agrees with Jimmy that filters do work.
But he also agrees with Peter Todd that in some sense it's futile and there are consequences to having the filters that Core removed.
He also, yeah, so he's not representative of what, he's not, because most of what you see on social media, primarily X, is an extreme take from one side to the other.
Because that's what services in the algorithm and draws up controversy and gets lots of sharing and stuff.
And instead, I would guess most Bitcoiners probably fall where SimpleStacker does, where he sees the technical merits of either side and then otherwise the merits of either side.
And it's complicated.
And I think Jimmy Song, I would say, is not even on the extreme side of the debate.
He's more or less just like, let's just keep the offer turn limits where they are.
um let's not mess with let's not fix what isn't broken really um and people should be allowed to
configure this yeah how they want and that's cool what do you think blind guest how do you feel in
that cockroach outfit i feel pretty good it's actually pretty comfy it's like my normal hoodie
actually sometimes i forget i'm wearing it are you gonna wear it just every day you think
I might I might I'm considering it right now as we're speaking yeah yeah um I'll just say that
um Peter Todd was in the comments oh is he really uh where is he at where is he at
he replied to being unprepared oh no actually he said not actually that was a result of a lot of
prep the thing to remember here is I was scheduled to go second um
okay there you go well he has a is a good defense of his approach yeah it sounded like
it's not i haven't watched a video for the stackers i hope i plan to watch it this weekend
i've just been um working on some other stuff teasing your hair yeah dude i was gonna ask you
is when you have hair is it do you become self-conscious or something i feel like my hair
my hair is always up i never wear it down but you're probably asking weird yeah i was asking
jenna yeah hair makes you self-conscious yeah i feel like it's like a thing does it feel bad
it feels weird like one out of ten rate your wig experience i don't like it i don't like heavy long
hair anyways uh not itchy it just feels like uh i feel like a prima donna oh but that's cool that's
what you want the point is you want to occupy your costume you want to be the person this is like i
I don't know who this person is.
Anyways, we're back on the story, but I haven't watched it,
so I don't really have any comments on this.
I came unprepared just like Peter Todd.
But Peter Todd was prepared, Carr.
Well, I was prepared, too.
I just came unprepared.
That's my excuse.
Jana, what about you?
Are you prepared or unprepared like Peter Todd?
Or I mean prepared.
I probably pull up more unprepared than prepared,
but it depends on what it is.
like if i'm pulling up to the dmv i'm prepared there you go okay how do you prepare to the dmv
gotta get all your desperate pieces of paper together papers yeah do you wear your glasses
i think it's yeah i think it's one of those things where like he was prepared because he showed up
all right he knew it was at the right time and stuff but he just wasn't prepared right like it's
kind of like me like i'm here i'm ready but i'm not really prepared because i didn't read through
it right or watch it so it's like i am prepared but i'm not prepared maybe that's something else
too but yeah i think we call that not prepared no but i am prepared i am here i'm present
i have everything set up my hair's almost there right yeah but but i didn't read through everything
so i'm some would say you're you are prepared but you're not prepared and then and jimmy's probably
saying this is just me not watching the video but i would imagine jimmy's saying like you're not
prepared though.
But that's not even really what the
post was about.
But it is what he knows about.
Which is himself.
He's prepared to talk about
Peter Todd not being prepared.
Are you guys having fun yet?
I'm trying.
Is it still a light show for you?
Anyways. Yeah, check it out.
I mean, looks good.
looks like a fun thing i mean yeah any other comments on this cockroach key oh really i'm
really tired of this debate why whoa hey hey hey we need to we need to keep the show light man
we're losing people here because they're like you guys are too negative we're too negative
let them go let them go whoa whoa whoa that's actually good advice and that's kind of not
good way of representing what was said so the point of the podcast is for you and i to record
it without any concern about wow coming hard right at you darth right at you because this
talk road here is coming right at you hard i'm only concerned to the extent that i want to be
concerned and beyond that it's up to you know two fingers up it's on the viewers thumbs up
even like even a simple stacker says in this post it was simple stacker i can't see yeah it's
um even he said that like they're kind of saying the same things that we've heard and it's kind of
tiring at this point so kian's point is fair and valid stamp it i'm valid i've been stamped i think
at this point i mean there's i don't know if the is the next post about this too no it's not it
might be but you're kind of seeing already kind of this like this is just me knowing kind of what's
going on behind the scenes so i'm sharing a little extra but you're already kind of seeing um and i'm
not saying this is what's going on here with this particular post but you're already kind of seeing
the the people in power and influence in the bitcoin space they're already moving their chess
pieces uh in place for a uh for uh for a uh what's the right word choose your words carefully car
they're they're putting their chess pieces in place for um for something that will that will uh
give people an alternative for what being offered right now to the ecosystem So there that And so stay tuned
Is that revealing?
Stay tuned, stackers.
You're going to have options very soon.
And with options come opportunity.
So I don't know what that meant.
And I'm here.
I'm like in this room and I'm kind of confused by what you said.
Yeah, I got really lost.
Okay, well.
are you saying there's going to be a hard fork or a fork of any kind and there's going to be
i just think i just think you're going to start i think i think what you're seeing already right
now is more and more of these people that didn't have opinion three or four months ago now start
having an opinion and they're gonna be much more louder um and they're gonna start uh putting their
uh let's choose your words carefully where you lost this last they're gonna start yeah
maybe we just i can't be blunt anymore i gotta i gotta be very tactile next story all right we
can just do that let's do that cool wait thanks for saving me um the next top story is turn any
3d printer into the ultimate orange pulling machine this is from jason b 10 hours ago
bitcoin territory only four comments though 11 400k sats so he made out like a bandit
key on what is this crap yeah it's not crap it says crap right there oh it does say right here
says all this crap you can go to the freaking tutorial which is at the bottom but he's explaining
his like the tutorial what led up to the tutorial it's at the very bottom but uh jason b continues
to volunteer in bitcoin akasi in south africa and there at south africa i guess he has turned sort of
to their IT person a little bit
and is helping them
because it seems like he has a diverse set of skills
and he's helped them dust off their 3D printer
and is training them on how to use the 3D printer
that they had sitting around.
Oh, cool.
And he has...
Well, why did he call that crap then?
I think he was just being self-deprecating.
Don't be self-deprecating.
This is what humility looks like.
I know it's pretty unfamiliar to a lot of people in Bitcoin,
but this is...
