1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:20,260 live from plant lab in austin texas this is stacker news live hello ladies and welcome 2 00:00:20,260 --> 00:00:23,100 back to another exciting episode of stacker news live my name is carl with my bff keon 3 00:00:23,100 --> 00:00:28,580 and plant poet has decided to join us let me uh eat that real quick there you go hey 4 00:00:28,580 --> 00:00:30,920 because we're talking about my favorite. 5 00:00:31,380 --> 00:00:31,700 There you go. 6 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:32,960 We're talking about your favorite person in the world, 7 00:00:33,060 --> 00:00:34,400 Jack Dorsey, this week. 8 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:36,060 Keon, how was your week? 9 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:37,700 It was really good. 10 00:00:38,900 --> 00:00:41,960 I can't even describe all the great things that happened. 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,580 I also don't want to brag about how awesome my life is. 12 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:50,560 Everyone online, it's a bad look. 13 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,160 So I'll just say that I spent most of my time in my office 14 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,300 and I did nothing otherwise. 15 00:00:57,300 --> 00:01:00,760 and that will make people feel better maybe about their lives. 16 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:02,220 That's what I did this week. 17 00:01:02,300 --> 00:01:04,580 How was your week, Club Poet? 18 00:01:08,580 --> 00:01:09,020 Okay. 19 00:01:10,820 --> 00:01:16,300 I just want to make a quick clarification about who my favorite person in the world is. 20 00:01:16,940 --> 00:01:18,780 Number one, it's going to be Austin Kelsey. 21 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,240 And then after that, it's going to be Ethan Hawke. 22 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:22,800 And then maybe... 23 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:23,520 Ethan Hawke, really? 24 00:01:23,700 --> 00:01:24,200 Yeah, yeah. 25 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:24,280 They're local. 26 00:01:24,580 --> 00:01:24,760 Okay. 27 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:25,880 Wow. 28 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,040 So you really like that? 29 00:01:27,300 --> 00:01:28,800 Rogan podcast with him probably. 30 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:30,100 I did really like it. 31 00:01:30,180 --> 00:01:30,600 It was great. 32 00:01:30,740 --> 00:01:33,220 He had some new stories I hadn't heard before, so that was great. 33 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,620 Because I've probably heard every podcast he's been on by now, which is not a lot. 34 00:01:38,580 --> 00:01:45,440 If Ethan Hawke came out with a Bitcoin exchange, Bitcoin app thing, would you use it instead of Cash App? 35 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:49,060 Wow, I would have such a conflict right there, maybe. 36 00:01:49,940 --> 00:01:51,080 I would try it. 37 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:52,000 Yeah. 38 00:01:53,260 --> 00:01:54,320 You'd be obligated to. 39 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:55,840 I would be obligated to try it. 40 00:01:55,940 --> 00:01:57,020 If he's number two, yeah. 41 00:01:57,300 --> 00:01:59,160 At least until Austin comes out with his own. 42 00:01:59,540 --> 00:01:59,820 Yeah. 43 00:02:02,700 --> 00:02:04,440 But I don't know if Jack Dorsey is third. 44 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,340 He might be in the top five, though. 45 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:07,620 Oh, wow. 46 00:02:07,620 --> 00:02:08,180 That's awesome. 47 00:02:08,460 --> 00:02:08,780 Dang. 48 00:02:09,100 --> 00:02:09,500 Demoted. 49 00:02:10,500 --> 00:02:11,980 Today on... 50 00:02:11,980 --> 00:02:13,360 You got fired, Jack Dorsey. 51 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:14,520 You got fired. 52 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,100 If you've never seen this great show before, it's called Stacker News Live. 53 00:02:18,100 --> 00:02:21,260 We cover the top three stories on Stacker News every week. 54 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:22,760 It's the front page of Bitcoin. 55 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,360 this week our most popular video 56 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,300 was the 57 00:02:27,300 --> 00:02:29,240 BTC Prog one. Had 19 views. 58 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:31,200 But, yeah. 59 00:02:31,700 --> 00:02:32,940 Yeah, I think they retweeted it. 60 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:35,440 They liked us talking 61 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,320 about them. Yeah, I think there was a comment there 62 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,220 we'll talk about later. But, yeah, if you're 63 00:02:39,220 --> 00:02:41,300 interested in all the sorts of crazy stuff that we do, 64 00:02:41,660 --> 00:02:43,300 go ahead and take a look. There's 65 00:02:43,300 --> 00:02:44,500 a bunch of Wumble clips here, 66 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,180 some surveillance stuff, some AI 67 00:02:47,180 --> 00:02:48,380 girlfriend stuff. We got it all. 68 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,280 It's like a drive-thru for news 69 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,560 on Stacker News Live YouTube channel. 70 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:55,100 Definitely unsubscribe. 71 00:02:55,380 --> 00:02:57,460 I think calling it news is a bit 72 00:02:57,460 --> 00:02:58,620 overselling it. 73 00:02:59,300 --> 00:03:01,000 I mean, we cover the news. Unsubscribe 74 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,300 while we have here. I think it's just more 75 00:03:03,300 --> 00:03:04,500 entertaining form of news, maybe? 76 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:06,320 When we're in a good mood? 77 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,480 I don't know. Is anyone learning anything? 78 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:11,360 I don't know. People keep subscribing for 79 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,560 some strange reason. I mean, we're just 80 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,560 harmonizing. I feel like we were a lot better. 81 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:16,840 We were definitely better 82 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,360 at our jobs, like, 200 83 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,460 episodes ago. I would say we've gotten worse, 84 00:03:21,660 --> 00:03:23,440 but that's me. I'm a harsh critic. 85 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,520 Wait, that's your 86 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,460 opinion is what you mean? I think we were 87 00:03:27,460 --> 00:03:29,420 better at talking about the news like 88 00:03:29,420 --> 00:03:31,580 200 episodes ago. Well, what changed? 89 00:03:31,740 --> 00:03:33,080 I think we just got jaded. 90 00:03:33,980 --> 00:03:34,940 Just got jaded. 91 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,440 Bitcoin has a way of jading you over 92 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,440 time, and I think that's what happened. You mean we 93 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:40,940 need, so we need to 94 00:03:40,940 --> 00:03:43,500 be more bullish and stuff and hopeful? 95 00:03:43,500 --> 00:03:45,480 No, I'm saying yeah, we were definitely 96 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,360 more hopeful. I mean, get the DVD. 97 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,020 It's on Fountain, but 98 00:03:49,020 --> 00:03:52,500 So, yeah, because we spent a lot of time looking at it. 99 00:03:52,540 --> 00:03:53,680 I'm sure Wumble would agree. 100 00:03:53,780 --> 00:03:55,420 Wumble, would like to hear your thoughts on that? 101 00:03:55,940 --> 00:03:57,360 But we heard it from Blockchain Book. 102 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,860 He basically told me that in TabConf, remember? 103 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,740 He was just like, yeah, you've gotten more jaded over the years. 104 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:03,960 I was like, yeah, that makes sense. 105 00:04:05,220 --> 00:04:05,720 That's what I'm saying. 106 00:04:05,820 --> 00:04:08,080 I don't understand why people are subscribing. 107 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:08,980 It makes no sense. 108 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,380 Don't you feel that you have? 109 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:12,400 100%. 110 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:12,720 Yeah. 111 00:04:14,220 --> 00:04:14,880 I don't know. 112 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:16,280 But that's what Bitcoin does to you. 113 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,280 It just makes you tired. 114 00:04:19,020 --> 00:04:22,920 And over time, like, you lose all that joyfulness. 115 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,020 I'm trying to find a way to get it back, but it's a work in progress. 116 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:27,280 I don't know if I feel jaded. 117 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:28,440 I just feel... 118 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,800 You definitely have some takes. 119 00:04:31,300 --> 00:04:37,340 I feel like I'm less susceptible to certain kinds of false hopes now, I think. 120 00:04:37,780 --> 00:04:38,620 But is that jaded? 121 00:04:38,780 --> 00:04:39,120 I don't know. 122 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:39,920 Yeah, that's definitely jaded. 123 00:04:40,700 --> 00:04:43,400 I know it's like, it's sort of like being jaded. 124 00:04:43,900 --> 00:04:47,720 Yeah, if everything that comes out of your mouth is negative and not hopeful, that's jaded. 125 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,380 if anything comes out of my mouth 126 00:04:50,380 --> 00:04:52,020 everything that comes out of your mouth is 127 00:04:52,020 --> 00:04:55,000 so you're saying everything that comes out of my mouth is not hopeful 128 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,880 most times these days 129 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,000 pretty much 130 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,560 most isn't everything 131 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,100 so let's get clear here 132 00:05:01,100 --> 00:05:03,020 I would say like 80-20 133 00:05:03,020 --> 00:05:05,940 that's a shot in the dark 134 00:05:05,940 --> 00:05:06,540 I don't know 135 00:05:06,540 --> 00:05:10,340 I feel like I was at 90% 136 00:05:10,340 --> 00:05:12,240 last year, 90-10 last year 137 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:13,400 and then this year I've come down 138 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:14,640 so I'm probably like 80-20 now 139 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:15,420 like you 140 00:05:15,420 --> 00:05:20,840 okay yeah where about even let's see who can be even more hopeful and optimistic as the year goes 141 00:05:20,840 --> 00:05:28,500 on yeah have a hopeful competition i'm hopeful about bitcoin i'm not hopeful about people 142 00:05:28,500 --> 00:05:35,240 as a relationship with bitcoin like that's that's like where my hope kind of ends uh yeah it's like 143 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:41,260 i just think i think bitcoin's hard and that and people don't people won't get it for a long time 144 00:05:41,260 --> 00:05:42,600 What about you, Plepo? 145 00:05:42,660 --> 00:05:43,680 How do you feel about this? 146 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:53,140 I'm hopeful, and I also kind of just, like, do my own thing and don't really get into the weeds of things that would make me jaded. 147 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:00,380 And I kind of just take it a day at a time, and I just say, praise God. 148 00:06:00,980 --> 00:06:01,620 There you go. 149 00:06:03,180 --> 00:06:07,620 We're going to jump into the top three stories now on Snacker News Live. 150 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,900 The number three top story this week is A Layman's Guide to BIP110. 151 00:06:10,900 --> 00:06:13,660 Speaking about being hopeful, this is from Billy the Kid. 152 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:15,240 He sent it all to Lomp. 153 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,680 12 comments, 13,500 stats. 154 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:18,540 Key on. 155 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:20,900 What's going on this week? 156 00:06:21,020 --> 00:06:26,060 Yeah, we don't have to go over this too much, but I wanted to. 157 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:33,980 It is a nice overview of an argument against BIP-110 for someone who maybe hasn't been paying a lot of attention over the last few weeks. 158 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:35,020 Oh, we've been paying attention. 159 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:36,760 Where we discussed BIP-10 quite a lot. 160 00:06:36,820 --> 00:06:38,620 I don't think a lot of people have paid attention to the details. 161 00:06:38,620 --> 00:06:40,020 They're certainly paying attention to the drama. 162 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:44,360 on various social networks because that is fun. 163 00:06:44,900 --> 00:06:47,680 But this isn't really fun, trying to understand what's going on. 164 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:52,340 But Lopp does a pretty good job, I think, of providing a position against the fork. 165 00:06:53,100 --> 00:06:57,900 He describes it as adding seven new restrictive rules to Bitcoin transactions. 166 00:06:58,900 --> 00:07:00,860 And that's kind of what the main thing that the fork does. 167 00:07:00,940 --> 00:07:06,160 And it tries to do that in a temporary, it claims it'll only be temporary and they'll 168 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:07,260 reevaluate in a year. 169 00:07:07,260 --> 00:07:09,680 So after a year, those changes will fall out. 170 00:07:10,900 --> 00:07:13,000 or get reestablished or new rules will come in. 171 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:20,820 His arguments against it are primarily that it will likely freeze funds in edge cases. 172 00:07:20,820 --> 00:07:28,560 So if anyone is holding on to, while it exempts any UTXOs prior to activation, 173 00:07:28,900 --> 00:07:33,040 if anyone has like pre-signed transactions that are invalid in this fork, 174 00:07:33,100 --> 00:07:34,480 they won't be able to get them confirmed. 175 00:07:34,780 --> 00:07:36,080 So that kind of sucks. 176 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:39,020 Let's see. 177 00:07:39,020 --> 00:08:01,020 It also suggests that the network can choose after the fact, after putting rules into place, that it will change the rules to the disadvantage of certain people and certain transactions, which kind of murkies the water with respect to censorship resistance. 178 00:08:01,020 --> 00:08:06,180 claims that the big reason with spam 179 00:08:06,180 --> 00:08:09,800 is much more that we don't have a competitive fee market. 180 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:11,740 There's just the blocks are kind of empty, 181 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,240 so there's nothing pricing out spam. 182 00:08:14,100 --> 00:08:17,240 And that regardless of the transaction mechanisms that we have, 183 00:08:17,900 --> 00:08:21,940 the fee market is a bigger thing to consider when we have spam. 184 00:08:21,940 --> 00:08:25,160 So it's not that we have these certain transactions 185 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,500 that BIP-110 is attempting to restrict that causes spam. 186 00:08:28,500 --> 00:08:32,320 So it's just that it's really cheap to put things on chain 187 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,540 because there's no one trying to put things on chain right now. 188 00:08:36,540 --> 00:08:39,580 You know, a lot more stuff about dividing the ecosystem. 189 00:08:40,580 --> 00:08:43,020 But I also wanted to cover his, he makes a few predictions. 190 00:08:43,020 --> 00:08:48,240 He thinks a BIP-110 supporter will get desperate 191 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:53,280 around the time that the fork is going to activate 192 00:08:53,280 --> 00:09:00,680 and put CP on the chain is what he predicts. 193 00:09:01,180 --> 00:09:02,100 What else does he say? 194 00:09:02,100 --> 00:09:07,800 He says it won't activate by a 55% minor threshold. 195 00:09:07,900 --> 00:09:11,160 He thinks Ocean will be the only pool running BIP-110. 196 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:16,240 And if they stay on the fork, they'll only produce one to two blocks per day, 197 00:09:16,620 --> 00:09:21,580 and it will take them basically three years. 198 00:09:21,580 --> 00:09:26,080 to get to the next difficulty adjustment, which is two weeks or so. 199 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:33,420 So the rest of the network with a super majority of hash rate will take them two weeks. 200 00:09:33,500 --> 00:09:37,660 It'll take Ocean three years because they'll have such little hash rate. 201 00:09:39,580 --> 00:09:42,160 Yeah, that's kind of what's going on. 202 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,920 My prediction is that Ocean will capitulate. 203 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:50,920 I think they will, something will happen before activation 204 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,520 where it seems like it's not going to activate. 205 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,460 I think they'll just stop pretending that they're, 206 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,720 or stop believing that this will happen 207 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,720 and stop all the fun around it and stuff. 208 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:04,920 Are you looking for supers? 209 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:05,940 No, keep talking. 210 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,140 I was trying to get something ready here. 211 00:10:10,020 --> 00:10:12,240 Yeah, that's most of what I have to say. 212 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,240 It's like a nice, last week we covered, 213 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:24,400 Melvin Carvalho's pro BIP-110 website that was kind of like BIP-110 is inevitable. 214 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:26,340 There's no harm. 215 00:10:27,140 --> 00:10:28,040 It does no harm. 216 00:10:28,540 --> 00:10:29,180 It's great. 217 00:10:30,820 --> 00:10:32,580 It was relatively light on the details. 218 00:10:33,660 --> 00:10:36,860 And this is a blog against it. 219 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:45,140 I think that has enough detail where you can kind of understand what's going on and then think about it. 220 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:50,960 Hey guys, this is SupertestNet and today I just wanted to show off my latest invention, 221 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,900 which is Forkalicious. 222 00:10:52,900 --> 00:10:53,900 What is Forkalicious? 223 00:10:53,900 --> 00:10:56,920 Well, it is a fork visualizer. 224 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:03,140 It lets you visualize possible outcomes of the BIP-110 soft fork if it becomes contentious. 225 00:11:03,140 --> 00:11:04,140 And I want to show you guys how it works. 226 00:11:04,140 --> 00:11:12,480 Super made a really interesting video about the different scenarios that would happen if 227 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,680 the fork actually took place. 228 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:22,140 I think it's just a really good kind of base understanding of how it kind of takes what, I guess, Jameson Lomp was trying to do with words. 229 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:23,060 She's wearing her jacket. 230 00:11:23,660 --> 00:11:30,480 And this one feels a little bit more just kind of like educational so the plebs can kind of understand what's going on. 231 00:11:31,260 --> 00:11:32,780 But he kind of goes through it all. 232 00:11:32,820 --> 00:11:34,180 I definitely recommend checking it out. 233 00:11:35,780 --> 00:11:37,880 And, yeah, I think that's kind of my opinion on it. 234 00:11:37,940 --> 00:11:38,220 I don't know. 235 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,160 I've got a question about this. 236 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:42,560 Yeah. 237 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:45,580 Will there be a song 238 00:11:45,580 --> 00:11:48,260 For Galicious 239 00:11:48,260 --> 00:11:49,320 To come 240 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:50,740 That does sound like a 241 00:11:50,740 --> 00:11:51,620 For Galicious 242 00:11:51,620 --> 00:11:52,960 Oh yeah 243 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:53,500 Wow 244 00:11:53,500 --> 00:11:54,260 There's a 245 00:11:54,260 --> 00:11:55,000 We need it 246 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,220 What would be the backing 247 00:11:56,220 --> 00:11:57,360 Because you always use backing tracks 248 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:58,560 What would be the backing track though 249 00:11:58,560 --> 00:11:59,380 For Galicious 250 00:11:59,380 --> 00:12:00,080 That song 251 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,040 How does that song go 252 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,160 You know 253 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:03,740 I don't know 254 00:12:03,740 --> 00:12:05,500 I don't know 255 00:12:05,500 --> 00:12:06,440 I don't remember 256 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,400 Well if I sang a little bit of it 257 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:09,140 Just give me the hum 258 00:12:09,140 --> 00:12:09,160 Just give me the hum 259 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:10,360 YouTube would flag it 260 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:11,080 Just give me the hum 261 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:11,860 It's 262 00:12:11,860 --> 00:12:15,300 Oh, you're going to do it such a good job that YouTube's going to be like, this is copyright. 263 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:16,040 Exactly. 264 00:12:17,340 --> 00:12:19,220 The black eyed peas are not on this podcast. 265 00:12:19,220 --> 00:12:20,680 I'm trying to think which one's Fergalicious. 266 00:12:20,900 --> 00:12:24,700 This is like, is it that one? 267 00:12:24,900 --> 00:12:25,680 It's like a rap. 268 00:12:26,020 --> 00:12:26,360 Okay. 269 00:12:26,580 --> 00:12:27,840 Yeah, maybe Super can do that. 270 00:12:28,500 --> 00:12:34,620 But I think he's been doing a lot on his GitHub as far as like, there was this one, the Forgalicious one. 271 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,660 And then he made, what was the other one? 272 00:12:37,660 --> 00:12:45,240 the red yeah the red blocks one is another one that he made as well too um and basically this 273 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,180 one is when you load the site your browser connects to a semi randomly selected electrum 274 00:12:49,180 --> 00:12:54,200 server from which it downloads the latest bitcoin block headers for the current bit 110 signaling 275 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:59,680 window then it checks the data so he kind of basically saying that this will either uh this 276 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:05,480 will kind of show you more or less what the signaling is looking like right now for bit.10 277 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,540 anyway just wanted to highlight this because he's doing a lot of 278 00:13:08,540 --> 00:13:10,720 good work for the people 279 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,600 to understand what's going on 280 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,520 cool 281 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,160 um 282 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,300 you got any thoughts on this plot poet 283 00:13:18,300 --> 00:13:22,680 um 284 00:13:22,680 --> 00:13:24,720 this is definitely one of those things that 285 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,820 I don't 286 00:13:26,820 --> 00:13:28,540 invest a lot of time in 287 00:13:28,540 --> 00:13:29,060 so no 288 00:13:29,060 --> 00:13:30,720 alright 289 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,900 you got any more thoughts or you're good 290 00:13:33,900 --> 00:13:35,340 I think I shared 291 00:13:35,340 --> 00:13:36,980 my thoughts. Okay, cool. 292 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:39,740 And then, yeah, there's a lot of comments here. 293 00:13:39,900 --> 00:13:41,900 Dan has some stuff. Scoresby has some stuff. 294 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:43,700 That guy's a 295 00:13:43,700 --> 00:13:45,740 slopster. And then there's a lot of people that are 296 00:13:45,740 --> 00:13:47,600 outlawed down there. Or 297 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,760 downzapped. Or wherever they 298 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:50,400 are. Downzapped. 299 00:13:51,980 --> 00:13:52,840 Alright, cool. 300 00:13:53,500 --> 00:13:55,740 The next number two top story this week is 301 00:13:55,740 --> 00:13:57,240 Mt. Gox Collapse. 302 00:13:57,900 --> 00:14:00,060 The full story. This is from Raw Avocado. 303 00:14:00,780 --> 00:14:01,620 22 comments. 304 00:14:01,620 --> 00:14:03,340 11,000 sets. Keon, what's this? 305 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:05,020 Yeah, so I guess 306 00:14:05,020 --> 00:14:14,120 It was the 12-year anniversary on the 25th of February of Mt. Gox's, I think, ultimate demise. 307 00:14:17,620 --> 00:14:20,780 Most people know at least the high-level stuff. 308 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,500 They lost 850,000 Bitcoin. 309 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:30,480 And then Raw Avocado goes through what it looked like if you were kind of watching Mt. Gox 310 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,600 or participating in this while it was happening. 311 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:41,340 So I guess Mt. Gox had a public API that anyone could hook into and see internal transactions and status of withdrawals, which is pretty cool. 312 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:46,920 I don't know if any other exchange provides that level of visibility to internals. 313 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:58,600 But on February 4th, there were 41,000 Bitcoin transactions with one of these external monitoring tools that appeared to be in a bad state. 314 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:03,000 So the withdrawals were not confirming is what it indicated. 315 00:15:03,860 --> 00:15:09,480 Then Mt. Gox issued a statement about it saying that they were just having issues with very large transfers. 316 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,680 And it was only temporary and they had fixed the issue and it had come back. 317 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:21,220 And then a lot of people in the community who had quite a bit of Bitcoin or any Bitcoin on Mt. Gox, 318 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,300 they got afraid that something was happening. 319 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,360 They got suspicious that they were being maybe lied to. 320 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:33,220 And so kind of a bank run type scenario happened. 321 00:15:34,300 --> 00:15:39,300 And then Mt. Gox paused withdrawals entirely. 322 00:15:40,260 --> 00:15:45,240 I think that was, I don't know what date that was exactly, but I think that was shortly after the 4th. 323 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:55,960 And then on the 10th, they issued another statement saying that the bug causing them to halt withdrawals was a transaction malleability bug. 324 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:02,460 which is a well-known thing that most that really any exchange by that point had already taken care 325 00:16:02,460 --> 00:16:08,920 of maybe you know and so but it was it was kind of plausible that that is what went on but most 326 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:13,800 people were suspicious of that too because it was well known and there were known ways to work around 327 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:22,420 transaction malleability and then on the 14th one of those pictures you showed was colin burges 328 00:16:22,420 --> 00:16:24,880 who is still active in that guy 329 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,000 on the left there of the 330 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:27,900 top most picture 331 00:16:27,900 --> 00:16:31,080 he flew 332 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,260 to Tokyo and protested 333 00:16:33,260 --> 00:16:34,860 outside of their offices like 334 00:16:34,860 --> 00:16:37,300 and I guess that was like a bit of a media 335 00:16:37,300 --> 00:16:39,120 like attracted a lot of media 336 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:40,860 and there's Karpelis 337 00:16:40,860 --> 00:16:41,820 with 338 00:16:41,820 --> 00:16:45,020 with the dude there 339 00:16:45,020 --> 00:16:47,160 and he's got 340 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:47,680 his frat 341 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,420 let's see 342 00:16:50,420 --> 00:16:51,700 on, okay. 343 00:16:51,980 --> 00:16:52,500 Then on the 20, 344 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,040 so this all happened pretty fast. 345 00:16:54,380 --> 00:16:55,420 So two weeks later 346 00:16:55,420 --> 00:16:58,920 after those 41K Bitcoin were flagged, 347 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,260 Carpella stepped down 348 00:17:01,260 --> 00:17:02,380 from the Bitcoin Foundation. 349 00:17:02,660 --> 00:17:03,240 It's back when Bitcoin 350 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:04,020 still had a foundation. 351 00:17:06,260 --> 00:17:07,620 His Twitter was wiped 352 00:17:07,620 --> 00:17:10,160 and the website was taken down 353 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:10,900 and trading was suspended 354 00:17:10,900 --> 00:17:11,600 on Mt. Gox. 355 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,960 So shit really hit the fan. 356 00:17:16,180 --> 00:17:17,460 And then on the 28th, 357 00:17:17,460 --> 00:17:18,620 they filed for bankruptcy 358 00:17:18,620 --> 00:17:25,480 saying they had lost 750,000 Bitcoin that belonged to customers, 359 00:17:25,580 --> 00:17:27,580 100,000 Bitcoin that belonged to them. 360 00:17:29,340 --> 00:17:31,680 Then shortly after, a few people tried to figure out 361 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,880 what actually caused Mt. Gox to collapse and cause the loss of Bitcoin. 362 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:42,440 And Christian Decker and Wattenhofer, about a month later, 363 00:17:42,580 --> 00:17:46,320 they published a paper that demonstrated that only about 2,000 364 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:51,780 of the reported lost Bitcoin could have been lost due to the transaction malleability bug. 365 00:17:53,100 --> 00:18:02,680 And then someone else later did a deeper analysis that suggested that it was really a poor monitoring 366 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:11,500 of internal transfers that led to someone who had access to cold, who got ganged access 367 00:18:11,500 --> 00:18:13,260 to their cold storage wallets, 368 00:18:13,860 --> 00:18:17,400 was basically transferring money out of Mt. Gox over time, 369 00:18:17,540 --> 00:18:19,420 like slowly over time, several Bitcoin. 370 00:18:19,620 --> 00:18:21,760 But for quite a while before the collapse, 371 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,920 there was a huge gap in their accounting 372 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,340 where they did not have the Bitcoin that they were claiming they did. 373 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:34,220 I guess Karpelis got 11 months in prison only. 374 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,120 It was just pre-trial detention. 375 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,120 And then he got time served. 376 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:45,840 and he was acquitted of anything but lying about his digital accounting. 377 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:52,460 And then I guess shortly after this, they had recovered 200,000 Bitcoin 378 00:18:52,460 --> 00:18:53,960 and that's what we keep hearing about. 379 00:18:55,940 --> 00:18:59,420 Where they're going to disperse Mt. Gox's funds, 380 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,480 it's this 200,000 Bitcoin that were found after the fact 381 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,580 that they've been going through bankruptcy 382 00:19:05,580 --> 00:19:10,140 and trying to figure out how to give it to the victims of this collapse. 383 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,300 And that got pushed back recently, I think, to some date later this year. 384 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,200 And that is the story of Mt. Gox. 385 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:23,300 I did not have this much detail on the story of Mt. Gox before I read this, 386 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:24,940 so thank you, Raw Avocado, for that. 387 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,600 And that is all I've got. 388 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,100 Plot Point, you got any thoughts? 389 00:19:35,580 --> 00:19:47,560 All I can say is when I was moving this over to publish it in the zine, 390 00:19:48,660 --> 00:19:56,340 it was a lot of bold, one word bold, one word italicized. 391 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,300 And you don't just copy it? You have to do it by hand? 392 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:01,700 I have to do that by hand. 393 00:20:01,700 --> 00:20:03,980 and I'm not complaining 394 00:20:03,980 --> 00:20:05,980 but just think about me 395 00:20:05,980 --> 00:20:08,200 next time you make a post 396 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,460 that's really good and this was a really good post 397 00:20:10,460 --> 00:20:12,480 I think what's interesting 398 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:13,340 for me 399 00:20:13,340 --> 00:20:16,620 it's funny how over time the story changes 400 00:20:16,620 --> 00:20:18,500 slightly depending on who's telling it 401 00:20:18,500 --> 00:20:19,720 and 402 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,660 that's what I can get out of this 403 00:20:22,660 --> 00:20:23,640 particular post 404 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,280 so Peter McCormick did a whole series on 405 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:27,540 Mt. Gox back in 406 00:20:27,540 --> 00:20:30,260 2019 where he interviewed 407 00:20:30,260 --> 00:20:32,020 like all the people associated with Mt. Gox. 408 00:20:32,660 --> 00:20:35,660 The one particular that kind of skates away scot-free 409 00:20:35,660 --> 00:20:36,520 is always Jed McCaleb. 410 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,300 He was one that created Mt. Gox. 411 00:20:38,380 --> 00:20:40,400 So I would definitely take a look at all these old podcasts. 412 00:20:40,940 --> 00:20:43,440 Looks like they're probably not online anymore. 413 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:43,980 That sucks. 414 00:20:44,180 --> 00:20:56,958 It was a really good series He interviewed like everybody that was associated with Mt Gox So definitely check that out if you can find it Why did they willingly participate in the interview 415 00:20:56,978 --> 00:21:01,559 At the time, I think from what I remember at the time was like 2017, 2018. 416 00:21:01,559 --> 00:21:04,858 That's when Peter was like popping off as far as like the Bitcoin podcaster. 417 00:21:05,598 --> 00:21:11,039 And he would just like, he would just like hound them online publicly. 418 00:21:11,518 --> 00:21:12,178 So they said yes. 419 00:21:12,178 --> 00:21:14,618 My memory could be wrong, but like. 420 00:21:14,618 --> 00:21:16,539 I just remember at the time 421 00:21:16,539 --> 00:21:18,578 diving into all these podcasts 422 00:21:18,578 --> 00:21:20,598 because he was traveling all over the world 423 00:21:20,598 --> 00:21:21,318 to make this happen. 424 00:21:21,559 --> 00:21:23,178 Is it also giving them a chance to 425 00:21:23,178 --> 00:21:24,938 say their story? 426 00:21:25,658 --> 00:21:27,598 I would definitely check out all those old 427 00:21:27,598 --> 00:21:29,158 what Bitcoin did 428 00:21:29,158 --> 00:21:31,378 because you were actually talking to the people that were associated. 429 00:21:31,498 --> 00:21:33,118 I don't know if you ever interviewed 430 00:21:33,118 --> 00:21:34,378 Mark 431 00:21:34,378 --> 00:21:37,178 but it's probably out there if you did. 432 00:21:38,498 --> 00:21:39,218 Okay, so you think 433 00:21:39,218 --> 00:21:41,078 that left you with a different 434 00:21:41,078 --> 00:21:43,278 perception of what happened 435 00:21:43,278 --> 00:21:46,838 than this post or my description of this post. 436 00:21:47,418 --> 00:21:48,799 Wait, you wrote this? 437 00:21:48,858 --> 00:21:50,738 I thought this from Ronald Vakado guy wrote this. 438 00:21:50,978 --> 00:21:51,998 No, I did not write it. 439 00:21:51,998 --> 00:21:52,438 Oh, okay. 440 00:21:52,878 --> 00:21:56,278 I summarized it on this podcast right now 441 00:21:56,278 --> 00:21:57,818 for anyone who didn't read it, 442 00:21:57,878 --> 00:22:00,738 but you said that the story has changed over time, 443 00:22:00,858 --> 00:22:03,758 suggesting that the story that you heard 444 00:22:03,758 --> 00:22:05,738 by listening to Peter's podcast was different 445 00:22:05,738 --> 00:22:07,698 than the story this post told. 446 00:22:07,738 --> 00:22:08,218 Is that true? 447 00:22:08,378 --> 00:22:11,738 No, I said it's funny how over time the story changes. 448 00:22:11,738 --> 00:22:16,498 The story just changes depending on who's telling it. 449 00:22:16,818 --> 00:22:18,278 But I think that's just in history in general. 450 00:22:19,278 --> 00:22:21,498 Okay, so there's no difference between the story. 451 00:22:21,498 --> 00:22:22,858 Oh, yeah, there's a lot of differences here. 452 00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:24,878 Is there anything that stands out as a difference? 453 00:22:25,878 --> 00:22:29,598 Yeah, it kind of puts the blame singularly on one person here, 454 00:22:29,598 --> 00:22:32,778 and I don't think that's entirely accurate, 455 00:22:33,518 --> 00:22:35,878 based on what I remember when I was listening to this podcast. 456 00:22:36,578 --> 00:22:38,358 But, I mean, my memory could be fuzzy. 457 00:22:38,698 --> 00:22:40,338 I would say go listen to the podcast. 458 00:22:40,738 --> 00:22:41,698 This puts too much blame on Mark. 459 00:22:42,238 --> 00:22:42,778 I didn't say that. 460 00:22:42,778 --> 00:22:46,738 I just said that it's entirely fuzzy. 461 00:22:47,598 --> 00:22:52,018 There's a lot of fuzziness with my memory, but I'm not new into Bitcoin. 462 00:22:52,318 --> 00:22:54,518 It's coming in for the first time hearing about Mt. Gox. 463 00:22:54,558 --> 00:22:58,318 I think this is a good starting point, but I would say if you really want to know what's going on, 464 00:22:58,418 --> 00:23:02,838 go listen to the old Peter McCormick podcast because that's where they actually talk to people there. 465 00:23:03,478 --> 00:23:10,438 So I'm not sure even Raw Avocado knew that those podcasts exist, but this is why. 466 00:23:10,438 --> 00:23:11,539 I've got a question. 467 00:23:11,738 --> 00:23:13,218 around for a long time. 468 00:23:13,858 --> 00:23:15,838 Because you said from this post 469 00:23:15,838 --> 00:23:17,418 it was made clear like 470 00:23:17,418 --> 00:23:19,918 what happened to all that Bitcoin 471 00:23:19,918 --> 00:23:21,398 was that it was just like slowly 472 00:23:21,398 --> 00:23:22,718 siphoned out. 473 00:23:23,418 --> 00:23:25,998 And that was done by one person? 