Don't be self-deprecating.
this is what humility gotta puff out your chest in bitcoin yeah that's that's what that's what
makes it hard to understand self-deprecating humility um oh that's cool so it pretty he
prints out the is that a uh a lightning address um i think it could be it also could be a bip 21
uh on chain address i haven't scanned it yet but how about i scan it right now scan it scan it
Let's see.
Anyway, so Jason B is fond of orange billing servers
and I guess various retail employees
by tipping Bitcoin to them.
Oh, interesting.
It's a lightning address.
Here, try this one.
What about this one?
What is this one right here?
So Jason B is fond of tipping people in Bitcoin as a way of orange pilling them.
He says his success rate even in Ohio is 10% orange pilling via tipping.
But he said in South Africa, in Bitcoin, a costly adjacent area, he said it's 50%.
And he is trying to improve that.
And the way he is going to improve that, I guess, is by giving these basically keychains or these 3D printed pack.
What would you call it?
I don't know what you call it.
The 3D printed items to people that have these QRs on them and they can use that to receive tips or payments.
He said even when he goes to pay in a lot of the stores that support paying with Bitcoin there, it's usually tied to a wallet that the employee working at the store does not have access to.
And so if the owner isn't there, they can't really pay in Bitcoin.
I love this, man.
This is fantastic.
I love it.
He gives a walkthrough if you have a 3D printer of any kind, more or less you can.
Keep it going.
Keep it going, Jason B.
This is how you do it, man.
Don't let Tether come in there
And just drop a fiat
Do it your way
Do it with lightning
Do it with Bitcoin
Make it happen for your own community
That's what I say
Love to see this
Let me know if
Carr can help
Love to see this
This is amazing dude
This is what I'm telling you man
Bottom up
Alright
Yeah
Don't wait for him
Just do it
Popo you got anything for this?
Can you even see what we're talking about?
Well, I actually put the story in the zine,
so I've had my eyeballs all over it.
Did you make the zine wearing those glasses now?
No.
She's basically saying she's already read this.
But I do love the idea,
and I love the 3D printed and the utility behind it.
But it's also...
I don't know what the lithograph is necessarily,
but just for fun.
But it looks cool.
um it's really cool and yeah i want to hear more about it it's awesome
yeah he should if he has access to like a video camera i would love to see him do like a
do a vlog yeah do like a vlog
awesome stuff the next or the number one top story of the week is there is no
need for bit 444 key on this is from the r
october 29th bitcoin territory 19 commas 330 80 88 sets
what is this um yeah this is uh this continues to be about the kind of like op return core versus
knots thing and filters it has escalated to the point where the knots some people on the
outside, I think with Luke Dash Jr.'s approval, have proposed a BIP, a soft fork for restricting
arbitrary data usage, or in some cases, data usage more generally from being included in
blocks.
So changing Bitcoin's consensus rules to do what filters, some would argue, don't do very
well.
And, yeah, and that this is continues to be an escalation of that.
And there's been a lot of discussion about this this week on a lot of it took place on GitHub, some of it on the mailing list.
Yeah, it's most people, most people would agree.
I think even, you know, there's a I think even the majority of the filter supporters would probably not support a fork like this, especially the way it's currently proposed.
There's no there's also no implementation yet.
It is just kind of discussion.
Um, but in, in general, it's, it's attempting, it makes the BIP makes a bunch of claims about
the legality of arbitrary data storage and what will happen to node runners.
And what, uh, Antoine Rillard here is doing is contesting that there is any, any basis
for making those, those legal arguments, those claims in the, in the BIP and, um, and that
we don't need to defend against illegality that doesn't really seem to have laws making
it illegal yet. Most of the argument here is that most of the laws written about data
illegality, especially in decentralized systems, usually the liability falls on the person
who added the data and not the person who is distributed unknowingly and unwillingly
or without the ability to stop it.
And yeah, that's kind of what he's saying here.
It's like node operators will not be held liable for this.
There's no basis to believe they will.
It's all just kind of fear-mongering.
Yep.
Pepo, you got anything on this?
There was a sentence here. I want to read it. So it's from the fourth paragraph down.
Okay.
Moreover, this line of jurisprudence underlights that any interference with one's fundamental right of expression should be laid down under clear and precise rules governing the scope of the interference.
and I just wanted to go over
and look at what under light
could mean because that was new for me to see
and under light primarily refers to
illumination from underneath
a technique used in artistic context
so I feel that was the wrong word to use there
but I'm not going to be worried about it
they're a little more artistic
than we are
okay well this continent so like was are you saying like a translation thing i think it's
probably like yeah i think he's he speaks good english but he's you know he speaks it with a
pretty heavy french accent i would get you know well it made me curious because it sounded like
a cool word and it's like if that's a cool word i think we could probably make it a thing if we
really want to but probably the word should have been highlight you probably need some underlight
to see things with those uh you're so right um yeah i don't really got any i don't really got any
thoughts on this? I feel like
it's still
all being kind of
talked about in the space.
Has anybody
brought up the whole
thing that the... Yeah, Chespi's
still moving. Has anybody talked about Battleships
still coordinating? Has anybody
talked about the thing that Dong
has created? Remember...
Dong? Yeah.
As in Juan...
What is your name? Juan Jeremy's
dong oh no uh the the thing that he really i posted on stacker news like the person that he
looks like uh let me see here we go uh is this carl dong yeah yeah there was a thing that he
posted or that i posted um this week where's my post yet i just lost my spot let me go back here
Don Juan.
Must fill the space.
Where is it at?
It's right here.
This one, this project, Kian.
So the consensus engine.
So what is the process with this?
Because I know this is supposed to be the,
this is supposed to be like the kernel
that is going to now allow people
to create their own implementation for each node.
So where's this? I know there's a grant out there for somebody who's creating this. What's the update on this? Do you know?
Yeah. So Carl Dong was the one I think who initiated this work.
But the whole idea is you take out all of Bitcoin Core's consensus code and you turn it into a library that anyone can use to add other things that aren't consensus related to a Bitcoin node implementation.
And the reason why you want to do this is oftentimes the consensus code of a Bitcoin implementation is itself sort of a specification for a consensus.
Like it can have bugs in it or peculiarities that aren't obvious and do not port to other implementations.
And so we kind of want to share this important part of the code that itself is sort of a specification for consensus and allow it to be reused so that people can add new relay policies and things to Bitcoin Core on top of Bitcoin Core's consensus.