474 00:23:26,418 --> 00:23:27,338 Well, they don't know. 475 00:23:29,018 --> 00:23:30,318 Someone did an analysis 476 00:23:30,318 --> 00:23:30,958 I think 477 00:23:30,958 --> 00:23:33,918 a year or two later that suggested 478 00:23:33,918 --> 00:23:36,058 that it was this kind of 479 00:23:36,058 --> 00:23:37,198 slow leakiness. 480 00:23:37,198 --> 00:23:37,558 Right. 481 00:23:39,638 --> 00:23:41,198 Deductive reasoning with that. 482 00:23:41,198 --> 00:23:42,998 trying to account for all that Bitcoin. 483 00:23:43,278 --> 00:23:43,478 Yeah. 484 00:23:43,638 --> 00:23:43,799 Yeah. 485 00:23:44,018 --> 00:23:44,278 Yeah. 486 00:23:44,378 --> 00:23:44,658 But they, 487 00:23:44,778 --> 00:23:45,039 I mean, 488 00:23:45,078 --> 00:23:46,498 so it might not even be someone within, 489 00:23:46,778 --> 00:23:50,838 in the company because they had a breach of internal systems, 490 00:23:50,978 --> 00:23:51,978 I think in 2011. 491 00:23:52,498 --> 00:23:52,938 Oh. 492 00:23:53,278 --> 00:23:54,598 And so there's, 493 00:23:55,238 --> 00:23:57,498 you can't necessarily pin it on someone who works at the company. 494 00:23:57,658 --> 00:23:57,858 Yeah. 495 00:23:58,078 --> 00:23:58,358 Okay. 496 00:23:58,678 --> 00:23:59,638 I would listen to the podcast. 497 00:23:59,818 --> 00:24:01,358 It dives into all that stuff. 498 00:24:01,358 --> 00:24:03,258 Cause now that you're saying that it reminds me of, 499 00:24:03,318 --> 00:24:07,598 cause I remember there was blame pointed towards one guy and, 500 00:24:07,598 --> 00:24:11,078 And I think he asked them on the record about it. 501 00:24:11,278 --> 00:24:13,218 But it was a long time ago. 502 00:24:13,278 --> 00:24:16,678 I'm surprised anyone put money on Mt. Gox early on. 503 00:24:16,678 --> 00:24:21,758 I recall them requiring you send them cash in the mail. 504 00:24:22,458 --> 00:24:24,799 You had to send cash to Japan in the mail. 505 00:24:24,818 --> 00:24:26,438 I just remember there was a story. 506 00:24:26,498 --> 00:24:29,738 Because this is way after I had gotten into Bitcoin. 507 00:24:29,858 --> 00:24:32,878 But I just remember there was a story where Roger Ver was. 508 00:24:33,638 --> 00:24:36,578 He literally flew over there to buy Bitcoin. 509 00:24:37,598 --> 00:24:41,258 So I just remember that story being told. 510 00:24:41,658 --> 00:24:45,718 But then there's also that doubling down that he did at that time. 511 00:24:45,958 --> 00:24:49,258 I'd have to look for it where he doubled down on that there's solvent, 512 00:24:49,458 --> 00:24:50,858 and then he started crying. 513 00:24:50,978 --> 00:24:51,738 It was a whole thing. 514 00:24:51,898 --> 00:24:52,418 That's what I'm saying. 515 00:24:52,518 --> 00:24:57,938 There's a whole other side of this that's not getting covered. 516 00:24:58,539 --> 00:25:03,298 This was also covered in Digital Gold, the book Digital Gold, 517 00:25:03,298 --> 00:25:06,858 which I found a pretty good or a fun history of Bitcoin. 518 00:25:07,598 --> 00:25:11,118 delivered as a non-fiction book. 519 00:25:11,838 --> 00:25:16,198 And it describes Karpelis kind of discovering this issue 520 00:25:16,198 --> 00:25:18,598 where all of his cold wallets were empty. 521 00:25:19,558 --> 00:25:21,318 And he'd find one. 522 00:25:21,658 --> 00:25:22,658 They were storing them. 523 00:25:22,758 --> 00:25:25,258 I think they were paper wallets that he was storing in a safety deposit box. 524 00:25:25,398 --> 00:25:26,718 It was most of their cold wallets storage. 525 00:25:27,638 --> 00:25:30,698 And then he'd one by one go and check the address 526 00:25:30,698 --> 00:25:32,738 and try to send money out into the hot wallet 527 00:25:32,738 --> 00:25:34,598 and discover that they were completely drained. 528 00:25:35,058 --> 00:25:36,458 Dude, it's even worse than that. 529 00:25:36,458 --> 00:25:42,378 I was talking to an OG when I was in Tampa last year who used to run a Bitcoin company. 530 00:25:42,478 --> 00:25:43,258 I won't say who it is. 531 00:25:44,298 --> 00:25:52,378 But I believe him when he said, like, a lot of the stuff that they did was, like, you see the way we've hacked together stuff just in the lab. 532 00:25:52,578 --> 00:25:56,858 Like, they were doing stuff that wasn't even, like, I don't know. 533 00:25:56,858 --> 00:26:04,478 like it's just wild to think like how they were able to like duct tape all this stuff together 534 00:26:04,478 --> 00:26:10,818 and not knowing what you know all sorts of like how the private key public key stuff worked and 535 00:26:10,818 --> 00:26:19,658 yeah it's just pure a lot of guessing yeah it was quite great it was crazy when a lot of duct 536 00:26:19,658 --> 00:26:24,598 taping i think is kind of what he described it as but it was a different time in bitcoin 537 00:26:24,598 --> 00:26:27,798 I think Snackers don't realize how good we have it 538 00:26:27,798 --> 00:26:29,618 I mean the fact that Snacker News exists 539 00:26:29,618 --> 00:26:31,758 is like a lot of that was built 540 00:26:31,758 --> 00:26:32,338 on the 541 00:26:32,338 --> 00:26:35,178 the graves of others 542 00:26:35,178 --> 00:26:37,278 the graves of others 543 00:26:37,278 --> 00:26:38,878 I'm buried on 544 00:26:38,878 --> 00:26:41,318 not like entirely not dead 545 00:26:41,318 --> 00:26:43,718 but I mean as far as like companies that have died 546 00:26:43,718 --> 00:26:45,718 and people that went to 547 00:26:45,718 --> 00:26:46,958 jail stuff like that 548 00:26:46,958 --> 00:26:49,678 wait can I say one more thing about that 549 00:26:49,678 --> 00:26:51,178 Mal Gox post 550 00:26:51,178 --> 00:26:51,738 yeah 551 00:26:51,738 --> 00:26:53,938 that photo 552 00:26:53,938 --> 00:26:56,658 I'm impressed by the quality of that photo 553 00:26:56,658 --> 00:26:57,938 It was taken in Japan 554 00:26:57,938 --> 00:27:00,338 There was probably a guy who spent 555 00:27:00,338 --> 00:27:02,558 Half of his life building that one camera 556 00:27:02,558 --> 00:27:04,598 Yeah, a Fuji film 557 00:27:04,598 --> 00:27:06,458 It looks kind of AI generated 558 00:27:06,458 --> 00:27:08,539 That was going to be kind of my inference 559 00:27:08,539 --> 00:27:09,658 But you may be right 560 00:27:09,658 --> 00:27:11,498 It could have been upscaled 561 00:27:11,498 --> 00:27:12,738 Look at the guy's fingers on the left 562 00:27:12,738 --> 00:27:13,978 I think it was like a legit 563 00:27:13,978 --> 00:27:17,558 That looks like seven fingers over here 564 00:27:17,558 --> 00:27:19,798 Like news publication 565 00:27:19,798 --> 00:27:20,618 Photo 566 00:27:20,618 --> 00:27:22,738 With a real high quality camera 567 00:27:22,738 --> 00:27:25,718 Okay. Yeah. I see. I see. That's good. Okay. 568 00:27:26,478 --> 00:27:28,378 The number one story this week is, 569 00:27:28,539 --> 00:27:30,898 does having more pools reduce mining centralization pressure? 570 00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:33,778 This is from Scoresby, 23 comments, 14,000 sets. 571 00:27:33,878 --> 00:27:36,898 Keon, what Scoresby write about this week? 572 00:27:37,418 --> 00:27:40,539 Yeah, so mining trends towards centralization, 573 00:27:41,638 --> 00:27:44,078 and large pools have, 574 00:27:44,078 --> 00:27:47,738 because large pools have an advantage over small pools, 575 00:27:47,738 --> 00:27:57,158 mainly because of two reasons. Large pools find more blocks, and so they have blocks more frequently, 576 00:27:57,158 --> 00:28:02,638 and so they can pay out miners more frequently. And so there's like less variance in a miner's 577 00:28:02,638 --> 00:28:08,778 rewards of the money miners getting paid. It's like a company that pays you once per year rather 578 00:28:08,778 --> 00:28:14,898 than, you know, once per month or something. Or yeah, so split up over 12 months. So you have 579 00:28:14,898 --> 00:28:18,898 less variance in payouts when you join a large pool. The other thing is you have less latency. 580 00:28:19,118 --> 00:28:22,898 So if you're part of a large pool and they're finding their blocks more frequently, they have 581 00:28:22,898 --> 00:28:28,138 zero latency when they try to build on top of that new block. Like they don't have to wait for another 582 00:28:28,138 --> 00:28:33,958 pool or another miner somewhere else in the world to get them the latest block so they can build on 583 00:28:33,958 --> 00:28:42,618 top of it. So that gives them an advantage in terms of finding the next block. A slight advantage, 584 00:28:42,618 --> 00:28:43,539 but an advantage still. 585 00:28:43,658 --> 00:28:46,098 This is like Bitcoin mining is so competitive 586 00:28:46,098 --> 00:28:48,158 that these small advantages 587 00:28:48,158 --> 00:28:50,578 really end up making quite a difference. 588 00:28:51,818 --> 00:28:54,338 So a few years ago, 589 00:28:54,398 --> 00:28:57,098 they started something called the Fiber Network 590 00:28:57,098 --> 00:28:58,818 or the Bitcoin Relay Network. 591 00:28:58,958 --> 00:29:01,118 I think it later got rebranded to Fiber Network, 592 00:29:01,118 --> 00:29:07,898 but it exists to transmit compact blocks, 593 00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:12,178 like dispersed geographically very fast. 594 00:29:12,618 --> 00:29:24,458 And it uses UDP and does not validate the blocks, so it's also a trusted network, meaning this network does not peer with or does not accept blocks from just anyone. 595 00:29:24,578 --> 00:29:30,718 They only accept blocks from other people in the fiber network that they have agreed to accept blocks from. 596 00:29:30,718 --> 00:29:35,518 and so that 597 00:29:35,518 --> 00:29:39,258 reduces the latency 598 00:29:39,258 --> 00:29:41,318 with which blocks when they're found 599 00:29:41,318 --> 00:29:42,458 from one miner say 600 00:29:42,458 --> 00:29:45,158 in one part of the world 601 00:29:45,158 --> 00:29:46,738 they can get to a pool 602 00:29:46,738 --> 00:29:49,158 a smaller pool maybe somewhere else in the world 603 00:29:49,158 --> 00:29:50,078 and they 604 00:29:50,078 --> 00:29:52,838 local host research 605 00:29:52,838 --> 00:29:55,518 where'd you get this buddy 606 00:29:55,518 --> 00:29:58,638 that's amazing 607 00:29:58,638 --> 00:30:00,718 Did you taste it? 608 00:30:03,218 --> 00:30:03,878 Sorry, Keon. 609 00:30:04,298 --> 00:30:04,958 Oh, no, it's great. 610 00:30:05,038 --> 00:30:05,638 I love this. 611 00:30:06,238 --> 00:30:06,638 I love McConaughey. 612 00:30:07,398 --> 00:30:11,158 So whenever I see a McConaughey's, a new beer, it's like pretty funny. 613 00:30:11,158 --> 00:30:12,458 Is he your favorite person in the world? 614 00:30:12,558 --> 00:30:14,198 He's definitely one of my favorite Austinites for sure. 615 00:30:14,318 --> 00:30:15,338 You can see it right there, Steckers. 616 00:30:16,678 --> 00:30:17,118 McConaughey's. 617 00:30:18,298 --> 00:30:18,698 Hook up. 618 00:30:19,498 --> 00:30:20,138 All right, go for it. 619 00:30:21,358 --> 00:30:21,618 Yeah. 620 00:30:23,678 --> 00:30:24,398 What happened? 621 00:30:24,718 --> 00:30:25,198 Oh, yeah. 622 00:30:25,298 --> 00:30:26,498 So local host research. 623 00:30:26,678 --> 00:30:27,598 So they stopped doing this. 624 00:30:27,598 --> 00:30:32,418 I think they did a lot of work over the last few years on compact block relay, 625 00:30:32,778 --> 00:30:37,498 and it looked like these latencies had reduced more or less network-wide. 626 00:30:38,198 --> 00:30:45,278 I think before when there was like 5% of stale or orphan blocks getting mined, 627 00:30:46,398 --> 00:30:50,018 it's now well below that and pretty consistently. 628 00:30:50,018 --> 00:30:59,018 But I think this is done in anticipation of more miners building their own block templates, 629 00:30:59,198 --> 00:31:05,218 in which case we have a lot of smaller miners that need access to blocks faster. 630 00:31:05,418 --> 00:31:13,458 And so they want to make sure that there aren't incentives preventing people from building their own block templates. 631 00:31:13,458 --> 00:31:20,978 and they believe that having this low latency block propagation network will improve that. 632 00:31:21,878 --> 00:31:26,298 Anyway, so Scoresby writes about that and that effort to do that 633 00:31:26,298 --> 00:31:33,138 in order to describe to us one of Voskul's chapters from crypto economics 634 00:31:33,138 --> 00:31:40,658 that suggests, because Voskul is very, this is like one of Bitcoin's critical flaws, 635 00:31:40,658 --> 00:31:43,358 is the fact that mining pools have the centralization pressure. 636 00:31:43,458 --> 00:31:47,998 And so he wants a solution, obviously, because he thinks it's a critical flaw. 637 00:31:49,178 --> 00:31:56,298 And many people believe that because the fiber network reduces latency, it reduces the pool centralization. 638 00:31:56,438 --> 00:31:58,978 But Boeskul does not agree with that. 639 00:31:59,058 --> 00:32:02,838 He thinks that basically what it is is it's another centralized network. 640 00:32:02,958 --> 00:32:05,478 You're kind of solving one centralization problem with another. 641 00:32:05,878 --> 00:32:10,758 Because the network is trusted, it will tend to centralize. 642 00:32:11,178 --> 00:32:13,338 And maybe incentives get perverse or whatever. 643 00:32:13,338 --> 00:32:20,938 That is like Boeskel's argument is it's indistinguishable from like another pool starting up and doesn't really solve the underlying problem. 644 00:32:23,258 --> 00:32:29,358 And Scoresby used the fiber network announcement to discuss that. 645 00:32:30,898 --> 00:32:31,838 What was I going to say? 646 00:32:33,518 --> 00:32:35,218 There are some other interesting things. 647 00:32:35,218 --> 00:32:40,058 I guess I was surprised that we do not use UDP currently 648 00:32:40,058 --> 00:32:45,418 for peer-to-peer compact block transmission in Bitcoin already. 649 00:32:45,618 --> 00:32:48,898 I guess that's something that's projected to happen. 650 00:32:49,158 --> 00:32:51,138 It's on the roadmap that they'll eventually do that. 651 00:32:51,218 --> 00:32:53,898 I thought UDP was where you're sending packets, 652 00:32:54,178 --> 00:32:57,338 but you can also get drop packets in there. 653 00:32:57,898 --> 00:32:58,218 Yes. 654 00:32:58,538 --> 00:33:01,838 Right, so it's probably important not to drop any packets 655 00:33:01,838 --> 00:33:03,518 when you're sending a Bitcoin transaction, isn't it? 656 00:33:03,518 --> 00:33:05,518 No, but you're sending a block header. 657 00:33:05,718 --> 00:33:06,878 You're sending a compact block. 658 00:33:07,078 --> 00:33:10,338 You're sending enough that will fit in a single datagram. 659 00:33:10,478 --> 00:33:10,718 Okay. 660 00:33:10,838 --> 00:33:14,458 And if it gets dropped, you know. 661 00:33:14,618 --> 00:33:15,438 Yeah, I see what you're saying. 662 00:33:15,478 --> 00:33:16,938 Yeah, it's worth the lower latency. 663 00:33:16,938 --> 00:33:18,398 The drop rate is low. 664 00:33:20,158 --> 00:33:22,938 But you can add other layers that make this more reliable. 665 00:33:23,178 --> 00:33:30,518 You can make UDP reliable or as reliable as you need for a certain use case. 666 00:33:30,518 --> 00:33:34,498 and I'm surprised that Bitcoin hasn't developed something like that 667 00:33:34,498 --> 00:33:35,678 that works for compact blocks. 668 00:33:35,798 --> 00:33:42,458 But reading BitcoinCore.org, there are plans around doing that 669 00:33:42,458 --> 00:33:43,818 that just haven't gotten around to it yet. 670 00:33:44,358 --> 00:33:48,098 And it still would not be as fast as this fiber network 671 00:33:48,098 --> 00:33:51,138 because this fiber network is designed specifically for low latency 672 00:33:51,138 --> 00:33:52,198 and doesn't do validation. 673 00:33:52,418 --> 00:33:55,278 So you still have validation and stuff in the peer-to-peer, 674 00:33:55,378 --> 00:33:57,518 but it would still reduce latency overall. 675 00:33:57,518 --> 00:33:59,138 It's just, I think, hard to deliver. 676 00:34:00,518 --> 00:34:06,438 Anyway, I thought that, you know, just another Voskul point. 677 00:34:07,058 --> 00:34:12,218 I, you know, Merch comes in the comments and does not really, I don't think, I don't think 678 00:34:12,218 --> 00:34:13,999 I understand Voskul's point very well. 679 00:34:14,419 --> 00:34:21,939 It sounds like Merch disagrees because anyone can spin up one of these fiber networks and 680 00:34:21,939 --> 00:34:26,318 a miner is tied to a single pool. 681 00:34:27,078 --> 00:34:30,378 And there's no reason a miner can't connect to multiple fiber networks. 682 00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:32,638 that do this faster block propagation. 683 00:34:32,638 --> 00:34:35,318 So it has important differences. 684 00:34:37,658 --> 00:34:39,898 And it moves the issue to another layer 685 00:34:39,898 --> 00:34:40,898 with different trade-offs. 686 00:34:40,898 --> 00:34:43,078 And so I think there is an argument to be made 687 00:34:43,078 --> 00:34:46,358 that those trade-offs are better at that other layer. 688 00:34:46,358 --> 00:34:48,378 And it might actually, 689 00:34:48,378 --> 00:34:50,138 while it doesn't completely solve the problem, 690 00:34:50,138 --> 00:34:55,138 it reduces some of the harm 691 00:34:55,658 --> 00:35:00,038 or some of the reason to join a large pool for a miner. 692 00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:03,158 Great. 693 00:35:06,158 --> 00:35:06,878 Cool. 694 00:35:07,658 --> 00:35:09,419 I don't got any thoughts on this. 695 00:35:09,858 --> 00:35:11,138 I got a question. 696 00:35:12,578 --> 00:35:18,638 Do you know a good analogy for what the block template does? 697 00:35:20,098 --> 00:35:25,238 The block template being the order of transactions on the block. 698 00:35:26,198 --> 00:35:28,898 So what is a good example of a block template? 699 00:35:28,898 --> 00:35:33,519 Like when you're using Canva, you maybe have templates for like each thing. 700 00:35:33,658 --> 00:35:36,358 Like one is like, this is a poster. 701 00:35:36,838 --> 00:35:37,019 Yeah. 702 00:35:37,258 --> 00:35:40,778 This one is a cover to a magazine. 703 00:35:40,999 --> 00:35:41,218 Right. 704 00:35:41,238 --> 00:35:42,298 Those are like two different templates. 705 00:35:42,878 --> 00:35:49,318 And so Bitcoin blocks also have templates where someone like Luke might say, 706 00:35:49,439 --> 00:35:53,758 I want my template to have no data transactions at it. 707 00:35:55,098 --> 00:35:58,098 Which is like maybe that's the poster template. 708 00:35:58,098 --> 00:35:58,658 Yeah. 709 00:35:58,898 --> 00:36:04,479 And then someone like Bitcoin Core is like, well, we don't want to discriminate against any type of transaction. 710 00:36:04,698 --> 00:36:07,738 So that's the magazine cover template. 711 00:36:08,178 --> 00:36:16,959 And so you can kind of choose your template like you do in Canva when you're mining blocks under a regime where you are choosing your own template. 712 00:36:17,098 --> 00:36:19,658 Currently, pools say we're only doing posters. 713 00:36:20,358 --> 00:36:20,798 Right. 714 00:36:20,798 --> 00:36:23,258 And then another pool might say we're only doing magazines. 715 00:36:23,419 --> 00:36:28,798 And as a miner, that's kind of what you have to accept is like now you're only mining magazines. 716 00:36:28,898 --> 00:36:38,638 So I'm sure that then is like tied to like the amount of like compute that a miner is like, like, brings online. 717 00:36:40,718 --> 00:36:41,738 How do you mean? 718 00:36:41,818 --> 00:36:54,419 In order to, in order to mine a certain, a miner of a certain like capacity can reach, can win more templates than another? 719 00:36:54,878 --> 00:36:58,019 Oh, the template is what, is what they mine. 720 00:36:58,898 --> 00:37:04,818 If you're a larger miner, you perhaps have more say over the template that you're mining. 721 00:37:05,158 --> 00:37:05,398 Okay. 722 00:37:05,638 --> 00:37:05,959 Yeah. 723 00:37:06,698 --> 00:37:07,618 You can be more choosy. 724 00:37:08,419 --> 00:37:08,798 Yes. 725 00:37:08,798 --> 00:37:15,398 You might want complete control over the template and decide you don't want to do posters or magazines. 726 00:37:16,578 --> 00:37:21,979 You want to do conference background prints. 727 00:37:22,078 --> 00:37:28,338 Because I would imagine then what you're choosing for is the reward that you get on the other end. 728 00:37:28,898 --> 00:37:35,878 you might do it that way or you might be more ideological like oceans block template choices 729 00:37:35,878 --> 00:37:40,558 where they're basically saying we want no thing that we consider spam in these blocks yeah yeah 730 00:37:40,558 --> 00:37:49,039 okay cool stuff love to see it a lot of information here check it out stackers 731 00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:55,939 join in on the comments yeah that beer is pretty good isn't it yeah it's actually really good it's 732 00:37:55,939 --> 00:37:57,439 I don't know. 733 00:37:57,578 --> 00:37:58,479 It looks as a citrus. 