Other P2P technologies, other user interfaces, things like that.
So that's the motivation for doing something like this is to pull out the part that we all need to share so that people for the parts that we don't need to share, it can be arbitrary and you can do whatever.
You can have a pink GUI in your, you can release a Bitcoin core or a Bitcoin implementation that has a pink GUI and only does P2P using emojis or whatever.
I don't know.
But it can be arbitrary.
But I think the way it was explained to me is like this is something that we could all agree on because it doesn't require so many, what's the right word?
there's not so many outside considerations right there's there's like these main things that
bitcoiners all agree on as far as like you know 21 million and that sort of thing yep those are
all the in the consensus engine are all the consensus rules all the things that are that
make bitcoin bitcoin so it would be kind of like the linux kernel right the equivalent yes so that's
I think why they called it kernel, but kernel basically means core important, you know, very
important. So how close are we to that? Keon, like how far, I mean, how, I mean, when I say close,
I mean, how close are we as far as moving the conversation towards that? So then we can finally
get to a place of like, Hey, can we get, um, I think there is somebody working on it. I don't
know who it is now, but, uh, moving to a place of this. So that way we then can move to a place of,
kind of like how Linux did it,
where they were able to have
like different variants of it at that point.
Because I think the world has,
and Jimmy talked about this
at Bitcoin Builders Club about two months ago,
where the world has changed.
There's so many different market forces now
around Bitcoin
because it's over a trillion dollar market.
So at least I agree with him on that.
How close are we to moving that conversation
in that direction, do you think?
Well, people have been talking about this
for a long time,
as we can see from this Carl Dong video.
I think this was like 2018 or something.
So this is when he began working on it.
I think there were prior attempts to do it.
It's very hard, but it's very hard is the gist of this.
Carl Dong has since moved on, and I think someone else has a grant
who is now working on this.
But you're trying to like, it's like you have a bunch of needles in a haystack.
You know, there's a big haystack that's all of Bitcoin Core's code base,
and all of the needles are what you're trying to isolate
into one system that can be shared.
It's all the consensus code or all the needles.
So you have to find all the needles
and somehow not disturb
or reconstitute them in a way
that they're still like coherent and make sense.
And so it's a lot of work
and hard to get all that code out.
And so that's why it's taken a long time.
And how close are we to getting that done?
I don't know.
I'm not working on it.
I would guess we're still probably quite a ways away from getting it done.
And so I'm not sure.
I wouldn't, I think we're going to have this debate for a long time because I don't think this, this is going to happen soon, but there might be new people are interested in working on this thing.
That would be a great use of someone who cares deeply about filters and stuff like that.
That would be a great use of their time.
Mostly what I hear from people who care about filters is that other people should be doing this kind of thing and other people should be working on this.
and what other Bitcoiners should be doing
is a lot of what I hear from a lot of the
even filter people who I see
relatively regularly when I was like
well why don't you work on it?
Why don't you join the effort?
They're like but I don't know C code. I don't know how to do it.
And someone else
who knows C code, some autists
should do it.
I wasn't going
to say who it was but I guess
my impression was so good
that we figured it out.
yeah um now anyway i just wanted i just wanted to bring this up because i thought it was an
interesting concept when i first heard about it cool um do you have any thoughts on that or
should we move on let's go okay that's all the top three stories of the week here on
stacker news live you got to be the best now there is no there is no fourth or fifth best
anymore on stacker news live you're gonna be the top three top three what's uh top three now you're
to be the top three if we only had one story top three would you read it every week yeah i would
but you gotta be the top three now you can't just be the top can i you can't just limp in anymore on
top five you gotta be the top three now okay i think this is my howard stern impression and uh
oh yeah you do look like howard stern this is my top you gotta be the top three i think myself and
and maybe i can speak for the stackers at home yeah we may want to hear um the rationale for the
change from five to three yeah go ahead tell them it's not my decision i was oh yeah i think me and
kian were just talking on his way to the question one day car told me what we were gonna do he's
like well he's like he interpreted all the feedback as we're covering too many top stories
yeah and what we need to do is cover fewer yeah and i'm whenever when anyone's like i want to do
an experiment i'm always like yes do the experiment yeah plus we're at 200 we're plus we're at 200
episodes it's time to change it up can we can we point to the place in the feedback that made you
come to that conclusion can we do it in meta is that okay and yeah we can do it later okay yeah
we'll do it later but stackers you're wondering i'm wondering hey we're all wondering even i'm
wondering hey this week in ai october 20th to the 26th 2025 made by your boy optimism check it out
um is it the end of nine to five i don't know maybe it is in china apparently silicon valley
startups are now embracing the chinese culture of 996 keon what do you think about that what is
996 it's where they work nine hours 72 hour basically schedule we already do that bitcoin
is ready to do that or me and you do that but apparently in china everybody does that
okay they work 72 hours but why is it expressed as 996 do you work i think it's like nine hours a
day uh why is it two nines and then i don't know maybe it's like let me see if i can get this right
oh it's blocked typical wired okay so maybe it maybe it's 996 you work two nine hour days then
one six hour day and then two nine hours i think it's like six days a week but we already work six
days a week okay but why is it 99 i'm trying to think maybe because i only get paid nine dollars
an hour or something this is in china mostly you said so in china there's actually um 18 hours a
day no so they work 18 hours a day no they work nine and then they're not working nine all right
that's the nine nine anyways well anyway i just want to cover real quick somebody's watching this
on youtube feel free to hate me on the comments uh next one i wanted to cover was the uh clod
skills are awesome maybe a bigger deal than mcp kia did you read this because i did it
uh no i did not i did not read it i would not bring up a story that i didn't read i didn't read
it but but what do they mean that did they did they get rid there's no way claude got rid of mcp
right didn't they invent it that's why i brought it up i was like how is that possible it says
anthropic this morning introduced claude skills a new pattern for making new abilities available
to their models claude can now use skills to improve how it performs specific tasks
okay maybe it's just an add-on do you use clod uh i use clod um i use i think it's sonnet or
whatever the latest model is you're not going to use skills then uh i'm not i'm not doing i'm not
like exploring the boundaries of ai very regularly i'm still having to write a lot so it sounds like
a no-go for most people great no i don't think so i think for people around the this is like
you know this is bleeding edge stuff all this kind of things and tell me more tell me more but i don't
know i don't know much about it i would guess this is compatible with uh mcp somehow yeah
it's okay and i haven't read i don't haven't read about it but i would
roll on more as the weeks go on hey this is why we have optimism doing the ai bitcoin thing every
week i didn't have time to read it i was i was preparing for my non-preparedness just like peter
Todd. I'm joking,
Peter. He knows I'm a jokester.
Next one is
Womble's Picks. Are you ready for Womble's
Picks? I thought that was. Oh, that was AI.
Picks, picks, picks, picks,
picks, picks, picks. Everything's a
Womble's Picks these days. Oh, Womble's Picks,
Picks, Picks, Picks.
Womble's Picks.
No clear way to run
SSP without
business relationships with LightSpark
from DarthCoin. I'm surprised.
21 comments, 1950.
Keon
what your boy Darth talking about this week I can read this this anymore this is oh no it just too tough dude it just why is it tough it just itchy my hair
um okay i can freeze getting claustrophobic in there it's so oily yeah i definitely don't
want to wear it feel that instead it's oily it's oily i'll believe you gotta you gotta keep
you have to pick a costume that's comfortable that's why i basically picked a hoodie that has
I'll wear it.
I'll wear it tonight.
We go out.
Okay.
Anyway.
Yeah.
So it looks like the Rizful devs,
I think,
I think megalithic me might be the main name that posted this on to
GitHub,
but they're concerned about who can,
who can be an important entity in the light spark universe.
So we have a spark chain came out and a lot of these wallets are now
using their API.
and their state chain and stuff.
And it has dependencies on other entities
sort of interoperating with it.
And Megalithic is concerned about
how accessible being one of these operators is.
And they get it kind of backwards
because SSP is actually something anyone can do.
There's a publicly available API
that allows you to be an SSP.
So that's, for instance,
That's what Breeze is on top of Spark.
They're not, I don't think they have any official relationship with Spark to do that.
But for Spark operators, you do need, you basically need permission from other Spark operators.
And I think most of the Spark operators currently are associated with LightSpark.
So you do need permission from LightSpark to be a Spark operator.
And they are concerned about that and what that might mean for customers.
and what that might and kind of attempts to bring attention to other wallets that are not
or that are participating in the Spark ecosystem, but are not maybe aware of this or disclosing
such relationships to their customers or whatever. It's kind of in the weeds of
Spark's implementation. But these Spark operators are really important for guaranteeing that
you basically have a non-custodial wallet on Spark
because one of N of these Spark operators
needs to delete keys when coins on their chain change hands.
Anyway, it's...
They...
Yeah, they get into here
and then they begin talking about privacy more
and things like that.
Yeah, then everybody jumps in.
Yeah, his cake...
Seth for Privacy, who I think is like a product manager at Cake Wallet,
which has a Spark wallet implementation.
And he also drags in the Blitz wallet dev or project manager.
Blake.
Yeah.
I know Blake.
Because he also thinks they should be telling their customers about privacy,
trade-offs, even where they, I mean, yeah, I don't know.
It's a bit of a mess, a bit of drama.
going on here but it's you know they're it is useful for i think both spark and people who are
i mean it's kind of one of those things like does strike tell you that they're kyc you like does
do do all these other ones tell you that they're kyc you i don't think they do no well they don't
they don't call it kyc but you know it's kyc because yeah but they don't tell you though
um yeah they're not that's not in their advertising hey come kyc with us and we'll
give you a wallet an exchange account i mean it's kind of one of those things where i just see like
just business interests like yes i think a lot of this it's just all business interests is motivated
by incentives related to uh one service versus versus another but i think there he made some
valid points in that thread about private kind of one of those things were like i think that i like
i think a lot of other companies were winning were winning the lightning game and
it's not so much easier anymore it sucks but that's just
dapped what did optimism say yeah not a big fan of telling people orgs what to do with their money
unless it's on their board interesting point about the api call though that's crazy best advice to
still try to learn running your own node just as make great progress into making that easier
yeah i think that's i mean that's the best thing is you can tell
like the people that you know like your family friends all that stuff but
um keep it on the field man just beat them at their
you know i mean i think phoenix is doing a great job right
what do you think yeah i don't know i don't i don't know anything about their business really
and i mean like i think they're making a pretty good wallet right that's a good alternative if
people really care about all this privacy stuff yeah but phoenix actually isn't super private
oh well shows what i know yeah because you have to use their lsp to do most things in so
they kind of know where money is going maybe maybe maybe justin is the only one that's making
our super private wallet uh isn't it like on it's on the it's the responsibility of the product to
be secure but then it's on the responsibility of the individual to be private because that's
something i have to do oh that's it that's a good i like the way you phrase that yeah i would say
that is true in general yes yeah you you shouldn't assume the company is respecting your privacy or
is even able to fully right yeah and that's kind of what i'm thinking too like you can't listen
if somebody's telling you their their thing that you want to use is private you probably
should verify i think you're right jenna but i don't do that but it's a good thing to say
yeah i don't know but um anyways i think it's good this is a good pick by wumble uh the next
one was u.s bombs 15th alleged drug boat in latin america news from antiwar.com i didn't even know
that was a website uh blockchain boog 20 comments 184 sets key on this is another wumble's picks
going spicy this week from Wumble. What do you think about this one?
Yeah, I guess the Department of War
Chief Head, U.S. War Secretary Pete Hegseth
has been waging war and sharing it.
Oh my gosh, that's wild. And sharing the war they're waging with
what they call narco-terrorists, which are
people basically smuggling drugs to the United States, allegedly. I don't know.
Most of what they're sharing is videos of them drone bombing ships in open water.
And then they tell us afterwards that they're carrying drugs.
And that's kind of what we know.
And I think they've shared 15 such cases so far where they have done that.
And yeah, I guess this is the new war on drugs.
It is like a pretty kinetic war.