734 00:37:58,678 --> 00:37:59,658 It's been around for a long time. 735 00:37:59,718 --> 00:38:01,298 I'm surprised you haven't seen one before. 736 00:38:01,598 --> 00:38:03,098 I've never seen one at a bar before. 737 00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:04,798 I love the name and the logo. 738 00:38:04,999 --> 00:38:06,059 It's so cool. 739 00:38:06,798 --> 00:38:07,459 So Austin. 740 00:38:09,258 --> 00:38:09,698 Cool. 741 00:38:09,818 --> 00:38:11,398 Let's jump into Wumble's Picks. 742 00:38:12,318 --> 00:38:16,778 This is Jana's Play Poets Dox's favorite picks of the week. 743 00:38:16,939 --> 00:38:20,138 It's called Wumble Picks. 744 00:38:21,459 --> 00:38:24,818 Keon Wumble wanted us to talk about this today. 745 00:38:24,818 --> 00:38:27,138 He said, Jack Dorsey fires many employees. 746 00:38:27,479 --> 00:38:31,138 This is from Gian, 18 comments, 2300 sets. 747 00:38:31,999 --> 00:38:32,999 What happened with Jack? 748 00:38:33,898 --> 00:38:34,658 Why don't you describe it? 749 00:38:34,678 --> 00:38:36,318 I think I've talked about more than this. 750 00:38:36,338 --> 00:38:38,218 This is how we do the show. 751 00:38:38,258 --> 00:38:39,298 This is not how we do Wombos picks? 752 00:38:39,578 --> 00:38:41,718 No, you set it up. 753 00:38:41,738 --> 00:38:42,378 Come on, Carl. 754 00:38:42,378 --> 00:38:43,638 Okay, I guess I can do it. 755 00:38:44,238 --> 00:38:47,378 I feel like you've probably thought about this and talked about this more than I have already. 756 00:38:47,818 --> 00:38:48,979 Okay, we can do it. 757 00:38:50,479 --> 00:38:54,039 Yeah, so basically Jack laid off a lot of people today. 758 00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:57,559 They got a really good compensation package, as he describes here. 759 00:38:58,838 --> 00:39:01,158 Made a lot of waves on the Twitter. 760 00:39:02,059 --> 00:39:06,578 Not so much on the other social platforms, but it was trending on Twitter. 761 00:39:06,778 --> 00:39:11,598 It was talked about on all sorts of podcasts and live news stuff. 762 00:39:12,999 --> 00:39:16,738 But yeah, he basically cut, I want to say, what is it right here? 763 00:39:16,798 --> 00:39:17,198 It says right here. 764 00:39:17,818 --> 00:39:22,059 We're reducing our organization by nearly half from over 10,000 people to just under 6,000. 765 00:39:22,059 --> 00:39:26,979 And that means over 4,000 of you are being asked to leave or entering into consultation. 766 00:39:28,258 --> 00:39:29,758 So that's pretty much what happened. 767 00:39:31,138 --> 00:39:34,479 And a lot of takes, a lot of people are saying it's AI related. 768 00:39:35,218 --> 00:39:40,939 A lot of people are saying that it's, you know, the state of the world, the state of America. 769 00:39:42,019 --> 00:39:44,378 Other people are saying it's part of the bear market. 770 00:39:44,378 --> 00:39:51,278 other people are saying it's this is trending from last year when you know um all other companies 771 00:39:51,278 --> 00:39:56,798 like amazon cut cut employees so this is just more of the same just kind of heading into the new year 772 00:39:56,798 --> 00:40:05,658 um but keon what do you think about all this yeah i think jack jack explicitly calls out ai is the 773 00:40:05,658 --> 00:40:12,278 reason they're making this choice um so that's i think the conclusion that most people are drawing 774 00:40:12,278 --> 00:40:15,999 basically saying that they've been 775 00:40:15,999 --> 00:40:18,758 leading in AI 776 00:40:18,758 --> 00:40:19,098 and 777 00:40:19,098 --> 00:40:23,959 they kind of understand AI so well 778 00:40:23,959 --> 00:40:25,019 that they know where it's going 779 00:40:25,019 --> 00:40:27,678 and that they don't need as many employees 780 00:40:27,678 --> 00:40:28,459 as they have 781 00:40:28,459 --> 00:40:30,758 because each employee that they have 782 00:40:30,758 --> 00:40:31,778 can be so much more productive 783 00:40:31,778 --> 00:40:34,358 they don't need the same head count 784 00:40:34,358 --> 00:40:35,158 that they might otherwise 785 00:40:35,158 --> 00:40:38,419 and that's why they're making this change 786 00:40:38,419 --> 00:40:40,638 that is my read of 787 00:40:40,638 --> 00:40:42,959 what he wrote here. I haven't 788 00:40:42,959 --> 00:40:44,198 spent a bunch of time 789 00:40:44,198 --> 00:40:46,919 looking at this thing. I know it is a hot 790 00:40:46,919 --> 00:40:49,059 area for a lot of people. 791 00:40:49,238 --> 00:40:49,678 It's a big news of the week. 792 00:40:49,919 --> 00:40:52,598 Could we maybe find in this tweet where he 793 00:40:52,598 --> 00:40:53,818 talks about AI? 794 00:40:55,598 --> 00:40:56,778 Yeah, I guess we can go there. 795 00:40:56,959 --> 00:40:58,218 Let me see if I can find it. 796 00:40:59,838 --> 00:41:01,078 Intelligence tools right there. 797 00:41:01,198 --> 00:41:02,919 The intelligence tools we're creating and using 798 00:41:02,919 --> 00:41:04,878 are enabling a new way of working 799 00:41:04,878 --> 00:41:06,979 which fundamentally changes what it means 800 00:41:06,979 --> 00:41:08,178 to build and run a company. 801 00:41:08,178 --> 00:41:11,338 accelerating rapidly. I don't think anyone would disagree with that. 802 00:41:12,098 --> 00:41:15,218 No. Are you here to defend Jack? 803 00:41:15,298 --> 00:41:18,878 I didn't realize I was dealing with his counsel. I don't think he needs defending. I would just say 804 00:41:18,878 --> 00:41:22,218 there was a hire that he did. 805 00:41:24,059 --> 00:41:26,019 Does he say it here or did I read it somewhere else? 806 00:41:26,019 --> 00:41:29,939 In 23 when OpenAI was taking off, he was 807 00:41:29,939 --> 00:41:33,499 putting together some sort of plan for this kind of AI 808 00:41:33,499 --> 00:41:45,437 innovation that was happening around the tech sector and he hired a really crucial hire last year to kind of come in the company and look at how everything was built 809 00:41:45,517 --> 00:41:46,277 how everything was structured, 810 00:41:46,657 --> 00:41:47,897 just more on the technology side. 811 00:41:48,557 --> 00:41:50,837 And so I think you're just kind of seeing more of that 812 00:41:50,837 --> 00:41:52,877 based off of that person that he hired. 813 00:41:53,217 --> 00:41:54,937 There's an article in... 814 00:41:54,937 --> 00:41:56,117 I don't think I posted it in here, 815 00:41:56,197 --> 00:41:57,677 but I posted it inside the Slack channel. 816 00:41:57,957 --> 00:41:58,537 I wrote it. 817 00:41:58,637 --> 00:42:04,557 There's an article about that basic hiring move that he did. 818 00:42:04,557 --> 00:42:08,957 And then I think that's just more, my take is more, that's probably where this is all coming from. 819 00:42:09,817 --> 00:42:12,217 And then he's just kind of implementing that. 820 00:42:12,297 --> 00:42:15,977 There are some other really nasty takes that you see online regarding this. 821 00:42:16,157 --> 00:42:22,857 But I think from what I can tell, what I've read, it seems like Goose is going to be a big part of what they're doing at Block. 822 00:42:23,397 --> 00:42:31,257 And, you know, all the stuff that Jack donates money to also is kind of moving in that direction as well, too. 823 00:42:31,257 --> 00:42:35,357 So I think you really don't need that many people anymore, 824 00:42:35,497 --> 00:42:37,057 especially if you have more on the open source side 825 00:42:37,057 --> 00:42:43,257 to kind of help you with a lot of the main business area stuff. 826 00:42:43,417 --> 00:42:45,037 So it kind of evens out. 827 00:42:45,877 --> 00:42:50,157 Yeah, my read is more so that this is not so much caused by AI. 828 00:42:50,437 --> 00:42:51,997 I think it's changed by AI. 829 00:42:52,377 --> 00:42:54,357 I would guess they were going to do these layoffs, 830 00:42:54,737 --> 00:42:58,017 whether AI, maybe not in this fashion all at once 831 00:42:58,017 --> 00:42:59,997 and with the severance package that they had. 832 00:42:59,997 --> 00:43:07,437 My read is, or my guess is that they were going to, they would have had these layoffs otherwise. 833 00:43:08,797 --> 00:43:13,577 They can afford to have them because they can make their existing employees more productive with AI. 834 00:43:15,237 --> 00:43:17,737 But I think AI is mostly a scapegoat. 835 00:43:19,097 --> 00:43:21,597 And I think we'll see a lot more of this. 836 00:43:21,917 --> 00:43:26,857 I think we'll see a lot more companies laying off people and saying they're laying them off because of AI. 837 00:43:26,857 --> 00:43:30,017 I don't think he uses it as a scapegoat. 838 00:43:30,177 --> 00:43:34,817 I think he's framing it that way because it has to be framed that way. 839 00:43:34,977 --> 00:43:38,637 I don't think you can be a publicly traded company and not frame something like that. 840 00:43:39,697 --> 00:43:43,417 But I do think it was probably your right. 841 00:43:43,497 --> 00:43:44,517 It's probably going to happen anyway. 842 00:43:45,077 --> 00:43:47,197 But you can't frame that to the public that way. 843 00:43:47,197 --> 00:43:54,097 Why do you think, not outside of block, but you're saying this will happen across other companies. 844 00:43:54,577 --> 00:43:54,817 Yeah. 845 00:43:54,817 --> 00:43:57,557 So if it's not AI, what is the cause? 846 00:43:58,877 --> 00:44:03,217 Mostly just economic macro conditions, 847 00:44:03,517 --> 00:44:07,617 earnings lowering as a result of interest rates increasing 848 00:44:07,617 --> 00:44:09,557 roughly three years ago. 849 00:44:10,477 --> 00:44:10,857 I don't know. 850 00:44:11,317 --> 00:44:13,677 I mean, I would love to hear Jack's side, 851 00:44:14,177 --> 00:44:15,637 especially if it's not in a tweet, 852 00:44:15,737 --> 00:44:16,777 like just hearing him talk. 853 00:44:16,857 --> 00:44:17,957 Maybe somebody can get him on a podcast 854 00:44:17,957 --> 00:44:19,377 or maybe he can come on Snackered News Live. 855 00:44:19,437 --> 00:44:19,737 I don't know. 856 00:44:20,137 --> 00:44:21,757 But it would be interesting to get his take on it. 857 00:44:21,757 --> 00:44:28,277 I definitely think the amount of money that he's putting into the open source community 858 00:44:28,277 --> 00:44:33,077 is also helping reduce that amount of organizational... 859 00:44:33,077 --> 00:44:35,297 Overhead. 860 00:44:35,477 --> 00:44:36,597 Yeah, for sure. 861 00:44:36,997 --> 00:44:39,997 Because a lot of the AI stuff is definitely open source. 862 00:44:40,197 --> 00:44:41,417 A lot of the Bitcoin stuff is open source. 863 00:44:42,157 --> 00:44:44,457 So he's kind of spending too much in one area, 864 00:44:44,557 --> 00:44:47,577 at least from what I'm looking at on the interwebs. 865 00:44:47,577 --> 00:44:48,477 But I could be wrong. 866 00:44:50,157 --> 00:44:50,597 Yeah. 867 00:44:50,597 --> 00:44:55,257 The interesting thing about using AI as the scapegoat is everyone's on Jack's side. 868 00:44:55,497 --> 00:44:58,117 There's no one who's sort of upset at Jack. 869 00:44:58,237 --> 00:44:59,097 They're just upset at... 870 00:44:59,097 --> 00:45:01,317 They put all their animus into... 871 00:45:01,317 --> 00:45:02,657 I don't think you could be upset with them, though. 872 00:45:02,777 --> 00:45:04,637 Did you see what their compensation package was? 873 00:45:04,817 --> 00:45:10,477 If it was an economic reason, would you be mad at Jack then, too? 874 00:45:11,077 --> 00:45:12,197 I'm not mad at Jack. 875 00:45:12,457 --> 00:45:13,797 But it sounds like... 876 00:45:13,797 --> 00:45:16,337 You say that he was upset, or people were upset. 877 00:45:17,137 --> 00:45:18,957 Or no one's challenging him on the AI thing. 878 00:45:18,957 --> 00:45:23,997 No one would challenge AI, but no one would challenge the economic reason either. 879 00:45:25,197 --> 00:45:27,517 Because it's just like the climate. 880 00:45:27,897 --> 00:45:29,617 It's not anything blog could have done differently. 881 00:45:30,557 --> 00:45:32,757 Yeah, maybe I'm missing the point. 882 00:45:32,877 --> 00:45:34,477 Maybe I'm not understanding the point I'm making. 883 00:45:34,817 --> 00:45:41,817 Because I'm having trouble understanding the way you're interpreting what I said. 884 00:45:41,817 --> 00:45:48,377 I don't know if I was saying that people should be behaving a certain way. 885 00:45:48,517 --> 00:45:48,877 I don't remember. 886 00:45:48,957 --> 00:45:54,537 No, I'm saying if he's doing payments and then he's doing AI stuff in the open source space, 887 00:45:54,757 --> 00:45:58,877 it only makes sense for him to reduce overhead like Plep Poet said. 888 00:45:59,377 --> 00:46:02,897 So I don't think that's like, he's actually doing what he's saying. 889 00:46:03,057 --> 00:46:05,557 It's just framed in AI because he's actually doing that, right? 890 00:46:06,157 --> 00:46:08,637 I don't think that's a reason to be upset about it. 891 00:46:09,037 --> 00:46:10,057 No, but I just... 892 00:46:10,057 --> 00:46:12,817 Or why people, not you, but why people should be upset about it. 893 00:46:12,977 --> 00:46:13,877 Because it's true. 894 00:46:14,037 --> 00:46:15,877 It's like the AI thing is true in there. 895 00:46:15,877 --> 00:46:16,637 No, it's true. 896 00:46:16,777 --> 00:46:18,757 But I think it's only part of the story. 897 00:46:18,957 --> 00:46:21,697 And that's kind of, that's the main point I'm trying to make. 898 00:46:21,697 --> 00:46:29,297 Are you more or less hinting at the fact that when Elon came into Twitter, he wiped out like half the company? 899 00:46:29,477 --> 00:46:31,557 But also that was because of AI too. 900 00:46:31,677 --> 00:46:32,537 I'm not talking about Elon. 901 00:46:32,717 --> 00:46:38,377 I'm mostly talking about other conditions that would lead a company to lay people off. 902 00:46:38,777 --> 00:46:41,457 That is like not even included as part of the story. 903 00:46:41,897 --> 00:46:43,997 And everyone's just like, oh, this is AI related. 904 00:46:44,557 --> 00:46:45,537 Oh, they're so good at AI. 905 00:46:45,937 --> 00:46:46,637 So what other conditions do you think it is? 906 00:46:46,637 --> 00:46:50,477 I think it's, what do I, what did you say? 907 00:46:50,777 --> 00:46:52,437 I said, what conditions do you think they are? 908 00:46:52,557 --> 00:46:52,977 I mean, obviously. 909 00:46:53,177 --> 00:46:54,757 I think earnings, no, I don't know. 910 00:46:54,817 --> 00:46:55,877 I don't know anything in particular, 911 00:46:55,997 --> 00:46:58,397 but my guess is that they were projecting earnings 912 00:46:58,397 --> 00:47:00,517 to not be as great. 913 00:47:00,917 --> 00:47:05,117 And in order to grow earnings at the rate that they needed to, 914 00:47:05,217 --> 00:47:07,837 they needed to reduce costs and lay people off, 915 00:47:07,877 --> 00:47:09,717 which is the same reason that any layoff happens. 916 00:47:09,717 --> 00:47:11,817 But that's the same thing what we just said, though. 917 00:47:12,117 --> 00:47:13,197 It's not the same thing. 918 00:47:13,237 --> 00:47:13,977 It is the same thing. 919 00:47:13,977 --> 00:47:15,437 Are details irrelevant? 920 00:47:15,437 --> 00:47:20,997 irrelevant are there shades of are there shades of colors or just is there only like full saturation 921 00:47:20,997 --> 00:47:27,517 oh man this is a good one it's not the same it's the same thing i see the same thing okay well it's 922 00:47:27,517 --> 00:47:33,197 okay well i'm not i'm not saying it's not okay i think it's just kind of weird that we're saying 923 00:47:33,197 --> 00:47:36,897 the same thing but you're you're like framing it in like it's more that's what i'm debating 924 00:47:36,897 --> 00:47:41,757 internal you're talking about the into but he's he's he's framing it like that though it's literally 925 00:47:41,757 --> 00:47:43,557 there framed. It's literally framed in a tweet. 926 00:47:44,137 --> 00:47:45,917 He's framing it what? He's framing 927 00:47:45,917 --> 00:47:48,017 it like it's an AI thing because it is an AI 928 00:47:48,017 --> 00:47:49,797 thing, Keon. No, that's what I'm suggesting. 929 00:47:49,917 --> 00:47:51,577 It isn't an AI thing. Okay. 930 00:47:52,077 --> 00:47:53,377 I think that's where we disagree. 931 00:47:54,017 --> 00:47:55,437 He's saying that it is a thing. Obviously we disagree. 932 00:47:55,637 --> 00:47:57,617 Yeah. But you keep... 933 00:47:57,617 --> 00:47:59,857 When I disagree, when I state 934 00:47:59,857 --> 00:48:01,837 the area, the thing that I disagree 935 00:48:01,837 --> 00:48:03,937 with you on, you're saying I'm not saying anything different. 936 00:48:04,677 --> 00:48:05,517 So I don't... It's like 937 00:48:05,517 --> 00:48:07,837 you say we disagree and then I explain my point. 938 00:48:07,877 --> 00:48:09,617 No, I'm saying you're saying it's because of 939 00:48:09,617 --> 00:48:11,717 economic reasons. It's internal to the company. 940 00:48:11,757 --> 00:48:13,737 and I'm saying that's the same thing as AI. 941 00:48:14,457 --> 00:48:15,617 I don't think it is. 942 00:48:16,337 --> 00:48:19,457 I don't think AI and economics are the same thing. 943 00:48:19,477 --> 00:48:21,977 Well, the unit cost, I mean, there's unit costs. 944 00:48:22,237 --> 00:48:25,517 I'm sure he has unit costs to every department that he's running there, right? 945 00:48:25,637 --> 00:48:28,657 So if a company, let's just say hypothetically, 946 00:48:28,777 --> 00:48:31,997 he hires somebody at $350K, hypothetically, right? 947 00:48:32,437 --> 00:48:35,437 Maybe before they were producing, before AI, 948 00:48:35,557 --> 00:48:37,037 they were producing a certain amount of work. 949 00:48:37,097 --> 00:48:38,877 He overhired for a different era. 950 00:48:38,997 --> 00:48:40,077 He even explains it in there. 951 00:48:40,077 --> 00:48:42,137 they had two separate companies overhired. 952 00:48:42,257 --> 00:48:43,277 This is why I was saying earlier, 953 00:48:43,357 --> 00:48:45,477 he hired this new guy last year, 954 00:48:46,037 --> 00:48:46,677 brought him in. 955 00:48:47,017 --> 00:48:48,617 He probably looked at everything and said, 956 00:48:48,697 --> 00:48:51,377 hey, we don't actually need this many people 957 00:48:51,377 --> 00:48:52,857 now because there's AI. 958 00:48:55,577 --> 00:48:57,397 I definitely think that's part of it. 959 00:48:57,397 --> 00:49:00,857 But I would argue that the decision, 960 00:49:01,357 --> 00:49:03,957 the motivation of the decision wasn't strictly AI, 961 00:49:04,237 --> 00:49:05,677 which is the way this is framed. 962 00:49:05,677 --> 00:49:14,817 I think it was probably more like a large chunk of traditional reasons why a company would downsize. 963 00:49:14,917 --> 00:49:18,757 They bloated during a period of very low interest rates. 964 00:49:20,237 --> 00:49:23,777 And now they're trying to compress back. 965 00:49:24,477 --> 00:49:32,097 But I mostly want to push back on people who are like AI doomers and think that this is caused by AI. 966 00:49:32,777 --> 00:49:34,317 I just don't think it's caused by AI. 967 00:49:34,317 --> 00:49:36,037 I think it's on some level, it's accelerated. 968 00:49:36,317 --> 00:49:37,497 It's changed by AI. 969 00:49:37,497 --> 00:49:39,097 It's part of the story, but not the whole story. 970 00:49:39,197 --> 00:49:40,637 Yes, part of the story, but not the whole story. 971 00:49:40,757 --> 00:49:41,317 And I think it's too... 972 00:49:42,097 --> 00:49:43,137 I think it's the same story. 973 00:49:43,417 --> 00:49:44,357 Oh, fuck off. 974 00:49:45,657 --> 00:49:49,437 I cannot, I can't, like, I can make, I start making half a point and you're like, you're 975 00:49:49,437 --> 00:49:50,857 saying the same thing. 976 00:49:50,957 --> 00:49:51,077 Yeah. 977 00:49:51,277 --> 00:49:53,457 Like, so I don't even know what the point of talking to you is. 978 00:49:53,697 --> 00:49:55,037 No, I'm just trying to do this for the show. 979 00:49:55,137 --> 00:49:56,177 But yeah, this is good. 980 00:49:56,297 --> 00:49:57,357 Stackers, put it in the comments. 981 00:49:57,837 --> 00:49:58,897 Let us know what you think. 982 00:49:59,457 --> 00:49:59,977 Who's right? 983 00:50:00,157 --> 00:50:01,317 Keon is right? 984 00:50:01,697 --> 00:50:02,997 Or is Carr wrong? 985 00:50:02,997 --> 00:50:03,957 So that's the option. 986 00:50:03,957 --> 00:50:05,577 But my point was just like, 987 00:50:05,837 --> 00:50:09,317 what is there to gain by being dishonest about it, I guess? 988 00:50:10,057 --> 00:50:11,257 Or AI just... 989 00:50:11,257 --> 00:50:13,317 I don't even think he's being dishonest. 990 00:50:13,377 --> 00:50:16,637 I just think he's framing it in an advantageous way, 991 00:50:16,717 --> 00:50:17,817 which isn't even bad. 992 00:50:17,937 --> 00:50:21,117 It's just I'm alerting people that the framing is, 993 00:50:21,117 --> 00:50:22,437 well, it's good for Jack, 994 00:50:22,557 --> 00:50:25,137 and it's bad for people's perception of AI 995 00:50:25,137 --> 00:50:26,377 and what it's going to do to the economy. 996 00:50:27,217 --> 00:50:29,917 That's really all I want to say is, 997 00:50:30,097 --> 00:50:32,457 I don't think this is AI's fault. 998 00:50:32,457 --> 00:50:34,637 and I don't think people need to get 999 00:50:34,637 --> 00:50:36,597 Doomer on AI because 1000 00:50:36,597 --> 00:50:39,017 Jack framed 1001 00:50:39,017 --> 00:50:40,917 his layoff 1002 00:50:40,917 --> 00:50:42,477 situation as an AI cause 1003 00:50:42,477 --> 00:50:44,797 but it just happens that whatever he says 1004 00:50:44,797 --> 00:50:46,977 is going to become a frame 1005 00:50:46,977 --> 00:50:48,437 yes exactly that's what I 1006 00:50:48,437 --> 00:50:50,097 keep hearing from people 1007 00:50:50,097 --> 00:50:52,797 originally this started out as Carr's description 1008 00:50:52,797 --> 00:50:54,257 is like this is caused by AI 1009 00:50:54,257 --> 00:50:56,517 and I just think that's 1010 00:50:56,517 --> 00:50:58,877 part of the story it's one framing of the story 1011 00:50:58,877 --> 00:51:00,937 the thing that everybody's saying online 1012 00:51:00,937 --> 00:51:03,177 and they're blaming the Twitter thing, 1013 00:51:03,277 --> 00:51:04,377 and then they're saying this again, 1014 00:51:04,497 --> 00:51:06,237 and then they're connecting the dots with Elon 1015 00:51:06,237 --> 00:51:09,597 and him as an operator of a company at this level. 1016 00:51:09,817 --> 00:51:11,457 And so, like, you see a lot of that debate. 1017 00:51:12,037 --> 00:51:15,077 I think that debate's kind of, like, not the same thing 1018 00:51:15,077 --> 00:51:17,457 because that was a social network built for a different era. 1019 00:51:18,117 --> 00:51:19,577 This one is, like, payments. 1020 00:51:20,217 --> 00:51:24,657 It's, like, literally our sector having a convergence with AI. 1021 00:51:24,657 --> 00:51:26,577 And then you see what's going on here in the lab. 1022 00:51:26,697 --> 00:51:28,717 Like, everybody's building three or four things at once. 1023 00:51:28,717 --> 00:51:32,137 It's like, yeah, I kind of understand where he's coming from. 1024 00:51:32,217 --> 00:51:33,017 It is an AI issue. 1025 00:51:33,117 --> 00:51:33,937 You don't need that many. 1026 00:51:35,357 --> 00:51:39,057 Yeah, anyways, that's my side of it. 1027 00:51:39,817 --> 00:51:40,357 Flip, what do you got anything? 1028 00:51:40,557 --> 00:51:43,737 AI is a big baddie to me. 1029 00:51:43,737 --> 00:51:44,797 I think it's a good thing. 1030 00:51:44,917 --> 00:51:45,637 I think it's a good thing. 1031 00:51:45,957 --> 00:51:46,737 I don't think it's a bad thing. 1032 00:51:46,857 --> 00:51:47,377 I think it's a good thing. 1033 00:51:47,637 --> 00:51:49,557 I think it's bad culturally, good economically. 1034 00:51:50,377 --> 00:51:52,237 Hey, I'm AI over here right now. 1035 00:51:52,637 --> 00:51:53,617 Yeah, we can all tell. 1036 00:51:53,717 --> 00:51:55,137 Hey, talk to your bot. 1037 00:51:55,137 --> 00:51:56,177 Hey, did you tell me? 1038 00:51:56,177 --> 00:51:57,297 Oh, my God. 1039 00:51:57,337 --> 00:51:58,117 Did you tell my joke? 1040 00:51:58,117 --> 00:51:59,797 No, I was going to give you the opportunity. 1041 00:52:00,177 --> 00:52:01,237 Block cut in half? 1042 00:52:01,577 --> 00:52:02,877 So what are they, rectangle now? 1043 00:52:03,657 --> 00:52:04,277 Come on, y'all. 1044 00:52:04,457 --> 00:52:05,657 I think it would be more like pyramid. 1045 00:52:05,777 --> 00:52:06,337 That's a mic drop. 1046 00:52:06,817 --> 00:52:08,257 Yeah, someone corrected me, and they're like, 1047 00:52:08,337 --> 00:52:12,517 it's a diaphragm or whatever. 1048 00:52:12,757 --> 00:52:13,557 A parallelogram? 1049 00:52:13,717 --> 00:52:15,057 Yeah, it was a parallelogram. 1050 00:52:15,417 --> 00:52:16,157 Oh, like a hexagram? 1051 00:52:17,277 --> 00:52:18,757 Is that what your virginity is? 1052 00:52:19,457 --> 00:52:19,697 Whoa. 1053 00:52:19,777 --> 00:52:19,977 Boom. 1054 00:52:20,137 --> 00:52:21,777 Whoa, he's had a couple beers, ladies and gentlemen. 1055 00:52:22,337 --> 00:52:22,877 It's fine. 1056 00:52:23,217 --> 00:52:24,177 It's a PG-13 show. 1057 00:52:24,177 --> 00:52:25,077 He's had a McConaughey's. 1058 00:52:25,217 --> 00:52:26,437 He's had some McConaughey's. 1059 00:52:26,437 --> 00:52:26,797 Okay. 1060 00:52:26,797 --> 00:52:28,037 All right, that's Wumble. 1061 00:52:28,157 --> 00:52:29,917 Oh, wait, we didn't get to Wumble's question. 1062 00:52:30,437 --> 00:52:30,677 Oh. 1063 00:52:31,357 --> 00:52:32,257 I'm sorry, Wumble. 1064 00:52:32,717 --> 00:52:33,657 I'm sorry, Wumble. 1065 00:52:33,997 --> 00:52:35,057 Dang, this is going to be a long show. 1066 00:52:35,817 --> 00:52:40,717 Wumble's question was, Keon, has AI reached a point where it can realistically replace 1067 00:52:40,717 --> 00:52:45,937 human workers or are business preparing for a future bear market? 1068 00:52:46,457 --> 00:52:49,277 Keon, what do you think for Wumble's picks? 1069 00:52:49,377 --> 00:52:50,877 It depends on what you mean by replace. 1070 00:52:51,477 --> 00:52:54,837 I think fundamentally you still need... 1071 00:52:54,837 --> 00:52:55,437 What are you doing? 1072 00:52:55,437 --> 00:52:58,137 Let me play it over here in the mic. 1073 00:52:58,917 --> 00:52:59,337 All right. 1074 00:53:00,457 --> 00:53:01,097 He's going to try. 1075 00:53:01,197 --> 00:53:03,477 He's going to show us open your screens on the thing. 1076 00:53:03,557 --> 00:53:06,057 Hey, Claude, what do you think of Stacker News? 1077 00:53:07,697 --> 00:53:08,917 Ah, Stacker News. 1078 00:53:09,117 --> 00:53:10,837 It's quite an interesting platform. 1079 00:53:11,257 --> 00:53:14,277 Mixing news, discussions, and social interaction, 1080 00:53:14,737 --> 00:53:17,417 especially in the tech and blockchain communities. 1081 00:53:17,517 --> 00:53:19,477 What do you think of the founder, Keon? 1082 00:53:19,577 --> 00:53:21,257 Is he a cool dude or is he a weirdo? 1083 00:53:21,257 --> 00:53:30,257 From what I know, Keanu seems like a passionate and innovative person, really driven to create something valuable for the community. 1084 00:53:30,417 --> 00:53:36,957 I think you're mistaking him for the samurai guy. Keanu is a different guy. 1085 00:53:37,657 --> 00:53:37,957 Dude. 1086 00:53:38,917 --> 00:53:39,717 All right, that was fun. 1087 00:53:39,757 --> 00:53:46,057 Ah, got it. My apologies for the mix-up. Keanu must have his own unique approach and contributions. 1088 00:53:46,817 --> 00:53:48,237 All right, shut up. 1089 00:53:48,237 --> 00:53:49,617 All right, well. 1090 00:53:51,257 --> 00:53:52,177 Oh. 1091 00:53:52,737 --> 00:53:53,177 Anyways. 1092 00:53:54,217 --> 00:53:55,597 We're sorry to embarrass you like that. 1093 00:53:55,717 --> 00:53:56,737 That was mean. 1094 00:53:57,017 --> 00:53:57,857 Who got embarrassed? 1095 00:53:58,037 --> 00:53:58,517 Did you get embarrassed? 1096 00:53:58,597 --> 00:53:58,857 I'm sorry. 1097 00:53:58,997 --> 00:54:00,077 Oh, yeah, I got really embarrassed. 1098 00:54:00,477 --> 00:54:02,077 So what do you think about what Wumble said? 1099 00:54:03,277 --> 00:54:08,037 Yeah, so I don't think we're going to see people exactly replaced. 1100 00:54:08,037 --> 00:54:11,077 I don't think it's like one-for-one computer to human. 1101 00:54:11,757 --> 00:54:18,777 If I were running a company, I'm not going to stick a computer where I have an employee and feel okay with it. 1102 00:54:18,777 --> 00:54:26,637 But I think we are going to have one employee manning perhaps multiple bots doing the job of more than one employee. 1103 00:54:27,917 --> 00:54:38,917 And so my whole point, my feeling about this is actually companies that want to grow will want more people steering bots than less people steering bots. 1104 00:54:38,917 --> 00:54:48,297 Because if every employee I hire, they can do 10x the work, that means that the productivity of my org increases with people still. 1105 00:54:48,777 --> 00:55:00,837 And so long as that's the case, each additional person I add can steer more bots and produce for me more of the value that my customers need, I'm going to still want people. 1106 00:55:00,937 --> 00:55:07,057 And if anything, they can return their value to me better than they could without AI before. 1107 00:55:07,557 --> 00:55:10,197 And so that's why I'm not an AI doomer. 1108 00:55:11,777 --> 00:55:16,257 I think what ends up happening is people work more. 1109 00:55:16,497 --> 00:55:17,597 They do more. 1110 00:55:17,717 --> 00:55:18,577 They produce more. 1111 00:55:18,777 --> 00:55:24,297 and companies need more people, want more people to steer AI, 1112 00:55:24,817 --> 00:55:26,977 because for every additional person they hire, they get, 1113 00:55:27,337 --> 00:55:29,917 they have a 10x on top of that person that they hire. 1114 00:55:31,517 --> 00:55:34,797 And so that's my read on what this brings. 1115 00:55:34,857 --> 00:55:36,317 I don't think it actually replaces humans. 1116 00:55:36,397 --> 00:55:37,917 It changes the nature of work. 1117 00:55:39,297 --> 00:55:43,297 But I think in general, it's good for employment, 1118 00:55:43,937 --> 00:55:47,877 and it's good for the economy, rather than bad. 1119 00:55:47,877 --> 00:55:49,637 I think it does replace humans 1120 00:55:49,637 --> 00:55:50,737 but we're not there yet 1121 00:55:50,737 --> 00:55:52,517 that's what I'll say about that 1122 00:55:52,517 --> 00:55:55,837 my thought here is 1123 00:55:55,837 --> 00:55:59,437 where does all of this 1124 00:55:59,437 --> 00:56:00,717 productivity go 1125 00:56:00,717 --> 00:56:04,297 what does it get 1126 00:56:04,297 --> 00:56:06,757 why do we want it 1127 00:56:06,757 --> 00:56:07,537 more 1128 00:56:07,537 --> 00:56:08,557 I would guess 1129 00:56:08,557 --> 00:56:10,517 stimulate the economy 1130 00:56:10,517 --> 00:56:11,597 we're already saturated 1131 00:56:11,597 --> 00:56:13,517 in terms of our 1132 00:56:13,517 --> 00:56:14,957 consumption 1133 00:56:14,957 --> 00:56:16,857 and the things that we value 1134 00:56:16,857 --> 00:56:17,597 I would guess 1135 00:56:17,597 --> 00:56:20,517 more niches get served. 1136 00:56:20,777 --> 00:56:22,457 Maybe there is an obscure feature 1137 00:56:22,457 --> 00:56:24,237 that you keep using Cash App. 1138 00:56:24,397 --> 00:56:26,217 That Cash App couldn't develop 1139 00:56:26,217 --> 00:56:28,237 because they couldn't have a team 1140 00:56:28,237 --> 00:56:30,177 dedicated to it, but it maybe helps 1141 00:56:30,177 --> 00:56:32,337 people out who have a certain kind of colorblindness 1142 00:56:32,337 --> 00:56:34,337 or something. But I would guess you have... 1143 00:56:34,997 --> 00:56:35,897 Oh yeah, so 1144 00:56:35,897 --> 00:56:38,317 not all of us have to be 1145 00:56:38,317 --> 00:56:39,817 hit over the head with 1146 00:56:39,817 --> 00:56:42,477 make everything accessible for everybody all the time. 1147 00:56:43,637 --> 00:56:44,017 No. 1148 00:56:44,117 --> 00:56:46,397 We can just make things accessible for one type of person 1149 00:56:46,397 --> 00:56:48,037 and somebody else can do it for somebody else. 1150 00:56:48,197 --> 00:56:53,617 I would guess we just completely saturate the market's demand for things better. 1151 00:56:54,497 --> 00:56:58,277 And then I don't think there is ever 100% saturation. 1152 00:56:59,157 --> 00:57:03,277 It's almost like the nature of the sponge changes as it gets more water into it 1153 00:57:03,277 --> 00:57:04,297 and it sort of expands. 1154 00:57:04,817 --> 00:57:09,597 And people want new things or combinations of things or separate things. 1155 00:57:09,597 --> 00:57:13,757 And what I would hope, and I don't think this is going to be the case, 1156 00:57:13,757 --> 00:57:19,657 but it would make people want to be in front of a computer less. 1157 00:57:21,097 --> 00:57:23,257 No, I don't think that will happen at all, unfortunately. 1158 00:57:24,437 --> 00:57:27,517 I think we've, it looks like we're getting some of, 1159 00:57:28,697 --> 00:57:31,237 I think that, I think, you know, well, I think it might happen, 1160 00:57:31,657 --> 00:57:33,817 but I still, it doesn't matter because they're going to be, 1161 00:57:33,917 --> 00:57:35,397 they're going to be interfaced to a computer 1162 00:57:35,397 --> 00:57:37,037 and they might not be in front of a screen. 1163 00:57:37,177 --> 00:57:39,337 That might be what I agree with on, agree on. 1164 00:57:39,797 --> 00:57:42,877 You might have, your husband might have dinner with you 1165 00:57:42,877 --> 00:57:44,557 and he's talking to his bot there. 1166 00:57:45,197 --> 00:57:45,597 Yep. 1167 00:57:47,077 --> 00:57:49,777 Rather than typing on a phone. 1168 00:57:50,577 --> 00:57:50,817 Yep. 1169 00:57:52,797 --> 00:57:53,557 Cool stuff. 1170 00:57:53,737 --> 00:57:55,137 Thank you, Womble, for that pick. 1171 00:57:56,437 --> 00:57:58,377 I thought it was going to be this week's top story. 1172 00:57:58,457 --> 00:58:00,797 That's why I had posted Jack in our cover art, 1173 00:58:00,877 --> 00:58:03,317 but apparently it's just Womble's picks. 1174 00:58:03,617 --> 00:58:05,737 Yeah, people have to zap it a lot. 1175 00:58:07,777 --> 00:58:09,777 Cool, we're going to jump into some of the AI stuff. 1176 00:58:09,777 --> 00:58:10,957 So this real quick. 1177 00:58:10,957 --> 00:58:13,217 So Perpexity Computer got released this week. 1178 00:58:13,997 --> 00:58:14,817 Pretty cool stuff. 1179 00:58:14,877 --> 00:58:15,557 Did you see this, Keon? 1180 00:58:15,737 --> 00:58:18,237 It was on... 1181 00:58:18,237 --> 00:58:19,197 Oh, that's loud. 1182 00:58:20,177 --> 00:58:22,537 So basically, it has some really cool music to it, 1183 00:58:22,577 --> 00:58:24,637 but as you can see there... 1184 00:58:24,637 --> 00:58:26,637 Let me do this in here because it's cleaner. 1185 00:58:27,617 --> 00:58:28,817 Oh, man, we got to get an ad. 1186 00:58:29,277 --> 00:58:29,697 No, thanks. 1187 00:58:30,337 --> 00:58:30,937 Let's wait a second. 1188 00:58:32,457 --> 00:58:33,437 All right, now we're good. 1189 00:58:35,057 --> 00:58:35,637 Go away. 1190 00:58:36,077 --> 00:58:36,837 All right, there we go right here. 1191 00:58:37,017 --> 00:58:38,317 So, Keon, did you see this? 1192 00:58:38,717 --> 00:58:38,897 No. 1193 00:58:40,957 --> 00:58:43,217 So basically it's just kind of running sub-agents. 1194 00:58:43,297 --> 00:58:45,877 It kind of just reminds me a lot of what OpenClaw is doing. 1195 00:58:46,377 --> 00:58:52,837 I think the only thing is it seems a little bit more advanced, slightly, 1196 00:58:53,057 --> 00:58:53,757 but I could be wrong. 1197 00:58:54,517 --> 00:58:58,697 But really just a video and a promise at this point. 1198 00:58:59,157 --> 00:59:00,457 Oh, they haven't released it? 1199 00:59:00,557 --> 00:59:01,037 I don't think so. 1200 00:59:01,137 --> 00:59:01,937 It's Vaporware? 1201 00:59:02,557 --> 00:59:04,117 No, I'm sure they have this. 1202 00:59:04,737 --> 00:59:05,957 Okay, it's not released yet. 1203 00:59:05,957 --> 00:59:08,097 It's kind of interesting, though, seeing Perplexity go this way. 1204 00:59:08,157 --> 00:59:09,257 This feels very Apple to me. 1205 00:59:09,277 --> 00:59:10,817 I'm surprised Apple hasn't bought them yet. 1206 00:59:10,957 --> 00:59:15,057 That's kind of where I'm wondering, when is Apple going to pull the trigger on that? 1207 00:59:15,857 --> 00:59:20,957 I think we've seen quite a few acquisitions happen in AI, and they haven't really done anything. 1208 00:59:21,697 --> 00:59:23,077 It just seems like sort of a waste. 1209 00:59:23,257 --> 00:59:28,617 I think it's just hard to predict where the market is going, and you make a decision on an acquisition, and acquisitions take a lot of time. 1210 00:59:29,217 --> 00:59:34,257 By the time the acquisition is done, it's like the market has already changed, and you've spent a billion dollars on something worth this. 1211 00:59:34,257 --> 00:59:34,997 Yeah, for sure. 1212 00:59:36,157 --> 00:59:37,957 This feels very Apple to me. 1213 00:59:37,957 --> 00:59:43,457 anyways just wanted to share that i thought that was really interesting uh zerox bitcoiner shared 1214 00:59:43,457 --> 00:59:51,077 it thank you and then the other one was um yeah so i've been seeing a lot of this this year the ai 1215 00:59:51,077 --> 00:59:54,597 bitcoin electricity takes i thought this was a really interesting post by south korea lightning 1216 00:59:54,597 --> 01:00:00,677 um he was talking about how like for the longest time in the 2020s everybody was talking about 1217 01:00:00,677 --> 01:00:07,357 electricity and how it's uh being utilized for bitcoin and how it's killing the the whales and 1218 01:00:07,357 --> 01:00:09,217 The electric city. 1219 01:00:09,717 --> 01:00:14,377 And the polar bears and all sorts of Iceland stuff. 1220 01:00:14,677 --> 01:00:15,917 Or maybe it was Greenland, I forget. 1221 01:00:16,377 --> 01:00:18,637 But now AI's here. 1222 01:00:20,237 --> 01:00:23,537 Not a thing, Keon. 1223 01:00:23,697 --> 01:00:24,437 Why is that? 1224 01:00:25,197 --> 01:00:25,637 Not a thing. 1225 01:00:25,637 --> 01:00:33,657 I think he says that his friend is against, or no, he's pro AI agents and cloud bots. 1226 01:00:33,657 --> 01:00:36,677 I think it's mostly that people just hate Bitcoin, 1227 01:00:36,797 --> 01:00:41,057 and that's why they were pushing against it in the earlier years. 1228 01:00:41,077 --> 01:00:42,337 Yeah, well, they don't see any point to it. 1229 01:00:42,497 --> 01:00:43,857 They don't get it because they're not using Bitcoin. 1230 01:00:43,997 --> 01:00:45,737 They don't see any benefit or have any use for Bitcoin. 1231 01:00:45,897 --> 01:00:47,917 They think they don't see any benefit to it. 1232 01:00:47,937 --> 01:00:50,937 They think it's wasted because it's like it's just us degenerates. 1233 01:00:51,117 --> 01:00:53,917 And then this guy who we all know. 1234 01:00:53,997 --> 01:00:55,757 Oh, no, can I not see it? 1235 01:00:55,817 --> 01:00:56,817 Oh, man, that sucks. 1236 01:00:57,637 --> 01:00:59,017 Anyway, well, this guy. 1237 01:01:00,697 --> 01:01:01,577 Gosh, that sucks. 1238 01:01:01,577 --> 01:01:03,597 so the 1239 01:01:03,597 --> 01:01:04,517 it's not going to show it 1240 01:01:04,517 --> 01:01:04,817 anyway 1241 01:01:04,817 --> 01:01:05,397 the guy 1242 01:01:05,397 --> 01:01:07,317 the guy from Clawbot 1243 01:01:07,317 --> 01:01:07,977 actually 1244 01:01:07,977 --> 01:01:10,657 was anti-Bitcoin 1245 01:01:10,657 --> 01:01:12,417 and he posted a lot of stuff 1246 01:01:12,417 --> 01:01:13,117 about electricity 1247 01:01:13,117 --> 01:01:15,737 about how 1248 01:01:15,737 --> 01:01:17,077 Bitcoin's a waste of electricity 1249 01:01:17,077 --> 01:01:18,837 it's killing whales and stuff 1250 01:01:18,837 --> 01:01:19,117 and 1251 01:01:19,117 --> 01:01:20,557 all sorts of things 1252 01:01:20,557 --> 01:01:21,137 and now 1253 01:01:21,137 --> 01:01:21,717 not a peep 1254 01:01:21,717 --> 01:01:23,317 hmm 1255 01:01:23,317 --> 01:01:24,257 well not a peep about AI 1256 01:01:24,257 --> 01:01:25,377 but I would guess 1257 01:01:25,377 --> 01:01:26,377 there's still people out there 1258 01:01:26,377 --> 01:01:26,917 complaining about 1259 01:01:26,917 --> 01:01:27,697 Bitcoin's electricity 1260 01:01:27,697 --> 01:01:29,357 I think most people 1261 01:01:29,357 --> 01:01:30,377 discovered after 1262 01:01:30,377 --> 01:01:31,457 they heard enough of this FUD 1263 01:01:31,457 --> 01:01:35,657 that most of the FUD was motivated by people thinking that Bitcoin was completely a waste. 1264 01:01:35,797 --> 01:01:36,897 Like it had no use. 1265 01:01:37,017 --> 01:01:42,877 This argument never made sense to me just because like cash in itself, all the ATMs, 1266 01:01:43,097 --> 01:01:50,197 like everywhere you go, like the banking system itself uses so much energy, like literal energy. 1267 01:01:50,437 --> 01:01:51,717 But to a normal person, that's money. 1268 01:01:52,417 --> 01:01:53,517 But they don't think of Bitcoin as money. 1269 01:01:53,517 --> 01:01:58,117 We have banks here in Austin right now that are empty, right? 1270 01:01:58,237 --> 01:02:00,757 Like there are people working in them, but no one goes to them. 1271 01:02:01,457 --> 01:02:03,357 I pass by a bank every day when I go to work. 1272 01:02:03,457 --> 01:02:04,417 It's just like no one's there. 1273 01:02:04,517 --> 01:02:07,437 No one's ever in that parking lot outside of the people that are working the thing 1274 01:02:07,437 --> 01:02:10,857 for that one or two people that go to the bank that morning, right? 1275 01:02:11,417 --> 01:02:12,817 It's so strange, dude. 1276 01:02:14,117 --> 01:02:16,577 I just think that uses way more electricity than Bitcoin. 1277 01:02:17,177 --> 01:02:19,557 But I'm super hardcore about Bitcoin. 