Wild.
this is why you need to start your own podcast so you can defend yourself
what does that have to do with you think if they had a they were recording a podcast on this boat
it wouldn't hurt right they're they're live streaming during during that boat attack
maybe start early yeah i mean you can imagine how fun the podcast would be we're just snorting
lines of coke like before or after and during that's not what i'm saying i'm saying like i mean
sometimes sometimes you gotta like you gotta like let people know that you're not a bad guy so
if what you're saying is true maybe maybe there's another side to the story but we'll never know
it kind of reminds me this reminds me in all seriousness this reminds me of remember when
they were bombing the journalists that were covering the war in iraq and and i and i ran like
10 15 years ago when they're you're talking about the wikileaks video oh i don't think it was that
one it was like it was this was like 2008 i think or 2000 it was like during i didn't know they were
bombing yeah they were bombing journalists that were covering um man i forget my it's all wash
my uh 20s but they were doing the same thing and they were saying that they were terrorists
uh but and to be honest this is not like this is not just the united states this is every country
that does this uh this is why there's like the human rights foundation right like um this is
every country that does that's one side of it this is not just the united states that's one side of
is like these people maybe aren't narco-terrorists and they're just bombing ships the others you know
like if we can we can play the game of like okay maybe maybe they are narco-terrorists and it but
and then say is this good or bad and uh i i think i i i don't know the situation because i'm not a
political or what is this what do you what is that like a war chief wartime chief you're not
a war chief all this time no this old time turns out but um i don't have enough information to
comment on it man i i do think it's interesting that they're they're showing the videos though
that's wild like i didn't know when i clicked that video that i was gonna see a bombing
i definitely don't want that in my feed so the other side of it is kind of like maybe there are
drugs and there are some really bad drugs in the world oh there are yeah maybe there's maybe those
guys are responsible for it but then the question becomes do they deserve to get bombed out of the
water with it and should we be fighting a war on drugs period i'm more of i'm i take the position
that i just think drugs should be legal so i don't see i don't see much i i kind of don't like it
either way um i think it's whether they are carrying drugs or not i don't i don't like it
but i also don't like people doing you know doing drugs and dying children doing drugs and dying
yeah like and that kind of stuff but i think that's mostly the result of it being illegal
to begin with.
And so you end up in this weird place
where it's like,
maybe I agree with their behavior
if we assume that we can't change the laws
as they are with respect to drugs.
Maybe this is the way
that you deal with the problems
those laws create.
So what I saw,
so what I saw that poster this week,
I was talking to Wombo about this earlier.
So I knew he was going to post this thing.
And it reminded me of this ACL video
that uh flaming lips did like in the 2000s and it was this is a crazy cover of war pigs by black
sabbath and i don't know if you guys know the lyrics to war pigs but it's an amazing song and
and wayne cohen's like this crazy guy uh and uh anyway so like they do this rendition of war
pigs you know war pigs right awesome black sabbath's war pigs we know it oh you do know
Yeah, we both know it.
But when I saw the video and I saw the comments, it kind of reminded me of this song, like Warpigs.
It's just like, I mean, America really does enjoy its war.
And I think that's what the song's about.
And that's what this performance is about.
It's like, it's a real, like, you know, good art really does make you, like, think about what we're looking at.
And this is what really Austin really is about.
It's kind of like that.
It's like this is in Austin, downtown.
So it's kind of freaking wild.
Anyways, thought I'd share that just for something y'all want to think about.
Keon, what do you think?
Being in that cockroach.
Do you feel like you're going to get exterminated?
No.
Well, apparently we survived pretty good in wartime.
Do you think if you would have survived that boat?
Yeah, I probably would have.
just like blown into the water i have wings i could fly sometimes if i really need to i'm like
a chicken we lost it but i did want to ask you more about um so like the stance of like drugs
should be legalized whoa okay following you there because i think you said um we're in this position
with the drugs have gotten like more dangerous because drugs have been legalized like because
of chasing like the high you need to do something more and more intense yeah but that's just a nature
of drugs period that's the nature of drugs yeah but so now that we're in this state where like
drugs are like more dangerous than ever um is that not time to like update the like
yeah all drugs be legal i i i personally think they should be legal i think that changes
everyone's attitude toward it. Parents are prepared to educate their kids about drugs
because they don't assume the state is going to do the parenting for them.
The other side is I think drugs are safer when they are legal
because there's no reason to do fentanyl if
you can get heroin that is good and clean
and cheap. Most people are doing fentanyl because it
takes up less volume and weight for the high that it gives.
Hey, welcome in. We're talking about fentanyl.
You want to say something?
No, I'm following you, though.
We're all going to do a bump of fentanyl after this podcast.
For any children.
Kill Tony.
Did they finally do it?
Kill him?
No, they were actually trying to save people here.
They had a bottled water, like a bubbly water.
And on the can, it had, what do they call it?
Narcan?
like basically one of these strips that allows you to test uh for fentanyl okay and the city of
austin wouldn't let them put it in stores maybe it wasn't maybe they were just talking about it
but um you kind of imagine that like that would be a really good product like okay i'm gonna go do
some coke tonight but i'm just gonna go grab one of these bubbly waters with it with a drug strip
on the top yeah yeah test it just in case right i can keep it so casual convenient on my person
yeah so i think just like yeah legalize the drugs legalize the testing strips test everything
yeah don't trust verify okay well i'm glad i asked to follow up because that's helpful
yeah i mean i mean car had helpful input where he shared a song that it reminded him
yeah it reminded me of that because i i mean i don't know i always look at things in like extremes
and so I'm always going to look at things in extremes
because it just like that's where my mind goes to
especially when it comes to stuff like that like I can't like I can't see
I don't know how to how do I explain this yeah I don't know
like so when I see something like because I just saw somebody die
in a military drone strike and I wasn't expecting to see that today
so that's kind of shocking I didn't think there were people in the boat I couldn't even see that I tried watching the video
look at it um shout out the flaming lips are from oklahoma city there you go uh but yeah like to me
it's just like hard to fathom that like i wasn't expecting to see that today and then um yeah and
so when i see that it's like what's the artistic way to express that kind of thing that feeling
flaming lips doing war pigs and acl with blood on his face screaming uh you know the war machine
is coming. That's how you express that.
And I thought it was a good rendition of it.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
I wouldn't have known
about that song.
It's cool. You should listen to it.
It's a really good cover. You got Cat Power to join
him on that one.
The next one is
we're going to jump into
your post first, Keon.
Yeah, let's do it. Talent Redux.
This is from Elvis Mercury. Keon, what's this?
Yeah, I wanted to share this one because Elvis Mercury
quit his job and i like oh wow people are unhappy at their jobs and they quit it's my um job elvis
mercury anyone tells me they're unhappy at their job i just usually tell them to quit that is true
um so uh i find it's usually what they want to do um well and i i helped i give them permission to
do it but i didn't i didn't have to do that for elvis mercury he did that for himself and figured
it out after a while and he uh ended up leaving his job and now he's working on what's figuring
out what's next for for them and um cool yeah i'm excited and we i think we probably talked about
the article he links to in here this one yeah uh at one point we probably had we probably covered
this on the podcast but he he relates a bunch of things about you know finding what to work on
how you should pursue becoming a, I don't know,
a valuable person maybe,
but maybe not even like valuable in a market sense,
but valuable to you.
And-
What?
Of course he's valuable.
Come on, man.
Yeah, but how do you become,
how do you become even, I don't know,
uniquely talented in a way that gives you a deep meaning and-
Build leverage.
Is super fulfilling?
Is that simple?
Yeah, but how do you do it?
Yeah, that's kind of the question.
It's not, I think we all are aware.
Maybe I'll write an article on that this weekend.
Maybe I'll write an article on that.
Okay.
That might be good.
I hope you do.
I don't think it's as hard as people think, but maybe I'll do that.
I think he lays out, he's familiar with most of the advice as it relates to developing talent and getting leverage and all the other things.
It's just he has a knack for finding where it's complicated
and spending a lot of time.
Where does he live?
I'd be curious to understand where he lives in his crazy world.
I don't think he knows that.
He might live in Venezuela.
I think it definitely matters with the location.
Well, I'm excited for Elvis Mercury to be around more
and maybe tell us more about his life
and what he's learned over the course of his interesting life.
It's like Justin.
Or their interesting life.
Let me use gender neutral pronouns.
It looks like Justin referenced Naval.
Did you guys ever get into Naval?
I don't know.
I know the name, but I'm not on Twitter anymore,
so I don't know what he says.
Yeah, I like a lot of his How to Get Rich series.
I think he does a great job of compressing.
Is he a Bitcoin or no?
Yeah.
philosophy of life yeah his ability to compress is pretty uh remarkable expert yeah expert level
compression cool stuff bro cool stuff uh the next top story is bitcoin is more than english speaking
bitcoin twitter key on south korea lightning 16 comments 956 58 sets they say hey what's this
yeah i'd like uh i like any reminder that bitcoin is not what a lot of bitcoiners who are like in
Bitcoin think it is. And Bitcoin is like so much greater than that. And South Korea, Ellen,
reminds us of that here. They have a friend who's quite a Bitcoiner, runs their own Bitcoin
and Lightning node, which many people who think they're real Bitcoiners don't do. And they were
completely unaware of all the offer turn drama and all the nonsense that has been going on. And so
just a nice reality check hey yeah that's probably true hey you're probably not not much of a bitcoiner
in a in a real sense person who thinks this drama is every yeah like my brother-in-law probably
doesn't even know any of this like when i see him for thanksgiving he's gonna be like so what's going
on a bitcoin i'd be like oh man you have no idea but he's not gonna not know any of it yeah you're
right is he a bitcoiner your brother-in-law yeah he runs a node or no but he just has bitcoin yeah
yeah that's a bitcoiner of a sort but i think even what i was impressed by and i think that's
why south korea allen showed it as like this this guy is like a you know relatively sophisticated
bitcoiner where he's actually i think that's most people right running his own uh self-hosting his
own stuff it's most it's most bitcoiners boomers yeah bitcoin boomers not participating in the
nonsense cool stuff plat point you got anything on this well i don't run any nodes so i'm not real
And that's, I mean, I understand.
No, you're real.
You're just not.
But I get it, though.
There are levels to this game.
I should.
Yeah, I should level up.
Yeah For sure Yeah I intimidated though And there other things to do There are There other ways to contribute to Bitcoin and improve your Bitcoin or Ness without running
it out.
Yeah.
For sure.
That's all of them.
Let's jump into my post.
First, we're going to jump into the spacecraft reveal.
Have you seen this, Keon?
So apparently the Atlas spacecraft is, or the common.
Space guy isn't here.
It's still swerving.
Still doing its thing.
This wasn't really a good link, but I have one down here because I'm prepared like Peter Todd.
So you can see here, it's behind the sun right now because I pay attention to the stars.
Some would say I'm a sophisticated guy.
Yeah, it turns out, right?
I've never heard anyone say that, but there are people who say that.
You'd be surprised.
Yeah, yeah.
The latest, Keon.
The latest say that.
Are they going to say that with your leather jacket tonight?
Oh, maybe.
You'll have much better luck if you wear that wig, bro.
Tell him.
I'd probably have better luck if I wear that cockroach costume.
I mean, who doesn't want a guy in a cockroach costume?
No, but it's behind the sun right now, as you can see.
It also looks like it's getting starrier.
It's definitely getting brighter.
and uh the guy the the guy who looks like um a fauci uh is making the appearances everywhere so
i think i think we're ready for uh the aliens to arrive what do you think um yeah i don't know
much about this i did i did see the headlines for this uh it looks like they observed it
brightening and are struggling to explain it um i'm sure there is a it's a an explanation that
isn't a isn't aliens um or you're you're right you're off the alien thing now doesn't assume
you're hard alien on the beginning when this first was coming around mercury or
when it's coming around that is not my memory roll the tape wumble
no you were definitely when it was coming around titan and jupiter you're like this is aliens get
ready car and i was the one that was like now key on hold your horses this is not aliens okay yeah
well i'll find the clip and show it to you okay thank you yeah um anyway so you're back on the
this is not a this is just a asteroid that i don't i i got like three words out and you're
already telling me every every thought i've had about this this would be a good segment if i did
i know i know that's why i brought up this post okay anyway uh yeah i saw the headlines for it
and my sense of it is i don't know and uh i'm sure there are you can you can explain it either
way if you want you can explain it in a way that makes it seem like aliens and you can explain it
if the cockroach if the cock if you're the cockroach are you getting on this asteroid if
it lands i mean cockroaches might already be from another planet i don't know if we've talked about
this on this podcast but it's there's there's reason to believe that cockroaches are not of
where did you get this idea of the or that's why i hate them sorry you're talking about a pixar movie
you watch too many pixar that must be why i want them all to die yeah because you you like innately
detects their they aren't earthlings i really like i have i'm on the ground floor in my apartment
and I have cockroaches and I just...
Man, my hatred for them is from another world.
Really?
Have you thought about loving them instead?
No.
As a solution.
So you're like the drone with the cockroaches.