1278 01:02:20,897 --> 01:02:22,997 I think it's probably true that it does use a lot more electricity. 1279 01:02:23,137 --> 01:02:24,437 I think people have tried to do analysis. 1280 01:02:24,617 --> 01:02:35,855 It hard to do end on a banking system which has so many of these inputs and outputs and stuff I just wanted to share this i think it it needs to be talked about you guys have seen the office right yeah 1281 01:02:35,855 --> 01:02:44,975 do you remember scranton what the electric city yeah okay cool any thoughts on this 1282 01:02:44,975 --> 01:02:49,975 because you were anti weren't you like on the green peace thing and everything at one time 1283 01:02:49,975 --> 01:02:53,195 yeah i thought you told us about like there was a time where you were like 1284 01:02:53,195 --> 01:02:55,815 full on the other side because you didn't see this side. 1285 01:02:56,175 --> 01:02:57,555 Before I was into Bitcoin, yeah. 1286 01:02:57,555 --> 01:02:57,815 Yeah. 1287 01:02:57,935 --> 01:03:01,955 Why do you think that has shifted now with AI 1288 01:03:01,955 --> 01:03:04,315 and everybody's just on board with it as far as the electricity? 1289 01:03:04,315 --> 01:03:05,855 I guess because it's what Kian was saying 1290 01:03:05,855 --> 01:03:08,535 because they find that AI is useful. 1291 01:03:10,355 --> 01:03:13,475 But if AI is useful, that also makes Bitcoin useful too 1292 01:03:13,475 --> 01:03:17,755 for agents to work together and coordinate. 1293 01:03:18,395 --> 01:03:19,315 I don't know. 1294 01:03:19,555 --> 01:03:20,555 And exchange value. 1295 01:03:20,715 --> 01:03:21,155 There you go. 1296 01:03:21,155 --> 01:03:24,175 It should if AI is become based. 1297 01:03:24,815 --> 01:03:25,755 If AI is become based. 1298 01:03:26,455 --> 01:03:29,775 Well, I mean, and AI is going to become based because you want them to be efficient. 1299 01:03:31,655 --> 01:03:32,875 That's what you would hope, yeah. 1300 01:03:32,875 --> 01:03:39,875 How long until they are based, though, or capable of being based when their owners, maybe, or operators are normal. 1301 01:03:40,695 --> 01:03:41,135 LARPers. 1302 01:03:41,375 --> 01:03:41,555 Yeah. 1303 01:03:42,455 --> 01:03:43,055 All right. 1304 01:03:43,115 --> 01:03:46,915 So we're going to jump into the final one. 1305 01:03:47,095 --> 01:03:48,995 This goes back to Wemble's pick. 1306 01:03:49,055 --> 01:03:50,495 I didn't even know Wemble was picking this. 1307 01:03:50,495 --> 01:03:53,695 Actually, I did, but this is not directly tied to it. 1308 01:03:54,015 --> 01:03:56,835 Burger King will use AI to check if employees say please and thank you. 1309 01:03:57,235 --> 01:03:58,355 I go to you, pleb poet. 1310 01:03:58,875 --> 01:03:59,995 What do you think about this? 1311 01:04:00,155 --> 01:04:00,775 Are you offended? 1312 01:04:01,175 --> 01:04:02,635 Does that lady offend you right there? 1313 01:04:02,775 --> 01:04:06,515 Burger King will use AI to check if employees say please and thank you. 1314 01:04:07,355 --> 01:04:09,355 Why would an employee say please? 1315 01:04:09,915 --> 01:04:10,315 Exactly. 1316 01:04:10,615 --> 01:04:11,795 Why would an employee say please? 1317 01:04:11,855 --> 01:04:13,775 Can you pull forward in the drive-thru, please? 1318 01:04:14,695 --> 01:04:16,195 Can I have your credit card, please? 1319 01:04:17,195 --> 01:04:18,315 There's no please necessary. 1320 01:04:18,315 --> 01:04:21,375 can you answer my question 1321 01:04:21,375 --> 01:04:23,195 about whether you would like fries with that please 1322 01:04:23,195 --> 01:04:25,455 I don't need them to say please 1323 01:04:25,455 --> 01:04:27,175 when was the last time you had Burger King 1324 01:04:27,175 --> 01:04:29,435 let's be honest now 1325 01:04:29,435 --> 01:04:30,655 Burger King? 1326 01:04:30,915 --> 01:04:32,175 oh I don't know 1327 01:04:32,175 --> 01:04:33,675 when was the last time you had a Whopper 1328 01:04:33,675 --> 01:04:36,775 but the subheading there 1329 01:04:36,775 --> 01:04:39,175 AI chatbot Patty is going to live inside 1330 01:04:39,175 --> 01:04:40,135 employees headsets 1331 01:04:40,135 --> 01:04:41,535 I don't like that 1332 01:04:41,535 --> 01:04:45,095 so I'll say that 1333 01:04:45,095 --> 01:04:46,395 you know what cars 1334 01:04:46,395 --> 01:04:48,775 Plutty Plutty Spidey Sense says about this? 1335 01:04:48,975 --> 01:04:49,575 Do you want to hear it? 1336 01:04:50,015 --> 01:04:50,495 Sure. 1337 01:04:51,155 --> 01:04:52,655 I think it's going to... 1338 01:04:52,655 --> 01:04:53,775 Oh, no, we got... 1339 01:04:53,775 --> 01:04:54,155 It's blocked. 1340 01:04:54,575 --> 01:04:56,175 I think what's going to happen is 1341 01:04:56,175 --> 01:04:59,255 we're going to get Patty right here replaced. 1342 01:05:00,395 --> 01:05:01,915 And they're training. 1343 01:05:02,455 --> 01:05:04,615 Yeah, the models are training right now. 1344 01:05:05,315 --> 01:05:06,275 They're going to have an LLM. 1345 01:05:06,275 --> 01:05:07,755 We're going to have a Burger King LLM. 1346 01:05:07,895 --> 01:05:09,115 And it's just literally going to be... 1347 01:05:09,115 --> 01:05:11,235 We already have that, like, internet cafe type of... 1348 01:05:11,235 --> 01:05:12,055 Or what is it? 1349 01:05:12,135 --> 01:05:12,315 Yeah. 1350 01:05:12,575 --> 01:05:12,735 What is it? 1351 01:05:12,735 --> 01:05:12,815 What is it? 1352 01:05:12,815 --> 01:05:12,875 What is it? 1353 01:05:12,875 --> 01:05:13,015 What is it? 1354 01:05:13,015 --> 01:05:13,075 What is it? 1355 01:05:13,075 --> 01:05:13,135 What is it? 1356 01:05:13,135 --> 01:05:13,155 What is it? 1357 01:05:13,155 --> 01:05:13,175 What is it? 1358 01:05:13,175 --> 01:05:13,195 What is it? 1359 01:05:13,195 --> 01:05:13,235 What is it? 1360 01:05:13,235 --> 01:05:13,275 What is it? 1361 01:05:13,275 --> 01:05:14,715 a couple of those. Oh, really? 1362 01:05:14,995 --> 01:05:17,295 Digital cafe, I think, or digital kitchen or something 1363 01:05:17,295 --> 01:05:19,315 like that. Wow. See, they're coming for 1364 01:05:19,315 --> 01:05:21,395 your jobs. Also, I've been into a couple 1365 01:05:21,395 --> 01:05:23,435 of McDonald's in the past couple of years. You walk 1366 01:05:23,435 --> 01:05:25,435 in and there's no people. There's just a screen. 1367 01:05:25,995 --> 01:05:27,195 Yes, it's pretty nice. I like it. 1368 01:05:27,415 --> 01:05:29,415 Yeah, you can just use the bathroom and not 1369 01:05:29,415 --> 01:05:31,435 have to feel awkward about it because you're not eating 1370 01:05:31,435 --> 01:05:33,315 there. You're just stopping in. 1371 01:05:33,455 --> 01:05:35,575 Do you know in Mexico they don't give you ice with your drinks? 1372 01:05:37,195 --> 01:05:37,935 How dare they? 1373 01:05:37,935 --> 01:05:39,355 Yeah, I was shocked too. 1374 01:05:40,435 --> 01:05:40,755 Anyways, 1375 01:05:41,355 --> 01:05:42,255 Burger King. 1376 01:05:42,255 --> 01:05:43,815 coming for your jobs. 1377 01:05:44,615 --> 01:05:46,415 Anyway, I just wanted to share that because I thought that was good. 1378 01:05:46,955 --> 01:05:47,175 Yeah. 1379 01:05:47,695 --> 01:05:48,835 We're going to jump into Keon. 1380 01:05:48,915 --> 01:05:49,735 Oh, no, Keon. 1381 01:05:49,815 --> 01:05:52,115 We're going to jump into Plot Poets Z. 1382 01:05:52,775 --> 01:05:53,095 Whoa. 1383 01:05:54,555 --> 01:05:56,235 Can I get a whoop, whoop? 1384 01:05:56,835 --> 01:05:58,175 Whoop, doggie. 1385 01:05:58,175 --> 01:06:00,735 What's going on with Adventures in Downsapping? 1386 01:06:00,935 --> 01:06:01,535 Number 48. 1387 01:06:01,715 --> 01:06:06,335 This is coming pivotal to the number 50 issue coming up here pretty soon. 1388 01:06:06,455 --> 01:06:07,095 Two weeks, but. 1389 01:06:07,495 --> 01:06:07,855 Shoot. 1390 01:06:08,175 --> 01:06:08,835 What's this? 1391 01:06:09,835 --> 01:06:10,135 Yep. 1392 01:06:10,135 --> 01:06:12,835 That was me holding up the zine 1393 01:06:12,835 --> 01:06:14,435 Because I wanted to show you that it was yellow 1394 01:06:14,435 --> 01:06:16,455 And there it is 1395 01:06:16,455 --> 01:06:20,555 Anything to say about this car? 1396 01:06:21,555 --> 01:06:22,075 Confused 1397 01:06:22,075 --> 01:06:24,695 The left side feels like a puzzle 1398 01:06:24,695 --> 01:06:26,955 The right side feels very 1399 01:06:26,955 --> 01:06:27,955 You know 1400 01:06:27,955 --> 01:06:29,855 Very different style this week 1401 01:06:29,855 --> 01:06:31,095 It's different, it's minimal 1402 01:06:31,095 --> 01:06:34,275 Is that all just you and like 1403 01:06:34,275 --> 01:06:35,395 Just ink? 1404 01:06:35,635 --> 01:06:36,515 I drew that, yeah 1405 01:06:36,515 --> 01:06:39,075 Except for the horse, I didn't draw the horse 1406 01:06:39,075 --> 01:06:40,115 I'm sorry about that. 1407 01:06:40,375 --> 01:06:41,875 Oh, I thought the horse might be you. 1408 01:06:42,115 --> 01:06:42,295 Wow. 1409 01:06:42,455 --> 01:06:43,555 Somebody else drew the horse. 1410 01:06:43,555 --> 01:06:44,635 It looks like he's missing a shoe. 1411 01:06:44,775 --> 01:06:45,615 And shout out to them. 1412 01:06:45,875 --> 01:06:46,635 Is that what's going on there? 1413 01:06:46,635 --> 01:06:47,715 He's missing a shoe there? 1414 01:06:47,855 --> 01:06:49,075 But he does have his hat. 1415 01:06:49,635 --> 01:06:50,975 Oh, that's nice. 1416 01:06:51,915 --> 01:06:53,375 So everybody's got their hat. 1417 01:06:54,875 --> 01:06:55,695 But no gun. 1418 01:06:56,115 --> 01:06:58,255 What's going on this week in the issue? 1419 01:06:58,375 --> 01:07:00,595 And no horse, but there's the horse right there. 1420 01:07:01,175 --> 01:07:04,795 So, yeah, what's going on is, you know, I'm putting, 1421 01:07:04,795 --> 01:07:07,355 I kind of had to invent like this new 1422 01:07:07,355 --> 01:07:09,335 segment over here on the right 1423 01:07:09,335 --> 01:07:11,215 and I'm calling 1424 01:07:11,215 --> 01:07:13,115 wait go back up to the top 1425 01:07:13,115 --> 01:07:15,115 okay so I'm calling it a builder boost 1426 01:07:15,115 --> 01:07:16,455 because it used to be the top boost 1427 01:07:16,455 --> 01:07:19,315 and now boost 1428 01:07:19,315 --> 01:07:21,155 is sort of behind the scenes 1429 01:07:21,155 --> 01:07:23,175 which is cool and I've appreciated that 1430 01:07:23,175 --> 01:07:25,435 but I kind of want to still like show off 1431 01:07:25,435 --> 01:07:27,195 at least like projects 1432 01:07:27,195 --> 01:07:29,175 right here so that's when somebody 1433 01:07:29,175 --> 01:07:31,075 announces a project hopefully I'll see it 1434 01:07:31,075 --> 01:07:32,335 and that's what I want to put right there 1435 01:07:32,335 --> 01:07:37,295 nice um that's very nice of you for sure what's on the left side here 1436 01:07:37,295 --> 01:07:44,435 um you do a comic every week or no uh i just changed the words of somebody else's comic 1437 01:07:44,435 --> 01:07:50,455 and it's sort of like um what's that guy from boston who was saying the british are coming 1438 01:07:50,455 --> 01:07:55,715 paul revere that's who it is i would have answered that question 1439 01:07:55,715 --> 01:07:58,555 we were literally talking about that earlier 1440 01:07:58,555 --> 01:07:59,955 in the lab. 1441 01:08:02,655 --> 01:08:03,295 And then 1442 01:08:03,295 --> 01:08:05,775 EK had a post that I put in there 1443 01:08:05,775 --> 01:08:07,975 and that was a bunch of code and that was fun. 1444 01:08:08,815 --> 01:08:09,475 Yeah, I saw that. 1445 01:08:09,595 --> 01:08:11,795 He posted that on his GitHub like a few weeks ago. 1446 01:08:11,855 --> 01:08:13,655 Up to the down zapping of it all 1447 01:08:13,655 --> 01:08:15,275 I tried to track 1448 01:08:15,275 --> 01:08:17,735 because I didn't have the room 1449 01:08:17,735 --> 01:08:19,755 to put all those posts so I tried to track 1450 01:08:19,755 --> 01:08:21,535 what was going on. Is this you too? 1451 01:08:21,755 --> 01:08:23,515 Are you also doing the illustrations here? 1452 01:08:23,735 --> 01:08:25,815 Yep. Just like the other ones 1453 01:08:25,815 --> 01:08:27,655 that I didn't draw, I drew 1454 01:08:27,655 --> 01:08:28,215 I threw that one. 1455 01:08:29,355 --> 01:08:29,755 Wow. 1456 01:08:30,695 --> 01:08:33,975 And it says how the internet was weird, and I changed the words. 1457 01:08:34,235 --> 01:08:38,195 So that's a down zapper right there, getting ready to take out that cowboy. 1458 01:08:39,335 --> 01:08:39,695 Interesting. 1459 01:08:40,175 --> 01:08:41,835 It almost feels like a story I'm reading now. 1460 01:08:42,215 --> 01:08:42,515 Right. 1461 01:08:42,515 --> 01:08:42,935 Kind of cool. 1462 01:08:43,035 --> 01:08:45,955 I would love to draw a comic every week, and I've wanted to, 1463 01:08:46,115 --> 01:08:47,695 but I just have a hard time doing it. 1464 01:08:48,275 --> 01:08:48,775 That's cool. 1465 01:08:48,895 --> 01:08:49,655 But I like how you're going. 1466 01:08:49,775 --> 01:08:51,055 Is there a comic in every page now? 1467 01:08:51,155 --> 01:08:51,555 Oh, wow. 1468 01:08:51,615 --> 01:08:52,475 No, not quite. 1469 01:08:52,475 --> 01:08:52,735 Interesting. 1470 01:08:53,195 --> 01:08:54,395 It was going there. 1471 01:08:54,555 --> 01:08:55,075 Not quite. 1472 01:08:57,655 --> 01:09:05,855 But, yeah, it was a lot about down zapping and the one who shall not be named is featured a lot. 1473 01:09:06,495 --> 01:09:07,275 Solomon Satoshi? 1474 01:09:07,415 --> 01:09:07,895 You're right. 1475 01:09:08,695 --> 01:09:10,015 But that's from Dan, though. 1476 01:09:10,615 --> 01:09:10,935 Yep. 1477 01:09:11,355 --> 01:09:12,415 But he was talking about him. 1478 01:09:12,595 --> 01:09:13,175 Oh, interesting. 1479 01:09:14,755 --> 01:09:16,095 And then that was from him. 1480 01:09:16,215 --> 01:09:20,955 And I put, I think I got, no, it's not all of the posts there, but most of it. 1481 01:09:20,955 --> 01:09:23,375 Oh, so you didn't block them on the zine. 1482 01:09:23,495 --> 01:09:24,115 Oh, there you go. 1483 01:09:24,275 --> 01:09:27,075 I actually don't have anyone muted on Stacker News. 1484 01:09:27,075 --> 01:09:27,835 Good for you. 1485 01:09:28,735 --> 01:09:31,695 And that's because I don't mind seeing things. 1486 01:09:31,775 --> 01:09:33,175 It doesn't hurt me to see it. 1487 01:09:33,455 --> 01:09:35,335 I can just scroll past it if I don't like it. 1488 01:09:36,835 --> 01:09:39,095 So I feel pretty strong in that regard. 1489 01:09:39,775 --> 01:09:41,095 Some people aren't that strong. 1490 01:09:41,175 --> 01:09:41,615 That's okay. 1491 01:09:44,415 --> 01:09:47,355 Takes mental work. 1492 01:09:48,235 --> 01:09:52,415 Takes looking away from the screen sometimes, touching grass, taking a walk. 1493 01:09:53,335 --> 01:09:54,335 Who made that? 1494 01:09:54,455 --> 01:09:56,195 Is that the one that you made in the thing, Kim? 1495 01:09:56,195 --> 01:09:57,495 I didn't make it. 1496 01:09:57,615 --> 01:10:01,335 It was 117 on Stacker Notes. 1497 01:10:01,535 --> 01:10:03,755 Yeah, I didn't give the credit to that. 1498 01:10:03,835 --> 01:10:04,675 I'm sorry about that. 1499 01:10:05,055 --> 01:10:06,135 I want to be there for Halloween. 1500 01:10:06,975 --> 01:10:08,055 Send that to me, 117. 1501 01:10:09,215 --> 01:10:11,455 It does look pretty real. 1502 01:10:11,815 --> 01:10:12,635 It does look pretty convincing. 1503 01:10:12,635 --> 01:10:13,875 It looks pretty cool, actually. 1504 01:10:13,875 --> 01:10:14,355 It suits you. 1505 01:10:14,595 --> 01:10:20,095 I think most people think Latin people are descendants of Asian people. 1506 01:10:20,855 --> 01:10:21,675 Definitely not. 1507 01:10:21,695 --> 01:10:22,155 It tracks. 1508 01:10:22,235 --> 01:10:22,775 That's offensive. 1509 01:10:23,155 --> 01:10:24,595 Oh, it's definitely true, dude. 1510 01:10:26,195 --> 01:10:27,555 And that's something that you could say. 1511 01:10:29,115 --> 01:10:30,375 And you went ahead and said it. 1512 01:10:30,715 --> 01:10:32,195 Yeah, never mind. I'll stop there. 1513 01:10:32,515 --> 01:10:33,115 All right, keep going. 1514 01:10:33,575 --> 01:10:34,575 That's the end of this. 1515 01:10:34,575 --> 01:10:34,975 Oh! 1516 01:10:35,375 --> 01:10:39,455 Yeah, that's the research project from Simple Stacker, which is cool. 1517 01:10:39,975 --> 01:10:40,455 Yeah. 1518 01:10:40,855 --> 01:10:41,695 I just appreciate all of them. 1519 01:10:41,695 --> 01:10:43,035 What's that QR code at the bottom? 1520 01:10:44,915 --> 01:10:46,315 It's the post QR. 1521 01:10:46,975 --> 01:10:47,095 Yeah. 1522 01:10:47,655 --> 01:10:47,915 Cool. 1523 01:10:49,035 --> 01:10:49,715 This is a great one. 1524 01:10:50,035 --> 01:10:52,295 This is Profile QR, but yeah. 1525 01:10:52,775 --> 01:10:53,675 This is a great one. 1526 01:10:53,675 --> 01:10:56,435 definitely an interesting 1527 01:10:56,435 --> 01:10:59,095 zine this week. Stackers, get your 1528 01:10:59,095 --> 01:11:00,735 zine. It's on sale now. 1529 01:11:01,355 --> 01:11:02,935 Let's go. Click this link 1530 01:11:02,935 --> 01:11:04,895 right here at the top. Yeah, you can 1531 01:11:04,895 --> 01:11:06,815 hold it in your own hands. You get this free 1532 01:11:06,815 --> 01:11:08,835 cat pic and you get this 1533 01:11:08,835 --> 01:11:10,215 free chart too as well. Boom. 1534 01:11:10,775 --> 01:11:12,455 And that cat is not a girl cat. 1535 01:11:12,675 --> 01:11:14,755 Making dreams happen. There we go. 1536 01:11:15,175 --> 01:11:16,795 Plot poet, you got any 1537 01:11:16,795 --> 01:11:18,875 so is this, you didn't tell me what this was 1538 01:11:18,875 --> 01:11:20,655 on the left side. Is this a puzzle? 1539 01:11:21,295 --> 01:11:22,895 No, that's just the classifieds 1540 01:11:22,895 --> 01:11:29,355 classifieds and there was somebody somebody bought this whole thing or i just i just put 1541 01:11:29,355 --> 01:11:34,735 something there so it's not blank but somebody bought think your local down zapper okay so i had 1542 01:11:34,735 --> 01:11:42,095 to put that in there and then somebody bought the other thing did you read that which one ss is coop 1543 01:11:42,095 --> 01:11:50,075 what's that mean well you said you said his name and oh solomon satoshi yeah whoa plot twist 1544 01:11:50,075 --> 01:11:53,435 tune in next week 1545 01:11:53,435 --> 01:11:55,615 if you will unmask 1546 01:11:55,615 --> 01:11:57,415 this person. There you go. 1547 01:11:57,595 --> 01:11:59,775 Now, I muted Salmatoshi a long 1548 01:11:59,775 --> 01:12:01,715 time ago. He's just so 1549 01:12:01,715 --> 01:12:03,235 hyped up on communism. 1550 01:12:03,475 --> 01:12:04,215 It's just unwind. 1551 01:12:04,995 --> 01:12:06,215 But that's Karstake. 1552 01:12:06,655 --> 01:12:07,895 Let's jump into 1553 01:12:07,895 --> 01:12:10,315 what we got next. Kian, you don't have anything? 1554 01:12:10,795 --> 01:12:12,075 We're going to jump to my picks. 1555 01:12:12,075 --> 01:12:13,535 So this got released 1556 01:12:13,535 --> 01:12:15,255 I think it was yesterday. 1557 01:12:16,295 --> 01:12:18,035 And I wanted to share this 1558 01:12:18,035 --> 01:12:19,975 video because it finally explains what point 1559 01:12:19,975 --> 01:12:26,535 payjoin is let me see if i click this no ads still ads well right here 1560 01:12:27,575 --> 01:12:32,455 going on chain more privately this video is made for you today i'm going to show you what is payjoin 1561 01:12:32,455 --> 01:12:38,455 and how to use yeah but he basically describes payjoin as you know it doesn't it's really cool 1562 01:12:38,455 --> 01:12:42,295 really informative video if you're interested in payjoin definitely check it out i thought this was 1563 01:12:42,295 --> 01:12:45,815 a really cool post kian have you looked into payjoin at all do you find it yeah we've talked 1564 01:12:45,815 --> 01:12:47,295 We talked about it several times on the podcast. 1565 01:12:48,075 --> 01:12:48,275 Okay. 1566 01:12:48,475 --> 01:12:48,875 Cool. 1567 01:12:49,135 --> 01:12:50,055 Just wanted to share that. 1568 01:12:50,295 --> 01:12:50,675 Bull Bitcoin. 1569 01:12:51,395 --> 01:12:52,815 Thank you for supporting Stacker News. 1570 01:12:53,495 --> 01:12:53,935 Appreciate you. 1571 01:12:55,235 --> 01:12:58,375 The next one I wanted to share was Project Hail Mary. 1572 01:12:58,935 --> 01:12:59,375 Boom. 1573 01:13:00,795 --> 01:13:01,835 Whoa, no, that's the wrong one. 1574 01:13:02,835 --> 01:13:03,835 Dang, I had a... 1575 01:13:05,415 --> 01:13:07,835 Hang on, I got to find it. 1576 01:13:09,335 --> 01:13:10,595 I guess it would be recent. 1577 01:13:13,235 --> 01:13:14,295 Project Hail Mary. 1578 01:13:15,815 --> 01:13:16,295 Boop. 1579 01:13:16,375 --> 01:13:17,535 I shared... 1580 01:13:17,535 --> 01:13:19,955 Dang, we got so many things in here. 1581 01:13:20,275 --> 01:13:20,795 Oh, there it goes. 1582 01:13:20,855 --> 01:13:21,055 Boop. 1583 01:13:21,275 --> 01:13:21,995 I shared this earlier. 1584 01:13:22,635 --> 01:13:24,135 It's one of the new movies that's coming out. 1585 01:13:24,195 --> 01:13:26,075 It's based on a book from the same guy who made The Martian. 1586 01:13:27,275 --> 01:13:28,435 Been getting a lot of reviews. 1587 01:13:30,435 --> 01:13:31,575 It looks really good. 1588 01:13:32,695 --> 01:13:33,675 Keanu, you gotta watch this. 1589 01:13:34,195 --> 01:13:34,915 It looks okay. 1590 01:13:35,315 --> 01:13:36,175 Who is this guy? 1591 01:13:36,275 --> 01:13:36,775 What's his name again? 1592 01:13:36,775 --> 01:13:37,335 Ryan Gosling. 1593 01:13:37,455 --> 01:13:38,275 Yeah, Ryan Gosling. 1594 01:13:38,415 --> 01:13:39,155 I'm not sure. 1595 01:13:40,295 --> 01:13:42,095 It just looks like a little comedic. 1596 01:13:42,095 --> 01:13:43,055 it looks like a little 1597 01:13:43,055 --> 01:13:44,275 like he's holding 1598 01:13:44,275 --> 01:13:45,275 like everyone's kind of 1599 01:13:45,275 --> 01:13:46,095 holding back laughter 1600 01:13:46,095 --> 01:13:47,475 in sort of an intentional way. 1601 01:13:47,575 --> 01:13:48,055 But The Martian 1602 01:13:48,055 --> 01:13:49,075 was kind of like that though. 1603 01:13:49,575 --> 01:13:50,295 The movie The Martian 1604 01:13:50,295 --> 01:13:51,015 was like that too. 1605 01:13:51,195 --> 01:13:51,695 Maybe it was. 1606 01:13:51,755 --> 01:13:52,395 I haven't seen it 1607 01:13:52,395 --> 01:13:52,915 in a long time. 1608 01:13:52,995 --> 01:13:53,935 I maybe only watched it once 1609 01:13:53,935 --> 01:13:55,695 but I kind of don't 1610 01:13:55,695 --> 01:13:57,215 it puts me off a little bit 1611 01:13:57,215 --> 01:13:57,875 because I'm like 1612 01:13:57,875 --> 01:13:58,535 are they 1613 01:13:58,535 --> 01:14:00,495 are they taking this seriously? 1614 01:14:00,935 --> 01:14:02,115 It like brings me 1615 01:14:02,115 --> 01:14:02,575 out of the movie 1616 01:14:02,575 --> 01:14:03,515 which is maybe interesting 1617 01:14:03,515 --> 01:14:04,635 to be like on the precipice 1618 01:14:04,635 --> 01:14:05,295 of feeling but 1619 01:14:05,295 --> 01:14:06,835 I don't 1620 01:14:06,835 --> 01:14:07,715 I don't 1621 01:14:07,715 --> 01:14:08,875 I'm sure I watch it. 1622 01:14:08,955 --> 01:14:09,455 I love sci-fi. 1623 01:14:09,755 --> 01:14:10,415 Yeah, Ryan Gosling's 1624 01:14:10,415 --> 01:14:10,975 pretty good at that. 1625 01:14:10,995 --> 01:14:11,235 He's good at that. 1626 01:14:11,235 --> 01:14:14,795 Like, yeah, that's like not overtly funny. 1627 01:14:15,175 --> 01:14:15,315 Yeah. 1628 01:14:16,515 --> 01:14:16,915 Yeah. 1629 01:14:16,915 --> 01:14:20,275 So the Martian was kind of like that, too, where there was like this joking thing that 1630 01:14:20,275 --> 01:14:21,035 Matt Damon did. 1631 01:14:21,555 --> 01:14:22,135 Yeah, that's true. 1632 01:14:22,355 --> 01:14:24,115 It kind of worked, though, for the movie. 1633 01:14:24,795 --> 01:14:25,255 I liked it. 1634 01:14:25,435 --> 01:14:26,215 It was fine. 1635 01:14:26,375 --> 01:14:28,035 Like, I didn't it didn't get me out of it. 1636 01:14:28,055 --> 01:14:30,835 But I just think all the cool sci fi stuff is really interesting. 1637 01:14:31,395 --> 01:14:35,115 This one's about the sun dying and having a disease. 1638 01:14:35,895 --> 01:14:36,575 Oh, OK. 1639 01:14:36,915 --> 01:14:37,095 Yeah. 1640 01:14:37,115 --> 01:14:37,835 Something like that. 1641 01:14:37,835 --> 01:14:43,015 But there's a really good movie called The Sunshine, or Sunshine, that talks about the Sun 9 and what would happen. 1642 01:14:43,835 --> 01:14:48,395 I wonder if it's a similar thing that was made by Alex Garland. 1643 01:14:48,695 --> 01:14:49,975 Isn't The Sunshine one a horror? 1644 01:14:50,615 --> 01:14:53,695 No, no, it's just, it starts off normal. 1645 01:14:53,895 --> 01:14:57,035 It's the same guy who made Alex Garland, the same guy who made, like, all the... 1646 01:14:57,035 --> 01:14:58,175 Does that have Jared Leto in it? 1647 01:14:58,655 --> 01:15:00,755 No, no, the guy from Appaheimers in it. 1648 01:15:02,255 --> 01:15:02,815 Oh, yeah. 1649 01:15:02,815 --> 01:15:08,215 But this one looks way more interesting because it looks like there's a twist with, like, actual aliens at the end. 1650 01:15:08,795 --> 01:15:09,695 I love aliens. 1651 01:15:10,035 --> 01:15:11,175 Apparently, it's getting a lot of reviews. 1652 01:15:11,315 --> 01:15:15,495 It's, like, it's going to be, like, one of the – it's, like, everybody's saying it's, like, the best movie ever. 1653 01:15:16,575 --> 01:15:17,555 But that could be a lie. 1654 01:15:17,655 --> 01:15:17,995 You never know. 1655 01:15:18,195 --> 01:15:19,195 Do we see Gosling's abs in this one? 1656 01:15:20,055 --> 01:15:20,595 What do you mean? 1657 01:15:21,515 --> 01:15:23,875 Do we think we see Ryan Gosling's abs? 1658 01:15:23,975 --> 01:15:26,215 We see him with long hair, so that's cool. 1659 01:15:26,555 --> 01:15:27,315 Okay, so that's – 1660 01:15:27,315 --> 01:15:28,175 Oh, you're saying abs. 1661 01:15:28,235 --> 01:15:29,035 I was like, what are you saying? 1662 01:15:30,075 --> 01:15:30,875 Yeah, I don't think so. 1663 01:15:30,935 --> 01:15:31,735 Do we get a shirt off scene? 1664 01:15:31,735 --> 01:15:33,595 no I think we get an alien scene 1665 01:15:33,595 --> 01:15:36,055 I think we definitely get him dying at the end for sure 1666 01:15:36,055 --> 01:15:37,055 though I don't know anything 1667 01:15:37,055 --> 01:15:40,135 the book was brilliant that's what Diego 1668 01:15:40,135 --> 01:15:40,435 said 1669 01:15:40,435 --> 01:15:43,375 definitely watching this the visuals 1670 01:15:43,375 --> 01:15:46,115 look so he runs into that at the end and then boom 1671 01:15:46,115 --> 01:15:47,795 look freaking E.T. bro 1672 01:15:47,795 --> 01:15:49,795 look at that 1673 01:15:49,795 --> 01:15:50,715 what the heck 1674 01:15:50,715 --> 01:15:52,995 oh it's only got three digits 1675 01:15:52,995 --> 01:15:55,755 it's probably the right amount 1676 01:15:55,755 --> 01:15:57,255 why would it be next to the sun 1677 01:15:57,255 --> 01:15:58,035 dun dun dun 1678 01:15:58,035 --> 01:16:00,995 we don't know anyways just want to share that 1679 01:16:00,995 --> 01:16:02,215 But that was cool. 1680 01:16:02,435 --> 01:16:06,975 Dude, what if it's like a sequel to E.T.? 1681 01:16:06,975 --> 01:16:08,815 Because that's like what E.T.'s hands were like. 1682 01:16:09,835 --> 01:16:10,215 What do you mean? 1683 01:16:10,355 --> 01:16:11,675 It was what E.T. was what? 1684 01:16:12,235 --> 01:16:13,075 E.T.? 1685 01:16:13,075 --> 01:16:13,435 Yeah. 1686 01:16:13,835 --> 01:16:14,575 It was about the sun? 1687 01:16:15,015 --> 01:16:17,395 No, but it had like three digits. 1688 01:16:19,395 --> 01:16:21,495 So it is E.T. because of the digits. 1689 01:16:22,175 --> 01:16:27,135 Could be, but one of the identifying marks of any race is the digits. 1690 01:16:28,335 --> 01:16:28,635 Wow. 1691 01:16:28,635 --> 01:16:29,795 Where's my post at? 1692 01:16:29,915 --> 01:16:30,935 I lost my post. 1693 01:16:30,995 --> 01:16:33,575 pretty out the speed 1694 01:16:33,575 --> 01:16:35,415 oh man 1695 01:16:35,415 --> 01:16:36,395 I can't find it 1696 01:16:36,395 --> 01:16:37,595 speaking of movies 1697 01:16:37,595 --> 01:16:38,355 and also 1698 01:16:38,355 --> 01:16:39,335 of Matthew McConaughey 1699 01:16:39,335 --> 01:16:41,315 recently 1700 01:16:41,315 --> 01:16:42,675 Matthew McConaughey 1701 01:16:42,675 --> 01:16:43,595 was here 1702 01:16:43,595 --> 01:16:44,115 with 1703 01:16:44,115 --> 01:16:44,975 Timothy Chalamet 1704 01:16:44,975 --> 01:16:46,055 at UT campus 1705 01:16:46,055 --> 01:16:46,775 just up the road 1706 01:16:46,775 --> 01:16:48,395 doing a 1707 01:16:48,395 --> 01:16:49,175 town hall 1708 01:16:49,175 --> 01:16:49,795 they called it 1709 01:16:49,795 --> 01:16:50,115 but really 1710 01:16:50,115 --> 01:16:50,455 they were just 1711 01:16:50,455 --> 01:16:51,135 talking about movies 1712 01:16:51,135 --> 01:16:51,615 I don't know why 1713 01:16:51,615 --> 01:16:51,995 they called it 1714 01:16:51,995 --> 01:16:52,675 a town hall 1715 01:16:52,675 --> 01:16:53,655 but it was cool 1716 01:16:53,655 --> 01:16:54,335 because they were like 1717 01:16:54,335 --> 01:16:54,875 it was like 1718 01:16:54,875 --> 01:16:56,515 hosted by like 1719 01:16:56,515 --> 01:16:58,115 the students 1720 01:16:58,115 --> 01:16:59,535 the film students 1721 01:16:59,535 --> 01:16:59,975 at UT 1722 01:16:59,975 --> 01:17:02,255 Did you share it on Snooker News? 1723 01:17:02,555 --> 01:17:04,095 Yeah, I could. I watched the whole thing. 1724 01:17:04,175 --> 01:17:06,015 They didn't really say anything groundbreaking, but 1725 01:17:06,015 --> 01:17:08,095 I liked it. I feel like 1726 01:17:08,095 --> 01:17:10,255 Timothee Chalamet is my friend, so it was fun to hang out 1727 01:17:10,255 --> 01:17:11,355 with him for a second. 1728 01:17:12,855 --> 01:17:14,155 How was he your friend? 1729 01:17:14,315 --> 01:17:16,115 In what sense? In the sense that 1730 01:17:16,115 --> 01:17:18,355 whenever he wins, I feel like I win. 1731 01:17:19,115 --> 01:17:20,315 Did he win the Oscar already? 1732 01:17:20,315 --> 01:17:21,175 Have they done the Oscars? 1733 01:17:21,475 --> 01:17:22,435 You guys are tight. 1734 01:17:23,455 --> 01:17:24,815 He did win the Oscars. 1735 01:17:25,335 --> 01:17:27,815 He won an award. I don't know if it was an Oscar, 1736 01:17:28,075 --> 01:17:29,555 but he won something. 1737 01:17:29,975 --> 01:17:34,515 And Dune 3 is going to be coming around here soon as well. 1738 01:17:34,715 --> 01:17:35,255 Check that. 1739 01:17:36,855 --> 01:17:38,035 I'm excited about that. 1740 01:17:38,315 --> 01:17:40,715 Wow, I can't find my post. 1741 01:17:41,295 --> 01:17:41,815 My bad. 1742 01:17:41,955 --> 01:17:43,555 I think there might be something wrong with search. 1743 01:17:44,875 --> 01:17:45,735 What are you trying to find? 1744 01:17:45,755 --> 01:17:48,595 Trying to find my Stacker News Live post. 1745 01:17:49,975 --> 01:17:50,995 That sucks. 1746 01:17:51,755 --> 01:17:53,855 It should be in... 1747 01:17:53,855 --> 01:17:55,155 Why are you on Top Post? 1748 01:17:55,155 --> 01:17:55,975 Go to New. 1749 01:17:58,735 --> 01:17:59,595 And there you are. 1750 01:17:59,595 --> 01:18:01,155 SNL number 213. 1751 01:18:01,415 --> 01:18:02,075 Oh, there it goes. 1752 01:18:02,295 --> 01:18:02,735 Gosh. 1753 01:18:03,095 --> 01:18:03,975 You're posting in Bitcoin. 1754 01:18:04,495 --> 01:18:04,815 Yeah. 1755 01:18:05,075 --> 01:18:06,675 I was like, where did it go? 1756 01:18:06,855 --> 01:18:10,515 Oh, the last thing I wanted to bring up was why we built the AI startup radio. 1757 01:18:10,595 --> 01:18:11,955 That's happening two weeks from now. 1758 01:18:12,015 --> 01:18:12,715 Can you believe it? 1759 01:18:13,895 --> 01:18:14,335 Yeah. 1760 01:18:14,375 --> 01:18:15,995 I wrote this article the other night. 1761 01:18:16,435 --> 01:18:19,975 Spent some time because I've been getting a lot of questions from the community, 1762 01:18:19,975 --> 01:18:25,995 but also from people just outside of our community asking me, 1763 01:18:25,995 --> 01:18:30,095 like why are we doing AI stuff in Austin directly related to Bitcoin? 1764 01:18:30,615 --> 01:18:35,235 And I wanted to write this to talk about like why I think it's important to do that. 1765 01:18:35,295 --> 01:18:36,175 We were talking about it earlier. 1766 01:18:36,615 --> 01:18:38,475 I was talking about earlier with Jana, 1767 01:18:38,735 --> 01:18:42,795 but I really believe that we're definitely in a bubble here in Austin 1768 01:18:42,795 --> 01:18:45,675 and there's definitely a bubble in San Francisco. 1769 01:18:46,335 --> 01:18:51,455 But I think there's just an opportunity here for us to really put Bitcoin at the forefront, 1770 01:18:51,455 --> 01:18:53,355 especially in Austin 1771 01:18:53,355 --> 01:18:56,455 because I think the payment solution 1772 01:18:56,455 --> 01:18:57,475 however it gets solved 1773 01:18:57,475 --> 01:19:00,195 I'm just really bullish on it 1774 01:19:00,195 --> 01:19:01,695 and I really want to see 1775 01:19:01,695 --> 01:19:04,355 normal AI folks 1776 01:19:04,355 --> 01:19:06,075 who are outside of our little bubble 1777 01:19:06,075 --> 01:19:07,975 in the Bitcoin ecosystem here in town 1778 01:19:07,975 --> 01:19:09,755 to get a chance to play with Bitcoin 1779 01:19:09,755 --> 01:19:10,395 for the first time 1780 01:19:10,395 --> 01:19:11,095 and see like 1781 01:19:11,095 --> 01:19:14,635 hey this could change my business 1782 01:19:14,635 --> 01:19:15,995 but yeah 1783 01:19:15,995 --> 01:19:17,075 I wrote a whole post about it 1784 01:19:17,075 --> 01:19:19,355 we shared some of the recent workshops 1785 01:19:19,355 --> 01:19:19,915 that we did 1786 01:19:19,915 --> 01:19:21,055 the Praveen one 1787 01:19:21,055 --> 01:19:26,995 the one with Eddie and yeah we also uh Darren also released the second version of Pleb TV 1788 01:19:26,995 --> 01:19:33,515 which is actually a lot more stable now but um yeah we've been posting a lot of stuff and then 1789 01:19:33,515 --> 01:19:40,295 we announced a startup school for later this year but you can sign up now we have one person who's 1790 01:19:41,015 --> 01:19:47,315 who's going to be coming from the Breeze uh um winner thing so he'll be in startup school this 1791 01:19:47,315 --> 01:19:52,375 year but we also have uh we're also taking applications now if you want to join and then 1792 01:19:52,375 --> 01:19:56,955 all the other stuff that the guys are building inside the lab but uh it's a long list yeah 1793 01:19:56,955 --> 01:20:04,835 anyways wanted to share that and um where is it out here and i think that's it 1794 01:20:04,835 --> 01:20:16,075 all right we're gonna jump into meta this is where it gets super spicy 1795 01:20:16,075 --> 01:20:17,775 Keyon 1796 01:20:17,775 --> 01:20:20,655 this one was this week 1797 01:20:20,655 --> 01:20:22,975 which it said why isn't there 1798 01:20:22,975 --> 01:20:24,815 a blankety blank version of 1799 01:20:24,815 --> 01:20:27,215 Stacker News? Yeah we usually go through 1800 01:20:27,215 --> 01:20:29,375 meta pretty fast and this is 1801 01:20:29,375 --> 01:20:31,195 Scoresby wondering about 1802 01:20:31,195 --> 01:20:32,875 Stacker News 1803 01:20:32,875 --> 01:20:35,315 there are a bunch of altcoins out there 1804 01:20:35,315 --> 01:20:37,635 why aren't any altcoins trying to build a Stacker News 1805 01:20:37,635 --> 01:20:38,795 and 1806 01:20:38,795 --> 01:20:41,455 so that's a legitimate question 1807 01:20:41,455 --> 01:20:43,555 there's a few that exist now 1808 01:20:43,555 --> 01:20:45,215 and are still alive that seem 1809 01:20:45,215 --> 01:20:47,555 functional and like they have customers. 1810 01:20:48,155 --> 01:20:54,895 One of them is Farcaster, which is kind of what does a lot of altcoins and I think it 1811 01:20:54,895 --> 01:20:56,775 focuses on like social trading. 1812 01:20:57,455 --> 01:21:00,575 He kind of explains that it like pivoted to becoming a wallet. 1813 01:21:01,395 --> 01:21:07,675 Yeah, more recently they're like, they realized that building the wallet is more valuable 1814 01:21:07,675 --> 01:21:08,995 to people and easier to do. 1815 01:21:09,215 --> 01:21:12,375 And so they focused more on the wallet. 1816 01:21:12,375 --> 01:21:15,655 and then people in the comments 1817 01:21:15,655 --> 01:21:17,315 I think 1818 01:21:17,315 --> 01:21:19,475 Scorsby is aware of Steemit but 1819 01:21:19,475 --> 01:21:21,655 describe Steemit a little more in the background 1820 01:21:21,655 --> 01:21:22,555 I remember Steemit 1821 01:21:22,555 --> 01:21:23,995 I guess one of the founders 1822 01:21:23,995 --> 01:21:26,275 this is trivia that merch dropped 1823 01:21:26,275 --> 01:21:29,575 one of the founders was the recipient of 1824 01:21:29,575 --> 01:21:31,615 Satoshi's message 1825 01:21:31,615 --> 01:21:33,575 if you don't 1826 01:21:33,575 --> 01:21:36,255 understand it I don't have time to explain it to you 1827 01:21:36,255 --> 01:21:37,815 so one of the founders 1828 01:21:37,815 --> 01:21:39,935 of Steemit was the one who Satoshi responded to 1829 01:21:39,935 --> 01:21:40,315 with that 1830 01:21:40,315 --> 01:21:40,795 Oh. 1831 01:21:41,575 --> 01:21:44,175 Yeah, Dan Lomer was a complete shit corner. 1832 01:21:46,015 --> 01:21:48,875 He was launching all the scams when I got started in Bitcoin. 1833 01:21:49,615 --> 01:21:50,015 Oh. 1834 01:21:50,495 --> 01:21:50,655 Yeah. 1835 01:21:51,375 --> 01:21:52,195 Made a lot of money, too. 1836 01:21:52,255 --> 01:21:53,475 He's probably retired somewhere on an island. 1837 01:21:54,835 --> 01:21:55,895 But, yeah. 1838 01:21:56,595 --> 01:21:57,575 Steemit, I remember that. 1839 01:21:57,935 --> 01:21:58,715 That was a big thing. 1840 01:21:58,855 --> 01:22:02,715 It was actually like a really big part of the crypto community at that time. 1841 01:22:03,235 --> 01:22:04,175 A lot of people were on there. 1842 01:22:04,595 --> 01:22:08,055 It was covered in the anarchist documentary on HBO Max. 1843 01:22:08,055 --> 01:22:08,235 Oh, for sure. 1844 01:22:08,235 --> 01:22:09,815 which Juan Galt was. 1845 01:22:10,555 --> 01:22:10,715 Yep. 1846 01:22:11,215 --> 01:22:11,975 I watched that, 1847 01:22:12,035 --> 01:22:13,755 but I don't remember the Steemit portion. 1848 01:22:13,935 --> 01:22:14,575 Yeah, they were talking about 1849 01:22:14,575 --> 01:22:15,315 riding on Steemit 1850 01:22:15,315 --> 01:22:16,175 earning like $11 1851 01:22:16,175 --> 01:22:19,335 and $10 worth of whatever. 1852 01:22:19,515 --> 01:22:19,815 Okay. 1853 01:22:20,795 --> 01:22:21,035 Yeah. 1854 01:22:21,355 --> 01:22:21,735 Tybo Gum. 1855 01:22:22,635 --> 01:22:23,115 Anyways. 1856 01:22:24,675 --> 01:22:25,195 Cool. 1857 01:22:25,195 --> 01:22:28,195 The next one was the... 1858 01:22:28,195 --> 01:22:30,215 Let's just get into it. 1859 01:22:30,415 --> 01:22:32,455 The Rise and Fall of Stacker News. 1860 01:22:32,895 --> 01:22:33,595 Peer-to-peer, 1861 01:22:33,695 --> 01:22:34,295 Valley for Valley, 1862 01:22:34,435 --> 01:22:36,395 that's the nominated social media platform. 1863 01:22:36,495 --> 01:22:37,195 And literally someone... 1864 01:22:37,195 --> 01:22:38,855 from Solomon Satoshi, 1865 01:22:39,355 --> 01:22:40,495 PlayPoet's favorite stacker. 1866 01:22:41,235 --> 01:22:43,215 113,000 sats, 1867 01:22:43,415 --> 01:22:45,395 22 comments. Key on 1868 01:22:45,395 --> 01:22:47,215 what is this Solomon 1869 01:22:47,215 --> 01:22:49,095 Satoshi guy or woman 1870 01:22:49,095 --> 01:22:49,715 talking about? 1871 01:22:50,795 --> 01:22:52,995 It appears Solomon 1872 01:22:52,995 --> 01:22:54,555 is upset 1873 01:22:54,555 --> 01:22:55,915 that 1874 01:22:55,915 --> 01:23:01,035 people aren't attaching sending 1875 01:23:01,035 --> 01:23:03,375 wallets and 1876 01:23:03,375 --> 01:23:05,475 that zaps happen 1877 01:23:05,475 --> 01:23:09,415 as CCs when people do not have the ability 1878 01:23:09,415 --> 01:23:11,455 to send non-custodial Bitcoin. 1879 01:23:12,615 --> 01:23:15,235 And for, I think it was like for two weeks, 1880 01:23:15,355 --> 01:23:17,855 he was on a bit of a down-zap tirade 1881 01:23:17,855 --> 01:23:19,935 where he was down-zapping 1882 01:23:20,513 --> 01:23:23,493 Anyone on the front page that did not have a gun. 1883 01:23:25,153 --> 01:23:27,433 And that was, you know, he felt like that was fair, 1884 01:23:27,533 --> 01:23:31,373 given that they were disrupting Stacker News' economy 1885 01:23:31,373 --> 01:23:35,533 by not inputting more sats or not zapping people's sats, 1886 01:23:36,113 --> 01:23:37,633 and instead zapping them CCs. 1887 01:23:37,793 --> 01:23:38,433 Wait, does he have a gun? 1888 01:23:39,253 --> 01:23:40,393 Oh, yes, okay, just making sure. 1889 01:23:40,613 --> 01:23:43,233 Yeah, he's very proud of his gun, and he reminds people all the time. 1890 01:23:43,393 --> 01:23:44,173 And it's Koinos. 1891 01:23:44,393 --> 01:23:45,793 Anyway, so he thinks this, he thinks this. 1892 01:23:45,793 --> 01:23:46,633 He reminds people all the time. 1893 01:23:46,633 --> 01:23:51,853 And then related to this, we've been reducing clutter on SACR News 1894 01:23:51,853 --> 01:23:53,773 and trying to reduce the number of concepts. 1895 01:23:53,953 --> 01:23:56,913 And one of the things that we knew we had overdone 1896 01:23:56,913 --> 01:23:59,013 was display too many badges next to names. 1897 01:23:59,833 --> 01:24:05,193 So we moved the horse and the gun to just the profile page. 1898 01:24:05,733 --> 01:24:09,633 So if someone wants to communicate their wallet status 1899 01:24:09,633 --> 01:24:12,173 or the badges that they have, they can put them in their profile. 