We could get along peaceably until the moment
that they crawled into...
I don't even want to...
So I did ask you, Plep,
but what do you think is going on here?
Do you think this is a...
Do you think this is just a large rock
or what do you think this is it's getting brighter behind the sun so um it's about to reveal itself
tomorrow and sunday we'll see what i think okay um yeah i think it's pretty cool
are you looking forward to um anything going on um not really something here nothing
you don't expect anything uh yeah i can't i can't say i'm really expecting anything um
but whatever happens happens basically and also you only live once that's i feel like you're just
quoting like i feel like you're just quoting stroke songs at this point yeah all right sounds
good yeah you guys didn't give me nothing that's that segment can i try better for next time it's
all good the the next story i want to cover was happy bitcoin white paper day this for me tick so
this is two years ago but this is the best post i could find um yeah check this out hey i celebrated
it in the zine too so it's there oh cool we'll show it but yeah this is on sni bitcoin p2p e-cash
paper um yeah look at it it's right there he says i've been working on a new electronic cash system
that's fully peer-to-peer with no trusted third party.
Actually, Scoresby was asking for something like this
because he was saying all he could find was PDFs.
Yeah, you need to go to SNI.
And then paper is available there.
The main property is here.
SNI has both.
Yeah, then he links it here, full paper, all that stuff, the original.
And then you can even view the original.
He has it down here at the bottom.
Pretty cool, right?
I've got war pigs stuck in my head right now.
yeah what do you think about this what do i think about the bitcoin white paper yeah i think it's
great i i like it i like it too yeah i'm glad it happened i'm glad it was released yeah me too
uh pet putt you got anything yeah i mean like white isn't my favorite color
but i think it's pretty cool still yeah
yeah he released it at 6 10 or 18 10 utc
and what does that tell you must have been a late night must have been a late night or early evening
or whenever it was must have been utc is five hours ahead or six hours ahead depending on what
time of year uh relative to texas time so so it would have been what like 3 p.m oh
it was a late afternoon it was a late afternoon assuming assuming satoshi was in texas but
oh you're saying he's in texas that was texas time oh wait this is texas time oh my god no i was
uh ut if you convert utc to texas time it's like 3 p.m in texas is when he sent that
so i don't know where satoshi was but there you know odds are you know he could have he could have
could have texas is a big state he could have been from texas could have been a texan he could
have been sent that from an oil rig wow what an imagination you have in texas possibly well i mean
I get around as a did you ever put the things on your hands did I miss that part no I haven't put
them on they're like I don't have um access to all my digits that way so yeah because you really
check it out it's Toshi Nakamoto Institute it's a great website I have it I have it saved as a web
app on my phone I look at it whenever I want to look up stuff because I come prepared well you're
so hardcore some would say um the next i think that's all of it yeah well you know what we went
through it pretty fast uh we're gonna go to meta boo stacker news scene 31 uh look at that
and if you're subscribed your zine is in the mail right now oh yeah wow
should we sneak preview it if it loads or that's it that's it right there look at that
does look spooky but you'll see the white paper oh wow look at you it says staggered asine is made
in austin each week by plot poet wow that's cool but um what else can i say about this oh i liked
those two posts because those were the posts that had the most comments this week and they actually
had the same amount of comments which was 101 uh is that reflected there or are they new some would
say yes um so that is pretty spooky and i love how you cover the culture part of uh stagger news
it really is the culture part of it right it's a cult it's a cultural zine it's cultural zine i'm
trying to yeah i'm trying to like put that into words and it's kind of hard but what's the hardest
part about it uh about the about making it the hardest part is um
like sometimes when i'm in the text box in canva i can't see where my cursor is if it's like on the
very edge so sometimes like i don't know if i'm putting it in the right spot and so that takes
that's that it's annoying can you just turn on the ruler or no i don't know how to actually i've
been trying to figure it out in canva i don't know where the ruler is you know where the ruler is
yeah i know where it's all right you'll show me yeah interesting this is great
oh i want to say shout out to my friends the worms because they gave me a bunch of stamps and
that's featured in that the stamps are featured so there was a cactus stamp we just saw we saw
the clown stamp hey uh stuff like that so thanks thanks pals yeah this is awesome
see that clown stamp that one's pretty good right where's the oh i see oh that's a step i thought you
had that made what's this lady here that lady is like if she works at a bank she's so scared of the
white paper oh no yeah so that's janet ellen that's janet ellen yeah that's cool she's so scared
this is good stuff yeah thanks cool boo good deal yeah it's fresh off the press oh is this printed
oh this is what it looks like printed oh you went with green yeah nice i like green
cool cool stuff um really cool stuff so you you wanted to talk about the darth coin post let me
see if i can find it let's go we could talk about it he i didn't really want to say that
i didn't want to bring it up but he did he also said that he didn't want it to become
to be brought up in the top posts i didn't uh you know i already brought it up it's already
happened and we're here halloween means iron maiden that's funny where is it at my two sets
here we go what do you think kian um here we go he basically was just talking about or i'll let
you talk about it because you wanted to talk about it go for it yeah kian what do you think
what do you think about what this post this is super meta by the way this is meta on meta on meta
i think everyone deserves their own opinion on stacker news live and stacker news in general and
i respect it i feel like he's just trolling us so i don't but no like what did he say at the
beginning he was like he was like no it's because i like this thing and i want to say these things
because like i think it can be better it's all out of love you didn't get that yeah i think on
the surface that's that but i think knowing him pretty well after four years this is a massive
troll and it's probably like because there's two people that run the dartha coin account
that's my suspicion this is probably like either that or like he made this when he was drunk
and he you are coming up with imaginative ways to discredit the things that he says
i'm like his only fan on stacker news who else is his fan ek ek's not his fan on stacker news
like i'm like his only fan i was just okay but the reason for bringing this up is like so
he does he loves us talking about him he does give suggestions right now he's drinking a beer
He's like, fuck your car.
So he does give suggestions.
And the way you interpreted the suggestions,
the action item that you took was.
No, we did it.
We changed five top posts to three top posts.
Yeah.
But I don't know where that's reflected.
So maybe it was.
I think he wants us to make it more about like the stackers and stuff like that.
And I agree.
It's just that, you know, me and Keon are busy during the week.
Like, you know, this is not our only job.