1900 01:24:12,353 --> 01:24:14,453 But next to a name, we felt like it was too many things, 1901 01:24:14,493 --> 01:24:15,133 so we removed that. 1902 01:24:15,133 --> 01:24:17,873 But I think that was what really motivated this, 1903 01:24:17,933 --> 01:24:23,753 is he feels like I'm hiding from him something that he wants to know, 1904 01:24:23,933 --> 01:24:28,373 and therefore I am against people using Bitcoin on Stacker News. 1905 01:24:28,593 --> 01:24:29,413 Wait, does he watch this? 1906 01:24:29,533 --> 01:24:30,673 He probably doesn't even watch the show, right? 1907 01:24:30,913 --> 01:24:31,593 I have no idea. 1908 01:24:31,753 --> 01:24:32,173 He's commenting currently. 1909 01:24:32,533 --> 01:24:33,153 Oh, okay, cool. 1910 01:24:33,293 --> 01:24:35,193 We'll read the comments, Solomon, to Toshi. 1911 01:24:36,273 --> 01:24:38,393 Don't take offense to my jokes about the communism stuff. 1912 01:24:38,473 --> 01:24:39,593 That's just me being funny. 1913 01:24:39,593 --> 01:24:44,673 Yeah, but I wanted to cover this post because he boosted it quite high. 1914 01:24:45,133 --> 01:24:47,713 A lot of what he's saying here is accurate. 1915 01:24:49,093 --> 01:24:59,633 Yeah, he makes some points that I think are not terrible. 1916 01:25:00,413 --> 01:25:02,533 You want the card take or should Flipo go first? 1917 01:25:05,053 --> 01:25:10,433 What was in here is not what he's usually saying in the comments. 1918 01:25:10,593 --> 01:25:12,993 What he's usually saying in the comments is the same tired thing, 1919 01:25:13,153 --> 01:25:14,793 which anybody can see through. 1920 01:25:15,133 --> 01:25:18,753 that he's not the judge of all of us. 1921 01:25:19,753 --> 01:25:21,093 He's not holier than thou. 1922 01:25:21,973 --> 01:25:24,413 But it would appear that he has taken that stance. 1923 01:25:24,633 --> 01:25:25,013 Oh, wow. 1924 01:25:25,833 --> 01:25:27,333 I might have to unmute him now. 1925 01:25:27,973 --> 01:25:29,153 I mean, he made the top comment. 1926 01:25:29,413 --> 01:25:31,413 Well, he didn't technically make the top, but... 1927 01:25:31,413 --> 01:25:32,013 But here... 1928 01:25:32,013 --> 01:25:34,213 Sounds like he's having a conversation now. 1929 01:25:34,393 --> 01:25:37,133 Some of the history he presents is accurate. 1930 01:25:38,873 --> 01:25:43,753 And I actually did appreciate that it wasn't what I would expect from him 1931 01:25:43,753 --> 01:25:47,413 of just spewing a point of view, 1932 01:25:47,733 --> 01:25:49,573 although it does end up in that place. 1933 01:25:51,013 --> 01:25:53,573 My biggest gripe about this post in particular 1934 01:25:53,573 --> 01:25:57,153 is the way it's formatted is odd and hard to read. 1935 01:25:57,713 --> 01:26:02,393 I wish you'd use paragraphs, bro, in the proper way. 1936 01:26:02,393 --> 01:26:04,673 I think he was just in the moment. 1937 01:26:04,753 --> 01:26:05,613 This feels very emotional. 1938 01:26:06,633 --> 01:26:08,053 He writes everything like this. 1939 01:26:08,153 --> 01:26:08,753 Yeah, it's great. 1940 01:26:09,533 --> 01:26:09,793 Cool. 1941 01:26:10,173 --> 01:26:11,153 Do you want to hear my take, 1942 01:26:11,233 --> 01:26:12,853 or should I just maybe not say it 1943 01:26:12,853 --> 01:26:14,053 because it'll just stir the pot more, right? 1944 01:26:14,973 --> 01:26:16,373 You can share. 1945 01:26:16,473 --> 01:26:20,073 I just want to describe this, though, 1946 01:26:20,153 --> 01:26:37,575 as Solomon Satoshi thinks because of cowboy credits and the fact that he can see people whether they have a gun or not maybe it meaning an ascending wallet that Stacker News is dying So that is I want to you know that his point of view and I proud to share his point of view with you 1947 01:26:38,855 --> 01:26:40,056 All right, you ready for the car take? 1948 01:26:40,676 --> 01:26:48,336 So, I think there's, I think there's, you know, obviously, you've been muted by me, Solomon Satoshi, 1949 01:26:48,336 --> 01:26:51,616 but you suck as a person to talk to on Stacker News. 1950 01:26:51,616 --> 01:26:56,276 so that's why i got muted now it seems like you're actually having a conversation now so 1951 01:26:56,276 --> 01:27:02,276 i'll probably unmute you but i will say though that um yeah if you would have came in earlier 1952 01:27:02,276 --> 01:27:06,855 man in the early days stacker news was awesome it was great we had a custodial wallets lightning 1953 01:27:06,855 --> 01:27:14,676 was amazing and then uh you know the law the law won and eventually what happened is um 1954 01:27:14,676 --> 01:27:19,816 kian had to do non-custodial stuff and that's kind of the situation we're in i don't think it's 1955 01:27:19,816 --> 01:27:25,715 entirely been solved yet but at some point it will be and me who remembers from the early days 1956 01:27:25,715 --> 01:27:30,975 how amazing it was i think it'll get back there soon so hang in there buddy yeah that's that's my 1957 01:27:30,975 --> 01:27:35,536 take i'll just i'll just double click on what i was saying too like to that exact point that you 1958 01:27:35,536 --> 01:27:41,735 just made he is like honest about the reason for changes in stacker news is because of outside 1959 01:27:41,735 --> 01:27:47,635 pressure state pressure and i that didn't feel like something that would be he'd be honest about 1960 01:27:47,635 --> 01:27:49,255 based on other things you said. 1961 01:27:49,536 --> 01:27:52,776 Be clear, there was no direct state pressure. 1962 01:27:53,156 --> 01:27:54,075 There was anticipate. 1963 01:27:54,315 --> 01:27:57,396 We knew we were doing something that could be illegal. 1964 01:27:57,635 --> 01:27:57,815 For sure. 1965 01:27:57,975 --> 01:28:00,915 Or that could be prosecuted or prosecuted for doing something that was illegal. 1966 01:28:01,315 --> 01:28:04,235 Because we were taking custody of people's money 1967 01:28:04,235 --> 01:28:07,716 and allowing them while it was in our custody to transfer it to other people, 1968 01:28:07,915 --> 01:28:10,556 which is money transmission, which you cannot do without licenses 1969 01:28:10,556 --> 01:28:14,135 in nearly all of the United States and most of the Western world. 1970 01:28:14,135 --> 01:28:18,975 Yeah, I think the technology is getting solved now with a lot of what's out there. 1971 01:28:19,176 --> 01:28:24,156 And I think even Justin from Shrunk Wallet has made it really easy to integrate his wallet in there. 1972 01:28:24,815 --> 01:28:30,896 So why haven't I done it personally is because I'm waiting for Keon to make it really, really, really, really easy for me. 1973 01:28:31,375 --> 01:28:32,976 Just like he reads the news to me every week. 1974 01:28:32,995 --> 01:28:33,695 I want it that easy. 1975 01:28:34,295 --> 01:28:39,676 I'm kind of like the DarthCoin flavor of this where it's like I want to take the stats home and keep them there. 1976 01:28:40,355 --> 01:28:40,836 There you go. 1977 01:28:40,836 --> 01:28:48,276 and exchange cc's when i have them there you go it works there's a lot of comments here he's 1978 01:28:48,276 --> 01:28:55,596 responding to all of them so jump in there if you have some opinions um but yeah well look at that 1979 01:28:55,596 --> 01:29:00,556 shootout at the bottom keep the memes coming though this is awesome oh they should do the 1980 01:29:00,556 --> 01:29:05,956 back to the future one anyways um should we read the comments now or should we save that yeah we 1981 01:29:05,956 --> 01:29:07,036 Yes, we'll save that for the end. 1982 01:29:07,836 --> 01:29:10,075 We had a couple... 1983 01:29:10,075 --> 01:29:10,995 Oh, no, we had this one. 1984 01:29:11,755 --> 01:29:12,875 This was the other meta thing that you had. 1985 01:29:13,635 --> 01:29:15,596 We didn't talk about this release. 1986 01:29:17,355 --> 01:29:19,495 Yeah, this was just for people to see 1987 01:29:19,495 --> 01:29:22,456 what content was most downzapped on a given day. 1988 01:29:23,195 --> 01:29:24,755 Because we were having these huge shootouts 1989 01:29:24,755 --> 01:29:27,195 of zaps and downzaps where 1990 01:29:27,195 --> 01:29:39,818 it seemed like mostly Solomon who was copped to it was downzapping a lot of content And without the ability to see what was getting down people couldn fight back very easily 1991 01:29:40,418 --> 01:29:45,718 So that's what this was released for, is for people to be able to shoot out on fair terms. 1992 01:29:47,018 --> 01:29:54,138 And then the other release was that a slight fix to prisms or these forwards. 1993 01:29:54,138 --> 01:29:58,978 When you forward sats to someone on a post, they can now, the largest share of the split, 1994 01:29:59,198 --> 01:30:00,258 can be non-custodial. 1995 01:30:02,938 --> 01:30:04,778 I'm still trying to get used to the whole lit thing. 1996 01:30:05,678 --> 01:30:08,178 It's tough for me to understand, but I'm a boomer. 1997 01:30:08,978 --> 01:30:09,498 I'm a boomer. 1998 01:30:11,258 --> 01:30:12,178 What are you looking at? 1999 01:30:12,758 --> 01:30:12,958 Huh? 2000 01:30:13,058 --> 01:30:14,498 What are you looking at up there? 2001 01:30:14,958 --> 01:30:15,518 I wasn't looking. 2002 01:30:15,558 --> 01:30:16,998 I was, like, stretching my... 2003 01:30:16,998 --> 01:30:17,538 Oh, okay. 2004 01:30:17,538 --> 01:30:22,338 So we have the YouTube comments from Blancdory said, thank you. 2005 01:30:23,158 --> 01:30:24,638 I guess that was the Prague person. 2006 01:30:24,898 --> 01:30:27,078 And then Vake said, stay in the Czech Republic. 2007 01:30:27,518 --> 01:30:27,978 Is that in Prague? 2008 01:30:28,858 --> 01:30:30,158 Or is Prague in Czech Republic? 2009 01:30:30,418 --> 01:30:30,658 Yeah. 2010 01:30:31,058 --> 01:30:32,238 Prague in Czech Republic. 2011 01:30:32,298 --> 01:30:32,818 That makes sense. 2012 01:30:32,938 --> 01:30:33,778 It used to be Czechoslovakia. 2013 01:30:33,778 --> 01:30:34,718 Great Ruby from Bouton. 2014 01:30:34,818 --> 01:30:35,778 Thank you for the stats, buddy. 2015 01:30:37,378 --> 01:30:37,738 Yeah. 2016 01:30:37,938 --> 01:30:38,798 Let's read the comments. 2017 01:30:38,938 --> 01:30:39,338 Go down here. 2018 01:30:39,458 --> 01:30:39,938 Oh, nothing. 2019 01:30:40,278 --> 01:30:40,958 So, there you go. 2020 01:30:41,438 --> 01:30:41,678 Oh, wait. 2021 01:30:41,758 --> 01:30:42,358 Oh, we got one. 2022 01:30:43,018 --> 01:30:46,518 Curious to hear the take on whether more pools actually reduce centralization or just spread 2023 01:30:46,518 --> 01:30:47,138 the illusion of it. 2024 01:30:47,458 --> 01:30:48,398 He's not curious about anything. 2025 01:30:48,518 --> 01:30:48,898 It's a bot. 2026 01:30:49,278 --> 01:30:49,878 Oh, wow. 2027 01:30:50,598 --> 01:30:52,058 I didn't know the response to Stacker News. 2028 01:30:52,978 --> 01:30:56,838 Oh, I guess the comments I was referring to are on the zine post. 2029 01:30:56,838 --> 01:30:57,798 Oh, on the zine post. 2030 01:30:57,798 --> 01:30:58,438 Okay, gotcha. 2031 01:30:58,658 --> 01:30:59,538 Let me go back here. 2032 01:31:03,978 --> 01:31:04,658 There you go. 2033 01:31:05,378 --> 01:31:06,138 Good stuff. 2034 01:31:07,298 --> 01:31:08,458 Looks like Darth Coit had a question. 2035 01:31:08,478 --> 01:31:08,678 He's there. 2036 01:31:08,918 --> 01:31:09,598 See, he's there. 2037 01:31:11,518 --> 01:31:12,478 He's there. 2038 01:31:14,858 --> 01:31:19,258 The Phantom of the Opera. 2039 01:31:19,678 --> 01:31:20,938 We're going to jump into the top. 2040 01:31:21,058 --> 01:31:23,018 Cowboys, most popular segment in Bitcoin. 2041 01:31:23,218 --> 01:31:23,698 You-dee-hoo. 2042 01:31:24,478 --> 01:31:24,838 Yeah. 2043 01:31:25,458 --> 01:31:26,198 Who-dee-hoo. 2044 01:31:26,198 --> 01:31:26,538 Yeah. 2045 01:31:27,798 --> 01:31:29,578 Top Cowboys, we can see people's guns. 2046 01:31:29,938 --> 01:31:31,618 You guys aren't going to... 2047 01:31:31,618 --> 01:31:35,238 I'm waiting for you guys to release or to fix this segment. 2048 01:31:35,418 --> 01:31:36,158 No, this is great. 2049 01:31:36,238 --> 01:31:36,718 This is fantastic. 2050 01:31:36,738 --> 01:31:37,958 Carl, let's think of a new segment. 2051 01:31:38,078 --> 01:31:40,438 I think every time we do this segment, it gets better and better. 2052 01:31:40,438 --> 01:31:41,878 Let's just put our heads together, though. 2053 01:31:41,958 --> 01:31:42,378 Right now? 2054 01:31:42,758 --> 01:31:43,358 Let's think. 2055 01:31:43,678 --> 01:31:48,058 I guess we could do top comments, but I think that will just inflame even more downzapping. 2056 01:31:48,178 --> 01:31:49,018 But why not? 2057 01:31:49,458 --> 01:31:50,478 Man, we could do that. 2058 01:31:50,918 --> 01:31:52,598 Downzapping still ends up in the rewards. 2059 01:31:52,818 --> 01:31:53,758 It's still good. 2060 01:31:53,877 --> 01:31:55,118 Maybe we should have a downzap category. 2061 01:31:55,138 --> 01:31:56,138 Stimulates the economy. 2062 01:31:56,138 --> 01:31:59,298 Maybe we should have a down zap category up here where all the down zaps. 2063 01:31:59,458 --> 01:32:00,278 That was proposed. 2064 01:32:00,498 --> 01:32:01,278 That was another post. 2065 01:32:01,558 --> 01:32:02,758 One of the top posts. 2066 01:32:03,018 --> 01:32:05,698 That would be hilarious to see just like the empty recycling bin. 2067 01:32:06,658 --> 01:32:08,598 But no, let's look at the top comment right now. 2068 01:32:10,018 --> 01:32:14,138 Top comment was from... 2069 01:32:14,898 --> 01:32:15,278 Oh. 2070 01:32:16,778 --> 01:32:17,698 Solomon Satoshi. 2071 01:32:17,938 --> 01:32:18,318 Boom. 2072 01:32:18,518 --> 01:32:22,418 There are a number of contributors who write a lot about them potentially virtually. 2073 01:32:22,938 --> 01:32:23,258 Okay. 2074 01:32:23,258 --> 01:32:23,377 Okay. 2075 01:32:23,377 --> 01:32:27,798 Okay, right underneath that Cindy Kate. Do you know about this? No, what's going on? 2076 01:32:27,798 --> 01:32:32,398 So check out who Cindy Kate is Cindy Kate. I don't know what's going on here 2077 01:32:34,078 --> 01:32:46,640 They are posting the down zapped posts in the list so that you don miss them I think this is all good man This is all experiment man I think this is good Experiment man 2078 01:32:46,780 --> 01:32:48,320 Just don't mute, Cindy Kate. 2079 01:32:48,500 --> 01:32:50,400 This just reminds me of another 2080 01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:52,160 battle 2081 01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:54,760 in the long history 2082 01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:56,480 of Snacker News. 2083 01:32:56,480 --> 01:32:58,200 It's just like the great battle 2084 01:32:58,200 --> 01:32:59,280 of the down zappers. 2085 01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:01,500 It's one of those things. 2086 01:33:02,300 --> 01:33:04,320 Of course, we should make that history 2087 01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:06,220 lesson. What's that merch comment? 2088 01:33:06,300 --> 01:33:07,040 That's really high. 2089 01:33:07,180 --> 01:33:07,400 Zapped. 2090 01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,140 Like, I remember so many of these over the years. 2091 01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:14,420 Is that about Steemit? 2092 01:33:15,100 --> 01:33:15,400 Yeah. 2093 01:33:16,580 --> 01:33:17,960 But anyway, top comments. 2094 01:33:18,180 --> 01:33:18,600 Pretty good. 2095 01:33:18,700 --> 01:33:19,900 But we're going back to the top cowboys. 2096 01:33:19,980 --> 01:33:20,920 That's what people come here for. 2097 01:33:21,740 --> 01:33:23,340 And it's still the same people every week. 2098 01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:24,920 Coop, Undiscipline, Blockchain Boog. 2099 01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:25,800 Boog? 2100 01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:27,180 Blockchain Boog. 2101 01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:29,400 Gray Ruby, Crypto Sensei. 2102 01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:31,980 And yeah, everybody else. 2103 01:33:31,980 --> 01:33:34,280 Kian, what do you think about the top snacks? 2104 01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:43,540 top cowboys i think they're really getting up getting on up yeah yeah so you're not showing 2105 01:33:43,540 --> 01:33:47,720 the guns here then is what you're saying yeah you have to go to a person's profile to see the gun 2106 01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:53,080 but you still highlight like how many people okay you're on the cowboy page the cowboy is like our 2107 01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:58,740 first badge and we feel it is the most important badge that we have the other ones were fun ways 2108 01:33:58,740 --> 01:33:59,980 to communicate wallet status. 2109 01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:01,420 That was kind of what we were going for. 2110 01:34:01,980 --> 01:34:04,300 Less so like a point of pride, 2111 01:34:05,300 --> 01:34:07,080 which they sort of became. 2112 01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:08,860 But yeah. 2113 01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:09,860 I support it. 2114 01:34:10,020 --> 01:34:11,160 I think this will pass. 2115 01:34:11,300 --> 01:34:12,440 It all passes eventually 2116 01:34:12,440 --> 01:34:15,200 with all the downs happen. 2117 01:34:16,060 --> 01:34:18,160 I think the downs happen will continue. 2118 01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:19,1000 That is the nature. 2119 01:34:20,820 --> 01:34:21,080 Cool. 2120 01:34:21,620 --> 01:34:22,620 That's all I got. 2121 01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:24,120 Key on. 2122 01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:24,820 What do you do this weekend? 2123 01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:26,780 What am I doing? 2124 01:34:26,780 --> 01:34:29,240 I have a release that I've been 2125 01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:31,140 planning a ship with stuff. 2126 01:34:31,780 --> 01:34:33,680 Probably going to, I think I'm going to cut my beard 2127 01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:35,500 and my hair. 2128 01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:37,560 I'm going to be a different person. 2129 01:34:37,580 --> 01:34:38,200 Cut it off? 2130 01:34:39,140 --> 01:34:39,540 Really? 2131 01:34:40,140 --> 01:34:41,080 I'm going to get rid of it, yeah. 2132 01:34:41,500 --> 01:34:42,580 You're going to get rid of it? 2133 01:34:42,580 --> 01:34:44,480 Yeah, with all these advancements in AI, 2134 01:34:45,480 --> 01:34:48,380 I'm realizing that hair is unnecessary. 2135 01:34:48,1000 --> 01:34:49,780 That's interesting. 2136 01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:50,940 But you're a wizard. 2137 01:34:52,420 --> 01:34:54,200 Not with AI anymore. 2138 01:34:54,860 --> 01:34:55,260 I'm not a wizard. 2139 01:34:55,260 --> 01:34:56,580 Dang, AI is the wizard, huh? 2140 01:34:56,780 --> 01:34:57,820 AI is the wizard now. 2141 01:34:58,020 --> 01:34:59,040 I'm just a normal. 2142 01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:00,120 What are you doing this weekend? 2143 01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:01,700 I'll believe it when I see it. 2144 01:35:01,740 --> 01:35:01,920 Me? 2145 01:35:03,300 --> 01:35:04,820 I have to write a short story. 2146 01:35:05,180 --> 01:35:05,660 Oh, really? 2147 01:35:05,780 --> 01:35:05,880 About what? 2148 01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:09,640 And I've got a couple paragraphs going on it, so I'm just going to work on that. 2149 01:35:10,180 --> 01:35:10,780 That should be fun. 2150 01:35:11,220 --> 01:35:13,800 I don't know what it's about, and that's why it's been hard to write. 2151 01:35:15,140 --> 01:35:18,500 It's really hard to write about things you don't know what you're writing about. 2152 01:35:18,500 --> 01:35:22,260 Because I like things that are no plot, just vibes. 2153 01:35:22,980 --> 01:35:25,840 It's hard to do when you're not feeling the vibe. 2154 01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:28,620 Dang 2155 01:35:28,620 --> 01:35:30,220 But I'll get there 2156 01:35:30,220 --> 01:35:31,280 That sounds hard 2157 01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:32,380 Can't wait to read it 2158 01:35:32,380 --> 01:35:34,320 Stackers had yourself a great weekend 2159 01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:35,140 What are you doing car? 2160 01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:36,900 I'm tired 2161 01:35:36,900 --> 01:35:38,680 So tired 2162 01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:41,080 Probably just got more work to do 2163 01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:43,140 Coming up on two hour episode 2164 01:35:43,140 --> 01:35:44,300 Alright 2165 01:35:44,300 --> 01:35:45,800 Ready to go night night 2166 01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:46,600 Let's go 2167 01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:47,040 Okay