If it was, you would see all sorts of stuff.
i mean like yeah something that you said earlier to me too is that like
that we're not taking ourselves seriously and that's well that's but but but also
there are times but i am trying to be more chipper i think that was a big takeaway too
like i guess i have been kind of negative so i'm definitely trying to be more funny and more chipper
for the show yeah it's hard to be in control of how funny you are but i agree that it's pretty
easy to control how chipper you are yeah so i could be more you know yeah i could i could definitely
bring more energy yeah i could bring i could i could move a little yeah oh my god look at that
outfit what the hell yeah is it german yeah oh wow that's a great outfit
oh no that's a great outfit oh wow somebody just came in with an amazing outfit
um all right we got to get all right that's all the time you just been there but i i did
you know it's a party you didn't say much um let's go the top stackers the top stackers of
the week kia what are the top stackers put on your hat can you put that i don't know you want
You want to go to Cowboys instead.
I do.
Oh, the top Cowboys of the week.
I got it on.
You got Sacred, Heidi, Discipline, Blockchain, Blue, Gray Ruby.
We are all Satoshi, Crypto Sensei, Scoresby.
Platpoint, you're 22.
Hey, I'm right next to EK.
Boom, 16 days.
Wow, she's moving up, dude.
Shout out.
Zap Sammy.
Shock Nat Shocker.
Billy the Kid.
Zero X Bitcoiner.
Hey, Nick, did you bring beer?
No.
Oh, you have some beer?
He has a little bit.
No, but do you have any beer here?
All right.
GMD, Crute.
Seth for Privacy.
Oh, Seth for Privacy came on.
Is this his first time here on Sacker News?
Nope.
Definitely not.
He used to make a lot of stuff.
I've never seen it before.
Dead Beef.
Yeah, a lot of cool posts.
Real Bitcoin Dog.
Dude, he's talking so much crap, dude.
Real Bitcoin Doggy.
You know, Real Bitcoin Dog?
You're talking so much crap.
He's talking so much crap to me.
I'm going to discipline.
I'm going to talk about this right now.
This is real quick.
I thought you were his biggest fan.
I am his biggest fan, but you know, Real Bitcoin Doggy?
You know, Real Bitcoin Dog?
I might be your only fan.
I might be your only fan, too.
That's all I'm saying.
On this table, Par's your only fan.
Is he keeping it real, though?
Dark Coin?
So you know, at this table, I might be your only fan too.
Well, Bitcoin Dog, I'm your only fan on this table.
Just so y'all know.
But undisciplined.
Undisciplined.
Undisciplined's getting upset.
I'm getting a little bit upset.
We're losers in fantasy football.
That's okay.
But slow down.
That's all I'm saying.
Write some stories or something.
Anyway, Keon, have you read a story yet?
Which story?
The one that you finished top three?
Well, it's like the only thing that you read that we cover on the show.
So I figured I'll just let you have that.
It's like that.
I'm just going to keep bringing it up because it's reoccurring.
I tried to get in real Bitcoin doggy.
You see, you see me trying for you at this table.
He doesn't watch the show.
Oh man, I had some hair in.
Yes.
Anyway.
Just, I want to bring that up.
It's been bothering me all week.
Socks, sucks this year.
Sucks.
What do you think socks was for Halloween?
I don't know.
Socks, where were you for Halloween?
Hot Socks.
Tell us.
Tell us in the comments.
He put a little jack-o'-lantern in the stacker saloon.
I miss Socks.
I saw that.
I miss Socks.
Hopefully he can come back.
Peter Todd?
What do you think Peter Todd was?
Where did he go?
Oh, you mean back here in Austin?
Yeah.
Waxster and DP0604.
That's it.
That's Top Cowboys.
I was going to cover the comments, but vibes are high right now,
and I don't want to cover the comments.
Kia, what are you doing this weekend?
I'm probably wearing this costume.
And I need to clean my house.
It's a mess.
Really?
Yeah, I've let it kind of go.
That's probably why I turned into a cockroach.
It's because I've just been leaving all kinds of stuff around my house.
Let me see that.
I'll put that on.
He'll do it for you.
I'll do it for you so you can see.
But he's going to take it off.
later no i just like are you a christmas elf just inches i was looking forward to this year because
it was like the one year where a car might actually wear a costume and now it's just my
bell bottoms didn't come in that's all it was checking out of it and now he's howard stern
somebody said um uh you look like that meme will you put your hands on though
please oh the hands with the hands i'm taking requests for costume stuff now anyways what are
do this weekend play poet well i am uh gonna look at the moon at some point oh you're gonna wait for
the atlas thing just gonna look at the moon you're gonna look directly why are you gonna with those
glasses is uh they have like a secret thing that happens i'm gonna look at the moon i'm gonna wear
these glasses and i'm going to do uh some other stuff why are you looking at the moon just because
it's nice. It's beautiful. Somebody took a photo
of it and they posted it the other day.
Did they really? Where was it at?
I can't remember who did.
You feel like you haven't seen it in a while.
Yeah, just got to get reacquainted with the moon.
I always look at the moon.
I miss the moon.
Who posted that? It was somebody that...
Yeah, I saw it the other day.
They were showing off their telescope.
Was it Papa Bland?
No, it wasn't.
It was the picture room.
The Stacker Saloon, baby!
Wow, dude.
Darth is coming in hard today.
Yeah, got some Stacker Saloon stuff going on here.
A lot of crazy stuff.
You never know where you're going to see in the Stacker Saloon.
Have you been?
No, you haven't been zombified yet.
I haven't been zombified.
We have a zombie.
I know who took photos of the moon.
It was the hiker.
That's the outfit I was about to go for.
Nice last name.
D.O.
Ilma.
Yeah, they have a telescope for me to take photos of the moon, so they're really good photos.
Yeah.
You'll see it, yeah?
You'll see it?
I can't see anything.
Oh yeah, you look just like him.
Yeah, just...
Yeah.
Are you gonna see it?
No, that's not big.
Yeah. Have you always been him?
I don't want to live my life in the day.
I don't want to say it publicly, but the boss is right.
Just let it sit there.
Think long and hard about that, Stacker.
See this one?
What do you think about that?
Yeah.
Is that true?
That's Stacker News.
i don't i don't is he talking about i think he was yeah uh i don't know why
it feels that way so i can't really respond to it if i knew i could
i would probably have this is a doc stock list what is this
and soccer saloon's crazy today anyways um that's all we got
backers have yourself a great weekend keon zap